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Charlie Scudder (0:01)
This episode is brought to you by Amazon. Sometimes the most painful part of getting sick is the getting better part. Waiting on hold for an appointment, Sitting in crowded waiting rooms, Standing in line at the pharmacy. That's painful. Amazon One Medical and Amazon Pharmacy remove those painful parts of getting better with things like 24. 7 virtual visits and prescriptions delivered to your door. Thanks to Amazon Pharmacy and Amazon One Medical Healthcare just got less painful. In the summer of 1994, four teens entered an abandoned building in Gravesend, Brooklyn. It was the last time they would be seen alive. With few clues and no witnesses, the case went cold. But for Anthony Brewer, the brother of one of the victims, the search never stopped. In 2024, he acquired evidence from the police that contained DNA samples that didn't match the teens. That discovery put his life and the life of his family in grave danger. Goosebumps the Vanishing all episodes now available on Disney and Hulu on disneyplus.disney.com rated TV 14 quick heads up that today's episode includes tape of my interviews with Billy Shamirmir. If you'd rather skip that part, you can jump ahead. We'll put the minute mark in the show notes we're also going to talk about domestic violence in this chapter. If you or someone you know needs help, please call the National Domestic violence hotline at 800-799-7233 or text START to 887-882. Questions have nagged at me in the years since I started reporting this story. Was Billy Shamirmere a brilliant criminal mastermind or just lucky enough to slip through the cracks of a broken patchwork system? More importantly, which reality is more terrifying? I'm Charlie Scudder, and this is the Unnatural Causes Chapter six the Loopholes. Before we begin, I do want to pause a minute and talk about why we're hearing from Shamir Mir directly. I teach journalism ethics at Southern Methodist University, and I've thought a lot about whether playing this tape is an ethical decision or not. On one hand, giving a man accused of a capital crime by an often flawed justice system the opportunity to defend himself is part of responsible, objective reporting. On the other, spreading untruths and just letting the man speak unedited is irresponsible journalism. Giving him a platform can be difficult for victims to hear, and it speaks to our voyeuristic want to know rather than the public's need to know critical information about the world around them. So we're only going to hear parts of the interview that let you know more about Shamimir's past as it is relevant to our story, and only if we're able to confirm that information independently. Our conversations were rambling, often filled with lies or distortions. I wanted to hear about his childhood, and he'd pivot into complaints about his defense team. I asked about inconsistencies in his story, and he'd dive into long soliloquies about his faith. Here's Shamirmir calling from the Dallas County Jail. You may notice that throughout this episode, it's sometimes hard to make out what he says. He had a tendency to move the mouthpiece of the phone away from his mouth, and I had to remind him to speak up a few times.
