Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good

Summary

Summary of "Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good"

Episode Details:

• Title: Tom Homan’s Plan to Destroy the Cartel Empire, End Child Trafficking, and Secure the Border for Good
• Host/Author: Tucker Carlson Network
• Release Date: December 18, 2024

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1. Introduction to Tom Homan’s Role

The episode begins with host Tucker Carlson introducing Tom Homan, who discusses his recent appointment as one of President Trump's first choices after his election. Homan outlines his primary objectives in a single sentence: securing the border, executing a massive deportation operation, and leading an initiative to locate over 300,000 missing children trafficked into the United States.

Notable Quote:

• Tom Homan [00:12]: "Number one is secure the border. Shut the border down. Number two, run the biggest deportation operation this country's ever seen. And third, he wants me to lead an effort to find the over 300,000 missing children that were trafficked into this country, and this administration cannot locate them."

2. Assessing the Current Border Situation

Homan provides a stark comparison of the border security under the Biden administration versus the previous Trump administration. He cites data indicating over 12.5 million people have been encountered at the border, emphasizing that this surge is a deliberate policy shift to destabilize border security.

Notable Quote:

• Tom Homan [02:27]: "And to go from the most secure border of my lifetime under President Trump based on data... that's by design. That's not mismanagement. That's by design."

3. The Role and Power of Cartels

A significant portion of the discussion centers on the Mexican cartels, which Homan describes as powerful entities akin to Fortune 500 companies. He argues that these cartels are responsible for more American deaths than any terrorist organization and possess military-grade weaponry, making them a formidable national security threat.

Notable Quotes:

• Tom Homan [09:05]: "This is not a gang anymore. Right. Jalisco cartels... they're in over 45 countries of the world."
• Tom Homan [09:37]: "These criminal cartels have killed more Americans than every terrorist organization in the world combined."

4. Critique of Biden Administration’s Policies

Homan criticizes the Biden administration for intentionally unsecuring the border, attributing the resulting humanitarian crisis and increased illegal immigration to political motivations aimed at bolstering Democratic voter bases. He also highlights policy reversals such as the overturning of the Trump census rule, which he claims benefits Democrats by increasing their representation in the House.

Notable Quotes:

• Tom Homan [02:50]: "Joe Biden's first president came into office and unsecured a border."
• Tom Homan [03:44]: "He also overturned the Trump census rule where almost all that will go aliens be counted in all these sanctuary cities, which is going to result in more seats in the House for the Dems and disproportionate seats in the House."

5. Human Trafficking and Missing Children Crisis

Homan emphasizes the dire situation concerning missing children, asserting that over 300,000 have been trafficked into the U.S. He condemns the current administration for failing to locate these children and calls for comprehensive investigations into the involvement of NGOs and the United Nations in facilitating this trafficking.

Notable Quotes:

• Tom Homan [06:13]: "They created the biggest national security vulnerability this nation’s ever seen."
• Tom Homan [75:07]: "Over 300,000 missing children. We got to save these children."

6. Strategies for Securing the Border

Homan outlines his plan to secure the border, which includes reinstating stringent deportation processes, leveraging the military for border security, and collaborating with law enforcement agencies to dismantle cartel operations. He stresses the importance of proper funding and resources to effectively implement these strategies.

Notable Quotes:

• Tom Homan [56:10]: "We got over 1.7 million with final orders, removal, already been ordered removed that haven't been removed."
• Tom Homan [67:34]: "Well, I think we've proven that the southwest border is a huge national security vulnerability. I think it's a perfect place for the military to be."

7. Confronting Sanctuary Cities and Local Governments

The conversation delves into the conflict between federal immigration enforcement and local governments' sanctuary policies. Homan criticizes mayors and governors who impede federal efforts to remove illegal immigrants, labeling such actions as acts of insurrection and calling for their prosecution under federal law.

Notable Quotes:

• Tom Homan [40:30]: "You cannot help. You can choose not to help us. Stand aside, because we're going to do it."
• Tom Homan [41:39]: "If you’re in the country illegally, you got a problem. Right. If we don’t take the judge’s order, we send a message to the whole world."

8. Addressing the Deep State and Legislative Challenges

Homan expresses frustration with what he describes as the deep state—permanent Washington officials who resist policy changes. He anticipates significant pushback from Congress regarding funding for his initiatives and underscores the necessity of confronting entrenched bureaucratic obstacles to achieve his objectives.

Notable Quotes:

• Tom Homan [27:27]: "What's an act of hate toward the country, of course."
• Tom Homan [58:27]: "Lindsey Graham yesterday said he's working on an astronomical bill."

9. Human Impact and Personal Motivation

Towards the end of the episode, Homan shares personal anecdotes illustrating the human cost of current border policies, including stories of children dying while crossing the border and women being victims of cartel violence. He underscores his commitment to addressing these tragedies as his primary motivation for resuming government service.

Notable Quotes:

• Tom Homan [80:19]: "I wake up already pissed off for four years."
• Tom Homan [81:32]: "When you unsecured the border on purpose, I wrote an op-ed of Fox News and I say, if Joe Biden wins the presidency, we lose the border."

10. Conclusion and Future Outlook

The episode concludes with Homan reaffirming his dedication to enforcing border security and dismantling cartel operations under President Trump's administration. He expresses confidence in the impending support from the incoming administration and outlines his expectations for the upcoming changes in border policy.

Notable Quotes:

• Tom Homan [80:03]: "I came back because, like I said, I've been doing this a long time, and I'm at a point now where I wake up every day pissed off."
• Tom Homan [83:55]: "We're going to enforce this law. We're going to run this deportation operation."

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Transcript

[Tucker Carlson]

So you're pretty much the first person Trump chose after he got elected, I think was the end of that week, right?

[Tom Homan]

Yeah, I believe I was.

[Tucker Carlson]

Can you summarize in one sentence what you plan to do with the job?

[Tom Homan]

Well, look, we had a discussion that night, and he gave me three rails, three things he wants me to do. Number one is secure the border.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Tom Homan]

Shut the border down. Number two, run the biggest deportation operation this country's ever seen. And third, he wants me to lead an effort to find the over 300,000 missing children that were trafficked into this country, and this administration cannot locate them.

[Tucker Carlson]

Welcome to the Tucker Carlson Show. We bring you stories that have not been showcased anywhere else. And they're not censored, of course, because we're not gatekeepers. We are honest brokers here to tell you what we think you need to know and do it honestly. Check out all of our content@tucker carlson.com. here's the episode. So, seal the border. Deport the illegals. Find the missing children. 300,000.

[Tom Homan]

Yes.

[Tucker Carlson]

Let's go. In order. Seal the border. How? What has happened? Do you have a sense now, over a month after Trump's victory, of just how big the invasion was under Biden? Do we know?

[Tom Homan]

Well, we know that we can document over 10 million encounters. 10.5 that we can document. Then we can document over two main gotaways. Right. These are known gotaways. What is a known got away? These are people we. We. We kept capture an image on drone video.

[Tucker Carlson]

Is that in addition to the 10?

[Tom Homan]

Yeah. So.

[Tucker Carlson]

So at least 12 million people have.

[Tom Homan]

Been encountered at a border. 10.5 been encountered. Over 2. We know they're a got away because there's a we capture on drone traffic, video traffic or sensor traffic, and Borg chose over one that couldn't respond. So we know there's at least 12.5 million people at that border.

[Tucker Carlson]

So that's like. That's like New York plus Chicago.

[Tom Homan]

It's a historic number, which is one of the reasons why I wake up pissed off every day, because we went from the most secure border in my lifetime. I started in 1984 as a border agent. Worked for six presidents.

[Tucker Carlson]

Where did you start, by the way?

[Tom Homan]

I was a border agent. Campbell, California. San Diego sector.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yep.

[Tom Homan]

But to go from the most secure border of my lifetime under President Trump based on data. Right. That's just my opinion. That's data. Go from the most secure border of my lifetime to historic illegal immigration in one administration, that's by design. That's not mismanagement. That's by design.

[Tucker Carlson]

What do you think the goal was?

[Tom Homan]

You know, I asked that a lot of you. Why would anybody open a border up? I think Joe Biden's the first president in American history who came in office and unsecured a border. I worked for, you know, six presidents. Obama and Clinton took steps to secure the border because they understood you possibly can't. There's no way you can have strong national security if you're on border security. You need to know what's coming, who's coming in, where it's coming, and why it's coming in. Joe Biden's first president came into office and unsecured a border. And people ask me all the time why. I think they see a future political benefit. I think they think these people would be future Democratic voters, number one two. But we don't even have to get there, right, Tucker? I mean, when Biden signed over nine executive orders getting rid of everything we did, he also overturned the Trump census rule where mans that will go aliens be counted in all these sanctuary cities, which is going to result in more seats in the House for the Dems and reproportionate seats in the House.

[Tucker Carlson]

Can that be undone?

[Tom Homan]

Oh, yeah. I think President Trump needs to get. When he gets back in, when he needs to establish the other census rule. Illegal analysts should not be counting the census.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, yeah, because illegal foreign citizens, non Americans, should not be able to determine how many members of Congress you have and where they sit.

[Tom Homan]

Exactly. I think President Trump will reinstitute the game changing policies he had during the first administration. So we can secure the border. We did it before. This time we're going to finish the job.

[Tucker Carlson]

How many came through Canada, do you know?

[Tom Homan]

I don't have off the top of my head, but I know the number, depending on what sector you look at, is 600 to 800% increase on the northern border. Specifically in upstate New York, where I grew up, and I still have a home up there. So I'm very familiar with that area, and I talk to border patrol chiefs up there all the time. Northern New York has a huge problem. And the problem with, with northern border, a lot of SIAs come to the northern border. They can afford to fly to Canada and cross the northern border, which is wide open because there's a lot of border and very few agents. So a lot of Indians, a lot of Pakistani, a lot of Turkish come to the northern border.

[Tucker Carlson]

I mean, who organized this? You say it was by design. There are a lot of NGOs involved. The United nations is involved, a bunch of religious charities, pretty evil religious charities, in my opinion, involved in this, but they seem to be coordinating with one another. What do we understand exactly what happened?

[Tom Homan]

You know, we're still looking into it. I think under the Trump administration, it needs to be investigation. And what happened, who was involved? I know I have numerous conversations with Mark Green, who's the chairman of Homeland Oversight. He plans on having some oversight hearings on this, specifically when it relates to the NGOs. And I think they were complicit A lot of this illegal immigration and certainly United nations, we're south of our border, working on this global illegal immigration to the United States. So I'm counting on the new Congress, which we now have control of both the House and the Senate, to conduct oversight hearings and hold people accountable. There's no way, again, there's no way this is mismanagement or incompetence. This is by design. And do I think Joe Biden had the expertise to do it? No. I think someone's pulling his strings. So this is something that needs to be fully investigated. People need to be held accountable because.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, they need to go wreck the country. They need to go to prison.

[Tom Homan]

They created the biggest national security vulnerability this nation's ever seen. We got a record number of people on terrorist watchless being arrested. We got 2.2 million people. And this is my biggest issue I brought up the last two years. It's just not about illegal immigration anymore. You caused a crisis this big to overwhelm the Border Patrol, where many times 70% of agents were pulled off the line dealing with humanitarian crisis. Right. Changing diapers, making baby formula, making hospital runs, doing that humanitarian mission left. Leaving 30% of our homeland Security officials left, securing the border. There was times in the last two years where 100%, 100% of border collision were pulled off the line, such as in El Paso, because when they, when they got overcrowded, this administration said, wait, we can't have overcrowding. That's a bad optic. So let's pull every agent off the line, process as quick as possible, release as quick as possible, because there's no overcrowding. There's nothing to see here. The border is so secure. So when you overwhelm the Border Patrol, that's when all the bad things happen. That's when we got 2.2 million gotaways, right? That's when the fentanyl comes across to kill a quarter million Americans. That's why sex trafficking of women and children is up 600%. That's why? The number of migrant deaths is at a historic high. So this, what people call this innocent illegal immigration crisis made a lot of bad things happen. Because the Border Patrol was strictly overwhelming. They couldn't do the national security.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, it changed the culture of the United States, which is worse than any of the things that you. And more permanent than any of the things you listed. You can't run in and change people's ancient culture. Been here for 250 years. You can't do that. No. It's the worst crime ever committed against the US Worse than the Civil War, in my opinion. But the question is, who did this and why? So the United nations, we pay the largest share of the UN budget. You know, we should have some ability to control what the UN does, but they commit this act of war against us. Do we know who did at the UN and why?

[Tom Homan]

I do not. But it's something that's going to be. I believe it should be investigated. I'm pushing people, I'm coming to the administration with it. We need to investigate it again. I've talked to numerous representatives on the Hill that swear they're going to have hearings on this. And we need to. American people need to know exactly what happened. Who is responsible.

[Tucker Carlson]

Do you think that the fentanyl traffickers known as the cartels. I guess I'm not exactly sure what that means. I'd like to ask you, actually, but you keep reading and hearing that they have control of parts of the southwestern United States. First of all, what is a cartel? Who are they? Where are they from? And do you think that's true?

[Tom Homan]

Well, the criminal cartels in Mexico, they are born out of the narcotics smuggling industry in Mexico. And they're powerful. Look, they're like a Fortune 500 company.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes.

[Tom Homan]

This is not a gang anymore. Right. Jalisco cartels is. They're in over 45 countries of the world. Right. And not only responsible for moving narcotics in this country, they're also. They're currently in every major city in the United States because not only are they smuggling the drugs in the United States, they're taking over the distribution within the United States. Right. So again, and I said this at the rnc, and President Trump agrees with me, these criminal cartels have killed more Americans than every terrorist organization in the world combined. Right.

[Tucker Carlson]

In every war, more than Second World War.

[Tom Homan]

So that's why they need to be designated terrorist organizations and wiped off the face of the Earth. And it's going to take the United States to do it. Mexico has failed to do it. Even if they tried to do it. Bottom line is much of the Mexican military, much of the Mexican law enforcement, much of the Mexican government's corrupt. That's just a fact.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, then why. Okay, so I noticed that the incoming administration just basically toppled the Prime Minister of Canada, who's a thoroughly evil person called Justin Trudeau. And by, just by threatening tariffs, they kind of fixed the Canada problem. Trump fixed it in about, I don't know, 20 minutes. But how much more leverage do we have over Mexico? I mean, we're the entire economy of Mexico. Why don't we do that with Mexico?

[Tom Homan]

We are. President Trump has threatened tariffs and she's. The president seems to say she's going to help. We'll see if her actions match her words. But President Trump has a lot of power over Mexico. Look, the tariffs alone, Mexico needs us more than we need them. Right? And look, I'm not saying every cop, every soldier, every politician in Mexico is corrupt, but many are. That's just a fact. When I was ICE director, we had vetted units. We worked with law enforcement down there. We vetted them so we can work with them, but we didn't even tell the vetted units everything we know because we just couldn't be sure. Right. But pro has a lot of leverage. Remember when I, when I became Borgella in 1984, one of my first assignments out of the academy was protecting a port of entry in Tecate, California, because we had a DEA agent that was tortured and murdered. Kiki Camaran, I think you remember.

[Tucker Carlson]

I remember very well.

[Tom Homan]

And they wouldn't help us to identify and turn over the people responsible. Ronald Reagan shut down the port of entries and what it take him, two days. All of a sudden we know who committed crime. And so President Trump can obviously do that. He can end all the visas, end the tourist visas, the business visas. There's a lot of power he has over Mexico and he needs. President Trump's willing to do whatever it takes to protect our sovereignty and to protect this country. And he's ready to do it. He proved it the first time when Remain in Mexico program. Mexico didn't want to do that. 30 safe country agreements. Mexico didn't want to do that. They didn't want to put 10,000 military on their, on their border where President Trump threatened them with tariffs and they came to the table.

[Tucker Carlson]

There are so many nice Mexican people. I mean, most Mexican people I met, I really like that we forget that the government's very anti American, is not our ally in any sense. We spend all this Energy, being mad at Assad, whoever, who cares? And we live next to this country that's helping to kill hundreds of thousands of Americans every year. No one ever says anything about it. Don't you think it would be worth shifting some of that emotional energy and military resources to, like, countries right next to us who are hurting us?

[Tom Homan]

I'm 100% with you. And that's why I've been pushing for Mexico to come to the table and be accountable. It's against the law of Mexico to traffick in women and children, but they don't do anything about it. It's against the law of Mexico to transit to that country if you're from another country without a transit visa. But they allow it. I mean, look at the beast. The big train that thousands of people came up every weekend. They didn't do anything until President Trump got in office and had him put a stop to it. I mean, but good thing is a lot of countries are willing to come to the table right now. Mexico says they're going to. Let's see what they do. I'll be deeply involved in those conversations. Panama. Panama wants to come to the table and help the United States secure our border by shutting down a Daring Gap. This administration said they're going to do it. Secretary Mayorkas said he was going to do it. Panama never got any funding to do it. They never got anything done with this administration. They were coming to the table again, we will shut down Daring Gap, but please help us. We will help them. Daring Gap. Shutting the Daring Gap down would be a huge game changer on illegal migration to this country.

[Tucker Carlson]

But again, given the economic leverage the United States has, that shouldn't take more than a weekend, right?

[Tom Homan]

It's going to be pretty quick. I mean, we're going to. We're going to come to the table. What we need Mexicans to do, remain in Mexico. Program a game changer that needs to happen quickly. That was a game changer because after about two months, they stopped coming. They stopped coming because they knew they weren't being released into the United States to not show up in court. And even if they show up in court, no one's looking to remove them because on this administration, ICE can't arrest somebody for simply being illegally in the United States. Secretary Morcas made that clear. They gotta have a criminal conviction before ICE can even look at them, even though they're illegally here. So they remain in Mexico at the game till they stopped coming. They stopped selling everything they had, given the cartels every dollar they had to come to the United States to be released. When the remaining Mexico program came into power, came into place, they stopped coming. When they stopped coming, look at the lives that were saved. Look at the money that was saved. If someone's really escaping fear and persecution from their homeland, from their government, home government, if they're really escaping fear and persecution, they're going to be willing to wait in Mexico for the hearing. But most of them know.

[Tucker Carlson]

But why would the US Take anybody who's, I mean, why is it our job, given our appalling track record around the world of like, trying to make things better, you make them worse? Because the world's super complicated. Why do we have an obligation to take anybody from anywhere ever? I don't really get where does that come from?

[Tom Homan]

Well, that was the genius of the Remain in Mexico program. Right? Because the President Trump, I remember sitting in the office, Oval Office one day, we're talking about this and I was trying to explain to him, and he understood clearly what the whole situation, situation on asylum is. I told him that if you look at the data, immigration court data, about nine out of 10 people claim asylum at our border, never get relief from US Government because they simply don't qualify, they don't show up in court. Then you look at the Homeland Security Lifecycle report, a report that's put up the Homeland Security, for instance, family units for those that were ordered removed, only 6% leave. So when I explained to President Trump, 9 out of 10 don't even have a valid claim. But when that 9 out of 10 gets order removed, 6% leave. He says, you know, it didn't take him long say, why the hell are we doing this? Yeah, so let's not let him and let's have a Remain in Mexico program. If you're really escaping from persecution, you wait in Mexico. If you win your case, which are very few, welcome to the United States. But if you don't win your case, we don't have to go find you. And we're not putting this message out of catch and Release. So people keep coming, knowing they're going to be released in the United States at the same time knowing when they lose their case, no one's looking to remove them. That whole dynamic is going to change. Yes, Right. Because I've said, I've been real clear since the day President Trump appointed me. If you're in the country illegally, you got a problem. Right. If we don't take the judge's order, immigration court, when you ordered you removed, it gets a deportation officer deportation order. If we don't execute those orders, then what the hell are we doing? Shut down the immigration court. Doesn't make, doesn't mean anything anymore. Take the border off the border because there's no consequences for entering this country illegally. We'll give you due process, but when your order removed, you're going to be removed. Or if we don't, we send a message to the whole world. You can enter the country legally, which is a crime. You can see a judge or not see a judge, get an order removal. No one's looking for you. And that's what the Democrats are doing. Under this administration, they have overwhelmed the system, releasing millions of this country immigration. The court doc has pushed back seven, maybe as much as nine years like in New York. By that time when they get an order removal, they got two or three USC kids, right? Then everybody's complaining. You can't remove that guy. He's got three USC kids. When I was life director, I got calls from Republican senators. Why'd you remove that person? He has two USC children. Well, he didn't have two USC children enter country legally. He didn't have two USC children.

[Tucker Carlson]

Calls from Republican senators.

[Tom Homan]

Oh, absolutely.

[Tucker Carlson]

They're the worst.

[Tom Homan]

And I said, I said, well, what's my option? He had due process, a great taxpayer expense. He was already removed by federal judge. The option is just let him stay. Because if we're going to do that, how many more you want to stay, then we got to send a clear message. We're in national laws. You get order removed, you're going to be removed. If not, we send a message to the whole world. Enter illegally, commit a crime, go have a US citizen child, and you're off the hook.

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[Tucker Carlson]

Is there any way to move millions of Haitians into rich, white, liberal neighborhoods? I mean it. I mean it. The people who did this are rich, white liberals in the United States who hate themselves and the country. And to punish it, they invited all these people illegally from failed countries, but they can't stand the idea of living near these people because they're racist. So why wouldn't you move every Haitian to Bethesda and Brookline and Aspen and Martha's Vineyard in Nantucket, like, today? Can we do that? I will donate money if we can do that.

[Tom Homan]

We absolutely could. Look at what Martha's vineyards did. They put them on, Eric. You know, this whole thing.

[Tucker Carlson]

They called the cops immediately because they're racist.

[Tom Homan]

Governor Abbott done more to secure this border than anybody in this administration. Guy's great. Desantis the same. Do you know who first came up with the idea of busing people in sanctuary cities? It was President Trump. I remember sitting in the Oval Office one time, he said, why don't we do that? So we started putting plans together. But the remainder of Mexico program was such a game changer. We couldn't fill a bus up if we wanted to. So we beat the problem before we actually got to that.

[Tucker Carlson]

The problem, though, is that the people doing it didn't have a precise enough understanding of rich, white, liberal culture, but I do. So they would bus them to New York, then they wind up in midtown in Queens. Okay. None of the people who are doing this were affected by it, but I could give you a list of zip codes where, like, Tony Blinken lives and stuff like that, because I know that world. They need to be moved into the neighborhoods of the people who are calling you racist for wanting to have laws and borders. Like, they need to feel the effects of their own destruction. So just text me and I will send you the zip codes. I mean it, too, because what happened is they opened the borders and then all these people, like, moved to Jackson, Wyoming, to the least diverse zip codes in the. In the country. They literally ran to the hills to get away from diversity.

[Tom Homan]

I think we need to add to that, though. The senators and congressmen are pushing back.

[Tucker Carlson]

On inboard border security 100%.

[Tom Homan]

You know, moving illegal aliens right outside of the Vice President Kamala Harris's Residence. That was a game changer, too. So I think not only those who are well financed. How about the politicians who are pushing back against any form of enforcement of our border laws?

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, that's why Bernie Sanders needs a ton of Haitians in Vermont because it's appallingly, it's blindingly white. It needs to change. I couldn't agree more. So, but just back to the cartel question. I don't, I don't know that much about it, but I keep hearing, I think informed people say, man, you know, parts of New Mexico, Arizona, California, even Florida, Texas, you know, there is real control by these cartels in the way that they control Mexico. I mean, they're basically a state within a state with their own army and armored personnel carriers and tanks and like, you know, do you think that's real? Do you think they have that kind of beachhead here?

[Tom Homan]

Oh, absolutely. As I said earlier, they're like a Fortune 500 company. They're well financed, they're diversified in their funding. And look, I've seen a lot of intelligence report, they have access to military grade weapons. They'll take the Mexican military on. And Mexican law enforcement, they do all the time. And it's just not my opinion. They have control, Operation control or southwest border. And I've talked to chief patrol agents who agree with me. They've lost operational control in southwest border. One chief patrol agent used the term broken arrow. I was on the phone the one time he goes, tom, I can't contain what's coming across. I'm lucky I'm catching 10% of it. The criminal cartels, knowing this administration caused this huge humanitarian crisis and overwhelmed the border patrol, as we discussed earlier, and whatever assets is left on the border left to patrol the criminal cartels. You think 100 family units or 200 family units show up accidentally at the same place at a certain time? No, the cartels control that. They'll send a group to one area, knowing whatever left on the border was seized to that humanitarian crisis. Right. They have to go deal with that. They create gaps in the system. That's when they move the fentanyl that's killed a quarter million Americans. That's why sex trafficking is up 600%. The cartels, they create gaps in our system, and that's where they operate. And for the Democratic representatives up on the Hill saying, well, most fentanyl comes to the port of entry, that's just a bunch of garbage. Most fentanyl is seized at a port of entry because every vehicle stopped. And based on the CBP targeting system, which is law enforcement sensitive. And based on the responses to the questions, chances are they get secondary and they'll find some things between the port of entry, we're maybe touching 10%. So if I'm a criminal cartel, I'm going to use a route of least resistance. I know my vehicle is going to be stopped at a port of entry. Will it be secondary or not? I don't know. But between a port of entry with 70% of the agents off the line, that's where I'm going to move my product. I mean, it's not rocket science.

[Tucker Carlson]

Just right over the open border.

[Tom Homan]

Absolutely.

[Tucker Carlson]

So I know I'm jumping around, but I have too many questions for you. I read in the last three days it's hard to believe this could be true, that the Biden administration auctioned off portions of the unfinished border wall at barg basement prices. Is that true?

[Tom Homan]

Yes. I actually had a conversation with Senator Lindsey Graham 2 days ago. Someone needs to take some action because this is, this is products that the taxpayers already paid for and they're going to auction off. And now, you know, Texas talking about buying it back. Shouldn't have to buy it back. We bought it once before. Right. This administration's out. They're out in, you know, a couple more weeks. Why would they continue to set us up for failure? That's what they're trying to do, right? President Biden signing all the executive orders. They want to sell the border product. I thought the American people on election day give this country a clear mandate. They want to secure border. But this administration is going to stop at. They won't stop at anything to slow us down. It's not going to slow us down. We're going to get that border wall finished. But the mere stupidity of selling this stuff on pennies on a dollar, every taxpayer should be.

[Tucker Carlson]

What's an act of hate toward the country, of course.

[Tom Homan]

Well, you know, I've said it many times. They hate Trump more than they love the country, for sure.

[Tucker Carlson]

And I think they hate the country more than they hate Trump even. He represents the country to them, the old country that they tried to change with immigration. Do you know Mayorkas?

[Tom Homan]

I know him.

[Tucker Carlson]

How would you assess him?

[Tom Homan]

I used to respect him under President Obama. I got a presidential rank award under President Obama because I oversaw the removal of well over a million aliens during that three year period. My Orcas actually accompanied me on operations in New York City targeting criminal aliens and illegal aliens both. Jeh Johnson approved the family operation. A lot of families were Coming across during the Obama administration. And I told Jay Johnson, look, nine out of 10 of these families going to be order. Removed. Are we going to remove them? He said, absolutely. Jay Johnson stood by that. Ali Mayorkas. Alejandro Mayorkas went on operation with us. He backed me up a lot. The main thing we disagreed on is the transgender policy. Where you wanted special treatment for transgenders in ICE detention. I was ordered to sign that policy.

[Tucker Carlson]

And that's what kind of special treatment.

[Tom Homan]

Making sure they're, they're, they're identified as being a transgender, they're protected in our facilities and, you know, separated and, and get medical attention, whether it's hormone therapy or whatever it was and which is.

[Tucker Carlson]

He wanted the US Government to pay for hormone therapy.

[Tom Homan]

Yeah. And we got a huge argument over that. And I was ordered to sign a memo and that's where kind of where I had a fallen out.

[Tucker Carlson]

But do you have any. Why would he want. I mean, first of all, how many transsexual illegal aliens are there?

[Tom Homan]

You'd be surprised how many we run across. And they just, you know, they want a certain protection form in our facilities. Well, Alejandro Mayorkas went and operated with me. He shook hands of officers who were enforcing immigration law. I remember we went to New York City on a huge operation, arrested a lot of illegal aliens. And when he was nominated to be secretary, I thought, okay, we're in the middle of this crisis again. Right? He knows how we stopped it. We stopped it by building detention facilities, including family residential centers, you know, the so called cages. Right. He knew how we stopped it. We stopped by building more detention facilities, detaining people, making them have a hearing. Because if you're in detention, you have a hearing within like 35 days. 9 out of 10 lost. We put him in an airplane, sent him home, and board numbers tanked. So I'm thinking, okay, he knows how to fix it. He might be able to do this job. He got into the job. He did a complete 180. I don't recognize him anymore. He's about not enforcing law. One of his first instructions to ICE is that being in the country illegally on its own is not enough for you to go make an arrest. You gotta wait till they're convicted of a serious criminal violation.

[Tucker Carlson]

How can a federal administrator ignore federal law? Isn't that unconstitutional? Why can't he be arrested for that?

[Tom Homan]

It's illegal. I mean, the 5th Circuit judge, federal judge in the 5th Circuit said not only are they ignoring the law, they're actually violating the law. Law again. That's when we need to hold these people accountable. In the incoming administration, I believe they violated the law.

[Tucker Carlson]

And the fact that Congress never did anything about that is really telling.

[Tom Homan]

Well, that's, you know. Well, they went through the impeachment proceedings and I said at the time, I think we had five or six Republican congressmen. They didn't vote for impeachment. I couldn't believe it. And I, I thought they lost the right to be a congressman at that point. I mean, if they can impeach President Trump for making a phone call, you can't appease Alejandro Mallorcas. What he did to this border, the biggest national security vulnerability this nation has ever seen. Look, me and Christopher Wray, I'm not a friend of his. I don't really respect the man much, but he agrees with me that the border has become the biggest vulnerability this nation's ever seen. He sees more red flags than ever before. And they continue with the open border even to this day after election. Now they're going to sell border wall material that we're going to need in day one. We're getting in there. The, the illegal behavior, the treasonous behavior from this administration has not stopped.

[Tucker Carlson]

What do you think happened? It's so interesting. I'm glad I asked you if you knew him. I didn't know that you did, but since you do, what do you think.

[Tom Homan]

Happened to Mayorkas, you know, as an agent since 1984? I think we study people. That's what we do. Either he fooled me under the Obama administration that he actually believed in enforcement. Either I was hoodwinked and just thought he was behind enforcement, or he always felt that way and just he played the role under the Obama administration. Then when he came back, he actually did what he always truly believed in open borders. I know the NGOs and he has a very close relationship. He worked with some NGOs when he was. Before he came back. So I don't know what happened. All I know is a man who I once respected, I have zero respect. And now because of what he's did, not again, not because of incompetence. This is by design. They knew exactly what they were doing. Because he's been there before. He knows how we shut it down. He knows how we secure the border at a, at a high level. Not as high as Trump. We secure the border pretty good level. He did everything he could to unsecure the border, which is a complete 180.

[Tucker Carlson]

It's fascinating. There's something you watch when he talks. There's something strange. Very well first of all, he's lying.

[Tom Homan]

He's lying under oath, which is a felony too. If I lie under oath, you don't think that they would love to prosecute me for lying under oath?

[Tucker Carlson]

Right. And they should. You shouldn't be allowed to do that.

[Tom Homan]

He's lied many times. One of the biggest statements he made was for those who don't immediately qualify for asylum, they'll be immediately removed. Really? You got the lowest numbers removed in the history of ice. At the same time you have historical immigration. So you know, you're supposed to have a hearing a couple weeks ago and I asked a couple of congressmen to ask that question again. Well, there's a lot of anti Trump, anti Homan rhetoric out there that we shouldn't have a massive deportation operation. Do you stand by the statements you made? Numerous times. If they don't qualify, they need to be removed. Because you can also help send a message to the American people. We're doing this deportation operation. It has to be done. And you said it. Would you say that again? Of course. Him and Ray backed out the hearing, never had the hearing. But for the American people. Here's my biggest issue. I read it every day. Racist, inhumane. To have a mass deportation operation. We just went through four years of historic illegal immigration again, where nine out of ten get order removal. We don't have a choice. That's the way the law is set up. They lose the chase of going home.

[Tucker Carlson]

I mean, we just ended African American political power, by the way, because of the demographic changes. Just basically made it. You know, both parties have paid, especially Democratic party a lot of attention to what black voters want because they're a huge part of the Democratic coalition. And now that's not true. And so it's not. You know, this is a complicated question. Anyone who says, oh, it's just white racism is what is your average black person in Chicago. Native born, family, been here 300 years. What does he think of watching his city overwhelmed with illegal aliens?

[Tom Homan]

I'll tell you exactly what they think. I was up in Chicago last week. I met with hundreds. I met with black pastors. Black pastors were upset.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, they should be upset.

[Tom Homan]

Yeah. They feel like people are not supposed to be here, enter the country legally, which is a crime. I'm gonna keep talking about that are getting massive amounts of care, right? Free hotel room, three square meals a day, free medical care. And the black community feels left behind because a lot of these people are, you know, they could use some of that tax money in Chicago to help them and their taxpayers, they should have the first, first chance to get some of that help. But the mayor of Chicago just, you know, he's ignoring his own community. And I was up there just over a week ago, and I met with hundreds of people that were up there, and they're suffering because the decisions to take care of these illegal aliens. I mean, I saw city transit buses parked, running, running fuel as warming buses. How about taking care of the homeless people in that city? Let them get on a warming bus. But, you know, they rather put these illegal aliens in a hotel room at 500 bucks a night in the Roosevelt Hotel in New York City and give them three meals a day and give them free medical care rather than take care of their own people. We got homeless vets. You've been to Washington, D.C. many times, you know, less than a mile from the capital, you got homeless vets living in tents. They don't have a free hotel room. They don't get a hot shower. They don't get three squares a day. They don't get, you know, they don't have access to free medical care. But you got people who are in the country illegally got all that stuff.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, yeah, and they also, you know, this is a democracy, so we make decisions based on population size. And if you dilute the population, you dilute the political power of the people who are born here very much, including black people. So really, it's a takeover of our. Of our government, of our democratic system. And I just want to say it for the third time. It completely disenfranchises black people and their, you know, black leaders in Congress who supposedly speak for black people. They sold them right out, actually. Fact.

[Tom Homan]

And the violence in these communities, and we're trying to address the violence. Mayor Iowans finally gets it, I think. But, you know, we'll see what he actually does. But you got the mayor of Chicago. Chicago. The crime rate is extremely high in Chicago. Right. We know the shootings are outrageous. And what we're saying to him, President Trump and myself have been very clear. We want to prioritize those illegally in the country. There are public safety threats. That's what we want to target first. Because they're the most dangerous to our community. Public safety threats and national security threats. Why would any elected mayor of a city with a crime rate as high as they have not want public safety threats taken out of their communities, especially if they're here illegally? There's no sense, you would think the mayor of Chicago's number one responsibility is the safety of his community. Why not help me take those public safety threats out of the community. ICE agents aren't allowed to take a step into Cook County Jail, one of the biggest county jails in the country, where we used to get hundreds of illegal alien criminals out. We can't even step foot in that. They won't even. They won't honor an ICE detainer. They much rather release that public safety threat back in the community to reoffend. And where is he likely to reoffend? The immigrant community where he lives.

[Tucker Carlson]

But I don't understand. I mean, so when South Carolina tried this in 1861 at Fort Sumter, it kicked off a civil war. When Central High School tried this in 1957 in Little Rock, Arkansas, Eisenhower sent the 101st Airborne. You can't allow states to ignore federal law. I'm trying not to use the F word here. So how is that not an act of insurrection? I don't understand. If a mayor or a governor says, you know, we're going to ignore federal law and there's nothing you can. You can't come into our facility. How about you get a SEAL team and go to the facility? I mean, like, how is that allowed? That is insurrection.

[Tom Homan]

And that's.

[Tucker Carlson]

Am I missing something? I thought this is the way the system worked.

[Tom Homan]

And that's why I've been out there taking a lot of hate the last three weeks, saying, okay, well, you're taking hate from the.

[Tucker Carlson]

From the insurrectionists.

[Tom Homan]

Yeah. Which I'll wear as a badge of honor. I've been out there saying one thing. To the mayor of Denver, Right. To the mayor of Chicago, and to Governor Pritzker and restaurant. You cannot help. You can choose not to help us. Stand aside, because we're going to do it. However, there's a line you can't cross. If you're going to impede what we're doing, that's a felony. If you're going to annoyingly harbor and conceal an illegal alien from ICE agents, USC 1324 to apply, that's a felony. And we will prosecute. We're done playing the game. There are federal statutes on the books, written by Congress, enacted by Congress, signed by a president, said, this is a felony to do these things, and we're going to take that seriously. And we got a strong AG Coming in, paying Bondi, I think will back me up on this. You can help. You can sit aside and watch us do your work for you. Fine, you do it. But here's a. Here's the message. No one's asking you to be Immigration officers. What we're asking is give us access to the taxpayer funded jail where you already locked somebody in a jail cell because apparently they're a public safety threat. When you're done with them, simply give them to us and we'll remove not only from the community, from the country, because when you don't, and here's what they're going to get, they're going to get exactly what they don't want by taking a stance. You don't let me in jail to arrest a bad guy. Where one agent can arrest a bad guy in the safety and security of a county jail where we know he don't have access to weapons. You're going to release them back in the community. You're endangering the community, the immigrant community, because most likely to reoffend in that community, you're endangering our officers and you're endangering that alien because things could happen when you make an arrest in a public setting. We have access to who knows what weapons. Right. So what's Tom Holman going to do? We're going to send more agents to. We're going to find a guy. So that means I got to send a whole team to the community to find him. We send a team because officer safety concerns. I'm going to send a whole team to find him. When we find him, he's probably going to be with others. Others are not necessarily an operational priority. But guess what? ICE agents aren't going to be told to turn their back on any illegal alien. So we're going to find the bad guy and anybody else around him. So by your actions and not let me in that county jail means more agents in your neighborhood, a lot more agents in your neighborhood and a lot more arrests and many non priority arrests. You want to play the game? We're going to play the game. That's the result you're going to get. But I can't believe to this day that any elected governor, Governor Pritzker says you got to come through me. Okay, no problem. We can do that. Why would you not want to help remove public safety threats? This should be no question if you're going to have your opinion on illegal immigration. We're talking about criminals.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, to the extent that he allows officers in his state to violate federal law. Pritzker's a criminal. I mean any governor who willingly flouts federal law. Again, this is why we had a civil war in the United States in 1861, because South Carolina did this. So I don't know why we would ever put up with that for one second from any governor, a Republican or Democrat.

[Tom Homan]

President Trump administration will not put up with it. And that's why I've been sending a warning shout out, this is not going to be tolerated. We want to take action. American lives are at stake here. And this president, I think, has been given a mandate by American people. Apparently, the, the results election has no influence on many of these people. Look, Governor, Mayor Adams reached out to me and I actually went. Mayor Adams, he understands it and I think he realizes that we're taking it seriously.

[Tucker Carlson]

And Eric Adams from New York reached out to you?

[Tom Homan]

Reached out to me.

[Tucker Carlson]

Good for him.

[Tom Homan]

I went, went and sat down, met with him. He believes he should take public safety threats out of his communities, too. He's offering to help us. He's offering to let me into Rikers island jail. We've been kicked out of Rikers island jail for years again, like we used to arrest hundreds of illegal aliens with criminal convictions there. Eric Adams says he's going to go as far as writing an executive order to get us back in Rikers island because he agrees with me that Mary de Blasio did a lot of harm that affected the public safety in New York City. So he's getting a lot of pushback from the city council. I saw him the other day, he says, you know, you can cancel me if you want, but this is the right thing to do for public safety in New Yorkers. He also said he will assist me in finding over the 300,000 missing children, which many are going to be in New York City.

[Tucker Carlson]

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[Tucker Carlson]

So let me ask you about Adams. I talked to him the other day. He seemed pretty reasonable to me. I don't agree with him on, you know, a lot, but on the other hand, he didn't seem crazy. And my impression is that he was indicted on what seemed like pretty silly charges by the feds because he complained about immigration in New York. I think that's what he thinks happened. Do you think that's possible?

[Tom Homan]

I absolutely do, yes. And when I sat down with him, it was all about public safety. Other stuff never came up. The cop at him came out and look, I've been calling him out for two years saying he forgot what it's like to be a cop and became a politician. He's not helping this crisis.

[Tucker Carlson]

I agree.

[Tom Homan]

But when he reached out to me, I sat down with him. I saw, the first time ever, I saw the cop, career cop come out with him. Look, this shouldn't be controversial at all. Mr. Omer, I want to work with you on this. He goes, we're not going to be immigration officers. I'm not going to help you round up illegal aliens. I don't want you to be an immigration officer. I want cops to work with cops to remove public safety threats. He gets it. And he says he's going to take some executive actions. So I hope he does, because that's going to make New York City much safer, not only for the community, but for my officers. My biggest threat is you're going to force us in the community, arrest bad guys when we could arrest them in a safety and security of a jail. That puts our guys at grave risk. So same with the Border Patrol agents. The criminal cartel is going to be put out of business by President Trump, which means the violence is going to rise on the southern border.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, that's right. And it's also, if you think about it, and I know you have thought about it, I think it's safer for everyone to have your guys arresting illegals in the Sonoran Desert than in Times Square. I mean, that's scary in a crowded city, right?

[Tom Homan]

And these men and women, they're going to put their lives online every day. And again, I can't believe any politician, left, right, middle, would want to put these officers at risk when there's a better way to do this. When I first started in this game back in 1980s, I never heard the word of sanctuary city. We got in every county jail. Everybody worked. I can't believe we're at the time now. My father was a cop, my grandpa was a cop, you know.

[Tucker Carlson]

Your grandfather was a cop?

[Tom Homan]

Yeah. I knew I was going to be a cop.

[Tucker Carlson]

Where were they?

[Tom Homan]

Cops in upstate New York. So in my day, cops were respected, Police officers were respected. Now, now you fast forward now and these politicians, if you enforce the law, all of a sudden you become the bad guy. And if, and if you break the law, you're the victim. That's truly this. In some of these cities.

[Tucker Carlson]

It's weird that, that Republicans put up with that acts of insurrection. I mean, they've been yammering about the insurrection of January 6, but a sanctuary city is a bold, unequivocal move toward insurrection. You're saying I'm not obeying federal law and no one did anything about it. They made fun of them on Fox News, but they didn't send the 101st Airborne.

[Tom Homan]

I don't understand why President Trump's going to take hard stance. I think he'll Take one of the things, take their federal funding away. I think that's going to bring a lot of people to the table because they need that money. And plus, I think it gets down to if they mp. If they know any harbor. I think we need to prosecute members. I said this when I was ICE director, that they need to be held accountable and DOJ needs to look at criminal prosecution. Of course, the media went crazy. Homan's calling to lock up politicians. What I called for is doj. If I'm not an attorney, but I, as an agent, many years ago, I've arrested United States citizens for annoyingly harboring, concealing an illegal alien in their home. I arrested U.S. citizen for harboring, concealing illegal alien in the place of business. If I can arrest a US Citizen for violating those crimes, why can't I arrest a mayor or a governor who's given his staff explicit instructions to impede us and to hide from us? I mean, the Mayor Adams came around and said he would have the police force at the city boundaries preventing us from coming in. Right. That was one of the comments he made. Now he's walked them back because he made a statement, he's willing to go to jail. And I responded, well, I'm willing to put you in jail if that's what it comes to. I'm not looking for a fight with these people, but I'm not going to run away from one either. We're going to enforce this law. We're going to do what the American people wants us to do. We're going to enforce the law. We're going to run this deportation operation. If you don't want to help, get the hell out of the way. But if you impede us, then we need to prosecute these people and send a message. This is no longer acceptable to anybody. Should never have been acceptable. But under the Trump administration, we're not playing that game.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. Because the country, it's not even about, on some level, immigration. It's about holding the country together. If parts of the country decide we're just not following the federal laws because we don't feel like it, then how is it a country?

[Tom Homan]

Lake and Riley would be alive today if we had a better relationship. In New York City, she was arrested. The killer was arrested in New York City for injury to child. If we had the relationship we used to have, they would have turned him over to ice. ICE would have detained him and removed him. Yeah, but instead he went to Georgia and killed him. And, you know, if, if Trump, President Trump was President, he wouldn't even be in the United States. He'd be in Mexico and they remain in Mexico. Program would have never been released into the United States, given a free hotel, given a monthly stipend for food and.

[Tucker Carlson]

Expenses, free cell phone, airplane tickets.

[Tom Homan]

It's just incredible where we're at today. But I got full confidence in myself and President Trump and I'm working very close for Steve Miller, brilliant architect of the most successful border policy this country had.

[Tucker Carlson]

What's his position going to be?

[Tom Homan]

He's the Deputy Chief of staff.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yep.

[Tom Homan]

I'm a, I'm a senior advisor to the President. Term border czar, not my term, but that's what they're nicknamed it. But I can guarantee you, Tucker, and to your listeners this borders are. It's going to do a hell of a lot better than the last borders are. I've actually, I've already been aboard three times and I'm not even in Auschwitz yet.

[Tucker Carlson]

I gotta. I cannot resist asking you, what are these drones in New Jersey?

[Tom Homan]

I don't know. I've talked to people in the intelligence community. Some think it's. Some are from an Iranian ship, but I haven't got access to intelligence reports. I know one thing, maybe it's. Maybe the news is right. Maybe they're civilian drill. Maybe they're all legal. I just find it hard to believe. I can't believe this administration has taken action on it. I guarantee you if President Trump was sitting in Oval Office, every one of them would have blown out the sky by now. I don't know factually because I don't see the intelligence reports. I'm not in yet, but I find it highly suspicious that the administration is saying they're all legal and lawful and that they pose no harm to the communities. I don't buy it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Do you think that other members of the incoming Trump administration have been briefed on what the current administration thinks they are?

[Tom Homan]

I do not know. I'm hoping they have. I mean, they should have, but I don't know. I just saw one congressman from New Jersey said he got information from Iranian summit.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, I saw that.

[Tom Homan]

And I've also talked to friends in the intelligence community that off the record thought the same thing, but I have no direct knowledge of it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Bizarre.

[Tom Homan]

By guarantee, within a few days the Trump gated White House will find out.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, I think that's. I, I believe that. I believe that to be true. So of the so you've described, I think really well the problem and how you plan to secure the border, the deportations was that was the second goal you had of three. How many of those 12 million do you think are eligible, can be deported?

[Tom Homan]

Well, we know there's. Right now we got over 1.7 million with final orders, removal, already been order removed that haven't been removed.

[Tucker Carlson]

Okay, so that's just a gimme. That's easy.

[Tom Homan]

We got 700,000, 780,000 illegal aliens with criminal convictions. They're going to be priority one. Then we get, you know, like I said, we got criminals, national security threats and fugitives. These are the ones I thought the 1.7, I think the last number was of people who had due process, a great tax preparation order removed. They need to go, we'll find them, then we take the rest. I mean, everybody says, how many illegal aliens can you remove in a year? I don't know. I'll find out when I get into office. How many positions do I have? What does my money look like? How much money do I have to buy beds? We need detention badge people don't understand. You don't arrest somebody and just deport them that day. We have to detain them and work out arrangements for their home country to get travel documents. And they have to accept that. Yeah, they're a national of ours. And there's a process we go through anywhere from a few days to a few weeks. So we have to detain these people. So how many beds can I fortify by? Because if I don't have beds, it's gonna be hard to do this. How much money do I have with transportation contracts, whether over the ground or in the air? And can other agencies be involved? I know I specifically have requested that DoD be involved. They can do non enforcement duty. What that does is so the officers wearing a badging gun with immigration authority, they shouldn't be driving a bus. They shouldn't be building infrastructure on the southwest border, south side facilities. They shouldn't be doing the intelligence, they shouldn't be doing the targeting. Right. As much non enforcement work as possible. Contract that out, have DOD do a lot of it. And that releases those badges and guns to the street where they're really needed. So what other agencies are involved? Is DoD gonna be a part of this? Take off the non enforcement duties off our shoulders. So hopefully I'll find out really fast what we have. I know right now my Source is at ICE. They're already $300 million in the hole. So I'm hoping Congress will provide us with huge funding through the conciliation process. That's my hopes and I know. I talked to Lindsey Graham yesterday.

[Tucker Carlson]

Or deportation.

[Tom Homan]

Yeah. Lindsey Graham yesterday said he's working on an astronomical bill. Be more money than we've ever seen before. I hope that's true. I just don't want to be held up in this tax bill because that's going to take six or eight months and it gets watered down by the time we get it, and it's just ridiculous.

[Tucker Carlson]

Have you. I mean, is there some legal way to designate Americans, just for a temporary period as Ukrainians and just tell the Congress that money's going to Ukrainians?

[Tom Homan]

Wouldn't that be great?

[Tucker Carlson]

That would expedite it, don't you think? Here's $200 billion.

[Tom Homan]

They're spending money defending the Ukrainian border. But it would be nice if they gave us just a piece of that action, because they got a lot of money. I'm hoping and praying that this is going to be different than the first Trump administration, when he had the Senate in the House the first two years. I'm hoping they come to the table and I'll help this president succeed. So funding is paramount. We're only going to be as successful as the funding we're given to get this job done.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, I'm no expert, but I know members of Congress, most of them, and I know that they only respond to pain, unfortunately. And you just have to threaten them, and you're going to lose your seat, and we're going to call you out by name and make you unpopular in your state, and your career will be over unless you obey immediately. Normal people. You don't. You can reason with normal people. And love motivates people. I mean, I doubt, like, in your house, you and your wife are threatening each other. You probably love each other saying nice things to each other, but members of Congress are not normal people. And you really just have to, you know, grab them by the face and say, do this or suffer. And they will respond to that. So I hope you will do that.

[Tom Homan]

Yeah. There's a lot of media outlets right now. I think they're trying to shame us, saying how expensive this operation is going to be. It's just incredible.

[Tucker Carlson]

More expensive than letting in 12 million people and giving them cell phones, vouchers and free medical care? And I explain destroying our hospitals. Yeah.

[Tom Homan]

First of all, what price you put on national security? What price you put on Lake and Riley's life and so many other little girls? It's going to be a cost savings for American people. Right now we're spending billions of dollars on free airline ticket, free hotel room. Not even mention the cost of schools and trauma centers and hospitals and social services in perpetuity. Yeah, it's going to be expensive.

[Tucker Carlson]

It's destroyed rural America. I mean, flat out. I live there.

[Tom Homan]

It'll be expensive right out of the gate. But in the long run, we're going to save American taxpayers billions of dollars by getting this country back to the rule of law.

[Tucker Carlson]

What's the point of a government except to ensure safety and tranquility for its people? I mean, what is the point other than to obviously kick out Assad and secure the borders of Ukraine, which are the top priorities, I think, listed in the Constitution. But after that, you know, taking care of your own people seems to be important also.

[Tom Homan]

Well, that's why President Trump won this election. He's put America. He's put America first. That's why I came. Look, this is the second time I came back from retirement to serve this president because, like I said, I've been doing this a long time, and I'm at a point now where I wake up every day pissed off. The first day I woke up with a smile on my face was the day after the election, because I knew we can fix this. I knew by fixing it, you save lives. Secure borders save lives.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yes, Right.

[Tom Homan]

Even when you. When you get 100% of the agents on the line doing their job, rather than changing diapers, making baby forms like hospital runs, more fentanyl seized, which means less fentanyl deaths, less people, less got away, which means less sex trafficking, women, children, less known as spectacle, terrorists, even. The wall saves lives. And people say Trump's vanity wall. No, that's America's wall. First of all, every place, they build a border barrier, illegal immigration, reduce illegal drug flow, reduce. What people don't want to talk about is how many lives it saves. The most vulnerable of those that come to the country, the women, children, can't get over that wall, which means they're going to a place where there's not a wall. And what's waiting on them, the men and women wearing that green uniform, the finest 1% this country has, who are going to take care of their medical needs first because they're in a lot of bad shape when they get there. Men and women of Border Patrol save thousands of lives every year. Of course, the left wants to call them, you know, haters and storm troopers and they want to, you know, slander the men of the Horse Patrol for what they did. And still no policy to this day. Men and women in Border Patrol save a lot of lives. Border wall saves lives. And under Trump administration, the number of deaths were very, very low. Both Americans and illegal aliens under Joe Biden, we're just, I think we're just short of 4,000 aliens have died crossing the border. While you and I are talking right now, while you and I having this discussion, women are being raped by members of the cartels as a part of the crossing through that border. A child's going to die today, either drown in a river or be lost in the dead or abandoned by these cartels. They think the. The government's getting close to them. They'll dump people and save their own skin and put these. Look how many children have been abandoned at the border. Border patrol's found a lot of them. I guarantee bor patrol didn't find all of them. There's some toddlers they're going to find someday.

[Tucker Carlson]

So it's so evil. I mean, I know that in el Salvador, when Ms. 13 ran the country before Bukele, there was a religious component of kind of voodoo witchcraft component to MS.13 where they were worshiping the devil openly. It's a component of the cartels. You see it in Mexico as well, all through Latin America. Is that. Have you come across that?

[Tom Homan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Tucker Carlson]

They worship death and like formally worship it?

[Tom Homan]

Oh, yeah, yeah. There's. I won't call them religious. You know, some places that even the Texas dps have found, some of these places where the cartels are operating, they got, you know, statues, statute there in memorabilia, worshiping death as a consequence of not allowing them to do their business.

[Tucker Carlson]

Right. And these are from cultures that have practiced human sacrifice for thousands of years.

[Tom Homan]

I got a video on my phone showing a member of the cartel skinning a man alive. Skinning him alive on video to send a message to anybody. If you push back on the cartels, if you snitch on the cartels, they're not gonna just kill you. They're gonna make you suffer immensely. I got sent in this video by some intelligence community and I'm a pretty tough guy, but I can't watch all of it.

[Tucker Carlson]

No, of course not.

[Tom Homan]

When they skin somebody live and the pain that man went through, this is what they do. That's why Ms. 13. They don't just shoot somebody, they hack them up. Me and president Trump, remember when we did operation matador in long island, we arrested just short of 500 gang members and llama MS.13. During the press conference, President Trump referred to these people as animals. And of course, Nancy Pelosi, reciprocal people are nuts. These are people you refer to she's an animal, actually. Then they came to me and says, I said, I don't know what President Trump has against animals, but animals kill to survive. Ms. 13 kills with pleasure. They're much worse than animals.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, it's witchcraft. It's human sacrifice. And they've, I mean, again, they're from cultures that have practiced it for, well, since the beginning of recorded history.

[Tom Homan]

So train Dagwa and the rest of them, they're on notice. Their days of coming over here and committing crimes and victimizing this country over. And a lot of people are pushing back, say, well, you can't remove them to Venezuela. They're going to be removed and if Venezuela won't take them, well, it's on someplace else. But they're not staying here. So turning the Iowa's done a lot of harm in this country, as you know, rape, murder of little girls and the theft and the organized crime they've instilled in major cities this country. President Trump put them on notice. Our gang is bigger than their gang.

[Tucker Carlson]

I hope so.

[Tom Homan]

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[Tom Homan]

Foreign.

[Tucker Carlson]

The US military refused, flat out refused. Generals refused to secure the border. What do you think of that?

[Tom Homan]

It's a shame. I mean, DOD's helped a lot of administrations. They helped the bomb administration, they helped the Clinton administration.

[Tucker Carlson]

What's the point of sending them a trillion and a half dollars every year? Is there a reason that we do that?

[Tom Homan]

Well, I think we've proven that the southwest border is a huge national security vulnerability. I think it's a perfect place for the military to be.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah, bigger than Syria.

[Tom Homan]

I would say it's more of a national security vulnerability than Ukraine or Syria or anyplace else. So I think President Trump's not going to take no for an answer. He is the President of the United States. He's going to make this work. And DoD will be a part of this operation. We need them. We can make a bigger impact if they can do some of the things that don't require a badge and gun for us. And that puts more badging guns on the street than ruts bad guys. They're an imperative part of this operation. Other agencies we need help from, I'd like to see the U.S. marshals be a part of that, the FBI be a part of it. I've actually shut down my LinkedIn account because I've gotten thousands of accounts. Thousands. Retired Borg patrol agents, retired ICE agents, retired police officers, retired military, all want to come back and help this operation. And I'm hoping we can rehired a lot of these people re hired annuities. But these, you know, especially the retired board police and license agents, they know the fourth Amendment. They know they can do and don't do. A lot of them speak Spanish. They know how to use the processing systems. They know the game, they're good at it. So one of the first things I'm going to be working on is bring a lot of these retired agents back and let them help us do this job. They're educated in immigration enforcement. They hit the ground running.

[Tucker Carlson]

I should have asked you this at the outset, but of the 12 million that you described, you came here illegally under Biden. Where were they from?

[Tom Homan]

Roughly 181 different countries.

[Tucker Carlson]

So how does. I won't ask.

[Tom Homan]

That's almost every country in the world. You think about it, it's.

[Tucker Carlson]

I think they're what, 199, you know, so there were none from Vana 2 or Seychelles, but the rest came. But how was the breakdown like you think of illegal immigration? Well, when I was a kid it was from Mexico. I don't think it is anymore. Then it was Central America, then it was South America. Roughly what was the breakdown?

[Tom Homan]

Can you remember? Mexicans still national. Mexico still lead.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh really?

[Tom Homan]

Yeah. El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, close second. I mean those four countries make up a majority. But what concerns me is the country that we never had much activity from. Yes, you know, 46,000 Chinese.

[Tucker Carlson]

What's that?

[Tom Homan]

It scares the hell out of me because a lot of our military age males, 46,000 military age males, don't leave China without the coordination approval of the Chinese government. That just don't happen. Russians, we got over, I think last Look, I have 27,000 Russians. People from Turkey, Syria, Iran, Iraq.

[Tucker Carlson]

Big Africa too. It's just how many from Africa do you think?

[Tom Homan]

I don't have that on top of my head. But special interest countries, numbers like we've never seen before and that we can't property vet them. That's one thing I've been screaming about two years. Secretary Mayorkas gets up there and said they're all property vetted. Vetted against what? Because we don't have criminal data from El Salvador or Turkey or Syria. Do you think China's gonna give us any national security debt on their people or Russia? So you vet them against ncic, which we have. So unless you've been convicted or arrested in this country before and your fingerprints were taken, you're going to come back clean. Because we don't have access to most countries criminal data. A lot of these countries don't have criminal data. Right. You think Haiti has an ncic? Absolutely don't. So they say they vent and they don't vet them properly. And when it comes to terrorist vetting, beyond the criminal vetting, how about terrorist vetting? You and I both know most terrorists in this world aren't in any database unless they were part of a T3 operation or caught on chatter or encountered on a battlefield by a soldier. And biometrics were taken. We don't know who they are, where they're at. And so even they say they vet them through these terrorist databases don't really mean a lot. But here's one thing that hasn't been talked about a lot. And I've talked to several whistleblowers in border patrol. So they arrest somebody from one of these countries, they vet them through the bureau. But there have been such a push by this administration. Process quick release quick because there's no overcrowding, there's nothing to see here, border secure. They process and release so quickly. Sometimes the vetting came back after they released and they were hot. At least two occasions this has happened. ICE actually found one later on.

[Tucker Carlson]

They're hot. Meaning what? They've got.

[Tom Homan]

They were, they're a positive hit on the terrorist database. Person of interest. So that's going to change. I mean, we have to detain these people. And Trump administration went and catch and release. Either you're going to be sent back to Mexico, we detain you. The only thing that I'm concerned with is the Zavadas Supreme Court ruling. There's a ruling called Zavadas versus the U.S. it says you can only hold somebody up to six months for significant likelihood of removal. So if we have a country that absolutely not take them back at the end of six months, we got a decision to make. Either we move into a cooperating third country. We have to release them. Unless we can prove want to send them to Mexico.

[Tucker Carlson]

If they came through more than Mexico. Deal with it. That's part of the Claudia lady. Deal with it.

[Tom Homan]

That's part of the plan. We're hoping to do that, but the Zavidas ruling is terrible and we're hoping that now we got a better Supreme Court that needs to be re litigated to say we can only hold somebody for six months and there's a significant public safety threat just because this country says no, we don't want them. There's got to be a better way.

[Tucker Carlson]

I Wonder if the 47,000 Chinese that you mentioned, that's kind of what Fidel Castro did in 1980 with the Mariel boat lift. Just like empty the prisons and the mental hospitals. Why wouldn't they do that?

[Tom Homan]

Well, they have. Venezuela has.

[Tucker Carlson]

Venezuela has. Yes, but has China, do you think?

[Tom Homan]

I don't think so. I think China, these people came here for a purpose. As you know. You've done a lot of reporting. They got land around military bases. They're setting up shadow business here. I think China, between all these people they sent plus continuing to create the precursors that make fentanyl, they're trying to destroy this country. That's my personal.

[Tucker Carlson]

Well, they're selling drugs all over the country. They're selling drugs all over the state of Maine. Maine, Chinese nationals.

[Tom Homan]

And what does the Biden administration does to China about creating these fat nautilus that they sell to cartels in Mexico. What have they done? What have they done about the cartels? Nothing. President Trump's going to.

[Tucker Carlson]

No, because fentanyl has killed the exact Americans that Biden hates and is always attacking. So I mean it's committed genocide against his enemies. So he's. He doesn't seem against it at all. It's all very dark. I have to wonder. You said you used the phrase military age males because this was so coordinated by these NGOs, Catholic Charities, UN and others. You have to kind of wonder like, is there some military purpose to this invasion? Have you wondered that?

[Tom Homan]

I wondered every day.

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah.

[Tom Homan]

I can't wait to get in pounder and start driving, drilling down these files. Who are these people? Who'd you release? What kind of vetting did you do? Did you take biometric biographic data?

[Tucker Carlson]

Yeah. High testosterone. Foreigners. Yeah, I don't know I mean, why. I mean, but I don't want to be paranoid, but.

[Tom Homan]

But it's been very, you know, they don't talk about it, and it's very, you know, but when we get in power, we're going to have to pull all those records, find, you know, like, that's over 300,000 missing children. We got to pull those records from HHS. I'm sorry, I've been told.

[Tucker Carlson]

What is that? 300,000 missing children. That's something else I've read reference to.

[Tom Homan]

Look over half a million children trafficked into this country and they get turned over to custody of HHS officer Refugee resettlement. Who finds sponsors and release from the sponsors. I've talked to several whistleblowers, say they weren't even fingerprinting the sponsors on many occasions and not doing proper vetting. We have a whistleblower who testified in front of Congress now three times. A lot of these children seem to be victims of trafficking. They released unvetted sponsors and many children will be released to one sponsor. The one whistleblower blower said there was 11 young girls released in one male, single male. Maybe it's all innocent, maybe it's not.

[Tucker Carlson]

But there's nothing innocent. That's sick.

[Tom Homan]

No. And look, the CBP1 app, they shut that down because of massive fraud. One of the insiders in CBP told me, for example, one dead man sponsored over 1,600 people been dead for years. Massive fraud, massive trafficking involved. And when they Talked about opening CBP1 app to do that, I said at the time, before they even implement it, if you do this, it's going to create a huge trafficking network. Or if you're in, if you, if you're from Cuba, Nicaragua, Nicaragua, Haiti or Venezuela, you want to come to the United States under this CHNV program, you just got to find a sponsor want to take care of you. How many sick pedophiles would be willing to sponsor anybody from one of those four countries to come live in the United States? They have to get here. You own them. All you got to do is, you know, you their official sponsor. Without you, they can't stay. And what are these sick sponsors? Not all of them, but many of these are going to be predators and sick people. What are they going to do to these people who are trying to stay in this country? It's a huge human trafficking issue, I guarantee you.

[Tucker Carlson]

And by human trafficking, is it mostly for prostitution?

[Tom Homan]

Prostitution or forced labor? Mainly those two things.

[Tucker Carlson]

So if you go to any construction site, in the big construction site, they're building a data center or a mall. I know this because I know a guy in the business just told me this. Anyone in the United States, there will be child prostitutes there from Latin America brought in by the cartels for the guys on the cruise. And I said, does everyone know this? Everyone knows it. I mean, it's a fact. Every big construction site in the United States, does anyone ever do anything about it? No. No one ever does anything about it.

[Tom Homan]

Wait till January 21st.

[Tucker Carlson]

I don't understand that, though.

[Tom Homan]

No.

[Tucker Carlson]

If everyone in the building trades knows that, how can law enforcement ignore it?

[Tom Homan]

We're not going to starting January 21st. Good. But I can tell you, look, of the over 300,000 this government lost track of, I guarantee you, as I said here today, we'll find many enforced labor, we'll find many enforced sex trafficking. That's a sad thing. We're going to find them. So that's why President Trump's taking it seriously. We got to save. We got to save these women and children who are put in this position. The immigration consequences will still come, but first, we got to save and get these kids. As far as the kids, over 300,000. We got to save these kids. A lot of them are living life hell every day. And I guarantee you we're going to find ice. HSI has already found some of these children. Meatpacking plants, cleaning up entrails on a midnight shift. We're going to find some living with pedophiles. We'll find some are in sex slavery, some are going to be dead. But we got to find these children. And President Trump made that a third rail of priorities. And it's something that needs to be done. This administration stopped the DNA testing. They stopped the proper vetting under the Trump administration. We were having the same problem in the beginning. We did DNA testing. You weren't a family unless DNA testing showed you a family. And we did vetting. We didn't just vet the sponsor fully, we vetted everybody in their household to make sure there wasn't a pedophile living in that house, make sure there wasn't someone arrested with domestic violence in that house. This administration stopped all that because Becerra, the secretary of hhs, he gets on stage and brags, and I saw him on a stage bragging how quick we release these kids from government custody. We got a machine here. It's like the Ford plant. We get them in and out of here. Yeah, because you stopped the proper vetting, you stopped DNA testing, and God help you for what you did to these children, because a lot of these children are living life of hell every day. So we got to find these kids.

[Tucker Carlson]

It's unbelievable. So, last question. I'm just interested in why you're doing this. So you did it for 40 years? Yeah, 1984. 40 years. And then you go into the private sector and you're not retired, but you get to do kind of what you want to do and make a real wage after working for the government all these years. And this problem is just so enormous and the bureaucracy is so complex and hard to fight and they always win in the end. Why would you take this job?

[Tom Homan]

Well, because I love my country. First of all, we made more progress on the southern border than ever before in the first Trump administration. I was vice director, like it was it. I'm taking an 82% pay cut.

[Tucker Carlson]

Oh, I bet.

[Tom Homan]

And I'm going back to government paycheck. And thank God my wife supports me. She said if I don't take the job, she's going to divorce me because she don't want to keep me waking up every day mad at the world because I didn't come back.

[Tucker Carlson]

So your wife's not a liberal?

[Tom Homan]

No, no, she's not. You know, I say this many times because of things I've seen in my career. I mean, I stood in the back of a tractor trailer. I grew up in a town of 2,500 people. Either you milk cows or you're a logger or you worked at Fort Drum. It's the only three things you did where I grew up. So I grew up in town 2500. I fast forward. I'm sitting, I'm standing back with trailer, tractor trailer with 19 dead people at my feet that baked to death in back to the tractor trailer, including a five year old little boy who suffocated death. And on top of him was his father who was trying to protect him during that investigation. They said that old boy begged his father not to let him die because he wanted to see his mom again. Begged over and over again. You know, here's a five year old little boy who knew he was dying and asked his dad for help. And his dad, you know his dad can't help him, right?

[Tucker Carlson]

No.

[Tom Homan]

I've talked to little girls as young as 9 or raped multiple times by members of the cartel. Not once, numerous times. Grown men crawled upon this little girl. Took everything innocent and pure from her. Her life would never be the same. Look in her eyes. There wasn't life in her eyes. It's Just little girls devastated for life. And this happens every day. When they unsecured the border on purpose, I wrote an op ed of Fox News and I says, if Joe Biden wins the presidency, we lose the border. When you lose the border, trafficking or sex trafficking will skyrocket. Child deaths will skyrocket. Migrant deaths will skyrocket. American deaths will skyrocket from drugs coming across that border. I wake up already pissed off for four years. So. And I've been on numerous networks complaining about it. So when President Trump calls me up, says, you've been complaining about for four years, you want to come fix it, how do you say no? First of all, you don't say no to the President of the United States. And second of all, I won't say no to secure. I love this country. I want to save some lives, secure border, save lives. I'm going to come back, do what I can. I guarantee you what we're going to do is going to save migrant lives. It's going to save American lives. It's going to protect our national security. That's why I'm coming back. Not for the pay. I tell you that I'm coming back because after three and a half decades doing this job, do you understand it? Do you understand the tragedies happen around it? The more secure that border is, the more lives we save. So I can rest. When I retire for the third time, I can say I did my part to save some lives and maybe less. Children are being exploited and women have been exploited by these cartels. And my number one goal is seeing these cartels wipe off the face of the earth. I think President Trump's the guy to do it.

[Tucker Carlson]

Of everyone appointed, I think you got the best shot of winning because you know exactly what you want to do. Tom, thank you very much.

[Tom Homan]

Appreciate it. Thank you.

[Tucker Carlson]

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