A (5:10)

What?

B (5:10)

And Rob, for What, for calling out Ole Miss?

D (5:14)

Yeah. They call him a whiner. Why is he whining? And you better get with the Joneses and, you know, the condom.

A (5:19)

A snitch.

D (5:21)

Yeah, yeah. Where dad was doing the right thing. Turn him in.

A (5:24)

Yeah, for sure.

D (5:25)

Absolutely. Turn him in. 100. If nothing happens, like you said, there is no governance, there's no rules, and it'll be the most chaotic, which it already is.

A (5:34)

Right.

D (5:34)

So I'm disappointed, Mark and Rob, but that's not the first time.

A (5:38)

Well, the NCAA has a chance to make a stance. Everyone that says, what does the NCAA have to do anymore? Which everyone thinks NCAA is basically lost right now. So they have a chance to make a stand. Here you have a linebacker who committed, who moved to Clemson, who is actively in class. And you have the DC and the head coach from another said school allegedly texting the man while he's in class, offering him a deal, upping the deal again. If that's not tampering, I don't know what is. And if there is no tampering, then we have a problem in college football right now. So the NCAA has a chance to take a stance. What'd you say?

D (6:24)

I just think. I think Rob read the rule. You got the rule there, Rob, right? Yeah, read the rule. So everybody knows that there is. Because that's the first thing I said. Is there really. Is this an unwritten rule or is this a rule? If it's a rule, then you better enforce the rule.

B (6:38)

So, all right, so we're talking about the NCAA right now. And again, to your point, coach, they processed 90 tampering cases last year, and the NCAA did confirm.

A (6:46)

Process.

B (6:47)

Yeah, whatever. Process means that they. They confirmed that they are involved in this current matter that we're talking about the rule right now. Teams are not allowed to tamper with athletes according to NCAA bylaw March 31, 1.1.4. All right, so that's a lot of. That's a lot of dots when you have to go that deep into something that tells you something, whatever that is. Punishment. According to the NCAA manual, Ole Miss, they could receive a Level 2 violation if it contacted Forelli after he was enrolled at Clemson. Certainly appears that's the case. The punishment could worsen if Ole Miss gave Farrelli money to lure him to the Rebels. I don't know if I'm getting a text in class saying, how about a million for a year? And then they double it to 2 million, 2 years. That feels like that was money to lure him to Ole Miss. That's the way I look at it. Unless they're saying you actually have to have hard cash in your hand in a bag. Like there has to be a bad guy that hands it to you. Last tampering case, guys to be punished by the NCAA. 2023, Southern Utah, their head coach.

A (7:50)

Are we in stone?

B (7:51)

We're in 2026. Barely. We're barely in 2026.

D (7:54)

Oh, southern Utah.

B (7:55)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. The bad boys of Southern Utah contacted two student athletes from other schools who are not entered into the portal. Punishment was handed down in 2024. It was a level two penalty, $5,000 fine. Okay. For Southern. Listen, for Southern Utah, maybe 5k fine is a lot for Ole Miss. They're like, what? That's, that's in the, that's nothing. That's loose. A year probation, a game suspension and a two year cause for Fitzgerald.

A (8:23)

So show caused, whatever that is.

B (8:25)

Yeah, the old two year show cause. So again if Southern Utah. And again, this is no disrespect to Southern Utah and I don't even want to drag them into this conversation. But, but a Southern Utah, you know, and, and, and the, the school that was done wrong by Southern Utah comes out and says this, that doesn't make a ripple, doesn't make any noise. I think if Clemson and Dabo Sweeney, who are certainly in the upper echelon of college football, if they come out and, and I give Dabo and Clemson credit for, for standing up for what is perceived to be right. Listen, I'm sure there's some things in the closet at every university, right? Some things that they're not that proud of. But, but dabble to get up there on that podium and spend about 10 plus minutes talking about the state of college football. It's about damn time. Yeah, it's about damn time. And it's about damn time that somebody at a higher level, a big boy in college football, stood up and said that's, that's enough. And, and my hope is that other head coaches will follow his lead. You know, it's really fascinating what's going on at Clemson right now, guys. If you go online to the Clemson roster and you go to Luke Forelli's bio, it says click here for Luke Forelli's timeline at Clemson. Okay. Click it. You know where it takes you Right to Dabo's ten plus minute rant.

D (9:43)

Wow.

B (9:44)

So give that administrator a raise. Clemson. You know the other thing about Forelli originally committed to Arizona, changed his mind, committed to Stanford before finally flipping to Cal. Okay, so that's that's three places.

D (10:00)

Red shirt, third uncle. There's some third uncles involved in it.

B (10:03)

That's what I'm saying. It just does it great. The kid took a red shirt year, had a really strong season as a linebacker. Year one at Cal. Interception, a fumble recovery, 91 total tackles. It was a three star recruit coming out. But he was a hot linebacker recruit in the transfer portal. And what I love another line about Dabo is he said, and again, dabo doesn't dabble in the portal. Right. But they took 11 guys. They took 11 guys out of the portal. That's a program record this year. But he said we wanted one linebacker, okay? That was on our shopping list. One linebacker. We got our linebacker, we signed our linebacker and we canceled the other visits. We told the other kids, you'll go spend your time elsewhere. Go. Go get an education and some playing time somewhere else. So they stopped it and now they're out that one linebacker. And I think that kind of sucks. And it kind of sucks that Duke lost their quarterback, Darian Mensah as well, who goes into the transfer portal on the last day of the portal after when he signed the contract with a signed contract and already committing. And now Duke has come to this resolution with him and his company. His company's name, of course, Coach is what?

D (11:19)

Oh, what the.

A (11:20)

Young Money.

B (11:21)

Young Money.

D (11:22)

Young Money. Young.

B (11:23)

There's a lot of young money out there in college football these days.

D (11:26)

Now I got a meeting with Young Money.

B (11:28)

Do you?

D (11:29)

No, no. Young Money. What? By the way, Mark, can you imagine.

B (11:34)

Meeting Urban Meyer and Young money.

D (11:36)

Young Money.

A (11:36)

Hey, I don't put it past coach, man. He's versatile. Next thing I know, he going to be sponsoring the we the best Khaled tournament. You know what I mean? You know that boy. Young Money times used to be all.

D (11:48)

About the graduation rates. What's your business major like? What's your life after sport program? Right now it's let's meet with the young money and great contracts. So Young money don't believe in contracts.

A (12:01)

Obviously, so far is no longer at Cleft and Stone. Or is that what you're telling me?

B (12:05)

Ole Miss. He's gone. He's out. Mark. The coaches, they were texting him, calling him. They literally went to his newly rented apartment and he was in the driveway ready to leave. And they were still trying to.

A (12:18)

Yeah. For re.

B (12:19)

Recruit him back to the campus that he was on and was lifting at and taking classes at and in meetings. And he jumped in his new car, hit. Hit town. So I think it's gonna be fascinating because you're right, coach. It definitely feels like there's a smoking gun right there. And not only is it a smoking gun, it's not a smoking gun at Southern Utah. This is a smoking gun at Clemson and an Ole Miss team that was this close to getting to the national championship game.

D (12:43)

Well, the, the AD also at Clemson said that the NCAA is alerting them that they have something that quite honestly didn't happen very often and that is people are willing to do what Dabo did, say we're going to turn this in.

B (12:56)

Yeah. The NCAA is always.

D (12:59)

Yeah. And no one would, you know, you'd hear this player accepting a gift. You turn it in, the player or the family would refuse to help. And so the NCAA does not have subpoena power. They don't have any legal power.

B (13:12)

What power?

D (13:12)

Other than the enforcement, what power does.

B (13:14)

The NCAA have right now to enforce this rule?

D (13:17)

Yeah, but now they have something that's unusual. They have. They have it. They don't have the subpoena to get the text messages. They have it. So the investigation process, I think everybody will watch this. Cause this is very unique. They have it all. It's over. It's over. So next week we should hear that whatever the punishment should happen. If that doesn't happen, what fumes are left of the ncaa? I think they should just disband. I want to say this too, Mark. I'm not sure, but understands what the NCAA is. NCAA is made up of member institutions. You know, who's on all these committees, the enforcement committees are presidents, the so called CEOs of the universities. They're, you know, I think they're complicit. Without me all. I don't think I know this. I was in it long enough to be like, wait, what a minute, wait a minute, who's on this committee? And they're allowing this to take place.

A (14:12)

But listen here. So he leaves, obviously they have the goods, right, to be able to, you know, hand over to the ncaa. Let me just tell you, this is not a heavy hit though. You, you said, what did you say? It was a level 2 penalty, 5k fine which I could pay.

B (14:29)

That was the Southern. That was the Southern Utah example a couple years back. Yeah.

A (14:33)

So that was the comparable penalty. Right. They're saying it could be a level two penalty.

B (14:38)

I don't know if it's quite all that.

D (14:41)

Nothing matters. That what, what happens to the player if he stays, if he stays at Ole Miss, then every coach in the.

B (14:49)

Country is just going to keep Doing it.

D (14:50)

Yeah, yeah.

B (14:53)

So listen, we in, in the sporting world, in the media world, we complain, we find problems and we bitch about it, right? So let's not, let's stop bitching about it because we all agree this is wrong and this is demented. It shouldn't be happening.

A (15:06)

What is the fix?

B (15:08)

So what is.

A (15:08)

We all need.

B (15:09)

So what is the fix? Right? And, and I think it's really simple and basic to say right or wrong. Let's just get a commissioner, right? Like, and again, remember, everything is going the NFL model. Everything is going.

D (15:21)

Why? Why though? Why? I, I think we're missing the point. They, they already said, let's start another commission. So now you have another enforcement arm that's supposed to enforce the nil.

B (15:31)

The nil stuff.

D (15:32)

I can help you with that. That's not going to work.

B (15:34)

Correct.

D (15:35)

So you don't need more rules. You don't need more people. You need to enforce the rules.

B (15:40)

Who's going to enforce it? It's not the ncaa, right? It has to be somebody else.

D (15:45)

Well, there has to be an enforcement arm, right? I don't think a commissioner without any power is going to do the same thing. So what you can name it. They already got the president of the ncaa. So you want another person in charge of.

B (15:57)

I don't want any more people. I don't want any more people that are ineffective.

D (16:01)

I'd love to get. Can we get the president of the NCAA on here and say, what the hell you doing?

B (16:05)

I would refresh this.

D (16:06)

I would love to ask him, say, just hey, questions. Yeah, I got a lot of respect and everything. What are you gonna do? Yeah, well, again, can you imagine that answer?

B (16:16)

Well, well, a, a, I doubt they would. Come on. Right. That, that doesn't sound like a win win for them, you know, but I get, I go to my point of, of this commissioner. That sounds very basic and I understand it, but guess what? It works in all the, it works in the professional leagues, right? And I know it's not as many institutions. We're dealing with different type of humans. And, and it's not apples, but the NFL has a really good commissioner. Right? That works, obviously, and he's paid for by the owners, right? So it's not by the players or the university. So again, this is not an apple to apple conversation, but at some point, for the good of college football, everybody needs to come together and be like a kumbaya moment. And the SEC in the Big Ten, hey guys, can we come together? Like they can't even figure out the Playoffs. Right now they're battling over the number of teams to be in the playoffs. Are they going to be battling? And again, this isn't. This is an SEC ACC problem now. And, and this, this issue did go to the commissioners. Right. If you're Phillips, the ACC commissioner, and you're calling Sankey, how do you think that phone call is going? I pissed. Pissed if I was the ACC. ACC's getting. They're not getting screwed twice because mens is going from ACC most likely to a allegedly to ACC team allegedly going from Duke to Miami, which. Listen, it's. Listen, you're not jumping in the transfer portal on the last day after you committed to be a starting quarterback of the ACC champion Duke Blue Devils unless.

A (17:34)

You know for sure. No, you're getting that somewhere else. I'm getting that young money. You know what I mean?

B (17:42)

We're laughing.

A (17:45)

Like. Like the fix is this. You sign a damn contract. Nowhere can you just go and breach the contract without some type of repercussions.

B (17:53)

Except in college athletics.

A (17:54)

Except for college football right now. College athletics.

B (17:57)

So, you know, all right, Coach, you miss coaching.

D (18:02)

You know, and I remember sitting with Eric Shanks and he said that this is chaos. Keep the chaos coming because their viewership's never been higher. Big Noon has never been higher. The. It's incredible. The playoff triple action is up the game. Everything is going great 100%. Let me answer that question. How's it going?

A (18:21)

You asked.

D (18:21)

The problem is. The problem is. Let me finish, Mark with this. That the problem is you're setting examples for these young guys that. And at some point that, that, that linebacker that just left Clemson, at some point, he's not going to run as fast, jump as high and be able to tackle as well. And he's got to rely on a network, a college, you know, the college network, the collegiate experience.

B (18:44)

Yes.

D (18:45)

Your friends, your teammates and go live your life and get a functional job. And I don't know this kid, so he might be fine with that regard. It does. It sounds like there's some chaos in his life. But.

B (18:55)

But again, Coach, if you're getting a million dollars and you're in college.

D (18:59)

A billion, though. I mean, too many compared. I mean, no, it's great. That's great. And you know how much he's keeping. Right?

B (19:06)

Right.

D (19:06)

Taxes. How many agents?

B (19:07)

Taxes. Agent fees. Yeah.

A (19:09)

He take home less than 500, you know. But hey, to answer your question, you ask coach a good question. Does he miss coaching? Let me tell you, he does not miss coaching. Cause I was just in Sarasota. And my boy had that 50 foot boat on the water. He was captaining that ship. He pulled it right up to the restaurant. We walked in, it had his two tables and we was living a good life, a blessed life. A sunset cruise with coach Urban Meyer with captain.

D (19:36)

How about the landing with the boat? How about the boat just cruise slipped right in this. Nice, nice.

A (19:42)

Come on, man.

B (19:44)

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A (19:57)

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I've, I've been with Captain Meyer. My family has been with Captain Meyer. My boys have been flipping off the back of your boat out at that burger joint. What was the, what's the name of that burger joint out there?

D (20:11)

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B (20:12)

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D (20:12)

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B (20:13)

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D (24:21)

Yeah, Gary and I grew up in the profession together. One of the finest coaches out there. What a great hire. You know, I think Lincoln, Lincoln Rally has proven that. He really don't. He wants to. He's not going to change. You know, there's been, you know, he saw it at Oklahoma, Mark, he saw it at usc. Very good offenses, bad defenses, and they lose at the end. No, they, they win, but they can't finish the job. And there's a couple of choices you have. One is do what Ryan Day did. Give up play call and become the head coach and hire someone. He's not done that. He won't do it now. I'm sure the AD asked him to do it for us to take the next step. Instead, he went and got a former head coach. He's going, he's going to. I think Gary's going to be a big bonus for those guys. He's one of the best coaches I was around growing up in the profession.

B (25:10)

And you get the sense too, Gary is not a former head coach that's going to be after his job, if you know what I mean. Right. He is. He's there just to be a team player. Loves to get back into an awesome hire. We watch out for usc, right when, when the AP preseason rankings come out, USC is going to be in that top five and they've got a great chance to make it four straight Big Ten programs. Four straight Big Ten programs. USC has a chance to make USC in Oregon. Yeah, you heard it here.

D (25:35)

You're throwing it out there, Rob.

B (25:37)

It's January, man. I can throw out a lot of stuff right now. Speaking of coaching hires, Ohio State once again going to the NFL. Well, they name 43 year old Arthur Smith as offensive coordinator. Smith, remember, was the head coach the Atlanta Falcons for three years. Most recently the offensive coordinator for the Pittsburgh Steelers. So coach the Buckeyes now have former NFL guys in charge of the offense and the defense.

D (26:03)

Yeah, back in the day you never really went that direction because a good percentage of your job was recruiting and NFL guys never recruited. And at places like Ohio State you can't train people to recruit. You better have experience. But those days are long gone now. They're not even going to recruit. The coordinators don't go on the road. They are a full time. They're no different than the NFL. So I think it's a great hire. The other thing you always had budget limitations on. You had something called a salary pool. Those don't exist anymore either. There are no salary pools for the coaches.

A (26:38)

You mean coach?

D (26:39)

Yeah. So I mean back in the day it was like, I mean, this is long time, $2 million. You have to hire your whole staff.

A (26:45)

Yeah.

D (26:45)

Then $3 million. I never a bowling green. It was 150,000. I mean, it was terrible. But now there's no, I mean there, there's no salary pool. You just go hire whoever you want to hire. They're going to find the money. And obviously, heck of a coach. Now you have two, four.

B (27:01)

How about that?

D (27:02)

Two former NFL head coaches as you're corner offensive defense.

A (27:06)

That's appealing.

D (27:06)

That's a hell of a deal. No appealing to the player, but no recruiting. There's no. This is all money now. I mean, it's really unbelievable. You think what's happened in the last.

B (27:17)

Five years definitely sounds like a trend as well, right?

D (27:22)

Sure.

B (27:22)

You know, it's a follow the leader type world out there. And, and we saw how well it worked with Patricia last year on the defensive side. You know, it's interesting though, about, about this hire and actually let me start with this coach. The, the take in Columbus on this hire. I. It's reading about it feels like it's a little bit of a mixed bag. What is the vibe you're getting within Ohio State about this hire?

D (27:45)

I've heard a little bit. Coach State told me kind of which direction he's going to be headed without going in too far detail. But I think the Ohio State's jumping all over themselves because they got. They see the map, Patricia, as the template to go hire someone, someone that's going to focus on scheme. And you know, this Arthur Smith's got to be one of the best in the business at it, what he's done in his career. And again, you just eliminated. There was a time, I would say maybe 75% of your job was recruiting. When I was in the fcc, people were getting hired not because of football acumen, how many players you could get. That's all gone. That's gone now. It's simply how much money do you have? And go hire the best strategy guys you can.

B (28:28)

You know who's going to love this hire Mark? Bo Jackson. Bo Jackson. So remember Arthur Smith played guard at the University of North Carolina. His background is on that offensive line. The offensive line had some question marks and I think the Ohio State O line and maybe the offense in general, you know, it showed some flaws those last two games, both of them losses, scoring just 24 points. So remember, this is a guy who coached your buddy Derrick Henry in Tennessee, Tyler Alier, Bijan Robinson. So he's known more as kind of an offensive line running type guy. And I think there's some fear in Columbus, like, well, wait a second, we're really good at passing the ball. And that's where Ryan Day comes in. And I think it's, it feels like it could be, hopefully, if you're a Buckeye fan, a really good ying and yang between passing and running games.

A (29:17)

Yeah, I think when you look at his background and what he's been able to do, I think it's going to be good for Ohio State. You got two offense, you got an offensive coordinator with NFL pedigree, you got a defensive coordinator with NFL, NFL pedigree. And now you are able to lean on what he's been able to. You're able to bring his expertise to the Big Ten, to Ohio State, with those playmakers with a quarterback who has a year of starting experience under his belt. I think this is a good move for Ohio State and really it puts him right back into the conversation that they just left a year ago. You know, they have the talent now, you have the, the acumen from the coach, from the coordinator side to be able to go and kind of take them to the, to the next level. Because obviously they lost, you know, their guy to usf. But I think this is a good hire for them. I think as a player, you have NFL pedigree from both coordinators. I think that's appealing for a player to be able to go and learn because what's your ultimate goal? You know, you go into Ohio State, you're going, you're going to obviously play at one of the best universities in the country. You're going to be trying to make it to the NFL. Who better to learn from than Matt Patricia, than Arthur Smith? People who have played at that level, who have coached Derrick Henry, Bijan Robinson, Tyler Algier, amongst others, and be able to learn and hone your craft under two of the best that are doing it in college football right now.

D (30:35)

So one, one, one note just the logistics behind the scenes of this. And I asked Coach Day, so Ryan's pretty well set in his offense. That's the same offense as terminology we used when I was there. And Chip Kelly changed it a little bit because I remember asking him because the minute you hire a big name coordinator, he wants to run his stuff.

A (30:54)

He wants to bring his stuff.

D (30:55)

So you're going to have 100 people in that program now learn a new terminology. Unless there was an agreement, whenever I hired a coordinator, I would give him the playbook and say, this is what we're going to run. And I usually elevated my guys and we ran it because I wanted to know what's going on and we talked about that. Is Coach Day going to walk in that meeting room, say, what in the hell are we doing? I don't recognize this terminology.

A (31:18)

I doubt that.

D (31:19)

And it's been pretty good. So I think there's probably going to be a little bit of a mesh of what he's done before with what Coach Dave's done.

A (31:28)

I believe Coach Day is not just going to flip this thing upside down. You know, he's going to kind of stay with his nose, stay with what his roots are. But then you're going to have Arthur Smith with his input, with his type of style, kind of combine them to make this power that Ohio State is looking for.

B (31:43)

And there'll be a couple Buckeyes in the Heisman running for next year. We're going to discuss that coming up. But first, the college football playoffs. What a wild success it was. And it's going to be successful again at 12 teams.

A (31:56)

Yeah.

B (31:57)

Yeah. So the ACC, Big 10, Big 12 SEC champs are guaranteed in now. So Duke, your ACC champion, would have been in the college football playoffs. Yeah, that would have thrown off some numbers. One other thing to keep in mind, and this is the big one, this will be our talking point. Notre Dame, the clause that was agreed upon earlier, if they finish inside the top 10. I'm sorry, 12. If Notre Dame finishes inside the top.

A (32:23)

12 of the final rankings.

B (32:24)

Of the final rankings.

A (32:25)

Not that they 12 spot that gets dropped because of a G6 or bingo.

D (32:30)

Yeah.

B (32:30)

If they are just inside that top 12 that includes number 12 in the final ranking, they automatically get a spot.

A (32:39)

That's a win.

B (32:40)

Think about that.

A (32:41)

That's a win for Notre Dame.

B (32:42)

It's a huge win for Notre Dame because you're not going to get the top 12 teams in the college football playoffs because there's still the group of six out there, right?

A (32:49)

Yeah.

B (32:50)

So the group of six is going to take one of those 12. Right. Which is going to knock the 11, 12. Yeah. So now the cut line is at 11. 11 at 11. Right.

A (33:00)

As long as Notre Dame is not 12. And with this schedule, that's thing.

B (33:05)

So if Notre Dame's number 12, they get in and the team that's ranked above them, they get pushed out. Tough break. Number 11.

A (33:12)

Yeah.

B (33:12)

You're out. That's the part that stinks. I give Notre Dame credit for fighting, you know, putting a. Putting their stake in the ground and saying, hey, We're a top 12 team. Get us in again. They don't Have a full conference alignment. They do have a deal with the accident that runs through 2036, where they are committed to playing five games against ACC opponents. So that's that soft affiliation on the football side. Of course, they have full affiliation with all the other Olympic sports. But I think if you're outside of Notre Dame, I think there's a couple.

A (33:50)

People out there, they're like little, little.

B (33:51)

Teed off about that, Mark.

D (33:52)

Yeah.

A (33:53)

People you always hear join the conference. You ain't got to worry about it. But at the end of the day, they don't have to join no conference because they got the muscle to be able to say, if I'm a top 12 team, I'm getting in the playoff whether you like it or not. So I respect Notre Dame because they just drop their nuts. They drag them on everybody. And now they're getting in the playoff. They're getting in the playoff if they're the number 12.

D (34:15)

So you hate no conference champion. No conference championship game.

A (34:19)

No conference championship game.

D (34:20)

So they. All they got to do is schedule smart.

A (34:23)

Yeah, yeah. You play. Which they will you play Wisconsin, Rice, Michigan State, Purdue, North Carolina, Stanford, BYU, Navy, Miami.

D (34:32)

No.

A (34:33)

Boston College, SMU and Syracuse.

B (34:35)

That's. That's 20, 26 season.

A (34:38)

Yes.

D (34:38)

They're in.

A (34:39)

Yes.

D (34:39)

There, there, there's one spot that's in.

A (34:41)

They're in.

D (34:42)

Wow.

A (34:43)

They're in.

D (34:43)

Wow.

A (34:44)

So.

B (34:44)

Hey, Brad, hold on, hold on. They've. They've got Miami. They've got a really good BYU team, but that's it. You're right. Those are the two big challenges as of now. I don't know that one. I don't. I didn't write. Yes. Yes, Mark, you're right at byu, and we've seen how. What kind of environment that is. So that's, that's a really tricky one. That's one that our Fox executives have served in Miami.

A (35:12)

In Miami. Miami comes to Notre Dame.

B (35:15)

The Wisconsin game to open up the season is up in Green Bay, Michigan State. Who knows what Sparty is going to be like. I think Sparty is going to be coming back eventually. Mark. I don't think this is a schedule.

A (35:26)

To be in the playoff, though.

B (35:28)

Correct.

A (35:29)

If you got to beat BYU in Miami to get into the playoff, obviously they lost to Miami last year. That's why Miami got in over them. So they'll be looking for that. But.

D (35:37)

Well, they don't have to beat them both.

A (35:39)

Yes. You have to be one of them. You go, you lose one game, even two, you're going to be in the top 12.

B (35:46)

I don't know about two. I don't know about two. Two. Two would make me feel they were.

A (35:49)

They were. They lost two games this year and they were in the top 12.

B (35:53)

Hold up, Mark, let me do an exercise here. All right. Final college football playoff rankings of the quote unquote regular season come out. Alabama is number 11. Notre Dame is number 12. You're tired. Are out. The Irish are in.

D (36:06)

Go.

A (36:08)

We need to win more games.

B (36:09)

Oh, come on. That's not what you're gonna say.

A (36:12)

Need to win more games, bro. We need to win more games.

D (36:15)

And Alabama played in the CC and Notre Dame played that schedule. Think about that. They're gonna think about that. Go, go, go. Put in Alabama schedule against that schedule.

A (36:26)

Schedule is rough too. Alabama schedule's rough again.

B (36:30)

Ohio State schedule is rough. That is brutal. I find it really interesting what Notre Dame is doing already with their mind to the future. Remember, there was a lot of angst between the ACC and Notre Dame at that final week heading into the ACC championship game. The ACC network putting that Notre Dame, Miami game on re air over and over again. Notre Dame really upset about that. Having some choice words for their com for their. Their quote unquote conference. If you will remember, Notre Dame kind of went above the ACC's head and scheduled this annual series with Clemson that begins in 2027 as a non conference game, a non conference game, a 12 year series. Notre Dame and Clemson.

A (37:16)

I'd be surprised if they even keep that honestly.

B (37:21)

On paper. Thank you. Like as a college football fan, good job by you guys, right? Having some real strong programs committed to playing each other. But I don't think the ACC totally love that as well. The series with Navy runs through 2032 again. The group of rights binds them to the ACC till 2036. So just go ahead. I know it's 10 years down the road, but go ahead. Circle 2036. That's going to be a really fascinating year. What happens with Notre Dame? I went diving into their schedule mark like you did as well. Kind of the out of conference Games. Coach. In 2027, again it's Purdue, Michigan State, Auburn. The Clemson series fires up Navy and byu. So like, like that's a. They did a really good job forecasting out in 28. Texas, Arkansas, Purdue, Auburn again, Clemson again, Navy and again. That doesn't even mention the ACC teams that they're scheduled to play that typical year. So it could be a Miami, a Florida State, Carolina, who knows? 2029, Alabama University, University of South Florida Texas again, Navy again, Clemson, like those are, of those five, those are real games. Three are real. Could be maybe three and a half. Depends what a Navy or USF is. And then in 2030, I know we're so far out, but the national, the defending national champs, Indiana, on the schedule, at Alabama, at Navy and again Clemson. So I give Notre Dame credit. Like they've gone out into the calendar book and you're flipping through, you're like, we're good, we're good, we're good until we're not good. Until, you know, the SEC or the Big Ten says, or the ACC says you're either with us or you're against us. And they say we're gonna, we're gonna rip up that contract. Right.

D (39:04)

We don't have to be with anybody.

A (39:05)

We don't have to be with anyone because they have a sole spot meant for them in the CFP right now.

B (39:10)

But if the schedule goes away, coach, and you talk about this, right? Like, why would somebody schedule a big boy? That's unnecessary.

D (39:17)

Yeah, yeah. Well, it used to be I, I spent some time at Notre Dame, six years and Notre Dame, I asked this question, I said, what's the scheduling philosophy here? Because it was brutal back in the Lou Holtz era and you picked two teams out of each quadrant of the country and you paid, you know, it was Texas, Texas A and M, it was USC and Washington, it was Ohio State, the Wolverines, it was Penn State. So you pick the best teams around the four court for the subway alumni. And then you throw in a Purdue rivalry. Usc, you had to play every year. And then the service academies and the.

B (39:48)

US CTO is already done right now. So kind of a harbinger of things to come, maybe.

D (39:53)

So of all the calendar of things or the checklist of things that get corrected in college football is the reward for playing because you're getting ready for the worst non conference schedules in the history of the sport. And I think next year will happen. I think teams are trying, I've already heard this. They're trying to get out of some of those games. They don't want to play the big. Why? Especially if you're in a tough conference. If you're in Indiana, set the template. Kennesaw State, Old Dominion and Indiana State. You're picked to win by 42 points each game. Your alumni go there, they watch a quarter and a half and they leave. So, yeah.

A (40:30)

So if you're Alabama, Ohio State, why do a home and away with each other?

D (40:33)

Why?

A (40:33)

Why?

D (40:34)

Why? I mean, I love it.

A (40:36)

I love it. We love it.

D (40:37)

To love one big end. Yeah.

B (40:39)

Well, again, Notre Dame needs it, right? They have to fill that schedule more so than other schools do. Because they only have a couple, though. Well, because they only get the five ACC games, so they have more openings than others. So, you know, are these this great scheduling that's been mapped out years down the road? You know, will they hold on to it? Will those programs stand by their contracts? It'll be interesting. But right now, it looks damn good. Looks damn good. All right. So, coming up next, Coach prime, making some news, man. Hey, you want to get paid? Make sure you show up on time. We'll talk about that next when the triple option returns.

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B (42:21)

Experian. All right. Welcome back to the triple option Urban Mark. Rob, back here with you. We got some prime time. We got that prime primetime fines. Yeah. Deion Sanders out there in Boulder says he's going to issue fines to players for misconduct. Okay, so some of These fines include 500 beans. If you're late to practice, no show, you just don't show up. 2,500 bucks. Late to conditioning, 1,000 no show. To conditioning, 1500. Boy, they got all kinds. Late to treatments, no show to treatments. Violation of team rules, public or social misconduct. Anywhere from 2 to $5,000 in fines. Welcome to the brave new world of college football, at least in Boulder. Mark, when you heard about this, what jumped to the forefront of your head?

A (43:17)

Essentially, we've been Saying college football is the new NFL. And when you have a model, a system going into place like this, that shows you that it is the new NFL. Because when we, when I were in, when I was in the NFL, you got fined $500 a pound for being overweight, you got fined for being late to a meeting, you got fined for missing a team meeting, you got fined for missing a full day. That's conduct detrimental. Missing a full day. That could be up to a whole paycheck. So when you miss, you pay. And that's essentially what's going on here with Prime. But I think the biggest storyline here is that prime has an issue within the locker room, within the culture, that he has to address this. Right. He's putting these fines in place because there's an issue going on where people are being late to treatment, people are being late to conditioning, people are being late to practice, people are missing practices. I think that is the biggest storyline to me in this is because if that wasn't going on within the culture of your locker room, you wouldn't have to address it. So I think there's something going on within the players, within the Colorado locker room where he has to address it and put these rules and into place, because guys aren't being accountable, guys aren't being professionals as they should be.

D (44:29)

Yeah, I, I, I, I, I'm shocked that this first of all became public. You know, there's, there's stuff that goes within a team, but that's your punishment system. I'm not sure did he make this public or how this could help.

A (44:41)

He said it in an interview. Right? Stoner?

D (44:44)

I just don't know why you do that. I don't know. You don't know what in house, stays in house and do what you got to do. But I don't know why you'd make that public. And Mark said, and I've had some great teams and not so great teams, but if, if you're finding people a lot, you got bigger problems than collecting a couple thousand bucks. You got a serious issue. Like when they say missing, like missing practice or something like that.

A (45:09)

Yes.

D (45:10)

Yeah.

A (45:10)

Missing practice. Read that thing again, Stoner. It said missed practice, late to practice.

B (45:14)

Late to practice is 500, no show is 2500.

A (45:19)

Yep.

B (45:19)

They have.

A (45:20)

Late to practice, no show, late to meeting or film. No show. Meeting or film, late to conditioning, no show, conditioning, late to treatment, no show to treatment, violation of team rules, public or social misconduct.

D (45:33)

So if that's, if that's happening, if that's happening, I'll never forget when I spent time with Tom Brady, Mike Rabel, Petty, Bruski. This is after they won back to back Super Bowls. And I asked him, I said, you know, tell me about this. And he said, we have the strongest locker room because the Alphas take care of the ship.

A (45:48)

Yes.

D (45:49)

If there's a problem, it's not going to get the Belichick's desk. We're going to hammer it out. That that player is going to have a. Have the wrath of the locker room. So.

B (45:57)

Well, the Alpha. The Alpha Boulder is Dion. Yeah.

D (46:01)

It can't be. It can't. I mean, or they're going to continue to be very average. He better get some Alphas.

B (46:07)

So he showed the list coach to the team. And in the video, in the video then, then went out. So that's how it. How it got there. So, you know, punishment has always been kind of like, hit him where it hurts. Yeah, right. And in this day age of college football, you hit him in the pocketbook. That's where it hurts. What.

D (46:26)

What happened to wi playing time?

B (46:27)

What happened to run playing time? What happened to running up ski hills? What happened to running orcas and doing push ups till you puke?

A (46:34)

Guys weren't getting paid then, so.

B (46:36)

I know they're not. I know.

D (46:37)

But you know, you know, it's an actual rule. You can't do that. You can't punish kids by running them anymore.

A (46:43)

That's a rule.

D (46:45)

That's a rule. That's a fairly, I think near the end of your career that you could no longer. So instead, I don't know if you remember, they'd have to come in and clean the weight room because you weren't allowed to beat the hell out of them with running or lifting or whatever. There was some kind of rule.

A (46:59)

That wasn't. That wasn't my time. That wasn't my time.

D (47:04)

Not our time.

B (47:05)

Ditto, Mark.

D (47:05)

Ditto. Another we where we.

B (47:10)

Where we practice at Colgate. Just in the background was the ski hill. And it was always just kind of sitting there looming just like I am here. I am here for you guys whenever you want to misstep.

A (47:21)

Just case you want to act up.

B (47:22)

Feel free to come up the elevation. Feel free to see how thick those weeds are and what the incline. Yeah, that'll keep you nice and clean for a while. So Coach prime, so going to be an interesting off season in Boulder. We got to get Dion on the show at some point and catch up with him. Time now though, for Two Minute Drill brought to you by FanDuel visit FanDuel.com Triple Option again FanDuel.com Triple Option to download the app and take advantage of a 50% profit boost today. All right, so Fernando Mendoza, the latest addition to the Heisman fraternity to join you. Mark as well. Let's talk about who might win it next season. Quick odds at the top of the list, Notre Dame, C.J. carr, Texas's Arch Manning, both at plus 800. Josh Hoover, who transferred from TCU to Indiana is next. How about Josh Hoover, number three at plus 1100. There's Jeremiah Smith, the wide receiver for the Buckeyes at 1300. So is his quarterback, Julian Saenz. So is Georgia QB Gunner Stockton. Just a couple of examples. Last preseason Heisman favorite to win the Heisman, 2014, Marcus Mariota.

A (48:40)

Really?

B (48:41)

Couple others. And again, you know, different, different publications, different people put out who their favorite is. But the general consensus is Eric. Eric Crouch. 2001 Nebraska preseason favorite, won it. And 2004, Matty Ice.

A (48:56)

Matty.

B (48:57)

Our boy Natty Leinert won it. So I will start with. Who am I starting with? Mark yeah. First, first up, who joins you in the way too early Heisman pick.

A (49:09)

My way too early Heisman pick. I'mma go with your boy. That's fresh on my mind. From the national championship game in the playoff run. He goes by the name of Baby Jesus, AKA Malley. Tony Malachi. Tony Coach Meyer, did you watch this young bull ball?

D (49:27)

Coach I did. The man inside, he's tough too.

A (49:30)

He goes up, he blocks linebackers, he blocks safeties. He had the most craziest one handed catch that was not a catch. But the man got skills and he got the wheels too. But 109 catches, 1,211 yards, 10 yards, I mean 10 touchdowns. He also added over a hundred yards rushing and another touchdown. He could throw the ball. He returns punts. I'm talking about a jack of all trades, a real deal baller down here in South Florida. Malachi. Tony. I'm going with Baby Jesus. I think his eyes are like 2700. I like that as a big time value pick. He's just a baller. He's a shot caller. I'm a big fan of him and I think he's going to have a huge sophomore year and I think he going to be the next Heisman brother and mark.

B (50:14)

Remember he put up those numbers in a year that he should have been playing high school.

D (50:18)

High school, Bill.

A (50:19)

He was supposed to be a senior in high school. All y' all reclassing and get an extra Year. No, if you really him reclass and go to school early. And ball.

B (50:27)

Baby Jesus can play at. At. At any age.

A (50:30)

I love Baby Jesus.

B (50:31)

Baby Jesus. I love that nickname. I don't understand it at all, but it's fire. But it's fun saying Baby Jesus, I'll tell you that.

A (50:39)

It always reminds me of the step brothers. I just want to pray to Baby Jesus. Sweet baby Jesus.

B (50:44)

No, no, no, wait. I think that was Talladega Nights.

A (50:47)

I mean, yeah, that's Talladega nights, I'm sure.

B (50:48)

Talladega nights. Saying prayer at the table.

A (50:51)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

B (50:52)

That's a great scene with. What was the uncle's or the grandfather's name? Chip. Chip. Shut your mouth, Chip. I'm gonna scorpion kick you in the back of the head. Chip.

A (51:04)

I'm g. Jump on you like a spider monkey.

B (51:06)

Spider monkey.

D (51:07)

Coach. Look at Coach.

A (51:08)

He ain't entertained.

B (51:09)

Coach had no time for Talladega Nights. I, however, had plenty of time for multiple viewings of Talladega nights. All right, Coach Wayne, too early. Heisman winner. Who's it going to be?

D (51:18)

Yeah, I'm going to go with Dante Moore. You know, he came back. Who went? The NFL. I love the kid. I love his staff. I think Oregon's going to be right there at the end again. But I just. Looking at these odds, I wonder why Arch Manning, C.J. carr and Josh Hoover have better odds when statistically Dante had a better year. It's interesting how Vegas does that, you know, But I think the best player is going to be Jeremiah Smith. But that's hard for a receiver to win it. I'm going to go. Dante Moore just statistically had a hell of a year. But even more importantly, I really respect this kid. He bought his time behind learning the trade from Dylan Gabriel. He didn't transfer. He stuck around and he stuck around to come back to get more experience. Plus, he was on the set of Big News. You remember that mark when you wanted him, Northwestern, Michigan. You wanted him to pose the Heisman. Remember what he said?

A (52:13)

Said, no, I can't do that.

D (52:14)

No, I gotta. I gotta play a little better. Yeah. And I put my arm around that kid. I said, man, I got. I mean, I. I like that kid a lot.

A (52:20)

Yeah, He's a Michigan boy. Detroit boy. Right. You know, he. A Michigan boy.

D (52:25)

Big fan of his.

B (52:25)

Big fan of coach, by the way. I don't know if you admit it, but you're kind of all on the Oregon train right now. Last week you said Oregon was your team to beat in your Way too early. National title pick. And now you're handing Oregon the Heisman.

D (52:40)

Wow.

B (52:41)

I remind you, who did I pick last week to win it all? Texas.

D (52:46)

Oregon.

B (52:47)

Oh, Texas. I'm high on Oregon, too, but I picked Texas, which means.

D (52:51)

So you're going to go. No.

A (52:52)

You've been saying it was going to be a Big Ten team.

B (52:55)

I. I am, I am, I am. But I'm still putting a lot of chips into the Arch Manning pool right now at +800 for over 3,000 yards, 26 touchdowns.

D (53:04)

Your ass out, dude. Yeah, he's.

A (53:06)

He's trying to. He trying to win. Like he been saying, big Ten, Big Ten. I remember that. We had to reclip that.

B (53:15)

It's there. Well, I've been pushing Oregon as well, and I'm pushing you. And I pushed USC earlier in the broadcast. I also think. I think really highly.

A (53:23)

Hey, Coach, he just do all this so he ain't never wrong. He give us like 5, 6 answers so he ain't wrong.

D (53:29)

He's Switzerland.

B (53:30)

You're on to me, Ingram. You're on to me. Listen, I, I like the way the end of the season concluded for Arch. I loved his bowl game outing against Michigan. He flashed those legs. It feels like he's finally being allowed to, like I said it last week, like, get out of that cocoon, right? Like, just, hey, Texas, Let him. Let him breathe. Let him be Arch Manning. Let them sling it. They went into the portal. They got the number one wide receiver recruit from. From Auburn in the portal. They are back. They. They, they are.

A (53:59)

They are the back from Bama.

B (54:00)

They are back. They have the vibe of, like, Ohio State a couple years ago where we're like, this is it, guys. Let's start. Let's compliment this. We might be a little thin here. Let's cover it up. I just like what I've seen from Archman, but it's going to be so tough to do it with the expectations again. Remember, this is probably going to be the second year in a row he's going to enter the season as the Heisman favorite. And we talked about it. Last one to do it, Mariota, Oregon. I think Arch Manning is going to be there when it's all said and done. Both you guys have great picks. No running backs, by the way. We. We're kind of waiting who's going to be that breakout running back next year. So that's why. Another reason why we watch college football and find out. Maybe it'll be Bo Jackson and that new offense in Columbus.

A (54:40)

Back Kwan Lacy back Yeah, I agree.

B (54:43)

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A (54:48)

That's next week.

D (54:49)

What do you mean, you guys. You're not.

B (54:51)

I'm not.

A (54:52)

Yeah, He's.

B (54:52)

I have a cheer competition in Orlando. I got to be a. I gotta be a cheer dad.

D (54:56)

Priorities for once.

B (54:57)

Yeah.

D (54:58)

Wow. I don't know if I. I might go on strike here and.

B (55:01)

Hang in there. Hang it. You know what? It's good. I want you guys.

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It's not a triple option podcast without Stone.

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Thank you, Mark Ingram. Thank you.

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It's not a live show without Stone.

B (55:11)

I appreciate you, brother. I appreciate you.

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So Lynn Stone put the gibbosh on us, huh?

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I really like it, man. I don't really like it.

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Street took the wrong turn all a sudden.

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