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Russell Brand: The People Trying to Imprison Him, Trump’s Fall, Speaking to God, and His Mayoral Run
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Russell Brand
Foreign. Father, thank you for this chance to. For us to be together. Where two or more are gathered, you are present. Lord, can you help us to put aside any prejudices or biases that we might carry into it? Can you help me, Lord, not to look at Tucker as a person that exists for my benefit or to facilitate me, but to know that he is like me, a person that's broken and that will die one day, and that we're here to love one another and serve one another. And by the way, we love one another. They will know that we are in you and that you are in us. Lord, let's communicate graciously and with grace and do nothing that dishonors your name or your kingdom, which we are here to serve. However you decree. We pray in the name of God the Father, with all your infinite creativity and wisdom, God the Son, with your compassion and your holy sacrifice, taking on our sin, and God the Holy Ghost, who moves among us mysteriously now in communication and endless unity. Amen.
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Tucker Carlson
Amen. Thank you, boy. That is the prayer, isn't it? Not to look at people as someone who can do something for you. Yeah.
- [01:05]
Russell Brand
Sort of objectify even powerful people.
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Tucker Carlson
So you were just. You were just reading me? Because I want to talk about your book and I want to talk about your journey as a Christian. And we will, but I just can't resist this. You were just reading me from Daniel in your marginalia filled Bible, from Daniel 11. And I was just so struck by it, I took a picture of it and sent it to, like, 20 people. Can you read the passage that you just read me?
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Russell Brand
It's from Daniel 11:36. The king will do as he pleases. He will exalt and magnify himself above every God and will say unheard of things against the God of gods. Would you like me to continue?
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Tucker Carlson
Please.
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Russell Brand
He will be successful until the time of wrath is completed, for what has been determined must take place. He will show no regard for the gods of his ancestors or for the one desired by women, nor will he regard any God, but will exalt himself above them all. Instead of them. He will honor a God of fortresses, a God unknown to his ancestors. He will honor with gold and silver, with precious stones and costly gifts. He will attack the mightiest fortresses with the help of a foreign God and will greatly honor those who acknowledge him. He will make them rulers over many people and will distribute the land at a price. At the time of the end, the king of the south will engage him in battle. And the king of the north will storm out against him with chariots and cavalry and a great fleet of ships. He will invade many countries and sweep through them like a flood. He will also invade the beautiful land. Many countries will fall, but Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand. He will extend his power over many countries. Egypt will not escape. He will gain control over the treasures of gold and silver and all the riches of Egypt, with the Libyans and the Kushites in submission. But reports from the east and the north will alarm him, and he will set out in a great rage to destroy and annihilate many. He will pitch his royal tents between the seas of the beautiful holy mountain. Yet he will come to his end, and no one will help him.
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Tucker Carlson
Ripped from the headlines. That was just so striking to me. Shocking, actually. I've read it. I don't want to completely miss that. It hits differently right now. How often do you read the Bible?
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Russell Brand
Well, every day. I was reading the Bible in one year by Nikki Gumball, and obviously the Bible's not by Nikki Gumball, but I'm sure he would come close to making that claim, as many Christians do. Sometimes I feel like I've made it up. I'm brilliant for, like, even now, I'm trying to take credit for reading this out. Yep, I've understood this in a way no one else ever has. Anyway, like, so I started off with that, which is like having training wheels on a bicycle, and then I left it on a plane and I thought, wow, I'm going to have to just start reading it now. Every day I read the Scripture for about an hour, and I pray and meditate as well as reading some devotionals and doing some breath exercise. I remember when I met years ago, he's Holiness, the Dalai Lama. Someone said, like, you know, oh, he meditates like eight hours a day. And I thought, well, that seemed excessive. But now, like, what else is there to do except be in continual prayer? Increasingly, as my walk with him yoked to him continues, I recognize anytime I let go of his hand, anytime I step back into even neutrality, neutrality metastasizes immediately into self and therefore sin. I see sin now, Tucker, not as the transgression of stealing or lying or whatever, but as the mental state that precedes it. When I'm in that mental state, suddenly I elevate myself. Like Lucifer, like the fallen one. I think I can create my own circuitry, my own neurological circuitry without his angelic agency. As soon as I'm in that, I belong to the world again. I belong to Empire. Forget the tyranny of those most powerful people in the world. Even in my petty, trivial tyranny, I bear their insignature, not his. It was you, in fact, that made the observation one of the times we met. I think I was doing one of your tremendously successful and well attended live shows in Fort Lauderdale. I'm still showbiz. I still know how to do those bits. Um, and like we were, I showed you this bit from Orwell and. And you said, oh, well, you said, orwell's anticipated. This is prior to the most recent American electoral cycle. You said that Orwell understood Soviet communism well. And at this point, you said, in 1984, he's talking about social democracy's tendency to evolve towards. Or degenerate, one might say, towards tyranny. And we discussed together, oh, wow. What is Orwell's most famous maxim? If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face forever. And in that moment, I think both you and I discussed, yes, and what is the face that is the image of God.
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
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Russell Brand
They are annihilating the image of God. They remove the image of God once. The image of God, our personal impertur, our signature, the hieroglyph. He's present in us, the Creator of meaning, without whom there cannot be geometry, mathematics or music, but even meaning itself, he is a storyteller, our Lord. He comes and tells stories to show you that meaning itself is what we must align with. Because, you know, when people say, oh, it's astrological, the three kings and the virgin is the star virgin. It's an astrological description of movements. And Osiris was this, and Isis was that. And Dionysus meant that, you know. And they tried to say that Christianity isn't unique, particular and special, that the incarnation of God, that these principles being made flesh, didn't establish, establish the new frequency through the Holy Spirit. They tried to say, it's just another story. When you go into the Word, you feel it, you know it, it changes you. It reverses and undoes so much. Your whole life, C.S. lewis says, Tucker, your whole life is redeemed. You look back at all of it. The Father, and you see it differently. The career, you see it differently. You see that you were being prepared always for this. As C.S. lewis says in the Great Divorce, when you accept him, your whole life will have been heaven. If you reject him, you are in purgatory forever. And why do they stay in Purgatory? In the Great Divorce, I'm recommending read the Great Divorce is because they won't let go of their earthly identity. They won't let go of it. We have to let go of that in order to receive the kingdom. We have to let go of who we are in shame, who we are in fear, who we are to the world. And once you do that, you're kind of already dead, but you're also in eternal life. And that's what's been amazing about watching you in the last month in particular is a sort of the jaw dropping boldness and bravery that sometimes can seem like frightening.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, not to me. I've never felt calmer. But no, I. Yeah, I mean, I just don't care at all. Why would I? Nothing. I mean, you know, winning the thing, the prizes that are held out for us. Haven't won them all. Won a few. Not that great, you know, it's not that great. That's not why we're here. But you've been a reader your entire life. Even when you were like a dissipate in Hollywood, you still read a lot. How is reading the Bible different from reading Yves Lenoir?
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Russell Brand
Well, how it's different. Firstly, I've not read Yves Lenoir. What, that's your birthright? Are you kidding? I'm lazy. I'm an autodidact. And like Woody Allen, he says with the autodidact, superficial. I've never been properly educated, so everything's thin across the top. This is the first time I've gone deep into anything. How it's different. How it's different, Taka, from what I've accrued culturally, is that it moves effortlessly into mystery. It is divine and profound truth. Now, I think that one of the conversations we might have is if you think during the brief time that you and I have both. I'm gonna say the word transitioned now, but don't panic. Transitioned from mainstream media into whatever this is, this kind of independent media, what that's been accompanied by, if one envisages a spectrum, and at one end of it, the New York Times, the BBC, msnbc, one might even include Fox and more sort of particular flavors of mainstream media. And over here, you're Alex Jones, you're David Icke. Where is the needle moving? Well, it's obviously moving radically in a direction that Alex Jones and David Icke have been in for some time. That's not to say that either of those two men are without flaws. Of course, I wouldn't make that claim for any human being. But during that time, people have started to look at pedophile rings, conspiracies, global events that seem to be managed and manipulated, the possibility and potential that real power is not government or party political, but is in fact controlled by institutions that are imperial, transcendent of global boundaries, and may even be occultist and dark and demonic. I mean, certainly the trend is moving in that direction. And I think one of the great challenges for people that are telling the truth at a public level to a lot of people is how do we remain in that which is corroboratable? And what I feel is so important here is when you're dealing with people that might say there are demonic forces at work, they're occultists, they're pedophiles, they're doing child sacrifices. Well, it's all in here. Like when I first. When I. Prior to coming to the Lord, or rather more accurately him coming to me, I felt I knew what was in the Bible because I thought I understood.
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Tucker Carlson
Right.
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Russell Brand
I didn't read it, but I thought, I get the idea. Totally, Guy. I get the gist.
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Tucker Carlson
I felt the same.
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Russell Brand
Yeah, yeah. And like. So I felt it's going to be about ethics and morality and sort of a kind of a rather obviously piety. But I sort of felt that it might be a bit anemic. But what was. What's really struck me is it moves between sort of like myth so powerful that it takes you to the sort of edge of what consciousness can ever comprehend, obviously while telling you that's what it's doing. My ways are not. Your ways do not conform to the patterns of this world. The evil one is in control of this world. We fight not against flesh and blood, but we fight against the authorities, the rulers, the dark heavenly powers. All these things are in there. My children, don't worship false idols. Don't make gods with your own hands, hands out of metal, and then stare at them the whole time. Like you will glimpse God as if through a glass, or perhaps for contemporary language, as if through a mirror darkly. It'll be like you're looking at yourself and you see that Christ is in you and coming through you. But then you will return to yourself again. You will flick it in and out like. See, the promise of Christ is redemption. That means you are owned by him. And there is a restoration of the original state. It has been completed. Our God breathed life into the dirt, man, Adam. And Christ on the cross exhales the final breath. It is finished. It's possible for us to return to absolute harmony with God, for us to live not in Some utopian afterlife, but in the present moment, to be in the kingdom of heaven, which our Lord said is here, ever present and all around us. I did not anticipate the depth of the mystery that we live among forces in undiscernable to the senses, angelic and indeed demonic. That there are dark energies that are affecting us and impacting us and attacking us and significantly controlling the most powerful institutions in the world. And that is not North Korea.
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Tucker Carlson
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Russell Brand
Yes, I see the work of those forces. And I see the presence of God. I see continually this unfolding discourse throughout time, my own little life. I see I'm being shown this, I'm being offered that. You know, one of the things I'd forgotten, Tucker, is that at the point of first becoming famous, there was a kind of glory in it. And by true glory, I don't mean personal glory, because anything that's personal is not true glory at all. There was a moment where A world that continually said no to me. Suddenly, after decades said yes. That suddenly the golden light was upon me and open that I was appearing on television, people were saying yes to book deals. I was in movies, I was experiencing. And this is where I think I went wrong. Abundant sex, for example. And as that took hold, that's where I feel and see the presence that I, you know, the tempter, the accuser, the fallen one. The enemy requires our complicity. I did participate, I did participate in elevating false gods. I did allow sex to become a kind of idol, fame to become an idol. And neither of those things are possible if you don't first fall into self. I consider sin to be in self. In self. Once I'm in self, the sibilant s lacking vocal, the serpent has no vertical axes. I crawl upon the floor, I'm only a belly. We're continually in the garden and we're continually, as Rene Girard obviously observed, observing Satan fall from heaven like lightning because he wants his own kingdom. I'm continually believing the lie, the lie that I'm worthless, the lie that I'm ugly, the lie that I'm shameful, the lie that I don't deserve to be successful. I enter into that lie. And once I'm in that, that lie, then I belong to the world. Now I have to prove myself in the world. I have to make myself beautiful, lauded and applauded, celebrated, adored. I have to perform all of those rituals before his altar. If I don't stay with the one that made me. It's an apostasy to be in this world. You don't convert to Christianity. You let go of the false conversion of being in this world where you have been placed by the evil one, by the enemy, lured, tempted, hypnotized. We all understand it. We all understand the idea of facsimile, the counterfeit, the emulation, the simulation, you know, See, when people posit about the right, like the sci fi version. Perhaps we're already in a simulation. You don't need to use that lexicon through the electromagnetic. Electromagnetic moment where sensory information is converted neurologically. And that happens to all sensory input. You live in a synthesized reality in your own consciousness. There are peculiar, inexplicable moments, as with all scientific disciplines, when you take it to its edge, land that is between the synapses, as electromagnetic energy travels around in the brain. There's a moment where it's hormonal, it's inexplicable. We're surrounded in every direction by endless miracle which we nullify through dumb orthodox science, as we witnessed at length and in depth through the pandemic. We deny him continually. We are continually Eve. We are continually Lucifer. Why does our Lord say, when the hubristic disciples return saying, we moved among scorpions, we were casting out demons, he says straight away, and it's an odd non sequitur. I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning. You will move among demons. You will move among scorpions and snakes and do great healings because your names are written in the book of Heaven. What can that even mean? You are encoded. You are encoded. You are made. Did you see that? It looks like a cross. At some microscopically observable level, there's a cross down in our DNA. There's so much poetry in it. Of course it's interpreted, because interpretation is relationship. Of course people will say, you can use the Bible to prove anything you want to prove. But one of my teachers said, the main things are the plain things and the plain things are the main things. We're meant to live here harmoniously with one another. We're meant to be one human family. You have to accept Christ as the Messiah. If there's any particular group of people that deliberately do not accept Christ as the Messiah, you might want to investigate that thoroughly. And there's instructions for how to do that in there. You know, there's some powerful information in here that must be acted upon. Now, from the other side, from the counter cultural perspective, they'll say, oh, this is, you know, it's part of the Council of Nicaea and all that kind of stuff. And I'm thinking now of like, the sort of the people that you. Surely we must pay our due to the likes of Ike and Alex Jones, who clearly are carrying. Not Alex Jones, actually, because he's so sort of in the moment, isn't he? But David Icke, I feel that he carries this weight of. I've been saying this for ages. I've been saying this for ages. But what he doesn't do with love and respect to him is honor that Christ is real. Real. That this is a transcendent manifesto of all reality. The author of reality entered into his own story. The creator of the simulation entered into the simulation to establish a new way of communicating and being. And I think to forgive this ramble is. I think that what we're trying to do is look at anodyne and sanitary Christianity and look at where it needs to be revived and reignited. Then we're looking at a conspiracy cult that's endlessly caroming and tangled. We have to look at these two worlds and recognize that the same thing is being approached. And without the cross, without him, without personal acceptance of him, we'll just end up critiquing without energizing. We'll end up in dead tradition, just ashes and incense. And we have to revivify this now. We have to participate in the Resurrection. He says, I am the Resurrection. He says that when he brings back Lazarus.
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Tucker Carlson
Can I ask, just to move back a couple moments, about your. You said you pray as you read. What is that? What is prayer exactly?
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Russell Brand
I'm trying to recognize that there is a subjective experience and we might be told an objective experience, and through prayer, collapse that. The kind of Christianity that I feel like I've been called to is a kind of a quantum physics Christianity. And of course, I don't understand quantum physics. No one does, because it's sort of unknowable. But what seems to be real is that the process of observation alters physical reality. It is smallest, observable, at the smallest observable level. So in prayer, it's an incantation to become who you really are and to be in absolute truth. And to recognize, as with Paul's great analogy, that we move in and out of Christ like that. There are moments like now I feel all right. I feel like I'm doing this properly. I feel like I'm not trying to get anything from you, and I'm not frantically panicking about what other people think of me. But I know there will be points over the course of the day where I'll experience either temptation or intimidation. And in those moments, I'll lose myself. Prayer is to ensure that we establish such a strong connection with God that it can withstand, that we can sleep in the storm with him. That when the storm comes and we know it's coming, that we can rest in the boat in total trust and faith in him. Oh, jail. Okay, jail. Assassination. Okay, assassination. Like that. You. You. Well, you. When you no longer belong to the devil, when you belong to him. And as Paul says, like, I'm only here to talk to you lot. I'll go now. I want to be with him. I want to see his face. I want to see his face. I love him. But I know at the moment I'm meant to be here to be with you, to love you, to train with you, to be in discipleship and training together with you. I don't question that. It's not our job to question it. So prayer is to collapse it. To collapse it, to collapse the Wave particle. To live in the unknowable. To recognize that we are being made pure in him and through Him. That in and of ourselves we do nothing. We do nothing. We saw what we did when we were in sin. And he loved us then. I have a vision of you in D.C. and I know because you've told me and you've been honest about it. Cocaine and the things that I assume accompany that. And he loved you then, and he died for you then. And he bought that shame onto himself that you may know Him. And then when you are not. He can't be with us when we're in sin. When we're not in sin. There he is. The Holy Spirit will dwell in you. Do you not know that your body is a temple? Do you not know? Oh, God, you've not realized, you poor sod. Otherwise you wouldn't be living like that. Your body is for me to live in. Stop using it to get stuff. Stop putting pleasure on its sensory surfaces. To try and defibrillate some synthetic spiritual experience when you're already here. You're already here. I'm here in you. He's here. He's here and he's real now. So it's quite psychedelic. And the problem is, if I'm hungry or I'm horny or I'm afraid, then they've got me again. And so now I try to do whatever I need to do to not go back there. And it anticipates all of that. It tells me the flesh is weak. It has so much guidance, guidance around sexual morality. It has so much guidance around power and false power. It's telling you, this is what I intended you for, but I had to give you free will. Otherwise the whole thing would be pointless. It wouldn't have time in it if there was no free will. It doesn't even need to happen because it's a foregone condition, right? Exactly. But through his grace and through his greatness, we are participating in something. But don't you see? Aren't they even now observing what they are calling large structures? Aren't they even observing that the cosmos, there's intergalactic influence? Did you see Randall Carlson the other day, sort of say that maybe things that are happening on our planet are influenced by other galaxies? Like it's not because, you know, cows are farting or because cars are going too quickly or too. Not of the wrong type. No, we're in an intergalactic eternal and infinite poem with him.
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Russell Brand
And all systems of power attempt to impose a narrative that facilitates their further power. I realized after you but like I realized that the problem with the kind of imperialism that would have occurred if Kamala Harris had been president is it's globalist and it's bureaucratic and it's managerial and they use compassion to maximize total control. I was not, you know, everyone's got 2020 hindsight, but like, you know, the videos exist. I think Trump is an extraordinarily enjoyable public figure. I think he says what's on his mind in a way that's sort of almost unprecedented, but it's certainly seeming to become somewhat unprecedential. In addition, what I didn't enter into was the idea that Trump MAGA could be anything other than a bulwark against the annihilation of bureaucratic global imperialism. That's I because I think a personality like that can slow things down and I think it's an obstacle. But the thing that's particularly disheartening about this war, and I know that you spoke about it extensively prior to the election of Trump with the Iranian war, is that this war would be happening if Kamala Harris was president anyway. That's what like, that's my very distant, hazy. I'm not really in this view is, oh, if Someone as particular, personal and extraordinary on the human plane as Trump ultimately ends up doing what the globalist imperialist would have done anyway. Then what are we all discussing when we're talking about America first and MAGA and all of that stuff? So what I'm saying there is global bureaucracies is a terrible instantiation of Satan's counterfeit power, omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence through technology, absolute ownership, nationalism, I thought, would instill a temporary preservation, at least of the nation. But the nation is corruptible and is corrupted and is fallen. And now I think the call is. And you seem to understand this, I know you understand it better than me historically and geopolitically and politically and nationally and domestically. And I would run out of word in all of those ways. But what I know as a Christian is that there is something about your sovereignty in absolute submission to him, that we need to tell people. There is something in the principle of democracy, when practiced correctly, using the maximum technological efficiency, that gives us the chance to live truthfully. We can't live in this loopy lunatic illusion any longer of moving between false polarities that appear ultimately to have an ulterior or at least superior power that directs them regardless of the mandate offered through some fatic electoral process.
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Tucker Carlson
I don't. I know you can double the speed of a YouTube. I don't know if you can cut it in half, because I want everyone to hear every word that you just said, because I think they're inspired words and I think that they're all true. And I won't summarize, but I just asked people to rewatch what you just said in case they missed all of it the first time. I'm good at listening to fast talking, so I caught every word, and I think you're absolutely right. And so let me just rephrase what I think you said. We spent all this time trying to construct a defense against what was clearly happening to us and the west, maybe the world, which was this globalist, totalitarian nightmare, only to awake to realize, actually we may have been participating unknowingly in the creation of it. Just from the other side, where does that leave us? What's our duty now?
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Russell Brand
If we had any faith in any personality or person other than Christ, it's only in Him. What I was kept thinking about today is let people like that verse that's like, by the way, we love one another. Let them know that we are Christians.
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Tucker Carlson
That's right.
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Russell Brand
So my job while I'm here, I know you're in Christ. And my job is to love you. That's my job here. And with my friends Dave and Jake that I'm traveling with and beloved Lexi. And the people that I've worked in here that I'm most familiar with, just to be loving and present with them. And that's my primary job. I can do that. And when I notice myself stopping doing that, which I will do. Cause I'll get hungry or something. Then to intervene with myself as best I can by honoring and knowing my weakness. Now, I didn't believe that. And I don't believe that there is any political figure operating within current systems that is going to bring about the type of change that's required to at least forestall total annihilation. I don't see anyone. Gavin Newsom, AOC Bernie, JD and in fact, what I was saying around 2015, when I first stepped into. When I stepped out of what you might call vanilla celebrity and into political opining, even though my vanilla celebrity was shellacked in a particular kind of loose decadence. When I stepped into. When I stepped into. Because I was like. I had a girlfriend at the time that was involved with a New Statesman. And so I did an addition of the New States. Was British, one might say Fabian, kind of. Yeah, Fabian. So. So. So sort of fetishizing leftist ideas in order to create centralized bureaucracies that will never deliver to the people that they purport to care about. The famed ordinary Brit or average American. That poor bunch of churned and tossed about on the storm of any passing breeze or fad. Anyway, so I said yes to this thing. And like, man, I had knew a lot of famous people back then. Alec Baldwin, David lynch. That I wee wee dude out of China who just said that he went back to his native China. Aoiwi. I think I'm saying his name right. He went back there. He's like super famous. And the left love him. And like, you know, because he left as a dissident from China and lived in Germany for a while. And he's apparently very brilliant artist. I didn't know that. I think he did the COVID as long along with Shepherd Fairey, the, you know, ardent demo Democrat supporting American artists. So I even went back, just went back to China. He goes, germany's worse than China. Like, it's like there's more centralized control manipulation, less freedom of speech in China. This guy's a darling of the left type figure. Anyway, so when I was doing that New Statesman thing, that's when I did an accompanying promotional interview. With our defining show was Jeremy Paxman's News Night. Jeremy Paxman was Fox News Tucker. He was like the guy that people got off on, like, watching that dude mess with politicians. I'm not talking about, like, you know, he'd probably be more liberal left than you were, sort of a traditional conservative during your sort of Fox pomp and heyday. But we got the same commodity from him. Jeremy Paxman would sit there with a home secretary and just go, come on. Like, he was more bombastic, you know, that time. Like, oh, no, I get why you think it. No, you just don't want us to have guns, but you have them. No, I get it. I do it. Like, he had great stuff. No, I get it. I get it. I loved all that. But when I went on there, right, what was cool is Even I was 33 or 4, I was much younger, and I just said, none of my friends vote. We never vote. And he's like, oh, come on, you can't talk about politics if you don't vote. You've got no right to be in the conversation. And I said, like, what are you talking about? I see you every week on here attacking politicians for being vapid and empty and insincere and Machiavellian. And then when I say I'm not participating, you attack me. I don't want to participate. None of the people. And it caused. Paused this big national conversation. And I was talking about, I'm gonna run for mayor of London because like an idiot, like the disciples. Actually, I thought. This is what I thought. I thought you've really. What I should have thought is people have heard what you've said is true and they're responding to the truth in what you've said. That's what I should have recognized. But what I thought, being foolen and a fool was, oh, I'm really great and I should be powerful. I made it about myself. I thought that I was fantastic and I got involved in it. I got involved in my own thing. Thing. Obviously, it went terribly, terribly wrong, as it always does when you.
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Tucker Carlson
What happened?
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Russell Brand
Well, I did say that was going to run for mayor of London, and I did say that. That there's. Yeah, I participated in some brilliant movements, like housing movements in London, and we led, like, this big march into Downing street and outside Dynasty. I got in a confrontation with a reporter and they had to talk about me in Parliament. This is 2015. And what happened was, is I think from that moment, I think I was on the. I would say the radar of Certain forces that probably monitor online threats and vocal critics of establishment power. And my. I would suggest that in the UK it's a little more insidious, nefarious. And the image I have is like, like dirty soil, like oil in soil, like toxic land, like Britain's a deep rooted toxic land. Now I know a good deal of British UK imperial power migrated to your country in the same way that Naz physicists migrated in order to ensure that Babylon succeeds. What happened was, is I got attacked a bunch. Like seriously attacked, Seriously attacked. And I sort of withstood it somehow, but that's what it did. It eviscerated me and I withdrew to the country and I got married and I bought my beautiful dog Bear and I had my beautiful children and I lived out there calmly. But something was nagging at me the whole time. Always, you're going to be participating in this in some way, in some new way. See, I'm doing a new thing. Find the new thing thing. Find the new thing. But I always, always like an idiot, I've been inculcated and indoctrinated by our culture. Our culture. I think that individualism is our religion. Progressivism. And I don't mean cultural progressivism as in multiple genders. No, no, no. I mean we're going to the moon, so everything's cool. We've got this device now that's going to solve everything. And Gandhi in like 1940 said, check this from Gandhi. Gandhi said as the British were finally expelled world, he said, he said, there's no point in us be in the British in this revolution and then imitating and emulating the systems that we've been bequeathed by them to us. India is a country of 70,000 villages. Each village should be fully autonomous, trading only where necessary. We must lose our fixation on gadgets and technology. 1940s he's saying this. Of course India. We know what happened. It emulated and like he's essentially sort of, you know, it got conquered in an entirely different and more insidious way.
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Tucker Carlson
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Russell Brand
He was. People said, this guy is a wise prophet, let's revere him. But before we do that, we're gonna shoot him in the head, just to be sure. Lone gunman. And whenever there's a lone gunman, just some crackpot. Hey, these crackpots, I noticed that a lot of the time they do stuff that really benefits the most powerful interests. I tell you what, the most. The powerful should start using these lone gunmen because there's a natural alliance. It's a good fit. It's like Coca Cola and McDonald'. The two of them go there and like Coca Cola, McDonald's and the Olympics, you know, like Coca Cola, McDonald's, the Olympics and satanic festivals where you mock Christian imagery. The whole thing should get together. And if you find people that are prominent and outspoken and willing to risk their lives, probably what you should do is shoot them dead and then blame, like, something that will work in the culture, like, I don't know, trans people. That wouldn't work. Knowing in your heart of hearts that Christ would love and minister to all of us, seeing us all as one family. I'm not interested in race. I'm not interested in color or skin or sexuality. Although I am a bit interested in sexuality. All of you don't make a God out of it, whether you're a heterosexual, homosexual, single, celibate, whatever you are. Anyway, so I got in a lot of trouble. It was the first time I got in trouble. I learned from it.
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Tucker Carlson
I just want to pause and say, note to the editors of this please clip that. That was like, my favorite thing I've ever heard. Sorry.
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Russell Brand
Excuse me.
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Tucker Carlson
Sorry.
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Russell Brand
But what I wanted to say. What I wanted to say was that the. The thing is, because he is real and because it is true, the very fact that as a result of presumably certain demographic information in your country, there's a requirement even to imitate Christianity, as with that lady sort of charging her way to be first rather than last. And if she'd read the Bible, that's not what she would do. She'd want to be last rather than first. Then in this condition, they can't then deny, deny. You can't deny what's in there. You can't deny the word Once you've said, america is a Christian country. We're running this on Christian principles. We need to return to how Christianity informed the Constitution and the founding Fathers. And as Charlie Kirk, God rest his soul, used to say, this was meant to be practicing alliance and alignment with Christian principles. If you that telos will be used in his service. Because we now have a standard. We now have a standard. Now, of course, we have forgiveness and we have anyone. He will forgive all of us if he can forgive me. He's taken my sin, he's taken my shame, he's taken yours and he'll take anyone's. The most powerful people in the world, the most vulnerable and weakest person in the world. Indeed, he has no favorites. He doesn't even care about those categories. He doesn't recognize those categories. So what I'm saying is the reason that they annihilated Christianity is because it gave us a verifiable, permanent, indeed eternal basis upon which to run kingdom. It gave us instruction, it told us what's going to happen now if as some kind of gambit, people have been emulating and performing Christianity, that's in there too. He says, no problem, no problem. Because they people will hear the name of Jesus Christ and they'll be saved. They'll be saved by that name and by acceptance in their hearts. And more practically, once those environmental conditions have been set, those of us that truly are following him and are trying our best to follow him and are trying to make ourselves smaller so that he can become greater, we can say, well, we've been looking in here. And it doesn't say that you're meant to have a war with Iran. And it doesn't say that you're meant to validate people performing surgery. In fact, you are perfect already. Did you not know? You are so beloved. Let's help you. How can we help one another? Cause you know, our Lord, he would have been down with a trans, down with a homeless, down with a fentanyl, down with a junkies. He wouldn't be going, oh, this is disgusting. How can I love you? How can I love you? And I spend a surprising amount of time actually speaking to gay people about Christ. And like, you know, because obviously there's con. They're Concerned and I'm trying to understand how we love. And I.
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Tucker Carlson
What.
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Russell Brand
But what I can tell them absolutely, is I overly identified with my sexuality. I'll tell you that I made my sexuality the most important thing about me. And I thought it was okay to be hedonistic and decadent, and it was an expression of my sort of neo pagan self. And can I say, there's been some consequences. So you. You might want to conclude, you know, there's something more beautiful about you. Are you saying, for example, that Jesus Christ and the beloved disciple John would have improved this great intimacy and total love between them by ejaculating? Is that what you're suggesting? There is more to you than that. There is a supreme intimacy with God. He actually wants to be inside you right now. Look at the carnality. He's incarnate. We eat his flesh and blood as well as the agape love. There's eros love in that we are his bride. We are each bride. Like it's there. It's a very powerful energy, the sexual energy. And I definitely, definitely misused it extensively by worshiping it and identifying with it. So when I'm talking to people about problems around identity and sexuality, even though I've never had the challenge of same sex attraction, my certainty is that we shouldn't be. Sex should not be our God, that love must be first. In fact, the 12 steps puts it so well. Tucker, in the great big book of Alcoholics Anonymous, which I'm a student of, it says, we want to stay out of this debate around sex. Some people think that sex is the be all and end all. And some people want to live in absolute denial of sex. This is a controversy we don't want to enter into. Some people would have a man with no flavor for his fare, and the other camp would have them on a straight pepper diet. Someone pointed out to me that straight pepper diet would be eating a condiment as if it were the main course or the meal. Sex is a condiment upon which you. Which adds flavor to the meal of love. That's what it is according to scripture, in a marriage between a man and a woman. I'm still, you know, for my own. I'm trying to understand how to be completely loving to all people and not. I don't. It says here, clearly, don't judge. Get the log out of your own eye. So I guess it's not my. My ministry is not about that. But I'm just. What I don't want is to be a participant in a. In a Church that prioritizes judging and condemning others rather than dealing with our own evident, internal, fallen, broken problems.
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Tucker Carlson
That is the. The truth. We had this conversation at breakfast this morning with a wonderful person who works for us. And I was telling her about being in church a couple weeks ago and somebody got up to read who I knew a lot about and was judging so much based on behavior that we judge or whatever. And this person gets up to read. And I really felt very strongly that God just like spoke to me, which doesn't happen every day. And the message was, you are no better than her. And I turn. It makes me emotional thinking about it. And I turn to my wife, who I know was having similar thoughts or thought she was. And I whispered to her, I said, we are no better than her. And she goes, I know. And I think that is. That's really at the center of it.
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Russell Brand
So much instruction. Love your neighbors. Then he removes any limited liability for the category of neighbor. Who is your. Your neighbor? Whoever's in front of you. That's your neighbor. That's your neighbor.
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Tucker Carlson
Whoever's in front of you. But if you begin with I am no better than any other person. I think it's a clarifying. It takes the blinders off. Like you can see things clearly because
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Russell Brand
what then you feel like you don't have your own personal little mandate to go around telling people. Yeah. And also.
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Tucker Carlson
But it. I mean, there is not a sense in which I hate that phrase. But there it is true that all people are connected to all other people in some way. That's impossible to understand as a person or for me to understand in any case.
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Russell Brand
Case.
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Tucker Carlson
But that is absolutely real and you can feel it. And it's almost like there are moments, these rare transcendent moments in your life. I mean, sex is one of them where the barriers between people get thinner. They may not dissolve entirely in this life, but they're definitely. The membrane is thinner. And you feel a great satisfaction in that because that's kind of how it's intended to be. That so much that divides us is fake. It's put there on purpose in order to divide. But that it doesn't reflect reality. Like our humanity. The fact we're all created by God is the most important fact about us. For decades, Russell Brand was one of the most famous actors and comedians and agnostics in the world today. He is one of the most sincere Christians we know. A follower of Christ. His personal transformation is remarkable. We saw it up close. Close. He has now recounted it in an amazing book called how to Become a Christian in Seven Days. And it recounts what happened to him. And it makes the case to all of us for stepping away from our secular assumptions and returning to the only thing that matters, which is God. I've read it. It's amazing. And right now there's only one place to get it. TuckerCarlsonBooks.com this is the first release from our new publishing company. We created Tucker Carlson Books to bypass the censors and bring you things that are actually worth reading and sharing. And we're starting this venture with what matters most. And that's Russell Brand's message of the promise of forgiveness and joy through Jesus. We're proud to launch our new bookstore with Russell Brand's how to Become a Christian in Seven Days. It is the message this country needs most. Find us today on tuckerCarlsonbooks.com
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Russell Brand
yes, and if we are able to receive our identity in his him, then we will find in that a kind of harmony, not necessarily ease or absence of suffering, but at least a certain truth. And isn't extraordinary that in this world of counterfeits, the identity politics, a peculiar facsimile and emulation of individual sovereignty has come to the forefront? Exactly.
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Tucker Carlson
Can you explain that a little? Can you flesh it out a bit?
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Russell Brand
Well, you were fearfully and wonderfully made, knitted together in your mother's womb. He loves you. Who is it you say that I. I am. I think that you are son of the living God, that you are the Messiah. Well, this insight, this is from, I guess, in a few of the gospels there. But that's a moment between our Lord and Peter. And after, after, after Peter acknowledges Christ as God, as son of the living God and the Messiah, he gives him the name Peter. You are the rock upon which I can build my church. When you see God for who God is, then you will know who you are. If you don't know God for who God is, then you will be looking for an identity in the world. I'm an Englishman, I'm an American. I'm a proud homose. Oh, I'm a young black woman. I'm a little Dutch boy wearing clogs. You know, like you start to identify with false things that you made with your own hands. No, the message to the, to people about gender identity is go further. You are more individual than that. He loves you more than that. You are more unique than that. You are not part of a group of people that happen to feel that you don't fit with the arbitrary gender identities of 2026American cultural identity this and wear that. Indeed, in the word in heaven, there is no man woman. In heaven, in the supreme reality, there is no man woman. He says that that's in there. You're right. You're right. In a way, it's a kind of a performance. But if that performance leads you to like, you know, changing your body surgically, then that's potentially there might be another route. But we can look at the data and see if that's working for people post surgery and how many of them are happy with it. And I guess we could make a scientific, kind of a scientific judgment, but the problem is, is that all of us have been now really recently exposed to the total illegitimacy of science in so much as we all know, the only profitable experimentation is being undertaken. Who's doing and conducting the experiments to demonstrate absolutely that there is no causal link between the childhood vaccine program and the rise in autism? Who's going to pay for that? Vaccine manufacturers? I wouldn't have thought so. The government? I don't. And then that's the end of the list. There's no one else that can afford forward to who, by the way. I mean, one of the moments of the deeper awakening to the immersive, ubiquitous insidiousness of global imperialism came for me. You know, when you sort of realize things yourself that then become somewhat culturally evident and obvious and explored.
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Tucker Carlson
It happens to me. Yes. Yeah.
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Russell Brand
So when with the vaccines, like how are they clinically trialing that for the impact on pregnant women because which pregnant women are going to allow them to, in this time frame, frame, have experimented? And how do we know the long term effects? Because there hasn't been a long period of time in which to witness the long term effects. And all those questions that one might sort of ponder chewing a pencil on your own, it turns out, were unanswerable because we were being dreadfully deceived. Dreadfully deceived. And it seems like the ultimate aim of it may have been population reduction, of course. And then of course, I suppose the additional benefits of how much authoritarianism can we leverage, how successfully? Because remember the bit when it's like, well, you won't be able to do what you did in China, in America, Italy, in the United Kingdom. Turns out that you largely can. But there was a kind of a stumbling block because people online with significant audiences were talking about it. Okay, so that's a problem. We can't have significant audiences online where people are getting non mainstream information. What do we do to annihilate that? Well, can we create some kind of ideological diaspora where they're all arguing with one another, sometimes about important things, sometimes about dumb stuff? And as Dave Smith, I know who's a collaborator and friend of yours, when he said that 2008 and the Occupy movement was a kind of. Kind of unique solidarity when it comes to the typical political taxonomies in your country and mine, people transcended that and recognized. Hold on a minute. It's financial institutions that are to blame for this. Why don't we start targeting them? That was the advent of identity politics.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, let's have a race war.
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Russell Brand
Yeah, race war. Quick.
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Tucker Carlson
Super quick. So you were involved in all that stuff. I mean, you were assessing British politics in 2000. That was a long time ago, all of a sudden. And now you're talking about Jesus. So how did that happen? Well, you wrote a book about it, how to Become a Christian in Seven Days. Did you become a Christian in seven days?
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Russell Brand
No, I became a Christian both instantaneously, but over the entirety of my life. When it happened. It happened in an instant. It happened when I was, I reckon, even though I wouldn't have termed it this way at the time, probably contemplating suicide, I was probably considering do. Is this. Would this. Is there a way out of this? And the reason was, of course, was because of the allegations in the UK of criminal sexual conduct, specifically rape and sexual sexual assault at the same time as my son had been diagnosed with a heart condition, which we've discussed previously. And those two things happening simultaneously did something extraordinary to me in so much as it was exposed to me that I've. I mean, I heard it as a voice like you just described. Sometimes you hear these voices. You've spent your whole life worshiping fame and sex. Well, now look, fame and sex have come together. Is this what you wanted? And all the time that I was famous, by the way, I think there would have been people that are. The only things they would have known about me is, oh, isn't that that guy that was married to Katy Perry? And isn't that that guy that likes always talking about sex and stuff and being all like a sexy rock star in movies in your country? They might say that. And so those two things sort of compounded to show me the nature of my worship. You have been worshiping false gods. You have been idolizing yourself. And shall fame can be glorious. For the kingdom, he is a tool. He can use. Sex, magnificent source of creation connection, of course. But I was misus. Using those things. Now, when that hit me, even though I kind of understood it a little bit before. I didn't understand it as viscerally as I did in the new context of your son. I tell you this man, there was a moment where I was walking my dear beloved dog Bear, and check out this thought. This is, I think the tempter, I think this is the accuser. This thought occurred. Would you. What if your son, Laura's still pregnant, my wife is still pregnant. What if your son died and this could all go away? Would you accept that? And I sort of went, oh God, no. Like that. Like I felt. I sort of fell to my knees and I cried. I cried for thinking it. I cried for thinking it. Like, how could you even think that? How could you even think that? And it sort of purged me a bit, that cry and that cleanse in this period of contemplation. A friend of mine from I, from a 12 step support group sent me a video of Rick with Warren and Rick Warren. I ever heard of Rick Warren. I know that Purpose driven life sold 30 million. I don't know things like that. I'm not Christian, I don't care, right? He sent me a video and then I see it. It's the most sort of slick televangelical TV show of like, hey, we're gonna be speaking with Rick Warren. And I see Rick Warren, he's kind of beardy and plump. I'm like, what's all this? And then when he talks about like he's and that, the. Everyone's too toothy, too tax breaky. Like, you're not gonna get me with that. You're not getting me with like proper American evangelism. I'm clever. I'm not getting. I'm British clever. I'm British working class clever. That might be the cleverest anyone can be. You're not getting me with that. But he talked about his son killing himself and like, and the way he spoke about his son's killing himself. Because for me, in my mind, this is Tony Robbins, like someone who I deeply admire. As a matter of fact, I'm thinking Rick Warren, he must be like a personal coach kind of person who brings out your excellence or whatever, you know, I didn't even have a reference for what Christianity is thinking about it now, like, but like, so Rick Warren spoke about his son suddenly suicide without shame, with pain and sorrow, but without any kind of indulgence of that. And I thought, what is that? What is that? What is that? That you can. Because if your child kills himself, you ain't better not be writing no books about personal development. Because the worst thing that can happen has happened. So shut up. But I. When I saw it modeled, delivered, when I encountered it, I felt like, oh, he. What is it? And that sort of somehow glitched something in me. And I was out, and I was in the fields by my house. You visited my house. I'm by the River Thames. By the river, by the still waters. And I'm in green pastures. And it was only when my dog died that I realized that my dog is a German shepherd, that he was a shepherd, and that the shepherd made me sit down in green pastures, and he made me be still by the waters. And I understood that I was being spoken to and that through my son, I was being spoken to. Tucker, in those moments where if you hand over your body, boy, like, 12 weeks old to surgeons, and you don't know if you're getting him back again, like. And then when you see him with the wires and the tubes and all that. So it's so visceral. And in those rooms, me and Laura, we felt okay. We felt fine. We felt peaceful. We felt protected. And I was going into those hospitals in, like. First time I wore a mask during that pandemic, let me tell you, was to be out in the streets in London because every single newspaper and every single TV station was dedicated right up until October 7, peculiarly, to saying, Russell Brand's a rapist. We should have known. Could we have done something, like, in plain sight, suggesting that somehow I'd conducted my entire career in anticipation of a time where in the future I would be accused of sex crime? Brilliantly. He was flirting with every single woman he ever met on tv, on camera, and chatting up. If there was a talk show and there was a female here, I'd like to know, are you single? And if she said yes, I'd start flirting with her and try and detect, is she attracted to me? And if she was, I would pursue that till it's natural. Literally natural. Conclusion. If I, on the other hand, detected revulsion resistance, then, like, I'm like, okay, luckily, I'm famous. So, like. And they tried to somehow reframe that as some as. Like, I don't know how you would even do that. But the problem is, is I created a lot of data out there during those years. I was sleeping with thousands of women, and I was sleeping with women that will have sex with you immediately in a bathroom or backstage or in a corridor in a car, right? So I create quite a. Quite a lot of. I hurt people. I exploited People that's greedy, that's selfish, it's inconsiderate, it's mean, it's certainly sinful, immoral, it's all of those things. There's no question about any of that. So when show me the man, I'll show you the crime. If people's phones are getting scraped, as Edward Snowden revealed from more or less the late 90s, just in case one day you do something we don't like, we're ready to go. It's either going to be the pink or the green, the money or the honey. We're going to get you financially or we're going to get you sexually. Unless you're a person that's lived in Christ. If you've lived in Christ your whole life, they're gonna have to kill you for doing nothing. They're gonna have to kill you for doing nothing. Probably happened to Charlie Kirk, probably. There was nothing shady to get him with, was there? That may be what it was. So, you know, luckily I was a philanderer and a hedonist, so. Well, we'll just do rape and sexual assault with that guy. That's gonna take minutes. So they're able to. It's unbelievable when you see the material that was generated initially, I mean, their documentary by this company called Hardco Cash. It was a. Actors played the women that were making allegations that had not gone to the police or anything like that. And they used bits of my stand up where I was saying stuff like, yeah, like really in a camp. I'm a British comedian, so I was being super camp and crass, but using campness to take the edge off. Very vulgar anatomical and sexual and erotic jokes, which I was very explicit about. And they would pose that next to someone being shot in silhouette, even though it was. Was an actor shot in silhouette, even though it's an actor, to protect the identity of an actor. Like they should, like, you know, if you put them with music, you know, people don't realize a documentary is a construction. What archive music did you choose from the archive library? What music for that scene? Why. Why did you cut away there? Where's the rest of the interview? How many times did you talk to that person? What did you tell that person when you were talking to them? So it was an extraordinary time. And I have absolutely. I will say this, no animosity to anyone involved because I can see why you would do it. I can see if you look back at something 20 years ago, 25 years ago, where you had sex in a bathroom with a stranger, why Would you not like if you see a documentary, that guy, he's a villain. He was dressed in black. He loomed. His eyes changed suddenly. It's extraordinary. It's extraordinary. Extraordinary. But the reason that there were no allegations, I'm assuming contemporaneously or during. Me too. Or you know, all the way up till there was a television program called Russell Brand has secretly been committing all these sexual offenses, I'm assuming. And then there was a phone number at the end. Have you ever met Russell Brand? Then I'm assuming that was a component in this. So either we believe that the Times, owned by Rupert Murdoch are a great. You know, they're a force for good in the world and you know, Hard Cash, whose name has certain indications that they're there to help us and that the mainstream media at large are here to help us. Or there might be some other agenda at play that if people are prominently talking about COVID and Moderna and Pfizer and Rishi Sunak invested in Moderna when it only had five employees. And then when he was chancellor and Prime Minister they did deals with Moderna to the tune of millions. And all of the things that we understand took place in the COVID period or the Ukrainian war and that the CIA. CIA carve out, I should say made content saying Russell Brand's an asset for Russia and put it into Ukrainian language that's indication of the presence of the state. Or if the 77th Brigade run by Mark Lancaster, who's married to Caroline Dininage, who's the department head of the social media department and Caroline Dinage on like day one of of Russell Brand's accused of sex crimes is like he should be demonetized on X and YouTube. When did she learn what the word demonetized means? When did she learn that? Does she know about CPMs? Does she and and. And programmatic ads? Or did she have a conversation with someone? I wonder who. I wonder if it was her husband, Mark Lancaster. Guess what they're doing when Britain are occupying or working in Afghanistan or Syria or wherever to protect us, like the 77th Brigade, what they do is ensure that there is no significant uprising by managing the social media, by de amplifying and controlling social media in eg, Afghanistan or Syria to make sure that only the correct rebel factions are able to organize their information. Shadow banning we'd call it here. Well, 77th Brigade aren't allowed to operate in the UK cause you're not allowed to use military psyops on a domestic population in except in Covid. Special suspension was made allowing 77th Brigade to operate inside the UK and to allow them. And it said this in the Times newspaper, the same newspaper, in fact, that published much of the nefarious and untrue reporting about me, that 77th Brigade are going to take down vaccine misinformation. Social media commentators now in the uk. That's who I was and what I was. I was. That was what I was doing. I was providing an alternative narrative. The YouTube channel was exploding. It was extraordinary. And I was beginning to think I have to be involved in politics. It's not enough. It's not enough to just talk about this. Indeed, look at what's happened with cryptocurrency. Technology means that the same centralized financial institutions cannot control global finances in the way they once did. Don't look too much into where that power is primarily housed. But it seems that you can generate false revenue for inflationary measures. You can control entire economies and indeed base an economy on the one thing that's explicitly forbidden in here, debt and usury. Thankfully, all our debts are paid by the one who truly loves us. So technology changed currency and finance forever. Technology is changing media forever. It's inevitable that it will change politics when people accept that we now have the technology for direct participatory democracy, where every single issue could be polled and voted on by the population, that you could have minimum centralization and minimum intervention as the principles that the states. Each state could be independent wherever possible. Each town could be independent wherever possible. Each individual could be independent wherever possible. In here, of course, we have some significant guidelines for transgressive behaviors that would require legal intervention. And pretty much all of us know what those are. We've all like. Indeed, C.S. lewis's primary argument, along with Aquinas, is morality doesn't have to be engineered. And it's not some sort of post truth, post structuralist. There is no truth arbitrary thing. We all know good and bad because we feel it viscerally and we feel it in our cardiovascular system. We have inbuilt sensors if you don't turn them off with vaccines and bad food and bad signals continually in a manageable way. Tucker, the City of London is having an election for mayor in 2028. The reason this is fascinating is because the office of Mayor is manageable. The London Mayor, Sadiq Khan right now is only in control of the Metropolitan Police Force, London Transport and certain issues regarding planning and housing. All of these areas in a participatory direct democracy could be opened up to people that live in London, that love London, all of a sudden you don't have politics that thrives and runs on ideology and debate. You have a pragmatic democracy. Do you want Ulez cameras that charge you if you have a certain type of vehicle? Do you want a congestion charge? Vote for it. If you vote yes, we'll do it. If you vote no, we won't. Do you want this type of policing where people are arrested for Facebook posts, or do you want to focus on knife crime? Which boroughs, which areas, what time of day? Do you want us to investigate historic crimes or do you want us to focus on contemporary rape gangs? The beauty of it is you would say we have an opinion and we have a voice and we have advocacy. You could even if you wanted for free, because there's no way I would pay people to do this. Have a council of elders from the LGBTQ community, from the Muslim community, from the white working class community, from the left and from the right, from all potential groups and say, why don't you advocate and advise? Because I don't want to be in charge of London. I want to participate in an end to the kind of politics that we know is birthing midwifing, the apocalypse and Armageddon, through duplicity, through conflict, through endless self obsession, through pornography, through addiction, using addiction, even where it doesn't typically play out every time we look at a screen, the food that we eat, the things we believe about ourselves. I would like to run for mayor of London in 2020, 28, so that the people of London would run it, so that politicians are not involved in politics. So we have true, open source, transparent democracy. I bet you, like me, do poly market adverts. They seem to be advertising absolutely everywhere. That technology for polling and electing could be used to determine where you want your local budget spent, who you want running a particular area of public life. If there is a requirement for any representation, and most importantly, you will be in control of your own lives. And we don't need to quarrel and squabble about Islam and Islamic invasion. If the people of Epping don't want to have migrants in their community, then let them vote on it. Now, that's not an area that the London Mayor controls. But certainly if the polling was available, it would be difficult to impose that on the people of Epping. Perhaps if people in other communities are very pro refugees, they would get a budget for and the ability to house refugees. There's no point in us living in this Tower of Babel madness of insane, assessing unending conflict online and sometimes in person when we have the opportunity for real community, real change. At this point, Tucker, we know that the Republicans aren't the answer, the Democrats aren't the answer, the Conservatives aren't the answer, the Labor Party, the Greens, reform, whoever. What you want is for people to be absolutely empowered in their own lives, as our Lord suggests. Each of us has direct access to divine truth and you can participate as much as you want to. So that I want to tell you as well that my intention amidst all this madness, with a forthcoming trial and book out that I'm very pleased with. I'm going to run for mayor of London in 2028.
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Tucker Carlson
You're going back to the UK?
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Russell Brand
Well, yes, possibly to serve a jail sentence.
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Tucker Carlson
I wasn't going to ask you about this because I'm upset about it. And I just want to say for the record, as clearly as I can, that I buy your explanation completely and I think this is a lie and that you're facing a real jail term because you spoke against the people in power. I don't think there's any other way to, to interpret it. So that's my position, just to be clear. But what exactly are you looking at? Like what. What happens next?
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Russell Brand
I be. I'll be on trial in October of this year. Yes. And I, I don't want to be willfully ignorant, of course, but I tend not to, to ask what will happen if I'm not acquitted because I've got a wife and three young children. Also, by the way, I do believe if someone committed a rape 20, 25 years ago and that's proven to be true, that person should go to jail. Rape is abhorrent. I watched the other day something like Pretty Woman with my wife. And when there's an attempted rape by the brilliant Jason Alexander, it's an appalling, abhorrent, jarring moment.
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Tucker Carlson
The worst thing.
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Russell Brand
Yeah. And when I watched it from the position, position I'm in now, it's like that's what. What the. How dare you say that I would do that. How dare you say that I would do that?
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
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Russell Brand
I have a kind of a magnetic allure. I'm not saying I wasn't a pretty appalling low life of an individual, but what I was not doing was imposing, forcing, coercing, attracting, charming, seducing anyway, of course.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, that's the pleasure in it. It's like fishing. That's why dynamite fishing is no fun. Fly fishing is lots of fun.
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Russell Brand
Do people use dynamite in fishing?
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Tucker Carlson
Of course they do.
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Russell Brand
Right. That should be banned as Well, I mean, but I'm just saying, like, five London, that goes on day one.
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Tucker Carlson
But most men, yeah, I mean, I know that there are rapists out there, and I think they should be severely punished. Most normal people think that. Yes, but most men. I've never met any man who got drunk and told me his secret desire is to force sex in anyone. That's the opposite of what I think most men want. Yes, correct.
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Russell Brand
Because the currency is love and acceptance.
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Tucker Carlson
Right. And it's also like I lured this person with my charms. Isn't that how men feel? I think they do.
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Russell Brand
I think primarily, and I pray, ultimately, most men, yes.
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Tucker Carlson
So why. Okay, so this whole thing happens. You get charged. I was actually in the British Isles the day this happened, and I called you. I'll never forget it. And I gave the bad advice I give to everyone who's charged in a political case like this, which is run as fast as you can to a country with no extradition treaty and don't. Which is an option. It is an option, of course. Run away. This whole system is rigged against people who question its most basic premises. As you have. So why are you submitting? You're choosing to participate in this? To take the risk, to submit. Why?
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Russell Brand
Firstly, because. Because I believe all things are from God. And I recognize that this is what it took for me to accept that my life is not my own, that I belong to a higher calling, a higher purpose. I recognize that. I also recognize that what I demonstrated and how I lived for a long time was wrong. I also believe in trial by jury. As a matter of fact, even though the United Kingdom are trying to obliterate that, and that's not a good sign. They're trying to remove that, except for mercury murder and rape cases, but they are, as well as advancing surveillance technology, facial recognition, digital id, all of the things you're aware of in the dystopian uk, they're trying to get rid of jury trial. And I believe it is possible to have a fair trial. And I believe it is necessary to confront and stand up and stand firm in your conviction in this case, in my conviction about the truth of what I have done and what I haven't done. Because as a Christian, we're all forgiven for all of the things we. We've done wrong. But you don't need to be forgiven for things you haven't done. And there is, of course, in a way, no choice. You say that I could, you know, go to a place where there's no extradition treaty and in the Moments of my worst fear. You know, those are the kind of things I think about. But in reality, Tucker, it says in here the. The book of James opens with, we consider it pure joy when we face trials of any kind. And there's no exemption in the Christian life. It's not like, well, except unless you actually do have a trial, in which case go and get yourself to Bora Bora quick, smart. You know, this is what I'm called to do. This is what I am called to do. This is what we are being called to do. I'm not trying to drag you into my terrible trial with me. I'm saying that your trial, I think, is of a comparable nature because in a sense, it's sort of inadvertent that we find ourselves in this position that you had an enormous audience on Fox, and then you become an independent journalist and become even more successful, and you go from advocating for Trump for reasons that are perfectly understandable to condemning Trump for equally evident and obvious reasons, more or less. Even if we take personalities out of it, the Iran war, that. Where does that go for you now? What are you gonna be called to do? You will note that most of the people that get called in here are like, no, thanks, I'd rather not. I'd rather not. I've always been a sort of a bit of a glory hunter, kind of, you know. Well, that's actually the wrong way to put it. I felt so worthless and intense, inferior as a child. So this sort of unapproved of, unwanted and unloved. That's not to do with my parents. They really did their level best. And then as a drug addict, anyone who's like the kind of drug addict I was, you're moving among poor people, prostitutes, broken people. And all of that time, I felt kind of an emptiness and a worthlessness. And when my identity was fulfilled, it seemed, at least to me, in a kind of stardom and acceptance and being lauded and applauded and celebrated and loved and given the kind of attention that I thought thought would work. And it was really quickly meaningless and empty. After this beautiful golden moment of feeling like, oh, wow, Lord, you love me, I feel that there is nothing for us to do but to lovingly participate in whatever he puts in front of us. And the examples are alive in here that all of them are persecuted and often just killed for what they believe in normally, because at some point they incurred counter conflict with real power, either the kind of cultural pharisaic power of the early Christians or the monarchical oligarchical terrifying despotism of the kings of the earlier empires. And for the first Christians, their role was to, well, indeed isn't the primary character of their conversion. All these people that were willing to look into the eyes of people, including the 12 year old girl at the fire and Peter said, I don't know him, I've never met that guy where minutes ago he was willing to sort of get in a fight for him like that. These people, these men, these ordinary men and women, these ordinary Christians, when they're confronted with a moment where they might have to die for what they believe in, take it. Now I recognize I'm not standing on trial for being a Christian. I'm standing trial according to the lexicon of the British judiciary for the crimes that I've already discussed. But in what this is my opportunity to do is to show that I believe in truth. I believe you can have a jealousy justice system because there is a God. If you don't believe in God, you can't have absolute justice or absolute truth. They are by definition constructs of the human mind, arrived at using a mind that by its own belief is itself an arbitrary system born of chaos. You can't have morality. And when you live in that culture, and most people do, a lot of people seem to anyway, because I'm talking about like a lot of Christians aren't living like oh my God, this is actually real. And that's of course forgivable. The first Christians had that problem. They found it hard to live as Christians, live as disciples of Christ, yoked to him, following him, eyes on him at all times. This is for me a difficult thing. I wish it would go away. I wish it would go away. But what I pray for is the strength to be who I am in him as I walk through it and to go where he wants me to go. I don't want power no more. I don't want the power of being a celebrity or the mayor of London or a lothario. I don't want that. All I want is to know him intimately. And I forget that sometimes because I'm weak and I'm easily distracted and I'm fallen. But in him I am none of those things he made me and you and everybody for to know him. To know him and love him. And it doesn't all have to be on a big, grand global stage in great big trials against a fallen nation. Britain's fallen apart. That's obvious. It's evident. It's on a different trajectory from your country. It's still owned by dark imperial power. And the thing about the idea of participatory direct democracy, Tucker, is I don't care if I don't want to sit in an office somewhere making decisions. I want to pray all of the time. I want to be with God and I want to be with my children and the people and to tell people to do what it says in the Great Commission. Tell people in a language that they'll understand. God is real. Christ is real. Stop worshiping the world. You're gonna die. You're gonna die and it's all meaningless. All of us, evidently all of us have experienced grief and death. I can't even get through the death of my dog without Jesus, in fact, but with Jesus, the death of my dog shows me. Oh, my God. I may find it hard to think of a Galilean man 20, 26 years ago laying down their life for me, but I know that dog would have done it. I know that dog. And that opened enough in me for me to receive him more deeply when my beloved dog died. I don't want to be in any other communion. I don't want to be in any other conversation. I don't want any of the world's power anymore. I know how broken I am and how corruptible I am. And I know I can't take my eyes off him for a second, but thankfully, I see him everywhere now.
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Tucker Carlson
So you began this process. Well, you began the process at the beginning of your life, but you began the conscious change from pagan to Christian or whatever you were before to Christian after your son was diagnosed with a very serious ailment and you found out you're going to be indicted for rape.
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Russell Brand
That's what it takes. I'm not easily converted. Hey, there was this guy. He helped people. Yeah, so what? That's probably not true. He's the son of God. I don't. I don't care. People are doing miracles. You're in trouble. Okay, all right. Okay, you've got me. What do I need to do? Explain it.
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Tucker Carlson
So I watched it carefully, and you and I talked about it as it was happening, and I just thought it was one of the most wonderful things. And by the way, I just have to just pause for a two minute story which I think I've told before, but it's my favorite story ever, that we went to Easter a few years ago and we had dinner the night before and you were talking about how you're going to. To get baptized. And we went to this Easter service. It was an outside Easter service on the beach. And these two kids come up to me. They were college students from Purdue in Indiana. And they said, is that Russell Brand? This is the next morning after we had talked about baptism. And I said, yeah, that's Russell Brand. Yeah, Russell Brand. My friend Russell Brand, he said, that's incredible. We have been praying in our church that Russell Brand would get baptized. And we just find ourselves here. This morning at this church service was nowhere go to near where they live. And I said. I felt emotional hearing this. I said, we were just talking about his baptism last night. And then they walked up and introduced themselves to you. And I just thought, wow. I mean, I guess I already knew this, but there aren't coincidences like we are in the middle of a drama that we didn't write. So then you get baptized, and then you start talking about Jesus. And immediately people say, well, the guy's an actor and a comedian. He puts on Personas for a living. And they don't believe you and they make fun of you. What was that like, that experience?
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Russell Brand
I didn't really mind that, actually, because it's always a different reality at that point. Yeah. And also, remember, I've got this good foundation of 12 steps. The 12 steps, too, requires that you surrender your identity as an alcoholic and as a drug addict.
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Tucker Carlson
Amen.
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Russell Brand
You come to believe there's a power greater than yourself. You hand over your will and your life to the care of God as you understand God. But the problem, I think, with paganism is one will always revert to self. If everything is God, then anything is God. And I know what I tend towards me. I'm God. I should be in charge. That's where I incline towards. So when I was in here, I don't like people saying that, you know, if it was up to me, people would only say nice things about me all of the time. And they would say, but, like, I
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Tucker Carlson
reckon that would be bad for us if that happened, don't you think?
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Russell Brand
Yes, I don't think that would work. Cause I tried to surround myself in a little sycophantic bubble and in various points in my life, and it hasn't worked out at all well for me, so. So I don't mind about that. I don't care about that at all, actually, because. Really.
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Tucker Carlson
Because it infuriated me watching it.
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Russell Brand
Really. Cause I actually.
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Tucker Carlson
Because I knew it wasn't true and it really bothered me.
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Russell Brand
Thank you. That's really kind of you.
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Tucker Carlson
But it had no effect on you. That's funny.
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Russell Brand
Well, actually, I was around really good Christians that were, like, sort of like, going, well done. Well, that was being. I was so encouraged. Like, I would send people, like, you know, like, when I got baptized. Cause those kids, they were trying to. They were like, I remember those kids from hanging out with you that time around Easter. They were like, hey, I baptized her. We baptize you. We baptize each other. It's like, they're gonna gang baptize me there and then. And like. Like. And I. I knew that Bear Grylls had been saying to me, hey, he actually turned it this way, shall we get baptized? Is what he said, like. And I thought, oh, me. Because I had been so solipsistic up to that point. I didn't know that Bear Grylls is a pretty passionate Christian and had been public about it. So I thought, oh, Bear Grylls on this trip, is he? I'll get baptized with him. Well, when he arrived, it was quite plain that only I was getting baptized. Then there was the obvious and evident demonic coughing. Like, I could not stop coughing. The pastor arrived by boat. My friend Joe, who's a Catholic, was one side of me, that hefty fallen man and Bear on the other side. It's like, you know, it takes for me sort of career criminals and the SAS to baptize me. We got in that water and I couldn't stop coughing. You know when you get an embarrassing cough?
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, yeah.
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Russell Brand
One of them happened. They were looking at each other. We got in that River Thames. I went under, I came, Came out, and I felt different. I felt different. Now, a lot of companies in the UK that are in charge of water franchises have not behaved but responsibly with that river. So it could be diphtheria. It could be all sorts of things. Cholera. Yeah, cholera. It could have been many of those things. But I came out and I felt different. And I've not really. I felt an increasing look. Anyone that's Christian or has come to Christ as an adult knows what it's like. There is a subtle vacillation. There is at least temptation, a calling to go back. What if I did this? There is. I can feel the old identity. Wasn't it Spurgeon who says, you know, you are drowned in Christ? But sure. Sure enough, the old guy can swim. The old man can really swim. I feel the old man. I feel the Adam man in me, the old Earth man for the fallen man calling back. But I feel closer and closer to him all the time. I feel like I'm able to have this conversation with you. In Christ enough so that it doesn't seem to me to be a problem. If some people go, I think you've only been. I don't know if you know how the British legal system works, but there is no contingency for Christians. Britain has just made, like, abortion legal till your 25th birthday. Like, we can abort you if we have to. We can euthanize you if you say, I've got a headache. Euthanize him. Euthanize him. They're changing the law to put the power of God into the hands of man right now. So saying I'm a Christian is not like, you know, in Britain, the way things are going right now, where they. I pray for revival. I pray for revival.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes, I do too.
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Russell Brand
No one seems to be questioning the fact you can't have a justice system without a God. Without God, there is no justice because the justice means absolute right. Right, absolutely. Truth. That's what it means. It means it's possible to aspire to, that it's there, that there is a path, that there is a way. In other words, thinking about these things as they churn through mad post Enlightenment despair and atrophy and entropy as the whole thing seems to dissipate and degenerate. And as we nominate AI to be our moral center and create new false consciousness, new false gods and alarming rate, no one's considering that we've got no ground. And until we have systems that represent our true role, yet we are stewards of the earth. That's why we love the earth. We are its stewards. We must love one another because that's what we're here to do under God. When we get rid of that and put ourselves at the top, then we're just quarreling about ideologies. How much longer in American politics do you want to go between? Right, we won. Let's spend the next four years desecrating the beliefs of this group. Right, we won. Let's desecrate the beliefs of this group. We, anyone before we recognize, well, this isn't real. What are we doing? The real agenda is carrying on in plain sight. And it seems to be a geopolitical agenda that has some weird connection both to energy, which is another word for power, and indeed occultism, which means hidden ritual, hidden power. Something is going on, something that I don't think any of us really understand. And you more than anyone, it seems to me, at least right now, appear to have been nominated to decide. Describe it to people. You're doing a good job.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, I don't understand it at all. And luckily I do understand almost everything on a dog level. It has to be very obvious for me to pick it up. But I do believe that symbols are resonant. That's why people use them. And if all around you you see obvious signs that people have a religious agenda. I have been around powerful people, people for so long that one thing I've learned is they're the most religious people of all. And they all pretend to be agnostic or. I don't believe in anything. I believe in science. No, no, no, no, no. They are observant religious people. They're just not worshiping the same God. But they think their power is supernatural. There's no doubt about it. I know them and they believe they are special because they're getting supernatural power. And I think it's demonic power. I think it's really obvious. Obvious, look at the fruits. But they know it. They know it. They're observant religious people.
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Russell Brand
You mean through practice, through ritual?
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Tucker Carlson
Correct, Correct. Yes, yes, absolutely. I mean, and it's always the same. It's the temptation of Christ, bow down before me and all this will be yours. But I mean, there's no question in my mind that. That the killing, the ritual killing of other people, whether through war, abortion or euthanasia, the death penalty. It's a religious ritual, of course. And through killing, the shedding of blood of others, especially of innocence, they derive power. What's child molestation? There's no sexual attraction to children in nature because there's no reproductive possibility. So normal people are not. Of course, there's something sexual about molesting a child. The point of it is to defile. Right. I mean, that's why it's so common.
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Russell Brand
Yes.
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Tucker Carlson
It's not because they have weird sexual orgies. There's nothing sexual about it. It's like when I destroy purity and beauty, I gain supernatural power.
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Russell Brand
I think that can be eroticized by. But the eroticization is in itself a culture kind of charge. I believe this is where, again, we would look to the outliers in the conspiracy community of. I know that, you know, we talked at the beginning of how we've moved from mainstream media purview where, you know, just to say that I'm from the New York Times or the BBC is insufficient. That doesn't. That is not a badge of honor and authority anymore. Those days are gone except for the sort of. There's kind of nostalgia around it, I suppose. But then, like, you know, people that have been. That are eccentric and are kooks and perhaps because our culture hasn't afforded the roles that are emerging from this new kind of Jungian psyche that we create, we're creating a new consciousness through AI, through the Internet, through mass comms. And so you will have the dark woman, the shadow woman that tells truth and mad and frantic red faced preachers screaming or broken wounded men in. You will have converts and apostates too. That's you. And probably me too. You will have the. And like see David Icke, what I always felt about him is why can't the culture accommodate him? And what on earth was it that happened? Even in the brief time that I was in media, where we could. I used to have a radio show on the BBC, BBC2, very popular, normal. I got thrown off it of course because I did something ridiculous as usual. But like, like David Icke, they spent. He used to just come on, I go, David Ike, so tell us what. The queen's a lizard and yes, there are reptilian entities. Now what David Icke would say about the rituals that involve child abuse are that it generates an energy that I believe they call loosh that sort of is being utilized. And all that adrenochrome stuff is starting to seem eerily. We're not moving away from that direction is what. What I'm saying is. It's like that. There's one vocabulary that describes it that seems conspiratorial, somewhat sort of baroque in its imagery and it's. And then. But the other one is in here. I mean it's like child sacrifice is clearly what they play those high altars for Moloch and BAAL and Beelzebul like that. They're demanding innocence and there is some sort of weirderotic component. And what was Jezebel doing when Elijah had to take all that time out? Drove himself.
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Tucker Carlson
None of this is. I mean it's all bad, but it's certainly not anomalous or strange. It's like the story of every civilization from the beginning of recorded history has always operated on the basis of what we're describing.
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Russell Brand
I saw you say what you think all of a sudden. Like throughout, for time immemorial, the elites and most powerful people have had access to like sexual pleasure. You think that's all of a sudden stopped now? You think they're not doing it now because of rationalism? Because of what? So silly. Of course they're doing that. And I suppose isn't it strange because now we can't like we can't talk around power anymore. That's what the decline of Trump does, I think, is it means you can't have this convenient, albeit temporary, symbol of resurgent American pride and nationalism through common sense and free market and America first. When there's a war with Iran that appears to be beneficial to extra American interest, you can't have that anymore. Now it's like, oh, right, so you too, huh? And that's.
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Tucker Carlson
But what do you mean we can't talk around power anymore?
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Russell Brand
That's when we talk about power now. I, you know, of course, even though I don't particularly read it, I can, I can. One can sense the hysterical glee of the Democratic left. We told you, Tucker Carlson, that Trump's a madman. We told you that he was a narcissist. We could have had Kamala Harris in that White House right now. She would have never have gone to war with Iran. Kamala Harris would have stopped. You saw the way that woman described problems and definitely wasn't drinking in the daytime. She would have resolved all of this. Get her now. Is it too late? Would she do it? She might run again quick. It's not too late. What about Gavin Newsom? He's got nice hair. Aoc. She was a bartender, you know. Come on, See reason, see reason. But like, also Republican Party. Who are we going to get excited about? I mean, look, I. Look, you know what I used to criticize when I was affiliated with the left by virtue of the class of my birth and the champagne socialism version of that, as a sort of a star type guy, I used to. The argument I used to really find quite repugnant was, well, of course, we know the left's not perfect. We know that Tony Blair is compromised. We know that Keir Starmer at the CPS was dreadfully authoritarian. As I heard you once say, you won't make me. You won't convince me, even at gunpoint, that that guy's making decisions himself. I love that. Like, we just let them. Because the alternative is so much worse. The alternative is so much worse. And using that polarity, modality, they've bounced dumps this around for about 100 years at least, if not longer, if not longer. And now. So when I say real power, surely we should be considering now. Okay, so ethno nationalist, America first, populism, conservatism with kind of allusions to Christianity, with, without heeding Chesterton's warning. Christianity has not been tried and found. Found wanting. It has been found difficult and not been tried and like that for us to recognize it's hard to be a Christian because it starts with you, like, I'm the one. As Chesterton also said, I'm the problem. I'm the problem.
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Tucker Carlson
That's the truest thing.
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Russell Brand
And like you said. Yeah, you said that. I see that resonates.
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Tucker Carlson
That's the price of admission. Well, I just think that's the beginning of liberation is realized. It's like the beginning of healing. A fractured relationship is always the same. You acknowledge that it's your fault and it stays fractured. This is true of a relationship between another person and a relationship between you and God. It only begins to be healed when you admit what you did wrong. That's just true. That's just a fact. It doesn't work otherwise, does it?
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Russell Brand
No, it doesn't. And I'm trying to do that in the areas where I have been wrong while in the difficult situation of being accused of things I haven't done. And that's been a real little tightrope walk and certainly more than I can. What's your.
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Tucker Carlson
So are you going to get a chance to say this? I want to come, by the way.
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Russell Brand
Will you?
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, obviously.
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Russell Brand
I mean, I don't know if they'll let you in the dark because I'd like you in there. I mean, they got excited when I had a Bible in there. Like, someone came and took the Bible off me. She was a lovely lady, actually, but I was holding the Bible. I was in there. And also when the news reporter, my father in law, my beloved father in law. God love that Catholic, devout, lovely man, Bernard Gallagher. Like, he's a. Like a serious person. Like, he's a golfer, he's a Rider cup captain. You know, like, he's a beautiful guy. And it. Like, when I saw him last month, I was in uk. What are you doing, Russell? It says that it said in the picture that year stood up and started trying to preach in the courtroom. I was like, no, I did not do that. I didn't, like, grab the Bible and start going, now hear this. There is only one true justice and it's not the corrupt justice of the British Union. I didn't do that. I just was quietly holding it. Then I saw someone else clutching his Bible. There's nothing that they won't metastasize.
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Tucker Carlson
Clinging to, I think is the term
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Russell Brand
we use, clinging to his Bible, which I think we saw him sexually assault earlier in the. In 1992. Like, I mean, like the whole. Like, they won't miss an opportunity to turn everything negative. So when I say we can't be confused about power, you with your Constituency you with your voice. How can you ever again say, all right, I advocate for this party or this group. It's gotta be principles. It's gotta be principles.
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Tucker Carlson
It's gotta be.
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Russell Brand
These are the principles. And the one that I keep coming to is democracy could work, but it can't work at the scale of nations. You're gonna have to look at what, how. What the limits of democratic reach are. And we've got to let go of some pretty baked in ideas. The individuality, individual sovereignty, beautiful, but individual expressionism, the ridiculousness of. You've just got to be who you truly are. What do you mean? Well, people are truly violent, they're truly corrupt, they're truly broken. They'd be who you are in God. Be who you are in God, not who you are. According to your mad culture that will turn you into all sorts of crazy things on any given Sunday afternoon. Individualism doesn't work as an idea. Materialism doesn't work as an. An idea, as a highest principle. Of course, I recognize we're in a reality that, you know, has edges and progressivism, the idea that we're advancing people. In the old days, they were idiots. We've understood this now. They needed the Bible back then because they were dumb. We've advanced beyond that. That idea has to go as well. We have to move to a position of humility and righteousness. Righteousness means I know your real God and I know me. Cause I am me. And I know you've been with me all the time. So you know how broken I am. You know what I've done. You, you know what I've not done. So that's the basis now for the rest of my life, seek thee first the kingdom of God and all this, and his righteousness will be granted to you. If I'm in the right position with God now, I can do what God wants me to do, not what I want me to do or what the culture wants me to do. So real power is God's power. But as you already alluded to in both Luke's telling and John's telling of the temptation, when the devil tempts Christ, he says, I'll give you power over all of this. It's mine, and I can give it to whoever I want. And Jesus doesn't go, well, steady on. He goes, yeah, I recognize that. But actually, that's not what I'm here for. I'm paraphrasing, but like, but like, you know, the Christ recognizes and as it says in John's first Epistle, we know that the Evil One is in charge of this world. And as St. Paul reminds us in Ephesians, we're fighting against dark spiritual power.
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Tucker Carlson
Yes.
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Russell Brand
So real power. I saw it on one of your shows, actually, and it's a. It was a good video title, by the way. Whoever came up with that. Everything is downstream of spiritual warfare. Everything is downstream. So if we operate on that basis of, how is this. What is this doing spiritually? What value is this promoting? What role is this casting me in? What lie am I believing in, thinking that if Congress goes this way or the Executive Branch goes that way, or the Senate does that, it's not enough anymore? We've got to look rigorously at what's happening. And I think the one principle is maximum power to individuals, to communities, to families. But you can't, like, go around making people be Christian at gunpoint. So it works for me. It took the breaking apart of my entire reality in order to recognize that he's real. The simple fact he's real. He's here now. He Rose. He didn't die. He ascended. He granted us. The Holy Spirit is within you. It's not just a poem. It's a deep, essential reality. It's more real than. You're called, Russell. And you can speak this language that you didn't invent using lungs that you didn't give yourself, walking on a land that you didn't build in an infinite space that seems to be expanding with a molecular world that's full of weird paradox and miracle. You didn't do any of that, but you can, through his grace, participate in it through truth first. Truth, like you said, confession. Confess. Well, this is all of my brokenness. This is who I am. Do what you want with me. And in a way that is liberating, because there is part of me, Tucker, that doesn't want to be convicted of rape and go to jail. And there is part of me.
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, there's a part of you.
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Russell Brand
Hey, that's a bit of me. Now I'm trying to get rid of that little guy. But there's a part of me that also thinks, well, hang on. If this can happen, anything can happen if you can conjure it up. And also, by the way, I'm, you know, like, we'll say, watching, watching your content. I'm thinking, oh, man, am I just some guy banging on about his divorce? Like, oh, this thing happened to me. It was not fair. I can show you. I know that guy. He better not be coming to dinner. And I. So, like, yeah, so yeah. Are you afraid Sometimes? Yeah, sometimes. And in that fear, that fear, like fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. But 365times, do not be afraid. And so what is the fear of God is the beginning of. God has absolute power. It's the beginning of wisdom. It's not the end of wisdom, it's the beginning. So if I sort of recognize that God is the person, that must be my focus. I will be taken on a journey. And if obviously God wants me to go through this, because this is happening, so. But it's also sort of kind of not odd in a bunch of ways other than the odd anomaly, if I didn't do the things I'm accused of, it really makes sense in a lot of ways. I worship the world exploitative and greedy and there's loads of ways that it makes sense. I kept missing opportunities to live a good life like God would show me, hey, look, you've got this amazing wife and these beautiful children to be grateful now. And I still was like, no, I should have more. Shouldn't I be powerful? I'm not kidding. You know, I keep falling into. I need. I obviously am a person that needs clear instruction and I've received it.
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Tucker Carlson
So are you going to start your campaign while you're in London on trial?
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Russell Brand
I'm starting it now, right now. And it's in 2028. You have to, you know, like the business end of running for mayor of London's pretty practical. You pay ten grand, you get some signatures in every single borough of London. But this is the thing that I think is important. It doesn't matter if it's me, it matters about the ideas. If you have a Green mayor of London or a Reform mayor of London or a Conservative, or even if Sadiq Khan continues doing it, you know what you're going to get if you vote for participatory, open source, direct democracy, where every single where possible. And I don't see why all of it wouldn't be possible and open for referenda. Switzerland does it four times a year, massive referendum. And that's a whole country. You have the opportunity to change London meaningfully. Now, that is populism. And populism is a kind of dirty word. People sort of seem to think that the population are dirty, that there's something wrong with people. Mob rule. But I'd say what we have now is closer to mob rule. Oh, yeah, Mafia, mob, mob mentality. We know what mob means. And also, by the way, I rather object to the fundamental principle of contemporary politics by Leadership and governance by appointed leaders that you don't understand. You're stupid. You don't know what we know. We need people that have been through these institutions to run government. I don't like that. I object to it on the most sort of personal, sociological and relational grounds. Some of those beautiful people I meet haven't had formal education. Some of the most intelligent people I meet haven't had a formal education. And the idea that power belongs, belongs to an elite is for me, it's disgusting. And I think for a minute, if I can be entirely honest, I was so sort of blindsided and overwhelmed by the events that, you know, we've talked about a lot over the course of this conversation that I actually forgot. You're supposed to be doing something for other people. You're not meant to be here just for you. You're supposed to be doing something for other people. And the idea that someone as self involved as I have been as narcissistic, solipsistic, hedonistic and indulgent, as epicurean as I've been in my life, say, listen, it doesn't even matter if it's me. It doesn't matter if I'm the mayor of London. The system, this idea is what matters. Open source, direct democracy, where you vote for. If you want Ulez cameras or this kind of policing or that kind of policing, is it Facebook or is it knife crime? What do you care about? You're not stupid. You are not an idiot. And indeed, it is possible to transcend this hysterical, endless conflict between Muslims in the uk, gay people versus straight people. It's pointless, it's irrelevant, it's abstract care more about my dog dying than the horrors in Gaza. Because when my dog dies, I'm falling apart in grief and I'm coughing and I'm puking up, and that's how God made me. Of course I should do everything in my power to prevent genocide and destruction and war and hypocrisy and lies. But I've got a lot of that in house. And until I deal with that, I'm no good to anybody. I'm no good to anybody. Maybe people in London shouldn't be thinking about Israel, Palestine all the time, but maybe they should be thinking about how to run London themselves. How do you want it run? It's up to you. Why are you an idiot? Did you believe what they told you? Do you want to live in what they told you forever? Or do you want to take this precious gift of life granted to you by God? Or an Unknown cosmic force of random molecular chance that somehow ended in your consciousness and everyone you love and grief and mourning and poetics and archetype and participate in it while you're here, all too briefly, unless you accept him, repent and enter into eternity through him. That's one route. And yeah, we've got a book about that. Also, though you could be running your community, if it's bothering you at all, then the post Epstein file release era, we're still just like, maybe we should have this one or that one. What do you think? We've been told they're mad occultists having sex with children on an island. What do you need to know? How much longer? How much longer? And I'm just so glad there's the footage out there of me on YouTube or on Bill Maher or wherever saying, hey, listen, Fox News is no worse than MSNBC or no better. You know, it's out there. I've said it on the television and I'm saying it now. And I'm saying it now from a position of I recognize the position I'm in. I recognize my own fallibility and brokenness. I don't think I should be in charge. I don't think anyone should be in charge. They're all broken and fallen. The problem with representative democracy is on that little horse ride from their constituency to Congress or to Westminster, where 400 years ago, Representative democracy at least had a rational undergirding as well as no obvious technological solution. It seems that other interests get in the ear of these people and say, maybe would you vote this way? Or maybe would you never say that again? Or maybe shut your mouth right now and if we don't change that fundamental flaw, then you're going to live in an endless whirling downward cycle, a senseless spiral of their insanity, which we could intervene in with the one gift we know we have. Consciousness, love, life, glory. Inclusive of everyone beyond. It's not your job to worry about whether someone's a Muslim or a Jew or an atheist or homosexual. You worry about running your own life here. You vote. Do you want that? Yes or no? No. Okay, 67% of people voted no. We're not doing that anymore. We want another vote. Okay, we'll have another vote. Not like Brexit, where just keep voting till we can do what we were gonna do anyway. Not like every single general election or even Trump, even someone who seems pretty in themselves eventually, over time. And I thought it was a great post. You did, by the way, like, you know, eventually, like, give him Some grace that was great. Like, even someone like him can be just turned into whatever they want. And like, the people that are ultra conspiratorial and I think probably closer to the truth than any of us would say, we told you all along, it doesn't matter who you vote for, you're going to get the same results. Like, you know, the macro picture, you know, the geopolitical picture better than anybody. But I think the only way to do it is this thing that I'm starting to trust from being in your country. The American people are beautiful. They're brilliant. They're not full of hatred. I'm, like, down there in, like, the panhandle. They're not. They're not all, like, caught up in racism and bigotry. They just want to love their families and stuff. I saw a brilliant thing in my country. The farmer movement in my country is lively. The people love their land. You know, John Bull. John Bull is like a British archetype.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Russell Brand
You know, and, like, they're getting into it and it's kicking off, as you will be obviously aware, in Ireland. And, like, I saw something on the BBC who said, like. Like, in the countryside, it's too white and farmers are too racist. And it, like, made me laugh out loud because I thought, like, imagine being a farmer and the sort of graft involved. The jobs, the duty, the toil, the trial, right, we gotta get up. We've got to plant those crops. We've got to till that field. We've got to feed those cows. We've got to get in there and cleanse that soil for next year. Then I have to stop for a while, burn some Qurans. Then I've got to go. Then I've got to shake a hate language over a hedge into an adjacent field. This field goes fallow. This one here, this one's for my bizarre rituals of racial hatred. That's my homophobia. Barn, Barn. Don't have time. So they're telling you that people have got problems that they don't have. The British countryside's white because that's where British white people have lived for ages now. What are you making people hate one another for? It's got reached kind of an absurd frequency. I feel that I believe in him. He's real. So, Eva, I'll run for mayor of London and nothing will happen. Or I'll run for mayor of London and go jail. Or I'll run for. But what will happen if people talk is the idea of. Hold on a minute. Yeah, hold on. That technology. They're saying will work for our digital id. Wait a minute. That would work. And then we wouldn't have dominion voting machines that might be maybe centrally corruptible and compromised. You put the document democracy in the hands of the people. Open source it. The technology exists now. That's why dear Joby Weeks is on house arrest. You should talk to that guy, by the way. He like, he was a bitcoin entrepreneur. He did some mining early on. He got rich too quickly. The FBI just came, took all of his equipment, put him in jail. They've confiscated billions from this guy. He's in under house arrest this day. He's a waiting trial. You should meet him. So like we're in these areas of innovation. The ingenuity exists, the grace exists, the righteousness exists, the talent exists. This whole country that came from like dirt and paganism and in 250 years is the most powerful and unprecedented and glorious nation in history. Which, by the way, I think it is Jerusalem now. Because if Israel was the original people and Paul says, go to the gentiles and our Lord says, be a light to all nations and everyone will come from everywhere. I mean, it's starting to sound familiar. And all of these railroad entrepreneurs and all of these miners and this rich soil and the furriers and the trappiers and the banks and everything. And then all of a sudden it gets captured in a peculiar that I don't quite understand. And it's got another agenda. This is the greatest country in earth. On earth. This could be Jerusalem. But that won't happen with current institutional biases, don't you reckon? If the founding fathers of your nation were alive now, they'd say, what should we do to implement the changes that are possible now as a result of extraordinary advance?
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Tucker Carlson
Russell Brand, how to become a Christian in seven days. I think it's pretty obvious that God is using you. And I'm going to your trial.
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Russell Brand
Oh, good, thanks. October 7th. That's nice.
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Tucker Carlson
Me, is it actually October 7th?
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Russell Brand
Oh my God, I didn't even see that. Yes, it is.
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Tucker Carlson
Your trial is October 7th.
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Russell Brand
You know, one of my friends said to me from. He goes. He goes, what I know about the state and the kind of interests we're talking around is they do things preemptively, like they think, right? If we're going to take this course of action, what are the potential obstacles in this reason? All right, well, preemptively. Get rid of that one. Get rid of that one. Get rid of that one. Right, that's the puff. I didn't realize. Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
It's October. I assume your pre trial Hearing is on 9 11. I'm just guessing. I don't know. Thank you for that.
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Russell Brand
Thank you.
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Tucker Carlson
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