Breaking up, The Bachelor & growing up billionaire w/ Madi Prewett Troutt

Summary

The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby

Episode: Breaking up, The Bachelor & growing up billionaire w/ Madi Prewett Troutt

Release Date: August 13, 2025
Guests: Madi Prewett Troutt & Grant Troutt

Overview

In this episode, Matt & Abby welcome newlyweds and first-time parents Madi Prewett Troutt and Grant Troutt. The conversation covers their whirlwind romance, the early joys and struggles of parenting, navigating public scrutiny, living with unusual privilege (Grant is the son of billionaire Kenny Troutt), and reflections on social expectations, faith, and finding purpose. Madi shares insights from her Bachelor experience, their breakup and makeup, and how they've grown as individuals and as a couple.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. New Parenthood: Early Struggles & Joys

• Adjustment to Parenting:

  • Madi and Grant discuss milestones with their six-month-old daughter, Hosanna.
  • Madi describes achieving a sense of deeper purpose as a mom:

    "For me as a mom, I feel like I've stepped into a level of purpose that I just didn’t even know was possible. ... stepping into motherhood was like a whole new level." (06:00, Madi)

  • Grant admits the early days were tough for him:

    "I feel like I’m struggling a little bit... Early on, the biggest struggle was, like, I would get her when she’s crying or to change her diaper. ... It’s so different for the dad." (06:21, Grant)

• Sleep & Travel Challenges:

  • The guests share stories about baby sleep regressions, travel mishaps (blowouts, getting puked on during flights), and how quickly things can change with young kids.
  • Madi shares a relatable mom mishap:

    “She had a blowout all over me on the plane. Didn’t bring extra clothes for myself... I was covered in poop.” (04:25, Madi)

  • Grant finds travel with a baby to be “humbling” and “good for character development.” (05:30, Grant)

• Parenting Hacks:

  • “The Happy Song” is a go-to for soothing their daughter mid-scream:

    "Literally, mid scream, she hears this beat come on... She's quiet. It's unbelievable." (13:46, Grant)

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2. Love Story: Blind Date to Parenthood

• Timeline of Relationship:

  • Met on a (not-quite-blind) date: December 3, 2021
  • Engaged after seven months; three-month engagement; married in October 2022
  • First child born in early 2025

• How They Met:

  • Set up by mutual friends, but Madi found out who Grant was in advance through Instagram stalking:

    "I peer pressured my friend... She told me, and then I stopped him on Instagram." (25:45, Madi)

  • Grant had seen Madi at his church months earlier:

    "I look at her, she's wearing these Jordans. ... My friend was like, 'That's Maddie. She went on the show, like, don't even bother.'" (25:58, Grant)

• First Date Vibes:

  • Both were nervous; Grant was so anxious he forgot to open Madi’s car door—an immediate faux pas for her southern family’s standards.
  • Madi recalls knowing Grant was “the one” an hour into their date:

    "I literally texted my mom... 'I’m gonna marry him.' Like, this is my husband. And this was like, an hour into the date." (28:43, Madi)

• Quotes on Knowing the Right Partner:

  "In every relationship that I had been in prior to Grant, there would have been some little thing in me that felt like I was gonna settle... With Grant, it just felt like full confirmation of, like, you're not gonna have to settle." (53:19, Madi)

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3. Breakups, Makeups, and Getting Real

• Why They Broke Up (Temporarily):

  • Grant admits feeling intimidated by Madi's platform and public image, and wrestling with his own insecurities related to both wealth and fame.

    "There was some pride in me... that was like, 'Hey, mine’s the more honorable route, which is like, not a platform, choosing what’s not flashy.' And so I think when we were starting to come together, I was just intimidated by the platform." (55:15, Grant)

• The 12-hour Breakup:

  • The breakup happened right before Madi was to introduce Grant to her family at a movie premiere. Both families already knew about the split—awkward introductions ensued!

    "So I'm meeting everybody, like, hey, mama... They're looking at you like, who's this? ... a hole that just broke up with my sweet girl." (58:06, Matt & Grant)

  • After counsel from Madi’s mentor and an emotional night, they were back together by the next morning.

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4. The Bachelor & Public Perceptions

• Madi’s Bachelor Experience:

  • She explains how intense public scrutiny and televised drama were deeply difficult.

    "I think there was maybe a moment where just essentially the conversation was like, I don't think the two of you make sense and you belong together. ... I very much remove myself from all things Bachelor. Even still to this day, like, I really don't talk about it a ton." (50:09, Madi)

  • A memorable on-air confrontation with a contestant’s family made a major impact.

• Grant's Perspective:

  • Grant has never watched Madi’s season:

    "I want to know this Maddie right here... I just want to know this, Maddie." (52:01, Grant)

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5. Wealth, Generosity, and Identity

• Grant’s Upbringing:

  • Grant is open about being the son of billionaire Kenny Troutt and how that influences (and complicates) his identity and how others see him.

    "I forget that at times I walk in a room and that's attached to me. ... People will misassign things. ... When we meet people, at times it feels like we start down here, and it's almost like, 'Hey, prove to me that you're legit.'" (35:19, Grant)

• Lessons from His Father:

  • Grant recalls his father’s journey from homelessness to billions and what it did/not do for his happiness:

    "He said, 'Grant, I was homeless at the park with my mom. I went home after selling my company for $3 billion. The feeling didn’t change. ... Money and success only allows for you to look for happiness in a better neighborhood.'" (30:32, Grant relaying his father’s words)

• Counteracting Stereotypes:

  • Madi emphasizes how Grant intentionally seeks out and serves the overlooked:

    "He finds the person in the room that everybody else overlooks and he loves on them... He genuinely lives his life to serve people and to help people..." (39:09, Madi)

• Giving: Money vs. Time:

  • Both Grant and Madi discuss the greater challenge—and joy—of serving in person, not just financially.

    "When you have money, it's actually a lot easier to write the check and send it and not deal with any of it. It's another thing to give your time and go be with somebody and sit and get dirty." (44:12, Grant) "The most beautiful part of giving is when there's sacrifice... we're continuously processing... continuing to pray through that." (45:03, Madi)

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6. Navigating Public Rumors and Criticisms

• Managing Public Misconceptions:

  • The couple has dealt with wild rumors (e.g., reports of a $4 million wedding) and inaccurate assumptions about their lives.

    "People even thought our wedding, we dropped like $4 million on our wedding. ... Was not our story, but we were blessed to like be able to do the wedding at his parents house." (41:12, Madi)

• Staying Grounded:

  • The importance of authentic friendships, advisors, and staying focused on what really matters amidst public attention.

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7. Faith & Purpose

• Faith is a central theme—how it keeps them grounded, informs how they process hardship and privilege, and guides their life decisions.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (w/ Timestamps)

• On Parenting:

  • "I think it's just been like, the best thing ever." (05:41, Madi)
  • "It’s hard to see that when you’re in the newborn stage... but it just keeps getting better." (07:45, Matt)

• On Relationship Clarity:

  • "From the beginning, I felt, you know, this is someone that I want to partner with..." (54:33, Madi)

• On Wealth & Fulfillment:

  • "My dad says, 'Grant, you can have the whole world and be so empty. ... Money and success only allows you to look for happiness in a better neighborhood.'" (30:32, Grant quoting his father)

• On Giving:

  • "That's the most beautiful part of giving is when it comes with a cost." (45:03, Madi)

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Important Segments by Timestamp

• Parenting experiences: 01:32 – 10:27
• Relationship timeline & blind date: 24:03 – 29:29
• First split & reuniting: 54:45 – 59:16
• Grant’s background & beliefs about wealth: 30:02 – 40:23
• Public scrutiny, rumors, Bachelor experience: 50:09 – 53:19

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Where to Connect with Madi & Grant

• Madi's Instagram: @MaddiePru
• Stay True Podcast: Madi’s own podcast
• Book: "Dare to Be True" by Madison Prewett Troutt (launch September 23)
• Grant: Off social media for a year

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Tone & Takeaway

This episode is warm, authentic, and deeply reflective. The couples’ playful teasing and vulnerability about insecurity, setbacks, and privilege set a relatable and welcoming tone. Both Madi and Grant are candid about their joys and struggles, offering reassurance and insight for anyone navigating relationships, faith, and family—regardless of their bank balance or their past on national television.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

You met and then three month engagement.

[A]

Three month engagement. So within 10 months you were married.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

This wasn't the first time that you were engaged, right? What wasn't there?

[C]

I'd never been engaged before.

[A]

Oh, there wasn't. Did I get that wrong?

[B]

I was like, okay, tell me more, brother.

[C]

He has not seen any part of the Bachelor.

[A]

You've never seen any of the episodes.

[B]

I want to know this. Maddie right here. I don't think she'd want to go see my ex girlfriend moments.

[C]

No.

[B]

We ended the same day. I was going to meet her family. She told everybody. So I'm meeting everybody like, hey, mama.

[A]

And they're looking at you like, who's this?

[B]

Who's this?

[A]

A hole that just provok up with my sweet girl. Today on Unplanned, we sat down with Maddie Pruitt Trout and her husband Grant Trout. You probably already know Maddie from her time on the Bachelor, but she didn't meet her husband on the show. She ended up meeting him on a blind date. Grant is the son of billionaire Kenny Trout, who sold his company for over $3 billion. We talk about Maddie and Grant's love story, why they broke up, and what Grant learned from his billionaire father, all on today's episode. Maddie Pruitt Trout and Grant Trout, welcome to the to the podcast.

[B]

So good to be here.

[A]

Thank you for being here. Welcome to Unplanned.

[B]

Thanks for having us.

[A]

Of course. You guys are new parents. Tell me about how that's been.

[B]

Let's jump straight into it.

[C]

Parenting, literally the best thing in the world.

[D]

She's six months now.

[B]

Six months old.

[D]

I feel like that's a big milestone.

[B]

She's become her own personality. A little personality, which is wild.

[C]

She hasn't started crawling forward yet, but she's learned how to push herself back and scoot herself back. So we're making progress. She's sleeping through the night now.

[B]

Praise God.

[C]

That was a big praise God.

[B]

Were yalls kids early on that or like later in the game?

[A]

It depended on the kid, really.

[D]

I think you'll have to discourage you. But she's like immediately, no, no, no. I Don't want to scourge you, but.

[B]

Please don't discourage me because we're just now hitting courage. No, no. I mean, tell us, tell us.

[C]

No, no, she's like, we regressed.

[B]

Did they start. Did they go back?

[D]

I mean, yeah, there's. Well, our worst sleeper is our three year old. But I'm not even gonna. Here's the thing, here's the thing. Everyone has their own kids, their own journey.

[B]

They're all unique.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

No, it's true. I have friends who legit, like their baby out of the womb. Slept through basically almost through the night. Yeah. Woke up one time to feed and.

[D]

I'm like, our second kid was like that.

[A]

Recently we were able to get him and his brother to sleep in the same room because they just feel like buddies and like, that's sweet. That's. But then, like, literally just a couple days ago, he started waking up in the night again. So we've been co. Sleeping with him again. So it's a whole.

[D]

That's what I was going to say. If parenthood has taught me anything, as soon as we get comfortable, they.

[A]

They just really like, don't get comfortable. Just be ready.

[D]

And I'm also like, man, I really should just be careful what I say because there's been so many times I've been like, meow, through that tunnel. And then we're just like, oh, oh, here we go.

[C]

And now there's another tunnel. We're back here, We've made another one.

[B]

But you know what?

[D]

That's a huge milestone. I feel like you should be pretty good for. Get some sleep.

[A]

When you say sleeping through the night, like, are we talking 9 hours, 12 hours? Like, what does that mean?

[B]

What is she.

[C]

She's seven. She's seven to seven right now.

[B]

Seven to seven, that's massive for the program. It.

[C]

Then we get time after we put her down and it's like, oh, this is so nice to get to connect, just the two of us. And then, yeah, wake up early in the morning, get a little bit of quiet time and, you know, start the day.

[B]

It's good.

[C]

It's been really good. And she's in her own room now.

[B]

She's like, getting sassy right now. I don't know. It's starting to come out.

[D]

Really?

[B]

Yes. She's. She'll have this like, push away.

[C]

She'll poke my lips out.

[B]

Yeah. And I'm like, hosanna. It is super cute, man.

[C]

It is really cute.

[B]

She rolls over. She's sleeping in her own crib, man. She's trapped. She's been to 10 states, I think, really. So she's just like, along for the ride, which has been fun.

[C]

She honestly does so good. Like, she'll even like, sleep through the night in like a hotel room where, like, lights coming in, like her whole sleep environments, you know, thrown off a bit.

[D]

We were.

[B]

We were all. We were come back from Montana like two days ago, and she killed Montana to Dallas. Killed it. But then we sat in Dallas to go to Nashville for like, long. And the flight had no air conditioning.

[C]

Except for the fact that she. Well, on the way there, she had a blowout.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

All over me. Maddie's pants poop on the plane for like, I didn't bring an extra pair of clothes. I brought her an extra pair of clothes because I certainly blow out. They're gonna happen. But me wasn't prepared to be pooped all over, so I was covered in poop.

[D]

No, we've had plain poop situations. We've had plain puke situations one time.

[B]

Those will. Those will get real.

[D]

I was. I was Abby.

[A]

Abby was a saint. She literally went into the. The bathroom on the plane, that teeny little bathroom, and scrubbed out the poo from the onesie with soap and water.

[D]

Cuz, like, that was a mistake to not have a.

[A]

Because we were extra set of clothes. The airport that we were flying into was outdoors. You had to walk off the plane and it was cold. We're like, we can't have our baby.

[B]

We're flying into.

[A]

This was into, I think Montana.

[D]

It was Montana.

[B]

Don't go to Montana or else you'll be covered.

[A]

What. What's the name of that was also.

[D]

When I got puked on was going to Montana.

[A]

Yeah, it's always Montana.

[C]

You guys.

[A]

Our whole entire family got sick in Montana. Everyone throwing up.

[B]

Guys, I got puked on too.

[A]

Wait. Yeah, we both got puked on.

[B]

Oh, no.

[D]

So many casualties.

[B]

Yeah, that's.

[D]

Parenting is humbling.

[A]

Humble man feel like it's like, great for character development. Like, you made you a better person being a parent, like, has it, like, taught you selflessness in a way that you didn't understand before?

[B]

Yeah, yeah, 100%.

[C]

And it's definitely revealed, like, I think selfishness too. Like where we're, you know, just prone to want your own way or like you have your set of expectations of how you want the day to go, but then it's like there's going to be some unexpected twists and turns that, you know, you didn't see coming. But I would say, truly, it's just been like, the best thing ever. Like, I would say for me as a mom, I feel like I've stepped into a level of purpose that I just didn't even know was possible. I'm so blessed to say, like, I feel like I'm living out my purpose, but stepping into motherhood was like a whole new level of that. And it's just been like the greatest gift. And then getting to see your person that you love, like, be a parent is the sweetest thing.

[B]

She, like, stepped into it flawlessly. I feel like I'm struggling a little bit. I don't know how you were with your kids when they can't talk back. So she feeds her. She does all the things. And I'm like, I love hosanna so much, but it's also so different for the dad at the start. And I'm like, early on, the biggest struggle was, like, I would get her when she's crying or to change her diaper. And I'm like, okay. She's so sweet with Maddie. Maddie feeds her. They have these deep moment. Okay, Grant taker, changer. Is that. Was that your experience?

[A]

Like, it's funny you say that, because I've talked to so many dads about this, and I luckily have gotten to the point now where I have a three year old and almost two year old and we have full on conversations and we will laugh together to a point where, like, I can't even breathe.

[B]

I'm like, that's gonna change the game and the response.

[A]

So if you're finding any enjoyment in the newborn stage, like, just wait.

[B]

Like, it gets.

[A]

It gets to be so much fun. Now I really understand where this, like, pure love for parenting comes from because, like, I'm in it and I never want it to end. Like, I never want the. The joy on my son's face when I come out of my office and he sees me and he's like, he just thinks I'm like a superhero.

[D]

You would think it's been like a month.

[A]

Yeah. Like, it's like I have a human.

[B]

Friend and it just. There's nothing like that. It's the best.

[A]

And it's hard to see that when you're in the newborn stage and you're waking up four or five times a night.

[D]

I feel like it's those early months that, like, create the foundation of, like, why it just keep getting better, though.

[B]

You're like, we have this history bond.

[D]

We were up all night together. Like, we cried together. Like, crying.

[C]

Mom was crying, dad was crying.

[B]

Everybody I was in the corner crying.

[D]

The tears so many.

[A]

You mentioned it being tough in the beginning. What's been a moment for you that you had to, like, really dig down deep and push through, Man.

[B]

Her third day of life. Little girl just born. She's not. She didn't poop for, like, pee or poo for 36 hours. And so, you know, if y' all go back to your first baby, everything is so serious. Well, first off, we're leaving the hospital. It's 11 degrees, so we're, like, bundling, freezing outside.

[C]

This is.

[A]

We got our bundle.

[B]

January 20th, we come out, and you all know that moment when you're leaving the hospital for the first time, you're just like, come out. My car won't start.

[D]

Oh, God.

[C]

And he had had so many car issues. And I had this feeling, you guys, I said, grant, I think we need to get a new car. Like, I have this.

[B]

I was like, man, it'll start, girl.

[C]

The car, like, on the way to the hospital or coming home from the hospital. And he's, we'll be fine. I'm like, should we take my car? And he's like, we'll be fine. The car doesn't start.

[B]

The car's dead. It's freezing.

[C]

And we've, like, loaded the car with everything.

[A]

We're literally.

[B]

The car seats in there perfectly. You don't know how you get it. All right. So then we're like, oh, my gosh. And she's, like, getting nauseous. She's weak. We're calling her mom. And luckily, her mom was in town, came and got us. So already it feels like, oh, we're like, a little spinning. Like, this is hard. Go home. But she won't. She won't go to the bathroom. It's been a day and a half. And then the doctor's like, oh, I guess she's not eating. So we were afraid that she wasn't taking Maddie's breast milk. And it was just a really hard moment where you realize, I am so dependent. I'm not in control. And luckily, a girl came over who gave her breast milk or someone else's.

[C]

Frozen, donated breast milk from, like, some of her friends. Like, it essentially felt like the picture of, like, the church coming together and helping you. Dungeon community. And just, like, community. Because we're sitting here, like, I don't know what to do. Like, I'm feeding my daughter. I guess she's not getting enough milk because she's not going to the bathroom. You know, you feel that pressure of, like, they have to get back up to their birth we and all these things. And you know, they're supposed to like, have as many, however many, like wet diapers and poops or whatever. And I'm like, she hasn't peed or pooped in over 36 hours. So we're just like freaking out. I'm having a breakdown. I'm coming off all my hormones.

[D]

Oh, dude.

[C]

Then I'm like, having a breakdown. I'm like, I don't know, like, what are we doing?

[B]

And you haven't slept in, like, you.

[C]

Haven'T slept no three days.

[B]

So you're trying to like, think. And if y' all like, I just remember being the smallest. Things felt so hard. It was like take out the trash. I'm like, I don't even know how to like start because I haven't slept. And so it's just like. But then luckily she went to the bathroom after that. Just moments where we were like, this is new, hard. And it's vulnerable because you're now in control and in charge of this baby.

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[D]

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[B]

I remember the first time I left the hospital room and we looked around like, but who's in charge of this? Like, us.

[C]

Like, this is.

[B]

Like, this is ours. And. And then different moments where I would say, like, you just aren't sleeping. And when the baby's screaming, as a dad, you want to fix and you.

[C]

Can'T fix, because I think she probably had a little bit of colic and she wasn't sleeping well at night. She struggled with sleeping, so it was a lot of screaming early on. Like, now she's such an incredible, sweet little baby girl, but. And she has her sassy moments, but she. At first, I feel, like, really struggled being outside of the womb. She's like, wait, I really liked the womb. You know, what am I doing here? It was a big adjustment, so it was. It was hard. Like, we're not getting sleep. She's struggling sleeping, you know, screaming, crying, and you're just adjusting to a new life with a. With a baby and trying to figure out all the things. So it was, you know, a lot of. Of asking Community to pray and just having people come around us asking, honestly, like, texting a lot of moms and being like, hey, what did you do? How did you do this?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And really, like, turning to Community and not trying to figure it out yourself.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I think was honestly so huge for us. I think it's so easy to just, like, try and, you know, like, muster up the strength and figure it all out on your own.

[A]

I'm sorry to interrupt. Did you figure out any hacks or tricks? Like, I know for us, I would literally take out my phone and play this shushing sound from a. Like, a sleep sound app that I downloaded for free.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And the. The shushing would help. And, you know, I just, like, play the sh. Over and over and over. Like, did you have anything like that that would help if your. If your baby wouldn't sleep?

[B]

Yeah, we had all that. The hatch. Y' all mess with the hatch.

[C]

Yeah, the hatch we had. I mean, honestly, she was so, like, honestly just wanted to be held all the time. Now we're in the stage where the Happy song is really big. You heard about the Happy song?

[A]

What is the Happy Song?

[B]

You haven't heard the Happy Song, you guys.

[C]

Well, she does not like her. So, yeah, you know, everybody's like, oh, they get in the car, they fall asleep.

[A]

The car.

[C]

I'm like, no, it's not our story. She gets in the car, she starts screaming. In the car. So the happy song changed your life. So that's been one of our hacks for all you listeners.

[B]

Literally, mid scream, she hears this beat. Come on. And it's. Oh, she's quiet.

[D]

Amazing.

[B]

It's unbelievable.

[C]

It's really.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

Whatever they put in that song, I.

[B]

Don'T know what it is.

[C]

Listen. I don't know what's in that song. I hope it's okay.

[D]

That's funny.

[B]

Yeah. I gotta check it out.

[C]

We gotta check it out.

[B]

Gotta check it out. Yeah.

[A]

You haven't heard of it? I haven't heard.

[D]

I feel like I might have heard of it, but maybe. I don't know.

[C]

Like, we probably could sing it for you right now, because we know.

[B]

I know every word.

[A]

Would you please do the honors of singing it?

[C]

It's like.

[B]

It's this beat that starts, and then it's like a baby noise.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Wait, you gotta go listen to it.

[B]

Don't make us do this.

[C]

It's got all these different sounds.

[D]

Check it out.

[B]

Yeah, y' all gotta check it out, man.

[A]

You're missing out, man. I feel like I am.

[B]

You're gonna get in the car for the adults, too.

[A]

I'm gonna go like it on Spotify right now.

[D]

Listen to Lilo and Stitch and the Hot Wheels theme song. And Hot Wheels.

[C]

That's a good boy. Life.

[A]

My favorite one, though, is there's, like.

[D]

Oh, the Amazing Fighting.

[A]

The boys are always scary. Dad spooky song. Dad spooky song. And so there's this. This track. It's not even, like, an actual song. It's just, like, some background track in the Lilo and Stitch movie where I think, like, maybe it's where Stitch lands on Earth in his right space. Yeah. And the boys love it. They think it's so.

[D]

They also like the Amazing Spider man song. We have, like, lots of Spidey and his amazing friends. We got lots of songs going on.

[B]

That's awesome.

[D]

But they have, like. They're like. That's Augie's song. That's Griffin song. And it's like. It's a big deal.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Are they close?

[D]

Oh.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

They can't be separated, actually. We dropped them off, and they were supposed to go in separate places. And every single time, they have to go together, like, they have to join the older class.

[C]

That's the blessing of, like, having them close together.

[D]

Oh, seriously? Yeah. They, like, need to be together.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And everybody always asks us if they're twins, because they look. They look like twins.

[D]

They're getting closer in Size. So it's like, yeah, yeah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Having a baby, was that planned? Was it a surprise? Whose idea? Like, if. Whose idea was it? Was it someone's idea? Whose idea was this?

[D]

Our moms.

[B]

How did it start?

[C]

It start. We had just started having conversations about it. We were living in Waco, Texas, at the time. And, you know, we were in Waco, Texas. Grant was working at a church as a young adult pastor. And we knew that that was a temporary season. Like, we knew wasn't forever. And so we had started talking kind of about, like, okay, we feel the season coming to an end. Do we stay here? Do we move somewhere else? Do we stay in ministry? Do we, you know, what does this look like? And kids was just such a big part of that conversation. We felt like in our perfect world, of course, you can't always plan everything. But in our perfect world, it was like, okay, let's be married for a little over a year, and then whenever we feel like it's a good time, start trying for kids. And we're super thankful and blessed. To say that, honestly, it happened a lot quicker than we expected. I think we honestly expected it to take a while. And so we thought it was your.

[B]

Heart up for, like, all the stories you hear, right?

[C]

Well, we walked our friends through really hard stuff.

[B]

Totally.

[C]

I think we really expected it to take a long time. And so we kind of thought it would happen, you know, maybe once we moved and, like, got settled in Tennessee when we felt led to move to Tennessee. But it happened pretty quick. So we were in Waco, Texas, and found out he actually. It was his last week of the job.

[B]

And so she didn't tell me for a full week. I found out she held that in for seven days. I did tell him how you found out. So I.

[C]

It's Sunday. He works at a church.

[B]

So we work my last Sunday at.

[C]

Church, because last Sunday on staff at church, and I was, like, feeling like, okay, I think I'm about to start my period, but, like, I am not feeling the best. But, I mean, there's no way, like, I'm pregnant.

[B]

We had just started trying.

[C]

We literally just started trying. So I was like, there's no way, but I'm just gonna take. You know, of course I had, like, 30 pregnancy tests in the bathroom, and so I'm like, I'm gonna take a pregnancy test. And it said pregnant. And I was so not expecting it that I was like. I didn't even record my reaction. I mean, I literally just was not expecting it. And I was like, there's no way. So I take another one, and then I take another one, and they all three say pregnant. And I'm like, okay, I think I'm. I think I'm pregnant. But it was his last week of work, so I just was like, I want him to finish well.

[B]

I was speaking twice at two different things, and so she's like, I wanted him to really focus on this last week and finish well, but throughout the week, she would be so emotional with me. And I thought she was just so sad that, like, I was finishing work and she was so proud of me.

[C]

I'm like, I just love you so much.

[B]

Yeah. She was like, great.

[C]

She really loves you.

[B]

I love you so much. So much. You're doing such a good job. And I was like, yeah, babe, I'm, like, crushing this week, huh? And really, she, like, knows we're pregnant?

[C]

Yeah. I'm just, like, all in my feels of, like, he's gonna be such a good dad, but he doesn't know. Like, I'm just, you know, I'm just.

[D]

That's hard.

[A]

How long did you keep it a secret?

[C]

For a week.

[B]

So I finished last day, which was like, a Thursday. And then that Friday, I go to, like, do something, come back just like. Yeah. And she's like, hey, Grant, I have something for you. Because she was giving me gifts for my last week. Like, here's a hoodie. Here's notes. I had. Grant, I have one last gift. And I'm like, okay. Pair of shoes. Like, what is this? Walk in. And, dude, it was the, like, wooden. We're having a baby pregnancy test. Small Jordan, my size. Jordan behind it.

[D]

Wow.

[B]

And I'm just like. I, like, start spinning. I can't even speak. I started crying.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I just so wasn't expecting it.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I don't know how you sat on that for a week.

[C]

I know. No one knew.

[B]

I'm like, girl, you can carry a secret. That's kind of dangerous right there.

[D]

That's crazy.

[B]

You can hold that in the vault.

[C]

I just did not. Like, anytime he asked me about me, I just. I was so selfless that week. I was like, no, babe, tell me about you. How are you feeling? I knew if I started talking, I would, you know, spill the. Spill the beans. So I just. I wanted the moment to be special, and I wanted him to feel like he could fully celebrate it. And I knew his mind was very consumed with obviously, wanting to finish strong and finish well at his job, and I wanted him to be able to do that. And he Just respected so much the head pastor Jonathan Pacluda and and so just wanted like that all that whole season to like finish well. And then I wanted him to be able to like fully celebrate the new season of us stepping into like parenthood. And so I just was like, I'm just gonna wait. And then that gave me a chance to like plan out, like, how do I want to tell him? And I ordered cute Jordans.

[A]

Are those the Jordans right there from the announcement?

[D]

No.

[C]

You think it should have been.

[A]

They're baby blue.

[B]

They're smooth, huh? Yeah, yeah, they're these like all white, just like no color on. Yeah, it was cool though.

[D]

Did you kind of like want a girl or have any preference at all?

[B]

Oh, listen, she will tell you she was indifferent. She's like, grant, I could care less. Boy or girl? We found out I was a girl and she's like, praise God. Yeah, thank you, God.

[C]

I just grew up with two sisters, so I just am so familiar and comfortable and like my family used to foster and like even the little girl we foster, it was a girl. So like I just am so familiar with little girls. And so I was like, that would just be so sweet for like our first to be a girl.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

But I really was gonna be so excited either way.

[D]

But wait, I have to ask. I have like an internal theory. Do you have sisters?

[B]

Little sister.

[D]

Okay, that really plays well into my theory. I was telling your team. I was like, I have this theory that it's the husband siblings. If you look at them like if he has a sister, they'll probably have a girl and if they have brothers, they'll probably have a boy.

[B]

What if I have both older brother, younger sister?

[D]

Then I'm. I got nothing.

[C]

I got nothing.

[A]

My mom thought it was twins.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

My mom was like full on in belief that we were going to have twins. And I was like, why not having twins? Like we would go and the ultrasound and Grant would literally be like, ask the person. No, can you check again and just make sure?

[D]

Why did she think that?

[B]

I have no idea. She just is usually right.

[C]

She's usually always right.

[D]

That's where been wrong every single baby we've ever had in the family. So when she has a guest, I'm like.

[A]

She predicted. Wait, she predicted girl for both of our boys. She predicted and then she predicted after.

[D]

We were like, it's a boy. She's like, like, I'm pretty sure she.

[A]

Predicted boy for your. Our sister in law. Yeah, she's always wrong.

[B]

I love it.

[D]

And then she's like, very confident to the point where like, she starts to convince me of things. Like, I'm like, no, be sure. Because I think because with that, with me actually they told my mom that I was a boy. It still makes me feel weird to this day. I'm like, why do they think that? Yeah, there's something like that freaks me out.

[C]

I'm like, what the heck?

[D]

It was a long time ago.

[B]

Don't carry that anymore. You gotta let that go right now. You are a girl.

[D]

But it was like, not until like her last appointment that they were like, you excited to meet your baby girl? And they're like, boy. And she's like, no, we love it.

[C]

We have that because we had people like randomly come up and be like, I feel like you're having a boy, like would say that to me. And I'm like, no, we're having a girl. Like. And I'm like, I've already started buying cute.

[D]

Please don't make me switch.

[B]

That's crazy. That would like, rock me, dude.

[D]

I know.

[B]

Did they already have the name and everything for boy?

[D]

No, I think they were like, really disappointed. They were really expecting a girl. So they like, were really kind of thrown off when they thought I was going to be a boy.

[A]

Wow.

[D]

So they were really happy.

[C]

Yeah, they're like, oh yeah.

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[A]

Wait, hold up. So pregnancy happened one year. I love timelines. I'm trying to get the timeline. I'm a big timeline guy, too.

[B]

I've recently discovered this.

[A]

So, yeah, you got pregnant, and that was a year after you got married. Ish. You, like, waited a year to start trying to get pregnant right away?

[B]

No. So it was a. We got married October of 22.

[A]

Okay.

[C]

Got pregnant May of 24.

[B]

A year and a half.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

A year and a half.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Okay, nice. And then before that, when you started dating, you guys went from, like, meeting to, like. You got married pretty quickly after you met, right?

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

What? Like, what was that timeline? Let's talk about that timeline.

[B]

Let's talk timeline, bro. Because I'm a big timeline guy. Blind date, December 3rd.

[D]

How does that happen?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Who set this up?

[C]

Matt.

[D]

You told me on the way here because we knew that you guys met on a blind date. Matt's like, why do I feel like it's like dating in the dark? And I'm like, damn.

[A]

No, seriously. I was like, abby, could they. Like, when it's a blind date, could they see each other? Like, are you guys. Is there a wall between you guys?

[D]

The whole dating thing?

[B]

Y' all met in eighth grade. Y. Y' all missed the whole dating scene, right?

[A]

Like, isn't that, like, love is blind? Yeah, it's like, you. You. You're on another side of a wall.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's just all about your community.

[B]

We should have done that.

[C]

Honestly, that is crazy.

[A]

Okay. But I watched this.

[B]

Each other.

[A]

You guys could see. We saw each other.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, we were there.

[A]

I literally. I. I was literally today years old.

[D]

When I learned Matt was, like, nervous to bring it up.

[C]

They were blindfolded.

[A]

No, seriously. I was like, are you blindfolded?

[D]

He's like, you're not. You can. You can see when you go on a blind.

[B]

That's.

[D]

How.

[C]

Have you never met anyone who's been on a blind date?

[A]

I don't think so.

[D]

Like, actually, how does it work? Like, had you guys talked at all, or did your friends just, like.

[C]

So here's what's crazy. It Was kind of blind date. Kind of. Not because it was supposed to be a blind date. But then I peer pressured my friend who knew that I was going on the date with Grant. She knew of Grant or, like, had met Grant. I peer pressure because I knew she knew who he was. And I said, who is it?

[D]

Oh, like, I didn't even know who it was.

[C]

No, I had no idea who was. And then she told me, and then I stopped him on Instagram.

[D]

Okay, so were you fully blind?

[B]

I was blind because they said, don't look at her Instagram.

[D]

Oh.

[B]

And they just like, hey, her name's Maddie. But here's the crazy thing. Six months before I got set up with Maddie on a blind date, she walks into the church I was working at. I look at her, she's wearing these Jordans. I was like, who is this girl? And my friend was like, oh, that's Maddie. She went on the show, like, don't even bother. And, like, said, I didn't have a shot. I was like, come on, bro. And same friend goes on this podcast and is like, hey, you should go on a blind date.

[D]

Me with.

[B]

With my friend. I come home for Thanksgiving break, and he goes, grant, you gotta go on a date. December 3rd, it was like, November. He's like, December 3rd, you can't say no. I was like, dude, what? And he literally goes, Grant, you miss 100% of the shots you don't take. And I was like, I'm going. He's like, okay, her name is Maddie. It's the girl you saw walk in, but don't look up anything. And so, like, I knew who she was, but that was the extent. I didn't, like, know anything else. Okay.

[A]

So.

[C]

Yeah, But I just. I had this crazy feeling, like, whenever he came to pick me up, I had, like, the craziest feeling. I just was like, this feels different. And I, like, never get nervous. And I was so nervous. Like, I just was, like, sweating. I was, like, asking my roommate.

[B]

She's chewing her gum, like, smacking my gum.

[C]

I was like, do I look okay? Do I need a change? Like, I was so nervous.

[B]

And I was, too.

[C]

He came and picked me up. And one thing my dad is always so big on, Gentleman. He's like, whoever you date, better open your door.

[A]

Okay?

[D]

So I.

[C]

It's, like, ingrained in me. I'm like, okay, I'm testing. Like, he's got to open my door.

[D]

So we.

[C]

We go outside to the car. He's, like, so, like, in his head, nervous. He doesn't open My door. My car door. So I'm just sitting here and I'm.

[B]

Like, I'm so nervous.

[C]

I forget to open my door and I close it. Open my door when we get there. And I'm like. So I'm already kind of like, ah, off to a bad.

[B]

I opened your door when we got there. Right.

[D]

I can't remember.

[B]

Yeah. But I just.

[C]

I do know the first one. You did not.

[B]

And it was like, listen, I'm raised in the South. I'm Dallas. So I'm like, always opening up doors.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And literally in my head, I'm thinking, open up a door. Open up a door as we're walking in the car and just go straight to mine. And then I hit one of these.

[C]

So I'm like, X.

[B]

You know when you're stuck in the. And you try and reach over to open up their door like that, like.

[C]

Kind of be cool. So he's like, ah. Anyways, we.

[B]

I addressed it immediately. I said, listen, I'm so sorry. I should have opened your door. It wasn't like, I just forgot.

[C]

We get to the restaurant and we sit down, and I'm just like. His joy was so evident. Like, he just was, like, so joyful. And the way he talked to, like, the waitress and the waiter, like, it just. I like him. Like, he's. He's special. Like, the way he's, like, just so kind with everyone and full of joy. I was just, like, so drawn to it. And as we began to, like, share our stories and just, like, what God had done in our life and what we felt called to do with our life, I just felt a radical, like, piece of. I'm gonna marry this man. And I literally texted my mom. He, like, goes up to go to the bathroom, and I texted my mom. And I was like, I'm gonna marry him. Like, this is my husband. And this was like, an hour into the date.

[B]

Meanwhile, he's like, I'm sweating, thinking the date is going just okay. I'm like, I'm not doing that good. And she's going, mom, I just found the man I'm gonna marry.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And that I feel like, is different than guys and girls.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, oh, my gosh. She like me. Is this okay? But anyways, we got in the car afterwards, and I was like, hey, you wanna listen to, like, some Drake and drive around the car and drive around the city? And she literally had been like, hey, here's what I want in the husband I'm gonna marry.

[C]

You know what's like you know, like, the weird, like, little things that you're like, this isn't, like, a deal breaker, but this would just be, like, cherry on top, like, so sweet. One of those things was like, I just love to, like, turn on some fun music, drive around and just, like, sing, have a good time. You know, laugh, chill. And I randomly had said, like, a couple weeks prior. I was like, it would just be so sweet if, like, I went on a date. And, you know, the guy was like, you want to just drive around and listen to, like, some fun music? I literally said that. And then he looks at me as soon as we get in the car, and he's like, you want to just drive around and, like, listen to some music?

[A]

Which Drake song was.

[B]

Man, this was so with. That was like, three years ago, it was probably like. Nothing was the same album. Okay?

[C]

We went way back.

[B]

We were. Nothing was the same, but we did.

[C]

Stop halfway through, and we prayed for Drake.

[B]

We prayed for Drake.

[A]

Really? What did you pray for Drake? What did you ask?

[B]

Well, we prayed for his salvation. Like, I don't know what he's going through. But here's what we do know, Matt and Abby. Here's what we do know, that you can have the whole world and be so empty. And so you see that we. And y' all see that you're around so many people that have influence and you can have. I grew up in. You know, my dad went from homeless with his mom to sold his company for $3.2 billion. And I'm kind of leaning into a serious moment. And I remember him telling me, he said, grant, I was homeless at the park with my mom. I went home after selling my company for $3 billion.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He said, the feeling didn't change. Everyone told me when I got here, I would be happy and satisfied. He said, money and success only allows for you to look for happiness in a better neighborhood. He said, I went home to the hotel, and I remember everyone went out to party, and I'm home alone. He said, all I could do was pick up a pen and write down the next thing I could accomplish. And so for two to three years, he was buying the houses, doing the things, everything that his heart. He was abandoned by his dad. And so he said, I know it's going to fix all this, and it was going to be money. And in the midst of all that, he's just, like, searching. And money satisfies for a while until it doesn't. And so he hits this point. My mom gets radically saved, and she starts telling him about a heavenly father. And he's like, I want nothing to do with a heavenly father.

[C]

Because he's like, my father abandoned me and abused me.

[B]

So yeah, and this is crazy, and I've told this story before, but my dad was born out of rape. So 15 year old mom gets raped, can't afford the hospital, so it has him in a parking lot. Those families lived on the same set of land divided by a fence. And they say, hey, we're not going to let this get out. Y' all are getting married. So she had to marry into that situation. So that dad that did that to that to his mom, he's now looking at this baby, my dad as like, you ruined my life. So he would leave for a month, come home, beat him, you ruined my life. So my dad grew up with this, this just like hole of abandonment. Well, anyways, he got everything the world says should be happy. That's the American dream. Homeless to billionaire. And he's sitting in this moment and mom gets radically saved. She's like, oh, wait, Jesus Christ, this is what I was made for. Starts telling my dad about a heavenly father. He's like, I'm out. Two years into that, he opens up his Bible to say, hey, I'm going to show you how stupid this is.

[C]

I'm going to prove you wrong.

[B]

I'm going to prove you wrong. And begins to read this Bible. And God gets his foot in the door. And at 3am, the Cayman Islands. My dad hears this debate on the tv. He didn't turn it on, it just came on. And it's a Christian, atheist, Muslim and a Hindu, all the religions. And the Christian goes, hey, we all agree upon one thing. There's a higher power. But here's where we disagree is how to get there. He says, let's say all of you are right. Every other religion, let's say you're right. I still get in. I live the same life that you do. I still get into y' all's heaven. But let's say I'm right. That Jesus Christ said, I'm the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. He said, there's a tremendous downside for you. My dad was raised by his uncle who would host these underground poker tournaments. He would deal my dad hands all day and make him calculate the percentage of what his hand would be. In this moment. The calculations of the percentages come into his mind. He gets on his knees at 3am, gives his life to Christ. And that's when our Family just, like, shifted from we have things of the world to, oh, wait, there's more. All that to say. I went so deep to say Drizzy Drake, who I love, can have the whole world, and my dad actually has, and I don't want this is not arrogant at all. He has maybe more money than Drake. But here's the crazy thing is everybody at that level is searching for something more.

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, dude, a lot.

[C]

It's like, how much time do you have?

[B]

That's a great question, man. I love people, genuinely. Like, I feel like I really just love people. And I forget that that's a part of my life. Not in a way that I don't, like, really, really appreciate and love, and I'm so grateful, but I forget that at times I walk in a room and that's attached to me. Like, I really do. I think I've just had to learn that, like, you will be misunderstood, People will misassign things. People will put things on you, and that's okay. And it's not even wrong that they do. It's just like, her and I both talked about that. When we meet people, at times it feels like we start down here, and it's almost like, hey, prove to me that you're legit. Yeah, I'm not sure how y' all feel about all that. Anyways, I'd love to hear y' all's perspective through success and stuff, but I always talk to Matty about this. You can either be LeBron on the Cavs when he first got drafted, or you can be LeBron on the Heat. And if y' all are y', all.

[D]

You'Ll have to really explain what's okay.

[A]

You're not really sports.

[B]

Y' all know LeBron James?

[A]

Yes, we know LeBron.

[B]

Yeah. Not personally. I, I. Anyways, it's a long story.

[A]

You know LeBron James?

[B]

We have a moment. I grabbed his calf.

[A]

What?

[B]

Yeah, his calf. Anyways.

[D]

Well, no, you just blame the calf.

[A]

Why have you touched LeBron? I didn't know the story.

[B]

Let me tell the story really quick. LeBron James was from Akron, Ohio. He was dubbed the chosen one on the COVID of Sports Illustrated at 16. He was Ohio's guy. Cleveland, Ohio, the basketball team, they drafted him. So he's like this hometown hero, and he was 18 years old in the NBA. He was so free, young, joyful, happy. Well, when he was 25, after he had been Cleveland's guy for so long, he decided, I'm leaving Cleveland, and I'm going to play for the Miami Heat. Now, everyone who loved LeBron, all of a sudden, there was all these viral videos. They were burning his jersey. You're a traitor. Because he was going to play with some other superstars in Miami. Now, LeBron, who's a human being, went from the world loving you to the world hating you. You became villain. Yeah, he changed his number from 23 to 6. He started wearing this dark mask. He had, like, broken his nose. He put on this all black mask and literally started playing into what everyone was saying about him. You could literally see it on him. You saw, like, a. A free kid to, like, a really hurt kind of, like, villain. And I always tell Matti, I said, hey, when we play into what people want to say about us, what they want to assume about us, you can put the hood on and go, well, forget it. If that's who you think I am, then like, I'll be that. And that's extreme. But I can get really hurt from hearing what some people say. And you can almost put the hood on and go, you don't like, forget you. You don't get me. Like, no one gets me. Dangerous place to be. I always want to be in a place of I'm going to love you with my joy. Kill him with kindness is that kind of phrase, like all that to say. I think there's times I can be misunderstood with that. And also I get it, I get it, man. Like, hey, I get the stuff where you go, it's easy to be a Christian when you have money or what do you have to worry about? Go cry in the range. I get all that, man. I'm not fighting that at all. And there are different problems and no one is exempt from pain and no one is exempt from teary eyed nights and struggles. You know, they may look different, but there's weight all around. And so I would just say, like, I have compassion and grace for that. I don't hold, I don't. There's no anger at anybody. And also I do want people to see the joy and the love and the genuine, like, I'm just a relational, optimistic person and that can try and make me like, you can't trust anybody. You can't. And I just don't want to ever like flow out of that place.

[C]

Well, and Grant is just so opposite of like everything that like when you hear billion or you hear wealth, like he just couldn't be more opposite of what is typically associated with that. And he could stay in the same T shirt from H and M or Walmart every single day. He finds the person in the room that like everybody else overlooks and you know, everybody's trying to find the most important person in the room to like climb the social ladder. He finds the person that everybody else overlooks and he loves on them, he gets to know them, he like continues a relationship with them. He genuinely lives his life to serve people and to help people and that is constantly at the forefront of his mind. And so like, I'm just so grateful that I am led by a man who like, even if he was born into that and he like, you know, you can't control necessarily what you're born into, but like he was born into wealth but yet he doesn't live his life as if that is even a factor that we try not to live our life like that's a factor and just continuously position ourselves In a place of like, how can we give? How can we live as servants? How can we continue to just, you know, give what's been given to us back? And I'm so grateful.

[B]

Thanks for saying all that. And there's so many benefits. Like the house we live in here in Tennessee. So grateful, you know, the cars we drive. So grateful. There's things that I'm like, yeah, that's. I'm so happy. I'm so grateful about that. But that doesn't define who I am. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

You know, totally. Yeah. I mean, just a little bit from our, what we've experienced as people also in the public eye. I know we've had simple stuff like there was an article about YouTubers buying houses in Hawaii. And we were listed as someone that bought a house in Hawaii. When we didn't, we were living, we were renting and we lived there for 11 months and we moved back. And there's also, you know, there's, there's articles about our net worth that are, you know, I wish they were true. They. Yeah, they say that we are worth like way more than we are.

[B]

That's generous, brother.

[A]

We, we are, you know, we're very blessed. We're very lucky. But I'm like, man, that is like 10x of what it actually is. You know, it's just like so, I mean, has there been ever been anything like that with you guys where something's been published or a rumor that's been spread where you're like, that is literally completely untrue and it's like in it, you know, drives you crazy.

[C]

Oh, even our wedding, I mean people even thought our wedding, we dropped like $4 million on our wedding. Really?

[A]

No, someone said it was $4 million.

[C]

Oh yeah. Like people were making tiktoks and reels like, okay, going off of this assessment and how much these flowers would cost and this, this, this, this. And they like estimated that it was like $4 million and was like, wow. I mean, 4 million dollar wedding, that's awesome. Was not our story, but we were blessed to like be able to do the wedding at his parents house, you know, which just had a beautiful backyard. And so like our venue was free and you know, it's like things like that that we were super grateful for. And I partnered with like, you know, some different brands and stuff that were so kind and generous. But yeah, our wedding was not 4 million, not even a fraction of that.

[A]

It's funny you mentioned that because I saw like something pop up about like 1.5 and somebody was like. No, it was. It was a million dollars on flowers. Like, people were like, everyone has, like, their. Their estimation, right? So that's. That's interesting that you. That you say that, because I was. I was curious. I was like, I. I wonder. I wonder what it was.

[C]

I wonder what it was. No. Yeah. And it's. It's just. Yeah, it's funny. Like, people want to have opinions and, like, to place them and make them. But I think for us, what's been most important is, like, doing life with people that are just going to continuously keep us grounded and, like, call us out, Call out our blind spots, point us back to the truth and what really matters. Because it's so easy to get lost in the sauce. It's so easy to, like, get caught up in what, you know, everybody else is chasing, but also to get caught up in what everybody else thinks. It's like, oh, they think this about me. So now I got to prove myself or I got to keep and maintain, you know, this opinion about me. Like, I want to continue to be liked by everybody. I want to continue to be seen this way, or I want to, you know, create this narrative for me. It's just so easy to get caught up in all that stuff, and it's exhausting. You know, you just will find yourself, like, constantly exhausted and overwhelmed by that. It is hard when you get a lot of, like, comments and.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And you find yourself on E. News and People magazine, all those things.

[A]

Okay, wait, let me ask. Ask you guys this, because I'm actually so curious now. Like, ever since Abby and I started, you know, making money, we've been generous. We've been, like, wanting to support charities that we really love. I always thought about, man, yeah, the more money that I can make, the more I can give. The more that I can help fund charities like Charity Water, the more that I can give. There's also a charity called GiveWell, where they find the best, like, the charities that are doing the most to help save lives per dollar spent, you know, because some charities, you have to spend millions of dollars to save one life. Well, give. Give. Well, they literally.

[D]

So, like, such a maximizer.

[A]

I am.

[D]

No, it usually has to do with malaria, actually.

[A]

But, yeah, I mean, so for me, I was like, man, I just. It's like. It's a. It's a numbers problem. I want to solve this numbers problem. But what I've been realizing, too, is, like, I've. I have not been volunteering as much as I used to in my youth, and I'm Like, I need a volunteer. Like, it doesn't matter that maybe I could be using that time to raise, like, to make more money than a give to charity. It's like, I want to, like, actually, like, with my hands and my feet, like, volunteer, like, so, like, what's your approach to that? How do you guys balance, like, volunteering, but also giving financially to charities that you. You love?

[B]

When you have money, it's actually a lot easier to write the check and send it and not kind of deal with any of it. It's another thing to give your time and go be with somebody and sit and get dirty and be with them in that. That's where we found a lot of joy. And it doesn't mean you got to go overseas. You know, we meet with this high school crew every Wednesday night, and we love it, But I believe everyone has a gift. So my dad, man, he's so generous. Like, the most generous person I know. I feel a little bit more called to be, like, hands and feet in it. I'd love to hear how you think through it, but I love your heart because there is something about giving up your time because that actually hurts, you know, not saying the money doesn't hurt, but when you have money, you can give money, and you're like, okay, like, yeah, that hurts to give that. But when I'm gonna go spend eight hours on a Saturday morning, that's, like, something else that I think is beautiful.

[C]

That's the most beautiful part of giving is when there's sacrifice. That's the most beautiful part of giving is when it comes with a cost. It's not hard to give when it's not hard to give, you know? And so, like, what does it look like for us to view it from the perspective of, like, if for us, we're in a busier season, then maybe for us in that season, like, giving time is more of a sacrifice than giving money. And so whatever that looks like, I think for us, we're continuously processing, like, what does it look like for us to give out of lack? Where does it look like for us to give in a way that, like, hurts a little bit? That, like, creates a sacrifice that comes with a cost, and it's. We've not arrived. Like, we're continuing to pray through that and continuing to ask question. Like, we're figuring out that question literally. Like, we're like, do we sell everything? Do we move across the globe? You know, do we live on nothing? Do we live in a small apartment and just, like, you know, like, what does it look like if we have a house, you know, then we need to be like hosting in our house. We need to be using our house to serve people. We need to be using our house to wash feet. And like thinking of it in that sense of like, if we have it, we need to give it. If we don't have it, then maybe there's a different form of giving, you know, for somebody who doesn't have access to a lot of money, like, that's okay. There's still so much you can give, whether it's your time, your talent, your resources, your connections, your relationships. And so we're constantly thinking through, I think, all of those different elements and processing through that.

[A]

We got like into a rabbit hole there, but I really like that. How did we get to, you know, Drake?

[B]

We prayed for Dr.

[D]

It was.

[A]

It was praying for Drake.

[B]

So we were on the blind date.

[A]

We were talking about your blind date. And then you guys, we were talking.

[B]

About, you know, where it all started with. We had a really quick. We got engaged after seven months.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

Yes. Okay, so engaged.

[B]

It was seven months.

[A]

You guys got engaged seven months after you met.

[B]

Yeah. And then three month engagement.

[A]

Three month engagement. So within ten months you were married.

[B]

Pops is a basketball coach at Auburn. Was. He looked at me, he said, grant, you can get married in October or April. And I was like, you know what, I'm going to choose. Let's go October. I'm not gonna wait that long. Yeah. And it was a three month engagement.

[A]

Holy cow.

[B]

I felt barely in a bit. That girl carried the weight.

[C]

Yeah, it was. It was a lot.

[D]

You were stressed about the planning and everything.

[C]

Oh, it was a lot. I mean, we had a 400 person wedding, so it was not like a small. I think if we had like just gone and eloped, like.

[B]

Yeah, totally.

[C]

But we planned a big old. A big old gathering. And it was. It was fun. I'm super glad we did it. But it was stressful.

[A]

Was any of that stress? Because this wasn't the first time that you were engaged, Right.

[C]

Wait, what?

[A]

Like, wasn't there.

[C]

I'd never been engaged before.

[A]

Oh, there wasn't. Wait, maybe I. Maybe I totally. Hold up.

[B]

I was like, tell me more, brother, because you may know a story.

[A]

Did I like, mess this up? Then I apologize.

[C]

No, no, you're good. Grant's heart started racing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You're like, wait, where did you get this tea?

[B]

Like, I was like, this is tea?

[C]

Well, he has not ever seen any part of the Bachelor of my episode. So he.

[A]

You've Never seen any of that.

[B]

Not nothing.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Have you ever seen, like, any of the Bachelor ever?

[B]

No. Never?

[A]

Never.

[B]

Okay. I'm a free man, brother. This is America.

[A]

You know how they. Wives will joke that if they're watching, like, the Kardashians or the Bachelor, like, their husbands are like, why are you watching the show? And then the husband. That was me as the kids. My mom would watch the Bachelor, and I would be, like, eating, like, cereal, like, like, late at night because my mom wouldn't let us eat, like, Lucky Charms for breakfast because that's, like, way too sugary. But it was, like, my dessert, right? Like, eating. So just like. Like, what's going on? Like, what's the team like? Oh, my gosh. They're. They're kissing on the show.

[B]

I'm like.

[A]

I'm like, mom, are they, like, married to all these people? Like, what's. How does this work?

[C]

What a pure heart.

[A]

I love it, bro.

[C]

Yeah, it's.

[B]

So. Did you watch her season?

[A]

No, I. I didn't see your season.

[D]

I think I did. I. It was one of the last seasons I watched, but I. I'm, like, trying to figure our age difference, because I'm like. I remember thinking I was like, everyone on the Bachelor is so much older than me. I was probably the same age as, like, all the kids.

[C]

We're 29.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

I'm 26.

[A]

Yeah. 27.

[D]

I feel like I did. I don't remember. How old were you?

[C]

I was, like, 23. 24.

[B]

23.

[D]

So then I was in college. I probably did watch it. I probably.

[C]

That's crazy.

[B]

I love it.

[D]

Like, I knew everyone on the. I feel like I knew of it.

[B]

Were you for Maddie or against Maddie?

[C]

I know she's like, here's the thing.

[D]

I. I was. I was for Maddie. Oh, yes. Boom. Wait, I didn't. It was like a sides thing.

[B]

Who was the other girl that it ended with?

[C]

Well, we're all friends now. Just off the record or just for the record.

[B]

Do you hear that, people?

[A]

They're all friends now.

[B]

All friends now. They're cool. No bad blood.

[C]

No Dr. No truly. So for each other. And. Yeah, her name was Hannah. She was the second. She was on her podcast. They did get engaged.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah, they did get engaged.

[A]

So that was who got engaged.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. Yes.

[C]

So I broke up with him the day before, and then he got engaged to Hannah.

[D]

I certainly watched. This is all coming back to me.

[B]

I certainly watched it.

[A]

Let me just say this. Like, I. I know this.

[C]

Facts were wrong.

[A]

I know My facts were wrong. So, like, take what I say with a grain of salt. But, like, my. I saw a clip.

[D]

Math facts were not facts.

[A]

I believe it was a mother in law that was like, digging into you on live tv. And I was just like, I cannot believe this is real. I wasn't even watching it live. Like, I'm sure, like, live must have been like.

[C]

But, like, live was wild.

[A]

How did you keep your composure?

[C]

I can't remember what aired and what y'.

[A]

All.

[C]

I don't even know if I watched my season all the way through. I'll be very honest. It was traumatizing. I lost, like, 20 pounds. I was like, I very much remove myself from all things Bachelor. Even still to this day, like, I really don't talk about it a ton. So I think there was maybe, if I remember, it's not really remembering totally clearly. I think there was maybe a moment where just essentially the conversation was like, I don't think the two of you make sense and you belong together. Which, I mean, now looking back, I'm like, totally, totally. But I think it was, like, probably said maybe very firmly and not in the kindest way. And then I think headed into finale, it, like, like, was more intense than I think anybody was. I just didn't expect anything other than just like, him and I having an honest conversation of, like, is this even a possibility? And so, yeah, I was very much blindsided by it, was very sad by it. But then I think as soon as it ended, I just was like, you know what? I just trust everything's going to work out the way that it's supposed to. And we ended up, you know, for sure, like, not trying to continue in the relationship. And now looking back, I'm obviously so grateful for that. And the way that even that moment, just, like, it just built up, like a strength, I think, in me of just, like, even having wisdom to know, like, when to speak and when not to speak and, like, what to say and what not to say. And in that moment, showing that sometimes true courage is not saying anything at all. And sometimes true strength is, you know, not defending yourself and, like, popping off. And when I walked off stage, it was really hard. I for sure, like, went and locked myself in a bathroom and cried. And, you know, I feel like it just. Just built some strong skin. And there was definitely continued, I think, even from that moment, like, more things I walked through with just, you know, people talking about me on podcasts and E. News and all kinds of different things. And even today that still stuff happens.

[A]

And Grant not watching her season. Is that so that you protect yourself?

[B]

I just had never seen it. And then when I came to meet her and she started telling me about all the Bachelor story, I was just like, like, I want to know this Maddie right here.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so I don't think she'd want to go see my ex girlfriend moments.

[A]

Yeah, no, that is really unique.

[B]

You know what I'm saying? So I. I just was like, I don't think it's beneficial for. For either of us. Let's just like, let's start here. But tell me all about it. I want to know, you know, how. How was it? How did it hurt? Yeah. How serious was it?

[A]

So you've heard all about it from her?

[B]

Yeah, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was a really hard, hard time for her. And I mean, you sign all these things with Basher that you can't say publicly, but it's like, there's just really hard things that you go through on that show. And so I think I saw someone that had some scars, and so I was like, hey, I just want to know this, Maddie.

[D]

Something about your story. Talking about your first date experience, like, you being, like, texting your mom, like, I'm gonna marry this guy. That stood out to me because you actually were just talking to a couple that were like, she kind of stepped away from the relationship after me. She's like, I didn't feel, like, this overwhelming, like, moment where, like, this is my husband. And so it freaked her out at first. Then they ended up getting back together. All's well, but that stood out to me. And so, like, kind of talk about that moment. Did your experience give you more clarity on what you were looking for? Like, so that moment could be so, like, this is it.

[C]

I had, you know, been on just, you know, a good amount of dates. Like, I just. I believed on, like, saying yes. And so for me, like, seeing lots of different good guys, godly guys, and for me, there were just, like, very specific things that I was praying for in the person that I wanted to partner with for life and build a family with and do ministry with, and I just hadn't seen it. And I felt in some way, shape or form, in every relationship that I had been in prior to Grant, there would have been some little thing in me that felt like I was gonna settle. Like, it was like, if I get in this relationship, maybe there's this aspect of a person that I really, really like, but in this area, I'm gonna have to settle. Like, in this area, I'm just gonna have to be okay with, you know, maybe this thing about their. Their faith or this thing about what they want to do with their life or this whatever. Like, I'm gonna have to settle in some way, shape, or form. So there was a little bit of a lack of peace, and I'm thankful that I leaned into that lack of peace instead of ignoring it and ended those relationships with Grant. It just felt like full confirmation of, like, you're not gonna have to settle. Like, in everything you've been praying for, this man has. That's not to say he's perfect. That's not to say our relationship is perfect. We for sure went through stuff and, you know, even broke up a time or two and our dating experience in those short little 10 months there. But from the beginning, I felt, you know, this is someone that I want to partner with and do life with forever.

[A]

Was that confusing when you guys broke up in that 10 month period? Because I'm sure if, like, texting your mom, I'm gonna marry this man, and then you break up, you probably are like, okay, what? Like, what do I do?

[C]

Oh, Matt, listen, why'd you break up with me? Yeah, he broke up with me.

[B]

She. I'm living in Branson, Missouri, in this, like, cabin, serving these kids. I'm like, literally scrubbing toilets. She's got 2 million followers. She's in this all pink puma jumpsuit, and she's kind of.

[C]

He's judging my fashion. I love fashion.

[B]

And there was some pride in me. If we're gonna go a little spiritual, that was like, hey, mine's the more honorable route, which is like, not a platform, choosing what's not flashy. And so I think when I got set up with her, because of what I had come from, which was money and wealth, I wanted nothing to. I wanted so far to be not in that world. And I think when we were starting to come together, I was just intimidated by the platform. I also was feeling familiar things with just kind of that world of money and fame and just like, I was loving this girl, but I think I was getting fearful of, like, the life. And I was like, this is not what I ever envisioned for a wife. But this girl loves God and loves people. But, like, man, there's some stuff with her. You walk down the street, hey, will you hold this phone? Take a picture. And all of a sudden, you're the guy holding the phone, taking a picture of your girl and some girl, and you're like, oh, that's a weird feeling as a man I'm going to have to, like, wrestle with. You know what I'm saying? Like, you're like, oh, I'm typically the one that is known. Like, now it's her. And so I'm giving you all the details of. There's all these different feelings going on inside of me. Insecurity, pride. Those things are rising up. And once those were like. You know, when you purify gold, you melt it, and the impurities rise and you scrape them off. Then you have pure gold. When I dated Maddie, there is some stuff in here that, because of the level and scale of her, of her life, just kind of, like, heated me up, and there are some impurities that needed to come out. And so when we say break up, we broke up for 12 hours. Went to a Love is Blind. Or I went to Not Love is Blind.

[C]

Oh, Redeeming Love. Have you all read that book?

[D]

Oh, yeah, I read it.

[B]

We've got a crazy story.

[D]

I never watched it, though. Everyone was. I heard some criticism about it.

[B]

Actually, we is. I'll make it really quick.

[D]

Let that deter us.

[B]

We ended for a day. This was the same day I was gonna meet her family.

[C]

Yeah, they had flown in. They had flown in because I was hosting the Redeeming Love premiere.

[A]

Wrong day to break up in Dallas.

[C]

I know. He breaks up with me as my family's getting in.

[A]

Are you, like, crying at the Redeeming Love premiere?

[C]

I'm crying, but here's the thing. I knew it was my husband. So, you know, she's still come. So I. So I tell him she's hosting this.

[B]

She's hosting in a movie theater. Like, you know when somebody grabs the mic. Yeah. She's hosting this movie. All of her best friends and family come to this theater. Grant, you should still come.

[C]

Yeah. I'm like, I think you should still be there. You know, I've read the book I've seen, and I've already previewed the movie. Movie. I'm like, I think you could learn a thing or two about some unconditional love. So I'm like, you should come to Redeeming Love knowing this is gonna.

[B]

So we're not together. We're broken up. I'm meeting mom. I'm meeting sister. Not knowing. Do they know?

[D]

Oh, your parents don't know.

[B]

They did know, but I didn't know.

[C]

Yeah, he didn't know that.

[B]

I was like, she wouldn't tell them. Surely she told everybody. So I'm meeting everybody. Like, hey, mama.

[A]

Like, but we're broken up, and they're looking at you like, who's this?

[B]

Who's this?

[A]

Who's this? A hole that just broke up with my sweet girl.

[B]

All of her best friends are like.

[C]

And why are you here?

[B]

And next thing I know, I'm sitting in this movie next to Maddie, her mom, and sister watching Redeeming Love.

[C]

I'm just like, it is, like, this story of this, like, radical, unconditional, relentless love. Like, no matter what you've been through, I'm gonna pursue you to the end.

[B]

This man that I'm not is on.

[C]

The screen, and it just. It was such a. Honestly, it was just so cool. Like, him, I think, getting to meet just, like, my family. And, like, my mentor was there. She had such a piece that Grant was also my husband, and so she was, like, fighting for it. She meets Grant. She's like, how are you and Maddie doing? And Grant's like, well, actually, I just broke up with her. And she's like, what? She's like, you're coming over to mine and Zach's house tonight, and we're going to talk about this. Like, you guys are going to figure this out. And he ends up going over, like, the next day, and they just, like, really encouraged him and just affirmed, like, a lot of the things that even, like, I had been through and had to work through. It was really good. But by the end of the night after the premiere, we were, like, holding hands and back together. Long story short, so when we say.

[B]

Broke up, it was, like, we had a few moments questioning, but I think, like. And I'm not sure if y' all had that since eighth grade. I'm sure y' all had some moments.

[D]

We were too young. Like, it's, like, hard to even remember.

[B]

Yeah. When did y' all get married? How old?

[D]

I was was 20.

[B]

Wow.

[D]

That's what I was saying. I was like, I actually might not have because I was living with Matt then. So I was like, I definitely knew of you, but I, like, definitely don't know if I watched the whole season because Matt would never watch that stuff with me.

[A]

Sorry.

[D]

And I got married so young that I was like, I have an out of reality TV for a while.

[B]

You were 21?

[A]

I was 21, yeah.

[B]

Unreal.

[D]

Yeah. I was engaged at 19. That sounds even crazier. Right?

[C]

Like, and was that just, like, y' all been dating for a long time? You were like, we dated for three years.

[D]

We were, like, so ready.

[A]

Like, I walked into college telling. Literally, we were telling everyone, we're gonna.

[D]

Get married at, like, for a Long time.

[B]

Were y' all doing YouTube stuff before this?

[D]

No, we waited till we got married. We were like, everywhere.

[C]

Like, we're gonna.

[D]

We're basically married now, but we're gonna be married in, like.

[C]

What were you all doing before when y' all got married?

[A]

We were in. We were in college, and we were. We were both working part time just so we could afford to get married. Because I was like, we need to be able to financially, like, pay for stuff if we're gonna get married.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

But we definitely had moments. I even remember the day of our rehearsal. I freaked out in my parents kitchen. I was like, oh, my gosh. I think the weight of, like, that decision is so heavy. You're like, oh, my God, for sure.

[A]

Did you have any freakouts, like, the day before the wedding?

[B]

I didn't. I think we dealt with them all by that point.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Love was like.

[C]

Was the seal.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay, but hold up. You guys met and got married within 10 months like that? I was quick. So quick. Like, the honeymoon stage, that, like, that feeling of, like, this person is perfect, you know, like that. That just. That infatuation. How long did that last? Because I think from. From our experience, I want to say it was around two years that, like, I noticed that it, like, slowly faded off.

[B]

Of marriage?

[A]

No, no. Of being together.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So it was before we got married that the infatuation stage weared off. How long did the infatuation stage last for you guys?

[C]

We're both very emotional, passionate people, so our first, like, probably four months of dating, we were just like, very. Feelings based, like, just, like, so riding the high of, like, High School Musical love. I mean, just like, you know, and I think the wake up calls, like, the Redeeming Love premier situation was good. But then I feel like we just. We really walked through some hard stuff with, you know, public. Just, like, hate when we went public and dealing with a lot of just, like, hate and criticism. His grandmother passing away, figuring out platform, figuring out wealth. A lot of stuff that just comes with that.

[B]

I got a surgery that. You.

[C]

You had a surgery? Like, he had a hip replacement as we were engaged, like, I think a month out from our wedding. So there was just. There was a lot of, like, really serious stuff that we walked through. My. My great grandmother passed away, so it was just like.

[B]

It takes away the. Yeah. It's like, hey, are we gonna do this or not?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, can we. Can we go through hard things together?

[C]

Right?

[B]

And that's what. It just kind of burned it all.

[C]

Away because we say a lot. You know, I think it's very easy to say, like, you know, marry your best friend. Get married to the person that, you know, you have the most fun with, which is true. Like, marry your best friend. And like thinking through the, the thought process of like, who do I want to suffer with? Like, life is going to come with some really, really hard moments. And so who's the person not only that I want to laugh with and have fun with, but who's going to be the person that's going to like, be stable and steady and like a rock and someone who's, you know, going to be there when we're going through really, really hard stuff. That's been huge for us too, of just like when you go through hard things, like making sure we're leaning on the right thing and turning to the right thing. And so we saw that early on is like, yeah, who, who do you want to suffer with and who do you want to walk through really hard things with? Who do you want to like, like parent your kids one day? Like, we were just, we, we very much saw it, like we were definitely dating with the intention to marry. So it was like, okay, if our end goal is marriage, like, you know, our first few months, I feel like was the, was the like honeymoon fun? Like high school music and then it, and then we were like, let's, you know, be serious about this. Let's have the like, serious conversations if we're actually, you know, gonna do life together forever. Like, let's ask the hard stuff, let's dig in, let's really pray, let's bring in wise counsel, let's ask other people. What do you see on our relationship? Are there any blind spots that we'? Overlooking? I think us both having our own individual community and mentorship was really important. Especially when you're talking about like a fast paced relationship. Having those people in your life that can kind of, if, if we were like out of line, it's like, hey, well maybe consider this, you know, and we just had a lot of people in our life that we trusted that if they had been like, hey, I don't think y' all are ready to get married, like, you know, maybe we would have hit the brakes for a second.

[D]

But it's also a different season of life, right? Like, if we would have done that when we were 17, that maybe even illegal, I don't know.

[B]

Can you?

[D]

Like, it probably depends on the state actually.

[A]

I know we have a friend that got married when they were 17, so.

[D]

I think it is Legal. Yeah, usually in some states it's legal.

[B]

Where do they live?

[A]

Oh, it was in Utah.

[B]

Yeah, Utah. Makes sense. Yeah.

[C]

My parents got married 18, and both of our parents had really short, like, six months.

[B]

Oh, really?

[C]

Yeah. Like, met, married, all within, like, six to eight months. So we kind of, like, just only made sense. Yeah.

[D]

Like, here we go.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

That's awesome.

[A]

Well, you guys, thank you so much for coming on the pod. It was. It was a pleasure getting to speak with you both and hear your story. What is the best way people can connect with you?

[D]

Yeah, the Stay True podcast.

[C]

Stay True podcast. One of my favorite things that. That I get to do and be a part of. I have a new book called Dare to Be True coming out, which is super exciting. You've written two other books, so this is my third book, and this was my passion project, the one. This was the book I like, like, literally almost quit multiple times. It was really hard, and just a lot of moments of feeling too overwhelmed by it. But a message I'm so passionate about and a message that has changed my life and that I truly believe would change anybody's life. Who reads it and then just Instagram. Maddie, Prue, Grant.

[B]

I'm off IG for a year.

[C]

He's off ig.

[B]

No way. No socials, no nothing. You can't find your boy. You can just find my girl.

[D]

Wow.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Well, yeah, check out Maddie's Instagram. And your book. Book launches very soon.

[C]

I'm guessing September 23rd.

[A]

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