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George Santos Airs All of Congress’ Dirty Laundry in Final Interview Before Prison
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Tucker Carlson
Every interview you do, the reporter ends up lecturing you, giving you a moral lecture. And I just lived in D.C. for too long and I just. I have you in perspective with everyone else. You serve with the other 435. You are not the sleaziest person it was. Sorry. Sorry. You may have the longest prison term, but you are not the most deserving. You are, in my opinion, the funniest member of Congress I've ever seen. And to me, that counts for something. So I'm not exactly sure how you got seven. I mean, you're going to prison in how long from now?
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George Santos
24 days from today.
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Tucker Carlson
How in the world did you get seven years in person?
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George Santos
I asked myself.
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Tucker Carlson
I bet you do.
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George Santos
I'm looking at this and I'm treating this as like a mental exercise. It's gymnastics, Tucker. Just put it this way. No one is going to prison for what I'm going to prison for. Because if, if they were, we wouldn't have half a Congress right now. And that's on both sides. I mean, AOC still has a million dollars AWOL from her 2022 campaign that still hasn't been resolved. Nobody knows where it went, unaccounted receipts or whatever the case. Excuses. McCormick down in Florida, the Democrat, she accidentally took $5 million from COVID relief. It was an accident. It was meant to be 5,000, but somebody added extra zeros. She's not going to prison. Even David Schweiker, who had a four year long ethics investigation against him for misusing campaign funds, got a $200,000 fine. No one got indicted in 87 days. I am the fastest member of Congress to get indicted in the history of Congress.
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Tucker Carlson
When one of the charges against you I just read is identity theft.
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George Santos
Yes, identity theft have what?
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Tucker Carlson
The estimate is 50 million people living here illegally, most of them working. Every non citizen without a visa with a job in the United States is committing identity theft.
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George Santos
Pretty much.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, yeah, that's a fake. Social Security numbers, fake driver's license. Yeah, they all have fake documents. I don't think anyone's ever been indicted of those tens of millions of people committing identity theft. But you were indicted and convicted of identity theft.
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George Santos
Well, it's not even just that. There's the Dubin decision in the Supreme Court that came down last year. Actually late last year or mid last year. Pardon me. Too soon. Wrong person, actually. So it, it essentially says that if identity theft isn't the crux of the crime and if it's a consequence. Right, and I'm not making Excuses here. I'm just saying you cannot be charged for aggravated identity theft. And this is a case, the case they make against me is that I stole people's credit cards and I went on shopping sprees. That is categorically false. The evidence doesn't even corroborate or substantiate that. Right, but they went on with the media narrative because it was easier for the prosecution. They knew eventually they would squeeze me out of the ability to defend myself. Right. And pay for a defense. I went through every last penny I had and bank accounts closing on me. Bank relationships. Wells Fargo, I had an account with them for over 15 years. I had a great line of credit with them. Boom. Closed on me after being harassed with subpoenas by the FBI. Same thing for Citibank, which I kept, I kept my business accounts at Citibank. Boom. And I mean, I was trans in 2022, at least. I did transactions. Business, legitimate business transactions that were not contested to the tune of almost a million dollars at Citibank, they closed on me like a bank. Banks that I had great relationships with wouldn't extend me line of credit. American Express close. I'm banned for life from American Express.
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Tucker Carlson
Why?
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George Santos
Because it's, it. The, the crux of the crimes charged levied against me are fraud or financial fraud. It's white collar. Why would they want to do business with a, with a high risk client like myself? That's their excuse. Right? So as the circle starts narrowing on me, I ran out of options and that's how I end up in a bad plea.
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Tucker Carlson
Identity theft. I mean, you committed identity theft in the same sense that Sacha Baron Cohen commits identity theft. Like in the service of hilarity.
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George Santos
I'll, I'll give you better. I committed identity theft in the same sense that ActBlue committed identity theft. Having clients on reoccurring donations. It's not my donors. Pardon me. Having donors on reoccurring donations does not constitute identity theft per se. Right.
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Tucker Carlson
And can you explain what that means? So in other words, if I give my credit card to a charity or a bundler like ecblu, they keep charging it if there's a checkbox, Right.
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George Santos
You're supposed to select that when you're doing the donation. If you don't deselect that, and this is a big issue. I agree. Agree. In hindsight, political bundlers like when red and act blue should not even have that option on there. I think that's entrapment. I, I genuinely believe that. You know, looking in, in, in Retrospect, it's, It's an onus so large on the donor and on the candidate it be. It becomes a nightmare because if you go there and you donate the max donation to me and forget to uncheck that box, now you're on a reoccurring max. You're going to completely be maxed out by per the fec. Now, if I had a good operation and a good treasurer, what would that treasurer do? Start returning donations? Going there manually, removing. She wasn't doing any of that. She was moving money around. It got so convoluted. And I trusted her. And, and you know, it is what it is. I'm here. I am seven years. If you look at the crux of the crime, it is $55,000 of misuse of campaign funds. I admit to that. I admit that. You know, I, I thought they were all within the purview of spending. I was told it was all. And I had no reservations of making those. I didn't secrecy. They were all blatantly done because they were reported to the fec. So I bought a new suit here or there or. I got Botox. Apparently they said it was okay for 800 bucks, although despite the fact that I've spent thousands of dollars on Botox of my own money. But I. I spent 800 of the campaign funds on Botox. Then comes all these other like.
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Tucker Carlson
Are you worried that Botox like affects your brain after a while?
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George Santos
Probably.
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Tucker Carlson
I don't know much about Botox. It's like the.
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George Santos
It's a narrow toxin. Right.
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Tucker Carlson
Sorry. I've always wanted to ask a. That.
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George Santos
Yeah, no, I mean, sure. There's a side effect to everything, right? We drink booze. It's bad for your liver.
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Tucker Carlson
No, no, for sure.
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George Santos
Right. So it's, it's. I look at it the same way, but I guess I can. You know, no matter what I die, I'm always going to have great skin. And you're all going to see that. But you're never going to know that my liver's falling apart. But that's kind of like the entire exist existence of this identity theft. And there's an entire Supreme Court decision that the judge in my case completely ignored. We made that motion by the. This is a judge, Joanna Seibert, who is appointed by Clinton but has a stellar reputation of being fair. Very fair. Until she tries George Santos. And then she completely broke from precedent. Every attorney in New York was telling my. My legal team, like, you guys drew the judge lottery. So much so that at one point The DOJ was trying to judge shop. They kept creating relatable indictments within the same case, but presenting them in Brooklyn, trying to get, and then would say, you know, in, in the interest of justice and of preserving public funds, these cases are related, we want to join them. Lucky or I guess not lucky for me, she was very tenacious and says no, they're all coming to me. She's the senior judge on the bench in the Eastern district of New York. So you would think, you know, she's, she sees and she's, she's gone through all the nonsense, right? Yeah, but no, at the end of the day she just slammed a book at me. 87 months. Didn't even. She read the indictment inside the courtroom. She didn't. She went in there with her, with, with her decision completely pre written. She did not, it didn't matter what we can argue during sentencing. She didn't care. It was pre written. She read it. She read, she read my attorney, she read us. She sided with every single aspect of the, of the, of the prosecution. But what strikes me incredible is Nancy Marks, my treasurer, just got sentenced to six to three years, pardon me, probation. She's not doing a day in prison. This is a person who has had run ins with the FBI in the past, so I've learned afterwards. This is a person who in 2022, to the own admission and contradiction by the way of the doj did worse acts of criminality and manipulation on another candidate's, another Republican candidates. FEC reports a big candidate by the way. Somebody person didn't win but millions of dollars worth of a campaign and she was a treasurer. And then to top it off, they never indicted that person or gave her those charges. They were just after me. Even though we're talking small potatoes with.
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Tucker Carlson
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George Santos
Not on the conservative issues.
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Tucker Carlson
That's what I'm saying.
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George Santos
I totally offended libs.
- [13:26]
Tucker Carlson
Definitely offended the libs.
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George Santos
I do that for sport. Here. Here's my biggest crime. I'm a gay man who's a Republican and I won a seat in the middle of New York City. That's not that can't stand.
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Tucker Carlson
No, no, they hated you for that. But then the Republicans abandoned you too.
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George Santos
Look, I'll say this. It was a small group of Republicans who abandoned me at first. And those were the people who wanted to settle putty scores. Nicola Loda, Anthony Desposito. These are all local guys, right? So the former Congressman Desposito, because he said that expelling me would secure his reelection. Well, it didn't work out that way. Neither for him, Brandon Williams or Mark Molinaro, all three of them lost their elections in which they weren't supposed to, but they did. Nick lalota, who replaced Lee Zeldin, which is an absolute travesty because Lee was an actual conservative. This dude's just. I, I can't even detail to you, like where on the, on the barometer would he even measure as a conservative? Because the dude caves and votes CR that's ever been presented and, and is. Is contributing to the destruction of our, of our economy, contributing to the destruction of our country in general by putting us in perpetual debt. These guys didn't like me back home because I was, quote, the rising star in New York. Right? Nobody likes that. You know, it's all about self aggrandizement for these guys. And when there's one sucking more energy than the other. They're not going to like him. And that's, that's how it boil down. So when I was vulnerable for the first time in four years that they've interacted with me belly up, and they're like, ah, this is an opportunity we're not gonna miss. And they just went in for the jugular, you know.
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Tucker Carlson
But what about in the Congress?
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George Santos
In Congress, these two guys managed to move people's minds. You know, there's one's a former cop, the other one's a service, a former serviceman. So they built those relationship with that kind of caucus in, you know, the former cops, a former serviceman. So they kind of have that brotherly bond. So those guys all disbanded towards them and against me. Look, if it wasn't for people like Tim Burchett to extend a friendly hand and pull me in, I probably would have sat in a corner by myself.
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Tucker Carlson
Like Tennessee.
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George Santos
From Tennessee.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes. Such a good man.
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George Santos
He's, he was my mentor. And I've learned one thing from him. We don't need to agree to be friends.
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Tucker Carlson
What's totally right. I mean, he's like a, you know.
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George Santos
He'S, he gets along with Maxine Waters totally.
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Tucker Carlson
And he has my politics, I think, and, but he's just a really decent, like Massey. He's a decent person.
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George Santos
I love Massey. Disagree with him on stuff.
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Tucker Carlson
Of course, I get it. But I'm just saying, like, but I.
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George Santos
Love the guy person. Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
So who were your friends in the Congress?
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George Santos
Tim Burchett. Yeah. I love Trent Kelly in Mississippi. I mean, who would think a gay man from New York getting along with a guy from Mississippi. But I love Trent Kelly. Lauren Bobert. Yeah. Marjorie was always very, very good to me. Matt Gates, you know, I've known Gates longer than I know all of them. I mean, I've just known Gates for years at this point, I think since I kind of entered the political scene. He's a very welcoming, he's a great recruiter, I would say, for the party because he's young and he, he's not, he doesn't have all these preconceived notions about people or how people need to be. So it's very easy to no barriers.
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Tucker Carlson
With Gates and again, give you his text, like you can call him.
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George Santos
And I fight with Gates plenty. Don't get me.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, I get it.
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George Santos
I, I, I argue with him plenty. But I would always go to his office when I needed some guidance on stuff. He was always willing to. Thomas Massie guided me through some tough Votes that I didn. Freshman Congressman. I don't understand everything. No matter how much of a bookworm you might be, when you get there, you're voting on things that you really don't understand, and you need seek guidance. Sought that guidance from Massie so many times, and so many times he was willingly available. You know, I would turn around and say, massie, I understand what you're saying, but I kind of disagree with you. I would take the information. It's so contrary to him.
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Tucker Carlson
You can't hurt his feelings.
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George Santos
You can't, though. I mean, look, the one thing Massie and I always will agree on. I'll never vote for a crazy. I never voted for a CR Never will vote for a CR it's just why you cannot perpetually live borrowing money. You will bankrupt this nation into oblivion. And if you do not balance the budget, it is. It's the biggest existential threat we have today is not Iran, despite we don't agree on Iran.
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Tucker Carlson
Right.
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George Santos
Hate Iran.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah. Iran's not great.
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George Santos
I'm not saying Iran's terrible, but you're not our biggest problem today. Our biggest problem is domestic. It's debt. Right. And the fact that we. One big, beautiful bill. Love the bill. I love the intentions, but I think the framework of the intentions are flawed because they started off by cutting back spending based on 2024 levels. They're supposed to cut back spending based on 2019 levels because anything from 2019 forward has Pelosi's Covid pork. And we're still spending at Covid level today. Don't take it from me. Call any other member of Congress. We still spend at COVID 19 levels today. We might have rolled back some provisions, but the spending is the same levels of 2020, 2020 onward. If you really want to be serious about cutting back spending, you go back to 2019, and you cut on top of that because we were already about 40% over budget. That's. That's my standing financially.
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Tucker Carlson
I think that seems totally reasonable, and.
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George Santos
It'S the only reasonable way forward. But you can't even get the framework of the one big, beautiful bill to be perfect again. I'm not going to let perfect be the enemy of good. There's good things in the bill, but this version coming back from the Senate, not. Not for me. I don't know about others. It's definitely not for me.
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Tucker Carlson
So you don't have to deal with it because you were literally expelled.
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George Santos
Pretty much, yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
So, okay, this is a philosophical question, but I'm sure you've pondered It. You were elected by the voters of your district in New York, in Nassau County.
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George Santos
Yep. Nassau and Queens. Don't forget about Queens.
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Tucker Carlson
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
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George Santos
I'm a Queens boy, Right.
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Tucker Carlson
I'm one of the boroughs, so. But, like, that's where your authority comes from. And in a representative democracy, you're representing the democracy like you're an instrument of our system. So how can. How can you be fired by other elected representatives? Like, how can. I don't understand how that works.
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George Santos
Well, Thomas Massie said it best. I will not overturn the election results of the third District.
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Tucker Carlson
That's what I'm saying. Right. And that is just a crisper way to say what I was trying to say.
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George Santos
That's what he said.
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
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George Santos
And he says, this is. This is preposterous. Let you go and be fired by the people who sent you here at the time. No convictions. No. I. I still had a trial, was a long way, so no due process offered. They call a political hit piece in ethics report, and I'll give you a little tidbit of the ethics report. And I have to do the air quotes because it. It irritates me to know that this will forever be in my record. I had a. A hit type plant person try to work in my office, called Derek Meyer from Ohio. Completely insane, Looney Tune guy. He wanted to work in my office. One of my staffers said he's a good guy. Whatever we did vetting on him, turns out he was nuts. He. He was under investigation for wiretapping a federal courtroom. So we said, we don't. We don't need the drama right now. I have enough drama. I don't need a sideshow. So we said no. This man, after being told no, went to the ethics committee, complained that we made him work for free of a mean. A bunch of. Bunch of stuff. None of it stuck.
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Tucker Carlson
Accused you of slavery, pretty much.
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George Santos
Right? None of it stuck. Then after a whole week goes by, he decided to pull out. What card can you possibly think he pulled out of the pocket? Sexual assault.
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Tucker Carlson
So I was gonna go with racism.
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George Santos
But sexual assault, Right. And I said, wow, that's a first, even for me. I was shocked. I was flabbergasted. Like, wow. I've never been accused of being pervy. So I sit at home, I go back to my partner. I'm like, I'm being accused of being pervy. He's like, they definitely don't know you. Like, I'm such a square. And we were just, like, shocked. This plays out. He made bombastic allegations about sexual assault that I grew up just growing. I invited him to karaoke. None of which was true. Then when he gave his testimony, he gave detailed dates and times. Lucky Congress people who have good staff like I did have a very detailed calendar of my whereabouts with plenty of pictures. You know, they're following with pictures and video to post on social media. Look, he's working, you know, the whole dog and pony show.
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Tucker Carlson
He's not at karaoke.
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George Santos
Yeah, there you go. So it, it became so hysterical, the Ethics committee called him for the lack of all the words, didn't say, a straight out liar. But he lacked credibility and evidence to prove and that the evidence to counter it was so overwhelming they dismissed it. This was an office of Congressional Ethics. So the chairman of the Ethics Committee, Michael Guess, in his infinite wisdom in his expulsion resolution contradicted his own ethics report which exonerates me from sexual assault. But he puts it in the expulsion resolution that whereas I engage in sexual harassment and sexual misconduct in my office in my capacity as a member of Congress to enhance the. Because he accused me of the ethics report, also accused me of having a number of high interest credit cards to rely to keep my lifestyle up. Oh, I'm sorry, that was Joe Biden's economy. Interest rates were up all across the board. I'm sorry for being American and overleveraging myself. So I have bad spending habits. Like they use this as evidence against me, you know, and built this entire.
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Tucker Carlson
Report like a trailer park economics going on. And they were mad about it.
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George Santos
They were pretty mad. Like I'm like, I'm sorry, but I do it well. So that was kind of the issue. So when you look at this and you have Troynells and, and all these very serious former law enforcement officers who look at this and says this reads straight up like a political hit piece. No good cop would ever turn this over to a DA and say, here, here's the charging documents. But this is what the Ethics Committee did. And it was enough, I guess, to convince 105 Republicans to join the Democrats in expelling a Republican.
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George Santos
Those are the 105.
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Tucker Carlson
Fair. But if you think of like the crazy behavior that goes on in Congress, and I do want to ask you about that at some point, but like that is a wild precedent to set. We're just going to expel someone from a body to which he was elected.
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George Santos
Well, I mean they, they are, they are pretty self important up there.
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Tucker Carlson
But, but you would think that they would also be interested in self preservation to the point where they would say let's not set that precedent. Let's not start doing that.
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George Santos
Well here's the funny thing. I, I was expelled. No due process. Right.
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Tucker Carlson
And you had not been convicted.
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George Santos
No. Not even. No adjudication whatsoever. Just allegations at the point. And had I not been expelled I'd still probably have a jews to put up a fight. But when you're expelled, you lose Juice. It's, I, I, I don't know how to put it to you.
- [27:49]
Tucker Carlson
No, that's, that's well put.
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George Santos
Like I lost juice. I, I had no gas in my tank to keep going forward. So yeah, I, I totally where was.
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Tucker Carlson
Okay, so the leadership of the Republican conference, the Republicans in the House would be able I think to tell Republicans how to vote on this. So, so Mike Johnson's the speaker.
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George Santos
I'm going to say this. Kevin McCarthy was 10 times a better leader for the conference and Mike Johnson is.
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Tucker Carlson
Well that's for sure.
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George Santos
I mean no question I've noticed.
- [28:19]
Tucker Carlson
I can't believe I'm saying that.
- [28:20]
George Santos
You, you don't need to agree with Kevin's politics per se, but he was a great leader. He knew how to, he whips that.
- [28:28]
Tucker Carlson
Into agnostic on the ideas. He just wanted to win Right.
- [28:32]
George Santos
He just wanted to win. He's a winner. He wants to win, and that's fine. I kind of disagreed with him a lot. Like, I've let him down a few times. But you know what? He had my back. So I always go back and I tell Matt Gaetz, do you still really think it was a good idea? Vacating McCarthy? Cost me my seat, cost the conference a seat, you know, But I was.
- [28:49]
Tucker Carlson
So mean to Kevin, who I should just say is a nice man. And I saw him at dinner last summer. He was seated at the table next to me, couldn't even look at me. And I thought, you know, I was so mean to that guy. He's easy to be mean to.
- [29:00]
George Santos
It's easy because he was the face of something you were angry at. Yeah, that's true.
- [29:03]
Tucker Carlson
I'm annoyed by Republican leadership always. But then you look at Mike Johnson, who' a disappointment. Oh, authorizing all this killing in the name of Jesus. It's like I can barely. I can barely stand it. So, yes, I think those of us who thought kicking Kevin McCarthy out of lead, I had nothing to do with it, but just cheerleading from the sidelines. We were completely wrong. And I think it's important to admit.
- [29:24]
George Santos
That I. I agree. And so Mike Johnson takes a posture of vote your conscience. At least Stefanic is freaking out. Like, what do you mean? Vote your conscience? Like who?
- [29:35]
Tucker Carlson
This is the Congress. We don't have a conscience.
- [29:37]
George Santos
She. She firmly votes to keep me, Mike Johnson, Scalise, most of leadership who matters. And then you have the useful idiots like Richard Hudson, which I don't expect you to know who he is, but believe it or not, he's the chairman of the nrcc, which is in charge of recruitment. Now you wonder why we can't expand the majority.
- [29:56]
Tucker Carlson
Who is he?
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George Santos
A former staffer. Become. Became Congressman, which is the worst way to become a congressman.
- [30:01]
Tucker Carlson
From a state.
- [30:02]
George Santos
From the state of North Carolina. Okay, so he was a staffer to a congressman, then became the congressman. And now somebody thought in their infinite wisdom, we're just going to let him be the NRCC chair. A total dud. Votes against me. Then you have the Mormon out of Utah. I have such contempt for some of these people that I forgot their names.
- [30:23]
Tucker Carlson
Fair.
- [30:24]
George Santos
He's the deputy conference chair. Can't remember his name. I know he's super tall. He votes for. He votes expel me.
- [30:30]
Tucker Carlson
So you lose the tall guy?
- [30:31]
George Santos
Yeah, I lose the tall guy. Then Lisa McClain, who, up until the moment of the vote, she's like, this is so Unfair, honey, what they're doing to you. Votes to expel me. I'm like, wait, what the hell just happened? Never looked at her in the face again. So this is, this is, this is leadership, Leadership fractured. And it gave people a window to say, well, some of leadership went sideways. We're just going to go with that band.
- [30:55]
Tucker Carlson
Why would. But in the end, as you know, you served in the body. If the speaker said no, we're not going to let Democrats kick out this guy for stuff that we all know is pretty common. And, and by the way, if it's a crime, the courts will make that judgment.
- [31:10]
George Santos
That was the only thing I argued.
- [31:12]
Tucker Carlson
Right. So if Mike Johnson had said that, you would have been fine. Why didn't he say that?
- [31:18]
George Santos
Michael Guest recently at an event in Mississippi told a person, and for the sakes of that person's privacy because he entrusted in me, that he flat out said it was political because they had pulled the neighboring districts and they were getting slaughtered because of me. I find that very hard to believe because I was still being able to go back home, do my district work. I, in the middle of all of that, Tucker, I did constituent work. I was doing town halls, I was doing mobile office hours. I, I, I worked through it. You know, these guys were all scared of doing anything because my name was going to come up. Well, just say I'm not George Santos. If you have issues with George Santos, go Visit George Santos.
- [31:56]
Tucker Carlson
100.
- [31:57]
George Santos
That's it. But they, they took it personal and, and, and they made it personal and it's fine. And here we are, you know, but that's why I got expelled.
- [32:05]
Tucker Carlson
So did you know Mike Johnson?
- [32:07]
George Santos
I knew Mike Johnson from the fact that me and Lauren Bobert harassed him to run for speaker while we were going through that entire debacle.
- [32:15]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, that was unbelievable.
- [32:16]
George Santos
I was coming out of the.
- [32:18]
Tucker Carlson
So McCarthy's. Can you just walk us through it for those of us who've forgotten the details?
- [32:21]
George Santos
McCarthy gets vacant.
- [32:22]
Tucker Carlson
Right.
- [32:23]
George Santos
And you know, the one thing I hold till this day in my year, from that day was Nancy Mace. Nobody knew what she was doing. And all of a sudden that echoes what's Nancy Mace. Nancy Mace.
- [32:36]
Tucker Carlson
Just kidding. I love the name.
- [32:38]
George Santos
All I remember is her very. It felt visceral. She screams an eye that I'm never going to forget. The strength she used to say I for vacating him. It echo and permeated through the halls and through the chamber and it, you could hear a pin drop because nobody saw that coming. That was a final nail in his Coffin.
- [33:03]
Tucker Carlson
Wow. And I sat Nancy Mace growled an.
- [33:06]
George Santos
Eye with every fiber in her being. I looked, I remember looking at Corey Mills's face and going like, what the just happened? He's like, this changes everything. We were just so caught off, off guard. Because now from M onwards to Z, right? Mace Alpha, anything can happen. Anything can happen. And I sat there just like pondering like, what is happening. Right. So that happens. We instantly get pulled into conference. We've now, you know, you look at Steve Womack's face hitting the gavel and saying, the office of the speaker is now vacant. One eye squinting, the other eye almost bogging out of his skull. I remember looking at Womack's face and looking around like, did this just really happen? I'm like, when history couldn't be made even more. But this just really happened. And I'm from my purview. I'm like, oh my God. I'm not the drama anymore. This is so. For six weeks, I felt so relieved. I'm sorry, Kevin, but I just felt so relieved. It was not on me anymore. This is about Gates and Kevin. And I don't know if you remember the baby story. Me carrying a baby and screaming at a Hamas protester.
- [34:29]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
- [34:29]
George Santos
So. So that all happened in that I was just hanging out with babies at that point because nobody cared about me. But we all now get transferred to doing our conference meetings in the Ways and Means Committee room, which is in the Longworth office building, right off of Constitution House. Yeah, my office was just down the hall. So I was like a two minute walk. I joke. My office became the hideaway bar for some of my colleagues. So we were going there and we're doing these votes behind closed doors. And all I kept thinking was how much I hated it when I would be on the outside and read about it. They're all now gathered behind closed doors voting on this. I said, the hell with the closed doors narrative. I went to text and I started going and telling people, play by play, they were sequestering our phones. I said, I'm a congressman. Sorry, no, you're not taking.
- [35:24]
Tucker Carlson
You were a congressman.
- [35:25]
George Santos
I literally said, you're not taking my phone. Enough of this. No more babysitting. And I was just texting live, texting from in there. Then I started going out there and joining spaces. And there's some space hosts out there. Diligent Denizen and James and Shell Shock. These guys were hosting these spaces in lieu. And. And. And I'm just giving it to them in real time. And the numbers started Piling up with the audiences, tens of thousands of people listening. This is the first time a member of Congress is deflecting from defecting from the entire conference and telling them what's happening behind closed doors, play by play, who's voting for what, what fights are getting to, what propositions are being offered. You know, even McCarthy's navigation. Trying to go back into the Speaker's office, there was a lot of those deals being cut. Did you know that at one point there was an offer of a CO speakership between McCarthy and Jim Jordan? That was an actual thing that was on the table, like Jim will be the speaker and I will be co speaker with him and we'll share the office. And this was offered, you know, so I'm telling people this and people couldn't believe it. So then we go through round one. It's Jim Jordan and it's Steve Scalise. And I personally, I was very clear about this at the time. Scalise, who I look up to him tremendously, was going through cancer treatment and I said, come hell or high water, I'm not voting for a man going through cancer treatment.
- [36:48]
Tucker Carlson
Fair.
- [36:48]
George Santos
This job will kill him faster.
- [36:50]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, it's not good for him or the country.
- [36:52]
George Santos
Good for him or the country. I said, it's not smart. I don't think he ever quite understood that I did it from a place of love. And I think he took it personal. And that's okay. That's totally fine.
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George Santos
4 available now and then. Jim Jordan. There was a Jim Jordan aspect of it. We went to the floor three times for Jim Jordan and I voted for Jim Jordan. I like Jim. Jim's a great guy. I had personal meeting with him, but it wasn't moving. So when I saw that it started to fall apart, I started lobbying. Mike Johnson, quiet in the corner. He's like, no, no, no, George, I could never. These guys are like two big brothers to me. And I said, mike, you're the only person in here that nobody dislikes. Like, you're the nicest member of Congress. Nobody has an issue with you. You're the only one that can get a consensus. He's like, I could never do this to them. Then Tom Emmer tried. Poor Tom. I mean, the, the marriage equality vote completely ruined him with the conference, especially with the more Christian base. Right. Your Bob Goods of the world would never vote for him. Right, Right. So that went down in a ball of flame. And then the jungle primary started the jungle rounds. There was like six of them up there, from Dan Muser to Byron Byron. And, and, and I love Byron. Byron's like a great friend. I, I was very conflicted at that point because here's the guy I lobbied and harassed to Jump in the race. In the race. And here's a friend of mine. Yeah, but I also said at the time, I said to him point blank, you're my friend, but I don't think you've been here long enough to be speaker. I think it will eat you up and, and you have so much more to offer.
- [40:32]
Tucker Carlson
Right.
- [40:33]
George Santos
And I didn't want him to compromise on his values because you do have to compromise somewhat as speaker. Yes, but I didn't expect Mike to completely just throw his values away. Mike Johnson, the morning he decided to jump in the race, sends me a text message and says to the tune of George, I just wanted to say thank you for the encouragement. I've decided to jump in the race. I hope I still have your support. My answer to him is, let's go, you know, like, like muscle emoji. Let's, let's kick ass. I call Lauren Boebert dead ass o' clock in the morning. She's like, somebody die? I'm like, no, Mike Johnson's jumping in the race. She's like, woohoo. We're like celebrating. And from that point forward, we were his apostles for the MAGA base because we, the two of us were on spaces. And then Matt Gaetz joined promoting him. People had no clue who Mike Johnson was and we educated them. So that was my little role there throughout that experiment, I guess I, I call it because that was an experiment.
- [41:28]
Tucker Carlson
When was that?
- [41:30]
George Santos
September. September of 2023. It was, it went from September throughout October, early November. It was, it was a nightmare.
- [41:41]
Tucker Carlson
And then he got it.
- [41:42]
George Santos
And then he got it. And about a week or two later was Thanksgiving break. Now here's the guy or two after he becomes speaker. He becomes speaker. Now here's the guy who I lobbied like hell, put a lot of credibility into by propping him up on social media, become speaker. And I'm sitting in my bathtub having a glass of wine. It's Thanksgiving weekend. And I get a call from the speaker. And you know, naturally you wouldn't answer. I said I was just. Tucker, have you ever been over something so much that you were just like, I don't care anymore about decorum.
- [42:16]
Tucker Carlson
I'm gonna answer, yes, yes, I have George.
- [42:19]
George Santos
I just answer the speakers phone call butt naked in a tub.
- [42:23]
Tucker Carlson
Did you tell him you're butt naked?
- [42:24]
George Santos
I did, I did tell him. I was in the time like, you know, Mr. Speaker, right now I. It's put up or shut up because I'm enjoying a bubble bath with wine. He said, I'll Pray for you. But he was trying to convince me to resign.
- [42:39]
Tucker Carlson
What do you mean, resign?
- [42:40]
George Santos
He said, why don't you resign so this doesn't stay on your record forever and you leave in your own terms? And I said, Mr. Speaker, you had.
- [42:48]
Tucker Carlson
Just helped get him elected Speaker. And a week later, he calls and says, why don't you resign your seat?
- [42:52]
George Santos
Yeah, pretty much. Because he's. He's trying to sell it to me as if it's good for me.
- [42:58]
Tucker Carlson
Sounds great.
- [42:59]
George Santos
It sounds great.
- [43:01]
Tucker Carlson
Lose your job. Yeah, it's awesome.
- [43:02]
George Santos
Lose the job you blew your entire life to get and not even fulfill the entire term. Sounds like a great deal, Mr. Speaker. No, thank you. I told him, put up or shut up. You can tell the guys I said that because I'm not leaving, they're gonna have to kick me out. And they proceeded to do so.
- [43:16]
Tucker Carlson
So how long after that did they kick you out?
- [43:19]
George Santos
December 1st. So I want to say two weeks after Mike Johnson became speaker. This was Thanksgiving weekend, so six days later.
- [43:28]
Tucker Carlson
So he obviously knew. I mean, let's be honest. He knew he would kick you out.
- [43:33]
George Santos
I remember calling Guy, Russian thaler, who I love, Pennsylvania Congressman, Young Guy. Completely overrated. He. He would be a great speaker. You know, super young, dynamic. He's the deputy whip to Emmer. And I remember calling him, and I said, guy, can I just ask you a question? He's like, what? He's like, do you guys have the number? Like, do they have them? I was like, I don't think so, George. I don't think there's an appetite for this. I said, all right. I think they do. He's like, what makes you say that? I'm like, gut feeling.
- [44:01]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, right.
- [44:02]
George Santos
It's like three times the charm. I had gone through this exercise two times prior. So I. I sat there and I just said, I think they have. He's like, I'm going to run some traps and see the numbers. The day of, I'm on the House floor, and the numbers are counting the numbers, accounting. Then there was a stall, and it didn't seem to budge. And I'll get back to why it budged. There's a big reason why it budged. There's a stall. And I looked at Guy and I said, this isn't looking good. Look at how many people haven't voted that are in here just talking to one another. And he's like, no, no, no. This is. They're just reasoning. Trust me, this isn't going to happen. And it happened, and it happened in a Glo way for. For those who cheered, you know, for me to be expelled. People were clapping, as you know.
- [44:50]
Tucker Carlson
And you're standing there.
- [44:51]
George Santos
Oh, I stood there. The moment. The moment I saw.
- [44:53]
Tucker Carlson
Well, your colleagues clapped for your expulsion.
- [44:56]
George Santos
Pretty much the moment I started walking down the aisle, as Kenneth Cole put it, I wore an expulsion chic outfit. I were. Kenneth Cole said, well, he understood the assignment. He wore expulsion cheek had the coat over my shoulder because it was a heavy coat and I didn't want to have to. To hustle with it to get in the car. So I had a kind of like a quick way out, right. My. My car was waiting at the Capitol steps for me, and it was just that. Was it very anticlimactic?
- [45:26]
Tucker Carlson
But did you get to clean out your office?
- [45:28]
George Santos
Do you know what I did? I stayed in D.C. for Thanksgiving break because I had a gut feeling. I emptied my office out on the weekend of Thanksgiving when nobody was there to see it. So the one thing I never gave the media, I never gave him the Jorge Santos carrying boxes out of his office. I never. Because I looked at my partner, I said, I think they're going to win this time. And to preserve some dignity, I'm not going to give them the defeated vision of me carrying boxes.
- [45:55]
Tucker Carlson
But it seems clear to me. I don't know, but from what you've said, that when Mike Johnson called you a week after you helped get him elected speaker to say you should resign, he knew that he was. That you were on your way out and that he was going to play. He clearly played a role in that.
- [46:10]
George Santos
That was literally the reason I decided to empty my office.
- [46:12]
Tucker Carlson
So was that call.
- [46:14]
George Santos
It was that call, yes.
- [46:16]
Tucker Carlson
So why wouldn't he just be straightforward with you? It sounds like he's lying because it's politics. I know, but you can't tell someone you're going to pray for them and then lie.
- [46:25]
George Santos
You're very Christian of them.
- [46:27]
Tucker Carlson
It's not. It's not.
- [46:28]
George Santos
It's just not.
- [46:29]
Tucker Carlson
You can't invoke God and then lie. Like, that's not. You don't do that. That's not a good idea.
- [46:34]
George Santos
It's it. But I've learned one thing about these people in Congress. It wasn't very Christian of him then, just like it wasn't very Mormon of Mitt Romney calling me a sick puppy. So it wasn't very morbid of him to be so demeaning towards me so.
- [46:48]
Tucker Carlson
Or tell me m called you a sick puppy.
- [46:50]
George Santos
Oh, he told me to sit in the back of the room that I, if I were to stay, that I should serve in shame in the back of the room. I said, nobody puts baby in the back of the room. That's not very Mormon of you. And he called me an ass. And I called him. It's a very famous exchange between us at the State of the Union because it's my first State of the Union. Yes, I was center aisle seat. I saved that seat. And Tim Burett says, well, you fought for this seat, you keep this seat. I'm not moving.
- [47:15]
Tucker Carlson
Said that. Oh, I'm so glad you're telling me this again. I'm not endorsing anything. I'm not. All I'm endorsing is decency toward other people.
- [47:24]
George Santos
And I got a lot of attacking.
- [47:26]
Tucker Carlson
Self righteousness, which I hate and is always a sign of rottenness.
- [47:30]
George Santos
I'm not a choir boy. I don't make representations to be one. I am flawed. I've made stupid decisions that I regret.
- [47:37]
Tucker Carlson
Why do you think Burchett was so kind to you? You know, because I don't think. It's not like his constituents are the same.
- [47:44]
George Santos
Absolutely not. Tim Burchett is a special man in. In more ways than one can explain. I. I would equate it to him just being a good human being, a good following Christian that actually follows. And I believe that because he reached out to me through Marjorie Taylor Greene On December 22, 2022, after I had taken two antidepressants after I walked out of the Fox News van and got my ass handed to me by Tulsi Gabard on your show.
- [48:15]
Tucker Carlson
I wasn't there that day. I love Tulsi, as you know, but I. That was not my position. She was sitting in for me. That.
- [48:22]
George Santos
No, that's totally fine. And I hold no animosity. Clearly I'm not her friend.
- [48:25]
Tucker Carlson
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- [48:43]
George Santos
Yes.
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- [49:55]
George Santos
But it. It was Marjorie. She's like, that was rough. I said, I didn't watch it. I experienced it. I don't need to watch it to.
- [50:02]
Tucker Carlson
Know it was feeling.
- [50:03]
George Santos
So she's like, tim Burett from Tennessee really wants to talk to you. Can I give him your number? I said, sure. I. I didn't even know who. Who, who or what a Tim Buret was. And this man comes on the phone and is so kind. And so he extended. Not just a hand, he extended like a actual body for you to. To know you can rely. And believe it or not, we end up being diagonally positioned from one another in our offices. It's like maybe 40ft away from his door.
- [50:34]
Tucker Carlson
Wow.
- [50:35]
George Santos
And I. And I took advantage of that because that's where I would run for refuge many times and seek counseling, guide guidance from him. And he was always there. Why? Arms wide open.
- [50:43]
Tucker Carlson
It's amazing. I don't think most people watching this know who Tim Buret is. I happen to know for another reason. And I was. I've. And I. I really don't like most members, but I do like him.
- [50:51]
George Santos
So one of the kindest human beings you'll probably interact with.
- [50:53]
Tucker Carlson
Thrilled to hear that. So you get elected to Congress. What are your first impressions of it? What did you expect, and what did you find?
- [51:02]
George Santos
I've learned one thing. For the sake of the American people, it's not a serious place. It's essentially an overpaid and a very expensive high school.
- [51:10]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
- [51:10]
George Santos
That's the energy. I mean, people are pulling fire alarms. People are yelling at each other on the Capitol step.
- [51:16]
Tucker Carlson
The stoners, the preppy.
- [51:19]
George Santos
It's just so bad. And then there's a fashionistas which was. I was alone in that category. I felt so alone, I couldn't even get one of the lady congresswomen to, like, join me on that. Like, they're all so dull. I mean, I'll give Anna Paulina. She's kind of spicy.
- [51:33]
Tucker Carlson
She is, yeah.
- [51:33]
George Santos
She'll. She'll put her dad's ties on him. Like, okay, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's a look, you know, but we had fun, you know, but it was just so. It's not serious, Tucker. I'm fun, okay? I am a. I have a self deprecating sense of humor. I am larger than life. But I know how to be serious when serious is required. I will sit there, I will freaking give you spreadsheet charts of all the analysis, as I did, of a lot of the spending pork and the spending porn that was going on. And I would present this to the entire conference. I'd say, like, just read this over. I'm being serious. Are we seriously. Are we serious about our jobs? Or we're just doing messaging? Because at that point I learned 95% of Congress, at least in my time, there was messaging. Nothing was serious. Yeah, nothing was serious. The only time they were serious was when the unit party joined and passed their pork Scrupulous crs. And I remember asking Mike Johnson this on the floor once. Mike, why are we going on recess? It's July of 2023, and we don't have the 12 individual spending bills out of the Appropriations Committee. What's Kay Granger doing? He's like, oh, it's not Kay Granger's fault. Ask your Speaker. And I said, wait, what? And, and I proceed to go to one of Kevin's staffers. I'm like, why am I hearing that? The speaker told K. Granger not to progress with this. 12 individual spending bills. Oh, George, don't worry. It's so complicated, but we're almost there. Well, first of all, now, in hindsight, we know we had a senile chairwoman in, in Kate Granger, who, before she ended her term, she went into a mental health care facility for seniors. She was, like, wandering around Texas, lost. That's the chairwoman of the Appropriations Committee. The actual. You know, when they talk about the. The power of the purse. She holds the goddamn purse. She was senile.
- [53:32]
Tucker Carlson
She was in a memory care facility.
- [53:33]
George Santos
She was in a memory care facility. And I empathize with that. And I feel bad.
- [53:37]
Tucker Carlson
Of course, no one's mocking her. But.
- [53:38]
George Santos
But there was. That's a cover up. But.
- [53:41]
Tucker Carlson
So why would the speaker allow her to be chairman of the Appropriations Committee?
- [53:44]
George Santos
That's the COVID up. Mike Johnson knew of this after he became speaker and so did Steve Scalise, which I like. And so did Elise Stefanik. Leadership knew she was absent for six months. Her staff was still receiving pay without doing any work. This is. This is. This is Government Corruption 101. I'm going to call it out on both sides. I don't care.
- [54:07]
Tucker Carlson
You. And you should.
- [54:07]
George Santos
I don't care. Nobody's. Nobody's throwing themselves for me to save me. I'm going to prison for seven years. The only person that can help me is Donald Trump if he chooses to. And. And at that there's a bunch of people telling him not to. So I. Why am I going to be kind to these people and not say the truth?
- [54:22]
Tucker Carlson
Why you should be.
- [54:23]
George Santos
The truth will set me free, Tucker. That's how I look.
- [54:25]
Tucker Carlson
I totally agree with that.
- [54:26]
George Santos
You know, so. So when you go back to that and I'm having this conversation with Mike Johnson, that's where I also picked up a lot of respect for him because he didn't mince his words. But we find ourselves in this place that is not serious. They're not serious about passing a balanced budget. I've noticed they're not serious about cutting. I mean, Elon Musk blew half of his fortune by joining the government and going. And being the chair of doge for what? None of those cuts have been codified by Congress. We're reappropriating some of these cuts that were identified.
- [55:02]
Tucker Carlson
Never get rid of NPR funding. No.
- [55:05]
George Santos
I mean, sure. The only good thing that comes out of public broadcasting funded by the. It's Big Bird and Elmo.
- [55:11]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
- [55:11]
George Santos
See, the only good.
- [55:13]
Tucker Carlson
Who are a little creepy if you think about it.
- [55:14]
George Santos
But who cares? Aren't we all creepy? Someone. Who is it that has nightmares about you? I forgot the actress.
- [55:25]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, that's right. Probably more than one.
- [55:28]
George Santos
Yeah, well. But you get what I'm saying. I tell you, I know I'm creepy to people because they tell me on X. So we're all a little creepy.
- [55:36]
Tucker Carlson
Did you find creepy people in Congress?
- [55:37]
George Santos
Oh, tons.
- [55:39]
Tucker Carlson
Really Pervy.
- [55:40]
George Santos
I mean.
- [55:40]
Tucker Carlson
Well, actually pervy. I mean, seriously, if.
- [55:46]
George Santos
Look, I don't. I'm not in the business of throwing friends under the bus.
- [55:48]
Tucker Carlson
Right.
- [55:49]
George Santos
But in confidence, I've had actually reporters come to me and tell me of how members invite them to their offices. Oh, I have a scoop for you.
- [55:56]
Tucker Carlson
And then make moves on them in the office.
- [55:59]
George Santos
In the office. In the. In their office.
- [56:01]
Tucker Carlson
Weird sex stuff going on in Congress. Now, I keep hearing about this. Is that. Was that your. Your experience?
- [56:06]
George Santos
My experience was that it's a dirty place. I bought up to. I can't believe I'm giving you all of this.
- [56:12]
Tucker Carlson
No, no, no. But I. I keep hearing this from, like, members that I know, and it's like, really?
- [56:16]
George Santos
I bought up to Brian Style, the chairman of the admin Committee, one of my staffers. There's something called the cages in Congress, which is a storage unit for us, right? Those are the congressional cages.
- [56:30]
Tucker Carlson
Underneath.
- [56:30]
George Santos
Underneath. In the basement of every very congressional house office building. So I was in Longworth, and we're like, there's some stuff in the cages we might want to go check before we order supplies. And I'm like, the cages? That sounds pretty racy. What's that? They're like, oh, no, boss, it's the storage unit. I'm like, oh, okay, let me go there with you guys. Like, no, boss, you shouldn't go there. I'm like, why? And he's like, well, you know, there's some rumors. People are going out down there and having sex. I'm like, like, wait, is this serious? So I know a few other staffers from other members. So I went to some chief of staffs that I've known from the campaign time. You know, when you're campaigning, you're talking a lot more to chiefs than you are to staff, to. To the actual member, of course. So you built those relationships as a freshman. So I knew a couple of chiefs, and, like, yeah, it's. You know, it happens. Like, I. What am I going to do? Be the blocker? The. The sex police? I don't have time for that. I'm like. And there's no remedy to this? They're like, no. I'm like, why don't we put. Put cameras down there to. To. To create deterrence. So I approached this novel idea, which is like, we're talking about installing, like, maybe six cameras in each one of these sections to Brian Style, and he says, oh, we don't have time to focus on this. This is all based on baseless rumors. Then I learn that former members were caught having sex with staffers down in the cages, and that's why cameras will never go up. No way. Yeah. So this is. This is what we're dealing with. I mean, the last place on earth I ever thought I'd have to deal with sex scandals was.
- [57:58]
Tucker Carlson
But why in the government building? Like, everyone has a house, right?
- [58:01]
George Santos
Can I tell you something. I think part of it is this dominance fetish problem that they have in D.C. interesting.
- [58:07]
Tucker Carlson
What is that?
- [58:08]
George Santos
It's the power. Like, we're in Congress, I'm a staffer of the Hill, and you're coming here to service me. That's the mentality, whether you're a member or a staff or whatever. Whatever, you know, it's a dirty mentality. And I'm from New York. I have a high threshold for dirty and sleazy. But even for me, that kind of went like a notch above. And I'm like, I don't comprehend this. This is a government building. We're supposed to be boring. Sex was never in the job description.
- [58:43]
Tucker Carlson
Especially like, sadomasochistic tinged sex. Like, it's about.
- [58:47]
George Santos
We all saw the Senate Twink, right?
- [58:49]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, yeah. The guy having sex in the committee room.
- [58:52]
George Santos
I. In the confirmation room. Of all, when Amy Klobuchart's chair. How tragic.
- [58:59]
Tucker Carlson
What was the response to that?
- [59:01]
George Santos
I was already out at that point.
- [59:03]
Tucker Carlson
But were you shocked?
- [59:04]
George Santos
A terror. I was not just shocked. I'm gay.
- [59:08]
Tucker Carlson
Right.
- [59:08]
George Santos
I don't want to be associated to that. I. I fought. Fought too hard to disassociate from the Game Inc. And LGBT Mafia. This whole nonsense yesterday in New York City with the gay parade. None of that represents me and my partner. We don't walk around in thongs, in dog masks, on all four, like on our. On our. On fours. None of that represents us. We don't walk around naked. Well, what are you achieving with that? And then this kid goes in there and does this. What are you trying to achieve? Marginalized people who have fought like hell because if you go back to Stonewall. Stonewall was about rights, not about promiscuous city. Right, right. So what are these people trying to achieve? Creating hatred towards us. That. That has to be it. They're marginalizing us with these acts. So a person like that Twink, that kid from the Senate confirmation room, I loathe a human being like that because I instantly get. Get bundled into a basket to quote Hillary Clinton of deplorables. And I'm not that.
- [60:11]
Tucker Carlson
What do you think that is? I mean, it does seem like a way to establish dominance or something. Like, I get to have sex in the confirmation room. Like, there's nothing you can do about it. I don't know. There's. There's a hostility.
- [60:25]
George Santos
Nothing happened. He was fired, but no charges. Nothing happened.
- [60:30]
Tucker Carlson
Are members of Congress sleeping with each other?
- [60:32]
George Santos
There's a few, yeah. But consensual yeah, yeah.
- [60:35]
Tucker Carlson
Why?
- [60:36]
George Santos
Consensual. Consensual adults who, who, who are out of their, you know, relationships at this point.
- [60:41]
Tucker Carlson
Can you tell who the freaks are?
- [60:43]
George Santos
The freaks in Congress?
- [60:45]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
- [60:45]
George Santos
I can't. You know what, I'll say this to you. The freakiest member in Congress is a very good friend of mine.
- [60:51]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, she is?
- [60:52]
George Santos
He is.
- [60:53]
Tucker Carlson
He is.
- [60:55]
George Santos
But I would not. I, I, I don't want to go down this path. Let's just.
- [60:58]
Tucker Carlson
No, no, I won't. I'm not going to ask you about Nancy Mace.
- [61:00]
George Santos
We.
- [61:00]
Tucker Carlson
What is Nancy Mace?
- [61:01]
George Santos
Like, I don't get a lot. So Nancy and I.
- [61:04]
Tucker Carlson
What is that? What is the Nancy Mace thing? I, I don't know Nancy Mace.
- [61:07]
George Santos
I, we used to get along.
- [61:09]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
- [61:10]
George Santos
In 2020. And then she, she was the first one to the moment anything goes sideways. That's when you see people who were really your friends. She decided to go totally sideways on me and use me as a punching line and all that, but didn't vote to expel me. Didn't vote to expel me. Be. And I respect her for that. But, you know, Nancy is just, I mean, I can't explain it. According.
- [61:36]
Tucker Carlson
Seems very unhappy. There is a kind of exhibitionism, but it's not just exhibition, but there's something really sad.
- [61:42]
George Santos
She doesn't need to show herself naked. Her tits do it for her. They're massive.
- [61:46]
Tucker Carlson
Like, is that true?
- [61:48]
George Santos
Like her tits show up before she does any. If she's turning a door, you'll see her boobs first and you're like, oh, that's Mace.
- [61:55]
Tucker Carlson
Are they, are they famous? Famous in Congress.
- [61:58]
George Santos
They're pretty well known all around the country at this point. Have you not seen the videos? And again, not, not shaming, not body shaming. I think if she's happy with that, that's for her. But I'm just trying to say you don't need to show yourself naked to get the attention. Just put a nice little cleavage like you usually do and it works well, you know, like if it's attention her currency. That's just a fact. Her staff will tell you that if you speak to former staff of hers, your mind will blow.
- [62:23]
Tucker Carlson
What are they saying?
- [62:23]
George Santos
That she's an attention horror, self aggrandizement maniac. That's all they say. Every last one of her former staffers will say that. Every last.
- [62:35]
Tucker Carlson
Even by the standards of Congress.
- [62:37]
George Santos
That's the scary part. They say that it goes beyond. And these are people who've worked for other people. Remember, we're all megalomaniacs. But for her to stand out, it's a very special situation. You know, we're all megalomaniacs. That's not up for question. And if anyone tells you they're not, then they shouldn't be putting their name on a ballot because it takes a special kind of megalomania.
- [62:59]
Tucker Carlson
I totally.
- [63:00]
George Santos
To say, pick me, I'm the best for you.
- [63:03]
Tucker Carlson
No, I totally agree. I could never do that.
- [63:07]
George Santos
It's like, although I think you'll be president one day, I don't think I'm the best. But I think. But, but nobody is the best.
- [63:12]
Tucker Carlson
I'm not.
- [63:14]
George Santos
But I think you will be.
- [63:16]
Tucker Carlson
I feel, I just want to be super clear because I know Nancy Mace will see this and I have nothing against Nancy Mason. I'm not attacking her at all. I just feel a sad. It's like that seems like a super unhappy person who should pause, address whatever is making her show naked pictures of herself or talk about her sexual assault or alleged sexual assault or all that kind of behavior. I'm like, you should not be in a leadership position. Okay? Number one, you are not settled inside.
- [63:44]
George Santos
She take care of herself.
- [63:46]
Tucker Carlson
You shouldn't be in charge of other people. Like, are you joking? How can you have a system system that elevates unhappy, like obviously crazy unhappy people to positions of authority? That's not a, that's not a working system.
- [63:56]
George Santos
It explains her turnover.
- [63:58]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, is it high?
- [63:59]
George Santos
It's the worst by, by metrics. It's the worst turnover of, among staff in Congress. Of all Congress people. She has a worst turnover.
- [64:10]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah. That poor woman. Well, I, I hope whatever she needs.
- [64:13]
George Santos
Again, I guess I don't have. I don't hold an ounce of animosity right now. I say this, I say this jokingly because it's funny. I mean.
- [64:20]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, no, it.
- [64:21]
George Santos
And not miss a joke. If I could make it so. It's not to degrade or demean or shame her, but she's definitely traumatized. And, and maybe there's a lot of truth to what this criminal, alleged criminal ex boyfriend did to her. And it really hurt this woman because she's not the same woman I met in 2020.
- [64:37]
Tucker Carlson
But you don't get to lead my country. That's. I mean, I feel like we should be led by sober, responsible people who think longitudinally, who have squared away personal lives and people who love them, people to whom they're accountable. Grandchildren, like normal people, property owners. People are vested in the country, not people who are acting out their self actualization or whatever on stage.
- [64:59]
George Santos
Keyword Sober.
- [65:02]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, is there a lot of partying up there?
- [65:03]
George Santos
Oh, yeah. I mean, the amount of alcohol, the sheer volume of alcohol in Congress is staggering.
- [65:13]
Tucker Carlson
I know. And some of them are. Some of them have been caught by it. Alcoholics, a lot of them.
- [65:17]
George Santos
And some of them are great.
- [65:18]
Tucker Carlson
No, I.
- [65:19]
George Santos
People. And alcoholism is a. Is a disease that. Oh, it's very sad in there.
- [65:24]
Tucker Carlson
So I get it. No, I.
- [65:25]
George Santos
You know, look, I will say this. I like, I drink. I'm not an alcoholic per se.
- [65:32]
Tucker Carlson
Per se.
- [65:33]
George Santos
You know, or by the standards of Congress, I could never be an alcoholic because I can't drink half a bottle of scotch in one sitting or three bottles of wine. Like, I've seen some of these guys rush it. I'm like two glasses in.
- [65:46]
Tucker Carlson
And I'm just like, guys in leadership too, too, dude.
- [65:51]
George Santos
It's.
- [65:52]
Tucker Carlson
No, I know them. I heard from one the other night who I like so much. Nice man texting me late night about something totally bizarre. Not bad and not creep or anything, but just was clear he was drunk.
- [66:03]
George Santos
But, you know, it's the bottle text to you.
- [66:05]
Tucker Carlson
Loaded. Loaded. Sentimental, stuff like that. I'm like, h. So you noticed that a lot?
- [66:10]
George Santos
Well, I smelled it a lot, actually. Yeah. It was so bad. Everything is a part of. Right? So think of all those late nights voting, right? Some members, Tucker, would show up so wasted they would have to sit in the cloak room and hand their voting cards to sober members to go do their job, actually. Yeah. And that's actually against House rules. I've seen that in my. In my cloakroom. I know it happens in the Democrat cloakroom because I've exchanged notes with the fellow freshman. He's like, it happens here too. It's a shit show. So, yeah, I've. I've watched groups of some of my colleagues, some guys who I genuinely like a lot, sit in the corner of the cloakroom, completely inebriated, incapable of walking outside, standing still, sticking their car and pressing yay or nay and back. Especially when we had long amendment battles with like, you know, 70amendments. Yeah, they just hand their cards and say, just vote whichever way you're gonna vote. I mean, it's the only thing, like, just don't make me look crazy. I've seen it. You know, I've personally seen it, so. And nobody's ever probably going to have the cojones to come here and tell you this.
- [67:27]
Tucker Carlson
They have. I mean, clearly no one has respect for the institution, obviously.
- [67:30]
George Santos
0, 0. I mean, members leave D.C. to go back home sometimes under like the hush Hush. But they're still voting because someone else is voting for it. Them. That's criminal.
- [67:44]
Tucker Carlson
That actually happens.
- [67:45]
George Santos
Yeah, that happens. I've seen it.
- [67:47]
Tucker Carlson
Well, that's illegal.
- [67:48]
George Santos
Well, that's what I said. It's criminal.
- [67:51]
Tucker Carlson
Wow.
- [67:52]
George Santos
Wow. You know, it's not hard to pull up flight logs and do like, a tabulation of like, Wait, how could you be in two places at the same time? The FAA keeps strict flight logs.
- [68:02]
Tucker Carlson
Yes, they do.
- [68:04]
George Santos
It's not very hard to prove that. What I'm saying is fact.
- [68:07]
Tucker Carlson
It's just.
- [68:08]
George Santos
Just do an investigation and you'll see what.
- [68:11]
Tucker Carlson
Why don't congressional reporters ever write any of this stuff?
- [68:14]
George Santos
It's hard to note to their defense. It's hard to know if a member is there or not. It's a. Imagine 450, 435 people from a bird's eye view. When you're in the gallery, they look like ants, right? They're just, like, scrambling and wait. I didn't stay still. I would go from one end to the other. It's impossible to keep of track. Track. The way that they keep track is, oh, they must be here. They voted. Do you know how many times I would go in through. Under the. So the deus is here, and you have the reporters on top of it in the gallery. Sometimes I would come right underneath there. There's a little slip there to vote. They wouldn't see me because I didn't go to flight vote because I was giving an interview out or I was on a phone call, and you can't talk in the chamber. So I'd put it in my pocket, go in there, look up. Oh, this is a vote. Vote. Go back out there, continue my phone call. They would never see me, but they're seeing my vote go up. So, like, oh, he's here somewhere. That's. That's why they get away with it, you know?
- [69:08]
Tucker Carlson
But what about all the others? I mean, just the general vibe of it. I don't live there. I don't know a hundredth of what you know. But just from dealing with members of Congress a lot by text or on the phone, it seems kind of out of control.
- [69:22]
George Santos
It is, yeah.
- [69:23]
Tucker Carlson
It feels that way.
- [69:24]
George Santos
It's a frat house gone rogue.
- [69:25]
Tucker Carlson
It feels that way. And not in a fun way either.
- [69:29]
George Santos
At her expense.
- [69:30]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, at our expense. Exactly.
- [69:32]
George Santos
That's.
- [69:32]
Tucker Carlson
But I never. When was the last time Politico wrote that piece? Like, the reporters don't really seem to write about this.
- [69:39]
George Santos
I don't think there's an appetite because There's a currency of access in D.C. that reporters are pigeonholed to. And ethics has gone out the window for reporters and large. Because if they actually do the hard bangers, the ones that are in D.C. do the hard bangers, you lose access. The outlets don't want that. So what, there's an outsourcing that happens, right? So they'll get a whiff of something, give it to their editors and say, I can't write this, but find someone. But then when you're outsourcing it and the person isn't there and doesn't have access, the story doesn't get written without confirmed. You can't get a second and a third to confirm. You know, it's tough for them to write it.
- [70:19]
Tucker Carlson
It is tough.
- [70:19]
George Santos
So it's. There's. There's an ethics issue that's going on in Congress and reporting for a while now.
- [70:26]
Tucker Carlson
I. I believe that the answer to the question I asked at the outset, which is, why did they decide to destroy you? Not that you did nothing wrong, but your sins compared to the sins of your colleagues, didn't really stand out, in my opinion, at all.
- [70:42]
George Santos
I was a great volleyball player.
- [70:45]
Tucker Carlson
So that's it. So I just want to ask you about that. So the reason I wanted to interview those before I got fired from Fox and I never got to the interview, but I just wanted to tell you I thought that was the funniest thing I'd ever heard. That was like Dada. That was like performance art. That was just incredible. On the volleyball team at Baruch.
- [71:02]
George Santos
That's like.
- [71:03]
Tucker Carlson
I wish I'd thought of that. I'm sorry. I know I will be attacked for being nihilistic or making fun of serious things, but I did think that was funny. I don't care. But I think you may have infuriated people by mocking the system itself. This is my kind of pet theory. I know it's kind of.
- [71:20]
George Santos
Oh, no, it's a. It's. It's my theory.
- [71:22]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, is it? Okay, so tell me.
- [71:23]
George Santos
So the volleyball story. A lot of people don't understand.
- [71:26]
Tucker Carlson
So what is the volleyball story? Tell us the volleyball.
- [71:28]
George Santos
I had a GOP chairman in the district, Joe Cairo, who's a sports fanatic. Notre Dame grad. Still live. He's like 80 and he still lives in the dawn of Notre Dame. He's. He was. He used to. What do you whistle? Like referee, I guess. Games. Until he got injured, so he couldn't. But he still goes to the games. Very big football fan. Every second word out of his mouth is a sports analogy. Yeah, I don't like football. I go to watch baseball, but I don't understand the plays too much, but I enjoy the, the sport. It's, it's all American, right?
- [72:01]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, yeah.
- [72:03]
George Santos
I know everything about volleyball, but I've never really played because I never really went to college. So I said, I'm just going to make up. I went to college, played volleyball, and I can have some sports analogies and he'll like me. And it worked. I'm sorry. It was, it was supposed to be a little white lie just to create proximity with one guy. But then he started talking about how I was a volleyball star. I'm like, fuck. This went completely. And then I like literally started googling like, oh, Baruch played Harvard. They beat them all. I could think of, you know, but sadly, it's the truth. You know, like I up, I, I, I, I fell into the. There's no such thing as a white lie, Tucker.
- [72:45]
Tucker Carlson
I think that's true.
- [72:46]
George Santos
There's no such thing. There's no white little lie. Just so no you don't hurt feel. No, no, no. The truth is imperative because I am. I went from being known by my friends as being a blunt asshole to becoming liar, liar, pants on fire. And it's so shocking. Some of my friends tell me that they're like, george, how do you go from being the guy who would eviscerate people to their face face to now being called a liar? I'm like, I don't know. You think the politics, volleyball.
- [73:15]
Tucker Carlson
My favorite was you had said or you were perceived to have said. I no idea what you actually said. But people would say he pretended to work at Goldman Sachs and he didn't. As if working at Goldman Sachs was proud of.
- [73:29]
George Santos
So that, that was another thing that hilarious to me.
- [73:32]
Tucker Carlson
Like, they're mad that you didn't work at Goldman Sachs.
- [73:35]
George Santos
Like, what, what? That's where Tulsi actually really got me.
- [73:38]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, she did.
- [73:38]
George Santos
And I tried to explain and then I said, it's just going to go everybody's head. I've worked for a company and we contracted work with them for the sake of embellishing. And everybody embellishes a resume. That's an actual fact. I'm not saying you should, but everybody likes to make them feel a little bit more important. So I put it on there. Oh my God, that was so bad. Oh, big mistake. Never embellish for me. Never embellish.
- [74:02]
Tucker Carlson
Well, I'm so grateful you didn't work at Goldman Sachs. In fact, you should get a tattoo that says I did not work at Goldman Sachs or brag about or City City group. Can you imagine, imagine anything more shameful?
- [74:14]
George Santos
It, it's, it's today actually. I'm embarrassed to ever had said that. Like thinking to myself today, I'm like, of all things to lie or to embellish. Why would I embellish?
- [74:25]
Tucker Carlson
No, because if you were like an only fans performer, just like a straight.
- [74:28]
George Santos
More honest, straight walker, you could at.
- [74:30]
Tucker Carlson
Least say like I ran out of money, whatever. But if you work at Citibank or Goldman, like it's hard to explain. Like I wouldn't want one of my children to come home and say I took a job at Goldman Goldman. I would be really upset.
- [74:41]
George Santos
No, I don't blame you.
- [74:42]
Tucker Carlson
Sorry.
- [74:42]
George Santos
No, no, I don't blame you. It's like working for blackrock and Blackstone. It's, it's, it's these, these mega corporations are part of the problems we have.
- [74:50]
Tucker Carlson
I completely agree. So. But you think that making a mockery of what the rest of them pretend to hold sacred is what made them hate you?
- [75:02]
George Santos
I exposed the theater.
- [75:05]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
- [75:06]
George Santos
And you know, it's funny. And I say this because I do. You know, when you look up to someone really well like and, and, and you're like, this is a standup guy. This is somebody I admire. And for me that was Ryan Zinke.
- [75:20]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
- [75:21]
George Santos
Always thought he was such a stellar statesman. The hat thing going on. I think it's cool. Former seal, former seal, Secretary of the Interior, Congressman. Just a good man.
- [75:33]
Tucker Carlson
Yes.
- [75:33]
George Santos
Do you know what's the first things he said to me on the House floor once? He's like, george, let me talk to you. I know you're going through some stuff, but just remember this, this is all theater. All that matters is you have one of the best seats in the House. I completely lost respect for him. Like, talk about never meet your heroes.
- [75:51]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, no, I know.
- [75:53]
George Santos
Like, I sat there like, oh, okay. Haha. I, I left so defeated that day. I remember going back to the office, I looked at my chief, I'm like, I, I don't understand this place. He's like, what happened? I said this, this, this happened. He's like, oh, but he's, he's just trying to be funny. I'm like, I didn't think it was funny. I mean, and I, and I, I'm not, not laughing at jokes. And that's when I started to realize it's all theater. And I expose the theater.
- [76:20]
Tucker Carlson
But I mean, how long can this Continue. Does anyone there think like okay, Congress doesn't actually make meaningful decisions. They passed all their power to the President, the executive, to the agencies. All the power of regulation. All the real power exists outside of Congress. They have only budgetary power, which they don't really exercise. They don't leverage joke and they're having sex in the basement. Like how long does this go on?
- [76:45]
George Santos
I don't think if, if Congress. I hate using this as an example because it can be viewed as an, as a terrible way, but did you ever watch a show, Designated Survivor with Keith or Sutherland? No know, essentially a terrorist attack happens and a conspiracy happens in the country and the whole. During the State of the Union, the capital's blown up.
- [77:05]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
- [77:06]
George Santos
All governments wiped out. The only person left is a designated survivor, which is a secretary of I think hud and he becomes President of United States. Right. And it's Kether Sutherland.
- [77:18]
Tucker Carlson
So we all get crappy housing. We all move to.
- [77:20]
George Santos
Well, what that show shows. Not advocating for that. But what that show kind of shows you is Congress was so broken that when they have a clean slate they bring this whole I got goosebumps talking about this. But I think what we genuinely need is a shake up. We need to clean house. Republican, Democrat, everyone. I mean it's bad enough we have senators like Chuck Grassley who are like four generations removed from the actual bulk of the working for workforce in America today. Who's what, under 40, under 45. Chuck Grassley's almost 90 and he's talking about potentially running for reelection. I don't know that he'll do that, but understand that. And I love Chuck Grassley.
- [78:04]
Tucker Carlson
Me too.
- [78:05]
George Santos
Tons of sacrifices. But we, we need to learn how to let go. We can't all. Diane Feinstein. It, you know, and, and to me, me, she rest in peace. She was a trailblazer in her own right. You know, I disagree with her, but she was a strong woman, went to Congress, became a senator, whatever. I disagree with her policies. But she served her country in the best way she thought she did. But why are we letting these people die in office in such. It's like watching Joe Biden. It was elder abuse. The whole presidency was elder abuse. Why are we doing this to our country? At what cost is this coming? So I think we need a reset. A great American reset. And that means everybody needs to just not run for reelection. I don't care if you're a freshman today, we just need, need a real reset. I want, I try to convince them to pass a bill that would Say every Congress. If that Congress fails, and it's not my bill, but if that Congress fails to balance the budget, which is its sole duty and obligation, every member, therefore, would be ineligible for reelection. I was laughed at by every single person I propose this to.
- [79:14]
Tucker Carlson
I bet you were.
- [79:15]
George Santos
I was laughed at. I mean, we were promised term limits, which I suppose report. I have some issues with it. Because the moment you pass term limits, you're handicapping the choice of the people and deferring the power to staff. Which is dangerous.
- [79:30]
Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
- [79:31]
George Santos
It's a very dangerous move. So there needs to be provisions in term limits that also move on to staff and what capacity they can serve, for how long. Because we already have an issue with staff in D.C. which is what lobbyists wine and dine committee directors more often than they do members do. You know why?
- [79:49]
Tucker Carlson
Of course.
- [79:49]
George Santos
They slip in the pork.
- [79:51]
Tucker Carlson
Because they make the decision and nobody knows.
- [79:53]
George Santos
Members aren't reading bills. Unless you're Thomas Massey and Chip Roy, nobody's reading bills. I did.
- [79:58]
Tucker Carlson
They don't read them.
- [80:00]
George Santos
No, I did. Do you know why I had no committees? I was bored.
- [80:04]
Tucker Carlson
Why did you have no committees?
- [80:05]
George Santos
I, I, I stepped down from committee assignments because I genuinely believed it was would really hurt the work of the committee. I. Tucker, I had A Tale of 60 Reporters at Days harassing.
- [80:20]
Tucker Carlson
So you. I, I'm so. And pardon my aging memory, you were under. So you get elected in 22.
- [80:29]
George Santos
Yep.
- [80:30]
Tucker Carlson
You come in January 23rd, and you're out by December 23rd. So that means 11 months. 11 months. And you got there and you were already in the middle of the swarm.
- [80:41]
George Santos
Yeah. For I, I had been already 10 days since the New York Times story broke.
- [80:46]
Tucker Carlson
Wow.
- [80:47]
George Santos
So when I showed up. You don't understand. There's a video of me. I look like Dora the Explorer. I had a book bag. I, I like wearing book bags. But this particular one was from my 2020 election that I almost got elected and then the absentee ballots reversed the result. Long story. So it was the House GOP Conference 1. And I said, on my first day, this time around, I'm going to wear that dumb bag. So I had the book B back. Like, literally, like first day at school, kind of like vibe. Had my staff with me and we're walking to my office. When we turned the Corner, at least 50 reporters. Cameras. I forgot what they're called. Those bigger cameras that do live feeds. I mean, you wouldn't believe it. We couldn't open our door without tripping over reporters. And this was from the very first day, January 3rd.
- [81:38]
Tucker Carlson
Damn.
- [81:38]
George Santos
And then. Then if you go back to the Speaker's vote, as we're going through all those rounds, you would think that I was the main subject of the. Of the vote. Because C SPAN cameras were all. If I moved all the cameras. I remember joking. Matt Gates is like, George Santos moved. Look, you know where he's sitting because the cameras are pointing in that direction. I don't know if it was matter for his large. Somebody said that. Actually, I don't think it was Matt. I think it was someone else who said it. But it was like the cameras kept moving in whichever. Which direction I went. Like, if you go back to the coverage of the Speaker's vote, it's like me plastered everywhere in. In a very uncomfortable way. Like I was scratching my nose, and people said I was picking my nose.
- [82:24]
Tucker Carlson
I'm.
- [82:24]
George Santos
Like, I'm scratching my nose.
- [82:26]
Tucker Carlson
Do you think there's anything a Democratic member of Congress could do to get expelled? Would. Do you think 100 Republicans would vote for the expulsion of a Democrat For. For anything? I mean. I mean, assault somebody and they're still there.
- [82:38]
George Santos
Look, I reject the notion of expulsion. I wrote a piece recently and I ran it on the South Shore Press on the case of Lamonica McIverson. I reject any notion of expelling her. I think she needs to be afforded due process. Just because. Obviously, just because you set bad precedent with me doesn't mean one size fits all. And that gets people a little, like, off guard when I say that, because they would think I want to see everybody expelled. No, I believe in the Constitution. I believe in due process.
- [83:05]
Tucker Carlson
Process. 100.
- [83:06]
George Santos
She needs to have due process.
- [83:08]
Tucker Carlson
The people rule. They'll decide who serves.
- [83:10]
George Santos
He acted like a thug, don't get me wrong. Outside that ICE facility.
- [83:13]
Tucker Carlson
I couldn't agree more.
- [83:14]
George Santos
But she has due process.
- [83:17]
Tucker Carlson
That's exactly.
- [83:17]
George Santos
And Alina Hobb is delivering it.
- [83:22]
Tucker Carlson
So in the end, you were. The DOJ was as tough on you, the Democrat, controlled doj, as the. The. Your. Some of your Republican colleagues.
- [83:33]
George Santos
I mean, Merrick Garland supervised this case directly. Directly, Directly. I mean, my attorneys were talking to the DOJ attorneys and they say, okay, we got to go back to the AG and see if this works.
- [83:46]
Tucker Carlson
Damn.
- [83:46]
George Santos
And so that's. That's a lot. It's a lot of pressure. Now I understand probably why I'm a city member of Congress. That kind of checks. But you would think that that would be more hands off. Once I was expelled, it continued the same. Everything was run through the AG they had Zero agency. The one thing that brings cause for pause is the amount of discrepancies throughout this entire process. I had exculpatory evidence being withheld for 14 months. Significant, not just nominal significant exculpatory evidence being withheld for 14 months. Motions ignoring Supreme Court rulings. I mean, we go, it's, it's a laundry list. I'm being forced, Tucker, to pay back 200, somewhat $200 and somewhat odd thousand dollars back to the NRC money that I've never seen. It was used towards my campaign and the NRCC in its own admission says they would have spent the money. That's the bare minimum they spend anyway because my polling numbers were good. The DOJ says they only spend it under false pretenses because I said I was something I was not.
- [84:52]
Tucker Carlson
So NRCC is not National Republican Campaign Committee.
- [84:56]
George Santos
Yeah.
- [84:56]
Tucker Carlson
Is not asking you this, but I'm being forced.
- [84:59]
George Santos
DOJ is requiring, is forcing me because they needed that number in order to get the points higher to get to the 87 month sentence.
- [85:07]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, it's also grotesque. By the way, I forgot to ask you, what did your colleagues think of Trump, like behind the scenes? What did they say about Don?
- [85:14]
George Santos
Oh, I, I, I love seeing the fakery. You know, I, if I, if I, if I got a dollar for every time I heard somebody say he's not going to get elected. This is nonsense. We need to move on from him. I'd be a billionaire.
- [85:28]
Tucker Carlson
Be able to pay your legal fees.
- [85:30]
George Santos
Absolutely. I probably wouldn't be going to.
- [85:33]
Tucker Carlson
You feel the fraudulence.
- [85:34]
George Santos
You know, so, I mean, look, Mark Green is one, the chairman of the Homeland who's now stepping down because he's doing some gold deal in Guyana, but is still serving while he's negotiated employment terms. Don't even get me started on that one.
- [85:50]
Tucker Carlson
Negotiating a gold deal in Guyana while still in Congress.
- [85:53]
George Santos
Yes. And he's notified the ethics committee, according to his own public statements, and everything is kosher. They're aware that I've already have employment terms, terms secured. I'm like, you're lobbying for a new job while still holding a position of public trust. That's, that's per se freaking criminal, I would say. I mean, what are we doing? So, so you know, you have him, you have so many fraudsters there. Like on. President Trump has about a good three dozen real allies in the House. Yes, like that's about a real three dozen dozen real allies. Like Elise Stefanik. Marjorie.
- [86:30]
Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
- [86:31]
George Santos
Those are his allies. The rest, they're just as dumbfounded as probably the Democrats are, that he got.
- [86:37]
Tucker Carlson
Elected and they don't like him.
- [86:39]
George Santos
They don't like him. And they're fake. They're very fake. And, and it's, it's this posturing and it, it's painful because I know some of the guys who work for President Trump who, who, who vet this crap, and they know obviously they need to play nice or else they're going to stall his agenda. Agenda. So, so I'm not here to tell the President to go scorch earth on them, but I just want him to know, you know, there's a lot of fake people there, people who, who were literally trashing him. I mean, it just.
- [87:07]
Tucker Carlson
What do you think Mike Johnson thinks of him?
- [87:09]
George Santos
I mean, look, I'll say this about Mike. I know Mike is a supporter because he, he was in his is, is expo. Is.
- [87:18]
Tucker Carlson
He was in the courtroom.
- [87:19]
George Santos
Oh, not just a courtroom. Forget that. I can tell you a bunch of those who showed up there who, who really care for Trump impeachment defense team. Right.
- [87:28]
Tucker Carlson
So, Right. If you're putting your first, No, I agree.
- [87:30]
George Santos
First term, if you're putting yourself in that position, you care for the guy like Lee Zeldin cares for him. You know, like, I think President Trump's biggest allies are already around him, with the exception of Elise, who I kind of feel got a raw deal with what happens or she should be the UN Ambassador.
- [87:44]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, I don't understand what that was about.
- [87:45]
George Santos
I, I, it's, it's backstabbing. I mean, Elise is a knife holder. She's the new knife holder in Congress. Everybody backstabbed at her on that. That, that one wasn't, that wasn't by design. That was, that was purposefully done to hurt her. And I think it's really wrong what they did to Elise.
- [88:01]
Tucker Carlson
Who did it, do you think?
- [88:03]
George Santos
Look, the Speaker I know lobbied, begging for him to stop pulling from the House and ask him to reconsider. Elise and I have that on good authority. I, I mean, nobody gave me receipts, but I spoke to enough people. Once you hear something from more than three people and it's the same exact words, you start believing that it's credible. And I think that's the standard for reporting. Reporting, right.
- [88:22]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, it was a standard in life.
- [88:24]
George Santos
You don't need to give me a receipt or a text message or a recorded phone call, because if three different people within a specific spectrum, right. In D.C. all were able to convert, and I didn't just hear it from three, I heard it from about four or five. And they all said the same thing, that the speaker was asking him to reconsider because he was concerned about what was going to happen in her primary up there for in her special election up there. I believe he's called culpable. And, and that's why I believe he bought back the position of the chair of the conference, the chair of leadership, you know, because it's, it's guilt. Again, I'm not accusing him of anything nefarious.
- [89:00]
Tucker Carlson
No, I get it.
- [89:01]
George Santos
I. I'm just explaining that math is hard and, and this math was simple. If she left and that special election went to hell, that meant we wouldn't have one more seat, and that would have made things even more tight.
- [89:14]
Tucker Carlson
So I don't think that's crazy. I mean, that seems like a totally legitimate explanation.
- [89:19]
George Santos
And rumors are she's very unhappy, as she should be. I would, I would be a bull with tits. I would see red everywhere I go. I don't know how she's still smiling on camera. I'd just be sour. Pussy.
- [89:34]
Tucker Carlson
People enjoy serving in the House.
- [89:36]
George Santos
Some do. I did. Despite everything, it was an honor of a life time. I don't think I'd ever do it again because I don't think there's anything happening there that I, I think I can be more effective out here than in there, you know, educating people on how it works and how dirty it is, because I still have. I will, I will be well sourced in the House for at least another decade and a half. Right. With time, it dwindles down, but I will be well sourced at least with. For a decade and a half. A lot of people who came in this Congress, I already knew them to, to from trying previously or just from knowing them from, you know, the MAGA world. So again, there's always that. So there's some people who enjoy it. I enjoyed it very much. It was an honor of a lifetime. I'm a people person. I love helping people. It's. It's something I enjoy. And that job gave me the official authority to help people.
- [90:27]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
- [90:27]
George Santos
And I found it very fun. I mean, I had Wednesdays we would, I would answer calls in my office again, remember Tucker? I had no committee assignments, so I was pretty free. So. So I started answering phone calls every Wednesday and just like, pick up the phone, pick up the phone. I just be like, office of Congressman George Santos, how can I help you? Who's this? I'm like, this is a congressman. No way. You pick up your own phone while everybody abandoned. I'm like, no, everybody's busy. The phone was ringing, and I'm available. How can I help you? People would be so shocked because a lot of these times it was just agitators calling to nag. And I'm like, how can I help you? Well, you know, Congressman, listen, I take great issue with, with you, but I'm actually shocked you answered your own phone. I'm like, I mean, what's wrong with answering your own phone? I'm not a. A lord with a pointy hat sitting in a throne. I'm like, I answer my own phone. So I would have very interesting conversations. I regularly, when I was not in D.C. i kept a schedule of 9 to 5 in my district office. I showed up to work every day. And my staff, my chief of staff would find that so strange. Strange. Being a veteran on the Hill and my, Even my district director, who worked for Lee Selden previously for four. Four terms, eight years, found that very odd. Like, sir, you don't have to be here. Do you have any events, any public agenda? I'm like, no, but I'm on paper. I'm on. I'm on the clock. I'm getting paid, so what can I do to help? And they'd sit there very uncomfortable. I mean, I'm the principal, and I'm sitting there, and it's a small space, and they're just like, all stiff on the computer. I'm like, guys, you can act normal. Please don't pretend you're busy, because if you're not busy, then ahead on the work. But if you, if you're backed up, let me help. And I did constituent work. I don't care. I totally love that people would walk by like, you actually show up. I'm like, yeah, come on in. You want some water? I got Diet Coke in the back. I got snacks. I. I kept a hefty stock, Stockpile of snacks on the taxpayer dime because it was for the taxpayer.
- [92:25]
Tucker Carlson
What kind of snacks?
- [92:27]
George Santos
Pirate Booties was a big favorite. It's like an organic, Organic puff of. I don't. I think it's a organic popcorn. I. I'm very conscious about labels. So seed oils or those things are. No, no, no, no. Extreme dyes. So I'm, like, very in line with the Maha movement, right? In Congress. I compared Dan and nutrition facts, label from America, yogurt and one from Europe. Europe has five ingredients, the American one. And. And for strawberry yogurt, the American one has had everything but strawberries and, like, 19 ingredients.
- [93:00]
Tucker Carlson
So at least.
- [93:01]
George Santos
So I would keep a lot of Pirate Booties and some Hershey Kisses. Try to keep it really fun for people. I saw over here, you keep dry fruit. I'm a big dry fruit guy. Like dry fruit. I love dry fruits.
- [93:11]
Tucker Carlson
I don't know if it's good for you, but I like it.
- [93:13]
George Santos
Mango, dry fruit. The best. Did you ever see the brand peeled?
- [93:17]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, we've got some over there.
- [93:18]
George Santos
So good. I buy that by the bags. I love it. I don't know that it's really good for you, but it's really high fructose. For sure. But it's so good.
- [93:27]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, I like it too much, so I know it's not good. Yeah, Anything I like is not good.
- [93:31]
George Santos
Yeah, that's kind of me.
- [93:32]
Tucker Carlson
So you're going away in 24 days. I asked you off camera that I know a million people going to prison. I know more people going to prison than most people. And I always ask everybody the same, like, you don't think you deserve the sentence. You think you got screwed. In your case, I agree with you.
- [93:48]
George Santos
My first time offender.
- [93:49]
Tucker Carlson
No, it's. It's nuts.
- [93:50]
George Santos
I wasn't even given those credits.
- [93:53]
Tucker Carlson
So why not? I mean, if they're not, if the system's not going to be fair, then why do you have to play along with the system? Why don't you just split?
- [94:00]
George Santos
I'm proud. I'm extremely proud. I'd rather go down with the ship. Like the same way that I. I said put up or shut up and didn't leave and didn't quit. I don't run, I don't split. And I could, right? And that's why they called me a flight risk and they sequestered my passports because I'm a dual citizen by birth. I was born here, but my parents are, are or you know, legal immigrants to this country. And I.
- [94:22]
Tucker Carlson
From where?
- [94:23]
George Santos
Brazil and. And through Grant my grandparents. I also am legally a Belgium citizen. So they sequestered my documents and all of that. And here we are.
- [94:34]
Tucker Carlson
I. But you never seriously considered, never stowing away to Antwerp.
- [94:39]
George Santos
Inquire. Reach out. The rag reached out. I was still in office and saying that he had gotten a tip that I was planning to flee. And this was like, I. I want to say June of 2023, that he had multiple sources confirming that I had plans to flee in a private jet and I was going to split the country. And I was. I had just been indicted probably a month earlier. And I. I called my. My com director told me this. I said, let's call this guy. I put all my lawyers on the line put the call on speaker. Speaker called him from my office phone. I had my chief of staff, my. My communications director, my deputy chief of staff, my operations director, and my. My senior advisor all sitting in the room. And I said, hi, how can I help you? Oh, Congressman, this is Enquirer. I'm the chief editor. Forgot the loser's name. Could care less. And he says, I have on good authority that you're planning to flee in a week or two in a private jet that you arranged changed. I'm gonna keep it PG here. But I said, and who told you this marvelous story? Mary Poppins, you effing inbred, like. And then it went from there. And I said, I dare you to publish it. I will sue you. I will bankrupt. I will own your rag. And my. My attorney's in my ear. He's like, congressman, that's not. No, no, no. You're provoking him. And then I'm like, and furthermore, I will hunt down your entire. Goddamn. So do it. I dared him. It never happened. I hung up. The entire staff goes to me is like, that's not how this call was supposed to go. I'm like, you know what? I'm tired of playing by whatever recommendations you guys.
- [96:29]
Tucker Carlson
Well, I mean, a call like that from a journalist is almost always inspired by a call to him from somebody else. He's doing the bidding of somebody else. They're like, he DOJ is encouraging this, right? They want the story to be out there that you're considering during fleeing the country. So they can.
- [96:45]
George Santos
Just like CNN was informed that I was indicted before I was.
- [96:50]
Tucker Carlson
No way.
- [96:51]
George Santos
Two hours before we were notified of the indictment, my attorney, Joseph Murray, got a call from CNN saying, hey, I heard George Hansels is indicted. What are you doing? And he's like, I'm sorry. This is news to me. The guy goes silent two hours. He's like, hey, now I know you've been notified that he's been indicted in my attorney. Attorney's like, what is going on? CNN knew two hours prior to me getting indicted.
- [97:15]
Tucker Carlson
So disgusting. So how do you feel about it? I mean, looking at this long stretch.
- [97:21]
George Santos
Tucker, can I be honest with you?
- [97:22]
Tucker Carlson
You will.
- [97:24]
George Santos
I don't know that I survive it. They're putting me in a violent prison. It's a medium facility. I'm not a streetwise guy. I don't know how to fight. I'm a gay man. We statistics tell you what happens to gay men in prison. I don't know that I survive this. I'm being honest I mean, I can't change that. It's sad. I, you know, I have a family. I, I have.
- [97:46]
Tucker Carlson
Are you serious?
- [97:47]
George Santos
I'm genuinely serious. You people think I'm exaggerating when I say this. I've never had to fight a day in my life. I grew up in a very sheltered life, apartment, kid in New York City. I, I don't have wilderness. I mean, my experience in wilderness, let's call it. I like skiing, you know, but, but it's, it's just not me. I'm not that guy. I don't know that I survived this. I mean, I am. This could be very much my last interview. And I'm not trying to be overdramatic here. I'm just being honest with you. I look at this as practically a death sentence to what could occur to me. And we've seen this. It's not like I'm saying something out of the ordinary. I'm not the, I'm not built for this. And I'm not saying, oh, don't, don't want to do the time, don't do the crime. Crime. This isn't about this. I, I, this is about the type of punishment the justice system is supposed to be reformative for people. Not punitive. This is punitive.
- [98:40]
Tucker Carlson
We're supposed to dispense justice.
- [98:42]
George Santos
This is punitive.
- [98:43]
Tucker Carlson
Justice is, of course, absolute. Some things are absolutely right, others absolutely wrong, but it's also a relative measure. So if a rapist doesn't get seven years, then a guy who's accused of mishandling $50,000 in campaign contributions shouldn't get seven years. Like, that's just doesn't. I mean, that's part of justice, right?
- [98:59]
George Santos
That's the crux of it.
- [99:00]
Tucker Carlson
Right? There's a scale of severity when we describe crimes.
- [99:04]
George Santos
The guy who threatened and plotted to kill Anna Luna Paulina and a, he had three years. The guy who plotted to kill me got probation.
- [99:16]
Tucker Carlson
Seriously?
- [99:17]
George Santos
Serious. It's, it's public record. Guy down in Florida, I think, Brevar County. I, I chose not to ask for, like, some punitive thing because he didn't actually do it or, or try, but he did decide device a plan and notify me of the plan. And that's why Capitol Police took action, and he didn't get any time. Rapists in New York City, in New York State, up in upstate New York, there was this guy who molested nine different children. That's six months. Six months. They're sending me for seven years and three months to prison in a medium facility. Prison with known, with people there who are known gang members and people who are rapists, sex offenders. I should at bare minimum be in a camp. I'm not saying I'm special or, or I deserve special treatment. It's just about. I'm not a violent person. I'm as. I am a pacifist, squared. Like, I don't get into physical altercations. You can come in my face, spit. Dude. I don't have the. I don't have this urge to be violent. I'm not violent. I'm a total nonviolent human being. Hence I'm also a very non interventionist type of person when it comes to war.
- [100:32]
Tucker Carlson
Sue, this is like so bonkers. And there's nothing you can do.
- [100:37]
George Santos
The only thing, the only thing I can do as a human being today is pray that my, my pardon application or clemency application, commutation, whatever reaches the DOJ on time and President Trump can act on it. That's literally the only thing I have.
- [100:50]
Tucker Carlson
You think is advocating for you to do seven years. Who's whispering in the presidency or that you need to serve seven years in prison?
- [100:57]
George Santos
A few people.
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Tucker Carlson
Can you name any?
- [100:59]
George Santos
Of course. The county executive of Nassau County, Bruce Blakeman. The chairman of Nassau County, Joe Cairo. Former congressman Anthony Disposition. Congressman Nick Loda. These people hate me. It's vitriolic.
- [101:11]
Tucker Carlson
It's seven years in prison for non violent crime.
- [101:14]
George Santos
Some people said that it wasn't enough. There were people actually saying they didn't think it was enough.
- [101:18]
Tucker Carlson
There was.
- [101:19]
George Santos
Congressman Loda was cheering it on his social media.
- [101:23]
Tucker Carlson
Man. I, I think we should be careful before we cheer other people's destruction.
- [101:27]
George Santos
I, I completely agree.
- [101:29]
Tucker Carlson
That's a principle we should all remember. I, I didn't share when they shot Osam bin Laden and I didn't like Osam bin Laden.
- [101:34]
George Santos
But I didn't cheer.
- [101:35]
Tucker Carlson
I didn't hear anyone's death.
- [101:37]
George Santos
I disagreed with killing Saddam Hussein. I thought it was a mistake.
- [101:39]
Tucker Carlson
Well, you turned out to be. You were right on that.
- [101:43]
George Santos
And I. It was a very unpopular take at the time.
- [101:45]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah. No. Iran controls the country. So very, very, very. No. None of the geniuses who ever apologize for that. No. But just in general, wishing misfortune on other people, taking pleasure in the suffering of others is not. It's not a good thing to do. It's very unwise.
- [101:59]
George Santos
Bad karma. Big time, Big time. And the world goes around.
- [102:03]
Tucker Carlson
I completely agree.
- [102:03]
George Santos
And karma comes with it and slaps you in the face. It's almost like when you're in the, on the, the merry go round and you have your hand out and you're slapping people. That's karma on the world.
- [102:13]
Tucker Carlson
Totally agree.
- [102:13]
George Santos
It's pretty bad.
- [102:14]
Tucker Carlson
When I was in prison, you visited me. That's what, you know, that's what we're commanded to do. So do you expect to be visited and by whom?
- [102:21]
George Santos
So I'm not allowed to because I'm a high profile or they call celebrity status. They only allow family members numbers. Yeah, I don't know what my technology situation is right now. If I'm going to have access to technology. It, that's dicey. We, you know, two of my employers said that they will, I can keep writing for them from prison. They don't mind. They know that I can figure it out and you know, whatever access. And that also helps me be able to maintain myself gainfully employed to continue to support and provide for my family, which I'm a big provider for them. Yeah, I, I don't know that that's all up in the air. It's. They only start talking to you two weeks out. So next week is when we start to have these conversations.
- [103:04]
Tucker Carlson
Looked at prison Tik Tok.
- [103:05]
George Santos
Huh?
- [103:05]
Tucker Carlson
You ever looked at prison Tik Tok?
- [103:07]
George Santos
I have not.
- [103:07]
Tucker Carlson
No, I haven't either, but I was just hearing about it the other day. Apparently prisoners are all over Tik Tok recording their thoughts and music videos and stuff from prison.
- [103:15]
George Santos
The last thing I want to do is get caught with a phone and add more time.
- [103:18]
Tucker Carlson
That's exactly right. Last question. Are you, what are you doing to prepare psychologically?
- [103:24]
George Santos
I've tried everything. I went off, I went on a hiatus. I haven't done media until last week when Mandami, I was on a six week media hiatus and, and Chanel Rion from OAN had me to. I love Chanel. And I said, you know what?
- [103:39]
Tucker Carlson
I'll.
- [103:39]
George Santos
I'll give you one last. We'll do a last one, right? And then when one of your production folks called me, I said, I answered the phone and I, I said her name and she's like, you have my phone number saved. I'm like, of course I would. I don't want to say her name because I don't want to dox her. So she's like, can you do it? I'm like, look, I can do it.
- [103:58]
Tucker Carlson
The last time you agreed to do my show, it didn't go well.
- [104:01]
George Santos
I told her that.
- [104:02]
Tucker Carlson
Sorry, sorry, sorry.
- [104:03]
George Santos
So I said no fill ins, right? No surprises. But all kidding aside, she was wonderful. And, and we Found this was Sturzan. And here we are today, Monday.
- [104:12]
Tucker Carlson
It's because I was having this conversation with somebody who knows you right here in this barn, like last week, week. And George. I was talking to George Santos, said, how's George Santos doing? And he's doing seven years. I was like, what?
- [104:24]
George Santos
Yeah.
- [104:25]
Tucker Carlson
Couldn't even. I'm so out of it. And I'm just. And I've been so focused on Iran, and I'm embarrassed I didn't fully get it. Seven years federal.
- [104:32]
George Santos
Yeah.
- [104:32]
Tucker Carlson
Which means, like, seven years.
- [104:34]
George Santos
Yeah.
- [104:34]
Tucker Carlson
And I said to this person, that's the craziest thing I've ever heard. Yeah, it is. Has this gotten a lot of attention?
- [104:40]
George Santos
Not really. No, I haven't. I mean, the day I got sentenced, they. They. They wrote little, you know, oh, he sobbed in court. You damn right I sobbed in court. Seven years of my life. I mean, a big thing. I'm 36. I'm going to be 37 on July 22nd. And three days later, I have to turn myself into federal prison for seven years.
- [104:58]
Tucker Carlson
So once the pinata party's over, once they've, you know, finished destroying you, knocking this stuffing out of you, they just. It's just no one cares what happens next. Your name is never spoken again. Well, we'll be here. And I. I hope you, you know, are rescued before you have to serve the time. And I hope that if you're not. Not that it's redemptive. And I hope either way, you'll come back.
- [105:18]
George Santos
I appreciate it. Thank you.
- [105:19]
Tucker Carlson
George Santos, good to see you.
- [105:20]
George Santos
Tucker Carlson, thank you for having me.
- [105:26]
Tucker Carlson
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