The Tucker Carlson Show – December 8, 2025

John Leake: The Demonic Rituals to Replicate God and Mankind’s New Religion of Science

Overview

In this episode, Tucker Carlson hosts author John Leake to explore the transformation of public health policy—particularly the COVID-19 vaccine campaign—into what they describe as a new, quasi-religious orthodoxy within Western societies. Leake and Carlson delve into the psychological, religious, historical, and metaphysical implications of vaccine mandates, suppression of dissent, and the merger of technological advancement with messianic ambitions. The discussion interweaves religious symbolism, historical precedent, and medical anecdotes, ultimately questioning the morality, motivation, and wisdom of those orchestrating mass health campaigns.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Public Health Orthodoxy: Vaccine as the New Religion

• Suppression of Dissent:

  • The authorities’ aggressive stance against COVID treatment alternatives was not rationally scientific but rather aimed at eradicating “vaccine heresy.”
  • “It was to stamp out the heresy of what is called vaccine hesitation.” —John Leake [01:10]

• Religious Symbolism:

  • The vaccine campaign adopted overt religious imagery and language.
  • Leake presents examples such as the Vatican’s COVID vaccine commemorative coin and church banners equating the vaccine to the “Blood of Christ.”
    • “Even the blood of Christ cannot protect you. Get vaccinated... there’s the association of equivalence. But in fact the vaccine is more effective than the blood of Christ.” —John Leake [07:06]

2. Institutional Power and Orthodoxy

• Financial Incentives & Systemic Pressure:

  • US government funds were funneled to sports leagues and religious organizations to push the vaccine.
  • “Uncle Sam is going to give you a bunch of dough and you’re going to basically force this on your league.” —John Leake [08:23]

• Persecution of Dissenters:

  • High-profile figures like NFL quarterback Aaron Rodgers were subjected to “struggle sessions” for vaccine resistance, equated to historical heretics.
  • “He was perceived as being guilty of heresy... If you commit heresy and you get away with it, the whole stamping out of vaccine hesitancy will be imperiled.” —John Leake [10:59]

3. Mass Psychological Rituals and Obedience

• The Centrality of Ritual, Not Substance:

  • Leake and Carlson posit that the specific content of the vaccine is less important than the act of forced submission, likened to a ritual of obedience.

  • “It’s the ultimate method of control... what could be more controlling than ordering people to be injected?” —John Leake [64:34]

  • “It almost doesn’t matter what’s in the vaccines... It’s the ritual of forcing people to do something against their will without their consent. And once you’ve done that, you are in control.” —Tucker Carlson [64:38]

• Communion and Inverted Rituals:

  • Vaccine mandates are described as an “inverted communion,” forcing participation akin to religious sacraments but with a dark coercive twist.
  • “You have to take the communion or you can’t be a part of this congregation.” —John Leake [65:04]

4. From Science to Mysticism: Mankind Imitating God

• Promethean & Luciferian Motifs:

  • Leake explores the idea that the push for mRNA and gene-altering technologies reflects a Promethean or Luciferian desire to “write in the language of God.”
  • “We’re not only going to read the language of God, we’re going to start writing in the language of God using messenger RNA.” —John Leake [87:40]

• Hubris in Science:

  • Science is subverted into a dogma, losing its self-correcting humility.
  • “Science is the topography of ignorance. From a few elevated points, we triangulate vast spaces of unknowns.” —Oliver Wendell Holmes Sr., quoted by John Leake [91:10]

5. Historical and Literary Parallels

• Dostoevsky’s Grand Inquisitor:

  • Leake likens vaccine orthodoxy to the “Grand Inquisitor” chapter in Dostoevsky’s The Brothers Karamazov, where human leaders demand obedience and take away free will in exchange for security.
  • “We are going to do the deal that you should have taken. We are going to take care of them, and in return, they shall give us their obedience because it is obedience that we need in order to run this ship properly.” —John Leake [58:23]

• Medical Historical Examples (Semmelweis, Tobacco):

  • Semmelweis’s persecution for promoting handwashing and the decades-long concealment of smoking’s health risks serve as analogies for modern institutional intransigence and suppression of dissent.
  • “[The medical authorities said] you would rather that young moms and their infants die rather than admit you’re wrong?” —John Leake [113:26]

6. Tribal Division and Social Fragmentation

• Vaccine Status as Tribal Identity:
  • Vaccine mandates are framed as dividing society into new tribes of the compliant and the hesitant, exacerbating distrust and fragmentation.
  • “Let’s stamp out vaccine hesitancy... Those who receive it will then be permanently separate from those who are hesitant and refuse.” —John Leake [83:16]

7. Potential Biological and Ethical Catastrophe

• Concerns Over mRNA Technology:

  • Leake cites evidence and peer-reviewed studies about vaccine effects on fertility, myocarditis in the young, and the lack of long-term understanding regarding gene-altering therapies.
  • “There is evidence that it actually impairs fertility. So that’s perhaps a paradox. It’s actually preventing you from passing anything on to your kids because you’re not having them.” —John Leake [92:15]
  • “In July of 2021, the New England Journal of Medicine... published a peer reviewed case study of an adolescent boy who developed myocarditis, inflammation of the heart, shortly after receiving a messenger RNA Covid shot.” —John Leake [93:22]

• Moral Crisis in Medicine:

  • Carlson and Leake express astonishment and dismay that medical authorities persist with mass vaccination of the young amid mounting safety signals.
  • “If people with the power of life and death, physicians, can’t admit [their errors], then we need to eliminate the profession.” —Tucker Carlson [106:15]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Religious Imagery of Vaccination:
  “A boy prepares to receive the vaccine. The grammar, the number of words—it’s identical [to] a boy prepares to receive the Eucharist. So... it’s the vaccine that’s the Savior.” —John Leake [04:08]

• Technocratic Messianism:
  “Bill Gates... makes the Annunciation. He says... we can only go back to normal when everyone gets the vaccine.” —John Leake [15:07]

• Suppression and Censorship Experiences: “About four hours later, YouTube takes [the McCullough interview] down with no explanation... We’ve just bumped into something that's really big and it's really dark.” —John Leake [49:25]

• Science versus Dogma:
  “One starts with presuppositions, and then that's how you interpret the world. Your interpretive framework begins with your presuppositions.” —John Leake [26:45]

• Literary Allusion:
  “You read the Grand Inquisitor in the middle of the Brothers [Karamazov]... you're like, first of all, this is a truly deep culture. This is not a gas station with nuclear weapons.” —Tucker Carlson [53:08]

Timestamps for Key Segments

• Vaccine as Religious Ritual and Iconography: [02:35] – [07:43]
• Bribery and State Pressure on Institutions: [08:23] – [09:49]
• Aaron Rodgers and Sports Figures as Heretics: [09:52] – [12:13]
• Why Vaccine Was the Only Permitted Solution: [13:07] – [18:36]
• Djokovic, Australia, and the Ritual of Obedience: [19:17] – [45:06]
• The Grand Inquisitor Analogy: [55:05] – [61:14]
• Is the Vaccine Itself Essential, or the Ritual? [62:21] – [65:17]
• Science, Technology, and Promethean Ambition: [66:09] – [88:32]
• mRNA Risks: Fertility, Heritability, Myocarditis: [92:13] – [99:12]
• Suppression of Adverse Signals by Medical Authorities: [99:12] – [101:53]
• Semmelweis Story: Dogma Versus Discovery: [106:03] – [114:52]
• Suppression of Tobacco Risk Data as Historical Parallel: [115:35] – [118:22]

Conclusion & Reflections

The episode closes with a recognition that scientific, medical, and governmental institutions have historically resisted uncomfortable truths when they threaten orthodoxy, power, or profit. As Leake and Carlson see it, the COVID-19 vaccine campaign is a modern manifestation of this tragic pattern—infused with religious zeal, enforced through ritualistic control, and defended by institutional dogma to the point of suppressing dissent and evidence of harm. The conversation ends on a sobering but defiant note: even in the absence of immediate validation, it is a virtue to insist on truth and transparency in the face of mass delusion.

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