The Tucker Carlson Show

Episode: Bill Gates, Truth About Vaccines, & Big Pharma’s Plot to Destroy Doctors Who Question “The Science”

Date: September 8, 2025
Host: Tucker Carlson
Guest: Dr. Kirk Moore

Episode Overview

This episode features a deep-dive interview with Dr. Kirk Moore, a Utah-based plastic surgeon and outspoken critic of the COVID-19 vaccine rollout and associated mandates. Moore tells his personal story of facing prosecution—including incarceration—for administering saline instead of COVID vaccines, issuing vaccine cards, and resisting federal vaccine policy. The conversation explores government and pharmaceutical industry practices, doctors' ethical standards, vaccine policy, free speech, and the personal costs of dissenting from medical orthodoxy during the pandemic.

Key Discussion Points & Timeline

1. Trump Statement and Operation Warp Speed ([00:00]-[04:12])

• Tucker opens by reading Donald Trump's latest statement on Truth Social, questioning COVID vaccine data and pharma companies' transparency.
• Both Tucker and Dr. Moore express surprise at Trump's hints of skepticism towards Operation Warp Speed, marking a shift from his previous support.

"To hear that coming from him, where he may actually be questioning the Operation Warp Speed numbers... is a really, really interesting twist."
— Dr. Moore ([01:55])

• Discussion on pharma companies’ government contracts, liability immunity, and demands for transparency.
• Critique of Pfizer’s CEO Albert Bourla ("the veterinarian Borla guy"), government mandates, and lack of recourse for vaccine injuries.

2. Military Involvement and Biowarfare History ([04:13]-[07:04])

• Moore outlines how COVID vaccine development was run through the Department of Defense (DOD), referencing Operation Warp Speed as a military operation.
• Historical parallel drawn between US bioweapons policy and the migration of military science into pharma/biotechnology.

3. Physician’s Perspective & Early Pandemic Response ([12:16]-[21:59])

• Dr. Moore recounts shutting down his practice in March 2020 out of fear, but reversed himself within 48 hours after reviewing available science.
• Describes shift to skepticism: Noting inconsistencies in case definitions, pandemic criteria, and media guidance.
• Highlights the abrupt shift in public health messaging: “There’s no treatment for COVID.”

"You realize that they changed the definition of pandemic... when they declared it wasn’t really a pandemic yet."
— Dr. Moore ([15:36])

4. Clinical Experience vs. Guidelines: Suppression of Early Treatments ([21:59]-[31:22])

• Moore details early COVID treatment suppression (hydroxychloroquine, ivermectin) and his own use of the Zelenko protocol (HCQ, zinc, etc.).
• Describes censorship: Getting banned from platforms and having articles scrubbed from the internet.
• Argues that global coordination to suppress alternative treatments was unprecedented and suspicious.

"Every single country, every single government in the world was doing the exact same thing... Everybody was in lockstep, okay? Absolute. Everybody was doing the same thing. They're taking these drugs off the market."
— Dr. Moore ([27:01])

5. Vaccine Rollout and Mandates ([33:14]-[46:48])

• Moore traces his personal and professional skepticism of vaccines, including his own adverse reaction to hepatitis B vaccination.
• Describes coercion during COVID vaccine mandates and mandates for organ transplants, travel, employment, etc.
• Points to early VAERS data and possible underreporting of vaccine injuries.

"You're not going to be able to go to school without a shot, you're not going to be able to travel without a shot... The worst case to me was people that were mandated to get a potentially dangerous—well, I already knew it was dangerous—[vaccine]. There were 700 VAERS deaths that were reported."
— Dr. Moore ([46:48])

6. Informed Consent and Medical Ethics ([55:14]-[63:51])

• Explains the legal and ethical concept of informed consent; how it was ignored during COVID vaccine rollout.
• Argues that current vaccines lack long-term or placebo-controlled studies.

"You have a right to know and I have an obligation to tell you... But why was nobody in this case—nobody's given informed consent? How do you give informed consent on something that you don't even know what's in it?"
— Dr. Moore ([55:58])

• Discussion of vaccine schedules, lack of liability, and perverse incentives for pediatricians and pharma.

7. Medical Publishing and Pharma Influence ([65:53]-[67:12])

• Moore and Tucker discuss financial entanglement between pharma, journals, and peer reviewers. Moore cites figures that peer reviewers for top journals received over $1B from pharma companies (2020-2022).
• Questions the credibility of the medical literature due to pervasive conflicts of interest.

8. Legal Persecution: Investigation, Arrests, Jail ([68:02]-[113:16])

• Recounts Moore’s arrest: Multiple government agencies (FBI, HHS OIG, DHS) raid his office.
• Phones confiscated, search warrant executed—Moore details civil resistance: “I just said no. Said, I don't know my password and I'm not going to give it to you.” ([71:49])
• Learned of indictment from a reputation management website, not the DOJ.
• Charges: Fraud, conspiracy, counterfeiting for issuing vax cards without giving CDC-labeled injections, evidence tampering (for discarding vaccine doses), and destruction of government property.
• Describes 2 stints in jail (12 and 22 days, respectively), including time in solitary confinement, loss of assets, and psychological hardship.
• No plea deals offered, in contrast to COVID vax card forgers with no medical background who received light sentences.

9. Media Blackout, Trial, and Political Intervention ([127:03]-[137:02])

• Minimal media coverage while trial underway.
• Describes pivotal moment: Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massie, and Senator Mike Lee raise the case’s profile—leading to a sudden dismissal by AG Pam Bondi.

"Saturday morning, our case got dismissed. Attorney General Bondi put out a tweet and said...I am dismissing this case on my—at my direction, this ends now."
— Dr. Moore ([136:45])

• Trial involved CDC and BARDA officials, with the CDC COVID lead labeling "vaccine hesitant" as the "enemy." ([129:43])
• Notes careful suppression of evidence: Denied necessity defense, banned from presenting expert witnesses or intent; trial motions prevented Moore from explaining why he acted.

10. Aftermath and Reflection ([137:02]-[141:52])

• Moore reflects on the devastating personal and professional toll—years lost, financial ruin, and professional ostracism.
• Worries about the future of medicine, pharma dominance, and loss of faith in the medical system.
• Concludes with calls for accountability and praise from Tucker: "Your example is inspiring, and I think you've got a lot to give to the country..."

Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Operation Warp Speed’s DOD roots
  “Operation Warp Speed was a DOD operation. It was run by a general... essentially the DoD is who developed these jabs, these COVID vaccines.”
  — Dr. Moore ([04:12])

• On Informed Consent During COVID
  “How do you give informed consent on something that you don't even know what's going on in it? I mean, that to me is the... one of the number one things.”
  — Dr. Moore ([56:53])

• On Government Overreach
  “Above even our leaders, above the Supreme Court of the United States, sits the vaccine industry. And they're like the gods... there's literally nothing we can do.”
  — Tucker Carlson ([11:51])

• On Legal Consequences for Dissenting Physicians
  "I'm facing life in prison for not giving the COVID vaccine. They add charges—20 more years for destruction of government property, the vaccine. The prosecutor wanted the trial before Trump's inauguration, afraid he'd pull the plug."
  — Dr. Moore ([89:12])

• On Medical Publishing Corruption
  "The people that are making the drugs are the ones that study the drugs and then are the ones that publish the results..."
  — Dr. Moore ([64:24])

• CDC Labeling Vaccine Skeptics “the Enemy”
  "The CDC COVID Task Force director, Chris Duggar, called us the enemy. The vaccine hesitant people were the enemy..."
  — Dr. Moore ([129:43])

• On Political Intervention Leading to Dismissal
  "Attorney General Bondi put out a tweet and said...I am dismissing this case at my direction. This ends now."
  — Dr. Moore ([136:45])

• Tucker’s Final Commendation
  "I'm really—once again, I consider you a hero. I'm grateful for what you did. I hope that the rest of your life is spent in a really useful pursuit. Your example is inspiring."
  — Tucker Carlson ([141:23])

Timestamps for Major Segments

| Segment | Timestamp Start-End | |---------------------------------------|----------------------------| | Trump’s Vaccine Statement | 00:00-04:12 | | Military’s Role in COVID Response | 04:13-07:04 | | Moore’s Early COVID Experience | 12:16-21:59 | | Suppression of Early Treatments | 21:59-31:22 | | Vaccine Rollout & Mandates | 33:14-46:48 | | Informed Consent / Ethics | 55:14-63:51 | | Medical Publishing & Pharma Influence | 65:53-67:12 | | Legal Persecution (FBI, Jail, Etc.) | 68:02-113:16 | | Media, Political Intervention, Trial | 127:03-137:02 | | Aftermath & Reflections | 137:02-end |

Episode Tone

Candid, adversarial towards public health authorities and pharmaceutical companies, and often incredulous at the scope of government overreach, corruption, and career repercussions for dissenting doctors. Tucker is intensely sympathetic, at times angry; Dr. Moore maintains a matter-of-fact tone, occasionally bitter, occasionally wry.

Summary for New Listeners

This episode provides a lengthy, unfiltered account of what happens when a frontline physician decides to prioritize his own analysis and skepticism over official COVID-19 guidance—and the extraordinary personal and legal consequences that follow. The story covers the intersection of medicine, liability law, government surveillance, and personal liberty during the COVID pandemic, ending with a rare instance of political intervention leading to the case’s dismissal.

Listeners are exposed to a detailed, critical breakdown of pandemic-era health policy, an insider’s view of government-pharma collusion allegations, and the costs borne by professionals who oppose "The Science." If you want an account of the social, professional, and legal machinery mobilized against outlier physicians—and a warning about the fragility of medical and civic freedoms—this conversation is essential, thought-provoking listening.