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Michigan vs the NCAA, Distractions at UNC, and Tennessee Vols 2025 Preview
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Michigan vs the NCAA, Distractions at UNC, and Tennessee Vols 2025 Preview
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Rob Stone
Coach, just remind me what you said about Tennessee a couple weeks ago when Nico left.
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Urban Meyer
They're screwed.
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Rob Stone
Screwed.
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Urban Meyer
And I'm going to say it again.
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Rob Stone
You can become unscrewed real fast and.
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Urban Meyer
Then Nico's out signing autographs in Westwood.
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Rob Stone
Hey, the Lakers and the Clippers had playoff games. Coach, he's busy.
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Urban Meyer
Get your butt in the huddle, man. Let's go light it.
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Rob Stone
Welcome to another edition of the Triple option presented by Wendy's. Find your new favorite frosty flavor today with choices like brownie batter, strawberry and caramel swirl. Rob Stone, three time NCAA national champion winning head coach Urban Meyer here with you this week. As always, thanks for joining us. Love to have you. Please Rate subscribe at Apple Podcasts Spotify Wherever it is you find your podcast, you can find us on social media 3x option show new episodes coming your way Every Wednesday on YouTube and wherever you find your podcast. So the NFL draft, the spring transfer portal window. Coach, we've moved on from it. Guess what? Plenty to talk about in college football. Again, we will discuss what exactly is going on in Chapel. Bill we're going to take a look at the Nicolas Tennessee Volunteers early season outlook. But let's begin in one of Coach's favorite places to travel, Ann Arbor and Coach. This is going to be an interesting conversation because we all understand your ties to Ohio State. A lot of people, a lot of people forget though the immense respect you have for that program. And we're going to get into that and there's a lot going on in Ann Arbor right now. So I'm going to do my best to kind of catch everybody up the short list of what's happening. So just the other day head coach Shrone Moore essentially offered to be suspended for two games for the upcoming season as part of self imposed sanctions by the university for the whole Connor Stallions advanced scouting scandal. And this is per multiple sources. The suspension curious would be for weeks three and four against Central Michigan and Nebraska. It would allow Moore to coach week one versus New Mexico and week two at Oklahoma, his alma mater. The background if you will August 24th notice of allegations the NCAA cited Michigan for 11 violations, six of them deemed Level 1, known as the most serious. The school and the NCAA working toward a resolution. The hearing is set for early June. More suspension this two game suspension that again that they are offering ties back to allegations that he deleted a thread of 52 text messages with Connor Stallions. But there's more Covid recruiting violations. You go back to April of 2024. The school put on a three year probation Harbaugh given a one year NCAA ban and four year Jim Harbaugh three game suspension at the beginning of the 23 season for that as well there'd be another suspension later. Jesse Minter one year show cause DB coach two year show cause half year suspension if he does return to college football. Sharon Moore remember suspended first game of the 2023 campaign when he was an offensive coordinator Connor Stallions the sign stealing scandal. He resigned in 23. In November of 2023 Harbaugh suspended final three regular games of 23 by the Big Ten. The Big Ten did that and did return though for the Big Ten title game the college football playoffs which they went on and won Linebacker coach in season destroyed some evidence according to finding Sharon Moore again. The latest news of this coach is he in Michigan saying coach Moore offering to be suspended two games in this upcoming season. There's a lot to digest. Again, this is not piling on on the Maize and Blue. This is just the facts. This is what is out there and this is what's out there for now. So let's flashback coach season and a half or so ago when the coach Stallions news broke. You and I were in Happy Valley getting ready for Michigan, Penn State and Jim Harbaugh is literally finding out as they're landing on the tarmac that the Big Ten has suspended him. We do big noon kickoff the next day. And your initial reaction was what?
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Urban Meyer
My initial reaction was pump the brakes. And I like where you started though saying that this is not piling on. And sure, as you're the head coach at Ohio State, you dislike the Wolverines. I grew up on Ohio State fan but I've said this many times and I fight many and say name a person has more respect for the Wolverines than Urban Meyer. And I I don't know if there's that many. And how do you show respect for someone you work your butt off every day and because you got respect for the players, the coaches and the program. So, so we we're in State College and all of a sudden it was like wildfire. You we're. We're hearing accusation after accusation and I've experienced it, my staff experience, I've friends experience accusations that you scratch and say that is not true. There were many analysts across all different networks that were piling on saying, you know and I said pump the brakes. You know, first of all find out if it's true. I would not even comment. And I remember even Fox, our producer asking do you want to be More strong on that. I said, I don't, because what if it's not true? And what I was reading was, you know, I'll be on. When I, when I first heard, you know, coach dressed up, an assistant coach or a member of the staff was on the sideline on a opposing, on, on another staff dressed up like an assistant coach, videotaping from the. I was like, that. That's not true. There's no way that happened. It.
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Rob Stone
That's Hollywood stuff against them.
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Urban Meyer
Yeah. And then that they would send people to games to videotape. And I even had pop up people at Fox, remember a couple of our colleagues who. Everyone does that. I'm like, remember the argument? I look, I said, everyone does what? That they go to games and they videotape the sidelines. That's a flagrant violation. So I was the person. I'm going to do a little bit of that today, too. Let's pump. Let's find out what's happening. However, you are in relatively unprecedented waters here, Rob. This is when, as you were reading this and I was going back in my career, almost 40 years in college football, and I'm just reading all these and I was like, wait a minute, you got coaches that can't coach anymore in college. You know, you got a lot of stuff here. And I guess. Did you say in June is when the, when the hammer drops? Is that, is that the word?
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Rob Stone
Yeah. June 6th and 7th, the Committee on Infractions, the COI, will have their hearing and we will know more about that. You know what's interesting about that, coaches, you know, Sharon Moore and Michigan are essentially offering, you know, to fall on the sword for two games. That's not right. The guaranteed punishment. Right. The NCAA is going to tell you what the punishment is. It doesn't have to be those two games and it doesn't have to be those two games that, that Michigan is offering as well. So. Right, this, to me, Coach, it's, it's, it's a lot like probably buying a car, buying a house. You want to put in a low ball effort, right? But you got to be careful that you don't want antagonize and you don't want to embarrass the seller. Right. You want to get out of there with a price where you feel like, hey, I still got a little, a little bit of a deal, right? And I think Michigan is throwing Sharon Moore out there saying, hey, we'll sit this one out. Two games, ncaa, we got it. We're, we're, we're Tight. We understand that there was some.
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Urban Meyer
Right.
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Rob Stone
That something out there is true. What that is, we don't know. But that is their, their way of saying, okay, our bad. We're gonna, we're gonna step in. No need, no need to handle this, guys. We got it internally. We'll take these two games. Ncaa.
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Urban Meyer
That's exactly what's going on.
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Rob Stone
Rob doesn't have to play that way at all. And be careful. You don't want to embarrass the person who is your seller. The NCAA holds the chips right now. And for all the power that has seeped through their hands lately, it's the NCAA in early June. Coach that is going to come down with whatever it is that they decide needs to happen punishment wise to Michigan.
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Urban Meyer
Well, I want to focus on that for a minute because I actually flew up to Indianapolis a couple of times and met with the head of the ncaa. They wanted, you know, I was in a conference, the sec, that there was accusation after accusation of a lot of nefarious things going on in the recruiting world. Once again, a lot of it wasn't proven. A lot of it was hearsay. But the NCAA is, is to blame for a lot of this. Obviously, those who commit the, the, the activity, the illegal activity. And that's what it is. Not, not by law, but according to the laws of the ncaa. And I would, I would come out pretty strong and say that. Do you realize a template was actually set twice by the ncaa, Rob? Twice. And here's what happened. When I played college football and early in my career, steroids and sports performance drugs were all over the place. You know what the NCAA said and was the right decision. They said if you do that, you're done playing sports. That sport. Not for a game, not for two games. Not like the marijuana. It used to be a marijuana. You know, it was up to the school. This was not up to the school. If you got caught with steroids and performance enhancing drugs, you know what happened? It just, it went away because the risk reward for an athlete was don't do that or my career is over. Does that mean steroids are completely out of football? I'm sure there's. I didn't see it. We tested all the time. The ncaa, we would talk about it every year and I saw the reaction of the players. You get caught, Rob, one time, you're done playing. It's over. It disappeared.
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Rob Stone
Dez Bryant, 09, suspended for the remaining nine games of his junior year for lying to the NCAA about some interactions.
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Urban Meyer
Okay, say that again. He. He Got caught lying to the ncaa. Caught lying and by the ncaa, swift effect is punishment. You want. The punishment was, you're done. And I brought that up several times at the afca. I brought that up at the ncaa. If you lie as a college football coach to the ncaa, in my personal opinion, you're finished. You're done. That's not making a text message. That's not, you know, going to lunch someone with. You're not supposed to go lunch with. That's not. You send a letter when you're not supposed to. That, you know, all the, the frivolous division or what are the level threes and all that nonsense. But when they got you and they said, did you do this? And they refused to cooperate or they refuse or they lie. In my very strong opinion, you're finished coaching in Division 1 college football or basketball, whatever sport, guess what happens? The risk now is too high. And I don't think you ever see this kind of stuff again. I've said that before. DEZ Bryant. Why was. Why is DEZ Bryant treated more harshly than coaches that maybe lied to the ncaa? I. I've asked that question many times. If this guy's not telling the truth, why is he coaching? He. He's done. Yeah, you're finished. I know this is going to. This. You're finished coaching if you lie to the ncaa.
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Rob Stone
How about a rule book, right? Like how these sanctions and rules are coming down. Feels very, you know, to use a youth term like willy nilly. Right. It should be. Here it is. Statue a lie out.
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Urban Meyer
I don't personally believe the NCAA will overdo this because they'll get litigated. It'll be outrageous. I don't believe it'll happen.
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Rob Stone
And that's.
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Urban Meyer
But if you put a rule in a rule book, 1a, 1a in the rule book and says if you do not tell the truth, if you lie to the ncaa, your career is over in college football.
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Rob Stone
So again, this is not piling on Michigan. This is kind of more of a. Because you know what?
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Urban Meyer
They're not the only ones in the last few years for sure.
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Rob Stone
For sure. Which brings me to this point. So we did our research, coach, and, and we found two programs that, you know, relatively recently have gone through some problems, some level one infractions. Tennessee, under their head coach, Jeremy Pruitt, Arizona State, when Herm Edwards was in charge, both of those punishments to those programs, to those head coaches included. I know this is going to trigger response and you get to it in a second. Vacating wins, probation and A self postseason ban that was done by Arizona State to the coaching community. Vacated wins. Those wins have been vacated.
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Urban Meyer
Your response is, everyone starts laughing. Yeah, there's vacate what wins seven years ago, six years ago, four years ago. You know, that has no impact on, you know, that's, that's the risk reward. You can vacate all the wins you want. Now, obviously this discussion will come up now you start vacating wins from a national championship season, that's a problem. But I, I think Tennessee had some wins vacated. If I remember right. Maybe Arizona State and the teams weren't very good. So who cares? The risk reward is, is in full effect there. That means there's no risk and a great reward, I guess if you do the things they're doing. So you hear the word vacated wins. Everybody rolls their eyes in college sports.
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Rob Stone
You know, the other thing that gets people rolling their eyes is the punishments coach that get handed down more times than not. They're impacting the players, the program in the present moment, not the ones who committed the infraction.
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Urban Meyer
Right.
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Rob Stone
If there's going to be, even if you're vacating wins, that's still going to hurt. That's going to tarnish the shield, if you will, of, of that program. It's going to make transfer portal opportunities slimmer. Right. It's going to have players thinking about, well, wait a second, I don't get a chance to play in a bowl game, maybe I need to get out of here and go somewhere else. It always feels like it's the current generation that gets dinged rather more than the people that actually had these infractions. So we got to get these penalties right. And the NCAA hasn't gotten a lot right. And they've obviously been muted in their powers as of late.
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Urban Meyer
It shouldn't be subjective. I think Rule 1A in the Rule book should be same for a player or same for a coach. You lie to the people, make mistakes. Rob that, this is not. Sometimes you have people. I had a guy in his staff that went rogue that, you know, did some things that I'm like, wait, what happened? You know, you can't understand everything. However, when it's time to bring it to the head, say, wait, what happened? And the NCAA comes in and said, this is what happened. Help us here cooperate and we'll get to the end of it. And if you say we're not going to cooperate and they lie once again, I, I keep pushing that because I, I say that because I know it won't happen. I think the NCAA has lost a lot of its claws, a lot of its power. And not, not that it had a lot of power because, and I understand it, they get litigated. The Tom Mars, that attorney, he's going to get a phone call and he's going to say, help us sue the ncaa. And somehow it all, you know, I don't know, it bothers me because I just wish there was a clean cut rule. And you had it twice, Rob. You had it. The steroid era was over and a player lied to the ncaa. And I remember that was, I use that every year with our players and our staff. I said, you know, once again, people make mistakes when, when it's, when it's time you got to cooperate with the ncaa.
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Rob Stone
You know, it's. What I find interesting also, Coach, is the fact that we talk about the NCAA being declawed as of late. They have an opportunity right now to spring those claws back and say, hey, you know what, let's stick out our chest a little bit more. Let's be this, this presence of authority and security and discipline. And they've got, I'm not. They've got a great opportunity if that's what they want to do and if that's fair and if that's what this, this program or the staff or these coaches deserve. We, let's be honest, also, I don't think we know all of the information that's out there. Not, not think I know. We don't know all the information.
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Urban Meyer
You can, you can imagine the flood I received today from. And a lot of it's Ohio State people. You know, I'm going to, of course, that's, that's, I coached there for a long time and. But you have to, you know, once again, stop. I keep telling everybody, stop, stop. That's what these people have been working on for a couple years. It's, it is amazing to me that how long it takes as well. You know what happens the minute you say that. If you lie to the nca, it's over immediately. When you hear something, you go in and meet with the coach and say, is this going on? If they, and you say before that, say, now I'm going to ask you a question. And you're on tape recording here. If you lie to us, your career is over. You can't coach anymore. You know how fast investigations go if that's the case.
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Rob Stone
Right.
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Urban Meyer
As opposed to, I'm not talking to you. Well, you got to talk to me.
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Rob Stone
So, so here's the question that people are going to ask you Us, me, and one that the NCAA has to ask as well, depending just how serious these allegations end up being. As far as the truth factor, should the 20, 23 national championship be taken away from the University of Michigan?
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Urban Meyer
Yeah, I've been blown up all morning about that. I, I, I say pump the brakes. I don't even go there. You know, I don't because I think, you know, whenever I had, whenever, when you start seeing about coaches that can't coach, you know, you went through this and you see the word show cause. Show cause in my understanding, means you can't coach. If someone wants to hire you, you're not allowed to coach. So obviously there's some stuff there. But once again, I defer until everything comes out. And I hope it does. I hope everything comes out. And so at some point you can move past this because this is like a, a black cloud that's been hanging.
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Rob Stone
For a while for sure, you know, and it gets more and more curious. Coach, when you start doing some, some back math, I'll call it, you know, Coach Harbaugh leaving the program to go to the end to the NFL when a lot of people, probably non Michigan people, but obviously there are so many intelligent Michigan people would say there's a bit of a cloud, bit of a cloud developing over us, right? And now the news just the other day that the really respected president of the University of Michigan, President Ono, who was just a huge athletic supporter, still is, is seriously considering leaving Ann Arbor and going to the University of Florida. You know, there's that cloud, there's that cloud up there. And if you're a Michigan fan, a Michigan player, a Michigan coach, I think it's time to deal with whatever that cloud is. Is it, is it, if it's going to rain, let it rain. If it's going to clear up and sun's going to come back in Ann Arbor, let it do it. But let's, let's get ourselves in a position to finally move on, right? If you're Michigan, let's find out what our deal is and let's move on. Again, the Committee on Infractions hearing taking place June 6th and 7th, that's when we will know more about the fate of Michigan and the fate of Sharon Moore this season coming up next. Going to talk the University of North Carolina. The Tar Heels have been providing a lot of conversation and distractions in this Bill Belichick's first spring in Chapel Hill. We'll talk about that next when the triple option presented by Wendy's returns. Wendy's has done new frosty flavors before, but never like this. This time, Wendy's is launching a whole new new way to frosty. With all new flavors to choose from.
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Urban Meyer
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Rob Stone
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Urban Meyer
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Rob Stone
Welcome back to the triple option presented by Wendy's Urban Meyer. Rob Stone back here with you. Coach Bill Beljack has been making some noise down there in Chapel Hill. Chapel Bill, as they call it right now. Certainly not for the reasons that we were anticipating. I mean, we're talking about a legend going to the college ranks to try to build North Carolina back up to a powerhouse. And instead all the conversation is about his, his partner, his Girlfriend Jordan Hudson, the 24 year old who is changing the Jordan brand conversation in Chapel Hill from Michael Jordan to Jordan Hudson. The latest, she interrupted a CBS interview when her boyfriend, Coach Belichick was asked how they met. That certainly brought some unwanted attention to the school. Coach Belichick has asked the University of North Carolina staff to copy Jordan on every email they send to him. She's rumored to been involved in stopping HBO's Hard Knocks from coming to Chapel Hill, which in hindsight, looking at everything that's going on right now might be a blessing in disguise. And her email signature identifies her as the chief operating officer of Belichick Productions. You know, listen, if you're a late night comedian, you've got a lot of fodder from just the fact that this is a 73 year old man dating a 24 year old woman. Listen, everybody's got their own private life. They do what they want to do. This has nothing to do about their relationship as boyfriend, girlfriend or whatever it is in Chapel Hill. But this does bring up some real curious questions of what exactly is happening with Coach Belichick and with the North Carolina program just a couple months under his, his tenure. This is not at all like, this is not from the Belichick to do list. Right. This goes against everything that we saw and learned from him in his days with the Patriots.
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Urban Meyer
It does. I mean, here's a guy that had ultimate control over the best franchise in the NFL, arguably the greatest dynasty. No, the greatest dynasty in the history of the National Football League. And, and Coach Belichicko go down is arguably the greatest, one of the, certainly one of the greatest to ever do it. I had the good fortune of being with coach many, many times at Florida and even Ohio State and, and then he invited me up to New England a couple times, went to practices and, and you absolute, ultimate control. It was amazing to watch. You go to North Carolina and what Coach Belichick does in his personal time, that's his business. However, when it's, you know, you start talking about representing North Carolina, you know, on air, that became a, you know, like as you said, some fodder out there that I can tell you this, that there's everybody in Chapley wants to go play that first game and let, let the coach coach, let the players play. Unfortunately, there's a lot of time until that happens.
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Rob Stone
Yeah, Monday, September 1st cannot get here soon enough. That's when they open up their campaign versus TCU and you know, spring camp concluded. We should be talking about, you know, what they've done in quarterback.
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Urban Meyer
Who's a quarterback? I don't know who's going to be quarterback.
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Rob Stone
They just brought in a really talented. I think it's Geo Lopez that, that they're hoping it's going to be, but it's, it's an open campaign. Like these are the things that we should be talking about, Coach. And unfortunately we're talking about a legend who appears to have lost control. And if you're the UNC fan base, if you're the alumni out there, if you're the administration, this is a tough spot. Like I, I get the feeling that if it was maybe some other person not named Bill Belichick, that's the head coach, come into the office. We need to talk, we need to sort this out. But with Bill, it's, it feels like it's got to be some different rules going on in Chapel Hill.
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Urban Meyer
Yeah. And you made a comment that he's lost control. I would probably push back on that, Rob. I'd say no, he's not. What are you talking. I know coach. There's absolutely zero probability this was an interview that somehow went rogue. It became a topic of all headlines. Coach, I believe put out a, a statement explaining the situation. It should be over and move on. So once again I, I think I know in my life in time as well, the media grabs a hold of stuff and it doesn't, you know, just non stop. So I would push back and say no, absolutely not. He has a lost control. It just became a topic of conversation. I would imagine more outside of UNC than inside. I'm saying that because once again I've seen stuff in my career and, and friends careers like what are you talking about? That's not a non issue here. But the media has made an issue. So I'd push back a little bit on loss control.
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Rob Stone
You don't think he's lost control? I mean he has this, this young lady that is now professionally and personally in his life that is making or appears to be making major decisions.
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Urban Meyer
I would say major, I would say decisions about not going on hard knocks.
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Rob Stone
You know, she, apparently she got herself that conversation.
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Urban Meyer
Once again, that's all speculation.
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Rob Stone
100%. 100%. I get it. But there's a lot of those, there's a lot of those that are coming out. There's a lot of smoke that's coming out of Chapel Hill right now, which usually means there's some type of fire.
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Urban Meyer
And, and we're, when we're talking about.
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Rob Stone
It and we're talking about. And we're talking about it for the wrong reasons. We should talk about what an opportunity this is for the University of North Carolina with one of the most esteemed coaches the sport has ever produced, is coming to Chapel Hill and wants to be a part of you and build you back up. Coach Mack Brown is somewhere throwing a lure into a pond or a lake and just kind of probably smiling.
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Urban Meyer
The question you ask about North Carolina is one of those incredibly proud high end academic schools. The board of trustees, the president and ad I wonder, you know, once again the depth of this, which I'm, I'm saying it's superficial nonsense, but once again, that's my opinion because what we know is a, a young lady said something on an interview, so we're not going to talk about that. Bam. Became an interview or a topic.
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Rob Stone
I would make a plea to Jordan and just say, jordan, just take yourself out of the limelight, please. I love standing by your man and I love helping him out and doing some of these things that, that are on another level of his desk that are maybe not his most high ranking priorities. But I think she has to be told, or better yet, realize and understand that she needs to take herself out of the conversation and just that might happen and I hope it does. This is not a knock on her, but like, just read the room. Read the room, Jordan, and step aside. Right? Let, let your man be the leading man that he is right now. Don't try to mute him. Don't try to steal the spotlight. Don't pull him. Bill Belichick can talk himself out of tight spots now, right? Like if there's a tough question to coach Bill Belichick, guess what, he can handle it. He, he doesn't need somebody jumping in there. And I know then there's been those talks about that the handler that he had coached for all those years in New England who was able to kind of sniff out potential problems and, and you know, stop that brush fire before it sparked. But it just, the outside image before football is played doesn't look great in Chapel Hill. And again, I think if you're Bill, if you're, you're his staff, you're his team. Come on, come on, September 1st. Let's get here, let's get here. Let's show what we can do on the football field. Time now for Treat of the Week presented by Wendy's. Find your new favorite frosty flavor today with choices like, you know, those, these flavors by now, Coach, because you and I have been sucking them down the last couple of weeks. We got our brownie batter. Caramel or caramel? Yeah, yeah, caramel. Caramel swirl. We got strawberry. Get one right now. So, Coach, I love, I love looking in your office and the things behind you. All right, you got something over your left, your left shoulder right now that looks massive. And you're going to pull it up here because you and Mike Norvell won the Southern company Peach bowl challenge for a second year in a row. There's reports, Coach, you dropped the 15 put putt on the final hole to seal the win, holding off the team of coach Narduzzi and coach Newheisel by one point. So again, congratulations on more hardware accumulating behind you and around you. That's a big ass trophy, by the way.
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Urban Meyer
That is a big ass trophy. We've moved a couple of the trophies to make room because we actually won in 24 and 25. 24 is right over there as well. So Mike Norvell and I are partners and Gary Stoken, the director of the Peach bowl, they put on incredible event at Reynolds Lake Oconee. And I've been going to for years and years and years. And we finally got a couple of W's the last two years. And Rick Neuheisel, I guess on his radio show, I was a little pissed about the pit, the putt. I think it's like a fish stories get longer and longer, which is fine, I'm okay with it. But we came down the last hole in his Stableford and Rick Newheis was like a one or two handicap. He's a real golfer and we're just hanging in there. And Coach Narduzzi, myself was. Was partner Pat Narduzzi with Rick and they get on in two. We're. We're in a trap. We get up, we finally get on in three. If Rick Neuheisel makes the putt and we miss. And we had a 15, 18 foot putt and he just missed it by an inch. I got a good read from Mike Norvell, who played his butt off, by the way.
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Rob Stone
You got a good read. That's a backhand compliment.
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Urban Meyer
Everybody celebrated. We had a good time. You know what they give you, it's like 40 or $50,000 prize charity of choice to the charity of our choice. And ours is going to go the Tebow foundation, anti human trafficking. So a great event, great event and a great dub.
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Rob Stone
But can you pull that trophy up a little bit so we can get a closer look at it? And by the way, how much do you think that sucker weighs because it, that looks like, like in the 17 to 22 pound window.
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Urban Meyer
I think it's a 15 pounder.
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Rob Stone
15 pounder? Yeah, that's heavy. Like, I bet there's big 10 titles and mountain west titles you've won that haven't been that big.
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Urban Meyer
No, but I'll be honest, the Big Ten title is a little harder than the Peach Bowl Challenge. That's all right. Don't, don't repeat that.
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Rob Stone
You didn't have anybody lining up your putts at the Big Ten Championship game, did you? Coming up next, we're going to take a look at Tennessee, and if head coach Josh Hypo can put together another playoff season, that's next on the triple option presented by Wendy's.
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Urban Meyer
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Urban Meyer
They're screwed.
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Rob Stone
Screwed.
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Urban Meyer
And I'm going to say it again. You wouldn't let a potential first round. Not let. But the potential first rounder walks out on you. Especially a starting quarterback of a team that was in the playoffs. A team at times looked really, really good. And he was a young quarterback. You know what happens to young quarterbacks, Rob?
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Rob Stone
They get better.
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Urban Meyer
They get better.
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Rob Stone
Yeah, so they get better. And apparently they want to get paid better as well. All right, so bet MGM has set their win total at eight and a half. How about this though, coach? It was nine and a half before Nico transferred out. So it's now down a game to 8 1/2 plus 1:20 to go over that number and 155 to go under. Quick recap. Last season, Tennessee 10 and 2 in the regular season, finished at 10 and 3. Loss at Ohio State. First round of the College Football Playoff in the regular season lost to Georgia and Arkansas. Had ranked wins over NC State, Alabama and Oklahoma. The big news, of course, their quarterback is gone. Nico goes to UCLA. Remember, only had one game over 300 yards last season. That was against Chattanooga. So? So maybe we need to pump the brakes a little bit.
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Urban Meyer
Sure.
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Rob Stone
Maybe a little bit. Effectively, UCLA and Tennessee pulled off the Much heralded quarterback trade where former App State QB Joey Aguilar, who had transferred from the Mountaineers in upstate North Carolina to UCLA and then now goes to Tennessee. His numbers, 25 starts at App State. 6,700 yards, 56 touchdowns, 24 picks. Coach. All right, so let's look at the schedule. This is always a fun exercise. Again, eight and a half. Eight and a half. Can they get to nine? We start Syracuse in Atlanta, Mercedes Benz Dome. So that is going to be a de facto home game, if you will, for Tennessee. I love Syracuse. I love what Coach Brown is doing. Both these programs enter with new quarterbacks and I think the overall depth. I would go advantage Tennessee.
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Urban Meyer
You I'd go advantage Tennessee. But that's, that's going to be a running game. That's going to be a tough one.
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Rob Stone
All right, so let's give them one.
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Urban Meyer
I mean there, I mean on, on paper, Tennessee's got better players. That's a fact.
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Rob Stone
There you go.
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Urban Meyer
That's the way it is. But that by, I mean, I'm sure Vegas has that thing at probably six.
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Rob Stone
Yeah. Enough to make it scary. Enough to make you squirm. Right. All right, let's give it. Let's give Tennessee week one. Congratulations. East Tennessee State win two. Week three, home Georgia.
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Urban Meyer
They lose.
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Rob Stone
No. Okay, next game. Home UAB win. Win three. They finally hit the road. A true road game at Mississippi State. Four Home to Arkansas. Yeah, it's home. It's home. We'll put it on the back burner.
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Urban Meyer
Okay.
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Rob Stone
Right. So four definites. One half at Alabama.
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Urban Meyer
No.
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Rob Stone
At Kentucky.
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Urban Meyer
I'm going to give them that one because I'm going to say they'll split Arkansas, Kentucky. So, okay, let's say one.
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Rob Stone
So that's five. Home to Oklahoma.
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Urban Meyer
Ooh.
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Rob Stone
Ooh is right. Ooh. And again we're trying to get to nine.
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Urban Meyer
I think almost reeling a little bit right now. I really do. I just hearing some things out there and the way they finished last year.
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Rob Stone
Okay.
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Urban Meyer
But once again, the thing about you look at these darn teams, you just don't know who's on the roster. You know, who did they get?
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Rob Stone
That's the beauty of doing this in May.
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Urban Meyer
Oklahoma. I'm going to give them a not sure. So those split Oklahoma, Florida. So let's give them one more when that's six.
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Rob Stone
Oh, you're already splitting Florida. I haven't even gotten to Florida. That's fine. All right, I'll give them. I'll get. I'll take them to six. We'll go to seven with New Mexico State. Right.
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Urban Meyer
Florida.
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Rob Stone
We are. We gave him a half win with Oklahoma. We're doing our own fuzzy math here right now they got half a win versus Oklahoma, half a win versus Florida. So that takes them to seven. And they close with Vandy.
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Urban Meyer
Which I'll tell you what, that's another one. They got a heck of a coaching staff down there. Agreed. That's a robbery game. So I think they get eight. But I'll tell you what, that's still. I'm gonna. I'm gonna say they got screwed again. However, the first trade of my. That I'm aware of in college football history, they traded two quarterbacks.
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Rob Stone
Yeah.
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Urban Meyer
How about saying that you just traded a quarterback.
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Rob Stone
They're not going to call it a trade. But that's what it was.
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Urban Meyer
So I went and watched Aguilar because I wanted to familiar. I love Happy State, you know. But it is. The reality is it's not as you're stepping in the sec.
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Rob Stone
Yeah.
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Urban Meyer
So everybody's at least a step. Maybe at most positions two steps faster. And when you have 24 interceptions, that's about one per game. That's way too many. And those interceptions now those whole. The pockets or the. Excuse me, the windows just are so much tighter.
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Rob Stone
Yeah.
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Urban Meyer
I will go back on record again as saying Tennessee screwed. Now you can get unscrewed real fast if that team develops. But as of whatever the date is May we're in the. In the get screwed category.
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Rob Stone
You could become unscrewed real fast.
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Urban Meyer
Sure.
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Rob Stone
So they need to take out the WD40 and loosen up some of that rust. Get after that screw and unscrew it and get out of there. But we got him right now at a. At a fuzzy math. Eight wins. A very fuzzy math.
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Urban Meyer
And then Nico's out signing autographs in Westwood.
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Rob Stone
He hasn't thrown the ball yet for the Bruins, has he? Has he?
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Urban Meyer
And I heard he was supposed to be some practices or something. I don't know.
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Rob Stone
I just heard the Lakers and the Clippers had playoff games. Coach, he's busy. He's got things to do.
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Urban Meyer
Man, get your butt in the huddle, man. Let's go.
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Rob Stone
So. All right. So good coaching. Little pep talk right there. Coach Hypo's got himself a little QB quandary right now. Right. And he's. He's going to really have to deal with it in the fall because of. Of Aguilar coming in so late. So how does a coach manage an open quarterback race? And let's. Let's just say it is a pure open quarterback race where options A, B and C essentially are level.
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Urban Meyer
I, I. When the minute you said you got a quarterback issue, I go right to their schedule. And here's the problem. You screw around with your quarter because you have to name his quarter within two weeks of training camp. You can. There's no chance that you can let this thing bleed out because the team has to know who your quarterback is. So a guy that's just stepping on campus now, a guy that's only completed our attempted nine passes, I believe you have to. And Josh Hypo play quarterback when I think believe on the Heisman. Right. Or at least a national, I'm. I'm not sure. But he knows enough about quarter play to get to. He has to announce this sooner than later. And they got Syracuse, East Tennessee and Georgia. You can't come out of that thing one and two because then you are back in the underlying screwed category because the rest of your schedule, you're a mess.
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Rob Stone
Yeah. Yeah.
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Urban Meyer
You gotta. You gotta find a way to win those first two games.
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Rob Stone
So two weeks into camp, Tennessee's gonna name their starting quarterback. That's how it needs to handle.
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Urban Meyer
Okay.
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Rob Stone
All right. Hope hopefully Mark Ingram will be back with us next week. He's got a pretty cool opportunity that made him this. This week.
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Urban Meyer
How many kids does he have? He has 5, 6, 7, 8, 9.
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Rob Stone
Time I turn around, there's another Ingram running around.
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Urban Meyer
He's. He's got a good deal tonight, though. He's taking his Sunday batting practice, so that's pretty cool.
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Rob Stone
And who's he gonna see? He's gonna see the Dodgers and see Ohtani, see some of those guys. So, yeah, Mark, enjoy the family.
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Urban Meyer
Good news, Rob. I'd be there with him.
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Rob Stone
I know you would. And let me tell you, nobody wants me hosting this podcast by myself. Follow subscribe rate us on YouTube, Apple, Podcast, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast, as well as across social media at 3x option show. Thanks as always to our sponsors Wendy's and BetMGM, and we will see you next Wednesday.