Hacker Kim Dotcom Issues Dark Warning on Surveillance, Electronic Voting Machines, and Nuclear War

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Guest: Kim Dotcom
Title: Hacker Kim Dotcom Issues Dark Warning on Surveillance, Electronic Voting Machines, and Nuclear War
Date: August 7, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Tucker Carlson speaks with Kim Dotcom—infamous internet entrepreneur and digital privacy advocate—about the global surveillance state, the illusion of privacy, the vulnerabilities of electronic voting machines, and the rising threat of nuclear war amid geopolitical turmoil. Dotcom delivers a bleak assessment of democratic freedoms, the role of media, and the possibility of meaningful resistance in the digital era.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Global Surveillance and the End of Privacy

• Pervasive Government Surveillance:
  Kim Dotcom claims citizens of New Zealand, the United States, and beyond have almost no privacy, as governments are “surveilling everybody” using “massive surveillance programs… to catch every phone call, video call, everything you do.” (00:16–00:40)

• Purpose of Surveillance:
  Data is used not just for monitoring, but for profiling and manipulating people, especially around sensitive issues like war or elections.

  “It’s not just surveillance—it’s also mind altering… They can use this system to convince people.” (00:49–01:32)

• Lack of Escape:
  To avoid surveillance, one must disconnect from the internet entirely, a move Dotcom calls “a high price to pay.” Even encrypted tools or devices cannot be trusted, as “the US Government has a lot of fingers in the technology.” (01:58–02:42)

2. Dangers of Technological Dependence

• No Truly Secure Devices:
  Attempts to create totally private communication devices are consistently thwarted by government demands for “back doors” into encrypted apps or hardware.

  “If you put out an encrypted device, then the government will just send you [a] letter saying you have to give us a backdoor, [or] go to jail.” (07:38–08:07)

• No Safe Communication Apps:
  Dotcom dismisses the security of apps like Signal or WhatsApp, asserting,

  “Not even Signal… Signal is the worst… the US government is laughing because they have a big door.” (11:32–11:49)

3. Prosecution & Persecution for Dissent

• Kim Dotcom’s Case & WikiLeaks Support:
  Dotcom recounts that his real transgression was not running a file-sharing service (Megaupload), but financially supporting Julian Assange and WikiLeaks.

  “Everything that followed is because of my support for the truth. For Julian Assange.” (03:37–04:05)

• Severity of Government Response:
  He was charged under RICO statutes and threatened with a prison sentence of 186 years for copyright infringement.

  “That’s what you get if you support [the truth].” (05:38–05:51)

• Ongoing Efforts to Extradite Dotcom:
  After years and even suffering a stroke, the U.S. continues attempting extradition from New Zealand.

4. Electronic Voting Machines & Democracy

• Distrust in Electronic Voting:
  Dotcom unequivocally expresses distrust in electronic voting machines’ integrity.

  “I don’t trust them. They are able to be manipulated… I know for certain that electronic voting machines can be manipulated.” (26:33–27:00)

• Direct Democracy as the Solution:
  He advocates ‘direct democracy’—citizens voting on issues themselves rather than through representatives—as the only way to reclaim legitimate governance.

  “The only way I think to save America is direct democracy.” (26:12–26:33)

5. Media Manipulation & Mind Control

• Media as Propaganda:
  American media, including major outlets, are described as tools for propagandizing the public, especially since propaganda was legalized for domestic audiences under the Obama administration.

  “Any access to the media today is controlled.” (14:32–14:47)

• Independent Media Threatened:
  While alternative media exists, Dotcom predicts a “crackdown sooner or later on everybody that is still not controlled.” (15:05–15:27)

6. Artificial Intelligence and Data Accumulation

• AI as Surveillance Multiplier:
  AI will have access to vast databases and will “know everything about everybody.” The dramatic expansion of U.S. data centers is to house the “10 petabyte[s] of data a day” flowing into these networks. (13:17–13:46)

7. Dire Geopolitical Warnings

• Bleak Outlook on U.S. Decline:
  Dotcom forecasts financial collapse and global instability:

  “The US is too much debt. They're going down… The war in Ukraine will be lost, the war in Iran will be lost. USA will go into a big depression because of the debt.” (17:17–18:05)

• Europe’s Fate Tied to U.S.:
  Europe is described as a “vassal state” with no future unless it breaks from the U.S. and makes peace with Russia. (34:09–34:32)

8. Nuclear War Fears

• Nuclear Escalation Likely:
  Dotcom warns a U.S. decline might lead to nuclear weapons being used, first against Iran and possibly Russia and China:

  “If the US goes down... it may take the rest of the world down with it... I think the US first [uses nuclear weapons] against Iran and then against the world, primarily Russia and China.” (27:29–27:57, 27:57–28:24)

• Motivations for Nuclear War:
  He suggests Trump, described as “the biggest liar in the world,” might precipitate such war because of ego and a lack of restraint.

  “I think a nuclear war with him is very likely because of his narcissism and his character flaws.” (31:40–32:09)

• The Deep State’s Incentives:
  Dotcom posits that a perpetual U.S. rivalry with Russia and China is necessary to the “deep state’s” budget, providing a motive to keep tensions high but possibly not for outright war. (33:11–33:46)

9. Personal Safety and Exile

• Why New Zealand?
  Dotcom moved to New Zealand years ago as he saw escalation in global instability and anticipated a nuclear threat, calling it “the middle of nowhere.” (28:24–28:43)

• Ongoing Legal Battles:
  His fight against extradition relies on legal process rather than individual persuasion, saying simply,

  “I’m fighting a tradition wherever I can… my lawyers are fighting it and using the process to fight it because that’s all I can do.” (35:09–35:32)

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Memorable Quotes & Timestamps

• On the Surveillance State:

  “Don’t be connected to the Internet. It’s the only way.” (01:58–02:03, Kim Dotcom)

• On Encrypted Messaging Apps:

  “Signal is the worst… the US government is laughing because they have a big door.” (11:34–11:49, Kim Dotcom)

• On Hopelessness for Resistance:

  “It’s true. You can’t [organize resistance], because all the tools are being watched.” (12:29–12:41, Kim Dotcom)

• On the Deep State and Nuclear War:

  “They need to keep Russia and China the eternal enemy to make money.” (33:11–33:46, Kim Dotcom)

• On the Decline of the West:

  “The war in Ukraine will be lost, the war in Iran will be lost. USA will go into a big depression because of the debt.” (18:05, Kim Dotcom)

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Key Timestamps

• 00:16–00:40 – Kim Dotcom explains the depth of surveillance.
• 01:58–02:12 – Only way to evade surveillance is total disconnection.
• 03:37–04:05 – Support for WikiLeaks as the true reason for prosecution.
• 05:38–05:51 – Dotcom faces 186 years in prison for copyright.
• 07:38–08:07 – How the U.S. government compels creators to provide backdoors.
• 11:32–11:49 – Signal and other messaging apps are not secure.
• 13:17–13:46 – AI and the growth of U.S. data centers.
• 17:17–18:05 – Prediction of U.S. financial crisis and lost wars.
• 26:33–27:00 – Electronic voting machines can be manipulated.
• 27:29–28:24 – Nuclear threat and rationale for moving to New Zealand.
• 31:40–32:09 – Trump’s alleged motivations for nuclear conflict.
• 33:11–33:46 – Deep state's financial interest in maintaining “eternal” enemies.
• 35:09–35:32 – Ongoing extradition battle.

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Tone & Atmosphere

Throughout the conversation, the tone remains direct, somber, and often bleak, with Kim Dotcom refusing to sugarcoat his assessment of technological, political, and existential threats. Carlson offers incredulous questions but allows Dotcom to articulate his worldview with little challenge. The exchange maintains an air of urgency, anti-establishment skepticism, and a call to awareness—even if few practical solutions are offered.

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Transcript

[A]

Foreign.com. thank you very much. Thank you very much for doing this. How much privacy do we have as citizens of New Zealand or the United States?

[B]

Not much, because the government is surveilling everybody. Yeah.

[A]

How are they doing that?

[B]

They have massive surveillance programs that are designed to catch every phone call, video call, everything you do.

[A]

Yeah. What is the purpose of that? Why are they surveilling their own populations?

[B]

Because they can create a profile of their citizens and then use the data to basically put the people in categories and influence them as well. So it's not just surveillance, it's also mind altering in terms of elections or something.

[A]

Okay, so you believe the government is tailoring its propaganda to the population based on profiles that they've assembled, like Facebook does for advertising.

[B]

Yeah. So if they want, for example, support for war, they can use this system to. We convince people. Yeah.

[A]

Interesting. How do you. How do you get out of it? How do you find privacy in a Panopticon like this?

[B]

Don't be connected to the Internet. It's the only way.

[A]

Yeah, don't be. But if you're not connected to the Internet, then you can't communicate with people except in your living room.

[B]

Is true. But it's a high price to pay if you're online. You have to know that everything you do is being watched and listened to. Yeah.

[A]

Why is there no way out? Why is there no phone or laptop or tablet that allows me to communicate with you without being spied on?

[B]

Because the US Government has a lot of fingers in the technology. So every website that you visit, every tool that you use, every hardware that you use is controlled by the US Government bots.

[A]

Yeah. So this is not a new phenomenon. You were indicted, I think, in 2011. 2012. A long time ago, Zach. What. What year was it

[B]

in 2012?

[A]

Yeah, 2012. So 14 years ago, what you were doing, you're basically allowing people to upload large files privately on the Internet. I think that's what you were doing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that was so threatening that the US Government tried to put you in prison?

[B]

No, what was really threatening was I gave money to WikiLeaks and Julian, although the US government saw me as a person of interest because of that, and everything that followed is because of my support for the truth.

[A]

For Julian Assange.

[B]

Yeah. And what? Julian came out with a video. Collateral Murder. Maybe you remember that. I was touched by it and gave a lot of money to WikiLeaks.

[A]

And then what happened after you did that?

[B]

I was charged with copyright infringement. So what? My users uploaded to my website. They said I'm responsible for that.

[A]

But wouldn't Facebook be responsible for every criminal who uses a meta product? Wouldn't Google be responsible for any criminal uses their search engine?

[B]

Why?

[A]

I mean, this is a new. I've never heard of this principle before.

[B]

Yeah, the, the, the, the, the big difference is they did not give money to WikiLeaks or to the.

[A]

So what, what, what did they charge you with and what was the penalty?

[B]

They charged me with RICO X. So they not only say I'm a criminal because I allowed people to use my websites for infringement, they said I planned it with other people. Stupid.

[A]

And what were the penalties for this?

[B]

Oh, they want to put me in jail for 186 years.

[A]

I'm sorry to laugh. 186 years for copyright infringement.

[B]

That's what you get if you support.

[A]

Well, I do support Julian Assad, so I hope that's not coming for me. So whatever happened to the charges or

[B]

they want to extradite me from New Zealand to the United States?

[A]

Are they still trying to do that?

[B]

Yeah, even after my stroke, they still trying to do that.

[A]

Are you worried that they'll be able to?

[B]

Oh, they would want to, I have no doubt, but I don't know if they can because I'm not the same person anymore after my stroke. So if they really want to go ahead, they are up for a big challenge.

[A]

What would happen if you were to use your money to build a phone that was truly private that the US Government could not listen to?

[B]

I did something like that when I was still the creator of Mecca. So I had an encrypted communication tool. But now who's running Mecca is no longer trustworthy.

[A]

Yeah. Hmm. But why hasn't anyone done that? I mean, it seems like the one thing we could use to regain our freedom is a communications. A simple communications device that's actually private.

[B]

In the US you can't. So if you put out an encrypted device, then the government will just send you letter saying you have to give us a big door, go to jail. You know, this is legally possible in the US the government can't just send you a letter to say, give me back door.

[A]

And what if you say no?

[B]

They put you in jail.

[A]

So it is illegal in the United States to communicate privately.

[B]

It's illegal? Yeah. No, they say you have freedom of speech, but you don't. And you know it's a joke.

[A]

Does any country have freedom of speech?

[B]

You have a certain degrees of freedom of speech, but it's not like it used to be. You know, where your privacy is protected under the UN Charter, we are all protected. You know, the US just doesn't care. And because the US we know this from efforts Snowden is fine on everybody. Everyone else is.

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[B]

Thanks. Huh.

[A]

It's. I'm not sure most Americans understand any of this. Are any communications apps Signal, WhatsApp, iMessage, or any of them actually secure?

[B]

No.

[A]

Not even Signal?

[B]

No, no, no, no. Not at all. Signal is the worst.

[A]

What? How is signal the worst?

[B]

Because everyone is using it and the US government is laughing because they have a Big door.

[A]

Yeah, but I mean, people with, I happen to know, with real secrets use signal, and they're convinced that no one can hear or read them on signal, but they're. They're wrong. You're sure of that?

[B]

Yeah. So signal is not secure. There's nothing I would recommend other than not using any communication tools at all, really.

[A]

So if you wanted to, I don't know, organize resistance to tyranny, you couldn't.

[B]

No, you can't.

[A]

Have you given up?

[B]

No, it's true. You can't, because all the tools are being watched. Yeah.

[A]

How will AI change this picture?

[B]

AI is very dangerous because it will get access to the US database for this kind of data mining. So the AI will know everything about everybody.

[A]

Huh. And there's no way to stop that?

[B]

Don't have AI, don't have Internet. It's the only way.

[A]

What? Why is the US planning on building so many data centers?

[B]

Building huge data centers? Because it takes. It collects about 10 petabyte of data a day. So it's a lot. All communications, everything.

[A]

So why is the United States building so many more data centers than China is? Do you know,

[B]

you can't say that because you're being told that, you know, China is not far behind the US when it comes to AI you're only being taught that it's propaganda. You know, Obama made it legal to propagandize US citizens, so you can't believe anything they say.

[A]

Are American media outlets part of that effort to propagandize the public?

[B]

Yeah, of course. You know, whoever controls them controls the public. So any access to the media today is controlled.

[A]

Yeah. So in the US there's been a rise of independent media. Some of them have big platforms, reach a lot of people, and they're, well, having conversations like this, they're against the program. How long can that last? Do you think

[B]

it's okay that there's independent media and you are one of them? So it's very good to have you, you know, but there will be a crackdown sooner or later on everybody. That is still not control. Yeah.

[A]

And what can people do to fight back against that crackdown?

[B]

Not much. You see, the power of the government is very strong, so there's not much you can do about it.

[A]

You don't seem very hopeful. Are you?

[B]

It's a reality. What's going to tell you is the truth. Yeah.

[A]

Are there any free countries or what is the freest country, do you think, right now, where people can say what they think with the most latitude?

[B]

I think Switzerland Is very good. Yeah. Switzerland, because they have Dalek democracy, not a representative democracy. So the people decide is people power. I bring that in to New Zealand this election. So with the Freedom Party we will have a direct democracy available here.

[A]

Do you think that direct democracy will spread to other countries?

[B]

I think it's the only way because politicians are not honest people. They only look for how to make a lot of money, you know, so direct democracy is the answer.

[A]

Do you think that the war in Iran will change America's place in the world? What does the world look like in 10 years?

[B]

So the US is struggling to remain number one. The unipolar system that the US had for many decades. They are fighting for it, but the US is too much debt. They're going down. There's nothing that can prevent that. So I think in the next few years we will see a lot of negative things in the world because of that.

[A]

What kind of negative things?

[B]

So the west is highly dependent on the US not going under. You know, the war in Ukraine will be lost, the war in Iran will be lost. USA will go into a big depression because of the debt. I think financially the world is heading into turmoil. Yeah.

[A]

How is the war in Ukraine resolved? What does that look like

[B]

on. It looks like now on the battlefield, you know. So Russia will win against Ukraine and I don't think there will be a settlement.

[A]

Do you believe that Naito will continue to attack Russia?

[B]

I think the attacks on Russia will continue for many years. I don't see the US and Europe giving up. So I think what Russia has to prepare for is a bigger war.

[A]

A bigger war directly with the United States and Europe.

[B]

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[B]

Yeah, I think so.

[A]

And who wins?

[B]

Russia, of course, because Europe has no armies. You know, NATO is toothless tiger. Yeah.

[A]

Why would the western powers. Why would NATO want a war with Russia?

[B]

I'VE never understood that the alternative is the US loses. And if the US loses, it will go down. You know, the west has invested a lot in us so all the debt is owned by debtors. Europe is a big debtor to the United States. So if the US Stock markets, for example, go down, all the European companies that are listed in the US are also going down. So we are talking about a loss of maybe trillions, you know, is not something that the west can do. They want to prevent the US from going under.

[A]

I, I think I understand that and I'd like to see the US not go under also. But I think they're accelerating the destruction of the United States. This is having the opposite effect. If you wanted to wreck the US and bring the empire to its knees in the most humiliating, painful, expensive way, this is what you would do.

[B]

Yeah, but the debt has now reached levels that are unsustainable. So it's just a matter of time to run. The US government costs 20 billion a day. It is impossible.

[A]

It's impossible. That's right. What, what is the end of the Iran war? What does that look like?

[B]

Iran will win because the US has no weapons and no army to invade. You know, you wonder where all the military money went because the, the US has the biggest budget for the military, yet they can't invade. So I think Iran will win here.

[A]

And then what happens to the United States? Does the US get out of the Middle East?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

What happens to American politics? Like what direction does it go, do you think, from your perspective?

[B]

I think the only way to save the America is for the people to vote directly, not through politicians. The only way I think to save America is direct democracy. Yeah.

[A]

Do you think electronic voting machines are honest and reflect the will of the people, the votes that go into them?

[B]

I don't trust them. Yeah. I don't trust them because they are able to be manipulated.

[A]

Yeah, you say that as fact. You know for certain that electronic voting machines can be manipulated.

[B]

Yeah, they can.

[A]

So why does the US still have them.

[B]

Waiting for the right time to use them? I think.

[A]

Yes. So, huh, that's kind of grim. Do you see a risk of a nuclear exchange in, in Ukraine?

[B]

Exactly. Because if the US goes down, you know what is left? 39 trillion of debt can never be paid back. So it may take the rest of the world down with it.

[A]

And so how do you get to nuclear weapons from there? Who uses nuclear weapons, do you think?

[B]

I think the US first against Iran and then against the world, primarily Russia and China. But you know, I saw this coming. This is the reason why I am in New Zealand, because it's in the middle of nowhere.

[A]

It is the middle of nowhere. When did you see this coming?

[B]

I don't know. I don't know. Could be many years, could be tomorrow. I don't know.

[A]

But you saw this years ago. You believe this was going to happen?

[B]

Yeah, okay. I did. I brought my family to safety, whatever is safe.

[A]

Are you safe?

[B]

I don't know. Maybe if I'm extradited to the US I will die in the nuclear holocaust, I think.

[A]

Oh, so you're certain that's coming?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you think it's likely that Israel uses nuclear weapons?

[B]

Possible. Why does Israel have nuclear weapons in the first place? Because they spied on the US for the technology and then they started their own nuclear program. Actually, everybody in the world knows that they have nuclear weapons, yet they go to war against Iraq, against Iran, trying to prevent them from having nuclear weapons. You know, the first country that should give up nuclear weapons is Israel.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think they're going to.

[B]

No, of course not.

[A]

Can. Can you explain? You said at the outset that you were indicted and now they're trying to extradite you because you supported Julian Assange.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Julian Assange famously printed American secret documents and videos on WikiLeaks on the Internet, but the US government seemed very focused on killing him. Why was he such a threat?

[B]

Because he was selling the truth and got in the way of the plans of the US Deep state, you know, so anything that he has in terms of support was attacked. Yeah.

[A]

Why? Why do you think Donald Trump, after spending 10 years saying he wouldn't start a regime change war with Iran, did in February start a regime change war with Iran?

[B]

Donald Trump is a big liar, so anything he says, he just said to become president. I wouldn't believe a word he says. He's the biggest liar in the world.

[A]

What do you think his goal is? What's his agenda? Why is he doing this?

[B]

Oh, I think he wants to become more than the President of the United States. He wants to make history. You know, I think a nuclear war with him is very likely because of his narcissism and his character. Fls. Yeah,

[A]

but starting a nuclear war would eliminate everybody. I mean, there would be no history after that.

[B]

Yeah, but he is 80 years old, so he is looking for the exit.

[A]

And you think nuclear war is the exit?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Is there anything that can be done to stop that?

[B]

Not much. Revolt, maybe a revolution in the United States. You know, not have a school like Trump be president.

[A]

Do you think the deep state agrees with Trump on the question of using nuclear weapons?

[B]

So you need to understand one thing. The deep state has a big budget for keeping Russia and China surveilled. So if they have no longer the enemy of Russia and China, the US deep state loses 40% of the budget. So they need to keep Russia and China the eternal enemy to make money.

[A]

Yes. Yeah. So. So really, a nuclear war is not in anybody's interest?

[B]

No, of course not.

[A]

No, of course not. Do you think that Europe, where you're from, you're obviously German. Does Europe have a future as European?

[B]

If they make peace with Russia, yes. If they cut ties with the U.S. yes. If the U.S. keeps them as vessel states, they have no chance to survive. Yeah.

[A]

Do you believe Putin is secure in his job?

[B]

Putin has over 80% approval rating in Russia, so I think he's pretty safe here.

[A]

He's pretty safe. And last question. How have you been able to keep from being extradited when New Zealand is a small country without a meaningful military? The United States wants to extradite you. How have you been able to convince the authorities in Auckland not to send you to the United States?

[B]

Not convince the authorities? It's a process. You know, I'm fighting a tradition wherever I can, so my lawyers are fighting it and using the process to fight it, because that's all I can do.

[A]

Yeah. Well, rooting for you and for the world. Kim.com. thank you. I know you don't do a lot of interviews, and so I'm grateful you did this one. And thanks.

[B]

No problem. Taka, great to see you.

[A]

Thank you.