B (6:02)

Yeah, nothing that. Other than that, I can promise my life is better than it looks here. Well, maybe it is. I'm not recording this under duress. And the date today is April 9th, so, yeah, it got. I mean, it took me five years to get over the sound of my own voice, so I don't know, I guess I'll get over this by the time of the 2030 World cup or something. But at least people can see my really cool 1980s Boca Junior shirt. So that is cool, man.

C (6:30)

Looking. Looking good. So, los muchachos. Okay. There's been two big pieces of media on this group in the last few years. The guy who made coke and cowboys came out with a doc series on them for Netflix a few years ago called the Kings of Miami. It's good. And T.J. english, who for my money, is the best organized crime author out there, and someone whose books we've used as the basis for a number of episodes, just came out with a book on them called the Last Kilo. Always buy his books, definitely support him. That ended up being the primary source for this episode, which, as we'll see, the doc series and the book differ on a few main aspects of the story, and that's because of who their sources are. But we'll get to that in time. Augusto Willy Falcone is born in Cuba in a small town outside Havana in 1955. He grows up on a 60 acre farm that his family owns, but of course, that doesn't last long. Castro comes to power in 1959, and then appropriations start Castro seizing assets of not only foreign companies, but also Cuban citizens. The Falcone family, like many, decides to get out and are able to leave the country in 1966 and head to the States. From 1959 to 1973, 300,000 Cubans settle in and around Miami. That is a whole lot of Cubans. And, you know, I love a good cafe con leche. And Miami does not disappoint in that regard. While coming up, Willie stands out. He's liked by everyone. By the time he's a teen, he's got a good solid crew of friends, including a guy named Sal Magaluta. Remember the name. But despite being smart, school isn't for Willie. South Florida, even before the coke floods, it is going through a massive construction boom. There's money all over, and Willie drops out of high school with a different pal, not Sal, to join the construction nc. But despite being smart, school isn't for Willie. South Florida, even before the Koch money floods, it is going through a massive construction boom, there's money all over. And Willie drops out of high school with a different pal, not Sal, to join the construction industry. Sort of like a young Sean Williams, who I think, what do they call in the uk, Sean? Like builders, right? That's. It's so cute.

B (8:36)

Oh yeah. Well, I guess we could get into like chippies, Sparky's and dunny divers. But I did the other way around. I dropped out of construction to get into journalism is probably dumbest financial move anyone could ever make. So what?

C (8:50)

I mean, think about what your pension could look like right now.

B (8:52)

Oh, what pension? What is that?

C (8:54)

Like many other young Cubans and old ones, I guess he and his buds also get involved in the also booming anti Castro movement in Miami. Rallies, marches, that kind of stuff. Willie Falcone though, makes his presence known and soon enough he and his boys get approached by some of the higher ups in the movement. And these guys aren't what you're thinking in terms of like activists, right? They're not, they're not college kid kind of nerds. They are serious business, well known and dangerous veterans of the failed Bay of Pigs invasion. When Cuban exiles, with the help of the CIA tried to overthrow Castro and clearly did not do a good job. We've done a bunch on Cuban organized crime starting in the 50s. I won't get into it too much, but if you want a deep understanding of it, our episode on the corporation and Jose Miguel, that's where you'll find it. Now these guys have a ton of shady contacts. The older guys, including the CIA, who are trying to stop Castro's influence from spreading to other Latin American countries. Willie and his pal are called to a meeting at a motel near the Miami airport where they're told that the primary objective for now is to stop Castro and communism in Nicaragua by defeating the Sandinistas, who are a revolutionary group. They're fighting a civil war and while they have the support of the CIA. They need weapons and those weapons cost money. Now those guys have contacts in Honduras to get sizable amounts of cocaine which they plan to smuggle into the states, sell and then use the proceeds for financing the Contras. Who are the ones fighting? The Sandinistas? Willie and his buddy. They are into it. It's not every day you get to walk into a massive cocaine smuggling operation with no real experience and just kind of get handed the keys to it to do it for a cause you support. I mean, we should all be so lucky. Cocaine too. I mean, at this point it's not viewed the way we view cocaine now or society views cocaine now. And when I mean society, I mean like, like American society, like the Midwest, right? In like suburban towns. Not like in Bushwick or wherever Sean used to hang out in Berlin. You know, it's. The drug was not super prevalent in 1976. It was seen as glamorous. It didn't have this reputation that it does now. Len Bias doesn't even OD for another 10 years.

B (11:05)

Actually, this reading this just sent me down a rabbit hole in the history of the drug. Like pbs. There was a piece saying cocaine addiction peaked. It peaks in the US at 10.4 million addicts in 1982, which is like almost 5% of the population. This like crazy boom industry or terrible addiction crisis.

C (11:26)

That is crazy. Were there a hundred million people in the. No, it's 200 million, right, in the US then. Yeah, that is 200 million. Yeah, it is pretty insane. I would say it also probably peaks then because crack comes onto the scene right around then. Right. So I assume you get a lot more crack addicts and a lot less coke addicts, but still, that is. Yeah, that's insane. I mean, how do they define addicts? Talking like a cheeky Friday and Saturday night. Once in a while we talk in like, like everyday use. What's the definition here? I don't know.

B (11:52)

Maybe you want to. Maybe you want to survey some people down at the studio and ask them what they think about that.

C (11:58)

The plan for Willie and his friends moving on, who are both well connected and well liked in the Cuban community, was to help distribute that A1 perico to young Cuban hustlers to move on the street and then use those profits obviously to finance the anti caster ops, which is pretty simple, just classic Cold war shenanigans, you know, and they get right to business. Willy's crew gets 65 kilos in their first shipment, making 10 to 15k on profit on each kilo. Even with having to give some of that profit to the movement. They're still making some serious cash, Especially when you keep in mind he's only 19 years old. After getting the product, they use their contacts to unload the kilos all over. They have a friend who owns a nightclub who takes some. Someone knew someone else who owns a beauty salon. He's in. They also know a lawyer who happens to represent the Hell's Angels and is able to broker a deal with them. And on and on it goes. It's all very beginnings of the movie below. It takes them about a month to get rid of those first 65 kilos, which is, you know, pretty fast time to move that. The second load is 100 kilos. And that time, Willie and his pal actually help reload the plane with the duffel bags full of weapons that are heading to Central America.

B (13:05)

Yeah, I was going to say a month to get rid of 65ks is no time at all. And they just like, what? They're still incredibly young. This is nuts. Grind.

C (13:16)

Yeah, they got. They got. Like you said, they got the hustle, man. These kids are not messing around. So as they Prepare for their fourth load, which is now up to 140 kilos, Willie's buddy has been with him since the start. Hurts himself. He can't really help out. So Willie turns to his old buddy from growing up that I mentioned earlier, Sal Magluda, another neighborhood kid. This is a critical juncture in Miami's cocaine era because Sal is a sharp guy who helps really change things. He had come to the US from Cuba in 1961 in Operation Pedro Pan, which is kind of like a hilarious name for an operation to help out Hispanic kids. Pedro Pan, like who? I mean, I don't know. It's basically an undercover transport of 14,000 Cuban kids to the US between 1960 and 1962, sent by their parents, who feared what would happen if they stayed in communist Cuba. Sal becomes Willy's most visible partner. They had grown up together. They went to high school together. They played sports together. At the time, Sal was working as an accountant at a bank after getting his ged. And because he had dropped out of Miami High school, Willie knew Sal had skills that Willie just didn't have when it came to things like organization, being able to keep financial ledgers, you know, the sort of money man stuff. This duo forms the foundation for the crew of young Cuban exiles that come to be known as los muchachos. The fourth shipment then takes place in March of 1977. And by now, Willie and His crew have established a really good distribution network, which kind of becomes their calling card. They're even surprised themselves at how much appetite there is for cocaine. Around 30% of their clients are buying from out of town or buyers from out of town who are taking it to distribute in other cities like LA, New York, Houston, Atlanta, and more. On that fourth shipment, they make $2.5 million, which would be more than 13 million today. Now, the documentary series Cocaine Cowboys the Kings of Miami, that came out in 2021. It tells a different origin story than the book by T.J. english. The doc, which is done by the guy I said who did the original Cocaine Cowboys doc, focuses on a different member of the operation by the name of Jorge Valdez. We'll get into Valdez a little later. He's now kind of a YouTube guy who goes on, like, DJ Vlad and stuff. So I inherently don't trust him, but, you know, still.

B (15:29)

Well, I mean, I should point out this at this juncture that we are. We are doing this now as video. So I don't know where it's right.

C (15:36)

I think that's why I keep telling myself at night, you can trust us. Yeah. He also, he's a witness against Willie and Sal in their later case, which, you know, spoiler alert, massive cocaine dealers usually get busted. But he provides the sort of origin story that's different from this one. And his story about the origins is that Willie and Sal start out selling weed, then they move on to retail coke. Grams, eight balls and then ounces. And then Valdez gives them their big chance with 30 keys. And later Valdez gets arrested and sells them as business and suppliers. Obviously, this kind of serves his interest. It makes him look like the kingpin. In T.J. english's book, Willie Falcone is the main source, and that book is the main source for this episode. So keep that in mind. It also serves Willie's interest to be like, listen, you know, we started out as anti Castro guys, and the government was okay with us selling it when it was time to take down Castro. So, you know, as is often the case, I think, with this historical stuff, when we do these episodes and organized crime stories, especially in general, competing sources with competing agendas. Where does the truth lie, Sean? Where does it lie?

B (16:41)

It's a. It's podcast, isn't it? It's got to be podcasts or else.

C (16:45)

Why?

B (16:45)

Why would people listen to us?

C (16:47)

I don't know. Anyway, Willie and Sal decide to strike out on their own without the older Cuban connections who had already set them up. In the game, they think they can make two to three times what they've been making and still give the same amount of money to anti Castro activities. These guys really do not like Castro. All they need to figure out is one simple thing. A constant supply of drugs. And they do. They manage to link up with a trafficker from Medellin through another Cuban connection. In the first shipment, they hide the drugs in the engine blocks of heavy machinery like Caterpillar, you know, bulldozers, cranes, things like that. The Cuban exile community. Meanwhile, they really understand the need for secrecy. Willie and Sal use that community, their friends, their relatives, to store their cash and to help out with other things. They're bringing in carpenters to build secret hidden compartments in normal households that they pay between like $50,000 and $100,000 a month to store the money, while also instructing them, like, don't spend this money lavishly. Don't draw attention to themselves. I mean, 100k a month to store cash is pretty good. Not a bad gig. And they monitor the homeless by keeping security personnel in cars nearby or sometimes just buying a house close to the stash house. These guys are careful and they're also not violent. They're actually kind of the opposite of Cowboys. Also in 1977, they come up with the genius idea to stamp their cocaine bricks with the name Los Muchachos after it arrives in Miami. And after one or two loads, someone kind of realizes this is very stupid, which, of course it is, so they stop. But the name stuck as everyone liked Los Muchachos, which, you know, I kind of do too. Like, it just sounds like a really cool Mexican band that does sick accordion solos and wears cowboy hats. And Mexican cowboy culture just really is awesome and rules.

B (18:31)

It's so cool, man. It's like, it's the best. Can you imagine how good the World Cup's going to be next year? I got to go. We should. We should actually go. I'm not joking. We should do a special down in Guadalajara. I want that guacamole with the little smooshed up white bait I had like three years ago.

C (18:47)

It's just.

B (18:48)

I don't know, it's just making me hungry thinking about it. It's lucky that my laptop's not currently resting on, I don't know, a food box on top of my son's high chair. Or I'd be thinking about eating all the way through this record, but luckily. Oh, wait, no, let's carry on.

C (19:04)

Focus. Wait, where is it? Is it all over Mexico? Is it gonna Be like in Oaxaca and. Or is it just bigger cities?

B (19:10)

It's in, it's in Guadalajara, Monterrey and. And city mx. It's going to be like I would go down and you could do. I've already done, I've already done all the logistics. You could do two, there are two weeks, there are games in each city that you could go to. And I want to do that because I'm turning 40 and I want to make that my big thing as well as coming to New York because I'm going to make it. I'm going to milk my 40th for everything is worth.

C (19:34)

Anyway, what do you think the, the odds are of the Mexican people in charge of the World cup, like the Mexican World cup sort of association, wanting to sponsor a podcast that does a lot of episodes on Mexican cartels?

B (19:48)

Pretty strong. Yeah, I, I think, I think it will dig into their culture in a way that most podcasts don't and will treat the subject with the care and attention that it needs. Guys, when you make it happen or listening.

C (20:02)

Okay. So of course, of course these guys, they're not the only ones who realize that selling cocaine was a good way to make a whole lot of money very quickly. And by the late 1970s, Miami is becoming a war zone. There's a bunch of murders all over. The streets are getting shot up like crazy. This is around the start of the Groeschel DeBlanco era, which we did an episode on a while back where Colombians are running around just killing people like crazy. The guys, they're somewhat insulated from the violence because it's mostly street level at that point. And they are wholesalers, and not just regular wholesalers, the biggest wholesalers. They have a meeting, they discuss the violence and they decide to mostly keep their own dispensing of violence to a minimum and sort of as a business policy. And speaking of Griselda, they do start to grow concerned because the Colombian connect that they have, who has become a major importer into Miami is starting to do business with her and they start looking for a new plug and one of their guys who was helping them with their taxes introduces them to a different Colombian connect. That guy helping them with their taxes is none other than Jorge George Valdez, who we mentioned earlier as being one of the main sources of that time period in the Cocaine Cowboys Doc series. Anyway, the Colombian they're introduced to is an old time smuggler who has a decades long career of smuggling everything and recently switched to the cocaine business because, I mean, it's the cocaine business you see the profit margins. He's connected in Colombia and immediately connects them to smugglers in Cali and Medellin. Los Muchachos already have some pilots they know from their previous sort of operations. So they get a move on it and things start flourishing. 250 kilo loads valued at 15 million are not uncommon. They've got their pilots landing at secret airstrips in the Colombian jungle, loading up and coming back to the States.

B (21:41)

Is this. Is this the Barry Seal stuff? Or was he. Was he working for another guy who I'm sure is going to come up in this episode at some point.

C (21:48)

So I couldn't find a connection between them and Barry Seale, which is interesting. I think Seal was dealing directly with the Colombian cartels himself. So I'm not. I'm not positive on that. But I don't think Seal was working for Los Muchachos.

B (22:01)

Interesting.

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B (24:54)

That's hilarious, man. It's just drug dealers, like, making boats go quicker so they can not get arrested.

C (24:59)

Got to have hobbies.

B (25:00)

Yeah, I mean, it's like we should do. We should do another, like, sport and crime episode soon. I remember the Whitey Bulger and High Alaia episode. That was pretty weird. There's some mad stuff happening in Afghan football at the moment linked to, like, crime laws, heroin there. I think. I think I'm going to try and get into that. Editors. I'm available for assignment in Kabul in Taliban controlled Afghanistan. FYI, it's quite a long way from here, but I'm worth it.

C (25:28)

You are. You are. By 1978, the boys are importing a thousand kilos a month. Willie and Sal purchase thousands of acres on a property 95 miles north of Miami in the middle of nowhere. They want their own landing strip inland, away from Miami and the Keys. They developed the property into being a legitimate farm and cattle ranch with thousands of cattle. And they bribed the local deputy sheriff with $700,000 to leave them alone. They also built a shooting range, which would come in handy when they let anti Sandinista dudes the contrast train there, which they did. They're still involved in a lot of anti communist activity. They're donating $500,000 every few months to the cause. And Willie even sometimes trains with the anti Sandinista rebels, because, you know, why not? But with all this expansion, they need more product. So they take a trip down to Colombia. They go to Cali to meet with the cartel there. Then they head to Medellin to meet with a rising narco star, none other than Pablo Escobar. He's not who he becomes, but he's starting to make big moves. They become so buddy buddy with Escobar that he comes to celebrate New Year's Eve 1979 with them in Vegas. Soon after, though, Willie and Sal get indicted for conspiracy to distribute cocaine. Though both postponed and are free to go. So it wasn't too big a charge. The news of the arrest appears on the front page of the Miami Herald. So while everyone in the tight knit Cuban exile community kind of pretty much knew what they were up to, now the general public does as well. The case, though, it's not super strong. It's really messy. There's dozens of people arrested. It's all over the place. It also doesn't paint Sal and Willie as these massive kingpins that they both are. Both of them hire top notch mob defense attorneys and they get the guys a sweetheart deal. 14 months in jail. But they're free to remain out on bail until all their appeals are exhausted.

B (27:11)

Sweet. They. They actually do get convicted and they're shifting literally a ton of gear a month and they get 14 months. What kind of a f up is that from the cops?

C (27:21)

They didn't really have a ton of evidence on them. I mean, they were really good at what they did. I don't think they got them on moving a to ton of product, to be honest with you. You know, I also don't think, I mean, 79. I could be wrong, but there wasn't the super hard focus. No, I'm pretty sure there wasn't a huge like mandatory minimum or anything like that on. On federal. Federal trafficking of cooking.

B (27:41)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

C (27:42)

I. I could be wrong. I don't think I am, though. I think we talked about when does.

B (27:45)

The RICO come in? That's later, right?

C (27:47)

Rico's later. That's.

B (27:49)

Yeah.

C (27:49)

It might be late 70s. All this stuff happens. Late 70s, early 80s. But I think at this time it wasn't exactly there. I don't remember the specific year, but it's all around that time. Jorge Valdez is also now facing his own case. And the guys get their lawyer to back his defense. But this time, Willie is A proposition because he's currently not as liquid as he would like to be. He wants the lawyer to not only represent Valdez, but also represent any of his crew when they get into legal trouble. And also be a bit of a legal advisor to get a better understanding of the drug and money laws in the States. The proposal is this. They're going to give the lawyer 10 kilos off the top of any load they bring into the States. And the lawyer agrees. Which reminds me of that Breaking Bad quote you know about. You don't want a criminal lawyer. You want a criminal lawyer.

B (28:34)

Isn't that just ripped off Jay Z? Is that like, I ain't a businessman, I'm a businessman.

C (28:40)

Yeah. I mean that. I don't know if it's ripped off Jay Z, but that's a great line. That's a great Jay Z line.

B (28:44)

Yeah. Yeah.

C (28:45)

So the lawyer gets to work helping out right away. There's some issue with the Caribbean banks getting a little more, you know, a little more scrutiny to the money they're taking in. So he has them move their money from those banks to Panama. $250 million of it, and, you know, more foreshadowing, but I feel like every drug lord or narco or dealer in the 80s sent their money to Panama, but never really. Never really worked out for them in the end. In Panama, their money guy is one Guillermo Andara, who oversees their financials and shell companies and all that. And if you don't know who that guy is, I didn't either. Or why I'm dropping the name of a random Panamanian banker in the episode. Well, he becomes president of Panama in 1989, so we'll. We'll get there. Los muchachos are like shooting stars at this point. Only a few years in business and hundreds of millions of dollars in their pockets. Miami is awash with cocaine and cocaine cash. It's developing rapidly, and Willie and Sal are right in the middle of this boom. They're donating money to politicians, investing in all types of projects. Shopping malls, public parks, startups, everything. They're building five large apartment complexes, multiple shopping centers, all that. They're also donating to, you know, the community, sports stuff for local colleges and schools, like building stadiums, everything that they can.

B (30:03)

Yeah, I'm placing my hand on the Robin Hood Claxton over here.

C (30:06)

Yeah, I mean, they're definitely. They're definitely there. I didn't want to say it. I was waiting for you to jump in, but they're doing it, man. They're doing it in A big way. They also take time to, of course, enjoy the good life, as one does when they make a ton of money trafficking cocaine or move to Berlin in the early 20s and get really into wearing leather, as some podcast hosts do. They're doing a little bit of blow. They're hitting up the best nightclubs, they're cheating on their wives, supermodels, what one does in that world. And keep in mind, these guys are still in their early twenties at this point. Comparatively, though, they're still somewhat disciplined compared to a lot of the other guys who are making that kind of money at that point. So, yeah, we're in late 1980, early 1981, and that's when we get the cold open. The kidnapping and the realization that the guys weren't different enough to avoid Miami's coke violence. But they were a little different, though. They were smart, they operated differently. They had an almost unlimited supply, and they didn't care as much about insane profit margins, so they could undercut the competition. Willie explains it, quote, we didn't have no competitors, not really. You have to understand, mostly the cocaine business is based on consignment at the top. Colombian bosses like Escobar front the product to mid level dealers, other Colombians, Mexicans, Americans, whatever. Then those people sell it to other dealers or at the street level. That's a lot of pressure because the Colombians, they want their money. That's where all the violence comes in. Somebody is late on payment or they get ripped off or busted. But with us, we owned our cocaine. We bought it outright from the point of production in the jungle labs. We never took anything on consignment. Seems pretty smart. And as a wise philosopher once said, consignment is strictly for live men, not for freshmen. And if you ain't got the clientele, say, hell no. Because they're going to want their money. Rain, sleet, hail, snow. So, yeah, they're smart guys. They're making smart moves. But it's the 80s, you know, Ronnie Reagan is coming to town and.

A (31:59)

And he.

C (32:00)

He don't like the drugs. He gets elected and starts fighting the drug war hard. Putting together a $1.2 billion task force to counter the growing cocaine trade in South Florida. Throwing together the dea, FBI, Customs, the atf, the irs, even some assistance from.

B (32:16)

The US Military, all at the same time, while his boys are using drug money to fight the commies. Get in there.

C (32:24)

The guys are estimated at this point to be making $300 million a year. Willie even gets his younger brother Tavi involved, even though he had tried to keep him out, but it's such a tight knit family structure, it was only a matter of time. Even with that insane amount of cash, though, there are difficulties because the task force and surveillance, they can't fly their stuff into the ranch north of Miami anymore. So they adjust. They start flying loads to the Bahamas, Aruba, other Caribbean islands. And then they use those speedboats they love so much. Remember, these dudes loved racing speedboats and had a whole speedo company to bring it into the States. They go down to the Bahamas, they spread bribes around, they head to Aruba to meet Escobar and set them up with a Venezuelan colonel for some other smuggling operations. The Bahamas works well for a bit, but with the increased pressure on the Caribbean to Florida route from the war on drugs, by late 1983, it's clear they need to look elsewhere. And of course, where is elsewhere? Yep, Mexico. They link up with their bros from the Cali cartel and head to Mexico to meet the Guadalajara cartel, which we've mentioned a million times. It's a sort of origin story for all the Mexican cartels. The Mexican super cartel, where so many narcos earned their wings. Mayo Chapo, the Lord of the skies, etc. The Mexicans by then had perfected trafficking marijuana into the States, so making the leap into coke wasn't going to be all that difficult. It was actually going to be much easier because you have much smaller amounts of powder, don't smell like crazy, or it's easier to be hidden, easier to deal with. Sal and Willie are now some of the biggest, if not the biggest, cocaine importers into the States. At this time. The next two years, though, multiple people in the organization Los Muchachos face criminal indictment, including their lawyer. But the inner, inner circle seems to be okay. They're definitely nervous, though. They hire a new team of high profile lawyers that inform them that with the new drug laws, the government can seize any asset they have, even with no indictment. Meaning it's time to sell some stuff off. They start with their beloved ranch that they initially got to have their own private landing strip. But then there's a new, bigger problem, and that problem is Pablo Escobar. He's decided it's time to go to war with the Colombian state. And at this point, Willie and him are so close, they take their families to Disneyland together. And you don't want to be seen at theme parks. You know, the happiest place in the world with the guy fighting a war against the Colombian government. And you certainly don't Want to be in business with him. It's just. It's bad for business to have one of your top partners fighting a literal war against the country, you know, with bombing flights and killing politicians. And besides, Disneyland is a happy place, Sean. Maybe it's the happiest place on earth. So they say you can't be all about bombing civilian passenger jets at Disneyland.

B (35:03)

Is that. That's the one in, like, Anaheim.

C (35:06)

I get confused, man. One's in Anaheim, one's in Florida. I've been to both when I was a kid. I don't remember much.

B (35:10)

Yeah, I remember once I was in the. I went on, like, my first big foreign holiday with my parents to the Orlando one, and I had a massive rail with my dad in the hire car, and he just kind of stopped on some swampy road and chucked me out and I. And drove off. They were like actual crocodiles on the grass. So that was a. That was a real fun, happy family trip.

C (35:32)

Love these.

B (35:33)

And probably saying I should write down for my therapist.

C (35:35)

Love these short hand notes about your. Your life that we include here. I'm sure, sure the listeners all do. All do as well, but. Yeah, I mean, my. My main recognition of Disneyland or Disney World right now is that these guys I watched on Instagram who decided to get hammered at Epcot center at all the different countries. I thought that was a pretty excellent way to spend. Spend a day. So maybe we could do that on your next three hour trip. I guess I should clear up to, like, another. Another mark of how professional and adept the guys were at what they did, how much weight they moved. The fact that they were working with both Escobar and the Cali cartel is insane. I don't think anyone else was able to pull that off. You know, these were guys who were at each other's throats. I think at this point. They started off not, you know, friendly competition. At this point, they're trying to kill each other. So that is. It's the fact that they could work with both them in a world where every little hint of betrayal ends in many people getting murdered says a lot about how sharp they were and what they did. Anyway, with Pablo in trouble, they focus much more on going through Mexico, where they work with Cali and the Guadalajara cartel. At this point, they're moving 2,400 kilos every six weeks through the border. With a ton of their business now moving into California, the guys then decide they should also move to California for a bit. They leave their wives and kids behind, and in California, they Make a big splash. By the summer of 85, the price of a kilo drops from 32k to 19k as part of a strategy by Willie and Sal to flood the market. Now that they're moving tons of weight so easily. They start to spin out a bit though, you know, now without the family keeping them intact, they're partying like crazy. They're getting careless. So careless, in fact, that Willie and Sal and a few other guys are arrested one night by the Marina del Rey Police department in charge with possession and distribution of cocaine. But none of the larger Operation LA is hit suspiciously. No stash houses, just some of the apartments where they've been staying. They're actually arrested under false identities. So before the cops kind of wise up on who they really are, they jet back to Miami. But at this point, they are worried about the arrest. Is it just a random screw up or is it the beginning of the end? It turns out one of the escorts they hired to party with is also an informant for the cops. She saw some coke, money and guns lying around and she told the cops and that was that.

B (37:50)

I mean, that is a crazy informant job. That's like, got to take some serious cuts. Wow, that's like one of the craziest informant jobs I've heard of on this show.

C (38:01)

It also makes sense to get, you know, high level escorts like that to be informants on narcos, especially in that, that time period. Oh, yeah, you know, I'm surprised they weren't more, I think the money.

B (38:10)

I'll do it.

C (38:11)

The authorities are still not aware, the authorities in California, at least, of who they really are, thanks to the fake IDs. Now, this is the part in most stories about drug lords and gangsters where they say it should have served as a wake up call. Does it serve as a wake up call, Sean? No. No, it does not serve as a wake up call. In the summer of 86, they're still getting 1,000 kilos from Escobar every six weeks to little Islands, despite his issues. And they're getting the 4800 kilos from the Cali guys through Mexico on a similar timeframe. But alas, the DEA is finally onto them after an accountant that they had been using to launder money gets wrapped up in a bank robbery case in Europe, I believe, and offers to divulge some info on narco money laundering. Up until then, the DEA didn't really have much on them, but now they're connecting a whole bunch of dots in the money world and getting a very Good picture of the financial side of the empire. So they start moving in. At this point, Willie and Sal know they're being watched. They're sort of under the thumb of the dea, but they keep doing business and the walls keep getting closer in on them. Turns out One of the LA cops who busted them before when they gave fake IDs is watching a powerboat racing competition on ESPN. What are the chances? Must have been on the Ocho. You know, he recognizes them and he realizes those guys gave me fake IDs, but now he's got their real names. So definitely, you know, it's not just, don't Instagram your crimes, don't televise your powerboat races. That's the don't Instagram your crimes of the 1980s.

B (39:39)

I remember one of the first things I did when I moved to New York was watch the Ocho. And I remember so clearly watching professional juggling from Sioux Falls, Idaho, which was the coolest thing I'd ever seen in my life. But anyway, yeah, I mean, like, don't Instagram, don't power boat, you. Don't televise your powerboat races. I don't know, is that going to make a cool shirt with that pink and blue neon, like, lettering? I don't know, is that our next big money spinner?

C (40:05)

Do you reckon anything looks good in that lettering? To be honest with you? You know, yeah, it's a good.

B (40:09)

It's a good one. Yeah.

C (40:10)

Willie sees what's coming. He goes on the run. Sal does too, but he only moves to Houston and lasts only a month and then moves back to Miami. But he's on a private island that is highly exclusive. Kind of hoping he can hide out there. But as you're going to learn, both these guys are just terrible at being on the run. They are. Might be the worst people that have ever gone on the run. They can hold out like three weeks usually before they give up and go back to Miami. Willie, on the other hand, at this point, decides to move to New York City with his wife and a plethora of fake passports and IDs. He sets up shop at a big apartment on the Upper east side, which, I mean, again, if you're gonna go on the run, it's a pretty half assed way to do it.

B (40:45)

Yeah, this is, this is like actually one of my pet peeves. Or these guys who go on the run, I mean, I'm sure they're gonna really care when I say this, but, like, just fly to Moldova or Sri Lanka or Botswana, they're very nice places. You could just disappear. And now I'm thinking about this, like, pink and blue lettering and the kind of Miami Vice stuff. And now I can't get Riff Raff out of my head. And this is like one of the biggest conversations with my friends when I used to live in Oklahoma. Is. Is Riff Raff a bit. Is he doing a bit or is Riff Raff the real deal?

C (41:14)

He just. He just. He just is, dude. You got to accept that he just is.

B (41:19)

I mean, I love the guy, but is it. Is it a bit. It's got to be a bit, right?

C (41:23)

In terms of going on the run, though. But yeah, I mean, now I guess people just go to Dubai or they hope that there's no extradition treaties in places. They go to Dubai. People are getting arrested now, dude. People are getting locked up from Dubai. But yeah, I mean, go to Caracas. If you're running America, like, go to Caracas, right? No one can catch you there. Or like you said, go to. I knew a guy. Well, I didn't know someone I knew knew a guy who had some tax fraud situations in the U.S. he went on the run to Namibia, you know, Perfect. No one's coming to get you in Namibia.

B (41:53)

No one.

C (41:53)

Yeah, you can go surfing on the sand. And they got those cool little. The. The desert elephants, you know, what a life.

B (41:59)

Ah, they've got this hotel there that I really want to go to.

C (42:01)

It's like a cool country.

B (42:02)

Yeah, in the desert.

C (42:04)

Cool country.

B (42:05)

Oh, man, I want to go.

C (42:06)

More bad news comes from our guys, Willie and Sal. Anyway, when two of them. I think the video just encourages us to go, like, off topic way more than than usual, which I'm sure our listeners are gonna love. We definitely won't get a million comments about that.

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D (42:56)

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A (43:03)

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D (43:07)

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C (43:13)

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D (43:19)

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C (43:25)

This is the cult of Baphomet. This is Molokite worshiping stuff. It gets very gory in the basement.

D (43:32)

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C (44:43)

More bad news comes from two of their top lieutenants. They're busted in a coke deal in North Carolina. The guys are selling off more of their assets. They're thinking about getting out after a year in New York City, too. Willie, of course, moves back to Florida. Apparently, they were also really distraught at the crack epidemic and the role that the coke that they were bringing in was playing in it.

B (45:00)

Oh, no.

C (45:01)

Or so they say. I mean, not destroyed enough to stop moving thousands of kilos of it a month. So, you know, take that again, grain of salt. In November of 1988, Sal gets arrested. But he's able to bribe his way out of a local precinct by getting the clerk to fudge some paperwork before the feds can nab him. At this point, I mean, how many close calls do you get before, like we said, you go to Namibia for good? Then in 1989, Sal and Willie travel to Panama because, surprise, surprise, they're having trouble getting their money out, which is a big issue since it's where most of their money is. Their boy, who we mentioned at the beginning, Guillermo, he's just been elected president of Panama with hefty campaign contributions from both Willy and Sal, and he's currently battling General Noriega for control of the country. The bush admin tells Guillermo they know he's got a shady past, but he's got to keep things under wraps now, and if so, the US Is going To consider intervening on his behalf and deposing Noriega. So for the time being, president. I like Guillermo. He can't hand over tens of millions of dollars to the two wanted drug lords. Even if it is their money, which, you know, not good. They're not exactly broke. They've got millions stashed here and there under false names, under floorboards, all that. They've got the real estate and other assets. But it's a hit. A sizable one. Then in December that year, the US invades Panama and gets rid of Noriega. The real Manuel Noriega. He's not in a mansion in the Philippines. He's still holed up in Panama. Cue the Van Halen. Willie watches on TV as his Panama and money guy Guillermo, is sworn in as president of Panama. Maybe their fortune is about to change. By 1991, though, it is looking like game over. Most of their assets, around $2.1 billion, have been seized by the government. The feds are also scouring the prison system for anyone that's worked Willie and Sal and is willing to dine them out. Keep in mind, they're still in business, like, looking at making a billion a year. But they know it's about to end. They have their lawyers reach out to the government about a potential deal. They'll give up 25 million in cash, all of their real estate holdings. The government hasn't seized the location of thousands of kilos in storage. And in return, they do no more than 15 years. The feds reply they would have to first turn themselves in before any deals could be discussed and that they need to cooperate against many others. And Willie and Sal turn that down. Then, In October of 1991, they both get arrested at their homes. The raids on their houses bring new charges, though. Multiple fake IDs at cells, including a fake passport, which is a federal offense. At Willy's, they find a bunch more fake IDs, a small amount of coke, and an unlicensed gun. The Feds still don't have massive amounts of, like, you know, cocaine or guns that they've got from the guys, though. So it's a little different from a lot of other narco cases. There's not that much sort of physical evidence. The biggest fine at Sal's house is the organization's ledgers, but written in code. For months beforehand, Willie and others had urged Sal not to keep them at his house, but he does not listen. He had the notes on a criminal conspiracy, and they found them. The case is one of the largest drug cases in U.S. history at that time accusing them of importing 75 tons into the U.S. although I've seen estimates that in total, throughout their career, they trafficked in 700 tons, which is a crazy amount, especially for that era.

B (48:11)

So judging on before what they might copy, I don't know, two years probation or house arrest for this.

C (48:16)

Little different now, man. It's going to be a little different now. One month after that arrest, the d. A. Hits a stash house. Location they get from one of the lower level guys who had kind of flipped. And now there's actual product to show at the trial. Meanwhile, Willie and Sal are behind bars. They're hiring the dream team of defense attorneys while smuggling in a cell phone to keep conducting business through Willie's younger brother, who had gone on the run we mentioned in the earlier. He just started working with them. He'd escaped the dragnet. Although how do you smuggle in, like, an early 90s size Zack Moore cell phone? Right. It was probably the size of a shoebox.

B (48:48)

Painful.

C (48:49)

Alas, the feds already have one of their drivers working undercover as an informant. And pretty soon they're able to roll up the entire distribution network of los muchachos, shutting down their whole pipeline. Now, los muchachos had always prided themselves on not being involved in any chaotic violence. We heard earlier how they don't do the consignment thing, which kept them out of those wars. But also, they themselves just didn't dispense a lot of violence. They weren't violent guys. They were more businessmen. Here's some insight from a los muchacho's associate on Willie's thinking when it came to violence. Quote, whenever we have a problem, someone didn't pay or whatever his philosophy was. Okay, so the guy didn't pay. He owes us five kilos. So we're gonna go and kill him. Why? We can't take his body to the bank. You know what Willie would do? He would call the guy and say, here's two more keys. You go and sell it and pay me back.

B (49:37)

Yeah, I mean, seemed to work better than most of the trigger happy yahoos from that time.

C (49:41)

No, it's just better policy, you know? But now, as the trial is gearing up, things start happening. Four potential witnesses are either shot or have car bombs go off outside their houses. The documentary series makes it seem like it was Willie and Sal ordering these hits. But the book really seems to think it might have been the Cali cartel operating alone. So since the guys were such an important distribution network for them, it does eventually became clear that the Cali cartel was doing the killing on behalf of Willie and Sal as the hitman or Colombian sicarios. Interestingly, Willie's wife is killed during an attempted robbery when she refuses to give up her purse around the same time, which is a weird coincidence. Later, two more witnesses are killed in the pre trial period. Then finally in 1995, the trial starts. The boys are facing a 23 count indictment for coat trafficking. But bright side, no murder charges. The trial takes about four months and the prosecutors have 80 witnesses with some of them coming from inside the organization. Still, Willie and Sal take no chances and using their sort of Cuban exile community contacts, are able to pay off four jurors and one alternate. They'd given two jurors 1 million each when they were just prospective jurors. And those two happen to get in with one becoming the jury foreman. So they end up not guilty on every single count, stunning the government who are obviously furious. Honestly, it's a little too suspicious. Like you got to throw in a low level conviction or two, you know.

B (51:07)

How, how do we know they paid off these jurors? Where do we get that information?

C (51:11)

Well, it's going to come out, you know, it ain't over. The feds get a phone call from one of the jurors on the trial who explains how the jury foreman had kind of browbeat the other jurors into voting not guilty. The feds, already suspicious the jury was tampered with, launch an investigation into the foreman. Sal gets clued onto it. He flees a fugitive once again. But these guys, again, they suck at being fugitives, as we've learned. So he gets arrested again shortly after and then so does the foreman. And remember, Willie and Sal still had a few minor charges from the raids on their houses. Willie gets sentenced to 120 months on one of his gun charges, while Sal gets convicted of the fake passport and for added charges for jumping bail and gets sentenced to nine years. But the reality is this is not that much time compared to what they're about to face. And what they're about to face in August of 1999 is RICO charges, including obstruction of justice, money laundering, and for Sal, additional murder charges. There's a lengthy trial. Sal gets convicted of a whole heap of charges though not the murder charges, but he gets maxed out by the judge. 205 years and he's still locked up today. I think he was an adx Florence. Yeah, I think he was an adx Florence. Supermax. But I think he's been moved to USP Allenwood right now. Willie sees that and cuts a deal for 20 additional years. Added to his previous sentence, he's released in 2017 after serving close to 27 years. When he was released, he was deported to the Dominican Republic. The doctor apparently wasn't too happy and he had to leave and is currently in an undisclosed country. Who knows? Panama, Dubai, Caracas. Who even knows he was in the beginning or at least the back of his head if it really was him and his voice in a Rick Ross video from like five years ago, which is like super corny. It's like Rick Ross on the phone with him talking about how they're both drug lords, which obviously Rick Ross like the rapper Rick Ross. It's super, super corny.

B (53:01)

So good.

C (53:02)

So corny. If you're interested in the court trials, which we sort of gloss over here, you know, we don't really have time for it and we're not big on the back and forth of court trials. Definitely go check out the doc series on Netflix, Cocaine Cowboys, Kings of Miami. And definitely, as always, if you want, you know, the full, full story, get TJ English's book the Last Kilo and actually all of his other books on organized crime as well, which we frequently recommend. Probably the best author out there on, on the subject in general. And yeah, bonus episodes. Patreon.cominterwelpodcast thank you for tuning in to our our second video. You know, hopefully we did it. People want to look at our. I don't know why people want to look at our faces. Maybe, I don't know, maybe they do, maybe they don't. But probably, probably not. Anyway, until next week. Thank you guys.

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