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Everything You Need to Know About the Minnesota Assassinations and Tim Walz Destroying His State
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Tucker Carlson
Five years ago this summer, George Floyd, a convicted felon, OD'd on fentanyl outside a convenience store in Minneapolis, and the country changed forever. Five years later, Tim Walls is still the governor. Keith Ellison is still the attorney general. The cops who were falsely convicted of murdering George Floyd are mostly still in prison. But what happened in Minneapolis itself, well, it's been wrecked, and no one has said a word about it. Liz Collin is one of the only journalists remaining in the state of Minnesota, and she gives us an update on the aftermath of the George Floyd revolution. Liz, thank you. Media's died across the country. Newspapers are going out of business. They're useless. Local news, basically gone. And the hope was always that there would be report, responsible people who cared about facts, reporting what's happening at the state level and in cities and in most places. That's not true, but it is true in Minnesota, thanks to you. So I'm just. I'm grateful that you're filling that void because we need to know what's happening. I want to start by. Because I think you're an expert on what is the truth about the assassinations in your state of a couple Democratic lawmakers. Who's the guy who. What is that? There's lying around it. What's the truth?
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Liz Collin
Yeah, sadly, the chaos really continues in Minnesota. Appreciate you having me on and thank you for your kind words about our reporting that we do over at Alpha News. But this all starts on a Saturday. It's Saturday, June 14th. Two in the morning, and this shooting spree begins. Vance Belter is the man who is charged now with the assassination of Melissa Hortman and her husband, Mark. But what we know is that he first arrives at Senator John Hoffman's home, the home he shares with his wife, Yvette. Their adult daughter happens to be in town during this. And Belter is dressed as a police officer. He. He's wearing also a latex mask. He has a flashlight. Arrives at their door saying, police, open up. He's shouting. It's very chaotic. And basically this is.
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Tucker Carlson
This is two in the morning.
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Liz Collin
Two in the morning. They open their door to him, and he starts shooting. From what we understand, Senator Hoffman is hit multiple times. His wife hit multiple times. His daughter heroically calls 911, tells the police it's Senator Hoffman that's been shot. And this, in a way, I think, sends a message to the rest of the surrounding agencies that this could have something to do with legislators or perhaps people are being targeted to look for this person. Obviously, we know now that Belter stops at two more homes. People who are not home, legislators that are not home. At one point, he encounters a police officer in New Hope. That officer actually approaches his vehicle. He is in a vehicle that looks like a squad car, an SUV squad car. Goes so far as to outfit it with police lettering. Actually on the license plate. It says police on the license plate, you know, a light bar. All the things you would look for in a squad. This New Hope officer rolls up next to him. He is looking straight ahead and does not acknowledge the officer at all. She then rolls her window up and continues on to this lawmaker's home. So there's some questions about how was he not apprehended in that moment. This is when he then continues to the former House Speaker, DFL House Speaker Melissa Hortman's home. And at this point, the police catch up to him. The Brooklyn Park Police Department, they are doing welfare check basically on the Hortman home, saying she doesn't live that far away. We should go to the speaker emerita, Melissa Hortman's home. And they get there. Shots ring out. But from what we understand between the police and Belter, somehow Belter still gets inside the Hortman home. Mark is killed. And then they find Melissa's body inside the home as well later on.
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Tucker Carlson
So the police are there for the shooting.
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Liz Collin
They are.
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Tucker Carlson
So how did he get away?
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Liz Collin
Still a lot of questions about that. Like what?
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Tucker Carlson
I didn't. I'm sorry, I didn't know that. I didn't get that.
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Liz Collin
He goes out a back door, from what we understand, escapes on foot because he leaves his police cruiser there on scene. This is where they find out it's Dan Spelter. He has utility bills in this vehicle, things that all trace back to him. And he gets back to an address that mysteriously he'd been renting for the last couple years. It's very strange. He shared his home with his wife and five children in Green Isle, Minnesota, which is about an hour outside of Minneapolis. But yet he was renting this room in Minneapolis where he would stay two or three nights a week, from what we understand from the neighbors. And he'd show up at sometimes midnight, leave at 4 or 5 in the morning. Um, we've been able to. To look a lot at his social media and what he's put out there. He was working at some funeral homes, we understand, and would keep these strange hours. But neighbors actually thought he was a detective. That's what they thought of him. They thought it was strange that this guy would Just show up a couple.
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Tucker Carlson
Times a week looking at funeral homes.
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Liz Collin
Right, that's what he said. That he was doing kind of some just disposal of. Of bodies. He would talk about openly in a little college course that we found a Cl. But what's interesting is he ended his employment from what we understand from these funeral homes, himself. Just more recently, it seems that there's perhaps some financial trouble.
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Tucker Carlson
Before we get into him, can you just play out the rest of the timeline? So he escapes through the back door. Somehow. The police are there when he shoots these two people to death, but they don't get him. He winds up where and how long does it take for them to. To find him?
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Liz Collin
So he goes back to this Minneapolis address.
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Tucker Carlson
How far is that from the scene?
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Liz Collin
It's a walk. I mean, it's going to take a little while to get there. Definitely five, ten miles or so to that address. And we have this all on surveillance camera. We've been able to get some surveillance video from the neighbors who could see his last movements. He's moving around some of his police cars. At one point, a bike appears out of the shed. It's all very strange, but then he walks to a nearby bus stop. And again, according to the charges document, this is where he meets a stranger. He wants to buy an E bike off of this guy, who then offers and says, I actually have a car for sale too. It breaks down a bit, but he buys the E bike and this black Buick from this stranger at the bus stop for $900. This man actually drives him to the bank where he empties his $2,200 he has in his bank account. This is when the FBI releases surveillance video of him wearing a cowboy hat. This is the last picture, basically the picture they're releasing to the public to find this guy that morning. But this then leads to the largest manhunt in Minnesota history to find him. He ends up, we know now, he'd been texting his wife. He said something along the lines of, dad went to war last night. And also something about not wanting the kids to be on the property because there's going to be some people that are trigger happy that could be there soon. So that seemed to be an indication he was going back.
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Tucker Carlson
He calls himself dad in his text with his wife.
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Liz Collin
Right?
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah. That's freaky.
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Liz Collin
Yeah. And then it sounds like he went back to that address to get money. There was a large amount of money that was left at the. The home. Ultimately, though, the one that he was renting, the actual home that he Shared with his wife and children in Green Isle. So he drives back there and then.
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Tucker Carlson
Where does he go?
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Liz Collin
He's actually found in a field not far from that home at all. At this point, police had set up around his home. It was pretty obvious he wasn't going to be getting into his house to get this cash. His wife at one point is pulled over shortly after she leaves the property and she's found a couple hours from their home with guns, their passports, and about $10,000 in cash in their vehicle. Uh, three children are with her. Some of them are. A couple of them are older, older kids. And it, it turns out from some of the reporting that's been done now, they, you know, called themselves preppers. They had kind of a plan. Um, it's unclear if the wife was new of what he, he did. Um, she's been charged. She has not been charged. Correct.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, this is a weirder story than I realized. Okay, so who is he? What do we know about the man who has been charged with these murders?
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Liz Collin
Yeah, this is what's interesting. He grew up in a small town in Minnesota in Sleepy Eye. His dad was a standout baseball star, a long time. Baseball. Sleepy Eye is the name of the Sleepy Eye, Minnesota. Yes.
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Tucker Carlson
So great. I love this country.
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Liz Collin
And a lot of people have described him to us as a devout Christian. I don't think you're a Christian if you're capable of this. Clearly. It's interesting how the media, you see this happening with this story, automatically takes their corners. You have some friend of his that says he's a Trump supporter. So this is how the story is painted, that this lunatic Trump supporter goes on this rampage. But there's clearly so much more to this. And that's what bothers me with the media. Nobody's willing to really ask these questions.
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Tucker Carlson
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Liz Collin
So he has also a hit list in his vehicle, literally called a hit list. A handwritten hit list on it. It does. And there are 60 names of.
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Tucker Carlson
In case he's worried that he might forget what the list is.
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Liz Collin
There's all kinds of notebooks with all kinds of things in them. From what we understand. We did this hit list that went out to law enforcement because obviously they were protecting all of these legislators, trying to figure out where this guy was, because this manhunt goes on for 43 hours before he just surrenders in a field, puts his hands up in the air and basically walks toward law enforcement and says, I'm Vance Belter. But this hit list, these are all Democrats on the list. There's a couple abortion clinics, Planned Parenthoods that are on there. So people have said this is some sort of pro life thing. But also, interestingly enough, he has a confession letter. This is what I would call it. It's a letter made out to the FBI, to Kash Patel that says that Governor Tim Walz made him do this. He says that he made him do it because he wanted Senator Amy Klobuchar to be killed and Walls then to take that Senate seat, which, again, makes no sense to any sane person. But these are all part of the pieces.
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Tucker Carlson
That was Amy Klobuchar on the list.
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Liz Collin
What's interesting is Walls is not on the list. Klobuchar is on the list. There's somebody who has passed away that's on the list. Some people who are not holding office anymore that are on the list. So the list is a little. A little strange in and of itself.
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Tucker Carlson
What did he spend his life doing? Like, what's his history? This guy's in his 50s.
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Liz Collin
57.
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Tucker Carlson
Not a typical profile. No, it's of a serial killer.
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Liz Collin
Right. That's where it seems that there seems to be some financial issues. We know that he spent some time in the Congo. He talks about that in Congo. Yes.
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Tucker Carlson
A lot of people from Sleepy Eye, Minnesota are just kind of Hanging in the Congo.
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Liz Collin
Right. He was doing some mission trips. Mission trips there. But there are also some nonprofits that he would start, but they had no customer base. There was a couple security businesses that didn't have actual customers. His wife was listed on a website linked to a security business. We know of this funeral homework that was going on.
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Tucker Carlson
Did he have a career? I mean, did he spend.
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Liz Collin
He was in the. Again, according to his LinkedIn profile that is now down, but did decades in the food service industry. He was a general manager at a 711 that was listed as well. But from my law enforcement sources, it sounds like just a lot of this was just made up. Almost like there was this double life that was being lived.
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Tucker Carlson
But at some point, he moves out part time from his wife and five children to live in an apartment with a roommate. I mean, what is that the way.
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Liz Collin
His roommate described it, he was working at these funeral homes and would keep kind of odd hours. And so Minneapolis would be closer to where these would be located. But what's interesting is even in his last movements that have been tracked by the neighbors, everybody has these great security cameras nowadays and they're kind of doing the detective work themselves over in that neighborhood as well. But you can see him coming in with some plastic bags. We know now he'd bought some supplies at Fleet Farm just leading up to these attacks. He's walking out with his notepads. From what law enforcement has said. He was doing a lot of writing, a lot of ramblings as they described them. At first they said there was this manifesto. They've kind of backed off on that and said it's more of this hit list. Nothing that seems to really make much sense as far as a motive is concerned at this point. But for some reason, he did surrender to law enforcement. And it seems in a way, he wants to tell his story.
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Tucker Carlson
Wow. Is there any evidence that he had contact with law enforcement before this at any level?
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Liz Collin
Actually, no. No criminal record, nothing.
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Tucker Carlson
Did he have any connection to the government at all that we know of?
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Liz Collin
Well, this is what's interesting also. In that confession letter, he talks about he is trained by the military. He says that he's. And this is what was on the website as well, that he did security in Eastern Europe, Africa and the Middle east, it says on his website. But at this point, just still so many questions about what is actually even true.
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Tucker Carlson
What do you think?
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Liz Collin
You know, it's been difficult because in Minnesota you just keep saying that these kind of things don't happen and then they do and so much of this has happened. We've kind of been dubbed this capital of chaos these last five or six years and it's pretty disheartening. You try to approach everything as a reporter and gather as many facts but you're like how have we now come to report on political assassinations in Minnesota?
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, I'm not surprised given what's happened in the last five years. But I just wonder about this story in particular. Did he have contact with Walls? Do we know that Walls ever, as Walls said, I met this guy ever.
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Liz Collin
Well this is what's interesting. We know that he served on a board appointed by Walls. However, I'll say that.
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Tucker Carlson
What kind of board was that?
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Liz Collin
It was a workforce development board. They have I think more than a hundred of these boards in Minnesota. Most of them are voluntary boards. So he was appointed by Governor Mark Dayton, a Democrat and reappointed by Walz. That expired in 2023. So it is unclear if they ever knew each other. They were on the interesting. Senator Hoffman and Vance Belter were on the same board together. So you would think that they somehow knew each other.
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Tucker Carlson
How did a 711 manager slash mortuary remains disposal guy wind up on a governor appointed board in the state?
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Liz Collin
Also a good question.
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Tucker Carlson
It's a little weird, right?
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Liz Collin
Yeah, yeah. There's just so many, so many things in his background that don't seem to make much sense. And also just he had several properties in his name, seven cars. He's asking for a public defender because he has no money. He just paid more than $500,000 for his home in Green Isle a couple of years ago.
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Tucker Carlson
What.
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Liz Collin
So where's the money coming from? I think there were questions about, about.
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Tucker Carlson
That as well from the body disposal business, like how much does. And this guy is renting an apartment to take a job hours from his $500,000 home. That cannot be a high paying job. I don't, I don't know what mortuary is pay to dispose of bodies, but it can't be a lot.
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Liz Collin
Yeah, law enforcement seems to think that he'd been plotting, you know, something for a long time. What was the final, you know, I don't know.
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Tucker Carlson
Okay, so nothing about this makes sense at all.
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Liz Collin
Correct.
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Tucker Carlson
So there's been a ton of speculation that he like a number of other people, high profile murderers in the last 50 years may have been like not at all what he seemed to be. This is like some sort of operation designed to discredit, you know, the enemies of the people who designed it. Do you think there's any. I mean, is it worth pulling on those threads?
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Liz Collin
Oh, I think it's worth it. And that's what we've been. Been doing. It just seems that, you know, even talking to profilers through this, they really, maybe there is something more because none of this actually makes sense or adds up to become that radicalized, you know, what actually. What actually happened. But it's a story, you know, we're obviously staying on and yeah, maybe we'll.
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Tucker Carlson
Wind up like the Vegas shooting where doesn't make sense at all and no one wants to talk about it and we just kind of forget about it. You know, biggest mass shooting in American history that, like, no one mentions ever. But clearly it's not.
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Liz Collin
And you already seen that with the media in Minnesota. It's okay. He's a Trump supporter. We. This is why he did it. And that's it. I mean, it's just absolutely insane what has happened to the media. No curiosity, no common sense. It's really disgusting. And no wonder the public is not informed, especially in Minnesota.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah. And this story is just inherently bizarre. So you're from the state, you've worked in media there. You were one of the highest rated anchors in the state. You've made a couple references to the media. It might be worth reminding people what happened. If you could just give us a short tour of your work history. How did you lose your job in television in Minnesota?
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Liz Collin
Yeah, so I worked at wcco. Longtime anchor and investigative reporter there. My family was caught up in the George Floyd fallout. My husband long time.
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Tucker Carlson
You murdered George Floyd?
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Liz Collin
No, I did not.
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Tucker Carlson
Okay, good.
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Liz Collin
Despite what the media may tell you. But they. Yeah, so many people were canceled in the wake of all of that, and I was one of them. My husband, longtime Minneapolis police officer, he was serving as the union president at the time. He came out with a few sentences that basically said, we'd like the body camera footage. We're awaiting that. Let's not rush to judgment with all of this. And we're backing these police officers until we know more. He did what a union president, I think probably is supposed to do.
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Tucker Carlson
I hope any American citizen would take that same position. We're not going to send people to prison unless we know they're guilty.
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Liz Collin
And then it was just like that.
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Liz Collin
When he said that he had to lose his job, I had to lose my job.
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Tucker Carlson
He lost his job for that, the.
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Liz Collin
Mob came after us. I mean, he had been planning at that point to retire around this time anyway, but yeah, the mob came out in full attack. I never anchored a newscast at WCCO ever again.
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Tucker Carlson
What, what did you have to do with it?
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Liz Collin
I'm still not exactly sure. But that's. Fear is a powerful thing, I think, especially in, in Minnesota.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, let's. Let's unpack this. Okay. So your husband had to leave after 32 years as a police officer because he said, let's wait for the evidence before deciding, okay, I can see that happening in the hysteria and the. The race mobs that formed after George Floyd Odeda on Fentanyl. But what do you. How are you. Why would you be punished for that?
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Liz Collin
Yeah, it was ridiculous. I finished out my contract and then eventually left, but I would go.
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Tucker Carlson
But why were you not allowed to do newscasts after?
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Liz Collin
You know, at first I understood that I obviously can't report on this story. There's a conflict of interest, and I never had. I'd never reported on police union issues in Minneapolis. I mean, we've been married for a few years by the time this even happened. But all of a sudden, it became like we were in this hidden marriage. As if I was supposed to start every newscast by talking about who my husband is. I mean, can you imagine in this world why this even matters? But then it appeared. My name started appearing. You know, every story that I did, no matter what it would be. And just a reminder, Liz Collin is married to Bob Kroll. I mean, literally, this would be printed in stories on the. On our website. And I was like, this is. You know, this is just completely, absolutely insane.
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Tucker Carlson
Wait, your employer put that.
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Liz Collin
Yes. It was this disclaimer because they felt like they needed to. You know, the public needed to know this because of everything that had transpired.
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Tucker Carlson
So the station.
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Liz Collin
Correct.
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Tucker Carlson
Without asking, you kept doing this.
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Liz Collin
Right. This is a CBS station. I mean, I don't think. I think you can watch any CBS station and realize what is going on at those places. Cbs?
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, it was an owned and operated.
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Liz Collin
Yes.
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Tucker Carlson
Okay, so how did they tell you you're no longer allowed to do your job because of who your husband is?
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Liz Collin
Well, at first, it just drags on for weeks. Weeks turn to months and.
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Tucker Carlson
But they pulled you off the air.
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Liz Collin
Yes, I. I was still allowed to report on a few things, but I was no longer allowed to report on state government, city government, anything to do with policing. I would have to get permission before I would even be able to call someone in law enforcement. I mean, this has been my career. I mean, I have a lot of good sources, and I've reported on a lot of these issues long before I was even married to Bob. But all of a sudden, everything became an issue. And I will say that my husband appeared on stage with President Trump. This was back in 2019 when he was running for reelection, and that really became an issue with the station as well.
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Tucker Carlson
That your husband liked Trump.
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Liz Collin
Correct?
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah. You can't can't have an anchor's husband likes Trump. Right, Right. Okay. Yeah. It's a really sick country. Wow. So then you said the mob came. What does that mean?
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Liz Collin
It really just means the mob came. They.
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Tucker Carlson
Very literal. Okay.
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Liz Collin
They showed up to the station, they held a. They held protest demanding that I be.
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Tucker Carlson
Fired for being married to a cop.
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Liz Collin
Right? Yes. And then they showed up at our home four different times we had protests that summer of 2020.
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Tucker Carlson
At home.
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Liz Collin
Yes. One sponsored by Black Lives Matter. They showed up with pinata effigies of myself and my husband and beat us in our driveway.
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Tucker Carlson
Welcome to South Africa. That's crazy.
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Liz Collin
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
And you had a child at home?
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Liz Collin
We were not home that. That weekend, but yes. My. Actually, my child discovered this on YouTube years after it happened. I thought I would keep it from him, but you can't do that, I guess, in this digital world we live in.
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Tucker Carlson
Did you shoot them?
- [30:57]
Liz Collin
Well, I think that's why I made sure my husband left town.
- [31:00]
Tucker Carlson
No, I mean, yeah, that. That's such a threatening act. I'm against shooting people in general, but I think I would shoot someone who did that just because I would feel so threatened. I mean, your home.
- [31:10]
Liz Collin
Yeah. I've never felt so violated before. I consider myself a pretty strong person, but it took me even a long time to even walk in the front lawn again. Just thinking, they took a knee around our flag, our American flag. If you were black, you were allowed to kneel in our front yard. And if you're white, you had to look on as they were shouting. I mean, they literally brought a bullhorn. They were shouting swear words at our neighborhood kids, threatening to burn the city down where we lived, and no one shot them.
- [31:41]
Tucker Carlson
It's so weird how passive people are. Like, you couldn't get away with that. 50 years ago. You couldn't do that.
- [31:46]
Liz Collin
Many cities have now passed ordinances in Minnesota saying, if you don't pull a permit to protest, we're going to arrest all of you because nobody was arrested. Nothing happened that day.
- [31:57]
Tucker Carlson
And your husband was a cop and his fellow cops didn't. Nobody did anything.
- [32:02]
Liz Collin
Well, they wanted to show up also. But, you know, we also have to recognize with these groups, this is what they want. They want confrontation, they want lawsuits. This is what they want.
- [32:15]
Tucker Carlson
Maybe if someone smacked them in the face once in a while, they'd be a little more respectful. I mean, I just think if you allow that kind of behavior, you're going to get more of it. Right.
- [32:22]
Liz Collin
Well, and I actually think this is what has happened in Minnesota. These political disagreements have turned into these political attacks and people have allowed this to happen.
- [32:30]
Tucker Carlson
Well, I completely agree. It's passive. Scandinavians, I know them well. I hate them. Sorry, excuse me. I'm one of them. You are one of them. No, I know, but I can say that my life. But yeah, yeah, they're totally passive and self hating and you know, rape my wife. I mean they're really. It's a sickness in their brains, but it's. That's just so sad. So. And they came back more than once, this mom.
- [32:51]
Liz Collin
Yeah, this was the largest. I mean it was more than 100 people paid. People paid to, you know, to be there that, that day. They had lunch provided. I mean, this is just completely insane.
- [33:01]
Tucker Carlson
Who do you think paper.
- [33:02]
Liz Collin
Well, Black Lives Matter was involved. You could. And this is what I thought was interesting as a reporter. So keep in mind, I was still working at WCCO at the time, but I called my news director and I said, the man leading this protest, he's running to be a state rep and he's endorsed by Walls and the Democratic Party. I think that we should probably cover this.
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Tucker Carlson
Did a story on this.
- [33:24]
Liz Collin
Yes, I'm sorry, I saw the protest on.
- [33:27]
Tucker Carlson
This is all coming back.
- [33:29]
Liz Collin
Yes.
- [33:31]
Tucker Carlson
Was that guy elected state rep?
- [33:32]
Liz Collin
He was elected. And I called my news director and I said, I think this is newsworthy. You will not even believe what happened. And I was told that he was.
- [33:39]
Tucker Carlson
A racist too, that guy.
- [33:40]
Liz Collin
Yes. But I was told that that phone call showed my bias. How dare I. How dare I think that that's a news story. You're so biased.
- [33:50]
Tucker Carlson
They said that to you at the station.
- [33:52]
Liz Collin
And so it would be days before they actually even reported on the. On the protest before they had no choice but to.
- [33:57]
Tucker Carlson
At their own employee's house.
- [33:58]
Liz Collin
Correct.
- [33:59]
Tucker Carlson
A guy running for state House saying racist, anti white things. I remember this now. Wow. I totally forgot this. That was you?
- [34:06]
Liz Collin
That was me.
- [34:07]
Tucker Carlson
I'm so sorry. It's so hateful. So how long were you at the station after that?
- [34:14]
Liz Collin
So I finished my contract a couple of years. Not. Not even quite. And then I had kind of as a therapy worked on my book called They're Lying. The Media, the Left and the Death of George Floyd, which is a bit about my personal story and so much of the truth that just never stood a chance with all of this. And I left. I went into independent media. I didn't want to lie anymore. I was disgusted with what the media had turned into.
- [34:44]
Tucker Carlson
How long were you at the station?
- [34:46]
Liz Collin
Nearly 14 years. Wow.
- [34:49]
Tucker Carlson
So what about all the people you, when you work in a place you like, you know, you know, your supervisor, you know, all the vice presidents and the station manager, the HR people. Did, did anyone ever say, gosh, we're really mistreating you, we're Sorry, been here 14 years and we're anyone. Was any human?
- [35:07]
Liz Collin
Yeah, I think touch.
- [35:08]
Tucker Carlson
At all.
- [35:09]
Liz Collin
Yeah. I still have, you know, still have some friends, but I think that's really in life where they knew the professional I was, they knew the, the work that I had done and, and that hurt, you know, for the, the people that, you know, I kind of needed to stick up for me in that moment. And they, and they didn't. But it's also a bit of a relief knowing that that's why when I left I, I was ready. I was, you know, I knew that I could. It was time to listen to that little voice inside of me and I'd been praying about it for a long time and, and just knew that there were things that I really had had to do.
- [35:49]
Tucker Carlson
It was a matter of station goes bankrupt. Is it still there?
- [35:53]
Liz Collin
I don't think they're doing so well, but I think that's local media in, in general.
- [35:57]
Tucker Carlson
Since we launched alb, we've had four flavors. But we are proud to announce ALP has a brand new flavor, one of several will be rolling out over the next year or so. And it is Sweet Nectar. I have personally tested this product two at a time and it's excellent Sweet nectar. The new flavor out from ALP, really, really good. Go to alppouch.com you can order it in bulk by the palate if you want. I have strongly recommended Sweet Nectar and stay tuned for Morning Flav. But to abandon your longtime employee because the mob demands it is like maybe the lowest thing I can think of.
- [36:44]
Liz Collin
You know, it was crazy because I grew up watching that station. I mean literally, it was the dream job when I finally landed it when I worked in all these crappy markets, lived in crappy places. But I loved the news because I always felt like I'm just going to do whatever it takes to get back home to be able to broadcast, you know, my hometown and whatnot. As goofy as that sounds.
- [37:08]
Tucker Carlson
Doesn't sound goofy. It sounds great.
- [37:09]
Liz Collin
But actually and then happened and just kind of. But you know, it's not even, even before George Floyd, you could see what the media was, was turning into. And that really bothered me on a moral and ethical level more than what were they turning into. Just not so much what we would tell the public anymore. But what we would not. How we would craft a story. I talk a lot about this in, in the book, but there were mandates after George Floyd that half of the people we interviewed had to be non white or from a protected class.
- [37:44]
Tucker Carlson
In the wake of where did those mandates come from?
- [37:47]
Liz Collin
From what I understand CBS News, you could not use the term riots at all in your reporting actually. Right. Just the way we would control the language and show stories correct.
- [38:00]
Tucker Carlson
Boy, I can't. When they do go bankrupt, will you text me just so I can celebrate? I really hope that they go under soon. That's so dishonest.
- [38:08]
Liz Collin
Yeah. And it hasn't. It's actually only gotten worse, I think with a lot of things that have. That have transpired. But again I'm. I feel blessed to, to be on the other side. Perhaps you can relate.
- [38:20]
Tucker Carlson
You're a positive person. It's just. I think it's important to know because the net effect was the death of a lot of people. The total destruction of a great American city. It was just pure evil. In the end, black people didn't benefit, white people didn't. I mean no one benefited really. And it just bothers me that it's been memory hold and that no one responsible for the killing and the destruction has ever been held accountable since you wrote a book on it and it's been five years. Can we just assess what the, what was the George Floyd thing? Do you think? Having looked into it more than maybe any other person, like what's, what's your. Like how did, how did George Floyd die? What was that? How did. Why did that instantly become a revolution that wrecked my country? And like what was that?
- [39:14]
Liz Collin
You could definitely tell. I mean Minnesota, we really had the perfect players in place again. We have Governor Tim Walz, we have Attorney General Keith Ellison, Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry. This was an election year that had so much to do with it. And you could see these things were happening around the country just looking to spark chaos. And in Minneapolis they had the recipe and I saw the manipulation day one. They were not. They did not release the body camera videos.
- [39:48]
Tucker Carlson
Can I say it's a. It was one of the whitest cities in America along with Portland and Seattle.
- [39:53]
Liz Collin
That's true. Yes. Primarily, yes.
- [39:55]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah. So that is another factor. It's the, you know, this didn't happen in Miami because the Hispanics don't hate themselves, but the whites do. This is just my editorializing. It's just the demographics played a role in this. It was the, it was the whitest Cities that went the craziest.
- [40:08]
Liz Collin
But you have this as they frame it, this white police officer, you know, kneeling on the neck of a black man. The optics were there. However, the body camera video shows a much different story. And if they would have released this, I just don't even think we'd be here having this.
- [40:25]
Tucker Carlson
But is there any evidence that George Floyd was suffocated by Derek Chauvin?
- [40:31]
Liz Collin
No. There is much more evidence to support that. That, in fact, had nothing to do with it. You have George Floyd talking about how he can't breathe before Derek Chauvin arrives on scene. You have a black police officer who arrested George Floyd and Alex King who was on the job for three days off of his field training. Nobody talks about Alex King. Nobody knows him. He just got out of prison.
- [40:52]
Tucker Carlson
He went to prison.
- [40:52]
Liz Collin
He's one of the four police officers put in prison, but nobody knows about. They think this is just a white cop, black suspect.
- [41:02]
Tucker Carlson
I didn't know that.
- [41:03]
Liz Collin
And this is the story the media told, and it's disgusting.
- [41:06]
Tucker Carlson
The bottom line, is there actual evidence that Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd?
- [41:13]
Liz Collin
I would say the answer is no. There's no strangulation marks. There's no bruising on his neck. Why didn't they release the autopsy, which was done within 12 hours of him dying, to the public, that showed all of this? He had an enlarged heart. He died of a heart attack. The first words on his autopsy are just that. Cardiopulmonary arrest is his cause of death.
- [41:38]
Tucker Carlson
He did not die of suffocation.
- [41:39]
Liz Collin
No.
- [41:42]
Tucker Carlson
So why is Derek Chauvin still in jail? Why did Officer King go to jail? Is there anyone else in jail for this still?
- [41:48]
Liz Collin
Thomas Lane was released also, and Tutao was still in prison. Tuta was given an extra year on his sentence because the judge in this case, Judge Peter Cahill, did not like how he was reciting Bible verses during his sentencing and gave him an extra year.
- [42:09]
Tucker Carlson
But the real threat is Iran.
- [42:13]
Liz Collin
What? Okay.
- [42:15]
Tucker Carlson
Wow, that's so offensive. It's hard. You still live there?
- [42:19]
Liz Collin
I do, yeah.
- [42:22]
Tucker Carlson
So how did. If. If there's no evidence that he murdered George Floyd, why was I at Fox scolded for saying that he didn't murder George Floyd, which I was, by the way. I said George Floyd seemed like he died of a drug o. Because that's what the autopsy seemed to say. Why is that not widely known? Why does nobody. Even now, five years later, people have to be like, oh, he was killed by a white. And all these. Try not to use The F word. But all these Republican office holders are like, no, he was murdered by a. You know what I mean? Wake up.
- [42:51]
Liz Collin
Yeah, I hear it.
- [42:52]
Tucker Carlson
It's not true.
- [42:54]
Liz Collin
Yeah, it isn't. And there's. There's a reason race never even came up in Derek Chauvin's trial. There's no evidence of race having anything to do with anything. And that's why I put the book out. And it was released in 2022, right before I wanted it out before the election for Walls and Ellison. Sadly, it didn't work. But then it led to the documentary called the Fall of Minneapolis. And we tried to really bring out the truth that nobody heard in this case, in that documentary. And more than 10 million people have seen it all around the world, which is amazing, considering it was just kind of this little documentary. But it also. I think prov. The truth still matters. I just wish somebody would do something about it.
- [43:39]
Tucker Carlson
So is this. Is there anyone else in Minneapolis saying this?
- [43:45]
Liz Collin
No, it's actually interesting. They then paint me, of course, I'm a right wing conspiracy theorist. That's how I'm referred to. I'm just a crazy person for bringing out these facts. I mean, again, I think it's 237 citations I have in my book. This is all. I'm a journalist. This is what I've done for 20 years.
- [44:02]
Tucker Carlson
But what's the counter argument is Waco. Okay, so everyone stands up. Nikki Haley and Jeb Bush and all, you know, all these people, probably the majority of the Republican senators who were serving five years ago said this, you know, black man murdered by a white cop. What evidence are they pointing to to. To prove that? And how did he get convicted of it?
- [44:27]
Liz Collin
Well, the trial in and of itself is really quite something. You have the police training, the maximal restraint technique that the officers were using that day. That was not allowed in trial. Judge Cahill did not allow that in Chauvin's trial.
- [44:42]
Tucker Carlson
Can you explain what that is?
- [44:43]
Liz Collin
So, interestingly enough, these two pages of the manual go offline two days after the incident. They disappear, the mrt. And you can hear in the body camera footage, which again, the public is not allowed to see until many months later. And to this day, most people have never taken the time to watch the video, of course. And the officers are talking about the mrt. Thomas Lane says, let's just mre. He means mrt. They all are working together in this moment, knowing what the MRT is. Why then do you have the mayor? He comes out about 24 hours later and Says, and by the way, this is a technique not trained by the mpd.
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Tucker Carlson
This is Jacob Fry.
- [45:32]
Liz Collin
Correct.
- [45:32]
Tucker Carlson
Who is he? Is he from Minneapolis?
- [45:35]
Liz Collin
No, from Virginia. He was brought to Minneapolis to run for city council. And then by whom? The mayor? Good question.
- [45:43]
Tucker Carlson
He has nothing to do with Minneapolis at all. And he winds up becoming mayor and.
- [45:48]
Liz Collin
In many ways destroying Minneapolis.
- [45:50]
Tucker Carlson
Is he still there?
- [45:51]
Liz Collin
He's still there.
- [45:52]
Tucker Carlson
Is he still the mayor?
- [45:53]
Liz Collin
He's still the mayor.
- [45:55]
Tucker Carlson
Why isn't he in prison?
- [45:58]
Liz Collin
You know, I have gone to him for more interview requests at this point than I can count. At one point. I just started chasing him around one morning to try to get him to answer questions. It's kind of funny that somebody would be literally running away from me, but that's what he did. But I just. My question is, why are you lying? Why have you been lying about all this? Because we saw this. Again, this five years later. These stories are just so over the top and nobody is telling the truth about it. Even five years later. It's almost. If you just continue to repeat this lie, you know, enough people don't believe it.
- [46:29]
Tucker Carlson
The mayor, Jacob Fry, who's not from Minneapolis, was sort of brought in and somehow becomes mayor and then wrecks the city that he's not from. Didn't build. He says in public, shortly after the death that the restraint technique the police officers used on George Floyd was not taught to them.
- [46:48]
Liz Collin
Correct.
- [46:49]
Tucker Carlson
And that's not true.
- [46:51]
Liz Collin
Yeah. These pages go missing of the manual.
- [46:54]
Tucker Carlson
Which explained the technique exactly.
- [46:56]
Liz Collin
And I said into my newsroom at the time, this is really quite something. They are trying to cover this up. We should really be doing a story about this. And I'm the crazy person.
- [47:07]
Tucker Carlson
What did they say?
- [47:08]
Liz Collin
It was just like, you have to go along with this narrative. This is the narrative of the moment and we are going to push it on the public. We even had reporters using Black Lives Matter as hashtags in their reporting.
- [47:21]
Tucker Carlson
Not really.
- [47:22]
Liz Collin
Really. And that was allowed. And I said, well, here's their website and this is a political organization. Why would we allow this ever? But again, I'm the. The crazy conservative, I guess, in the newsroom at this point. That was the corner I was cast in and I should just shut up.
- [47:45]
Tucker Carlson
I guess this is why I've forgotten so many of the details, because they're just horrifying. So. So the public doesn't get to know that the restraint technique that the police officers, not just Derek Chauvin, but the other three used against this berserk drug addict, convicted felon that that was a technique that they learned at the police.
- [48:02]
Liz Collin
Academy and that was trained for decades.
- [48:05]
Tucker Carlson
Trained for decades.
- [48:06]
Liz Collin
Yeah. It'd been around for. We found manuals with the MRT in the 90s. I mean, we did a lot of.
- [48:13]
Tucker Carlson
Did they apply it correctly? Did they do what they were taught to do?
- [48:15]
Liz Collin
It's in. It's actually in there to wait, to hold and wait for ems. This is also something else that was never talked about. The ambulance went to the wrong address, which is why there is such a long. Typically, an ambulance would be there in about 90 seconds at the most. There's, you know, a fire station that close. They went to the wrong address. And you see this on the body camera footage that one of the paramedics is almost joking around with Thomas Lane, going, gosh, we didn't know where you guys were. We went to the wrong place. That's why it took us so long. And there's a very problematic EMS response to all of this that isn't. That is also not allowed to be discussed in Chauvin's trial either.
- [48:56]
Tucker Carlson
What's the problematic EMS response?
- [48:58]
Liz Collin
The fact that they go to the wrong address. They also are hooking George Floyd up to get air to breathe. And the machine itself is not plugged in in the ambulance. You know, there has been.
- [49:14]
Tucker Carlson
The machine is not plugged in.
- [49:15]
Liz Collin
Yes. This is all in the documentary.
- [49:19]
Tucker Carlson
Did anyone hit him with Narcan?
- [49:22]
Liz Collin
You know, that's a question I get quite a bit. And this is before, you know, this is more than five years ago at this point, where they didn't even. The officers didn't all have Narcan at that point. This was kind of just the beginnings of all of that. And you also had two officers that were brand new and they were partnered together. And I think you can see even just with their interactions, they understand something is going on with him. He also stuffs some. What you think are drugs in his mouth during their interaction, and they're asking him, what do you want? What did you take? And he's very combative, but they think it's more of a something is going on medically. They try to get him into the squad car. It's George Floyd himself who asks him to be laid on the ground. Many people don't know that he asks to be laid on the ground himself. And this is just this hold that they do. But we quickly find out, again, it's within 12 hours that in his autopsy, you can see that he's been described to us as a ticking time bomb. Sadly, George Floyd, he has this tumor, a paraganglioma, that more testing isn't done on that, and that can lead to, in his hip, a large tumor, and that can lead to death. When people are in that hyped state, which clearly George can see on his.
- [50:42]
Tucker Carlson
Face when you watch the video, that he knows he's dying and he's panicked. Yes, I'll speak for myself and say I really felt for the guy. You can see the terror in his eyes, like he's on his way out. He's not ready for it. You know, God knows where he's going, and he knows. He knows that. And. But it's. It's just obvious from the video that it has nothing to do with how he's being treated by the cops. Like, that's why he's freaking out, because he knows he's dying. Did you feel that watching?
- [51:09]
Liz Collin
Well, I have been a kind of a cops reporter, I guess, for years, but you always know that there's more to this. And also quickly, we learned within those first couple days, he'd been arrested in 2019 by the Minneapolis Police Department. He was the subject of an undercover drug investigation. George Floyd, again, something people had no idea almost exactly a year prior. And. And police have an interaction with him, and he has an overdose. It's almost a carbon copy of the interaction. Don't shoot me. He's very resistant. I can't breathe. Yes. It's all on video. And that's actually how we start. Our document.
- [51:44]
Tucker Carlson
Was that introduced at his trial?
- [51:45]
Liz Collin
In fact, the police say that the police chief says they've never heard of George Floyd before. They have no idea who he is. And that's in shortly after the police chief says that.
- [51:55]
Tucker Carlson
Why would he say that?
- [51:58]
Liz Collin
That's a whole nother. Yeah. The. The police chief at the time is Madeira Arredondo. He's serving in that capacity.
- [52:06]
Tucker Carlson
From Minneapolis.
- [52:07]
Liz Collin
He's from Minneapolis. But many people on the department, they feel that he just sold their entire department out.
- [52:14]
Tucker Carlson
Where is he now looking for a job?
- [52:17]
Liz Collin
I think he's selling a book.
- [52:20]
Tucker Carlson
May he long be unemployed. Is he an ally of Jacob Fry?
- [52:24]
Liz Collin
Yes. I mean, certainly, yes, the mayor and the chief worked alongside each other, but you also have this chief who then makes this all about race. He embraces that also. And again, when it's so clear, the evidence doesn't support that at all. You have a Hmong American officer in Tutu, a black officer in Alex King, and then Thomas Lane and Derek Chauvin, who are white, and they sold this to the public as this is the.
- [52:52]
Tucker Carlson
The face of white supremacy.
- [52:54]
Liz Collin
Yes.
- [52:55]
Tucker Carlson
And all these impulsive preachers got up there and Protestant churches and sold that to their congregations. All these politicians, like basically every leader, every business leader, you know, the entire leadership class of the country pivoted behind this lie. Within 24 hours. Nikki Haley was like, we need Minneapolis to burn down. It'll be an atonement for the sins of white supremacy. I mean, it was like. Never seen anything like it. What was that like? It really felt like this was a play that they had planned for this day.
- [53:32]
Liz Collin
You had Governor Walz saying these same things, fanning again, fanning the flames, withholding the National Guard, encouraging people to basically show up and protest. You had his wife speak on camera about how she left the windows open to the governor's mansion so she could smell the burning tires. Just to really appreciate the, the, the movement and the moment.
- [53:55]
Tucker Carlson
The Winnie Mandela of Minnesota necklacing her enemies. Yeah.
- [54:00]
Liz Collin
Crazy.
- [54:01]
Tucker Carlson
And it, of course, changed the country forever. So. But it did. But the, the response felt coordinated, I guess that's what I'm saying. Was it you.
- [54:14]
Liz Collin
You did. You had planes filled with people coming in shortly after protesting? Planes filled with people. I've spoken to people that work at the airport that have told me about that. People that would just a lot of young kids. We had people at our house who admitted to us that they came from Oregon. They had no idea who we were. They were holding signs in our neighborhood, but they got a free weekend at a hotel. So they came to our, you know, suburban neighborhood to hold a sign in front of our yard.
- [54:43]
Tucker Carlson
Who paid for all this?
- [54:44]
Liz Collin
Well, and that's what's always bothered me as a reporter also. These are all things you can track down. These are all public documents. But yes, these left wing groups, George Soros had a role that's pretty clear. And many of these groups that popped up, Black Lives Matter played a big role in all of this. Again, you follow the money, you follow the power, and that's kind of where the truth usually. Usually.
- [55:12]
Tucker Carlson
And Black Lives Matter got its funding mostly from corporate America, I think.
- [55:16]
Liz Collin
Yes. And many Minnesota corporations, you know, fed. Fed into that. You see some of that going, going away now, thankfully. But you had George Floyd Memorial Field at Target Field, where the Minnesota Twins play.
- [55:30]
Tucker Carlson
Not really.
- [55:31]
Liz Collin
Really. For years.
- [55:32]
Tucker Carlson
The drug addict, porn star, armed robber. They named the field after him. He's the civic hero in Minnesota.
- [55:38]
Liz Collin
They had a banner again, thankfully, that's now been taken down, but.
- [55:42]
Tucker Carlson
But they called it George Floyd Memorial Field.
- [55:44]
Liz Collin
Correct.
- [55:47]
Tucker Carlson
The Episcopal Cathedral In San Francisco, where I was baptized, I visited it shortly after that. And they had a St. George Floyd pennant. You could. You could kind of hang in your house. Little icon.
- [56:02]
Liz Collin
It's crazy. I mean, Even that area, 38th in Chicago, most of the businesses are gone. In fact, talk about irony. The businesses are suing the city of Minneapolis for a lack of police pres. Presence in that area. You've had skyrocketing crime since. The mantra was that we'd be living on the right side of history. This is what we were told over and over again, Whether it be our governor, the mayor, the police chief. This is the right side of history. And I've yet to find anyone who actually thinks that we're living there at the time.
- [56:35]
Tucker Carlson
So the trial, the riots happened. How many people died during the riots, you recall?
- [56:40]
Liz Collin
It's been reported about five or six. But again, do you tie them just to the. The most expensive riots in. In u. S. History. 1500 businesses either damaged or destroyed in. In the wake of them.
- [56:53]
Tucker Carlson
Then the trial happens. Does anybody in Minneapolis in any position of authority or in the media say, hey, wait a second, there's no evidence that these cops killed this guy?
- [57:05]
Liz Collin
Nope.
- [57:06]
Tucker Carlson
Nobody said that.
- [57:07]
Liz Collin
No, My husband, we saw what happened to him, and he just, you know, he's a believer of due process. He's, you know, this is. They obviously had attorneys, but even the attorneys representing these officers were not very vocal in all of this. It's almost like the truth just didn't stand.
- [57:26]
Tucker Carlson
So one of the lessons is, and this is just the ugliest feature of human nature, but if someone or something becomes super unpopular, only an infinitesimally small number of people are brave enough to. To stand up and tell the truth. Like if the. Once the mob forms, almost everybody goes along with it. Was that. Did you know that before this happened?
- [57:49]
Liz Collin
Not on this level, no. I. And that's why I kept speaking up. I kept going, well, hey, there's this, hey, let's do this story. Hey, there's. And then it just became very clear to me, like, this is scary. This is scary. This is what, you know, the world has turned into. This is what the media has turned into.
- [58:06]
Tucker Carlson
This is. They just lynched these guys.
- [58:08]
Liz Collin
Yeah.
- [58:08]
Tucker Carlson
And everyone kind of posed with pictures of the corpse. Like, it's just exactly what you read about in dark times long ago. And it happens in Minneapolis, like the most civilized American city we've ever had. The most polite city in the world.
- [58:23]
Liz Collin
You have the mayor crying at, you know, George Floyd's casket at his funeral. People couldn't gather for Covid. But yet George Floyd had a highly attended funeral and you could protest in a riot. That was encouraged.
- [58:37]
Tucker Carlson
But George Floyd's dead. And I already said I felt sorry for him watching the video because he knew he was dying. And like that's scary, you know, for people who haven't prepared for it, I think. But is there any evidence now that we know more about George Floyd, the man that George Floyd ever did anything to improve our society or help anybody else or did any virtuous or redeeming things ever?
- [58:57]
Liz Collin
No, there's actually been so much that has not been reported about. I mean clearly he was an addict. He struggled as an addict for most of his adult life. He spent most of his adult life in and out of prison. That's documented. But even his he was from St. Louis Park. He didn't even live in Minneapolis. He lived in St. Louis Park, a suburb with his roommates. And his roommates have talked about how his family never even came to gather his personal belongings. They were just left there. His car was still there. I mean like a year later his.
- [59:30]
Tucker Carlson
Family all got rich. Right.
- [59:32]
Liz Collin
They were paid $27 million. During Derek Chauvin's jury selection. They were awarded $27 million. What do you think kind of message that sent to the jury being seated at this time.
- [59:44]
Tucker Carlson
Why did Trump pardoned him?
- [59:46]
Liz Collin
You know, it's a little bit more complicated. There were rumors about that perhaps happening. But then he would be brought back to a state facility where he'd be in can. You know, he'd be in solitary confinement for sure.
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Tucker Carlson
Even if the president pardoned him on.
- [60:01]
Liz Collin
Federal charges, he'd still concurrent state, state sentence. And they've all can't find enough microphones to talk about how they can't wait for that to happen because they would love him to serve every last hour in Minnesota. Of course.
- [60:15]
Tucker Carlson
Why not send the National Guard in and just liberate him with by force. I mean this is like, this is insane that we would allow something like this.
- [60:22]
Liz Collin
Yeah. He has at this point more than 15 years left on his sentence. Federal, they are concurrent sentences. So. Yes. How old is he at this point? He would be. Oh my gosh. That's a. You might have to edit this out.
- [60:39]
Tucker Carlson
He's a middle aged man.
- [60:40]
Liz Collin
Yeah.
- [60:41]
Tucker Carlson
So he'll be an elderly man by the time he gets out.
- [60:43]
Liz Collin
Yeah, I think he'd be in his 60s by the time of his release. Most of his life gone for sure.
- [60:49]
Tucker Carlson
But so back to George Floyd who was so George Floyd spent most of his life in and out of prison. He was a drug addict. He appeared in a porn film. It's too perfect. He was at one point convicted of armed robbery where he stuck a gun in the belly of a pregnant woman. Am I misremembering this, that that's right.
- [61:08]
Liz Collin
He committed a home invasion. It. It doesn't seem to be clear that she was pregnant. But yeah, pretty awful person, I think capable of doing that at all. But he came then to Minneapolis and I know he was fired from a couple of jobs he was working and basically hooking up with people at one job that he had addicts and bringing them back to his home, something that's not allowed. And in fact, in the book I detail, he was the suspect in a couple of rapes in Minnesota where that evidence has mysteriously disappeared.
- [61:49]
Tucker Carlson
What. What does it mean to be a suspect in rapes? Like the police.
- [61:53]
Liz Collin
The police were investigating. He was being accused of rape.
- [62:03]
Tucker Carlson
And this was the hero after whom they named the ballpark.
- [62:08]
Liz Collin
Still shocking to this day. But is this how far we've fallen as a society? What has happened to the moral compass?
- [62:15]
Tucker Carlson
It's not even a fall. It's like it's an attack.
- [62:19]
Liz Collin
Yeah.
- [62:20]
Tucker Carlson
Not by, you know, the population itself, but by its leaders trying to invert virtue and make you worship a rapist. And St. George Floyd, if they can make you worship someone like that, the lowest person in your society, like truly the lowest. Stupid, criminal, violent, selfish addicts are selfish by definition. If that's the hero they can make you worship, then they just flip the society upside down and they destroy it.
- [62:48]
Liz Collin
Governor Walls at one point asked for all public schools kids to be silent for 9 minutes and 29 seconds. The time frame. He did that in a deliberation. Many people I heard from did not.
- [63:06]
Tucker Carlson
But they literally, the public schools were required to worship George Floyd.
- [63:09]
Liz Collin
Correct.
- [63:12]
Tucker Carlson
Okay, a couple of the threads I just want to get to. So you're. I think you're a rigorous, honest person. Do you see any way an honest jury or an honest process could result in the conviction of Chauvin and the other three?
- [63:30]
Liz Collin
No. I mean, if our judicial system is what it says it is, when you're presented with all of the evidence and all of the facts and you take out all of the manipulation, the fear mongering, again, you had even Chauvin's trial. Armed guards are standing by. The Hennepin county courthouse is being patrolled by this militia. In a sense, all these dispensing is put up around the building. The jury is not sequestered for the trial. You have these mobs of people out protesting every day. I don't think anybody in their right mind is going to say, yeah, this guy is innocent, because then I'm going to probably be protested or killed or lose my job or whatever it is. In the fallout, again, I had nothing, really nothing to do with this, and I was demoted and canceled.
- [64:23]
Tucker Carlson
I just don't see how Ted Cruz and the rest can say that Iran is the biggest threat to a country in which things like this are happening. This is the threat, the attack on truth and fairness, decency, the love of people for each other, the cohesiveness of your society, citizenship, virtue, like all of it is, is dying because it's being overwhelmed by evil. And yet you look, you know, your focus is outside the country on some theoretical threat.
- [64:51]
Liz Collin
We wish somebody'd come to Minnesota and save us. Tucker.
- [64:54]
Tucker Carlson
No, but it's just like, look, I'm not saying Iran's not hardly for Iran or for them having a nuclear weapon, but compared to what? Like, this is our country and this happened, and no one's ever apologized. No one's ever been held accountable. The guys who didn't do the crime are still in prison. It's like, it's crazy that this could happen, because fairness really matters. If your society's not fair, it's not worth defending.
- [65:17]
Liz Collin
You know, even speaking to Tutao's family, they are a family of refugees. Both of sets of their parents came to America and they talked about that with.
- [65:26]
Tucker Carlson
It's like they picked their own country.
- [65:27]
Liz Collin
And they said that this is not. Not what we thought America was.
- [65:30]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, okay. I didn't think that either. And I was born here. No, I agree.
- [65:33]
Liz Collin
Yeah.
- [65:34]
Tucker Carlson
Sorry. Sorry for the editorial. The constant editorializing. It's just what you're saying is so. And the way you're saying it, which is like, flat. Just the facts, ma' am. It's driving me insane. I can't. How can you still live there?
- [65:48]
Liz Collin
Job security, Tucker.
- [65:49]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, good point. If you're one of five reporters in the entire state, like, you're. You'll work forever. Amazing. So who is Tim Walls, exactly? Most of us. I just want to say I think he's like, should be investigated by the Sex Crimes Unit. I really feel that way. I. You know, I'm not asking to comment on that, but he's one of the creepiest people I've ever seen. The vibe I get off that guy. I would not let him in my house. That's just my feeling Maybe I'm being totally unfair, in which case I apologize. But you have the facts, I don't. Who is this guy?
- [66:24]
Liz Collin
Yeah, I think so much of this has happened on the watch of Governor Walz. Again, I'm talking about. I've lived in Minnesota for most of my life at this point as a reporter there for 20 years. I have just never. Born there. Born, raised, spent a little time outside of the state and been back for 20 years now. But I've just never seen this kind of. I don't even know if you can call it leadership. I'm not exactly sure. Manipulation by a leader. Again, we've talked about this capital of chaos. This has all been under his watch. But we've done so much reporting over at Alpha News with the truth of this guy. It was interesting to see others finally report about him because the local media will not. When he was picked as the VP candidate for Kamala Harris, but it started sort of with picking up on just these little lies he would tell. And these are things that we would report on. He did not, you know, he never was a command sergeant major, despite the fact him, you know, saying that he was. He never attained this rank in the military. Instead, he abandoned his troops and they were deployed to Iraq without him. And he ran for Congress. So I've always felt as a reporter, if someone lies about little things, they're lying about big things. I think that's just.
- [67:51]
Tucker Carlson
That's a principle that stands the test of time.
- [67:53]
Liz Collin
And you kind of would just see this with little things that he would say. That was just not reality. But Minnesota has become, you know, the home of this defund the police movement. It was on the ballot. Minneapolis did not vote to defund the police. But I would say in every way, shape or form, they defunded the police. You have the Minneapolis Police Department that's lost about 40% of their cops since George Floyd. But instead of being.
- [68:21]
Tucker Carlson
Minneapolis lost 40% of its cops in five years.
- [68:24]
Liz Collin
Nearly. Nearly half. Yeah. And I actually think we're just now getting to the point of. You thought there were problems with the police five years ago. Just wait until you see some of these people that are coming up on.
- [68:36]
Tucker Carlson
Who'S going to be a cop now.
- [68:37]
Liz Collin
Exactly. It's pretty horrifying. And I don't blame any of these people for leaving.
- [68:42]
Tucker Carlson
You get to be hiring criminals. It'll just be a criminal gang. That's happened before.
- [68:47]
Liz Collin
So under walls we have the riots, we have these lies just about things with his background that I think really deserve more Attention. More investigating these ties to China, which I think are troubling.
- [69:02]
Tucker Carlson
What ties does he have to China?
- [69:04]
Liz Collin
Well, he. We know himself. He said that he's made more than 30 trips to China. He went there upon graduating.
- [69:12]
Tucker Carlson
Trips to China.
- [69:14]
Liz Collin
Went there upon graduating.
- [69:16]
Tucker Carlson
That's a long flight. And he's. I mean, he spent his life.
- [69:19]
Liz Collin
It's like a school teacher from Nebraska originally.
- [69:23]
Tucker Carlson
What is he. What is a school teacher from Nebraska doing making 30 trips to China?
- [69:28]
Liz Collin
And in the National Guard at the time as well, making these trips to China. We also know he started a.
- [69:35]
Tucker Carlson
But what. What. What was. What's that? Really expensive. It's time consuming. It's not something that happened. You don't go to China 30 times unless you have a real reason to do that. What would that reason be?
- [69:46]
Liz Collin
He was taking kids over there at one point as a travel agency. But what's interesting is I've spoken to them.
- [69:52]
Tucker Carlson
What about their kids? Travel with Tim Walls.
- [69:54]
Liz Collin
I've spoken to a few of them that they're obviously older now. They were in their 20s when they would make these trips in college. One student in particular, it's very interesting. He said that he'd been trying to get the attention of the media about this guy for years. He said he would go there on these trips and collect the Little Red Mao book. He would buy as many as he could on these trips saying that they were souvenirs. Tim Walls would. And he said it was very apparent. He just had this. He adored communism and would talk about it in conversation. These students could pick up on that.
- [70:30]
Tucker Carlson
Are you serious?
- [70:31]
Liz Collin
And this student tried, even when he was running for Congress, to say there's more to this guy that you should.
- [70:37]
Tucker Carlson
Mao killed so many more people than Hitler that it's not even close.
- [70:40]
Liz Collin
Yes.
- [70:40]
Tucker Carlson
Not a defense of Hitler. Who was evil. Yeah, but Mao is the greatest mass murderer in history.
- [70:45]
Liz Collin
He's also married. His wedding anniversary. They were married five years after Tiananmen Square. And he picked that date because it was a date that they would remember, he and his wife.
- [70:56]
Tucker Carlson
What?
- [70:57]
Liz Collin
Who does that?
- [70:58]
Tucker Carlson
Tiananmen Square.
- [70:59]
Liz Collin
Correct.
- [71:00]
Tucker Carlson
The tank crushing the lone protester.
- [71:02]
Liz Collin
That's their wedding anniversary. And they went to China for their honeymoon.
- [71:06]
Tucker Carlson
Come on.
- [71:09]
Liz Collin
But there was.
- [71:09]
Tucker Carlson
I was. I was in this country during that campaign. It was less than a year ago. I never heard anybody say that.
- [71:15]
Liz Collin
But again, you have in Minnesota. What has happened? We have a new state flag.
- [71:19]
Tucker Carlson
Wait, wait. Do you think. I'm sorry. I'm just mesmerized.
- [71:22]
Liz Collin
There's a lot of questions. I Agree.
- [71:23]
Tucker Carlson
Questions.
- [71:24]
Liz Collin
Yeah, but the problem is there's not anybody looking for answers. It seems like, well, they want to kill themselves.
- [71:29]
Tucker Carlson
So that's. They're. They're doing a great job. I get it. I mean, ultimately, I just have to say this as a white man. I do blame the liberal whites. They want to kill themselves and their kids. That's. That's what they're into. I don't know what. It's what you see it in Britain. So I'm not into suicide, so I'm opposed. But they're the ones doing this, and Walls is a perfect example. Sue. But why would he. You're sure he picked the anniversary?
- [71:55]
Liz Collin
They've talked about this in interviews. Yeah. This is in newspapers.
- [71:58]
Tucker Carlson
Tiananmen Square was a massacre of peaceful protesters.
- [72:01]
Liz Collin
I know.
- [72:03]
Tucker Carlson
Was. Do you think they picked it to, like, in the memory of those brave souls who died opposing the machine?
- [72:08]
Liz Collin
They haven't said that.
- [72:10]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, my God.
- [72:11]
Liz Collin
And what's interesting is, again, we're focusing over on at Alpha News on these stories. There's supposed to be a congressional hearing about all of this, and it's kind of just gone nowhere, sadly. We also know. I've spoken to a couple people that served with Tim Walls in Nebraska in that guard unit, and they suspect. And we've done stories and tried to reach out to Walls for comment, but they suspect that perhaps he took their standard operating procedure, the SOP for the howitzer army tank. He was assigned to this tank, the nuclear. It was nuclear capable. And this was all laid out in the SOP that goes missing while he's there.
- [72:54]
Tucker Carlson
And manual goes missing.
- [72:55]
Liz Collin
Right. And they had talked to the FBI about. About this as well. There's so many questions.
- [73:01]
Tucker Carlson
Why did they talk to the FBI?
- [73:02]
Liz Collin
They think that he's traveling back and forth from China at this time. And then we also know that this howitzer. Wait, I know I sound crazy right now.
- [73:10]
Tucker Carlson
No, no, you're. You don't sound crazy at all. You're recounting the facts.
- [73:14]
Liz Collin
Yeah.
- [73:15]
Tucker Carlson
You are saying that men he worked with in the National Guard in Nebraska went to the FBI because they believed he had given classified military secrets to the Chinese government.
- [73:26]
Liz Collin
They suspect that he did, and well.
- [73:29]
Tucker Carlson
They suspected to the point they went to the FBI.
- [73:31]
Liz Collin
Well, this was all. When he. When all these stories are coming out finally about his background and they're like, maybe we should talk about this. These are guys that back then didn't report this. This was in the early 90s, and they always talked about it amongst themselves. And I think that they weren't completely aware of, you know, the potential threat something like this could. Could pose. But they always thought this was very strange. And then China started producing almost a carbon copy of this military tank a couple years later.
- [74:01]
Tucker Carlson
Come on. For real?
- [74:04]
Liz Collin
According to all of our research, did.
- [74:08]
Tucker Carlson
The Minneapolis Star Tribune break this story?
- [74:11]
Liz Collin
Oh, no, they haven't touched much of this. In fact, actually, when they reported it's Tim Walls goes to China with these kids, and it's this great travel company he started. I think it was a very small story even addressing this at all.
- [74:27]
Tucker Carlson
And he chose to be married on the fifth anniversary of a massacre of peaceful protesters. Oh, man, this is super dark.
- [74:37]
Liz Collin
I realized, too, that some of it seems, like, impossible to believe. But again, being trained as a reporter, I know how this works. You talk to people, you verify things, you source things. And I feel very confident always in all of our information. And that's what is always so frustrating to me, that this should be. This should be the front page of the Star Tribune basically every day. But instead, the Star Tribune is run by a former commissioner of. Governor Walls. He's the CEO and publisher. And it's. It's truly unbelievable, the stories they put out. It's just turned into pure propaganda.
- [75:08]
Tucker Carlson
The Star Tribune is run by a former Walls commissioner.
- [75:12]
Liz Collin
This. Steve Groves was his commissioner for four years. And I don't think this relationship actually exists anywhere in the country between a governor and a publisher of the largest newspaper. But somehow in Minnesota, that's allowed votes.
- [75:28]
Tucker Carlson
So Minnesota has not thrived under the leadership of Tim Walsh. It's gotten much worse. You were telling me today about people, you know, and I know people, too, who've moved from Minnesota to Iowa. Yeah, no offense to Iowa. It's like the nice, you know, the nicest people in the world. It also has the worst weather of any state. You know, it's totally flat. Minnesota is just beautiful. Again, I'm not beating up on Iowa. I really do love Iowa. Spend a lot of time there. But, you know, Minneapolis, I mean, Minnesota is kind of the dream. Iowa's like sturdy farm people and all that. If you're. If you're seeing a migration from Minnesota to Iowa, Minnesota is in serious trouble. Is this fair?
- [76:10]
Liz Collin
Oh, thousands of people have. Have left. Tens of thousands of people have left Minnesota.
- [76:15]
Tucker Carlson
Crazy.
- [76:15]
Liz Collin
I know so many people, even in my neighborhood that have. That have moved.
- [76:21]
Tucker Carlson
So it's gotten so much worse under this guy who got married on the fifth anniversary of Tiananmen Square because he loves the idea of tanks mowing over protesters who votes for him? How does he get elected in the state?
- [76:37]
Liz Collin
Well, this is what's interesting. The last time a Republican has held a statewide office in Minnesota was 2006. It's been a while.
- [76:46]
Tucker Carlson
Pawlenty or who was that?
- [76:48]
Liz Collin
Yeah, Tim Pawlenty when he was elected as governor. We saw the House get a little closer in the legislature this time around. But the last time we had a DFL trifecta for the first time for.
- [77:01]
Tucker Carlson
People who aren't familiar, we explain what DFL is.
- [77:03]
Liz Collin
So that's the Democratic Farm and Labor dfl. The Democratic Party.
- [77:09]
Tucker Carlson
It's the Democratic Party. But your state is different in lots of ways and that's why.
- [77:12]
Liz Collin
Yes, yes it is. But I always have said that with Minnesota. You have a couple blue cities, but the state is very red, probably more red now than ever before.
- [77:22]
Tucker Carlson
Even Minnesota, Minnesota was Democrat, but like in a, in a German, Scandinavian, you know, sort of working class, but clean, upright, not in a radical way at all. Like very old fashioned labor Democrats of the kind that I kind of love. I don't think we disagree on much. And how did it become neoliberal, nihilistic?
- [77:45]
Liz Collin
Well, that's. Even my husband talks about this. He grew up as a Democrat. His dad was an electrician.
- [77:49]
Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
- [77:50]
Liz Collin
Working class. That's how it worked. That has totally changed.
- [77:55]
Tucker Carlson
These are not polyamory Democrats. These are not ayahuasca Democrats.
- [78:00]
Liz Collin
You have a city council though in Minneapolis that primarily they are socialists. They are self proclaimed socialists that are running the city council of Minneapolis. But we've just seen it go more and more to the left each and every year. But even walls, I will say that I don't think people were completely familiar with his background when he was elected.
- [78:22]
Tucker Carlson
Even who backed him. You don't just get elected to statewide office anywhere by.
- [78:26]
Liz Collin
Well, the DFL has all the money. I mean it's like 10 to 1, 100 to 1. It's unbelievable what they can, they can spend, but it is a lot of out of.
- [78:34]
Tucker Carlson
Where are they getting out of money?
- [78:35]
Liz Collin
Out of state.
- [78:35]
Tucker Carlson
Out of state money?
- [78:36]
Liz Collin
Yes. Yeah. Very little actually locally.
- [78:43]
Tucker Carlson
And so Minnesota, like every other place in the country is just like totally dominated by out of state leftists. Billionaires who hate America, want to destroy it.
- [78:51]
Liz Collin
That's what I think is so telling. Keith Ellison, not from Minnesota, he's the law enforcement officer for the state. Tim Walls fry a lot of these people and they've done so much damage in a pretty short amount of time.
- [79:07]
Tucker Carlson
So they're all from out of state. They're all paid by donors from out of state. None of this has anything to do with Minnesota. And they completely taken over your state and changed it utterly packed it with immigrants, by the way, changed the, the nature of who lives there, the demographics of it completely. And none of it was organic. Like, it wasn't like the people of Minnesota asked for this. It wasn't democracy.
- [79:32]
Liz Collin
Yeah, there's always this, like Minnesota, nice. I'm sure you've probably heard that.
- [79:36]
Tucker Carlson
But nice people live there.
- [79:37]
Liz Collin
But Minnesota naive. I'm like, are we really that naive? I mean, I can. I'm not that naive, which is why I'm trying to, you know, do something about it.
- [79:44]
Tucker Carlson
They're very passive.
- [79:45]
Liz Collin
Yeah. And you know, it's this land of 10,000 lakes that seems to have turned into the land of 10,000 lies. So many lies, sadly.
- [79:57]
Tucker Carlson
Who's Keith Ellison?
- [80:00]
Liz Collin
Well, quite a bit about him in my book as well. But when we talk about even just this war on the police that has been waged in Minneapolis across the state of Minnesota. He was an attorney who came to Minnesota and represented gang members decades ago. In fact, represented a gang member who was responsible for executing a Minneapolis police officer, Jerry Hoff. He was involved in that. It's hard to believe, I think by any of kind cops in the state. However, he was elected to be our Attorney General, but is very anti law enforcement. That's clear. Besides the four.
- [80:48]
Tucker Carlson
And what's his job now?
- [80:49]
Liz Collin
He's the Attorney General of Minnesota.
- [80:51]
Tucker Carlson
So he's the chief law enforcement officer in the state, but he's very anti law enforcement.
- [80:54]
Liz Collin
Correct. Okay, yes.
- [80:55]
Tucker Carlson
It's like a vegetarian butcher. It just doesn't work.
- [80:58]
Liz Collin
Actually makes no sense at all. But in addition to these four officers, there was another female officer criminally charged and another Minneapolis police officer criminally charged as well. So this is six police officers charged. They tried to charge another Minnesota state trooper criminally recently and the charges were dropped. We also lost in the line of duty, five first responders. One was a firefighter, paramedic in a matter of 13 months in Minnesota lost hat.
- [81:32]
Tucker Carlson
What do you mean they.
- [81:34]
Liz Collin
You have just this anti law enforcement rhetoric. Murdered on the job. Five in a matter of a year, basically. Again, something.
- [81:44]
Tucker Carlson
Did anyone name a ballpark after any of them?
- [81:47]
Liz Collin
No.
- [81:48]
Tucker Carlson
Right. So this is nihilists from out of state who hate the United States, hate Christianity, who are trying to invert our society and destroy it. And I'm not saying it's the Chinese, but like, I don't know, I don't know what this is but it's not bubbling up from the people of Minnesota, is it?
- [82:06]
Liz Collin
No. In fact I have never. I struggle sometimes finding people that will say openly that they even support Walls as a reporter. It's really shocking to me. I was actually trying to help some news crews that were in town saying okay well maybe go to this festival or that they were struggling to find people to go on camera that even and would openly admit to supporting him. In fact his home area in Mankato where He lived for 20 years, they voted for Trump and Walz was on the ticket with Kamala. So what does that tell you who's.
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Tucker Carlson
Going to be governor next?
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Liz Collin
That's a great question. He's likely running again.
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Tucker Carlson
Tim Walls.
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Liz Collin
It sounds that way. Gearing up to at this point, you.
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Tucker Carlson
Think of all the money that we spent. We spend trillion dollars a year on the military. I'm not against the military I guess but I mean maybe we could spend some of that money improving our cities or finding better leaders or something. Right. It's just such a tragedy. So let's talk about Minneapolis, the city. All eyes were on it five years ago, almost exactly five years ago, summer of 2020. And the idea was are all these like systemic racism problems? Nikki Haley told us there's and this was going to cleanse them through fire. Like what's the city like now? You've been there, you said your whole life, is it better?
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Liz Collin
It's unrecognizable in many areas. Not better yet to find anybody who thinks the the city is. Is better five years later it's unrecognizable in what way? Businesses boarded up, people gone. There was a very bustling. I worked downtown, that's where WCCO was and for 14 years no problem walking around downtown that was just part of life, vibrant people out, having lunch. It's a ghost town downtown. Graffiti crime. I can't even begin to tell you even just yesterday an 11 year old boy shot in the middle of the day in a park killed. Something like that would never happen. And it's daily, weekly that these horrific things happen. They never even tracked carjackings in the city of Minneapolis before because they just maybe one a year. In the wake of Floyd there was I think 700 the year after it.
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Tucker Carlson
Went from 1 to 700 in one year.
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Liz Collin
In just a year they had to. And again they have no cops. And you also have policies that have been so dramatically changed. It's a use of force report basically that they have to fill out. If you handcuff a person in Arresting them, you have to call a supervisor to get permission. These are things that are now put in place. You have these violence Interrupter groups that have taken over for the cops that are basically just seen sitting on their phones every day. And that's where our tax dollars are going to pay for these groups. Many of them have connections to Keith Ellison. That's documented. But when I say unrecognizable, it's almost even hard to explain how different life is in Minneapolis now.
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Tucker Carlson
Do you go?
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Liz Collin
I go for work. But even I was shooting some interviews in Minneapolis just recently. And it's not uncommon to see crime for yourself happen just on the way. There's somebody down the street being held at gunpoint for their car. I mean, I know it sounds crazy, but it really is like the wild, wild west. There was a naked man that one of my friends captured on his cell phone having lunch in downtown Minneapolis. Just a naked guy walking around on the street. Drug deals happening. You can see them from above in some of the high rise buildings when people even do go. But it's sad. It used to be a place where you'd go see a show and certainly people are still doing that, but not anywhere close to what it was before five years ago. Right.
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Tucker Carlson
This is not like in the 70s. This is five years ago.
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Liz Collin
Right. Right.
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Tucker Carlson
Is there. Are there. So I'll. I'll just be totally blunt with you, Liz. I'm overwhelmed by what you've said. I'm really sad about it, even though I'm not from there. Are there any signs of hope that this slide can be arrested, that things can get better?
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Liz Collin
You know, I'm always a hopeful person. And I think that's why I did jump ship and wanted to play a part in telling the truth and join independent media. And I've definitely seen more people open their eyes. At least we're willing to now have these conversations. But when you have a political assassination that takes place and you're just like, how is this. This isn't the state that I grew up in, again, seems to be unrecognizable. But I remain hopeful because it really is. It's a beautiful state. Wonderful. People made me who I am. And I think there are more of us than we realize. Sometimes you can feel a little bit out there and alone, but there are more of us than we realize.
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Tucker Carlson
Do you think there's any chance that the normal people who are actually from, unlike Jacob Fry from Minnesota, take their state back?
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Liz Collin
Yeah, I think that there are many people who even five years ago. I mean, I'll just say during the fall of Minneapolis. I mean, I couldn't even find a hairstylist or a makeup artist because this was crazy. If you would be willing to tell the truth about this.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, you couldn't find someone to do your hair.
- [88:00]
Liz Collin
People were so afraid to attach themselves to. And it is completely different now. I mean, if you see, you know, people are willing to step up and speak out now and that wasn't the case.
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Tucker Carlson
Whatever happened to Black Lives Matter? Do they still exist? Or they just run off with all the real estate and I think they.
- [88:16]
Liz Collin
Yeah, they, they came in, made a bunch of money and, and left town. I don't.
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Tucker Carlson
Are they working to improve the lives of black people?
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Liz Collin
I haven't seen it in Minneapolis.
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Tucker Carlson
Boy, they were the most famous group in the world there for a while. We had to like bow down before them and wash their feet and stuff. Did they. But they just, they're gone.
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Liz Collin
Yeah. I've always said that that's the story. Right. Black lives, sadly in Minneapolis have never mattered less. I mean, this is. They've become. And many of them have reached out. I've done many stories, their lives, they want police back, they want protection and they just, they don't have it anymore.
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Tucker Carlson
And also it's like it's not even about black or white or it's about America. And you don't have a right to shoot people. You can't do that. Whether you want your neighborhood wants police presence or not is kind of not up to you. We don't put up with murder here because we're a civilized country. That's my view. Last question. If people are interested in following your reporting, where do they find it?
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Liz Collin
So the fallofminneapolis.com is where you can go. More information about the book and the documentary is free. You can see it right there. And also we've done many follow up stories since on everything that's taken place in Minneapolis. You'll find it on that website. Liz Collin on X is where you can find my reporting. AlphaNews.org, a team of independent reporters in Minnesota working to uncover all of this.
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Tucker Carlson
Bless you for doing it. I'm sure it's thankless a lot of the time, but I think it's important to tell the truth, whether it's acknowledged as true at the time. You are creating a documentary record that at the very least historians can assess to find out what really happened. And I just think objectively that matters. Like you want the truth out there. It's a good thing. Always.
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Liz Collin
Thank you, Tucker.
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Tucker Carlson
Thank you. Please call in. I appreciate it.
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Liz Collin
Thank you.
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Tucker Carlson
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