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Jimmy Dore: Trump’s MSG Rally, WaPo Refusing to Endorse Kamala, & Why Trump Winning Is Essential
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Jimmy Dore
But weren't you surprised at Jim Gaffigan going after the Democrats at the Al Smith dinner? Because he's got Trump derangement syndrome. And I couldn't believe the shit he was saying. Really? You remember. Do you remember the jokes he did? He goes, the media and the Democrats say that democracy is on the ballot and they have to protect it. And they had to protect it so much, they did a coup. And I was like, fucking Jim Gaffigan.
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Tucker Carlson
And he's not for Trump.
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Jimmy Dore
I have no. He's trumped arrangements. In fact, I used to, you know, kind of sub. So I know him, and he never would talk about politics because he wants to have the biggest audience. And then. But Trump, he can't. I can't help bite my tongue. I've got to say something. You know, and I was like, you know, the time to say something was when Barack Obama was ruling as a neocon, a tool of Wall street, and that's what made workers desperate enough to vote for Donald Trump. That's when you should have said something, when the Democratic Party stopped being democr. And. But now you're going to say something. You're upset at the. At the symptom instead of the disease.
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Tucker Carlson
At the result of what you allowed.
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Jimmy Dore
Yes.
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Tucker Carlson
Welcome to the Tucker Carlson Show. We bring you stories that have not been showcased anywhere else, and they're not censored, of course, because we're not gaped. We are honest brokers here to tell you what we think you need to know and do it honestly. Check out all of our content@tuckercarlson.com here's the episode. So that was actually something I thought a lot about last night at the fascist rally that I spoke at. It was so huge. And I know Trump is always talking about his crowd size, and there's a debate about it, but last night, there was no debate. I mean, it was crazy. Midtown was just like a mass of people. It was like Times Square on New Year's Eve.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, I was there. I was in. I was in Manhattan yesterday. I saw it. Yeah, I was on my way to some kind of peace rally or something in the Valley hosted by Scott Ritter. Oh, Judge Napolitano was there.
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, I love Judge Napolitano. So the crowd was just so overwhelming yesterday that I did ask myself, like, I think Trump's going to win. Just objectively, I want him to win, but. But I think he's going to win. But then I thought, if I were the Democrats, I would. I would pause and ask, like, what is this? It's not Just that, you know, half the country is evil. Maybe there's more to it. Does anyone ever stop? I mean, I try and understand, why do people love Obama? Why do they love Biden? I mean, I do try to. I mean, I think you should. They're Americans. Right.
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Jimmy Dore
I understand why people liked Obama. Me too. Or loved him.
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Tucker Carlson
Me too.
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Jimmy Dore
He made them. When he, he made me feel good when he spoke. Of course, you know, even though I was aware of the things he was doing when he gave a speech, I'm like, I feel a little bit, you know, he was really good at that.
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Tucker Carlson
And every American's like, you know, slavery really was bad. And, you know, there are the disparities between black and white in here. Like all these white people voted for a black president. Maybe we're going to move beyond that. I mean, we could stop talking about race and start talking about economics. That's what I. Okay, that's what I thought. Just personally, not that I'm a race guilt guy, I'm not, but I would like to have a conversation about something real like economics and war.
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Jimmy Dore
That's exactly where I'm at. And that's. So I had this guy on. Michael Parenti's son, Christian Parenti, wrote this paper recently, and it was about the birth of wokeness. Like some people think, you know, it started, you know, five minutes ago. Some people think it started 20 years ago. You said it started after World War II. And it was the conflation or the coming together of the NGOs, like the Rockefeller Foundation, Ford foundation, with the intelligence community. And what they did, like, they didn't have a problem when Martin Luther King wanted to integrate lunch counters because that didn't cost them anything, you know, but when he shifted against the Vietnam War and then he did a poor people's money March on Washington D.C. he didn't do a black people's march.
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Tucker Carlson
Right.
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Jimmy Dore
He did a poor people's march. And that's. And of course, you know, they killed him when he was supporting a sanitation strike. Right. So it was the economics. And so they. It's been the goal of the NGOs and the intelligence community to decouple social movements from the class analysis and the class and the economics and just push it all into culture. And that's been forever. And I'm like, you know, I mean, this, like anti war in the 60s. They used to be regular people buttoned down, and then all of a sudden it was all hippies and the smelly people and, well, where's Charles Manson? That's Right. And so that's. I mean, that's not. And now it's led up to this. And I sniffed this out about the trans issue. Right. Cause everybody was on board with gay rights. Everybody. You know, they went in the 90s, they used to be second class citizens and now they're not. Right, Right. And but so then they had to in. And I saw that the head of that Fink. The head of blackrock.
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Tucker Carlson
Larry Fink.
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Jimmy Dore
Larry Fink. I saw him given this spam, like, oh, that's what this is. He was.
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Tucker Carlson
Larry Fink is a trans rights activist now.
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Jimmy Dore
Oh, all those. I'm like, this son of a bitch is. So he's out there raping the planet and screwing over workers and the middle class. And so he gets to wrap himself in this patina of virtue by saying, I'm for trans rights and we have to force it down people's throat. I mean, basically, I'm paraphras. But that's basically what he said. And that's when I knew what was happening. Because this is not a grassroots. This didn't come from the grassroots up. And this is something that even turns the gay community against each other. Of course. So this is all about divide and conquer. And it's been about. So that's what wokeness is about. It's about divide and conquer. And it's not. Didn't just start. It's been going on since World War II. And the last thing they want you to do is have a class analysis. And that's what. So why is it the people who voted for Bernie Sanders then voted for Donald Trump? Right. There's a class analysis that would go along with that. Michael Moore, of all people in 2016. I don't know if you ever saw. There's a video of him giving that speech about, why do you think these people aren't all racist? These are people who voted for Barack Obama twice. These are people who voted for Bernie Sanders. Why are they attracted to Donald Trump? Because he stood there and said, if you ship their jobs to Mexico, I'm gonna put a tariff on you and you're to be able to sell a car. And that no other politician would say something like, this is Michael Moore giving that analysis. Right. And so you haven't heard him say that stuff since. Because he got spanked.
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Tucker Carlson
Okay. So there's so many threads here. And I want to get to that because I'm fascinated by aoc. Same thing. And a couple. And a couple of others who should be, I don't know, Trump supporters. Necessarily. But they should be making common cause with Trump on, on the promise of a fair economic system. And they're not. And why. But let me just get back to your great point that this, that wokeness was used as a tool by the people making the most money going back 80 years.
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Jimmy Dore
Yes.
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Tucker Carlson
So this is why Malcolm X had a short lifespan.
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Jimmy Dore
That's right. Right, exactly.
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Tucker Carlson
So if you actually listen to Malcolm X speeches. Well, they're not about race.
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Jimmy Dore
Well, he went and had an awakening.
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
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Jimmy Dore
He had an awakening. It's like, oh, there's white Muslims.
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
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Jimmy Dore
And he realized that that wasn't the game. And as soon as that happened, he had a short life. And so same thing when Martin Luther King decided it was about class and not about race. And no, they wanted to be about race. And so you've seen the studies. I'm sure that, you know, after Occupy Wall street. So you had the Tea Party. Right. They were upset about what happened during the economic crash in Wall street and the government bailing them out and kicking people out of their houses and making sure that both, you know, the way I said it was Barack Obama made sure the bankers got his bonuses while he kicked 5.1 million out of their homes. Not people, five more 1 million families. And then you find out that he got more money from Wall street than John McCain did. And you find out that. Yes. And that every. There was an email from Wall street, from Citigroup to the Barack Obama campaign with a list of people they wanted in his cabinet. Every person on that list ended up in his cabinet. And the reason I know that, because that got released by WikiLeaks and that's why they've been trying to kill Julian Assange ever since. And so they all are working. He wasn't a departure from George W. Bush, Barack Obama, just his skin color. He took us from two wars to seven. He gave us a right wing healthcare plan which came out of the Heritage foundation, which is same people I gave you Project 2025. And he gave us Mitt Romney's healthcare plan and he deported all those. He dropped more bombs than George Bush and nobody noticed. And that's why they wanted to have Kamala Harris. That was their first choice. The donor class was Kamala Harris. They thought we'd have a female Barack Obama. And that's good face for imperialism. Right. Because we have a black woman bombing and stealing resources and doing neoliberal and neocon policies. That's perfect. And then she couldn't get a vote. So then they had to go to Their second most reliable person, which was Joe Biden. That's exactly how it worked. I don't know if you remember, but they coordinated her on Martha's Vineyard. She's gonna be our candidate. And they thought they had the black Barack Obama, but she couldn't get a vote. She has no political talent. Right. And so then they forced her on Joe Biden as the vice president. And then, of course, they did a coup, just like Jim Gaffig said at the L. Smith dinner. They had the debates way earlier than they normally would, so they would give them enough time to install Kamala Harris. And that's exactly what happened. So I don't know how I got off on this tangent, but yes, that's. And that's the. Oh, we know that after Wall street, after Occupy Wall street and the Tea Party, then the major newspapers, the mentions of racism and white supremacy, people. People have studied this. I'm not making this up. I'm just quoting studies and went through the roof. And why is that? Because, as Chomsky taught us, the newspapers aren't there to inform you there to manufacture consent. And one of the great ways to manufacture consent for the establishment is to divide and conquer. It's been there ever since World War II. It's been divide and conquer. And that's exactly what they did. So they got everybody hyper. That's what identity politics is. And it's got everybody who you identify with your skin color. It's the opposite of Martin Luther King. It's the opposite of judge someone by the content of their character, etc. And so now everybody's identified with their gender or their sexual preference or. Or their skin color or their ethnicity. And they got us all siloed off and split up. But what we need to do is what Christian Smalls did on Staten island when he started the first labor union for Amazon. Right? So here's a black guy on Staten island, and what is he doing? He's organizing a bunch of Trump voters to go against Jeff Bezos and the machine. And he won. Right? And he didn't do that by saying, hey, who here's a gun nut? All right, you are out. Who here supports the trans. You don't. You're out. Okay, who here. No, that's not how you organize. Right? Who's left? Okay, now I'm going to organize with the rest of you. That's not how it works. You go, we have an economic interest. We share a common economic interest, and we share a common enemy. And that enemy is Jeff Bezos. And the establishment, who's with me, and they were with them. And you know, if the funny thing is when you win a union like that or you win economic gains for everybody, the people who disproportionately are benefited are the, are the people of color. If you give black people have more medical debt per capita than white people, if you give everybody healthcare, that's going to help them more. Right? So you give everybody healthcare, it helps the trans community. So that's. You give everybody a living wage, a strong union that helps everybody more. And the people who are more disproportionately helped are the people who you normally consider the most vulnerable in your society. So that's the irony. But they want us fighting over things that just help your little. You fight over traits, trans rights, fight over reparations, fight over this instead of fight over something that helps everybody. And that's what the. So that's what divide and conquer, and that's why we are where we are.
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Tucker Carlson
Tucker well, it's such a smart analysis, and I just want to say for the record, I agree with every single word that you said. But first, it's just incredibly easy to divide people, you know, from outside. It really is, especially along the lines of immutable characteristics, because they don't change. And so the conflicts tend to be irresolvable. I mean, you can go from a Bernie voter to a Trump voter to whatever's next voter. You can change your vote, you cannot change your skin color. And so once you create those divisions like they're permanent and you wreck your society. But I just detect in your worldview something that you don't see very often, which is universalism. Your instinct or your sense of the world seems to be based on the idea that there are principles that apply to everyone, regardless of what they look like. And I thought that's, I mean, that's what Western civilization was based on. That's Christianity, by the way. But I don't see people approaching questions with that assumption as much anymore.
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Jimmy Dore
No, because they're propagandized to do the other. And you know, the American people, I've said this. My friend Nicruz says this. Americans are the most propagandized people in the entire world, and they don't have any idea that they are, you know, at least people in China, China know they're being propaganda. That's right. The people in the old Soviet Union knew it was propaganda. People in America turn on Anderson Cooper, turn on Rachel Maddow, Sean Hannity, they think they're getting the truth. They really do. They think, you know, hey, don't you think it's a little weird when Sean Hannity and Rachel Maddow are saying the exact same thing about Ukraine? Don't you think that's weird?
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Tucker Carlson
Well, yes, in fact, I did. It's funny you mentioned that.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah. And so, you know, I try to remind people that, you know, that you, you got fired not because you were going along with the wars and telling the lies of the wars. When you were going along with the Iraq war, they couldn't give you enough TV shows. Right. You were on cnn, you msnbc, your number one guest was Rachel Maddow. Then you had the number one show on Fox. It was when you started to tell the truth. They don't fire you for lying about wars. They don't. They fire you for telling the truth about the wars. And that's just same reason why Julian Assange was in prison. He wasn't in prison because he lied about the war machine. He was in prison because he told the truth. And that's what people need to realize. And I try to, I ask people when I have these conversations with my old liberal friends from Hollywood, the ones who still talk to me, and I'll say, is there anything you hear on cable news that you don't believe? Is there anything? And you know what? They never say anything back. They never say, well, I don't believe that they never say anything. They just change the subject or move on to something else.
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Tucker Carlson
You really think they're just accepting the whole sandwich?
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Jimmy Dore
Yes.
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Tucker Carlson
Just swallowing without chewing, just.
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Jimmy Dore
Yes. And that was the, you know, the beginning of the end for me was when I wouldn't go along with Hillary Clinton because I was a big, I've always been a liberal progressive and I supported Bernie Sanders. I thought we were really close to doing something at that convention in 2016 in Philadelphia. I was there. And you walked into the convention hall and half the people in there wanted to overthrow the Democratic establishment. Half the people there wanted to get corporate money out of politics. And there was lots of friction. They were turning the lights out. They were using soundcan the whole day. It was. And it really felt like we were about to do something right. And then I went to the last convention, just this year in Chicago, and it was like a Stepford's Wives convention. It was brainwashed, brain dead go alongs. Nobody had a thought in their head. No, they were there cheering on billionaires and cheering on the war machine. And it was growing CIA director billionaires on stage from Oprah Talking about how she's a victim of sexism and racism. That was one of the funniest things. That's like Oprah. Since I've been in college, she's been a highly touted celebrity with her own television show. There might have been a time in her life when she was discriminated against, but, boy, she certainly made up for it. And for her to be the voice of that was really disgusting. And then you had Pritzker come on stage. I'm a real billionaire. And people are charmed, like, is this the Democratic Party? The Democratic Party. And so that's what happened with Bill Clinton.
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Tucker Carlson
How did they treat you, by the way, at the convention?
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Jimmy Dore
I couldn't stay there long. I had a pass to be on the floor. Honestly, it depressed me to the point of almost tears. And I would go up to people, I would go up to delegates, and I would say, does it bother you that the party who's putting democracy on the ballot threw out 14 million ballots and installed Kamala Harris? And to a person, they would all say, there was a process. She followed the process. They didn't care. Care. Nobody cared. They don't care anything. They didn't care that she didn't get a vote. They don't care that they threw out the guy who did get a vote. They don't care that they were lied to about his mental. His dementia. For years. They didn't mind. Nothing. Nothing. And they were all about. It was the only. It was. And they talk about abortion at the convention like it's a day. It's like, it's Christmas. And you know, like, hey, I'm. I always, you know, like, Bill, the old liberals. I always was like, you know, let's. Let's make abortion safe, legal, and rare. Right? And they're like, no, let's cheer it on like it's Christmas. I'm like, that's weird. That's like cheering on amputation. Like, yay. You get to get your amputation. Like, no, that's something. That's. If you have to have it, that's. I'm glad it's available. But that's always a sad day anyway. So that's where.
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Tucker Carlson
What is that about? I really noticed that because I've been covering this stuff since 92 and Clinton. I mean, I've always been against abortion. I'm just going to say that. Agree or disagree with me, but I feel that way. Way. But I remember Clinton really kind of going out of his way to be like this. It's a sad thing but we think in these circumstances it should be legal. And I'm so struck by the change. What is that?
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Jimmy Dore
Well, I had a conversation at the convention with someone who. This woman's rights organization, she was the head of it. And I don't want to mention her name, but I was saying, well, I've always been pro choice. I don't want a G man in between doctor and a patient.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Jimmy Dore
I want.
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Tucker Carlson
I'll.
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Jimmy Dore
I trust women, I trust doctors to make that decision without a government stepping. And she's like, well, that's not good enough. You have to be pro abortion. And I'm like, that just seems I'm. And I'm like, what's your message to someone like me who's pro choice but not pro abortion? And she's like, well, that's a longer conversation. I'm like, you don't have a. You don't have a message for me, are you.
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Tucker Carlson
She said, you have to be pro abortion.
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Jimmy Dore
Pro abortion. I mean, it blew me away way. And this is someone I like and respect and it's very funny and you know, all that stuff. But I, I didn't see it coming because I've been saying, because during COVID they went from being pro choice to pro abortion, which I noticed, right. I. Not. Because it sounds so weird coming off your lips. I'm pro abortion. You're pro. No, you're supposed to be pro choice. You're supposed to be bodily autonomy, which they don't say anymore because they were all for the mandated emergency medical treatment, which was Covid vaccines with no long term studies. They were for making people take that. And so that's the exact opposite of bodily autonomy, something that I've said my entire life. Everybody who would call themselves a liberal has said, well, they stopped saying that because they're not for bodily autonomy. They're for the government being able to mandate an experimental medical treatment while they're lying to you about it. But they're pro abortion. So I would say on my show that nobody's pro abortion. And then I met someone at the convention who was. And I was just like, whoa. It still kind of blows me away.
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Tucker Carlson
Do you have any idea what that it. It blows me away too again. And I'm coming from exactly the opposite perspective. Like I've always disagreed with a pro choice position, but I also thought when I would listen to Clinton I'd be like, I get it. I get why people feel, you know, 13 year old girl raped, she's got a disabled, you know, the baby's disabled. I mean I understand why people are like, yeah, she should have an abortion or have the right to this is such a different message. And I just don't know where that came from or why that. It's just really striking to me.
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Jimmy Dore
It's dark.
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Tucker Carlson
Super dark.
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Jimmy Dore
I think it's super dark. Yeah. But those are the same people who can turn their head at the genocide happening in Palestine and say things. I mean, I would turn to people who are liberal their whole life. And I'm like, so you stand with the people of Palestine, Right? And they're like, kamala's not the president of the Middle East. They'll say things like that. And I'm like, what? But she is funding it. And it's like, well, Trump is gonna be worse. What is he gonna do, dig up the dead babies and kill them again? If Trump is worse, then we deal with Trump when that happens. But right now, you cannot reward what the Democratic administration is doing, what Kamal Harris and Joe Biden. You cannot reward them with your vote. You have to make them pay a price. You have to influence them. And that's why now all every Muslim mayor in Michigan came out and I pretty sure just endorsed Donald Trump. And so you're going to wag your finger at those people. I've seen people prioritize. They go, well, Trump's going to go house to house. I work with immigrants, and Trump's going to go house to house and kick them out. And I'm like, so you're prioritizing the immigration status of migrants over the literal slaughter of Palestinian children? That's morally repugnant. And as you know, Thomas Frank said in listen, Liberal, when you listen to these people moralize, it's stomach churning. And that is stomach. It's like you're just bending yourself in a press so there's no red line. I have a red line. My red line is genocide. And Kamala Harris could come get my vote if she said, hey, you know what? I'm not going to fund Israel anymore. That's their problem. Or has some thing. She won't do it. And so if you're willing to go along with that, there's no doubt you're not voting for a lesser evil. You're just voting for straight up evil. And you're doing mental gymnastics to make yourself feel better about it. People have to lie to themselves about Donald Trump. The same establishment that venerated him my entire life, he was on every magazine cover, invited on every late night talk show. He hosted Saturday Night Live. Hollywood gave him his own national television show for 10 years. They gave him Emmy nominations. Right? And Oprah loved Him. The View kissed him on the lips. They loved him. Everybody loves Donald Trump. Stephen Colbert loved him. He would say, look, everybody loves Donald Trump. Thanks for running, Stephen Colbert said to him. And then all of a sudden, once he became president, he's like, he's Hitler. He's the worst thing in the world. And if you look at what he was saying about what caused that pivot, the establishment, so the establishment does. They couldn't control him. He's like, I've heard you say they're afraid he's going to do one less war than they want. And so they couldn't control him. And he's also, also, as Aaron Mate has pointed out, that he puts an ugly face on imperialism, Right? Because now they've painted this guy as a white supremacist. And he speaks in a crude way often, and he puts an ugly face on imperialism. So it makes it harder for them to invade small brown countries and steal their natural resources. A lot easier if it's Barack Obama doing it. Look at what he did to Libya, like what they did to Syria, like what they did to Afghanistan for 20 years. Yemen, the whole deal. So. But Trump makes it harder for them, right? And plus, he's a wild card. He wouldn't go along. That's why they lied about him. That's why the CIA lied in aid of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris about Hunter's laptop. That's why they did Russiagate, which was concocted by the Hillary Clinton campaign. And that's why the FBI lied to the FISA court 17 times, so they could get a phone tap on Donald Trump's phone and his entire organization. And they still couldn't find a crime that they wanted to impeach him over, because they had to find a crime that they weren't also complicit in. That's why it took so long. So fair point. And for me saying, you know, and when I had Cornel west on my show, I tried to impress upon him that, don't you see, like, you don't have to like Donald Trump, right? I didn't vote for Donald Trump. But what you see they're doing to Donald Trump, they would do to anybody. And when I say they, I mean the establishment and the handful of billionaires that actually run the Western world and our media, they would and own the Congress. They would do to anybody who stood up. Look what they did to Bernie Sanders, right? So when there was a chance that Bernie Sanders was gonna become the nominee, they immediately rush agated him. They immediately Called him a sexist, immediately called his followers racist and sexist and violent. They did the exact same thing. And that's what I tried to impress upon crime. They would do this to you, they would do this to Bernie Sanders, they would do it to me, they would do it to Jill, they'd do it to Jill Stein, they'll do it to anybody who they can't control. And Cornel West's response to me was to call me a truck Trumper. That was one of the saddest days. That was one of the saddest days.
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Tucker Carlson
I know Cornell and I, you know, it's a very, very complicated person, but in some ways a good hearted person.
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Jimmy Dore
In many ways.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, he is. And he's smart, he's legit smart.
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Jimmy Dore
But he has lived in, you know, he told me that we live in two different worlds. And I was like, we sure do. You live in an ivory tower your entire life. And I came from blue collar background and my whole life and I'm out there with the people all the time. I tour the country constantly and I do meet and greets and meet hundred night and they look at me in the, in the eye with, and some of them with tears in their eye and they thank me for what I'm doing and for what I'm saying. And even though they don't agree with me politically, like I would say, half my audience is to traditional liberals, the other half are libertarians or conservatives and ex military. You know, I remember most recently I had a guy said, you know, I've served on, in three, three different countries in three different wars. And I watched your show and I woke up and now I realize what's going on. And those are the kind of, that, you know, kind of never leave me. I've had, I've had military guys try to give me their medals and you know, it just, it's overwhelming emotionally for me to meet these people. And so that's what I, that's the world I come from. And that's not the world the media comes from. That's not the world that Cornel west comes from.
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Tucker Carlson
And because Cornel west is black, he kind of has a trump card where he can say, you've never suffered like I have. You don't know what it's like.
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Jimmy Dore
I don't know what it's like to live and work in Harvard and Yale and Princeton. Then that's got to be miserable.
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Tucker Carlson
No, you're so, you're so right. So let me just get back to what, what I wanted to Ask you a couple minutes ago, which is the people who should know better in Cornel west is certainly in that category.
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Jimmy Dore
Well, look at what happened during come. That was my big beef when I had him on because he wouldn't say a peep during COVID I'm like, you know, oh, really?
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Tucker Carlson
I didn't know that.
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Jimmy Dore
No. Well, now he's, now he is saying something like, he's picked up Bobby Kennedy's. But, you know, I was like, you know, where were you when, you know, he's always, I stand in solidarity with workers. And I'm like, well, they fired 70,000 health care workers in one state alone because they wouldn't take an experimental medical treatment. Where were you then? Right. 41% of black owned businesses closed permanently during COVID Where were you then? Where were you screaming about that? Where was your solidarity then? And so I don't want to pick on Cornwallis. He's got a lot of. I like him.
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, yeah, no, I agree, and I like him.
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Jimmy Dore
But it was a very big letdown for her.
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Tucker Carlson
But you're right. So my question is not even to get personal about it or AOC is someone who has called me a white supremacist a thousand times, but I still look at her and I say, this is woman with talent. I think she does have talent. I'm sure she'll disavow me for saying that. But she's also said a few things over the years where you could be closer to the right track than you are, but she seems to have sold out immediately. And I would also say not to be mean, but Bernie Sanders, same thing. Like what?
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Jimmy Dore
What?
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Tucker Carlson
And Michael Moore of all, not only was he, you know, on a populist streak, and he's actually from industrial Michigan. He's also fat, which I think is significant. No, no, I'm not being mean. I'm being serious. No one in the ruling class is fat. A lot of America is fat. Michael Moore, like, he, he seemed a little bit more real than, or potentially more real than a lot of the spokesmen for the left. Why is he going along with that? Like, what is this? Why are there no independent voices?
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Jimmy Dore
That's funny, because he was, like I pointed out earlier in this conversation, he was the one who gave that big speech about why regular people are attracted to Donald Trump. And it's because they want to give an F you to the establishment that has left them behind. And the Democratic Party has certainly left workers behind. They crushed their railroad union strike. All of them, the Democrats, they all did that and pretend they did and pretended they didn't. Pretend that they're somehow. They're the party of the workers. It all ended with Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton was no friend to the working man. He got after Ronald Reagan, he called up Wall Street. They fed the Democratic Leadership Council. You remember that? The dlc. Do you remember who was on it? They had people from the Koch brothers sitting on their board. Him. And so there was. I mean, he gutted welfare, increased the police state, he deregulated Wall street, which came to crash the economy and hurt black and brown people more than anybody. Within 10 years, he did that. He exploded the prison population. And he had a private plan with Newt Gingrich to privatize Social Security. But Monica Lewinsky screwed that plan up. If you read listen, liberal. And so he did nafta, which cut the legs out from underneath the working unions for a generation. Those are things that Republicans couldn't do, which is people like Glenn Ford. And the Black Agenda report has said that the Democrats are the greater evil. They're the more effective evil because they can get stuff done that Republicans good.
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Tucker Carlson
And, you know, they've reached the Malcolm X position.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah. Huh. So George, when George Bush the first wanted to do nafta, he couldn't get it passed because there was the certain Democrats in the south who wouldn't go along with it. Well, Bill Clinton came in and gave them cover. And then they did it. They did NAFTA rights, which screwed over. So Barack Obama, he's dropped more bombs than George W. Bush and nobody made a peep.
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Tucker Carlson
But how do you control critics who know better? That's what I don't get. And Michael Moore, specifically. Michael Moore had his own franchise. He's not dependent. He doesn't have a cable contract. He doesn't. You know, he was sort of outside. And here I'm not. I'm not complimenting Michael Moore. I'm just. But I'm just noting like, the guy had talent. He had his own income stream. He had some insight into what was actually going on along the lines of what you just said. So how do you get Michael Moore to obey you and join forces with Larry Fink?
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Jimmy Dore
I think it's the same way they got Jon Stewart. Right? So Jon Stewart went on Stephen Colbert and he told the truth about where the COVID virus came from.
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Tucker Carlson
I remember.
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Jimmy Dore
Do you remember that? And Stephen Colbert tried to stop him at every turn to the point where Jon Stewart had to get up off the chair and walk directly towards the camera and finish what he was Saying, saying. So Stephen Colbert couldn't interrupt him. Do you remember that? It was very. Well, it was unbelievable. And then he got completely dismantled or completely ostracized by polite liberal establishment. And he spent the next year trying to get back into their good graces. That's what I think it is. It's that, you know, we have that built into us through evolution. You want to be part of a group. And he was no longer part of. He even talked about it. Like, I didn't realize that there was a right wing position on Covid and there was a left wing and there was a conservative. I didn't realize that. Well, he freaking got his mind right. And to make up for it, he then had to pin a medal on a Nazi at Disney World. A legit, legit Nazi, which he's never been asked about or ever had to answer for.
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Tucker Carlson
He then gave Ukrainian Nazi.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah. Then he gave a tongue bath to two of the biggest blood soaked war criminals in my lifetime. Condoleezza Rice and Hillary Clinton. He did that interview that was just disgusting. And then he did a vaccine panel Covid where he brought on four vaccine liars, not one skeptic. He didn't bring on anybody with the counter narrative to just lie about vaccines and Covid and not. So he was doing all these things to try to get back in good grade. That's my theory. That's why you ask him what happened to Michael Moore. I think you get ostracized and he doesn't want to get ostracized. And then who knows, the money dries up for your next movie. Who knows what that. But definitely it doesn't make any sense. That's. That's actually. That makes sense that I'd love to ask him, but he, you know, he'll never come on my show or answer.
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Tucker Carlson
I feel like. I think it's a great explanation. Probably.
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Jimmy Dore
Right.
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Tucker Carlson
I mean, I think it's probably as simple as that, you know, the desire not to be.
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Jimmy Dore
I mean, I know what it feels like to be shunned.
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Tucker Carlson
I know, right?
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Jimmy Dore
I mean, people I've known all my life speak of me in the most despicable ways. And it's because I actually kept true to my values. I actually, you know, I look forward to a day when the left actually criticizes and is skeptical of Big Pharma and is adversarial towards the government and the captured regulatory agencies and the lie inside government like Fauci and Collins and all those people. I look forward to those days when we stand up against the CIA again. And don't believe the FBI and the intelligence communities which has infiltrated every lefty organization and dismantled them. I look forward to those days when they come back. I never left them. They did. They became neocon right wingers. I don't know if that's even the right term anymore to call people. But that's what the people who think they're liberal now are now. They now stand. They're pro war, they're anti free speech, they're pro censorship, antibodily autonomy. And now they're excusing a genocide. They're the exact opposite of what they think they are.
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Tucker Carlson
That's just. I could not improve on that. Can I just take you back to something you said a moment ago about the 2016 election in Bernie Sanders? And Sanders was clearly. And it was Also true in 2020, the Democratic candidate in the primaries with grassroots support. I mean he was with actual people behind him. Right. And he had a message that was distinct from all other messages in the Democratic coalition.
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Jimmy Dore
They Russia gated him.
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Tucker Carlson
Okay. So I think looking back when historians untangle this, you know, this mess that we've been living in for nine years and trying to figure out what actually happened, like how did we wind up at war with Russia, a hot war with Russia, which we're in now.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
I think they're going to trace it back to the leak of the DNC email. Else I just have always felt that. What was that?
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Jimmy Dore
So. Well, we know that. So it used to be that. Remember when George Bush said he met Putin and he looked into his soul and he's a good man. Yes. And that's because there was, you know, we wanted to export our crony capitalism to Russia, which we did in a big way. And there was economic interests in Russia. Well then the war machine had economic interests and we needed, we need a boogeyman man again. Right. And I remember when Biden was pulling out of Afghanistan and there was a lot of people who consider themselves liberal that were giving him congratulations, look, he's getting out, he's getting out. And I was like, well, wait a minute, what is he going to do with the money that we've been spending in Afghanistan? Has he said, well, I'm going to wait till I hear, because I pretty sure they have another war in the chamber if they're going to let him end this one and exactly. They did. They had the Ukraine war in the chamber, which they had been preparing for for at a decade, if not longer. And again, that's the Rachel Maddow Anderson Cooper even. They're never going to tell you that. That's right. The CIA got in bed with right wing Nazis in Ukraine to overthrow their democratically elected government. Why? For economic reasons. That's why. Why? Because Ukraine wanted to. They had a better economic deal from Putin and Russia than they were getting from the European Union. And that cannot stand. And so we, we overthrew their democratically elected president, then we, Zelinsky's a puppet, right? And he ran on peace. That's the irony. So he ran on peace and ending war and, and now he's banning newspapers and opposition parties and going into Christian churches and you've, you've seen it all and you know, killing American journalists.
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Tucker Carlson
Right, because he's not elected. He's a dictator and he's a. By definition.
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Jimmy Dore
Exactly. So they'll never tell you about the Minx Accords and that they had peace agreements and that as Angela Merkel revealed, that they never, the Ukraine and the NATO never intended to abide by the pieces. So what happened after we overthrew the government in Ukraine in 2014 was the people, the Russian speaking ethnics in the east part of Ukraine didn't want to go along with that coup government. And so the Ukrainian government, Nazis started bombing them. Right. They started shelling them, which is why we had to have peace agreements. Minsk 1 and 2 accords. And Angela Merkel revealed that they never meant to go along with those. They, they just used that as a time to build up the Ukrainian military to get ready for a war with Russia that they were going to provoke, which everyone knows that they did provoke.
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Tucker Carlson
They certainly did provoke it. And I don't think everyone knows that, but I'll just say it again. They provoked it using Kamala Harris at the Munich Security Congress.
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Jimmy Dore
Right. When she said that you were going to put them in, we're going to put Ukraine in NATO, that was the final straw. And there was, you know, all Putin wanted was, hey, just don't do that. I can't have you putting nuclear weapons and I can't have a NATO right on my border. And you could, everybody could anyway. And so, but the way it's told in the United States is that Putin is an evil dictator and he just woke up one day and decided to invade Ukraine for kicks because he's just evil and they don't have any. And then of course, he blew up his own pipeline, the Nord Stream pipeline, the biggest, and which actually screws over Europe and Germany right now. Their economies are all hurting because of that. And Putin's economy is outgrowing, growing faster than the United States.
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly. I believe I was called a traitor for pointing that out. But it doesn't make it any less true. It's a fact.
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Jimmy Dore
But this is all. And this is so frustrating, this kind of propaganda. And because I have the time to look into this and I'm aware of it and I can't keep my mouth shut about it. Now everybody calls me a right winger. People say I'm turning Democrats into Republicans and stuff like that. I'm just like, no, I'm trying to wake up Democrats and Republicans to the uni party that's been running things. And that's exactly what we're living in. And it's funny, I'm noting some kind of a pattern. Every war there seems to be some kind of. In every coup we do, there seems to be some kind of natural resource that we actually are after in an economic gain. Just like, well, Lindsey Graham just said it that there's $11 trillion in rare earth minerals under Ukraine. He just blurts it out like his boyfriend's name on Valentine's Day and there it is. And I'm like, nobody ever talked about this for the first three or four years of this war. All of a sudden he's like, it's all about 11 trillion dol and rare. I'm like, you son of a bitch. And they just say it. They just say it out loud. And there's no media there to hold him accountable. Because the media is now owned by billionaires like Jeff Bezos. And they don't hire journalists from blue collar backgrounds. They hire journalists from Ivy League schools who are going to be class loyal. They don't have to tell them what to say.
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly. Who are going to be class loyal. Boy, we've told you before about Halo. It is a great app that I am proud to say I use, my whole family uses. It's for daily prayer and Christian meditation and it's transformative. So with everything happening in the world right now, it is essential to ground yourself. This is not some quack cure. This is the oldest and most reliable cure in history. It's prayer. Ground yourself in prayer and scripture every single day. That is a prerequisite for staying sane and healthy and maybe for doing better eternally. So if you're busy on the road headed to kids sports, there is always time to pray and reflect alone or as a family. But it's hard to be organized about it. Building a foundation of prayer is going to be absolutely critical. As we head into November Praying that God's will is done in this country and that peace and healing come to us here in the United States and around the world. Christianity, obviously, is attack, under attack everywhere. That's not an accident. Why is Christianity the most peaceful of all religions, under attack globally? Did you see the opening of the Paris Olympics? There's a reason. Because the battle is not temporal. It's taking place in the unseen world. It's a spiritual battle, obviously. So try Hallow. Get three months completely free at Hallow. That's Hallow.com Tucker if there is ever a time to get spiritually in tune and ground yourself in prayer, it's now. Hallo will help personally and strongly and totally sincerely. Recommended. Hallowed.comtucker so I'm fixated on this question of the DNC emails winding up with WikiLeaks and Julian Assange. We were told that Russia did that the FBI was never allowed in the US government. Never actually. CrowdStrike. Right. Told us that. And we were just beat in the face with that line for the next three years. And it was on the basis of that supposed crime that Russia became our biggest enemy, and we wound up in a hot war with Russia. And my question to you is, do you think those emails were stolen by Russia and given to Julian Assange? He's denied that. Or do you think they were leaked to WikiLeaks by a disgruntled DNC employee who saw the DNC cheating in the primary on behalf of Hillary Clinton and against Bernie Sanders to shut down democracy within the party?
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Jimmy Dore
So that DNC email leak being blamed on Russia served two purposes. Right. You get to tie Donald Trump to Russia.
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Tucker Carlson
Right.
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Jimmy Dore
And then you get to demonize Russia.
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
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Jimmy Dore
Which they had a war in the chamber for. Right. They wanted. They knew this was coming. So it served both purposes. And do I think that. So we. No. Russia. I had on Bill Binney, who at the time was the number one code breaker for the NSA for decades. And of course he told the truth. So the FBI tried to imprison him, but he's smarter than the FBI, which isn't that hard. So he outwitted them.
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Tucker Carlson
The FBI tried to imprison Bill Benny.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, yeah, yeah. They tried to. They tried to get him, but he outsmarted them. Right. He told the story on my show. I don't. I don't remember the details because it was in 2016. Basically, he was just.
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Tucker Carlson
In one sentence, Benny, who's very familiar with how information moves digitally said, made the case mathematically that it would be impossible yes. To leak it from outside the building, you had to have someone downloading it from.
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Jimmy Dore
He said it had to be downloaded. And he said because they were. There would be. There's a paper. There would be a trail, you know, electronic trail that you would see if that information got downloaded and went. So he said that had to be locally downloaded, right? Like. And so then it comes up Seth Rich, right? So you always can tell when the establishment's up to some fuckery, when they don't allow you to ask questions about something. Like you weren't allowed to ask questions about COVID So you know something's up, right? So.
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Tucker Carlson
But that's true in our personal lives, too. If I don't. If I refuse to talk about something, there's probably something there.
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Jimmy Dore
So I first experienced this when it came to Seth Rich, right? So I remember that there was a private investigator that was hired. I don't know, by the family or someone connected to the Seth Rich family. And he gave a press conference. And all I did was cover his press conference. And I asked logical questions like, hey, if this was a botched robbery, how come they didn't steal his watch or his wallet or anything? How come. Where's the videotape of this? There's camera cameras everywhere. Hey, how. Where was he when the time he left the bar to the time he got to his house? There's hours in between there. Nobody. I just want to know. And I remember I was on a panel, a news panel, and I said, can anybody remember the last time there was an unsolved murder in Washington, D.C. and reporters weren't allowed to ask questions about it? And it was just like, no, no, no. They didn't want to talk about it. They didn't want. Of course, that's never happened before, and it's never happened sense. And so I got the. A hit piece put on me in the Washington Post because then called me a conspiracy theorist because I was asking logical questions about an unsolved murder.
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Tucker Carlson
How dare you?
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Jimmy Dore
In Washington, D.C. i was put in a hit piece in the. In the Washington Post, and Son of a. A couple of years go by, and now the. They've been. Or first of all, the FBI said they didn't have his computer, Seth Rich's laptop. Then they said, okay, yeah, we have it, but we can't access it. Then they're like, okay, yeah, we accessed it, but we have a comprint out, but we can't share it. And then a judge ordered them to release their findings of the. What's inside that computer and they refused. The judge ordered them again, you have to do this. And they said, hey, no. They invoke some national security thing. And they said we're not going to release it for 65 years. That's what they said. And I was like, he's a low.
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Tucker Carlson
Level staff for dnc.
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Jimmy Dore
Love A. I knew it. There was something up. And when the FBI isn't going to. I'm like, what? A, Did Seth Rich kill Kennedy? Why won't they so. And of course now I was right to ask all those questions. And so it certainly seems all the evidence points towards Seth Rich. It doesn't point towards Russia because now we know that Russia didn't. I knew that immediately. I knew that in 2016 that that wasn't possible. And they knew that the CrowdStrike was lying, in fact, and that it was the Hillary Clinton campaign and the intelligence community that can concocted the Russiagate conspiracy theory, which is one of the dumbest, most easily debunked conspiracy theories of my life. That was repeated ubiquitously in the press. Right. Manufacturing consent. And so the Steele dossier, Hillary Clinton funded it. Right. And we all know it was all made up. And she lied about that, by the way. She had to pay a fine for lying about that. Nobody ever again, if it doesn't get reported in the press, it doesn't happen. They decide what's news and what isn't. And if it doesn't get reported, I mean it got reported on page 17 but nobody made a big deal out of it. So that's what. If you're asking me about the DNC leak of the emails, I think certainly the evidence doesn't point towards Russia whatsoever. There never was any evidence and they lied about everything.
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Tucker Carlson
And there was. I mean, I remember if this was. Look, I'm not a Democrat, have never been, so a lot of this stuff was confusing to me and it was just hard to. It's hard to assess things as they happen. And I feel like an idiot for not my instincts aligned with yours. Exactly. I thought there's something, there's lying here. I know lying, but I'm not exactly sure what they're lying about and I don't know what the truth is, but I remember that the Nation magazine, the oldest leftist magazine in the United States, Victor Navaski's old magazine, ran a piece by Bill Binney saying this is not Russia. Russia did not do this. And you look, look back eight years and the idea that the Nation magazine would write a piece like that would. That's Impossible to imagine now, they would never do that. It's like every institution on the left got captured by this weird neoliberal dishonesty. And I just. How did that happen?
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Jimmy Dore
Well, is that the. So Aaron Mate did a meticulous debunking of the Russia Gate conspiracy theory and he was allowed to be printed. I think it was in the nation.
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, good. Okay.
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Jimmy Dore
Good boy. Did the. The editor. I think it's. I think Vanden H. Katrina.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Jimmy Dore
And she caught a lot of guff for just. It was the only time they printed anything counter to that narrative. And Aaron Mate ended up winning the if Stone Independent Journalism Award for that work. And they said he meticulously debunked Russia Gate. It didn't. It. Russia Gate's a dumb conspiracy theory. If you. To find the debunking of it, there it is. It was given an award, the Izzy Award. Right. But again, that doesn't make the front page of the Washington Post and New York Times that Rachel Maddow is never going to tell you that. She's just going to keep going on and rushing, rush agating. Because to tell the truth about Russiagate gets you ostracized. And to lie about it gets you a $30 million contract, which is what Rachel Maddow got, which is $100,000 a day. That's how much Rachel Maddow gets paid to lie to you about Ukraine, about COVID about anything. That's what she's there to lie about. Russia Gate.
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Tucker Carlson
How long can that continue? I mean, the audience for news organizations that lie. All news organizations lie. But, you know, you'd hope it's inadvertent, it's a mistake.
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Jimmy Dore
No, I've made a lot of those.
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Tucker Carlson
But the ones who lie on purpose, like NBC News or CBS or abc, Washington Post, New York Times, like they are losing audience share as a result of their lying. Can they continue?
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, I don't see any end to it right now. They keep inventing fake fact check organizations. So I had like this, you know, CIA employee from NBC News contact me about me spreading misinformation. Oh, it was directly about you. They said when you spread a misinformation about me. Yeah, that. I said that. I repeated the Russian propaganda that you were targeted for assassination by Ukrainian. And I went back and I looked at my coverage and I said, the only thing we can say for sure is that this guy is being detained for questioning. That's the only thing I didn't, you know, I see.
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Tucker Carlson
Did that.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah. I said, no, if you look at this. And then I realized that story is true.
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Tucker Carlson
Just by the way. I never have talked about. I'm not going to talk about it now. But it's just, it's so interesting. They never called me. I would be the. I was the target of that assassination attempt. So you'd think that someone would ask me. They never did. Who was this employee?
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Jimmy Dore
You know what? I. It's a woman, and I can't think of her name, but I know she's been. I. As I looked into it, I'm like, oh, other people have called her out for being the mouthpiece of the intelligence community. And that's what her job. She's a fact checker. She used to be a librarian and now she's a fact checker for NBC News.
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Tucker Carlson
Brandy Zoni or something.
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Jimmy Dore
Something like that. She has like a Ukrainian sounding name. Uhhuh. And then I just got contacted then the next week, a place called Logically, Logically Fallacy or Logically False or some kind of international fact checking organization. And I. And they're saying, hey, you're spreading misinformation about this. And it was a satirical piece. I had done one of them and it was so funny. Do you guys know what satire is? Anyway, so I looked into who funds them. Right? Because that's the first thing you want to do is look into who funds them. And they were started off by a grant from mit, which we all know is CIA infested. And then they got Jeff Bezos, who's in bed with the CIA and wants to keep his billions and billions of dollars of contracts with the CIA. He also funded them. And then their two big clients, the UK government and the United States government, you're fact checking on behalf of the war machine. That's what that is.
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Tucker Carlson
If you're, by the way, if you're a government fact checker than you are by definition, like a liar.
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Jimmy Dore
Lord.
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Tucker Carlson
Haha. You're like a stooge. Yeah, you're Tokyo Rose. You're a lie. I mean, you're not only a liar, you're a collaborator.
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Jimmy Dore
Baghdad Bob.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, Baghdad Bob. Thank you.
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Jimmy Dore
That's what you are. That's what those people are. So what the. But I realized what was happening and it kind of scared me was that, oh, they're trying to get me. They're going to try and Russell Brand me. They're going to try to get me the platform so they can have all these articles about Jimmy Dore spreading misinformation and they can point and then. So then YouTube will go, oh, well, look at all this. We got to get rid of this guy. Look at all these fact checking organizations, which they did the same thing. So Facebook demonetized me because, you know, the big pharma funded fact checking organizations which is funded by the Johnson and Johnson. They said I was spreading misinformation about COVID which not. None of nothing, none of it was ever misinformation. It was all information. Again, you don't get in trouble for telling for lying. You get in trouble for telling the truth, which is what they did. They would write these, I mean, 20,000 word essays about how I lied about something. And it just came down to they didn't like my headline, they quibbled with my headline. That's called a quibble. That's not a fact check. Not one fact I got wrong. But then Facebook used that as, hey, they put a label on my story. This is misinformation. You better not share it. You better not even read it. You're gonna get in trouble. And you know, and then now Zuckerberg has come out and apologized. Yeah, I was pressured to do all this censoring and they're still doing it. They're not stopping. Like, I don't know why he's even did that, but they're still doing it. They still have those fake fact check organizations and if you look into them, they're being funded by a billionaire or they're with a political agenda or by a big pharma or a corpor somewhere that has a political agenda. They're not. Anybody calls themselves a fact checker is a liar. They're paid liars.
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Tucker Carlson
Of course, the, you know, the irony is it's always exactly the opposite of what they're telling you.
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Jimmy Dore
Yes. And if you, if you get your money from the government to fact Jack, the biggest liars are always the government. Of course, the second biggest liars is the corporate media. And third, and a distant third are randos on social, social media.
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Tucker Carlson
That's so true. I, I think anyone who uses the term misinformation, non, ironically, is, is part of the problem. And because that's not a real category, there are only two categories, true or false. Inconvenient for the people in power is not a meaningful category to me. I don't give a shit whether it's inconvenient.
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Jimmy Dore
Isn't that what, what isn't? What are the. One of them disinformation, I think is, it might be true, but it's inconvenient for the establishment or miss it.
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Tucker Carlson
All of them. It's true or false. Is it a lie or is it true? It's that simple. And it's, you know, when you start expanding the categories, it's like the genders. I'm sorry, I just like you get into fantasy, but it's fantasy concocted to protect the people in charge. I mean, so do you, do you feel, it feels to me just being in New York last night, like things are changing and Trump is at the, you know, the apex of the pyramid. But not sure how much it's about Trump. Maybe it is, maybe it's not. I'm not really sure. But I've noticed a lot of people who seem to have decided I'm just going to say what I think and I don't care anymore. Do you feel that?
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Jimmy Dore
What, what I will say is that when Bobby Kennedy joined Donald Trump and he did that at a and I think it was Glendale, Arizona. Yeah, he got introduced and he was up there talking about ending the billionaire billion dollar funded wars and investing that money back at home. He was talking about cleaning up our water supply and cleaning up our food supply and getting the corruption out of our captured agencies, the cdc, the fda. He was talking about taking on Big Agra. He was talking about confronting our obesity epidemic and the chronic illness that's been exploding. And there was a. Whether you think Donald Trump is serious about letting Bobby take over that agenda? Not. What was really interesting to me was that was a stadium full of Republican voters who were cheering that stuff on.
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Tucker Carlson
That's right.
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Jimmy Dore
And that's a. Traditionally that's supposed to be a Democrat. Was the last time you heard a Democratic politician talking about the captured regulatory agencies? Right. These are, these are things that the Democrat, these are what I would consider lefty issues. So what this message there, that's what really scares the establishment. Tucker is, for example, guy like me to see that and people who agree with that message, to see a room full of Republican voters also agree with that message. And we're like, hey, well, maybe we're not that different. Maybe we do have more in common and we share a common enemy. And that enemy is the oligarchy in the establishment that has been crushing us and poisoning us at the behest of Big Pharma and corporations and Big Agra for the last 50 years. They don't want us to realize that. You know, when Kamala Harris, when Dick Cheney endorses her, she says, oh, you know, we have more in common than divides us. She doesn't mean she has more in common with workers. She doesn't mean she has more in common with regular people or students or the. And she means she has more in common with neocon Republicans. She doesn't mean that we share. They share a common enemy. They are the common enemy. And so that's what I'll say about that. And I see, you know, I have a red line. I wish Donald Trump. You know, I was talking with Chris Hedges, I was interviewed on his show, and we were talking about how, you know, if it's Kamala Harris, it's Donald Trump, the same thing's happening in Palestine and Gaza. And I said, you know, weird thing is that someone's trying to kill Donald Trump, and it looks like it's the deep state, and so he must be a problem somehow. Right? So that. So that goes. That gives me hope in a weird way. I go, they're trying to kill him, so that's got to means something, right?
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Tucker Carlson
I definitely agree with that.
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Jimmy Dore
And they're not trying to kill her, and they're not trying to kill Joe Biden. And so there's got to be something.
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Tucker Carlson
The establishment has a very. I think they're unimpressive and they've done nothing to help our society, and I mean that. But the one thing they're really good at is sniffing out who means it, who's a threat. Their threat assessment is unerring. They know, like, they look at aoc, who's like, power to the people, power to the workers, and they're like, oh, yeah, she's one of us. Like, they know that's a lie. They know she doesn't mean it. And they look at someone like Tulsi who's like, you know, liberal chick from Hawaii, and they look at her and they're like, no, actually, you can't be in our party. Like, they could just feel it. You know what I mean? And the fact they want it almost doesn't matter what you say. They're like animals. And I mean this as a compliment. They detect the aroma. Like they know who's a threat. And I agree with you. Trying to kill Trump is like, let's establish as bonafides in my mind, you.
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Jimmy Dore
Know, that you bring up Tulsi and people forget what happened. She was a darling of the Democratic.
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Tucker Carlson
Party, vice chair of DNC when she.
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Jimmy Dore
Got to Washington, and then she decided to support. She. She didn't like the corporate money inside the party, and she decided to support Bernie Sanders.
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Tucker Carlson
Y.
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Jimmy Dore
Right. Which made her hated by half the party that supported. So there was half the party supported Bernie, half the. Half the Democratic Primary voters supported Bernie, half supported Hillary Clinton, so that half the party hated her. Right. And then she went on to tell the truth about the Syrian war.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes.
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Jimmy Dore
And tell the truth about the rest of our four choice wars of economic interest. And she lost the red. Then she ran against Joe Biden, and she ran against Bernie. So now the Bernie supporters turned on her, too. And that's why. So people need to remember what happened with T. I just try to remind people. And now I disagree with Tulsi's view on a lot of things. Israel is the big one. But I don't forget why people. Again, just like with you, she got in trouble because she told the truth about Syria, because she told the truth about Ukraine, because she told the truth about the Democratic Party cheating Bernie Sanders and the corporate control of their party. That was. Again, you don't get in trouble for lying. She got in trouble for telling the truth.
- [63:36]
Tucker Carlson
That is absolutely right. And they knew. They could smell it her. Right away, she got back from that trip to see Assad, and I, I was so out of it. I was like, what's wrong with that?
- [63:44]
Jimmy Dore
She's on the Foreign Relations Committee.
- [63:46]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, exactly. And she wasn't. I mean, I don't. I never understood why we were against Assad in the first place. I never had strong feelings about Assad. He protected the Christians in Syria. I don't know. That seemed like a good reason to at least be neutral. Whatever. I just didn't. I wasn't that interested in the topic. I'm American, right. So it's not my world. I'm not living in the Levant in my head. But when she did that, I remember, I mean, they were just like, no, they hated her more than they hated any Republican. I was really struck by that.
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Jimmy Dore
So there's a theory that the reason why the Syrian war happened was because they wanted to put a pipeline from, was it Qatar or Saudi Arabia, right through Syria. And of course, Syria was aligned with Russia and they didn't want it. And so they wanted to get rid of Assad so they could do that. And, you know, the CIA was backing, you know, ISIS and Al Qaeda, actually literally funding them. Right. In a dirty war in Syria. Right. One of the most expensive dirty wars they've ever done. And it was all, of course, and.
- [64:47]
Tucker Carlson
Without question, the most immoral is you're funding ISIS and Al Qaeda.
- [64:50]
Jimmy Dore
Yes.
- [64:51]
Tucker Carlson
You're not on our side.
- [64:52]
Jimmy Dore
No.
- [64:53]
Tucker Carlson
And yet our government did that with our money. And Tulsi is, if I'm recalling this correctly, sponsored a piece of legislation that basically just said we're not allowed to use US tax dollars to fund isis. They were like, shut up. Extremist.
- [65:05]
Jimmy Dore
That's right. Yeah, right winger. That was insane.
- [65:10]
Tucker Carlson
So what happens?
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Jimmy Dore
I mean, it was so bad, Tucker, in Syria, that the Pentagon would be funding one terrorist organization and the CIA would be funding another terrorist organization and then they would fight each other inside Syria. And how do I know that? Because it got printed in the LA Times. That's how obvious it was. But again, that doesn't, that it's not, it's on page 37, it's not on page one, it's not the lead story of the news. In fact, it never makes the TV news. And all they do is show you pictures of them cutting a guy's head off with a butch kitchen knife. Remember when that was the big thing? Very well, on cable, I remember I'm watching Chris Matthews and they would show an ISIS guy cutting someone's head off with a kitchen knife. And Chris Matthews like, the President's got to do something, he's got to do something. That's exactly how propaganda works. And they're like, look, they're barbarians. And my response was, yeah, why don't they blow their heads off with a nice Christian bomb made by Christians in a Christian bomb factory? Because that's what Jesus would do.
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Tucker Carlson
We did an interview with a woman called Casey Means. She's a Stanford educated surgeon and really one of the most remarkable people I have ever met. In the interview, she explained how the food that we eat, produced by huge food companies, big food in conjunction with pharma, is destroying our health, making this a weak and sick country. The levels of chronic disease are beyond belief. What Casey Means, who we've not stopped thought, thinking about ever since, is the co founder of a healthcare technology company called Levels. And we are proud to announce today that we are partnering with Levels. And by proud, I mean sincerely Proud. Levels is a really interesting company and a great product. It gives you insight into what's going on inside your body, your metabolic health. It helps you understand, understand how the food that you're eating, the things that you're doing every single day, are affecting your body in real time. You put stuff in your mouth. Speaking for myself anyway. And you don't think about it. You have no idea what you're putting in your mouth and you have no idea what it's doing to your body. But over time you feel weak and tired and spacey and over an even longer period of time, you can get really sick. So it's worth knowing what the food you eat is doing to you. The Levels app works with something called a continuous glucose monitor, a cgm. You can get one as part of the plan, or you can bring your own. It doesn't matter. But the bottom line is big tech, big pharma, and big food combine together to form an incredibly malevolent force pumping you full of garbage, unhealthy food with artificial sugars and hurting you and hurting the entire country. So with levels, you'll be able to see immediately what all this is doing to you. You get access to real time, personalized data, and that's a critical step to changing your behavior. Those of us who like Oreos can tell you firsthand, this isn't talking to your doctor in an annual physical, looking backwards about things you did in the past. This is up to the second information on how your body is responding to different foods and activities, the things that give you stress, your sleep, et cetera, et cetera. It's easy, easy to use. It gives you powerful personalized health data. And then you can make much better choices about how you feel. And over time, it'll have a huge effect. Right now, you can get an additional two free months when you go to Levels Link Tucker. That's Levels link Tucker. This is the beginning of what we hope will be a long and happy partnership with levels. And Dr. Casey means. Can I just ask, I don't want to get too far afield, but since you've been watching this stuff for so long, whatever happened to Chris Matthews? He was like a dutiful soldier for the.
- [68:59]
Jimmy Dore
He got me, too.
- [69:00]
Tucker Carlson
But why? I mean, I worked in television my whole life, so I know for a fact that a lot of people could have been me too, but it was Chris Matthews and they just crushed him in one day. Why?
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Jimmy Dore
I saw. I found a video. It's good question. I found a video of him on, I think, election night, some election night. And Rachel Maddow sitting there saying, you know, the Trump's victory, the Republican victory is all about racism and hatred and racism. And he was like, no, you know, if you go through Wisconsin and you see that, you know, the diners close and there's this thing and the people and the. And he made an economic case for what was happening. And I was like, that's what happened. That's what happened.
- [69:39]
Tucker Carlson
Amazing.
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Jimmy Dore
Because he actually slipped up and told the truth once, right? Just like Jon Stewart when he slipped up and told you the truth about the COVID virus, then I guess Chris Matthews didn't get his mind. Right. Or they had to make an example out of him, because that's what. That was fascinating.
- [69:53]
Tucker Carlson
Oh, I'm so glad I asked that question.
- [69:55]
Jimmy Dore
Yeah.
- [69:55]
Tucker Carlson
So there's a zero tolerance policy for certain truths. I mean, absolute zero tolerance. Like you can spend 40 years if you're Chris Matthews carrying water for a bunch of dumb politics, politicians, pretty reliably. And then you say one thing about economics. That's true. And you're done.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah. And. Or look at, you know, look at Mehdi Hassan. He thought he was insulated because he lied about the Syrian war, he lied about the Ukraine war, he lied about COVID he lied about Russiagate. He did all that for the establishment. So he thought that had bought him some. A little insulation to tell a little truth about Palestine. And no, you're fired. And that was that. You know what I'm talking about.
- [70:35]
Tucker Carlson
I do, yeah.
- [70:35]
Jimmy Dore
And that was, he's like, no, dummy. You don't get to tell even a little bit of truth, especially one that's consequential.
- [70:42]
Tucker Carlson
So do you think, I mean, it just looks like if you look at the Rogan numbers, for example, or your numbers, for example, it does feel like the era of those news organizations, which I will never stop being angry at because I worked at them, but it does feel like their era is over.
- [70:59]
Jimmy Dore
Well, it's funny is that my numbers keep going up, up on, on rumble. YouTube has. I'm considered borderline content.
- [71:09]
Tucker Carlson
Really?
- [71:09]
Jimmy Dore
Yeah. Oh, yeah. And so they have ratcheted down the algorithm on me, even though I still managed to get between 15 and 20 million views a month. I used to was, I was getting 24, 25. Now they've gotten me ratcheted down to 15. And, you know, I, I, I remember I had a discussion with some people at YouTube and I'm like, hey, this isn't a. What's going on? Is there, Is there anything. I said, I'm on bended knee. Is there anything I can do to get this, to get off this algorithm that I've been put on out? And it just got way worse during the election season. And the response was, well, it's the election season, and so, you know, everybody's numbers in this space are down. I'm like, that's like saying I should be selling that's like saying I should be selling less, less, less toys during Christmas season.
- [72:00]
Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
- [72:00]
Jimmy Dore
I mean, this is my numbers to.
- [72:01]
Tucker Carlson
Be going through less ice cream in August.
- [72:03]
Jimmy Dore
So, I mean, understand YouTube got the hell scared out of them in 2017 because we are a Threat. Like, now you're independent, I'm independent. We are a threat to the New York Times, to msnbc. We do get more higher ratings and especially Joe Rogan. That's why they come at them so hard, is because we're a threat to their business model, so they have to discredit us. And the way they do it is they scare the advertisers away from shows like ours. Right? That's the. I mean, there's a story that just came out. That's how they wanted to. The Labour Party in the UK had a plan to kill Elon Musk's Twitter by scaring advertisers away. Right. And so that's exactly what they did. It was called the Adpocalypse. It happened on YouTube in 2017, and it's been a tough slog ever since, but we still break through. People still are hungry for. They're just hungry for honesty. Right. Even, like I say, I would say half my audience doesn't share a lot of my politics, but they appreciate that I'm not lying to them and that I don't call them racists or. And I don't hate them, I respect them and that I tell them, we share, we. We all want the same things, but we just have different ways of getting there.
- [73:14]
Tucker Carlson
No, I. Well, I feel that way about you. I mean, I actually do agree with a lot of what you say. Not all, of course, but I think you're sincere and serious and brave. And those are the three qualities that, you know, I look for in my friends and in people I trust in media. Why wouldn't I? Sincerely, not lying to me. Maybe wrong, but not lying. Serious, like, trying to. Honestly, like, what are the big issues? What actually matters? I think that's important. And brave. Not going to get pushed around, like, I don't know. I don't think it's that hard. Right.
- [73:47]
Jimmy Dore
I mean, they've certainly tried to push me around. You know, they. I got. When I spoke at the UN Security Council, I was invited to speak on the anniversary of the Nord Stream B pipeline bombing. And so I. That's the. Funny.
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Tucker Carlson
That's the funniest act of industrial terrorism in history because Putin did it. Putin is so evil that he blew up his own pipeline.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah. He's not an evil genius. He's an evil. I guess he blew up his number one economic stream. But so when I did, and I, you know, I spoke in blunt language to the Security Council about, you know, if you think Russia did this, you're either a paid Lie or a dupe. And on my way. So I did that via Zoom, because I was in Europe at the time, and on my way home on the plane, my computer and my icloud account got hacked, and it was from Pegasus. Right. Now, Pegasus was invented by the Mossad, and it's very expensive if you want to get it costs millions of dollars, and they can. Anyway, I remember when I got off the plane, I called my IT guy who used to be a security specialist for the military, and I told him what happened, and he was like, oh, my God, Jimmy. He goes, even I couldn't do that. He said, this wasn't a person. This was a state actor for sure. And. And I said, well, maybe I shouldn't have given that speech at the Security Council. And he laughed, and I go, no, I just did that. He goes, oh, my God. That's what this is.
- [75:13]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah, of course.
- [75:14]
Jimmy Dore
And so that was. And then, you know, they also put my name in that list of that. That kill list. Ukraine. Right. Has that kill list, which.
- [75:21]
Tucker Carlson
Been there.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, you're on. And so these are the. And so now they have everything. So if they. They want to turn it on me, they've got everything that was ever on my hard drive. Everything's on my computer, my phone, on my icloud account. So they. If they want to compromise me, they got a lot of stuff. They've got a lot of stuff and stuff. And if they're. And of course they'll plant it on there. Right. If it's. If it's not, you know, they'll. They'll make it. They'll make me look however they want to make me look.
- [75:50]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah. I mean, I. I don't have a computer, and I try and stay off the Internet for that exact reason. And I just want to say I envy you out loud many times that I. I think kitty porn is wrong. And I think. I'm not into pornography in general. And I just want to say. I mean, I. You see these people without even naming names, but one of whom I know personally, it's like all of a sudden, you know, you're in the kitty porn. Okay. Right.
- [76:15]
Jimmy Dore
Yeah, yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
No, I mean, for sure, for sure. I mean, I've seen it. I know having been the target of that stuff, and you don't want to whine about it. I never want to seem like I'm whining. I have a great life, and I feel really privileged to have the job that I do. But, no, there's heavy, very heavy stuff going on.
- [76:32]
Jimmy Dore
There's No, I just always wanted to be a comedian. I. Honest to God, Tucker, I just wanted to be a comedian and be able to sell tickets and tour and have people like me because I was, was, I was funny.
- [76:42]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
- [76:42]
Jimmy Dore
That's all I ever wanted. And somehow. Well, I did. When I did my special in 2008, it was called Citizen Jimmy on Comedy Central. And that got some attention. And so I just got. It was the Iraq war that made me get interested. Like, I couldn't believe how bad the cable news was reporting this stuff. So I just started talking about it in my act, and a lot of people reacted positively to it. And when I started, I got offered my own public radio show in Los Angeles on kpf, jfk. And I started just, you know, doing what I do now because. And I realized that I could do it way better than anybody in the corporate news because I don't, I don't have that mind control that they. First of all, they pre select those people. That's like I said, they come from Ivy League. You know, there's two types of people who go to journalism school. Dupes and bad journalists. And.
- [77:35]
Tucker Carlson
Couldn't agree more.
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Jimmy Dore
And they all come from the same class.
- [77:38]
Tucker Carlson
Never hired one.
- [77:39]
Jimmy Dore
And good.
- [77:40]
Tucker Carlson
In 30 years of, you know, being in more than 30 years being this business, I've never hired a single person.
- [77:45]
Jimmy Dore
Journalism school, it's a trade, not a profession.
- [77:49]
Tucker Carlson
It's, it's, by the way, the most straightforward trade there is.
- [77:52]
Jimmy Dore
Yes. And they want you back, you know, make you like, yo, you're not a professional. I've had people, you know, say that. So you, you're not a journalist. I'm like all a journalist is, is as it was described to me, is you stick your head and you take a look down the street and you report back what you saw.
- [78:07]
Tucker Carlson
That's exactly right.
- [78:08]
Jimmy Dore
That's all journalism is.
- [78:09]
Tucker Carlson
And you do it, you know, with some, with a high level of honesty and a dollop of courage. And that's. But it's just not hard. If you're really smart, you can fix air conditioners. If you're less smart, you can do journalism. I mean, no, that's, that's real.
- [78:20]
Jimmy Dore
That's such a great way to put it. That's really funny. Well, it's true.
- [78:24]
Tucker Carlson
It's so. But what. Okay, so I'm interested and I think you might know the answer. If Trump wins in a week, a little over a week, and I think he will. What?
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Jimmy Dore
I don't see how they're going to let him win. I don't if they would overthrow governments in every other part of the world and rig elections and do coups, Juan Guaido and the whole. And Zelensky and I mean, they're willing to start a nuclear war. Why wouldn't they be willing to rig an election?
- [78:53]
Tucker Carlson
Well, I think they have and they're trying.
- [78:55]
Jimmy Dore
Yeah.
- [78:56]
Tucker Carlson
But I think maybe, you know, there's a, there's a level of popular support that's just hard to hide. And I think we're reaching that point. But. Okay, let's, let's start at the. My assumption first then. And then we'll return to your. So let's say Trump does win on November 5th and, you know, he wins all seven battlegrounds. Maybe he gets the majority of the popular vote. Maybe he gets the majority of Hispanic vote. I mean, markers like that, that are kind of hard to lie away. Right. Even if you're Joe Scarborough. Like, what do you do with a number like that? How does the Democratic Party respond or the establishment respond?
- [79:32]
Jimmy Dore
I bet they just double down on everything that they really. Yeah. Are you kidding? Yeah. They lost him the first time. And I'm like, well, this, this is going to force them to change. It didn't. They got, they invented Russiagate. They ramped up the racism. They.
- [79:47]
Tucker Carlson
So unhealthy if you fail. I've been fired a lot and I drank, drinking problem. Like I, they. But that's when you stop and you say, like, how did this happen? How was I part of this disaster? What bad choices did I make? To what extent was it my fault? You have to do that. That's what it is to be an adult. Right. You can't always blame other people for your problems.
- [80:06]
Jimmy Dore
They're. It's amazing how many people aren't adults. That's what, that's what Covid taught. Taught me. That's what Russia Gate taught me. That's what every January 6th, Syria, Ukraine, I mean, it's amazing. People are propagandizing. They don't think they are. That's the problem. Them, they think and oh, I had something to tell you about it, but I can't remember. But when he, when he won the.
- [80:27]
Tucker Carlson
First time in 16, I thought that.
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Jimmy Dore
Was going to make them change it. They just got way worse. They got. And chaos and I mean, why do you think there's an open border? There's many reasons. One is we can't meet our recruiting goals for the military.
- [80:39]
Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
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Jimmy Dore
And that.
- [80:40]
Tucker Carlson
Thank you for saying that.
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Jimmy Dore
That's what this is. That's, that's a big Part of what this is, and I'm not making that up, Dick Durbin said it on this floor, Senate floor, in to a camera that that's what this, that we got to have these immigrants so we can meet our recruiting.
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Tucker Carlson
Let's give them guns. Yeah. They're not going to be a tool of, of the state against the population. And then the Pentagon makes it legal for the military to murder American citizens. Are you joking?
- [81:03]
Jimmy Dore
Yep. And, and another part is, of course.
- [81:06]
Tucker Carlson
No one says anything about it.
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Jimmy Dore
It's as soon as unions start to get some power, right, they open the border and flood the country with immigrants. And so now we have workers, desperate poor workers. Now their ire is turned towards even more desperate people, right? So we put sanctions on Venezuela and to try to overthrow their government because turns out there's more oil underneath Venezuela than there is Saudi Arabia. And so all of a sudden we got to bring their people some democracy. And why don't we let Venezuela work it out? Because we don't want to let them work it out. We want to install a puppet so we get their natural resources. So we put sanctions on. And the whole point of sanctions is to make the people who live there miserable. So they get so miserable. And the idea is they'll rise up and overthrow their leader and then we can install a puppet. It's never worked. Not one time, not one time has it worked. They're trying to do it to Iran. Not going to work.
- [82:05]
Tucker Carlson
Russia.
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Jimmy Dore
And Russia, it's not working. And so those people then do become miserable, and then they flood our own country as immigrants and they fly some of them in on jets, you know, and same thing with Haiti. We've been wrecking their economy. And, you know, I mean, Hillary Clinton made sure they didn't get a minimum wage, right? And she. It's unbelievable what we've done. We've stolen their natural resources. We've stolen their. We've occupied their country. Right now Joe Biden is bribing the corrupt government of Kenya to send their peacekeepers over to Haiti because the war, the people are coming together in Haiti to realize that they have more in common and to oppose these puppet regime. And so Joe Biden does want to send the Marines, he literally gave $400 million to Kenya. You send your people, go break up this up. So what my point is, do people come to America and the mistake is to turn your ire towards the immigrant, which is what the establishment wants, right? I would do exactly. If I was in Venezuela, I'd get the hell out of there and come here and try to get a job. If I was in Haiti, I'd get the hell out of there and try to come here and get a job. Especially if I'm being encouraged to. Which they are paid to do it. Paid to do it. Yeah. So the key is make sure you don't lose your focus, come together, and keep your eye on the establishment that's creating those desperate people and opening the border and creating chaos. And let's remember, chaos always favors the establishment. And so it makes you. This isn't different. Mao did a very similar thing that he split. He did divide and conquer.
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Tucker Carlson
Can I say, chaos always favors the establishment? Yes, chaos, always.
- [83:49]
Jimmy Dore
And if you feel like you're living in a chaotic country, it's because it's intentional and it's so true.
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Tucker Carlson
Sorry I interrupt you, but I just want that to hang in the air for a second because I think that's really wise and it's worth Remembering, you know, 10 days out from a presidential election.
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Jimmy Dore
Yes.
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Tucker Carlson
We did a live tour last month. One of the funnest things we've ever done. Coast to coast, 16 different cities speaking. Well, next week, our grand finale, Halloween, Oct. 31, 2024, in Glendale, Arizona. Our special guest that night, days before the presidential election, Donald Trump. All proceeds donated to hurricane relief. We're proud to do it. Hope to see you. So what. I'm sorry, I interrupted. Tell me what Mao did.
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Jimmy Dore
How did he use Ko? Well, he. He split the people up into the good people and the bad people. And the good people were the people who did what they were supposed to. Right. And if everybody just did what they were supposed to, we'd have this utopia. And. But we can't have it because the bad people won't do it. Right. Well, just. Just like with COVID right now, Rob Schneider makes this point right, in his book, which is fantastic, that, like, during COVID it was like we could get out of this pandemic if those bad people would just take a vaccine, which was always a lie. You could never vaccinate your way out of this pandemic. You could never get rid of the coronavirus, and they couldn't. But that was a lie. But that kept them. And then. So that's how it kept people divided and conquer. And that's what it. So that's what's going on. Right. Why can Gavin Newsom all of a sudd sudden clean up homelessness in San Francisco when he's having the President of China visit? But he can't do it before and he certainly can't do it after. I mean, of course. So chaos favors the estate. They want it that way. They want people living under bridges. They want you being accosted by meth heads when you're going to the 7 11. They want you begging for authority. They want you to be willing to give up freedoms just like people were during COVID You know, Arnold Schwarzenegger, screw your freedom. Remember that?
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Tucker Carlson
Famously, he said, get out of our country.
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Jimmy Dore
Screw your freedom.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, I agree.
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Jimmy Dore
What? That. Why. Why would I want to screw my freedom? That. Because that's exactly what mo did. You split everybody up.
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Tucker Carlson
The Austrian rose to the surface, in short.
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Jimmy Dore
And. So that's what. That's what this is. And they want us not coming. It's true. Like me and you coming together on Syria, on Ukraine, on Covid. This. This is a threat to the establishment. They have to divide and conquer. They can't let that happen. I just one time, I remember, I interviewed. I think it was during the Black Lives Matter riots. I interviewed. There was a guy I saw at the Michigan Capitol, and he was a boogaloo boy. Now, the boogaloo boy was. They were a response to the proud boys, right? So they didn't want to be associated with them. They were anti war. They were anti police brutality. They were actually. They provided security for Black Lives Matter protesters. And he went to the Capitol, gave a speech. We have more in common than separates us. We are brothers. We have common interests. And he was there with someone from an LGBTQ organization. He was there with a Black Lives Matter person and a boogaloo boy. So I interviewed that boogaloo boy. That was the worst thing I could have ever done. They came at me like I had never been come after I had written articles about me. Jimmy Dore is the leader of the dirtbag left, and he's in bed with alt right and these right wing and Nazis. And. Yeah. And I was like, no, no, no. I just interviewed a guy who, by the way, the dirty secret is those guys, like, those boogaloo boys used to be Democratic voters 25 years ago, and they're not anymore. And they don't want you to ever talk about why they're not anymore because they've been turned. Their backs have been. The Democratic Party turned their back on them, right? And so I brought that guy on, and I got murdered on social media, corporate news pieces, hit jobs, people. It was videos made about me to the they. And all I did was. I remember, I tweeted out and go, hey, I just interviewed a boogaloo boy. We agree on war, we agree on lgbtq, we agree on black lives, we agree on all that. Go. Isn't that weird? And I got ratioed. I got, you know, I trended for probably a week. They could not. The establishment cannot have that. They cannot have you coming together. And that's the message. That's my message, is, no, you're not my enemy. You're my neighbor. And you are hurting just like I am. We're under the same. You know, just like during COVID is what I tell people during my show. You know, the establishment did a controlled demolition of our economy, which flattened everybody except a handful of millionaires and billionaires. And they want me to be angry and hate my neighbor for the pain I'm feeling because of that. Because they wouldn't take a vaccine that didn't work the way they said it did in the first place. Well, I'm not going to hate my neighbor. I'm going to join with my neighbor because we share a common enemy. And that's the only way to get this out of this hellhole in this death spiral that our country's on right now. We're in the end stage Republic and people don't realize that. They think Trump's the problem, then Trump is a problem. Trump is a people willing to vote for. Trump is a system of a uni party problem that has been squashing workers for the last 50 years. I've had people say to me, you know, Jimmy, January 6th undermined our democracy. And I'm like, you know, you're adorable. Because we don't live in a democracy. We live in a flat out oligarchy, which was proven by a Princeton study over 10 years ago. Your democracy was stolen by corporations 50, 50 years ago. When are you going to get pissed off about that?
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Tucker Carlson
Is it that people don't want to see how deep the rod is, how big the problem is? It's just too much for them to metabolize.
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Jimmy Dore
Why it's hard for them to believe that Barack Obama was a problem. Like, oh, wait a minute, he's, you know, I've had people, he's the best president of my lifetime. No, he was the best speaker. He was. He made you feel good. He was. Again. There's a reason why he got more money from Wall street than John McCain. It was a reason why he instituted a right wing healthcare plan. It was a reason why he let the. He let them play it out at dapl. It was a reason why he dropped more bombs than George Bush. It was a Reason why he destroyed Libya. He destroyed Libya. And he's like, oh, that was a mistake. You know, and they're gonna. They're gonna prosecute people who. A lot of them peacefully protested on January 6, but Dick Cheney, they go, oh, it's about the rule of law. Why does Dick Cheney and George Bush still walk to Europe? You know, Barack Obama was supposed to prosecute them. Cause they ordered a worldwide torture program. Right. Which is a war. And Barack Obama's constitutionally required to prose them, and he didn't. And the public reason he gave was because he said all those torture crimes happened in the past, and Barack Obama was looking towards the future. And, well, when I heard that, I felt a lot better because all the crimes I've committed, they're in the past, too. I'm glad we're not prosecuting past crimes. I bet those people in prison are pissed off they committed their crimes in the future.
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Tucker Carlson
But even that we're having this conversation, and I'm not just saying this to inject a note of optimism, but because I. I think I believe it. The fact that we're having this conversation suggests that the level of consciousness is very different from what it was.
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Jimmy Dore
I think Covid woke people up.
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly. So how. How can you.
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Jimmy Dore
What happened to monkeypox? What happened to bird flu? Did they. Was those test balloons? Do you think people go along with it? And then people did, and they're like, all right, get rid of it.
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Tucker Carlson
No, but that's the thing. I just. I don't think people are going to go along. I mean, if they come back, you know, in eight days or whenever it is on November 6, and say, you know, Kamala Harris is historic first. She's just incredibly popular, got more votes than Barack Obama. I'm just going to say, no, that didn't happen. Like, you're lying. And I'm sick of having to go along being bullied into repeating your lies. And I think a lot of people are in that frame of mind also.
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Jimmy Dore
Do you. Well, you see, the media is getting more panicked, and they're getting more.
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Tucker Carlson
They should be panicked.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah. You see what's going on.
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Tucker Carlson
They're quizlings. They're collaborators with the totalitarian regime. And they should be panic 100%.
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Jimmy Dore
Right? And you see the things they want to focus on instead of what they. What people want them to focus on. You see, when MSNBC will go and do. They'll interview some regular voters in, like, Wisconsin or Michigan, and they keep bringing up. They'll bring up January 6th, and people are like what? What are you talking about? Like that doesn't affect my life.
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Tucker Carlson
Who cares?
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Jimmy Dore
Who cares about that? Do you know who does care about that? You. The liberals, the media. And then the people who watch that media are taught that they're supposed to care because we almost lost our democracy, which again, I already pointed out, you don't live in a democracy. You're a chump.
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Tucker Carlson
It was unarmed. You can't have an unarmed insurrection. These were old ladies deep in debt with diabetes who believed in the Constitution. You could say they were wrong to think the election was stolen. Okay, that's a real debate. Happy to have that debate. But they believe that they were not sinister.
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Jimmy Dore
That was an FBI. Yes. That was just a regular riot that was allowed to happen and encouraged to happen by the FBI plants in the crowd. And how do I know that? Well, because Christopher Ray, the head of the FBI, was under congressional test testimony and he was asked, did you have FBI assets dressed up as MAGA supporters inside the Capitol before the ride started? And he said, I can't answer that question. Which means yes, the answer should be no. Which is what the Congressman said. The answer should be no.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, the answer should be we're not going to continue to fund your agency if you don't answer the question. And we're certainly not going to build you a brand new building. Which they did. Which speaker of the House Mike Johnson signed off on to his eternal shame. One of the many things for which he should be ashamed anyway. But yeah, no, it's. But again, we're kind of proving the point that underlies my question, which is everybody kind of knows what's up now. So how can you continue?
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Jimmy Dore
I hope so. I just hope so because we travel in different circles. Right. And you know, I'm in liberal Hollywood and you're other places really showing your people are still. They're hypnotized. They're in a train France even now. Yeah. Look at the media. I mean, they think the media is real. They think it's the news. Yes. In Hollywood. Yes. Yes. In Los Angeles.
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Tucker Carlson
What happens when you're at a dinner party and you start dropping stuff like this?
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Jimmy Dore
Invited to dinner parties.
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, is that true?
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
You're eating sushi alone in Ventura Boulevard.
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Jimmy Dore
That's correct. That's correct. Yes. No, I mean, I, I hang out with other heretics, you know. Really? Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
You do want. Like, how could you still be hypnotized after all of like I get, okay, this virus shows up from China. You think it's, you know, got a 50% death rate or whatever. People are afraid. I understand. But you know, four years later, really, you still think that's real?
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Jimmy Dore
You know what the real death rate was? 0.27%. It was like less than half a percent. And you know, that's the thing about Bill Gates, right? He, he wants to make it, by the way, illegal to misinform, right? He's like, well, we always had, we've always had restrictions on free. And he talks with his hands, which is first sign of a liar. And he's saying, he's talking like, I don't know, I'm making it up. But he, he does have like o grandiose hand gestures, which is it. That's, that's, it is a bad sign. He, and he says, he said, we've always had restrictions on speech. You know, you can't threat one's life and you know, you shouldn't be allowed to misinform someone on vaccines to make them hesitant. What did you just conflate? You just conflated death threats against someone and talking about the vaccine. Do you see that? And he's the number one investor and so people don't know this, but as soon as Bill gates, he invested $50 million in Pfizer and then it went up during COVID and he cashed out at $550 million. And as soon as he cashed out, he started on the vaccine. I don't know if you saw the video, but he was, I play this on my show all the time. He said, well, we didn't know at the beginning that it had a low fatality rate and that it affected mostly just the elderly, kind of like the flu, but a bit different now. They don't play that on msnbc, cnn. Fuck, they don't play that anywhere, right? I play it on my show, right, which is why I'm borderline content. And, but there it is, I mean, and, And I'm like, well, why would. And he's like, yeah, there was a lot of problems with the vaccine. They weren't infection blocking. They didn't long term, they. And I'm like, whoa, whoa. All he had to do was cash in his stock and he starts telling the truth. But I'm, I'm like, I bet there's something else up. And soon enough, or immediately after that, he started selling this new vaccine that you inhaled through your nose. And he said, these are better, these are infection blocking and these are long lasting. And I'm like. And I'm like, well, let's see. He's invested in the company that's making that out of India.
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Tucker Carlson
But why. I mean, this is the point where I get religious, because I don't understand why someone like Bill Gates or Larry Fink or really any of these people who have multiple billion dollars would care about making more money.
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Jimmy Dore
I think that's a really disease.
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Tucker Carlson
Like, that is money worship. I'm not against being rich. I like making money, I guess, but not that much. But some. I like not being in debt. Okay. I get that I want people to have more money, but if you've got billions of dollars, like, why would you spend any time making more? I think that's really sick.
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Jimmy Dore
Well, that. I think that, you know, it becomes a. It's a game to these. It's. That's what gives their life meaning. Where there's. There. They don't have any other meaning. Right. I mean, except for, you know, covering up his trips to Jeffrey Epstein's island.
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Tucker Carlson
They don't have any other meaning.
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Jimmy Dore
What? There's nothing. What else is there? And it's control. He's a. He's a maniac, right? That people, because he wears a crew neck sweater and glasses, they think he's a nerd. And he's a good person, you know, so just like, girl, just like Rachel Maddow wouldn't lie to you. She's. She's gay. Gay people don't lie. Chris Hayes is a nerd. He wouldn't lie to you. That's why they got those people.
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Tucker Carlson
He's trans.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, that's why they got those people. Because they. Exactly. Though you wouldn't think they would lie to you, and that's why they hired them and then they go along. So same thing with Bill Gates. I mean, he wasn't an inventor. He wasn't particular, but he was a good monopolist and he knew how to crush other businesses. He didn't write the code. He bought the code, and he knew how to become a monopolist. Right. There were times when people were throwing pies in his face. Do you remember that?
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Tucker Carlson
Very well.
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Jimmy Dore
And the media had turned against him, and so he had like, well, I can't let this happen. So then he started, by the hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars, he started buying off media companies and he started starting journalism schools and people. Yeah. Stuff like that. So, like, for instance, PBS NewsHour didn't have, like, a science segment. He funded it. Right. And so then they. He would.
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Tucker Carlson
Bill Gates funded PBS science coverage.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah. So he's there funding the creation of the research for a vaccine. He then funds the coverage of that and then he funds the NGO that's going to distribute the vaccine. I mean he's got it coming and going. You know that he co opted the media. That's why he's seen as a media darling now. People think he's a great guy. You know, I've had again people say, Jimmy, he's just trying to end malaria in Africa. He's trying to. He said, I'm like, well if you listen to exactly what has happened and why there's certain country countries that don't want to do business. In fact, I think there's lawsuits against him in other countries. And if what he actually did in, what he actually did in Africa, listen to Bobby Kennedy, he'll tell you what. I'm not an expert on it, but I've listened to Bobby Kennedy talk and it's nefarious, it's gross and it's egregious. So I think he's just a megalomaniac. And yeah, I think that that doesn't go away, right? That, that he, that's, that's where he gets his life meaning from.
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Tucker Carlson
But these, I guess what I'm saying.
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Jimmy Dore
Is, I mean what about Jeff Bezos? He hasn't made enough money. He, he's not stopping Bill Gates. Jeff, I mean, come on, what do.
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Tucker Carlson
You make of speaking of Bezos and.
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Jimmy Dore
All these guys who care about global warming like Jeff Zuckerberg or Mark Zuckerberg, you see his new yacht, it's because he cares about global warming, because he cares about. It's got four diesel engines on it, but I bet, I bet it's. He's got an electric stove on it.
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Tucker Carlson
You, I mean, well, I mean, I think the purpose of those yachts is, well, to go to the south of France in the summertime, which is fun, but also it's to escape the mess that they're making now.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, obviously. But Zuckerberg's is 5ft shorter than Bezos because, you know, he's a man of the people.
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Tucker Carlson
So what do you make? So Bezos paper, the Washington Post, which is the official organ of the intel agency season, has been for many, many decades, refused to endorse Kamal Harris. And Bezos has taken, you know, Bob Kagan, one of the dumbest people in Washington, Toria N's husband, former coworker of mine, truly a mouth breather, like an idiot. But he resigns in protest because democracy is dying in darkness because they didn't endorse Carmela Harris or something. What you make of all this?
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Jimmy Dore
Well, it's funny to watch the liberal class wake up to the fact that, hey, maybe it's not a good idea to have a handful of billionaires run our media. You mean he's doing this for business interests? Yes, that's why he's doing this, because he wants to have to continue his billions and billions of dollars of contracts with the CIA and the government, and he's afraid that Trump will step in the way of that. Plus he's now wanted to do the space. That's why Elon Musk is a threat to him. Right. And doing contracts with the government for space exploration and that kind of stuff. That's what this is about. That's exactly what this is about. And so same thing happened with the LA Times. You know, they're like, oh, there's another billionaire that owns. Maybe we shouldn't have billionaires. And so it's. They were okay with it as long as he was going along. Do you think Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post because he's committed to the truth? Are you kidding me? He's got there because he needs to manufacture consent. He's got that because he wants to control the narrative. That's what that about. And as long as it went along with their hate, they were okay with it. Right.
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Tucker Carlson
And how does this coalition, the Democratic coalition, hold together? It's got a bunch of different component parts. Rich white ladies obviously being the pivotal component, but lots of others, poor black people, immigrants, gays.
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Jimmy Dore
But it is falling apart.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, those. Here's just my meta view of it as a complete outsider. These are groups don't have common interests, so I'm not really sure other than like hating straight white men, which is not really a reason to have a party over time. It's not that interesting or meaningful really. What, like how could you hold that coalition together?
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Jimmy Dore
They're, they're just doing it with propaganda and hatred and the fear. Right. Fear works and.
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Tucker Carlson
But is it falling apart?
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Jimmy Dore
Well, I, I'm pretty sure I saw a headline the other day that said that Trump is winning the Hispanic vote.
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Tucker Carlson
That's like un. I mean, yeah, that's incredible.
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Jimmy Dore
Like, just, he's, he's not making the most gains. I, I'm pretty sure. Correct, fact check me on that. But you know, more black people are voting for him than any other Republican and it's, it's. Hopefully people are waking up that the Democratic rule isn't materially improving their lives. And I think a lot of people, I think, has been. I mean, are against illegal immigration.
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, big time. And big time they are.
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Jimmy Dore
That's. Then that's for real. Oh, yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
For lots of different reasons, moral and practical, they're against it. And how patronizing to assume that you'd be for crime just because you share the same sounding last name as the people committing it. It's, like, insane. That's so. Talk about racist.
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Jimmy Dore
Well, what is? You know, the whole thing of that, which I'm surprised Trump doesn't make a bigger deal out of, is that Trump did the Step act, which released a lot of nonviolent black people from prison, which is the opposite of what Joe Biden and Kamala Harris did. Joe Biden wrote the crime bill. He still brags about it, won't apologize for it, which is why black and brown people are locked up at way higher rates than their population. And Kamala Harris kept black and brown people in prison after a federal judge ordered her to release them in California three times. And her office argued in court that we have to keep them in prison because it would upset the prison labor force. So what she's literally doing is I need to keep them as slaves. I mean, that's what she did. She kept black and brown people in prison for slavery, because that's what it is. And Trump never brings that up. It's weird. I don't know, maybe because he feels like it will make her seem more a fighter of crime, but she's actually. I mean, she targeted black single mothers when she was going to. She went after and prosecuted the parents of truants. And who did she target? She targeted black single parents. And I've covered it on my show. She did that. And then she called out the press to go and cover it when they were being perp walked. Single mothers, black mothers. And the one woman who I covered, her daughter had sickle cell anemia. She was in hospital, and everybody knew this. Kamala Harris didn't care. She. She sent the cops to go arrest her, and she lost her house, she lost her job, her kid had a stroke. That's who Kamala Harris is. Right? That's who she always has been, and that's who Joe Biden is. And it's funny that how they can flip that script on Trump. I tried to remind people that, hey, the reason why black and brown people are locked up isn't because of Donald Trump. It's because of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris. And they just can't compute. It just goes against, you know, whenever I've. I'll have a conversation with someone from my old life, and I'll, I'll do an information dump like this on them. And I'll never forget, I just had a conversation with a comedian friend of mine and there was just like a long silent pause and he goes, that's a lot to. It's a lot to think about. That's. What does that mean, a lot to think about?
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Tucker Carlson
Like, it means I'm not going to think about it.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, it means I'm not going to think about it. It's too much. And there's no way you could be telling me the truth. And. But I'm not going to look into it because that would be doing my own research, Tucker. And you're not supposed to do your own research.
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Tucker Carlson
No, we, we've got mom to do that for us. Can I. Let me just insert another. I'm trying to, to break the, the, the wall of, of pessimism here. So Bobby Kennedy. If you had checked in with any American who knew who Bobby Kennedy was for the last 20 years and said, who's Bobby Kennedy? He's the guy who falsely connects vaccines with autism. And that's why he was not allowed in the New York Times. That's why he was called a Nazi. It's kind of speaking of drummed out of polite society. He was after that Rolling stone piece about 20 years ago connecting autism with vaccines. Even the, even the autism organizations denounced him. That's how in the tank they are. But you never hear anybody criticize him for that anymore. It does feel like there has been a change even in the media on that question.
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Jimmy Dore
There has been. I saw a guy on CNBC the other day, like some head of some CEO, talk about 72 shots. He's like, that's exactly. You see that?
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Tucker Carlson
No, I didn't. But I see people who. Well, even I was never against vaccines. I mean, I've never spent four minutes thinking about vaccines. Right. So. But I see. But because of my job, I had to. But I see people who knows, very normal people who don't think it's outrageous to ask, is there a connection between the vaccine schedule and the rise in autism? That wall seems to have been breached. People's minds seem more open. Am I imagining this?
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Jimmy Dore
Well, it used to be people like Jim Carrey, right?
- [108:10]
Tucker Carlson
Well, exactly.
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Jimmy Dore
It used to be people like Robert Dairo.
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Tucker Carlson
Really?
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Jimmy Dore
Oh, Robert Dinero. I have a clip of him on the Today show. There was that movie, I think it was the first Unvaxed or something like that, that was supposed to play at his soho Film festival. And there was a big. They didn't want it to air. They didn't want him to show it. And he was on the Today show, and he's like, there's something there. You have to look at it. There's something there. There. A direct quote.
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Tucker Carlson
No way. Yeah.
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Jimmy Dore
If you. That video's out there. I've showed it on my show. And then all of a sudden, he got the phone call, and that was that. He never talked about it again. And that film didn't get. In fact, I had the guy who did the film on my show. That film didn't air, and that was that. Yeah. So it used to be people like that. And yeah, there were like.
- [108:57]
Tucker Carlson
And I remember, just in the interest of full disclosure and honesty and repentance, I remember making fun of them.
- [109:04]
Jimmy Dore
Me, too.
- [109:05]
Tucker Carlson
So that's. That's where I was at the time, which was unthinking and stupid and reactionary, and I apologize for that. But. But I just. Again, I feel like there's been a massive change just on the ground, as we say, with normal people and their willingness to entertain new ideas.
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Jimmy Dore
Well, when, you know, autism goes from 1 in 10,000 to now, I. The last I saw was in California. It's like 1 in 22. Some crazy low number like that. I think enough people have been affected and touched by it that they are questioning. And so, you know, I used to always say, you know, conservatives can't understand a problem until it affects them right directly. But it turns out it's everybody.
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Tucker Carlson
That's right.
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Jimmy Dore
It turns out that's everybody. So when it affects you, direct me to me. You know, I didn't look into COVID policy until I got vaccine injured. And then as soon as I got vaccine injured, I was like. I was put into a study and some of the drug. One of the drugs was Ivermectin that they were giving me. And I was like, hey. And then they explained to me, jimmy, this is on the WHO list of essential medicine, the one that Nobel Prize. It's been prescribed billions of times.
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Tucker Carlson
Last hour, they told me on msnbc.
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Jimmy Dore
And before COVID it was looked at as a miracle drug. They were saying it could cure cancer. And I looked at the doctor and I said, well, why would they be saying this? And he explained, because they can't get their emergency use authorization if this actually treats it, even though in their own literature it says it does treat coronavirus. And I was like, well, what else are they lying about? And it turned out, Tucker, there wasn't a Thing they weren't lying about. They were lying about the origin of the virus. We all know. They were lying about funding it. They were lying about herd immunity. They were lying about natural immunity. They were lying about transmission. They were lying about contraction. They were lying about mass. They were lying about lockdowns. There wasn't anything that they would lie about.
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Tucker Carlson
They were lying about the danger of the vaccine.
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Jimmy Dore
That's what I mean, the side effect. Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
And. And you unfortunately lived that.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, I still do. Yeah. So I had nerve damage from it. I had an. A simple neuralgia, among other things. My blood pressure went through the. I had one. My blood was 180 over 140. I mean, I was in bad shape and that's like stroke level. Yeah. I could have had a stroke. Yeah. And I thought, I mean, who knows? I might have had many strokes. But anyway, so I don't. I don't know what the question was. But the COVID thing is what. While I be. Yeah. I just.
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Tucker Carlson
People's minds are up. It's like four years ago, if we'd had this conversation, even just exactly what you said over the past two minutes, that would have been considered like, whoa. First of all, don't talk about your vaccine injury.
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Jimmy Dore
Wow.
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Tucker Carlson
You selfish prick. Like, how dare you.
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Jimmy Dore
I had people come at me on, you know, again, people I know. Why are you talking about it? Don't. You're going to make people vaccine hesitant. And I was like, well, they said.
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Tucker Carlson
That to your face.
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Jimmy Dore
They said it to me online. Right. Wow. Yeah. I don't go on Facebook. Facebook is miserable. I go on Twitter. Right. Because you could actually get news and stuff from there. And people would come at me and attack me on Twitter like that. I'm just like, you don't. You don't know. I mean, I get that you don't know anything about COVID but why are you so loud about it? Right? No, that's.
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Tucker Carlson
Boy, isn't that the truth?
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah. And none of that. I mean, some of my favorite comedians, you know, I've talked about this in my special. I talk about it on stage and talk about it on my show. But my. Some of my favorite comedians that I looked up to the in, they're special. They would shame people for trying to get informed about COVID and an experimental medical treatment. They would shame them. And I'm like, if you're. You're shaming people, you know, you're not supposed to shame people for questioning authority. You're supposed to shame people for following rules without questioning Authority. And if you're shaming people for questioning authority, you're not doing comedy, you're selling cars. I don't know what the hell you're doing, but it broke my heart did that. I don't want to name names, but.
- [112:52]
Tucker Carlson
They'Re, but look, legit comedians.
- [112:53]
Jimmy Dore
Legit. The top, the top comics.
- [112:56]
Tucker Carlson
Well, I know the late night guys did that.
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Jimmy Dore
Oh, all of them. All of them.
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Tucker Carlson
And that was shameful.
- [113:00]
Jimmy Dore
This shameful, disgusting. It was. And they'll never apologize. They'll never, they, they, well, they'll also never recover.
- [113:07]
Tucker Carlson
They will never recover from that.
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Jimmy Dore
Well, it's funny that Greg Goldfeld now cre them all in the rad. That's.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, that's exactly right. Case in point.
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Jimmy Dore
Who watches that anyway? It's had, it's such, hey, you want to have some superficial com. It's all like, they're all sitting there. You say the talking point from the, from the studio. I'll say the talking point from the studio. We'll pretend we're having a real conversation. Late night talk shows are the most boring, stupid, vapid. They're just unbelievably stupid.
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Tucker Carlson
I know.
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Jimmy Dore
I can't believe who watches. Is there anybody over 16 years old that watches that stuff? No, I can't imagine what. Can you imagine how your brain must be mushed to be able to. There's actual shows out there now. There's shows like this, there's shows like Joe Ro. There's shows where people have real conversations about really interesting things and they're not trying to sell you anything. I, I, I don't get how those shows again, but there must be important for the propaganda. They, that's why that, you know, that's what keeps them going, I guess. They must make money somehow.
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Tucker Carlson
I just think that we're at a point where the people in charge have really only two options. One is the one that I hope they'll choose, which is to look inside and ask, as every adult should, how did I play a role in what went wrong? You know, what, what did I, you know, seriously, like, just take a look inside. I mean, that's the basis of aa. It's why, it's the basis of Joy, actually. So they do that, or they have to use real force to get people to comply. They can no longer do it through propaganda exclusively or through any kind of consent, manufacturer or real. They have to just go right to force because people just don't believe it anymore. They have no authority.
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Jimmy Dore
You did force during COVID They forced you. You Couldn't travel. You couldn't go to work. They fired people. Like I said, you know, 70,000 healthcare workers.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes, they used force, but they had the capos, like, in the population enforcing it. Yeah, the PMCs, 100%. And I just feel like that, you know, some of whom. All of whom have my concern. Contempt, I will say, and all of whom should apologize, but many of whom were totally sincere in believing that the lady at the grocery store without the mask was a threat to everyone's life. Like, they really believed that.
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Jimmy Dore
I believed it. A lot of people did. I got in a fight with my brother over. Over it because I thought he was being reckless and selfish. Right. Selfish. Yeah. Yeah. And being dumb. And I was. Oh, I was so. I was that person. I. So I. I have compassion for those people who are propagandized. Yes, yes, I do, too, but. Because I was one of them.
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Tucker Carlson
But I just think that that population is really small now. So if you want to continue with your fake democracy, if you want to continue looting the country, you just kind of have to pull out the gun and say, obey. At this point, they really have to go to force. And I think that's why they've now allowed the Pentagon to murder American citizens who won't comply. I mean, I don't. What's the other explanation?
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, it almost seems too crazy to believe. Right. They did it.
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Tucker Carlson
I mean, that just happened. That's real.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, I saw. I'm like, boy, if I didn't. They're not. Not doing it for a re. I mean, they're doing it for a reason. That's how you think. And like, oh, boy, they're getting ready. Right? They're getting ready to do so. I thought. My first thought was they're getting ready to throw the election. And then when people protest, they're going to go in and squelch it and say, look, these people are just. Like we said, they're always violent. They're doing January 6th, but they're doing on a grander scale. They're doing. That's what. That's what I think. That's what that. That was. I could be wrong. That's just a guess, but they're doing it not for a good reason, not for a good.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, I just don't think they're. They're sort of out of options. And we may look back wistfully at a time when they can control the population with cnn, you know, when Wolf Blitzer was enough to get people to obey and. And now that, you know, it's a joke. They're all a joke. And we. But we know they're a joke. The kidnapper has taken off his mask, like he doesn't have any choice. He has to kill us.
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Jimmy Dore
Well, that's why they're. The digital currency is such a big deal, I think, because they can control you through digital currency. And I mean, look what they did to truckers in Canada. They cut off their funds, and now you can't do anything. You can't go anywhere. And even. Even people who donated to them got in trouble and got their funds frozen. So if they can.
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Tucker Carlson
Including their bitcoin, they. They froze people's bitcoin.
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Jimmy Dore
How did they do that?
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Tucker Carlson
Through the exchanges?
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Jimmy Dore
Oh, I thought that was the whole. The beauty of bitcoin was taking.
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Tucker Carlson
That's what I thought, too. And I think it could be the beauty of. I'm not attacking bitcoin, just to be clear, but a lot of the crypto people, if you ask them directly, and I was at the Crisp Conversation conference in August in Nashville because I care about it. I said, well, wait a second. I thought the promise of bitcoin was autonomy. And they're like, well, yeah, you can have autonomy. And I said, well, how about you make it easy for me to conduct business in bitcoin? Simple transactions. You know what I mean by car in bitcoin, that's not a Tesla. And keep it private because it's my money. I made the money. There's no reason the government should have any role in it at all. I should be able to do it secretly. And that's what you told me I was going to be able to do. It's not just a pump and dump scheme, you sleaze ball. It's not just about you getting rich and moving to Puerto Rico to pay no taxes. It's about returning freedom to the population of the freest country in the world. That's what you told me it was. And they're like, well, you could do that, but you have to have a wallet, whatever. I mean, it's just somebody. And I think a lot of the bitcoin people are totally sincere and great people, and I'm not, you know, but somebody needs to make it easy for the average person to use bitcoin as intended, which is as a vehicle for financial freedom, as a way to evade control.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, evade control.
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Tucker Carlson
You need to do that soon. I think.
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Jimmy Dore
I. Well, what's happening in El Salvador?
- [118:42]
Tucker Carlson
A lot's happening. That's great. I mean, again, I'm not attacking bitcoin. And the promise of Bitcoin is the promise of freedom. And I support it vehemently.
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Jimmy Dore
We need that because the digital currency, they're already doing implementing it voluntarily like you can. They're going to track your carbon purchases on your credit card. Have you seen this?
- [119:01]
Tucker Carlson
No.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, they're starting to implement it voluntarily and they're going to let you know your carbon purchases. And so they've already got a plan in place. They've already have mechanisms to do this, of course. And so all they can say is the, you know, I foresee a day not too far away where they say, hey, you know, you're, we don't like how you're spending your money. Of course it's too much carbon. So we're going to freeze and you can't spend it on the thing things you want to spend it on. And you got to do this and you got to get an electric stove and electric stoves are the dumb. And we got to get electric car. And where does the power for that electric car come from? A coal plant. And it's just so.
- [119:36]
Tucker Carlson
No, no, actually a coal plant.
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Jimmy Dore
Yeah, I know, it's crazy what's going on. It's. They, they've been fed a bill of goods and by the way, the, I read an article that said that if when you get like a Tesla or an electric car, that's the equivalent of having 20 refrigerators in your house, right? So they already have an energy crisis whenever it gets hits 90 degrees in California. They were like, hey everybody, be careful. They can't handle the electric. The electric kid can't handle. So if everybody got an electric car anyway, it would, you couldn't do it. So I don't. So this is, again, this is just propaganda. And the people who are telling you that you have to be tracked on your digital, your carbon footprint and drive electric cars and use electric stoves and you can't sell, use a gas powered leaf blower anymore. Are the same people, people who don't ban private jet travel which is going through the roof through literally through the roof. And they're like. And then they'll say, well, I buy carbon offsets. No, but if you really thought global warming was real, you wouldn't fly the private jet because you know that's contributing. You would buy the carbon offset anyway you'd be trying to do. So they won't. The people who keep telling me about this like John Kerry and Bill Gates, they don't really believe it. That's just not for one second. Even if you believe in carbon based climate change. Any of their solutions are bullshit.
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Tucker Carlson
They're false prophets, they're fake clergy.
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Jimmy Dore
Yes. And I don't. So after Russiagate, after Ukraine, after Syria, after Covid, I don't believe anything that they say, including when it comes to climate change. I don't believe them.
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Tucker Carlson
Of course not.
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Jimmy Dore
And it's just, it's about control.
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Tucker Carlson
It's incumbent on them to prove it to me. So my last question, just to get a snapshot shot of where we think, where you think we're going. Election is, you know, imminent. How many people do you know, liberals, former, you know, progressive types are voting for Trump?
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Jimmy Dore
Well, the ones that come. Ones. Ones that I meet do in comedy again, in not, not many in Hollywood. Not still. Really? No. Come on. No, no, no, no. I mean, I've had people, I'll have people secretly admit to me they got vaccine injured. The secretly. They won't say it out loud. Like, I'll come off stage and they'll be a famous comedian. I won't say. And they'll say, yeah, I got shingles in my eye when I got the vaccine and stuff like that. And I'm like, you don't talk about it? No. I've had people email me and say, hey, keep talking about it. I got myocarditis. No way. Yes.
- [122:08]
Tucker Carlson
So they've so internalized the guilt and shame from CNN that they, they can't even admit that they were a victim of a crime.
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Jimmy Dore
They don't want to be ostracized from polite society. I mean, you can't do that.
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Tucker Carlson
How is it different from a woman saying, I was gang raped, but I can't tell anybody because I'll be blamed for it. That's sick. It's sick.
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Jimmy Dore
It is sick. I agree with you. So, you know, my audience is different. So when I go out and I travel, I meet all types of people. People come to my audience, come to my shows and I meet them and they, they range from hippies to ex military to police to firemen to labor organizers to nurses to teachers. And so they're all done. Right. So they're done definitely with the liberal intelligentsia and they see through it. But I don't know if that necessarily means they're going to vote for Donald Trump, but they're certainly done with when.
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Tucker Carlson
Trump invites Sean O'Brien, head of the Teamsters, to the Republican con convention and doesn't even make him endorse Trump. Sean O'Brien does not come as a Republican or a Trump voter, and he says that from the stage. I'm not a Trump voter. I'm not a Republican. I'm not here to endorse Trump. But he invited me and I'm coming. How is that not the most powerful sign ever? Can you imagine letting someone at your convention who won't even endorse you and you let him come anyway? That is a sign that this party would ever. Many flaws. Many flaws. But is the open party is the actual coalition of different people with different interests, but with a common humanity and American ness? Like, does that just tell you everything?
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Jimmy Dore
It's. I made a big deal out of it. Oh, did you? Oh, good. Yeah. And it was kind of ignored, I thought. Yeah, certainly. Of course. That's not good for the establishment.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Jimmy Dore
And you know, you saw that the port workers, right. They were not striking. They shut that strike down immediately because they had to settle it because that's not good. And they don't want, they don't want other. They don't want unions to catch on. Right. So as soon as the workers start to get power, they got to stop it. Right. And that's why they have an open border. There's no doubt about it. There's a little bit of a tightening of the labor market. The workers are starting to get a little bit of power. They completely flooded. And the. But the liberals who I see who aren't voting for Kamala Harris. So they're going to vote for Trump or they're going to vote for Jill Stein.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, right. That's a better way to put it. Aren't voting for Kamala Harris.
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Jimmy Dore
They're not. Right. So they're not vote. They're. They want to punish the Democrats. They think they need to be punished. And I agree. I think they do need to be punished. They will not come to get your vote. They don't care. You know, I'm sure you saw Chuck Schumer in 2016 when they said, hey, what about you're losing blue collar workers, right. Hillary Clinton, you're losing. He said, it doesn't matter. For every blue collar worker we lose, we're going to pick up two white collar suburban voters. And you can repeat that in Ohio and Wisconsin and Michigan. Well, I guess they couldn't do that. That was a lot. But that just showed. So they, he's. That was at the time the leader of the Democratic Party out there telling people, we are not trying to appeal to workers, we're literally trying to appeal to white collar Republicans. That's what the Democratic Party is now. They will bend over backwards to get white. That's why Liz Cheney is touring with Kamala Harris.
- [125:20]
Tucker Carlson
Has there ever been anyone that as disgusting as Liz Cheney, like, in world history? I can't think of anything.
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Jimmy Dore
I can't. But that's what, That's. What does that tell you? They're not going after workers. They're not going after their natural constituency Democrats. They're going after white collar suburban Republicans. That's what they're trying. And they'll bend over backwards for them. They won't do anything to get the Muslim vote, which you would think would be a natural constituency. They won't do a damn thing for them. And that's why they all just came out in Michigan and endorsed Donald Trump. At least Donald Trump. They won't do anything. So I'm always. You gotta make them come get your vote. And you've gotta punish them for turning their back on workers, for funding a genocide and for forcing medical experiments on people and for, and for censoring and shutting down and shaming people for questioning. You gotta punish them. And I'm all for that. And so a lot of people are punishing them by voting for Jill Stein. Some of them are voting for Donald Trump to punish them. I say whatever you can do to punish the Democratic Party, we gotta break them.
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Tucker Carlson
The great Jimmy Dore. Thank you.
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Jimmy Dore
Okay, thank you.
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Tucker Carlson
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