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Ex-Freemason: Possessed Politicians, Demonic Rituals for Power, Secret Societies, and the Occult
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Sean Stone
Foreign.
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Interviewer
Thanks for doing this. It dawned on me the other day, years after it dawned on you that there are no secular leaders of anything and that people pose as, you know, science based and non religious. But everyone who has power in the world is religious. I have noticed they just have different religions and you've been on this for a very long time. So let's just start as big as we can. What's the purpose of communing with the supernatural? For leaders? Why do leaders do it?
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Sean Stone
I think there was some. Maybe this is a quote or someone said this to me. There are non powerful people who are Freemasons, but there are no powerful people who are not Freemasons.
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Interviewer
Freemasons.
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Sean Stone
Freemasons. If you think about the nature of an initiatory group that's been around in its current form for a few hundred years, since the 1700s, right. In the UK but and likewise in France. But it's. Or you know, they say its origin or they believe its origin precedes it to the Knights Templar. Right. Who are very powerful order as we know. From my understanding of the Templars. It's not this. The idea of like nine knights showing up in the Middle east during the Crusades. Right. To guard the roads. Right. It was really more about excavating under the Temple of Solomon.
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Interviewer
Yes.
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Sean Stone
That was, you know what they were interested where the ancient texts, the well of souls. The well of souls. The, the ancient texts, the things that were, you know, written into like grimoires and hidden, you know, incantations, things that you could basically call upon the spiritual realm. Because that's the lore of King Solomon. King Solomon, as we remember from the Bible. You know, he had wisdom and he was a powerful ruler over what was then Israel.
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Interviewer
But richest man in the world. Yeah.
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Sean Stone
Well, he had the gold. But why did he have the power? Was because he could call upon what they call jin genies and he could command them with his ring, the Ring of Solomon, the ring of power. And that's what he. So the real lore of like masonry, right was that he had this builder, Hiram Abiff, who could, you know, who architected the the temple, the temple of Solomon. But they had jinn that they called upon to actually do the work and to build it. Now that's all metaphor.
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Interviewer
And what are jinn?
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Sean Stone
Genies, what we would call genies in Aladdin's lamp. They are the beings. And so I went to Iran. The first time was curiosity. But I went to go meet with some of these guys that communicate to them, to the other side. And I would talk to them about, you know, what's going on in the world. And they would say, yeah, I mean the jinn and Islamic lore is very similar to like angels and demons or the watchers in the book of Enoch. Right. Who are not, they're both dark and light. Some, some serve God, some serve the dark side. And, and so the idea of like the power of Solomon was to be able to have a relationship and mastery. And some people say that he actually got overwhelmed by the power and that's why he fell. Right. He ended up with the, the love affair that sort of sank his, his, his rulership because he. It's a very d. It's a very dangerous gambit once you start committing with that side. But all, I believe all the initiatory paths, freemasonry is just one of them, the most famous one, lead you to that realm, to the understanding that there's spiritual forces invisible to us that are working through people in this world. And just because someone is a so called Christian doesn't mean they're serving God. And someone, just because someone is a Muslim doesn't mean they're serving the devil. That it's the same across the entire planet. That there are forces of dark and light working through every religion, every people, even through our own, our own lifetime, our own souls. You know, at any point when you grow up in Hollywood or whatnot, you realize like it does seem that people can sell their souls and maybe not even be aware of it because to me it's not. Satanism is like, can be incantations, it can be blood sacrifices and rituals. It can also just be worship of the material realm.
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Interviewer
Yes, right.
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Sean Stone
So when you get into that realm of like, oh, I want power, I want worldly power. I think that's the Satanic path. They, not, they don't, they don't think of it as such, but materialism at its heart is worship of the Earth. And that's why people talk about the earth like, you know, it's kind of Lucifer's domain. Right? Because if you worship, if you become, start worshiping money and you know, and yourself Your own ego. Well, you've lost sight of the transcendent power of God.
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Interviewer
There's no question about that. There's no question. And I think all of us experience that in our own lives. But just to back to what you initially said about the Masons. So we're about 100ft from Masonic Lodge. They're all over rural America. They're kind of a vestige of the past. This is how I think of them. A bunch of elderly guys with ceremonial swords.
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Sean Stone
Yeah.
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Interviewer
You have one? I have one right over there from that lodge. You don't think of them as a threat or even a meaningful player in current events. But then I should say I don't know much about it. Yeah, I don't. So at really at all you joined the Masons. Why did you do that and what, what was it like?
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Sean Stone
So it was, it was a, it was a journey of initiation I think that I was going through in that time right out of college because you know, in my college years started getting deep into studying history and you know, and even in the Procopius was writing the history of Justinian, right. The Roman Emperor, Byzantine Emperor. And he described him as a shape shifting demon basically in that book in the secret history. And that was buried for a long time. And you know again there's all types of histories that King James was, was it James's Bible. But he also wrote demonology book. Right. I mean this was the way that it was. The world was perceived and understood for centuries as we know as a battleground
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Interviewer
between dark and light. Yeah.
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Sean Stone
I mean as, as forces that were unseen. I mean Socrates talked about his, his Damon, like his per, you know, but be called genius. But you know, they say like in the old world there's a theory that when Homer's writing about, you know, the Iliad and, and about you know, all these different gods having a play in human life. A lot of people believe that we were in communication more readily with beings. Right. Unseen beings. And it may have been a real, real factor in our, in our consciousness back then. And then we, you know, obviously we get to this place of the Enlightenment when all that becomes relegated and we say, oh, that's all, you know, hocus pocus and not real. We can only focus on the physical realm. But you can't understand how life begins through the physical realm alone. You can't understand how the universe is formed.
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Interviewer
No.
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Sean Stone
Right. I mean, what, okay, how does a big bane start? You know, it just, just happens. Okay. Spontaneous time travel. I mean, how does it happen? How does it actually begin exactly? From what? And how does our, how does life begin? So I think a lot of the materialists actually, you could say, like, you know, people say Darwin and whatnot are essentially serving the dark side because they're saying there's nothing outside the material realm. It's, this is all that exists and everything. Well, actually all we're interfacing with is our own minds.
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Interviewer
Yes.
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Sean Stone
Our own perceptions. And so when they want us to believe, you know, a very simplified version of reality. Spontaneous evolution, random evolution, random changes. Right. Take away anything spiritual. I think that serves the dark side in a sense because it now, it elevates our own egos. It makes us, you know, we're the progenitors of this. And you know, we are the greatest thing in the universe and we can get into that later. But that then serves a transhuman agenda that, you know, it's all about perfecting ourselves through the physical plane of genetics, right? Genetic tampering and whatnot. And you try to basically take the spiritual origin impulse of God creating this universe out of the story. Right? That's what the Enlightenment did in many ways. But you can't take it out because we instinctively, as souls that we are in human form, we have this curiosity and this desire to know, okay, where I come from, like it can't, you know, my soul didn't just spontaneously appear. How do I have consciousness? How, where does consciousness originate from? Just from our brains. Well, I think we're understanding that our brains are more receivers, almost like, you know, computers that can receive the Internet that's around us. Right. That's the way that we function more in that way. And that's why people have near death experiences or they have out of body experiences. And they, this is, you know, the CIA does this kind of stuff, astral projection. And they can see things outside of their physical body that you can't say, well, your brain knew it. You have all kinds of cases and stories of this, you know, people, you know, who are literally on a hospital bed and they can perceive things in the next room. So consciousness transcends our brain, right? And that indicates again, a spiritual reality that a lot of mainstream science wants us to ignore. But I was like looking at history and saying, no, we've always had this impulse to see a spiritual reality or what Plato calls like the ideational realm, the world of ideals. But before, before we get to the material realm. So let's not try to ignore that.
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Sean Stone
So I would, you know, study these things. And I ended up going into, well, I Met this guy who was himself a mason, and he was a Jersey kid who was like my age. And we started. He. He would. He had been exploring these haunted places. New Jersey, New Jersey is notorious for being haunted. They have a whole magazine called Haunted nj, Right. And not just Jersey, but the. You know, the. Let's say the east coast, but especially New Jersey. Especially New Jersey. They've got some history there. I don't know what it is. And so he was exploring these places like Greystone, which was a massive mental hospital. Woody Guthrie was there, for example, and you saw it in the recent Bob Dylan movie. He goes and visits Guthrie at the Greystone Mental Hospital. This place was about. For 100 years, it was one of the biggest mental hospitals in the country. It was the biggest foundation when they built it until they built the Pentagon after. So it was a massive. Like, we went to this place at night and even though it was shut down, it was still. The lights were still on. And it's about five or six stories tall and underground. There's tunnels and passages that go on for miles around. So we would go explore this place at night and. And let's just say that high strangeness ensued because he starts, it's an abandoned
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Interviewer
mental hospital in New Jersey.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, yeah, it's an abandoned mental hospital in Jersey. And so from the first time that we went there and then went back, and each time it would just. Different things would reveal themselves to me in a way that I made a film about it, Greystone park, to kind of symbolize the. The way that fear operates. To me, I believe that our frequency attracts forces. And so when you go into a place like that where thousands of people are. Have died, they had like a mass grave basically of, you know, thousands of people that had died there over the course of a hundred years. And there'd been a lot of abuse. And I think also people go into this place or you would go into that place who are themselves, you know, we call mentally ill. But a lot of them, I think, were demon possessed.
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Interviewer
Yes.
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Sean Stone
And so imagine it's now becoming a place of very dark energy.
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Interviewer
And hard to imagine anything darker than that. Right?
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Sean Stone
Yeah. And so what we saw was like indications, paraphernalia, books, things like this left behind of like, satanic rituals. Like, people would go there and perform rituals to draw upon that energy. And why would someone do that? Well, so this gets into the nature of our. Of this realm. Right. If we. Again, like, we understand, like, material realm is what we see and what we interact with, what we think we're interacting with. But as we know, at heart, it's just, it's all energy. Like, this table is moving particles, right? Our being is. We're moving particles, moving atoms. We're, we're, we're energetic bodies that, you know, appear to be fixed. But actually, as we know, we're changing it every second. Every, you know, every day. Our, you know, where cells are dying and being reborn, our, you know, our energy body is. Is moving. And so the spiritual traditions have always understood that because, you know, they didn't call it necessarily energy, but prana and life force breath, Ra, right? Like, that's the origin of. Of creation is something in spirit is moving through us into this container, this vessel that, you know, that appears fixed. But again, as we know, it's changing. That's why we don't. We don't look the same every day, even if it's just slight differences. And as you know, like, you can see in people's. You can just. You can kind of see it sometimes, right? Like, you can see when someone's energetically drained. You can see when someone's energy is high and they're vibrant instantly. So this is all this is. This is the energetic nature of reality. So if we are talking about a world that also is energetic and alive. And then you have geometry. Let's say certain structures trap energy more than others, right? I mean, if you're outdoors and, I mean, we can just experience it, right? You're out in nature, you're in. You're in a forest. The trees are going to have certain energy. It's gonna, it's gonna move. You know, maybe, like they'll. In the course, they are living beings, right? So they'll, they'll live their life and die. And that's why some forests are called haunted forests or darker. You know, they're darker places. And sometimes you'll have. Historically, yeah, you'll have places where there'll be gatherings of people to practice, you know, since the pagan times, let's say, right. To practice different rituals. And sometimes you'll feel the energy of that. Like, oh, this is a place where, you know, there's a gathering that takes place and a certain energy gets created there. Same way as like a building. I mean, that's what a haunted house is, right? Like if you're in a house and it's, you know, you. Someone gets murdered, it's gonna have a heavier energy, right? Because it hasn't. Unless you come and bless it. And really, I don't know, do the right energy. Do the Work to move the energy through, to let it pass, right? To let the souls go. Um, and I had that experience with one of the haunted places I went to. It was like a. A place that was notorious. It was next to the. It was next to a mental hospital where kids were housed. And this was upstate New York. This was different from Greystone. And in that house next to the mental hospital for kids, the legend has it that a priest that was molesting these kids at that property and actually killing some of the kids and doing black magic. And in that house, I saw people get possessed. And, you know, we heard the sounds of hell, like, coming from. I mean, it's hard to imagine that this is what we experienced. You know, we'd be upstairs, and all of a sudden we'd hear howling of dogs and laughter of, like, demonic laughter and things like this echoing through the house. And so we went back multiple times and we blessed the house. And the final time really felt a purging of energy, and the house burned down on its own within about a month or two. So that's the kind of thing we talk about, like, the energy that gets trapped in places until you come with higher frequency of blessing a place and, you know, clearing the energy. So again, we're talking of a battle of dark and light, those forces that draw upon dark energy because they can then invoke spirit, let's say, darker spirits that hooks into that. If everything is, let's say, like, frequency, fear, you know, things that are horrific. Horror films play into the psychology, right? It's like Freddy Krueger, right? He plays. He. He preys upon. He's a dream. Dream demon, right? He. He infects people with fear. And we think about how, like, demons are what. They're scary, right? They're monstrous. They're shadows. They're things that. That create fear in us. And then it seems to be like the frequency match almost.
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Interviewer
Do you think that's one of the reasons that Jesus so often tells his disciples not to be afraid?
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Sean Stone
Yes, that's exactly right. So remember when demon cat, when Jesus casts out the demons, he sends them into the swine, right? He's like, yeah, get them out. Get out of.
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Interviewer
Kill themselves.
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Sean Stone
And they go and kill themselves. Because a lot of the demonic. I mean, again, there's different frequency of demonic energy. There's madness. A lot of psychosis we have experiencing in this country, I think connects to it. A lot of it ties into alcohol and drugs. That's, you know, lowering people's frequency. You know, it's One thing to have, you know, a glass or two, but as we know, a lot of alcohol. What does it do? It takes us out of our right mind. In my experience of seeing people get possessed, it's pretty much like seeing someone, you know, when someone's out of blackout drunk. And yeah, you've, we've all seen it. Someone's coked up or out of their mind on with alcohol and they behave erratically, irrationally, they get aggressive, they get mean, or they start laughing hysterically and the next day they may not remember anything. It's exactly what possession is because when you see someone get possessed, they just like, like, it's like a flip, a flip of a switch and they go from someone you can see, look in the eyes and see what they are to just checked out. I've seen people screaming, I've seen people laughing maniacally. I've seen just, you know, just check out, like just staring blankly. But you know, it, you just, you know that this person's not in their right mind.
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Interviewer
Yes.
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Sean Stone
And the key is to try to bring the light back, breathe, bring, you know, good energy back. Raise the, raise the frequency so they can come back to their, their self, their selves. So what I would say this battle is between the darkness that again feeds on that fear, that lower vibrational, you know, psyche of like not being in our right mind, not being in our, in our higher selves. Right. Not being connected to our spirit, our higher, you know, to God, basically. Right. Spirit that is always available. But the dark side wants to lower that frequency to a place that would be closer to hell. Right? What we, what it's always been described as hell. Place of torture, of suffering, pain, place of the dead. Yeah, well, even worse than death, right? Death is one thing, go believe, go below that, you know, and it's like that's the level of self destruction, like you said with the pigs, you know, self destructiveness. So this is the battle and, and again, if the dark side has, you know, waged war on mankind, let's say, right? If we believe and this is, you know, this is not just Christian tradition. I mean this is like a lot of story.
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Interviewer
There is.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, it's a lot of stories around the world have told, talked about this, you know, that there's something that's waging war on mankind. They want, they want possession of the soul. They want us to check out, to get, to surrender, right? To check out, say, hand over control of the vehicle. And that seems to be the real battle, right. Are we autonomous beings? We have Control of our vehicles. I mean, we all experienced this during COVID Imagine like, you know, all of a sudden, seems so far out. But, like, during COVID we actively saw people checked out from fear and like, dead body. Like dead things, you know, putting on masks so they can't even really breathe. They can't. In a court of law, you can't. You're like, you know, you can't speak if you've got a mask on, right? So, like, you don't have any say. So when you put a mask on, you're basically taking away your power to speak and to breathe. So you're like a dead. You're like a dead thing now. And then beyond that, we saw the hysteria that came with it, you know, from fear. All that fear around. You're infected, you might be infected. This person could be infected. You didn't get your shot. You better stay away. You have. You can't come to the family gathering. You can't come into that, to my establishment. And if you're in California, I mean, I. I left the state because it was like, I can get a fake vaccine card, but I don't want to engage with people that are mandating this, right? What kind of hysteria, what kind of madness is this? Right? So we've all experienced that kind of possession. Not like some people personally experienced it and then said, wait a minute, I was in fear and I've woken up. And others just saw it and saying, it's like everyone's possessed all of a sudden by this, you know, by this fear.
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Interviewer
So the masons practice a religion. How would you describe what masonry is? Well,
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Sean Stone
I mean Masonry is based in the Old Testament. You know, most, a lot of the masons I know are Christian, but again it's I look at as initiatory path. So I don't look at it as Masons are, are evil. What I experienced was that there's. Okay, so I'll put like this. The first night that I went there, where was this? The Cornerstone Lodge in New York, which is a very famous lodge. People like Jay Z, you know, go there and whatnot. It's, you know, it's Jay Z's.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, from my understanding he, he was, you know, he was with that lodge as well, but higher, higher than I was. But the point is that it's, it's, it's an initiation that kind of what I felt was being observed and watched. And I know it was watched because after doing the first degree initiation where you get the blindfold and the, the noose and all this stuff is online. I'm not really revealing some secrets. All the, the, the phrases and things, you know, the, the geometry of it, where you have to walk, you know, certain directions and points and say certain things, all that's online now, it's public. But when you perform it ritualistically like a play, there are other forces that are not human, that are engaging in the. The experience. And I know that because when I was leaving the lodge that night with my friend, we got a phone call. And it was an unknown number. And this sort of husky voice was on the phone, and he was like, how was the meeting? And I was like, it's interesting game you guys have going here. And it's like. And we were just talking a bit, saying a lot of things that were like, biblical, you know, 40 days in the cave. 40. Some stuff that I didn't understand. But I knew that they were watching me because I was walking back to my apartment in New York, and. And I'm like, oh, so you're watching me? He's like, yeah. I'm like, okay, what am I doing? He's like, you're walking. So I stopped walking. And I'm like, oh, yeah? He's like, yeah, you stopped walking. And I was like, okay, could be a guess, but let's just go, you know, continue the conversation. Go upstairs. And I had, like, a gray shirt on and black pants. And after, you know, I started recording the conversation. The audio did not record subsequently, only the video recorded. But as I was recording, this basically was. It was this man's voice. And then it would be a woman that would take over. So it was like two voices. It was one as a man, one as a woman. And then she basically said, stop recording. And I was like, you know, I didn't stop. I would maybe like, stop for a minute, then I turn it back on. And I had. At that time, I had a cross on. Sorry, it was not a cross. It was a Islamic sword that I had as a necklace. And so I was taking my shirt off, and she's like, put your shirt back on. And I was like, oh, you don't like this symbol or what's wrong? And it was like, put your shirt back on. And I'm like. We just continued to talk. But there were a few things that I remember distinctly, including her saying, I'll leave you with this. You're wearing a gray shirt with black pants. So something was. Had been observing me that night. And they continued to talk with me. And it. It was essentially they texted me thereafter. And it was like. It went on for an hour or so, like, off and on. My friend who took me there got really sick to his stomach. He was like, vomiting, actually, after that, during that same time that I was on the phone, and he really was, like, physically out of it. And so I was conversing with these things for like an hour. And again, a lot of it was about the fallen angels. Because this goes back to again, the jinn, the unseen world. The idea that. Remember the Book of Enoch talks about this, that the fall basically is not just Lucifer's. It's like Lucifer and the. What was it? The three. Was it 300 or three? 300, I think that fell. But a lot of it had to do with the origin of, like, how the angels fell in love with human women. Right. That's the story of Enoch. Was that. Yes, they fell in love with human women. They had children. The Nephilim, the fallen ones or also. I guess they're also fallen ones. And this whole bloodline war basically of like, you know, fallen angels having children with human women and becoming like the great leaders of old. You know, the men of renown. The men of renown. Exactly. The leaders of the military and the. And the emperors or kings of the time. Royal bloodlines. So all this came up that night.
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Interviewer
that story from Enoch and it's alluded to in Genesis 6 as well, people look at you like, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Where does that come from? Is that like a David Icke concept or something?
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Interviewer
Pretty much every religion tells that story, including Christianity.
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Sean Stone
Right.
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Interviewer
Jesus is the product of spirit and a human woman. God and Mary. So the Greek myths are the same.
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Sean Stone
Alexander was his mother, said that Zeus came to her.
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Interviewer
Exactly.
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Sean Stone
Yeah.
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You know, I mean, that's not proof,
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Interviewer
but it's certainly an indication. This is not like a crazy new theory that David. Ike thought up.
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Sean Stone
Not at all. And that's why I always say the
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Interviewer
basis of every religion.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, but that's why people have got. So they want you to think about Ike as like, he's the crazy guy. But that's why I studied history, because I wanted to say. No, Ike is just picking up on old traditions and he's just listening to people that are telling him stories, which
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Interviewer
I think hear that story in any church in the United States every Sunday. Exactly. Right.
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Interviewer
departure from what people have thought for thousands of years, that there is the
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Interviewer
realm impregnating human women.
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Sean Stone
Right, right. And going again, I mean, even the Anunnaki texts of the Sumerians before, you know, which predates the Old Testament, talking about. Exactly. This thing about the Anunnaki sky gods creating the first, humans as their workers. And you know, and again, like the flood store. The flood mythology comes from that, you
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Interviewer
know, God was so displeased by the behavior of the Nephilim that he destroyed the world.
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Sean Stone
Right.
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Interviewer
And their behavior that he, that he specifically called out was violence.
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Sean Stone
Right, right. And eating of. Actually eating of humans. The Nephilim did remember, really? Oh, yeah. The giants ate the humans. Do you remember?
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Interviewer
That's in the Book of Enoch.
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Sean Stone
It's in one of them. It's either. I mean, I thought it was in the Bible, but it's definitely an Enoch then, because that was the issue that they were. The giants were eating people. And so this, you know, then takes us to the very, you know, present day of, you know, when demon, you know, the lore around demons drinking human blood or like, you know, demon possessed humans drinking human blood. Dracula mythology.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Sean Stone
I mean, yes, this is all. It's, it's, it's drawn upon the old world, but it, you know, when I, when, when Hunterd S. Thompson talks about adrenochrome and people say, oh, he made that up. And I go, yeah, except I talked to a military intelligence guy who goes, adrenochrome is real because it comes across our, our, our messaging boards all the time. You know, adrenochrome is being trafficked into the country.
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Interviewer
So adrenochrome is a compound from the human adrenal gland. Is that correct?
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Sean Stone
Yeah. I mean, my understanding is it's, it's like an adrenaline, basically. It's adrenaline that gets secreted and from like, obviously adrenaline from anxiety, from stress. Fear. Fear. And it's, you know, it's something spec. That is being used for, you know, as a, as a drug or is it, you know, is it demonic food? I don't know. I mean, again, it's, it's not something that I've personally experienced, but, you know, it's like we're connecting the ancient world to the modern world. And it seems to be, you know, if it's one long thread, we can't, you know, we can't just ignore that.
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Interviewer
It's very interesting to me that some of the main themes throughout human history, blood being the life force, the spirit,
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Sean Stone
the magic in the blood.
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Interviewer
Right, the magic in the blood, genetics, bloodline. These were full blown preoccupations for every civilization before 1945. And they've just been eliminated from public conversation by media.
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Sean Stone
But media is the greatest magician of all. Right? I mean that's, it's so interesting that you mentioned 45. Obviously that's the end of the Second World War, right? British, you know, British podcasting was originally part of British intelligence. Like it was always, you know, they understood that propaganda was key. I mean that was.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Sean Stone
First World war effort, bringing us into the First World War, getting us, you know, getting us involved. And then obviously the Second World War, the same. There was a huge amount of propaganda that was, that was put out for it. But then we adopted those same techniques post 45, I would say with the various radio projects, you know, whether it was like, you know, and from radio to television, right. The same concept. A lot of the guys, as you know, that were like intelligence OSS officers or you know, part of oss, then became like executives and whatnot for the original, you know, TV channels, which as you know, at the time was like what, like four, you know, it was like ABC, CV3 plus PBS.
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Interviewer
Yeah, four, right.
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Sean Stone
And so it was very, it was very important to send out messaging. And then likewise with radio, it was the same thing. It was like, okay, first radio was used, you know, for, for information before television. But then radio became the music. And so it became like top 40. What was it, the top 40 project? Essentially it was like, let's, let's figure out how to basically condition people using music. And it's no longer going to be symphonic, right? Like long symphonic pieces of music. It's going to be short three minutes or less of, you know, something that
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Interviewer
can like hook people and cultural propaganda,
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Sean Stone
culturally propagandized over and over, hypnotize people, essentially. I mean that's so music does think about the. When we engage with. So interesting. Engaging with young people now and seeing how much like, you know, when I was a kid, hip hop was, it was kind of coming, you know, was coming on in the 90s. But nowadays it's like all those lyrics, A lot of the, A lot of the, the more debasing, you know, lyrics, let's say, how do you end up with an only fans culture? Well, it starts with the lyrics that are put out through hip hop music that's propagated to every, you know, young kid across the country. And then that Becomes part of the cultural conditioning, languaging all these things. So I think music is one of the most important magical tools that no doubt, you know, that's. That's used to obviously influence culture and then obviously not just music and film. And nowadays with streaming, it's. It's hypnotic. Putting people into hypnotic states for hours on end. Right. When you stream things into the consciousness.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
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Interviewer
Or social media are hypnotic, I've noticed, and very addictive.
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Sean Stone
So TikTok especially, I mean, people literally just fall asleep to it. You know, it's scrolling streaming.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
So part of the point of the
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Interviewer
propaganda effort is not just to highlight lies, but to prevent people from considering things in full context or seeing the whole picture. Always eliminating certain important themes from the public conversation. And certainly anything supernatural would fall into that. Blood and genetics would also be part of that. But the people who run the world never stopped paying attention to the supernatural, to blood and genetics, did they?
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Sean Stone
No, I don't think so. I mean, from my experience, and again, I mean, I'm. I have a limited experience of it, but you talk to some of these families and I mean, first of all, in the uk, you feel it, especially in England, the aristocratic culture, the mindset to this day, they still have a king, you know.
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Interviewer
Yes.
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Sean Stone
Okay. You know, they still have the aristocracy and the bloodlines families and whatnot, and their traditions. And then, you know, you think about, like, you know, some of these families talk about they can trace their ancestry back to the Roman Empire or even before sometimes. Uh, but again, it's just whether or not you're aware. Again, like, whether or not you're aware of it. I think some families, more so than others, the families that are more aware of it, I think, have a certain conditioning process that some people talk about. When it comes to the pedophilia, I think that's more normalized. It's kind of part of the boarding school culture.
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Interviewer
Yep.
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Sean Stone
Oftentimes, like, that was my sense of it when I was. Because I was at Oxford for two terms and, you know, hanging out with, you know, some people, some families that are more known than others, and they would, you know, some of them would tell me, like, you know, the boarding school culture was very, you know, you could say, you know, homosexual. And that kind of dates back to, in terms of the ideology, to Rome and Greece. Remember, like, the idea of, you know, passing on wisdom from the male, from the older male to the younger male, and.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Sean Stone
So it becomes acceptable. And then. Yeah, and then you, you know, you. You do hear these things about a Lot of these, these families that are like, practicing pedophilia with their own kids, and they look at it almost like a. A training, like a training process because it dissociates. So traumatic abuse of a young person dissociates them, makes them able to. Then you could argue like, you know, like the monarch butterfly. That's a symbol. The monarch is often described as a symbol of the childhood programming. So basically, like when you are traumatized so young, you dissociate, you now have greater ability to act without moral compunction, without even like knowing your own limits. Right. Your own self. You basically have broken all those barriers.
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Interviewer
about a system that sends, you know, its sons to boarding school at 7 or 8 years old.
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Sean Stone
Or even younger sometimes.
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Interviewer
Or even younger. Yeah. My grandfather went, you know, at that kind of age, and I wasn't good for him. I don't know why you would do that, but it has something to do with breaking down normal qualities in a young man. I'm not saying it's a pederasty thing, but it does have to do with.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, abuse has many forms.
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Interviewer
That's right.
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Sean Stone
There's a physical, there's the verbal, the sexual is just usually like the one that no one wants to talk about.
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Interviewer
No, that's right.
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Sean Stone
But obviously occurs.
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Sean Stone
I mean, it's not like you, you, you ever like, establish, like, I'm going to meetings. No, I wanted to initiate to three degrees. I, I entered. And in between, by the way. Okay, so this is why I know this gets far out, but like, in between.
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Interviewer
We're already pretty far out.
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Sean Stone
The, the initiation, the first degree and the third degree from. In that time period, I would get Phone calls from 666notifications all the time. Six six, six, six six six. We want your soul. Like just demonic voices. I want your soul. That's kind of nonsense.
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Interviewer
So Satan called your cell.
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Sean Stone
I mean, I don't know if you know, if it was SA, but someone with a 666 number that sounded satanic called my cell and would be like, we want your soul. And I would just laugh. I don't be like, okay, I mean, it's not mine to give, you know, my soul belongs to God. So I don't know what you're taught, you know, I can't, I can't, I can't help you. Basically. I don't know what.
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I think I'm jumpier than you because if I was, you know, in between Degrees in the masons and Satan started
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Interviewer
calling me, I would drop out.
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Sean Stone
Well, it's not about dropping out or not. It's about initiating in your. In, in this that it's an initiating and understanding of the world. And that's why I believe the checkerboard is very real. Like the way that it's designed is the checkerboard on the floor. It's black and white. Not all Satanists are evil. I do believe that there's the path of light and there's a path of dark. They want to assess who you are. And as I say they, I mean like a higher, higher realm wants to know what you are. So I believe the people that join, who choose the darker side, you know, I think I've seen it. They basically are willing to do anything. They're willing to drink the blood, they're willing to make the oath essentially to the dark because they just want power. And if they know that you're not, your soul isn't wired that way you don't end up on the satanic path. So again, like a lot of these were just, just kind of tests. I felt like they were just kind of tests. Just kind of like I got a call from a Zazel one time. You know, Zanes, the angel of death, right. Azazel calls. And then like a day or two later my grandmother passed away.
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Interviewer
When my grandma with the angel of death called yourself?
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Sean Stone
Yeah, well, it's like it now. I mean it basically identified itself as a Zazel.
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Interviewer
And what did you say?
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Sean Stone
No, I just, I knew what his nasal was. So I knew a spirit of death was around. And then like I said, my grandmother passed like I think within, within one or two days of that call. So I was like, wow, okay, what,
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Interviewer
what did the angel of death say on the phone?
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Sean Stone
It wasn't, I don't remember. Like again, it was, it wasn't like I remember specifically an announcement of something. It was just more of like in that time period again, it was getting so many calls from these things, like wanting my soul. And sometimes it was witches cackling like, you know, come play with us. Like come, you know, come join us sometimes. It was one time and it's funny, I played this on Alex Jones show actually back in 2012. It was a call from again 666 and they were doing ball worship. They're like calling on ball and they were like. It sounded like they were doing a ritual. These demonic voices are like ball la la. You know, they're doing a ritual on this. Yeah, on, on the phone call. So it was almost like they were. They were trying to, like, engage my energy for what they were doing. You see, that's goes back to the question around the dark side wants more energy because, again, it's disconnected from God. Well, I mean, is it disconnected? Let's just say they're more disconnected. I don't think anything is disconnected from God. My perception is it's all God's universe. So I don't think the dark. I think the dark still ultimately serves the Creator's intention. I don't think you can. You can't divorce yourself from the universe. But let's just say their frequency is lower. So they're drawing upon higher vibrational energy to try to. Right, to try to draw us down. That's the battle, right? It's like, how many of those of the light can we bring to the dark? How many can we sink to our level or if we can't. They stopped after 2012, after my last degree of initiation. And after 2012, I never got calls again. So I just felt like it was this kind of testing phase. And it's like, okay, you don't belong to us. Who knows? Maybe they've taken new forms and, you know, not saying everything. Like, life is obviously full of challenges. So I think the dark can manifest in different ways. But for me, it was like, it was a very overt confrontation with something that people would think is, you know, a fairy tale until you've lived it.
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Interviewer
Do you think other people at the lodge, the Cornerstone Lodge in New York, were having similar experiences?
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Sean Stone
Well, I mean, I know the person I went with did, but like, some of the other guys that I know, I don't think they. Anything changed in their life because, again, I mean, we all have different paths, right? We all do. Like, you know, my. My path was frankly initiatory. I wanted to explore these things. You know, I went all the way to Iran just to talk to, you know, guys that were talking to jinns and trying to understand how the world, you know, is working.
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Interviewer
Right. What drove you?
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Sean Stone
Yeah, just.
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Interviewer
Well, you grew up in a materialistic society in Southern California where the possibility of this stuff was not discussed. I would.
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Sean Stone
Well, no, I mean, I went. I wasn't. You know, my dad took me to India and Tibet when I was, you know, nine, no, 10. And, you know, we went to the Himalayas and went to, like, visit, you know, Tibetan monasteries that we went to. What's that? The Patala Palace. And, you know, they depict demons and stuff very overtly in the. In the Iconography, right. If you look at the artwork, right, Of Tibet, Nepal, the Buddhist cultures and even Hindus, right, Like, you know, they understand that there's demons and angels and. Well, they wouldn't call it. They wouldn't call it angels, I guess, but like demigods, right? I mean, they would describe, like demigods, right? More, you know, angelic, more divine, powerful beings. And then you've see like the dark faces of the demonic realm. They look at everything, I think, as like different temptation. So it's like you have to get comfortable. You have to face the demon. You know, you can't. If you, if you hide it, that it gets scarier. Just like in a horror film, right? It's always scarier. And you don't know where the monster is. Once you can. Once you can face the monster, you take away its power. Or as, you know, as going back to the dream demon, the Freddy Krueger, it's like I, you know, I take my power back. I'm not afraid of you anymore. That's the only way to defeat the monster.
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Interviewer
I believe that. Yeah. Fear and hate also feed the demons.
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Sean Stone
Yeah. Well, my dad made a whole film. Natural Born Killer is kind of about these. This thing, you know, it's pretty interesting. I mean, that's Born Killers. If you watch it as two demon possessed people, which is really what they are. The main characters, Mickey, the main, you know, is as. He's been abused by his father who kills himself. His. He's been physically abused by his father. The Juliette Lewis character has been sexually abused by her father. And it's like all this kind of chaotic American media, you know, glorification of these two serial killers. But they're going through their journey of hell basically like a hellscape, until they find that love, love kills the demon, right? That's their salvation is through love. But if you watch the movie, it's just like two demon possessed people. It's pretty interesting.
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Interviewer
and fear feed dark forces, spiritual forces,
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Sean Stone
unconscious hate, you know, I think there's healthy. There's healthy. We hate certain things that we find intolerable.
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Interviewer
Right?
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Sean Stone
But if we hate the person, if we demonize, right, That's. That's feeding, wanting to hurt other people, Right.
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Interviewer
You know, having malice toward others.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, exactly.
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Interviewer
And then fear being terrorized. If those are both spiritual foods for demons, how should we understand our government's concerted effort over many years to make us terrified and hateful?
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Sean Stone
Not just the government, media again, media with it. Right? Like media and government Working hand in hand.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
I mean, those kind of are the messages, really.
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Sean Stone
Yeah.
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Interviewer
of and there's someone you should hate. Yeah, you're required to hate.
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Sean Stone
Well, think about the nature of the Masonic Lodges. There's the Red Lodge and the Blue Lodge.
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Interviewer
I don't know anything.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, that's so that's the, the famous, like there's like, there's a, there's the Blue Lodge, which is more like the French ancestry. The Scottish rite is the Red Lodge. And so think about like the Bloods and the Bloods and Crips, the Democrats and the Republicans as red and blue.
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Interviewer
Also the Bloods and the Crips, Red
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Sean Stone
and the Blood in the Crips. So like this whole idea of, you know, art, but people articulate as two wings of the same bird, ultimately it's like both are there to govern your mentality, government govern your mind. Right. So it's like, do we want, you know, do we want more laissez faire? Well, Republicans are supposed to be more libertarian, more constitutional, more like let you know, but they don't. But they tend to just, you know, end up spending as much as the blue team. You know, both obviously are just dependent on the same Federal Reserve System. Right. So you could say, like, we've been captured by the federal, you know, by this debt slavery, this debt slave Federal reserve system since 1913, which is again, right around the time that, well, as we know, the income tax came in, which, yeah, totally unconstitutional. And, and then also the, the First World War begins and the British bring us into their, their empire because, you know, more formally, because before that we were, you know, we were not supposed to be part of the European game. We focused on, you know, the Monroe Doctrine was about, you know, focusing on our hemisphere. Right. Bringing the republic, you know, our republic as a model, you know, for this region and protecting this region from the imperialists of Europe, be it, you know, French, British. I mean, remember during the, during the Civil War, Mexico had an, had a, had a coup by the French and the British Empire actually couped the Mexican government right around the same time they were trying to install their puppet there.
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Interviewer
Yeah, yeah.
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Sean Stone
Didn't work out. But Mexico then, you know, again, there's all kinds of puppeteering that goes on, as we know, through the different forces financially. So that's really, I think the key is like America wanting to be a republic independent of the European empires. With the First World War, Wilson made a huge decision which I think was a huge blunder, committing us to that war. We should have been an arbiter. We should have said, you know, we're not in favor of either empire going to just arbitrate, you know, a peace deal and should have stayed neutral. But we didn't. We committed ourselves to the British Empire and we set up obviously as a result of that with the Versailles Treaty, you know, the hurt so many people. The Second World War followed and we, you know, obviously again you can get into the whole history of the financiers behind you know, Hitler and his rise to power. And so it was like we're going to play you know, Germany against you know, the Soviets who also got financial support from, from us. So it's, it's the, you know, it became a financiers game. And that's why I say like the power behind the scenes really to me is, is the financial empire. And you know the Rothschilds are obviously a part of that. I don't think they are the be all end all of it. But they're a very important force financially. City of London is a very important force. And the Federal Reserve system which is spawned from that central banking system of England. So that's when we talk about like what, you know, who's, who's the, the American federal government serving. It's been serving. It's you know, the, the expansion of a debt slavery monetary system. Right. Because we're borrowing money every time we, they, they, you know, they're printing money but that they're not, they don't own it. It's not like it's not constitutional money. In the Constitution. Gold and silver is constitutional money. Everything else is these paper money notes are promissory notes. That's why it's a Federal Reserve note. When you see a dollar bill says Federal Reserve Note, it's a promissory note. Promise to pay.
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Interviewer
Yeah, right.
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Sean Stone
So it's all like, it's all debt and we're just racking up you know, as we know, whatever at 38, 40
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Interviewer
trillion, I don't know, some unpayable amount doesn't matter.
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Sean Stone
I mean, exactly. It's, it's not going to be, you know, we have to re reconfigure this.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
But it raises a question.
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Interviewer
So if individuals can make a deal with supernatural forces to serve them in exchange for, for temporal power, for success in this life, money and authority. And that's clearly true. Can nations do the same?
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Sean Stone
I think so. I think it's, it's a, it's a kind of. Well yeah, I mean again it's like the power of belief, right. As a nation and either. So we can go back to John D, for example, Anaki and magic.
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Interviewer
Who is John D?
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Sean Stone
So John D was. He was basically like the head of intelligence for Queen Elizabeth right at the beginning of the British empire.
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Interviewer
Elizabeth the First.
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Sean Stone
Elizabeth the First. Yeah, sorry, go back in time to the 1580s. Yeah, exactly, the 1580s. And. And D is the orig007. That's how he signed his. His signature. So Bond is actually inspired from John D. And he was into magic. He basically was working these. What they call the Nokian magic because again, derived probably from the book of Enoch, but he was communing with these beings watchers, what he considered angels. But. And he had this, you know, these incantations and he was summoning spirits, he was working with spirits. And the theory is basically the Shakespearean Tempest play is inspired from John Dee as the. The wizard in the story is basically John D. That he essentially made the deal for the British Empire to become the most powerful empire in the world. And it begins with the sinking in the Spanish Armada, which again, as everyone knows, it was like there was a freak. It was a massive storm begun in a tempest. In a tempest that basically, you know, helped to sink that. Their. Their plans and their fleet. And yeah, the theory is that he basically made the deal to, you know, for the British Empire, but the deal requires certain level of blood sacrifice. And you know, some people say that we've inherited the British Empire and those demons, essentially those same deals.
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Interviewer
I can't.
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Sean Stone
Especially since 45. Since the end of the Second World War.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
It is interesting if you think about it.
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Interviewer
So here you have this island nation with a pretty small population, take over the entire world.
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Sean Stone
A quarter of the planet was under there.
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Interviewer
That's right. So, yeah. Largest empire, some ways the most amazing empire, but certainly a vast empire. How'd they do that?
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Sean Stone
Yeah, I mean, it's more than guns, germs and steel. Right. I mean it's a. Economically, the financial component is fascinating. You know, how they. How they were able to obviously, you know, do it, you know, with the shipping and whatnot, insurance on shipping and you know, they controlled, you know, when they controlled the seas of the Western world, all the way to India, even to China. Right. They. They even. They were able to control the seas and then they can. They basically would trade. You know, they had the certain traffic where they would, you know, they would take the cotton. They would buy the cotton cheap from, you know, slave labor in America, sell it over, you know, Sell it over and you know, across their empire in India. Buy the tea there. Buy the, the tea and the opium from there, from Afghanistan, which was under India at the time, and then dump the opium on the Chinese and get the silver for that. It's a pretty good trade, right? It's a pretty good deal.
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Interviewer
But the core power you believe came from a deal?
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Sean Stone
Well, what I, I, I see the world is like, it's a both, it's a spiritual and a material reflection of each other. So it's. So what I believe is like when people understand how these workings happen. It's like if you have an intention and you, let's say, undertake a magical working that has enough belief behind it, let's say enough energy behind can manifest in physical form. And this is the nature of magic. So to me, there's always two paths with magic. See, Christ says, thy will be done, which is the Creator's will. The, the magic of what I would say like the dark side is my will be done. And that's what like Aleister Crowley and other people like this.
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Interviewer
Yes.
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Sean Stone
You know, Crowley said he was an incarnation reincarnation of the guy working with John D. In the magical ceremony. So their mentality is love is under will. So basically, like love is not the primordial power of creation. For them, individual ego, will is more important than love.
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Interviewer
That's a dead end.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
It's interesting because it points to something
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Interviewer
that I think all of us feel, which is that there's something dark about success.
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Sean Stone
It can be, you know, there's that
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
famous line, show me the fortune and
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Interviewer
I'll show you the crime.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, Balzac.
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Interviewer
Yeah, Balzac is really reason enough to learn to read French. It's just an amazingly hilarious, insightful perigoro. Is one of the great novel.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
Anyway. Yeah, Balzac, show me the fortune, I'll
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Interviewer
show you the crime. So
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that resonates because.
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Interviewer
And this not to attack all rich people. I mean we're both, I guess, by
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some standards rich people.
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Sean Stone
But there's a whole other level.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
There's a whole.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Sean Stone
I mean, when you're, but again, you're talking dynastic people that have like, you know, made fortunes on again, dump. Selling, selling opium to the Chinese and you know, or selling slaves or selling weapons or, you know, financing wars like the Rothchilds. I mean that's something, that's a level of crime, you know, and, or pimping people like, you know, like Epstein you know, types, you know, pimping girls and boys.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
But that's That's a whole other level of.
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Interviewer
Of grand success in this world.
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Sean Stone
Yes.
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Interviewer
I mean, that's maybe the reason that Jesus says it's harder for a rich man to get to heaven than a camel through the eye of a needle.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
There's something about it. And maybe that something is the deal
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Interviewer
that is inevitably made with satanic forces in order to get whatever that success is.
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Sean Stone
You know, how many times that.
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Interviewer
A crazy hypothesis.
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Sean Stone
You know, people tell me, like, the Mexican cartels are doing straight black magic.
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Interviewer
They are. Right.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
That's a fact.
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Sean Stone
Right. And I mean, imagine like these are people that are trafficking humans. They're trafficking, you know, drugs. They're. They're killing. They're. They're cutting off heads. They're killing with impunity.
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Interviewer
I mean, and not just killing, but torturing and tor.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
So that, to me is always a
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Interviewer
sign that there's something religious going on. So you torture others for one of two reasons. Either to elicit information. You know, I'm going to waterboard you tell. You tell me where the terrorists are,
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Sean Stone
which unfortunately, as we know, is not necessarily accurate information.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
No, no, it's not. It's not. But like, okay, but as a motive.
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Sean Stone
Yeah.
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Interviewer
Or you're doing it for its own
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sake because there's something about human suffering
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Interviewer
that brings you power. And that's when we touch and pleasure, which is another.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
And maybe adrenochrome.
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Sean Stone
And that's.
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Interviewer
Certain cases are bumping up against the supernatural realm. Right.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
Because why would you. If you're going to kill somebody, why
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Interviewer
would you torture them first? But they always do.
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Sean Stone
But see, I would posit it more that when are we not in the supernatural? See, I think that's. That's the shift in consciousness that is required. The great awakening is that we're, you know, people have talked about, especially since co is like, oh, no, we're having one.
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Interviewer
There's no doubt.
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Sean Stone
We are always under the eyes. Like, we are always living a supernatural experience. We just. We haven't thought that way. We've been trained to think of it as a material existence.
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Interviewer
Yes.
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Sean Stone
And the shift now is to say no.
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Interviewer
It's.
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Sean Stone
We're. Everything we do has. Has supernatural ramification because it's always choice between serving, you know, again, serving higher self, let's call it, and serving ego. That's, to me, like, that's the. The eternal battle. Every choice we make, every. And you know, it's small decisions, big decisions, all this. It all counts. And obviously small decisions probably won't have the greater impact than a bigger decision Will. But if we can shift our consciousness to start realizing how I behave at every moment, is it aligned with my higher version of self or not? This is what we have to do to achieve a better world. If we want to shift into a better reality, you know, then that falls upon us to say, am I following my heart? Am I listening to my heart? Am I listening to intuition? Am I being, you know, am I being moral and good in this moment? You know, and I don't. You know, I don't think that's the whole point. None of us are perfect, but the whole point of the Christ model is it's a model for us. You know, this is the way of perfection. Listen to. Listen to the words, try to imitate the Christ. And I think we would have a much healthier reality.
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Interviewer
Yeah. And I mean, Jesus is really clear that every word you utter, every word will be used to judge you. Like, every word matters.
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Sean Stone
Exactly. It's all. It's all. It's all life force. It's. It begins with thought. That's why, like, even the Buddhists, you know, the ancient religions, they always write thought, work on your thoughts to then correct your speech, to then, you know, change your actions. So it all builds in that exact
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Interviewer
same passage where he says, you know, the evil heart produces evil actions. Yeah. No, it's. It's so. Right. So that brings us to the United States, which is the heir to the British Empire. So if the British Empire was the product of this deal that John Dee made to bring the tempest to destroy the Spanish Armada, launch Britain into control of the west, and then that control ends in 1945 with the dropping of the atom bombs, roughly speaking. So where does that put the United States government?
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Sean Stone
I mean, we've been subsumed by the New World Order ideology. And for a long time now, the New World Order ideology came out of the British Empire. It wasn't a conspiracy theory. It was their own language. Because I went back when I was doing my history thesis at college, and I was, like, reading some of the minutes of these conferences. They kept saying New World Order. It was their own language. They wanted to basically continue the empire in a more informal way because they realized the empire was, you know, it was getting a lot of flak, right? They couldn't sustain it militarily. They didn't have the manpower. They wanted to bring America. And clearly, as I meant Cecil Rhodes, who was, you know, the great imperialist of South Africa, Rhodesia, getting the diamond mines set up and the gold mines and whatnot, and his bet his benefactor was Lord Rothschild. And Rhodes was in his will saying, we want to reclaim the Holy Lands and we want to bring America back basically within the Empire. So that was the agenda from the end of the 19th century. Bringing America to be like the military might of the Western financial system. Right? That takes place clearly between World War I and World War II, as you said, we then take over for the British Empire all of its former colonies and the French colonies, including Vietnam, you know, why do we end up in Vietnam War? It's a French colony.
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Interviewer
Indochina.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, yeah, Indochina. Why do we, you know, take on Turkey and Greece, you know, to defend against the Soviets, that's all. The British imperial realm, the Middle east again, the French and British carved up the Middle East. All these countries are essentially, you know, creations of the British and the French. So we inherit the empire and basically ally with this idea of, of, you know, the war, the world ma. The world game. Russia had been the enemy of the British. They became our enemy. And that's a whole complicated issue. But essentially, you know, partly it's, it's dynastic families, you know, wanting the wealth of the others. And that's perhaps why they, they cooed the Tsar, you know, to get their, their fortune and get them out of power and put the Soviets in partly as an experiment, partly as a way to keep the Russia out of, I don't know, I guess you could say, like separated from the Western world to create like an enemy going forward. Because as we know, we backed Hitler at the beginning to go against Russia. That was the whole deal was like, you're going to fight the Russians kind of like we backed Iraq to fight the Iranians in the 80s. You know, it's the old divide and conquer technique. So, yeah, so Russia had been the British enemy. We, we inherited that and then we basically bought into the New World Order ideology. That's why we kept going into this globalist mentality for decades, you know, of committing our.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
But there's a supernatural element too.
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Interviewer
It seems obvious. It was only in the last year, after a lifetime of living next to it, that I realized. The Pentagon is in the shape of a pentagram.
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Sean Stone
Yes, yes.
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Interviewer
Why of all potential architectural designs, would you put your headquarter, your military in a pentagram?
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Sean Stone
Again, the stars that soldiers wear. It's like as, you know, like if you've seen movies or whatnot, like the pentagram is, or Pentagon. Pentagram is a very common image for. Can be for protection. There's, there's an invoke, there's an invocation of protection through it. And then there's also the inverted pentagram, which is oftentimes used for sacrifice. Like you'll, you'll see again, like, you'll see it in films. Right. Where they'll put the Pentagon pentagram on the floor and within a circle and then they'll do a ritual sacrifice within it.
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Interviewer
Well, it's the central image of Satanism.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, exactly. The inverted, the inverted horns.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Sean Stone
It's like the horns seen version of the pentagram. So again, it's, it's, it can be used either way.
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Interviewer
Symbolism, I notice in our, our culture, for some reason people are waking up,
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
but it's, we went through this period where, you know, for all of history, symbols really matter. Yeah, they really matter.
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Interviewer
Yeah. In a lot of world, they still matter.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
And then in the west, for the last 80 years, symbols are just null and void.
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Interviewer
Like your average person is not allowed to notice the symbolism in anything.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, yeah, no, we have to.
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Interviewer
Poetry dies, metaphor dies.
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Sean Stone
Exactly.
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Interviewer
The spirit, spiritual life withers. And we just don't notice that. Our military is headquartered in a building called the Pentagon.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
And by the way, I'd learned this
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Interviewer
from you at breakfast this morning. I have no idea what it means, but I was amazed to learn that the cornerstone of the Pentagon was laid on September 11, 1941, 60 years to the day that the flight was Flight 77, I think, was flown into it.
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Sean Stone
77 is. 77 is a magical number too. So, you know, again, I think of these events as mass rituals.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
I mean, I'm, look, I, I just learned this this morning, eating my omelet. So I, I haven't thought about it at all, but I, I, that's kind of the point I'm making. Yeah, I heard that plane, I was
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Interviewer
close enough to hear the plane or whatever. I heard that.
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Sean Stone
Yeah.
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Interviewer
Impact of something.
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Sean Stone
Well, we never saw the video. Right.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
I'm aware.
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Sean Stone
Never.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
I'm aware the whole thing is bizarre. But, but I'm only making the point that I was very aware that it
- [73:12]
Interviewer
happened, I had a friend on that plane, etc. Etc.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
Why am I now, 25 years later,
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Interviewer
for the first time learning that the Pentagon cornerstone was laid on September 11, 1941?
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Sean Stone
No.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
Like you'd think in the coverage of it they'd be like, hey, this is kind of.
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Sean Stone
This kind of. Yeah, the 60th anniversary. You'd think so, right?
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
I never heard that. Did you know that?
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Sean Stone
Yeah, I'd read, I'd read about it, but I don't think I.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
Time was that like on World News Tonight.
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Sean Stone
At the time, I mean, I, I was, I was as clueless at the time when it happened, I just thought, I look, here's all I knew about 911 was that nothing made sense because I was in Somaliland in the summer, in July, and we got notices from the State Department faxed, saying, you know, be careful to all foreign, all nationals, all American nationals abroad. Like, there's basically like, rumor around, like a terrorist plot. So be like, be a high alert.
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Interviewer
I was in Maine that summer and they didn't send us any notice at all.
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Sean Stone
I guess I should have been in Somaliland, so. So, I mean, we already were like, kind of. It was like, oh, it's interesting that we got the notice that obviously some intel. Intel, Something's coming across. Intel, you know, channels to say that. And I'm not sure if anyone ever reported on that in the, you know, in the investigation of like, the intelligence labs. But again, I just, I never believed the official story and that the more I looked at it, the more it just didn't add up. You know, the takedown of the towers by, I mean, just structurally speaking, you know, you have, you know that the plane hit the. The Empire State building back in 46. Do you remember that?
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Interviewer
Yeah, of course.
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Sean Stone
You know, it was a military plane at the time, and bomber, bomber in a collapse.
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Interviewer
Well, Donald Trump is on tape on the morning of 911 saying, I can't.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
I don't know how could that have happened?
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Interviewer
I know those buildings well.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
I was there when they were built
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Interviewer
in the early 70s. And the steel in those things is stronger than any building in New York. And there's no way.
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Sean Stone
But now you think about the nature of ritual. And what was created was a holocaust, which is literally a mass burning. And this is. I don't know if you remember the movie called Wicker Man. Wicker man, it was. It was kind of a film about these pagan Satanists right now, who they do a. A ritual around one of the equinoxes. I think it was like a summer equinox. And they do like a. They have. This guy is in this town realizing that these guys are witches, and all of a sudden he finds himself inside of this massive Wicker man being burned alive. And it's played out every summer, by the way, in a festival called Burning Man. Yeah. Here in Nevada, I guess, right in the desert. The Burning man ritual, the burning of the man annually. So, I mean, this. Again, these are ritual things that people partake in without understanding what they're giving their energy to.
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Interviewer
That's exactly right.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
So, I mean, up until the Second
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Interviewer
World War, it would have been obvious to every Western man that life revolves around ritual. And that ritual describes to us concepts that our brains are not capable of fully grasping. You know, the communion in Christianity, it's like, yeah, there's a great debate over exactly what that is, but it's the center to the practice of the religion,
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
and it doesn't make any sense from
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Interviewer
a scientific point of view. You're ingesting the flesh and blood of Jesus, like, what? But to Christians, again, it's. It's the Holy Eucharist.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
And that makes sense to people because
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Interviewer
there's no other way to describe the things that are.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
Of this life that are that profound.
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Interviewer
So. Yeah, but our understanding of how central ritual is to life has just been stripped from us completely. So we. We totally miss it. We don't even know that the Pentagon
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
gets hit on the 60th anniversary of ITS.
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Interviewer
Of the beginning of its construction. That's so bad.
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Sean Stone
Well, you think about the nature of. Well, first of all, like, television has a lot of. It has, like, disrupted, like, ritual cycles and whatnot. Like the cycles of our, you know, of our energy of going down with the sunset, like, you know, coming in, sitting around the hearth, telling stories.
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Interviewer
Yes.
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Sean Stone
Listening to the spirit, to the. Again, being more connected to the spiritual world. Now, the spiritual world does come in through television. It's just not the way we imagine it because we think this is like something different, but it's all going into our psyche. And so the. As, you know, the brain, it's processing it the same, you know, how do you say, it's processing and taking this information just as it would reality? So it's a. It's. It's definitely affecting the way we interface with reality.
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Interviewer
Yes.
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Sean Stone
And. And again, this goes back to what we talk about. The power of the magic of media. And I think, you know, people that are storytelling, they, you know, they can be. Some are. Some are practicing darkness. I think others are practicing light. And I think there's those that are just unaware, unconsciously perpetuating things. But there does seem to be something very dark in Hollywood, and it's. It's like a subversion.
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Interviewer
You grew up there, so did you sense that?
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Sean Stone
What I sense with Hollywood is. There's definitely more. Like, there's definitely, like, let's be clear, there's definitely a Babylonian quality to it. Right. There's definitely people ranking.
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Interviewer
Oh, okay.
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Sean Stone
There's debauchery. I mean, you know, it's like everyone Knew Harvey Weinstein was a monster.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Sean Stone
Not just with women. He was a monster with business.
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Interviewer
Course. And I, I knew him. I knew that.
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Sean Stone
Right. I mean, everyone knew that he was. But he was just accepted. And it's just like kind of like the casting couch. It's just like, oh, it's just accepted. This is the way things are. You know, the Epstein. I'm sure people, you know, I'm sure a lot of people knew what Epstein was. I. I never heard about him be, you know, before 20, whatever, 16, 17, 18, in that time frame. But, like, I'm sure a lot of people that were around him just knew, like, oh, yeah, you know, he's into this or he's into that. Because it's. People talk. Right. But it's amazing how unless you're part of those circles, you don't really know what's going on. And that's why to this day, people will say, well, jfk, the assassination, it must, you know, they couldn't have kept the secret. I'm like, people in the know have talked, but you're just not in the know because it hasn't been perpetuated through media. So unless it gets perpetuated through media, we don't hear about it and we don't think it exists.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
Yeah, I mean, that.
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Interviewer
You just said the truest thing that I didn't understand until later in life, even though I spent my whole life in the media. The idea that, like, if it's more than two people, no one can keep a secret. Well, none of these secrets have been kept. They're all out there. I've heard a lot of this stuff a million times. I just discounted it. And it was not part of the prevailing story we were told. So I just didn't think it was real.
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Sean Stone
Like, didn't. Wasn't it? Not Cardi B. What's her name? One of these rappers just came out talking about, like, all this stuff in the Epstein. They're eating, she said, in the music industry, they're. They're. They're eating babies and drinking blood, y'. All. You know. Which. Which rapper was it? Was it Cardi or.
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Interviewer
I don't know. It was. Every week there's a new rapper.
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Sean Stone
Yeah.
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Interviewer
The truth. But no one takes them seriously because they're rappers.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, exactly. But she said something this effect. And, you know, like, Mariah Carey's sister said that, you know, she was a kid, she grew up. She talked about it before she died. Mariah Carey's sister. And it's in the best kept Secret docu series that I put out. But basically she said, like, she grew up with things that were like, done that were, you know, indescribably horrible, you know, like you can't fathom. And she, she died like a few years after that. She. But she came out saying it. Well, people will sometimes come out and say things and it'll be like a blip. And I think this is my way of thinking is more like if in the middle of the night I see something fly across the sky, which I've done, like driving in Beverly Hills, driving home at like 2 in the morning, I saw like a craft, you know, fly overhead. Not so fast. It was more like a. It was almost. I don't want to say like it almost would be like an advanced version of a stealth bomber. It wasn't a stealth bomber, but it was like a craft that was moving very fast, low to the ground, right over Beverly Hills. So I look at that and go, okay, I've just glimpsed reality. Someone else might go, that's just crazy. I'm just going to ignore that.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Sean Stone
You know, so to me, I'm like, okay, this is, this is, this is what's really going on. I want to look over here now. And that's just the way that I see things. And other people will just be like, I once saw a ufo. But you know what, that's just so crazy. I'm just going to go back to the mundane world.
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Interviewer
Exactly right. That's exactly right.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
But big picture of people trying to.
- [82:06]
Interviewer
Are trying to understand, not simply are
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
they eating babies, but why would someone
- [82:12]
Interviewer
do something like that? Yeah. Well, you get to the nature of the deal that every person faces, I think, the potential, which is the same as the temptation of Jesus, bow down before me and all this will be yours. Yeah, but in exchange for whatever, you're getting bloodshed.
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Sean Stone
Yeah.
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Interviewer
Is the cost.
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Sean Stone
Yeah. Because depravity, it's like, you know, once you've. Once you've. It's like the dog that's like tasted blood. Right. It's the, you know, you can't go back. You've. You've crossed a threshold. You've crossed a barrier that we're not supposed to cross. Right. Thou shall not kill. Okay, well, if you do, you're probably gonna have remorse. If you do it just, you know, especially just for defense purposes, you're still probably gonna have some level of remorse. I know. Sociopaths don't.
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Interviewer
No, that's right.
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Sean Stone
So there's like a whole other caliber of psychology and maybe demon possession there. But as humans, we would have remorse. But once you've gone back, you can't take that back, can you? Like you stained your soul. That's something that you can't. You know, you can steal something and make amends. You can, you know, you can. All crime is theft, but there's different degrees of theft, right? You can steal people's time, you can steal their energy, you can steal belongings. But if you steal life, there's no. How do you return that?
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Interviewer
There's no restitution.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
I'm extrapolating out to the, you know,
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Interviewer
to the scale of empire here and trying to understand why empires tend to commit themselves to war even when they don't get anything out of it.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
And I.
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Sean Stone
And someone's getting out of it.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
I mean, I just wonder though if,
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Interviewer
like, the cost of staying on top isn't killing people just by its nature.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, well, again, I mean, different arguments. I mean, you go back to like, what was the point of Vietnam? You know, if Vietnam fell to the communists, like, what the heck does that have to do with anything?
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
What's the point of the Russia, Ukraine, war?
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Interviewer
Why would you want to keep that going? The only thing that you're getting out
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
of that is, you know, weapons testing
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Interviewer
and money transfers and all stuff. But ultimately what you're getting is millions of dead people. Yes, maybe that's the point. Maybe it is blood sacrifice.
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Sean Stone
Right? Right. To a degree. I think that's from a higher perspective. There does seem to be truth to that. And I think, look, this is a realm of mind, right? We've since the fall of Adam and Eve, we fell into mind. So before this, there was order, there was perfect, it was perfectly guided, let's say. And then we fell. That story is not just Adam and Eve. It's Atlantis. It's all these things, right? They fell into the mind.
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Interviewer
What does that mean, the mind?
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Sean Stone
Everything we experience is the mind. We don't know anything outside of our own minds, right?
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Interviewer
So before the fall, we existed.
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Sean Stone
Well, we didn't have. Well, I mean, presumably we, we if, if we trusted, like the Lord basically just had perfected and ordered everything. We didn't have choice. We didn't have free will, we didn't have mind. We didn't have anything to mirror. We saw ourselves for the first time. The mind is like a mirror. Self awareness. I am separate from you. If everything before that, it was just oneness, right? It was just, you know, you just. You knew you, you were you, you could be. I mean, it's kind of like an angelic order, let's say. I mean, again, we're making assumptions here, but essentially what we know is that with self awareness comes this idea of separation. And so we are in a realm of mind where everything gets mirrored in some way. Every thought has to, has to.
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Interviewer
With self awareness comes separation.
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Sean Stone
That is, yeah, the illusion of separation. I mean, ultimately, I believe that we're all from the same oneness and I believe it's God's universe. So there's really nothing to be afraid of.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Sean Stone
Because we're all, you know, if we choose, we, we can go, we can, you know, ascend higher, we can go back to the light. But there's no. The illusion of separation is that it's just an illusion. Our ego feels separate. Our ego feels like, you know, I'm me, this is my body, this is my name, this is what I've done. So that's why I say it's a battle between ego and higher self. Higher self is like, no, we're just instruments of the Creator. I can let go of ego now. I don't have to feel like anything belongs to me. Anything I do is, you know, not mine. You know, glory to the Creator. We're just instruments here. We're just playing our roles. And yes, you know, hopefully this is. Well, I believe, you know, this is all for our evolution and understanding and recognizing, hopefully developing more empathy, more, you know, more compassion, more love. That should be, you know, I think our goal on this planet. But yeah, in the realm of mind. Mind has to go somewhere. So if I have hateful thoughts, it has to go somewhere. Does it project? How does it, how does it. As we know, like five hateful thoughts or angry thoughts. It has to. It's going to be the way I treat my children, my loved ones, my family, my friends. It's going to go somewhere. It's going to go into war. It's going to manifest somewhere.
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Interviewer
Yeah, right.
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Sean Stone
And that's where we are still. We're in a place of strong polarity.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Sean Stone
Everything is being, you know, as lighted as it is, as dark it is, as it is in this realm. So it has like that energy has to go into, into war until we clean up our thoughts and stop hating each other. Until then we're going to have war.
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Interviewer
But there's also a sense in which bloodshed, war, violence, killing is the food that keeps the dark energy.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, but it starts with us. It starts with us. Like every, like that's the whole. That's the, that's why I just say, like, the good news is they don't have any power unless we give it to them. If we give them power, if we give them attention, if we give them energy, if we feed them our fear. That's what Christ was saying. Let, you know, let go of the fear. Just have faith. Let faith replace. Replace the fear. And that was what I had to go through in my, you know, two, three year journey of like, having these dark experiences and like, being haunted by things that were like, energetically tan, like, tangible. My reality was like, okay, I surrender. Like, I surrender to the higher power. I have faith, so you can't have my soul because it doesn't belong to you. And I think that's the point is if every one of us just in our own lives takes inventory, okay, let we have fears. It's, you know, it's natural. Some fears are like, deep, right? And paranoid. Others are, you know, just existential. Like, there's a. There's a predator, there's a threat, okay? But if we can, like, face our fears, own our fears, and find deeper faith, we will create a better reality because the dark will have less food. It's our choice.
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Interviewer
Does it feel like some social media are designed to inspire fear and hate?
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Sean Stone
Of course. Because again, it's just. It's being perpetuated through, through people that are unconscious. I would say, like the. I don't think there's that many, like, dark sorcerers in the world. I think there are a few. I think there are definitely some people that, that commune and know what they're doing, you know, like ritualistically. But I think most people are just unconscious and they're just seeking worldly delight, worldly temptation, worldly power.
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Interviewer
Yes, right.
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Sean Stone
And they're just unconsciously. Not sure why, but they're just like, well, that seems safe. You know, I don't want to lose my. I don't want to lose what I have. I don't want to, you know, I want to maintain and preserve. But you can't. This world is ephemeral. It's passing, right? We know this. It's the way it's designed. We're supposed to be able to let go and again, commune with a higher power. And that's the greater energy. And that actually was what really preserves you. That's when you get to that place of, you know, what the saints and things, people like that can glow and that can actually like, emit, you know, emit light. Right? You know, the, you know, all these examples of what, like what Christ is this is where we're supposed to. We're supposed to imitate, is to try to bring more light into the world. And so if we're not. How do you say, if people are not there, but they're putting out these things, they're just reflecting themselves. So a lot of these. Going back to Hollywood, like, a lot of these creators are just. That's the level that they're at. Their consciousness is at that level. Their consciousness is full of, you know, their mind is full of, you name it, perversion, negativity, angst, fear. So they're perpetuating that. They're not coming from a higher modality. They're not coming from a higher place. But it's just that's. They can only reflect what they are.
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Interviewer
Do you think it's more obvious in Hollywood than in other places?
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Sean Stone
At power centers? I mean, there's a lot of power centers. London is. London is a power center. Hollywood's a power center. New York's a power center. I mean, every city is like a hub because how much energy gets, you know, how do you say it? Like, there's so many more people there. There's so much more attention. But obviously, Hollywood is this magnifier of, you know, of consciousness. And so I think that wherever the consciousness goes, even collectively, you could say Hollywood shifts accordingly. I don't think Hollywood itself is, you know, like, they're sitting there going like, this is the way it is. It's like they're a barometer of where consciousness is. And so it's. It's. How do you explain it? It's almost like reflecting each other. They put out darkness. People want that. They feed into it. That's where the collective is. The collective wants. Wants to experience this. They want to go into darkness. They want to go into. Experience the darkness. Okay. When you get to a certain point, you wake up, you say, I'm tired of the nightmare. And I think that's where we are. That's what the awakening means. I'm sorry. You know, it's like people saying, okay, you know what? Enough of the nightmare. Let's change the story. And people rejecting Hollywood accordingly and saying, yeah, unless you guys shift the narratives, we're not going to watch your content anymore. The more we shift, the more Hollywood will shift. So it's, It's. It's a dance. Hollywood can't, cannot survive without the audience. You cannot, you know, drug dealers can't, can't survive without the drug addicts. We collectively have to shift our consciousness and everything will change.
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Interviewer
I Believe that I notice it with AI. Most people, including, I think the people who are creating AI aren't really exactly sure what it's going to be, what the effects are going to be. But the only publicity about AI that's coming out of the developers of AI is negative and terrifying. I've noticed since this, for the last three or four years, there's been no real effort to explain to you or me or anyone how this is going to be great for us. And a lot of effort put into telling us this is going to end everything that we love, including human autonomy, our jobs, our economy. It'll basically be a slave state run by machines. That's what they're telling us. The people who are making it are telling us that.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
And so my instinct is they're trying
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Interviewer
to terrify us for some reason. And it may just be because that feeds the dark spiritual powers that are creating. Creating it.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, I think, I think AI is just like everything. It's just both dark and light. You know, it's like the Internet, right? You can find the darkest things out there. You can find, you can find great information, right. You can find the books of the world if you want to read them. And it's just going to be a question of where human consciousness will take it. You know, again, I, I believe that, you know, again, because this is God's universe, I do have like a more positive view of like where all this is going. When we were post 9 11, it was a dark. I could feel the darkness, man. I could feel it before 9, 11, I could feel war coming from about 2000, the year 2000, 2001. I was like, feel like I could feel the energy of war and the darkness of the 2000s. I felt like war on terror was literally terror. It was, it was about terror. It was about terrorizing everybody. Yeah. You know, it was literally like terrorizing the.
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Interviewer
It was a war of terror.
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Sean Stone
Exactly.
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Interviewer
Yeah.
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Sean Stone
It was terror for everybody. The American public, the broad. So the, that era was like, you know, this shift in, in. In consciousness was, you know, again, was pretty dark phase. I think now we are almost like operating in different realities simultaneously, which is kind of cool, you know, and I think it's almost. I feel more like choose your adventure. What do you want to do with, you know, with technology? What do you want to do with the world, you know, that, that you're in and, and just trust that it's this, this is all like, this is all like for our evolution as souls to return, you know, to basically be reminded of the light, to return to the light, ultimately to reascend, I hope, you know, in time. I think that's, you know, that would be the. The goal, right, is to return to a state of. Of, you know, more closeness to God. That's. But you have to be separated to want to go back, right?
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Interviewer
A lot of people are looking forward to going back right now all of a sudden. So we're told that there's going to be some kind of disclosure about UAPs, UFOs by the federal government. What are UFOs?
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Sean Stone
So I think we have reverse engineer technology that's been talked about for a long time. Certainly, like Roswell is a famous incident from what my understanding of it. Something did crash and there was a huge military response. And then, you know, the idea of a weather balloon. And then they changed the story twice. It was originally like, yeah, weather balloon. And then it was like some other thing. They basically. The guy I like, they had the guy that was there initially. I can't remember the name. He was a military intel guy. He took it back to, like, his family, like a piece of the metal. And it was, it was like, very strong, but at the same time it was like you could actually like slightly bend it, but it would come back. And it was unlike any metal they'd ever seen. So this was, this, this was described by him and then his son, but he was basically forced to take the photo, the famous photo. I think his name was Marcel. Like, he was. Had the famous photo, like holding the. The weather balloon.
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Interviewer
Yep.
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Sean Stone
And to say, like, it was, it was just a weather balloon and like, he basically was forced to take that picture. I think since that time we've been reverse engineering. I've talked to way too many people who are part of black programs or, you know, I've seen, you know, we have a secret space program. The US Space Force is older than. Than Trump. Like, they basically brought it from, like the hidden to the more public side now. But for example, I talked to Dr. Fred Bell. Do you remember? Do you know him at all? Fred Bell was a very famous guy in the alien UFO community because he had worked with the government and he was also writing books about, like, alien technology and consciousness and things like this. Quantum physics. Brilliant guy. So we interviewed him for Conspiracy Theory, the show I used to do with Jesse Ventura. And he was talking about mind war, like using frequency for like, you know, affecting people's thoughts and being able to affect people at a distance right through various technologies. But off the record, he was like, I shouldn't tell you guys this because my CIA, my CIA handler would not be happy with me, but I've been to the one of like some of these underground military facilities and he's like, I've even met what you would call like a gray alien. Like, he's like, I shook hands with one, you know, and he's like, they're, you know, they're down there, like in these facilities. We have these, these joint partnerships. Within 24 hours of that conversation, off the record, he was dead. He died in his hotel room before he could, before he could leave Minnesota,
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Interviewer
where he was after your interview.
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Sean Stone
Doing the interview. Yeah, yeah, he died of a heart attack.
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Interviewer
A lot of people involved in the space program in a kind of spooky science connected to the federal government have died or disappeared recently.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, like a lot. It's like 11 that they've confirmed missing or dead.
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Interviewer
Yeah, that seems like a lot.
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Sean Stone
Nuclear? Yeah, from everything from like fusion programs to NASA scientists. Certainly in the age of, of disclosure, which we've been living through the last few years. It's curious. It's more curious. At first I thought people were saying like the chi, they were suspecting the Chinese, but do you remember, Look, I mean, we still never got an answer to those drones.
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Interviewer
No.
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Sean Stone
Last New Jersey last year, they were all over. Not just Jersey, they were all over, like from Eastern seaboard. Right. Virginia. I mean multiple states. I mean you get this kind of stuff all the time, you know, these anomalies.
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Interviewer
I actually asked about that because Trump was going to disclose what it was, remember during the campaign, he said, I'm going to get to the bottom of this. And, and then he said, ah, it's not a big deal. And I asked, I got a.
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Sean Stone
It's not a big deal, Epstein. Epstein's not a big deal.
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Interviewer
But what were those?
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Sean Stone
Listen, I, I look at this world. I mean, you ever see those paintings, some of those old paintings and you see like these little drone looking things in them. I just look at this world like we are being observed. You know, the watchers, they're again dark and light. They're observing this, this experiment of the fall. Right. We've fallen, but God is always watching. God's permitting. And you know, there's beings that are interested in our genetics, that's for sure. The eugenics thing is ancient.
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Interviewer
Why are eugenics is ancient?
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Sean Stone
Well, we talked about it like the idea of creating humans, some of which were of royal bloodline or from deities, and others are just more like workers. I think it's ancient. I mean Isn't it curious, like the different races, you know, where do we. Do we all just come from one race and we become like darker skinned, lighter, or are we actually like different bloodlines? Right, they're different blood types. So is it just evolutionary or is there something else, you know, going on in terms of, I think, you know, genetics connects to consciousness because as we know, like the eugenics interest, it's extreme. I mean, by the way, we gave birth to Hitler because the eugenics conferences were here first. They were British and American eugenics conferences. And a lot of them. Yeah, we're racist. Absolutely. But the interest in the idea that like consciousness, as we talked about, if the brain and the like is a receiver, then of course different genetics are going to receive information differently. You know, the body, how we experience reality is through this body. So isn't it if, you know, if we believe in souls and you know, the, the. The journey that we go through in our life, our body is very connected to that experience. So of course there's a fascination with, you know, how much is it contingent on, on our genetic makeup and our propensities. For example,
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Interviewer
I. For about 50 years in the United States, it was basically not allowed for people to mention any of this in public because it was Hitler stuff or whatever they said about it.
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Sean Stone
They changed the name, they called it, they changed it from eugenics to what's the Cold Spring Harbor? They're doing it Cold Spring Harbor. Basically the same research. It's just genetic. What's the term for it anyway? It's just. They called it genetic research now and like, you know, by, you know, they, they.
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Interviewer
Biotech, I think we call it.
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Sean Stone
Yeah, biotech and things like this. But it's the same principles, not. Maybe not based in the same racism, but some of it's. I'm sure some of these people are still racist. Like Epstein, who was called everybody goy that wasn't Jewish. Right. I mean, some of these guys are still racist. But yeah, I mean, they, they just, they just changed the name.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
It's just interesting that even as the
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Interviewer
public has been absolutely banned from talking about this stuff, the people in charge are very fixated on genetics. Mh. Yeah. That doesn't surprise you.
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Sean Stone
But why should it? I mean, why again, if. If this vehicle, it's. It's. It's pretty interesting technology. I mean, the body is incredible technology. That's what freaked me out so much during COVID was like the whole MRNA delivery system, right, that they were trying to inject us with. And as a lot of People were warning that MRNA technology can start to affect your genome and might be passed on to your children.
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Interviewer
I think it's been confirmed now.
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Sean Stone
Right. So it's pretty, pretty scary stuff that they were just mass injected into hundreds
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Interviewer
of millions of people.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
But then, and now we know that
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Interviewer
it can affect your DNA. I think that's beyond dispute, but I haven't read any follow up and like, okay, what you're changing human beings generationally, what are the likely effects of this?
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Sean Stone
And that's, that's the transhuman agenda. So transhumanism, transhumanism you could say, is the evolution of eugenics to the place where a lot of these elites want to biologically re engineer the human. And arguably they want to get us to a place where they can merge us with the AI, the machine consciousness to make us, well, you could say like an H.G. wells type of scenario. Right? You have the elite who, and some of whom love, you know, the idea of like Elon Musk. You know, connect me to the machine, connect me to the computer so that I can be smarter.
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Interviewer
Right.
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Sean Stone
And, and then, you know, arguably those that are, you know, more mundane will either not have the ability or they'll be connected in a way that they can be more readily controlled. Is this what we're going towards? You know, a cyborg type of future Seems clear, right? It's certainly feasible. I don't think in the next five years, but probably 20, 30 years and beyond, you could see a whole new humanity.
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Interviewer
What do you think the point of the COVID exercise was.
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Sean Stone
Multi layered. They, they wanted, I mean it seems that they wanted to shut down the world and, and print money on mass. They know they didn't have a war, like to do it right without a great war. They needed some kind of, you know, conflict. This exercise was a way of I think testing consciousness to see how pliable, compliant people are. And obviously it was like I said, frightening just to, to see your friends and neighbors just becoming like the Borg, you know, Star Trek. Just obey, wear your mask. Do not question. If you question, you're crazy. You're dangerous. You know, you should be. At some point they were talking about moving people to concentration camps for quarantine camps. They were talking about digital tracking. I don't think they achieved fully what they could have. Or what if the dark side had won, let's say prevailed? We could have be kidding me. We could have been what Achomsky said, those of us that were unvaxed, we could have been pushed out of society. They could have created a total digital verification of how many shots you've had and you know, if you obeyed or not. I mean the social credit system of like, you know, a communist society, they could have gone all the way. I don't think they, they, I don't think they won that battle. But I think it was a big test to see where our human consciousness was.
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Interviewer
I noticed you didn't mention public health as one of the reasons for that campaign.
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Sean Stone
Shifting our. Which in which aspect?
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Interviewer
Well, the inherent threat of the virus that didn't play any role in this.
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Sean Stone
The virus was a perfect virus insofar as it was very contagious. And I think we all got exposed to it and I think the virus does have long term effects that we should work to clean out. But things like ivermectin and other can help us with cleaning that out of our system. But it wasn't like a particularly deadly virus. No. I mean just look at the numbers he was deadly with. If you had two plus comorbidities and you were over 70 years old. Yeah, that was dangerous. But anyone who was paying attention, you know, I was. We knew about ivermectin, we knew about hydroxychloroquine, vitamin C, zinc, I mean just you know, health protocols, being in the sun, fresh air, all the things you would normally think would be healthy.
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Interviewer
Yeah. You know, keeping your weight normal.
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Sean Stone
Yeah.
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Sponsor/Ad Voice
So, last question. Where so many things are happening at once right now.
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Interviewer
One thing I've noticed during this conversation is you seem completely unsurprised, nonplussed by all these crazy things going on because you've just seen the world through this vantage for so long that like it doesn't surprise you, is that fair?
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Sean Stone
Yeah. I think that when you, when you've grown up seeing conspiracy reality, which I saw since I was like 6, 7 years old and my dad made JFK, you don't, I don't try to assume anything because I'm not in a position of one of the elites that's, you know, apparently, you know, making these types of decisions. Right. So.
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Interviewer
But you see a UFO and you say I'm looking not at an anomaly, but at reality.
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Sean Stone
Yes.
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Interviewer
Yeah, so that's a different way of looking at the world. So. And probably a better one. But given that world view you see now, the unresolved war in Ukraine, this new war in Iran, which seems like it is already a global war, who knows? The promise of UAP disclosure, the rise of these terrifying dystopian technologies, mass surveillance, AI.
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Sean Stone
Yeah.
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Interviewer
All happening in Like a five year span. What is all of this? They're clearly connected phenomena.
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Sean Stone
They're definitely connected phenomenon.
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Interviewer
Any one of these things would have been enough to like fry my 30 year old brain if these had happened in 1999.
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Sean Stone
I guess it was. Well, look, the NATO war against Serbia, it was relatively isolated. But that region of the Balkans, but that region was devastated by that era. I keep emphasizing to people, look, the world ended many times already. I think if we lived through World War II, can you imagine the devastation of that time period? I mean, maybe 100 million dead, the entire world, you know, engaged at some level of the conflict. Just I think that we can't really. We have to get back to like kind of primary principles of. Okay, is it really as bad as we might, the mind might want it, might want it to believe, you know, and the fear wants us to believe.
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Interviewer
Yes.
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Sean Stone
So I don't like to give, get into those, like those, give into those fear narratives. I, I truly believe that the light is prevailing. People are waking up every time something, you know, is occurring. We're in a time now where it's like, thanks to the social media component, as much as we can say, like, yeah, there's banal things, there's like degrading things. There's things that maybe like take us out of ourselves or into our lower self. There's also so much revelation coming at the same time. Yeah, right. So we can have these conversations now that. Listen, I couldn't talk about the, the, the pedophilia, cannibalism stuff back in the 2000s when I first found out about it because you know, I was reading like the Franklin scan about the Franklin scandal and the Franklin cover up and things like this. Right. This was back in the, in the 80s and 90s that they were, you know, the trafficking, I remember right. And Franklin and had to do with Larry King who was very high up in the Republican National Committee and you know, stories like this that I, I know about a different Larry King. Yeah, different Larry King. Exactly. The black Larry King. Not, not, not the CNN Larry King. And you know, I couldn't talk about these things publicly, but gradually I've seen consciousness awakening. It's my journey has been so interesting in that regard. Like I was doing conspiracy theory with Jesse Ventura back when it was shut down because we were asking, you know, we were asking all the right questions apparently, but the network, true tv shut us down because he had challenged. I think he, I think it was, I think it was because of the, the, the episode that he did about fema, FEMA camps, maybe. Was that like he triggered something? Yeah, but there were some things that he was, we touched upon that were like, okay, the show is canceled. So nowadays, you know, if he'd wanted to, you know, we could have shifted it to like, you know, a tick tock channel or something. We could have, we could have continued it. All these conversations that we were having about the, the skinwalker Ranch, now there's shows on Netflix about skinwalker Ranch, the UAP stuff, you know, coming out, the hybrid programs, the reverse engineering being discussed in Congress. So I feel like the awakening is more important than the events themselves. The events themselves, because, like, this is a reality where unfortunately, yes, like, it's painful, it's full of suffering, there's sorrow. Our loved ones are going to die. One way or another, everything's going to pass in this world. Right? So what, what matters is where are we awakening to the reality? Are we seeing the spiritual forces that are, that are at work? And if we can again choose light instead of darkness, I do believe we can create a better reality. But it starts with awakening and realization, not being. We're going to put this in the corner. We're not going to discuss the pedophilia. No, that's being discussed openly now. We're not going to discuss, you know, the rape and murder and cannibalization of kids. No, we're going to discuss that because by becoming aware of it now, we can get to a place of, okay, all this, all of this somehow exists in our reality. Let's choose a better, let's choose a better version. Let's choose a better version of reality. Right, where this doesn't happen as prevalently, if at all.
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Interviewer
So the awakening is worth the suffering that leads to it.
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Sean Stone
It's the only way. It's the only way to awaken is to suffer. That's what Buddha, even Buddha sees suffering in the world. He says, I want to understand what's causing this, get to the heart. You know, he wants to awaken, right? He wants to create a more compassionate reality, even though he knows that suffering will still exist. So it doesn't have to be as evil as cannibalizing, you know, people and murdering women and children and all these horrible things. But there will still be suffering in our reality at this point, point of human experience, right? We're still going to suffer illness and old age and, and death until, you know, God decides that we enter a more golden age.
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Interviewer
Sean Stone, thank you very much.
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Sean Stone
It's a pleasure.