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Podcast Summary: The Tucker Carlson Show Episode: Dr. Peter McCullough: How Vaccines Got Politicized and the Medical Industry Lost All Credibility
Release Date: April 2, 2025

Introduction

In this compelling episode of The Tucker Carlson Show, host Tucker Carlson engages in a profound conversation with Dr. Peter McCullough, a physician based in Texas, who has been vocal in his opposition to the mainstream COVID-19 vaccination efforts. Dr. McCullough shares his experiences treating COVID-19 patients, his criticisms of government-mandated therapies, and the repercussions he has faced within the medical community. This summary delves into the key points discussed, highlighting the significant insights and controversies that emerged during the dialogue.

Dr. McCullough’s Early Stance on COVID-19

[00:00]
Tucker Carlson opens the discussion by acknowledging Dr. McCullough's foresight regarding COVID-19 and contrasts his stance with that of public health authorities. He questions why Dr. McCullough hasn't been recognized or rewarded for his predictions and opposition.

Notable Quote:
Dr. Peter McCullough: “I’m still fighting to keep my license... I have a hearing coming up, end of April.” [02:04]

Challenges in COVID-19 Treatment Protocols

[02:05] - [10:42]
Dr. McCullough recounts his early experiences treating COVID-19 patients and his observations that the government-recommended therapies and vaccines were ineffective. He emphasizes the lack of effective treatments and the subsequent professional attacks he faced for proposing alternatives like ivermectin. Dr. McCullough criticizes the medical community's dogma against treating viral infections aggressively, attributing it to fears of antibiotic resistance.

Notable Quote:
Dr. Peter McCullough: “The dogma that we are taught in medical school... it's just catastrophic.” [03:57]

Institutional Pushback and Professional Repercussions

[10:42] - [21:34]
The conversation shifts to Dr. McCullough’s conflict with Houston Methodist Hospital and the Texas Medical Board. He describes an incident involving a sheriff’s deputy with COVID-19, where the hospital denied him the privilege to administer ivermectin. Dr. McCullough details the bureaucratic hurdles and political maneuvers that led to him losing his medical privileges, despite having a spotless record. He highlights how political affiliations of judges influenced the outcomes of related lawsuits.

Notable Quote:
Dr. Peter McCullough: “There’s a growing movement of doctors like myself... it's a better way of doing it.” [36:17]

Critique of COVID-19 Vaccines and Public Health Policies

[21:34] - [41:38]
Dr. McCullough provides a robust critique of the COVID-19 vaccines, citing VAERS data to argue that vaccines have led to significant adverse effects, including deaths. He claims that the FDA and CDC have withheld crucial data that would expose the ineffectiveness and dangers of the vaccines. The discussion covers the politicization of vaccines, the removal of monoclonal antibodies as treatment options, and the ethical implications of mandating vaccines for employment and other scenarios.

Notable Quote:
Dr. Peter McCullough: “According to VAERS, there have been 38,000 deaths from these COVID shots.” [51:03]

Impact on Pediatric Health and Long-term Consequences

[41:38] - [56:38]
The dialogue delves into the concerning effects of COVID-19 vaccines on children, including increased rates of myocarditis and potential long-term immune system damage. Dr. McCullough expresses alarm over the spike protein levels in vaccinated individuals, suggesting ongoing health issues like cancer and autoimmune diseases. He emphasizes the lack of transparency and data sharing from medical institutions regarding these adverse outcomes.

Notable Quote:
Dr. Peter McCullough: “These babies could be getting myocarditis and we have no idea.” [55:55]

Systemic Issues in the Medical Industry

[56:38] - [82:05]
Dr. McCullough critiques the broader medical industry's shift towards corporate practices, where the majority of physicians are employed by hospitals or insurance companies, leaving only a small percentage independent. He argues that this centralization diminishes doctors' autonomy and prioritizes profit over patient care. The conversation touches upon the influence of private equity in healthcare and the erosion of trust between patients and medical professionals.

Notable Quote:
Dr. Peter McCullough: “The corporate practice in medicine... Only 1% are like myself.” [33:22]

Future Directions and Hope for Change

[82:05] - [83:55]
In the concluding segment, Dr. McCullough reflects on his personal journey and the toll of his professional battles. Despite facing significant challenges, he remains committed to advocating for patient-centered care and transparency in medical practices. He expresses hope that the COVID-19 pandemic will serve as a wake-up call, leading to meaningful reforms within the healthcare system.

Notable Quote:
Dr. Peter McCullough: “Covid should be the wake-up call. And the seeds were there before COVID but COVID brought it all out there.” [78:45]

Conclusion

This episode of The Tucker Carlson Show presents a fervent critique of the COVID-19 vaccination efforts and the medical industry's response to the pandemic. Dr. Peter McCullough's firsthand accounts of institutional pushback, his advocacy for alternative treatments, and his concerns about long-term health consequences offer listeners a perspective that challenges mainstream narratives. The conversation underscores the deep-seated tensions between independent medical practitioners and large healthcare institutions, highlighting the complexities of navigating patient care within a politicized environment.

Disclaimer:
The views and opinions expressed in this podcast summary reflect those of the guest, Dr. Peter McCullough, and do not necessarily represent the official policy or position of The Tucker Carlson Show or its affiliates. Listeners are encouraged to consult multiple sources and healthcare professionals for comprehensive information.

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[00:00]
Tucker Carlson
So thank you for coming. So I want to. Okay, here's my question to you. You were one of the people who was right about COVID and certainly more right than the US Public health authorities and the global public health authorities. And I'm just going to summarize in two sentences what I think your position was. So you're a physician in private practice in Texas, and you're vaccinated, by the way. No, you were not. Oh, you're not vaccinated.
[00:29]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I almost did.
[00:30]
Tucker Carlson
God bless you. But at first, you have no real reason to think that this is all completely backward. But then you treat COVID patients, thousands, I think, and you start to realize that the therapies that the US Government is recommending are not working, that the vaccines are not working as advertised at all. And you start saying something about it and offering alternatives to it which are badly needed in the middle of this moment. And you're attacked, really attacked. Your livelihood, your professional credentials are attacked. And then time passes now four years, and it becomes really clear that once again, you were more right than the US Public health authorities. I think that's just demonstrable. I think the science proves that. So here's my question after a long preamble. Have you been rewarded for it? Has the AMA given you the Physician of the Year award? No, I'm serious. Has anybody said we were wrong in attacking you and you deserve credit for your foresight and bravery?
[01:55]
Dr. Peter McCullough
No. And, I mean, I'm still fighting to keep my license. I mean, I still have the Texas Medical Board coming after me for something that happened right now.
[02:05]
Tucker Carlson
You're fighting.
[02:06]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I have a hearing coming up, end of April, and I was trying to save somebody's life. It was a sheriff's deputy. This is a man that has served for 29 years trying to protect and save the public. Father of six. And he contracted Covid. And this was in the fall of 2021. And that was the third and the largest surge of the pandemic. That's when, you know, this was following the rollout of the COVID shots. So this was eight months following the rollout of COVID shots, and they clearly weren't working. And this man, he got sick. He tried to get ivermectin. He couldn't find a doctor willing to prescribe it. He ended up in the hospital, and he was, you know, went downhill like so many people did. And his wife, you know, the hospital was talking hospice. They were giving up. They said, we tried everything.
[02:59]
Tucker Carlson
Come on. How old was this man, he was.
[03:02]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Late 50s, early 60s, not elderly. No. And, you know, he was a big guy, but he had no comorbidities. He had no other medical problems. And so, you know, this is. We saw this, though, with so many people, you know, day. If you didn't get early treatment, the second week of illness, people would start really getting bad, that this massive inflammatory response would kick in.
[03:28]
Tucker Carlson
Yes.
[03:29]
Dr. Peter McCullough
It almost always happened on day eight. It was very weird. It was very predictable. And, you know, the primary care doctors just shut their doors to these people. They said, oh, this is just a virus. We'll let it run its course and then go to the emergency room if you can't breathe. So that. That happened to.
[03:47]
Tucker Carlson
Can I ask you, why would primary care physicians, whose duty it is to treat patients, and they must have known by this point that day eight is the critical day, why would they not treat these people?
[03:57]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Because there's a dogma that we are taught in medical school and in our training that you don't treat a virus, that you let a virus run its course, because there's this big fear about antibiotic resistance. So they don't want people over prescribing antibiotics. And so the assumption if somebody comes to you with an upper respiratory tract infection and the first three, four days, five days, and they don't test positive for strep, you basically say, oh, you've got a virus, and we'll just wait and see what happens. Well, I mean, that was just catastrophic. I mean, that was really. And I learned so much. I mean, I had that mindset prior to the pandemic, but I just. It just didn't sit well with me when people were coming in and, you know, really struggling to just do nothing. And so initially I tried hydroxychloroquine, but as soon as President Trump came out and said how great it was, the Texas State Board of Pharmacy, they literally shut it down. Like, they prohibited doctors from prescribing hydroxychloroquine. So I put it on the back burner and I just did my best. I did breathing treatments, steroids. I did antibiotics for secondary infection. But initially, I didn't really have a lot of demand for people coming in needing treatment. I was doing a lot of testing, and that. That sort of got me recognized in town because I had a saliva test that didn't require a swab up the nose. And I was able to get the results back very quickly. You might remember, initially, LabCorp was the only lab in the country that had the test, and they became Inundated. And it was taking two weeks to get the test results back. So we had a saliva test and people could just. We could just give a. A cup and they could sit in their car and spit in it, and then we'd have the results back the next day. So that sort of. That's where it all started. And then monoclonal antibodies came about. And those. Those worked great. I mean, I. I could get as many doses I wanted. I'd get them the next day. I'd just contact the manufacturer, say, I need 200 doses to be at my bed doorstep. Great. They worked wonderfully. People turned around very quickly. And. But what happened is, and this is during that big surge when Jason Jones, as sheriff's deputy, got sick, couldn't get monoclonal antibodies, couldn't get ivermectin.
[06:18]
Tucker Carlson
When in 2001 was that? Remember?
[06:20]
Dr. Peter McCullough
So the summer of 2021. Well, so. Well, let's start in the spring of 2021. So this is following the rollout of the COVID shots. The government is upset because people are not buying it. People are not getting. There's very low uptake, very low interest. There's suspicion of these shots. So in March, they started their PR campaign. The government, they went after Ivermectin. The FDA put something on their website about, you can't use Ivermectin for Covid. That Biden doled out $11.5 billion to groups around the country. Initially, it started with 275. It went up to 17,000 influencers, church groups, sports leagues, all sorts of people just. Just funneling out taxpayer money to go after doctors like myself that were spreading misinformation and to, you know, this is. You push people to get these Covid shots. So that. That happened in the spring. And that's how. So Houston Methodist Hospital. And that's where I had privileges. They were the first hospital in the country to mandate the shots. And this was April 1 2, 2021. And this was the exact day that Biden announced COVID 19 community core, that, that billion, multi billion dollar propaganda effort. I think it was very purposeful. I think the mandate started in Houston for a reason. I knew. I think that they knew if they could get away with the mandates in Texas, they could get away with them anywhere.
[07:54]
Tucker Carlson
Where was your governor in this?
[07:56]
Dr. Peter McCullough
He was, you know, he. He.
[07:59]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah. A Republican governor.
[08:01]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, he was. He was a little slow to act. I mean, he. He was on board with Methodists. In fact, I have the CEO of Methodist, Dr. Mark Boom on camera. Saying that Governor Abbott wanted them to get a shot in every arm. That's. That's according to the CEO of Methodist. But, you know, he did. He did come through eventually. But this is early on. So then that summer started having all these breakthrough cases. And I was seeing it because I was testing people. So I started to track people that by their vaccination status. And I saw that the vaccinated outnumbered the unvaccinated, and they were just as sick, if not sicker. So I brought this to the attention of Houston Methodist.
[08:45]
Tucker Carlson
Were these your patients you're talking about?
[08:47]
Dr. Peter McCullough
People that were coming to my office to get tested?
[08:51]
Tucker Carlson
Why wasn't every doctor doing this?
[08:53]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I don't know. Well, we can get to that because, I mean, I'm independent, so it allowed me to do things that other doctors can't do. But I was actually collaborating with Methodists. I was sharing my data with them because I had so many. I mean, basically, I was just. All I saw was Covid for a few years, and we were trying to get the data published. So we had a good relationship. So I reached out, I said, hey, are you seeing what I'm seeing? Like these. All these breakthrough cases? At the same time, I had all these people coming to me very distraught about the mandates. And, you know, because we were ahead of the time, right. This was before the rest of the country was mandating the shots. But in Houston, if you were in a lot of people at Houston Methodists, they employ about 30,000 people very distraught over these mandates. And then I. And then I see that they're not working. At that time, I wasn't seeing the injuries. And at that time, I was just very vocal against the mandates. So I. You know, then we'll. In August, late August of 2021, FDA put out the infamous horse tweet. And that's the attractive healthcare worker nuzzling the horse and says, seriously, y'all, you're not a horse, you're not a cow. Stop it. Tweet went viral. That's right. That's when Joe Rogan got smeared for taking Ivermectin. And then right after that, Biden mandated the shots, and they took away monoclonal antibodies. So it was all very orchestrated.
[10:23]
Tucker Carlson
But monoclonal antibodies, I've never heard anybody say that they weren't helpful.
[10:29]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right. But if you have monoclonal antibodies available as an option, people are going to do that rather than get the shot. So that's why, in my opinion, that's why they took away the monoclonal antibodies, which were Working. They worked great. I mean, it was.
[10:42]
Tucker Carlson
So this is like, the most evil thing that's ever happened in the United States.
[10:46]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, in my opinion, definitely.
[10:49]
Tucker Carlson
I'm sorry to keep interjecting. It's just. Even though I live this, it's just so stunning to hear it recounted as crisply as you are recounting it. So, okay, so they take away monoclonal antibodies. They mandate the shot. You're sharing your data with the hospital at which you have privileges. What are they saying?
[11:11]
Dr. Peter McCullough
So their response was one sentence, and it said, well, we think the shots are there to lessen the severity. Well, interestingly enough, they've never shared their data, their hospital data. And being the first in the country to mandate the shots, you would. You know, they're sitting on an enormous amount of data. And if. If the shots had been effective in preventing transmission or lowering the severity, then they should have shared that. They would have shared that. They would have been, you know, screaming that from the rooftops. It fits their agenda. But they've been very quiet about that. So, you know, I had, you know, all these things, all these patients coming to me very distraught. I had one patient come to me and tell me that her urologist at Houston Methodist called her and said, you're going to need to find a new urologist if you don't get the COVID shots. And she had a history of bladder cancer, so she was very upset, and she was calling me to try to find a new.
[12:11]
Tucker Carlson
The urologist said, I won't treat you well.
[12:14]
Dr. Peter McCullough
He said that the department was talking, having discussions about not treating patients that were unvaccinated.
[12:22]
Tucker Carlson
He didn't say the Texas Health Department?
[12:25]
Dr. Peter McCullough
No, this is at Houston Methodist Hospital.
[12:27]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, the Department of Urology.
[12:28]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yes. That's what he told this patient. Then.
[12:33]
Tucker Carlson
Doesn't he have a moral obligation to treat his patients?
[12:36]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, well, we saw all sorts of moral issues during the pandemic. I mean, yeah, crimes. So, yeah, that happened. And then on the exact same day, I got a notice from a surgery center where I operate that I'd have to get the COVID shot to continue operating. And then on the same day, I got a notice from this hospital where I was trying to help the sheriff's deputy. They had a court order to give me emergency temporary privileges so that I could give him Ivermectin. The wife sued, and she was, you know, last ditch effort. Let a dying man try Ivermectin before the sheriff's deputy.
[13:17]
Tucker Carlson
Father of six.
[13:18]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yes, I testified. She. She asked me to testify. I Testified. Senator Bob hall testified. We won. And the court was ordered to give me emergency temporary privileges. And then I was to get either myself personally give the Ivermectin to him or have a nurse do it because they thought it was too dangerous for one of their own members to do it, to treat a patient with Ivermectin, which is insane. Anyway, I got a notice that they were going to deny my privileges, even though, I mean, I had never, I've never been sued for malpractice. Spotless record. You know, they made me get letters of recommendation. They, they made me submit my surgical case logs. They just fought tooth and nail to make the whole process as difficult as they could. And the lawyers ended up having to go back to the judge and fight with, you know, fight with them over just giving me privileges. Whereas, you know, at that time there was a shortage. You know, they needed doctors to work in the hospitals. And if I, under other circumstances, I had just shown up and said, hey, I want to help out in the icu, they would have granted me privileges the same day. There wouldn't have been any kind of letters or recommendation or, you know, surgery. Anyway, they, so they.
[14:35]
Tucker Carlson
Can I ask, were you pretty confident this man was going to die without treatment?
[14:40]
Dr. Peter McCullough
No. So this is interesting. So the, the lawyers that were doing this case, Ralph Lorigo and Beth Parlotto, they did 189 cases around the country, similar situation. The spouse is suing the hospital to try to get their loved one Ivermectin. In this last ditch effort to save their lives, half of those people, they won the case. And in the cases where they won, all but three patients died. In the cases where they lost, all the patients died. I mean, it's really amazing. And apparently the judges, their political party matched the outcome of the trial. So the Republican judges were the ones that ruled in favor of the plaintiff, and then the Democrat judges were the ones that ruled against the plaintiff.
[15:29]
Tucker Carlson
You're making my heartbeat fast hearing this. It's. So what happened in this specific case?
[15:36]
Dr. Peter McCullough
So, you know, we, there was a lot of back and forth. It was very confusing. It was very happening very quickly. And, you know, his life is on the line. And they basically, the lawyers told me, you have the green light. We're going to go ahead. We can go. It's all good. Everything's cleared. So I send the nurse to the hospital and she's greeted by the police and the hospital administrator and turned away. And he never is allowed to get the Ivermectin. They appealed and Were managed to get a stay on the order, and then on appeal, they lost. So the wife, luckily, she was able to go into the hospital every day, which was unusual. Most spouses didn't get to do that, but that was one good thing. And this was at Texas Huguely Hospital in Fort Worth. So she applied ivermectin to him topically every day without the hospital knowing. The hospital tied up his feeding tube because they didn't want her sneaking anything in. They put towels and rubber bands around it so that nothing could be snuck in.
[16:46]
Tucker Carlson
These people are evil.
[16:47]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah. I mean, they fought tooth and nail to keep him from just trying a very safe medication, which I believe should be over the counter. And then. And then they turned me into the medical board over it, and I'm still fighting those charges. The patient, he did survive, but he spent six months in the hospital. He lost half of his body weight. He never was able to make a full recovery. And then, unfortunately, he did pass away.
[17:17]
Tucker Carlson
That's like. That's a. That's very upsetting to hear that. That's very upsetting. And so the charges against you. Boy, I thought I was done being upset by Covid. You just brought me back. It's such a. It's such a stain on this country.
[17:35]
Dr. Peter McCullough
It's a. It's a stain on the medical profession.
[17:38]
Tucker Carlson
And just that people didn't storm the hospitals. You, your. Your father, your husband, your children dying alone. Yeah, you should have showed up with guns and said, get out of my way is my loved one, and I'm going to be with him when he dies.
[17:52]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Exactly.
[17:53]
Tucker Carlson
And so I. You know, people should have done that, and I hope they will next time. Excuse me. So your crime is recommending a therapy for Covid. That's a crime, or is there?
[18:05]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I mean, well, the technicality is that I didn't have hospital privileges when I sent the nurse to the hospital, but because this was a legal decision.
[18:14]
Tucker Carlson
But she never got in.
[18:15]
Dr. Peter McCullough
She never got in. And I was following the guidance of the lawyers.
[18:19]
Tucker Carlson
So your nurse made it to the threshold of a hospital, therefore, you should lose your medical license. Is that.
[18:24]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, I don't think they're trying to. I think they just want to find me and find you. Yeah. Mark, my record and I could have settled a long time ago. So you have something called an informal settlement conference. It's behind closed doors, there's no witnesses, or you don't really get to interact much. And they offered to make it go away if I paid them $5,000 and took eight hours of CME and retook continuing medical education. And then. And then retook the jurisprudence exam. So all doctors in Texas have to take a medical legal exam, so. Which I've already taken and passed, but they wanted me to take it again. And I just said, no, I'm not. I'm not caving to this. And unfortunately, the latest. So it's been three and a half years. There have been multiple continuances. They haven't been able to find an expert witness to testify against me. The first one got sick with cancer. The second one just, I think just chickened out. I don't know. And then the third one, the third witness, it turns out that the entire time. And he was the former medical director of the Texas Medical Board the entire time, the last 12 years, he's been working for Planned Parenthood. So we found that out.
[19:42]
Tucker Carlson
Wait, what?
[19:43]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah.
[19:44]
Tucker Carlson
Wait, what? I'm. I'm so sorry. Now I'm tuning in with greater intensity. What is his job, his day job, when he's not.
[19:50]
Dr. Peter McCullough
He's a lab director for Planned Parenthood.
[19:53]
Tucker Carlson
What is a lab director at Planned Parenthood do?
[19:56]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I don't know.
[19:57]
Tucker Carlson
So fetal tissue to vaccine companies?
[19:59]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, probably.
[20:00]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah. And he's on the medical board.
[20:05]
Dr. Peter McCullough
He was the med. He was the medical director of the medical board.
[20:09]
Tucker Carlson
And he works at Planned Parenthood.
[20:12]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Exactly. Yeah.
[20:13]
Tucker Carlson
So this is not Vermont. This is Texas.
[20:15]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Exactly. No, I mean, Texas is not what people think.
[20:18]
Tucker Carlson
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[22:27]
Tucker Carlson
Merchants Payments Coalition, not authorized by any candidate or candidates committee. Www.merrestancespaymentscoalition.com so do you think, like, take yourself out of this. This is just like a med school classmate is going through what you're going through. Do you see any other side to the argument? Any potentially legitimate justification for hounding you for four years?
[22:51]
Dr. Peter McCullough
You know, the medical board's job is to protect the public from dangerous doctors. I mean, it's true though. I mean, there are, you get a monthly bulletin and there are sex.
[23:03]
Tucker Carlson
Like the ones who give your kids amphetamines for adhd? Well, yeah, the ones who hook your wife on benzodiazepines because she has panic attacks. Those doctors.
[23:10]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right, right. Well, no. I mean, no, not those doctors.
[23:13]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, different doctors. Okay.
[23:16]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I mean, we get a monthly email just blasting all the crimes that doctors have done and it's pretty bad. I mean, it's, you know, sex offenders.
[23:23]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, I, I'm not surprised even a little bit.
[23:26]
Dr. Peter McCullough
A lot of, you know, so that's their role. I don't think I'm dangerous. I was trying to save a life. I stepped on the toes of a hospital. That was my crime. A multi billion dollar hospital, Advent hospital. And that's what happened with Methodist. I stepped on their toes and they just weren't going to have that.
[23:46]
Tucker Carlson
So at any point during this, can you go to the. I mean these are obviously huge corporations, but they're institutions whose goal is to Save lives, improve lives, bring health to the population. Could you ever just call the CEO of the hospital and the medical director of the hospital and say, this is really crazy. I'm not profiting from this Ivermectin. There's no profit margin in it. Right. I just think this therapy works. I've seen it and I'm going to try and help and why don't you back off?
[24:14]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah. Can you do that? I mean, at the time that this was going down, it was a legal battle. I felt like, well, I really can't. I just have to. Yeah. I can't step outside what the lawyers are telling me to do.
[24:27]
Tucker Carlson
How much money do these hospitals take from the Biden administration? Do you know?
[24:31]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I don't, I don't know for sure, but I know that Houston Methodist Hospital has $13 billion in assets. That was actually a couple years ago. It's probably more now. Assets in assets. So 13 billion in assets. And they have, you know, locations all over Houston. They don't pay property taxes. They're non profit.
[24:54]
Tucker Carlson
They don't pay property taxes.
[24:55]
Dr. Peter McCullough
They don't pay any property tax.
[24:57]
Tucker Carlson
Do you think we should get rid of nonprofit status, period?
[24:59]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yes.
[24:59]
Tucker Carlson
I don't understand. I've met almost no non profit that I think is good and that needs to be reformed. We could probably close the deficit despite getting it.
[25:12]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Exactly.
[25:13]
Tucker Carlson
Having these people pay the taxes that the rest of us pay.
[25:15]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah.
[25:17]
Tucker Carlson
Wow, that's just so shocking. Was there any hospital in Houston where you live, I think that was willing to be reasonable or was not taking orders?
[25:26]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yes, there was.
[25:27]
Tucker Carlson
Good.
[25:27]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yes. So there was a Dr. Joe Verone, who is a pulmonologist, critical care doctor. He's now the head of Independent Medical Alliance. He and I, I would have, it was crazy. We'd have patients calling us all over the country saying help get me out of this hospital. And he would accept transfers from all over the country. So people would be, you know, life flighted from ICU and in Maine and taken down to Houston and he would care for them. And this hospital, ummc allowed him to use Ivermectin. And we were, there was a whole protocol that was, it's called the Math plus protocol and started by flccc, which now is Independent Medical Alliance. But it was high dose steroids, it was high dose ivermectin, it was high dose vitamin C, it was breathing treatments. It was all these very basic, you know, not dangerous things that weren't being done. He saved a lot of lives. He worked crazy. I mean, I Think he worked over two and a half years straight without even a break. But I was fortunate to have him as an ally and somebody.
[26:39]
Tucker Carlson
What a man. Good for him. So do you're clearly a data person. Do we have like the final outcome? Like how did those patients do versus patients who were like intubated in some Biden controlled hospital?
[26:52]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, if you look at, there's a great website that compiles all the ivermectin data just by itself. And There we have 105 studies showing the efficacy of ivermectin. And it, you know, it varied depending on the actual patient, as it should. And, and you wouldn't always just use ivermectin. So, you know, in my more severe patients, I would use a combination of ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin. During that second week, I would do higher dose steroids if necessary. I would do breathing treatments. So it's hard to isolate saying, okay, well it's just Ivermectin. But when you look on this compilation of studies, I mean, even in the late stages, and you were asking me about this earlier, even in the late stages, they showed that ivermectin could decrease mortality by 40%. It's most effective if you actually take it as prevention. So people taking it twice a week do the best, and then the people that start day one or two or three, they're the next best.
[27:57]
Tucker Carlson
But so we, I mean, that's established. We know that.
[28:00]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, it depends on who you ask. But yes, there is plenty of data supporting that.
[28:06]
Tucker Carlson
So why isn't that like the official CDC protocol for Covid?
[28:11]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, you know, it would help myself and other doctors who, I mean, I'm not the only doctor going through this with the medical board. But if they could make it a countermeasure, then it's protected under the Prep act and then it makes all these issues that we're having with the medical boards essentially go away.
[28:28]
Tucker Carlson
Is there anybody who has counter data numbers showing the opposite, that people taking ivermectin like, die more?
[28:37]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, I wouldn't say that they'd say it doesn't work or it's not. But the studies that, that are all establishment, you know, in the, in the big journals, they're either, either they didn't give the ivermectin soon enough or they gave too low of a dose, or the study was sponsored by somebody that has financial interest and seen it not work. So there are studies countering that. But if you, if you look at the. There's just an abundance of data showing it works, and it's super safe. So I. I was a little bit nervous before I started using it because of all the, you know, media. You know, that's only for horses and that sort of thing. So I dug into it and I did.
[29:22]
Tucker Carlson
What does it help horses? I know. We kept hearing it was a horse dewormer. Is it effective?
[29:26]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yes, for their parasite issues, but. So I looked at the study where Merck submitted to the fda. It's on their website. Anybody can find it. And you get toxicity data, and there's something called the LD50, which stands for Lethal Dose 50. It's a benchmark number that's used to gauge how toxic a medication is. So the higher the number, the lower the toxicity. And in Covid, we were using higher doses of Ivermectin than what you use to treat a parasite. So I wanted to make sure these higher doses were okay. Well, if you look at the LD50 of ivermectin, it's anywhere from 11 to 82 times what we're giving for Covid. So we are far under that threshold. And then I did a literature search, and I tried to find accidental, intentional overdoses from Ivermectin, and I couldn't find anything. And I. I checked recently, and there was one study showing some issues, and then it was a little bit muddy. Like, was this really Ivermectin? But if you look at Tylenol, I mean, there's thousands of papers showing toxicity from Tylenol, so it is.
[30:32]
Tucker Carlson
I know someone who has, you know, advanced liver disease from it.
[30:34]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Really? Wow.
[30:35]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah. Well, that's the thing. Thousands of people die every year, right? Yeah. So propofol used every day in hospitals. When you screw that up by a tiny bit, you're dead.
[30:46]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah.
[30:46]
Tucker Carlson
Correct.
[30:47]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right. Well, yeah, Yeah. I haven't seen it, but sure killed Michael Jackson. Yep. Well, that was.
[30:52]
Tucker Carlson
Right. But I'm just saying, like, us hospitals work with incredibly dangerous drugs every day.
[30:56]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right, Right.
[30:57]
Tucker Carlson
I'm sure you do.
[30:58]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah. Yeah.
[30:59]
Tucker Carlson
What are the side effects of it?
[31:01]
Dr. Peter McCullough
It's. I tell people I have a harder time with antibiotics in terms of side effects. Like, if I'm going to get a call back in my office, it's usually about an antibiotic problem, not Ivermectin. But you can get some GI issues, diarrhea, and then you can get blurry vision, but the blurry vision goes away when you stop taking it. And it's not like, oh, I can't read it's more like, oh, something's a little off. Not, you know, that's it. That's it.
[31:27]
Tucker Carlson
So I guess what you're saying without saying it is that there's really no compelling medical reason to call the cops if your nurse shows up with Ivermectin.
[31:35]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Exactly.
[31:36]
Tucker Carlson
So that's like purely political.
[31:38]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right?
[31:38]
Tucker Carlson
How did your business get your profession get so politicized?
[31:42]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, it's awful.
[31:44]
Tucker Carlson
Did you know that before all of this?
[31:45]
Dr. Peter McCullough
No. And I remember, you know, Methodists came after me very vocally, and I had a press conference outside my office as a. You know, I'm not. I'm not standing. I'm not putting up with this. And I said, you know, politics has no business in healthcare. And at the time, I really believed it. I was not political at all prior to this. I. I really. I shied away from pile. I. I really didn't like it, and I thought it was too divisive. And here. And here I am.
[32:16]
Tucker Carlson
But no, I think that's such a wonderful and very American. You have children.
[32:23]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah.
[32:23]
Tucker Carlson
And that's like a sweet kind of. That's. That's how you should feel. Yeah, that's how you should feel. I'm married to someone who feels that way. I don't like people arguing like, that's great. You know, we have important things to do, like.
[32:33]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right.
[32:33]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah. No, I'm sorry. I'm not making fun of you at all. I love that.
[32:36]
Dr. Peter McCullough
But now I feel like there's no other choice.
[32:39]
Tucker Carlson
Right.
[32:40]
Dr. Peter McCullough
You just have to. You have to get involved. So.
[32:43]
Tucker Carlson
So you were not politically aware at all before this started. And were you aware that your business, that medicine was so politicized? Had you noticed it at all?
[32:51]
Dr. Peter McCullough
No. It's interesting, though. I went and looked at the data for Texas because Texas has been infiltrated by people from all over the country.
[32:59]
Tucker Carlson
I'm aware.
[33:00]
Dr. Peter McCullough
33% population. Yeah, it is. And you look at healthcare professionals, what they donated, like, to political parties, and 10 years ago, they primarily donated to Republicans, and now they primarily donate to Democrats. The whole profession has shifted.
[33:22]
Tucker Carlson
I have a theory for why. But you, you're the doctor, so you tell me what you think the cause of that is.
[33:28]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, I think medicine in general. I mean, the corporate practice become. The corporate practice in medicine. It's become centralized. It's, you know, only 1% of doctors are not employed. I'm one of those.
[33:40]
Tucker Carlson
But not employed.
[33:41]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Like, so 77% of doctors are employed by a hospital. 20% are employed by private equity or insurance company. And 2% are employed by the government and only 1% are like myself. Where.
[33:59]
Tucker Carlson
So your choice is, like, your corporate douche overlords, private equity or insurance companies, if it's like, hilarious, like a joke. Or the government.
[34:10]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right, right.
[34:13]
Tucker Carlson
And you're in the 1% that has your own business.
[34:15]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah.
[34:18]
Tucker Carlson
Maybe that's the answer right there.
[34:20]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, I think it is. I mean, we have to. Doctors need to regain their power. They've lost all their power and they have no power. They have no power.
[34:29]
Tucker Carlson
They're just like little worker bees getting ordered around.
[34:31]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I designed. So I. When I got out of residency, I worked in a traditional practice and I started doing.
[34:38]
Tucker Carlson
Can you tell us, doing what?
[34:39]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Just ear, nose and throat and sleep medicine. And it was small, but it was. It was easy. And. But I was always bothered by the stranglehold that the insurance companies had over my ability to treat my patients. So, like, one easy example is your nose and throat doctor. We do an endoscopic exam of the nose. It takes about extra 10 minutes. Not really a big deal.
[35:00]
Tucker Carlson
Doesn't sound that fun, though, for the patient. It's.
[35:03]
Dr. Peter McCullough
It's really not bad. You numb it up first with spray. There's no shots. But if I did that and I. And I marked the code on the sheet, on the receipt, the patient might get some gigantic bill, like $400 for doing this little simple procedure, which, as an ENT, is pretty essential. It's part of our, you know, makes us different from the primary care doctor. We're able to look in there. Um, so it would always stress me out in the back of my mind, like, I'm going to do this and is the patient going to get some big bill? Right. I hated it. Um, so when I, you know, I took time off because I had. I had four boys in five years and.
[35:40]
Tucker Carlson
Four boys.
[35:41]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yes. Yes.
[35:45]
Tucker Carlson
Was that like.
[35:46]
Dr. Peter McCullough
It was. It was chaotic. Yes. And I wasn't sure I was going to go back. I started off, I'm just going to take a year off. And that led to seven years off. I wasn't sure I was even gonna go back to medicine, but as I got older, just kept nagging at me. So I decided to go back. But I said I was gonna do it on my own terms. So I call myself third party free. I don't contract with insurance companies, I don't contract with hospitals, and I don't contract with the government. And the only people I work for are my patients. And it was.
[36:15]
Tucker Carlson
So they just like, give you a credit card when they come in. That's it.
[36:18]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yes, but they, and they can file a receipt, they can file a claim to their insurance company and yeah, it's very transparent. Everybody knows how much everything costs and it's actually, you know, there's so many people that have very high deductible insurance now that they're basically cash patients unless something catastrophic happens. And if you go to a traditional doctor's practice, half the time they don't even know what to charge you for a cash patient because they're just so entrenched with the insurance industry. But there is a growing movement of doctors like myself and I'm a specialist so it's a little unusual, but there's something called direct primary care. And direct primary care is like affordable concierge care. So you're paying cash, but it's, the cost is typical like a gym membership. So it's not super high. You get a lot more access to your doctor, you got a lot more time, probably more quality. They're not always like minded in terms of COVID and to me that's a litmus test for your doctor. But it's a, it's a better way of doing it. You get much more access, higher quality care, more time and you save your insurance for the catastrophic care. That's what, that's what we do for our cars. And you know, use your HSA so Health Savings account, if you can get one of those and the government could expand those and make those more available for people because right now it's sort of limited based on your employer. But if you can pay out of pocket for your basics then you are likely to have a better experience.
[37:53]
Tucker Carlson
I think it's. And, but it also frees the doctor to think independently.
[37:57]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right.
[37:57]
Tucker Carlson
And to think on behalf of patients. Why didn't you get the COVID shot?
[38:04]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I almost got it. I, in my mind I thought, okay, this thing I don't think is going to work. But I didn't think it was going to hurt people. I just thought, I just don't think it's going to work.
[38:15]
Tucker Carlson
Why, why did you think that?
[38:16]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Because I trusted. I trusted. Yeah. I really had never given the fda, cdc, HHS a thought. I really hadn't. They weren't on my radar. I just sort of assumed that everything was fine.
[38:28]
Tucker Carlson
Well, but because you assumed that it's, it's interesting that you didn't think the shot would work.
[38:33]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right? Well, it's just because of the speed. I thought, well, how are they going to get this together so quickly that it's going to Work. I also. I looked at the study, and I looked at how they conducted the study, and I didn't like how they did that. So the people, the test subjects, were not routinely tested. They were just tested if the doctor felt like they needed to be tested, which seemed a little too muddy to me. So that. That I had a hesitation on that regard, too. And then I showed up. But, you know, I had this looming deadline because I had privileges at Houston Methodist, and you had to sign an attestation, and the attestation said that you either got the shot or you intended to get the shot. So I just woke up on a Saturday morning. I'm like, I'll just do it. Let's just get it over with. I went to the. A grocery store, and I stood in line where everybody should get their medical care. Right?
[39:29]
Tucker Carlson
Go to the grocery store.
[39:30]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right. Stood in line and the line was long, and I got impatient, and I was like, I'm going to leave. I'll come back another time. And I never came back. Thank God.
[39:40]
Tucker Carlson
Why?
[39:41]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Why didn't I go back?
[39:42]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, I mean, that's just. It's a big deal. You've got privileges of this hospital. You know, you treat patients, but this is part of your business. You're getting paid, and you're a doctor, so you kind of have to get the shot. Like, we're all on board. Everyone's doing this. And they really were mad at doctors who didn't take it, because that's. And nurses, because that's such a statement.
[40:04]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, I mean, here's how I justified it in my mind. I never stepped foot in that hospital. I had privileges there just as a emergency situation. So it wasn't like, okay, let's say I got Covid because I didn't get the shot, and then I'm going around the hospital infecting everybody. I wasn't in the hospital. I also knew that early treatment worked, so I knew that this shot was not necessary because I was seeing.
[40:29]
Tucker Carlson
I know, but there's so much pressure on everybody, particularly on physicians at that point to do it. If you don't do it, it's a big hassle. You knew that it was going to be a hassle. And so just like, I don't know, the tide is moving really briskly in one direction, and you decide to swim against it. That's more than just like, a casual decision. That's a serious decision. And I'm just trying to get to the heart of why you made it, because you're clearly a thoughtful person who doesn't do random. You're a doctor. You don't just do random things. One day, it's like, what was it? Was it instinct?
[41:00]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I think it was more. Yeah, instinct. And everything was so busy during that time. I mean, I. I couldn't think straight. I mean, we were. It was just slammed. And I just remember thinking, I'm just gonna go get this over with and just knock this off my list. And then when it didn't happen, I thought, well, this is. This is a sign, you know, I. I'm not going back. So it may just be instinct or providence. Providence.
[41:30]
Tucker Carlson
Okay. So, I mean, that decision changed your life, of course, because it puts you on the other side.
[41:36]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah.
[41:36]
Tucker Carlson
From everyone else.
[41:38]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah.
[41:39]
Tucker Carlson
How did your patients do with COVID Everybody.
[41:43]
Dr. Peter McCullough
So I used to give out my cell phone to everybody, especially, you know, the sick ones. Everybody that got early treatment survived. I even had some really, really sick people come in in the second and third week. So second, third week is when the inflammatory cascades set in and people get really sick. I had a man come in with an oxygen saturation in the 60s, and he was not a healthy guy. He'd had a history of a heart attack. He had a history of throat cancer. He was a veteran. And he basically said, I'm not going to the hospital because normally if somebody walked to my office like that, I'd call the ambulance and say, hey, yeah. But I had to allow him to potentially die in my office, which was very scary, but. And I had a handful of people like this. He wasn't.
[42:29]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, he sounds like he's on the brink.
[42:31]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, no, he was bad, but, you know, I had nurses that could do IVs. So we gave him high dose steroids in the IV. We gave him antibiotics, breathing treatments, high dose IV vitamin C. We gave him high dose ivermectin, and we brought them in every day as an outpatient because I didn't have a hospital bed in my office. And. And he survived. And I had a lot like that. So it was very gratifying. I learned a lot. I mean, it was. I learned that just because somebody's oxygen saturation is low, they don't need to be immediately put on a ventilator, which is the dogma that we came into the pandemic with.
[43:08]
Tucker Carlson
But I think that dogma has changed. Or at least I'm not in medicine, of course. But for normal people, there is this sense that, like, stay away from ventilators. Do you think that's a fair feeling?
[43:19]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah. I mean, I can See why doctors did it.
[43:22]
Tucker Carlson
I get it.
[43:23]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Because, you know, if somebody's struggling to breathe, that's a really scary, distressful feeling for a patient.
[43:28]
Tucker Carlson
Yes.
[43:29]
Dr. Peter McCullough
When you can't get enough oxygen, it's horrible. So I can understand. But I guess what I don't understand is why they didn't do more to keep him off the ventilator. It's bizarre to me. I mean, they gave him steroids, but they gave him very small doses of steroids. I mean, why didn't they just throw the kitchen sink at these people? And they just got stuck in these protocols and just basically allowed people to die.
[43:55]
Tucker Carlson
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[45:35]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, I was. I realized I've been in the hospital seven times, and I know well childbirth.
[45:40]
Tucker Carlson
As a physician. Oh, well, child.
[45:41]
Dr. Peter McCullough
As a patient. As a patient.
[45:42]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
[45:43]
Dr. Peter McCullough
And one of them I was really sick. I mean, I had pneumonia and sepsis. And I'm very grateful to the people who helped me. And this is from the flu. And I had gotten a flu shot, by the way. But now, like you said, I mean, everybody is terrified to go to the hospital. I mean, the hospital used to be the place you go, of course, the safe place. That's where you go, save my life. And now people are terrified to go to the hospital. And so, you know, our current administration needs. If they don't do anything, that's a big problem, because the trust has just been destroyed.
[46:19]
Tucker Carlson
Do you see that with your patients?
[46:20]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Oh, yeah. That's the most common question I get is where should I go if I need to go to the hospital? And I don't have a great answer for them. You know, your best bet is just keep yourself healthy. I mean, the biggest thing people can do is keep themselves healthy. Manage your diet, manage your stress, get enough sleep, exercise, get enough sun, and just stay out of the hospital. But keeping your weight under control is probably number one.
[46:47]
Tucker Carlson
Is it really? Why?
[46:51]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Because you gain weight, you're more susceptible to infection, you're more susceptible to heart disease, you're more susceptible to cancer, and those are the big three.
[47:01]
Tucker Carlson
And you have to buy new clothes, which is unacceptable. Yeah, you don't want to buy new clothes.
[47:06]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right. Well, but, you know, if you lose weight, you have to. I've. So I did Carnivore for six months, and I had to buy a whole new wardrobe.
[47:16]
Tucker Carlson
I'm speaking as a man. You can't buy new clothes.
[47:18]
Dr. Peter McCullough
You can't?
[47:19]
Tucker Carlson
No. Why not? It's against the rules.
[47:21]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Oh. Oh.
[47:21]
Tucker Carlson
Can't find new clothes. That's what keeps me in line. It just. Sorry. Really good it worked that well.
[47:31]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I weigh now what I weighed in high school. I never thought I'd get to that point. I did it for six months. And, you know, it's not for everybody, but I will say it's a lot safer than Ozempic and Manjiorno. And it's very simple. I mean, you. You basically eliminate all carbohydrates from your diet, and you just eat meat and fat, cheese. Yeah. And you snack on bacon. I mean, it's crazy. And you're like shedding pounds. It's boring, but it's simple. You don't count calories. You don't get hungry. I mean, you do go through the sugar withdrawal. Sugar is very addictive. You think so?
[48:07]
Tucker Carlson
But what do you think of fasting?
[48:10]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, I tried the intermittent fasting. Did not work. For me, I've heard that for women, it's not as effective. I worry that it slows down metabolism, but, you know, I have never tried it, and I know people swear by it.
[48:25]
Tucker Carlson
So you don't have a good answer on the hospital question. I noticed.
[48:29]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Oh. Oh, how to. How to fix that?
[48:31]
Tucker Carlson
No, like, what do you do if you get sick? Like, your. Your answer was don't get sick.
[48:36]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, if you have to go to the hospital, be prepared. Have somebody with you. Have your. There is a patient bill of rights. You have rights in the hospital. Make sure you know those.
[48:46]
Tucker Carlson
I haven't noticed them.
[48:47]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, they don't. They don't advertise them.
[48:49]
Tucker Carlson
Why? Doctors patronize patients.
[48:51]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Oh, yeah. So that. That's a bit. And it's empty.
[48:53]
Tucker Carlson
What is that? Treating them like children.
[48:55]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, When I started 20, 23 years ago, patients didn't have a lot of access to information, not like they have now. So we were in charge. We were definitely in charge because we had the information. And patients, really, unless they had textbooks, they didn't have it because it wasn't. We didn't have online information. And now my patients are well informed. And so every conversation I have with a patient, I know that they have been researching and they have a lot of information at their disposal. And I think a lot of doctors don't like that. I embrace it because, I mean, I learn from my patients. And if a patient finds something, I will dig into it because I don't have time to dig into all of everything. Right. And you see weird things, and I like it. But I think that doctors don't like that. It's. It's a power thing. And, I mean, it can be frustrating. On the flip side, if you feel like you really know what's going on and you're challenged by something somebody's read on the Internet, that can be frustrating. But it's. Yeah, the doctors just don't. It's. It's a power thing and an ego thing, mostly.
[50:10]
Tucker Carlson
That was my suspicion. So what did you end up thinking of? The shot, The COVID shot.
[50:18]
Dr. Peter McCullough
It's horrible. It needs to be pulled off the market. Should have been pulled off the market a long time ago. I looked at my patients in the two years following the rollout of the COVID shots, and 7% of my new patients were coming to see me for severe injuries. I've never seen anything like it with any other product on the market. Like, if this were an antibiotic and you were seeing all these side effects, it would have been yanked Off a long time ago. Normally, the FDA will put a black box warning on a medication. If there have been five deaths, they will pull it off the market if there have been 50. Well, according to VAERS, which. VAERS is vaccine adverse Event Reporting System, and it's vastly underreported, which I have seen firsthand because it's been in place.
[51:03]
Tucker Carlson
For 50 years or something. I mean, it's longitudinal, so we can see the response to all these different medications. Right.
[51:10]
Dr. Peter McCullough
According to VAERS, there have been 38,000 deaths from these Covid shots. So under normal circumstances, the FDA would have pulled it, but instead they've doubled down. They've put the shots on the childhood vaccine schedule. All babies are expected to get three Covid shots by the time they're nine months old. The shots are still under EUA status for this age group. So under 12, they're not even fully approved by the FDA, and yet they're on the vaccine schedule. And According to the CDC, 9 million American children have gotten the latest version of these Covid shots.
[51:45]
Tucker Carlson
Actually.
[51:45]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yes. Yes.
[51:46]
Tucker Carlson
Still.
[51:47]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yes. Yes. 9 million 12%. The. The concern I have with these kids. So we know. My card.
[51:57]
Tucker Carlson
This is going on right now.
[51:59]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yes.
[52:02]
Tucker Carlson
I think we voted against this.
[52:03]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah.
[52:04]
Tucker Carlson
Correct.
[52:05]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I don't know.
[52:08]
Tucker Carlson
You're very diplomatic, but I'm just stunned to learn that that's happening right now.
[52:13]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah.
[52:14]
Tucker Carlson
Could this be shut down?
[52:16]
Dr. Peter McCullough
It should have been shut down a long time ago. And, you know, what's the.9 million babies.
[52:22]
Tucker Carlson
Have had Covid shots.
[52:24]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah. Well, children, minors.
[52:31]
Tucker Carlson
Is it compulsory?
[52:33]
Dr. Peter McCullough
It's still compulsory in some states, yes. In some businesses. Not in Texas. So Texas actually passed a law outlawing mandates for Covid shots. But I actually reached out to people on Twitter yesterday, and they said. All these people said, yeah, still requiring shots for jobs or a nursing program or even transplants.
[52:59]
Tucker Carlson
So we're gonna let you die unless you get this shot. How could we fix that?
[53:09]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, the shots need to be pulled off the market immediately.
[53:12]
Tucker Carlson
Who could do that?
[53:14]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Who could do that? The FDA. Okay, so Marty McCarry. He could do that. And then we need accountability. I mean, we need. We can't sweep this under the rug because we will never restore that trust. And that's. That's the key thing, is if nothing happens, it's just a festering wound and the trust will never come back.
[53:40]
Tucker Carlson
Are there any indications that this is coming soon?
[53:44]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I mean, I'm not privy to conversations in the government.
[53:47]
Tucker Carlson
I think you probably follow this as closely as anybody. There's so much going On. So I'm going to just plead ignorance on that basis. There's like a lot.
[53:54]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah.
[53:54]
Tucker Carlson
Multiple wars and the economy and, you know, there's just a lot to distract you from this question, but I think it's a really important question. But you are focused on it. Have you seen any sign at all that these products, which, according to the self reporting system, VAERS have killed 38,000 people, that they're going to be pulled off the market?
[54:13]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I have not. I mean, I. It seems to me that hhs, their focus now has shifted or. I don't know, their focus is on food and food quality and improving that. And I haven't heard a word about COVID or the COVID shots.
[54:32]
Tucker Carlson
Really not.
[54:35]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I mean, maybe I've missed something, but that's. I mean, I'm just reading what you're reading. I mean, I don't.
[54:42]
Tucker Carlson
Food is like smoking and. And I love bad food and I love smoking. I don't smoke anymore. But I. I loved it. And I'll just say that and I won't hate me for it, but it's just true. That's why people do it, because they love it. And I love pizza. I don't think I ever smoked a cigarette. I don't think I've ever eaten a slice of pizza without knowing it was bad for me.
[55:00]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, exactly. Common sense.
[55:02]
Tucker Carlson
It is common sense. I mean, I do think, like, we shouldn't allow food stamps or snap to be used for Coca Cola. Okay. Obviously there are changes you can make for sure, but, like, you know when you're eating garbage? That's why we call it garbage. I'm 55. They called it that in 1975. They'd be like, oh, you're junk food. You know what junk food is, right? It's the delicious stuff. So, like, I'm not. I mean, I think it's important. I do think eating right is important. And I try not gonna eat any freaking vegetables, though. But whatever. But, like, the COVID stuff seemed the. The vat. The shot seems like an imminent threat. Yes.
[55:45]
Dr. Peter McCullough
And my concern, giving it to babies, because myocardit.
[55:49]
Tucker Carlson
You're positive that's actually happening? Babies are getting this.
[55:52]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Definitely. You can find it on the scene.
[55:56]
Tucker Carlson
I trust you. It's just freaking me out. I didn't know that.
[55:58]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah. That's why we can't let this just go away. Babies. So myocarditis. We know there's an increased risk of myocarditis in teenage boys who take these shots. We don't know what that risk is for non verbal babies because the symptom is chest pain. So a baby, the baby could be getting myocarditis and we have no idea. Myocarditis can leave a scar on the heart and then years later the heart is permanently right.
[56:31]
Tucker Carlson
You're playing lacrosse and you drop.
[56:32]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right. And that's my big concern. These babies could be getting myocarditis and we have no idea.
[56:39]
Tucker Carlson
Do you believe that those shots are responsible for permanent immune system damage?
[56:45]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I think. Well, what I have been looking at is spike protein antibody levels. So when you get a vaccine you can traditionally we call them titers. So like people who get hepatitis B vaccine, you can look at the titers, the antibody levels and see if you have protection. We do that as in the hospital a lot. So they want to make sure if you work in the hospital, if you get stuck by a needle, you're not going to get hepatitis B. So I've started looking at these spike protein antibody levels and it's alarming because the people I can tell immediately if somebody had the shot in the vaccinated, these antibody levels are, I did an average last night, 13,000 and the unvaccinated average is a thousand. So there's huge discrepancy.
[57:32]
Tucker Carlson
And this is years after the shock?
[57:33]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, years after. And these people, most of these people have gotten two, maybe three. Nobody's gotten more than that. And none of these people have been sick recently with COVID So it's very alarming to me. It suggests, I mean, we don't know, but it suggests that spike protein is still active and still replicating, possibly in the body. I mean, the MRNA in these shots is not mRNA, it's a synthetic mRNA and it was made to avoid degradation, so it's made to stay in the body. That was the purpose of it, of modifying it. So when I see these levels like this really concerns me that we have an issue with this ongoing spike protein in the body.
[58:22]
Tucker Carlson
What are the consequences of that, do you think?
[58:25]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, I think cancer is a big concern. I think immune dysfunction.
[58:30]
Tucker Carlson
How would that affect cancer?
[58:32]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, the spike protein is oncogenic. Talked about that. So viruses can be oncogenic. It appears that the spike protein, the MRNA shots have SV4,40 in it, which is an oncogenic virus. There's something called frame shifting. So when the MRNA is in production, is integrating that, it can produce new proteins just by little mistakes that happen. So these new proteins, we don't know what they are, but they could cause autoimmune disease. And possibly cancer as well. There's just a lot unknowns. I mean we don't even. We need a test to detect spike protein. All we have now is the antibody test. We really need a lot more. We need an antidote. I mean I am struggling because I have all these injured people and I usually start with ivermectin and ivermectin helps, it binds the spike protein and it's anti inflammatory. But we're really limited and we need a solution. So we need the NIH to really dig into this and help these injured patients because they're very challenging and you know, we're, we're sort of just you know, experimenting because we don't know and.
[59:51]
Tucker Carlson
They'Re not helping, I would say.
[59:54]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I mean I get, you know, I've tried a lot of things and my, the thing that works the best is ivermectin, but it's slow going. It's, you know, I usually put people on for a long period of time before saying, okay, this is not going to work. And it's just hard because we, you know, there's just not. We need the NIH to step up and help us.
[60:19]
Tucker Carlson
Time for another true life ALP story. I got a call from a friend of mine yesterday, honestly, true story. Who said his girlfriend had just broken up with him over alp. He wouldn't stop. And I thought to myself, that's kind of sad. And he said, no, it's not sad. Imagine if I'd married her. Now I know I was saved. Then the next day, this same friend is driving at twice the speed limit through a major American city, pulled over by a cop in a speed trap. Cop takes his license, registration, goes back to the patrol car, runs him, comes back, looks in the window and sees a tin of ALP on the dashboard. Pauses, stunned, says to my friend, you use alp? Yeah, I do, says my friend. So do I, says the cop. We all do. He looks at my friend thoughtfully and goes, drive safely sir. And hands back his license, registration, no ticket. So in two days he's saved from a tragic marriage to a girl who doesn't like ALP and a speeding ticket. All true. It's more than a nick in an Age Show. 350 million people are guessing there are about 350 million ALP stories. Email us yours, we want to know and read it on the air. Email. Tell allpouch.com Tell allkpouch.com Give us your op story. So one of the primary platforms we use for distribution is YouTube which in general has been great, actually, if I'm being honest, a lot less censorship than I got in any television job I ever had. So we're really grateful to YouTube. I never thought I'd say that. But the one area where we get censored by YouTube is when we talk about the COVID shot, and which I think is really interesting. So this will probably be censored on YouTube. But I just want to ask you. But you're a physician. Clinical physician. You're treating people, thousands of people. And so I feel like I have to ask you this. Tell us about the injuries you are seeing.
[62:16]
Dr. Peter McCullough
So I don't get the sudden collapse, myocarditis, stroke sort of situation because I'm outpatient.
[62:25]
Tucker Carlson
The soccer players.
[62:26]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right. I see. I see the. Yeah, it's. It varies, but I've seen some very strange rashes that don't go away with steroids and antihistamines and have actually, like, rashes, like, bumpy, red, splotchy. I mean, I had this poor kid, 15 years old. It was all over his face, all over his body. And he responded so well to Ivermectin. That was a great case.
[62:50]
Tucker Carlson
So are you sure that was vaccinated?
[62:53]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, it came on right. I mean, he had no prior history. Came on 15. He's 15. It came on right after the COVID shots. The. I see pots. So POTS is when the blood pressure drops suddenly or goes up real high suddenly for no clear trigger. And your pulse may be erratic as well. That's been a big thing with the COVID patients. That's very difficult to. To fix. I've seen a lot of neurological.
[63:23]
Tucker Carlson
Can I ask about. What does POT stand for?
[63:26]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Postural orthostatic hyper or temporal hypertension. Postural orthostatic syncope.
[63:35]
Tucker Carlson
I don't understand a single word of that. I probably shouldn't have asked you, but, like, what are its effects?
[63:39]
Dr. Peter McCullough
But so. So you feel faint, so you may just be standing there and your blood pressure drops or. Or your. Or your pulse goes up way high, and you feel like you're having a panic attack, that sort of thing. So it's symptomatic changes in your blood pressure that occur without any kind of trigger.
[63:56]
Tucker Carlson
What. I mean, that sounds like it could be dangerous.
[63:59]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, yeah, it's. It's very. And it's very hard to treat. So I see a lot of that. I've seen neurological tremors.
[64:07]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, come on.
[64:08]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Oh, yeah, yeah. No, no tremors. I've saw a patient a little bit older than me, CEO of a company he came in and he gave me his business card. And he said, hi, I'm this so and so. And he's. And he gave me his other card. And you go, and this is the biggest mistake I've ever made in my life. He gave me his vaccine card. Very difficult to. I mean, we've gotten a little bit of improvement, but just, you know, in a lot of fatigue, hand tremors, whole body. His whole body?
[64:37]
Tucker Carlson
No way.
[64:38]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah.
[64:39]
Tucker Carlson
Even when he sleeps. That's got to affect every part of your life.
[64:43]
Dr. Peter McCullough
A lot of these patients say they feel a lot of burning, like pins and needles when they sleep, which is typical with neuropathy.
[64:54]
Tucker Carlson
So it sounds like a life destroyer.
[64:56]
Dr. Peter McCullough
No. Yeah, it's bad. And they don't just. It's not like giving them an antibiotic, and a week later they're better. These are chronic conditions, and the hot. And the government's not helping. So, you know, Brionne Dressen of React 19, I don't know if. So React 19 was a organization started to help the injured from, you know, with the COVID shots. The head of that organization was involved in the AstraZeneca trial. So she was a. She volunteered to be a guinea pig, and she got injured. Government just came out and said, they're not going to help her. They're not going to give her any kind of financial reimbursement.
[65:33]
Tucker Carlson
When?
[65:35]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Maybe a week or two ago.
[65:39]
Tucker Carlson
I don't understand. Like, we didn't vote for this at all.
[65:42]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right.
[65:45]
Tucker Carlson
Well, I mean, the government. Well, in her case, she was part of the clinical trials, you said.
[65:50]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right.
[65:51]
Tucker Carlson
But everybody else, not including me, and you took it because we were, you know, the subject of, like, the biggest propaganda campaign in American history. So, yeah, we're forced by the government to take it.
[66:04]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right.
[66:07]
Tucker Carlson
By the way, why aren't the companies paying these people?
[66:09]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Companies have no liability risk with these products, and the PREP act even further protects them. So it's.
[66:18]
Tucker Carlson
When is the PREP act passed?
[66:20]
Dr. Peter McCullough
It is not. It does not expire until 2029.
[66:26]
Tucker Carlson
And so under the PREP act, they're even more shielded.
[66:29]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Anything that happened, anything that's designated as a countermeasure is protected. So anything that happens in the hospitals, anything happens from these shots, it's all protected from liability. There. There is one really monumental lawsuit going on that could change that. Brooke Jackson is a whistleblower for Pfizer, and she was involved in the research. So she was at the clinical trial sites. She was the manager, and she was seeing all sorts of issues with the way they were conducting the trial. And she brought that to the company's attention. She brought that to the FDA's attention, and she was fired. So she has been in this gigantic legal battle against Pfizer for a long time now. I think we're going on four years. And unfortunately, and this was during Biden, the DOJ stepped in and. And basically said, no, you can't sue Pfizer. It's crazy.
[67:31]
Tucker Carlson
Can't sue Pfizer. Oh, of course you can't sue Pfizer.
[67:35]
Dr. Peter McCullough
The DOJ stuck up for Pfizer, which is not usually how that works.
[67:40]
Tucker Carlson
I'm surprised he didn't arrest her for complaining.
[67:42]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Exactly.
[67:44]
Tucker Carlson
This has got to be making you pretty radical.
[67:48]
Dr. Peter McCullough
It doesn't seem very radical to me. Seems like common sense.
[67:51]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, you don't seem like a radical person, but this makes me feel radical. So neurological symptoms. And you're pretty convinced those are also from the shot?
[68:02]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, you look at, okay, what was their past history? Do they have any issues? Were they otherwise healthy? And then when did these things start happening and the timeline. And then the other thing is, they typically go to other doctors and they get the million dollar workup and they can't find anything to explain it. And the doctors are baffled. They put them on psychiatric medications.
[68:25]
Tucker Carlson
Not really.
[68:26]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Oh, yeah. I saw one patient on a sleeping pill, a benzodiazepine, and an antidepressant ssri.
[68:38]
Tucker Carlson
Why do we have so many mass shooters in this country? I don't know. It's baffling. That's shocking. So they used to. I mean, in just American culture, they used to make fun of 19th century medical cures for hysteria. You know, it was always like, you know, like the Victorian medical cures. And one would have a problem, they'd be like, here's a giant vibrator. Or do you know what I mean? Like, literally, they made that. Like, it's all in your head, honey, calm down. And that was like a trope.
[69:08]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah.
[69:09]
Tucker Carlson
And. And I was hardly a feminist, but I was kind of sympathetic to that. Like, don't. Don't just, like, dismiss people. You know what I mean? Tell them they're hysterical.
[69:17]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right, but that's.
[69:19]
Tucker Carlson
That's what you're describing.
[69:20]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yes. They don't get reported to vaers. I've had to report every single patient that came to my to see me for an injury. I was the one. Even though they'd seen multiple other doctors, it was me that had to report it to VAERS. So I know it's underreported.
[69:35]
Tucker Carlson
VAERS is one of those things. I love the idea of VAERS. And I remember reading the VAERS report in 2021 when I worked in television and just going on one night and reading it. Here's what's been reported from this compound that people are being forced to take. And, man, I got so attacked by the Atlantic magazine and everybody. It's like, no, this is a federal reporting system.
[70:04]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right.
[70:04]
Tucker Carlson
And that was kind of the last I ever heard of vaers. Like, no one ever mentions it. Like, what's the. What's the point of having it if it's, like, irrelevant?
[70:11]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah. It's not subtle. If you look on there, you know, you don't have to have a degree in statistics to understand what's going on. I mean, it's like nothing's happening and then whoosh. You know, just. It's.
[70:22]
Tucker Carlson
Especially since it was in place during the rollout of a bunch of other vaccines.
[70:27]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right.
[70:27]
Tucker Carlson
Like, going a long way back. So it's like, you know, measles, rubella.
[70:34]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Exactly.
[70:35]
Tucker Carlson
Right. I don't have any degree, and I could. I could understand that. So does it. Do you ever hear federal officials make reference to vaers?
[70:44]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I had not to my knowledge. I mean, I could have missed that, but no.
[70:48]
Tucker Carlson
So the idea with VAERS seems to be that people are complaining again. They need to shut up.
[70:53]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Apparently, it's one more thing is being swept under the rug.
[70:58]
Tucker Carlson
Okay, so you've told a much sadder story than I expected to hear. Are you concerned that. Because the technology in these shots was, you know, brand new, never deployed before, at scale anyway. Is that correct?
[71:16]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right.
[71:18]
Tucker Carlson
And the, you know, the trials for these drugs were like. I think we can say. It's fair to say a joke.
[71:23]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right.
[71:25]
Tucker Carlson
That there are consequences that, like, haven't manifest yet. That we.
[71:31]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, it's. It's hard to get up to date cancer numbers, but I'm hearing all sorts of things.
[71:36]
Tucker Carlson
Why is it hard to get up to date cancer numbers?
[71:38]
Dr. Peter McCullough
That's a good question.
[71:39]
Tucker Carlson
We're in the middle of a cancer moonshot, doctor. Right.
[71:41]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right there. There's probably people that have access to that data, but publicly, it's hard and, you know, so I have to rely. I don't see a ton of cancer in my practice, but I do have friends at MD Anderson, and they said they've never seen anything like it. The young people coming in with very advanced tumors. I think that's what we have to be worried about now.
[72:06]
Tucker Carlson
Can I ask. You've made reference, like, five times to numbers and the difficulty in getting Numbers. I don't understand why. I mean, I understand why the identity of patients is shielded by federal law. That seems reasonable to me for privacy reasons. But, you know, the. Just the fact that someone has this or that disease with no identifying markers connected like that, seems like it should be public information. How is that not. Why is there so much secrecy around medical data?
[72:35]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, the data itself, it could be. There could be an agenda behind it. It could just be a total inefficiency of the bureaucracy. It's hard to say. But yeah, it'd be nice if we could have more data.
[72:49]
Tucker Carlson
Well, isn't that essential to science?
[72:53]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, it is. But, you know, it's. It's also. I guess it's complicated in some degrees to get it all out there, but yeah, transparency would be. Even aside from the. The cancer numbers. I mean, like I said with COVID there are all these hospitals that had so much data at their disposal and didn't share it. It'd be nice to see, you know, Houston Methodists come out and share their data with us since they were the first. They led the way with the mandates. Be nice to see how successful that effort was for their employees and for their patients.
[73:34]
Tucker Carlson
Can a lawsuit force that?
[73:36]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I actually sued them to get that data.
[73:39]
Tucker Carlson
Many were ferocious.
[73:41]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I lost. I.
[73:42]
Tucker Carlson
On what grounds?
[73:43]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I don't know. It was just political grounds. I think I sued to get their financial data because as a non profit, they are supposed to give it to you if somebody from the public wants to know. But this is what they get in.
[73:58]
Tucker Carlson
Exchange for not paying property taxes.
[74:02]
Dr. Peter McCullough
But there was some technicality. I don't understand really why we lost, but we did. We even appealed and we lost on appeal.
[74:12]
Tucker Carlson
Do you think that Covid, clearly there's been no reckoning. You've not been recognized for your bravery and prescience, you called it. And you should be rewarded for that. You haven't been likely, never will be. So there's so much about it. The shots are still being given to babies. That's my takeaway from this conversation. There's no effort to pull this stuff from the market. 38,000 deaths later, there's no recourse. The average person has. You can't afford to hire lawyers, and you can't sue the companies that make these products, and you can't sue the government officials that force you to take these products. Everything about it is just pure or well. So that's the downside. And it's crushing, actually, to hear all of this from. You didn't expect to hear this what are the upsides? People are more aware. Do you see medicine in the United States getting better now that people who are paying attention know what's up?
[75:13]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I think people are feeling more empowered, which is how they should be. I mean, they're not listening to the government for their healthcare decisions anymore. I think people have learned from that mistake. And, you know, I haven't lost all hope. I'm grateful. You know, there was a time where I couldn't even. I was banned from Twitter. I don't know if you were, but, you know, we are. Free speech is coming back.
[75:40]
Tucker Carlson
I wouldn't. I mean, they. I'm not. Like, they couldn't ban me from Twitter, so. They didn't. Yeah, yeah, but. But they could ban. Much more informed. Plus, I'm. How am I a threat? I'm just some, like, random talk show host with an opinion. The people they want to ban are the people who are telling the informed truth. The physicians who are treating thousands of COVID patients. Like, you're the threat, not me. You're like, I'm a doctor. I'm a reasonable person. I'm not political. Here's what I'm learning. They have to ban you.
[76:10]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right. Right. Well, and, you know, we're making. Hey, I'm grateful to you for having me on here, because this is old news to most people. Right. And, you know, we just need to keep speaking out. We just need to keep. My foot is on the pedal. You know, even though there is no pandemic anymore, but we must just keep pounding away at this.
[76:33]
Tucker Carlson
Well, it sounds like indications suggest. I mean, I don't. You don't want to overstate anything, but it feels like the consequences are still rippling. And I don't know why there's not an organized effort to find out, you know, are cancer rates spiking? We eliminated cigarette smoking, which was supposedly the main driver of cancer. I was there for all that. They beat me into quitting, which is fine. Smoking's bad. I got it. But cancer went up. So at some point, I'd say, stop. You told me this. The opposite happened. Let's talk about why. I'm not attacking you, but I demand an answer, and I don't know why. How hard is that to get some statistician at NIH or wherever, HHS to tell me what's happening with cancer rates and pediatric cancer rates, especially, because that's, like, crazy town, I think.
[77:25]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah. The money is there for the treatment, not for the cause. Right. So it is. You know, there's lots of money it's just going towards.
[77:34]
Tucker Carlson
Well, that doesn't make any sense. Like how, how can you recommend treatment without knowing its effect? How can you, you can't make any wise decision without all the facts, as we say.
[77:45]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right, right. But this is not, I mean, this is financially driven. So if you're, you're in it to, to make money, you're going to go after the treatment, not the cause.
[77:58]
Tucker Carlson
Very cynical about medical care, investing a lot. Would you have gone into this if you had known? Yeah, I mean, I'm sorry not to get you to reevaluate your life.
[78:12]
Dr. Peter McCullough
It's been very difficult, but it's been impactful and in some ways I'm glad it happened. It's been very educational and I have hope that it will change. It may take another generation, but Covid should be the wake up call. And the seeds were there before COVID but Covid, Covid brought it all out there and we, and hopefully, you know, we could actually learn from it and change course.
[78:46]
Tucker Carlson
You said you got a flu shot and then you went up, you wound up in the hospital with pneumonia and sepsis. I'm certain not to laugh at your illness, but so. But you got a flu shot. I've never had a flu shot because I'm lazy. But you clearly believe, you know, you wouldn't have got it. You're a doctor, you wouldn't have got it unless you thought it was efficacious.
[79:06]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right.
[79:06]
Tucker Carlson
So you got one. Has what you've seen over the past five years changed your view of other vaccine courses?
[79:13]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, I mean, what I've realized is I made a lot of assumptions about vaccines. It was, you know, the gospel according to vaccines. When I was in training, there was no questioning, was just accepted fact they were safe and effective. And Covid made me realize that, well, hold on, maybe let's see how they were tested. And they have not been tested like other products on the market. So they don't have placebo controlled TR.
[79:38]
Tucker Carlson
Trials, Any of them?
[79:40]
Dr. Peter McCullough
No, not like the other products on the market. And they don't have liability protection. So they're. The companies are not motivated.
[79:47]
Tucker Carlson
They don't have liability exposure.
[79:48]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, sorry. Yes. So the companies are not motivated. There's no repercussion if something goes wrong and there's no reason for to spend a lot of money to ensure that it's safe. So now, you know, I have questions about all of them now. I will say I've not seen the carnage from the flu shot that I've seen with the COVID Shot. I think there's a different degree of danger there, but it does make me question it all. And if you look at the flu shot, in fact, has never been shown to decrease hospitalization or death in people that get the flu shot. And it actually makes you more susceptible to other viruses and you can treat it.
[80:32]
Tucker Carlson
I had a child who was badly injured by the flu vaccine.
[80:35]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Oh, wow.
[80:37]
Tucker Carlson
And for me, that was one of the drivers in not. I mean, I had. When it happened was almost 20 years ago. I had no idea that facts. I never thought that vaccines could hurt anybody. Never even entered my mind. I thought they were, like, one of the great miracles of science. I was so proud that we developed the polio vaccine, which I'm not against, but I didn't know that they had potential downsides. And that's one of the reasons I was, like, a little slow to want to. But anyway, what would you do? So it sounds like you're not, like, against vaccines, but you. From what you just said, the system around vaccines does not put patient safety at the forefront of concern.
[81:24]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right.
[81:25]
Tucker Carlson
So how would you change that?
[81:27]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Well, remove their liability protection, require them go through.
[81:31]
Tucker Carlson
Do you have liability protection?
[81:32]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Do I. Yeah. No. No, I don't, actually.
[81:36]
Tucker Carlson
I don't either. You know, we need that.
[81:41]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, yeah, it'd be nice. You just can't sue me.
[81:45]
Tucker Carlson
I'm such a good person. What I do is so important to the Commonwealth that you literally can't sue me.
[81:51]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Exactly. That would be great.
[81:53]
Tucker Carlson
Sorry. Excuse me.
[81:55]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, so, I mean, just make them go through the process. Any other product has to go through. It's not very complicated.
[82:02]
Tucker Carlson
So that. That's the first thing you do.
[82:04]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah.
[82:06]
Tucker Carlson
Why isn't that happening?
[82:08]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Apparently when. When this. It was in 1986, when Reagan put the act in place, I guess there were two companies that almost got. Just decimated financially because of all the. The kickback, the lawsuits. That should have been a warning sign.
[82:27]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah. I mean, I obviously hate lawyers. I've never sued anybody. I don't think I ever will. I really hate lawyers quite as much as doctors, but in that range. Okay, so I'm against lawsuits, too. I get it. I totally get it. Some of the tort awards are insane and all of that stuff. But I also think it's fair if someone keeps getting sued for the same thing. Like if I get a sexual harassment suit for political reasons, if I get eight of them.
[82:56]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Right.
[82:58]
Tucker Carlson
Like, maybe I'm groping people. Right.
[83:02]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah.
[83:03]
Tucker Carlson
Is that's fair?
[83:04]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yeah, that's fair.
[83:05]
Tucker Carlson
As an empiricist you agree with that?
[83:07]
Dr. Peter McCullough
Yes, I am on board with that.
[83:09]
Tucker Carlson
So, last question. What are you going to do now that this is all over? Like, how are you, other than treating patients, how are you, as a formally politically disengaged person, spending your time?
[83:20]
Dr. Peter McCullough
I try to get away from it all as much as I can. And that's what I would advise anybody is just find something, a hobby that gets you away from things and get outside as much as you can. I probably, you know, my. I'm probably going to slow down my practice a little bit just to give myself some breathing room, and I still have four boys in high school, so. But I will continue to speak out. And I may. I may do a podcast. I may. I don't know. I don't know what I'm going to do. But the fight's not over.
[83:55]
Tucker Carlson
Thank you, doctor. I really appreciate it. That was great. We want to thank you for watching us on Spotify, a company that we use every day. We know the people who run it, good people. While you. While you're here, do us a favor. Hit, follow and tap the bell so you never miss an episode. We have real conversations, news things that actually matter. Telling the truth, always. You will not miss it if you follow us on Spotify and hit the bell. We appreciate it. Thanks for watching.