New Underwater UFO Sightings and the Non-Human Tech the Government Is Hiding | Rep. Tim Burchett

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Tucker Carlson Show

Episode: "New Underwater UFO Sightings and the Non-Human Tech the Government Is Hiding"

Guest: Rep. Tim Burchett
Date: October 10, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this gripping episode, host Doug (standing in for Tucker Carlson) sits down with Congressman Tim Burchett (R-TN), one of Congress's most prominent advocates for UFO and UAP (Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena) transparency. Together, they confront decades of U.S. government secrecy, disinformation, and the social stigma wrapped around the UFO conversation. Representative Burchett shares candid personal stories, testimonies from military personnel, and his unfiltered perspective on why the government resists disclosure—including corporate defense interests and political inertia. The conversation traverses biblical stories, suppressed witness accounts, underwater UFOs, deep-state corruption, and the broader erosion of trust in Congress.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Government Disinformation and Cultural Stigma (00:00–06:00)

• Doug opens by expressing skepticism toward most UFO coverage, citing a 70-year U.S. government disinformation campaign:
  “...there is an ongoing 70 year ongoing disinformation campaign by the US government to sow confusion.” (00:23)
• Rep. Burchett’s Backstory: He became interested in UFOs as a child, referencing Ezekiel's biblical vision of a "wheel within a wheel" as a possible ancient UFO account (01:13–02:44).
• Congressional Awakening: Burchett recounts how a TMZ reporter triggered his curiosity to probe official UFO reports and the redacted, “fluff” nature of government disclosures (03:06–04:12).
  • Memorable Quote: “‘More people believe in UFOs than believe in Congress—and for good reason.’” — Rep. Burchett (04:12)

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2. Public Interest, Witness Testimonies, and Whistleblowers (05:00–09:00)

• Burchett describes how airing congressional hearings on UFOs drew record crowds, reflecting deep public hunger for truth.
• He shares stories from “prominent” professionals and military veterans confiding their UFO sightings, often fearful of ridicule or reprisal.
  • Navy encounter anecdote: A retired legislator recounts a massive, silent, cylindrical object flying over as nuclear missiles were transferred—witnesses threatened with punishment for speaking out (08:09–09:54).

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3. Why the Coverup? Power, Profit, and Control (12:40–17:32)

• Motives for Secrecy: Control, financial interests, and the threat of transformative energy technologies upending existing industries.
• “Could you imagine if they had something that could heat homes in the winter and cool them in the summer and had zero cost? ... The war pimps at the Pentagon would have to go out of business.” — Burchett (13:11)
• Burchett explains how the very energy technologies hinted at in UFO sightings are a threat to powerful lobbies: defense contractors, energy corporations, and political machines.

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4. Compartmentalization & Corporate Custodianship of Technology (14:20–22:18)

• The government has “compartmentalized” information so thoroughly, even FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) requests rarely result in meaningful data.
• Allegations that private aerospace and defense corporations have been given control of exotic materials/tech—acting beyond congressional oversight (17:32–22:18).

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5. Congressional Disclosure Efforts and Their Roadblocks (17:32–23:00)

• Burchett details legislative efforts for disclosure, including a brief history of the UAP Disclosure Act and its dilution or obstruction by congressional leadership and staffers.
• Key Critique: Staffers and industry lobbyists shape legislation to bury or “study” the issue, mirroring the handling of the Kennedy assassination (19:04–22:18).

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6. Defense Contractors, Political Influence, and the Buck Stops Nowhere (21:45–30:00)

• Defense industry interests (e.g., Raytheon) strongly oppose disclosure.
• The Department of Defense and intelligence agencies claim national security justifies the secrecy, often using circular reasoning to avoid accountability.
  • “Look at the financial disclosure of the people that always fight me on these bills.” – Burchett (21:31)
• Allegations that corporations have benefited—possibly reverse-engineered—technology from crashed craft (27:23–27:28).

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7. Underwater UFOs & Non-Human Technology (30:00–37:20)

• Burchett reports multiple pilots and high-ranking Navy contacts have described impossible maneuvers and speeds underwater—craft moving at 200 mph beneath the sea (30:42–31:02).
  • No known technology can achieve this: “Not with our technology, no. The best we have is probably in the high 30s [mph].” (30:54)
• High concentrations of UAP activity are reported near deep-sea trenches, which remain largely unexplored; some Navy accounts suggest something may have been here long before us.

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8. Smear Campaigns and Discrediting Witnesses (34:20–36:57)

• The U.S. government and media resort to character assassination and disinformation to discourage witnesses and whistleblowers from coming forward.
  • Example: Exposure of witnesses’ medical records—specifically PTSD—to publicly shame and silence them (34:36–35:39).

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9. Congressional Briefings, Classified Information, and the Illusion of Oversight (40:54–43:41)

• Congressional members are “briefed” but often receive either already-public information or misdirection.
• Leadership uses the specter of legal penalties to discourage members from speaking openly about what they learn in secure briefings (41:21–43:41).
• Agencies contradict one another and M.O. is more about control than actual national security.

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10. Bipartisan Interest and Suppression (43:53–45:39)

• UAP investigation attracts interest from both sides of the aisle, including AOC; everyone’s asking “where is all the money going?”
• Sworn testimonies in Congress claim encounters with “beings” and retrieved craft, but such disclosures are quickly buried or mocked in the media.

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11. Political Corruption, Congressional Compromise & Insider Trading (55:07–57:24)

• Burchett describes rampant insider trading and conflicts of interest among members of Congress, facilitated by loose disclosure rules and lobbying jobs for spouses/families.
• Attempts to legislate against insider trading are repeatedly stymied by both parties’ leadership (55:38–57:24).
  • “Leadership actually said to you, we can't stop insider trading because they need the money.” — Doug (57:05)

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12. Broader Governmental Distrust and Disengagement (33:38–63:00)

• Both host and Burchett agree public trust in Congress is lower than ever—citing polls indicating Congress is less popular than diseases.
• “Chlamydia outranks us.” — Burchett (65:44)
• Congressional culture is described as arrogant and out of touch with national sentiment and concerns; large segments of America have disengaged from voting and political involvement.

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13. Political Retaliation, Surveillance & Personal Risk (27:32, 36:57, 76:51–78:46)

• Burchett shares that political enemies have tried to use his UFO focus against him in campaigns. Leadership and even some in his own party have attempted to “primary” him or use funding threats to silence or sideline nonconformists.
• His openness to whistleblowers and the public has made him a political target, but he continues pressing for answers.

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14. What Are UFOs? (95:53–99:55)

• Burchett’s View: Open to the possibility that UAPs may represent non-human intelligence, potentially predating humans, possibly operating from deep-sea bases.
  • “I do not think we are the best that God can do. Now is there something here ... I don't know. ... I just think it's another one of those things I'm not going to know till I'm in heaven.” (95:53–98:29)
• Burchett references quantum physics and evolving scientific perspectives, noting the limits of our understanding and the multitude of credible eyewitnesses who swore to what they saw.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Disinformation:
  “People participating in that effort … are nevertheless selling lies in an effort to get people off the trail of what this really is.” — Doug (00:16)
• On why secrets persist:
  “Greed, power, and arrogance.” — Burchett (13:11)
• On Congressional popularity:
  “More people believe in UFOs than believe in Congress—and for good reason.” — Burchett (04:12)
• On classified briefings:
  “I think they bring you in and tell you stuff you already knew, so you can't even talk about it. I think it’s a trap.” — Burchett (43:10)
• On personal threats:
  “I’ve had the Deep Throat moment ... You really don’t need to be doing this stuff, you know, you’re kicking the hornets nest.” — Burchett (27:32)
• On underwater UFOs:
  “...underwater, big as a football field—and that’s no fish.” — Burchett (30:46)
• On government arrogance:
  “Washington D.C. is not a swamp—it’s a sewer.” — Burchett (19:34)
• On what he ultimately believes:
  “I do not think we are the best that God can do.” — Burchett (96:18)

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Timestamps of Important Segments

• Childhood interest/Biblical UFOs: 01:13–02:44
• Congressional UFO hearing and public response: 04:12–05:53
• Navy UFO sighting & men-in-black intimidation: 08:09–09:54
• Why secrecy? Greed & power: 13:11–14:33
• Defense contractors & suppression of disclosure: 21:31–22:18, 27:08–27:55
• Underwater UFOs/nonhuman tech: 30:40–34:15
• Inside classified briefings, contradictions: 41:21–43:41
• Destruction of whistleblowers: 34:36–35:39
• Adversarial party influence on legislation: 43:53–45:39
• Insider trading in Congress: 55:07–57:24
• Low regard for Congress: 65:44
• Burchett’s bottom-line belief about UFOs: 95:53–98:29

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Conclusion

This episode offers a candid, at times raw glimpse into the labyrinth of UFO secrecy, the self-interested inertia of Congress, and the particular risks taken by those willing to pursue truth inside the system. Representative Burchett’s stories weave together personal conviction, constituent testimony, frontline whistleblowing, and an unrelenting skepticism of power—reminding listeners that some of life’s greatest questions may never be answered by our institutions. The intersection of belief, evidence, and systemic rot leaves both the host and guest (and the audience) with more questions than answers.

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For listeners who want a deep dive, Rep. Burchett’s plainspoken insights and willingness to confront both cosmic and congressional mysteries make this a must-hear episode for anyone questioning what the government knows—and why it won’t say.

Transcript

[Doug]

Thank you Congressman, for doing this. I never talk about. Thank you, Tim. Never talk about UFOs. We don't do shows on UFOs. UAPs, whatever they're calling them, these mysterious lights, these objects. Because I know for a dead certain fact that there is an ongoing 70 year ongoing disinformation campaign by the US government to sow confusion. Some people participating in that effort, I don't think they know they're participating in the effort, but they are nevertheless selling lies in an effort to get people off the trail of what this really is. There is something going on. What is it? It's so hard to know. You're one of the few people from my perspective, who seems sincere. You're also, also informed as a member of Congress. And so I'm just grateful that you're doing this because I think you're going to be telling the truth. So what are these things?

[Tim Burchett]

Well, I don't know. I think there's a lot different misconceptions about them. And I, I kind of came into it organically, I guess. I had pretty cool parents. They would just take me to the library and just let me stay or I'd ride my bike over and stay a couple hours and grew up in the 70s in Tennessee and you know, I guess now you'd probably taken to DCS or something for that. But yeah, and I went in there and I can remember there was a stack of books on a thing and you know, they had all the, you know, something on maybe the occult or something like that. And then Bigfoot and then there's something on UFOs. And I picked up the UFO book, started reading about it and it, it just fascinated me. And I, and I read the Bible. I'm a Christian, I'm not a very good one, obviously by my chosen profession. But, but you know, the Bible talks about Ezekiel, saw the wheel and people always say, well that was a dream. You know, they always try to over explain things in the Bible and I just think it was, it's written for simple folks like me and I agree with that. And it was a translation though. And at the time the most technologically advanced item that they had was a wheel. And it describes a wheel within a wheel and describes a landing gear and all these other things that we would today say are modern day flying saucers.

[Doug]

And it's pretty specific and it's a pretty, the Ezekiel passage you're referring to is, it's not just like a parenthetical note, it's like a, it's like a Whole description.

[Tim Burchett]

Oh, yeah, he goes into it. He describes, I think, the landing area. In some translations, it talks about it being hooves of animal, like the hoof of an animal, which if you see, you know, you see when we went, when we went to the moon, that there's the landing gear, the, you know, it's got a pad. If we actually went to the moon. I know there's a lot of people there that don't believe it, but I'm.

[Doug]

Arching my eyebrows, but we'll refrain from comment.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah, yeah, but the. But, but. So I'm laying on my couch. Fast forward. I'm in Congress. I'm laying on my couch and I'm. I'm getting ready to go to sleep. I sleep in my office and shower in the gym. I'm not, as my banker says. He called me one day and said, he said, he said, brother, you're. He said, I'm pretty sure that you're the most honest member of Congress, but I know you're the poorest. So. So I do that. And, and so I was watching. There was a thing on UFOs, and they were talking about some former members were involved in some stuff, trying to find out something. And I thought, you know, I'm gonna start asking some questions. And then I'm walking down the street and the center of all media in Washington D.C. tMZ. His name's Colin. He's a good friend of mine. We've been to lunch and hang out some. But he, he stopped me and I didn't know who he was. And he said, hey, I'm with tmz. Said, what do you think about this UFO report that's getting ready to come out? And I said, I said, brother, it'll look like it was shot with a shotgun because it'll be, it'll be all redacted.

[Doug]

Oh yeah.

[Tim Burchett]

And, and then, and I said, and if it. And it won't come out when they say it's going to come out. And I said, really? Why? And I said, well, probably because the original report is probably going to have something in it and they're going to pull it back. And sure enough, they did. And it was heavily redacted and it was just a big fluff piece, nothing. And then I said the magic words, which end up putting on one of my T shirts, which I sell on my website, that more people believe UFOs and believe in Congress and, and for good reason and for great reason. And so people started calling me, you know, all these national figures that you see reporters, legitimate Reporters like yourself, people from all over the country. And so I start asking questions and when I get with Luna and some other folks, Matt Gates was involved in it at the time. And we, we went to the chairman and said, let's have a, let's have a hearing. And I think they really, Tucker, I think they just patted us on the head and said, sure, we'll have the hearing, you know, and they're going to make fun of you and go on. Turned out I talked to some old timers that were there, reporters. They said that was the most, the most attended hearing they'd ever had. They had to open up another room and there were people lined up down the hall. When I walked out at. I see it was, I guess in the morning I walked out. Office had to be on an early show about it. At 4:30 in the morning, people were already lined up outside the building and they come from all over the country. One guy came on his vacation and there was ministers there, there's people. So it really touched a nerve and.

[Doug]

You know, hoping for disclosure.

[Tim Burchett]

That's exactly right. The truth. And they're tired of being told they're idiots. And you know, and the funny thing about it all is, is that when I go to speak to groups, it never fails that somebody of prominence, of prominence will come, a doctor, a lawyer, a PR person will come up to me and say, hey, I had an experience. I was sitting at a house helping out a colleague. I rarely go out of town. This is kind of unusual for me. So this is kind of a. Interesting deal for me up here. But I went to another congressman's district, help him run for reelection. We were sitting in a country club and, and I'm not a country clubber type, as you can probably tell. Jackie Gleason said, I wouldn't join a country club that have somebody like me. And I'm sort of like that way, you know, And I sit next to this lady and she was classy. You could tell she was, she was old money, she wasn't new money. She wasn't. She had nice jewelry on and she had the clothes you could tell were, were nice. And she was, she was just a classy lady. And she said, she said Carson, about those UFOs. And I thought, well, here it comes, you know, I'm going to get popped. And she said, I had an experience when I was, when I was in college, she said, she talked about going to pick up her, her brother and this thing. Followed them down for several minutes. You know, it was a cylindrical shaped and it followed them. It was. I think it was close to dark and it was kind of lit up. It had a, I think a bluish tint to it or something. And it flew. It followed them for quite some time and then it just took off. And they were like, what in the world was that? And they, you know, this was in the 70s. And she said, I really haven't really told many people that. And I get stories like that. I had a. And when they film you. When I was early on in Congress, I had plenty of time, obviously, it being the 435th most powerful member of Congress. And, you know, these History Channel, all these folks would come interview me, and they would do. One time, they interviewed me for like an hour. So they would take segments of that and put that out for just multiple issues, you know, of their TV show, hunting UFOs or whatever. And I remember I was in Nashville at the time, and a colleague, a former state legislator, a guy was in leadership, called me up. And I remember he and I. It was kind of ironic that he was back, back in East Tennessee, and I was in Nashville for a get together I was throwing for our state legislators because nobody ever, when I was in legislature, nobody ever did anything for us from Congress. And I just get down there and throw him a spaghetti dinner or something, you know, and the phone rang and it was him. And he said, timbo, he said, I just saw you on TV on the UFO show. And I said, really? And I thought, here it comes, he's going to pop me. He said, let me tell you a story about when I was in the Navy. And he's older. He was hollering back at his wife, what year was that? And she would holler, it was, I think it was in the late 50s. And he was on a. I believe it's a tin can, but that's a destroyer. You probably know more. You could. But anyway, he was in the Navy, and he said they were. It was early on when they were first putting nuclear missiles on subs. They were unloading a missile for the sub. And he said the sub got out there and then this thing just flew over the top of him. He said, remember, he said, timbo, if that thing was two city blocks, it was, and it had to be two city blocks wide. He said it was cylindrical, and he named it and he described it. And then he said it, he said, and just took off. No noise, no heat, no vapor, nothing. And they all just stood there and we're talking, they're going, what the heck was that. Yeah, you know, and then they get back on shore, they go back to shore. And he said that, you know, the men in the suit, he said, I figured it was CIA or something. And they said if y' all don't. Is this national security? If you ever talk about this, you'll be busting rocks for the rest of your life. If you're lucky.

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[Doug]

So that attitude has not changed, not one bit. No. And the question is why? You know, why would the US government have an interest in lying about something that's visible to millions of people around the world? So many people, as you just said, have had the experience of seeing them in person. Why would they have an interest in hurting those people? Calling them crazy, right? Threatening them, et cetera. So tell us about your experience as you've pushed for more disclosure. What kind of reaction have you received?

[Tim Burchett]

I think the arrogance from the federal government. There's a control thing that you see in every aspect of government. Everybody in power wants to keep you out of their little circle of power, of course. And I think the monetary concern is there. If. If. Could you imagine if they had something that would. Could heat homes in the summer in the, in the winter and cool them in the summer and had zero cost? I mean, it's something that we could. It would put everybody out of business. The war pimps at the Pentagon would have to go out of business. They wouldn't. We wouldn't have to be in wars all over the world, which are. If you get down to it, it's about oil. It's always about oil. And. And so you've got the greed factor, you got the power factor, and then you got just the arrogance. The Bible talks about professing themselves to be wives that became fools. That's right. And there's nobody in Washington that doesn't think they're wise.

[Doug]

I wonder though. I mean, for sure. So you think there this is an effort to hide the existence of superior technology because it's a threat to existing industry?

[Tim Burchett]

I think that's part of it. And also. But it's like this. We're motorcycle guys. Say if I took a, say I took a brand new Indian or Harley Davidson down to back in time to you know, the Mayflower or whatever.

[Doug]

Exactly.

[Tim Burchett]

And gave it to them, you know they would maybe shine it. They wouldn't know how to do anything. I mean of course they didn't have car. We don't have carburetors. They wouldn't know how to do anything with fuel injection. They probably couldn't ever make the fuel high enough octane where it kick it off. They maybe could get it started if they got lucky at some point. Right. But that would be a rarity. I think that's sort of if there is something that they can't, they don't know what it is. And I think too they have compartmentalized this stuff. So you think for you I'm going to Freedom of information. Everybody says we just freedom of information at Birch it go to Area 51. There's nothing at Area 51. They've moved it to Wright pad or something else since then. But the point is, is that everybody in government is looking down the barrel or looking in their little area and to their knowledge most of those people are telling the truth and they send it off to these, these. There's five or six corporations that it's been in, it's been disclosed in, in, in hearings that we think probably has some of this technology but it has been so compartmentalized that people, I mean there's nobody alive that was around when in Roswell of 47 and incidents that happened in Texas and others all over the, all over the world. And so they don't really know what they're looking at. They're looking at something and they've, they've associated it or given it to these corporations that have a quasi governmental connection but they're far enough apart where I can't go foia. I can't go FOIA forward. I mean I could but they're just going to tell me go jump in the lake. I'm not going to tell you but.

[Doug]

I'm, I guess I'm stumbling over kind of the most basic claim that they make which is that all this information is classified.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah.

[Doug]

On what grounds could the federal government justify classifying reports of things that its.

[Tim Burchett]

Servicemen have seen every time it's national security.

[Doug]

Tucker, what does that mean?

[Tim Burchett]

I, I don't know but they, but you have a group of people that are so afraid of the. Well, the industrial war machine that funds their campaigns and you go to these, you look at all the people that, that, that stop. When I have a disclosure bill, I just want to know. You know, I'm not saying they're out there, but we're spending tens of millions. Every department, FBI, CIA. I'm pretty sure TVA doesn't, but they probably should. But there's probably every, every Alphabet agency in the country has a, have a wing that's investigating these things. NASA, they are all doing it. They're all doing. They'll admit that they're looking at something, but then you come to them, they say they don't exist, but we need the money to do it. And now the interesting thing is.

[Doug]

And that's in the budget.

[Tim Burchett]

Oh, yeah. And now the interesting thing is, is that the, is that they've seen that the opinion polls are showing that over half the people in the country believe something else is going on.

[Doug]

Of course.

[Tim Burchett]

And so now they're saying, hey, we need money to study this. I mean, it's, it's the cat drag going after its tail, really. And it's just a circular thing that they just. After money and they don't really care.

[Doug]

Of course they don't. That's for sure. But there is a process by which the Congress demands disclosure, and that process has been thwarted. And I'm just interested in getting details on how that happened. So the UAP Disclosure act of 2023, I think.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Required disclosure.

[Tim Burchett]

That passed.

[Doug]

Right.

[Tim Burchett]

Allegedly. But again, who's going to enforce it?

[Doug]

So, but what did that. Do you remember what that act required?

[Tim Burchett]

It is. I do not believe it passed. The one that I'm thinking about did not pass in the Senate because, remember, I had the bill, it was two pages long for disclosure.

[Doug]

What did it say?

[Tim Burchett]

And then it just said if it dealt with UAPs, UFOs, it disclose it. If, if a file contains it, America has a right to see it unredacted. And Chuck Schumer's was several hundred pages long and it was celebrated by everybody. And it set up a commission very similar to the Kennedy assassination, which here we are, you know, 60 plus years later, and still, you know, they're telling us this single bullet that was, you're, you're a gunman that they found on a gurney that was basically unscratched.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Tim Burchett]

You know, an hour and a half after the assassination in, in the hospital at Lakeland after going through two bodies, after two bodies and bone and everything else. And it doesn't, it just.

[Doug]

So, but Schumer's solution was we needed a Warren Commission to tell us to who can decide.

[Tim Burchett]

And that basically would just cover it up. And I trust America.

[Doug]

Of course, of course there's. But why would Chuck Schumer do that? Like, what's his motive? Do you have any idea?

[Tim Burchett]

I think his staffers drew up the bill and I think honestly in their, in their mind they probably thought it was the right thing. But here's my thing about staffers. Everybody wants to talk about, you know, the swamp. And I always go through this. A swamp is something pretty cool. God created a swamp. I grew up frog gigging and fishing and around swamps. They're pretty cool.

[Doug]

They're.

[Tim Burchett]

They attract animals for good reason. And, and so Washington D.C. is not, is not a, a swamp. It is a sewer. It is a man made creation. Now figure this, you've got a staffer and Republicans were supposed to be less government. I look at these stag. We get these pictures made every year, every couple of years. I don't know why I've never seen the picture. I'm not going to hang it up. My dad got my office of your committee, you know, and all the people on the committee and then all the staffers behind it. I counted one time on ours, I think it was close. In one of my committees, close to 50 people. And I guess so the Democrats would get 49 people. You know, supposed to be less government. So you have a staffer say that, that is the committees are just too big and too many of these chairmen, the biggest mistake they make is we're going to be different. We're going to be different. And what do they do? They keep almost every dadgum staffer and the staffer is already plugged in with the lobbyists with the K Street crowd. And they're the ones probably getting a little trip somewhere, maybe going out for a steak dinner, going out for drinks. And they're compromised. And so how many. I can't tell you how many times I've seen a good bill become a study bill.

[Doug]

I completely agree. Except in most cases it's like obvious why industry would want to subvert the legislation. Like they don't want the regulation, they don't want competition. You know, there are a lot of different obvious reasons. And you sort of see how the staffs are paid off. I get it. But UFOs, like, is there a UFO lobby?

[Tim Burchett]

Like, well, there's that.

[Doug]

Who wants that? Who's paying for that?

[Tim Burchett]

I think, and why? I think you've got major technology corporations, aeronautics, some of our missile defense people, for some reason they do not want this released.

[Doug]

That's very weird, because whatever's going on is clearly or would seem to be a threat to them.

[Tim Burchett]

Well, look at the.

[Doug]

Look, control your airspace, which we don't.

[Tim Burchett]

Right.

[Doug]

Why is that not a problem for Raytheon?

[Tim Burchett]

Look at the financial disclosure of the people that always fight me on these bills. That's what I would tell you to do.

[Doug]

And if we were to do that, I can think of one.

[Tim Burchett]

You see the names of a couple of those. With those. A couple of those corporations.

[Doug]

So it's defense contractors are. The bottom line is, I think what you're saying is the defense contractors, for some reason, we can only speculate, don't want this information disclosed.

[Tim Burchett]

That's correct.

[Doug]

Well, that's a very powerful lobby. Of course.

[Tim Burchett]

It's one of the most powerful ones. That's why we're. That's why we're sending $600 million to Ukraine and the National Defense authors, which I didn't vote for. I wanted to give our military more money. Military fighting men more money. But I didn't want to give the war pimps any more reason to Ukraine or any of these other wars we're in.

[Doug]

No.

[Tim Burchett]

And the interesting thing about the $600 million, I was told by our leadership and in our conference that the President had requested that. And then I talked to the White House, and guess what? The President had not requested that. Just $600 million. So, Bart, what's that? What are they going to do with that?

[Doug]

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[Tim Burchett]

A lot of people think that. That these folks are the ones that have the material from whatever craft or whatever it is. That's what I've been told by people in government and that are in the know. And, you know, it's funny, it was like.

[Doug]

It was like these companies have benefited from technology from whatever these things are, apparently.

[Tim Burchett]

That's what they're telling me. Yeah.

[Doug]

And inform people. Not just people.

[Tim Burchett]

No, not just some guy on the street. And it's funny, I've. I've had a. The Deep Throat moment, you know, where Nixon was overthrown and. And somebody comes up to me in the hallway, in a crowded hallway. Somebody who I would be consider a friend and suburb. Man, you really don't need to be doing this stuff, don't you? Man, you're kicking the hornets nest on this thing, you know, on the UFO stuff. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. And I've had them try to use it against me and campaigns and things, but, you know, they don't. We don't ever raise enough money to. To matter anyway.

[Doug]

Use against you in campaigns.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah, the whisper campaign, or they put it on the Internet. Burchett's. You know, all he cares about is this. No, I just care about where's the tens of millions of dollars going. I have a right to know.

[Doug]

Like, this is the biggest story in our. In human history, I would think. I mean, like, what is that?

[Tim Burchett]

Are we alone?

[Doug]

Yeah, clearly not. And so you're satisfied just to get to basics here quickly. You're satisfied that whatever we're seeing in the skies and have since at least the Second World War, since at least the development of nuclear weapons.

[Tim Burchett]

Yep.

[Doug]

Since Hiroshima, whatever that is, is not foreign military.

[Tim Burchett]

No. Because here. Here it is. If it was Russian. I mean, honestly, Putin with his ego he would ride bare chested down Pennsylvania Avenue, get out of ufo, you know, wrestle a, a bear on the front porch of the, of the White House and get back into, I mean, he wouldn't be bogged down in Ukraine. If it was China, they would own us. They clearly partially own us now. And if it's America, you wouldn't see Trump standing on an aircraft carrier in a jet flies by and breaks the sound barrier. And everybody thinks that's the coolest thing. I mean, it would be something a lot cooler than that. And so I just don't think we have that technology or we're able to utilize it.

[Doug]

So you've. So in the course of your probing into this, no one's ever taken you aside and said, hey Bertrand, back off a little bit. This is our stuff, we don't want to disclose it.

[Tim Burchett]

Pretty close to that. Pretty close to that.

[Doug]

But you don't believe it. You don't think this is our technology?

[Tim Burchett]

No, I do not. There's no way it is our tech. No way is our technology. There's. And I've talked to too many pilots. Why would we risk, why would we risk our best? I mean, I've talked to the best of the best pilots in the world that are ours, some of them, not all of them. And that have told me, I mean, one guy, I remember I was at the Capitol Hill Club, it was just an unusual encounter. A guy spoke to a group and, and he followed me out and said, you know, Tim, or congressman or whatever he said, he said that thing was 14ft. He went like this from my canopy. And I thought to myself, why didn't he say 15, why didn't he say 20? But he said 14. And then he just, he said this thing, it wasn't ours. They said, I don't know what it was, but it wasn't ours. And that's all I said. And I had a very high ranking member of the Navy describe some underwater experiences they'd had with something that was doing 200 miles. And with. Best thing we got is probably 40.

[Doug]

Doing 200 miles an hour underwater.

[Tim Burchett]

Underwater big as a football field. And that's no fish.

[Doug]

So is it possible, given our current understanding of physics, for any man made machine to go anywhere near 200 miles an hour underwater?

[Tim Burchett]

Not with our technology, no. The best we have is probably in the, in the high 30s. And he was converting it. Of course, knots is what the, the Navy guys would do.

[Doug]

But there's nothing, If I fire a.36 or any high caliber rifle underwater, it doesn't go 200 miles an hour. I can, I can probably catch it in the length of a swimming pool or so.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah, or it just falls down. Yeah, yeah.

[Doug]

I mean it's like.

[Tim Burchett]

So we've got. And this was, this was described to me in areas and I was quoted on, I was just. All I do is quote people that are, that are. That have knowledge. But this was one that was, he was talking about. There are five or six, I think, deep water areas of the ocean. You've traveled a lot. I have not. There's not a lot of deep water areas around, around East Tennessee at Fort Loudoun Lake or anything. But, you know, talking miles deep. And of course you've heard this before. We know more about the surface of the moon than we do the surface of the ocean. And he said, these are areas where we see a high propensity of these UFOs. And there was a case where it was fairly well documented. They had a multiple sightings. They were doing a maneuvers and they had the ships or boats, whatever you want to call them out there. I'm not a Navy guy. And, and there was the sighting in the air. And these, the pilots radioed back and said, hey, is there something going on? Is there another operation? We got some secret technology stuff we're working on. I said, we don't have any. And they, you know, Pentagon, nobody, nobody knew about anything. And they pulled it back. And then they pulled everything back, scrubbed the mission. And then the next day all their Internet traffic had been scrubbed. But this guy was kind of a wonk and he'd made copies of it. But, you know, the point I have there is why would we risk multimillion dollar apparatus and why would we put something in the air around our best pilots that could have a crash? Because these guys are talking about there's actually, you know, they've come close to collisions. Why would they do that? They would not do that. That would be stupid. I mean, there's even, even, you know, I always say military intelligence, a whole lot like congressional ethics. I don't think it really exists much anymore. But anyway, it's, I just don't think that we'd be risking that. So that, that, that's my proof that it's not ours.

[Doug]

So how many military personnel have you spoken to about their personal experiences with these things?

[Tim Burchett]

I'd say, I don't know, eight or nine, 10 maybe. You know, but I have to be real careful because I'm, I'm clearly somebody out there and I'm not backing down on it. I'm not ashamed of it or anything, but I don't.

[Doug]

You have no reason to be ashamed of it. Now, why would you be ashamed?

[Tim Burchett]

Well, that's what they try to do is they try to shame people. Oh, are you.

[Doug]

Are you hiding relevant secrets from the American public? I don't think you are, no. But why aren't they ashamed?

[Tim Burchett]

Well, I have to be careful about the white flags, the stuff they bring. Stuff bring. People bring me. That's not real.

[Doug]

Yeah, that's. That's why we're talking to you.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah. Well, that's.

[Doug]

A lot of people come to me with stuff like that.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah. And I've got these pictures and I want to show you this. I've got this. You know, I always afraid I'm going to end up on a. In a refrigerator up in North Carolina or a freezer in North Carolina somewhere, you know, because I don't. I'm not going up there and checking out some guy's fines he's got, you know, and I.

[Doug]

But do you think so I think what you're saying is the disinformation campaign run by whomever.

[Tim Burchett]

That's real.

[Doug]

Well, it's definitely real. And I assume it's run by the US Government or its satellites and the defense contractors. But part of the way that they discredit people who are interested in finding out what this is is by telling them false things.

[Tim Burchett]

And then they tried to destroy their careers. They did that to one of our guys, one of the very first person. The first hearing we had, if you remember, some weekly newspaper reporter found out that one of the guys suffered from PTSD for causes. Military career. You know what? In Tennessee, we embrace that. My daddy put on Pella in Okinawa. Until the day he died. I never woke him up over the top of him. I always woke him up by his big toe because he might have woke up on one of those dadgum islands and pinned me up against the wall. And so. And we celebrate our. Our. Our heroes. And. But Washington, D.C. just destroys them. And to think that a weekly newspaper found out this guy's medical history, which is a total violation of the law. Somebody should go to jail for it, but nobody did. They tried to destroy this guy. And that's. And, you know, that's what happens to people in Washington, D.C. that's what happens to our military heroes when they step out of line because of the sewer or deep state or whatever you want to call it. But that's what they. And that's why we need real whistleblower protection for them.

[Doug]

Well, I agree with that completely. Which we don't have. And by the way, I know two whistleblowers who are living outside the country because they can't come to the United States.

[Tim Burchett]

Sure. And I'll have people. Actually, I've had people call me. One last thing. I'm in the Longworth Building. It's no secrets, public record. But I've had people that'll call me or send message to me and want to come by and they won't come in that building, ask me if I can come outside. I've had people call me and want to come to the house in East Tennessee and because they don't want to come to Washington D.C. and talk to me, there's a, a well publicized television show that was on for a while that I didn't know, I didn't know they were coming. I mean, they said some people wanted to talk to me and it was a trusted friend. And I said, sure, send them. Bring them up to come on up to D.C. and I said, well, they don't want to come to D.C. and they drove from wherever to my house in East Tennessee on a Saturday afternoon. And then they put some stuff on a, on a screen that was pretty compelling. What was it was aircraft flying. It just crazy stuff that we can't do that would turn you or me into basically a catch up package. It was not.

[Doug]

No human being could handle the G force.

[Tim Burchett]

No, not at our. Well, with the technology we have. The G force would just have just tore them apart and, you know, was it, was it unmanned or whatever? I don't know. But these guys, and one of them was a. Well, they were scientists, Several of them were scientists. And they came to see you. They came to see me, yeah. And because it's kind of.

[Doug]

Wait, so what do you do with that information?

[Tim Burchett]

I try to understand, try to grasp it within my very small brain. And what am I supposed to do with that? As I ask God all the time, what do you want me to do with this stuff? Lord. And right now I've just got to get enough disclosure. I've come to the realization that nothing is ever going to happen, Tucker, until we have somebody in the White House that says enough is enough and just discloses it. And I hope President Trump and I have discussions with him privately and other times that I'm not. I've talked to his people. But at some point there's several of us, Luna and myself and several others that are concerned about this issue and we want some answers.

[Doug]

We've got none.

[Tim Burchett]

We've got none. Zero.

[Doug]

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[Tim Burchett]

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[Tim Burchett]

I think that is the sewer. That is the industrial war complex. I think I stated that in the in the committee, I think part of the thing they do is they outrun the clock. They outrun the clock. They, you know, we either stumble, one of us gets in trouble, or they get us in trouble, or they lose, or they move on to another object, you know, another shiny object somewhere else. We Americans want their pizzas in 30 minutes or less. And that's about Congress's attention span, you know, because we're always on one, and then it's the hot issue. And then the news cycle changes two weeks later on to something.

[Doug]

So you guys are often. Members of Congress are often briefed in skiffs. You know, it's a secure location that they immediately go and call CNN and tell them, you know, everyone was at the. But if a member of Congress received, quote, classified information about UAPs and then immediately held a press conference and said, here's what I just heard and saw, and yes, I'm breaking the law, but, like, tough. Why don't you do something about it? What would happen?

[Tim Burchett]

I don't know. They say they can imprison us, but I don't. They. You know, that's what we're told at the beginning. We're not even supposed to discuss. Some people will tell you, you can't even tell them that you've been in a skiff, but the press is waiting for you as soon as you walk out. Who told.

[Doug]

Who says that? Leadership of the.

[Tim Burchett]

Oh, yeah. Leadership. Yeah. And they'll. And I've been in a skiff before where they'll say, anything discussed in here, we remind you, is punishable by law. And, you know, it could. It's a felony. But the problem, you get in there, a lot of times, it's the arrogance and the lies that are told to us. They contradict. I mean, I. They'll contradict what another department has said. They'll say, this does. This didn't happen. This doesn't exist. And another one will say, this is one we don't know. But we can't figure out. There's just no answer. It defies all of our reason.

[Doug]

And so these are the briefers from various federal agencies that you're talking.

[Tim Burchett]

And they're generally arrogant. You know, this one kid with a man bun, I always remember him, he was very arrogant. And then I asked him about some specific instances. You know, there's one where we had a nuclear facility, something Buzz did, and the actual facility shut down. It was famously.

[Doug]

Yep.

[Tim Burchett]

Documented. And he.

[Doug]

In the Dakotas, I think.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah. I can't remember exactly after I read so many of these things. But. And he said. I remember he said, we have no data points on that. And I thought. And I said, dude, it's in all. Google it. It's everywhere. And I just. I get very frustrated, Tucker. A lot of times. I won't. I go to these classified briefs. And part of the reason you go to a classified briefing is to get information, which I'm sure that's where a lot of the stock trading goes on. But. But I think they bring you in and tell you stuff you already knew, so you can't even talk about it. I think it's a trap. I don't. That's why I don't go to a lot of the classified briefings because, again, I can just pick it up on.

[Doug]

The street right after the Congress funds the agencies that are briefing you.

[Tim Burchett]

That's correct.

[Doug]

So you could say to the Man Bun kid, you know, son, I pay your salary.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah. So maybe you was during the Biden administration. So I was a little bit out of.

[Doug]

Well, I mean, at this point, Republicans control the Congress, so, like, allegedly. I don't understand. I just. I'm honestly baffled as to why.

[Tim Burchett]

Too many. There's too many. It crosses both lines. I think, you know, that. That money runs deep and they contribute a lot to a lot of people.

[Doug]

So of the issues, and some are well known. I won't even bring them up here, but they're very well known that have bipartisan consensus, you know, like both parties agree on this issue. You would say UAPS are one of those.

[Tim Burchett]

I would say they are. I mean, AOC's in there. I mean, they're all in there. You know, it's just.

[Doug]

AOC show any interest in this topic?

[Tim Burchett]

She does. She does. I think, you know, she's concerned like everybody else. Where's. Where the tens of millions of dollars going? And I'm sure she could think about.

[Doug]

Well, what the hell are these things? That's like an even deeper concern. Yeah, the money's fake. We just make it.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah. We just print it. Yeah. But it's. Well, we've had, you know, what are they. We've had sworn testimony where they'll tell you. They'll say, yeah, I've seen beings. There's a movie coming out.

[Doug]

And. Hold on. And the testimony says. This is sworn testimony.

[Tim Burchett]

Testimony. They've got. They've. They're beings. And there's. There's saucers or some craft or something. But there's a movie coming out pretty soon if it's ever allowed to come out. I was in it a little bit. And then you have former members of the CIA, you have others that positively say they were there and they identified these things, they diagnosed them, and they saw them. They saw the craft, and there's enough people out there saying it, but they're just so suppressed. And the media moves on so fast on something. And I've been on so many of these interviews, and they're playing the. The theme from some crazy TV show or something before I come on, you know, and they're just making a joke out of it. And I get it. People want to laugh about it.

[Doug]

I don't get it at all.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah, I mean, I get the fact it's like an.

[Doug]

Absolutely.

[Tim Burchett]

I mean, they just want to humiliate me.

[Doug]

And it's a deadly serious topic, objectively speaking.

[Tim Burchett]

And if it's a national defense issue, it's everything. It's everything. I mean, it's not a national. It's a world defense issue.

[Doug]

It's a lot more serious than Black Lives Matter or any of the other nonsense that we've, you know, become obsessed with over the past generation. So, yeah, there's. I mean, that tells you right there, that's part of an. An operation designed to discredit people who ask questions, right?

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah. And I've had. I've had military personnel call me and tell me that they've. They've chased these things. They've been in the water. I had one guy tell me a story. He was an officer, and he was in the water fishing off. I think it was on the East Coast. And this huge craft flew over the. Flew over them. And then these several jets were flying, trying to keep up with it. And he identified the jets because he was obviously an Air Force officer. And. And he said, look, I. I just want you to continue on this thing. You're not. A lot of people have seen stuff. And he said, I have. And, you know, and, I mean, he had a distinguished career, but it just continues on and on and on, and it gets, you know, we get patted on the head and say, okay, you can have another hearing, and then we do it. But. But until somebody in the White House says disclose or somebody walks out of one of these labs with something and is. And shows it and puts it on YouTube before he's allowed to commit suicide, I think you're going to. That's the only way we're going to get to the bottom of it, because it will never. It's so deep, the layers. The onions, or onion is so deep, you just keep peeling it off and it's just a different person, a different story. You go over here and, and you know, a naivete of Congress. You have members telling me, well, let's just get a, let's go over here and get a, you know, we'll get a tour of the, of the, of where you think these things are. I say, dude, once we announce that, you know, the U Haul vans are already been there and gone, you know, it's, it's not, it's not that way. It's not going to work that way. Congress is not going to walk in there with all its magnificence and arrogance and find something.

[Doug]

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[Tim Burchett]

Why?

[Doug]

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[Tim Burchett]

I just don't think it's profitable for them. I think there's too much money and it goes too deep and you have a lot of soldiers. They're not literally soldiers, but people just follow orders and they think, and they said it's national security. They think it's national security.

[Doug]

So it sounds like you have no confidence that this stuff's going to emerge.

[Tim Burchett]

No, I have zero confidence on this side of when I get, when I leave this earth. I'll probably, I'll know then.

[Doug]

But you will Instantly.

[Tim Burchett]

Instantly. But I don't, I don't have any confidence in anybody in Washington currently. I have competence in Trump. I really do. I think if he's, if we can talk to him seriously about this for a short amount of time, I think he'll just tell him to jam it. We're gonna do it.

[Doug]

Well, I mean we had you know, these sightings last year over New Jersey, over the, the whole mid, mid east coast that the entire country saw and they were on video and we were gonna find out what those were. And then it was like, nah, it's totally for, we don't need to know what that. Like what was that?

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah, I, I still think it was a, it was part of Chinese influence. I think when they flew the balloon over, they, they wanted, it was 50s or 60s technology. They didn't have anything. They weren't, they are, I mean they got enough spies on the ground in every university and every think tank and every national lab, whatever, they got them there. But they, they wanted to see what our response was. They, they saw our political response which was zero, our military response, which was zero and our press response. And the only thing was the people were outraged about it, you know, and then they shot it down off the coast of Myrtle Beach.

[Doug]

So you think the drones, the so called drones over New Jersey last fall.

[Tim Burchett]

Were a Chinese operation, something or something very similar, somebody experimenting to see what our response would be. Because you know, you could, you fly an airplane over the country and somebody's gonna pick it up, but you fly a drone, make it a small nu, could have been a biological agent. And, and I think now they know they could do that, at least under Biden they could, they can't do it under Trump.

[Doug]

So if that was the Chinese who did that and the US government did.

[Tim Burchett]

Nothing in I think they had contractors here that, that provided them with that. That's, that's, that's my theory. What.

[Doug]

Any idea as to why the US Government want to keep that secret?

[Tim Burchett]

No idea either. Then the current administration doesn't know because the people that knew are gone. I just think the past administration was, was smoking mirrors. I mean, Joe Biden, if you ever had any conversations with him, I mean, it was clearly very clueless and it was very scary. If we'd have been in position. Whoever was calling his shots from the Obama administration scared me a lot. And of course they were the, the puppet masters. I feel like under this, under Biden, and I felt like he and the people around him just ran amok. I mean, you saw with the.

[Doug]

But why not? I don't understand. And I'm trying to keep my growing rage under control. Like why not tell.

[Tim Burchett]

I'm outraged.

[Doug]

Why not tell the public something true once in a while? Why the constant lying? Because if you, if you're constantly lying, then, then by definition you're evil. And you don't want to think that of your government, especially people you like in government. But like, why can't the public know anything ever? Do you have any theories?

[Tim Burchett]

Tradition. Tradition. Okay. I just don't. The more and more I know about government, you know, I've been in this gift before and I've walked out. And I remember one time I called my wife, I said, honey, go to the store and buy canned goods. We're, we're completely wide open. She said, all right, sweetie. And so what do we get for.

[Doug]

A trillion dollars a year to the US Military? We get anything in return?

[Tim Burchett]

We got some enhanced stock portfolios. And I'll give you a good, a great example when Joe Biden gave our military, or, excuse me, our missile defense system. You know, I haven't voted for a penny for Ukraine. I'm proud of that. It's not my dad gum war. I'm not sending my 18 year old daughter to a, a country that most members of Congress couldn't find on a dadgum globe. And so you have. We give them our, our missile defense system and then we have to replenish ours, which we should. We can't be left naked without any of that defense. And guess what? Some of those contractors we described get a multi, multi billion with a B dollar no bid contract. And who do you think has bought stock in that, in that company? Members of Congress two weeks prior to the President making that official notice. And, and you see it time and time again. I mean, do you Honestly believe members of Congress are making five and six. You've met some of these guys. I mean, they don't. They can't come in out of the rain, some of them.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Tim Burchett]

I mean, I'm guilty of that as well. But they're making 5 and 600%.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Tim Burchett]

A lot of really damaged return on their 5 and 600% return on investment and. And war is great for business. It's great for. It's great for the economy, but it's not good for. I don't think it's good for ourselves.

[Doug]

Wouldn't know. No, there's nothing worse. Killing people is not good. I know that's a controversial statement.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah.

[Doug]

But why is. Why is it impossible. Is to ban stock trading for members of Congress.

[Tim Burchett]

It's a great idea. I have the bill to do it. And that's why, you know, we have a bipartisan group again. Myself and prior Paul and I never get her name right. But Cortez and me and Chip Roy and a bunch of others, you know, we've got a. We've got a bill, but it's not going anywhere.

[Doug]

Why?

[Tim Burchett]

Because too many members of Congress. I mean, we were told by leadership that, you know, these. These guys can't afford. Can't afford to be here. You know, what if you can't afford to be in Congress and go get another dad gum job. More people have played professional baseball in the major leagues in a. Benny, nice. Should be an honor.

[Doug]

The idea is they should be allowed to do insider trading, which is a felony, because they don't get paid enough.

[Tim Burchett]

All you got to do is disclose it, and then if you don't disclose it, it's a slap on the wrist. You know, I make skateboards, and it's cheaper than a psychiatrist. I make them out of bamboo and banana fibers and crazy stuff. And it's a great.

[Doug]

Skateboards out of bamboo.

[Tim Burchett]

I do.

[Doug]

A lot of congressmen do that.

[Tim Burchett]

No, I'd say it. One does. I'm pretty safe in betting that. I would say it's cheaper than a psychiatrist. It's good, but. And I gave one to Tulsi Gabbard, and, you know, and it gets views and people. People over the country wanting to buy these things. So I'm a capitalist. I'm thinking, you know, I'd like to sell a few skateboards. I go to the ethics people. I take my D.C. chief with me, and she's very smart. My Knoxville chief is a lady. They're both incredibly smart ladies. So I take the DC lady with me and she's making notes. I mean, you know, I got to get an attorney involved in this thing. I have to have a business plan. You want to do insider trading, be a member of Congress, you want to sell skateboards, you better get you a dadgum lawyer. And that's what I'm having to do right now. I mean, I'm building a business plan.

[Doug]

Leadership actually said to you, we can't stop insider trading because they need the money.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah. And they've. In both parties. I mean, it's one of those. You talk about one of those issues that both parties agree on, both party leadership does, and because they don't want to upset the apple cart and America. That would be such a great thing to show America, hey, we're going to try to do what's right for once.

[Doug]

Do they know how much America hates them?

[Tim Burchett]

No. Every one of them. I always remember in my hometown when they did away with insider trading. I mean, I'm sorry, not insider trading. They did away with term limits. Excuse me. And they were interviewing some of the office holders. I mean, one office holder said, I just don't know if this county is going to exist without us. I don't see how they can go ahead. And I thought it was like I checked my, my calendars this April Fools. I thought it was a joke. I thought they were actually kidding, you know, I mean, that is the county do. We're still there.

[Doug]

Still there.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah. Great.

[Doug]

Bond race wasn't consumed by fire.

[Tim Burchett]

I was. No, no. Lord didn't come down and crush us like Sodom and Gomorrah. But, you know, but anyway, they've. They continuously for. To us. And now we've, We've pushed them now ahead of the treasury says, you need to do it. Trump says to do it. And so Luna says, I'm bringing merchants bill to the floor. I'm going to do a dis. You know, a discharge petition, and we're going to bring it to the floor and get enough members to sign on. I don't know if we can or not, but we're going to try. But here's the thing, Tucker. We'll pass a bill if we do, if the, if leadership shines on us, and we'll pass a bill, and then it'll be a tough bill, and then the Senate will pass one a little tougher on something we can't agree on. And then we'll say, look at those guys in the Senate. You know, they're 150 years old. They can't. They're so crooked. And they'll say, look at us, we're a bunch of cretins. You know, we don't know what we're doing. And then it'll go away. And well, we tried. And that's just the game they're playing. That is a game they play with everything. Either that or it's a study committee. So many bills. And I was talking about that with the, the staff, you know, they'll, they'll get you to, oh, don't do this bill. Let's do a study bill and then come back next year with all this. You know, Tucker, have you ever seen that last scene in Raiders of the Lost Ark where they're going into that warehouse? You know, it just goes on and on. I'm pretty sure that's where all the study committee bills go to after they pass them. And you put in your local newspaper, oh, look at this great bill because it has the same title but it doesn't do anything. And then you don't. And then next year you don't pass anything. You don't come back with anything because you've already so called past your line bill. And, and that warehouse is full of all those reports because I've never seen, I've never ever seen one of those reports after we pass those bills.

[Doug]

No, of course not. I just wonder though, I mean, the details of this are interesting, but I think the broad outline is already known by the whole public, which is this is fake and these people are in it for reasons that have nothing to do with the public interest.

[Tim Burchett]

And I, you know, everybody wants to rail on Pelosi. She's not, if you go on the unusual Wells website, she's not even in.

[Doug]

The top 10 free insider trading.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah, she's, I think she's number 11. But you know.

[Doug]

Yeah, I know some of the people on that list.

[Tim Burchett]

I do too. I know every dad got one of them. And there's a list of 100. And my wife always checks it every year. She said, honey. I said, I know, sweetie. I mean my 12. My buddy Tommy Sailer manages my $12,000 portfolio. Everybody do like I do. Put it in mutual fund. I pulled it out last year. This recently just pulled it out so I could pay for my daughter's school, which is what I established it for in the first place. But it's, you know, and that's. And when this airs, I'm going to make a lot of enemies. And here's what's going to happen. I'm going to tell you without a doubt, maybe not Since I'm going to tell you, how can they be mad at you pointing out the obvious? Somebody will come down and sit beside me, somebody in leadership or somebody I'm friends with in Congress, and say, man, some of the guys are really upset with you on this. I say, well, I'm what? And they say on this, what you said on such and such. And I've said this before. I said, and this will be a chapter of my book if I ever write it. And I said, but you know, it's the truth, right? And they go, oh, yeah, we know it's the truth. We just wish you wouldn't say it anymore. And I can't tell you how many times I've had that conversation.

[Doug]

There's no shame. Like, we've all done bad things.

[Tim Burchett]

12% of the population votes, Tucker. Nobody listen. It's a game we need to start. People start needing to get their grandkids to educate them how to, how to get on the computer and read these bills that we're passing and look at the game we're playing with y'. All. These 3,000 page spending bills that, you know, fund whatever you need for your lab or whatever. Then you read down and it's funding circumcisions in Madagascar. I mean, things like that, literally drag shows or abortion. Or abortion, which is abhorrent. And so I, you know, it's just a. It's just a game and it's a. And America needs to start paying attention. And Congress, members of Congress, look, people, they always say, we need more people to vote. But as long as they're winning, that's what leadership's about in either party is staying in power. It's having the suburban. It's being three deep with security. It's never standing in line at a, at the movie theater or going to a ball game or a concert. You know, it becomes self preservation.

[Doug]

I remember when January 6th happened, and I was shocked. I was completely shocked by it.

[Tim Burchett]

And I was the last House member to leave the floor on January 6th. Good for you.

[Doug]

And I was like, wow, this is. I hate vandalism, whatever. Now I look back and I'm like, I understand exactly why they did that. I'm not mad about it at all. I think that Congress should have taken notice that people are really, really mad at Congress. And instead they just ignored it and are like, no, everyone who did it is a. Is a Nazi. And we need more security.

[Tim Burchett]

Really?

[Doug]

That's your takeaway? You need more security? Maybe you need to act in a way that people Respect. So the country doesn't hate you because you're supposed to be representing the country.

[Tim Burchett]

And the hundred plus federal agents that.

[Doug]

Were intertwined, the whole thing was fake, obviously. I was.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah.

[Doug]

I don't get into it. Yes.

[Tim Burchett]

No.

[Doug]

I spent a lot of time fighting about this at Fox News when they, you know, people resigned when I said, I think this was like a setup. Oh, I can't work with a Nazi. It turned out to be true.

[Tim Burchett]

But again, it's a, it's how many years later. And nobody cares.

[Doug]

Nobody cares. So it's not, I'm sorry to make it about me. I didn't mean to do that. It's just I'm mad about the topic. But the point is, it's your show, brother. No, no, it, no, but it's just, it's about the Congress and I think you need a legislative body, not against the Congress in theory. What I'm worried about. Here's the point that I'm attempting to make in a long winded way, which is if you don't pay any attention at all to how people feel about you when your job is to represent those people, that system can't continue. And you're going to get a January 6th. But for real, at some point, if you keep acting this way, it will.

[Tim Burchett]

Be an armed situation, actually, and a.

[Doug]

Lot of people will applaud it. I'm not rooting for that at all. I'm just saying that's gonna happen. Do members of Congress get this? Do they understand how hated they are? Do they care?

[Tim Burchett]

I think there's an arrogance associated with being in Congress. I think there's a complete arrogance. I always remember one time I was at a UT football game when I was in the legislature and a former member or. Well, they're all dead. Most of the people I served with, a lot of them are pulled up, parked, illegally got out of their car and just come strutting across the parking lot. My buddy said, who the heck is that? And I said, he's a pretty big deal in Nashville. He said, tell him ain't in Nashville, he's in Knoxville. And I, you know, and I always remembered that because now that guy's a judge who was telling me that my best friend. But he, it was just, you know, a wake up moment that I realized early on that, that everybody has got this fiefdom type mentality and it's. Who can represent better than me? Nobody. And I can tell you right now, there's probably 200,000 people in my district that could probably Do a better job than I am. I'm just hard headed enough to stick my head out.

[Doug]

A lot of people don't want it because it's frustrating.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah, they see the security issues now too.

[Doug]

Is there ever a moment in, you know, like at lunch with your colleagues where somebody says, man, have you looked at the numbers? People really hate us. This is a problem.

[Tim Burchett]

I usually don't eat lunch with my colleagues, so. Okay. But I mean, I have a few close friends.

[Doug]

During the course of the day at work, in the U. S. Congress where you do work, does anyone ever note that, like, we're more unpopular than like chlamydia and that's not good?

[Tim Burchett]

No, yeah, I'd say we're, I'd say chlamydia out outranks us.

[Doug]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, no, no, definitely. Chlamydia has its defenders. No.

[Tim Burchett]

1 defense. No, no. But yeah, there's a bunch of us. I mean, we, we see what's going on, we just shake our head. But it's a lot of frustration though, Tucker. You know, we're in a minority. You look at spending bills and then look at the opinion polls on things like Ukraine, other things, and you look at the board and you're wondering, where are we at? Yeah, what's going on? And you know, and for guys like me, though, it gets incredibly tough because, you know, the big boys start calling and the bank account dries up pretty quick. It's hard to raise money for somebody like me. It is incredibly tough to raise money. A lot of most of my contributions are just hard work and God fearing people. They'll send me $10 in a Bible verse, you know, and I don't. The billionaires usually are for me, the day after the election.

[Doug]

Yeah, I noticed. And they're out in force against a couple of your colleagues who said things that are totally consistent with what the public wants.

[Tim Burchett]

Right.

[Doug]

And, and, but the billionaires don't want it.

[Tim Burchett]

They don't want it. And they, and they control a lot of the media and. But fortunately, now for the Internet, we can.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Tim Burchett]

Bypass people like you and I can bypass that.

[Doug]

Oh, I'm grateful every day. Can I ask, so you're, you represent eastern Tennessee, which is much more conservative than say, the Memphis area or even the name.

[Tim Burchett]

Actually, I did one point better than president Trump, but if he were here today, I'd say that was in fact an error and that you carried me over the finish line. Mr. President.

[Doug]

I think you would have to say that. Yes, sure.

[Tim Burchett]

But.

[Doug]

So your threat is not in the General election. Like it's, it's an R plus whatever.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah, it's primary, but it's just be a primary. Right, but they could drop big money in and the dark money and.

[Doug]

Okay, so that's. A member like you is vulnerable in the primary.

[Tim Burchett]

And someday I'd like to maybe if I had the opportunity to get to the US Senate, I wouldn't mind doing that. But that would be. Katie bar the door. They'd pour the money and all over the country to beat me. So.

[Doug]

Of course. But you're even seeing with a couple of your colleagues are getting primaried by billionaires because they've said things that are, you know, true but not acceptable, I guess. But are you worried about being primaried?

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah. There's only two ways to run scared and unopposed. And I, I'm a product of the primary. The first race I won, I, I beat an income. But in a state House race, 99 House races that year, I was the only person to beat an incumbent. And I won with just 21 3/4 percentage points ahead. I knocked on over 6,000 doors. I'd been run out of town or run out of business by the government. And it was a great lesson. But I did knocked on over 6,000 doors. And I think I raised around 8 or $9,000, I can't remember. And I thought, how am I going to spend all this dadgum money? Every morning I'd wake up, my mom and daddy, of course, were living then, and I would throw up because I had this horrible taste of peppermint in my mouth. And the reason I had peppermint, because I licked all my stamps. That's back in the day you had to lick stamps.

[Doug]

Yes.

[Tim Burchett]

And I remember one morning I woke up and I was rolled up in them. I was like in a cocoon of stamps. But, you know, I wake up every morning, I'd throw up and mama would make me a turkey sandwich on white bread and give me a Sprite and I'd get right back and knock on doors for breakfast. Yeah, that's all I could hold down. And I'd get out and knock on doors all day long. And you know, I lost over 20 pounds, got bit by a dog, took off my shirt. I look like a target. I just read on the rings and white in the belly, you know, and, and, and so. But it was, I learned, wore out a pair of New Balance shoes and the only shoes at the time that were made in America. So I, I'm kind of big on that. And so we won and spent Four years in the house and then I just come off of a business deal. I had a mulch business, had a composting business. And I'm, I'm a capitalist. But I can remember, remember that scene in the Godfather, right before he dies, the original Godfather, he's spraying that on the, on the tomatoes and the little grandbabies running around him. My daddy had one of those sprayers, I mean, where he grew these tomatoes. And at the time, I remember, I think he spent $20 on tomatoes and fertilizer. And we got like three of these gnarly tomatoes. Of course, this is in the 70s and we're family of public educators, so 20 bucks is righteous bucks. I said, daddy, I'd like to try that. I want to try organic gardening. And he said, all right, you go ahead. And at the time, KUB used to come by the house and a chipper truck and they pick up all your brush, you know, throw them in the back of one of those big chippers and they'd spit it in the back of the truck. And I said, what do y' all do with that stuff? We take it to the landfill. I said, really? How much they pay you for it? And they said, they don't. We pay em to take it. This was in 1978. I was in the eighth grade. As the wheels started turning, like, man, that's a business idea. I said, dump that stuff here. So they dumped it and I composted it. And I had a crazy, incredible garden. Squash beans, strawberries, tomatoes, of course. And I fed the church, the neighborhood, everybody come by the house. I had friends, enemies. I give them a sack of tomatoes. Well, fast forward. Went to college. Six years of undergraduate studies at the University of Tennessee. I thoroughly enjoyed my college career. Six years of studies. I didn't drink or smoke pot, and it still took me six years. That's pretty good. Ended up agreeing technological adult education. I was certified to teach shop, took a few art classes, and apparently I got an art certification, I think on my certificate, I believe. But anyway, so I can weld and fix motors and I can burn your house down if you need it wired. I can't do that very well, but all the other machine shop stuff, I can do that, or I could at the time. So I came up with this idea, taking all the city's yard waste. And I presented it to then the city mayor. I said, what are you all doing with it? I said, we take it to the landfill and they could pay me a reduced fee of what they take it to the Landfill. I would grind it and then sell it. Well, we had a blizzard that year, so we did about. Seems like we did 30,000 tons that first year. And they paid me around as under 20, but just say $20 a ton. So I was making $600,000. And this was in 91 or 92. I been out of college for a little while, worked in the business world and I. I literally. I would have been a million. I became very wealthy, but I had to grind it. So it cost me about a half a million dollars. So I was still clearing a hundred thousand dollars, living at home with my family, who's public educators. So $100,000 was pretty righteous bucks. But then I sold it. I sold it for, I think it was $20 a pickup truckload. So I was selling between. I would sell 4 to 5,000 pickup truckloads a month. So I mean, I was raking it in. It was all cash. And I reported everything and had accountants. I made sure everything. I was crazy honest. I gave half of it away to churches and schools. Well, somebody decided they wanted that business when I think ended up happening. And they accused me of taking toxic waste. They said, there's bacteria in that. Newspaper articles, there's Bacter in his mulch. Well, human body contains a half a pound, a quarter pound of bacteria. I mean, it aids in digestion. If the earth didn't have bacteria, it'd be a cube. I mean, we just press it, you know, nothing would. So Smoky Mountains, there's not in these parks out here. There's nobody running around in a white suit collecting every leaf, you know, and put it. So God had a plan and. And bacteria is part of it. Well, of course it had bacteria in it. And they would test it. And they did a faulty test and finally it just got ridiculous. The EPA even came in. And oddly enough, the day after they closed my business, I got the EPA report and it cleared me. Said, in fact, there is bacteria in there, but there's not abnormal amounts. There's nothing. And the head of UT's microbiology department, I'll never forget this, he Tucker, he ate my mulch on the news to prove that this was just bogus. This is crazy. And the state would come in and shut me down. They get.

[Doug]

How was it?

[Tim Burchett]

Huh?

[Doug]

How's the mulch?

[Tim Burchett]

Delicious.

[Doug]

Yeah, delicious.

[Tim Burchett]

Tastes a lot like chicken. So anyway, I end up losing that business. And I remember my dad told me, he said, put an American flag on top of that mulch pile. And I did. And he said, this thing's bigger Than that. Daddy's World War II veteran, nothing. He's calm under fire, man. Him and Mama both were wonderful people. Mama flew an airplane during the second World War, Depression era. Didn't have electricity. She's senior in high school. They were tough people and they didn't like what they were doing to me. And apparently the public didn't either because I knocked on, I said, I knocked on over 6,000 doors and beta respected incumbent, I guess, in the primary. And, and I never looked back. And I became. I was in the state House for four years, state Senate for 12 years. And that's sort of been my thing, even with the UFOs. My thing is when people come to me because you can hire a lobbyist, you can hire a lawyer, but the average working guy, they call the, they call the front desk and asked, can I speak to Tim? Because they think they know me because they, you know, the government's ripped them off. And I always remember during that time, it was when. Do you remember Travelgate under the Clinton administration?

[Doug]

Yes.

[Tim Burchett]

And it seems like I think Hillary and Bill, they, they, if I remember correctly, they, these people that were running the travel operation at the White House, in Congress, they ran them out of business.

[Doug]

They so put their friends in there.

[Tim Burchett]

So they can put their friends in there. And those people travel the country because I remember they had a half a million dollar or had 300,000 in legal expenses. I had more than that in the mulch business. I mean, they were threatening a felony. They were going to throw me in the federal penitentiary over this thing because I wouldn't give up. And they had, and I remember the University of Tennessee, this liberal professor gave his kids extra credit if they would come picket me. And they came down there and they brought the neighborhood, they brought neighborhood people down there and they had misspelled words in their signs, you know, and they'd park their BMWs around the CLA, around the side, and they could come picket me to look like they were just. And they all dressed down. It was the most pathetic thing. And, and the, and I remember the person at the city that was really orchestrating it all against me was. I remember seeing them hug the reporter that was writing all the nasty articles about me. And I just, you know, the whole thing was just. And I saw, I see Americans getting run down the road and I think that's why people like me appeal. There's not a lot of folks like me, obviously, in Congress, but folks like me appeal to people because they've been run over and they know they can call me and I can. And I'm not judgmental. I just say I don't care if they vote for me or not. I have people that are convicted felons. People have killed people before, and I've helped them out because I don't care. Because I see the system. It ran over me. And I was just some white middle class kid from West Knoxville, and the system ran me over.

[Doug]

Well, speaking of someone, I've got two questions before I forget One. Have you ever been threatened since you've been in the US Congress with a primary challenge by your own party? Has anyone your own party said, knock it off or we'll fund a challenger?

[Tim Burchett]

They flew. From what I understand, a couple people were flown to D.C. i know one apparently was, and I think the other one was. And they either called me or called somebody else and said, you know, no, Tim's. Tim's a good. Why? Why? Because I rock the boat. I'm not.

[Doug]

In what way?

[Tim Burchett]

Question leadership. I don't. I call them out. I can remember one time, was it.

[Doug]

The UAPs, do you think, or no?

[Tim Burchett]

Well, I mean, they use that. They think they can use that against me. It's other things. It's much deeper than that. I can remember when I went in conference, we were at the Capitol Hill Club, and they meet over there legally, so we can talk about fundraising. And then we're in the Capitol and have our conference meeting to talk strict politics. And I asked the head of the committee that was carrying the bill, I said, ma', am, I said, how much money is in this bill? And she said, I don't know. And I said, no, I mean, the bill that you're talking about right now, the one that we're getting ready to spend all this money on, how much is in it? And she said, I don't know. And leadership said, man, you can't. What are you doing? What are you doing? I was like, what do you mean, what am I doing? I come from Tennessee. We run a balanced budget in Tennessee. It's a crazy concept. We have zero debt. That's why everybody's claiming leadership.

[Doug]

Didn't want you to ask how much.

[Tim Burchett]

It just made everybody uncomfortable, I guess. I don't know. But it's things like that. I get it. I get it. I ask questions, you know that. It just. It's just part of the system. They beat you down. They beat you down. And then you see them. And then, you know, next thing it's like. That's like in Cool Hand Luke, where. Where Paul Newman is he comes back, they beat him down and beat him down and he's, he becomes, you know, the warden's boy. But then in really reality, it was all an act and he ends up stealing a truck and getting killed. But I don't plan on stealing a truck and I don't plan on getting killed. I'm not suicidal.

[Doug]

Congress won't continue to exist if they keep acting like this.

[Tim Burchett]

I mean, this country will not continue to exist if we don't get our financial ship in order, we will sink, and it is. We're 36 trillion in debt. Nobody cares. All they care about is getting to that next election. That's bottom line leadership. Anybody else? These people are all my friends. I'm not making any friends.

[Doug]

I notice people who have a different view or say things like you're saying, so Massey, above all, Marjorie Taylor Greene, you. I'm not saying you guys agree on, on everything. I don't think you do.

[Tim Burchett]

We're all very close friends.

[Doug]

But you have a similar orientation, which is like actually pro America. Is this good for the country or is it not? And all three of you are either dismissed as crazy or really, really hated. In the case of Massey, it's like, you know, he's the target of like a very serious.

[Tim Burchett]

Oh, they'll dry his money up and spend millions against him.

[Doug]

Is he gonna win, do you think?

[Tim Burchett]

I don't know. I don't have any idea. I don't, I haven't looked at the numbers. I don't, I don't pay much attention to polls except election night. If it's close, then I question those.

[Doug]

Yeah, you have every reason to. You said it earlier in our conversation that members of Congress were compromised. What did you mean by that?

[Tim Burchett]

Well, I was on. Can I, can I name a rival of yours or maybe. I don't know.

[Doug]

I want you to name anything that comes to mind.

[Tim Burchett]

I was on the Benny show and it was early on, and Benny and I become friends. I didn't realize he was so close to Charlie, Charlie Kirk, but he, but he had me on early on and I, and I didn't. Honestly, I didn't know who he was. And he asked me about that and I said, well, I said, here's the way it works. It's the way it's worked in the past. The Russians even have a name for, you know, the honey pot. You and I don't go on overseas trips much. I've been to one trip, and that was prior to. I've been on one codell. That's I went to the Mexican border, and I went down one day with Andy Biggs, who's. No. Who's a good Mormon, is hopeful, maybe be the governor of Arizona. But he. He said, bridget, we're going on this trip. I know you don't go on these things, but it's just. It's just one. Like you'd like. We'll go down there and back, stay in an awful motel, or eat some cheap Mexican food, some barbecue, and we'll put you on a plane back to Tennessee. And I said, all right, Andy, I'll do it. And. But, you know, that's about it. That I've done. And so what happens is you're. You're. You're overseas, you're being told how great you are, you're sitting at a bar and somebody. And they know what you're into, guys, gals, combination thereof, drugs, whatever, and they'll hook you up. And you're thinking, you're the stud. You're the.

[Doug]

You're.

[Tim Burchett]

You know, your wife's away, nobody will know. Halfway around the world, you end up sleeping with somebody, and then, you know, you're out. Next day, you're flying back to America. You know, you're. You're back front row at the church, you know, and then you're getting ready to make a key vote, and somebody comes up and whispers in your ear, hey, man, were you in a motel room with a girl and, you know, Istanbul or something? Oh, crap. He goes, man, we don't want that out. He goes, no, no, no, no, no, we don't. We're not going to put that out. I said, if you can help us on this little bill, though, you know, now that's the way they used to do it, and I'm not so certain they don't do that now. And it's funny, when I did that show with Benny the next. And, oh, I caught Hell, I got hell.

[Doug]

You said that.

[Tim Burchett]

I said that. And members said, oh, you can't be saying that stuff, Burchett.

[Doug]

Why?

[Tim Burchett]

You know, truth hurts, I guess, for some people. And other people.

[Doug]

Have you ever, by the way, just parenthetically ever been attacked for saying something false or only true things?

[Tim Burchett]

Only true things.

[Doug]

Yeah.

[Tim Burchett]

Only true things. So I'm. It's funny. The next week, Tucker, there was this huge. And I said, it always gets covered up, and everything gets covered up, and then somebody owns you. That's compromised. That'll be the title of my book, if I ever write a book. Tim Burch. It's Compromised Washington because That's what happens or it has happened in the past. The very next week a Chinese prostitution ring was busted in where? Washington D.C. and who are the. And it was listed in the paper. Who is their client list? High ranking officials in government, elected officials and lobbyists. Now to me that, that's all kinds of red flags going up all over the place. Well, and then the next week the story disappeared. Yeah, of course it did. But I think what they do now mostly is they have jobs. If you look at these guys and gals and you know they're, they have a wife and, or girlfriend that'll work in one of these industries. I mean $100,000 to a multi billion dollar corporation is nothing. I mean it's, it's extra supply paper clips or something. I think that's how they do it. Now you have them in, in political offices, you have them in business offices, you have them all over and you have what? They're employed and so they own your ass. Ah, see, they're employed by these people. I'm sorry.

[Doug]

Get my wife a job, get my.

[Tim Burchett]

Girl a job, get them both a job, you know, and keep them separate. And you know, I know of. I mean it's, it's just, it's just common. I mean I hear about all the time. I hear about.

[Doug]

Very common.

[Tim Burchett]

I hear. I mean it's, I mean they just talk. Oh, she, she works over at Defense. She works over at Justice. She works for this case or he does or somebody does or they work back in the district for such and such. I mean it's just human nature.

[Doug]

People that members of Congress are sleeping with, either legally or not are employed by forces that want to control members of Congress.

[Tim Burchett]

That's what they used to do and now I'm pretty sure. You know, I knew of instances where that happened when I was in the legislature. And now they do it through the employment agencies.

[Doug]

Through employment agencies.

[Tim Burchett]

I mean just, I mean they employ them is what I'm saying.

[Doug]

They employ them. Yeah. No, I mean I know a bunch of members of Congress I can right off top of my head, I can, can think of with spouses in this.

[Tim Burchett]

Or that and they might be incredibly qualified. But the reality is America's not buying that nobody should. But again, 12% of the population votes. This is what you get.

[Doug]

I have noticed just having spent my life in D.C. that people's personal lives are getting weirder in the Congress. Have you noticed that? Without, without implicating anyone by name. I don't think I'm imagining this. It's not just sleeping with your scheduler. It's weirder than that. Now, have you noticed that I try.

[Tim Burchett]

To stay in my office as much as possible?

[Doug]

Well, I just want to say for the record, I never heard of anybody participating in an orgy in Washington, D.C. in my entire life. And I've heard a lot about it recently. So that is. I wasn't there. I'm not going there, but I think that's real.

[Tim Burchett]

So I've never been. I. I don't know if it is or it isn't. I'd like. I'd hope that it isn't, and I'd like to think that it isn't. But I never been invited. So.

[Doug]

Yeah, I.

[Tim Burchett]

When I was in the state legislature, we used to talk about that, how we knew some people were pretty shady and. But, you know, they never. They would never come to somebody like me and offer me anything because they knew my background.

[Doug]

No. And they know you're making skateboards in your garage, so you're busy in my barn. So. One of the members of Congress who all of us were encouraged to think was weird and to hate, he was almost like a ritual sacrifice for the sins of the. Of the entire body, I felt, was this guy, George Santos. George Santos was not even a full term congressman from New York who was, you know, like a serial fabricator. May have all these kind of amazing stories about his life. And he played on competitive volleyball, he worked at Goldman Sachs. And it was all kind of. It was all fake. He was. He was both Jewish and something else, I can't remember. Anyway, it was all made up. He wound up, we always say Jewish.

[Tim Burchett]

They heard Schumer say that.

[Doug]

I was amused by the whole thing.

[Tim Burchett]

Maybe I was too bad. But I just thought, who. Who is Congress to stand in judgment anyway?

[Doug]

But I don't. Well, that's it. But I don't remember George Santos ever advocating for, like, killing innocent people, which is like, very common.

[Tim Burchett]

George Santos had one of the most conservative voting records in Congress across the board. Conservative. I mean, sometimes I'd look up there and think, that gum, George? That's a. That's a little harsh for me. You know, he'd vote against something that was right, and I'd say it cost $5. Birth, it were broke. And I go, all right, gee, you're good. I'm good with it, you know.

[Doug]

Interesting.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah.

[Doug]

So George Santos went up in prison. And I spoke to someone this morning who's close to George Santos, who visited him in prison this weekend.

[Tim Burchett]

Right.

[Doug]

And told me that he saw George Santos shackled in chains. And he's been in solitary since he got to prison. He did an interview.

[Tim Burchett]

He's doing time in a federal lockup, too.

[Doug]

In a federal lockup? In solitary confinement, 24 hours a day.

[Tim Burchett]

He's 24. He gets out, I think one hour to maybe eat and take a bath.

[Doug]

What is going on? How did George Santos wind up in prison for like seven years and now he's in solitary?

[Tim Burchett]

What's P. Diddy doing? Four, maybe.

[Doug]

Oh, I know actual criminals who I know who were like celebrated on the front page of the newspaper. So I know a lot of them, so whatever. Not, I don't want to lecture with the deep unfairness of life, but like, what is that why I think he.

[Tim Burchett]

Was a sacrificial lamb. And I think our party and everybody else just kicked him to the curb and said, look how righteous we are. And I just don't, you know, he'd always sit with me on sinners row. That's what I call it. Every time somebody would get in trouble, they would or proceed to be in trouble, because I'm not, man. I, I, I've said this before, and I mean, I'll say it publicly. I, George was under a heck of a lot of pressure and I call myself a Christian. And if I sat there and watched him kill himself over something and, and he went to hell, I'd have that on my soul. And I just don't want that. And, and you know, my chief of staff called me one day and said, holler, hey boss. I said. He goes, I know what you're going to say. And I go, what is it? And he said, nobody wants to take George as their mentor. Would you be his mentor? I said, sure, sign him up. And he just shook his head and I said, yeah, he'll do it. And then, and George and I just became fast friends. You know, his, his office was caddy cornered of mine and the press would be just lined up down the hall and I, some kid would walk by close in stature down the other, and I'll go, hey, there's George Santos. And they'd all run down there and, and chase him. And I'd have fun with that. And then George would come in the office and I would talk to him about that and I'd talk to him about my faith. But, and you know, I just said, this ain't, this is not reality. George, don't. And he's, I'd say, promise me, if you think you're going to take your life you'd call me anytime, night or day. He said, I will, Tim. Don't worry. And he never did, you know, but when he'd call me from time to time and.

[Doug]

But who are like, how did he wind up in prison?

[Tim Burchett]

And to me, I just don't understand that. We just turned our back on him and.

[Doug]

And the Republican Party leadership did.

[Tim Burchett]

Oh, absolutely. They don't anywhere near it. We have to, you know, I guess.

[Doug]

Like, he's creepier than they are. Sorry, that's not true.

[Tim Burchett]

Well, no, true.

[Doug]

That's. So I'm just. You don't have to say that. You work there, but they're. They are way creepier than George Santos.

[Tim Burchett]

Fact, George is a very interesting guy. And yeah, he fabricated a lot of stuff, but he's literally doing more time than. Than P. Diddy or what it Combs or whatever his name is.

[Doug]

Solitary confinement.

[Tim Burchett]

Solitary confinement. And generally solitary is where they put the violent people, the people that have committed heinous crimes. And I hear people. Good, good. I hope they lock him up the rest of his life.

[Doug]

And I heard someone say that about George Santos.

[Tim Burchett]

Oh, yeah, I've heard it.

[Doug]

Where?

[Tim Burchett]

In Congress. I've heard him talk about it and how bad it made it look for us. I was like, for us. I said, have you not read the papers? We do a pretty good job of making it look bad.

[Doug]

I don't think George Santos started the Ukraine war. I mean, what.

[Tim Burchett]

No, we just. I don't know. I think, again, we're a little big on ourselves sometimes.

[Doug]

It does. See, he's clearly being punished. He clearly has powerful enemies. I'm not sure who they are, but. Or maybe I don't understand the whole thing, but how this person called me this morning to say, can you save George Santos? I mean, I said, I'm a podcaster. I can't save anybody. But I. I don't know that this is, like, this is truly wrong. What's happening to George Santos is completely wrong.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah, he. He committed. I guess he. He took money he shouldn't have, but.

[Doug]

Was a campaign finance violation.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah, a campaign finance violation.

[Doug]

Correct. Right. The whole category is.

[Tim Burchett]

And you know, they. They stack so much up against him. I think the amount of time he was going to do was just incredible. If he'd have stacked them on top of each other.

[Doug]

But then to torture him once he gets to prison, I think is.

[Tim Burchett]

He's. If he. If he. If he lives through it all, he's gonna. He's gonna have one heck of a story to tell.

[Doug]

You don't want to live in a country that does that to people. I don't think. I mean, so only Trump can save him. Is that kind of where we are, do you think?

[Tim Burchett]

I think so. I think so. And they can commute, you know, they did these realities TV show people that he didn't even know. We happen to know George, you know, give him community service, home lockup or whatever. But I just think it's a waste of taxpayers money and it's a waste. It's just, it just doesn't seem right. I just don't. Unless everybody else is going to go to jail for a longer amount of time for the crimes they committed.

[Doug]

Well, I mean, I remember very well Bill Jefferson. I mean, I've just watched a lot of different scandals in the Congress. Almost all Democrats and the Democratic Party stood behind those people till the till sentencing.

[Tim Burchett]

Oh, yeah, the leadership, you remember, they all walked out of Congress when Clinton was. And they, you know, I was saying.

[Doug]

Was there that day.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah.

[Doug]

Yes. 1998. I'll never forget it. So the Republican leadership with Marjorie Taylor Greene, with Massie now and with Santos just like immediately. We've never heard of the guy and we hope he dies in prison. Like, what is that? Why can't the Republican Party have leadership that stands by its people and stands by its voters? Is that too much to ask?

[Tim Burchett]

I think we read our opinion polls too much and not our souls.

[Doug]

Well, I mean, what's your sacred duty? It's to represent the people who elected you. That's the whole purpose of being there.

[Tim Burchett]

I always thought too our anger. If we had to be angry at anybody, it should have been the Democrats who did the opposition resource. I mean, you know, opposition research on, on George. I mean, you could have googled and found out that stuff. You could have called the school and said, hey, is he in school here? Or whatever.

[Doug]

I mean, the guy's like an epic artist. I get it. I mean, I don't. You know, I'm not defending wine.

[Tim Burchett]

Is that federal? Is that a federal crime?

[Doug]

Well, you just spent an hour telling me how they're lying about UFOs, which is a pretty serious thing to lie about. They're shutting down military bases because they can't, you know, because they don't control the airspace.

[Tim Burchett]

That's correct.

[Doug]

That's very serious. They're lying about the Kennedy assassination. They lied about September.

[Tim Burchett]

Yeah. The funny thing about Kennedy, we had them in on our committee. Luna chairs it and this oversight subcommittee and we had a doctor in there who was in the emergency Room with Kennedy. And he said there was clearly an entry wound, an exit one in an entry wound in an exit wound going the opposite direction. Yeah. And you know, one bullet supposed to that magic bullet. Yeah.

[Doug]

Did that shot John Connally and the President simultaneously. Those files have not been fully released, as you know.

[Tim Burchett]

No, no. And they never will be. They never will be. Just power, control and, and these in the CIA or whoever would have to admit that they were wrong. They'd have to admit that they were wrong. And the arrogance is just, I think once you take the oath, you, you get an oath of arrogance that you got to protect us, our, our past and we'll protect you kind of thing in the future. And I just think that carries on with them all and they for whatever reason.

[Doug]

Okay, but George Santos pretending to be a high level volleyball player is the real crime.

[Tim Burchett]

That is the crime of the century.

[Doug]

He said he worked at Goldman Sachs. Kill him. Okay, just put, just to put deception in perspective here because I think they're, you know, not all lies are the same. I agree. Okay, final question. Since you more than any member of Congress have thought about this, as candidly as you can answer, what do you think based on what you've heard UFOs are actually.

[Tim Burchett]

I think again, God created the heavens and the earth. And every night I go out with my dogs, usually at 4 o' clock in the morning, they go to the bathroom and look at those stars and I see the light from those stars and it's hard for my very small brain to comprehend this. A light from those stars left there before the time of Christ. And some of those stars don't even exist that we're looking at today.

[Doug]

Right.

[Tim Burchett]

Which is hard for me to fathom, or as a good old boys would say, hard for me to phantom. But I, I think there's something else out there. I do not think we are the best that God can do. Now is there something here as this, you know, proposed to me with these deep sea areas? I don't know. Is something been here? But the, the way for me to comprehend anything traveling light years, I mean, it's just beyond belief. That is beyond belief. But now there's this quantum. I've been explaining quantum physics and I really don't understand it. How something can be here and instantaneously be here, simultaneous, almost simultaneously. And that, that to me begs the question of how does that fit into all this? And if something's here in these deep sea areas, has it been here for, you know, thousands of years? And that's the other question, that's what, you know, these folks in the Navy kind of. And I have to be real careful.

[Doug]

With the folks in the Navy, what.

[Tim Burchett]

That, that I've talked to about this undersea type.

[Doug]

And what have they said?

[Tim Burchett]

They said, we don't know what's down there. And they said there's. We think there's a reason that they're over these deep sea areas that we cannot get to. And so I don't.

[Doug]

Their belief is whatever these things are, they've been here.

[Tim Burchett]

And obviously, if there was, if there meant harm to us, we're doing a pretty good job of harming ourselves. Just look at our political structure. But the truth is that we just don't know. And I don't know, my thoughts are kind of evolving on it, Tucker, to be honest with you, because I get to the point sometimes where I'm kind of beat down. I think, wow, this is crazy. There can't be. But how many of these people got to come forward to me that I, that I know and respect have tell, tell me what they've seen and there's no, no explanation for it. And so I, I just think it's another one of those things I'm not going to know till I'm in heaven. I mean, I know that sounds, that sounds weird.

[Doug]

And it doesn't sound weird at all. It sounds entirely true. And that's true for a lot of things, including understanding people's motivations, including your own motivations. Like we don't understand anything. I mean, of course we don't.

[Tim Burchett]

I mean, it's every, you know, and, and science can't get out of its own way every time they find something new. You know, it's like the coelacanth, for instance. It was a, a lobed fin fish caught off the coast of Madagascar, I believe it was. And it's supposed to have been extinct 50 million years ago, but all of a sudden it's here. And then they, well, you know, there was this, but they can't explain it. And I again go back to that Bible verse. Those professing themselves to be wise became fools. And I, I think it's. I was on a show the other day with a guy named Loeb. He's a UFO guy. He's. Yeah, I think he's at Harvard, I believe. Anyway, he, he was talking about how science. What he likes about science is that it's, that is, it's, it's changing and it's in it. How it. But a lot of scientists, it's like, you know, this is a brick wall. This is the way it is. It's not going to change. And I think with the UFOs, that's kind of the situation we're in. I just tell you I've talked to too many people that have just sworn to me what they've seen and, and some that I can't disclose disclose, but. And I would hope that eventually that those people are able to come forward.

[Doug]

Yeah. And in general, that people would start telling the truth. It's, it's an act of liberation when you do. Congressman Timberchuk, I appreciate your coming on. Thank you.

[Tim Burchett]

Thank you, Doug.

[Doug]

We've got a new website we hope you will visit. It's called New Commission now and it refers to a new 911 commission. So we spent months putting together our 911 documentary series. And if there's one thing we learned, it's that in fact there was foreknowledge of the attacks. People knew.

[Tim Burchett]

The American public deserves to know.

[Doug]

We're shocked actually to learn that, to have that confirmed. But it's true. The evidence is overwhelming. The CIA, for example, knew the hijackers were here at the. In the United States. They knew they were planning an act of terror.

[Tim Burchett]

In his passport is a visa to go to the United States of America.

[Doug]

A foreign national was caught celebrating as the World Trade center fell and later said he was in New York, quote, to document the event. How do you know there would be an event to document in the first place? Because he had foreknowledge. And maybe most amazingly, somebody, an unknown investor, shorted American Airlines and United Airlines, the companies whose planes the attackers used on 911 as well as the banks that were inside the Twin Towers just before the attacks. They made money on the 911 attacks because they knew they were coming. Who did that?

[Tim Burchett]

You have to look at the evidence.

[Doug]

The US Government learned the name of that investor but never released it. Maybe there's an instant explanation for all this, but there isn't actually. And by the way, it doesn't matter whether there is or not. The public deserves to know what the hell that was. How did people know ahead of time? And why was no one ever punished for it? 911 Commission, the original one was a fraud. It was fake. Its conclusions were written before the investigation. That's true and it's outrageous. This country needs a new 911 Commission, one that actually tells the truth to try to, to get to the bottom of the story. We can't just move on like nothing happened.

[Tim Burchett]

911 Commission cover.

[Doug]

Something did happen. We need to force a new investigation into 9 11, almost 25 years later. Sorry. Justice demands it. And if you want that, go to NewcommissionNow.com to add your name to our petition. We're not getting paid for this. We're doing this because we really mean it. Newcommissionnow.com.