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James Franklin fired, Curt Cignetti puts Indiana on top, Top Running Backs, and Week 8 picks
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James Franklin fired, Curt Cignetti puts Indiana on top, Top Running Backs, and Week 8 picks
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Coach, clap. Okay, you're clapping like that. How do you call a timeout? Mark, give me a clap. That's not how you clap. The triple option is brought to you by Wendy's. Wake up with Wendy's two for $3 breakfast. Welcome to the triple option. Mark, has anything happened in college football since we last talked? Oh, nothing much, right?
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Just. Just Bama. Just balling as normal. Nothing much else to talk about.
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Ohio State. Moving on. Nothing else happens, huh? We are.
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What could possibly be on the menu?
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Stoner State. Oh, my goodness. Welcome to the triple option presented by Wendy's Urban Meyer, Mark Ingram ii. Deuce deuce. Rob Stone back here with you. And yes, Penn State moves on from James Franklin. We will lead with that. We'll also ask this question. Has Kurt Signetti built a college football superpower in Bloomington? If you ask him, yeah, you bet he did. We'll have our week. We'll have our Week 8 pick. Sig the Sig. Light up a Sig, baby. Light up a Sig in Bloomington. Thanks for joining us. Remember to rate subscribe at Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever it is you get your podcast can also find us on social media at 3x option show new episodes coming your way every Single Wednesday on YouTube or wherever it is you find your podcast. Don't forget, please leave questions, leave comments for a chance to have them answered in next week's show. And coach Mark, like, I love playing this game with coach, right? Like where he's like our Waldo. Where in the world is coach right now? And all I smell, I smell mahogany and leather. Musky odors coming from wherever you are.
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I read all these books last night through most of them last night.
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Musky odors is crazy.
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Where are you?
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Well, I'm on the veterans Golfers association board and we are hosting our national championship in. In one of the most beautiful place I ever seen. It's Olympia Fields, Mark, in. In south of Chicago, suburbs of Chicago. They've had opens here at PGA championships uf. US amateurs played the course yesterday. When you guys are talking about all the news going on, I don't. I shot a nine here at Olympia Fields, boys. So that's all I care about.
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Sheesh, Coach.
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So. So life is good. And yeah, we're taking care of our veterans.
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This. This is crazy.
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I got Butler coming up, boys. That's your course.
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Game is out of control right now. You need to be reeled in, man.
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By the way, we.
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No, I don't.
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You need to be reeled in, man.
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We did our pre Production call yesterday and about seven to ten minutes inside of it, coach just screams and yells like ah, no. Oh my God. And then it goes silent and I'm, I'm worried about my friend's well being like did, did he, did something.
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Push the ball on it, hit a tree to the right. Had to rally back. A lot going on here in Olympic.
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Yeah. Chicken, steak or fish? All right, time now for any given Saturday. We're going to go in the the flashback machine. Let's just go back just a couple weeks, guys. September 27th, whiteout, Happy Valley. Then number three, Penn State, home overtime, lead on Oregon and then they fall in double ot. Had they won that game, a lot of people would have said, you know what? Penn State is the number one ranked team in the nation. Fast forward 15 days after losses at UCLA, a winless UCLA at the time and home to Northwestern by the way, both of those games Penn State was at least a 20 point favorite favorite and head coach James Franklin was fired in the midst of this three game skid. Franklin member took over the Nittany Lions. Cleaned them up from the whole Joe Paterno issues that were taking place last year. Remember, have them in the College Football playoff semifinals. Over the course of his 12 seasons, 104 wins, 45 losses, one Big Ten championship. Big, big buyout, big number, big, big coach, right? Big, big like in the $49 million range. A lot to digest including where does Penn State go from here? Why did they do it? But let's begin with your initial reaction, Coach. When you found out James Franklin was fired at Penn State.
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Yeah, I was shocked. We all like the athletic director, Pat Kraft. He's fantastic. He's a football guy, he treats us great. Everybody's got great things to say about him. Obviously he, he made a decision and, and I know a, a lot of alums, obviously and I was very close to coach the late coach Paterno. And, and so the, the word on the. What I've heard from several sources is that this was a one man's call athletic director, which it really should be. The board was really not aware is what I was told. And this is when you start adding this up, Mark, this is not a 40, some million dollar transaction. This is the number will push 75 million dollars. And when you start, Jim Knowles is the highest paid defense I think assistant coach in college football history. He's got a multi year contract cold. Nikki is also extremely highly paid, very high paid staff, which it should be. It's Penn State. Those guys are all gone. And you have to pay them off. And then you have a. These staffs, when I, you know, years ago were very small, now they're very big. And the way it happens, Rob, and we all know this is, it's a complete flush normally and they bring in their own people and. And then when you pay a buyout of the coach, if you're going to hire an established coach, pay that salary, you're talking, and this is what someone told me in the Penn State team is that this could be a $75 million transaction. My comment to one of the persons was where does that money come from? And I made the comment earlier and Mark pushed back on it. I agree. I did. I didn't think people would do it. I just fiscally I don't. This is what I've heard is where will the money come from? And the one person said, I have no idea. It's not. There's not, it's not there. But obviously Pat Craft knows what he's doing and you know, Penn State's probably got a heck of a reservoir of money somewhere. I don't know where it is, but so reality is, I was shocked. I've always tend the side on the side of the coach. I think this was an overreaction. And Mark, there's plenty of storylines out there where people think the grass is always greener.
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Yeah.
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And when he fires them. But so my question was, what was my reaction? I think it's an overreaction. I was shocked.
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Mark, how about you, man?
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First of all, I think that we need to give coach Franklin his flowers. He took over a Penn State program when nobody wanted to go there. Right. It was crazy scandals. It was a bad position. It wasn't a great job to be in. He took over that job and he did a fantastic job of being a coach, a leader of men. I know many guys who have played for him personally who are stand up character guys who are great in at the next level and have nothing but great things to say about him and what he meant to them in their life and their development not only as players but as also men. And so I think he was just a great character guy, a great man. I think he brought some prominence back to Penn State. I thought he won a lot of big games at Penn State. They were brand newly a 10 win team. But at the end of the day performances, poor performances in big games versus top opponents, I think that was ultimately his demise here at Penn State. And when you have Penn State, when you have the resources at Penn State, and the expectations of Penn State and you go 4 and 21 against top 10 teams, that kind of was brewing. You could feel that brewing in Penn State in, in Happy Valley. And so I kind of was surprised that it happened right now. I thought that he probably deserved some grace enough to be able to finish the season, maybe bounce back, especially with the team that everyone came back for him, you know what I mean? All these players that came back for him. I thought that it would happen maybe after the season. But when you lose to Oregon, then you lose to Northwestern and you lose to ucla, sometimes you just got to pull the plug sooner than later. And I think that's what they did at Penn State, man. And I think just, they kind of hit a ceiling. They hit a ceiling, man, of where their program was going to be. And they just kind of got, you know, it's a results, it's a results driven business owner. You got to be able to win games. Gotta be able to win the games that matter. And unfortunately, Coach Franklin at Penn State haven't been able to do that over their period at Penn State.
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So that, that Oregon loss, you know, they might as well just instead of one in the loss column, that was a three. Like that was a three finished them.
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That finished them.
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Yeah, they just never recovered, you know, going out to UCLA and just collapsing against a much better UCLA team than, than they had been in the earlier weeks. It was funny, I was thinking about this. I was like, man, it's just a three game losing skit. I was like, I should talk to coach. You know, you're like, all right, you know what, what did you do when you were in a three game losing skin? I'm like, you know what? I don't think Coach ever had a three game losing skid. Maybe at Bowling Green. Maybe at Bowling Green. And I'm like, I'm not sure coach can fully understand what he's going through over the stretch of, of those 15 days. Maybe over the course of six or five days. Right, coach? But three game losing streak and you know, losing at home, I think it was homecoming weekend too with Northwestern as well, was just this, this dagger. They lose Drew Aller as well to the rest, rest of the season. His college career is done. All those guys coming back, the expectations. And again we talked about this in the preseason, Coach, the expectations for Penn State were legit because what Michigan had done two years ago and what Ohio State did last year, returning veterans, right? Guys coming back to say, we want to win that Natty, we want that ring and that that storybook was playing out for Penn State. And then the wall of what Dan Lanning in Oregon did to them in Happy Valley and they never, never recovered. Well, stunning.
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We. We discussed this on Big Noon, I believe. And. And I, I made the comment, you know, the two teams right now that are. Are not performing with what their talent level says they should perform at are Texas and Penn State. And instead of just piling on and saying this, the facts. This is it here. Here's why though. Because we've all. Every coach has dealt with a team that underperforms and there's two reasons Mark and Penn State was exposed. I think their locker room. I don't. I'm not in the locker room obviously, but I've coached long enough to know there's two reasons. When the head coaches. Obviously he's going to pay the ultimate price. But there's two reasons. When you lift up the hood and you take a look. Number one, you have an issue in the locker room there. There's. They're soft or there's something going on in that locker room. I'm not saying this is the. It's one of two though. There's. By process of elimination. This is that you. Because you can't say talent. Mark can't say that. Yep. You can't start blaming players and saying recruiting. That's nonsense. There's. We learn that with ucla. When I hear people. I get so pissed off when I hear that bad players. Bad. No, they're not. They're not bad now. They're not playing well. Why Put your thinking caps on. Why? Number one, there's a locker room issue. There's something going on. Maybe it's nil. Maybe many two guys are getting paid. This. That again, I don't know what it is but I promise you that that's. That could be one of them. The second one, you have a staff issue. You have some. Two, I would say two to three people on the staff that are. Are cancerous or underperforming or. And once again, I do not know. But I want everybody to think about because there's no other reason. I've done this forever. Rob and Mark that Give me another reason. That's not the reason. You know, what's. The shoes, the shirts, the. The crowd, the. Too much pressure on. Let's stop. Stop all that. There's two reasons. One's locker room or one staff. That's it. And obviously only one person. I'm sure we'll hear stories from inside the Penn State organization, but it's one of those two. Yeah.
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Yeah.
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We're going to talk about who's next potentially in Happy Valley. But first, let's talk about the legacy of James Franklin. I want to go back. We talked on it very, very briefly, but he didn't take over right at the end of the Paterno Sandusky issue. Remember, Tom Bradley filled in for four games, and then Bill O' Brien was there for two seasons, but just a 64% winning percentage, and he skipped town. So all of a sudden, this program that had been so stable under Joe Pa for, you know, generations is. Is very much in flux. And they pulled James Franklin up from Vanderbilt. He was dealing with sanctions and postseason bans. But. But he brought them back. You know, like, let's not forget how. How low Penn State was and to the high that they were coming into the season as a true legit national title contender.
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Let's. Let's talk about that for one quick second. I was there. I got hired the same time that Bill o' Brien was hired. And think about this. Ohio State played at Penn State. I was taking over a program that lost nine scholarships, and we were a bold band. Penn State had a similar issue, and we played him in Happy Valley at the Whiteout, and we beat him in a really close game. And I remember even talking to Bill of Coach o' Brien about this after the game. Not one player on either field had anything to do with anything. Yet those players were suspended. Think about those Penn State kids. Had nothing to do with all that awful situation. Same thing with Ohio State. Not one player on that field had anything to do with that nonsense. And they played their hearts off. So Bill o' Brien actually stabilized it. He did good, and then he went to the NFL and that's when they brought Coach Franklin. I just want to make sure I knew that. So two years under Bill o'. Brien.
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Okay, so here's the. Here's the James Franklin issue. It's the numbers, right? This is what everybody sees. This is what Pat Kraft essentially talked about, like, unable to get over that hump. 17 and 26 versus top 25 teams. The big one, though, is getting over that final hurdle. 4 and 21 versus the top 10. I. I think the administration and the fan base had had enough, and it was. This is the year that it changes or we're done because it can't change.
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The love of consistency wasn't enough. The love of consistency was not enough. Got to be able to win games, especially at Penn State. You know, they had these expectations and the ceiling kind of was hit stoner.
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You can't really get something. I want to hit something. I think it's, it's a good time to hit it right now. So when this happens, Mark and I've been through it on, on, on the other end. So when you fire a guy at Virginia Tech, Arkansas, UCLA to a degree, they hire a search firm. The search firm goes out and behind the scenes talks to the some candidates. They. Then the search firm puts together a list, Mark and Rob and they give it back to the athletic director slash president, search committee, whatever it is. And the reason they do that is because those kind of schools, you have to go out and search who's interested because Those aren't top 10 top 5 jobs. Penn State's a whole different animal. And in that way the head coach at the other school can say he hasn't really spoken to anyone and the AD can say I've never talked to that coach because he hasn't. It's all through third party stuff. They get the list together and then they go start recruiting or whatever. When that coach is done at Penn State, I think it's a whole different animal. Man. When you fire a coach that's went. His record was. Where is it? 104 and 45 was in the Rose Bowl, Peach bowl and score away from playing for a national championship. James Franklin and 16 days ago was in a. Could be possible number one team in the country. I think it's a, I don't think you make that move with a $75 million expense coming unless you know who you're going to hire.
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We'll get to those hiring concepts in a second. I, I want to throw one more thing out here with, with James Franklin. Are you guys familiar with the Peter Principle? No. Okay. This is, this is in business, but it's, it's clearly in life as well. The concept is that people are promoted based on their performance in their current role. Right, Right. Makes total sense. Right. You go from Vanderbilt to Penn State. Right. But they're promoted because of what they do currently rather than their ability to, for to perform in their intended role, their next role, which often leads to a rise to their level of incompetence. Really hard word, but. But they're using incompetence. Essentially they max out. Essentially. This is as good as it's going to get. They can't get you over that next bump. The Peter Principle. I, I lived it in the sense of when I was a young buck reporter. I think I mention back in the early 2000s. Tampa Bay Buccaneers, one of the all time great human beings. Tony Dungy absolutely transformed that team, but could not get them past that wild card round. What do they do? They fire Tony, bring in Jon Gruden. Won the super bowl the next season, right? So I think James Franklin hit that Peter principle, at least at Penn State where it was. Bang, it was there.
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Hit your ceiling.
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Yeah, hit your ceiling. And you can't get to that next thing. So the Peter principle played a big part of it. And guess what? It. It plays a big part in a lot of people. And this gets to our next conversation. Who's next? Also, let's be careful because maybe that grass was a whole lot greener than you thought about. Think about some of the great coaches, guys who've been in college football in our lifetime. And I'm not going back to like when, you know, Urban was just born. I'm talking about guys who are contemporaries, what they did at universities and then what has happened since. Okay, let me throw out a couple names for you. Dan Mullen, coach. You know this one? Well, a couple of years in Florida, right? 34 and 15. Two double digit win years. His last year he went five and six. Right. That was. That was the downfall since he was fired. Florida 6 and 7, 5 and 7, 8 and 5, 2 and 4. Wow. Okay. Grass greener. Is the grass greener in Gainesville right now? I would say no. This was the first one that came up to us. Bo Pelini at Nebraska. Hey, Cornhusker fans, you had it really good. Oh, eight to 14, 67 wins, 27 losses, seven straight nine plus win seasons. Three Big 12 North Division champions, one Big 10 Legends championship. Bo Pelini had Nebraska going, but again, he didn't have it going to the level that a certain percentage of Nebraska folks wanted. Paul Crist at Wisconsin as we stay in the Big Ten right now. Five, nine plus win seasons, three Big Ten west titles. I understand that there's the Big Ten west and there was the Big Ten East. Right? Two totally different conferences, if you will. Right, but still Paul Crist, 67 wins, 26 losses. Wisconsin since he was fired. Seven and six, five and seven and two and four right now under Luke Fickle. Do you want one more from the SEC? I'll give Gus. Mel's on.
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Yes, sir.
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The Barners 2013 through 2020, 68 wins, three nine plus one seasons, one SEC title, two SEC west titles. Sense. And we know Auburn loves to fire and hire. They love that game. They've got to find some stability. There's Gus Malzahn, the Barners. You're loving these numbers, Mark. Six, seven, seven. Keep talking, Stone. Six and seven. Give me another one, Stone.
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We love it.
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Five and seven.
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We love it.
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Three.
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Yes.
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Boo. Barn.
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Be careful what you wish for.
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Keep struggling. We don't never want the grass green.
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Careful what you wish for.
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We never want the grass green at auburn. More brown. More brown, please.
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Light it.
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Negative.
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Name on the market is Kirsten Eddy.
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Go ahead, coach.
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Let's do this quickly. So where in people's opinion is Penn State in the hierarchy of jobs? I have a very strong opinion, but I'm going to maybe right now. Mark, real quick.
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Right now, where should I be 10? Put it in terms of the Big Ten, where?
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National or Big Ten?
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Let's go Big Ten first.
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Big Ten I think is like the fourth or fifth best job.
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I agree. Ohio State, should it be high? Oregon, should it be high? Usc. Ish.
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Should it be a solid third or second?
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No, it should be on past history.
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Coach, you have Ohio State, Michigan, Oregon, South Carolina. That's four right there.
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Yeah.
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The question is, is it a better job than the Wolverines? Look at the records over the last 25 years. You know, the. They're bear pop. There might be an argument. I don't, I don't know that that's something I think every fan's got to ask themselves.
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I think they have the resources, I think they have everything you want. I think the location is a challenge for people.
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I agree. Yep.
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So.
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And then USC is it is USC bumped? You know, in my mind, USC is the top three job in America. So I would say yes. Now they, they. That's why I said a couple decade drought out there.
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So that's why I said Penn State is fourth or fifth. It just depends on, you know, in the Big Ten at least.
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So nationally that would probably put them just inside the top 10 maybe, right, Mark? Yeah. Yes.
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But available jobs, it is top right now. Available jobs, it is top right now.
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How about you, Rob?
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Yeah, I think it's top five ish in the big ten and low end. Top ten maybe top 15 probably nationally, which is hard to say because of what Penn State represents. You know, you say Penn State, you think football, you, you think we are Penn State. And that location thing is so funky. Is it? Because that is tough. And also the Northeast is just not football territory compared to what the Midwest is and, and what the south is.
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This, this is really important. So Ohio State, Wolverine. The four northern schools that are expected to compete for titles are Notre Dame, Ohio State, the Wolverines and Penn State. And, and I was a part of it. When I was in my career. The population shift in high school football changed drastically when the steel belts cl. You know, this is a long time ago, but this is really relative. When the population shift went down south, you saw the, for example, Northeast Ohio, Western PA used to be 25 to 30. Notre Dame, Penn State, Ohio State, Wolverine style players that, that quality. There's so many good players there. There's still great players, Mark, but now there's about six.
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Yeah.
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So the. And same with Chicago, same with New Jersey, same with. It's just, it's a fact. Reality is when Ohio State made decision in 2012, our staff got there. We moved from the blueprint to the best players in the country. That means we went down south. We, we would take the best players out of Georgia, Texas, wherever they were. There was a time where a house state recruited and Penn state, of the 25 signees, there'd be 20 from your home state. Yep, that's gone. So is reality. Penn State used to Be maybe a top five job. Now it's more of a top 15 job.
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And every coach remember how many, remember how many dudes came from Pittsburgh, right? Like that whole Pittsburgh area would just throw dudes out there. Jersey sneaky strong at college football. But now you're right, it's, it's subsided. We talk about location. It's not easy to get to State College. Once you're there.
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Once you're there, that's conservatively speaking there.
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You get it. You understand? You get inside that stadium. Like I get it.
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Yes. This is special place.
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I get it. It's a special place.
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Different.
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It is special. And there are people who are going to want to that job, right? This, this is the best available job out there right now. And it's one of the best available jobs, period. So who, who. We're going to throw some names out, but to me, the top of the list, it's, it's a no brainer. It's Matt Rule. The ties are just so strong that he has with the current athletic director Pat Kraft at Penn State. Former player together at Temple.
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Very late there, right?
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Yeah, he walked on there.
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Matt, Matt Rule played at Penn State, right. So it's always nice when you, when you get somebody already knows the DNA and his name was immediately going to come up regardless. Not only that, like coach, you say these are friends. These aren't friends. These are family friends. As in the family's vacation together. Right. They, they, they both have beach houses. Him and they hear each other in Jersey. Yeah, but, but by the way, like, I don't want that to be the overriding thing because people find good people and they want to hang. Right?
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Because when you're on the line, but don't want to go on the line.
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With somebody you like, don't mix business and pleasure, right? So, so it worked at Temple. Temple's one thing. Penn State's a whole another animal when.
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Your ass is on the line.
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So you want your ass to be.
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On the line with somebody that you love.
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Now that part I agree. Yeah, that you agree with and you want to fight with and you're on the same page with. So I think Matt rules number one, right. And I think number two is also in the Big ten. Fire up a Sig.
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Sig is the hottest name on the market right now for sure.
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He deserves to be. He deserves to be.
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Now does he ever want to leave Indiana? Indiana's probably going to give him everything in his po, in their power. They're going to bend over backwards, do somersaults full blown splits to do whatever they need to do to keep sick because he is out there in Indiana doing the thing.
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I think what, what Signetti's done and I'm going to say that on big Noon this week is it's, it's the Bill Snyderish. It's one of the greatest coaching turnarounds I've ever seen in my lifetime. They, they, I watched the tape closely. What they did to Oregon. They beat Oregon and Oregon played. I mean it was a, it was a war. That's physical, fast, hard. That is as well coached team that exists in the United States of America right now is what Signetti and his staff has done. Go back to Matt Rule. So you know, I know there's numbers out there about his record against top 25. Rob, you know if that was the problem at Penn State.
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Correct.
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And I know it might be Nebraska, Temple and Baylor, but it's, you have to read these numbers off.
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Yeah. Matt Rule. 2 and 23. Two wins, 23 losses versus top 25 teams. Okay. Those two wins, they were at Temple over East Carolina and Navy. At Baylor. And again he did an awesome job turning Baylor around. Oh, and 11 versus top 25 at Nebraska. Still looking for his first ranked win. That's a problem. That's why you just fired Jamie Franklin.
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That's.
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Those numbers are fireable.
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75 million $.
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Now listen, now listen. Penn State is not Temple. Penn State is not Baylor. No disrespect to those two programs. Penn State is Penn State and they will have better resources than they had at Temple and that than they had at Waco. But you've got to find a way to get. Give it to me. He's 17 Nebraska.
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You ever heard of somebody named Nathaniel Nothing. Nathan. He's Nathan versus ranked teams. Nathan.
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That's a 13 in the last two jobs.
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That is a huge concern.
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Yeah, well that's why you fired your, your main coach. So you can't just hire somebody that's doing that.
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Mark. Like let's do the blind resume. Right? And a resume shows up and it says you're Owen. 18 versus ranked teams. Thank you. I'll just put that, I'll put that resume over here on this pile.
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Right.
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Because the problem is we're not beating the top teams that are ranked. So give me a coach that could do this.
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You know who's doing it? Coach Signetti's doing it. The Sam Coach Signetti's banging out rank wins. Now again, you know age is going to play part of this conversation as well, right, Coach Signetti. Not that he's getting up there, but he's certainly older than a Matt Rule or a Matt Campbell. So how much longer could you have him if you were able to steal him away from Indiana? By the way, do you know Manny.
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Diaz have times ties to Penn State, too?
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Manny Diaz was a defensive coordinator now doing great stuff at Duke. Manny Diaz's name has been out there. Do you know where Pat Kraft earned his bachelor's degree, his master's degree, and his doctoral degree?
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Enlighten me.
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Indiana. Wow.
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You'Re throwing some. You're throwing some shots across the bow right here.
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I love Pat Craft. Like. Like, literally one of my. My favorite.
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I'm opening up everything I got to get to Sig. I ain't gonna lie to you. You get the hurdle team in the Big Ten.
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Where's it coming from?
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Is Penn State a better job than Indiana? I can't believe I just said that. But wait a second.
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Yes.
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Is Penn State a better. I believe in my heart of hearts it is. But what Coach Sig has built there in Bloomington. Remember we had him on Big Noon Kickoff last year, guys, he was live. He had just signed a contract extension halfway through year one, and he said, why would I want to go anywhere? We're the next superpower in college football. If he truly believes that, which I think he does, and he's got it going, which he does. Indiana up four spots to number three this week.
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Number three.
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Number three, the highest in program history. Pause one more time, Rob. Third rank Indiana. The best they've ever been in program history. And what did they do last week? They didn't complain about going out to the west coast and hanging out in the rain. They beat. They beat Oregon soundly, Coach.
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You watch physically. Physically, a lot of scrimmage, offense and defense. And Oregon is good offense.
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But listen, though, make the case. Indiana is a better job than Penn State the way it is right now. Why would have Valley to do it all over again?
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It's not because of resources. It's not because of the school. It's because of one man. And the one man's name is Kurt Signetti. And he's proved that he could bring his program from James Madison to Indiana. And if he wants to, he can bring his program from Indiana to Penn State. He can do it. He will bring.
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I'm just looking at these names. I'm looking at these names, man. You really tell me. And that's where, I mean, you just fiscally start. Okay, you just made the change. 75 mil. I know you're talking about Coach Franklin's buyout.
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It's like dead money, Coach.
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And here. Here's our choices, and they're all fine coaches. Six. Six. The one that you like, that. That takes you back. What he's done is historic.
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Yeah.
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What the other coaches have done. I won't say historic. I mean, they're. They're very good coaches, Matt. Very good coaches.
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Great job at Iowa State.
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Name to get is sig.
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How about Dan Mullen?
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Dan Mullen is undefeated at UNLV this season, folks.
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Damn right he is.
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He's got a hell of an offensive coordinator.
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Yeah. Scored 51 last week. Yeah.
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Put some respect by Dan Mullen and unlv.
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And, you know, he's from the Northeast, by the way.
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And Kurt Signetti is from the Pittsburgh area. He's a yinzer. Right. So there's just so many.
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Go back to this. I can't imagine you make that decision without saying, I know who I'm getting.
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He has to know, hey, Mark, I really. Hey, coach. 75 million. You know who you getting, and you know where you're getting the money from. I'm gonna tell you that right now.
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You have to. Right, Mark?
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Yes.
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You have to.
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You know who you're getting.
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You got a good idea, man.
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Super smart.
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We love the guy.
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You know who you getting or who you. Is number one on your list. And you know where that money coming from, Coach, I know that you know that. You know, you. Where's the money coming from? The man knows where it's coming from, I promise you.
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And again, he. Pat Kraft said this was an athletic decision. Right. This was not a university decision. We're not going to pull money out of, you know, out of some other department or steal it from, you know, arts funding or whatever it is. This was. This is on the athletic department to figure it out and get it right. And, Coach, you talk about that number. We say 49 for Franklin, you think it grows to essentially the 70s, right?
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And then you got to pay your.
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Next head, then you got to pay the new staff. And then guess what? If you're going to go after a SIG or a rule, you're going to have to pay those places to swipe them.
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Yep. Big, big numbers.
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Big, big. Hey, when you one of them top 15 programs in the nation, you know where that money.
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I guess I've had too many conversations with administrators here in the last few months that they look at me like, I got three heads, like, we don't have the money.
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Yeah, but guess what?
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We don't have the money.
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Guess what? They're still firing.
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They're still firing.
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They're still firing and they still gotta hire.
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They still firing and they still hiring. And guess what that costs money. Guess what that cost, coach. Money, money, money. And so they gonna know where that money coming from. They. They want to play cry poor wolf. I ain't got no paper. I ain't got this. I ain't got that. They about to pay that money.
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They're turning over sofa cushions right now at the Lambda Kai House. Whatever it is, give us some loose change. We're going to figure it out. Let's make Penn State better. And Penn State fans, hey, man, let us know. Who do you want as your next head coach? What do you think about the firing of James Franklin? Throw some comments in the section. We'd love to hear them and love to respond to them as well. Coming up next on the triple option presented by Wendy's, we talk about the new powerhouse in the Big Ten. Light up that Sig and Mark with his Deuce Deuce Dog of the week. Coming up next on the triple option. Support for the triple option comes from Google. Every August we talk about new rule changes coming to college football. But now that we're in the middle of the season here, it's hard to follow the real impact those rules are having on the games.
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To the triple option presented by Wendy's Urban. Mark Robb, back here with you. There were some season altering results last weekend. USC at home dominated Michigan. Texas got a much needed win at the Red river rivalry, taking care of previously unbeaten Oklahoma. Alabama goes on the road, hands Mizzou their first loss. So what player from one of those games will be our Deuce? Deuce? Dog of the week.
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Mark, does it have to be a player?
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It could. It's your award.
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It's my award and I'm choosing. I'm choosing the.
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Are you gonna take a long drag?
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The Sigmaster Colonel Signetti is the cause. You know what it takes to go on the road to Austin Stadium? It takes you to be a. A dog. Insignetti had them boys ready to be dogs. They went in Austin stadium, they held it down. They won the pass game battle, they run the run game battle. They won the turnover battle and they just dominated in the line of scrimmage. They was tough and they was ready to play. And why? Because of Kurt Signetti. They are a well coached football team. They physical on both ends of the line of scrimmage. And Fernando Mendoza bald as well.
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Mendoza, Mendoza. Heisman leading candidate right now. Yes, right. I mean like if the Heisman votes.
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Came in today, Fernando Mendoza probably going to win it. And you know why? Because of the one man that's got the plan and his name is Kurt Sig.
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Natty, I want you to like blow those, the, the, the smoke circles, right though. I'm not a smoker, so I have no idea. I never did that. All right, we're going to talk more about signeting a segment first. That was the fresh take of the week presented by Wendy's. Wake up with Wendy's. Breakfast time now though to sound off Indiana. Man, they are inside the top five courtesy of that win at Oregon. They are unbeaten and coach Signetti was classic Coach Signetti in the post game interview. The adversity, the physicality of this team. Do you think a win like this should silence all the doubters and all the haters out there?
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There?
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I don't really care about that.
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I mean, you're going to have you know people that are supporting cookies over.
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Brownies all the time, right?
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It's part of the business, cookies versus brownies. I listened to that one live at Dallas Fort Worth Airport and I just, I started chuckling to myself. I'm like, that is such a great line. The doubters and the haters. Listen, who's hating Indiana, right? Like, show me. Raise a hand if you're hating Indiana football. What have they ever done to you over the course of X decades?
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I don't think anybody hates you on your home field.
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Well, but even then, I don't think Oregon hates Indiana. Now, doubting Indiana, doubting Indiana is a different story. Let me tell you, coach, doubt this Indiana team, doubt this coaching staff, doubt this talent at your own peril.
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When I first got hired at Bowling Green 01, the first call I made, I took over, really a program that had eight straight losing seasons. I think 1 in 10, 2 and 9. And the first guy I called was a guy named Bill Snyder. He did the miraculous turnaround at Kansas State and made them a perennial top 15 job, which at that point was, I think, the best job in my. In my history of the game, which was about 40 years. Taking a program like that, I would actually. Now it's only two years in. Bill Snyder did it for a length of time. But what Kurt Signetti's done is greater than what Bill Snyder did early in his career at Kansas State. I'm willing to say this is one of the great turnarounds in the game of football I coached against Indiana. They had some very good coaches, Tom Allen, Kevin Wilson, very good coaches there. They had some good players. They had some first round draft picks.
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Antoine Randall, l. The tailbacks, they had.
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I mean, we played them. They were street fights, but never get it going. And I'll be honest, I never quite understood that because Bloomington's nice place is kind of centrally located. You can get some big cities from there. But what he's done, but it was also an awful game environment. When we go play there, there'd be mostly Ohio State Buckeyes there. And it was. I was worried about our players because there was no juice, no energy in the stadium when he took the job. And he said, ohio State sucks, Purdue sucks and all. And I've known Coach Signetti not that well, but I'm telling you guys, when you watch the film, and I'm not talking about as a fan, when you dig in and say, okay, I'm going to watch this film, Mark, this is a team and I'm going To say it right now, can't compete for a national championship at the University of Indiana. In two years that he's been there with a new quarterback, with still some transfers. The receiver, I believe his name is Surat, number 13 came with. He is the real freaking deal. Their defensive line might be the best in the Big Ten, which means it's one of the best in the country. Indiana.
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Yes.
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So there's very good players. But I'm going to say this again. Him and his coaching staff do as fine a coaching job as I've seen in my career with development and calling a game. They went out to Oregon. This blows your mind. And Austin Stadium. You know the first play of the game they ran, they ran a 24 yard, 25 yard outcut to the field in that noise and completed it.
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Set the tone and shut that down.
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Your plays I would call on first down at Austin Stadium. That's not one of them. Yeah, that tells you that the confidence they have in their players, how well coached they are. And then they, they lined up on the, on the goal line mark and they ran a gap scheme. I hope I get to show it on Big Noon. And this is Oregon.
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Yes.
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One of the top defense. They moved them. You gotta get the big ass linemer for Indiana. And they look like Ohio State or Wolverines the way they were playing. So I'm telling. I can't. I watched that tape twice and every play I watch it over going, holy shit.
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So why leave, why would he leave this? Why would he leave this?
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Because it's going to go in. Is it sustainable?
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Because it'll go with him.
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But he's got it going in Bloomington. Why do you need to take it on the road?
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You don't have to.
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But I'm not saying because he's 64, I'm going to throw this, I'm going to turn over to Mark. He's 64. Go five more years, build a statue of Indiana forever. Have your office in the corner stadium and go enjoy your grandkids.
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But the thing is, if he wants to, he can prove that he could just jam you. Indiana. Indiana, wherever. Because your players followed you from jmu. Clearly you know how to evaluate talent. Clearly you know how to develop talent. And clearly you're a hell of a head coach. So now while I do think he's going to stay up at Indiana because they are giving him everything he needs.
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To be successful, I got one more comment.
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But he can, he can, he can, he can move this thing if he wants, if he wants. He can move this thing.
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Sorry to interrupt, Mark, but I got one more comment about that. So when I was at Utah and Utah might not be Indiana, it certainly was. It was Mount West Conference and I was so happy there. We just won 24 of 20. We won 24, 26 games. I think 22 and two or something. And I started getting these job offers and I said to myself that I am not leaving this job unless the next job I can take, I can lift that crystal ball. That's the only chance. So I said, no, no, no, no, no. Then all of a sudden I got this one phone call. I was like, oh, you can lift a crystal ball there. Then I got another one. It was a. It was Florida and Notre Dame. The contract showed up and they're sitting on the coffee table in my house going, you know, can you win the national championship at those two places? So Signetti, in his mind, 64 years old, does he want to go down as a legend at Indiana? And potentially now you're talking about team. Maybe want to think about that winning national championship.
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To your point, can Indiana win the crystal ball? Can Indiana win the national title this year?
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Common sense would say no. This, I mean, as a coach, what.
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Those colors are, what this logo is, what Indiana.
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Absolutely, yes, they can. When you watch them play. Absolutely, yes, they have good enough players and they, they're as well coached team as United States of America. How about that? Indiana Sig. We gotta get there. Big news. Gotta get there soon.
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Sigafect a couple weeks.
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My dog.
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Coach of the year. Is this a no brainer? He's the coach of the year.
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D u n done.
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If you're the Indiana administration, do you nestle up to him right now and say, hey, I know we just did an extension and we gave your coaches more money last year. Let's do it again.
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Yeah. Can we, can we make sure that you really happy?
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Like, are you happy? Because we want you to be happy happy?
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Yeah.
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Can we make you happier?
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Is there anything that we can talk. Is that the funniest?
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It's the best talk.
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I mean, it's his sound bites and.
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It'S perfectly arrogant with kind of like rolls. But also, you're in on the joke, right, coach? Yeah, right. The things. And by the way, Coach. And then to Mark, brownies or cookies? Who wins?
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I don't know what that means.
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You mean you like cookies or do you like brownies?
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You like cookies or you like brownies? He. He asked the question.
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A snicker doodle sugar cookies. Snicker doodles yeah, it's hard for me to.
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I learned how to make snicker doodles in home.
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Gotta be the right brownies though, because every. Every brownie ain't great.
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We gotta get to Bloomington, boys.
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When you get the right brownie, Stoner.
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Yeah, I ran. I ran into some rogue brownies in college.
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Yes, sir. Them spike brownies.
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She hates my Saturday night.
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Pepper. No, it wasn't.
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What happened? Man, am I hungry today.
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Coach lost, you know.
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You don't know about them things.
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I know about them.
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You know about them things. Them things to get you righteous cookies or brownies, baby.
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Great question.
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In that case, I like me some brownies.
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Yeah, I know. Congratulations, Indiana. Can they keep it going? Coming up, we're going to go three and out when the triple option presented by Wendy's return. Welcome back to the triple option presented by Wendy's. Rob urban. Mark here with you. Time now for three and out brought to you by Google. Let's take a look at what fans are searching for this week. And remember, no matter what question comes next, you can just ask Google. This week we saw a 510% spike in searches around best running back in college football.
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Wow.
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So we're going to take a crack with our top three. A 510% spike in 510%. Who went off.
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Who went off to. Had everybody googling that.
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Oh, my gosh. A couple dudes went off.
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Boy out there at Texas Tech, he did go off.
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He did. Let's. Let's hear your best three running backs right now.
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My best three running backs, man. In no particular order, but I'm going to start with a guy that sounds like an R B singer. His name is Jeremiah love. Oh, yeah, my love, man. 530 yards, 5.3 yards an attempt, eight touchdowns. Add another 160 yards and another three touchdowns in the air. Just a complete back. Notre Dame wants to be great. Keep giving this man the ball. You like that, huh, stoner?
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Jeremiah love. I do. Because all I can think of now is like will ferrell as anchorman and bringing Christina applegate back to his crib with all the velour and the leather. He's like, let me just put on a little Jeremiah love in the background.
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Jeremiah love is one of them guys for sure. It hurts you running the ball could hurt you coming out the backfield catching the ball. He's just a playmaker. Get the ball in his hands and watch him make plays. And he's a beast. He's been doing it. He ain't new to it he true to it. Also a little honorable mention. Jadarian Price, he's also in the Notre Dame backfield. Another really good back, but that's just an honorable mention. But yeah, number two, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna mention Justice Haynes, the Alabama running back who transferred to Michigan. So Wolverines go ahead and thank the Crimson Tide. There's a lots of people who could thank the Crimson Ty for players and the Wolverines could thank us for Justice Haynes because he has been electric all season long. Big run.
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Hope he's okay, man.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, man. Yeah. Hopefully the health. He's healthy and hopefully he gets healthy quickly. But man, all purpose yards. 3, 736 yards. Averaging almost eight yards of carry, eight touchdowns. He has been explosive for Michigan in that Russian attack. This offense wouldn't nearly be as efficient and explosive as they are without Justice Haynes. So Michigan thank you for. You could thank Alabama for Justice Haynes because he's a baller. Then last but not least for sure. I gotta go. Ahmad Hardy at Missouri. This guy is a brute. He. He's just a tackle breaker. Most yards after contact in college football. Most broken tackles in college football. Nearly seven yards of carry, nine rushing touchdowns. And he is just a beast man from Missouri. Man, he is a. A treat to watch, man. You can see his vision. You can see his pad level. You can see his leverage, breaking tackles, yards after contact. Man, he is a true R beast. And so just, you know, right now, those are three guys that I, I think everyone should keep their eye on.
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All right.
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Three now continues with you, coach. Best three running backs right now.
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Yeah. I have actually had to consult with our beast master and that's my man, Mark Ingram. So I appreciate I, I have it in order. Jeremiah Love. Every time I watch his cat, he's a, he's. If I'm an NFL gm, I'm taking this guy. He can do it all. He's high character guy. He's great on the backfield, great size, he's a power guy, but also has the speed to run away from you. I, I started watching Ahmad Hardy a few weeks ago because Mark kept talking about him. I've become a big fan of his. So I have Ahmad Hardy number two and then I'm going to Cameron Dickey. My guy went off. I'm a big Texas Tech fan now because we, we saw them up close and impersonal. Rob, that is a college football playoff team and they have an NFL running back in Cameron Dickey. He had 263 against Kansas last week. So in order gracious Love, Hardy and Dickey and. But there's a slew of good backs out there.
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B
Coach Cameron Dickey for the 263.
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C
Not a math major. That's a lot of yards, that boy.
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B
Toting that thing. We call that properly. Tote that rock properly. What you got for me, Stoner?
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A
By the way, Mark, I think if Jeremiah Love goes off this weekend against USC in a ranked game, I think he gets himself back into that, into the good part, the chunky part, the beefy part, the red meat part of the Heisman conversation. Notre Dame has moved on from those opening two losses and everybody seems to be awfully high on the Irish right now. Again, that brand, that brand is helping them a ton. All right. You know me, I always like to do things a little bit different with my.
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B
I like to wait and see. Yeah, let's see what you.
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A
Yeah, I like to let you guys play your cards. Then I'm like, oh, hold on a second. All right, so for pure numbers, it's gotta be Cam Cook. Jacksonville State leads the nation 832 yards. He had 218 last week, guys. 218 on 31 carries. He actually led TCU in rushing last season before transferring to the Gamecocks. Now for pure potential, a guy that we saw last week in Champagne, Ohio State true freshman Bo Jackson, remember, didn't play the opener versus Texas 407 and five games since. He's averaging seven yards per carry, a lot of it after contact as well. I loved his vision. He's. He bounces off tacklers, he's physical. And how, how can you go wrong with that name, right? I, I think Bo Jackson, man, I think that kid's got a great future in Columbus as a freshman. Finding his way to get coaching staff. You know, in that, in that running back room, they'll say he's got the highest ceiling for sure. By the way, and this goes back to our Penn State conversation earlier in the show. You know who we're not talking about? Katron Allen. Nick Singleton. Right, the two headed running back monster at Penn State that was supposed the lead them to Big Ten and national title glory. Nowhere to be seen. Most talented though you, you hit it earlier, Mark. The Louisiana Monroe transfer, Ahmad Hardy. Quiet versus Bama last week. I know that made you happy because. Yes, because Bama had the lead. And if it's one time I wanted.
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B
To be quiet, it's in that game.
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That's right. That's fine. He can be quiet there. Only 12 carries, 52 yards. It was his first non 100 yard game of the season. But that, that kid has been brilliant and he is the focus of opposing defenses all season and I love the you get after that first contact. What a great talent that is. Like who wouldn't want that? Who would not want that? Let us know who your top three running backs in the country are in your comments. Time now for Two Minute Drill brought to you by FanDuel. Visit FanDuel.com triple option to download the app and take advantage of a 50% profit boost today. Let's start in the SEC. Number 11, Tennessee on the road at number six, Bama. Fifth straight year. This is a ranked meeting mark both these teams coming off of hard fought three point wins.
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Yeah, hard fought three point wins and guess what, the fourth straight top 20 matchup for Bama. So you want to talk about teams who are battle tested and teams who have a great resume. It's hard for me to pick anyone else that has a better resume than Bama at this point. But man, you know Tennessee coming to town. We hate Tennessee. We hate Tennessee. I hate everything about Tennessee.
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A
What do you hate about Tennessee? Colors, Bama. I know colors. What don't you like?
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C
What do I hate about.
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B
I hate the mascot. I'm not a dog guy. No, I just hate everything to do with Tennessee. So yeah, they're coming to town and I think it's minus eight and a half.
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A
Yeah, Bama favorite eight and a half.
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B
Over under 59 and a half. Like this is a rivalry game and he want us to spot eight and a half. This is crazy, but that number's grown. Yeah, I just gotta, I just gotta shout out Ty Simpson. You talk about a guy who is paying, efficient and managing the game and making plays. He has been doing it consistently all season long. We have some injuries, man, we don't know about. Jam Miller with the concussion. Defensively, we've been kind of struggling against the run. Better last week but still allowing explosives in the past game, which isn't great when you have Joey Aguilar coming to town in this Tennessee high powered offense. But at the end of the day, man, I think this team has kind of just found his confidence. They're finding they're learning how to win and they've been playing really well. I think we'll find a way to score some points on this defense. I think Tennessee is going to score a little bit of points on our defense as well, but I think we're just going to score more. So I'm going to go With Bama to win this game and are they.
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A
Going to cover 8 and a half?
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B
8 and a half is a lot for me, Stoner.
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A
Yeah, I, I, I hear your hesitation. How about the over? Do you think they can score 60 points?
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B
I think the over is a, I think the over is a good, a good bet. So I'll go over here and bam. In a victory.
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A
All right, let's go to south bend. Number 20, USC at 13th ranked Notre Dame. Irish favored by nine and a half. Over, under. It's even bigger. It's 61 and a half. This has a playoff eliminator game type feel to it.
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C
Yeah, I actually coached in this rivalry six times and it's interesting that you know, you got your Florida, Georgia, you got your Ohio State, obviously Wolverines, even byu, Utah. The hatred, the nasty, the, that's not this way at all in this rivalry. It's interesting that be quite honest. It, it, I think it's more for the history buffs than it is for the players. You don't really feel it. I remember because I love rivalries. I tried to pump it up and so because everybody, it's so far away. Mark, you don't really. It's a great rivalry in history of the game, but not so much at the schools. I asked Matt the same thing and it's, it's a rivalry but it's not the one where you, the hatred involved with that said I watched usc. What'd you call it? You push their what in? You push their shit.
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B
Push their shit in.
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C
That's what USC did to the Wolverines and they played physical, hard. If they play like that, I think USC in this game, if they play like they did against Illinois, they, they won't. So I, Team A and team B, which happens a lot. Team A, USC might win that game. Team B, Notre Dame puts their it or pushes it. So I'm going to say it started at seven and a half. It's up to nine and a half. I say usc, I think Notre Dame wins, but I think it's a close game. I don't think they push their whatever.
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B
You don't think they push they in coach.
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A
We're going to find out if we can. We're going to find out if they're going to say that. Let us say that word or not on the podcast. All right, I've got, I've got top ten showdown from the SEC. Number five, Ole Miss at number nine. Georgia Bulldogs favored now by seven and a half over under 53 and a half. Ole Miss they've lost six straight in Athens. Remember, they struggled at home last week with Washington State. They only won it by three. I'm going to go ahead and chalk that one up to the. Looking ahead to this one. Ole Miss, number two in the SEC in total yards, yards per game and passing yards. Their defensive issues, they've got some trouble limiting the run. They've allowed 946 rush yards, third most in the conference. I want to go to Georgia right now. Coach. Coach. Clap. Clap. Show me how.
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C
How.
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A
How does a coach clap? Okay, okay, you're clapping like that now. If you're calling a timeout, how do you call a timeout? Okay, we're doing time out. Time out. Time out.
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B
All right, Kirby.
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A
I don't know what you're talking about. Mark, give me a clap. Mark, you're clapping right now. How do you clap? That's not how you clap. Kirby Smart on the sideline trying to say that this is clapping. This is. I don't hear anything right in my microphone. Do you hear this clapping?
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B
I saw that.
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A
Man, What a bunch bs. What a bunch of bs. The foreigners got hosed on that one. It was. I don't care.
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B
It was a clap. It was a clap.
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A
It was not a clap. Are you telling me that you think Kirby was doing this with one second left on the play clock?
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B
Yes, especially versus the Barners.
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A
Mark Ingram. Mark, you're lying to my face.
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B
Hey, man, weird stuff happens in that.
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A
I know it does. And that part.
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B
Stuff happens in that. In that. That weird stadium.
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A
I enjoyed that.
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B
Maybe our vision was illusion, a figment of our imagination.
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A
You know, I. I love the fact that while the officials were having this conversation of what the hell is going on, that Kirby was out on the field still, still doing this. Like he was still, like doing his theater to anybody who would pay. I'm scared. Clapping, clapping.
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B
Hey, man, Kirby, funny as hell, man.
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A
You're calling a timeout. What a bunch of BS he was. He was calling a timeout and Kirby got away with it and it swung the game against the Barners. Part of me enjoys that theater and it made me smile. But what a bunch of bunk, Kirby. What a bunch of bunk. You know that? All right, so good job, Kirby.
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B
We now know we don't like Auburn.
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A
Timeout and clapping. Kirby Smart pulled a fast one on Auburn and got away with. Was an awful, awful first half for Georgia. Fewer than 100 yards. They turned it around, found some confidence to build on. I like. I like this Georgia team. I don't know why. Maybe it's just their brand and it's hard to get them out of my head because I just think Georgia or Bama or somebody in the SEC is going to make things really interesting. National title hunt, by the way, LSU is starting to creep back up there again right now, so I like the Bulldogs winning it by a touchdown and I the under to boot. All right, so we spent a lot of time on Penn State talking about the Nittany Lions and James Franklin situation today on the Triple Option. If you're going to be in Columbus ahead of the Penn State Ohio State game, we encourage you all to come out to Urban Myers Pint house in Dublin, Thursday, October 30th. Guess what? We're going live. Live episode of the Triple option coming your way. Thursday, October 30, 7pm Eastern. Bonus points if you come dressed as Urban or James Franklin. All right, bonus points. Drinks will be on Mark if you come dressed up as Urban Meyer or James Franklin. Again live.
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B
Got it.
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A
On the P House, the triple.
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C
Pretty good, Mark.
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A
That'd be from the pine. People do that?
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B
Yeah.
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A
Right before Halloween, man. Right before Halloween.
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C
We got to do that. You got. We got to make that official.
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A
Okay.
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C
Tell the Sinclair folks we got to do that.
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A
I'm on dress up.
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C
You get a. A 50% off cocktail.
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A
There you go.
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C
Los Linderos.
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B
Los Lindos.
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A
I drove by a Los Lindos billboard last night, coach. I try to take a picture for you for it. Still waiting on my bottle of that. Make sure to follow. Subscribe rate us at YouTube, Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast as well as across social media. 3x option show. Don't forget to leave questions and comments as well. We love to answer them on the show. As always, thank you to our great sponsors, Wendy's, FanDuel, ZipRecruiter. Welcome Google. Love to have you here. Enjoy the football this weekend. Talk to you next weekend. And remember, clap when your team scores. Remember, clap loudly when your team scores.
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B
Tell your mama now.