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How Casey Putsch Built the Most Efficient Car in the World, and Why the EPA Hates Him for It
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Tucker Carlson
Okay, so here's my theory. The death of the US auto industry was a bigger deal than I think we realized. Maybe a harbinger, hopefully not. But perhaps a harbinger of like what happens to the country going forward. So Detroit dies and people are like, oh, Detroit's such a mess. My wife is from there, so I've been there a lot. But you never thought like that would happen to the rest of the country?
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Casey
Oh, no, we're going similar ways.
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Tucker Carlson
We are. That's exactly right.
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Casey
Yeah. I live in the greater Toledo area and that's baby Detroit.
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Tucker Carlson
Toledo. Exactly. Home of champion spark plugs.
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Casey
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah. No longer. So I guess the question is, if we want to prevent this from spreading like the cancer that it clearly is, I think it's important to know the cause of it. So why did the auto industry, which was the most important non defense industry we had, why did it die?
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Casey
I would say largely regulation and the nature of trying to find more profit and where you ship things. It was a lack of pride in having a workforce in the future, tomorrow. And those are the two things I would stick with because since, you know, in my opinion, you know, I've been a car guy for a long time.
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Tucker Carlson
Wait, you didn't mention the unions. Everyone blames the unions for the destruction of Detroit.
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Casey
I think that's a secondary symptom. I mean, that's a big thing. But I think culturally it has to do more with where we're going and what happened. I mean, the automotive industry right now, if you look at new cars. I don't own a new car. The newest vehicle I own is early 2000s. The newest. Yeah. And honestly I've been thinking like that's.
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Tucker Carlson
And you're a professional car guy and you have no use.
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Casey
Yeah, no, I work on all my own stuff, from exotics to building race cars, helping students, building airplanes to vintage stuff. Like I know automotive history. And honestly, kind of the sweet spot for cars to daily drive are the 1980s and 1990s. What, we've just gotten worse since then.
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Tucker Carlson
In what ways?
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Casey
Consumer culture, you know, they try to find new ways to make money, give something to buy a new model year. But cars haven't really gotten any better since the 1990s. They're coming in more like a cell phone. And then you get more and more and more regulation, which just stymies the automotive industry into building just the one thing. That's why all the cars look the same. That's why there's no real innovation. That's why anything interesting ends up being wildly expensive. And then the two things that are always used as, shall we say, the scapegoat is either the environment, the EPA or safety. But it's not always about that. And if you're really worried about.
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Tucker Carlson
Wait, wait, those are scapegoats?
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Casey
Well, not scapegoats, but reasons to force things in, to be a certain way. Because if you speak up and question anything, they'll always say environment, safety. It seems like that's always the way, but we're always just quagmired in this regulation and direction.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, you're blowing my mind. So I get, I mean, getting older is a process of realizing how many of the lies you've internalized and believed. And I guess if you had asked me when I woke up this morning what destroyed Detroit, I would say I'm not actually even that against unions, to be honest with you. But I would say, well, everyone says the unions and EPA and safety, Ralph Nader and the uaw. True, but no, true. It's deeper. You're saying, well, it is.
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Casey
And okay, you know, I'm an individual, I build stuff. I think about the nation, individuals, community, my family, my friends. Like we want a car that gets us there, that we can fix, that we can afford. Right. But it's not what we're making. Another thing, which I want to mention two points. The other thing that's happening nowadays is we don't really innovate or make anything new anymore that people can afford really. And I'm finding another. It seems like a symptom across culture of just everything now is about money from one pocket to another. It's not about really creating something new or building tomorrow. And I started to see that in the automotive industry with the nature of hybrids to electric, they have a purpose, but they're not a solution for everything. But the political push and powers are trying to make it a solution for everything. And I look at this and go, no, no, no, no. This isn't about what's best for everybody or even the environment or anything. This is money from one pocket to another and a power play.
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Tucker Carlson
What does that mean? Money from one pocket to another.
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Casey
So it's kind of a, it's a deeper discussion that led to when I built what I called the Omega car, which I built that high efficiency diesel car that I thought would be more recyclable, lower environment impact and a good car and a direction to go. And if I make. Can I just back up a second? Kind of what I saw. So, you know, my teens and twenties, I'M just a normal car guy. I liked fast cars and going on dates with pretty girls. That's pretty much all I cared about.
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Tucker Carlson
So fast cars and fast women.
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Casey
Well, they say in Kentucky, what was it they say? Beautiful horses and fast women. No, I meant beautiful women and fast horses. Something like that. But no, that was kind of all I cared about. But my grandfather always talk about politics and things going on in the world, and while I didn't really care so much to look into it, things stuck with me.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes.
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Casey
And I remember in. Was it 2008? 2008, when Obama was running, people are all excited. I'm like, okay. And I remember watching all the presidential stuff. That was kind of the first time I really started paying attention to politics when I was a younger guy. And we're watching the Democratic National Convention and Obama's talking, and I remember. And I remember thinking, this guy's full of crap. That's just my gut feeling. I didn't. I didn't know where it came from. I didn't. I didn't really know that much of politics, but I'm just like, this guy is full of crap.
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Tucker Carlson
You didn't think he was black? Jesus, no, no. I mean, you sound like a racist.
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Casey
I don't care. I don't care.
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Tucker Carlson
That's the spirit.
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Casey
So I just thought, he's full of crap. And so I'm listening. Get to the point. And he goes, and I'll help Detroit retool. So the energy efficient cars of tomorrow bill here. For the sake of the nation and world. I'm like, bullshit. You're not gonna. You're not doing a Kennedy speech. Like, we're going to the moon before the decade is out. You're not gonna do it. I just. Absolutely. It just. It ticked me off. And I've remembered it to this day. And of course, we have the.
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Tucker Carlson
Why did you know he was not gonna do it?
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Casey
Cause Detroit's not gonna change. He's not gonna change that. Like a politician changes their own oil, let alone know how a car works or the industry or what to do with it.
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Tucker Carlson
Fair.
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Casey
Respectfully.
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Tucker Carlson
Fair. Fair. No. With no respect. I would say no.
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Casey
And I can think of saying things that I would be a little kinder about. We don't want to take advice from, you know, pantsuits in Washington. It's like, what do they know about it? Respectfully. But things like that go across the board. So I'm thinking, he's not doing anything. Well, the other thing that interesting happened was the financial crisis 2008 2009, right now, I didn't fully understand what was going on. That again, I cared more about going on dates and fast cars than politics and things going on at the time. But the family business we had was a small town public golf course in the Midwest. You know, 18 holes. Worked our butt off. My father worked seven days a week, 6:00 in the morning, 10:00 at night, every day throughout the entire the season. So we worked. I know. Like being in a small town, everybody makes fun of you. Oh, you're rich. You just sit on the golf course all day. I'm like, no, we're changing oil in like diesel tractors and backlapping mowers and mowing and putting on banquets and doing family business.
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Tucker Carlson
What is meant to backlap a mower?
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Casey
Oh, sorry. That was. So if you mow a fairway or a green.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes.
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Casey
It's not a rotary blade that cuts by kind of like whacking the right. It's actually. It's a reel which comes through and slices on a blade.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes.
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Casey
Well, they get, they get dull and so you have to sharpen them and it's dirty and you beat up your knuckles. And that's kind of the work you actually do in the winter of the golf.
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Tucker Carlson
By hand, like with a file or.
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Casey
Oh, no, you have to run them backwards with a dirty compound with like grid on it. And you have to adjust. Exactly. Thank you.
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Tucker Carlson
Sorry to interrupt.
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Casey
No, it's all right. I just kind of bring that up because that, that was my world at the time. We worked hard and we saw that. But at that time I started to see how it was affecting people in little Tiffin, Ohio on a daily basis. Loans, housing loans, business loans. And I also saw how that affected eventually when the family was thinking of selling the business. You couldn't get lending for something like that. And I started to see how that, that hurt everything but where I was going with it in relation to the overarching things with the automotive industry. So now we're bailing out the automotive industry tax dollars. Huge amounts of money. Okay. Huh. Paying attention. And I'd lived in Columbus, Ohio at the time, head of my little shop, working on vintage race cars and things like that and riding my motorcycle around. And after we were bailing out the automotive industries, I kind of remembered back and I'm like, so I wonder, is Obama going to try to make everything efficient now? Are they going to do anything? And I see us, we just kind of doubled down on making bigger trucks and muscle cars and things Which I have to tell you, I love big trucks and muscle cars and fast cars. Okay. Like, if you can afford the fuel and do what you want, don't. Don't get in my way. You can pry my sports cars out of my cold, dead hands. I agree. Don't.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Casey
But, you know, doesn't mean I don't necessarily want something that could be better for as a daily driver, or I can't think of something that might be more efficient. So I was noticing that, and I'm thinking, this is. This is wrong. Something's wrong here. And just in what I was doing and, you know, researching various materials and thinking of building cars, and it's kind of what I do, you know, I started to realize there's a myriad of ways that we can mass produce cars, automobiles that will be less toxic, less environmental impact, cheaper, more efficient than what we're doing. Because in a sense, all of our cars are stamped metal boxes with chairs bolted in them. Yeah, we've been doing that since the mid-1930s. We have. Not much has changed, and it's been a long time. And I'll say this also, which I think you might enjoy as a history guy. So SR71 Blackbird. Right. CIA spy plane, Mach 3. They came up with that in the late 1950s. We had to go to the trouble of getting all the titanium, I think, from Russia at the time, which required a zillion shell companies and orchestration just to get the material to build it. And we build an aircraft effectively in the late 1950s, 1960, that'll do. Mach 3. And can map hundreds of thousands of miles of the Earth's surface. And before GPS existed, be able to plot the stars through broad daylight and through clouds in the late 50s. And we're still making cars like the 1930s now. I think that's BS.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah. So to be fair, you've also seen the death of innovation in aviation as well.
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Casey
That's true, too.
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Tucker Carlson
I mean, the 747 came out in 1969.
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Casey
True.
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Tucker Carlson
Tell me we've made it. And I was born that year. 55. Six years ago. When was the last time we built a plane that cool? 1969.
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Casey
We haven't. And to be fair, there's a lot of things that we still like the B52 bomber. It's still around. Buff is eternal, they joke, you know, and so there's a lot of great designs from back when that are still perfect designs now and can be upgraded. It doesn't mean that we have to have innovation for innovation's sake. Some things just work, but sometimes you need new things. But as a younger guy at the time, I was frustrated by all this. And I'm like, you know what? I'm going to build a car. I got a point to prove. And my thinking at the time was it can't be electric because nobody knows what the heck a kilowatt hour is. Back then, we're not accustomed to thinking like that. We think miles per gallon. How fast is it at zero to 60? You know, things like that. That's kind of the two things that matter most to people. And can you use this? And how much does it cost? So it's like, okay, I want to build a car that'll be representative of something that can be mass produced that let's say it costs about $20,000 or less. I made it diesel, turbo diesel. So I looked around for what I felt was about the most efficient engine reasonably available and built the car. Now I said something like 11 years ago on video so I can prove it. I said, it will get over 100 miles a gallon and it will do zero to 60 in under five seconds. Now I built the car, I even showed it at a private like car event with sports cars and exotic cars and told everybody about my concept. But when I got it all together and done, I realized I don't have a voice. Like what am I going to do with this thing if the world doesn't know it exists or nobody hears about it? It doesn't exist.
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Tucker Carlson
You felt like Nikola Tesla at this point, I'm sure.
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Casey
Perhaps I don't. Maybe he's an interesting character. Yeah, for sure, certainly. And I sat on it, I just put it in my garage for better part of a decade because I didn't have a voice. But other things going on in life. I was doing my non profit genius garage, which I really believed in. Because we can go into some big problems in the American educational system, especially higher education. I think we're stymieing our youth, the families in the future. And I think it comes from predatory lending and loans you can't default on. And I think the schools are creating this vacuum monster that is not the real world with majors that are not providing jobs and creating an environment for political radicalization. But that's another topic. But the reason I say that everything.
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Tucker Carlson
You just said is, is obvious and it's crazy that it still exists. But let me just back up to the vehicle itself.
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Casey
Yes.
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Tucker Carlson
Without getting boring.
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Casey
No, it's coming back to that.
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Tucker Carlson
But what explain how you get 100 miles to the gallon on diesel and it goes zero to 60 in under five seconds. Like how, how what is that? How big's the motor? Like, tell us about the car.
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Casey
Let me ask you questions.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Casey
So I don't, I don't know what you drove here and, but let's pick your average car. Suv.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Casey
Put it in neutral. How hard is it to push it?
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Tucker Carlson
Pretty, pretty hard.
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Casey
Pretty hard, right?
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Casey
Like, I know it sounds silly, but when you work on cars, if you spend your day pushing around cars, you start thinking about how efficient they are. Look at, look at a car and SUV going down the road or a semi. How aerodynamic do you think that is?
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Tucker Carlson
Not super aerodynamic, no. I drive a Silverado. Not aerodynamic.
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Casey
There's nothing about our cars that are remotely efficient at all. So how do you, how do you get that? You just make the actual car, not so much the drivetrain. You're not looking for a magic bullet. Everybody wants a magic bullet. You make the car more efficient. Like the lower coefficient of drag, somewhat lighter weight where you don't need weight, just less rolling resistance. You make it actual efficient. Good design. We don't do that with the automotive industry anymore. And the reason I chose diesel is because people would understand that diesel is also a very flexible fuel. We can make biodiesel. You can make diesel effectively out of what's left over from the meatpacking industry, the wine making industry, agriculture, you name it. And, and this is fascinating too because. And I got to get into why I talked about the car. But since that time I got word back from people kind of more in traditional automotive media and whatnot, no one would talk about it or write about it. And I'm kind of pissed me off because back when it was in a concept and I just talked about it a little bit on my YouTube channel, some places would report about it. But why is it when it was just a concept and a YouTuber was trying to do something efficient and like maybe eco friendly and whatnot, they'd write about it. But then when it actually did what I said it was going to do, they wouldn't.
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Tucker Carlson
So it actually gets 100 miles to the gallon?
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Casey
Yeah. For first time out, I didn't even have all the fairings on it. I haven't even tuned it. It was 104.72 miles to the gallon. Just driving through the countryside normally with stop signs and turns and such, just, just jumping in it without even tuning it more. The first time I took it out, we were just idling and doing hard Pulls and everything else I looked at, I'm like, we just got, like, 88 miles to the gallon. We're not even trying.
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Tucker Carlson
That's crazy.
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Casey
Well, and the other thing, considering gas.
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Tucker Carlson
Is pretty much like three bucks or something.
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Casey
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
Right here. Yeah.
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Casey
Yeah. I mean, it's expensive. It's more expensive in Europe. And like. Like, okay, I have some gas guzzlers, for sure. I like V12s and stick shifts and straight.
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Tucker Carlson
So tell me about the engine in this vehicle.
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Casey
It's largely conventional. It's turbo, which is good for diesel because it allows you some flexibility to cruise more. But if you want to make power, you can crank in the boost and do some things to make it efficient. And I experimented even with some Cadillac converters and such that will even be better. So there's nothing crazy about the drivetrain. There's no magic bullet there. What about the other thing? I got to point this out. That drivetrain, when I started, had 130,000 miles on it. It's no spring chicken.
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Tucker Carlson
What was it from? What you pulled out of Volkswagen?
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Casey
Pre. Dieselgate. Dieselgate's an interesting thing to talk about, too. But what's Dieselgate? That was the big scandal that Volkswagen went through with allegedly cheating their emissions tests.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes.
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Casey
That was back in 2015, I think.
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Tucker Carlson
Right.
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Casey
That was a big scandal, which is interesting because in looking back on it now, it seems to tie into more with not regulating a car company. So much for the betterment of all. But an attack. That's the way it kind of looks like to me.
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Tucker Carlson
An attack on Volkswagen.
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Casey
I would say diesel, because Volkswagen was in. I don't know about now, but certainly was the best and most efficient. The engine I use was from back in, like, 2000 when they made it Volkswagen. Yeah. Good engine. And it's manual. More efficient that way.
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Tucker Carlson
The transmission's manual.
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Casey
Yeah, Manual. Less parasitic losses. It's just. It's really cheaper to produce. Gets better miles to gallon. And, you know, back in the day, sports cars, if they were manual, would have better zero to 60 times and such.
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Tucker Carlson
No longer true.
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Casey
Yeah, no longer true. Our automatics have gotten a lot more interesting and whatnot. But.
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Tucker Carlson
But manual transmission still makes for more efficient driving.
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Casey
Yeah, because there's less parasitic drag. There's less losses in the drivetrain.
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Tucker Carlson
Huh. Interesting. Like, meaningfully more efficient.
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Casey
Well, especially in that time in the 2000s. Probably could be five to seven miles to the gallon on the highway.
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, wow.
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Casey
Maybe even. Maybe only like three, but it's still a lot. And when you consider millions of cars.
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Tucker Carlson
Over Years for sure, or even your car over years.
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Casey
And it doesn't all have to just be about like, oh, we have to do this for sake of environment. These are costs that hit people's pockets.
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, I, that's the whole point. I wasn't thinking about emissions even.
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Casey
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
So. Well, that's amazing. So, and what about, what about emissions on this vehicle? I'm trying to get like, in regard.
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Casey
To mine or the whole scandal specifically, it's, it's the basic stuff that diesel would have. I mean, you've got a pretty serious catalytic converter, you've got the exhaust gas regulation and such. And that without getting an overly nitty gritty, diesel does have some things about it that the EPA likes to go after. But it's kind of strange and I'm curious to see what happens in the future. So you probably, I'm sure you saw this. The Supreme Court ruled differently on the Chevron deference, of course, which I'm really fascinated to see how that changes the nature of the way laws are interpreted.
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Tucker Carlson
So the bottom. The, the question before the court was, can federal agencies create legislation when the Constitution says no, Congress creates the laws.
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Casey
Right. On how it's interpreted.
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Tucker Carlson
Right. But for generations, the federal agencies, including epa, but all of them from the Department of Education to the Department of Defense, have come out with regulations that have the force of law that no one ever voted for and that no elected official had a hand in. So it's anti democratic.
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Casey
Right. That's probably the reason why some of my friends complain about the atf. I think they're pretty good at making.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, the ATF has all kinds of other problems like shooting innocent people, but. Yes, no, absolutely. But they, they create regulations that no one voted on and that no elected official administers. So it's like as a citizen, I have no recourse. So that's not democracy, that's tyranny. Yeah, so that's, that's the conceptual.
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Casey
No, exactly right, exactly right. And you know, it's not looking for a, you know, a way around something or a loophole. But like what is. Right, like what are we actually doing here?
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Tucker Carlson
Where are we going to law vote on it.
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Casey
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
You know, and the beauty of the Congress is they have two or six years between elections, so they're pretty accountable to voters. And if voters don't like the way they vote, they can turn them out, at least conceivably. Right.
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Casey
One hopes. One hopes.
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Tucker Carlson
But the under Secretary of douchebaggery is completely beyond the control of any voter. So like that's again, tyranny. Right?
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Casey
Yes. Yeah. And that, that affects things greatly because when you over regulate things, it, it, it just makes it difficult to innovate or go anywhere.
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Tucker Carlson
Right.
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Casey
You know, and the thing of it is, so going back to the car, the car I built, so I mentioned to you, got 104.72 miles a gallon. And I video recorded the whole thing because I want to know what does this thing actually do?
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Casey
Because last year was a very important year. It was an election year. One thing that also drove me nuts. So if you look at, so the Biden administration and even Gavin Newsom's pushing electric vehicle mandates, like large electric vehicle mandates, not like back to the Clinton era when it was like, I don't know, 1 to 2% of vehicles sold by certain times need to be electric. No, they're big ones. And I had a huge problem with, you know, Biden's administration doing that because I'm like, this destroys innovation, you know, and the other thing you go into, and I don't want to beat up on electric because it, you know, it has its purpose in places. I think all kinds of drivetrains and energy do. And I don't mean that it's just like political BS rhetoric. I mean that genuinely. But, but it's not a band Aid fix.
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Tucker Carlson
Also, how are we going to charge them our grid?
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Casey
Yeah, how? I tell you this. So I did some math with all this. Let me tell you this. So the next day I'm coming right back to this point on the math. The next day, after I did the initial mile per gallon testing on my car, I did 0 to 60 times with it. So I put accelerometers and GPS in this car. Also my 93 Dodge Viper RT10, C7 Corvette Grand Sport and my neighbor's Tesla Model 3 rear wheel drive with the full charge, my car, the 104 miles a gallon, beat the Dodge Viper by 2/10 of a second and exactly matched the Corvette Grand Sport and the Tesla.
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Tucker Carlson
Damn.
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Casey
That's without like computerized traction control. That's me just driving it.
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Casey
Solve your tax problems today. Call 1-800-780-8888 or visit tnusa.com that's 1-800-780-888.
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Tucker Carlson
So what was 0 to 60 in that 4.61.
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Casey
And I probably could have done better, but honestly, the tires are over a decade old now because I built the car a while ago and such, but that was real world driving. And, yeah, I gave it and I got videos of it if you want to look me up.
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Tucker Carlson
How did you beat the Tesla?
- [25:19]
Casey
It matched the Tesla, but that was only with the Tesla. To full charge, it would consistently get a little slower every time as it would lose juice.
- [25:27]
Tucker Carlson
Just because the nature, obviously, of an electric vehicle just gives you massive advantage in.
- [25:31]
Casey
Yeah, and the Tesla's simple. You just stick your foot down and computers, that's the best it's going to do. My car would actually probably beat it if I gave it some clever traction control and such in it, to be honest. But that's not the point. The point of it is. So I'm like, I'm gonna run some numbers, just out of curiosity. What is the carbon footprint of burning one gallon of diesel? Oh, interesting. Okay. EPA's got numbers for that. Okay, what's the carbon footprint, on average, the United States electrical generation, whether it's nuclear, wind, coal, whatever. National average of the carbon footprint of a kilowatt hour of electricity. Say, like, you're in a perfect world charging your electric vehicle at home. And then I just did the basic math on. Okay, what's the carbon footprint of my car on Diesel? Getting over 100 miles a gallon versus the electric car charged at home? National average over 100 miles. My car beat the electric car at a lower carbon footprint.
- [26:23]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Casey
And it has a much lower one to manufacture, and it's easier to fix. So that's when I went. Okay. I also did some other fun math, respectfully, towards Cole, I think.
- [26:35]
Tucker Carlson
But hold on, just to be fair, can it be turned off by remote by a politician who doesn't like your politics?
- [26:40]
Casey
Thank you. No, it can't.
- [26:42]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, it can't?
- [26:42]
Casey
No.
- [26:43]
Tucker Carlson
I don't feel comfortable with it.
- [26:44]
Casey
Oh, you don't?
- [26:44]
Tucker Carlson
Well, how are we gonna.
- [26:45]
Casey
I don't care. You're not. It's gonna stay that way.
- [26:48]
Tucker Carlson
I like your spirit.
- [26:49]
Casey
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, thank you for bringing that up. That's very important. Because the other thing about.
- [26:55]
Tucker Carlson
That's why I Drive in 1987.
- [26:56]
Casey
Well done, sir. Yeah.
- [26:57]
Tucker Carlson
For real.
- [26:58]
Casey
The.
- [26:58]
Tucker Carlson
No, I, I get with a gun in it.
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Casey
Yeah. Good, good. I, I.
- [27:02]
Tucker Carlson
Sorry, I shouldn't say that.
- [27:03]
Casey
I get too excited on this track. You remember the days of school? Like, you could have a gun rack. Those people were reasonable human beings.
- [27:10]
Tucker Carlson
In California, we Didn't have a lot of deer hunting.
- [27:12]
Casey
Right.
- [27:13]
Tucker Carlson
We had surfboards.
- [27:13]
Casey
But you could still. Yeah, exactly. But now you can still do it. I kind of. I kind of get my independent spirit. I'm like, I'm gonna put a gun rack in my Viper. Not because I need it, just because.
- [27:23]
Tucker Carlson
I totally agree, but.
- [27:25]
Casey
And that's the other thing about the electric car. So when I look at it and all the governmental control and what it appears to me globally is going on with much of that and the push. And then the other thing that doesn't make any sense, so the Biden administration doing the big electric vehicle mandates and such and push, but excluding Tesla from their meetings at the White House and Summit and all that. Really? So what you're telling me is the thing that you want to do with industry and cars and transportation is super important, but not as important as the politics with the guy with the biggest electric car company in the world. I don't like that.
- [27:58]
Tucker Carlson
Well, they're just criminals. I mean, we know that now. They're crim. That was a criminal organization running our country.
- [28:04]
Casey
I know. I think a lot of my grandmother, who's married my World War II vet granddad. Of course, she always said, give him a fair trial and hang him in the morning. And that phrase has been ringing in my mind a lot lately.
- [28:14]
Tucker Carlson
She sounds like my kind of woman. So. But let me just back a little bit. So you create this vehicle in your shop right at home.
- [28:21]
Casey
Yeah.
- [28:22]
Tucker Carlson
Okay. And you think that you could build it for 20 grand, is that true? Okay, 20 grand. So it gets 104 mass produce, of course, at scale, not.
- [28:32]
Casey
Not as a prototype, obviously, so.
- [28:35]
Tucker Carlson
But it does gets 104 miles per gallon. It matches the Tesla off the line. You get to 60 in under five seconds. So that's like kind of the dream package right there.
- [28:47]
Casey
Yeah.
- [28:48]
Tucker Carlson
It runs on a readily available fuel that you can buy at any.
- [28:50]
Casey
Yeah. And I only put a. We. And we have the infrastructure for it.
- [28:54]
Tucker Carlson
Well, yeah, you can fill up at a gas station.
- [28:56]
Casey
I only put a five gallon tank in it because at 100 miles a gallon, like I'm going to need to get out and, you know, have the call of nature or stop at a gas station before. But if I put a bigger gas tank and I can drive from New.
- [29:05]
Tucker Carlson
York to LA on one tank.
- [29:09]
Casey
Yeah, of course.
- [29:12]
Tucker Carlson
Okay.
- [29:13]
Casey
Now I have to point this out because there's lots of smart people watching. They'll get it. Okay. Things like crash testing, airbags, climate control, that jazz. Okay, great. It'll add A few hundred pounds more to it. Maybe it'll make the car a little bit better. But the other thing that happens when you actually develop and build something like that, you tune it better. I still can get those numbers and meet all of those same.
- [29:35]
Tucker Carlson
Okay, so can I just ask at that point, it's like if you invent something that is truly useful and that, you know, at 20 grand. Ish. A new Suburban's like pushing 100 grand right now. Like, the cars are out of control.
- [29:50]
Casey
Who can afford that?
- [29:50]
Tucker Carlson
I couldn't agree more.
- [29:51]
Casey
If you're spending that much money on a car, go buy a vintage Ferrari or something.
- [29:54]
Tucker Carlson
You know, I don't know that I've ever bought a new car in my life, and I don't plan to, but. But people want it. Whatever. Leaving that hole aside, but what you just described is something that, like, almost by definition would be successful. So why can't you find someone to build it at scale?
- [30:10]
Casey
Well, it's 20, 25, and we live in the. In a wonderful country, but one that has evolved into a lot of industrial complexes. And they don't like change.
- [30:24]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, but I mean, you know, no one wants AI. We're getting it anyway.
- [30:30]
Casey
Well, yeah, but.
- [30:31]
Tucker Carlson
Right. We're getting massive change.
- [30:33]
Casey
It's power. That's. That's power, control and money. And they can do it, and they will. Which I have to say one thing which I think you may appreciate. AI effectively is a synthetic God that we're creating.
- [30:44]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, of course.
- [30:46]
Casey
How much of a biblical warning disaster is that?
- [30:50]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, you don't have to dig too deep to be.
- [30:52]
Casey
We're destroying the entirety of the human experience. I just wanted to say.
- [30:56]
Tucker Carlson
And people themselves. Right. We're replacing human beings. I know that'll end well.
- [30:59]
Casey
Apex of the golden cast.
- [31:01]
Tucker Carlson
And by the way, I've done, I don't know how many interviews on the topic of AI around the world. I've been to a lot of different countries to learn just for myself, more about what's happening there. And the one question that no one can answer is, like, what's the benefit of this?
- [31:15]
Casey
Like, control for others.
- [31:17]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, none of the benefit. Yeah, whatever. I don't want to sound like an old guy, but I feel like one when I hear this topic, so. But anyway, just back to the. To the point, like, why specific. So you've been talking about this on your podcast on YouTube.
- [31:32]
Casey
Yeah, my YouTube channel. Yeah.
- [31:33]
Tucker Carlson
And which has a lot of viewers. And why has no one called you to say, you know, I'll friendship a couple hundred Million bucks and we'll just build a facility.
- [31:42]
Casey
And the, the difficulty with things like this is so. Okay, first of all, you think, how do you do that? Okay. With. What I'm talking about is not something that can be reasonably just scaled from a garage. Like, what am I going to do? Just build a few little ones here? I would buy one. You got to do something selling. Right.
- [31:58]
Tucker Carlson
I would buy. What's it look like?
- [32:00]
Casey
Oh, it's.
- [32:00]
Tucker Carlson
It's such a bad interviewer. I haven't even asked the base.
- [32:02]
Casey
No, you should. It's. It's. It's pretty cool.
- [32:05]
Tucker Carlson
Can you describe it? Give me a word picture.
- [32:08]
Casey
Trying to think of something that quite looks like it. It's slippery. It looks like a cross between an exotic car and a little bit of a Bonneville salt flats car.
- [32:17]
Tucker Carlson
Wow. You didn't mention cybertruck. Does it have hard lines?
- [32:20]
Casey
No.
- [32:21]
Tucker Carlson
Really?
- [32:22]
Casey
Well, I'd like it to be efficient.
- [32:25]
Tucker Carlson
Oh.
- [32:26]
Casey
Rather than just interesting for aesthetic steak. Respectfully, I don't mean that as a dig.
- [32:32]
Tucker Carlson
No, I'm not attacking the cybertruck. I personally think it's incredibly unattractive.
- [32:36]
Casey
It's the cybertruck.
- [32:37]
Tucker Carlson
Yes.
- [32:38]
Casey
I just like the.
- [32:39]
Tucker Carlson
And I respect the cybertruck. By the way. I did a cybertruck review.
- [32:41]
Casey
Yeah.
- [32:42]
Tucker Carlson
I think it's a really interesting vehicle. I'm glad it exists and. But I'm just saying, esthetically, yeah, it's pretty good looking.
- [32:49]
Casey
It's a little different because we're accustomed to seeing. What?
- [32:52]
Tucker Carlson
Too many angles for me.
- [32:53]
Casey
Oh, no, I was talking about my car, not the cybertruck.
- [32:55]
Tucker Carlson
Okay. Sorry, I'm obsessed.
- [32:56]
Casey
No, the cybertruck. The best meme is there's a DeLorean and an F117 Nighthawk. Right. And F117 is like the military guy and it's kind of like the mom. And the Nighthawk's like, what do you mean? He's my son. He doesn't look anything like me. And they show the cybertruck and he's.
- [33:12]
Tucker Carlson
Like, oh, you know, I'm more like 1935 Packard. You know, just soft lines.
- [33:18]
Casey
I have a 31 Buick Phaeton.
- [33:20]
Tucker Carlson
Is it pretty?
- [33:21]
Casey
Yes, very.
- [33:22]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, of course it is. So, anyway, I keep interrupting. You tell me what it looks like. What would you compare it to? Something that people might.
- [33:29]
Casey
Well, it's mid engine. Okay. So the engine's within the wheelbase, but behind the cockpit, it's two seat. It has butterfly doors similar to like a McLaren F1. In that regard, it was efficient. It has something of an open tail, because I. It was very important, the way the air flows around it, but also underneath it so that I can make it highly efficient. So, you know, the bottom of the. It's a monocoque structure where it's not like a tube frame with the body stuck on it. The whole car is itself the structure as well. So the air, the way it flows over it through the radiator in the back, also to the heating of the motor and the way that then intersects the trailing edge and the way the air flows around it. It's just all designed to be design efficient.
- [34:13]
Tucker Carlson
It sounds amazing.
- [34:15]
Casey
And you can even use the structure of the. Show me the chassis or the structure. So I can even make the STERE very small and effective and efficient because naturally, acoustically, it works out well for that too. So it's a lot of fun with design. I just every once in a while you need somebody who looks around at the world and goes, this is wrong. We can do better. I can do better. I'm going to do better. And that's just.
- [34:39]
Tucker Carlson
So you build this thing. Can you register it? Yeah, just go to the DMV and register it.
- [34:44]
Casey
Yeah, it's registered. No different than an assembled vehicle or kit car. There's a lot of ways to do a modified vehicle, just like.
- [34:50]
Tucker Carlson
And make car I made.
- [34:51]
Casey
Yeah.
- [34:52]
Tucker Carlson
Huh. Amazing car guy stuff. What do people say when you drive it around?
- [34:59]
Casey
I keep it relatively under wraps because, respectfully, for as much time as it took me to build and what it represents, it's. I consider it kind of valuable to trust out there in the wild with people on their cell phones and stuff. So I kind of go with a low profile, but people are definitely interested and enamored by what it's like, but.
- [35:15]
Tucker Carlson
They'Re not beating down your door.
- [35:18]
Casey
Correct. And that was the other interesting thing. So nobody reported on it, even though, you know, I got a few hundred thousand views on it. When I said everything I wanted to say and show it and did the numbers right. I would think if somebody builds a diesel car that represents being affordable and recyclable, mass produce that gets great fuel efficiency and has a low carbon impact and all people would be into that. Well, one word I got back from an automotive media was telling. They said, we don't report on dirty Diesel. And the other was, diesel's dead. And I thought about that and I go, hang on. Diesel's like one of the most used fuels there are.
- [35:53]
Tucker Carlson
Wait, who. Who wrote that?
- [35:55]
Casey
It was said. It wasn't written. It was said to Us.
- [35:57]
Tucker Carlson
These are like professional car reviewers.
- [35:59]
Casey
Correct. They won't touch it, they won't write about it.
- [36:03]
Tucker Carlson
Why do this is obviously a much deeper question, but why do the worst people in the world, the most small minded, the stupidest, the meanest, the people with like the most unbalanced, unhealthy personal lives, why do they all go into journalism?
- [36:15]
Casey
Do you think that's a better question for you? But I have to.
- [36:19]
Tucker Carlson
I've been pondering this for like 35 years. I didn't understand it.
- [36:22]
Casey
There are certain personality types and I see the worst ones is kind of like we talk about like the dark triad personality traits, which is like, you know, psychopathy and Machiavellianism and narcissism, et cetera, you know, these kind. I'm gonna get a lot of trouble.
- [36:37]
Tucker Carlson
For this, but, like, thought about that?
- [36:39]
Casey
No, I, I've been around. So in the, in the normal car world, sports cars and such may get in trouble. I love exotic cars. I really do. Okay. Like when I was a kid, my dad showed me the movies. Grand Prix with James Gardner and le Mans. Steve McQueen. Please tell me you've seen at least one of these movies, right?
- [36:54]
Tucker Carlson
I don't know.
- [36:55]
Casey
Okay, well, watch lamar with Steve McQueen. Just getting a good vibe as Steve McQueen being himself and just lamosan straight in le Mans, early 70s Porsche flat 12 against a Ferrari V12. Just singing it. And like, as a kid, I'm like, I want that. You know what I mean? So I love exotic cars because for me, something like a V12 Lamborghini is like, yes, I can't be Steve McQueen at Le Mans, but I can drive this. You know what I mean?
- [37:18]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
- [37:19]
Casey
But nowadays they're paddle shifted and any, anybody that wants to flex can buy them. So if somebody ever said to me, hey, Casey, I need you to find me the most narcissistic sociopath possible. I'm like, no problem. Let's find the most Lamborghinis. And the reason I bring that up.
- [37:34]
Tucker Carlson
And you say they're paddles, meaning the, the.
- [37:37]
Casey
Anybody can drive anymore, right? They don't take any more skill or appreciation for the machinery.
- [37:41]
Tucker Carlson
Respectfully, how were they? Were you like double clutching and like, how hard were they to, to operate? I mean, four, like when there was standard transition.
- [37:48]
Casey
Yeah, things like that back when, you know, carbureted, like anything you got to treat a muscle car right a little bit. You know, something that's carbureted.
- [37:56]
Tucker Carlson
How to operate it.
- [37:57]
Casey
Yeah. I mean, if you got, if you get the privilege of driving Something like an old Lamborghini or Ferrari from the 70s or earlier. You got to be a little sympathetic. You got to understand the transmission. You got to be able to rev, match gears and such. You're not going to be doing wild burnouts and such. Got to understand the carburetors and letting it warm up and appreciate it. And we're an industrial age where you don't have to do that. But to answer your question relating to journalism, I. I make that joke about certain things attract certain personality traits because those personality traits can do well. So, you know, they also say Washington D.C. is Hollywood for ugly people.
- [38:31]
Tucker Carlson
That's for sure.
- [38:31]
Casey
And I think a lot of the traits of Hollywood to Washington D.C. to journalism are the same kind of manipulative sociopath tendencies. That you can lie to somebody with a smile perfectly and, and find the structured crazy chess game to ruin people's life and power play your way up and find power and money.
- [38:51]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, I mean, I think. I mean, clearly everything you're saying is. Is true, but it's just disappointing to see it in journalism. Not because crappy people with weird personal lives go into journalism and they're cowards. Of course. Most people are, unfortunately, but they have no curiosity.
- [39:09]
Casey
I know.
- [39:09]
Tucker Carlson
And that's what drives me insane.
- [39:11]
Casey
Thank you.
- [39:12]
Tucker Carlson
If there's one quality that defines journalism and a journalist, it's the desire to know more.
- [39:18]
Casey
Right.
- [39:18]
Tucker Carlson
And they spend their whole lives trying to attack you, call you a racist for wanting to know more. It's insane. So somebody called me. Well, actually, you did call me. You're like, I built this car that gets 104 gallons. I mean, miles to a gallon. I'm not even a car guy, really. But I'm like, well, that's kind of crazy on a diesel motor, really Engine. Yes. And, you know, I tried to be polite and qualified. It was amazing. I was like, really? Is that really true? I guess you get video of it, so I guess it is. So I don't know why. If I was a professional car reviewer, I'd be like, I'm coming to your house. I want to see what this is.
- [39:51]
Casey
Yeah. And to be fair, in a manner of speaking, I didn't really invent anything. I just designed something better and thought about the world independently. And like, I'm doing this. It needs to represent what we actually can do and where we can go. And I just. I have to do this.
- [40:06]
Tucker Carlson
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- [41:13]
Casey
I don't think obsessed, no.
- [41:15]
Tucker Carlson
But I mean, did it. Was it the kind of thing that occupied your thoughts in bed and like, were you really fixated on it?
- [41:21]
Casey
I mean, yeah, because I design the things in my head. Yeah, I'll do like a drawing or an engineering drawing or something just to communicate and show somebody else, but I'll run all the simulations and design the entire structure and everything in my head. My wife gets on my case sometimes, so we go on a date or she's like, I can see the hamster wheel turning.
- [41:37]
Tucker Carlson
I'm like, I'm sorry, that's how creativity works. It germinates in your head.
- [41:43]
Casey
But no, the journalists, I appreciate you saying that because they follow along. They want their power within their bubble. But the thing that's kind of crazy to me when I say they're gutless, you would think they would actually get better views and more clicks if they broke the mold to show something interesting. That maybe goes against popular narratives, but they don't.
- [42:01]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, they spend their lives dutifully ignoring things. I mean, there are megaliths around the world, including in the United States, huge stone structures, and nobody, including any structural engineer in the United States, has no idea how they were built in the pre internal combustion age, in the pre industrial age. There's literally not even a good guess as to how this was built. And of course, I don't know the answer either, but I Mean, that's such an amazing thing. When were the pyramids built? Nobody knows. How were they built? Nobody knows. I can't get that out of my head. Again, I'm not pushing a conspiracy theory. I'm just noting what we don't know. And I don't know why, like, everyone's like, shut up, shut up.
- [42:42]
Casey
What? No, I'm glad you said that. And there's a lot of other structures that are popping up more nowadays in archeology. And there's even guys that do like surface lidar and they're seeing things in fields and such. And as silly as it is, explain.
- [42:54]
Tucker Carlson
What that is for people who don't know what you're talking about.
- [42:56]
Casey
To be perfectly honest, I don't know it as well, but I think through the satellites and stuff that we can use now, like nerds. And I mean that in a nice way. Spend the time looking over. It shows the exact topography of the ground.
- [43:07]
Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
- [43:07]
Casey
Without vegetation.
- [43:09]
Tucker Carlson
And suggest what's underneath it.
- [43:11]
Casey
Yeah. So if you start seeing geometric shapes and stuff, might be something.
- [43:14]
Tucker Carlson
It might be man made, you know, or at least made.
- [43:17]
Casey
Yeah. Well, and the other thing is. So maybe not Too long ago, 10, 20, 30 years ago, we think, oh, we've discovered everything. We're brilliant. We know everything.
- [43:25]
Tucker Carlson
It's not true. I know, I know.
- [43:26]
Casey
I. I really, I don't know if I'll have time or what the future will bring, but I really want to do some videos where you go to interesting places, the world to see and find these things. And one thing I'd really like to do is motorcycles around Saudi Arabia.
- [43:43]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
- [43:43]
Casey
Because it is a fascinating kingdom with some really interesting history.
- [43:47]
Tucker Carlson
I was just there. Well, yeah. Yes. And I was out. Now, which is the. A truly ancient. Right.
- [43:53]
Casey
Yes. That's the place you want to see one of them.
- [43:55]
Tucker Carlson
Right. Out from Riyadh. It's. It's quite amazing. But the archeology there, which is, you know, the Saudis have a lot going on. They're building a whole new society.
- [44:03]
Casey
Yeah.
- [44:04]
Tucker Carlson
And I don't know that they are, you know, focused on, like most emerging nations are not focused on archaeology. All of the archaeological sites of significance in the Middle east and then, you know, the Near East Levant were discovered by the Brits and the French.
- [44:21]
Casey
Right.
- [44:22]
Tucker Carlson
All of them, they'd sat there for thousands of years. The locals were like, yeah. Too busy trying to.
- [44:26]
Casey
Well, they knew of it. It was, I don't say normal to them, but that's their home.
- [44:29]
Tucker Carlson
But it took people from the outside to be like, wait, what the hell is that? You know, where was. Whatever. Sodom and Gomorrah, you know?
- [44:35]
Casey
Yes, yes, yes. I mean, how much of that is biblical land, like the land of Midian, you know, which they know.
- [44:40]
Tucker Carlson
But the point is that process of discovery and of creativity is driven by a common impulse, which is curiosity.
- [44:49]
Casey
Yeah.
- [44:50]
Tucker Carlson
And so when you don't have curiosity, you're never going to discover or create. But more important, I think for the moment we're living in, it's like, why don't you have curiosity? Why is curiosity discouraged? Like, that is a very deep. And I don't know the answer, but I find it scary. There's something sinister about that. Don't ask questions. Well, why?
- [45:11]
Casey
Social media is doing it to us.
- [45:13]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, but why? What's the. Well, I mean, I don't even have very interesting, crazy views on anything, but I know just from talking about World War II, there are people alive who are in World War II. It's like it just happened 80 years ago. People denounce you as some Nazi. I couldn't be more against the Nazis, just for the record. But it's like, what was Rudolf Hess doing in Great Britain? That's like a really interesting question. No, not a lot. They murdered Rudolph Hess in spandau in his 80s. I think it's really clear that he was killed, so he wouldn't say why he flew over.
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Casey
People just won't talk about this.
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Tucker Carlson
But it's like, but why? Why is that scary to anybody? And the megalith thing and the archeology thing. Why are these scary questions? Well, what's the answer? I don't understand.
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Casey
I'll say it. So you said relating to your cars, about control, right?
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Casey
I don't want this because they can't control it. It's the same thing of like saying, you can pry this, whether it's a sports car or firearm, out of my cold, dead hands. If people don't ask questions and they're not interested in their own history or culture or the past or any others, and they can't relate, it's easier to keep them in one place and your thumb on them.
- [46:24]
Tucker Carlson
I think that's. I mean, look, if. But I don't begrudge people a lack of interest in anything. I mean, every person makes his own decisions about what he cares about and. Yeah, and, you know, his beliefs, his religion, all those things, you know, I'm like, very, I guess, liberal in that sense. I just. I'm worried when people attack me for being curious.
- [46:43]
Casey
Yeah, I Don't. I'm not.
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Tucker Carlson
And all these people on the so called right, you know, whatever, a lot of which is like totally fake. There's something right about it. They're leftists or they're true, you know, obeying the same masters. Sort of attacking you for asking. Oh, just asking questions. It's like, yeah, I am just asking questions. Like, that's okay.
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Casey
In fact, that's like the nature of human existence, Western civilization.
- [47:04]
Tucker Carlson
That's what Martin Luther did.
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Casey
And the thing that frankly, is so dangerous about. No, it's perfect. And frankly, that's what I think. So dangerous about AI yeah. The journey, the life journey, to find the wisdom, to learn, to seek the truth. Will that stop it? And then who's controlling it?
- [47:19]
Tucker Carlson
Well, the iPhone has not made us better informed. You know, the Internet has not made us better informed. In fact, it's centralized control over information. In effect, when Wikipedia is the first search result. And Wikipedia is completely controlled by the US government, by the intel agencies. Fact. And the results in Wikipedia are shaped subtly, sometimes not so subtly, to produce a worldview.
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Casey
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
That is inherently dishonest. It's not true. And if you get your history through Wikipedia. I look at Wikipedia every day. I'm not. You know, there are certain great things about Wikipedia. But. But big picture, you're gonna have no idea what happened in the past if all you do is read Wikipedia.
- [48:00]
Casey
No. How can you. I mean, we can think of so many popular things through history that are just that way, where people only know one superficial level.
- [48:06]
Tucker Carlson
Internet.
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Casey
Are you kidding me? No, it has, it has made everything more extreme and pigeonholed everything, you know, is dumber.
- [48:14]
Tucker Carlson
Like people don't read books.
- [48:15]
Casey
Well, here's something I noticed just from.
- [48:17]
Tucker Carlson
Sorry, now I'm really good.
- [48:18]
Casey
Oh, no, you're right. Well, just from doing automotive YouTube, it still works the same as every other YouTube human interaction, all that. I. It's kind of a funny way to put it. So I was a car guy before YouTube, right. I built cars, I did all that sort of thing. A lot of people that become more prominent in the automotive region of YouTube, they weren't as big a car guy. They kind of just rose up as an interesting character and they're happy to be somewhat famous, make some money, do their thing, get acknowledgement. And as I, I grew that. Which is funny because the entirety of the reason I went on YouTube was just to try to get some exposure for the nonprofit I was doing because I couldn't get any with traditional media. I was kind of pissed off yeah, So I ended up there for that reason, but kept it going because it's like, okay, well have something of a voice. This is good for the nonprofit to give it exposure or just try to have a life and go somewhere, you know. But what I noticed is they call the people that are creating the content the influencers. They're the influenced because they're always chasing an algorithm and the algorithm wants to keep you in one place. It doesn't let you evolve, it doesn't let you do anything.
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, it's totally right.
- [49:24]
Casey
It's, it's a, it's a pseudo reality. And I see how that affects the culture and young people. I don't like it.
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Tucker Carlson
No, it's snake eating its tail for sure. I wonder though, like, I'm sure this has occurred to you and I'm terrible at business, so don't take my advice. But like, since you have designed something that has inherent utility and obvious mass appeal, and I, I'm naive enough to think that still matters. Like if you make a great thing, does matter, people want it and they'll pay for it, especially if it's cheap. Why not just do like a crowdfunding situation where like, all right, you know, I designed this vehicle. It's 104 miles to the gallon on diesel fuel, which you can buy anywhere and that, you know, can match an electric vehicle off the line. Like, who wants to send in money and let's make this thing right.
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Casey
Well, it's how you scale it. Right. So in my thinking, if you do a crowdfunding type of thing that's very grassroots, respectfully, yeah. And I would have to go a different direction with the car where they'd kind of almost be like self assembled, prototype type things. And that's cool. But honestly, the thing that I kind of worry about doing that, starting a small scale versus something else, is that I don't want to do something in a sense too good to where they try to change the laws and ruin the ability for people to build their own cars. I know that sounds a little kooky, but the other thing is, if you think of private equity guys and such, typically they want a faster return on such. And the problem is when you're thinking of something that frankly upsets an industry and relates to the automotive industry, how do you integrate it? Can you use the process to make smaller parts that can be profitable in industry? Do you start smaller like that? Do you, do you want to do all big scale and create a car company from the ground up? Because that's no small task, monetarily speaking.
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Tucker Carlson
No, it's not.
- [51:10]
Casey
And there's only so many idealistic rogue billionaires in the world, you know, and that's generally what it takes. Unless you have a government that wants to make something happen.
- [51:19]
Tucker Carlson
If you can make a vehicle like this for 20 grand, why not just sell it for 50 grand on the Internet? I'd buy one.
- [51:26]
Casey
You have a point. But you got to scale that to a point that works, because there's a big difference between doing something in a small manufacturing to mass production.
- [51:34]
Tucker Carlson
But at the same, there's got to be a way to get it out there. I mean.
- [51:37]
Casey
Well, Elon's first car with Tesla, the Roadster, was a Lotus Elise chassis with a different body and electrified. And the guys that I knew who had those originally were rich guys. They had Ferraris and Lamborghinis, and that was their cool toy to start with.
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Tucker Carlson
What's this car called, by the way?
- [51:52]
Casey
The Tesla Roast. Your original one. Oh, mine. The Omega car.
- [51:55]
Tucker Carlson
I called it the Omega car.
- [51:56]
Casey
Yeah.
- [51:58]
Tucker Carlson
I'd like an Omega car in forest green. Could you do that?
- [52:01]
Casey
Oh, yeah, actually, yeah, why not?
- [52:05]
Tucker Carlson
I'd buy it in a second. Can you ship them?
- [52:07]
Casey
You can, you can. We'd have to talk. If you want to prototype something, though, maybe we'll make something special.
- [52:12]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
- [52:13]
Casey
Hold your fly rods.
- [52:14]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah. For real.
- [52:15]
Casey
If you can't use it, what good is it? You know, I'm getting one.
- [52:19]
Tucker Carlson
So I just want to go back to something you said in the very first moments of this interview. You said that you don't own any. You're obviously a car guy. You build cars.
- [52:30]
Casey
Yeah, my happiness is way too wrapped up in the ability to just drive my own car.
- [52:35]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, I love.
- [52:36]
Casey
But whether anybody's around or not, I don't care. I just. Just let me drive my own car.
- [52:39]
Tucker Carlson
But you like wrenching on them too.
- [52:41]
Casey
Yeah, it's rewarding. I don't necessarily want to do it all the time.
- [52:43]
Tucker Carlson
No? No.
- [52:44]
Casey
It's awful. I try to. My hands have healed up enough. I won't bleed on my white shirt today.
- [52:50]
Tucker Carlson
That's nice, but can I ask, you said that you don't have any vehicle older than early 2000s?
- [52:57]
Casey
Newer. Newer than early, rather.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, newer. I beg your pardon. So why is that? Like, what's bad about cars made in the last 25 years? And please be very specific.
- [53:08]
Casey
Oh, I will. The first problem with new cars is you lose money hand over fist to depreciation, and then if you have to take out a loan for it, you're also paying interest on that.
- [53:16]
Tucker Carlson
Yes.
- [53:17]
Casey
And one of the fastest ways I see normal people in general lose money is on new cars.
- [53:22]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
- [53:23]
Casey
And they do it because they're afraid they can't work on it or service it.
- [53:25]
Tucker Carlson
That's exactly.
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Casey
That's basically the only real.
- [53:28]
Tucker Carlson
Right.
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Casey
But then you get dealerships that just find new ways to not do their warranty work, because that's where they make a lot of money. And that's. That's a separate thing. So a new car, I mean, that's nice if you can afford it, but rather than buying a new $100,000 truck or SUV, I'd rather buy this nice used one for, I don't know, 15 or 20 and spend the rest of the money. I'll go, you know, if you got to go buy a vintage Ferrari or a muscle car, something cool, you know, at least keep your money, have some fun. But it's more than that. Cars, I would say, in the last 20 to 25 years. The evolution is not for the sake of the car and the person and so much of the experience. It's more for the sake of the nature of dealing with regulation and keeping a profit margin and building it. And when you do that, you make things that are inherently more prone to failing in the future and less serviceable, and that's not good for ownership or an actual lifespan.
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Tucker Carlson
So everything. I mean, I grew up working on a motorcycle with a carburetor and building the carburetor, adjusting the flow bowl, you know, had a timing light, adjust the points. I mean, all that stuff. Just like really super basic mechanics. And there are lots of downsides to that. They break a lot, but you could understand it. My feeling is the vehicles that I have had that are newer, I mean, I have no idea how they work. Fuel injection is still kind of a mystery to me. I'm sorry to say that it is.
- [54:54]
Casey
It works the same way as a carburetor. It's just metered and more complicated.
- [54:57]
Tucker Carlson
Well, I guess this trend toward making everything electric. I bought a truck last year, a Chevy truck, which I've always had, and I was at a gas station, and all of a sudden on the dashboard, it says, stop. We're downloading information from the Internet.
- [55:15]
Casey
While you were driving?
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Tucker Carlson
No, I was stopped.
- [55:18]
Casey
It just specifically wanted you to stay stopped so it can.
- [55:20]
Tucker Carlson
So it could, I don't know, download software. I sold the car immediately. I brought it back and sold it.
- [55:25]
Casey
They wanted all your data to provide it to insurance companies to wreck your life. I'M sure.
- [55:29]
Tucker Carlson
Is that true?
- [55:30]
Casey
Okay. Insurance companies will be the downfall of cars and driving, I guarantee it. And the other thing is all the cameras that are out there, everybody's putting cameras on their car.
- [55:38]
Tucker Carlson
I'm like, okay, you guys, cameras on their car.
- [55:40]
Casey
Well, I'm sure you've seen it like people are buying little cameras to see what happens if somebody does something stupid on the road. You can use that to protect yourself legally. Right. That's why they sell it.
- [55:50]
Tucker Carlson
It's never occurred to me, but yes.
- [55:52]
Casey
Okay, what happens when those are mandated in every car everywhere? What happens when you're completely mandated? Control car shuts off at exactly 55 mile an hour speed limit, no matter what. It's just another method of slippery slope of control. And it'll come from insurance companies and.
- [56:07]
Tucker Carlson
The law enforcement can turn off your car from afar. Correct? Yeah.
- [56:11]
Casey
And they do well with certain cars.
- [56:13]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah. So what's the. When's the last year you could have a car that can't be controlled?
- [56:19]
Casey
Oh, that's a good question. Because I don't mess around with those cars very often or ever.
- [56:24]
Tucker Carlson
Is it fair to say ones that.
- [56:26]
Casey
Are connected to the Internet or a satellite in some way? You know, OnStar kind of came about with your mirror and I don't really know much about it, but that was kind of the first, I think, mainstream way when we saw cars were being specifically connected to something beyond yourself.
- [56:38]
Tucker Carlson
So would you say pre 911 cars are not.
- [56:43]
Casey
They're a lot safer in terms of that. The other thing too, in the early 2000s, a system called can bus system came out.
- [56:49]
Tucker Carlson
Can bus.
- [56:50]
Casey
It was to make wiring more efficient. You theoretically have less wires, but everything is tied together through almost like a spinal cord of the computer and it has to speak to each other. And that was something else. Kind of a beginning of the end and being serviceable in the future and not creating cars with a lot of glitches.
- [57:06]
Tucker Carlson
It does feel like everything is. You're going to have like fly by wire cars with, you know, we already do.
- [57:14]
Casey
The other thing is a couple small points that are also happening were the right to repair your own private property is under attack. That's for farmers.
- [57:22]
Tucker Carlson
What does that mean?
- [57:23]
Casey
Well, I think there was a big thing going on with John Deere tractors where farmers couldn't service their vehicles. They have to take them to the dealership and have to plug in with the computer that only the dealership has through the company. And forgive me if I got this wrong, I think it was John Deere, but That's something that's happening everywhere. Because if manufacturers or dealerships want more money, well, they want you to service with them. If they make it so you can only service with them no matter what, well, then they're going to, in an authoritarian way, force you to let them make the money, which is frankly another method of control. And when you start adding all those things up, you just keep taking away all the power for the people before eventually you get to a point where will you even be able to own your own car anymore? And will you driving it be a liability to where if we have self driving cars, it just takes you there at the most efficient time that whatever the it wants you to. Wants you to.
- [58:18]
Tucker Carlson
So that's like an attack on human autonomy, obviously.
- [58:20]
Casey
Yeah, it's where we're. It's where that's going and something.
- [58:23]
Tucker Carlson
So I, I had a Harley Davidson, you know, since I was in College in 1971, which, you know, I could kind of understand.
- [58:29]
Casey
Great bike.
- [58:31]
Tucker Carlson
But I bought a new Harley last year and they delivered it, you know, big fun bike, fast, you know, like six speeds, which is actually comfortable. Crazy to me. And that just the transmission is like, great. I mean, my bike, you downshift, you got to pop the throttle. No return spring in the throttle, you got to pop that to get it down. And so the shifting in this thing was just like beyond belief. But when they delivered it to my barn, they, I said, let's talk about how to change the oil, obviously. And they go, you know, no, no, we don't. We actually recommend bringing it to the dealership. And I was like, yeah, but it's chain the oil. And motorcycle is like, not hard. And they're like, well, you know, there are gaskets and Gaskets. Why would it be a gas. Why'd you have to replace a gasket to change the oil? Anyway, I brought it back to dealership, didn't want it.
- [59:23]
Casey
Oh, really? You're like, and now I'm done with you guys.
- [59:25]
Tucker Carlson
I did. They were great. I don't mean to attack them in any way. They were awesome people. Most motorcycle people are great people, and they definitely were. But I didn't want a motorcycle where you had to replace a gasket. I mean, like pop the jugs off.
- [59:39]
Casey
Okay, but I mean, maybe like a little like copper o ring or aluminum ring or something on the drain plug.
- [59:45]
Tucker Carlson
But like, well, of course you always.
- [59:47]
Casey
Is this one of those crazy modern manufacturing thing where you have to do.
- [59:50]
Tucker Carlson
And they're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I was like, I'm not rebuilding the lower end. I just want to change the oil. And they're like, you know, most of our customers bring that back to the dealership. And I was. And I. I don't know, I didn't like that at all. And I felt like there was a scam involved.
- [60:08]
Casey
Yeah.
- [60:08]
Tucker Carlson
Which is the one you described, right?
- [60:09]
Casey
Yeah. It just triggers something kind of in your. Because you're in the back. Something's wrong here. Yeah, well. And I don't say those things in a like kooky conspiracy, conspiratorial type of way, but it's literally where we're going. And you know, when I see things like that and I mentioned about it'll be insurance companies that ruin it for everybody. Because the other thing is what happens when they start making it where you can't drive your older cars anymore?
- [60:34]
Tucker Carlson
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- [62:19]
Casey
Yes, that was a little early, before I started paying attention to the guns.
- [62:23]
Tucker Carlson
On so the federal government basically clunkers, like perfectly fine cars built before a certain date. You could redeem them for cash and then they just, they melted them. And I felt like there was something pretty sinister about that. But maybe I'm just like one of those paranoid wackos who, well, don't think Randy Weaver deserved to be killed. I don't know. Maybe I'm just on the fringe.
- [62:43]
Casey
If an industry, no, if an industry is no longer about innovation and it's so big that it can't fail and it's pushed to go a certain way, well then the best way to ensure that it succeeds is force you to buy something new, even if it's not in your own best interest.
- [62:58]
Tucker Carlson
Exactly. But it does. You know, you raised the question, which is how do you service vehicles made before 9, 11? And that is why people don't want them. And I must say, made before you.
- [63:12]
Casey
You said you ones made before easier to service than the ones made after.
- [63:16]
Tucker Carlson
Well, no, I mean it's like if you buy an older vehicle and I drive an older vehicle. So I know it's like you can't just. I mean, you have to know someone who can fix it.
- [63:25]
Casey
Yeah, of course, to an extent. Yeah.
- [63:27]
Tucker Carlson
But are we entering a world where there won't be any mechanics who can, who know what a carburetor is, for example?
- [63:34]
Casey
I don't know about that so much. It's specialized, but they're simple. You can look at it and know the basic principles that are going on. It's the newer stuff that's crazy. For instance, my father in law recently got my mother in law this nice newer suv. I think it's a BMW. I think it's a hybrid suv. She likes it. And my father in law look at it and go by. We're like, there's a lot of servos and things whirring and buzzing. And I don't want to say it, but I guess I'm saying it now. It's kind of like when is this thing going to break and how much is that going to cost? And no, you're not going to reasonably fix that. And then when that thing is older that all these highly specialized little mechanisms and circuit boards and servos or whatever go bad. Who's making that? And is it worth making it anymore? Or is it just another giant, complicated, toxic, wasteful thing that we go on in this vicious consumer cycle?
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Tucker Carlson
No, they just, they just crush it.
- [64:23]
Casey
Well, some older cars, you can still fix this goofy story. Maybe, but I bought a for $8,000, I bought a 1996 Rolls Royce off Facebook marketplace kind of as a joke. I'm like, I don't know, this might be kind of cool. I love the car. And I ended up fixing it up for almost nothing. And I got a car that in 1996.
- [64:43]
Tucker Carlson
Did it run?
- [64:44]
Casey
Yeah, it was a great car. Taking over family trips and all in it. I didn't have to do that much.
- [64:49]
Tucker Carlson
Royce.
- [64:49]
Casey
Yeah, it was like 170, $80,000 in the 90s. But where I'm going with it is.
- [64:53]
Tucker Carlson
The way you roll.
- [64:55]
Casey
Hey, look, I may not be wealthy, but like I can live well if you got a toolbox and some know how and you think for yourself, you know. But where I was going with it is that car's fixable the way it's constructed.
- [65:05]
Tucker Carlson
What kind of engine does it have?
- [65:06]
Casey
It's got a V8. It's all aluminum, naturally aspirated V8. The transmission's general Motors based. So when I needed stuff to fix it, I just got it locally. It was no big deal. And sure, there's some things that are old Rolls Royce on it, but it's built differently. It's built to where you can actually repair the part, not just be a parts changing type of mechanic like modern things. And people get into technology for technology's sake nowadays, but it's the philosophy of design that goes behind it. We're locked in this consumer industrialized, only new is better, more complicated, more expensive, more regulated. When the mentality and the know, how should we say of the first half of the 20th century, we built things that could actually be repaired. We build things that can be serviceable, that can last to an extent. So why are we not still using good design and engineering mindsets and technology direction with modernity in a way that's actually useful for people and communities and a nation. And rather than just an industry.
- [66:12]
Tucker Carlson
I'm most struck by, I mean, because we deindustrialized is part of it. So that makes sense to me. Why can't we build this or that thing? Why haven't we been to the moon in 50 years, assuming we went in the first place? I kind of get that. Because there are fewer competent engineers. Everyone's A marketing major. Okay, that makes sense. What I don't understand is the decline in design, and not just in automotive, but across the society, the civilization, actually.
- [66:44]
Casey
We're making things uglier, aren't we?
- [66:46]
Tucker Carlson
Why is that?
- [66:48]
Casey
That's a cultural issue.
- [66:49]
Tucker Carlson
I was in another city, I won't name it, but a nice kind of tertiary city, but a growing city with a lot of nice people in it, affluent. And I was driving through. This was last weekend, I was driving through an affluent neighborhood with one of my children who's a design person, and I said, that house is black. This is new build. It was brand new house.
- [67:10]
Casey
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
And they painted it.
- [67:11]
Casey
Normally that would have meant in Europe you got the black Peleg, don't come here.
- [67:15]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
- [67:15]
Casey
Back in the day, right. Like if you're in Amsterdam, a black house, like Amsterdam.
- [67:19]
Tucker Carlson
And I saw another and then I saw like three more.
- [67:21]
Casey
I said like, do these people hate themselves?
- [67:23]
Tucker Carlson
What is this? She goes, it's disgusting. And I, I felt that way. But like, what, why would you ever paint a house black? Or why would you build? Like, what the hell is going on with design? What's your theory?
- [67:36]
Casey
Actually, I went in college, went to Ohio State, third generation there. And originally I was going in for automotive design or product design. I really should have gone into engineering, that's my forte. But where I'm going with this is it's housed within fine art in colleges.
- [67:53]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Casey
And I generally dislike modern art. Okay. I think that if you don't have the technical skill to do something actually beautiful, then I don't care about your hoo hoo abstract ideas. Right. But where I'm going with this is so called art and design. And product design has been influenced over the 20th century, going back to like the Frankfurt School in Europe, which frankly was a lot of communist mindset that infiltrated the art world.
- [68:26]
Tucker Carlson
And it's made sure it's anti western civilization, it's a Christian, it's anti beauty.
- [68:31]
Casey
It's the simplest thing. In fact, I gave you this small detail. I ended up hating my experience there. I ended up quitting after like a year and a half and designing my own major just to get the hell out of school. Because I was kind of pissed off actually, because there was one specifically. I remember in this one class we get to design something for the whole semester, Right. And we're going to design a bathroom scale. I'm like, okay, I thought about it. I'm like, this sucks with the way they're teaching us to have an aesthetic, do the simplest thing Possible. Which is somewhat communistic in a way. You know, it seems almost so bad.
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Tucker Carlson
That's the imperative. Make it as simple as possible.
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Casey
The simplest, most boring thing possible. I'm like, what is the point? Let's just have a white room with one wasili chair in the back of it. We'll just sit there and hate our lives. Like anything beautiful, anything classic. They shied away from design. Literally pushed away.
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Tucker Carlson
What about natural?
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Casey
Natural beauty. That's not their thing.
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Tucker Carlson
It does seem like there's a very intense, like almost visceral hatred of nature coming off design people. It's like strangely.
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Casey
Yes, strangely. But in regard to the story I have to tell you. So the bathroom scale, I thought to myself, this is going to take a semester. It doesn't even have to function. And if they just want to make the simplest thing possible. Okay, here, Here's a round piece of glass with an LCD display on it that tells you to go eat a salad. Like, I don't want to do this. And so I met with the academic advisor and I said, I will meet all of your academic requirements for this class, but please let me design something at my level right now. Let me design a car. And they said no, they would not let me design anything.
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Tucker Carlson
Just because there's too much initiative and too much creativity.
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Casey
They wouldn't let me do it.
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Tucker Carlson
Did you pay for this experience?
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Casey
Yeah, sadly. And that's a problem with Marian educational system. You know, libraries are free.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Casey
You know, there's a lot of nice people out there that can help you learn. But so I stayed around in that program for another semester. I didn't do anything the whole semester. The night before the exam and presentation, I just Ferris Buellered a bunch of stuff together and ran around. I don't know, got a B plus and I just design cars on things on my own. But how insane is that? That in college when you're actually paying to be there and they're supposed to be design and product design, that they won't actually let students do what they're capable of doing or push a boundary or go anywhere. They literally keep a thumb on you like that. I quit the program after that and I stopped caring where fortunately, when I was in high school and hopefully people have teachers that actually care that matter. I had art teachers that made the world of difference for me and a lot of other people. Yes, that was huge. And people write things off now in, you know, pre college things like shop, home ec, vocational art, engineering, drawing. Those are some of the most important things you can possibly have. But we got rid of all of those things to push college prep way.
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Tucker Carlson
More than, I don't know, third wave feminist literature. I don't know. Rethink what you just said and ask yourself, do I really mean. Do I mean what I said? Well, that I don't know that architectural draftsmanship is more important than say, the Color Purple by Alice Walker.
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Casey
You mean the things that actually make you contributing, functioning individual members society that.
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Tucker Carlson
Elevate beauty and truth over like garbage by some low iq unhappy chick.
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Casey
Yeah, they go into an academic vacuum that's not the real world. That's fueled by loans you can't default on whether there's going to be a job for you or not.
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Tucker Carlson
You know, I would say beneath your car design exterior lies a fairly incisive and bitter critique of the society, I think.
- [72:08]
Casey
And look around. I don't like liars. I don't like being lied to. And that goes culturally too.
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Tucker Carlson
I don't either. I completely agree. So how. I just have to be clear on this. How if there are other eccentric people out there who would like one of these vehicles that you've designed, how would they. Would you be willing to make them to order?
- [72:31]
Casey
Yeah, I could do that. You have to think about the structure of who wants to do what. You know, early adopters are usually people that can afford something. It's going to cost more than 20 grand.
- [72:39]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, yeah.
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Casey
When you're building something. But certainly that can be done. I could make lower production numbers and you could build something and a bit of a movement too, from the ground up.
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Tucker Carlson
Will it be cool to build it with a gas tank sufficient to get coast to coast or, you know, I'd be.
- [72:53]
Casey
It's very doable. And the other thing is I, you know, I like to do amateur race driving and vintage racing. So I like to make cars that are fast. And for me it's kind of fun. The idea to make things that get over 100 miles a gallon, that beat Dodge Vipers and Corvettes and Teslas, you know, that's what we did back with muscle cars.
- [73:10]
Tucker Carlson
So how do people find you if, like, if, if you made it this.
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Casey
Far in the interview, I'm shockingly easy to find.
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Tucker Carlson
You are.
- [73:15]
Casey
I said perhaps a little scary. So maybe find a nice method rather than I just look out the window one day and go.
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Tucker Carlson
So you're not giving your home address?
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Casey
Not at this moment.
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Tucker Carlson
But are you open to kind of custom builds?
- [73:27]
Casey
Of course I'm open to doing things. I mean, you know, I have a nice Enough life. I have a wife. I have a cute daughter. Nice neighborhood and neighbors and toys to play with. But there's more to life than that.
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Tucker Carlson
Can you find men to work for you? Of course.
- [73:42]
Casey
I've been mentoring college students for the last decade. Plus I call up half of them.
- [73:47]
Tucker Carlson
Gets to a larger question. I mean, the trades are not dead, correct?
- [73:51]
Casey
No, they're not dead. And they're vastly important right now. More people should be going into them. I know you wouldn't have all the.
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Tucker Carlson
Student debt, but in your life, if. If you all of a sudden got an order for 15 of these vehicles, could you find the people necessary?
- [74:03]
Casey
Yeah, I can put that together.
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Tucker Carlson
Wow. Okay.
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Casey
Well, even if there's something that I don't know, I'm gonna find it. Yes, like, you make it happen. But, you know, one man can't do everything by themselves. You know, if you. If you're building something and nobody wants it, well, that's a problem. You need to build something somebody wants. And if it requires a team of people coming together, whether that's with talents or resources or finances to do it, then you find a way.
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Tucker Carlson
Do you think if you started doing this, the government would jump on you?
- [74:32]
Casey
It depends on how you do it. It is a game. And to be honest, when I look at the car and what I've done with that or with the educational, nonprofit, or anything else in life, I look at how do I have the biggest positive impact I possibly can. And right now, the biggest impact with regard to the car is talking about it. So people do know what's possible. So hopefully maybe they kind of, you know, wake up for a second from the cell phone, look around and think that that's. That's a vastly important thing to do. So I think it has tremendous value there. But, you know, I want to build something. You know, I'm an America first kind of guy. Like, why in the heck are we not building these things here? Yeah, why we should. You know, I'll give you an example. I've been around the sun 43 times in my life. Right. When I was younger. And we're working the little town golf course. That's a family business. And a lot of the guys that golf at our golf course were blue collar. Everybody there's largely working class, old World War II vets, that sort of thing, right?
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, it's Toledo. Yeah.
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Casey
Yeah. Well, and that was even tiffin. But the point I'm making is if I'm, like, riding a motorcycle around Toledo or something, I'm like, nothing's changed. Nothing's changed in the last 50 years. There's people out here, they want to work, they want a job, they want a community. But what's going on out there in the world that doesn't allow people to have that anymore? And that. That's. That's what, frankly, ticks me off. And usually I get ticked off, and then I think and plan and do something.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, well, there's an instinctive hatred coming from our leaders for those kind of people.
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Casey
I know.
- [76:05]
Tucker Carlson
It's pretty obvious.
- [76:06]
Casey
I know.
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Tucker Carlson
Casey, I really appreciate you taking all this time. Amazing.
- [76:09]
Casey
Thank you.
- [76:09]
Tucker Carlson
And I'm going to order a vehicle from you.
- [76:11]
Casey
I appreciate it. It'd be fun.
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Tucker Carlson
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