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How Wall Street & the FBI Colluded to Destroy Trevor Milton After His Tech Threatened Big Oil
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Tucker Carlson
In a lifetime of listening to stories about innocent people wrongly prosecuted, I have never heard anything like what happened to Trevor Milton. You've got to watch this. You often hear the phrase miscarriage of justice. And it's. We had this pretty amazing dinner last night where you explained exactly what happened to you. And the details are so shocking that I just want to start this by saying I'm really excited for people to hear exactly what happened to you, because I think those of us who felt that, you know, this was the most just country in the world will have our, our preconceptions adjusted. You had a vehicle company. Tell us about the company. What did it do? What did you started it. What was the product? How did it work?
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Trevor Milton
Yeah. So Nikola. Nikola was a company I built out of my basement. And a quick pause there just for everybody. By the way, Tucker's dinners are awesome.
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Tucker Carlson
I don't make them.
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Trevor Milton
We came here, you know, last night, had dinner with him first. It was a. It was such an incredible time to just talk about anything. So thanks for having us over for dinner. I loved it and it allowed me to really get to know you too. So thanks. That was. Was really cool.
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Tucker Carlson
Thank you.
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Trevor Milton
Yeah, we. So Nicola Nikola was a company I built out of my basement. So true entrepreneur story. Literally right out of my basement in my house in Salt Lake City is where we started it. We grew it to the point where we are bursting at our seams inside of. In our basement. And our whole goal was, is to build a, you know, a clean emission truck. And it kind of morphed through the time. Like we started off as like a natural gas truck and then we moved it to a, to a hydrogen zero emission truck.
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Tucker Carlson
When you say truck, like pickup truck big.
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Trevor Milton
Semi truck big.
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Tucker Carlson
Okay. So the trucks that haul goods across the country.
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Trevor Milton
Yeah, exactly. The ones you see on the freeways hauling, you know, £80,000. That was our. Because it was the third, I think it was around the third largest polluting industry in America. So the whole point was, is to reduce, you know, the amount of the emissions and noise. And it was also the fact that electric powertrains are so efficient, I just loved them. I grew up on locomotives. My dad was managed the railroad when I was a kid. So I grew up on locomotives. And the whole idea was to build a locomotive semi truck that was like.
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Tucker Carlson
My people may not know that many locomotives are electric.
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Trevor Milton
They all are. All their. Their entire powertrain's electric. They have a diesel generator that powers the electric motors. But you, you for the torque and the power you have to have the electric motors.
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Tucker Carlson
It's, it's. We, we did a video last summer on the cyber truck and we hauled 8, 000 pounds of dirt in the thing. And if you've ever hauled anything in a truck, you know you can feel the engine strain when you're an electric vehicle. And I'm pretty opposed to electric vehicles generally but for hauling stuff.
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Trevor Milton
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
It's beyond the difference is just crazy.
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Trevor Milton
One of the best parts is the, is the ability to recapture all the energy. That's what I love the most about electric powertrains is that like when you go to hit your brakes rather than wearing brake pads down, what happens is those motors go into, go into reverse and they're able to absorb all that. They become a generator and they start outputting. So say like the power, The Cybertruck's like 400. I don't know if it's a 400800 volt platform. I think it's 400 volt. But anyways what happens is instead of using 400 volts, now you're charging 400 volts into your batteries. And so with big semi trucks it makes a huge difference. So I live part of my life up in kind of the Utah, Wyoming area and there's a part of these pass that goes from Park City down to Salt Lake.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Trevor Milton
Imagine if you have an 800 or an 80,000 pound load. You're charging your battery all the way from the top of Park City all, all the way to the bottom. You're going to have a battery that's 20, 30% charged. More when you get to the bottom.
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Tucker Carlson
Just from breaking.
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Trevor Milton
Just from exactly regeneration. So you're, you're not even breaking. You never use your brakes. And that's what's so cool about electric vehicle. Like really what it is. The instant torque and the ability to recover all the lost energy. And that's just something you can't get anywhere else.
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Tucker Carlson
Except for that I, I strongly agree. Just as an engineering matter, it's, it's incredible. So you build this company, it starts electric and then you go into hydrogen. Can you give us the non complicated one minute explanation of what that means? What's a hydrogen motor?
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Trevor Milton
Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the atmosphere. It's the only energy that is, that can never be depleted. So there's a reason why I love hydrogen is that it comes from water you can split. There's, you know, it comes from water, you're able to split it. It's also in the atmosphere. H2O H2O hydrogen. Exactly. Two parts to. Exactly. So what in how this work works is. How this works is the hydrogen is stored in you. You separate it from the water, you store it, and the hydrogen is then passed through a membrane which creates electricity. That electricity is captured through these membranes and delivered to the, to the batteries of the vehicle. Now, there's inefficiencies with hydrogen, but there's also inefficiencies with electricity on the grid. So if you produce hydrogen on site, it can be as efficient or, or better efficiency than electricity itself. So when a lot of people plug in their, their, their cars, they're like, oh my, you know, it's, they talk about the efficiency of an electric vehicle, like 97% or 92%. Well, that's great, but it's actually not really that. It's, it's. Let's talk about where was that power generated from?
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
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Trevor Milton
It was generated.
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Tucker Carlson
How did it get there?
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Trevor Milton
From a solar farm, okay, of 22% efficiency or less, and then transmission lines that take you 800 miles to your home through transformers, you've lost another 20, 30% of efficiency over all that entire lifeline if you factor in how much loss actually happens on a grid and through transformers and transformers into your home and all this stuff. And so realistically, like, if you look at that, the numbers can actually be worse than hydrogen, but people don't want to believe it. They're like, oh, my car's 90, 92% or 97% efficient once it, once the.
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Tucker Carlson
Electricity reaches your vehicle.
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Trevor Milton
Once it reach your vehicle. So with hydrogen, the point, the point is, is that you're producing hydrogen's so difficult to say transport, it's not extremely difficult, but it's, it's harder than electricity to transport. So what you do is you, you produce it on site. So you're saving all that efficiency, say from like hydroelectricity or whatever. Right? But the whole point is, is that hydrogen can be used over and over and over again. And you don't have to mine any mountains. You don't have to, you don't have to. You know, there's no other elements other than just water and elect water and electricity. That's it. To produce hydrogen. So there's good and bad about hydrogen. It does not fix every application. And I've always told people, like, I think that like electric vehicles on a car level make much more sense, but hydrogen on a heavy duty level makes more sense. So hydrogen for semi trucks, for trains, for, for the maritime, the, the marine industry, the maritime industry for Ships for aviation. That's where hydrogen makes all the, all this.
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Tucker Carlson
How expensive is it?
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Trevor Milton
It's not that expensive actually to produce it. You, we call it. You move the decimals. So let's say that your cost of energy is 2 cents a kilowatt hour. Hour. Okay. So let's just say you're or 2 cents a kilowatt. Your hydrogen is $2 a kilogram. So it's actually really cheap. And a kilogram is actually about a kilogram on a, on a, is pretty equivalent to if you were to think about like a, a, a gallon of diesel. It's very similar kind of on energy level. Like if how far a vehicle can go, that's kind of how we it. There's a lot of factors into that. So it's not an exact science. But the point is, is that to make it easy is a kilogram of kilogram of hydrogen is going to get, is going to be very similar to like you're going to cost. Compare it to a gallon of diesel.
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Tucker Carlson
So just a couple dumb questions. I, I have a hydrogen powered truck. How do I fill it up?
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Trevor Milton
You can't right now. And that's a problem. So that's what Nikola was all about, was the chicken and the egg. The idea around Nikola, the reason why it went parabolic was it was not just building hydrogen trucks, it was actually supplying the, the egg too. So it's like a cell phone, your cell phone is worthless without the tower. So there, everyone's like, oh, you know, hydrogen, there's no, there's no infrastructure. It's stupid. It's going to cost 100 billion to develop infrastructure. Well, they spent, you know, hundreds of billions on cell phone towers. Who cares? Infrastructure is like, you know, it's, it usually sticks around for 50 to 100 years.
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Tucker Carlson
Spent over a trillion dollars on the Iraq war.
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Trevor Milton
There you go.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, got a lot out of it.
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Trevor Milton
We didn't even get our airplanes back. They left them over there.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, it's now controlled by Iran. So yeah, big win. Okay, so you were in the business not just to building the trucks, but of building the infrastructure to fuel the trucks.
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Trevor Milton
It was, that was the whole reason of Nikola. It was really an energy play. The point was, is to displace the oil companies. That was my, that was my goal and my dream was to, it was to either partner with or displace the oil companies entirely. And I look, I have no problem with, with diesel. I think it's one of the greatest things Americans America's ever found was diesel. It, it Powers everything it powers. I mean you have diesel, literally you have like, you have this, it touches your life probably a hundred times a day. I mean even a piece of plastic has, you know, has petroleum in it. Right? There's everything about diesel was, it's the most efficient way of moving American goods for over 100 years. You know, like, it's just the greatest thing America's ever seen. But there's also ways you can have both in this world. And that was my, my goal was, is to, was to become a, or like essentially as powerful or as big as like an oil company, but not doing oil, but doing hydrogen. And that was my goal. That was really the idea was to, is to eliminate the emissions on the road, become an energy conglomerate and provide energy that's a residual income every month in your life. And that's what I, that's, that was.
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Tucker Carlson
What is hydrogen produced at plants? I want to produce hydrogen to power a fleet of trucks. Where do I produce it?
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Trevor Milton
Yeah, you would have a plant that you would build and it would be done. There's two different ways of doing it. Through a proton exchange membrane. They call them PEMs or through electrolysis. So those are the two main methods. And even like Chevron right now produces hydrogen. But it's like 20 something dollars a kilogram. Well that's in that, that equates to $20 a gallon of diesel. So you'll never compete. The point of hydrogen is, is what you have to do is build it on site. So very similar to data centers. We were talking about data centers last night. The amount of energy that they're consuming for AI and so what do they do they go build them on right next to the, what do they do? They build them next to the nuclear plant now?
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Tucker Carlson
No, of course.
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Trevor Milton
So it's the same thing with hydrogen. The only like we, we had, we had the nuclear plant in Arizona was quoting U.S. energy under 2 cents a, a kilowatt hour at the time. So that they can make it for a penny and a quarter. A nuclear plant can. So what you're talking about is, you're talking about if it's 2 cents a kilowatt hour, you're talking about, I'm sorry, you know, 2 cents a kilowatt, you're essentially, you're essentially producing hydrogen at about, you're producing hydrogen about $2 a kilogram and at that point you're half the cost of diesel. It's game over. The entire world would, everything would go hydrogen and we were on the verge of that. And then that's when the forces that be came after us and decided to completely destroy us. It was a, it was a most wild event.
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Tucker Carlson
A lot of energy to produce hydrogen ton.
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Trevor Milton
But it's, but it's okay because we have more energy than we know what to do with it realistically. We do because for instance, the grid can only handle so much energy. And so if you look at California, California actually pay you to take their energy at parts of the day because you have too much of it from solar. Solar is fantastic in the west coast and even in some other areas. But the problem is, is the sun comes out, it loads the whole grid full of energy and then they have to start dumping it. So what one great thing about hydrogen is is that you can buffer the grid. You can say send anything you want to the grid doesn't matter because any excess we can produce hydrogen and you can suck out hundreds of megawatts of energy from the grid, producing hydrogen and storing it and then you can store it liquid as well and then you can transport it from there. And that was the whole idea of hydrogen. It's, it's not a one size fits all, but it's a solution to the major problems we have in America.
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Tucker Carlson
How dangerous is it to transport hydrogen?
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Trevor Milton
Not dangerous at all to transport it. Most of the time they'll transport it in liquid form and that's the best way to transport it. And it's very inexpensive to liquefy. It's about 50 cents a kilo a kilogram. So if you're $2 a kilogram and you can liquefy it for 50 cents, now you're 250 a kilogram and you can, you can move that anywhere in America at, at 8 to 16,000 kilograms at a time, just like an oil tanker is.
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Tucker Carlson
And it's as not more dangerous than an oil tanker.
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Trevor Milton
It's, it's more, I would say it's more dangerous but it's, it's nothing different than like transporting helium or, or any other gas like natural gas. Like you see, no one knows that natural gas is being transported everywhere all the time. And it's extremely volatile. Hydrogens. Hydrogen. The reason why hydrogen can be a little bit dangerous is that the molecule is so tiny. It's the smallest molecule in the, and you know, out there. So it gets, the fittings have to be designed perfectly, the lines have to be inspected all the time. But one great thing about hydrogen is, is it's, is how light it is. So if you were to have an accident or something like that, it just goes straight into the atmosphere because of how light it is. Unlike propane, where it settles.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes.
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Trevor Milton
The real dangerous stuff is propane. That's like. Because it settles below the air and any sparkle just. I mean, I mean, everyone doesn't even know that. I mean, they have a propane tank next to almost everyone's house in a lot of rural areas in America. Oh, yeah, that thing we.
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Tucker Carlson
We do right here. Yeah, Yeah.
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Trevor Milton
I had. I had eight of them at my cabin. So you have like eight. Eight 1,000 gallon propane tanks buried. Imagine if that went off. It would be. There'd be nothing left of like an acre lot or 5 acre lot.
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Tucker Carlson
I have a lot of propane tanks and I never think about it at all.
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Trevor Milton
So hydrogen is way safer than propane.
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Tucker Carlson
In fact, I always take my matches and light them off the propane tanks.
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Trevor Milton
Do you?
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Tucker Carlson
No. Just kidding. No, but your point is a good one. I mean, people who live, you know, far from anyone in rural America has a lot of propane around a lot.
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Trevor Milton
Anything new scares people until they realize it's not dangerous.
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Tucker Carlson
So it's not directly connected to the hydrogen bomb. It's not the same as the hydrogen bomb.
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Trevor Milton
No philosophy is similar, but like a little bit different.
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Tucker Carlson
Just kidding. Okay, so you build this company. How does it do?
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Trevor Milton
It does fantastic. For a long, long time we took this thing. We. We developed. Our first prototype was called the Nikola one. It was our very first prototype truck. Truck. Semi truck. We unveiled it in 2019.
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Tucker Carlson
Where'd you build it?
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Trevor Milton
In Salt Lake City. Wow. At our facility. Yeah. It's really cool.
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Tucker Carlson
You built the truck at the facility?
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Trevor Milton
We did at the facility. Hundreds of photos of us assembling and it was all fabricated by our teams and people we hired to help us. Like, so, like the frame was ours, the suspension was, was. Was designed by our team and a group and outside engineering partners. But we own the IP on or co owned. It was just like, it was really cool. So like, you think about a Peterbilt or a Kenworth truck, right?
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Trevor Milton
That all. Taken them decades to design their trucks. We had an initial design of our truck that we built, so all the frame was ours, the suspension, how the cab, everything. It was a. It was not a pile of crap, but it was a first prototype. It was like, it was rugged. I mean, so you didn't just take.
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Tucker Carlson
A Peterbilt and throw your logo.
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Trevor Milton
No, no, no. It was entirely from ground up. ARC truck. It was beautiful, but it was like it, you know, it wasn't ready for production. It was a prototype and all the parts, this is where the world didn't know, like the whole. And I'm going to tell you a little later about like, you know, how the short sellers came after us and the government did. But what they don't know is that truck was actually real and it functioned. And every, they sold this huge lie that this truck was fake, but it was really real. So let's go through that. Like, the suspension was real, the airlines, the air rides system was real. The entire frame system was real. The cab was real, the power steering was real, the batteries were real. We had the first 800 volt battery on a, on a, on a semi truck that I knew of in the world. And we tested it, we Tested the battery, 800 volts. It worked. Everything was fine. So the axles were real, the, the case was real. We had the rotors and stators and gears. Everything was real. All this stuff was real in this truck. And what's crazy is when, you know, later on we ended up doing a commercial and we're like, oh, yeah, go ahead and use it for commercial, no problem. You know, you see like, the Chevy Camaro turning into Bumblebee on the Transformers. It's like, you don't think that GM's defrauding everyone because the Camaro becomes Bumblebee. You're like, it's a, it's a, it's a commercial or it's a, or it's a, you know, a movie, who cares is what it's used for? I was like, yeah, go ahead and use it. Who cares? So they used our truck in a commercial and they rolled it down a hill. All the parts worked on it. Could have powered itself if we wanted to. Probably would have taken a month's worth of work to make sure it was safe enough to maybe two months to make sure it was safe enough to drive on all on its own. But the truck functioned. It was real. And this is the, this was the lie that destroyed my life. This was the moment that destroyed my life. Because later on, the short sellers sold it to the government that this truck was fake and it never worked. And that message was so sexy, that this truck was rolling down the hill, that no one cared about the facts. They cared about this headline, Nikola rolls a truck down a hill. And that's what ended up. That's what ended up, you know, allowing these people, all these evil people to destroy the company, destroy me, make hundreds of millions of dollars in profit, and the government to indict me was this Big fat lie by the short sellers of the truck didn't function.
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Tucker Carlson
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Trevor Milton
So a short seller is a person or a fund that actively bets against you that your stock is going to collapse. So unlike a regular investor that buys shares and they hope that the stock goes up, short sellers buy shares and they force it down. So it's like a. It should be, it should be completely illegal.
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Tucker Carlson
It should be well, it has been for most of the last hundred years from I think the Depression until right before the last financial crisis. There was something called the uptick rule which prevented short sellers from selling when the stock was in decline. I think that's correct.
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Trevor Milton
I don't know.
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Tucker Carlson
It's been heavily regulated. It's banned in a lot of countries. It's so clearly immoral and bad for a country and for markets that I don't exactly know why we have it, but we've had it since 2007. But anyway. But you're saying that a short seller, as distinct from an investor makes money on failure.
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Trevor Milton
Oh, and not just failure, but forcing failure. So an investor invests based and then they hope it goes well. They, they go out and they, you know, they, they hope it goes well. They hope it does. You say you invest in, in, in Tesla or somebody else, whatever. You're hoping that they, that they come out and they deliver on their products. Right. You hope that they do good and it goes up and you make money and everybody makes money. A short seller is different because they don't just down, they force it down. This is where the, this is where it gets really crazy in the story. This is crazy. It's never been told before. I've never gone through this.
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Tucker Carlson
Explain how a short seller, this disreputable evil should be illegal brand of anti investment, how they're working with the US Government, the doj, like how could that be? How does that work?
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Trevor Milton
This is where the, the Department of Justice has just gone so far off the rails and it was covered up for a long time. No one knew about it in my trial. This stuff got exposed. So you can, it's actually available. It's not like a, someone doesn't have to take me my word for it, but we can, it's easily available through the, through the, anyone can ask for a FOIA on it. Anyone can look at all the materials that was submitted in my trial. What was really crazy is that the short sellers were building a fake report on me and the company prior to us going public and their entire goal was, okay, the SPAC is going to go crazy. We went public via spac, It's a special acquisition company. They knew it was going to go up and what they wanted to do was then force it down and that's where they make their money. So what they were doing is they were working with the Department of Justice. They were actually communicating with the Department of Justice prior to releasing the report, which to me is mind boggling.
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Tucker Carlson
What is A short selling report.
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Trevor Milton
Short selling report is a. Is normally a salacious and false report for the most part. So what they'll do is they'll mix in 5% truth and 95% lies to just scare the market. It's always some companies, look, there are some bad ones and they've. And like everything, a short seller has gotten it right on a few companies. But majority of what they attack is all complete bull crap. It's just their interpretation to make a company look bad.
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Tucker Carlson
But a short selling report is like a magazine piece. It's like a hit. What we used to call a hit piece against a company. Like this company is bad, fraud, fraudulent for these reasons.
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Trevor Milton
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
And they do research on you.
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Trevor Milton
They do and they do. They pay an enormous amount of money to employees so they get inside information that a lot of time is slanted because they promise the employees money. So they.
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Tucker Carlson
Wait, what?
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Trevor Milton
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
So if I go to your employees and pay them for incident information on your company and then invest in the company, I go to prison because that's called inside trading. Yes, but if I go and pay your employees for bad information and bet against your company, that's legal.
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Trevor Milton
It's still inside. It's still inside trading.
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Tucker Carlson
But yes, it is.
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Trevor Milton
The gov. But the prosecutors looked the other way. We actually presented them.
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Tucker Carlson
Wait, is that really real?
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Trevor Milton
It's real. So look, they actually.
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Tucker Carlson
Martha Stewart went to prison.
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Trevor Milton
Yes. This is the, this is why it's so I get so angry is we presented the Department of Justice the evidence on, on Hindenburg's essentially insider trading.
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Tucker Carlson
Tell us what Hindenburg is.
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Trevor Milton
Hindenburg was a short seller group that attacked us, that attacked Inikola and me. Primarily me, but Nikola.
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Tucker Carlson
And it's run by a guy named.
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Trevor Milton
Nate Anderson who is a, who is the head of Hindenburg Research. And his entire goal was is to burn a company to take out an insurance policy, burn the company to the ground, call the cops on you, and then collect on the insurance policy.
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Tucker Carlson
So Nate Anderson, I just looked him up on the Internet. Never heard of him. This is not my world. But there's like nothing on the guy at all. He was like 39 years old, no real track record as an investor. He was an ambulance driver in Israel for a while. Not clearly graduated from college. There's like no information on the guy. And all of a sudden he winds up as this like major player in the American economy running this short selling group called Hindenburg, which just disbanded pretty recently.
- [26:43]
Trevor Milton
Barely just disbanded completely.
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Tucker Carlson
Okay.
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Trevor Milton
Yeah, ran away.
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Tucker Carlson
So Nate Anderson produces a report Attacking you. A hit piece on you designed to drive your share price down because he's bet against your share price as a short seller.
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Trevor Milton
Yeah. The weird part about this. This is so crazy, the short. That the short sellers you like essentially commit this. I'm going to try to explain this easy to the public, but this is. This will just get your blood boiling. Without the Department of Justice involvement, the short would never work. Because your stock would, like, they would just come out with some report and people be like, whatever, that's stupid. Like, it's not true. The trucks are obviously real. It turned out that Nate Anderson was communicating directly with the Department of Justice prior to releasing the report, which means what he was doing is he was telling the Department of Justice that there was this fraud that he was going to. He was going to launch that. He's launching this investigation. He's going to launch it, and he wanted to make sure that they had it in their hands and they were ready to look at it the second it hit. So what he does, he stokes the fire, gets them all angry at you, sells this big fraud.
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Tucker Carlson
Were they looking. Was DOJ looking at your company before?
- [27:54]
Trevor Milton
They were. Because of Nina? Because what we found out was because of what Hindenburg was doing. So Hindenburg was feeding this.
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Tucker Carlson
So. So the Southern District of New York, the federal prosecutors in New York had, as far as, you know, no intention of investigating or prosecuting you until they were approached by a short seller.
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Trevor Milton
That is our knowledge, yes.
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Tucker Carlson
It's fucking crazy, man. This is the craziest thing. That's insane.
- [28:18]
Trevor Milton
So this. The audience doesn't know this? The Feds showed up.
- [28:21]
Tucker Carlson
Sorry, I'm just like. I'm shocked.
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Trevor Milton
Yeah, it gets so much worse, too.
- [28:26]
Tucker Carlson
But let me just say, just to put a finer point on this, in the United States, you're not supposed to be prosecuted so some guy can profit from your prosecution. Is that justice?
- [28:39]
Trevor Milton
It's. It's not our country anymore. We've lost it. It's. It's. Look, it is. So if people. This is going to be fun today, because I get to tell you. I get, you know, tell us the entire thing, but what no one's ever heard. This is why I love coming on your platform, because it's so, so big and we can really explain the truth. The FBI. So Hindenburg started investigating us and. And filling the FBI with all these lies.
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Tucker Carlson
So just to be clear, you don't believe the Department of Justice had any plans to screw with you? Investigate, indict, bring you to trial, anything, until they were Approached by this group of short sellers who was like, hey, you should look into this. To this Trevor Milton.
- [29:22]
Trevor Milton
From what I know, that is a hundred percent accurate.
- [29:26]
Tucker Carlson
This is unbelievable.
- [29:29]
Trevor Milton
So Nate sent Nate. Nate gets the Department of Justice that originally he goes the Eastern District. That was what we hear. He goes to east, it lands in the Eastern District of New York's. Because he wanted New York. Because New York you can get like New York, you're done. If you get indicted in New York, you're over. You get indicted in Arizona, Utah, you're going to get a fair jury in New York, it's over. It's a guaranteed stamp, a conviction, 90 plus percent conviction rate. And the ones that get off are low level crimes they don't care about. So what happened was, is the Eastern District researched it. They sent the feds in, in, in Arizona out to our facility. They showed up at my chief engineer's home out of the blue. My. I get a call from my chief engineer and, and he's like, trevor, the FBI just showed up at my house. I'm like, for what? They said the truck was fake. And I'm like, well, the truck's not fake. So I mean, well, that's weird. I'm like, did you take him down to the facility? Go show it to him, I don't care. Have him call us. Have them call our attorneys. And they asked, he's like, yeah, they questioned me for like 10 minutes. They're like, hey, is the truck real? We know it's fake. And he's like, what are you talking about? It's real. Of course it's real. The truck's freaking real. It's at the facility. Why don't you come down, I'll show it to you. Feds wrapped up, essentially like made, you know, scared him. And then they went back and they're like, yeah, nothing's wrong. The trucks are real. So the feds originally, you know, they originally looked at and they said nothing's wrong. So he didn't get the response he wanted. They went back, they essentially declined anything. They're like, yeah, the company's real. It's all like, I don't know what these guys are even saying that the company's fake, this bull crap. So then he moves from this from essentially the Eastern District to the Southern District. Then he goes, then they go essentially to different prosecutors, people, they have better connections with her. And next thing you know, the Southern District opens up an investigation. So this is after the Eastern District already turned it down, looked at it and said, there's nothing wrong. So then the Southern District gets it and decides they want to take me down.
- [31:15]
Tucker Carlson
But this is all being shopped by a guy who's hoping to get rich from your failure.
- [31:20]
Trevor Milton
Exactly. Before, by the way, before we go.
- [31:23]
Tucker Carlson
Why is he not in jail?
- [31:26]
Trevor Milton
It's the question that I think ever. That's the question that should be answered.
- [31:31]
Tucker Carlson
I just, I.
- [31:34]
Trevor Milton
But it gets worse. It gets worse because I just didn't know.
- [31:36]
Tucker Carlson
I'm sorry to keep repeating myself. I just didn't know that this happened.
- [31:40]
Trevor Milton
Yeah, and it gets even worse because of what he does and how involved he is in making sure that the Southern District creates an indictment so his report is worthless without an indictment or an investigation by the Southern District. So then what happens is, is that he. He creates, you know, he creates this big report and he shares it with the government, and then he launches his. His report, his short. So he takes out a huge position that your stock's going to collapse. And from. According to the court, we have some information how much money he made. We don't have it all. We're going to get it through the. There's a big lawsuit going on right now. We'll find it all out. But we know that he made somewhere between thirty and a hundred million dollars off of this short.
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Tucker Carlson
Nate Anderson did Hindenburg.
- [32:24]
Trevor Milton
Nate Anderson. That's what we know it was. Was. We know he's somewhere between 30 and 100 million is what he made on this short from. From creating this fake report, getting the Department of Justice involved. And then when he launched it, what happens is then the, the next, literally that day or the next day or whatever it was, within a. Within 48 hours, the Department of Justice sends all their subpoenas to everybody, like our entire company. Us, our attorneys, me, everyone. Like scaring the. Out of everybody. And as a publicly traded company, you have to disclose it. So what happens when you disclose it? A Fed, an investigation by the Department of Justice, your stock does what?
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Tucker Carlson
And Nate Anderson and Hinderburg get rich.
- [33:04]
Trevor Milton
It's a guaranteed, absolute, guaranteed profit. Because without the Department of Justice, he makes no money. With them, he makes hundreds, potentially hundreds of millions of dollars.
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- [37:02]
Trevor Milton
No, I didn't even know it was happening, dude. I didn't know until way, way, way late, like almost probably two or three years later that who was all involved in it. Like, it took the. The investig. Like it took the. The subpoena power and everything else of when I was getting. When I got indicted to finally get in there and find all this out. And by then it was like, too late to do anything about it.
- [37:23]
Tucker Carlson
The company's gone.
- [37:25]
Trevor Milton
Company now is destroyed, and the Department of justice at fault. $34 billion destroyed by the Department of Justice.
- [37:33]
Tucker Carlson
So Nate Anderson could make a hundred million dollars.
- [37:36]
Trevor Milton
And. And the other people he's involved with made who knows how much money. So there's funds in. In Canada that were involved in this, and we still don't know who they all were that made massive. So what he did is he went out and told them too. So the insider trading was prolific. Like, he, like, you're not allowed to go tell people something that you have insider knowledge on and get them to trade on it. He did this. And this is why he shut his entire. This is why I believe. It's a belief. This is why I believe he shut his entire firm down and ran.
- [38:02]
Tucker Carlson
Where is he now?
- [38:03]
Trevor Milton
No idea. I mean, he's. Obviously, we're in the middle of a lawsuit, but, like, no idea.
- [38:06]
Tucker Carlson
So short sellers, as far as I know, don't have to disclosure. He does not specifically have to disclose disclose who his investors are. So there's a syndicate, presumably because that's typically the way. I don't know this, but I'm just guessing that there's a syndicate behind him. He has investors.
- [38:21]
Trevor Milton
Yep.
- [38:22]
Tucker Carlson
Correct.
- [38:22]
Trevor Milton
Yep.
- [38:25]
Tucker Carlson
And they're all profiting from this with insider information. And you know for a fact they paid members of your.
- [38:33]
Trevor Milton
So the chief, the government's chief witness was, was a, was a guy who made $600,000 on the short paid by Hindenburg, by the way. Paid by. Paid by Nate Anderson. So the government's chief witness in my trial, my federal trial, was on the stand, made $600,000 by making sure I got convicted and is set to make millions off of the so called fraudulent whistleblower group. This is the government's chief witness. I mean imagine like the guy on the stand, this guy named Paul Lackey.
- [39:04]
Tucker Carlson
But what was his role?
- [39:05]
Trevor Milton
Did he and his public. Because he was in the trial, that's why.
- [39:07]
Tucker Carlson
Did he work for the company?
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Trevor Milton
No. He had been to our facility one time in his life. He worked on the batteries. He was an outside guy. He worked on the batteries, had been to our facility one time in his life and he was the government's chief witness. And he was paid by Hindenburg 600,000 dol by Hindenburg. He's admitted that on the stand and the government and he would stood to make millions in the whistleblower groups. Who knows how much money he made from the fake fraudulent whistleblower group.
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Tucker Carlson
I'm gonna say this one more time. You, are you positive that Hindenburg paid your employees for information about your company?
- [39:36]
Trevor Milton
They paid contractors and outside other people for it? Yes. That were inside of our company that had come in? Yes. 100 for sure.
- [39:43]
Tucker Carlson
Without they use that information to trade.
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Trevor Milton
Yes. Like if someone wants to see go, go look at the trial transcript. It's public. If you want to go see, go search for Paul Lackey. And he admits he made $600,000 from Hindenburg. Hindenburg paid him $600,000 a portion of how much he would make if he, if he agreed to come in and create a story. And they did this and they did it to other people. There was other people that he promised money to too. There's probably a half a dozen people that I don't know the exact number. We're going to find out in the lawsuit. But there was somewhere around a half a dozen people that Nate Anderson paid for information and gave them a portion of all the profits. And these are the guys that were, that are part of this fake whistleblower group and that were Part of testifying against me at trial.
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Tucker Carlson
So justice in the United States and all civilized countries is administered by the state on behalf of the population, the whole population. So when the state indicts somebody, the state makes the claim that indicting this person, convicting and imprisoning this person protects the public. That's the point. Right? That's the point of justice. Protect the society.
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Trevor Milton
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
The idea that a private investor could be driving a prosecution in order to benefit from it makes a mockery of. The idea of justice is not on behalf of the public or protecting the public. It's on behalf of a commercial interest. They're trying to put you in prison in order to help someone get rich.
- [41:07]
Trevor Milton
If Pam Bondi looked into this right now, Nate would probably be in prison for 30 years. This is how corrupt. And not just him, there's other short sellers. And it scares me because, like, my.
- [41:17]
Tucker Carlson
Lifeman was a big short seller. I mean, there are a bunch of short. There are a lot of prominent people who've done a lot of short sales and gone on television to talk down share prices in order to benefit from the decline in share prices. And I don't understand why none of those people is ever prosecuted. And now I'm starting to understand that the system seems captive to those people. So you didn't, as you just said, you didn't know why this was happening for a couple of years. In those couple of years, what did the government do to you?
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Trevor Milton
Oh, my gosh, man. So the government, it was. It's really interesting. The government has it. What Americans don't know is the government has a playbook, and it's been developed by the CIA and other entities inside the government, and it's passed down into the Department of Justice. They have a very clear playbook of how to guarantee a conviction and destroy someone's life and break them. So it's. It's a. It's like the profilers, but psychological pro profiling. And what they do is they figure out how to do it. And they have a very clear playbook and it's taught and very disseminated within these groups to how to do it. The first thing you do is you separate the person from all their friends and colleagues. And it's the number one thing you have to do. You have to separate them. You have to turn everybody against each other. Yes, that's number one. So psychological warfare. So they come in and they threaten everybody differently. Individually, they separated. They don't care about the truth. They do not give a crap about the Truth. We show, we actually showed them the truth about major things that they were going after me for. And once they realized that they were wrong, they just pivoted to something else that didn't matter to indict me on. So this is. This. I, I want to stop at the psychological warfare real quick and I want to tell everyone in the audience right now. In my indictment, there was never, not one time they could not find, not $1 missing, ever. Not $1 misappropriated, ever. Not one filing incorrect, ever. There was no crime. There was no fraud. There was no, There was nothing. What did they hate me for? They came after me, indicted me specifically because of my tweets, my speech, how I explained the business plan. We were a pre revenue company going public, pre revenue. All of our filings disclosed that, that we were four years, two to four years out on revenue. And so I would speak about this business plan in present tense because why, because our over filings, which is what the government requires you to do, explain that we are two to four years out. So I was like, hey, this is how we're doing this. Okay, Well, I didn't realize it when you say this is how we're doing it, that somehow they could indict you because, like, oh, well, you haven't done it yet. Well, yeah, but this is the process of what we're doing. Like, I've explained that and they didn't care. They just indict you on it. They cut your words out. So it's speech. I want America to know why this is important, because I've had a lot of people ask me like, you know, Trevor, why did the government indict you? And you know, why did these guys take you down? And later I'll get into that. But the answer is the speech is what they indicted me for. The answer is even more scary. It was the. And we'll go into that later. It's the ability to, to prosecute speech is what, is what the, was what the Biden administration wanted was the ability to prosecute free speech. So I was the poster board for prosecuting free speech. But we're gonna. I'll get into that later and we'll actually really hit it hard. But the, the. What they do is they, they psychologically, what they do is they come in, they threaten everyone individually, they split you up. And so what they did is they scared everybody. The threatened. They actually told my. We have an email from where they called Kirkland, which was the attorney group, Kirkland Ellis, the prosecutors call Kirkland and Kirkland called the company because they want to keep these communications from ever getting private. This is how they do it. It's like a big sham. It's called, you know, privileged communications. Normally, it's good when you seek advice from your attorney, but the government uses it to circumvent the ability of disclosure. So what they did is they called Kirkland, Kirkland called the company and said, we need two people, two executives to testify against Trevor or they're going to get indicted. So what they do is they just say, executives, you're going to indict you, too, if you don't turn. If you don't just don't do whatever we say. They don't care about the truth. They just. They're just saying, this is what we're going to want and demand, and you're going to do it. So who showed up, the two executives to testify against me? And this was like. This is the crazy part. And by the way, I like. So this. That's step one. Divide. Divide everybody. Turn them against each other. Do you believe.
- [45:29]
Tucker Carlson
If I could ask you to pause. Do you believe the Department of Justice had an inappropriate relationship with Kirkland and Ellis?
- [45:37]
Trevor Milton
Personally, I do, but it's. It's extremely inappropriate. But I think that they are very good at what they do and cover up their tracks. It's very. Be very hard to.
- [45:47]
Tucker Carlson
You felt that Kirkland and Ellis was not straight, straightforward?
- [45:50]
Trevor Milton
Well, no. We found communications between Kirkland and Ellis and Nikola where they actually laid out nine steps on how to frame me. And this came from the Department of Justice because it was my exact. It was my exact indictment. So that we know that the department. The prosecutors, had to have been talking to Kirkland and Ellis because they gave them literally the blueprint on what their indictment was going to be. And these idiots put it in writing. Some. Some intern was actually writing it down. There was nine steps on how they were going to frame me step by step. They actually say, we're going to make up stories about Trevor, and this is what we need to say.
- [46:21]
Tucker Carlson
Were you being represented by that firm?
- [46:23]
Trevor Milton
I was at first, yeah. And then later I wasn't. So there's some really bad misconduct there that is like. But ultimately, like, there's. The hard part is, is they. It's almost impossible to. To get into privileged communications and sue people. And privilege. It's really, really difficult. It's not. Not much you can do about it.
- [46:40]
Tucker Carlson
How much did you pay Kirkland?
- [46:41]
Trevor Milton
The company paid Kirkland over $100 million.
- [46:45]
Tucker Carlson
Okay. So I'm Just trying to figure out who wins in this. So shareholders lost tens of billions of dollars. Your life was destroyed. You were convicted of a felony. And so the short seller won and the law firm won.
- [47:01]
Trevor Milton
So my legal fees were over 80 million personally. Personally and currently.
- [47:07]
Tucker Carlson
80 million.
- [47:08]
Trevor Milton
80 million. And you know why? Is because. Remember how I talked about psychological warfare? The next thing the government does is say you're going to turn them into an enemy combative, and you're not going to share anything. So then what happened is I was not privy to any of my communicate, any communications inside the company. I couldn't interview a single employee. I couldn't interview anyone in the company. I couldn't get documents from the company. They were obligated to turn your company for my company because I left at this time. And they. They were obligated to turn this over contractually, but they just said, what do you do? Sue us? Go ahead. It'll take you two years.
- [47:38]
Tucker Carlson
Kirkland said that to you?
- [47:39]
Trevor Milton
Well, that was. Yes, and essentially Nikola. But through Kirkland said, we're not sharing anything. Piss off. So then. Then they. They got Kirkland to essentially turn the company against me.
- [47:50]
Tucker Carlson
And wait, can I just to be clear on the fees here, because the fees are really substantial, and so they're. They're an incentive, clearly. So you paid Kirkland $80 million.
- [48:03]
Trevor Milton
I didn't pay Kirkland. I paid my attorneys. Separate attorneys. 80 million.
- [48:06]
Tucker Carlson
Okay. And Kirk made 100 million.
- [48:09]
Trevor Milton
The company paid Kirkland around over 100 million.
- [48:12]
Tucker Carlson
A hundred million dollars.
- [48:14]
Trevor Milton
So this is what they did is what the law firms do. They. They. Kirkland. Think about it. If Kirkland went into the Department of Justice and defended us and actually got this thing squashed, they might make 5 million. But if they create an indictment now, they create controversy. They get a bill at two to $3,000 an hour, they destroy the company, they create more problems. They defend every one of those fires. They create shareholder lawsuits. They defend those, too. And then they defend the company against a company with the Department of Justice through the indictment. So if they create chaos, they make a hundred million. If they, if they cre. If they prove innocence, they make five. Do you see it now?
- [48:50]
Tucker Carlson
I do see it. I'm not even a math guy, Trevor, and I see it.
- [48:56]
Trevor Milton
Yeah. Yeah. That's literally what happened. Over a hundred million dollars. What I've. What I've heard and through the lawsuits of what I've heard through the discovery, around over $100 million to. To. To Kirkland and their. And their attorneys.
- [49:10]
Tucker Carlson
I've known A lot of Kirkland attorneys. There's some nice ones, but most mostly just greasy, disgusting people.
- [49:17]
Trevor Milton
Honestly, I can tell you that there that law firms in New York are, are, are. Their single goal is to represent chaos because chaos creates imme.
- [49:30]
Tucker Carlson
Damn, this is dark.
- [49:34]
Trevor Milton
Our country is screwed.
- [49:38]
Tucker Carlson
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- [50:55]
Trevor Milton
Like, I didn't realize how deep this was, dude. I'm not. Look, I came from a farm town, man. I grew up in a small town called Kanab, Utah. Okay? My mom was. My mom was dying when I was 8 years old with cancer. We lived in Vegas. My dad's like, I got to get out of here. We gotta. My mom's like, I don't want to die in a city. Just don't. I want to get out of here. So we moved to a small town called Kanab, Utah. One of the best things for me was really tough. But I moved to the small town in Kanab. We were extremely poor. My dad or my mom, my, essentially my mom was dying. Our insurance company dropped us, refused to pay any of her medical bills. My dad sold everything he owned in his life to pay for her Medical bills and. And then tried to. He tried to figure out a way for her to have some sense of, like, happiness as she died. So we're in the small town in Kanab. I'm taking care of my mom. My dad's working in Las Vegas, three to four hours away, trying to find work. And we are broke beyond measure. Like, no food sometimes. I had no money, nothing. Like, I had to go out and work. I was working in the morning. I was delivering papers. I was, you know, go over to milk cows with some of my neighbors. I did whatever I could to. To make a few bucks mowing lawns after school, whatever I could. I was also in wrestling, and so I'd have to get up early and go to wrestling practice and. And sometimes I'd go to practice, you know, and I wasn't very good. I just wasn't good. It was interesting because through Hindenburg and all the media there, they use this guy in. Locally in Kanab, about me. They were like, oh, what do you think about Trevor? That he's like, oh, he's a loser. He lost every wrestling match he did. And he's like, he's a total loser. And it was really interesting.
- [52:31]
Tucker Carlson
Ask you. So Hindenburg went and interviewed your childhood friends.
- [52:36]
Trevor Milton
The. They sent media to do it because they got media to. Hindenburg works with massive media groups. One of them was. One of them was. Was Bloomberg. The other one was cnbc.
- [52:45]
Tucker Carlson
Hindenburg works with Bloomberg and cnbc.
- [52:48]
Trevor Milton
Yeah, they're tied. I mean, tied together. Almost tied completely together. What?
- [52:53]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, so the short seller uses, like, has a formal relationship with the media.
- [52:58]
Trevor Milton
Monster relationship. This is how they. This is how they get the short. They guarantee the collapse of a company. And this is. Dude, it's deep. Fucking deep.
- [53:05]
Tucker Carlson
How can a short seller use the media to destroy a company and then profit from it?
- [53:10]
Trevor Milton
They're best friends. Do they. They all. I. Where the. What happens and how they get like. I can't tell you the relationship of how. Of what happens behind the doors with these guys. All we know is there was an enormous amount of communication between Hindenburg, a guy named Bloomberg, Ben Foley, other guys, and also CNBC where they created a. A salacious TV episode to hit during my jury deliberations. We'll talk about that later. Actually. Actually, yeah, we have a massive billion dollar lawsuit against CNBC and Hindenburg for this. That just got the judge. We just cleared the motion to dismiss. The judge is like, I can't. Wow, it's this deep. It goes so deep. Dude, these guys are like, Straight up, it reminds me of a government entity, how deep the layers go. Like, these guys would. Had so much control with so many groups and they were working directly with the media. Man.
- [54:05]
Tucker Carlson
This story is. It's so much bigger than just you and your family. Like, this just says so much about how our financial system works in tandem with our justice system and our media establishment to make a few people rich while destroying so much like the country itself.
- [54:24]
Trevor Milton
It's. It's really difficult because the, the, the. The audience has only heard, oh, Nicola, roll the truck down a hill. They don't know the truth. The truck was actually real function, no problem. We just didn't turn it on for that scene. And, you know, could have easily. But here's the thing. What's important to know is like, why I did certain things. This is what is important. So as going back to Kanab, you know, So I mean, like the, the media went and interviewed in conjunction with the short seller groups. When interviewed, this guy and he's like, oh, Trevor's a loser. He lost every wrestling match. And it was interesting because later on someone was like, you know, and this kid, this kid was like, oh, yeah, he's a loser. He lost. This is why he. He probably stole from everyone. This is why he got indicted. Like, tied it to my wrestling matches. Right, okay, cool.
- [55:05]
Tucker Carlson
Your high school wrestling.
- [55:06]
Trevor Milton
My high school wrestling master.
- [55:07]
Tucker Carlson
And so when I went pretty deep on you, huh?
- [55:09]
Trevor Milton
Deep, deep. It was just fine.
- [55:11]
Tucker Carlson
They're interviewing your ninth grade classmates.
- [55:14]
Trevor Milton
Actually, earlier than that. It was like the seventh. It was like seventh and eighth grade. So by the way, I'm like, this is. This is kind of interesting because, like, this is one of the only areas that the short sellers got it right. I mean, I'm. It's kind of sad to say, but the answer is I did lose all my wrestling matches.
- [55:30]
Tucker Carlson
I'm sorry.
- [55:31]
Trevor Milton
I lost everyone, but they don't know the reason why. You know, it'd be. Sometimes it'd be two days that I hadn't eaten. You know, I was so. I. We had no money. We were broke. We lost everything. My dad sold his welder to pay for his money to get to Vegas to go work. I had no money. And it would be two days, sometimes three days. I wouldn't, I wouldn't eat and I would maybe grab like a handful of cereal from a neighbor and like, that was my food. Like. And it was just a tough time. It wasn't like that for all of our life. It was just that time for a few years, really bad and we lost everything. And like, I would go to wrestling matches and get my ass kicked. I mean, just bad. Just get beat and. But I didn't even have enough energy to even stand up. And so, like, I was like, yeah, I like. Some friends asked me like, is it true, Trevor, because you're a fighter? I can't believe you lose in wrestling because I'm a pretty scrappy guy. And. And I'm like, no, it's true. I lost everyone. Like, really? And I'm like, yeah, but I hadn't eaten for two days, dude. My. I was skin and bone. I had nothing on me. I was so exhausted, tired. My mom was dying, wasn't mentally there. I was like, yeah, I lost it. They use it. Like, what they do is they take these huge things and then they. They roll it into like this whole entire short sell report about how you're this big fraud. And, and that story is important because, like, my family means more to me than anything in life.
- [56:43]
Tucker Carlson
It just makes you not want to have a big company.
- [56:48]
Trevor Milton
There, there. I. I love the public system. I hate the corruption that the government allows to exist around. Allows people to actually be equal to other people. Like, think about it. Allows an entrepreneur to go from zero to, you know, to creating incredible wealth for their employees. The problem is, is the government really? The government figures out a way to destroy so many good people and profit the big people that their friends, like the big banks and. And other people that are like making a billion off of everyone they touc.
- [57:17]
Tucker Carlson
And then the law firms are making a hundred million dollars by encouraging chaos.
- [57:20]
Trevor Milton
Each one. Yeah. So it's important to know why I do things like, you know, everyone. One of the big lies that was set out was like, oh, Trevor. Trevor left the company because he was, you know, because, you know, when Hindenburg hit, I decided to step away from the company. What the public doesn't know is they see the headlines, the media, the lies, but they don't know the truth. You know, why. Why did I step away? What was the reason for that? My. I had told the board prior to. When we went public. I told the board I was going to retire in December. So just a few months later, I was like, look, guys, I've taken this company as far as I can. It's up to you guys to take it the rest of the way. And my wife is incredibly sick. She was. And this, this interview is amazing because the documentary comes out today finally. I've been working on this for almost a year. The documentary about Nicola and myself comes out is just. Is now live. And everyone can see it on YouTube. It just launched. So the handle is Trevor Milton, but the title of the documentary is Conviction or Conspiracy? And it's made to provoke the thought process. Is this guy. Was it a gigantic conspiracy or was it a true conviction? And part of the documentary is not favorable to me. I mean, come bash it kind of, you know, you got to show both sides. It's pretty. Pretty fair. And we wanted to make sure it was fair, but we also want to make sure the truth was out there. And. And so I had told the board, I said, look, I'm gonna. I'm gonna step aside and.
- [58:36]
Tucker Carlson
And your wife was sick?
- [58:37]
Trevor Milton
My wife was actually dying at the time. I thought she wasn't going to make it. She was a. A doctor had put the wrong person's blood plasma into my wife during a procedure.
- [58:46]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, gosh.
- [58:46]
Trevor Milton
Yeah. She developed all kinds of diseases, and I don't like to go over them publicly because it's not fair to her, but, like, she developed a lot of diseases from what happened there, and also autoimmune diseases. She developed diabetes instantly. She went from a very healthy woman to a type 1 and type 1, 1 1/2 diabetic to no longer being able to have children.
- [59:08]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, gosh.
- [59:09]
Trevor Milton
It was the worst thing you can imagine. And so I. She had been. She. She had taken a. A vac. She went to. We went to the emergency room. They gave her a. They gave her like, a. Some type of vaccine that was a. That was there for. They thought that maybe she got. They wanted to make sure. It was like, I don't know. I'm not a doctor, but they required it. When we went to the er and that put her into seizures. It just. It almost killed her. Dude, it was off. It was like, the most. So my wife was literally dying on her death, but couldn't get out of her bed. I was like. I was like, bathing her. She couldn't get out of bed, couldn't walk and all. And then all of a sudden, Hindenburg hits. And I'm like, I can't stay here and fight all this. When I got my company, they all promised me everything would be fine, that they would fight the government and they would expose the truth and work with me. And they got me to sign these papers, these lying scumbags. And I. They use my wife's death like. Or, like on a verge of death in order to get me to sign papers because they wanted power and greed and control.
- [60:04]
Tucker Carlson
Who's they? The law firm The.
- [60:06]
Trevor Milton
The executives in the law firm. Yeah, the law firm wanted it because they knew they couldn't control me, but they could control the other people because they were idiots. So they controlled them like little puppets. But they would never. They would have never gotten away with that with me. I would never allow it. So I decided to go help my wife. And then what does Hindenburg do? They go out and they're celebrating. Like, you see Trevor's. He's a criminal. He's a liar. He. He. He got thrown out of his company. He resigned because of the disgrace. Hindenburg's true. That's where, you know. So Hindenburg used the Department of Justice, the media, and. And my. My. My wife. My wife's sick illness to. In order to make sure that they profited 30 to $100 million or whatever.
- [60:43]
Tucker Carlson
Did you ever meet anyone from Hindenburg?
- [60:45]
Trevor Milton
No. I saw him. I saw him at trial. He came to my trial to rub it in my face. Like, he'd just sit in the. He'd sit in the.
- [60:50]
Tucker Carlson
Nate Anderson did.
- [60:51]
Trevor Milton
Yeah, they would. Like, they. They. There was times when he came through the. Came through the trial. I think it was just intimidation is what I believe.
- [60:58]
Tucker Carlson
I never called you? You had no contact?
- [61:01]
Trevor Milton
No, never. No. Never even wanted to know the truth. Never wanted to have any comment on anything. He used people. Like, one thing they did is they used a. They used, like, they would use recordings from people and then, like. And delete half them. So Bloomberg did a. Bloomberg did a. An interview with me, and they were like. He asked me. He's like, oh, was the truck. They're trying to get me, catch me in, like, some kind of lie or fraud. Oh, was the truck real? Did it. Or. Or did you guys just, you know, push it down the. You know, did you guys push it down the hill or. Was under its own power. And I said. I said, no, the truck was real, but we didn't use its own power. We just used it in a commercial, and it. We. We let it roll down the hill for a cinematic effect. And. And. And I told the truth. Right. So what is it? What does Bloomberg do? They come out with an article, and they cut out my answer. And the headline is, is that Trevor rolled the truck down the hill, but they cut my answer out. So in the criminal trial, we got the judge. Actually, one thing the judge did. Fair to me, one of the very few things was he actually forced Bloomberg to turn over the entire. The entire recording. And sure enough, there it was, me explaining that, like, oh, no, we never. We never you know, the truck wasn't in its own power. It was, it was, you know, we rolled it down the hill for cinematic effects and da da, da, da, da. So literally, Bloomberg deleted everything that showed I was innocent and hid it from the Department of Justice.
- [62:15]
Tucker Carlson
And Bloomberg was working with the short.
- [62:17]
Trevor Milton
Seller with, with an E. Anderson.
- [62:19]
Tucker Carlson
Do you think Bloomberg or CNBC took money from Nate Anderson?
- [62:23]
Trevor Milton
I don't know. Don't know. I, I, I, if I don't think the company would be, who knows? I don't know. I don't know. I, I do know that they're very close. They're like best friends. And Nate and some of these guys at Bloomberg and they work on every one of his projects. They literally every one of the short sales, they, you see the same guys disclosing, like, launching massive attacks against people. So it's a coordinated effect.
- [62:45]
Tucker Carlson
That is crazy.
- [62:47]
Trevor Milton
Yeah.
- [62:47]
Tucker Carlson
That Bloomberg allows that.
- [62:49]
Trevor Milton
Unbelievable. We're actually suing, we're suing to CNBC right now because of the fact that and, and Nate Anderson. But not the hard part with Bloomberg is, is there's nothing I can, I can't sue him for deleting part of the recording and withholding it. There's no crime for lying about someone, unfortunately. Like, it has to be a slander and it has to be like, premeditated, and it has to be slander.
- [63:09]
Tucker Carlson
Like, you have to prove that they knew it was a lie.
- [63:11]
Trevor Milton
It was, it was. We have it with cnbc easy. But we don't have it with, with, with, with Bloomberg. It's just, they just did really awful discussions.
- [63:18]
Tucker Carlson
Well, the fact that media organizations, business networks are working with short sellers who profit from attacking people is just, I mean, so prima facie corrupt that you don't, you don't need to make a case beyond that. Just that fact alone is disgraceful.
- [63:36]
Trevor Milton
Yeah.
- [63:37]
Tucker Carlson
And I didn't know it. As low an opinion as I have the US Media having spent a lifetime in it. You're still, you're still shocking me. My opinion's even lower. They are criminals. Okay, so back to the playbook that the US Government, in conjunction with the media and the short sellers ran on you. The first part of that you said was to separate you from everyone you knew and loved and trusted. And they did that.
- [64:03]
Trevor Milton
Yeah. And then they threatened the other guys. And then what they do from there is they get the company to, this is the third step is, is what they do is they, what they call control the environment. Control the environment is where they, where they come in and they, they Sanitize and filter every interview.
- [64:20]
Tucker Carlson
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- [64:53]
Trevor Milton
So these employees came to me afterwards and told me about. This is now after my trial. This is how I knew. So they threatened the employees. They said, you can't talk to Trevor. You'll get arrested, which is a lie. They could. They could talk to my attorneys, but the government threatened them. If they did, they would be turned on. So Kirkland would threaten the employees and essentially divide and conquer and then sit down and say, okay. They would interview an employee and they say, all right, you know, here's our. Here's our nine steps on how to frame Trevor. And they would go through it with the employee, and they would tell the employee what they wanted to hear. The employee's like, that's not accurate. They're like, no, okay, well, we're just going to move on. It is accurate, but we're going to move on. And then they would. And. But they wouldn't take notes of it. They wouldn't take notes of it. So when an employee would be like, oh, no, Trevor didn't like. Trevor told the chief legal counsel this, and the chief legal counsel signed off on this. And Kirkland was like, no, it's actually not how it happened, but it's okay. We're going to move on. And then they wouldn't write it down, and they would just move on. So, like, I had no idea an employee would actually tell. This is. Imagine this is Brady. Brady material means information that shows your innocent or exculpatory Kirkland. And the company would sanitize all of it. And then what they did is they would. They would come up with a plan that they come up with this report. And Kirkland came out with it. A whole report on me about how I was a fraud. They created this report fraudulently with all these partial employee comments where they sanitized everything out of it that showed I was innocent. And the government wanted it because they wanted to guarantee they would use that as part of their indictment. And use it as part of the SEC coming after me. This is crazy. The whole thing is planned.
- [66:20]
Tucker Carlson
It's just out bonkers. What kind of penalty were you facing at trial?
- [66:25]
Trevor Milton
64 years is what the government an ass. Sorry.
- [66:29]
Tucker Carlson
64 years in prison.
- [66:30]
Trevor Milton
64 years in prison I think is what the number was at the. How old were you is the time I was. I was like 40.
- [66:36]
Tucker Carlson
Right. So you'd be 104 when you be dead.
- [66:38]
Trevor Milton
Yeah. And you're facing a life in prison. Life in prison for. For. For tweeting, by the way. Remember, this is important to know. Even one day in prison is the worst thing you can do to human. It's innocent because it destroys their life, their freedom, their liberty, their family, their name. It's irreparable. Like I. There's probably been a quarter million negative articles written about me because they just follow what the government says. So a great example is at. When the gut. When the government came out, the US Attorney Audrey Strauss came out. And this is the crazy thing. They will. They convict me for misunderstanding my tweet. Right. Because they say it was more. It affected the market. So here's the crazy part. Audrey Strauss comes out, she stands in front of the whole world and she says, Trevor Milton is a liar. A fraud is where the. The rubber meets the pavement. He created a truck that was nothing more than a Ford. A Ford truck with. With. With his own badge on it. It wasn't even real. It was fake. Everything that was categorically 100% false. So the market collapses on equal. So this market manipulation, they should indict her like they indicted me because she actually caused massive market collapse when she had the resources at her hands to know that what she was saying was fake. But she didn't care. You know why she can say, oh, well, maybe. Maybe we misrepresented it a little bit. No, they destroyed the company. The. The Department of Justice destroyed $34 billion in value, and she is responsible. The U.S. attorney came out, literally lied to the entire market. Like it's provable. The Nikola, the pickup, one of the other trucks we did. The pickup truck was a Nikola truck, Nikola frame, Nikola E axle, Nikola battery that we were working on. All of our own suspension designs, our own exterior panels, everything. All that design was ours. We used like a couple pieces from other OEMs, which every OEM in the world does. And she came out and said it was literally just destroyed when that. When she came out and said that it. The whole entire company at that point was known as a Fraud.
- [68:29]
Tucker Carlson
It's one of the wildest interviews I've ever done, and I hope people understand the importance of it, because what it shows is that. That there's a shocking level of coordination between major institutions in our society that are not supposed to be coordinating with each other, and that it's on behalf of what is, in my view, a criminal enterprise. Short selling.
- [68:51]
Trevor Milton
Here's where it gets really like, okay, so now we've had all the. I agree. And now we've had all this fun talking about this. And here's like, the. Here's the cherry on top. Here's the cherry on top. This just shows you how corrupt it is. So I didn't know this was going down. This is completely. I did not know this was going down in the background. Okay? So after everything I'm telling you, I'm sitting there, I get a call from my attorney, and he says, trevor, I need you to answer me something honestly, and if you lie to me, I'll never represent you. You need to be 100 truthful to me right now. And I'm like, what? I've never lied to you. What are you talking about? Why would you even phrase it that way? What's. What's going on, dude? What the hell else is going on that I don't know about? And he says, trevor, are you a Russian asset?
- [69:42]
Tucker Carlson
I thought you were, like, a Mormon kid from Kanab, Utah.
- [69:45]
Trevor Milton
I. I was a very innocent, naive Mormon kid from Kanab, Utah that had met. I had met one Russian in my lifetime up to that point, and she was a male lady. She was really nice, like, at the post office. Yeah, the post office. She worked for the post office. And are you a Russian asset? I had never been to Russia. I had never met a Russian in my life up to that point. And no big deal. I mean, there's probably lots of great people. I mean, it's probably good and bad just like every country. Yeah, I. I. And I was like, what the are you talking about? I'm sorry for the language. Sorry for the language, everyone. My job, I mean, I had no clue. I'm like, what are you talking about? They're like, did you hack Nate Anderson and the Department of Justice? What the are you talking about? I don't even know how to hack, dude. I'm not a hacker. Not a Russian asset, dude. I have to go to my engineers to ask them simple questions for. Because that's how I learn. Like, I don't know how to do it. Like, I'm not, like, the expert when it comes to like you get in super advanced chemical engineering. I'm not the expert. I have my engineers teach me. I don't know how to hack a government system. Good dude. So I was. This is. That was the line of questioning right up front. And I said, why? And they said, there's a meeting before the judge. The Department of Justice is alleging that you're a government Russian asset and that you've been hacking their systems and Nate Anderson and they want to, they essentially want to take you to jail. Like a pre. Pre trial. Like you want to just throw me in prison for this? I don't know what the you're talking about. He's like, you've never emailed anyone ever to get information from to like try to get into the system of Hindenburg or the United States government? No. No. You've never talked to anyone ever? No. You never asked someone to talk to someone else about it? No. Don't even know what the you're talking about. So guess what happened. Nate Anderson, before trial wanted to stoke the fear of the United States, get the government so mad at me that I have no ability to have a fair trial. Remember, they're profiting off of the failure of me every step of the way. So every month they would make another, however many millions of dollars. Millions of dollars. Millions. As your stock price, stock price declines, negative news comes out. They had to make sure that I was convicted. Their entire life and identity was on this. From what we hear, and I have to say this is only from what I know. I don't know all the details. I just know a lot of them. But from what I know, Nate Anderson reached out to his buddies in the Department of Justice, the prosecutors that he's been that he fed the report to and told them that some Russian asset was trying to hack him and the government and get information. And then it was me. And the Department of Justice fell for it hook, line and sinker. They go to the judge, they tell the judge and they set up a FBI sting. I've never told any. This is breaking here. An FBI sting in New York City. Supposedly I'm behind it. They're going to nab me and my Russian asset. They set it up. Nate Anderson or a lookalike. I heard it might. It was a look like it was a guy dressed up as Nate Anderson, like that. He was like in the FBI or like away or something. But they didn't want to risk his life. They got to protect him. He a personal lookalike show was there. The Russian this Russian person shows up, realizes it's not Nate or whatever, and takes off, hits an FBI vehicle, from what I hear. And by the way, this is all filmed. The FBI has it. These fuckers. Sorry, these people have it. I, I don't have access to it. I've seen, I've heard about it, and my attorneys have seen it. They fucking filmed this thing. They actually. Because they were going to use it to go to the judge and throw me in prison.
- [73:24]
Tucker Carlson
If Nate Anderson is texting federal prosecutors, that right there should trigger a criminal investigation.
- [73:29]
Trevor Milton
It should.
- [73:30]
Tucker Carlson
If that's true. I mean, I'm, if it's from you, if it's true.
- [73:33]
Trevor Milton
I, I, from what I know it is like that. That's the thing. That's where I have all the evidence. From what has been told to me, from my attorneys, from what I've seen. I was standing there one day when one of the prosecutors had to show me a message because they're for disclosure reasons. They literally had to show me their phone and say, hey, we just have to show you this message. Because it came into us. They had to show it. It's like, so this is how I know that. Like.
- [73:56]
Tucker Carlson
And what was the ma. Who's the message?
- [73:57]
Trevor Milton
It was, it was a message about me fleeing the country.
- [74:00]
Tucker Carlson
Who is it from?
- [74:01]
Trevor Milton
One of the, one of their, One of their who, Who? One of their friends that was involved in this whole scheme. And I couldn't tell you who it was. I didn't, I didn't have their, I couldn't write their number down in the research them. It was in the prosecutor's cell phone. Their cell phone. It's just, it's insane that, like, these guys have got.
- [74:17]
Tucker Carlson
So they, they meaning likely the short sellers were telling federal prosecutors that you were a flight risk in order to encourage them to put you in.
- [74:26]
Trevor Milton
And a Russian asset.
- [74:27]
Tucker Carlson
And a Russian asset.
- [74:28]
Trevor Milton
They wanted me in prison. They did not. They had to do it because they needed to make the judge think I was guilty. So remember, they had approached the, the judge sees all this. So the judge is thinking, I'm the biggest scum on earth. You know how it is. Like the liberal, like the very far left in New York. What do they hate more than anything? Russian assets. They, I mean, it was Trump 101. Trump's a Russian asset. They use that to stoke the anger to the judge, to my life and my, my trial, knowing that they're going to make another 10, 20, $30 million on it.
- [74:59]
Tucker Carlson
That is just crazy.
- [75:01]
Trevor Milton
I lost almost everything I have in my Life. Because of this. I lost 80 million in attorney fees, billions of dollars in losses in my, in my, on my stock, in, in innocent investors. Lost billions of dollars out there potentially in different ways, because of what the, because of the decline in the stock value, because of the department, the misconduct of the Department of Justice. And then they blamed it on me. And there's been 200, 000 articles out there about how I was the cause of this. And it now the truth gets out is why I'm so excited to finally think And I, I, and I use his name so sacredly because I'm a, I'm a religious person and I use this most, in the most sacred, most amazing way I ever can, in like, respectful and reverent way, like, thank my God for stepping in and, and allowing Donald Trump to, he, to, to see my story because he issued me a full and unconditional pardon days before the government was going to seize every asset I ever owned. And I, that's all. If it was not for Donald Trump, I would be destroyed. And it was the same people that came after him, came after me. And when he saw this, he was like, this is a huge abomination. I can't stand for it. I don't care what the articles say. I don't care what the, what the short seller narrative is. This is wrong. And I don't stand for it. And that's one thing I love about Donald Trump. He does not stand for something when he thinks it's wrong. He doesn't give a who was going to attack him. He knew there was going to be blowback. He didn't care. I don't care. I do what's right. This is, and he is a man, like, he has got a spine. He's a real man. He's a true man. He's not a cow. He's not. He literally stood up to the media. They said, why'd you pardon Trevor Milton? And because they were trying to, you know, get and like, make him look bad. And he said, he stood there and said, they destroyed five years of this man's life. Trevor did nothing wrong. They're evil people.
- [76:58]
Tucker Carlson
Yes.
- [76:59]
Trevor Milton
And that was his statement to the press live on the fly. And he, and that was, if it wasn't for Donald Trump, I'd be screwed. They had filed the to cease $690 million or something like that from me. They were days away from taking everything.
- [77:14]
Tucker Carlson
I was sending into prison and then.
- [77:15]
Trevor Milton
Sending me to prison just weeks or months later. I, I've been my goal in this life now has been to try to figure out a way to help Trump reform the criminal justice system. Because there's four or five things I could do, and I can lay them out real quick that will change the entire justice system. I think it's important to tell the world what it is. This would be. These would be like. Because, you know, you can go into thousands of things. I only care about four or five things because it'll. 80 to 90% of prosecutions wrong prosecutions would go away instantaneously. Number one is the. The Department of Justice should never allow. Be allowed to talk to anyone unless it's a recorded call. I totally agree. That's number one. They should never be allowed to talk to an attorney.
- [77:49]
Tucker Carlson
Cops have beat cops who are making 50 grand a year and risking their life every day in the worst places in the United States have to wear a chest camera. But FBI agents don't.
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Trevor Milton
No. So here's the problem. Here's the problem. They coerce and they lie and they destroy people and they destroy evidence. So the number one thing they should be is. Is every call, every personal visit, everything should be on camera.
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Tucker Carlson
Every interview.
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Trevor Milton
Every interview as well.
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Tucker Carlson
May I ask you a dumb question? Are you allowed to whip out your iPhone and record the interview?
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Trevor Milton
I believe you are. If. I believe you are. If you're being interviewed, that person is. But the person wouldn't know. The employee would never know that.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes.
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Trevor Milton
They're never told. So. But they should force the Department of Justice to do it so that way it's turned over in discovery. That. That should be part of their discovery obligations. Okay. Number one is every single interview or. Or communication with the. With any counsel, any. Any. In any attorney or anyone working on the case or instructed to work on the case, it should be a recorded call or video, number one. Number two is if you indict someone, they. The purse. The defendant should be able to choose the venue. This is a really important one because what they did is they. I had no connections to New York. We filed them.
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Tucker Carlson
You're not a native New Yorker.
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Trevor Milton
No, I've never. I didn't own a property. I had passed through New York on a flight one time overseas.
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Tucker Carlson
I've been to Kennedy Airport once.
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Trevor Milton
I was. I had been interviewed one time. One time early on about Neuqua in. In New York. And it was. Had nothing to do with the allegations the government claimed.
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Tucker Carlson
Media interview.
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Trevor Milton
Yeah. For media interview. So if you look at my whole history, everything the government alleged happened, happened in Arizona and Utah, not in New York. So we filed a motion with the judge, and we said, your honor, this is the wrong venue. I'm. I'm guaranteed by that, by the Constitution. It's actually one of the reasons why America exists is because they used to drag the founding fathers across, sometimes the ocean, sometimes into other cities and states, and they would prosecute them with people that hated them. There's one reason why our founding fathers created the venue clause, and that is. That was, for me, was one of the most. Was. Was very sacred.
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Tucker Carlson
May I ask, how did the case wind up in New York City if you had no connection to New York City?
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Trevor Milton
That's the whole scam.
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Tucker Carlson
Was the company chartered in New York City?
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Trevor Milton
Well, no, they said. Well, so the prosecutors claimed that it was because we were the. The. Were publicly traded on the New York stock exchange, that they could drag me to New York. So my con. Somehow the company's organization would bring my personal venue into the. Underneath the company, which is crazy. That doesn't happen. Number two is we. So they. We filed this motion with the judge, and we said, your honor, Trevor doesn't have any connections to New York. This shouldn't even be here. Should be in Arizona, Utah. They would never try it in Arizona, Utah, ever.
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Tucker Carlson
But because your stock was traded in New York.
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Trevor Milton
Yeah, but here's the fun.
- [80:29]
Tucker Carlson
Actually traded on the Internet.
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Trevor Milton
It's trait. Well, yeah, so they say it passes through his trade through New York. But, you know, the funny thing is, we told the judge, we're like, your honor, even that. Even that argument's wrong. And he says, why is that? Why is that? It's a New York stock exchange. Says, your honor, the servers are in New Jersey.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, there is no New York stock exchange anymore. I mean, this. The whole thing is stupid. That there are a bunch of guys in coats with slips of paper trading stocks. No, it's taking place digitally.
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Trevor Milton
Digitally. So what. What that means is that if you took away the venue clause in the constitution, then the. The rights that we've been given. The venue is one of the most powerful clauses ever given. And it was. It was made to prevent people from dragging people into other venues where they could get destroyed. So here's the important thing, though, real quick. The. The prosecutors claimed that because something passed through New York somehow digitally, that it allows him to prosecute me in New York. If that's the case, you might as well get rid of every vin. Every district in America. It should only be southern district because that allows them to pull anyone they want from California, from. From. From Portland, from Texas. And charge them in New York. Just because the Internet goes through New York or some kind of thing like that. That's the problem is it would. It would violate. It would destroy every venue in America.
- [81:37]
Tucker Carlson
So did you have to move to New York?
- [81:38]
Trevor Milton
I did.
- [81:39]
Tucker Carlson
You moved to New York?
- [81:41]
Trevor Milton
I had to move there. During the entire time in trial.
- [81:43]
Tucker Carlson
Like how long was that? How long were you new.
- [81:45]
Trevor Milton
I mean, you know, we, we had. We bought a house there for. For the whole. For the whole trial was awful. It was terrible. It was for the trial and we were there. You know, the trial took. I mean the pre trial and trial was over a couple years.
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Tucker Carlson
Should you move to New York for a couple years?
- [81:58]
Trevor Milton
No, I wasn't there the full time. I was still. I'd still go back and forth. But yeah, I was there for. I was there for a little over a year. I mean at least probably a year in and out all the time.
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Tucker Carlson
What did you think of the jury pool?
- [82:09]
Trevor Milton
That was hard. And that this is why the government tries people in New York. So the jury pool in. In my, in my trial was this is why they rubber stamp convictions in New York. This is how it works in. In Utah and Arizona. The jury would. The people actually feel like it's a. Like a very patriotic thing to serve on the jury and they want to make sure that no innocent person goes to prison. This is why they wouldn't try me in Arizona or Utah. They would. The prosecutors would have been laughed out of the courtroom and probably sanctioned by the judge for their conduct. But in New York, the judges cover for them. They can do whatever they want. There's never a prosecutor that's ever reprimanded for anything in New York ever. In Utah, just barely that. The chief justice in Utah called the SEC in, essentially told them that they had committed crimes. Shut down the entire SEC division in Utah over this because the SEC lied to the judge one time. The. The prosecutors lied to the judge hundreds of times. In my trial, the judge literally threw the entire criminal case out against a guy because the prosecutors misled the judge one time. They. Out there, they actually give a. About the rule of law in New York. They don't. So what do they do in New York? How does it work? They bring you in and they have this huge jury poll. New York is. Is the people in my jury pool ended up through process of attrition, which is guaranteed every time. Almost every one of them. None of them had. Very few of them had any type of job. Most of them were on government subsidies and welfare Actually, yeah, they. The. The people that did have jobs, like, there was one guy that came through that was a plumber, an electrician. And I was begging, I was like, please, like, stay on my journey.
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Tucker Carlson
They didn't have jobs or on welfare.
- [83:50]
Trevor Milton
Some of them. Some of them.
- [83:52]
Tucker Carlson
Not all the jury of your peers.
- [83:54]
Trevor Milton
Yeah. Yeah. So the. The. The one of the guys was like, was a. Was a. Was a small business guy. I'm like, oh, please, for the love being, stay on my jury. And he's like. And the prosecutor's like, your honor, this jury. This trial could take up to four months. The business guy's like, I can't be away from my business for four months. I'll lose it. I'm sorry, I can't be here. So the guy who's actually, like. Who's actually run a company that's like, would. Would be a peer. One person left. See other guys making. You know, the other people, they're making six, eight bucks an hour, ten bucks now. Whatever. Getting welfare. Getting welfare checks. Retired. Don't. Don't even work anymore. They're like really old people. We had. We had. We had a couple of them that slept through the whole trial. They're so old. They just slept. They didn't even. They weren't even awake. We. One of them was. And then what we found. The crazy part is, so during this void dire, you know they call it void dire where they. Where they interview the jurors. There's this one juror, and this juror had. She was a younger African American female. And most of my jury was, Was, was, was, was other races, they were not white. It was. Most of it was all. I think that might have only had one white person on our jury off to look, but it was almost all a different race, which is fine, but, you know, you would think normally, but in this situation, it wasn't. So this. This juror had enduring questionnaires. We asked a juror, do you have social media? No, I don't. Do you use social media? No, I don't. Do you. Where do you get your news from? I get it from YouTube. Okay. All right, cool. Sounds good. Any prior convictions? No. No. Okay, cool. Whatever. So there was nothing on her. And we asked the judge if we could research these jurors to make sure that the jurors weren't lying. She was like, yeah, no problem. You can research, you know, so we. The person said they never had social media. Never had. Do you have anything against rich people or white people that would. That would affect your Ability to be fair. No. No, your honor. Okay, so cool. We put her in a pool of, like, potentially just acceptable people because they didn't meet any qualifications to be disregarded or just. Just, you know, essentially thrown out. And so long story short is that we go into the. The trial. Most of my jury is.
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Tucker Carlson
She's on the jury.
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Trevor Milton
This. On the jury. There was. I had one good juror. I had one good juror, and it was. It was. It was a Hispanic lady, and she was awesome. She ultimately went along with the rest, but she was. She was actually. She was the only one that had any sense of. Of soul in her heart, in her that was like, hey, this might be wrong, guys. She was a really great woman, and I think she was bulldozed by everybody. She had. She. But I'll go through this. This African American girl lied to the judge, lied to us. My trial happens. I get convicted, and she goes out, she starts speaking to the jury. I mean, speaking to the media. We're like, what the. Like. And so she. She starts speaking to the media. She gets interviewed by the media, and. And the media is. The media asks her questions, and they're really weird. And we start researching her, and we find multiple social media accounts that she owned through investigative ways that she never disclosed to the. To the judge or us. And right before my trial, guess what her New year's resolution was? What? To abolish, quote, abolish the billionaire class, end of quote.
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Tucker Carlson
That's unbelievable.
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Trevor Milton
Her New year's resolution was to abolish the class of the human that she was on the trial for. Imagine this. Imagine if there was a trial with a young Hispanic kid or a young black kid, and there was a white supremacist on. On the trial, and his. And his New Year's resolution was to abolish the African American culture. Abolish class or abolish the Hispanic class. Can you imagine how quick that trial would be thrown out?
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Tucker Carlson
What? Did she express any racial views?
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Trevor Milton
Yeah, lots of stuff. Against white people, wealthy people. Everything was a. Everything was a class warfare against wealthy.
- [87:35]
Tucker Carlson
White people, like, explicitly against whites.
- [87:37]
Trevor Milton
Everyone except for Elon Musk, which was her. Which was her hero. So she was like, implant my brain with your neural link, Elon. Like, she was like a. She was an Elon lover.
- [87:48]
Tucker Carlson
Implant my brain with your neural link.
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Trevor Milton
That's what she said. She actually tweeted that?
- [87:54]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, she tweeted it, but she hates whites otherwise.
- [87:56]
Trevor Milton
She hates whites otherwise. I think it's because he's South African or something, but, like, the point is, she absolutely was like. Her whole thing was like, she served.
- [88:05]
Tucker Carlson
On the jury and voted for your convention.
- [88:06]
Trevor Milton
Not only served, she was the head of the. She took full control of the jury. She even admitted it. So he.
- [88:13]
Tucker Carlson
Why wasn't. Why wasn't the conviction thrown out on.
- [88:15]
Trevor Milton
The basis, oh, it even gets worse already. So one last thing. I'll say. So when she went out and interviewed the media, they were like. They're like, oh, why didn't you. You know, like, what about this, this and this? They asked her questions about something. She's like, well, we didn't want to have an alternate come in because we knew he'd be found innocent. She actually said that I would be.
- [88:32]
Tucker Carlson
Why didn't you flee the country? No, seriously.
- [88:38]
Trevor Milton
I wanted to.
- [88:39]
Tucker Carlson
I mean, this is a joke. Everything about this is fake. There's no reference point injustice here at all or truth. And I know it's your country and you love the country. I feel the same way. But, like, if you. You're sitting before a jury of racists who hate you for being white and rich and say so and lie, you're. You're gonna do life in prison.
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Trevor Milton
Life in prison. They asked for 64 years and so.
- [89:03]
Tucker Carlson
Did you consider fleeing the country?
- [89:05]
Trevor Milton
No, I never did. Mainly because, like, I. I grew up in a really small farm town. As I said, my dad was very patriotic, is still, but, like, we know the problems in the. In the government. We hope we can fix them. But the point was, is there's something very, very brave and very, like, patriotic and very, like, manly about standing up knowing you're going to be assassinated and looking them in your eye and just saying, you. That was my. My best thing I could do is look Adam and through the eyes. And I looked at the journey and I said, you know, one day you're going to stand before God and, oh, how the hell you're gonna pay? Because they're going to realize that they. That they like. So the one juror was like, oh, we didn't want him. We didn't want an alternate because they were going to exclude someone. They're like, we didn't want an alternate because he would have been found innocent. She's like, I couldn't stay. So I just decided we needed to have this done by 5pm so I could go home. So she, like, literally is just like, well, I have to be home by 5pm so we're going to convict, and we're not even look at the jury and start the stuff. We're just gonna let's just, let's just go home. And she, like, she was, she was bragging about convicting, convicting me, putting me in prison by 5pm and it was her lifelong goal. And then she went and bragged about it to the media because she wanted a big, she wanted a big payday. It was just sick, dude. It's sick. And I, and there's something about like, like I feel like, you know, God, like Christ, you know, if you believe in God, you know, allegedly, you know, or what they believe is that he died on a cross. He didn't die because he, he didn't, he didn't die on that cross because he had, I mean, because he was forced to. He did it willingly. And it's the greatest sign of a man is to look at, look at the people that are evil in their eye, why they, why they hurt them or murder them, and look them in the eye and just say, you don't know. And one day you will. And it'll be pain. The pain will be deep. And I can promise you, like, if God does exist when they meet their maker, the pain they caused me and the lies that they, what they did to me through race, through their hatred towards wealth and race and everything else, and whatever other reason, they will have to pay a price greater than what I paid over my five years of hell, because that's the only way you can truly atone for something is you have to pay for what you did and then God can forget about it. But their, their, their pain is going to be incredible. And, and I, I, I don't wish that on them, but the growth that's required requires that. And so they will have to go through it. And that's why I'm so afraid of ever doing anything wrong to anyone. That's why I give so much away. That's why I love. I, I give. So I gave 70 of my company away. The judge wouldn't let me talk about that at trial so they could say that I, somehow I was like, oh, I was lying. I was defrauding the, you know, defrauding shareholders because I, like, lied about something in a tweet when, oh, it was a misunderstanding, but like, they just didn't understand what, how I was explaining it. But if, if I was really trying to pump the stock and defraud people, wouldn't I have not given 70% of. No, I mean, I'm talking 10 billion plus dollars away. Why would I keep such a small amount? For me, why wouldn't I keep it all? No I gave it all away, but somehow I'm a fraud. It was just. It's just. It. It. It's. That's America, Tucker. That's where we're at now. And that's. This is the first time I've ever exposed it and first time I've ever come clean about, like, what really happened and what went down. And it's. It. And I'm just really great. I'm really proud of your wife.
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Tucker Carlson
Take this.
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Trevor Milton
Not well.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah. Yeah.
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Trevor Milton
I bet she still struggles to this day because with her. With her illnesses and sicknesses, stress is, like, the number one factor for diabetics and for. For autoimmune diseases. That. That's what. It flares up. The. The. The histamine reactions and everything. And her stress level, like, there was days where I thought we were both gonna probably just wake up. Like, God would just be kind to us and just let us, like, die in our sleep. Like, I was like, you know, that'd be the greatest way to go. I was like, you know, that'd be wonderful. Like, just wake up and I'm in heaven with her. That'd be rad. Like. Like, there's my heart hurt so bad and tore so hard. I was like, I can't. I could never imagine hurting. Like, I've come from a life of service. I lived in Brazil when I was a kid. I did a service mission in the favelas. I taught people English. I taught people about God. For a period. You know, for. For a period of time, I've given almost everything away to my employees. I gave everything away to other people. I. I never pass up a per. You can ask anyone you ever meet that knows me. I'll never pass anyone up on the street unless it's, like, a dangerous position where I won't stop and help a person. It's been my. It's who I was raised from the time I was a kid as a true patriot, as a lover, like, of just wanting to see people happy. I want to see. When I meet my maker, I want him to say, you know, Trevor, you stopped 23, 000 times in your life to help my. Help me help my. My children, the people that I. That I. That I made. And they were never grateful for it, but I am. And that's what I wanted. I wanted that feel. I wanted to know when I met my maker that I was like, you know what? I. I never passed someone up that needed help. And that's why I was so grateful for President Trump. He was the first person There was other people there that helped as well, but he was the first person that was, that was, that was publicly able to, you know, that was able to. Willing to stand up and do what's right, regardless of the consequence. And thank my God for President Donald Trump, because I'd be in prison, everything would be ripped away, my wife would probably be dead. And that's how evil these prosecutors are. And I hope they go to. I hope they hear this, and I hope they understand the damage they do to people because they have to meet their maker one day and they can't excuse it of like, oh, it's just my job. God doesn't care. If it was your job, was it your job to throw, you know, not comparing equals here, but was it your job to throw the Jews in the oven? He doesn't care if it's your job. He cares. What. You cannot excuse your behavior on your job. And I'm telling you right now, dude, like, I'm, I'm halfway through my life right now, and I don't think America has much more and much more in the future. I think we got maybe 10 years left in us, probably. So if I really think about it, I probably have 10 years left in my life because I think we're going to end up in a world of hurt and most of us are going to be. Most of us are going to be affected negatively. And I look at it, I'm like, I'm pretty close to meeting my maker right now, and. And I'm. I'm really glad. I'm really proud. Like, I can look at my maker in the eyes and I can say, I, I, like, I did nothing but love people and help them and give everything I could. And I never lied. I never defrauded these guys, these short sellers and the prosecutors. They all just lied and they just. And they just spread it. And they have their power. They have layers, like nine layers just deep everywhere. And they back it up because, oh, well, the media said this. Oh, well, Bloomberg said this. Oh, CNBC said this. And the thing I didn't tell you about, and I kind of missed it in that timeline was is that Hindenburg worked with a group called, with NCNBC called American Greed, and they launched this massive.
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Tucker Carlson
American Greed's a show.
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Trevor Milton
A show, yeah. Massive, disgusting show about me that was all lies. The entire thing was lies. They launched it during my jury deliberation to guarantee. So if you think about this, he's.
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Tucker Carlson
Wait, are you sure that Nate Anderson and Hindenburg work with CNBC on that show?
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Trevor Milton
100. It's actually, it's in all the, the lawsuit proven to judge just, it just passed a motion to dismiss.
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Tucker Carlson
How could CNBC work with a short seller to defame or attack in any case, a company the short seller was profiting from the decline of.
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Trevor Milton
During my jury deliberations, knowing the jury members would go home because they're all social media watchers. They all watch this. Every show that comes out, people watch. They're all bingers watch it too. Think about it. During the jury deliberations. And it's, it's a hundred percent factual that they, that, that Hindenburg was working with, with American greed. It's part of the big lawsuits, a billion dollar lawsuit against them.
- [96:31]
Tucker Carlson
I hope you put them under.
- [96:33]
Trevor Milton
I hope I, I hope they have to pay. I don't know if the court systems are honorable enough to make them pay, but I hope they do. It's bad. I mean, the best thing would be is the Department of Justice to actually open a full investigation on the prosecutors, the process, what happened, Hindenburg, what they did, who they. Who, who was paying them money, who they, you know, did they trade on this information, which we know, which they, which we have high beliefs that they did. We know it well. I mean, obviously they traded on it. So if they did this, that would be the greatest, that would be the best thing that could happen to America is for them to actually restore trust in the justice system, to realize, you know what we're not going to stand for prosecutors around with, with short seller people committing crimes. We're not gonna, we're not gonna stand for it. And if you are, you're gone. And you're prosecuted, too. Not just gone, but prosecuted. And that would be the, that would be the best way to restore faith in the American system, because it's gone right now.
- [97:21]
Tucker Carlson
How did you find out you were getting a pardon?
- [97:25]
Trevor Milton
I, I got a call on. So this is crazy. I was actually like my world was over at this time. I had finally come to the conclusion, I had finally resigned mentally that it was done.
- [97:35]
Tucker Carlson
When was this?
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Trevor Milton
Beginning of April, I think it was. I think it was April. Beginning of April was March. Sorry. I'm sorry. It was beginning. I'm sorry. It was a beginning. It was about the beginning of March.
- [97:45]
Tucker Carlson
I heard you.
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Trevor Milton
Thanks. Thanks, baby. I appreciate it. She's like, march. I'm like, okay, March. Sorry.
- [97:49]
Tucker Carlson
Your wife has a very good memory for dates and names.
- [97:52]
Trevor Milton
I noticed.
- [97:52]
Tucker Carlson
I noticed last night. Yes.
- [97:54]
Trevor Milton
She remembers everything.
- [97:56]
Tucker Carlson
It's good.
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Trevor Milton
And so sometime around the beginning in March, I Got a. I got a call on my phone and it pulled up and I screenshotted just the, Just the caller ID number because I was like, it was like, so interesting. It was, it said. It said, executive Office of the President of the United States. And I was like, I'm either getting trolled, like straight troll, like they're gonna impersonate him with AI. I'm getting full on set up here. But I was like, I gotta answer this. I answered it. And they're like, hey, this is Trevor Milton. I said, yeah, and this is the executive office, the President, United States. So. And so. And Mr. President, President Trump would like to speak with you. Do you have a minute? And I was like, yeah, absolutely. And I would. That'd be great. And I go on hold and I'll hold for probably like three minutes. And I'm like, this is really scary because I truly thought it was like a full setup and. And all of a sudden it was. The President comes on the line. He said, you know, is this Trevor? And I said, yeah. And he says, trevor, how you doing today? And I said, not too great, Mr. President, but I'm alive still. And that's, you know, it's all you can do is just keep fighting. And he says, you're, you're. You're so true, Trevor, so true. And he says, well, you're going to have a. You have a better day after this. And I just wanted to tell you. And I said, yeah, and why. And I said, why is that? And he says, he says, well, Trevor, I've heard your story. And what they did to you was evil and disgusting. It was wrong on every level. And I'm going to issue you a full and unconditional pardon. The highest pardon a president can give a human is a full and unconditional. And I'm gonna give. I'm gonna issue you a pardon. You don't deserve what you've been through. I'm so sorry. And. And he says, you're clean. You're cleaner than a baby's bottom. And it was a very, very like. And. And I didn't know how to take it. I'm like, I don't even. Here I am like, I, I had finally given up, finally resigned, mentally. It's five years. I was just like. I just didn't have anything left in me. I was just over and any. And. And that was when I got the call. And it was like, it was so incredible because I, like, I realize that sometimes in this life you don't get the help until you have nothing left to give. And it was at that moment and he, and he stepped in for what reason? I, you know, I know the reason because it was wrong. But like, most politicians don't have bravery to do the right thing. They always do the wrong thing. And, and then he says, I'll be in touch soon. And, and he says, the team. He's like, he just want to let you know. He's like, you know, I'll be in touch soon. So two and a half, three weeks go by.
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Tucker Carlson
So what. What did you do in the meantime? Did you tell your lawyer?
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Trevor Milton
I told my. I told my parent, my dad, and I told my brothers and my sisters and I told my lawyers and I made sure that, like, I was like, listen, guys, this cannot get out. This is the highest level secrecy. Do not mention this to anybody. And my attorneys actually were like, didn't know how to take it. They were like, are you. You know, Trevor, they're like, do you have a. Do you have a piece of paper that signed? And in that moment I realized, oh, I don't. Like, I'm like, no, I don't. Then they're like, then it didn't happen and it doesn't matter. And there's a million things that can go wrong from now until then, or if it even, you know, who, you know, like, not questioning you because we like you and we trust you, but this is a little like, you gotta understand, it's very rare to get a pardon. And I said, I, I've never lied to you guys before, and I'm not lying to you now. That's. I was like, my wife was here. She listened to the whole thing, and they're like, all right, well, we'll see. Two to three weeks goes by and nothing. And I'm like, terrified. I'm like, great. Someone got to him. Someone made him think I was the evil man that the press said made him think what the short sellers believe. And, and next thing you know, I, I'm sitting there on an architecture, and.
- [101:35]
Tucker Carlson
Meanwhile the, the government's looming over you to seize all your assets and put you in jail.
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Trevor Milton
They did. I was three. I was a few days late on a, On a filing because it was like, all my. It was an asset to seize all my assets. It was a filing to seize all my assets. It would. They. They asked my judge to allow him to take $660 million from me when they couldn't prove a single dollar had ever been. Ever been. Ever been lost or, or anything that, like, I had nothing. Wrong. So that's part of reform. When you'll talk about that, you know that that's one of the things in reform. Needs to be the true. You know, needs to be not what the government just says that you lot, like, has to be true. Like, show me someone who invested on my comment when they made it and how much they lost. They couldn't find one person that ever did. Ever. They searched every investor that ever invested in Nikola. They could never find one person that said they invested based on the comments that they took me to trial for. And what was the losses from that? None. Zero. So it was 660 million. And we were a few days late on our filing, and we. And then all of a sudden I'm on the. I'm on a call with our architects and, and attorneys and Chelsea. Chelsea, like, all of a sudden I get a call, and it was a Florida number. And I was like, okay, I better take this. I usually don't answer calls that I don't know numbers from because I get so much spam, but it was a Florida number and I thought, okay, maybe. And it comes online. Trevor. Yeah, Trevor, it's, It's, it's, it's President Trump. How you doing? And I said, I. I'm doing. I'm doing okay, Mr. President. And he says, he says, oh. He says, boy, are you going to be doing better today. He says, I wanted to let you know that I'm sitting in front of your pardon right now and I'm about to sign it and. But I wanted you on the phone why I signed it and it would. And, and then he said something to me that was really the most powerful thing I've ever heard probably in my life. And he says, I'm doing something for you that they, that they, that they never did for me. And it was one of the most deep. It was like, that they. No one can do for me, like, except for him. He may be the only person that can ever do it for himself, but, you know, as a president, whatever those constitutional powers are. But essentially what he told me in that moment was I almost broke down bawling in this because it was, it was like, out of everything, that's what I took more powerfully than anything, is that, Trevor, I'm giving you something that I've long wished I could have been given, and I can't. No one did it for me, but I'm doing it for you. And I almost busted down because it was really, like a religious moment for me. It was a moment of, like, of, like, where I felt like God was sometimes. Like, that's the moment where God's like, I, I didn't do anything, but I had to let the evil man of the world murder me and hang me on a cross and suffer for days beyond any human could ever comprehend. And I had to do it because you couldn't do it for me. And, like, that was, like, that was, like, that was a moment that, like, I had, I had never imagined the power of a man's words in my life ever hit me like that. And it was when Trump told me, I'm doing something for you that no one could do for me. And it was like, it hurt my heart. Like, it hurt me to, like, think about, like, what he went through and what Trump's been through and, like, what they're doing, and they, no one could come in and do that for him. And I was like, this guy's a, a human beyond measure. The media loves to make him out to be a villain. He is, he is so human, so amazing. Like, I, I, I, straight up, I would die for him, dude. In two seconds, I'd take, I, I'd take a bullet in one second for him. Like, he, he, he's that good of a man. And, like, I'm like, I just, it was, it was so special, dude. My wife was crying. Like, I was crying. It was just like, it was just like he, and he, he did it. He called me. He wanted to make sure I heard his pin. He put the phone. And you could hear his pen up and down and up and down and up and down, up and down. Like, he has, you know, 20 peaks and valleys in a signature, and it's so beautiful. And, and he says, trevor, we, everyone here loves you. You don't deserve this. I'm so sorry. And he says, he says, go tell the whole world. You should be proud of this. Go tell the whole world. And I said, you're okay if I tell, if I, if I talk about it. Just, I expect you to. And I was like, what a, What a. What a man? Like, I think we forgot what men are like. It just, I feel like society has dumbed men down to nothing, to almost. No, no heroism anymore. No, no, no greatness, no spine, no. No character, no nothing. And I'm like, this is what our founding fathers were like. Like, the guy is willing to give up his life, everything, and he's willing to save someone who's, who means nothing to him. I meant nothing to Trump. I mean, other than the story, other than he was wrong. But like he did. He. He. You know, I wasn't. I wasn't a lifelong friend of his. He did this because it was wrong. The. The. What they did to me was wrong. And so he. He did this because he wanted to write a wrong. And that's as godlike as they make in this world. And I'm. I'm damn proud. I. I have that. I have that. That part in. On my desk, and I'm blowing it up, and I'm putting it on my wallet, my. In my hangar, and I'm gonna blow it up to 30ft high, and I'm gonna wear it with a badge of honor for my entire life. And I'll go down and I'll. I'll go down and die for that dude. Doesn't matter. He deserves it. He. He's earned it.
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Tucker Carlson
I can't thank you enough for the interview. Thank you, Trevor Milton. Congrats.
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Trevor Milton
Thanks, Tucker.
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Tucker Carlson
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