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Alex Jones: Trump, Israel, Secret WW3 Plans, Dire Wolf Resurrection, Infowars Reporter Assassination
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Tucker Carlson
Okay, so I want to impose my theory on you and you tell me what you think. So for the past 15 years I've been watching the feds, the FBI, the DOJ try to destroy you. And I've watched as no group of gatekeepers or whistleblower protectors or journalistic, you know, ethics guardians have defended you on first amendment grounds, which is pretty shocking. But the question has always been why are the Feds so intent on taking you out? And here's my theory. So the summer of 2001 you go on TV time stamped and say someone's going to fly planes into the World Trade Centers. They're going to blame Osama bin Laden, call the Bush White House, warn them. You basically called 911 in detail. You're the only one who did. And we can prove that. It's not a guess. We have the tape. I've played the tape. 911 happens in September. There's a 911 Commission immediately empaneled. They go and interview a bunch of people in the US government and outside and ask were there signs of this was happening. They don't interview you. You're the one guy who predicted it in public. You're the only guy who predicted it in public. And no one calls you to ask how the hell did you know that? Which is the obvious question. Then they set about trying to destroy you rather than hailing you as a prophet or at least asking the question how the hell did Alex Jones know in detail this was coming? How did you know? They never even you and then they, they mobilize DOJ and FBI against you. And I, I think there's a connection between those two facts.
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Alex Jones
Well there certainly is. I'd already been researching false flag attacks not just by our government but other governments throughout history. The Gulf of Tonkin to get us into Vietnam in 64 that was later declassified to have been staged. And of course the USS Liberty between Israel and the Lyndon Baines Johnson administration wanted to get us into full war with Egypt. But the ship survived, became the most decorated ship in US history because the valiance of the crew and Operation ajax where the CIA and Kermit Roosevelt in 53 overthrew Mohammed Mossadegh who was a reformist and really pro west, but he wouldn't give them all the oil and they use radical Islamists to overthrow him and then put the Shah in and then overthrew the Shah over and over again. There's just hundreds and hundreds of historical real case examples of that being done by our government and other governments and I saw a lot of pre programming in the news. Oh, some of bin Laden's going to get us when he gets us. We need to give up all of our rights and it'll be a new America and we've got to set up this police stage. So I saw a lot of pre programming, but you called the specifics, you.
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Tucker Carlson
Called the specifics of 9 11. I just can't get past that. And I've asked you in public and private, how did you do that? I've never gotten really a straight answer. I doubt I will now. But the fact remains, the incontrovertible fact, the provable fact that you called it and then they began a campaign against you. And it's not because you're a racist. You've never been a racist or an anti Semite or a crazy person, actually you've never spewed hate, but you have for, you know, 30 years said the foundations of our system are actually kind of fake and rotten. And it's, but it was 9 11. That's when they decide, that's when they really decided this guy has to be stopped and, and just basically eliminated the first amendment to stop you.
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Alex Jones
Well, just to be clear, it's not that I'm dodging how I knew it. That was 24 years ago. And I, I remember what I was covering and what I was doing at the time. And Everybody's seen the July 25th where I went into detail. But, but actually my crew using chat GPT scanning through all my old shows, found shows in April and even before that in March where I get more specific and I said the CIA is going to fly planes into the world trade centers and blame it on bin Laden.
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Tucker Carlson
So I just think that's the most amazing fact I've ever heard in my entire life that you called that. And, and again, we can prove it because it's on tape with time stamps and everyone's like, oh yeah, okay, Alex Jones is crazy. I hate her. Okay, whatever. I don't think that's true. But you called 911 and no investigator ever called you to ask you how you called that, how you knew that. Not one.
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Alex Jones
No.
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Tucker Carlson
No one from DOJ Philip Zelow of the 911 Commission now called you?
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Alex Jones
No.
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Tucker Carlson
Why?
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Alex Jones
And well, I mean, obviously because certain segments of our intelligence agencies with other foreign intelligence agencies were tracking the supposed hijackers. They were being trained at U. S. Military bases, they were being given government money from our government and other governments. They were being protected. Then two of their magic passports and all that Rubble and hundreds of millions of pieces of paper were found the next day to then connect them to was all laid out. Then the bin Laden family was thrown up, was flown out of the country in the days after. And that was basically shut down in the news even though it was covered some locally here in Florida. So I knew that bin Laden had been CIA going back to really the Mujahideen being set up by Zabinda Brzezinski and Jimmy Carter. Then Reagan took that over and then they kind of build that as blowback. But even recently you've seen the U.S. aid Information and other documents come out in the Institute for Peace where they're directly paying massive amounts of money to Taliban, to Al Qaeda, to isis, even in the last few years. Oh yeah, and they use them as these proxy armies. So, so that was well known in the research circles that, that, that, that bin Laden was basically a multinational cutout used by Western intelligence agencies to destabilize areas, but also be a boogeyman. Then you see CNN in a mountain cave, magically being able to find him, but the US can't kill him and nobody else can. And I knew that CNN is literally the CIA broadcasting system for sure. Total mockingbird thoroughbred. And there were hundreds and hundreds of points that went in, but okay, bin Laden's work for the CIA. And you got CNN interviewing him and, and, and they're all scaring us, saying he's about to attack us. And then I remembered how Ahmad Salam, who was an Egyptian Intelligence Agency operative working for The FBI and CIA was hired to build a bomb in the early 90s to blow up the World Trade Center. But then when they said build a real bomb, he started recording them because he sort of figured out was a setup. And then he had that press conference where he played it. And I interviewed him a few times where, where the FBI said no, just go ahead and let it go forward. And so you start adding all that together. They'd already tried to hit the World Trade center before. The World Trade center had a lot of issues in it with asbestos and also some of the structural issues. So they're already wanting to have a plan to get rid of it. And then you have the CIA and FBI in the Solomon Brothers building, building seven, the 47 story skyscraper, you have that right next door. So I looked at all of it and I thought, where would the new Pearl harbor be? And the year before in the Project for American Century headed up by Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney, Dick Cheney wrote in there that we need a new Pearl harbor event to launch the Pox Americana. But it wasn't an American empire of freedom and liberty and justice like Trump's trying to, you know, launch. It was a globalist empire, military enforcement and tyranny. And so there was a lot of other data points that went into it. Cheney also writes in that same document, we need to look at race specific bioweapons to have control and bring in our power. And that was actually picked up in the newspapers.
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Tucker Carlson
Okay, so these are not minor issues. This is, these are like the biggest things happening in the world, the most important things happening in the world. And the end of one system ushering in of a new system. Millions in the end, died because of all of this. Millions. And you're on like cable access in Texas figuring this out. Like, where is everybody else? I don't understand. Like, I don't. Where I worked at CNN at the time, I don't. And we had, as you said, Peter Bergen went and interviewed bin Laden. I'm not attacking Peter Bergen, but like, how come you were the only one who figured this out?
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Alex Jones
Yeah, by that time I started out in 94 as a guest on Access TV and had my own show by 95, but I, I was on local talk radio. I just started getting, I've been syndicated a few years then, but I. Okay, but, but I mean, but you're right, I was on Access TV as well. And that's where you were like way out, fringe.
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Tucker Carlson
And all the people at the very center of our business journalism, like, they didn't see or didn't talk publicly about any of this. Like none of this.
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Alex Jones
Well, I saw Gary Hart on, with another guest.
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Tucker Carlson
Gary Hart, the former presidential candidate, Senator from Colorado.
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Alex Jones
I think it was the Hart Redmond Commission. Yeah, I saw him in Congress with testimony earlier that year and also saw him on, I believe it was cnn or maybe it was Chris Matthews, msnbc. But the clip's famous and they say the world's about to change. There's about to be big things happening. You know, big, big attacks.
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Tucker Carlson
When was this?
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Alex Jones
It was a. It was in early July.
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Tucker Carlson
It was before 9 11.
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Alex Jones
Yes. And that's. And they were very specific. Somebody should find that clip. Can crowdsource that? And that was the final catalyst because they were basically telling the establishment very thinly veiled what was about to go on. So I sat back, I looked at it, and I thought years later, how did I come up with that? So I don't just say a bunch of stuff then most of it doesn't come true. When I'm very specific on predictions, almost all of them have come true. I thought that it was the spin off of the X Files and I wasn't even an X Files fans rarely watched it called the Lone Gunman that it turns out had come out in the spring of 2001 that, that I didn't even learn about because there wasn't, you know, Facebook and Twitter and X back then. So if you didn't watch those entertainment shows, you didn't know about it. And then six months or so after 911 listeners start saying, have you seen this? And I had listeners send me VHS recordings off FOX TV of this episode where a criminal group in the US government hijacks a jumbo jet in New York to fly it in the World Trade center to blame it on a Central Asian terrorist show that they have a pretext to take over domestically with a police state and launch wars in the Middle East.
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Tucker Carlson
Wait, this was on the X Files?
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Alex Jones
Yes, this is on the X Files. And, and so later I thought maybe I got it from that. But then we found tapes even earlier, a month before that came out where I was already had put it together on the radio. But, but here's what's crazy. Then I got reached out by, by some of the host of the X Files saying, hey, Chris Carter told us that the CIA came to him with the plot of this and asked him some of the scripts that they would ask him as a favor to put this in as a TV program. And then later I corresponded some of Chris Carter via email. He talked about this in the news, like in entertainment publications about Alex Jones, really good guy. And when they rebooted in 2016 again, he talked about the talk show host characters based on me. So I've talked to him, some of his crew, but he said no, I don't know why the CIA, you used to interview him, you know, came to me and said, here's the script for this show. So. So it wasn't just Alex Jones saying that a government agency was going to hijack a jet, fly the World Trade Center. The X Files spin off the Lone Gunman, one of its main episodes was about that specific story.
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Tucker Carlson
This is just crazy. So I often get, you know, people I know, oh, and they remote control.
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Alex Jones
And hijack the jet, the good guys, and keep it from crashing the World Trade Center. So why would, why would the CIA come to Chris Carter and say, we want you to write this. And then, and then it's released months and months before 911. So, so I'm not the only one. It was in the collective unconsciousness. I mean, I mean, I don't know, but I mean, I said two weeks before they shot Trump in Butler, I, I went on air and I said, they're going to try to shoot him at a, at a rally. I mean, that was, that's obvious to see how desperate they were. All the lawfare didn't work. I mean, a lot of this is just studying how they operate, but so much of it now is John Podesta In August 2020, the New York Times wrote about it had a big war game, the top Democrats. And they said if Trump wins, if they weren't able to steal it, in my view, then, then we're going to have civil war conditions. We're going to have blue states to see blue cities, and we're going to use social issues to foment a rebellion that we're going to basically frame as racial. George Floyd on steroids, you know, 10.0, and then we're going to drive Trump from office. Well, they were able to steal it, in my view. The evidence, I think, is overwhelming. So they didn't use that plan. Well, they started talking about that plan again in the months before this last election last year. So, so, so much, so much of what I'm able to predict is he really prediction? They admitted. I mean, the UN said for 20 years we're going to use disease acts to bring in a global system, a global central bank, digital currency, a global social credit score, global vaccine ID that will be used as the global Internet id, global taxation ID that's official. Bill Gates, the un, all these big bodies preparing how they'd roll this out. You have the Rockefeller foundation with Operation Lockstep 2010, 2011, describing locking down the sports stadiums, locking your houses six feet apart, wearing masks for fear. I mean, that's. Then Bush, George W. Had that in the bioshield program that passed in 2005, where they sent out kits, millions of them, to everybody, to the Red Cross with the six feet apart with the mask with all the stuff. But they didn't launch the, the bio attack scarab that they had I think locked and loaded. Then they waited till 2020.
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Tucker Carlson
So basically you're just taking them at their word. You're just paying. You're doing what I don't do enough, which is listen to people I disagree with and sincerely try to assess what they're saying.
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Alex Jones
I mean, now FY just said last week a much worse way higher morbidity. It's respiratory, it's common and you got hotels. Oh, don't worry. Trump's going to have a big problem. It's going to come crashing in on him. We'll see how he tries to reboot the economy. And then, you know, then you learn Fauci and all of them are involved with, with Obama and Chapel Hill and North Carolina creating COVID 19. It was a big scandal. 2015, gain of function, SARS. And then they move it to Wuhan to plausible deniability. So they can kind of blame the Chinese that they want. I'm not saying the Chinese are good, the commercials are terrible. And it was kind of a joint project. And then, then they roll it out, then they've got their so called shot that's mRNA. I mean this stuff is all very well planned. And so when you see him up there lying, going, no, Senator Paul, it is you that is wrong. No gain of function. Then it's in all his emails, this is gain of function. And he has public symposiums in defense of gain of function. I mean he's Mr. Gain of Function. If he was a superhero, he would just, you know, have gain of function on his chest in the back of his cape. And he's like, I don't know anything about that. And so, I mean, these guys just treat us like children. And so they kept saying we're going to use a virus, we're going to use a scare to bring in our local government. I mean, I remember Lou Dobbs and Judicial Watch 2006 sued to get North American Union documents. And in it they're meeting up in Banff, Canada and they're like, we're going to use collapsing migration flow from a virus to flood the west and use that crisis to bring in a new Marshall Plan. We're going to use a disease X to, you know, finally get the world to accept this global government. So they're just scheming constantly. They have event 201 but in public, in public they have the Spars War Game 2025, 2028 that came out of fears before 2020 in the viral release that is actually set in 2020-2024. And it rolls out how they're all going to do it. The tweets that are in there almost word for. They just changed the name spars to COVID19. So it's a blueprint. And then they get caught. Oh, it's not a viral attack plan. Oh, it's just a war game. But the war game matches the exact rollout of the attack. So they're all on script so in.
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Tucker Carlson
A normal world that rewarded, you know, excellence and prescience, you'd be a billionaire because of your predictive powers. I mean, huge companies, governments hire people who can piece together fragments of evidence to create an accurate picture of the future. That's. That's a huge business. I know a lot of people in that business. George Friedman, Guys like that. Really, really smart people. But you have got the best track record of all. And I think it's so telling that rather than reward you for this or call you up and be like Alex Jones, what do you think's coming next? They're like, no, we must eliminate our own First Amendment to destroy your life, which is what they've done. That seems like a pretty clear indicator of their guilt to me.
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Alex Jones
Well, what they don't want is compartmentalized good people in industry and government. Not just here around the world to listen to what I'm saying. Go check it out for themselves. Find out everything I just said is on record. Anybody can just type anything I said. It's from their own documents. And then people will basically put the glasses on like they live and see it for themselves. I'm not telling them what to see like the corporate media does. Brainwashing people and selling them a lie that two men can have a baby and there's no X and Y chromosomes. And communism's great, and, you know, open borders are wonderful. No, I mean, I'm simply saying, see this for yourself. I liken it to those hidden image paintings. And when you first can't see the hidden image, you're like, I can't see. Once you do see it, you can't unsee it. So I'm only trying to get people to go look at what I'm pointing out and find out. I liken this whole thing to like, you have the adult table with the CFR and the Club of Rome, the WF and the un the think tanks, the RAND Corporation. And they're at the adult table at Thanksgiving. And the general public and even a lot of the politicians are compartmentalized and naive. We're over at the kids table. And we'd actually listen to what the adult table. Because that's their arrogance. They admit 99% of this in their own battle plans. As if we are too lazy or stupid ever go look at it. And that's part of a confidence game they have with their own people, their own corporate intelligence operatives, their own government intelligence operatives, their own networks where they just basically admit all this stuff out in the open. I mean, it's like, you know, mud from the CIA on CNN saying, Foggy Bottom is going to kill this guy. We're going to kill Trump. And then Trump had called me this back in his first administration. I said, listen, you need to watch out. They've got Phil Mudd and all these other guys on cnn, msnbc, saying they're going to kill you. He goes, just a moment. He goes, I'm have a Secret Service call you in about an hour. They call, they go, what's going on, Alex? Trump told us to call you. And I said, you don't know about this, this, this, this, this, this. So he goes, okay, here's our email. And I sent the Secret Service this, as if the Secret Service doesn't know. They were all over TV saying, we're going to kill Trump.
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Tucker Carlson
So, so, I mean, it's possible they caught that.
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Alex Jones
Yeah, yeah. And then Trump didn't catch it. So, so, and I mean, now they're everywhere. You've got this new Rutger study out where 55% of Democrats, liberals are asking, do you support Trump being killed? They're like, yes, we want him dead. He should be assassinated. This is like this week and came out, what, over the weekend? And they asked him, so do you see yourself as part of a assassination culture? And they said, yes. So, but then if you say, oh, the Democrats are foming violence. I mean, the View says all the time he's killing people, Elon's killing people. They don't say how he's, they're stealing your Social Security, they're killing old ladies. And so we need to be ready to fight and die to take this guy out. Those are quotes. And then they just sit back, go, oh, no, no, no, we're not calling for violence with Crockett and all of them. But, but they're not going to do it. They want lone nuts to do it because their other wind up operatives, like crooks and the other guy here in Florida failed. But I mean, they are, they are crazy. And if the establishment, or what's left of it's falling apart, thinks killing Trump is going to help them, they're delusional because if you look at all the scenarios that come out of that, it's much worse for them.
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Tucker Carlson
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Alex Jones
Tucker says it best.
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Tucker Carlson
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Alex Jones
Off, and enough is enough.
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Tucker Carlson
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Alex Jones
Our legislation, the Credit Card Competition act, would help end the Grip Visa and MasterCard have on us. Every time you use your credit card.
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Tucker Carlson
Card, they charge you a hidden fee called a swipe fee, and they've been raising it without even telling you.
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Alex Jones
This hurts consumers and every small business owner.
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Tucker Carlson
In fact, American families are paying $1,100 in hidden swipe fees each year. The Fees Visa and MasterCard charge Americans are the highest in the world.
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Alex Jones
Double Canada's and eight times more than Europe's. That's why I've taken action. But I need your help to help get this passed. I'm asking you to call your senator.
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Tucker Carlson
Today and demand they pass the Credit.
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Alex Jones
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Tucker Carlson
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Alex Jones
Well, I, I mean, I appreciate you saying nice things about me and I, and obviously God gives us all different gifts and I do have some gifts, but I think a lot more people have these gifts than, than really realize it.
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Tucker Carlson
But you can prove it. That's why I've. Obviously we're friends and I, I like you as a, as a man. But you can prove it in a way that others can't because it's on tape. So it's not really debate. Has Alex Jones had more accurate predictions of the future than any living person in the world that I know of? We can prove that. We don't have to argue about it. I've got the freaking tape. So again, it's not even a compliment, it's just an observation. And I don't know why I seem to be the only person who's obsessed with this. Like, how did this guy predict this? No, everyone's like, oh, he's crazy. Okay, maybe he's crazy, but he predicted this. So my question is, like, what does that do to you?
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Alex Jones
I mean, it is stressful. The responsibility of constantly researching and looking at all, you know, culture, pop culture. That's where a lot of the real brainwashing said. That's where a lot of the predictive programing and manipulation goes on. Yes, but also in so called news. But I, I mean, I did get to where I drank way too much, ate too much, got really unhealthy because I could, you know, go home at night and have some drinks and you know, and eat half a key lime pie and just kind of dial out and forget about reality. But, but things have gotten so intense and so dangerous that about the last nine months I haven't drank and I've been exercising every day and I've lost 63 pounds and I feel great and I've just embraced the responsibility. Plus we're alive right now really in the great, great awakening, where more and more people are piecing things together and, and, and deciding to really get informed and engaged. And so I'm, I've always said I want to become obsolete, where people really start understanding how the world really works to such an extent. There are so many other journalists and researchers and pundits and just private citizens and people in business and academia and life and, and in, you know, the ecclesiastical circles that they really realize that this globalist system is transhumanist, it is evil, it is a spiritual battle at the end of the day, and people need to really choose a side. And so I think choosing the side and saying, hey, God, I, I can't do this. You know, I'm weak, I'm imperfect, but, you know, through you I can. And really praying and asking God to lead God and direct you and give you discernment. So to really answer your question.
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Tucker Carlson
I'll.
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Alex Jones
Have all this data in this research and so, so that my feeble human mind can understand really what God tells me. And then it's that final little ingredient of being sure about something, that that's what they're intending to do. But we have real agency. Good has more power than evil. They always say the devil's greatest trick was convincing the world that he didn't exist. I think that's the second biggest trick is he doesn't exist. And he does. His biggest trick is convincing people that there is no good out there and that, and that, and that there's not.
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Tucker Carlson
That's right.
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Alex Jones
And that God doesn't exist. So, you know, for me, so much of it again is in the old days, the globalist, the, the, the Western propaganda after the end of World War II and since then, when we won, World War II had pretty much total narrative control. And so anything they were pre programming and preparing and hyping the people for, they pretty much always got what they wanted. So it was easy to follow those trend lines out and see what the probable main scenarios were. And then things would almost always come true that I predicted because they were still in charge. And now that the globalists are really collapsing and a new international order and system is forming coming from the grassroots up, politics is downstream from the grassroots. And because Trump is such a chaos bringer to their system, which is good, but with it also comes danger. But it's better than living on our knees and then ending up having our souls basically taken, it's better to fight down our feet. But in my experience, people that fight on their feet, live a lot longer and have better lives than people that try to live on their knees. People live on their knees, actually die on their knees a lot more often than people die on their feet. My experience, so now is really the global revolution, it's a spiritual revolution. The information, the culture, all of that comes out of that. And so now there's so many possible futures and so many developments because there's been so many good people that actually care and want to stabilize civilization and thrive and have a future and, and who are not based on conquest mindsets, but, but are based on Renaissance concepts. The Great Reset versus the Great Awakening that right now anything is possible because America still has the world reserve currency, still has the biggest, best military, still has the best energy system for raw energy, and still has a spirit that is being rekindled. That was the apple of the world's eye and really the flower of the Renaissance that we're now rebooting. It's powering back up right now and that window is closing, but we're, we're acting on it right now. And if we're just not weak and cowards like Trump has said, and, and if we don't become panicans but remain Americans, then really anything is possible. Because as Elon has said of America falls the central pillar in Western civilization. And Western civilization falls. It all falls.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes.
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Alex Jones
And so for me, I don't do this out of courage. I do it out of direct self preservation for myself, my family, and by extension everybody else. Because we're all interconnected and people need to understand the true urgency that the globalist said. They were going to collapse the world economy and use that for social control, as Larry Fink said, to control our behavior. And we're going to build something extremely hellscapish and dystopic in their own admissions. All the horrible stuff we see is just the leading edge of it. And so to me, there's really even no choice but to fight with everything I've got.
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Tucker Carlson
You said two things that really struck me. One, that anything is possible right now. This could go in an infinite number of directions, some hellish and some blessed. So I think that feels right to me. Second, you said this is a spiritual revolution. What are the signs that you see of that? What do you mean by that?
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Alex Jones
Well, if you read the Bible, Old Testament, New Testament, it's all there. And then I see it happening. It says that during these big times of change that you'll see the best out of the good people and the worst out of the bad people. And some people you thought were good are going to really activate to show you their real cards, that they're really your servants of evil, are really slaves of evil. And then you're going to see some people you thought weren't good that are going to be touched and make the decision to be strong for liberty. That'll be some of our greatest champions. Yes. And that you're not going to really see people in the middle anymore. That big middle of people passing the buck. God said you were hot nor cold, you were lukewarm. I spit shot of my mouth. And so we're going into really the beginning. It's going to get way more intense in my view. I mean, if any prediction it's that people think things are wild now and tumultuous, it's. This is going to be seen as the calm before the storm. And so, so there's gonna be nowhere to be in the middle. People are gonna have to choose the side. And those that have chosen evil, chosen the establishment, chosen the satanic world order are, Are going to get deeper and deeper into their devotion and their hysteria, their violence, trying to prop it up, because deep down they're. They're scared. And they have a form of Stockholm syndrome where they go to the abuser and think if they prostrate themselves before it, somehow they'll be given deliverance, when really they just need to repent and ask God to come in to their heart and cleanse them and then rise them up to be a soldier against this evil in this key time. But there'll be no room for anybody in the middle in the time we're in. And I'm talking to so many people that weren't even Christian or weren't even religious or weren't even spiritual, who are saying it's good versus evil. And I talked to so many people. I know they're professionals and they, you know, Austin's full of a lot of, you know, you know, particularly rich people and women, you know, just becoming demon possessed. I mean, literally saying they're demon possessed. And, and, and I'm hearing about all over the country, all over the world, what is that?
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Tucker Carlson
It's so noticeable. And I, I'm so blessed to be surrounded by mostly by women who are just the opposite or wonderful, but I. Who are the rock. I mean, they're just the best. However, what you just described is just on display everywhere.
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Alex Jones
Well, and it's men, too. You're about the soccer coach that just kidnapped a little kid and took him and killed him and threw him in the woods, reportedly. Allegedly. I mean, it's just, I mean, it's men too, but normally in history, it's men that do the really openly satanic stuff.
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
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Alex Jones
And, and women, you know, 2% of violent crime now, it's, you know, they're, it's, it's because it's a crisis. And women particularly, but men as well, buy into whatever they see as the power structure. That's a survival mechanism, generally.
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Tucker Carlson
It's exactly right.
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Alex Jones
But when the power structure is a death cult by increment, they get deeper and deeper. I mean, you look at these leftists and you know them in the hundreds of photos where they took their shot and they, or they, or they had their abortion or, you know, they want to kill Trump and you look at.
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Tucker Carlson
Them, or they're worshiping death in some way.
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Alex Jones
Absolutely. And you could see it. They all look super unhealthy. They look totally insane in the eyes. They look like Charlie Manson. And so, so it's, it's, I've seen more and more love in people's eyes, more and more spiritual connection to God, more and more that quiet place of just serenity in people. And then I'm seeing more and more of the satanic energy. So it's, it's really a parting of the sea here.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes. So to just linger on the first observation that you're seeing more of the serenity, the peace from God in people, that is, including people in your orbit, people you know, personally.
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Alex Jones
Yes, but it's very paradoxical. I'm seeing just godliness, peace, understanding, and then I'm seeing confusion and hysteria. And I mean, what we're seeing is evil writhing around trying to take us with it. It gets senses that humanity's waking up and that all of its carefully laid plans to keep us in a trance, keep us asleep, is burning away.
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Tucker Carlson
Is there any way to predict. Well, I'll just say my view, which is I've been really shocked by people on both sides. There are people who seem totally seized by hysteria and rage and hate and the desire to commit violence. I never expected they would be that. And then there are other people who I'm equally shocked to see, filled with the kind of serenity you're describing, who are filled with love and understanding. And I just, I couldn't have predicted who those people are in some cases. Do you feel that?
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Alex Jones
Absolutely. I mean, I've always had a lot of berserker energy and, and, you know, in the fight, but it was always focused. And I say it was demonic, but it was, you know, of the flesh, but also had a big connection to God. Now more and more I'm just have serenity, focus, clarity. And I'm more effective at breaking things down, not acting like a Tasmanian devil. And so in my own life, I'm seeing more and more of that serenity. Just really, really intense the last few weeks. And I picked up on that being around you and your crew and, you know, folks here in this little hamlet we're in. And then it really does make you feel sorry for people that serve evil. I mean, they torture us and they attack us and they want to bully us and. But at the end of the day, you actually realize that's on them. It is so sad that they live like this.
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Tucker Carlson
They're being destroyed too. They're being destroyed too. That's like one of the main insights I've had in the past five years. I come to things really slowly because I'm not a genius, but I always kind of felt hate toward the destroyers in our. In any society. I hate destruction. I like building and creation and. But the destroyers always were. I felt my enemies in my whole life, I felt this. And then it was only in the last couple of years I realized they're being destroyed also. Like they are suffering. They're not getting out of this unscathed. Like they think that they're getting power or whatever they. Money, whatever they think they're getting. But in. But they're like in agony.
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Alex Jones
A lot of them are cowards too. They think survival of finish is being as ruthless and mean as possible is what they have to do to win. And then when you no longer hate them. And I, because I was never driven by hate as my main force, it was just the old saying, you don't fight an enemy attacking your people because you hate them. You fight them because you love the people you're defending.
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
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Alex Jones
But still, I would always hear, no, no, forgive them, still fight them, still expose them. But, but, but, but really forgive them. That removes a spiritual connection that you have with them. And you see it when Christ says, you know, be kind and pray for those that persecute you. It'll. It'll heap burning coals on their head. Stalkers, you know, down at the kind of a low level, I've learned, like once I didn't care about a stalker and I've had plenty. And you just forgive them. They just freak out and go away. When they're getting to you, they're enjoying that energy. So you still fight them with More energy than ever. But you do it from a position of just removing a damaged, collapsed, you know, poor victim of the devil that you have a responsibility to protect yourself and your family from. But you don't give them the energy of being angry back at them and seeing them as powerful, because they're not. They're pawns. And these people that are influenced by satanic energy, by literal spiritual forces, demons, they are the slaves. And when they're not out doing evil and persecuting people, they don't even feel like they're alive. And they're desperate and they're scared and. And they're lost. And then they get driven forward, you know, by this dark force to. To, like, it'll be all right once you just go out. And once you take these people out, you know, it's the good people that are making you feel bad. It's them. Destroy them. Then you'll have peace. And that's the deeper understanding I've had of how this satanic system works.
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Tucker Carlson
So clearly true. And if you ask if there's anyone that you've really, like, focused on, I don't know, George Soros or Larry Fink, I mean, just the other day I was talking to someone who knows Larry Fink really well, and I was saying, I think Larry Fink is like, I don't know. I've never met Larry Fink, but, boy, he's responsible for a lot of suffering from my perspective. And, you know, this person said, there's no one more unhappy than Larry Fink. Like, nobody. And I was just with him in a car. He was, like, screaming at someone on the phone, this guy's made billions of dollars and personally tormented. And I know a bunch of people because I know a lot of the. Of the people involved in things that I think are really evil, and there's not a happy one among them. Not one.
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Alex Jones
And beyond the fact that he's got billions, he's in control of more than anybody. You know, we're always hearing Elon Musk, the richest guy in the world. Well, he's a guy that has been good at keeping the companies under his control. So he independently is the most powerful person, corporate science, communications titan. But then they spit it like, oh, he's the establishment. No, Trump, as you know, has a very small orbit of independent billionaires that are defending him because they want to stabilize civilization for everybody's good. But when you look at the international power and the largesse it's been against Trump, more and more, they realize they're losing because the people are with Trump. And we were just talking last night, I hope you would repeat that because you were asking me with some folks who were talking to about what my view is basically on the geopolitical new landscape. And I laid my, my view and you said, no, I think that's dead on. And then you said, basically, if you feel like repeating it, that, that we need to sell it very clearly, you're on this team or you're on that team, because it really is Team chicom. EU globalist, New World Order. That's. That's what's left. You know, the uk don't trust them who runs it, but they're trying to come in under a US alliance and America and the world needs to understand there's a new international system forming. The old one fell. And we better decide what this new system is going to look like and who's going to be in charge of it, because that's the way it is.
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Tucker Carlson
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Alex Jones
And as you said last night, all these countries want to be on Team America.
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Tucker Carlson
I think that's right.
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Alex Jones
And for people that don't know this, I'm surprised. I mean Trump knows understands that you do, but this needs to be everywhere. The globalists went in the 80s, 90s, they made a deal with communist China. You get the manufacturing rare earth minerals but you don't expand your military into the South China Sea. Well, they started 20 years ago, expanding everywhere. And then it took Obama till about 14 years ago to figure that out. We had the Asia pivot but. But by then it was too late. They'd infiltrated. They were financing all this destroy America wokeism and bragging about it. And then people like Bill Gates and others continue to be totally aligned with China.
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Tucker Carlson
No, it's right.
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Alex Jones
And the CFR saying America is over and Larry Fink making jokes about it just three or four years ago. Ha ha ha. You know, five years ago Trump thinks he'll bring America back. Haha. He hasn't seen China, I mean very arrogant. And now that China's even double crossing the globalists and saying we don't even need you. And Xi Jinping is like, we're going to pay people to have kids. We're not doing your one child policy. More they're breaking with the transhumanist, you know, angle, but, but using the control grid, the cashless society social credit score that the west helped them set up to now project out around the world. And so the globalists are being destroyed by their own Frankenstein monster. And then the EU's decided to ally with China. And again, the UK is at least on the surface, acting like, no, they want to be in a, you know, new Anglophile alliance with the, quote, U.S. empire. And again, the U.S. has a limited window to get everybody on board with us. And then our alliance easily with the key countries in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia central among it, and some other alliances. And then obviously an open economic alliance with Russia, who wants an economic alliance and has more resources than any country in the world. I mean, that is the real chessboard. And that's why the left and the globalists want to drive America and Russia apart. Because geographically and also militarily and then also scientifically and then just raw material. Of course, that is the obvious.
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Tucker Carlson
If you're, if you're, if you believe Russia is our greatest enemy, if you are working full time to divide the United States from Russia, you are acting against the interests of the United States. You hate the United States, you hate the West. You want to see it fall. They hate Russia because it's a white Christian country. That's a fact. Why Russia and all of this, once you take three steps back, makes perfect sense. Like, we have a lot of people in our country working actively for the destruction of the west of Christian civilization. So that's just a fact because it.
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Alex Jones
Stands in the way.
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Tucker Carlson
Sorry, they don't, you know, people don't like it when you say that, but they don't like it when you say it because it's absolutely true. And the farther you get from the United States, that's one of the great benefits of travel, the more obvious it is. Like, you can't, you don't know you're married to an alcoholic until you go on vacation without that person. You're like, oh, I'm married to an alcoholic. Like, you can't see any of this when you're in the middle of it, but when you leave, it's like, oh, my gosh. So, okay, I just want to go back a step. So you have made reference a couple of times to the rise in violence, the acceptance of violence, which is, of course the, you know, the purest distillation of evil, in my opinion. Most obvious, for sure. And there are signs that it's, you know, we're entering a violent stage. I pray that we're not, but it feels like we are. You just had a longtime employee assassinated. I don't know the extent to which you want to talk about that, but what was that? Is it a harbinger of things to come?
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Alex Jones
Well, a month ago, Jamie White, a great reporter, great guy, we were working up there Sunday night till about 9 o'clock I left, he went home and then got shot through the carotid artery. One shot through his neck and then out the back, and then he bled to death. By the time I got to the hospital, about 15 minutes later, the police got there, very.
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Tucker Carlson
How old was he?
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Alex Jones
He was 36. And he was on the Ukraine hit list law. Myself and you and a bunch of other people and everybody getting the SWAT calls, the SWAT team sent to their houses and their families has been on that list as well.
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Tucker Carlson
Just basically everyone you know.
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Alex Jones
Yes, and. And then, of course, you have Ukraine tortured American journalist Gonzalo Lira to death and then celebrated that. And so. And, and of course, we have the, the. The would be assassin down in Mar Lago who was a big leftist, connected all these intelligence agencies recruiting hundreds of fighters for Ukraine, an American, Then he comes back and tries to kill Trump. So I think, I mean, you've seen Alexander Dugan's daughter blown up in front of him in 2022 in Moscow by.
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Tucker Carlson
The Ukrainians in Moscow, murdering a guy's daughter, applauded by Anne Applebaum and all the rest of the ghouls in the United States, effectively because they don't like Alexander Dugan's ideas. So it's okay to murder his daughter with the.
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Alex Jones
Well, that's the new. I mean, that's clearly the help of.
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Tucker Carlson
U. S. Intel agencies. I mean, let's stop lying about it, right?
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Alex Jones
Absolutely. I mean, I said three plus years ago, when the war started, I said, the US Is running all the targeting.
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Tucker Carlson
Of course they are, with the weapons.
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Alex Jones
That'S just a fact. And with their soldiers on the ground. Because I know some of the people whose sons are there when it all started, were really nervous. They didn't give me details. They're like, yeah, your sons are there. Special operations. And there's been a lot of US.
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Tucker Carlson
Military personnel fighting Russia in Ukraine.
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Alex Jones
Absolutely. I mean, I'm on record three years ago saying that. And then two weeks ago, New York Times, the US has been running the war and been there the whole time and, oh, get a Pulitzer Prize. So that, that was all known. And so now Trump is trying to rightfully end it. I mean, people that don't know, I know your audience knows, but we have Victoria Nuland, we have Soros back. We can still talk on Fareed Zarqari on CNN saying, oh, yeah, we went there with State Department money and overthrew their government 15 years ago. We did it again, and we're finally going to break up Russia and I'm going to be the czar of Russia. Five weeks ago, they had the deputy head of the unelected EU Commission say, oh, we're going to keep this war going for decades and we're going to bankrupt Russia with it and we're going to break Russia in five parts. So they're on the news saying, we want peace, we want love. Oh, no, Ukraine will never join NATO, which is why Putin went in and the weapons being brought in onto his border. And then separately, Zelensky's always, no Igoing NATO. And, and, and so again, the west started this war. Imagine if Russia.
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Tucker Carlson
I'm aware.
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Alex Jones
Yeah, I know. You know more better than anybody, probably. No, it just hasn't circled.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Alex Jones
I mean, any American journalist, you've been everywhere, you've documented it. And it's just we are starting to fight these crazies are dragging us in to what's really already World War three conventionally, that every escalation moves as close to a nuclear war. The doomsday clock with the atomic energy scientist, you know, is the closest ever been. And so this is really fundamental. And so any concern I have about being sued or lawfared or attacked doesn't even hit my psychological, spiritual, mental radar because the big threat is so big of what these megalomaniacs are doing.
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Tucker Carlson
So one thing I don't, one fact I don't think has penetrated the brains of policymakers in Washington is that we just lost a war with Russia. The U.S. was running that war. The U.S. military, the Pentagon, State Department, CIA running the war against Russia. It was never about Ukraine. No one in Washington cares about Ukraine or the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men destroyed. The fact it'll be populated by third worlders. I mean, Ukraine, we just eliminated Ukraine. Nobody cares. This was a war against Russia. They hate Russia for a lot of reasons, mostly spiritual. But we lost. And my concern is, because nobody will say that out loud, that we're overstating our power. And in the same way that you sometimes see, like, divorced 60 year old guys hitting on young women and don't realize that young women think this is absurd. You're like an old man. You really think I'm going to sleep with you? But the 60 year old guy hasn't readjusted to the reality of his present condition. He still thinks he's 25. Do you see what I'm saying? And he humiliates himself. That can happen at the level of nations where you think you can affect outcomes that you actually don't have the power to, to bring about. And so that's called hubris. And that's how empires get destroyed and populations vaporized. And I'm really afraid of that. We should know that we were not able to win a conventional war against Russia, period. So what does that say about our power? And maybe we should readjust our expectations a little bit. I don't want that to be true, by the way. I'm American. I'm not leaving. My family's buried here. But don't you think that we run the risk of thinking we're capable of things that we're not capable of doing?
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Alex Jones
Well, it's an example. Hillary had a lot of fraud baked in, but Trump wanted such a landslide. He beat her. And then a lot of Republicans and conservatives and populists thought Trump was going to win for sure. So we'd have as big a turnout. So they were able to steal 2020, but there was such a giant landslide this time. It overrode the mail in ballots. You have the dead people, the illegal aliens voting, all of that. They ran out of bullets. But that's a perfect example of how the, the Democrats were sure they were going to win in November last year, and they were sure they were going to win in November, in 2016, and they didn't. So they had this incredible hubris and this incredible arrogance and, and so many of them are actually militarily ignorant themselves. They just put on this big imperious act. And of course there's the clip of Sean Penn saying, well, I don't think nuclear weapons should be off the table. We shouldn't be afraid to use them because that gives Russia an advantage. Well, it's called mutually assured destruction for a reason, because anybody that uses them is insane.
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Tucker Carlson
So, I mean, well, they got in the middle of the war. This just came out the other day. The Pentagon wrote an assessment saying that they calculated that if we gave weapons to Ukraine that allowed the Ukrainian military or our military using Ukraine as a proxy to hit targets within Russia, they judged the likelihood of a nuclear exchange at 50%. And they did it anyway. At that point, like, you should be in prison for the criminally insane.
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Alex Jones
Well, that's right. If Russia moved, you're risking nuclear war.
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Tucker Carlson
Like, you should be locked up. I don't understand. Like, that's. I couldn't even believe that. I mean, I, of course, intuitively knew that.
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Alex Jones
And say that again. It's not a rubbish. That's important to sink in for people.
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Tucker Carlson
That, that the Pentagon under Joe Biden assessed. Like, because they assess the likelihood of everything or they get, you know, they guess, they sort of work out how they think things will progress. But in every scenario, globally, they do this. This is what they do at the Pentagon, and they assess that if we gave certain weapons, weapons that allowed the Ukrainians to strike targets within Russia, if we did that, which we did, the chance of a nuclear exchange, nuclear holocaust that killed everybody on Earth would be 50%, and they did it anyway. So imagine the brain, imagine the evil. Like, you would have to be controlled by supernatural forces to do something. I think there's a 50% chance every person on Earth could be killed in a nuclear exchange, but I'm doing it anyway. Like, why aren't you? How are you still walking free? I'm serious.
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Alex Jones
No, and I'm glad you brought that assessment up, because I've really tried to get people to focus on that. And I agree with that assessment. I mean, let's boil that down. Imagine if Russia had the equivalent of ATACMs and storm shadows in Canada, in Mexico, on our border, that they can fire above the trees that can't be shot down, that are nuclear capable. And Putin said this, he said, if you shoot a few missiles once it started, we'll just shoot them down. But if we see a large aerospace attack with a whole bunch of these, we have to believe it is a first strike to take out our nuclear deterrent. And so when we see a large signature of a large aerospace attack, be it cruise missiles, be it glide bombs, be it a mix of aircraft or all of them, we will do a total commitment. And then Russia and TV said, here's the government scenario. And it showed nukes hitting all the NATO countries and submarines, you know, hitting on from there. And we're talking about world destroyed in 30 minutes, folks, for sure. Submarines off our coast. Two minutes, New York's gone. You know, five minutes, Dallas is gone. This is real. What would happen if Russia was bombing D.C. with conventional bombs, with large heavy cruise missiles that, that they're droning the Capitol.
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Tucker Carlson
The US did, through the Ukrainians, they droned the Kremlin.
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Alex Jones
You were there once when you saw one blow up.
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Tucker Carlson
I was there. I was actually driving by when I was over there last winter to interview Putin. I was driving by the Kremlin, just like on the street in downtown Moscow, smoke coming out of the top of the Kremlin. And so I called the, like, the guy at the press office who I was dealing with for to set up the Putin interview from the vehicle. And I was like, I think your Kremlin's on fire. And he's like, oh, no, no, no, it's not. I was like, I'm right there. I'm looking at it. Russians never want to admit that they have been unable to defend their capital city. So they, you know, a lot of murder has taken place by the Ukrainians, of Russians in, and attempted murder of Americans, by the way.
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Alex Jones
And just think about the provocation here. And.
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Tucker Carlson
But the Russians in every case are like, oh, that's not happening. They don't want to admit it because. For a bunch of reasons, but it would force them to response. But anyway, I called up and like, I think you guys just got droned. No, no, didn't happen. But it did happen. I saw it. I personally saw it. So, like, there's been a ton of that stuff. What would we do if the Russians droned the U.S. capitol or the White House? Like, that's so freaking crazy.
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Alex Jones
Russia knows it's a provocation. The globalists want to reset their financial systems going down, and they're willing to roll the dice. And they think a nuclear war survivable, as you know, as the Pentagon has said. So it's complete madness.
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Tucker Carlson
Nuclear war is not survivable. That. That's a fact.
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Alex Jones
It's not, by the way.
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Tucker Carlson
Nuclear weapon explodes over a nuclear power plant. What happens? Anyone know?
- [55:30]
Alex Jones
Massive meltdown that makes Fukushima look like.
- [55:32]
Tucker Carlson
Exactly. And we have a lot of nuclear power plants around the world, so there's.
- [55:35]
Alex Jones
Over 450 that we big. That are big, industrial, thousands of small. And when society breaks down, they all melt down in different ways. Much worse than Fukushima and Chernobyl combined.
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Tucker Carlson
I agree.
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Alex Jones
And it makes the whole surface of the earth that it's mainline science unlivable for hundreds of millions of years.
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Tucker Carlson
I agree. And I know everyone's for nuclear power, and it's like, obvious we need nuclear power. I. I don't. Okay, I'm not against nuclear power in theory, but until someone can answer the question you just posed, like, what about that?
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Alex Jones
Plus, they're never run Right. They always have scenarios where they're not going to leak. Basically they all see all these stupid.
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Tucker Carlson
Concerns like the answer is nuclear. You want more a data centers comma, which I don't. The answer is coal, obviously. But I don't understand why everyone. This is such a sidebar and I'll stop in one sentence. But those of us who grew up in the 70s and 80s remember that all the opponents nuclear power were like furry armpit dumb people and all the Greenpeace people. And so you're just like, oh, shut up. Nuclear is obviously the solution. You just don't understand science. How can you be against climate change and also against nuclear power? I've said that myself like 100 times on TV. But it's not about the spent fuel rods. What do we do with nuclear waste? That's easy. Put it in Yucca Mountain. It's about, what if these things are untended? What if they're the subject of a conventional or nuclear attack?
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Alex Jones
And you look at all the mismanagement, massive vulnerability.
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Tucker Carlson
Why doesn't anyone mention that? Before we put nuclear power plants all over my country, which I think a lot of people are psyched to do, because they want to get rich from AI, they should answer the question like that's really freaking scary.
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Alex Jones
No, you have to also ask, why do they build so many in here and in like Japan, the plants right on fault lines. I mean there's a real. We see a lot of ineptitude in industry and things. So you don't want to have things that have the potential to be so dangerous. And when coal creates carbon dioxide that plants breathe and the earth used to have a lot higher carbon dioxide than it does now and it makes plants live longer, yields are up, it will green the planet. All the studies show it. We're actually terraforming the earth to make it better. It's like God given. When you actually look at the real studies and talk to the real climatologists, the people, they'll tell you, no, no, it's great that we're bringing this old carbon back up and putting it back in the atmosphere. This is fabulous. More carbon is good. Carbon dioxide, oxygen, water and sunlight are the four ingredients of life on this planet. And the globalist created a way to tax and regulate one of the four pillars of life on this planet. It is good. I mean, again, they're trying to convince us that cows methane is bad. You actually look at the carbon equation, it all turns right back into the gases it came from. It's a good Guess. But again, if the cows are bad, well, what else releases methane? We do. We're the carbon that they want to reduce. They want to teach us to hate ourselves, teach us not have a life force. And their new religion is they will give us all these indulgences and all these flagellations and all these things we have to do to atone for how bad we are to the priest class, that is the big satanic green church.
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Tucker Carlson
So the threat of nuclear war overhangs any conflict with a country that has nuclear weapons. Of course, you push someone far enough, you know, you don't know what could happen and it could result in the extinction of humanity. So that's like the main fact. That's why people want to run, not to have nukes. Right? Obviously. So with that in mind, what do you make of the public? Repeated public statements by a bunch of European leaders, particularly Starmer in the UK and the president of France that they're ready to continue the war against Russia with their own feeble armies. That seems crazy to me. What is that actually about?
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Alex Jones
And they've said that now they're sending their troops, that if they get killed then that's direct war with NATO. They admit that the EU population wise is collapsing. Those they've brought in, most of them, 80% never even get jobs. That all the different ministers, defense ministers, as you know the last few years have said, our business model is a 20 year war. They think they can continue that and somehow bankrupt Russia and again break it up into five parts. So they've made it existential for themselves. They made it existential for Russia. And you go back to the Pentagon assessment that was public, that 50 chance that if we start bombing and that's the west doing it, mainly the U.S. inside Russia, they would strike back with nukes. And then Putin clarifying, well, if we see a large launch, it could be a sneak attack with nukes. So we're gonna have to go ahead and nuke you at that point. Please don't do that. So at least they limited, you know, to, to four or five big cruise missile attacks a day. And then, you know, maybe 100 drones a day going into major cities and attacking their nuclear bases, their nuclear bomber bases. I mean, extreme provocation, testing the line and not playing Russian roulette where you have a six shot revolver and you put one 357 Magnum casing in round in. But this is three out of six. And they're like, well that's a safe bet. Let's roll the dice, spin the cylinder and then click it to our head every day. It just goes. The fundamental insanity that you see escalating. I mean, if you go back to the.
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Tucker Carlson
But actual, like actual insanity, not, you know, I don't know, will tariffs work or something, you know, whatever you could argue. But like risking nuclear war, I mean, that's so crazy that I can hardly believe it's real.
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Alex Jones
That's a good point. They say Trump saying our surrender to these one sided trade deals, which is totally true and de industrialized this and destroyed our morale and is a huge national security issue that he's rolling the dice there. No, no, no. It would be rolling the dice.
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Tucker Carlson
Rolling dice with nuclear war again. I think you should be in prison for even having that. That's like the craziest thing I can imagine.
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Alex Jones
Well, remember Biden just two years ago said we can't send F16s and Abrams tanks because that escalates the threat ladder of the Rand corporation. That's World War Three. But they went ahead and did that. Then they went to the bombing inside. So I, the reason I went back to that, I'm glad you raised it, is the EU is refusing to end the war. We're trying to drag us into it fully. They're arresting their political opposition, Colleen Georgescu in Romania. They're not letting him run in the new election.
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Tucker Carlson
He's an amazing man. I just talked to him amazing day before yesterday.
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Alex Jones
And then Marley Le Pen, that is super popular in the head presidential polls. So they have judge find her guilty of nothing and take her off the ballot. You have the State Department under Biden admittedly working in Brazil with Lula to take Bolsonaro off the ballot because he's popular and then indict him. And they're talking about doing it in Hungary, they're talking about doing it in Poland. They said if AfD1, which they almost did, that the EU Commission might cancel that election. So the EU is really taken off the mask and people that don't know it was set up in 56 as a steel deal treaty of Rome and they got the nations over time to sign away their sovereignty to it.
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Tucker Carlson
I remember.
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Alex Jones
And an unelected commission with Vanderleyden, you know, up there running all of this. And she even came out, as you know, on Monday and said, well, Trump's blown up the international order. He's. He's defeated the new world order. And she said, okay, we're going to go ahead and agree at least in principle to what Trump is saying. And that's because the Trade is completely one sided. So again, Trump's move isn't just the perfect move. It's perfect in that it's the only moves we have left for us and for global stabilization. That's why anybody that cares about self preservation for the whole planet should be fully behind Trump's policies that are very popular around the world and are seen as sane. And again, the world, this, this huge alliance of nations wants to join that team. And the good news is Trump's polls are the highest ever. I know the American people are understanding that and getting that. The concern is, it is kind of.
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Tucker Carlson
Crazy that his number, I mean, I'm getting, you know, because I live in a rich people world for part of the year. I know a lot of rich people and boy, they're really upset. And I share their instinctive concern about any chaos. My parents got divorced. I hate chaos. Right. So I get that. But, but from my perspective, I'll just admit it, like on my phone, it's like, I voted for Trump. What the hell's going on? You know, And I get it. I'm not, you know, criticizing anyone. But then his numbers go up. Well, I like to shows you that you can even. I really make a big effort to like, live in different places, know different people, not be a captive of my surroundings, not just live among rich people with like dumb rich people attitudes, like, really try to be bigger than that. And I always flatter myself that I succeed. But even I am like, I guess, kind of captive to that because then I see the numbers and I'm like, people really like this. His numbers went up after the tariffs. That's correct.
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Alex Jones
Right, Absolutely.
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Tucker Carlson
Wow.
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Alex Jones
Well, I like to talk to folks out there saying Trump is, is, is being a destabilizer. The globalist order was collapsing by their own corruption and mismanagement and their alliance with China being double crossed. And so that old order was already being collapsed by them. And Trump's coming in very pragmatically with a good, fair, freedom based meritocracy, competition based system. But two people that want to talk about destabilization, starting a war with Russia, total destabilization, dissolving the borders and all the human smuggling and the fentanyl, total destabilization, engaging in all this overspending and the country basically being bankrupt if we don't grow our way out of it, total destabilization. And then wink, wink, the attempted assassinations of Trump. What do they think would have happened if Trump really would have gotten killed in Pennsylvania in July of last year or a few months later in Florida, if you look at the scenarios there, they run from bad to worse. So the real destabilization and bad for.
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Tucker Carlson
The people behind it, like, clearly, those assassinations were not lone gunmen. They were part of a much, much larger conspiracy. Obviously, everyone knows that. But those people behind those attempted murders would have been in bigger trouble had those murders succeeded. Attempted murder succeeded, correct.
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Alex Jones
Absolutely. And if they somebody's able to kill Trump now, people better hope he doesn't get struck by a bolt of lightning, because the bad guys will get the blame. And that's why so many people that have kind of been on the fence, the establishment, but we're working with the globalists, because that was the system, are enthusiastically joining Trump and Elon because they understand that this is the only game in town for people that aren't delusional. But you have that megalomania.
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Tucker Carlson
I think that's so true. Yeah.
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Alex Jones
You have that megalomania. Historically, when elites have never lost before and are losing that they just continue to accelerate and intensify. And I know you've covered this. A lot of the people don't seem to know that. In, In August of 2020, I mentioned earlier there was a big article in New York Times with John Podesta covering a war game they just had that if Trump was able to win, they were going to have blue states secede and blue cities secede, and then create civil unrest and civil war conditions. And then when they knew Trump was going to win because the poll numbers were so incredible, a few months before the last election last year, Raskin, Carville, Podesta, all of them said civil war conditions. We're going to need to have uprisings. Carville said, that Trump's coming to kill you. We got to rise up, Carbal said, and others. And they are clearly escalating with the Tesla attacks and the swatting attacks and the calls for violence. The 55% of, you know, liberal Democrats in a study want Trump killed. They are embracing, you know, real terrorism, real domestic terrorism, and that's building towards what I believe is in the cards, because you see the Democrat pundits and their operatives everywhere before the election and after it, in the last 78 days or so, saying once he got in office, Trump and Tom Homan are going to kill migrants. And when they do, there's going to be an uprising. And, well, Trump's not going to go mow down people at an illegal alien administration. You also them saying Trump supporters are going to attack black people or where would black People be alone in big numbers. A church, university, Trump supporters are going to kill black people, people. And we know a lot of the globalist groups have been funding white supremacist groups and domestic terror groups and basically run them historically. So the last piece with all the pre programming I've seen is that to have these uprises you need something much bigger than George Floyd, much bigger than Jesse Smollett. And so I am predicting on the current trajectory of what they were game before and what they said, the final piece they need for this destabilization that they'll label a race based civil war that will then crash the markets and be used kind of like the predictive programming in the movie that came out last year, Civil War, to have a bunch of states and the main military join them in a military operation to remove Trump when the Trumpian figure in the movie is killed, you know, and executed inside the, inside the Oval Office. And so that's their dream, that's their backup plan. And you have the two camps, one campus is kind of the Chucky Schumer completely evil. But is it particularly publicly pushing that though he had his famous whirlwind, you know, we're coming after you speech.
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Tucker Carlson
But he's an old man.
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Alex Jones
Absolutely. So you have the Soros wing with Alexander Soros that more and more is in charge and is really making a run at escalating domestic unrest and terrorism leading into some triggering events starting. Things are aligning for this summer. And I know that folks in the government, their patriots are aware of that. But I think that the spokespersons and others need to really get ahead of all this calls for violence and not just repudiate it, but talk about the Democrat leadership and they're talking heads that are pushing and I mean we've seen Colbert just last week say deep state, please, you know, do something, stop Trump. And so that's where we are. So, so, so they want to expand war to try to take control of the agenda. They've been hyping a new virus being released to try to stop Trump's reboot of our economy because they think that would stop this populist revolution in Europe. It's arresting their political opposition and you know, stopping elections. And they also have Europe trying to sue Elon Musk and billion dollar fines trying to shut him down like we saw with Brazil. So those are the different strategies. They're also doing big put options and naked shorts trying to crash the market and then blaming Trump's tariffs on that. So it's economic terrorism. The buildup of domestic terrorism, the false flags that can be used. A nuclear false flag to get us in direct war with Russia. A new viral release. Those are the things they've got set up, ready to go and that they've said before they would use to maintain control.
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Tucker Carlson
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Alex Jones
They're trying it in Canada.
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Tucker Carlson
It's definitely happening in Canada. And these were formerly free countries in Australia. And so the one place that it isn't gonna happen right now is the United States because of the first Amendment. So how do you end first amendment protections? Will you pick off people like you? Which they've been trying to do for over a decade. And you know, I happen to be, as I've told you many times in private, I happen to be on a fishing trip when I worked at Fox. The night that you were taken off the air. And I thought it was like one of the greatest threats to speech in the United States I'd ever seen. I wasn't there. And Fox News prevented my fill in host from defending you because Alex Jones is bad. Okay. That's when I realized they were in on it. But, but they need to end speech in the United States. They need to shut down X. They have to. And my guess is, and I hope I'm wrong, that there's, there is like legitimate hate and extremism on social media. You know, to the point where it makes me uncomfortable. I'm thinking that maybe a lot of that is manufactured actually. And that if there is a mass shooting and God forbid, but if there is a mass shooting of the people who've been targeted for hate on actual hate. That's true. On social media that that will be used as a pretext to shut it down.
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Alex Jones
Absolutely.
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Tucker Carlson
And, and has this occurred to you? Yes, because I see people on, on social media who I know for a fact, I think I know are being funded by the very people they're attacking. It's like what. Including one of the biggest voices. Like I know that that's true. And so like what is this? And it's clearly preparatory to some sort of event that will shut down. A violent event that will be used as a pretext to shut down free speech. Am I being paranoid?
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Alex Jones
No, I, that's, that's where all the foundation's been laid, actually. The superstructure has been built.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Alex Jones
They're just putting the finishing touches on it. And so in a way it's fortuitous that I'm here today because you were here. I was talking to my lawyer. Right before we started taping. We got some really big news that in Connecticut the Supreme Court said we're not even hearing your appeal now because it was so strong. The kangaroo show trial that I was went through there a few years ago where the judge had already found me guilty, wouldn't.
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Tucker Carlson
Guilty of what? Of having an unauthorized opinion, of being mean or whatever. Those are all legal under the US Constitution. Like you cannot be punished for giving your opinion. I don't care how ugly other people think it is. And you've contested whether you even gave that opinion. But it does. It doesn't matter. Under our system you're allowed to say what you think. Period.
- [74:21]
Alex Jones
Well, you're right. Especially that's what the Bill of Rights is. And we have a Supreme Court rulings with the New York Times Sullivan scene.
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Tucker Carlson
And Brandenburg versus Ohio. You have a right to Your opinion.
- [74:32]
Alex Jones
And what they did was with all these PR firms and massive thousands of articles, sometimes a month, and hundreds of TV programs a year, they built a straw man. Once I was censored off the Internet the last seven years, still on my website, infowars.com still on some talk radio. But it was the verboten thing. People had to go, you know, get underground. They could then build a straw man of things I had supposedly done. I never did. And then when I wasn't defended other than people like you, it set the precedent to then come after everybody else, including President Trump, when he was taking off everything on January 6th, so people couldn't hear him saying, be peaceful. Before, during the.
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Tucker Carlson
I defended black nationalists who hate whites. Obviously don't agree with them. I am white. So are my kids. Like, I reject their program. But they were indicted for giving their opinions. And, like, we cannot allow that. And now the ACLU is just completely captured. It's like a training organization. Nothing to do with free speech. Like, where are the people who will stand up for the foundational right that separates a free man from a slave, which is the right to say what you think. And why were they. Also, may they bask in shame for not defending you? I mean that.
- [75:37]
Alex Jones
Well, I have a major update in the last seven years of them suing me and this whole saga, we now have basically all the pieces of exactly what happened. I told you some about it last night. It would take a few minutes, but I could just give people a basic summation of what's happened.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, please.
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Alex Jones
But first, just an example of free speech. In Texas, there's famous cases where they take people's small children because the school secretly convinces them with grant money they get paid for public and private, that a little boy is really a girl, a little girl's really a boy. They then the parents find out the school's been putting them in a database, giving them a social worker, sending them to special school, times with peer pressure of other kids that have been put in the cult for sterilization, transhumanism. And then they take the person's child, saying it's abuse. When you argue, know, my son is really a boy, not a girl. Well, now Colorado in the House, as you know, just passed the bill, it's in the Senate, and they allowed no debate, saying that if a parent finds out their kid is being brainwashed and says, no, my. My son is a boy, my girl's a girl, that is abuse. And they're going to officially take your child. Other states have Passed laws like Oregon and Washington. So you talk about free speech. This is beyond that. This is parental rights. This is everything. Now say parents can't argue and say to the state that has determined that your child's other sex. And then in places like New Jersey and other states, the hospital systems now have on the form, when your child's born, dozens of things. Transgender, all these other names, gender, queer, all these things where the parents pick at birth what the baby's going to be and say this. So, so if the state wants to come and say they're another sex, that's okay. If parents don't like it, their kid gets taken in these areas. That's where this is going. It's already happening. But if the parents want to opt in, they can decide for their child. So as long as you decide that we're going to chemically and then medically sterilize surgically this poor little person that's being put into this death cult, then it's okay. The only thing you're not allowed to say is no, I say no to this designation. So that's where Alex Jones having his speech massively attacked go. So now it's a long story, but here's the summation. I didn't understand, even though I know a lot of things about politics in the world, I didn't understand how PR firms work, how law firms work, how the deep state was operating. And they later admitted even on msnbc, that a few years ago, oh, we've been successful with Alex Jones. Next we're going to do it with people like Tucker Carlson and they mentioned you. So Hillary knows she's in trouble. Two months before the election, 2016, she does a 20 plus million dollar ad buy talking about me and twisting what I had said about that event in Connecticut, that mass shooting. And then the ad, she says, Alex Jones is Trump's brain. This is the guy that Trump says is an amazing person. We'll be talking a lot. You're a great guy. And they show that clip of Trump on my show saying that. So they created a demonized version of me to attack Trump. Then that made me this huge demon on the left even more then for two years, articles every day, sometimes dozens a day. TV shows, programs, pbs, cnn, msnbc, every channel, Foreign news, Tokyo news, Russian news. It was just, it was, it was being pushed over. Alex Jones is bullying kids, parents, dead kids. Alex Jones is sending people to pee on graves. None of that ever even happened, much less me. And then they sue me and then they want all this discovery and they say, who do you work for? Who's telling you what's doing? The Republicans in all these depositions, of course it wasn't there. So they hold me in default for saying I didn't give them my secret plan to get rich off these people that I barely ever even talked about. They put 22 minutes of evidence in the Texas show trial or I was found guilty by the judge and the Connecticut show trial that were only a month apart in 2022 in the fall. So I go in, HBO's producing it, cameras putting makeup on the judges. I, I'm giving 20 plus things I can't talk about. My lawyers are sanctioned that they try to raise that. Well, where did Alex Jones say this? Where did he do this? No evidence could be showed to counter them. They could just say whatever they wanted to. And then they have a billion and a half dollar judgment in Connecticut. They have a 50 million dollar judgment total or 49 million dollar in Texas because I'm already found guilty. Then the judge tells them to say how guilty I am. They lie and totally exaggerate all the money I have, say I got it from these people with no evidence. And, and so I knew I was being railroaded for my speech. They said in the Connecticut trial and in the Texas show trial and on the courthouse steps, we don't want money for Mr. Jones, we want to shut him down. They said that in court filing. So I go into bankruptcy because I'm out of money personally. Never had all this money, they said, not even a fraction of it. And so for three years I'm in bankruptcy and they keep going and say we don't want money, we want him closed. The judge keeps saying no, you have to actually, you know, do a settlement with him or we have to sell infowars.
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Tucker Carlson
And this is all because you said something that other people said they were offended by.
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Alex Jones
Yes, but, but, but, but how can.
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Tucker Carlson
You, I don't understand in a free country how other people being offended by what you say can have you destroyed by the state.
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Alex Jones
Well, well, it's more than that. They said I sent people to their houses, I peed on graves, all this stuff that nobody did.
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Tucker Carlson
Why weren't you arrest? You can't pee on a grave.
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Alex Jones
When were you arrested in Connecticut?
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Tucker Carlson
Why weren't you arrested for pee on the grave?
- [80:53]
Alex Jones
Out of the people that sued me, I only said the name of one of the people ever.
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Tucker Carlson
If you commit a crime, you should be criminally charged for it and the state has to prove that you did it at which point you're convicted and punished. If the state accuses you of something but doesn't charge you with it, they're fucking liars. Like by definition they, they don't. That's not on the list of options that they can just discredit you, attack your character, destroy you. No, no, the state has one option. If you committed a crime, they charge you with the crime and they prove you did the crime.
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Alex Jones
It's that tried it. And I never got investigated for stalking or anything because I did nothing for any crime. So, so, so, so here's where it gets crazy. Here's what we've learned since they had the show trials.
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Tucker Carlson
I know it's. None of the libertarians defended you either. Where was the Reason foundation and Cato and all these supposedly freedom minded non profits who are just freaking liars. Like none of them defended you that I know of.
- [81:43]
Alex Jones
Bare minimum. They were bought off or they wanted to keep their head down. So, so, so, so here's what we learned. The Democratic Party and the Justice Department, the FBI and the CIA. This has come out in court, come out in documents. Now we've got it all. I published it at Infowars. That could be shut down literally in days. Now we're finally for the Wire today, this big ruling, but it's. The truth's out there, but they don't want you to know it. So they come after me to demonize Trump. Then they run ads on Facebook and Twitter and everywhere for the two years before they sue me. 2017, 2018, saying I'm attacking him, saying I'm coming after him, using my name to raise money. Okay? It turns out hundreds of millions using my name, this has come out, saying I'm victimizing him and then never showing what I supposedly did. Just this man's hurting us. Help us, help us. Then I was already taken off the Internet after that for other reasons that they cooked up. They had Lester Holt get up on TV and say Alex Jones called for people to get battle rifles and go attack Democrats. No, I talked about them antifa attacking your house and how they were planning to attack more people's houses. And I said, none of us are going to be violent. But I said, everybody needs to have their battle rifle ready or their shotgun in their home if the left comes to kill you.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, as someone whose house was attacked by antifa, I agree completely.
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Alex Jones
But, but then Holt never showed what I supposedly said, right? He just said straight up, okay, so I wasn't even taking off Internet for Sandy Hook because I wasn't even known for that. Okay. Barely ever talked about it. Then they sue me, then they run more pr, then they raise more money off of me. And then when they didn't find anything in the. In their. All their discovery because there was nothing that I did, then they have the judges both find me in default coordinate for both trials to be held in a month and a half period in late 2022. And then right after they win the jury's fine for all this money, they come back and they say, that's not enough, your honor. We want 2.75 trillion. That's the GDP of India. People don't believe that. Just type in Alex Jones, Sandy Hook, 2.75 trillion. And. And so the judge said, no, you just get 1.5.
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Tucker Carlson
In retrospect, did you ever think when. When they awarded judgment against you equivalent to the GDP of India, did you ever think, like, maybe I should keep my visions to myself and not like, next time I see 911 coming, I just shouldn't say anything? Because people who predict the future accurately are always punished for it.
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Alex Jones
I think that's. I mean. Yeah. I mean. Well, what I realized was I've got something important to say, so I better say it even louder because the evil wants to shut down. But just to finish the key part. I'm sorry.
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Tucker Carlson
Sorry.
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Alex Jones
No, no, no, no, no.
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Tucker Carlson
It's making me upset hearing this.
- [84:14]
Alex Jones
No, no, no. I'm saying I haven't gotten to the big stuff. I'm just giving people the background.
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Tucker Carlson
This is not the country. Country I grew up in at all. Just saying that. Sorry.
- [84:20]
Alex Jones
Well, no, no, you're right. Thank you for the platform. No, thank you. Tucker and I told you all this last night. It took 30 minutes. Let me just try to condense it. So I know they're trying to demonize me to get it from. I know they're trying to set the president to shut down everybody else, and once I'm demonized, they think nobody will defend me. And that says the president. They admitted all that. Then when they win the show trial that was already fixed, these PR firms come out of Newark, Connecticut, and go, we've been doing this for years. We exposed Jones. We did this. We helped get this big win, blah, blah, blah. Then this undercover video comes out that is in a predator sexting trolling operation in D.C. which the guy was never implicated in. But that's how he got caught up with the troll trolling operation. This oblevis person, CIA and FBI, it's confirmed, says, well, we investigated Alex Jones for years. At the FBI. Then he went on the CIA Tories currently. And he said, we couldn't find anything criminal on him. So we went to the Sandy Hook people with law firms, and we developed this plan with this narrative to take him down. And now we're in the process of shutting him down. And the person says, well, are you still trying to put him in prison? No, we've just destroyed his name and destroyed who he is. It's all on video. It's online. Just type in FBI, CIA agent you know, admits to running Sandy Hook. Frame job of Alex Jones.
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Alex Jones
No, it's illegal.
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, it's illegal. Okay.
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Alex Jones
Of course, she's begging the question. Absolutely. So, so then, then we have that. But then I go, wait a minute. At the trial last year, they have this FBI agent. It was the chief counsel who on the stand, they say it to hide it in plain view. The Democrat Party law firm talked to him for like a day. And he goes, so you went and got the suit against Mr. Jones? Yes, I went to your law firm, Mr. Koskoff, and I, and I went to the families, you know, and I organized them to do this. So they're hiding in plain view. The chief counsel of Connecticut that I didn't pick up on at the time, why is he on the stand? I'm sitting there talking about how he went and set this up and did this to me. Then later, we have Oblivious talking about years ago. We criminally investigated him for a decade. We couldn't find anything. So we went into this sibling. So now that's two of them admitting it on the stand. And undercover video. Now this is where it gets wild. Then three days after Trump's in office. We'd done a FOIA request two years ago for my FBI file. We've done it many times. They never responded back soon as Trump gets in, they send us a disc in the mail. I get a call from the FBI saying hey, be sure you watch your mail. And they send me a disc of our foyer. And it was 196 files. But it was just the COVID sheets. It said the rest national security. But it said Alex Jones top national security threat. Obama administration ordered me to be a level three terror national security threat. In 2013. I had Kyle Seraphin on who knows how to read the code documents on the dozens of pages I got that were attached he said probably to thousands but 196 other investigation packets. And we're talking weekly and monthly meetings out of the Boston field office. And Trump didn't learn about this, his first admin. So we learned this was going on until I was sent this by the new FBI director. Okay. Or the new FBI. And, and it's just the COVID sheets but they have codes on it that Kyle Seraphin used to run counterterrorism. The FBI, huge whistleblower came on my show for hours and documented what it meant. Then he talked to his sources currently in D.C. and they said yeah, we're actually on this. It's bad. Okay, so Obama illegally had me declared a national security threat. Open criminal espionage investigation with huge resources. Humet attempted infiltration. That's all the codes. And that's now makes sense. People, people we'd hire trying to set us up, trying to get us to commit crimes. All this stuff over the years, hacking into our surveillance camera systems, trying to find something dirty, all sorts of sabotage. So now, I mean I'm living in a spy movie. So so, so we, so, so we get that like 10 days in the Trump administration, three days in. They, they, they mail it. It comes to the mail like seven days later. So now we have that. So we have Oblivis admitting it from the FBI and CIA. We have the other lead counsel in, in Connecticut admitting it on the stand. Proud of it. I didn't complain to you just because they knew it would come out. Then we get another FBI contact. They say why don't you go look at the Federal Register and it look for money going to these Sandy Hook foundations of the people that sued me. We go look, it's $4 million plus in payments to them right after they sue me and then two payments to them during when both trials started.
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Tucker Carlson
So one payments from whom?
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Alex Jones
From the Justice Department.
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Tucker Carlson
So tax dollars.
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Alex Jones
Tax dollars. Over $4 million from the Justice Department were paid to the main Sandy Hook foundation that is on the board. And the head of IT for the people suing me that ran it.
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Tucker Carlson
This is crazy.
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Alex Jones
So, so, so, so, so. So now we have the justice department, and. And I'm releasing those documents. Was actually planning to release them today, a week ago, before you invited me out here. So that's all going to be out today. The documents, all of. But, but. But it's online. They don't hide it. Also, millions and millions and millions more of COVID money went to them. And you know what happened to Cori Bush's husband. I'm not saying it's illegal. It should be looked into. So this. So this is why this is important. This is the most open and shut start to finish operation we've ever seen with all this money directly from the justice department, with the justice department admitting they initiated it in undercover tapes with the CIA. Then you have the FBI admitting on the stand that they initiated it. Then you have the money directly from the justice department to them, directly when they're attacking me. And then it gets worse. In the last year, in my bankruptcy, they. Before that, they attached the US Trustee, which they can do under federal law, to my bankruptcy. Like I'm Enron. Most people don't have this happen. So there's just department lawyers and agents at my depositions giving me u. S. Code to read before the deposition when, after I'm sworn in, that if I say anything incorrect, they're going to charge me with felonies. Okay. But I still don't take the fix. I've done nothing wrong. And I have accountants, and it's all lies. They're alleging I've stolen hundreds of millions of dollars from these people. None of that's true. Don't have hundreds of millions of dollars. Ever had $10 million of extra laying around with the.
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Tucker Carlson
You stole money from what people?
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Alex Jones
They just say, I harassed them, I made money off them. It's their money. It's just all made up. But I have the justice department there. So then the justice department has the US Trustee in May of last year order a private security company on a Friday evening to show up with guns on their sides and say, everybody out of the building. And I say, where's the court order? And I say, call the head of your security company. I get on the phone, he goes, hey, I'm telling the people this, too. We got to have a court order. I'm going to tell them they showed.
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Tucker Carlson
Up at your office.
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Alex Jones
They showed up my office with guns. Armed security. Yes. Yeah. And. And so I call my lawyers. They don't even Believe it's happening. We get a hearing and the judge blocks it. Then he has a full evidentiary hearing. June 14 fires the US trustee removes them, removes the CRO that did it okay. In the bankruptcy and then appoints a new one who comes in to be all buddy, buddy. Then they, he says, okay, we want to sell it. And then that way proceeds have sold infowars. But then we have buyers that are good, that'll keep it going. The Sandy Hook families, really Democratic party says we don't want money in court filings. We want it shut down. The judge says, no, you will sell it at an auction, but cash auction. Then they have a auctions date set. The day before they say that's canceled. It'll be private. Bids turned in on that Monday and then the next day we will tell you the winner is. Well, then it was the Bloomberg financing his everytown group, the Onion. Everybody heard the Onion had gotten in for us. Remember that back in, back in November. So all that happens. So we, we countersue. The judge has hearings on December 9th and 10th, says there was never an auction that was fraudulent. You know, you guys need to settle this and you need to get money for Mr. Jones's buyers and it needs to stop. They come back to the judge three times and say, we don't want money. We don't ever want it sold. We want it shut down. So the judge said about a month ago, he said, okay, I'm done. This has gone on three years. Take it to state court. The state court is Judge Bellis that did the show trial with hbo. Or that that's Judge where Gamble in Texas is Judge, that's the other judge in Connecticut. So it's Judge where Gamble, just like Judge Bellis running the show trial, finding me guilty, she has said as soon as she gets that, she's going to send in the constables from the county and just close the doors, lock it, because they don't want the money that it can produce. They don't want any of that. They want it shut down.
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Tucker Carlson
Can I ask you a reality based question here? So all of this stems.
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Alex Jones
Sorry, that's a long story, but.
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Tucker Carlson
No, no, no, no. It's a, it's a shocking story, but I, I just don't want to lose the base.
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Alex Jones
And it's never been told in full.
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Tucker Carlson
The baseline facts. Okay. So all of this stems from a school shooting in Connecticut 12 years ago. 12 years ago. And you suggested on air that there was something weird about this.
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Alex Jones
I covered other people saying that.
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Tucker Carlson
Correct. You did not Commit the school shooting?
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Alex Jones
No, Adam Lancer did.
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Tucker Carlson
Adam Lance. It did.
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Alex Jones
And I said for years. I believe it happened before they sued me.
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Tucker Carlson
Right. So we spent approximately zero time and zero money as a country trying to figure out why would Adam Lanza murder all these children. We're all against murdering children. Some of us are against murdering all children, including in foreign countries. And here in abortion clinics are just against murdering kids. Okay? So I'm not going to cede the moral high ground on kids to ghouls like this. So. Okay. But we have no idea why Adam lands do this. No one's trying to find out. You instead are being blamed who are the father of four kids for the murder of all these kids when you had literally nothing to do with the murder at all. And the actual murderer is probably brain fried in SSRIs or whatever the cause like no one cares.
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Alex Jones
That's right. He was on ssris. Like almost all of them. And. Exactly. And here's the finale.
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Tucker Carlson
But like no one cares. It's like all these people jump up and down, including some of these parents, I assume. And like I understand they're upset their kids are murdered. I mean, I have true compassion for them. But they're blaming you for it and.
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Alex Jones
Then raising money, hundreds of millions off my name. And his mother bought the gun legally, and then Remington was bankrupted by it and paid $73 million to them. Remember that? It just goes on and on. And after they sued me, this one foundations increase went up while they were suing me and during the show trials. 375%. Let me give you the actual numbers. 337% to 119 million just during that period. And their main fundraiser was me. Not to mention all the Justice Department four plus million they got. But here's the.
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Tucker Carlson
Here's blaming you when you say the fundraiser was, you know, they were blaming you for a mass murder that you were horrified by and didn't commit. And ignoring the actual mass murderer, blaming everyone but the murderer for political reasons. So like they're.
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Alex Jones
They would just say it's like that meme where Indiana Jones moves the idol and puts the bag of sand on there. They remove Lanza and just put me on there. And it was. He's coming, he's harassing us. He made all this money off of us. He's bullying, he's sending the stalkers, he's attacking. Help, Help, help. With just ads everywhere. Help, Help. Help us fight Alex Jones. Help, Help, help. And, And I'm. And I hadn't Talked about him in years and years, only talked about one of their names. I never even knew this FBI agent was. None of my crew said his name. My lawyer got up and said, have you ever Alex Jones ever said your name? No. Any of his crew ever said your name? No. You ever post your picture, ever talk about, you know, when's the first time you heard about Alex Jones? 2016. And then he goes and does all this. But, but here's the finale. Here's the finale. This is what I know. When you talk to Trump and others, this is important because this needs to be looked at. This is conspiracy against rights. We're getting ready to take action on this legally. This is violation of process. This is racketeering. I mean, cut and dry in my view. And that's what my legal experts agree as well. It's cut and dry. Turns out Paul Weiss, the big law firm that lost its intelligence agency clearances as they targeted Trump and they admitted to it, they came to Trump a month ago and they said, give us back 50 plus percent of our business. Let us have our national security clearance. We promise to stop doing lawfare against you and your supporters. And this is an agreement. And we'll spend $40 million on pro bono work that's non political. It's, it's, it's in the agreement. Okay. And that's, by the way, in our legal actions about to come out. They just filed that 40 million. Of that, 20 is their suit of me. And they list the lawyers.
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Tucker Carlson
That's their pro bono work.
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Alex Jones
And they've been coordinating the entire bankruptcy assault. They came up with the fake auction on record that's come out in our depositions of them. We're suing them currently, but more is coming. They came up with the plan with the US Trustees multiple times to have fake auctions. And the judge said it was a fake auction. They're the ones that sent armed security in on a Friday evening. I was leaving at like 7 o'clock. There's all these guys showing up from the security company we'd already used for eight years. But all these guys never seen. They're like, hey, man, we're told. But they're closing the doors. They're kicking you out for good. To died at 9. And we shouldn't have told you this, but I knew one of the guys and, but, but now it's under the court. And then I get on the phone with the head of the security company and he goes, listen, man, he goes, I'm being, I got this lady saying, I'M a just department official. Melissa Hazelton and her lawyer, Freeman. Melissa Hazelman, Liz Freeman. And they're telling me, we are just department officials. You must close it. He said, no, I want a court order. So then I had to sleep up there because they tried to hire another security company the next day, and I knew it.
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Tucker Carlson
And I'm gonna steal your office from you.
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Alex Jones
Listen, when they did the fake auction the next day, they came and turned the Internet off because they knew I was going to appeal it, and the judge shut that down, too, and I was out of there for a few days. So there was such an outcry, and the judge ordered to let us back in the building. We've been run. We've been kicked out repeatedly once.
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Tucker Carlson
I would leave your own building, of our own building.
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Alex Jones
So. So, But Paul Weiss has, has been running this whole thing with Koskov. And Koskov, it's basically a total deep state operation with Senator Blumenthal and his son. Okay, so this is on record. And, and, but, but so, so, so here they are telling Trump, oh, yes, we'll stop doing lawfare against you and your people. And then now they're billing that in the basic fine they agreed to with Trump. You know, that's what it is, unofficial fine. They are telling Trump, we're going to stop our attacks on your supporters and you. And now they think Trump, you know, they know he's busy, that he won't learn that they've done this. So in my view, they need serious sanctions from the White House. If this isn't about me, I'm tough. This is about this saga. Everything I've told you is even worse than I'm telling you. The, the, the insanity of, of what they've done and, and the persecution would take days because they had four court ordered that my company had to pay for. And then if the money didn't come in, we wouldn't make it through those investigations. I'd tell listeners, hey, buy our products. We've got to pay to be investigated. Four different investigations. Forensic accountants looking for dirt. They had the IRS audit me for a year. We got a $4.3 million tax return back. The IRS says we never do. This went into the bankruptcy because I'd overpaid 4.3 million in five years because I tell my CPAs overpay. I know, because I don't want the target. So, so there are three years of investigation. I got a $4.3 million check back, and none of it was true. And then even the New York Times last year had to say, well, it turns out Jones had meager resources and never really had anything. It was all lies. So it was all lies. I did anything to him. It was all lies. I made money off of it was all lies. I had all this money. And the point is, is now today, last night the Connecticut Supreme Court said we're not even going to hear your appeal. And which is ironclad, abusive process, all the rest of it. Texas, the judge violated three laws, cut and dry. I mean the cap is at $5 million. She said, I don't care about the Texas cap. I'm doing 45 with change, was 49. They just don't care. And it's the same in all of this lawfare. Just like a judge found.
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Tucker Carlson
You never did anything. You never broke any laws. They would have indicted you. Like, this is all so hallucinogenic. It's so crazy.
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Alex Jones
Well, imagine it's like I'm their chew toy and they just chew on me.
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Tucker Carlson
But your crime. Look, I just want to refer you to the very first moments of this conversation when I pointed out once again for the hundredth time, you called 911 in detail before 9 11. So that is like just from my perspective as an outsider and someone who knows you, that's like the defining fact of your life. That's the first sentence of your obituary. No one did that, only you. That fact, I think is responsible for everything that has come after.
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Alex Jones
Well, just exactly. Well, just think of the scandal on record. Kyle Serafin and he showed me the conversations with high level FBI say they're investigating it. He's going to come back on the show, I think tomorrow or Friday. Famous whistleblower. He read the documents and we got a lot from. But he explained, I mean this is like terrorist designation. This is espionage. So I've had a full espionage counter espionage operation against me trying to find something for 10 years.
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Tucker Carlson
So where's the DOJ? Where's. I mean this is a test for the new Department of Justice. You know, brought in on the explicit promise to end the corruption, stop using our justice system, which my ancestors helped build and yours too, as a political army mobilized against domestic political opponents. That's not allowed. That's like Haiti stuff. We don't do that. It's not a Taunton McCoot. It's the FBI. They promised to do that. So can they help you? Are they helping you?
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Alex Jones
Well, I mean, I'll say this. Trump cut and dry had the same stuff done to him. He's the only person on a wider scale that has had this. And you'll hear him say, it's unbelievable. It would take a long time. It's unbelievable. I've studied the cases of you. It's the same kind of crap. A judge in New York finds him guilty, doesn't give him a jury trial. I mean, it goes on and on. So what they've done to me, they want to do to you. But if you want that string that pulls the whole sweater apart, they think because the demonization, what they said I did to kids, I didn't do that, the Republicans will be scared to ever defend me.
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, that's for sure.
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Alex Jones
When in truth, it's like the Mendez brothers. When people found out what they went through, they learned that they'd all been lied to about that. Well, this is like that, this is like what. The story you've heard, folks, from start to finish isn't that they saw I was famous, they saw I was big, they tied me to Trump to try to hurt him, then they raised hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars off of me, got Justice Department money, had show trials, put out all this stuff I didn't do on record. And, and, and, and, and, and then now are not just trying to kill the Second Amendment using these poor dead children who have, God rest their souls, but the First Amendment as well. So this is outrageous. And it's a bellwether showing that Paul Weiss, that big Democrat law firm, one of the top ones, would literally tell Trump, okay, we'll stop doing political persecution, we admit to it, that they confessed to lawfare against him and his supporters, his family. And then they're still doing it to me and they're billing the money. They said that he'd pay in me. So, so it's a sick joke. They think Trump won't learn about this. And at the end of the day, I just want it to stop. And look, we've survived so much. People say, oh, they were going to shut you down here. They were showing you down there. It's in the news. They kicked us out of the building in November. It's in the news. They kicked us out in, or try to kick us out in. In May of last year, there was a bunch of other stuff that happened. My big deal is I'm not going to give up because they've said, we want to get the name Infowars. We want to confuse it and have Chubacabras and Bigfoot, and we're going to act like we're Alex Jones. They claim they own my X account, Musk had to sue, get involved and have them back off of that. The Democrats in their filing in bankruptcy six months ago said that the amendment against slavery. Was it 13 or 14? 13. Doesn't apply to me. You can read it in Bloomberg from the filing. They said he is a special type of person. And so just like Prince signed away his rights to a record company for his name and his music. I never signed away my rights. So they're saying they own the name Alex Jones. In the court filing. They say they know the name Real Alex Jones. They're saying they own all my catalog of material even though it's always been free to air and it's my political views and is open. They can't do that. I can write a book and publish it the world and say it's free. Somebody can't sue me and get a bankruptcy letter and say they own a book I gave away copyright free. My show is owned by the world. But what is it they don't want? It's because my older shows going back 30 years are ultra green. They're not Evergreen where they stay the test of time. They get more important. And so the system knows that those clips are getting hundreds of millions of views. Some of them where I lay out and predict hundreds of subjects and what's going to happen. And then I explain though.
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Tucker Carlson
So that intellectual property is at stake.
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Alex Jones
They are preposterously. This is new law. They think off of demonized Alex Jones. They say this. They can set a precedent to not just censor you, not just take Tucker Carlson off the air. And they said you're the next target. Literally. I'm saying the clips. We didn't see him on cnn, msnbc, that they will then take your identity which under the prohibition of slavery and under the prohibition against slavery in the Texas Constitution, all the others. You can't take someone's name. You can't even take someone's tools under state law in Texas. And. But no, they are saying that they own the name Alex Jones and they.
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Tucker Carlson
Own your archive of content.
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Alex Jones
Yes. And they say that they want to twist it and make fun of it. They had the Onion owner with the Everytown Bloomberg representative on this.
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Tucker Carlson
They met Bloomberg pay for Onion owner is just an intel cutout.
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Alex Jones
I mean absolutely. From msnbc.
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Tucker Carlson
I'm very aware. Yes.
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Alex Jones
Censorship operator. That was his job.
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Tucker Carlson
Who has literally no sense of humor at all. It's the most humorless drone working on behalf of entrenched power like in the United States. And he's running the comedy site. It's like the Babylon be, it's also fake.
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Alex Jones
And he's the MSNBC version of Brian Stelter.
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, I'm aware, I'm aware.
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Alex Jones
I know. You're the. Exactly. So what I'm saying is it's a constellation of operatives. Corporate media, government, Justice Department, the trustees, all of them. And they just like an army, believe they're still going to beat America.
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, I know.
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Alex Jones
And they see me as a populist, firebrand folk hero, and they've said that themselves. And they want to silence and destroy that person so they can then take the identity of that and turn me into Satan.
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Tucker Carlson
So meanwhile, Adam Lands is the guy who murdered all those children, is totally forgotten.
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Alex Jones
Yeah, and I almost apologize. I don't really talk about this a lot on my own show. It's just come to a head today and I'm very honored you let me run on and on, but I mean, folks, this is your country, your world. This was done, what I've told you, 10% of it. Okay. I mean, this is an incredible scandal. The law firm that confessed to Trump to try to destroy him illegally with lawfare, it said, don't worry, sir, we'll do $40 million of good work. Non political. Half of that in a filing last week is me. They have gone and filed. That half of our 40 million is what we've done to Alex Jones. I mean, come on. I mean, look, I don't care what happens to me. I just hope Trump takes away their national security clearance because they're not going to stop what they're doing. And those other law firms know exactly who they are.
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Tucker Carlson
I agree. And you'd love to talk to the person who negotiated that deal and see if he's aware of it.
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Alex Jones
Oh, I wonder who that is in the White House. Yeah, maybe they should be looked at a little bit. Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
So I wonder what they got.
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Alex Jones
Yep.
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Tucker Carlson
You know, I don't know.
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Alex Jones
I'm just speculating here. That's why we need to investigate. Because, because, I mean, you know this. In racketeering laws they passed, if the Mafia says, oh, you better hire my cousin and pay me 10% or something might happen to your grocery store. And then they burn your grocery store down. They start investigating. They learn how the criminal networks operate. The mob bosses that say, go burn it down, he just says, yeah, that guy's not paying. And, and, and, and that's. And they all want to mount my head on the wall. Like you've got, you know, that great deer mounted on the wall over there. They want Alex Jones's head on the wall as a symbol to scare everybody else. I mean, they said that in the courthouses and on the courthouse steps. They said, send a message to everybody else, these patients. Zero. We're going to take him off.
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Tucker Carlson
Shut up and obey. Yeah.
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Alex Jones
And destroy him. And we're going to scare every one of these other Americans to keep. I mean, literally, it's like in Bugs life when the head grasshopper says, yeah, we got all this grain. Why are we gonna go beat up the ants? Because one little ant stood up. He goes, yeah, one little grain doesn't hurt. But he goes, but if they all stand up and he pulls it and it floods them, he goes, if those little puny ants outnumber us 100 to 1, and if they ever figure that out, it's over for us. That's why we're going back to kill that ant.
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Tucker Carlson
That's exactly right.
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Alex Jones
That's it. So I'm just the ant and bug's life.
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Tucker Carlson
You are. And, but it hasn't worked. And so I want to make a prediction because I just want to be on tape saying this. I'm gonna say it again, even more clearly this time. And I, of course, I hope I'm wrong. I pray I'm wrong. But I do think a lot of the, the really crazy, bitter ethnic hate that you see on social media is fake. It's, it's. People are saying it don't mean it. I think it's like, you know, the Klansmen you'd see marching and you're like, they're no clansmen. Like, what? And of course, you find out that it's all, it's, it's fake and it's designed to convince people that there's like a lot of roiling ethnic hatred that doesn't really exist. And, and that's a predicate.
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Alex Jones
The Patriot front.
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly. It's. It's Charlottesville. But that's happening online right now. And I, and I know that it is. And I think that at some point, I pray I'm wrong, but there's going to be an act of violence, ethnic inspired violence, of hate. Inspired violence, actual hate, like killing people. And I really hope I'm wrong, but I feel like this is real. And that event will be used to shut down free speech on social media.
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Alex Jones
I 100 because that is the threat.
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Tucker Carlson
And you saw it with TikTok, like, oh, we need to ban TikTok because China owns it. No, nothing to do with China. It had everything to do with opinions that the people in charge didn't like being expressed there. And it's like, we're just gonna. And the Congress went along with it. But if there's an act of violence and innocents are murdered, and I pray that doesn't happen, because I hate that above all. But it has happened, and I feel like it could happen again. And people say. And a lot of good people will go along with it, just like they went along with the censorship of you and the destruction of your life because they were told, like, he's bad. He had something to do with murdering children. And then people just shut down. They're like, you know, I don't know. Alex Jones has seen you with murdering children. So whatever they do to Alex Jones, like, is fine.
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Alex Jones
I can't tell you how many times in front of my family, people walk up and they go, you killed those kids.
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
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Alex Jones
And I'll always go, really? I did. Huh? And why am I walking around? And then just like, well, you. You know what you did. But. But. But what you said is so important. The last ingredients is the false flag on a big illegal alien demonstration or a black church, because the Democrats keep saying, trump's coming to kill the migrants. We gotta rise up.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah. Or. Or something else like that, but where innocents are murdered by a crazy person. A crazy person. Or maybe an actual crazy person used or whatever. Or maybe it just happens organically. Maybe if you stoke enough ethnic division online, it's clearly. I mean, there are people who have, you know, views that are, you know, are mad at other ethnicities. I mean, that's. That's real. Okay. But there are also big actors who are not real. They're doing it on purpose.
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Alex Jones
And we know who they are.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes, we do know who they are.
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Alex Jones
And for strategic reasons.
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Tucker Carlson
I'm not. I don't want to get involved in all that filth. But let's just say we've seen the documents separately, a hundred percent, and they're stoking this stuff, and maybe it just organically inspires someone to commit murder, a mass murder. And again, I just pray, as someone who hates all violence to say it again, I pray that's not the case. But.
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Alex Jones
Well, let's just say this. The people they're mainly attacking are the ones financing them. It's the oldest trick in the book.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Alex Jones
Hegelian dialectic. And so just be aware of that, ladies and gentlemen.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah. And I just don't. Yeah. And I think you're what. And the only reason I bring that up is because I worry about it every day.
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Alex Jones
I Do too, because that's the next big move.
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Tucker Carlson
Free speech is the foundation of a free society. Without it, it's not a free society. You're a slave. If you can't say what you think, you're a slave. It's really simple. And we don't have slavery in this country. It's a free country.
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Alex Jones
And when it happens, I pray it doesn't, that's the next move. So we're predicting this so that there's enough eyes and ears on it and enough people watching so they don't pull it off. Because that's the thing. Everything I used to predict basically came true because the globalists were still in power. They're so disorganized, have so many problems now. A lot of times when we're able to get out ahead of things, you and others and Trump and Joe Rogan, we're able. And Elon's the huge voice, you know, second only to Trump. We're able to disrupt what they're doing and enough people see through it. So if it does happen, they try to stampede us into blaming whoever it is. Oh, the crooks guy, you know, he acted alone. Well, this will be some right wing Trump supporter with the MAGA hat, 100% get killed by the SWAT team.
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Tucker Carlson
He was inspired by hate online. Therefore, you're not allowed to have like legitimate opinions or your own opinions. And you know, God can decide whether they're legitimate or not. But if you're a free man, a free person, you have a right to say what you really believe, period. And that cannot be encumbered or else you're a slave.
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Alex Jones
Absolutely. And, and you know, you know, we get back to the spiritual battle here. I, I just want people to know that. My lawyers just told me, well, you, I put, put you on speaker with them. They said I could be shut down within two days, two weeks. They are coming to shut down infowars. We've survived so much like a long boxing match. People are like, oh, yeah, right. No, this is very, very real. This has been very, very serious. And so, you know, for now, people can find me on exit Real Alex Jones. But, but that part doesn't matter. People understand more and more how things work. All of your voices are so important. All of you sharing this interview, sharing the other. Great work Tucker's doing, all the courage he has and others have to really put it on the line. You know, we haven't even talked about Iran.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, give me, give me your five minute. I mean that I should say I think this interview is going up tonight. We're going to try to get it up in a few hours. But that's such a dynamic situation. Steve Wyckoff apparently is meeting directly with the Iranians, which I think is such a great, it's a blessing but and I hope for the best. But give us your five minute overview. Like what is that and where is that going?
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Alex Jones
Well, Iran's plan B for the globalist. And Iran's got its issues and its Shiite militias and all that. I'm not, I'm not lionizing the moolahs.
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, you're not.
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Alex Jones
But, but, but they've been isolated. Israel has knocked out their proxy forces in Lebanon and in Gaza and in the West Bank. And Netanyahu is extremely unpopular. He's been indicted and he said he doesn't want an investigation in January, excuse me, he doesn't want an investigation of October 7th until the war is over. But then he never, you know, is going to have the war be over. So I'm not even against Netanyahu. I'm not against Israel. I know most people in Israel don't war with Iran either. But he's been trying to drag us into war since 9, 11. That's how long he's been around and in power, off and on into this. And they have the most ballistic missiles in the world. What it 4 to 1, 5 to 1, 6 to 1 to even the Israeli anti missile defense system. Israel, as you know, only has three big cities. They will get blown off the map by this conventionally, even if Iran doesn't have nukes and uses them, and the word is they do, Israel will nuke Iran and then all hell is going to break loose. And in most scenarios, India and Pakistan start nuking each other. Saudi Arabia's got nukes. There's a lot of other countries that have nukes that people don't know about. You don't want even a limited nuclear war because in most big threat assessment war games, and Tucker's an expert, unless you can attest to it, he talks to the experts, breaks out, you know, kind of like your neighbor, you know, has the black plague. Well, you might get it or you know, you know, your neighbor, you know, has got syphilis. God forbid you have sex with them. I mean, this is a lot worse than syphilis, is a lot worse than tb. This is really dangerous. And Iran does have proxy forces in Europe and the United States that Obiden let get in. And they really do have some of these sleeper cells that are here that this does go to full war. They can cause some major problems. And different foreign intelligence agencies are famous for spoofing Iranians and Saudi Arabian terror attacks. They could easily stage a big false flag to get us into a war with Iran.
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Tucker Carlson
I'm aware. Yeah.
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Alex Jones
And they're also. The Russians have warned, and before they did, I warned of attacks on nuclear power plants in Ukraine and Russia. Try to blame Russia. Ukraine's done that. Been caught. Ukraine and NATO tried to blame Russia for the Nord Stream pipeline. How laughable is that? Of course, I heard this information has been proven, you know, that obviously it was the U.S. government with NATO. I mean, hell, even Biden said, you know, we'll get rid of the pipeline if you invade. So the globalists are very reckless. Again, 50 chance the Pentagon said if they started bombing Russia, Russia would nuke. They still rolled the dice. So we need really cool heads here. This is not like going into Iraq twice. This is not like going into Libya. This is not a cakewalk, even for people that love to, you know, buy a bottle of bourbon and sit back and get drunk watching, you know, a war like so many sick people do. This. This. This is the main threat to civilization. And I mean, Tucker, you really have all the connections. You travel the world, you cover these summits.
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Tucker Carlson
I don't know any. I don't know anything other than I think the. The people in charge of a bunch of different countries are reckless on a level that's without precedent in the modern era. And I don't think they're serving their own people. By the way, leaders like that, it's not just like you've got a bellicose leader who's threatening war or whatever. It doesn't necessarily mean the people he rules are being served. He's putting their lives at risk. Our leaders have put our lives at risk for no good reason. And so, no, I'm hardly an expert in anything. I'm just an observer. And it's just all so obvious. And I'm really worried about. My last question to you is you get this sense that there's like a spirit of dullness or fantasy. Maybe it's connected to living digitally or something. But, like, smart, aware people are no longer smart or aware they're sort of sleepwalking through this incredibly dangerous moment, and they don't even acknowledge any of it. And, like, what is that?
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Alex Jones
Well, that was the description I was going to use.
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Tucker Carlson
There's like a mist that settles over all of us and, like, we can't. It's like no one is even, like, awake what is that?
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Alex Jones
Well, that's how I describe it, is how you describe it. We're sleepwalking into Armageddon. The Bible calls it a spell. That way, medically, they would call it a trance. And you know, since the Advent, I say that sarcastically, of television and everybody gathering around it, people are way more highly suggestible. Most people are closer to a near dream state or daydream state pretty much all the time.
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Tucker Carlson
Feels that way.
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Alex Jones
You go to a movie, see everybody kind of drool and, and I've never really had a lot of suspended disbelief when I was a kid. I was always analyzing.
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Tucker Carlson
Me too.
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Alex Jones
And so I guess that's a gift. But also it's kind of torture. It'd be fun to just be able to be mindless sometimes. But yeah, and the establishment itself is all about never actually making a decision. They get in trouble for having committees, having groups, having it kind of be policy where no one can be accountable. But then that creates a runaway train scenario where then only the most reckless people that are the craziest kind of become the consensus because nobody else wants to challenge them. And through Trump and Elon, you know, saying, hey, we don't want war. We don't want a meat grinder. This is too dangerous. This is crazy. We want to stabilize civilization. We want to have more kids, not less. Every actuary shows we collapse if we don't. Those are conscious. Look at Trump. Conscious, awake, sharp. Elon, conscious, aware, sharp. You know, so many others. And then it's a system of kind of quasi zombies and zombies run by a few kleptocrat psycho demon possessed people that, that, that, that don't want us waking up the zombies. So that's why they're mad at me. It's why they're mad at Elon, it's why they're mad at you is that we are trying to collectively get people to wake up. Because the wheel on the ship is so heavy and so big, a few of us can't turn it. But if we get more people politically engaged and where together we're able to turn the wheel as we're about to go over this waterfall 5,000ft and get killed. And so it's, it's, it's people that are dialed in and conscious versus people that are unconscious in the middle versus evil that is driven by a very nihilistic destructive force. And, and that's what the transhumanism is about. I mean, I remember 30 years ago reading government white papers that were public that listeners sent me medical people that they had human animal hybrids they could grow in cows for organ harvesting and that. And of course that's been admitted for 20 years now, but just last week, hundreds of articles, oh, we can grow humanoids for organ harvesting. Don't worry though, they don't have consciousness. We've already raised them at undisclosed laboratories. And then it's in the MIT reports that they've done it, or I remember 30 years ago, oh, military bases have goats that are part spider that produce body armor out of their milk, but we don't show them to you. And then later they brought them out and then, oh, oh, we have dire wolves living in an undisclosed location where we spliced 13,000 year old DNA with a regular wolf. And my point is, the future has been here for a while. It's just not evenly distributed. So you've got this super advanced sectors of technology literally in underground bases and facilities and you've got an establishment, a very small technocracy that's even aware of those systems.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes.
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Alex Jones
And they don't want to give the general population access to that. So to them they want a nuclear war. They think it's survivable in their underground bases. And Ian Fleming, former high level OSS and MI6, wrote the James Bond books, became movies. Remember the 80s Moonraker with, with Roger Moore. And remember there's a crazy billionaire with these other billionaires with underground base in Brazil that's going to release a bioweapon on the Earth to kill everybody. But it only goes for a year. He's going to go up to space while everybody dies on Earth at their space station and then come back and repopulate the earth. And he's a eugenicist. And they only have the best specimens of the humans to do it. In the movie Zardoz with Sean connery in the 70s and Logan's Run and the island and THX 1138. And then you have Aldous Huxley, who wrote Brave new world in 32. His brother Julian Huxley was the head of the World Eugenic Society when that got a bad name. After World War II they changed the world. Transhumanist Society. He was the Director General of UNESCO, really ran the un. And his brother before he died gave that famous Berkeley speech an hour long. And I've read his book Brave New World Revisited. That's nonfiction, everybody should read it. And he says, no, no, no, the world's not gonna be like orwell with the SWAT teams. That's for the 1% that might resist the real plan. The reason I could write Brave New World is this was the consensus of the elite in Europe and England of the world we're going to build with genetically engineered people, a subspecies that serves us. Everyone taking Soma, everyone's controlled. And he explains in that Berkeley speech, if you don't read the book, he gives a synopsis that this is a real plan that he saw being in place by 2020. And so you have to understand, Brave New World is an instruction manual of what they want to do. They want to turn humans into a commodity. That's why Obama calls it the end of history, where there are no more cycles, where everything's controlled, where 90% of the world population is reduced. And maybe if you serve them right or whatever the 10% is here. But there's these gods on Mount Olympus or these Elysium demigods that are the technocrats that control everything and everybody is wired into their brains and the technocrats control the AI and, and then they play God. Like Ray Kurzweil said, I don't believe in God yet. I'm going to become one. You've all know Harari, I don't believe in God yet, but there will be one in the cloud of AI. And so I'll just say this. The best laid plans of mice and men often go astray, as the famous writer said. And these people are prideful. They're satanic.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes.
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Alex Jones
And, and, and, and it's all going to end in disaster. We have to choose God, we have to choose justice, we have to choose free will, and we have to get out in nature more. And we have to disconnect, you know, from the system's lies and then only go into the system to basically tell the truth and just know that if, if you're fighting evil, evil's gonna come after you. But that's a blessing and that it's very rewarding. And the experiences you have in that quest are, are the greatest experiences of my life. And you find out who's real, you find out who's not real. I just see the arrogance of these lawyers. It's warfare. It's lawfare. And with, through the agencies that are running them and, and what they've done to me, they want to do to you. Like Trump said a thousand times, they're not trying to get me. They got to get through me to get to you. That is true. And so that's why I, I do want to see action from the White House. I do want to see the Justice Department take action because my case, because they felt like, it's free. Free game on me that, you know, it's just open season. They've. They've been more transparent. I mean, it's illegal in my view and to, to have the just department fund these lawsuits. It's illegal to have the FBI go create these. It's illegal for Obama to list me as a national security terrorist and have a dragnet for decades. And then, you know, all of this concerted is the stalking. All of this concerted is the racketeering. And that's what it is by definition, conspiracy against rights. And then they're just sitting back laughing and going, oh, Trump, 40 million, you know, to help poor people. We won't be political anymore. We're using it for Alex Jones. You know, it's just these people need to be called on this. They operate in darkness. They operate because people are too busy. They operate thinking you're never going to figure out what they're doing. And more and more they're scared. But I would have thought with all this coming out, they would back off. No, instead, they've gotten scared because the Connecticut Supreme Court, all them were going to hear this. Now they said suddenly they reversed it. No, we're not hearing it now. Yeah, because. Because they think, just shut him down, shut him up. It's not going to work when, if they shut down Infowars and I, and I don't, you know, throw fights, I'm fighting right to the end. But if they're able to do that and everybody sees that, it's only going to make what I do that much bigger. But again, like when they, you know, the establishment tried to kill Trump, that's when the establishment went from collapsing to collapsed. So their order is over. And I like it. In closing, the Japanese soldiers, the last one, 27 years later, because the Japanese were losing in the Pacific, as you know, Tucker, they would dump soldiers out on islands to frustrate and harass the. The Allies coming in the U.S. england and the Australians and the New Zealanders that you fought the Pacific War. And so the last guy, 27 years later was still on an island shooting at people and stuff, thinking that, you know, he still had to fight for the emperor until he found out, no, the war has been over 27 years. So the radicalized death culture left. The Jacobins are just running around like chickens with their heads cut off, like zombies. Attack, attack, attack. Everyone's a Nazi. Cutting women off in traffic, getting out, beating up women because they're driving a Tesla, being proud of it. I mean, they have been radicalized into a cult and that's what Klaus Schwab said. He said we're going to collapse western civilization by creating an angrier world. We've got to not target each other we've got to target the policies and ideas globalist and dismantle the policies and have a big tent to unify behind stopping nuclear war.
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Tucker Carlson
You know you're you just you pray you live long enough to affect good in the world and I definitely pray that for you. Alex Jones thank you thank you Tucker.
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Alex Jones
So much you're the best.
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Tucker Carlson
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