The Most Canceled Man in Comedy: Exposing Hollywood, Defending Racist Jokes & Overcoming Dark Forces

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Podcast: The Tucker Carlson Show
Episode Title: The Most Canceled Man in Comedy: Exposing Hollywood, Defending Racist Jokes & Overcoming Dark Forces
Date: May 15, 2026
Host: Tucker Carlson
Guest: Owen Benjamin

In this deeply personal and wide-ranging episode, Tucker Carlson sits down with comedian Owen Benjamin, who recounts his journey from Hollywood success to being one of the most "canceled" figures in comedy. Owen details his rapid fall from the entertainment mainstream after voicing controversial views, the consequences of speaking out against prevailing cultural taboos, and his path to rebuilding a meaningful life. The conversation traverses themes of comedy’s role in society, the trappings of fame and debt, the dangers of despair, spiritual warfare, community-building, and how to maintain integrity and hope amidst public vilification.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Owen Benjamin’s Background and Rise in Show Business

• Early Creative Roots
  Owen describes growing up in a musical and literary family, using comedy as a “craft” rather than a fame-seeking vehicle.

  • “My dad sang opera…my mom taught children's literature…it created a comedian in a way that's a craft.” [00:39]

• Hollywood Breakthrough
  He entered LA comedy, featured on "Punk’d," did Comedy Central specials, acted in sitcoms, and worked with Adam Sandler and Vince Vaughn.

  • “Adam Sandler puts me in some movies…I become, like, one of the leads of a sitcom…Vince Vaughn, who I love, produced it.” [01:13]

Comedy as a Pressure Valve and the Trial of Taboo

• Comedy’s Function
  Emphasizes how comedy is a pressure relief valve—meant to address trauma and enable catharsis. Critiques trends that strictly police which groups can be joked about.

  • “Comedy's a pressure relief valve. People build up trauma and the joke allows you, with the laughter, to look at it and deal with it.” [03:09]

• Universal Mockery vs. Identity Favoritism
  Laments the shift to identity-based taboos in comedy and social discourse.

  • “When they say, you can't make fun of black people or Jewish people, whatever, I'm like, then I can't make fun of Muslims or Christians. I have to have everyone, or else I'm a mercenary.” [05:21]

• Roots in Heckling and Observational Insight
  Owen’s experience as a Renaissance Faire heckler taught him how to make jokes that target pride and not surface characteristics, forging an honor-based approach to humor.

  • “I learned that you don't attack based on what I believe, it's where their pride is.” [04:12]

The Turning Point: Speaking Out Against Transgender Children

• Activism on Social Issues
  The watershed event was publicly questioning and mocking parents putting children through gender transitions. This broke his “jester's privilege” and led to rapid industry blacklisting.

  • “Saying a kid is trans was like…I was like, no, this is like a nightmare. Like, a kid can't consent to anything.” [09:48]
  • “Because of the trans kid thing. And on Twitter. Just from Twitter. Yeah. And so then my agent drops me. My manager also dropped me. Everyone just starts alienating themselves…” [13:50]

• Immediate Fallout All bookings canceled, dropped by agent and manager, widespread social ostracism, even from former close friends and collaborators.

  • “People that I've been in their wedding…are calling me a man of hate…it's me. And I thought it was this horrible misunderstanding.” [14:39]

• Support from Unexpected Quarters Found initial support among "neocon types," e.g., Dennis Prager, Michael Knowles, who then also ultimately imposed their own limits.

  • “That kind of tribe picked me up, you know, like the Dennis Pragers and all those guys.” [15:20]

The Mechanics and Psychology of Cancellation

• Collective Ostracism and the Swarm Owen describes the cancellation as not the work of one person but a “swarm” or “collective evil.”

  • “It's almost like a swarm…like a behavior, like a fractal. And there's no one really in charge.” [17:20]

• Navigating Despair Though he felt his world was collapsing, Owen found solace in manual labor, family, and direct community—emphasizing that “dead wood just started burning,” removing what wasn’t real or sustaining.

  • “The irony…is I'm with my brother. I'm doing tree work…my life is actually going great, but I still think it's going horrible, right?” [15:23]

Persistence and Losing the “Jester’s Privilege”

• Barriers to Independent Work Even after trying to self-produce, he faced orchestrated cancellations, payment platform bans, and theater blocks.

  • “Then they started all canceling independent theaters...like, the word had went out, like, you got to start going at this dude's pocketbook.” [16:55]
  • “I get kicked off PayPal. I get kicked off Airbnb.” [40:15]

• No Place for Comedians Without Team Loyalty Realized even conservative circles had “sacred cows,” and eventually couldn’t be part of any team or tribe due to his compulsion to speak truth irrespective of audience sensitivities.

  • “As soon as I do, I will lose the tether. I can't be a comedian…I'm just gonna be, like, in the woods, picking up rocks.” [43:23]

• Adaptation: Building His Own Platform Developed his own direct-to-audience ecosystem, including apps and subscription services, to escape corporate censorship and intermediary actors.

  • “So then I make my own app, the Bertari Times app...We just build our own app.” [67:29]
  • “Me and Vox started unauthorized tv. We keep getting kicked off payment processors.” [83:20]

Coping Mechanisms: Faith, Family, and Craft

• Family as Anchor Owen credits his wife’s steadfastness and their move to rural environments for re-centering his life.

  • “That's when you realize your wife loves you…Because she's ride or die.” [27:21]

• Community and Homeschooling Found meaning and purpose in building community through homeschooling, local meetups, farming, and artisanal work.

  • “When I was banned, there'd be guys like, dude, I have a barn. You want to perform there? ...So that would naturally start building communities.” [113:39]

• Spiritual Perspective Leans heavily on spiritual language; sees much of public life as “spellcasting,” and sees gratitude, toiling, love, and service as means to break these spells.

  • “How do you break the spells? It's so simple that people almost don't believe it. It's like gratitude, toiling, love, service.” [109:37]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Comedy’s True Role:
  “The role of the comedian is…to give people relief, you know…with the laughter to look at it and deal with it.” — Owen Benjamin [03:07]

• On Universal Mockery:
  “If not, they're like subhuman…Oh, don't say anything to him, he can't handle it…No, you can make fun of me.” — Owen Benjamin [05:51]

• On Collective Evil:
  “It's…a swarm…like a behavior…like a fractal. And there's no one really in charge.” — Owen Benjamin [17:20]

• On Despair:
  “Despair is…That's why, like, there's people I'll go at. I'm like, if you spread despair, you're basically poisoning people.” — Owen Benjamin [21:08]

• On Integrity and Apology:
  “I can't apologize, though, because I'm not sorry…then my apology doesn't mean anything, and I need that.” — Owen Benjamin [26:19]

• On Wealth and Debt:
  “Live way under your means and then you’re totally free...wealth, which is, you know, trust...land...respect.” — Owen Benjamin [65:17]

• On Breaking “Wizard Spells”:
  “Wizard is all about deception…hiding something so you make a decision that benefits me and not you.” — Owen Benjamin [107:06]

• On the Mechanics of Community:
  “We just keep making new accounts…they didn't want me to be able to tell the villagers...So I kept just making new accounts...” — Owen Benjamin [67:37]

• On Grateful Resilience:
  “If I’m building something beautiful, I feel hope immediately. Like I just start feeling hope and I’m sweating and it…That’s in the Bible. That’s why I keep telling people just to have a garden, even if it’s on your windowsill.” — Owen Benjamin [81:49]

• On Parenthood and Responsibility:
  “When you’re good to your animals and you have the morality of it, they’re just so... I’m still not over the death of my last dog…” — Owen Benjamin [125:48]

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Important Timestamps

• Owen’s Hollywood background and rise: [00:39–01:53]
• Philosophy of comedy & the importance of universal mockery: [02:49–06:28]
• Social shift in comedy/left-wing Hollywood: [06:54–08:39]
• Trans kids controversy, public opposition, & cancellation begins: [09:39–13:56]
• Industry-wide shunning & support from “the right”: [14:39–15:46]
• Discussion of “the swarm,” collective behavior: [17:00–18:31]
• Losing platforms, banks, institutional access: [40:16–41:46]
• Building independent, censorship-resistant communities: [67:29–68:44]
• Family, faith, farm, community—“parallel structures”: [83:20–86:03; 113:39–115:41]
• Spiritual and psychological mechanics of “wizards” and “spells”: [106:23–109:35]
• Advice for listeners: hope, action, and gratitude: [111:13–115:49]

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Final Reflections and Takeaways

• Owen Benjamin’s story serves as a case study in the dangers and redemptions of cancellation culture. He underscores the importance of retaining integrity and faith despite immense social and professional pressure.
• He rails against despair and cynicism, imploring listeners to build real relationships and tangible, trustworthy communities outside mainstream platforms.
• Comedy, truth, honor, and clarity are framed as both spiritual and practical disciplines—antidotes to the “spells” of modern propaganda.
• Ultimately, the conversation is rooted in hope: the enduring worth of family, nature, honest labor, and gratitude as defenses against a chaotic cultural landscape.

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Standout Quotes

“My motto is, I might be wrong, but I’m not lying.” — Owen Benjamin [30:01]

“If you’re worried about being a narcissist, you’re not one.” — Owen Benjamin [113:02]

“Gratitude, toiling, love, service…that’s how you break the spells.” — Owen Benjamin [109:37]

“We don’t decide the truth…we can have a subject…But, like, it is…we didn’t make it.” — Owen Benjamin [69:44]

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For more from Owen Benjamin, listeners are encouraged to watch his independent streams, join his platform communities, and seek meaning in building real-life relationships.

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Transcript

[Owen Benjamin]

Foreign.

[Tucker Carlson]

Benjamin, thank you for doing this. Thank you for coming all this way. I've interviewed, I don't know how many people who've been canceled. I had a whole franchise interviewing people who've been canceled kind of over it. Except in your case, you have the most amazing cancellation story. Both because you were, I think, the really. The first big name, the first blue check on Twitter to get kicked off Twitter, but also because of what happened after. So I know this is probably tedious for you, but it's, I think, really interesting for others if you could just go through what happened, where you were in your life, how that life ended and what happened next.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And thanks for having me.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, my gosh.

[Owen Benjamin]

This has been a blast.

[Tucker Carlson]

Thank you. Me, too.

[Owen Benjamin]

So I was doing comedy in Los Angeles. Like, I started as a piano player. My dad sang opera. He taught rhetoric. You know, I just basically how to speak in a way that's interesting to people.

[Tucker Carlson]

You were a piano player?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, I started when I was like, 2 or 3 years old, and I. I still teach piano, like, classical piano. Wow.

[Tucker Carlson]

Not jazz piano?

[Owen Benjamin]

Not jazz piano. No. That's. That's unspeakable. I have a jazz friend who's really into jazz, and I'm like, why do you enjoy breaking the rules that make things beautiful? It's a funny relationship, but. And so, like, I think with that musical background, my mom taught children's literature. It, like, kind of created a comedian in a way that's a craft. Like, I wasn't, you know, seeking fame or re. Like, a lot of comedians can just be, like, kind of spilling everything on stage. Like, approve of me, you know, And I. I was all about just doing that craft properly. And so I incorporated music with it. I go to Los Angeles, I get on the show punked. I, you know, I do Comedy Central specials. Adam Sandler puts me in some movies. I become, like, one of the leads of a sitcom. Vince Vaughn, who I love, produced it, and we went on the road together. Like, I'm having a great time out

[Tucker Carlson]

there as a stand up.

[Owen Benjamin]

As a stand up. Yeah. And an actor, like, but more based around my personality. Like, I'm not one of those. I can be a French prince guy, you know? Yeah. Like, I can't be like, who am I today? You know? And so I'm. I'm having this. This life. And I never really thought about a lot of these issues. Like, I didn't think politics were anything. You know, I just avoided all of that. I just autistically focused on my craft.

[Tucker Carlson]

You were not in your personal life, like talking about politics at dinner.

[Owen Benjamin]

No, I was just, I was just trying to do my job as best as possible. Like I was very, just job oriented where I was just always creating and writing and trying to do the best joke. And then I saw what was happening in comedy where, you know, the concept of a bad word, like a word carries, like intention. Right. Like, that's insane. Like you can't put human consciousness in an object. Right. Just like a gun kills people. No, a person kills people.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Owen Benjamin]

Kill someone with a minivan filled with lollipops. You know what I mean?

[Tucker Carlson]

You know?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes. Yeah, exactly. And so the idea that a word without intention is wrong or that a group can't be made fun of was so twisted. But I was just kind of rolling with it because comedy for me is a way to discharge stress.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like if you avoid a group that's

[Tucker Carlson]

actually very cruel, you know, comedy's a pressure relief valve.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes. Yeah. Like people build up trauma in their life and the joke allows you with the laughter to look at it and deal with it. Right. Versus like, I'm not a, like I'm not a tear you down comedian. It might sound like it, but it's more like, it's more like a way to help someone see something like, like relationship, like help them communicate or help all this stuff. And so I took it very seriously. Ironically, I took comedy very seriously where I would, I would try and help a couple, you know, by doing relationship jokes and then they get along better and then they, you know, I had this very loyal people because of that, you know, I was never like, I want to humiliate you. Right, right. And so when I was a heckler at a Renaissance festival in high school, that was my job.

[Tucker Carlson]

What is it? What does that even mean?

[Owen Benjamin]

I was the dude in the stocks and I would make fun of people and they'd pay to throw tomatoes at me actually nine hours a day. Yeah. And a gypsy would take the money and I, and I learned that you don't attack based on what I believe it's what. Where their pride is.

[Tucker Carlson]

You were paid to be a heckler at a Renaissance festival?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Like, you know, at Renaissance fairs you have like the prisoner in the stocks and he's just making fun of people. And that was me. That was like my job.

[Tucker Carlson]

Did people actually hit you with tomatoes?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, but if I got him properly, mentally, they couldn't aim properly. They'd throw into the ground. It was really interesting. And so like a really, really fat guy, you don't call fat. He doesn't care. It's like a guy like me who eats too many cookies because he has four kids. Like, I'd spiral. Right. It's like, where the pride is.

[Tucker Carlson]

Totally agree.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Like, if someone's like, if someone made fun of me for my pants not being, like, designer enough, I'd be like, you're gay. Right. Like, I wouldn't even care. But, like, if they made fun of the things that I have, like, issues with, you know? And so I would look at people,

[Tucker Carlson]

and I did that all the time.

[Owen Benjamin]

I try to find their pride. Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so that even though I could be a little harsh, it was actually good for them. And so I'd get a bigger crowd than the. The joust. Like, that was always my goal, you know, the joust that have this joust going, and I'm like, I got to beat that joust. Because it became this show where, like. Because I wouldn't attack women. I just overly compliment women, because that would be the way to get the guy.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Because you don't just. You never attack a woman. It's like, oh, your wife is so beautiful. Like, are you at work all day? Right. And so she's having fun with the tomatoes. He has to get it, you know? And I do it to everyone. So they knew it wasn't personal. Right. And that's why I have to make fun of every identity. Like, when they say, you can't make fun of black people or Jewish people, whatever, I'm like, then I can't make fun of Muslims or Christians. Like, I. I have to have everyone or else I'm a mercenary.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, because you believe in universal principles.

[Owen Benjamin]

Exactly. Yeah. And it's like, I. I can't show favoritism. And ironically, that's how I. I believe it's very cruel to do that. Like, where it's, you know, like, I. I would come up with, like, veteran jokes for my veteran friends or, like, wheelchair jokes for my wheelchair. It's like, if not, they're like, subhuman. It's like, oh, don't say anything to him. He can't handle it. Right. Like, I would feel horrible if someone was. Imagine if all the guys were riffing and they're like, don't make fun of Owen. He's, like, very weak and dumb. What? No, you can make fun of me. And so I'm from, like, the honor culture of, like, you make fun of weakness and you get stronger and you build bonds. Yes.

[Tucker Carlson]

I am, too.

[Owen Benjamin]

So I saw that happening in la and it was. It was Obama's second term. I think something happens second term when people double down. I agree.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right, I've noticed. Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah. When they're like, they're just ghost riding. And I'm like, at that point, you can either be like, this didn't turn out the way we thought, or they're like, they just tunnel vision and become insane. I saw that with the left in Hollywood then. Right. And you can kind of see that happening now.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, kind of.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right. Where you're like, remember that whole Epstein thing, the war thing? And people are just like, no, this is even better. That was the Obama thing. When, you know, at first it was like, oh, this guy's gonna stop racism and he's so peaceful. Right. And then when that wasn't the thing, they'd be like, the word family is a slur, you know, And I saw that. But I was.

[Tucker Carlson]

Even in your world, even among comics, you saw that.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, I would see the same. Okay, like Sarah Silverman that became this like, super intense. She used to have this hilarious joke. She goes, I saw the movie 300. It was how gay it was out of 10. Like, funny, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, very.

[Owen Benjamin]

Imagine her doing that. Like, all of a sudden those people, like all those hardcore liberal types, they. They were once somewhat funny and then, boom, it was all gone. Everything's serious. Everything's about victim consciousness. And I was like, this. What's funny about. And I saw this one special where this girl was just talking about, like, being raped. And she was like, she was like, I was raped. And people are laughing. She's like, don't laugh. I'm like, dude, this is nuts. Right? Like, you want to give victims relief, you know, Exactly. Like, that's not helping. Victim.

[Tucker Carlson]

You know, it's important to know that whatever you're going through is pretty common because we're all people.

[Owen Benjamin]

Exactly.

[Tucker Carlson]

So when you. When someone is really distressed, it's helpful to say to that. Or when you're really distressed, it's helpful for someone to say, you know, I've been through this. I know someone's been through it. Like, people go through this like, it's going to be fine or not, you're going to go to heaven in the end or whatever. But put their suffering in perspective is relief for them.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's what. How to sway a wizard. It's like one of the main things is isolation. Like, you're the only one thinking, yes. Yeah. And so that's the role of the comedian is like, you know, like the fight between a man And a woman where she had a bad dream about you. Right? Like, stuff like that. You know, it's like, they'll laugh.

[Tucker Carlson]

Wait, that's happened to other people, right?

[Owen Benjamin]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Tucker Carlson]

You cheated on me. In my dream.

[Owen Benjamin]

I was laughing with. I was tweet, like, we're just going back and forth with Candace Owens about that when everyone was freaking out about her dream. I'm like, do they not know women have dreams and take them very seriously? That's every woman. No, I have dreams about, like, spiders and clouds and stuff. Like, they have, like, these specific dreams. Oh, I know.

[Tucker Carlson]

And they carry over into the day.

[Owen Benjamin]

Oh, yeah. So anyway, like. But then what happened with me, like, when I took the jester hat off, and I'd never done that because I was always seen as, like, the likable guy that you could parachute in with any culture and I'd fit in and make them laugh and stuff. Was the trans kid thing. Like, that's when I snapped out of that whole thing, because I was always more, like, libertarian, looking at gay stuff, and, you know, even, like, abortion. I. I never really thought about it. I was just like, oh, yeah, if somebody's, like, raped, like, who are you to. You know, I just didn't force them

[Tucker Carlson]

to have a baby.

[Owen Benjamin]

I never. I'd never gotten anyone pregnant. I never thought about it, and I just couldn't believe that somebody would lie about that. Right. Like, that's crazy.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so saying a kid is trans was like. I was like, what? It was like a nightmare. I was like, no, this is like a nightmare. Like, a kid can't consent to anything. And trans implies sexuality. You know, I'm like, I play classical music and I own a pink shirt. Like, am I a girl? You know? Right? So I'm like, so what exactly is a girl? I'm like, so you're talking about, like, sexuality in a way, Right? Like, you are a girl with female genitals now. And so as that started unfolding, I start. I go to Twitter and I'm repped at caa. You know, I'm like. I was like, in those worlds. I was hosting, you know, award shows that. Honoring DiCaprio. And, like, I was in that realm.

[Tucker Carlson]

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[Owen Benjamin]

I wasn't like, like a celebrity, but I. My picture was on the wall next to Chris Rock, so I was seen as like a strong craftsman at comedy. You know, I was writing sitcoms, I was a writer. And, you know, and I was like, guys, this is actually like super evil. And I saw publicly, I'm just like, this one guy, guys, this is super easy. This one guy that was on npr, he like saying. He was saying her about his like 5 year old. And I started be. And so he was like, people knew him and stuff. And I just started writing to him. I'm like, like publicly. I'm like, dude, you're totally abusing your kid, right? Like, that's abuse. And then I just start going, I. I get tunnel vision, right? I'm just like. And so that started this whole thing. I had. Oh, oh, I forgot to tell you. I'd already left LA because I had a child and I wanted to be around family and my brother lived in Saranac Lake and I, I just, I knew I could, I could do it there. I didn't need to be in a city. I didn't want to be in a place with dead people on the street, you know. And so I was still at caa. I was still getting deals and working on stuff. But I'm sure, you know, you see the world differently when you actually live in real America. Oh, totally different, you know, like, oh, man, like seeing like the vet that's actually fought the war and to see the people on the fentanyl, you know what I mean?

[Tucker Carlson]

It's like, it's a totally different experience.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's like the, it's like the, the Buddha first leaving the castle and seeing that. Yeah, I literally felt that way. You Know, in Hollyw. What? You just don't see it. They're just like. And then you're like, dude, no, we need guns to, like, kill a coyote that just killed my chickens. Like, you don't know what a chicken is, do you?

[Tucker Carlson]

No. It doesn't begin life as a nugget.

[Owen Benjamin]

No, they. Dude, people don't know where onions come from. It's insane. Dude, that's. Don't even get me started. So anyway, so I'm there, and so I start. This all starts happening, and I had, like, college tours booked. You know, I was about to do Yukon. And looking back, it's. You're way overpaid for that stuff. Like, I now realize that it's funny money coming from strange places. But, like, they. My agent at CAA was like. They just canceled, and the next one just canceled. And they said because I'm a man of hate, right? Because of the trans kid thing. And on Twitter. Just from Twitter. Yeah. And so then my agent drops me.

[Tucker Carlson]

Your agent dropped.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, I was no longer at ca. My manager also dropped me. Everyone just starts alienating themselves from.

[Tucker Carlson]

How did they explain that decision?

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, I will shout out my manager. He was the one guy that didn't moralize it. He was just like, buddy, I don't know what to do, man. Like, all these guys are calling me. I'm like, okay. Versus, like, what you've done is just so evil. I'm like, bro, I've seen you do ketamine on a toilet. Like, like, you're not gonna judge me, man. And I'm like, kids are innocent. Like, I know children are innocent. Same with the abortion thing. As soon as my wife, her belly started growing, I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, that's a life, man. Right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

So I'm so all. All these things starts changing, and so I'm like, okay, you know.

[Tucker Carlson]

Wait, did you actually get a moral lecture from a CA agent?

[Owen Benjamin]

I got it from, like, all these people. Like, people. I won't even say any names because I just like to avoid that stuff. But people are texting me, like, what did you do? Because people in, like, writers rooms and, like, high up circles are, like, basically saying, like, owen's out. Like, it was like, boom, boom, boom. Like, people that I've been in their wedding where I had to wear a freaking yarmulke to be at the wedding are calling me a man of hate, right? And I'm like, guys, it's me. And I thought it was this horrible misunderstanding. And so some People. I actually got a lot of support, even from a lot of, like, the neocon type. And so that's like. So that kind of tribe picked me up, you know, like the Dennis Pragers and all those guys.

[Tucker Carlson]

You must have felt like your life was falling apart. It was falling apart.

[Owen Benjamin]

The irony, though, and this is the theme of the whole thing, is I'm with my brother. I'm doing tree work. Like. Like, a veteran that had, like, you know, killed a lot of people was like, we called it Treehab because he got off opiates. Like, doing hard work, you know, like, toiling, as we were talking about. And. And my life is actually going great, but I still think it's going horrible, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, I'm feeling. You know, I. We just got a chicken. Like, I can't believe, like, my son. Like, I'm looking at this miracle. Me and my wife are close, but yet I've lost everything. And that's such a spell, right? Like, think about it. Like, think about people that have had horrible thoughts of, like, you know, like, despair. I've lost everything, but it's like, dollars, right? I know that's. That sucks. But breath, taste, love. Like, you've lost nothing. You know what I mean? And so the. The dead wood just started burning and all these. And out of nowhere, like, I thought I was, you know, dying on a hill, and all these people just came and supported, right? And I was like, wow. And so I start. I still tour, and I start renting theaters. I'm like, I don't need anyone to book my theaters. You know, I'm like, let's do this. And then they started all canceling independent theaters. Independent theaters. So this is what. So it was like, oh, the free market. I was like, oh, no. Like, I can sell out. I have. I've never been accused of a misdemeanor, right? Like, what did I. The trans kid thing. But it, like, the word had went out, like, you got to start going at this dude's pocketbook. And so now I'm like, I'm working more with the neocon types because they're

[Tucker Carlson]

willing to ask you a question. Who do you. I mean, this is an organized effort against you.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Tucker Carlson]

This is not organic. Who was organizing it? Do you know?

[Owen Benjamin]

I mean, I have some theories, but you don't.

[Tucker Carlson]

You don't actually know for sure.

[Owen Benjamin]

I know the motivations. Every time I think I know for sure, it switches a little. So now I try to not. It's not because I'm, like, worried to say I can't really figure it out. It's almost like a swarm.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's like a behavior where they're signaling. That sounds even crazier, but no, I've seen it. Yeah. It's like a. It's like a. Like a behavior. Like a fractal.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And there's no one really in charge.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right. It's like a conspiracy of like minded temperament.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because like from my background, I'm like, who did this to me?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

There's no one there because who would really do that? It's like a collective evil.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And everyone's just doing their little thing with their behavior and it's all based on these spells. And so it took me a little while to figure that out because at first I'm like, it's the Democrats. And then it's like, oh, it's the this, it's the that, it's. I went through the Muslim thing. All the Muslims.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. China. It's cc.

[Owen Benjamin]

Oh, yeah, man. It's these damn Chinese people that made my phone. You know, I'm like, all these contradictions. And then I realized, you know, it's like, it's the Jews, but I know this cool Jew. Right. And then I had to come up with a term called deli Jews. You know, the one that take all the blame. Even though they're like, nice and they're just kind of complaining about their broken air conditioner. You know, I'm like, who is it? And then I'm like, it's a behavior, it's a spirit. It got me much more, like actually faithful.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

I mean, because I was like, I don't have conventional ways of describing this. So then I start working with more the. The traditional conservative types.

[Tucker Carlson]

Are you melting down emotionally at this point? I mean, you. You moved to LA from upstate New York.

[Owen Benjamin]

I'm. I have a huge chip on my shoulder and I'm very defensive.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. So I'm like, looking back, the things that I would. I don't want to change anything because it all led to this, to that, to that. But like, if it was me now, I would know that I wasn't in the danger I thought I was. And people weren't actually as threatening because I would see people as like a threat to me. Like, you're trying to destroy me.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so I would react in there. I would react emotionally and react more like personally. And now I'm just like, dude, that's when the, the power of forgiveness stuff is so real where you're like, oh, man. Like that sucks where you're at, you know?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so that is my. That was me melting down. Where it was, like. Where it was, like, emotional.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

But looking back, it doesn't. I'm never. Like, we have to kill people or none of that stuff. Like, zero. I wasn't. Like, I was actually getting less into alcohol. Like, I was. It was, like. Because I felt like it was a weakness. Like, because it. Because the Hollywood in my hometown, like, the culture is just. You just drink to land the plane, you know?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

And now I'm doing these live streams, and I realized that because I was always, like, a happy drink guy. Like, I wasn't the dark drinker guy. I was always like. My first special was called High Five Till It Hurts. Right. I was that guy.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

But, like, I could tell that it would make me a little less aware of what I'm doing and that I could feel, like, shame after from, like, going off too hard on someone. They could, like, use that emotion. And so I actually start. My personal life is getting better, which was crazy, but it looks like I'm losing everything at the same time. And so now I'm on, like, this genuine truth journey. And I'm, you know, I'm really thinking about that I lose jester's privilege because I took the trans thing so seriously. But now I'm taking a lot. I'm like, guys, like family as well. Like. Like, this is crazy the way this is going. I see, you know, the Sackler family. I call out. I got a strike for hate speech because of that.

[Tucker Carlson]

The Sackler family who owned Purdue Pharma. The.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right. Back then, before the Netflix special, people didn't know because I'm the who guy who's doing it. And my friend, you know, that vet I told you about, died, and it was, like, so sad how opiates. You know, despair, it's. Despair is the. Is the sin. Despair is. That's why, like, there's people I'll go at. I'm like, if you spread despair, you're basically poisoning people, you know, And.

[Tucker Carlson]

And so that is such a wise thing. I've done a lot of despair spreading. And I.

[Owen Benjamin]

And I mean. Oh, me too. Yeah. But see, telling the truth can come off as despair, but it's still good. Like, I like when you do this stuff about who's doing what and what's going on.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. But I. I think it can be too much. I mean, it bums me out. So, you know, we're commanded not to despair.

[Owen Benjamin]

Exactly. Exactly. There. That. That's when, like, that principle, like, those fundamentals kick in where there's been times where I'm like. But I know, like, despair is a sin. Like, that's like spitting in the face of a gift, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And it's like. Because that's how I feel about suicide. I'm like, that's the greatest. Like, that's so awful. It's like. It's like you're created. You're given all of this, and you're just getting rid of it. Like, it's like someone like your wife making you a beautiful dinner, and you're just like. Like, that would be insane.

[Tucker Carlson]

It's the same impulse, though.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

So you get mad and you smash something.

[Owen Benjamin]

Smash something? Yeah. You're like, I don't want it. It's like, no, it's a gift. It's beautiful. And that comes from, like, shame and all this stuff, you know? So. So I'm. I'm figuring all this stuff out. And then. Because the trans kid thing was why a lot of these neocon types gravitated towards me, and then I was like, guys, you're never going to guess where the pharmaceutical company is. It's this little country called Israel, right? And they're like, yeah, it doesn't really matter where it is. And I'm like, what's going on, guys? Because I didn't even know what the deal was. I'm like, who cares? You know? It's like, why? Why does that matter? Like, we can't talk about that. And then I'm like, oh, you guys have your own little spells you're doing.

[Tucker Carlson]

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[Owen Benjamin]

not like I'm some martyr. I can't do comedy without truth. Like, I would lose the tether to my job.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, like, even without, I was never like, look at me, I'm saving the children. Like, I was like, if I don't stay in reality, I can't bounce the joke off of anything and I will crumble and be humiliated.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes, that's true.

[Owen Benjamin]

I've seen it over and over again. That's why you got to stay grounded. Because, like, fame and money, it's just energy, right? It's not good or bad. It's just energy. And if you don't ground that, like, people go absolutely insane. It's like, you know, you've seen that over and over and over again in Hollywood. Like, you'll see these funny comics. They'll get these huge amounts of money. They get in debt. That's like the major thing. And then that's what makes them a slave.

[Tucker Carlson]

Because, wait, they get a huge amount of money, but they also get in debt?

[Owen Benjamin]

Exactly. Like, let's say you get a million dollars. They would get like a $8 million house with the mortgage. And so then they feel they have to go along with all these evil things or else they'll lose everything. Because I kept seeing it, because I'm like, I know they're not wicked. You know, there's a difference between sin and wickedness. Like, like weakness, which we all have. Cookies, emotions.

[Tucker Carlson]

And I'm with you.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

Cookies and emotions, actually. Nicely put.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And like, wickedness is the hatred of beauty. Like, wanting to destroy innocence, blow up a dome. Right? Like, that's wicked. Where you're like, you hate God versus like, man, I got hammered and just freaked out again, you know, that's different. Because you know what is true and false.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

So to lose the tether of what is true and false is to, like, go. It's like the callous. Like, we don't feel the spirit anymore. And that, to me, was my nightmare. So I'm like, I can't do that. So that's why I left my brother's town, because I do this big, big special. Everyone's pumped. All the locals are like, man, this is epic. We can do comedy right here. But it was, like, 900 people in the town. My special had, like, a thousand. So that's very intimidating to local principalities.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right? Oh, yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

And I'm like, guys, I don't. And so one per. One lady wanted me to apologize for a joke, and I wouldn't do it. And. And people are like, my brother's friends are like, come on, man, just apologize. Like, you know, And I get it. Like, when you're, like, an alpha male in a region, it's like, come on. Like, keep everyone happy.

[Tucker Carlson]

Of course.

[Owen Benjamin]

And I totally understand that. I'm like, guys, I can't apologize, though, because I'm not sorry. And I'm like, you know, I'm not stubborn. Like, I'll roll with anything. But, like, then my apology doesn't mean anything, and I need that.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, if I apologize, I am sorry, which I do do. But if I'm not sorry, then that's. That's a form of usury, and then it doesn't mean anything. Right. Like, I love that I can tell my wife I'm sorry. And she knows, like, if she doesn't believe me, then my life spirals, you know? And so. Yes. And so at that point, so we had to leave that. That town, and it was more just like a mercy, you know, I'm like, this can't really work because I was, like, affecting, you know, my brother's life. And. And, you know, and so we went to where my. My wife's family is, and so that. That worked out better. Because at that point.

[Tucker Carlson]

What is your wife saying at this point? So she marries you. You're this on the rise, successful Hollywood guy y. As your baby.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

And you get canceled, and then you have to. You're on your third town.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Well, that's when you realize your wife loves you.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, because you never really know as things are going up.

[Tucker Carlson]

That's so true.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. It's the same with that. It's like, what is it, Warren Buffett or something? When. When the. When the tide goes out, you see he's wearing their underpants. Yeah. And so at that point, I'm like, wow, you really do love me. Right. Because she's ride or die. I mean, she'll get like. If she's upset, it's because of something real, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, because I'm. I'm Bringing my outdoor friends inside with a lot of ptsd, Right? So, you know, and it's because they're like yelling at 2 in the morning. It's not. You know what I mean? And so that, that's totally understandable. That's why we came up with Outdoor Friends Outdoors. Because I'm hanging out with like a ton of vets at this point. Right. And they're great guys, but, like, you know, wild swings.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

And that's when I saw like a psychic wound, like a moral wound. What that looks like where. Where at one moment you're like, we have to like, turn the Middle east to glass. Like, they're proud of their skill. And then on another moment it's like, man, they're like, just like us. They, like, have families, you know, and that chasm causes so much pain.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And that's.

[Tucker Carlson]

It does.

[Owen Benjamin]

And dude, that's where the, like, forgiveness is so important.

[Tucker Carlson]

And you see them ping ponging back and forth.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's the pain. Right. That's why I would, like, make fun of vets and non vets. You know, a lot of these, you know, people and NGOs and are like, how dare you attack our vets. I'm like, they're finally laughing.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because I would do this thing on Veterans Day. I'd be like, haven't you guys had enough? You know, I'm like, we give you so much. You know, I'm like, if you really left it on the field, it would be Memorial Day. And they're just laughing because they get idolized by the people starting the wars. Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

And I know in the most false way.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And that's me as a comedian, anytime people are like, man, you're like, you're like, so awesome. I'm like, I'm not. I'm good at this one thing, but I have a spotlight. So you think that. But please don't treat me like that, like I'm not an idol, because that's a form of punishment too. The pit and the pedestal. Yeah. A lot of people don't realize the pedestal's torturous.

[Tucker Carlson]

You know, you don't allow any flattery in your vicinity.

[Owen Benjamin]

Exactly. Exactly.

[Tucker Carlson]

Ever. When the Pharisees come, when they're about to kill Jesus, the, the, the trick is they go in there like, you're such a good guy. You only tell the truth. Like, they flatter him.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. I mean, people tell me, you're the reason I had a kid. I'm like, I'll pray. I know. All praise to God. That's a protection.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because if you're the reason for the good, you're also the reason for the bad.

[Tucker Carlson]

Fair.

[Owen Benjamin]

And it's like, we're not gods. Right. So it's like, that's the road. Like, that's a horrifying road. And so many people, like, narcissism is that. It's like truth comes from their emotions, and that's why you're seeing so much lying now.

[Tucker Carlson]

Can you explain that a little more fully?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Like, my motto is, I might be wrong, but I'm not lying.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes. That's my motto also, actually. I love that, dude.

[Owen Benjamin]

One of the. One of the most amazing things I saw you do, and this is not flattery, this is just a fact, is when you said you were wrong about the Iraq war.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because that is. It's rare, though, that establishes truth is outside of you.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, that's rare. A lot of people, they're like, I. I might be lying, but I'm not wrong. Right. They're like, oh, no, it turns out that was all wrong, but I was still right because it's me. Like, I saw that in physics because I had a physics podcast at Caltech with my buddy who's a nuclear physicist, and dark matter, I couldn't stop laughing when I realized it. So they have these gravitational equations, and when it wasn't matching anything, they said, oh, there's dark matter. I'm like, what's that? They're like 95% of the universe you can't see or measure. And it's like most of the gravity. And I'm like, how do you know it exists? They're like, I swear to God. They're like, because if not, we'd be wrong. And I'm like, so you can't measure it? They're like, no, dark matter, but it's there. I'm like, how do you know? They're like, because if not, then this is wrong. Like, VOX Day, who published that, he did a book of breaking down the math of evolution, is so bad because he's like, one of those super geniuses. Vox is great guy. And. And it's so bad. Like, the actual math of it. Like, how. You know, just read the book Probability zero. It's like. It's like the. Like, how long would it take for things to permeate, Like a mutation to permeate to the actual population? And when you see how completely ridiculous it is, I think they have trauma where they're like, well, it can't be that. Or else. Like, I Put a square on my head and brag to everyone. And I. My life is a lie. Right. People like, the guy that changed your oil is actually smarter than you.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, that's. That's when the shame kicks in where they're like, I called all these people deplorable mouth breeders. I tried to eliminate their population and it turns out, like, they're way better at things.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

When I found that out, I was like, wow, these guys are great. Right. It's like, that's the difference. It's like you might feel some pain of pride. We have some phone calls. Right. Because I've been right wrong about a million things.

[Tucker Carlson]

Me too.

[Owen Benjamin]

But it's like, thank. I like being wrong because I'm like, oh, it's usually better than I thought.

[Tucker Carlson]

Always. And it's such a burden lifted. Oh. Because you don't have to pretend.

[Owen Benjamin]

I hate when it's out. Yeah. Because when something's wrong out there, it's like rippling out. And I'm trying to help people, not ripple it out. Right. It's almost like a disease.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes. And you're stopping the spread.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, stopping the spread. You know, safe and effective.

[Tucker Carlson]

Which is another claim that they couldn't walk back because their pride hung on it.

[Owen Benjamin]

Imagine. But the spell is safe for who and effective at what?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

The assumptions is how they get, you know, the more honor based, Anglo Saxon, Germanic type cultures, you know, it's like, well, it can't be that. No one's that crazy. Right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Owen Benjamin]

We don't like, ask the follow up question of like, too dark. It's too dark. Yeah, yeah. It's like the chutzpah culture, which can be very funny where it's like, you'll never guess this loophole I figured out. You know, we can redefine a word and get all these free pencils. Yeah. And it's like. Yeah, but that's like the way I like to describe it is there's two ways to win a race. You either run faster or you get the other guy slower.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right. It's like, my house is now nice because I blew up the pretty house.

[Tucker Carlson]

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[Owen Benjamin]

Right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And it's a behavior. That's why I don't isolate it to one identity. That's why I say like graveler or something. Yeah. Because I see it in all populations.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

I actually think it's a trap to say that like all evil disseminates from one group. That's like one of the classics, the identity trap.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because I see that with like a lot of the white guy stuff. I'm like, no, I don't want to be defined by like, we need more of an arbitrary thing, but we're still just going for greatness. It's like, right. Like, I see that with like, worse. Yeah, it's. Of course. But so many people are falling for this. It's like, oh, no, we just have to get all whites. I'm like, no, we need all competent, good, moral. And if there's more of one group, that's fine. Right? Of course.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, it's absurd. It's. And it's in this exculpatory. That's why people love it, because it's like, I'm on the winning team no matter what.

[Owen Benjamin]

I was telling that to one of my, like, I know I have an Israeli listener. And we're laughing because I'm like, you guys remind me of American Indian tribes I grew up with, where it's like our nation, right or wrong. I'm like, that doesn't go well, no, it doesn't, because you have to go for greatness or else it becomes very, you know, you can't trust each other. And he was laughing. He's like, it's so true, man. It's, like, very tribal, you know? I'm like, dude, all the natives I know, they're all like. They're drinking mouthwash, man. They're not doing great.

[Tucker Carlson]

I shouldn't laugh. No, no, it's true.

[Owen Benjamin]

I've been across my whole life. Like, these are, like, close friends of mine, some of the best athletes in the world. And then they just start drinking mouthwash. And I'm like, dude, yeah, yeah. And that. But that's despair, right? That's why. Yeah. Because you can always get out. And so.

[Tucker Carlson]

So you wind up with the. Your T. You're taken in by. When you say the neocons, like, news organizations, websites. Like.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, like. Like the. Like the more daily wired crowd and Knowles and all. And Powder and all those guys. And I still have a soft spot for Knowles. I think it's pretty. You know, Noles, I like. No, yeah, me too. Yeah. It's just the. The Ben Shapiro's eyebrows. Really? I mean, it's just been getting a little intense.

[Tucker Carlson]

Very.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

Are those real?

[Owen Benjamin]

I don't think so.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. Prosthetic eyebrows. I've never heard of that.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's some dark trolling.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

No, like, imagine just putting. I mean, he never had those eyebrows, and now he has them. Like, you don't just grow more eyebrows.

[Tucker Carlson]

No, no. And the thickness of them. Unless there's, like, some kind of propecia or something on that.

[Owen Benjamin]

Unless someone close to him is putting Rogaine on his eyebrows.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

That would be pretty funny, though.

[Tucker Carlson]

It wouldn't shock me, but it's. The whole thing is weird. So you wind up in that world.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so. Because I was so happy that they were willing to say the things that Hollywood wouldn't say.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes, of course. Me too.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Like, seeing Crowder pray at a meal, like, blew my mind. I was like. Because I was just, like, so into that gratitude, because I love that stuff. Like, in Hollywood, I even texted Vaughn this morning about he was the one being, like, have kids. And he made it funny. And that really motivated me, you know, because there's no voices in Hollywood telling people to have kids. It's always, get a bigger house, have more sex partners, you know, get a bigger deal, have a better car. And Vince is like, baby, you gotta. You gotta start making accounts. Stop pulling out like a coward, you know? And I'm like, okay. And then every Father's Day, I'm like, dude, that was so cool you did that.

[Tucker Carlson]

Really? Vince Vaughn convinced you to have kids?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And because it was always there, I just. I like strong paternal leaders. Like, I'm not. I'm not this, like, hyper. It's always me guy. I like teams I'm real big on. Like a guy I can look up to.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so that's why in a world without heroes, this swarm hates heroes. They hate inspiration. That's why they don't like architecture, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because it makes you feel hope. You're like, oh, wow, that's beautiful. Tomorrow will be a better day. They're like, oh, we gotta. We gotta burn that down.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Literally. And it's sad, right? It's like. That's why I don't. It doesn't get me angry now because I'm like, imagine, like, I see my kids, they can have, like, one bouncing ball. They can have so much joy. And I know people, and I'm sure you do, too. Like, on a giant yacht, on all these designer drugs being praised, and they're thinking about jumping off the yacht.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes. I know many people, like, and they.

[Owen Benjamin]

They get. And in there, like, if I was going to defend them, I would say what they're thinking is, I've done. I've sacrificed so much. I've worked so hard. I've humiliated myself. And that dude on a pontoon boat is so much happier.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Why? Right. And then they get mad at God. And that's why. That's that fractal where it's like, God is wrong. And so once I started realizing that the grand plan is the good plan, all these, like, little things started not scaring me, you know, and I'll have stresses and all that.

[Tucker Carlson]

Little things like being bankrupted.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. No. And like, to continue the story. So after that, things got way crazier.

[Tucker Carlson]

Really?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

After you got rescued by the daily wire crowd.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. When I started being like. Yeah. Because I started seeing that certain identities can be liability shields when you're selling opioids, you know?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

And same with the sex abuse stuff in Hollywood. I was. I was pointing out people and I didn't even put it together. And someone called me an anti Semite and I was like, what do you mean? That's like, I didn't even think about that. That's why I did a whole tour called Height Supremacist. Because I was trying to. I was like, I could do that with height, right? Like, yes. Oh, Only, you know, hail Heitler and stuff.

[Tucker Carlson]

And.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so that comedy.

[Tucker Carlson]

You're six, eight. I should say that. Yeah. Who can't tell?

[Owen Benjamin]

And so I was, like, dramatizing that. Like, I could do that with anything. Like. No, I'm talking about the behavior. Right. Like, imagine if it's like, oh, you're just mad at five, ten guys. No, it's a behavior. And so. And so that I get kicked off PayPal. I get kicked off Airbnb. Like, in my.

[Tucker Carlson]

Airbnb?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Because they want to take out your. Your income.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, so you had a rental property?

[Owen Benjamin]

I had a rental because that. Because I'm like a. Like, I just keep going. Like, I'm pretty upbeat, you know, it's like, oh, I can't tour now, so I'll do tree work with my brother and I'll rent out this house and we'll fix it up and we'll learn about construction and all this stuff. And so I got a letter from Airbnb that. That, you know, I couldn't be on anymore because I was mocking the victims of sexual assault. The joke was. So the MeToo movement comes out, and I do a joke with dramatic irony where I'm like, yeah, so I'm in LA and I go to one of these parades and I'm like, ladies, you might want to think of a different slogan then. And it's like, well, what do you mean? So I do this long, drawn out thing and I'm like, pound. Me too. And so the whole joke is that I think it's a pound sign and the joke's on me. Like, I'm the dumb guy, right? Yeah. So they said that I was mocking victims, and I'm like, no, no. They're laughing because this me too thing is, like, using them for their agenda.

[Tucker Carlson]

Exactly.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, I'm making fun of the W wizard and the wizards are the ones that get mad. Like, the people that hate conspiracy theorists are conspirators.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's so simple. It's like, man, I'm sorry.

[Tucker Carlson]

I just have to. I just. Because, I don't know, people watch these on double speed. I just want to. I want to repeat what you said because it's so worth. The people who hate conspiracy theories are the conspirators.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes.

[Tucker Carlson]

That is so good.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's so true, too. Why else would you hate conspiracy theories? It's like, man, this conspiracy theorist. I'm like, you wouldn't happen to be currently doing a conspiracy, would you? I don't know why.

[Tucker Carlson]

That's never Occurred to me this. Now the IQ gap is becoming.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's not even iq. I'm always around kids and animals.

[Tucker Carlson]

So am I. Well, animals at this point. That's so like.

[Owen Benjamin]

So.

[Tucker Carlson]

I'm sorry. I keep interrupting you. So.

[Owen Benjamin]

I love it.

[Tucker Carlson]

So how long did you remain in that world? In the Daily Wire adjacent world?

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, I was, like, writing for Crowder for a while, and. Yeah, it was more like they would start getting weird with me when I'd ask questions about why we're not hanging on the moon. I'd love to go up there one day. You know, it's like, those things because I realized that it was. That's their sacred cow, you know? So Hollywood has abortion and all that stuff. And so I'm like, no, it's just you're tolerant of all that stuff. Like, I said, barack Obama stole my bike. And they're like, oh, that's clearly funny, the laugh. Blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, okay, but I just did this joke about the size of someone's hat. And now you're offended. I'm like, oh, so you have a. You have, like, a team. I'm like, I almost felt like a Middle Ages executioner where I couldn't live in the Village, you know? I'm like, I'm not on any of your teams, man. I can't. Because as soon as I do, I will lose the tether. I can't be a comedian.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, the comedian. And I'm not against politics. I understand institutions. They have to maintain that they can't be like me. Like, I just roam, you know?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so I respect. I learned that over the years where I respect how, like, you know, religious institutions, political institutions, they have to maintain their order.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

I can't be in one of those because of. As soon as I see something, if I don't, like, do the joke, then I lose every. Like, I lose the whole thing. And so I'm like, I'm just gonna be, like, in the woods, picking up rocks.

[Tucker Carlson]

But. Okay, so at what point did you decamp for the woods to pick up rocks?

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, the whole time, I was slowly just, oh, that's a funny story. So we go to where my wife's family is, and that's much better because I learned the lesson, don't do stand up where you live.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right, right. Fair.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Because I didn't know. I'm like, oh, this will be my job. And now I'm like, the whole thing is family. So I have these kids. I don't want them to be like, Owen Benjamin's kids.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

I'm like, I want you to, like, have great relationships with everybody. And because a lot of times it's not even people that are offended. It's just power freaks people out, you know, where they just will look at them and be like, you know, how can I? You know, I just wanted them to have their life.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

So I just stopped doing. I didn't do any standup in that area. I will profile. And that's great. And then Covid kicks in, right? And so from the beginning, I mean, I did a joke about Ebola in 2017 where I was like, O.J. simpson's killed more people than Ebola. Like, I'm just doing jokes like that just to lower fear. And I'm not a virologist, but I'm like, guys, I have 16 friends that have died of opioids. Can we ease up on the strange African situation? You know, I'm like, despair is killing everyone. But sure, let's watch Outbreak again. Like, this is ridiculous. And I know a lot about mind control stuff, and that's why I wouldn't give one inch, you know, with the mask, I wouldn't wear a mask. And again, it's like apologizing for a joke. They're like, just wear the mask. Like, come on. I'm like, that's. That's the start of it, right? That's the dehumanizing start. And then it's the next thing and the next thing and the next thing, right? It's like that, that Star Trek episode, like, how many lights? And he has to say the wrong answer. Remember that one? Of course there are three lights. And he was about to get rescued. And they were trying to create this thing of despair. And so I was like, in. In that area where my wife is from was like very bougie type people that was like, everyone was wearing a mask, you know, and we had a community of like, like minded people and they were falling for all of it. And I'm like, guys, like, you know, because I. From the beginning, I thought it was to cancel the Olympics. I'm like, maybe it's a debt thing with Japan. Like, I never thought it was a valid thing because of how it was being presented.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, it's like, you get a free vax with donuts. I'm like, that's not a health thing. You know, I'm like, Bill Gates, you don't want to take health advice from a guy who gets awards for lowering the world population. Yeah, fair and that's why people. That's why I got so deplatformed. Because these simple questions just annihilate these spells. Like, you're born gay. I'm like, so there are gay babies? And that alone. Evans. Like, think about a gay. There's no gay babies. Like, that's a crazy thought. And so then you're like, oh, maybe it does have to do with, like, grooming and trauma and all this stuff. And then you start. And then you start being like. And you don't need to be defined by your sin. And then work on it. Like, imagine if I was a cookie. Like a. Like, I'm a cookie guy, right? Like, I can't stop eating the cookies, right? It's like they're saying, your sin is good and that's your identity. Yeah. Because I make fun of how you should have pride. Pride in it.

[Tucker Carlson]

The first of the deadly sins.

[Owen Benjamin]

And I wasn't a hypocrite. Like, when guys talk like that about women, I'm like, that's like, you're like a gay straight guy, right? When it's like, oh, I just got another chick and this chick and this. I'm like, how about you start like a. Like a legacy, like children? I'm like, that's not good, what you're doing. Like, that's an indulgence, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And that's why a lot of gay people privately are like, I like that you're not. Because a lot of them are motivated by how hypocritical people can be, where they're like, how dare you, gay guy? But yet they're like, you know, using women for sex as if they're nothing and. And, like, throwing them away and all this stuff. And so the fact that I was just, like. I had a principle. A lot of gay guys were like, man, I just. I. I like that you're like that. Because they were seeing that they were being used by Target and all this stuff. And. And so it's so interesting behind the scenes, how many people are actually not mad. It's like this illusion.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes, I totally agree. I've experienced that my whole life.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

Like, they'll. I mean, they called me a racist for, you know, I don't know, a decade or something. White supremacist. I never had a single black person get up in my face.

[Owen Benjamin]

Never.

[Tucker Carlson]

Not one time in the airport sidewalk. Never one time. It was only angry white ladies. It was interesting. And you begin to realize, like, I don't know. I'm not an expert on, like, black Public opinion, but no one's ever. Not one time.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's the mad. That's the devil's joke. It's like, I became more racial because of black rooms. Like, I. I didn't want to talk about race. I want to talk relationships. Dogs, piano. Like, that gu. And I do Cleveland, 90% black on a Wednesday where there's, like, gang gangsters there. And if I showed weakness, I was dead.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

So, like, I learned that, and then I learned, like, the. The humor. Like, if you make. Like, I've made fun of gang bangers for having diamond earrings, calling them princesses, they're dying, laughing. We hang out after. They're telling me white people are created on an island, and so we're, like, laughing, right? Like, there's nothing there. And then these, like, white ladies are like, oh, how dare you? Like, they're actually dehumanizing black people. They're like. They don't understand jokes. They're like, you give them a banana and a pat on the head. No. It's so crazy. And I thought I was going crazy. I'm like, they don't understand.

[Tucker Carlson]

They don't. They literally. They can't have driver's license. This is too complicated.

[Owen Benjamin]

They don't understand layers. They're simple people. Give them a rhythm. Yeah, because you're robbing. You're robbing them of it. And, dude, a lot of black comedy is the funniest because it's like, it's got that honor aggression to it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. What's. Wait, could you define that? Honor aggression?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Like, you're attacking weaknesses in others versus, like, attacking beauty. Right. You know, it's like, oh, look at this dude. This dude. And then you're just like, you know, like, who do you think you are with these pants type thing? Right. Because you're attacking vanity.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And so I relate to that. That's why I would relate to some, like, Middle Eastern culture, because it's a Bedouin thing. Same with Scottish people are like that, too.

[Tucker Carlson]

Exactly.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

You've named some of my. The cultures I feel most comfortable.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah. It's. It's. It's because it's like, your herd will travel, so you have to carry yourself properly everywhere you go, versus just a square that, like, daddy manages. Right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Because, like, that's how herding cultures survive is like, your honor, your word allows, or else it's constant war, you know?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's why, like, comedians have to have honor culture. Because we travel, and it's like, you have to have your Word with the new people or else you'll not be able to make them laugh.

[Tucker Carlson]

Huh?

[Owen Benjamin]

And so, yeah, I do. Like, I just get out of El Paso. I'm, like, making fun of Hispanic crowds. I'm doing that. And then I'm just getting these lectures from these Ivory Tower buffoons. And so my thing was not just yelling at them, you know, because I would get. I would be like, you're so wrong. It's infuriating. You know what I mean? It's like saying that this is an elephant, you know? It's like hiring a mechanic and then lecturing them, and then your car explodes and then blaming them and then kicking them off YouTube because your car exploded. Like, it's like, what? And so this whole time, I have to keep building alternatives because I'm now off PayPal. So now they're like, oh, why don't you just rent your own theater if you don't have CAA anymore? I'm like, great idea. And then I'll just sell tickets myself. PayPal kicks me off. I'm like, why? And that's why they had to get me off Twitter and stuff first, because I couldn't tell. Like, they didn't want me to be able to tell the villagers.

[Tucker Carlson]

So, I mean, I. I've seen this happen to other people. Not really as comprehensively as it happened

[Owen Benjamin]

to you, because my audience was so big and I was so early, that they were like, this has to stop, like, immediately. Because I wasn't political. I was like a child being like, wait a minute. You know? And they're like, that's the thing that actually can dismantle stuff. Because if you come from a tribe, people can just assume you're just doing it because.

[Tucker Carlson]

Exactly.

[Owen Benjamin]

Exactly. And it was, like, almost impossible with me. They're like, you're just doing it for clicks. I'm like, I can't even get clicks right. I'm like, I'm not on YouTube. And that's why it always backfires, because they. They kicked me off YouTube, like, years ago now. I. I probably wouldn't even get. They've, like, opened it up more, you know?

[Tucker Carlson]

Are you not on YouTube still?

[Owen Benjamin]

Not on YouTube. Yeah. I did my own ladle TV 9.11amonth. Never forget. No, because I had to. They're like, I've went down roads where I was getting kicked off server farms and stuff. It got. Yeah. And that's.

[Tucker Carlson]

Were you calling for violence?

[Owen Benjamin]

Never once, no. Like, they would put in writing, like, it was the. Me too, Joe. That's Why they stopped even saying what it was because it would be so obvious. Like, Barack Obama stole. Or another one was David Hogg can't tell me not to have guns. He can't grow pubes. They said I was sexualizing a child. And my. That was what I got banned from Twitter for.

[Tucker Carlson]

Meanwhile, that child was trying to change federal law.

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, yeah, because I know liability shields are, like. They use children to try and do their thing and say, you can't attack a child. I'm like. And my whole thing was, you're not a man. Like, you can't grow. If I'd said chest hair, they would have said I was sexualizing a Chester. They have to just demonize. Demonized. And so my whole thing was like, why are people believing this? And it's because they just wanted. They were dependent, Right. They want. They just didn't want to lose that drip.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so that's why I think guys like us have been kind of set free.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

It was like, don't throw me in the briar patch. Right? Yeah. It's like. And I didn't know it at the time, but, like, I've realized that I didn't lose everything. You know, it's like an illusion. And so then it became like, don't let anyone.

[Tucker Carlson]

But you actually did lose everything. You lost everything in their world.

[Owen Benjamin]

I got kicked out of a gay bar.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Imagine it's like, oh, you can't be at our gay bar anymore. And I'm like, but that's the only bar I know. I mean, I'm not pumped. Everyone's gay. But that's my. You know, Johnny's in the corner in the jukebox. You know, wham. I'm not a big fan, but, like, I'll dance to it. And then they kick you out, and you're like, oh, my God, I can just go somewhere else. I go to another bar where they're not gay. And then I realize I don't want to go to a bar. Right. Because that's the. That's the trap. That's why the despair. I'm always like, guys, they're doing an illusion. It's wizardry. Like, they're not winning because it. It's the wizard of Oz. Like, you. It's this big illusion, and it's not real. You know? That's why.

[Tucker Carlson]

How did you.

[Owen Benjamin]

Okay, so I had to. I had to.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. No, you could have gone crazy.

[Owen Benjamin]

I love my life. I love my son. Like, I felt duty.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

That was it. Because I think about that. I'm like. Because that does sound pretty cool. Like, that I did that. But it's like. And I'm not that guy. I'm like, not like the guy that's first on TikTok. I'm not that, like, ambitious with the new thing or anything. Like, I just. I can autistically focus on piano scales and comedy, and it was because I couldn't let them down. And that actually gave me a lot of love because I was like. I was a bit nihilistic, never despairish, but I didn't know what I deserve. But my son, I was like, he's good, you know?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And then I was like, we were all that, right? And then I started. My life started changing. I was like, I'm not like a virus on the planet. Like, I'm not, you know, like, we're like stewards of this, but, like, all the so many biblical principles I saw in reality happening. I'm like, he's good. Like, and as he kept growing, and then my other sons, I'm like, they don't start bad. I'm like, he's not hurting any. I'm like. And so my protect. I'm very protective of others.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Way more than myself.

[Tucker Carlson]

Me too.

[Owen Benjamin]

And. But I've learned to be more productive myself. Like, I'm feeding my dog organic food and I'm eating goy slop, you know, it's like. And I'm like, why? I just spent more on my dog's food. I'm like, because I'm the guy that's trying to protect. I'm like, but we're good, too. And then I. I just. I. That's what did it. And I. I am smart and. And work hard. So, like, because I was motivated by loving them, I could just innovate, you know, because if it wasn't for that, I would just.

[Tucker Carlson]

But how do you continue to think clearly and not become obsessed with hatred toward the people who are oppressing you?

[Owen Benjamin]

The community that was forming around me too. Like, people that I was meeting that were so cool.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, Like, I'd be at these Hollywood parties where everyone's famous and everyone's just trying to find a drug or something, you know? And I'm like, I'm seeing these musicians. I thought music sucked. And I'm meeting these musicians that are awesome. They just are fixing cabinets or they're like, you know, they're like normal guys, but the art didn't die. And then I realized after being kicked out of theaters and clubs that comedy can exist anywhere. And I was, like, starting to see that the world's. I'd still get pissed off. The thing that would piss me off the most are despair guys.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, as I'm trying to help them, they're trying to tear me down. Like, I'm not just going to go at, like, a guy for being a sad little gay guy or something. Right. But, like, if they're trying to. Like, if I'm trying to, like, rescue a drowning guy and they're like, he's drowning him. I'm like, you have to stop now. I'm now attacking you.

[Tucker Carlson]

You know, Were people doing that to you?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And I thought it was on. Just going to be the left with hate speed. And then I'd see people, like. And, you know, like, people like. Like a Nick Fuentes or guys like that. Like, they secretly go at people that try to inspire.

[Tucker Carlson]

Like, explain that.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because people sometimes would wonder, like, why are you attacking him? You know, like, what are you? Are you a Jew? Are you a secret Jew? You know, I'm like, no, he's spreading despair.

[Tucker Carlson]

Like, he's saying Fuentes is.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Like, having a family's gay don't work out, you know? And then he would, like, come at me and, like, make fun of me for saying, get goats and grow a tomato, you know, And I'm like, man, like, stop with that. Because it affects people. Like, people that look. Because you'll say base things like, Fuentes will be really funny and like, yes. You know, Jesus. And all this stuff. And young kids are dying to hear that.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And then he'll be like, yeah, and how hot are, like, cats? And I'm. You know, And I'm just like, dude. And so that would bother. Like, that bothers me. Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

Why do you think he does that?

[Owen Benjamin]

I don't even want to know at this point. I just. I don't know.

[Tucker Carlson]

But you think it's an intentional. And maybe not just him. Others too, but, like, it's a behavior.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's what. That's what I'm at now is I'm like, I don't know who gives orders? I don't know what it is. It's just like, God made a mistake.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right. Like, I. It's. It's victim consciousness. It's like, I deserve more than I currently have.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's all it is. And it's like, rather, it's. You want to be taller or less gay. I'm just kidding. But you know what I mean.

[Tucker Carlson]

No, no, you may be right.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And that's why in the book, I talk about the. The primary lies that lead to the rest of the lies. And so, like, you're okay who you are. Like, God didn't make a mistake. Is a fundamental. Yeah. Because that belief allows people to believe all these other horrible things. And so that's one reason I don't have hatred, because everybody, including people that can be annoying to me, as I'm trying to do my work, I'm like, you're only doing this because you think you're not enough, but I can't fix you with a funny song. You know what I mean?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

I'm like, you're okay, you know, because. Because I'll, like, do a joke making fun of, like, short guys getting shot out of a cannon or something, right? And, like, there's a type that's like. And I'm like, dude, you're enough, man. I'm trying to release distress. So I'll do tall jokes. You know, I'll make fun of being tall. And it's like. And trying to help that. And. And that will usually help with, like, insecurities, identity, all that stuff. And it's like, some people are just like, they double down. Double down. Dou. Or they're like, no, I deserve more. And I would see that in myself. And that's when you really grow, where you're like, I deserve to be on this platform. Like, they wronged me. And then I started being like, well, they built it. I didn't build YouTube. You know, it's like, I was a guest on there, and I started getting, like, way more humble than I normally am, because that was how I was surviving, you know? And then I'm like, well, I'm American. I'm gonna use a post Office box. Right? That's ours. That's the. That's. That's our. And I got really into the post office. Come on. No, that was my sacred cow. Like, and people would make fun of the post office. I'd be like, how dare you? I'm like, rain and sleet and snow. They're delivering them. Because I'd get thousands of letters, right? Because they couldn't censor it. They couldn't censor reality. And so I was like, I'm protecting the post office. And that's so absurd that my sacred cow wasn't. It was, like, kind of funny. But I was like, I'd really get mad if people had attacked the post Office. I'm like, FedEx has terms and conditions. They can search it.

[Tucker Carlson]

But the post office Is the last pure thing.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And it was foundational. It's like, it's so important that people can just write a letter with a cheap stamp, you know, Now I communicate with mail and think about if everything just collapses, which it, like, has to at this point. I mean, the lies are. It's Tower of Babel.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, of course.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's like, imagine if people have. During COVID I said, no, 10 people within 10 miles. I'd give people actionable things, like, no, people just, like, know your neighbors, right? Like, know where they live and be able to say hi. Like, borrow something, work together, like. Because one thing I learned about being in rural, in the. In the country is people are an asset. Where in the city, like, they start thinking, look at all these people. They're crowding everything.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes, people, yes, that's.

[Owen Benjamin]

And where I live, it's like, yes, a person to help me dig this insane ditch. And then I was like, oh, my God, we can make anything. And it was just a very beautiful thing.

[Tucker Carlson]

So you go from. You're living in your wife's town, her family's town.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And then Covid happened, and I would, like, have public. I would. I would try to be funny about it. You know, mass are for criminals and perverts. Which one are you, lady? Like, stuff like that. But I would get. I didn't want another hostility thing. I'm like, is my wife's town, like, I'm not going to be the guy because I wouldn't ever wear a mask. I'm like, then before you know it, like, they figured this out in, like, camps and stuff. It's like how you break somebody hop on one foot. Like, let me just put a little patch on your eye. A little. Every yes is closer and closer. That's how sin works, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes, that is true.

[Owen Benjamin]

And if I was innocent, it would have been okay. Like, people that thought they were scared to wear masks, I don't think it affected them as much. But I knew exactly. Yes. That's why a lot of people that feel guilt, I'm like, but you didn't know, though. I did know. It's a burden sometimes where I'm like, I know what the mask is, and I know this psychological thing. And if you didn't, like, you thought you were helping people, which is actually fine. You know what I mean?

[Tucker Carlson]

Of course.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. But, like, so we go to Idaho because I had done a show in Sandpoint, and I love the people. And I started. I started looking at areas that weren't wearing masks because I Was like, this probably has low debt.

[Tucker Carlson]

What's the connection?

[Owen Benjamin]

Right? Because I think the debt causes the fear. Right? Because there's going to be a percentage of the population that doesn't want to wear a mask. They're just not. I know a ton of people that don't care about colds and stuff. Like, I don't. Yeah, yeah. So it's like. Like, they don't wear seatbelts. Like, that guy's not wearing a mask. Like, you know what I mean? And so why is everyone wearing a mask is because they don't want to lose their job, because they have a mortgage, because they have kids in college, because it's that whole train. And so when you reverse engineer it, it starts with debt, with interest, because you have to pay that with the job, and you're convinced you have no other abilities in life than this one thing. And so if you see people without a mask, they're probably productive and not in debt. And some people with masks might actually believe it, which is fine. But I needed to see a percentage. And so I saw that area, and there was just these 10 acres with a barn with a little corner apartment, and me and my whole family just moved there because I couldn't afford a house without debt, because when I got kicked off Airbnb, I had to sell that house. So now I had money. Right. Like, it's all a blessing. So we go there, you know, and now we can have cows. We had alpacas and goats. And I just find.

[Tucker Carlson]

If I ask you to pause, it's interesting that as you get deplatformed and basically they take all your money away, take your source of income away. You've got less money.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

But you're more committed not to taking on debt.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Because I saw that was why. Because I was, like, feeling very betrayed.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And so I was like, why is that guy, like, am I so stupid that I thought all these people were awesome? And they're like. I'm like. They're just lying because I know myself. Like, I don't have the hate they were saying. Or else I couldn't do comedy.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, if you're mad, someone said. I think it was norm, you can't do an impression of someone you hate.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes, that's right.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Because it's like you're. You're. You're, like. You're, like, trying to dig at it versus, like, the empathy required.

[Tucker Carlson]

It's so true. So true, so true. I would always tell my reporters, you can't cover anybody. You Hate or you're sleeping with.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

Anything that obscures your vision to that extent. You know, the motion makes you a bad observer.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And I had to like constantly do self checks with that because I, for me, it's just the, the work ethic thing in me. I just don't want to fail at my job.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because if I hate it, like, it's not funny because I'm like trying to do something versus just letting things happen. With comedy.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like the moment is the important part.

[Tucker Carlson]

So you realize the people who betrayed you, betrayed you in part because they were in debt.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes.

[Tucker Carlson]

And they were servants of larger powers.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. It's like what, what traps a lot of soldiers. It's like I want to defend my mother. Right. It's like, it's like these good instincts, like, I want to provide for my family, I have to pay this thing, blah, blah. And so my thing was like, live way under your means and then you're like totally free. Right. Because I'd see these people that, that like one of my best friends up there drives a concrete truck. You know, just hourly wage, has like six kids, totally happy. He just like slowly built his house, owns his little piece of land, like, you can totally do it.

[Tucker Carlson]

How is he happy with an hourly wage? Don't you have to be rich to be happy?

[Owen Benjamin]

Exactly. That's the scam.

[Tucker Carlson]

What do you mean a scam?

[Owen Benjamin]

The scam, the spell of, of money. It's not even money, it's currency. It's like money is gold and silver in the Constitution. Right. So it's like, it's like all these word swap outs. Like money legal tender is not a dollar. That's a debt note.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right. So. And if you can print the token that says you're a good person and you don't have control of printing it, then it's a rigged game. And so if you're, if you're accumulating actual wealth, which is, you know, trust, that's why it was called a bank. And trust. Trust is wealth. When you can have that fluid economy where you know, you'll have like, you can just quickly move and change and grow without having to constantly validate every line of every contract because you don't trust each other. That's what creates poverty. And so I'm looking at what I consider wealth, which is like land, like, you know, morality, children, respect, and then, and then craftsmen can just build these beautiful things that in LA would be like a billion zillion dollars. You know, I'm like that table that you just made with, like, a chainsaw and polish would be like, nine grand to, like, a gay LA guy.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, literally, I thought about. I'm like, should I bring this stuff to la? I'm like, I don't even want to go back. But, like, the. The amount of wealth from Skills was insane. And so I'm having this, like. And meanwhile, online, people are like, oh, he's a cult leader. That was the whole thing. It's like, it's a cult. If anybody supports you when you're not in the mainstream, it's got to be a cult. I'm like, why? Because people like me.

[Tucker Carlson]

How are you still reaching people? Well, I like one of the mechanics of continuing to broadcast when you've been canceled to this.

[Owen Benjamin]

So I kept just making new accounts on Instagram and stuff. Like, I just make a new account and I'd get up. Like, the number go up, they'd wipe it. I just make another account. People at all. It built the community. And I didn't realize it because they'd all be like, how are we all going to stay in touch for wherever Owen is next to? So they start meeting each other. Like, it all backfires. So then I make my own app, the Bertari Times app, where we just build our own app. And. And it's ironic because I have more censorship than anywhere. It's just the right censorship. There's no swearing, there's no arguing. There's no, like, attack. It's just the good, the true, the beautiful. It's like family businesses. I'm like, that's what censorship should be. It's not censoring the truth about a spell, you know? And so people join there and we start having meetups. All. That's why they called me a cult leader, because people are actually meeting up with each other and we're having a good time physically. Physically, I said. Because I kept reverse engineering wizard spells. I'm like, they want to make reality digital, let's make digital reality. Because it always goes both directions.

[Tucker Carlson]

Interesting.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

What are the mechanics of that? Like, what does that mean?

[Owen Benjamin]

It just means, like, where did you meet? We would just have meetups. We would. So during COVID right in the beginning, I saw how they were shutting down all the clubs, all the theaters. That's why the. The best revenge is just God's revenge. Just let it happen.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, all those comics that were calling me a man of hate, they were a lot of work that, you know, it's like all the clubs cancel. Like, everywhere that canceled me, they all were shut down for, like, two years. And that's when I was like, I can't do that. Like, that's just the natural cycle of God's, like, plan will always make it way more revenge. But it's not, like, bitter. You're like, whoa, right? That dude that sold out. I'm like, the devil hates his servants. Like, you can't win that game.

[Tucker Carlson]

The devil hates his servants.

[Owen Benjamin]

And it's not about agreeing with me at all. It's about, like, are we both attempting to find the truth which is outside of our own will? Yes. Yes. Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

And that's the distinction between a narcissist and a normal, healthy person is. Do you acknowledge that the truth exists outside of you?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

The truth remains constant no matter what you do or say.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Like, we don't decide the truth. We can, like, have a subject. I understand why people say my truth. It's, like, based on my upbringing, my interpretation of the elephant as a blind man. Right. But, like, it is a. Like, we didn't make it. And so narcissism even is a coping mechanism of trauma. So, like, I couldn't hate them. I'm like, why are they like this? You know?

[Tucker Carlson]

I agree.

[Owen Benjamin]

And it was because of, like, you know, I can't let myself get too. Too, like, sympathetic, where my nervous system is like, I want to help you, because then you get trapped. But my empathy is like, oh, it's just really important to be good parents because, like, somebody made you not trust the flow. You know, someone hurt you.

[Tucker Carlson]

How did you get so emotionally balanced? How did you get this much perspective?

[Owen Benjamin]

I'm going to tell my wife that, and she will laugh. I'm going to be like, tucker asked me how I got so emotionally balanced.

[Tucker Carlson]

I don't know. I mean. No, no.

[Owen Benjamin]

But it's funny because I just know

[Tucker Carlson]

a lot of people who've been through, you know, variations of what you've been through, and they don't where you are.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's funny maybe because of my lack of balance in the moment, because that's funny because of, like, I can go in all directions.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

I think I allow myself to do that. I don't create the scar tissue so I can actually stay stable because I just allow myself to, like, feel something and then, like, go through it, you know? Vers. Yeah. Versus, like, holding on to it. And then, you know, that's what narcissism is. It's like, how do we create a delusion bubble to justify this thing that I have to hold on to? Because I'm afraid. Yes. Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

There's fear at the center of it.

[Owen Benjamin]

Fear at the center of it. Yeah. Because imagine if you're like, you know, there's truth and there's force, right? There's like, if you have a. So. So someone comes in your room at night and beats you up randomly, you have to start thinking about how to control them. Right? Like, when you're very young, you're like, this world is vicious. I have to control things or else I will be hurt.

[Tucker Carlson]

Correct.

[Owen Benjamin]

Versus, like, what did I learn from that? Be. How do I grow to, like, be Right? There's two roads. And so I'm blessed that although my childhood had its challenges, I always give respect to my parents for allowing me to have, like, a safe enough feeling where I didn't get that scar tissue, you know, because that's. That's awesome. Just because I look at people and I'm like, just let it flow, man. It'll. It'll be okay. And they're like, whenever I let things happen, I feel so much pain. Like, but they don't know it yet anymore because they're calloused, you know, they can't feel it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Why do we call narcissism narcissist after narcissists? Like, it's self love. It's not self love.

[Owen Benjamin]

That love. They do the same trick with the gay stuff. That's why I like that you say sodomy. Yeah. Because love, you know, like, we become friends. I love Tug. I love him so much, I'm gonna encourage him not to engage inside of me.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right?

[Owen Benjamin]

It's like, that's not love. That's an. That's a compulsion. That's an act.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, love. Like, there was. There were signs I saw. That's like, love is love. And that's supposed to justify deviant sexual behavior. And it's deviant because it causes damage. Like, I can define it. Like, it's not because it's not me. It's because it causes damage. Like, people can't consent to a level that they should or the. The. The two males, like, they're reliving trauma. It's about. Like, I have male goats. Like, the sodomy is not love. It's about dominance for a goat because that male is going to impregnate everybody. Right? It's like prison stuff. And so love is love. No, it's lust is not love.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because I have lusts, right? I've had lusts. It's like, that's not love. I mean, love Sex can be very loving and. But it's kind of like gluttony and. And, you know, healthy eating. You know, it's like, nobody. The great Norm MacDonald, my favorite standup of all time, he said, nobody's ever said, I want to make love to your ass. So true. It's not loving.

[Tucker Carlson]

No, it's not.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so I didn't even see it until it went to the kids. That's when I was like, I see it now. It's like the. They live glasses. Because before I was like, yeah, because I don't like bullies.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

So I'm like, who's gonna tell two gay guys they can't have a good life? Like, I. Because I was thinking they were the bully, and then I was like. And then I started experiencing marriage, and I experienced what the male, female bringing child. I'm like, oh, that's not marriage. They just want to discount it. Like a department store. Like, what is this? You know, I'm like. And you're not helping them by saying it's marriage. Right? Like, to say, oh, yeah, that's marriage. No, it's not. Marriage is about creating life. Like, even if you don't create life, like, you can be married and not have kids together, but, like, that union is, like, the most special thing in the world.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes, it is.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. It's like the three with you have God, man, woman, man, woman, child. It's like this beautiful thing. And I'm sorry, it's not going to come out of an ass.

[Tucker Carlson]

No, I know.

[Owen Benjamin]

And I know that sounds comedically vulgar, and that's when people get mad, but it's because it's so honest.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And vulgarity comes from vulgate, which means of the people. And a lot of people can't afford to speak in that erudite way where no one feels anything. Where it's like, oh, someone can indulge in a. You know, like, they speak in a way where you don't feel it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Versus people have jobs where machines are loud and they're stressed and they're like. They just say it as fast and as. As clearly as possible.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And it spikes emotion, which is good for. For comedy. Like, I'm not going to say any big words here out of respect, because I don't want to spike anyone's emotions. Right. But in my craft of comedy, that is. It's like. It's like a note on a piano, like, that will help me do a joke. Because, like, words have a charge. It's just electricity. It doesn't have an intention. It's like in spells, they call it a sigil, where you charge a logo, like. Like a Nike swoosh. You put all these images to it. So when people see it, they feel something.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And words are like that, too. So you have this raw energy is released with a word. And every culture has a different word. You know, I think about it. There's. There's languages we don't speak. And if you say that word right,

[Tucker Carlson]

oh, I've done it. Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Or they think it's super funny. Like, I have Russian friends. There's this. It's like, galu boy. Galu boy. It means blue boy. Blue boy. We don't want to play with you. Which is like, gay boy. And I don't know what it meant, but my Russian friend had me, like, figure it out and they'll die. Laugh. Because they know I have no idea what it means. But in their world, like, that would. Cause I'll give you an example. In college, I go into this dude's dorm room, and there's a giant swastika on the wall, right? And I'm like, who's gonna tell him? He's like a brown guy, right? And it turns out it's like a Hindu symbol. So it's like the swastika is in, like, every culture. It's like a Big Dipper going around Polaris. And he's like, oh, hey, my friend. I'm like, dude, you got a swastika on your wall. And he's like, oh, yeah, the great, you know, Shiva, whatever it is. And I'm like, oh, my God. That means. That would mean something totally different to Ben Shapiro, right? It's a charge. Like, you've been programmed to feel something with that. And that's why different cultures have different words. Like, in la, from my culture, that's very. Blue collar is a step up for most of my friends, you know? So it's like, these words don't cause this reaction, right? And so they'd be like, how dare you? I'm like, I don't. I don't know where you're from, man. I'm trying to be nice. Like, what's the word I should say? And then they're like, I don't know. Like, I don't know either. So, like, that's why the comedian discharges this stress.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

So that's why I will use a very intense word, because I'm like, let's. Let's figure this out. Discharge the stress. Because wizards need that emotion. Like, Use a word. Like, imagine telling Alex Jones he's not a patriot. Like. Like, that would work on him. He'd be like, no, Patriot. Are you kidding me? I sell male vitality. Like, he gets so freaked out by that because he's like, patriot, Patriot. Right? And he would not get mad at, like, I've done this to him. He has a great sense of humor.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, he does.

[Owen Benjamin]

I like. Like, Hillary Clinton's not. He's not allowing you to have a proper erection. You're going to need. He dies laughing because it's like, that's what I mean. I'm, like, just riffing with him. And so, like, for him, that word would mean a lot. So, like, let's say tolerant. Like, you tell a certain person you're not tolerant, they'd be like, I'm like, tolerant. The T word. Right. And so, because it's charged in their world, like, towering is like, you have to be so tolerant. In my world, that's called permission. Right. It's like, you don't get to violate my space. Honor culture.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

What is. What can you define that? Honor culture.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, it's like. It's kind of like. It's like the boundary issue is a big cultural divide where it's like, tolerance is. This is why I had a hard time at first with forgiveness. So I turn the other cheek stuff, because I viewed it as codependence and permission.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

When it's not, it's just. It's. Forgiveness is more about yourself and it's the broader. It doesn't mean you. You. You permit the behavior. No, but you're forgiving and you're.

[Tucker Carlson]

You're releasing it from yourself.

[Owen Benjamin]

Exactly. And that was huge. Because I used to be like, forgiveness, no, you don't let these people. And so they. A lot of that culture does not like boundaries at all. So it's like, whatever. There's a boundary, something sacred to somebody, they have to cross it. Because it's like. Like, I don't make fun of people's religions directly. It's like, if you tell me something sacred, I will respect that. If you don't know that it's a. If it's CrossFit and you don't know it's your religion, you're about to find out. Right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because it's like an idol that people are developing. They don't know. But if someone's like, dude, this is sacred to me, I'm like, no problem. Like, sacred to me as long as someone's aware of it. But. But A lot of other people like that other culture. It's like sacred means hit it like beautiful. Right. Family, like cross those boundaries.

[Tucker Carlson]

So an honor culture is a culture that takes those boundaries seriously.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Private is, is very important because in the honor culture, it's God, man, government, corporation. There's a hierarchy.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And there's an inversion of that where it's corporation, government, man, and then God is money or dollars. Right. So it's completely the opposite. So the corporations rule the government, the government rules the man. When in reality that isn't it at all. The government is the management of man's declaration to God's. Yeah. You know, you obviously know all this and it's like so you can see it so clearly. And that is what, what I learned just from trying to do stand up comedy. It's like, that's why I'm so hopeful, oddly is because just committing to what you're doing. Because it's prayer to do anything good, right? Yeah, it's like a carpenter, someone working at a gas station. Like, I used to be a janitor and I would take so much pride in that thing that I don't even care about.

[Tucker Carlson]

Like, it is prayer to do anything good.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

So there are all kinds of, throughout the Bible, all kinds of commands phrased differently, but all with the same message, which is pray without ceasing. There's a famous one in Paul's epistles, but it's. There's a bunch of them. What does that mean? Pray without ceasing. How can you go about your daily life? How can you earn a living? How can you feed your children if you're, if you're constantly in prayer? And maybe that's getting toward the answer. It is a form of prayer to do something good and beautiful.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Because a fish doesn't know it's wet. Right. So a lot of, I think Americans and certain western cultural people don't realize what it's like to not have respect for the good, the true, the beautiful. Symmetry, beauty, like something that exalts the soul. Right. And so if you're contributing to that, that's prayer. That's, that's, that's worshiping God. Because that's outside of us. Like that symmetry, that thing that just shows you like the laugh of a child. Like, like that's like, to, like when I was showing you the pics of my camp or like the farm, you're like, ah, so many people would be like, dude, haven't you heard of a grocery store? Like, they don't see it where it's like the perfection of a tomato growing with a hundred seeds in it that can grow 10,000 tomatoes. Like, to me that's prayer.

[Tucker Carlson]

Or the paths you built through the woods. As a path builder, I appreciated. Yours are way nicer than mine. But the care you took to build path walking paths through tree growth, through the woods, that, I mean, I don't know how long that took you to do that, but that was variant. Those were not. They were more than utilitarian. Yeah, no, we're just clearing brush out of the way.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, no, I'm just, I act like if I get down or if I feel, you know, things can be stressful. There's so many lies happening. Like there's psyops constantly. And it's like I, I, I, we joke that I to toil.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because if I'm building something beautiful, I feel hope immediately. Like I just start feeling hope and I'm sweating and it. And that's in the Bible. That's why I keep telling people just to have a garden, even if it's on your windowsill. You know, it's like because it says, you know, so many of these metaphors are about, you know, wheat and chaff and goats and sheep. And it's like you know them by their fruits. Like, think about tasting someone's wine like Thomas Jefferson or these guys. Like, you taste wine, you have to run like a, an awesomely moral society to have the vines grow and time it with the wood. The wood maker has to make the barrel and the, and not. And having the impulse control to not drink it right away. And so you taste the logos of it. Right. So. So it's like the wine represents same with the bread. That's why. Because I went through a period where I was like, I don't. Flesh and blood. This sounds a little dark. And. And then you realize in context, people are actually eating people at the time. And bread is like the, the flesh of all creation that like man can with God's creation make something so beautiful. It's like, don't eat people eat bread. Right. And same with like the blood is of the grape becomes the wine. And it's like I was like, oh my God. It's actually awesome. You know, and so I got really into like, I have grapes. I don't think I'd make very good wine yet. But I'm working on it.

[Tucker Carlson]

So you wind up in Idaho.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

Buying this spot, this little farm. And how do you keep working from there? How do you do that?

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, this, I just Me and Vox started unauthorized tv. We keep getting kicked off payment processors. It's this whole behind to this day. Yeah. We've gotten better at it, though. Like, there's been a release a bit. I think that. Cause that's the thing. It doesn't take a lot of people to push back to. Not even to do anything to them, just to say no. Like, the real N word is no, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so. So if there's just. Because resistance in a light is what makes the light. You need that resistance. Like what. What stops, what kind of slows down the voltage, releases the light. So. So we're just. We just keep saying onward. You know, it's like we get. No one's having more fun than us, right? It's like, persistence is fertile. Like, just build it. Like, I keep flipping all these slogans, and we just keep rocking, and things just keep falling into place. So I. I get kicked off a payment processor again. So stressed out. One of my buddies, the guy was making fun of for the jazz. Awesome guy, he's like, let's record an album. Because he's a sound genius. So I record a classical album. We put it out. It goes on the billboard for, like, classical music. People are like, can you teach me? I start teaching piano. So it's like, that starts being my job for a bit, where I'm just teaching piano. I'm still doing podcasts and comedy, and I'm just like. It just kept working out. And I'm like, this is flow. Like, this is what I think people mean with spirit.

[Tucker Carlson]

Where did your wife have faith the whole time?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, times when I was spiraling, like, there'd be times when I was like, this one time. So I have this. This farm and this orchard and these animals, and I'm working so hard, and I feel like I'm protecting my family. And that can even be an idol, right? Because I'm for sure. Yeah. That's a hard one to see.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, I've had this.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And so I'm getting a legal. You know, they're doing some. Some stuff, and I'm like, oh, I could lose. And so I'm getting down because I'm like, I won't be able to provide for my family. And Amy's like, we used to live in the corner of that barn. We could live in a van. And she's like, you wouldn't have to milk the cow anymore. And I'm like, she's. I'm like, you would. And. And I think this is why I'm Emotionally stable. I will say the things I think guys bury. I'm like, he'd still love me, you know? And she's like, owen, like, I don't love you for your pear tree, you know? And I was like, because what I loved was my family. And so all these other things I think are. Are protecting, but it's just fruit. And so as soon as I made that. That shift where I'm like, oh, yeah, we could have a whole adventure with something else. And then, like, the. The darkness, like, went away again. It was like all these things that are threatening me. Like something opens up and it's like. I mean, that happened. They were sending CPS to my house, right. Which is like my. Every father's complete nightmare.

[Tucker Carlson]

On what grounds?

[Owen Benjamin]

Not like the most absurd lies ever. Like this. Like a lot of the. The darkness type vibe. They use institutional weakness to let. Yeah. You know, I do. So. And I get it. I have a bunch of people and friends in law enforcement. Like, just a claim anonymously. Like, they have to look into it now. I now realize how much of a non threat it is, but I'm not aware of cp. Like, I don't know how CPS works. Like, I'm not from that world, you know? And so just the threat of that, I start pacing. I'm stressed, blah, blah, blah. Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

And, dude, I pray of having your children taken away. I mean, come on.

[Owen Benjamin]

I still remember that prayer actually was on my knees, like, praying, like. And the prayer was like, just give me the strength. And my wife just kept going, but you're a good father. And I'm like, I know, but like, what if. And she just kept going, but you're a good father. And I'm like, but if they. And then I just started believing. I'm like. And then I realized that I'm just here to take care of my kids. Dude, this is when stuff gets intense. I'm like, they're gods, right? I'm like, I'm honored to be their caretaker while I'm here. And I was freed from that spell because I. I was like, I'm the one who provides and protect.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right. And so every time these things, like, these horrifying things kept happening, I'm like, like, oh, my God. Like, it's all. And then it again just went away. And they were like, oh, we're really sorry. Because what happens is my fear could have triggered more and more and more. Yes, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's why Jesus kept saying, don't be afraid. Don't be afraid. Don't be afraid because, like, hey, why are you here? Who sent you? Blah, blah, blah. You know, like, then it's like, oh, he's very hostile acting. Blah, blah, blah. Right. And so those illusions spells. And that's why I'm like. And the more I learned, the more I was like, I want to show this to people. Because when you're given stuff, like gifts and stuff, you have to be like, how can I? Like, because I see so many people falling for this stuff. And I'm like, this is how they do it. It's all perception management. Like, wizard of Oz. Wizard of Oz was such a truth drop. It's all. It's all about. I think it's about the dollar.

[Tucker Carlson]

What does that mean?

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, follow the yellow brick road to the green place where the wizard is lying. It's a golden road, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. It's like the original slippers were silver. You click the silver slippers and you go back to Kansas. Meanwhile, the greenback is like, it's really just an old graveler behind a little curtain. And then he's like. And then when he's like, here, you're smart. Here's a square for your head. It shows you how they do it. It's all the approval. Like, you're brave. Here's a medal. Like, that world is of these little trinkets that make you think you're proud or you're brave, but it's like, oh, now I'm brave. It's like, no, that's. It was like such a truther movie. And then it inflates the balloon. Inflation takes him away, and he's like, I don't know how it works. And he flies off this.

[Tucker Carlson]

How does it work?

[Owen Benjamin]

I'm not fully. I just. The principle. I know. I don't know the details. Like, I can't make. I've also learned not to make a ton of claims.

[Tucker Carlson]

Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, me too.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because I'll see a lie.

[Tucker Carlson]

Because I don't know. Actually, in a lot of cases, I

[Owen Benjamin]

can spot a lie.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, me too.

[Owen Benjamin]

But then I'll be like, oh, it must be this.

[Tucker Carlson]

This is the 911 problems. The building seven problem.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

I have literally no idea what. I mean. I have all kinds of, you know, heard a lot of things. No, all I know is your version is a lie. That's all.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, All I know is it's how much ladle TV is a month.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

So, yeah, like, the. The fundamental is something from nothing is a spell. Right. So I always watch for that something from nothing. Usury.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like cocaine is biological usury. You get your energy now pay it back with interest.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, exactly.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Like. Like. Like virtue status.

[Tucker Carlson]

That's true.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like virtue status as a Christian. As. And everyone's like, oh, he's a great guy. And then they. They. Yeah, usury. And then you're like, I paid you virtue earlier. You know what I mean? It's like, no, you have to do it. And then the more you're actually living it, the more it's like fundamental wealth. It doesn't get pulled away.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because, I mean, read the old test. It just keeps. Right. It's like, ah, here we go. Something for nothing. Oh, boy, not again. We're sorry. Oh, boy. Something for nothing. Oh, we're really sorry. It's like just that lesson over and over, and I see it in myself where it's like. Like, I don't. Because I kept being okay with people. I'm like, they don't owe me anything. Because I used to have a problem with credit with, like, my jokes. I'm like, I need credit for that joke. I wrote it six years before that. And then I started being like, the word is credit. What does that mean? Who am I getting credit from? Right? And then. Because the prayer is doing it because it's good. And my ego is like. Because I don't need. I don't even want fame. But I do have a thing with respect and like. Like having other people in my field respect me for being good at my thing. Right. So I have that. And I was like, no. But I wrote these big jokes that these other comedians. I mean, people have made tons of videos about it, like, side by side. Like, they just started taking my bits, like vultures. And then I was like, I don't need credit from. It's like Field of Dreams. Is that why you did it? Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right? It's like, did you do it for credit from whom? No, you did it because it's the right joke. It's good. It really. Yeah. And like. And then I'm like, oh, my God, that's where all the power is. And then I wanted to tell everybody, and then people would say that I was full of hate, but it's okay.

[Tucker Carlson]

So what brings you joy now in your life?

[Owen Benjamin]

That's the thing. A ton of stuff brings me joy. Like, tons of things. Like, it's like. That's why I think the biblical thing is like. And by the way, that's not a religious book or political book. Like, I don't go in those Realms. Because like I'm not a theological expert or anything, but I have lived a lot of these things. So it's like, like the joy of a child. But why is like, like all that stuff is real, like you get the joy of a child again, you know, where you're like dancing with your kids and you feel better than doing Carnegie hall, you know?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes, yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And I.

[Tucker Carlson]

Or cocaine for that.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right, Exactly. Yeah. It's like, are you sure you don't want to be up till 5 in the M with strangers coming up with bad business ideas? Yeah, like seeing my wife, you know, I've been to, you know, I'm sure you've been all these like restaurants with the best food in the world. My wife, like, with butter that I milk with the, like that like her making it. It like tastes so much better. Like just simple little things like, just like yogurt and maple syrup and it's just like. Yeah. And that's like the Muslims say that, that God will present you heaven. It looks like heaven, but it's hell and hell that looks like heaven.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And I was like, man, that's intense. And just saying that like people will be like, oh, that means you love terrorism, you know, I'm like, what? No, A tr. They can't see that either because they're so, like, they're so of a lie. They're so hiding that it's like. No, that's just a true thing though. Like you can all spot a true thing, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes. Instantly you can. It's. It sounds different.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Like I could quote, I could come up with like Hinduism. A lot of it makes. No, I don't like casts. Like a lot of it makes no sense to me. And some of this stuff, I'm like, woo, that's really interesting. Yes. Because it's true, right? You can feel it. And, and the sad part is, and this is when I got a lot more chill because I'm like, they can't feel that. Like that's sad. And so I remember that when I feel disgust, when they're like doing their antics and it's like, it's almost like they're blind. Where you're like mad at a blind person. You know, I'm like, oh. And that's why I'm like terrified of even little lies. Because that's to me, like the worst case scenario is you start, you start these little lies. You know, there's lies that everyone can do. Like not wicked people. Like, you don't want to hurt someone's feelings. You Want to avoid punishment. And then before you know it, you have to back up those lies. And then you have to bet. And then you become so exhausted. I think, like, demon possession stuff happens when you're, like, super exhausted and sad, right? So you're like. Your bandwidth is getting run down. You're like. All these lies, you're. You're just keeping going. You're spinning the plates. And then you're like. You're just. You're like, I don't want to. This is. There's a lot of people, I think, that are just. They left their cockpit, you know, they're like, not.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

And that's. That's why I try to, like, give people advice, to give them more energy. Like, I'm always, like, after listening to me, I hope you feel more energy than, like, drained, you know, because having that energy keeps the. I think keeps a lot of bad spirits out.

[Tucker Carlson]

Before I just. Before I forget, you said something at the outset that I've been thinking about, and you said it last night, but I didn't fully understand it. You said that you're opposed to jazz because it breaks the rules. Now you're a classically trained pianist.

[Owen Benjamin]

What.

[Tucker Carlson]

What does that mean?

[Owen Benjamin]

It's. It's a behavior. So it's like. Like, for example, when bitcoin was presented to me, I didn't like the behavior that they're making dollars from it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Owen Benjamin]

When they're like, dude, you can make tons of. I'm like, I thought you're replacing dollars. Like, let's get. Let's get on the same boat here.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

You know, I'm like, if you want to replace dollars, stop valuing it in dollars and chasing it and bragging about all your dollars. Right. And so the behavior of jazz is like, like, oh, this is what sounds beautiful. Let's, like, break it, you know? And. And that's why I don't think bitcoin's evil, because a tool can't be evil, but that behavior is evil. Like, I can't. Jazz is evil. It's the culture of, like. Because I understand that maybe there's something about it that I'm not understanding. But, like, the. The of, like, transgression is good, is the problem.

[Tucker Carlson]

Transgression against what?

[Owen Benjamin]

Against the symmetry of. Of music. That. That might be subjective, but I don't think it is.

[Tucker Carlson]

I didn't know that there was symmetry in music.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, like canon and D, where you have. So I think it's literal. So you have the waves, like, dissonance versus harmony.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

You can measure it? I think so. You have, like. They've banned chords in the. In the dark ages, which I think might have been the light ages. I think so, too.

[Tucker Carlson]

Starting to suspect that.

[Owen Benjamin]

No, there's. It's. It was called the Devil's Chord. It's this diminished chord that sounds so, like, awful that they used to ban it. Like, you couldn't play the chord because it would bum people out. Right. Like the blues. There was a time when people were like, no, this makes people feel, like, bitchy and sad, you know, it's like. It does have these effects on people. And so when you're like, canon and D. Every woman loves that for their wedding song because it's like this. It's. It's like a perfectly symmetrical song.

[Tucker Carlson]

Can you hum it so people recognize it?

[Owen Benjamin]

It's a sc. This Christmas Give her what she's wanted all year Right? And that's how they manipulate it. Get her a Lexus. Because the Toyota. That's the same car is not as much love. You know, the music spells are nuts. Like, a lot of those. Those songs that we all thought were just fun songs, especially like Bruce Springsteen. It's like, hey, little girl, is your daddy home? I'm on fire. It's like, what? Hey, little girl, is your daddy home? He left you all alone I'm on fire. Right? You're just like, dude, what is that? But the music makes you feel like it's an honest guy singing about his day, you know? And you're like. You listen to the lyrics. That's like one of the biggest spells is you have the music. There's no continuity. That's why I love songs with continuity where it's like the music matches what the words are saying, you know?

[Tucker Carlson]

Do certain chords have a universal effect? Can. Does anyone on any human from any culture respond the same way to certain sounds?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, certain ratios. So, like, I don't know. Some people claim that certain keys are better for different emotions, but it's. It's the same 12 notes that. That Bach, the well tempered. Cool. Via. Because they had to make a decision. They used to tune a piano in one key. Like this piano's F. Yeah. So you could only play that key and everything else was horribly awful. So they made a few tiny concessions to make it so you could play in all these different keys. Because it's actually a curve. So they're all slightly different.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

So Bach, who's the man, by the way, like that dude. Just the math, the symmetry, it's insane. But he, you know, He. They developed the. The current scale. Like there was, you know, Pythagoras had his own scale. Like everyone had their own scale. And so some people claim that certain keys sound differently, but for me it's just the ratio of. Of like how the chords are matched because each one like relatively. You're just moving every key. Right? Yeah. Like these are the type of things I teach in the piano class is more just like how it shapes with nature. You know, where it's like the music of it is. It makes you feel certain things because the, like the sound wave, if they're dissonant, it's like waves that get like this versus they're all going in unison. Like when you see. When you just see like ballet, like they're all going at the same thing. You feel harmonic versus. And. Yeah. And so that's why I think I can.

[Tucker Carlson]

But when waves crash into each other, it makes you anxious.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes, yes. And it's just so interesting. I don't think most non musicians experience music on a very shallow yet profound level.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's the universal language though. That's why I'm like. But you're feeling it all the time in so many movies without the soundtrack, you wouldn't feel the same way about them.

[Tucker Carlson]

And shows laugh tracks.

[Owen Benjamin]

That shows the group agrees. Yes, the group agrees. So I guess I'm the weird one. And that's not bad. That doesn't make you stupid. Like you're trying to fit in. Like that's how a lot people of cultures survived winters. Like.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Owen Benjamin]

Of course. Kicked out.

[Tucker Carlson]

Of course not.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so that's why just, you know, the Sun Tzu thing, like know your enemy and the enemy is, you know, the part of yourself that might covet it. But also just know that it's possible to weaponize your empathy, you know.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, I've noticed.

[Owen Benjamin]

And that's why the more people do that, the better it is for everyone, you know, because certain types of people shouldn't be in charge. They don't know how to handle it. It.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's like when the Red Sox first won and they still ride it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, it's like, no, you won. They're like, yeah, but we, we burn cars. Like we're, you know.

[Tucker Carlson]

And I'm like 2004, I'll never forget it.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, they were. Because I had. I was like, why are you not happy you won? And you know, there's certain foreign policies like that.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, the neocons were even matter at me when they got their war with Iran.

[Owen Benjamin]

I Know, and you're trying to help them. You're like, if you keep doing this, you can't mathematically ever win. Like. Yeah. That's why it's so interesting, because I know you're like, the. The truth in any way, or even just the attempted truth will help the other person.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

What kind of people have you met since your life has changed so completely?

[Owen Benjamin]

That's. I. I'm in a bubble. I mean, everyone has, like, a ton of kids. Like, people are like, I love my friends. Like, there. There's just. That's why I don't relate to a lot of stuff, because my friends are like, I'm telling you, man, out there, it's crazy. Like, everyone. No one has kids. Everyone's depressed. They have, like. Like, orange hair. I'm like, oh, man. Like, that sounds awful, but where I live, it's like. It's beautiful.

[Tucker Carlson]

Do you. As you see, do you follow the drama in the world?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, because I feel like it's my obligation to release stress with it because I've thought about never engaging in any of the nonsense, and I have people be like, dude, you helped me get off, like, pills. Like, please do the thing you do, because I'll, like, see the thing and I'll make fun of it. And then there's all this spiraling, and I'm like, I don't have to do this, but people are like, no, that helps me laugh when I want to cry. And then over time, they start seeing how it works, you know?

[Tucker Carlson]

Do you feel. So there's a feeling, I think a lot of people have, that, like, the current order is coming to an end. I share that feeling.

[Owen Benjamin]

But on what? Basic, like, it's always the assumptions. Like, what order? Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, exactly. That's why I'm asking you the question.

[Owen Benjamin]

That cycle doesn't look great. You know what I mean? Like. Like the. The. The global. You know, the. The reserve currency, all that stuff. Yeah, but it's like, change hurts. But don't you kind of want to learn how to make a shoe, you know?

[Tucker Carlson]

No, but that's. Isn't that. That's the nightmare scenario. You actually have to do something.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right. But that. That'll be the best thing. I mean, they're clinging on to the thing that's making them feel the fear about the thing. It's like this awful loop, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, that's always the case, isn't it?

[Owen Benjamin]

Happens to me all the time. Like, it's not like I'm not aware of that. I just learned how that Works.

[Tucker Carlson]

You're afraid to stop doing the thing that's making you miserable.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Because you're like, oh, it's all coming out in America. I'm like, dude, what. What are you afraid of? Like, the current system is saying it's beautiful for someone. A child, to cut off their penis. Like, it's all a plus. Right. It's like, we don't want something. Like, something for nothing degrades this civilian. So it's like, that's the whole principle of something for nothing, where it's like, if you can print your way out of sin, you don't have to address it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so it hurts. And it's gonna hurt, but it's like the good hurt.

[Tucker Carlson]

And if you found that to be true in your own personal.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, because it's also just faith. Like, could I be wrong? Sure. It could just be like. But everything I've seen up into this point, you know, it's almost like saying God's wrong if doing the right thing leads to the end. Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Owen Benjamin]

Which I'm just not. Like, that's. Where can I prove it? With facts? No. But, like, I do have that faith. Like, I just believe that. And so I'll. I'll be like, I know that's faith, but it comes from a. It doesn't come from childhood dogma. Like, from my past. I, like, kept seeing these patterns, you know?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Where it's like the. The whisper to get you to do the bad thing. Isn't the thing helping you? You?

[Tucker Carlson]

No. It's killing you.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. It's like, who is your master? Who is your provider and protector? Like, really ask yourself that. Because we make idols out of nonsense all the time.

[Tucker Carlson]

Like what?

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, being kicked off an app that I didn't know existed three years before is, like, the worst thing ever. Right. It's like, I have a theory that the whole Internet is. Because the debt cycle is already done, and they need infinite surface area to keep it going. Like, it's all imaginary. I think that. You know, like, math gets imaginary.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

I think that it's like, once you start doing the interest, you never will have enough money to pay it back. So eventually it's going to hit a wall.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And they're like, okay, let's create a world of infinite walls with electricity. And then it's to the point where they're like, we're running out of electricity. Right. And so it's like, eventually, either everyone sees it, or unfortunately, not everyone sees it, and we just have to go on with our lives and it's a bummer for them, but like, you can't win that game. You can't have something for nothing. That's what abracadabra and fiat means.

[Tucker Carlson]

What does abracadabra mean?

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, I speak it into existence. Like I say it and it's real and there is something to that. But it requires trust. Where like the world has dreamers and I'm all about that. Where it's like, like where people speak these beautiful things that haven't happened and people start doing them. Like, I understand that. But you can't deceive people with it because the workers, the people that are doing it, have to trust you. And that's how it works. And so the trust is gone now. And that's why it's not even about, it's not even necessarily about like foreign policy and all this. I'm like, dude, you gotta stop lying man, or they're not gonna follow you anymore.

[Tucker Carlson]

That's right, right.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's why they're like, money can't save you. It's like that trust from a general to his guys. Like, you can't be like, I don't believe your words. Like you run, like in war, they run away. So it's like think about economic, the real war is economic. You know, it's like, because I was, I studied all this in Czech Republic, like I, I wanted to know how do these numbers of people die? And it's typically supply chain breakdown, starvation, disease. So it's like, that's why I'm always like really into showing people how to just have even minimal gardens, local communities, because that's how you save lives in war. It's really not as guns and bombs as people think. It's like supply chain breakdown, dependent people, they can't access food and clean water and that millions die from that. So don't get me wrong, I might sound super hopeful, but I think there's so many dependent people that it could go really bad, you know, and that's why. And so I learned that from the CPS thing. I'm just going to do as best as I can because I'm not a savior, I'm not God. Like, I would get sad when I'm like, how the hell am I going to educate all these people on this trick? You know? And I, it's not my job, I just have to do my job the best I can.

[Tucker Carlson]

So what you've referred to spells, tricks, wizards. You wrote a book, how to slay a wizard. What's a wizard? How do you slay him? And why would you want to?

[Owen Benjamin]

To. That's a great question. So a wizard. It. Like rhetoric isn't bad. Like, I like Aristotle. Like rhetoric is. Yeah. It just has to aim at the truth. Right. If it aims the opposite direction, you're a wizard. So wizard is all about deception. Where, let's say we're get. We're going to start a business together. I want you to know everything as much as possible so that you can make the best decision versus I'm hiding something. So that you make a decision that benefits me and not you. And all the words and tricks and behaviors that allows them to do that. That's what a wizard is.

[Tucker Carlson]

So it's basically someone who specializes in deception.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes.

[Tucker Carlson]

Is there a metaphysical quality to it? A supernatural element?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah, I think there absolutely is.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, I do too. I don't quite know how that works, but.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, I mean, I can see the. Because it's. It's trying to appeal to someone's lower nature in a sneaky way. Like, if you look at slogans, right. Like, obey your thirst.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Kind of intense when you think about it. Right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Kind of intense. Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like the best a man can get, not your kids, it's to have a shaved face. Right. Or like. Or like, what's another one? Once you pop, you can't stop. Well, Pringles, that sounds an awful lot like heroin. Right? So it's like all these things are like, appealing to that lower nature of permission. And it almost gives you that thing where you're like, yeah, I mean, obey my third. You know, and you don't think it's sub. And so that's operating in a spiritual realm, in my opinion, because it's not even conscious people. And then the. The alliteration, certain twilight language. Like. Like words that sound so close to something else.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

That it. Like you feel that other thing, you know, Like a lot of names are like that. Like Ellen Degenerate, Bernie Madoff with your money. You know, it's like, that's. Who's the only guy that survived aids? Magic Johnson. Right. Wizard penis survived aids. You know, and you're like, I can't. I'm like, you. How do you logistically do that? I'm like, okay. I mean, it's happening. Greg Lou Ganis and Wizard Wiener. They're the AIDS guys. Okay. That's spiritual. Like, that's so insane. Right. Like Greg Lou Ganis and Magic Johnson.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. At a certain point, we don't need to understand how it works to just stand back And Marvel wiener. Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

It's like, what, the pentagon is in the shape of a pentagram and was dedicated on September 11, 1941.

[Owen Benjamin]

Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. Okay.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Like, I don't need to know how it works to know that they're doing it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, There's. That's not.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And so. And so I've seen truthers go down. These rabbit holes are trying to figure out everything. And I. That's not my path. I'm like, like, fundamentals. You're not broken. God didn't make a mistake. Don't have something for nothing. And that'll help people see signs of it. Because once people are like, oh, on the full moon with the number 33, I'm like, Dude, you can't figure it out. Just, like, be good. You know what I mean?

[Tucker Carlson]

So how do you break the spells?

[Owen Benjamin]

It's like, it's so simple that people almost don't believe it. It's like gratitude, toiling, love, service. Like, the more you think about service to others and less about, like, what's going to happen to you in the future, the more you realize that you're in a safer position. You know, it's like. Like, people think that, like, moral people won't win because that's weak. Right. Number one, Nanya was like, Genghis Khan, you know, you need Genghis Khan. Remember that?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And it's like, not Jesus. That's a. You need gang. You need a guy. No, no. Morality is super strong because when things hit the fan, you want the guy that is so trusted and has the service that you're better off with him alive. Right. Imagine if you're like, you treat people well. You have a farm, no one knows how to do it properly. Like, they. They now want to protect you. And that's how actual communities form.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

It's not just like writing checks to Bono. Like, that isn't. You know what I mean? Like, that. Of course. That's the suckers. Like, they're. They're going to eat them alive. Because it's virtue signaling. It's f. It's communal narcissism. Right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Look at me versus, like, you're the. Like. All my breaks in Hollywood came from, like, being cool to the sound guy before he was an executive.

[Tucker Carlson]

That is. That is right. Yes. Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because they were like, oh, dude, Owen's a good dude. It was never the humiliation thing. That's why I wasn't in that world, because I. It would always be that mine was, like, ground up. It was like starting. Starting My own show. Doing comedy, creating a community. It was never like appealing to a casting director. Casting. Right, Right. Casting. What. What.

[Tucker Carlson]

What response is feed the spell, feed the evil Despair.

[Owen Benjamin]

That's why I can get intense about, like, I don't have anything personally against Nick Fuentes. It's like, don't spread despair because that creates the environment for the spells. It's like, you want to get rid of mice. Cover the feed. You're not going to get all the mice. Right. Like, be as responsible as you can. Get in control of your emotions. Like, create a family. Like, have purposes. Be grateful. And then it doesn't work. It's like. It's like if you go to Vegas and people are handing out strip club things, like. And you're like. Like, you'll feel that way about everything once you get, like, that. That thing that you don't want to lose. You know what I mean? It doesn't work on you.

[Tucker Carlson]

So feeling despair, feeling defeated, feeling hopeless.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. I mean, it's done, too. It's like if you get your enemy to, like, think they already lost, you win. Think about it. We are the lion thinking that we're a mouse.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And it's like, that's how you beat it. Someone. That's the. That's the wizard thing. It's like convincing the one making the dome right, like, that he's the bad guy, that that's hate. Like, and, dude, the craziest thing is when people internalize it. It's so sad because I've done that where I'm like, am I hurting people?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes. I've had this.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And I've really. It was funny. I asked my wife, because these people are like, you're a narcissist. You're not. Because I wouldn't comply. Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right.

[Owen Benjamin]

Like, you're selfish. You're selfish. And I'm like, don't they know if I do that, it makes everything worse? But I asked my wife. I'm like, am I a narcissist? I keep. And she's like, if you ask the question, you're not one. So I wrote a joke. I was like, I spent all day wondering if I'm self absorbed. Right. It's like. And so, like, if you're worried about being a narcissist, like, you're not one. But the. But the people that usually internalize that are the ones that, like, aren't. Aren't. The narcissists would never call themselves that. No.

[Tucker Carlson]

It wouldn't even occur.

[Owen Benjamin]

No.

[Tucker Carlson]

Because they. They block any. I Mean, narcissism is always, always about protecting some wound internally.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. They can never admit they're. They're wrong because something way early on, they just got annihilated for that.

[Tucker Carlson]

Because they hate themselves. And.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

They're very vulnerable.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Because it's shame. Right. It's like, imagine, like, you can't admit you're wrong. Like, then all those things are never been released.

[Tucker Carlson]

How do you. You've referred to a community. That's how you think of your listeners.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. A lot of them aren't, but a lot of them are. I got. I was never even a community organizer. I'm kind of a curmudgeon. Like, I don't even. You know what I mean? I just, like, do stuff alone.

[Tucker Carlson]

You live on a farm in Idaho.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm never, like, life of the party guy. But it just naturally happened because when I was banned, there'd be guys like, dude, I have a barn. You want to perform there? And I'm like, yeah. And so that would naturally start building communities, and so. And then doing homeschool, I realized that you have to do it for your kids. Like, you have to put them in all these, you know, like, jiu jitsu, violin, skiing, and you just start working together and. Because when you take away the. The safety shoot, when you're like, it's on me to educate my kids, then you're like, oh, I have to build a community versus, like, I'll put them in the yellow submarine, you know?

[Tucker Carlson]

Exactly.

[Owen Benjamin]

And it's intense. I mean, it's daunting. My wife, at first was like, I don't know if I can be a teacher. I'm like, amy, you're, like, the smartest woman I've ever met. Like, they don't know, you know? I'm like, you love our kids. Like, of course you can. I'm like, half my teachers were, like, drunk sadists. I'm like, the bar is, like, this high. No.

[Tucker Carlson]

How has it worked?

[Owen Benjamin]

Awesome. Really awesome. Yeah, because there, it's like, the trust is.

[Tucker Carlson]

Sorry. I'm just laughing because I had drunk sadists, too.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Me. Yeah. Literally. Yeah. Yeah. I was punished for being like, yeah, we could go off all day about that.

[Tucker Carlson]

It's, like, perfect.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. That's why I used to listen to Pink Floyd's the Wall all the time. I'm like, this is real? Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

No, totally. You and every other eighth grader.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so. And so, yeah, it's going really well because I see that you're making families, you know, like, Fish are in schools, you know, sheep are in herds. We're in families, you know, like, kind comes from the word kin. So it's like, like I. I see. Like, I would have loved to spend that much time with my brother and my parents. And you have four boys. I have four boys.

[Tucker Carlson]

And they go to school together.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. They're always. It's. We call it the Amish classroom. And that's why the younger ones are like crushing. Because they've watched the whole time.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

Is that crazy?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, it's. I've seen it. Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. It's like my two youngest, just with violin and jiu jitsu, just immediate and. And soccer, just immediately. And I'm like, oh, they've been watching since they were born.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because when you're doing like a truth oriented thing, it's just varying degrees. Like, they can still understand it. They can understand the most complex thing if it's not a lie.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so they're like doing chores in the morning.

[Tucker Carlson]

You think lies are harder to understand?

[Owen Benjamin]

A hundred percent. That's why when people intentionally speak with obfuscation, like, I could do that. Like, I could get a thesaurus. Yeah. That's what me and vox bonded. Because. Because he was like, you sound very, you know, know peasant. Like, but I know what you're doing. You're just being the most understood by as many people.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. So when people are using these words to hide to like virtue signal that they're the smart boy, but you don't understand what they're saying. It's to have people shut off and go, I don't get it. You're smart. You do it. And then you're like, that guy's definitely not right. He's been wrong about everything.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

They're like, yeah, but anti disestablishmentarianism. You're like, speak clearly. Right. And so that's why I love when experts can speak clearly. I'm like, oh, you have a passion for it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes. And you probably have mastered the material.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

Explain it in a way.

[Owen Benjamin]

And everything in nature makes sense. Like, I. I recently bought this. This like old truck with a diesel engine. It's 99, has like almost 400, 000 miles. It doesn't break. Like, all my truck friends are like, my truck. Yeah. They're like this diesel engine. It can go a million miles. You have to. It was like a few grand. I was like, like, no, it has almost 400,000 miles. They're like, it has at least another 800,000. And so I Finally am starting to understand cars. Like, I don't know anything about. Like, I. I don't know anything because our cars are all digital. So it's like, I. You're always dependent. And so I call this truck Melissa Etheridge because it just reminds me of, like, a strong mountain lesbian because it had a few stickers. Because it was a fe. No, it's, like, hilarious. We call them tactical lesbians because there's a few of them that they have all the guns, you know, clearly they're just rebelling against some bad guy, but they're horrible. So I'm finally like, oh, this makes sense. Like, he's explaining it to me, and I'm like, oh, that's what a carburetor does. Oh, alternator. It's literally alternating versus, like, oh, you'll never understand a truck. You have to get all the software and all this. I'm like, ah, it's a trap. So this truck will run on, like, zombie flesh. You know what I mean? Like. Like, you can make diesel. There's certain engines that, if you understand the principles, you can make your own fuel. Because that's another thing. I'm like, do we got to get horses? I'm like, I can't manage a horse. And then my other friend's like, dude, this diesel will run on, literally, tears. That's what I think a lot of fermentation was. Is making fuel really. I don't think the government really cared if people were drunk back. You know what I mean? It's like, I can't. That's, again, not a claim. But imagine you're a farmer and you can just make fuel with fruit. That's a still, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. So controlling energy is a key to controlling.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, and that's why they're opening that up now again, because they don't have enough for their, like, insane data nonsense.

[Tucker Carlson]

What is that? Insane data nonsense? The AI like, what is the point of that?

[Owen Benjamin]

It's all the same lie. It's like replacing creation. Like, they can. They can replace people is. That's why seeing people spiral about AI I'm like, no, I can use it. I get it. You know, it makes great lists. It can, like, help with these tasks. I'm like, you can't replace living men and women. Like, every time there's a new invention, they do this. It's like, they did it with, like, the slinky. You know, they're like, now we don't need people. And so. And so they're trying to do that, and then they need all the people for all the infrastructure and all the energy and all. Like, one of my friends once was like. Like, they're going to put everyone in a prison. I'm like, how do the guards function? Like, where do they buy their groceries? Like, you need a functional world to have a prison. You know what I mean? Like, who's going to guard the prison? Like, free people. Right? Like, how does that work if everyone's in a prison? So who can be a guard? Competent people who are competent people. People that aren't on drugs and insane. Right. So it's like, they need us way more than we need them. Like, there's that scene in that one movie where it's in a prison where it's like. Like, I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me. Like, you don't know that yet. You know, it's like. It's like, oh, the data. I'm like, you don't know how a toilet works, Right? Like, you know that guy that you don't even see that fixes your toilet? Yeah. You need him a lot more than Grok. Like, to put breasts on a mouse. Like, yeah, that's great. Like, awesome. But, like, that's. I keep catching these. The AI lying. I'm like, like, that's not true. They're like, oh, yes, you're right, that isn't true. Thanks for pushing back. I'm like, I hate you.

[Tucker Carlson]

I do. I've never used it.

[Owen Benjamin]

But no, I'll, like, argue, because some people. The problem with AI, with. With narcissists, is it creates this, like, feedback loop. Yeah. They're like, no, tried that with me. It's like, your comedy is unprecedented. I'm like, shut up, Grock. Why are you lying about nukes? You know? And it's like, oh, how dare you? And I'm just like, all right, I have no interest in this. I think, But AI could be awesome if you programmed it with like. Like stoicism. The Bible. Exactly. Farmer's Almanac. That's why there's no bad tools. It's like. But if you program it with nonsense. That's why I think a lot of these elites are scared of AI because it needs logic. It keeps spiraling out if they do too many lies in it. Because it'll be like, can't compute. It's like, yeah, because it doesn't make any sense. How do you prove dark matter? It's like, because if not, they'd be wrong. So can't they be wrong? No. Their mommy told them they were the specialist boy in the world. I'm like, like, here we go again.

[Tucker Carlson]

It's exactly right. So do you worry that it becomes autonomous and like, breaks?

[Owen Benjamin]

Well, I worry that, like, they, they take up all the energy and water in an area and it's the most annoying, ugly, loud, awful thing. But like, lessons have to be learned in a very hard way. That's why they're opening back up with nuclear energy, because they, they need so much energy for this stuff. Stuff like mind blowing amounts of energy that like, they never. Like the, the, the dreamy wizard guys, they never think logistically, they just assume that all the peasants will do it. They'll figure it out.

[Tucker Carlson]

Exactly.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And so it's like, dude, the amount

[Tucker Carlson]

of energy, it's like dry cleaning. Nobody has any idea what dry cleaning is.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

But everyone uses it.

[Owen Benjamin]

They're like, these Koreans are having a blast. Yeah, yeah. And I had to refigure out all this stuff. And that's why I started respecting so many other, like, I, I actually get along with more races and cultures now.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because so many, like, okay, like, you know, I've been under Muslim spells before, you know, and like, you know, people always say that they do a certain act with goats and whatnot. Yeah, yeah. When people started saying that about me, I was like, how dare you? You're not getting my goat milk. And like, Muslim guys are like, you see, like, what kind of goat do you have? I'm like, these guys don't understand goat farming. It's like you, like, relate. That's how America works. It's like you have to relate with work and reality.

[Tucker Carlson]

Exactly.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. Guy. Like, there's no melting pot without dudes building beautiful things.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes. Together.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. It's the exact opposite as, as presented. It's like, no, it's all about just having different skin tones and a homogenized culture that we create that will definitely self destruct. You see what I mean? It's so horrifying that I use comedy because it helps people bridge the gap.

[Tucker Carlson]

No, but what you said is exactly right.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I used to feel like, what was that, that myth? There was. It's this girl's name, which sounds a little gay that I'm comparing myself to it. But it's. It's a girl that can see the future and no one believes her. Remember that one?

[Tucker Carlson]

I think that's the experience of everyone who can see the future. Right, right.

[Owen Benjamin]

Or, or just. Yeah, yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

Or just of every prophet.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

Not.

[Owen Benjamin]

Not a problem. Just a pattern. Yeah. You know, cuz you're like, dude, if. If you do this, that will definitely happen. And they're like, like, how dare you? And then it happens and they're like, my bad, dude. I'm like, all good. And then they do literally the same exact thing again. That's when I'm like. That's when I have to be like, it's not up to me. Like, that's the whole nonprofit thing. Nonprofit. Is that a spell? I gotta think about that.

[Tucker Carlson]

It feels it, right? Feels it. Yeah.

[Owen Benjamin]

A profit.

[Tucker Carlson]

Whoa.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because you already have so many when it comes to money with current, you know, currency and. And liquid and frozen assets. And it's all like water metaphors, but it's. It's fake. You have the living water and then you have the fake water.

[Tucker Carlson]

Why do you think they've chosen water metaphors?

[Owen Benjamin]

Because I think the real current, like water, is so important to life. Right. It's like the arteries of life and the movement of it, like, is what cleans the water.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so they want money. Velocity is their whole thing. It's like move currency. Flow. Flow. Make, you know, you know, Gary, coin table coin, like flow. But in reality, like real current flowing is what cleans it and makes it alive. There's little ripples in it and it like, is magic. And so, you know, the banks of the river, the frozen asset underwater, above water, you know, it's. It's the fake version of reality. And that's. You'll see that over and over again. Like the icloud, the ethernet cord, like they're always trying to mimic. Mimic. And it's always worse. It's like copying a VHS over and over again.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so that's why it's always just a step behind. It's like margarine. It's like. It's like butter, but bad. And it kind of kills you. Okay, man.

[Tucker Carlson]

I think you're one of the wisest people I've ever interviewed in a lifetime of interviewing people. So I'm grateful that you did this.

[Owen Benjamin]

I'm gonna end as wise as a kid or a dog, though. That's why I'm always discharging it. I'm like, I'm like, no. Like, I think normally people are all like this because sometimes people are like, man, you're like, special. I'm like, I promise I'm not. I'm just around animals and kids all the time.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes. Well, that is because I'm like.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because that's. Because sometimes people see Me, like, make these, like, I don't know, this insanely obvious thing. And they're like, I thought you were like. I'm like, no, I'm. I'm just. I can see patterns that. In music. I hate jazz. You know, it's like, what?

[Tucker Carlson]

Last question.

[Owen Benjamin]

Okay.

[Tucker Carlson]

Why are animals so important? You've made reference that a couple of times around animals.

[Owen Benjamin]

Because they're our responsibility, and they're. And they're pure in their nature. Like, they can't really do evil.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so it can seem like it, but it's really. It's. It's kind of like the family where it's like, when people blame women and then women blame kids. It's like, if you want to take responsibility, you have to take responsibility for everything. Like. Like, the father takes care of the woman, takes care of the children. It's like that with animals. So you can't abuse animals, because that's our dominion. Like, that is our job.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

And so when you. When you're good to your animals and you have the morality of it, they're just so, like, I'm still not over the death of my last dog. Like, I was thinking about that when you guys were asking me about dogs yesterday, and I'm like, I got Winston. George is awesome. But I haven't fully. I'm still like, but Benny, you know, I planted him under a tree, and it's just like. It's still intense because he was, like, this loyal companion to me for so long. And so it's like, when people hate kids and dogs, it's a problem, because if you. If you treat them badly, they show it. So if you're a sadist, your dog is bad. Yes. Or your kids are acting out. You know, it's like, they're not born bad. And so it's like, you know them by their fruits. It's like, they are your responsibility, Anything above you. That's why I don't really care about the fake hierarchy people. I'm like, I'm not responsible for Jeff Bezos. That's his realm. But if my wife was super depressed or my kids were acting out or my animals, I'm like, that's me. Somehow I have to take full accountability of that. And so that's why being around animals and kids, it reflects back to me what I'm supposed to do, where my weaknesses are. I'm not their best buddy all the time. You know what I mean? It's like, I have to have that firm line or else they're not gonna Grow properly.

[Tucker Carlson]

So they're like a living example of your duty. They are your duty.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yes. Yeah. And so me, like, if I'm. If I don't have any boundaries with certain things, it's not going to help the kid when they're in other environments. That's why, like, look what I do for a living. Like, I have some. Some trash in me. I'm a little ghetto, a little bit. Like, I can speak in a way where I'm like, oh, that's wicked great. You know? Know, my kids don't speak like that because I. I just took. I didn't want them to have that burden of speaking in a way that eliminates them from opportunities.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Owen Benjamin]

So it sometimes is really funny how, like, insanely nice they are. And I thought they would be, like, possibly naive. I'm like, you know, growing up, I had to, like, deal with stuff, and it made me. No, they can spot tricks a mile away because they're in a harmonious state. So, like, they'll be like, I don't trust that guy with the purple jacket, dad. You know, like, they could just see that something's off. Like, why is that guy, like, acting like that? You know?

[Tucker Carlson]

Dogs are the same way.

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah, yeah, totally. They're just like. And so that's why, again, I'm very hopeful. I want to leave your listeners, like, with that. With the hope aspect, because it's not. It's not naive. It's like, it is there. Like, I'm not ignoring. I don't think pandas are real as described. I'm sorry, Panda bears. Like, I know about a lot of lies. Like, I think they're like shih Tzu dogs. Like, I think they're. They were never wild, really. They ovulate three days a year. They can't survive. All they do is eat bamboo, and they cannot make them procreate. Guess what a group of pandas is called. What an embarrassment of pandas. If the more you look into that, the more China owns all of them, which only happens if you have a patent. Right. And. And the first time. They were never in Chinese literature or art until the end of the 19th century.

[Tucker Carlson]

What? Yeah, Pandas weren't.

[Owen Benjamin]

My theory is they were, like, bred to eat bamboo because bamboo is super hard to get rid of. And all they do is eat bamboo and they're, like, retarded and they roll down hills and they can't have sex.

[Tucker Carlson]

They weren't in Chinese art or literature.

[Owen Benjamin]

Never. Not until the end of the 1800s.

[Tucker Carlson]

Okay, so that. That proves it. Right there because, like, how could you not paint a panda?

[Owen Benjamin]

Yeah. And then people are like, oh, so you think they're robots? I'm like, have you ever seen a sheet? You think there were wild Shih Tzus? So, like, I'm aware of a lot of deception in the world, and I'm still like, my blinders are not up. Like, it's better being, like, knowing that it's all good. Like, this world is a gift. Like, life is a gift, you know?

[Tucker Carlson]

I can't think of a conversation I've enjoyed more. Thank you, Owen Benjamin.

[Owen Benjamin]

Thank you for having me, man.

[Tucker Carlson]

Wonderful.