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The Triple Option LIVE: Urban & Mark are joined by Matt Leinart & Annie Agar | from The Block
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Urban Meyer
Oh, Light it.
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Annie Agar
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome into a special crossover edition of the triple option and throwbacks, live from the block in San Francisco. Please get on your feet and get excited. Here is the host for festivities and the Agar. Trivia this time now for the College Football hall of Famer. Starting with the 2009 Heisman winner, the first to ever do it at Alabama, a national champion, Mark Ingram ii. What's better than one Heisman winner? How about a second 2004 Heisman winner, two time national champion in 2006, first round pick, Matt Leiner.
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Urban Meyer
Light it.
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Annie Agar
And last but not least, the man that won three college football national championships, two at Florida and one at Ohio State, Urban Meyer.
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Mark Ingram II
Yeah, man. Yeah.
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Matt Leinart
Coach has a bad knees.
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Annie Agar
Getting old for, for the record, guys, those, those Florida national championships, that was back before the playoff. Need to expand to get the SEC in, but, you know, set point. All right, guys, as they said, I'm Annie Agar. I'll be your host today. We were doing some trivia earlier. Now we're going to get into some NFL and college football talk. Guys, welcome to Super Bowl 60. You made it to San Francisco. How we feeling? Good. Yeah. As someone who has traveled in San Francisco this whole week, I know that the roads out there are not easy. So congratulations on making it here. Those roads are not easy to get to the super bowl, unlike the Patriots. Okay, let's get started.
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Urban Meyer
She's already with bangers.
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Matt Leinart
It's already banger.
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Annie Agar
We're going to talk some super bowl first. Let's start with Matt as the only one up here that made it to one. But don't feel bad, guys. Josh Allen has neither. Let's start with. It's going to be a long.
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Matt Leinart
That's all she does.
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Mark Ingram II
Shot.
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Matt Leinart
She's fired.
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Annie Agar
It's so bad, you guys. It's so bad. But first, I do want to. I do want to say before we get into the super bowl, this is a crossover special edition live of throwbacks and triple option. Matt and I are on throwbacks. Mark, obviously, and Coach are on the triple option. This is sponsored by nitsa. So we all get distracted when we drive, but how we handle these distractions can be a matter of life or death. You guys, please put your phones on silent. Take a mental note to focus on driving. Paid for by nitsa. Okay, let's get into the game. As I said, I want to start with Matt here. Pretty big. Pretty big Super Bowl. Your Cardinals did lose to the Steelers back in 2009, man. Whoever won that as a coach is A great coach. You should never let him go. Pittsburgh. Okay, I want to get to this game. What from that game stood out to you experience wise and kind of like, what do you talk about this super bowl week? What was. What stood out the most in that game?
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Matt Leinart
Yeah, I mean, I think just as a football player, your. Your goal, like in college, is to win, play for a national championship in the NFL. So to win a Super bowl or be a part of one. And that year in 08, I was in the. I was playing behind Kurt Warner in Arizona. We went on an epic super bowl run. We barely won our division. I think we were 9 and 7. And we hosted a first round playoff game against Atlanta. I think Matt Ryan was a rookie that year. And then this. And then the dominoes just fell perfectly. So the second round game we played at Carolina and we had beaten them earlier in the year. We're like, we're going to. It was Jake Delome and all that. We was like, we're going to. We're going to beat them. Like, we knew that. And then we won that game. They were the one or two seed. And then we played the Eagles and we hosted an NFC championship game against the wild card because the Eagles went on an epic run, too. So it just all kind of fell in our favor. We beat the Eagles and then we play Pittsburgh. And two things stick out in that game for me. Larry Fitzgerald, who just got in the hall of Fame, which is awesome. So congrats to Fitz. He took an under route for like 70 yards. I don't know if you remember that. He took it under and split the safety. And me and Brian St. Pierre, I was the backup. He was the third string. We were hauling down the sideline.
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Urban Meyer
Let's go.
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Matt Leinart
We're gonna win. Nothing else to do that game but, like hype up our guys. And then I was telling. I didn't tell the story. So the. Ben Roethlisberger was great. He goes down. San Antonio Holmes has a catch in the end zone. You guys have probably seen it a million times. Just toe taps and we're like devastated. We get the ball back with.
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Urban Meyer
I don't.
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Matt Leinart
Maybe It's a minute, 30 seconds. Kurt Warner gets sacked by Lamar Woodley and he hurt his shoulder on the play. Oh, coach, they said liner warm up. I was about to throw a Hell Mary to try and win the Super Bowl. The last play of the game, I think. I don't remember if it was like we ran out of time or something.
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Urban Meyer
Did you warm up?
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Matt Leinart
Yeah, I was about to Warm up on the sideline. But I was like, I hadn't played the whole game. Kurt was like banged up and you need to throw.
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Mark Ingram II
Hell, they needed me to throw in.
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Matt Leinart
To throw like a 60 yard just to keep it up there. Thank God I didn't have to go in.
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Urban Meyer
And we ended up losing.
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Matt Leinart
But anyway, all that being said, we lost. It was heartbreaking. But to play in that game is just special. It was in Tampa, Florida that year. And just to be a part of it, it's pretty. It's pretty. It's pretty amazing. So excited for both these teams tomorrow.
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Annie Agar
Let's talk about. We got some 49ers fans out here, right? I saw some earlier. You guys here? Oh, yeah, there he is. Yeah. Did you intro? Did you play? You played in the trivia earlier, right? Didn't win. Oh, man. Rough year for 49ers fans. Okay, let's talk about Levi's Stadium because Mark up here is no stranger to Levi's Stadium. Unlike Brandon Iuk, by the way.
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Mark Ingram II
Lord.
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Annie Agar
Mark had one heck of a game. I'm just going to read off the stats here. In the 41 to 23 win, 171 total yards, two touchdowns, you had one of your best games in your pro career back in 2016. Do you think there's a guy on Sunday that can live up to that hype production wise?
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Matt Leinart
170.
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Mark Ingram II
Yeah, 171. You know, can't tell you the yards for carry, a receiving touchdown, you know. But yeah, yeah, it was a good day. But yeah, I'm kind of big on Seattle. I think they have a lot of juice on offense. I think their defense, how they rush four, I think it's going to be a problem. Especially Drake May has been sacked, I think like 15 times in the playoffs. So anytime you can rush four and drop seven, I think that's a great recipe. But offensively, they just got a lot of juice. And I'm big on Kenneth Walker. I think Kenneth Walker iii, I think he is a playmaker, like one of the best backs in the country. I mean, one of the best backs in the league. Obviously he has this time to shine, you know, with the injury to Charbonnet, but I think his ability to run the football, his ability to come out the backfield in the screen game, contribute like that, I think he has the chance to be very productive and have a chance to go be MVP for a Super bowl team.
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Annie Agar
We're going to do our super bowl picks later too, guys, because I'm.
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Mark Ingram II
If I gave that away already, no, no, I'm excited.
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Annie Agar
No, it's good because you could change last minute.
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Matt Leinart
Yeah, we got a Russell Wilson jersey here. Is that a Russell Wilson jersey? Yeah.
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Annie Agar
Oh, he was great in the super bowl, wasn't he? Okay, let's talk to coach about. We. Before we came on here, you guys, we had. We were sharing some stories, and coach has obviously a ton of stories, but there's one in particular about coach Mike Vrabel. Not verbal, as some may say it. Coach Mike Vrabel. And he was on. Did you get. Did anybody get that reference?
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Matt Leinart
Did you guys watch NFL honors? Yeah.
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Annie Agar
Okay. There was a mispronunciation if you didn't. Anyway, coach has some stories about coach Mike Brabel, who just won coach of the year because he was on your staff at Ohio State. So why don't you share? What do you think? First of all, Rabel's telling these guys, get them prepared. But also share your insight on what you know about coaching.
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Urban Meyer
Yeah, I text with Mike all the time, and I text him1 about three weeks ago, and he always shares his messages, and I won't get it because he probably doesn't want me to share, but he's a violent guy, man. He's. He's. He's one of my favorite people I've ever been around. And I'm a. I grew up in Ohio, so I knew Rabel is a great player at Ohio State. One of the best players ever played Ohio State. So I get hired in 2012 at Ohio State, and the AD asked me to meet with Luke Fickle, the defense coordinator, and I meet with him. No intention of keeping him, but he does such a wonderful job that I said, I'm going to hire this guy. I mean, him and his wife are great people and they're good on defense. I hire him and I start walking out of the room, and he said, one favor, Coach. Could you meet with Mike Vrabel about being on our staff? And I was like, luke, I'm not going to do that. Mike Vrabel is a great player, but this is Ohio State. This isn't time for training wheels. I need guys that. I mean, we're going to make a run at this thing. And he goes, would you do it? I said, okay, I'll do it. Let's go. 7:00am on Friday. So I come walking in, and I'm so old school. I come walking in, there's Mike Vrabel. I mean, he's a giant guy, and. And I met him a few times. He was at the Patriots. I Used to go visit Coach Belichick all the time. And hi, Mike, how you doing? Look, he's wearing jeans and a T shirt. And I'm thinking, what the hell are you doing? And. And I had a couple coaches with me. I asked him, said, come up and just hear this. Cause I, you know, I gotta make a big decision here. And so I said, mike, I sit down in the front row and I said, all right, Mike, I'm a freshman defensive lineman. You recruited me, you signed me. It's our first day of practice, this is our first meeting. Teach me your expectation, tell me your expectations, give me your core fundamentals that you're going to teach me, and then take me through your pass rush, your pass rush fundamentals, which for the coaching profession, that's like 101. That's. That's not hard. You know, if I said give me your third down package or something, that's a little more complicated. I look at Mike and Mike's full of sweat. He's never done that before. And he's His T shirt. I'm looking at him, he's done me sweating like a mule. And he's. He's like drawing circles like, like my daughter would, you know, he's like doing this. And I was like, what the hell? And I look at Luke Fickle and the coaches like this. And I stop him after about 10 minutes, and he's glad I stopped him. I said, mike, I said, all due respect, you won three Super Bowls, you're a legend at Ohio State, but you might need to go coaching the Mac or something and get a little experience and then come back. But I'll tell you what I'll do, Mike. I'll go again tomorrow at 6am and we'll give it one more shot. I walk out the door, Mike tells a story. He goes home and sees his wife and she says, are we good? And he goes, no, we're not good. Matter of fact, we're probably out, but I'm going to go back to the office. Which coach with Coach Fickle. They got back at 7 o' clock at night, stayed up all night, slept a little bit in the office. I come walk in and he's got a shirt and tie on, but he looked like he's up all night and. And he did much better job. But the reason I tell that story is because great players at times, my experience is it's very rare that a great player, because they spent their whole life playing, when they're done playing, they want to go enjoy their life. And coaches don't enjoy their life now. I mean, it's at times awful. You're 6am Till midnight. And I wanted to make sure Mike, he proved to me one thing. And you're seeing it on display with the Patriots. He's a man's man. He's a players coach. He's tough as shit. He's one of the great dudes I've ever been around. But he also proved to me that he wanted to learn to be a great coach.
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Matt Leinart
Did you. Did you see that in him once you hired?
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Urban Meyer
Instantaneously. Yeah.
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Matt Leinart
But even the teaching in practice like it.
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Urban Meyer
Oh, much better. And. And he was. He was one of those guys that. He would come in our meetings and say, how do you do this? You know, let me. Because I had really good coaches on our. Obviously on our staff. And he learned. And within two years. And last story about Mike Rabel is we're playing. We don't do. We have. I guess we're far from Ohio. I saw this USC stuff. No Ohio people here.
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Annie Agar
All right, I got one.
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Urban Meyer
Yeah, you're the. You're the smartest looking guy in the room. So the big rivalry game, obviously. The Wolverines. And my first. My.
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Annie Agar
Wow.
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Mark Ingram II
Lord.
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Matt Leinart
Oh, fighting words, Lord.
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Urban Meyer
So we're playing in the rivalry game. It's about 10 degrees in the. In the Ohio Stadium. And I come in the locker room and give the last final talk before we go out and play the game. And the game starts and I look over at Mike Rabel has got like a beanie on and his face, there's like a large cut with like crusted blood around his eyes. And I look, I go, what in the hell? And you're. You know, I'm not going to ask because I'm busy. The coaching the game and the game. So we win the game and I go in the locker room and everyone's hugging each other. I go, what the hell happened to you? He goes. He was. I got carried away, man. All the players are headbutting everybody. I just started headbutting everybody. I thought it was a player. He forgot he didn't have a helmet on. So that's Mike Vrabel. He might head butt a little bit tomorrow.
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Annie Agar
That's the kind of coach.
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Urban Meyer
Love the guy.
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Annie Agar
Great, great coach. Tennessee should look for getting a coach like that.
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Mark Ingram II
There we go. Shots.
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Annie Agar
It's these little things. I have to get the.
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Mark Ingram II
Yeah, you gotta get it. You be getting yours off.
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Annie Agar
So you know they've got the history to back them up. I have nothing but jokes. So you guys are stuck with me. We're gonna take a short little break, and then we're gonna get into some more college football talk, because obviously we have some experts up here on that. But we'll be right back in a second. Thank you, guys.
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Matt Leinart
There's any more? Dude, they're hard. I have to order them through, like, Nike and all that stuff, so.
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Annie Agar
All right, guys.
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Matt Leinart
Oh, yeah. Well, yeah.
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Annie Agar
There we go. Now we're back. That was a quick break. Man, I hope those commercials are like that in the Super Bowl. Welcome back to the triple option. It's time for Crossroads, presented by nhtsa. As I said earlier, we all get distracted while we're driving, you guys. But how you handle these distractions can be a matter of life and death. Please put your phones on silent. Take a mental note to focus on driving. Paid for by nhtsa. Let's focus a little bit on college, okay? As you know, where we're probably going with this. Indiana Insane year. I genuinely can't believe it. As someone that grew up in Big Ten territory, this has got to be the wildest turnaround for a program I've ever seen. I think you guys just talked to Sigdetti.
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Matt Leinart
Yep.
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Annie Agar
Recently. So I want to break down, maybe just fill people in on what he's like. For the people that don't know Kurt Signetti. I mean, what. Explain what this man is, what this man has done to this program.
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Urban Meyer
Well, he.
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Matt Leinart
He recruited Mark Bama.
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Mark Ingram II
Yeah, he did. So he was the first person I saw from the University of Alabama. He flew to Flint, Michigan, and he came to recruit. Yep, yep, yep. He came and recruited me. And, man, he was just always, like, a straightforward guy. He kind of always had, like, a plan, and he told me, like, what he thought about me as a player and, like, where I would fit in and shoot. I went down there. I took a visit. I ended up going. You know, he started the recruiting process, but he's just always been, you know, a straightforward guy, kind of, like, trying to get. Trying to be the best. Like, always had a plan. Like, always, like, followed the right instructions, was always learning. And, shoot, he was with us for three years. He Took a gamble on himself, started being a head coach, I think at, like, Elon or something. Right. Like some small school. He just worked his way up. He's been a winner ever since he's been head coach and just a straightforward dude. But he thinks he has, like, a little sense of humor, too. He'd be, like, cracking jokes here and there, you know what I mean? So. But he's a good dude, man. He's a good guy. And, yeah, he just recruited me, man. So that's kind of like, some history there with Coach Signetti. I'm happy for him that he's doing such a great job in Indiana.
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Annie Agar
Did you reach out to him after?
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Mark Ingram II
Of course. Of course. Total congratulations. I haven't seen him in person since we saw him.
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Urban Meyer
We did.
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Mark Ingram II
Yep. Yep, we saw him. Big Ten championship. I mean, a Big Ten championship.
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Urban Meyer
Yep.
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Mark Ingram II
But super excited for him and his family, and he deserves all the success he's getting.
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Annie Agar
Matt, you want to talk?
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Matt Leinart
Yeah. I mean, I still think we. We still joke about it. Just like Indiana football is your national champions. And it's wild. But I. Coach could speak more on this as a coach, but I feel like he has this plan and this process and how he goes about. But it's one thing to have it, and then it's one thing to execute it. And obviously, coach executed at a high level, winning multiple national championships. But for Signetti, to have that and to get the most out of his players, because they aren't the most talented team, there's. There's no doubt about that. But they were the most fundamentally sound with the talent that they had because they had good players. And the way they played football, it was. It was like. It was kind of old school.
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Urban Meyer
Wow.
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Matt Leinart
It's like just like the offensive line perfectly moved in motion. The defensive line, they were always in the right place. And that's just. That's a direct reflection of coaching. I think you have great coaching in every position. So we covered them last couple games last year. They were fun to watch. They're going to have the number one pick in the draft, which is crazy. Next year or this year. In a couple months. But Signetti is a different captain. Different. He's. He's. He's just. Yeah, no nonsense. Which I love.
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Urban Meyer
So, yeah, I first met him 30 years ago. I was at Notre Dame, and he was at Pitt, and kind of a strange guy, you know, and we became friends, and then he was on Johnny Major's staff. He reminded us on the pod. And they offered me a job, and I Did take it. But we talked and laughed about it. But we covered them. Big Noon. Which are all on Big Noon Fox. Big Noon. We, we covered them two years ago and they started winning. And my history of Indiana is that usually hammered them pretty good.
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Mark Ingram II
Yeah.
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Urban Meyer
Just weren't very good. Yeah. And I remember watching the first half from the green room and this is when they started winning. I was thinking, wait a minute now, this is his well coached team. Their back shoulder throw. Remember they were the doctor of the back shoulder throw. You never see their defense give up big plays. They're great tacklers. The perimeter blocking is elite. Special to. Everything was working. I was like, I left these guys, I went out and I stood right next to Signetti. We'll ever kind of go wherever we want. I stood right on the sideline. I wanted to watch them. You know, as a coach, you can tell if this is an organized process, what's going on. And it was unbelievable. And that was a year ago. And then I was like a lot of people. So this house of cards has got to fall. There's no way that Indiana's Hoosiers.
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Mark Ingram II
Right.
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Urban Meyer
And they were so much better even this year. And it's a credit. I can say this. I'm almost 62, over 40 years. That's the greatest coaching job I have ever witnessed in my lifetime. What him and his staff. And it's not just him. He has two coordinators been with him for nine years. And the challenge will be. And you know this. Pete Carroll went through it. Nick Saban went through it. I went through it. Is when you start losing your coaches. Because those guys should be head coaches. What they've done. Yeah. If they're not, was it Mike Shanahan and then Brian Haynes, the defense coordinator who by the way worked for me at Ohio State. Those guys, what they did, I'm telling you, the best coaching job I've seen, 100%.
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Annie Agar
Brian Hartline just got hired too. Right. So it's kind of the same thing we see in the Brian Hartline. Yeah.
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Matt Leinart
Well, that's what made, I think Nick Saban in Bama as he was turning over guys every year and still winning, which was incredible. So it'll be interesting if Signetti can do that once he starts losing these guys.
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Annie Agar
Yeah. Yeah. I want to talk about Fernando Mendoza a little bit. We'll start with Matt on this because Fernando Mendoza, you know, one Heisman also won a Natty probably most likely will be the number one overall pick. And these guys kind of wanted to know. They said we want to see what you do. So I'll give you guys a look into what I do on social media. Okay, so he was in an interview the other day, and he said that he. Since he won the Natty, he's now addicted to winning. So I, of course, quote, tweeted that, and I said, well, the Raiders are about to help a kid beat an addiction, so, so good for them. Poor, poor Fernando. He's about to get.
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Mark Ingram II
Oh, my goodness.
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Annie Agar
But I do want to ask Matt what. Where does he rank in terms of number one overall picks, like, his success that he's had and where he's going to go in the NFL. Where do you think he ranks?
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Matt Leinart
I mean, it's. It's too hard. It's so hard to tell now, but I've. I've seen the narrative of a lot of guys out there saying, like, oh, he doesn't look like a number one pick, and this or that. It's like, I just. I. I kind of think that's B.S. you know, one. It's really hard when you're a top pick. You're going to the worst team in the NFL, and there's only been probably a handful of number one picks that can really just kind of transcend the team. You know, Andrew Luck was one. I mean, like, there's a couple guys, right? That's it. And then I think the thing with Fernando, though, and he's. He's a. He's such a different kid. Like, he's so, like, he's so smart and he's just football, and he's kind of like this innocent mindset, you know? But he's a hell of a football player. And I think what makes him so good, at least in my opinion, is he's really physically gifted now. Like, he can. He moves well. He can throw. He's a big kid. He's like six, four. But, you know, I played. I played with. And probably similar to Drew Brees, where. Who marked. I played with Kurt Warner, and Kurt Warner was. He's a Hall of Famer. He wasn't. He's 6 to 215 pounds, didn't have a great arm, but he was so great here. And that's where he. That's where he just beat you because he was accurate and he knew where to go with the football. And I think Fernando, that's like, the strength of his game, the way he processes before the snap, the way he can see the defense because he has the tools, too. So I think that, to me, is why I think he's Going to be successful. It's just hard. I mean, you look at Sam Darnold, he's the perfect story. That's been the big narrative. Didn't work out in New York. He was the third pick in the draft. And now look at his.
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Mark Ingram II
Anybody work out of New York?
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Matt Leinart
Exactly. So again, Fernando going to Vegas. Brady is there, which I think he's going to help probably more than people would think, but he's a hell of a player. He's a great kid. That kid is going to be successful. There's no doubt in my mind. And I think. I think they can build around him, you know?
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Annie Agar
Yeah, people don't have success till they leave New York.
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Mark Ingram II
Yeah. Yeah. Like.
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Annie Agar
And they do.
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Mark Ingram II
Well, Geno Smith did well when he left. Like, it's just. The jets are just. Oh, my goodness, man.
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Annie Agar
Yeah, jets and Giants.
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Mark Ingram II
The Raiders were so bad, though, this year. So bad.
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Matt Leinart
Well, they're just. Their roster. Their roster.
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Mark Ingram II
I mean, like, I've been watching football for a while, you know, and like, that was one of the worst football teams I ever.
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Matt Leinart
Raiders fans here? No, no.
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Mark Ingram II
I had Ashton J. In fantasy and I'll be watching the games and it was like sticking pencils in my eyes. It was just so bad. I'm like, oh, my goodness, man.
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Matt Leinart
Well, that's your fault for drafting them, though.
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Mark Ingram II
Well, I believed in the kid. Like, he's not. He's good.
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Matt Leinart
Believe in the whole line, though.
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Mark Ingram II
They suck. They were bad.
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Urban Meyer
I'm going to add this, and I just think the quarterback and Matt knows it's the most difficult position in all of sport. And they get blamed and they get all the glory and they deserve neither, you know, because there's one great common denominator of a great quarterback. You got great players around them, great team. And there's one common. Denevra shitty quarterback. And they got, you know, it's a shitty team. And Alex Smith played for me at Utah. That's like my son, he goes to 49ers and they. They were awful. And here's. Alex Smith's a bust. He's a bust. No, he's not a bust. Go let him play for Andy Reid at the Chiefs and see how much of a bust he is. Right. Or when Harbaugh went to the 49ers. So I worry about them. I wish there was. I think the ultimate quarterback factory has been the Green Bay Packers. The way they've done it, they draft a guy, they let him learn from a monster from an All Pro because the game changes from high school to College to the NFL. Just giant leaps and bounds and nothing. There's no other position in a sport that's more experience focused than the quarterback position.
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Mark Ingram II
Yep.
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Annie Agar
What a great program. Whoever's a fan of that program is a great fan.
- [23:48]
Urban Meyer
Packers. Yeah, you are.
- [23:49]
Annie Agar
I am.
- [23:50]
Matt Leinart
He's a die hard.
- [23:51]
Annie Agar
You missed it earlier.
- [23:52]
Mark Ingram II
He's a crazy cheese head.
- [23:54]
Annie Agar
Is my friend down here? No, he's not here anymore. I got it f the packers right when I stepped on stage. I'm not even in Chicago anymore, guys. Yeah.
- [24:01]
Matt Leinart
Why don't you tell the story about when your packers lost to the Bears and you walked down the street?
- [24:05]
Annie Agar
I don't remember that.
- [24:06]
Urban Meyer
That's.
- [24:07]
Annie Agar
Look, that's for my therapist only, okay? Okay. Well, we can't talk about college football without talking about NIL a little bit. Coach and I were talking about it earlier and I asked him. And I want to ask you guys this too, because it's changed a lot since you guys. Does that make you frustrated to see all. I mean, not frustrated, but like, you miss this huge wave of nil. It's just.
- [24:27]
Matt Leinart
I mean. Well, they were paying Bama players back.
- [24:29]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah, they were paying. They were paying usc. We know. We know how USC get down. So don't be throwing stones from a glass house, dog. They'll be throwing stones from a glass house, you know? What do you mean?
- [24:42]
Urban Meyer
What do you mean, bro?
- [24:46]
Matt Leinart
I think, you know, it's funny, I get. I get asked all the time and about.
- [24:50]
Mark Ingram II
God, you would have made a ton of money, though.
- [24:52]
Matt Leinart
Yeah, no, I would have made a lot of money in college.
- [24:53]
Mark Ingram II
You know.
- [24:56]
Urban Meyer
He would have broke the bank.
- [24:57]
Mark Ingram II
Golden golden boy, Lefty in la.
- [24:59]
Urban Meyer
Yeah.
- [25:00]
Mark Ingram II
Him and Reggie already had that money. You know, Maddie had that money, too.
- [25:04]
Urban Meyer
Shoot.
- [25:05]
Matt Leinart
You know, I. Yeah, I mean, I don't know. I was gonna ask, like. Oh, what would have been like. I don't know. Like, I just. I. I don't know any different. You know, it had been nice to make money, of course, but, like, I don't know if that would have changed me. I. I've seen, you know, we've all seen it. Like, money can change you, especially at that age. And now these kids are chasing money. They're going to teams left and right. And it's just. It's. It's. There's a lot of good in college sports now. I think there's a lot of good in college football and there's a lot of good in the nil. I believe that, but it is different. And, you know, my son. Gosh, my Oldest son is at SMU and he's, he's a scholarship athlete.
- [25:39]
Mark Ingram II
Just dropped him off.
- [25:40]
Matt Leinart
Just dropped him off.
- [25:44]
Mark Ingram II
It was my nephew out there. Smu. Yes, sir.
- [25:47]
Urban Meyer
Yeah.
- [25:47]
Matt Leinart
Uncle Mark, man. Uncle Mark. My son Cole loves Uncle Mark. He calls him the Durag.
- [25:52]
Mark Ingram II
What do you call the Durag? God.
- [25:54]
Matt Leinart
Durag God. And he's, I mean he's making money like the Dewey guy. Yeah, he's making money, which is crazy. It's like my, my 19 year old son is, can't even do his own laundry and now he's getting, he's getting rev share every month like, you know, so. And it's a good thing, like it's cool, but it's just different, you know, so I'm happy for these kids. I hope that they all can find good representation around them to help them make these good choices. But yeah, it's just a different world, you know? It's a different world.
- [26:22]
Urban Meyer
Yeah. Yeah.
- [26:23]
Annie Agar
When we were upstairs, I asked Coach and then you can elaborate on this. I said, would you, given the opportunity, would you come back and coach now? Because we know Saban pretty much wanted out because of Nil. Seemed like, would you come back and coach with all the NFL or Nil stuff and having to recruit, dealing with all that?
- [26:39]
Mark Ingram II
No, no, Coach is not coaching no more. He, he lives a good life, Dolphin.
- [26:44]
Urban Meyer
But I remember we, we did the Kansas game and Bill Self, the great basketball coach, I didn't know it came out, put his arm around me, said, man, you'd love this recruiting. I looked, I go, what? He said you would love the style of recruiting because back in the day you had to write letters, you had to text. I had a guy full time member of my staff. Everywhere I went. He went for 24, seven other than when I got in the car to drive home and I came back, he'd be waiting my office, he would text 400 people a day, recruits non stop. And he'd be sitting, I'd be doing my film being the staff meeting and he had carte blanche, he could interrupt me. Zeke Elliott just texted you Coach, and he's asking about, you know, whatever. And I would have to tell him stuff. And then when I drove home at night, he would hand me 10 phone numbers and all this stuff. Said you talked, you texted him yesterday and here's what it said. And I'm driving home, I'm trying to read this nonsense as I'm driving home. And I guess that's all gone now because now it's simply money. What's the number Transactional. It's transactional. We don't have to go to dinner with your parents. We don't have to meet your girlfriend and talk to the principal. What's the number? What's the number? And so it's, it's.
- [27:51]
Mark Ingram II
What's the number?
- [27:52]
Urban Meyer
Yeah, it's crazy. Which is amazing.
- [27:56]
Annie Agar
And these kids will never know the difference in that.
- [27:59]
Mark Ingram II
I think it's good for them. You know, I'm happy that these young, these young athletes can make money, you know, and obviously there's a lot of things that need to be fixed, but I think it's, the NCAA has generated so much money over all this time. You know, they had free labor, like, you know what I mean? So I'm just glad these young guys are, you're seeing like there is a lot of good nil. You see some of these young kids who have the right people, the right support system, they're impacting the community. They're, you know, learn how to invest it. Like these kids are going to be wealthy, younger and.
- [28:29]
Annie Agar
Yeah.
- [28:29]
Mark Ingram II
You know, so I think there's a lot of good in it, but there definitely needs to be something.
- [28:33]
Urban Meyer
I'm anxious to see the residual. If there is, if there is. I've always been a believer in education and life after ball like Saban and you know, this is all about a 40 year plan. Not nal runs out when you leave college.
- [28:45]
Mark Ingram II
Yep.
- [28:45]
Urban Meyer
I hope they know that.
- [28:46]
Mark Ingram II
Yep.
- [28:46]
Urban Meyer
And then most of them aren't going to play in the NFL.
- [28:48]
Mark Ingram II
Right.
- [28:49]
Urban Meyer
If they do not. And then they're 26 years old and they're gonna say, where's my nil?
- [28:53]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah, none. Now you gotta go to work and you can't leave. You can't leave because this boss gave you this job. You know what I mean? I can't just go to this corporate. You can't just bounce around. You got to learn how to like fight through adversity, go through the ups and downs. And usually when you do those things it makes you a better, you know, better person in life.
- [29:09]
Urban Meyer
And remember on the triple option or on big noon they said 40% or 35% of all transfer portal people that are promised by agents, we can get you a better deal. They don't get a better deal and they're left with a worse deal or out of the sport or out of a scholarship. It's almost like the media and people aren't covering that, but at some point that residual, if there is residual damage is going to start surfacing.
- [29:32]
Mark Ingram II
Well, there was 40% of like like close to 40%, 30 something percent of college football in the portal. Like every single person in that portal is not going to be on a roster.
- [29:43]
Matt Leinart
Most of them don't, most of them, they stop because they don't have a scholarship waiting for them which is ridiculous. I, I think it's great in the sense of unless you're, unless you're like a guaranteed first round pick. I mean like all these especially as a quarterback like the going rate and I, and I'm, I'm you know embellishing numbers a little bit. But like if you're starting quarterback in power four you're making like a minimum of $1.5 million. Probably like like at a rut curse or something. You're making a million and a half now if you go to BAMA you're making three, four, maybe $5 million.
- [30:16]
Mark Ingram II
CARSON B.
- [30:16]
Matt Leinart
That is crazy. And a lot of these kids aren't even first round grades so it's like stay in school as long as possible.
- [30:23]
Mark Ingram II
That's why they appealing and suing for seven years. I'm like you got to go to. You got to go somewhere.
- [30:27]
Matt Leinart
Sometimes we laugh, we're like six year. I'm like but I don't know.
- [30:31]
Urban Meyer
Like Carson Beck said he ain't been in class in two years.
- [30:34]
Mark Ingram II
That's a pro.
- [30:36]
Matt Leinart
He's making $5 million. That's life changing money for a kid. If you do even if you don't at that point you know. So like it's, it's a lot of good and I hope kids. Ty Simpson is interesting.
- [30:47]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah.
- [30:48]
Matt Leinart
Because he's the Alabama quarterback. He had a great year. He elected to come out. He turned down a $5 million offer to go somewhere or Tennessee or whatever.
- [30:57]
Urban Meyer
You're not going to make that.
- [30:58]
Matt Leinart
And he was, he's projected a first round. Yes they quarterback but still it's like I don't know you know, I don't like that would have been tough to turn down like but, but are you.
- [31:10]
Mark Ingram II
Waiting you a potentially better quarterback class next year. You know now you're not fall but.
- [31:15]
Matt Leinart
Then you make the five. I don't know. Yeah, it's, it's, it's an interesting I guess dilemma. It's not a dilemma. It's a good thing.
- [31:21]
Mark Ingram II
But you go first round. I mean you gotta go so you gotta slide man. Because I don't know if they wanted you know him to. They got some other quarter. You know. I mean you know how this college football thing is now.
- [31:31]
Urban Meyer
But.
- [31:31]
Matt Leinart
Yeah, yeah.
- [31:32]
Annie Agar
It's a weird time. Well we always know that. The good thing is Michigan will always need football players. You just have to be able to read the other team's signs. Okay, let's get transition back into. That was for coach. We'll transition back into the NFL here on this stage, you guys. There are combined six championships. It's pretty impressive. I've contributed zero. That's okay though.
- [31:54]
Mark Ingram II
I'm just here to host Shout out yourself now.
- [31:57]
Annie Agar
You know, I'm working on it. We want to discuss championship performances. This is powered by Verizon, America's best and most reliable network. We're going to play a little game. What I want you guys to do is give me your best championship performance. Now this could be NFL, could be college, could be a specific player, specific thing you remember. Best championship performance. As a Packers fan, I don't know what that is. So I'm going to sit this one out. Especially NFC championship.
- [32:24]
Matt Leinart
You know, Brett Farber. Farber.
- [32:28]
Annie Agar
Which hall of fam quarterback. That enough coach already talked about that. No. Best championship performance. Mark, do you have one?
- [32:34]
Mark Ingram II
I'll start is I could go NBA.
- [32:37]
Annie Agar
Yeah, anything, whatever you think.
- [32:39]
Matt Leinart
NBA.
- [32:40]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah. One that comes to mind is LeBron James 2016. They were down 3:1 to the. Yeah.
- [32:48]
Annie Agar
There he is.
- [32:50]
Urban Meyer
Come on, man.
- [32:50]
Matt Leinart
You got warriors fans here.
- [32:52]
Mark Ingram II
I'm sorry, man, but everyone know that they was up 3:1. You know, the best team in, you know, the NBA. He was down 3:1. He goes for a triple double in game.
- [33:02]
Urban Meyer
Was there for two of them. Was there for.
- [33:03]
Mark Ingram II
He goes for a triple double in game seven. And. And he finishes the 31 comeback on the Warriors. That was ridiculous when he pinned the.
- [33:13]
Urban Meyer
Ball in the backboard on the defensive.
- [33:15]
Mark Ingram II
It's all good.
- [33:15]
Matt Leinart
Is that the Hit the shot.
- [33:17]
Urban Meyer
Kyrie hit the shot.
- [33:19]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah, Kyrie. Yeah. One of the best.
- [33:22]
Urban Meyer
He was here on the road too.
- [33:23]
Matt Leinart
Y here three 1.
- [33:25]
Mark Ingram II
Come back on the Warriors.
- [33:27]
Annie Agar
All right, Matt. Oh.
- [33:33]
Matt Leinart
That was an ass kicking to the Sooner.
- [33:35]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah, let's get that.
- [33:39]
Matt Leinart
Oh, 20 years ago. You're so stupid.
- [33:50]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah, baby. Show the people. Man.
- [33:53]
Urban Meyer
That's nil all over.
- [33:54]
Annie Agar
Say how much nil would you you gotten from that wild.
- [33:57]
Mark Ingram II
That boy had that flow going, that boy, you know.
- [34:00]
Matt Leinart
Yeah, I had a lot of hair back then, I would say. I mean that was. That was a great game. That was a fun game to be a part of. I I hate bringing up but Vince Young, when he beat us in Texas was 20 years later and I love Vy. He's a great dude, a great friend. He like, he was one of the Best college football players I've ever seen. I played with Reggie Bush who in my opinion is one of the best, maybe top two of all time. Maybe best. Vy is right up there. Like just to watch him in person. I mean he single handedly beat us. Like he, I mean that was back to back Rose bowl games because I think the year before was Michigan. He had like 600 yards of offense. The gear against us. He had 500 and something running, throwing. He. That was as impressive as I've seen. And then I, I mean the, the Brady comeback against the Falcons to me is just still.
- [34:52]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah, that was ridiculous.
- [34:53]
Matt Leinart
Like in the super bowl being down 20, 28, 3. I don't care who you are, that's like, you know, in the NFL you have only three or four possessions and a half if you're lucky. And that, that to me is still the greatest comeback I've ever seen in football. It was just ridiculous. Like it all started happening.
- [35:13]
Mark Ingram II
Dante Hightower, Zach fumble. Yeah. Bama boy.
- [35:18]
Matt Leinart
So those two stick out.
- [35:20]
Urban Meyer
I want to go back for guys on the stage. 08 I was at Florida and we were number. No, we were number two. Mark was number one, right?
- [35:28]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah.
- [35:28]
Urban Meyer
No, at Alabama.
- [35:29]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah.
- [35:30]
Urban Meyer
Because the next year we flipped it.
- [35:31]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah.
- [35:31]
Urban Meyer
And Tebow put on Tim Tebow. I coached him in Florida and he put on one of the greatest shows in that game and we beat whoever won that SEC championship game. Alabama, Florida is going to win the title.
- [35:41]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah.
- [35:41]
Urban Meyer
And we won. We beat Oklahoma the next year. The next game killed. But then 09 your championship performance in that game we. Every time I see Mark with the Heisman I feel like signing the side of it because I'm. We gave that Heisman, he had 200 plus all purpose yards against us in that championship.
- [35:59]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah, I appreciate you coach.
- [36:01]
Urban Meyer
You know, sign that thing.
- [36:02]
Mark Ingram II
We went back to back man, you got us in 08. I needed my get back in 09. You know then we played in 2010. But you said you allegedly didn't close that team.
- [36:10]
Urban Meyer
Huh.
- [36:10]
Mark Ingram II
I always tell him I'm 2 and 1 versus him.
- [36:12]
Urban Meyer
He says 1, 1 and 1.
- [36:13]
Mark Ingram II
I'm like I have footage coaching this team.
- [36:15]
Urban Meyer
He did coach.
- [36:17]
Mark Ingram II
He doesn't claim his team.
- [36:18]
Urban Meyer
Very good team.
- [36:18]
Mark Ingram II
So he doesn't claim his team.
- [36:20]
Urban Meyer
We lost our whole team.
- [36:21]
Matt Leinart
So. So that sounds like an excuse.
- [36:23]
Urban Meyer
It doesn't count.
- [36:24]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah, it doesn't count.
- [36:27]
Urban Meyer
So one on one, we're one and one. Yeah.
- [36:29]
Mark Ingram II
But I appreciate that coach. Man. Yeah, you're a good one man. You, you hurt my feelings. You said oh Big Ass is running.
- [36:35]
Urban Meyer
Down the field, and I never thought we'd be partners. Like.
- [36:37]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah, yeah. So I get. When I get on Big Noon, I get hired at Big Noon. You know, the news breaks, I get this text. Coach Meyer, he's like, man, he's like, we're finally on the same team. I said, damn right. Finally. Finally, we on the same team.
- [36:52]
Matt Leinart
I got a great story telling the Heisman night.
- [36:55]
Urban Meyer
Oh, yeah, tell him.
- [36:56]
Matt Leinart
So. So in 2004, it was me. So I won the Heisman. Adrian Peterson finished second. It was Jason White. It was Alex Smith. So he was there with Alex for Utah. And back then, there was no real cameras, no nothing like you. If you won the hot. And maybe with you, too. I don't know. You were.09.
- [37:18]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah.
- [37:19]
Matt Leinart
So, like, it was like, you got a limo.
- [37:21]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah.
- [37:21]
Matt Leinart
And you got, like, the keys to the city.
- [37:24]
Mark Ingram II
They upgrade you to that big suite.
- [37:26]
Matt Leinart
Yeah. Limo all night. Any club, anything you wanted. It was like a free night in New York. Yeah.
- [37:32]
Urban Meyer
And it was.
- [37:33]
Matt Leinart
It was awesome.
- [37:33]
Mark Ingram II
It was.
- [37:35]
Matt Leinart
We get in the limo, and it's me, my. I think my brother. It was Herb Street. It was ap. It was. I think Fowler was in there. It was Coach. It was Alex.
- [37:48]
Urban Meyer
Yeah. Yeah.
- [37:49]
Matt Leinart
A couple other guys and maybe a couple other guys. A couple of the Heisman guys.
- [37:53]
Urban Meyer
I wasn't in there right away. Remember? What happened?
- [37:55]
Matt Leinart
Well, so. Yes, what happened?
- [37:56]
Urban Meyer
So. So I go see Alex Smith. I just take the Florida job, and Herb Street's. Text me, hey, we're going out. We're going to some club in la.
- [38:04]
Matt Leinart
Or we're in New York.
- [38:05]
Urban Meyer
We're New York. We're some club. And I'm not going to some club in New York. And so I'm going to meet Alex Smith's family for after the Heisman's over. And. And so I. I'm walking to go meet Alex's mom and dad and. And Herb Street's like, yeah, we're out back. Rock. Come on. You. You got to come with us, or, I want to see you and all that. So I'm walking. I'm not even thinking. I'm headed to see Pam and Doug, Alex's parents, and I'm walking. All of a sudden, the door swings open to this limo, and it's like a frat party. These guys grab me. I'm a grown man, and they grab me and yank me, and they close the door, and I'm, like, leaning over like this. I look up like, what the shit? There's student athletes in there driving, going, get me out of this.
- [38:44]
Mark Ingram II
Student athletes. Student athletes.
- [38:48]
Urban Meyer
And I'm thinking, I just got hired in Florida, so. And there was some guy named Guido in that. Remember that guy sitting there? And so they pull up to some like, big club in New York City and there's a long line of people and these guys are all fired up. And I said, yeah, you're going with us. Yeah, I'm going with you. And they all start going. I walk around back in an Uber and go back.
- [39:10]
Matt Leinart
That was the first time I ever met you, I think. Yeah.
- [39:13]
Annie Agar
What an intro.
- [39:14]
Mark Ingram II
There's student athletes in here drinking.
- [39:18]
Matt Leinart
The next year, the next.
- [39:19]
Urban Meyer
How old school does that sound?
- [39:21]
Matt Leinart
Not anymore. The next year, Reggie won and it was me, Reggie and Vince Young. And wow. I. I knew I wasn't winning, so I was like, I was just there to party with the boys because I was like, I had no shot.
- [39:33]
Urban Meyer
Yeah.
- [39:34]
Matt Leinart
And so I was just riding Reggie's coattails.
- [39:36]
Urban Meyer
One of first, Reggie won a second.
- [39:38]
Matt Leinart
Yeah. Back then, Carson won it. There was a year in between. So we had won three out of three out of four. But yeah, that, that.
- [39:45]
Mark Ingram II
I just remember New York night is fun.
- [39:48]
Matt Leinart
We were at some club.
- [39:49]
Mark Ingram II
We send it and it was me, send it that night. Send it, send it. Full send.
- [39:56]
Annie Agar
Don't you know what that means?
- [39:57]
Matt Leinart
I was at a table at a little small table. I think it was Club Butter at the time. Remember Club Butter? I don't know if anyone knows it was Butter. Me and Jay Z. And I was like, what. What the hell am I doing at this table?
- [40:11]
Urban Meyer
I don't.
- [40:12]
Matt Leinart
That was it. And like two other guys in this little tight ass table. And I was just like, man, Reg, this is awesome, dude. We just had a.
- [40:18]
Urban Meyer
We had.
- [40:19]
Matt Leinart
We had a blast, man. They can't. You can't really do it anymore.
- [40:22]
Urban Meyer
They.
- [40:22]
Matt Leinart
I think they allow you to do whatever you want, but like, they just can't get involved anymore. It's just too much liability.
- [40:28]
Urban Meyer
1.
- [40:29]
Matt Leinart
I think a couple of the Heisman winners might have ruined that.
- [40:34]
Mark Ingram II
It's a full Ascend.
- [40:35]
Matt Leinart
Yeah.
- [40:38]
Annie Agar
You don't know what that is. I'm sure your kids can tell you what that means. Okay, we're gonna transition in back to super bowl here because we gotta make our picks, you guys, then you can go party and. Okay, super bowl picks. This is presented by Kraft. You guys. The cheese stands alone. Protein cheese sticks. We have some up here.
- [40:58]
Matt Leinart
Look at this. We'll be passing these out.
- [41:00]
Urban Meyer
Here's one.
- [41:01]
Annie Agar
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- [41:15]
Matt Leinart
He changed back. He changed back.
- [41:16]
Urban Meyer
What do you say?
- [41:17]
Annie Agar
What'd he say?
- [41:17]
Matt Leinart
He commented on Robert Kraft's Instagram.
- [41:19]
Annie Agar
Oh, you showed me that.
- [41:20]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah, he did.
- [41:21]
Annie Agar
Yeah.
- [41:21]
Matt Leinart
Good. He kind of. He was feeling the heat, I think.
- [41:23]
Annie Agar
Yeah. For someone who.
- [41:24]
Matt Leinart
Go win one, coach. Go win one.
- [41:27]
Annie Agar
Okay, we're gonna make our picks. I want your super bowl prediction and your mvp.
- [41:32]
Mark Ingram II
Mvp.
- [41:32]
Annie Agar
Start mark. Mvp. The MVP is a tough one. I feel like.
- [41:38]
Mark Ingram II
I'm going with Seattle in this game. I just feel like they have a bunch of juice. Obviously, I respect Mike Vrabel a lot. I respect the Patriots and what they stand for as a team. But I just think there's something special about the Seahawks team. I feel like they got a lot of juice on offense. Jackson, Smith and Jigba, I think they made one of the best trades at the mid season, getting Rashid Shahid. Kenneth Walker's playing extremely well. The defense, like I said earlier, they could rush four and drop seven against Drake, May and that team, they've given up like 15 sacks already this postseason. So I just think Seattle has too much juice. I think their defense is strong. I think they're. I think they're gonna get it done. And my mvp, I would like it to. As a running back, I'd like to see Kenneth Walker, Jackson, Smith and Jigba, but. Well, usually when a receiver has a good game, the quarterback gets the reward because he gets all the numbers too. So I think Sam Darnold will be the MVP for the Seattle Seahawks winning Super Bowl.
- [42:32]
Annie Agar
I like it. Matt.
- [42:34]
Matt Leinart
I mean, I was gonna say the same thing. Yeah. I just. I don't know. I think this game is interesting. I think it's going to be a low scoring game. Seattle's defense is just the difference maker. I. I love Drake May too. I think he's great. I just don't know if they have enough firepower. And Seattle's so good on that side and the way Sam has played and they just, they're explosive with JSN and then Kenneth and so I like it to be a low scoring game. I think Seattle covers the game. And again, Sam Darnold, USC Trojan, is your mvp, which is not going out on a limb, but I'm just trying not to overthink it. So.
- [43:13]
Urban Meyer
Just thinking, Smith, Jigba was the second over. He was overlooked at Ohio State. Covered him all those years. Number two, number two, Guy and. But I'm going to go with Mike Vrabel just. I know I'm very biased, but he's been a part of back to back Super Bowls as a player. He learned from the best organization at the time, the Patriots, and he's got him back. One of the great turnarounds in NFL history and I just think it's going to be a low scoring game and lowest scoring games. Guys like Mike Vrabel, this player is going to play like him. They're going to be a tough outfit on Sunday. So I'm going to pick the Patriots and Drake May as the mvp. With his legs, I think he's going to run a bunch. I think he's going to get scrambled. He's going to be a first down guy in those kind of games. He's going to be the first down guy.
- [44:01]
Annie Agar
Scramble in that Denver game, he called his own number. I'm glad you said that because it would have been a clean sweep because I too, I'm going Seattle, I think I've been saying by two scores, which.
- [44:10]
Matt Leinart
Everybody'S kind of getting on me about two scores.
- [44:12]
Annie Agar
Yeah. I hope it's not. I hope it's not very confident.
- [44:16]
Urban Meyer
What's the number? Is it four and a half?
- [44:18]
Annie Agar
Yeah, four and a half. I hope it's a closer game, but.
- [44:21]
Mark Ingram II
We deserve a good game.
- [44:22]
Annie Agar
We deserve a good game.
- [44:23]
Mark Ingram II
We deserve a good game. Like we don't want to watch no blowout.
- [44:26]
Annie Agar
One of the best NFL seasons.
- [44:27]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah.
- [44:28]
Annie Agar
Just storyline wise, drama wise. Halfway through, we had no idea who's gonna make it to the Super Bowl. We knew it wasn't gonna be the Bills, but other than that, we did know. All right, you guys, that is all from us. Thank you for joining for this amazing show crossover between throwbacks and triple option. Again, like I said, if you had a great time at the super bowl experience, share it with the Bills fan because they may never see it ever in their lifetime. So thank you guys so much.
- [44:52]
Matt Leinart
Thank you guys for coming out.
- [44:54]
Mark Ingram II
Thank you. Appreciate y'.
- [44:55]
Urban Meyer
All.
- [44:57]
Matt Leinart
Good job.
- [44:58]
Urban Meyer
Good job.
- [44:59]
Mark Ingram II
Yeah, you killed that.
- [45:00]
Matt Leinart
Thank you.
- [45:03]
Annie Agar
Light it.
- [45:06]
Urban Meyer
What.