End of pregnancy Q&A

Summary

The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby
Episode: End of Pregnancy Q&A
Release Date: July 22, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this candid and heartwarming episode, high school sweethearts and hosts Matt and Abby Howard dive into the whirlwind that is the “end of pregnancy” stage as they await the arrival of their third child. Broadcasting from their home in Phoenix, AZ, the Howards share honest reflections on preparing for another baby, adjusting family routines, navigating big transitions like school for their older boys, launching a new business, and answering listener questions. True to their approachable and humorous tone, the conversation is filled with laughter, emotional moments, practical tips, and many memorable stories from their daily life.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Final Stretch: Third Pregnancy Realities

• Physical and Emotional Readiness

  • Abby discusses the awkwardness and humor of late-pregnancy life, including “pants down appointments” and dealing with the discomforts of the third trimester (00:18; 01:16).
  • “I literally can't believe I'm just sitting here in pee pee pants right now. Is that okay?” — Abby (00:46)

• Birth Preparation and Mindset

  • The couple talk about their doula’s advice to watch positive birth stories, and Abby expresses her wish for this birth to be “fun, is that too much to ask?” (05:06; 05:31)
  • Matt shares a family belief: “My mom told me that every time she gave birth, it got easier. That's scientific.” (07:42–07:54)

• Having a Doula (vs. Past Births)

  • Matt and Abby are excited about working with a doula for the first time and note the difference in support compared to previous pregnancies—a doula brings more emotional and bedside support (23:31, 24:11, 25:26).
  • “It's almost like the doula is there more for your feelings, and the doctor is there more for your health.” — Matt (25:52)

2. Family Transitions: Growing from Four to Five

• Logistics of Adjusting to Three Boys

  • The couple detail their plan for the newborn stage, including having their older kids stay with grandparents for the first week to allow for bonding and recovery (29:47–31:08).
  • Discussion on splitting nighttime duties: Matt takes toddler duty, while Abby handles newborn feedings (34:02–35:30).

• Preparing Siblings for Change

  • Their boys are excited about school and meeting their new brother, but Abby gets emotional about them starting preschool.
    • “Then I thought about them having their little backpacks on, walking into school... I think we should unenroll them.” — Abby (32:17–32:30)

• Organization and Nesting

  • Abby shares her intense nesting efforts, organizing the house and kids’ spaces to prepare for baby (41:59–43:07).
  • Matt points out benefits of decluttering and the neighborhood’s bulk trash system: “Another man's trash is another man's treasure.” (44:20)

3. Business: Launching Biswell Beauty

• Why They Did It Differently

  • Abby describes starting their own mascara brand from scratch instead of partnering or private labeling (10:29–11:55).
  • She walks through the complexity of formulation, testing, regulation, and handling logistics themselves — noting a 75-page product spec document! (12:49–13:08)
    • “It's literally chemistry. We're working with a lab...so many steps to it.” — Abby (12:15)

• Balancing Ambition and Reality

  • Thoughts on product development focused on “five-minute” beauty routines for busy moms (15:37–16:18).
  • Both celebrate the successful launch but share frustrations over inventory limitations and not yet being able to ship internationally (19:22–20:53).
    • “Like, I didn't know this, you guys. In Canada, you have to have everything, like, in French.” — Matt (20:06)

4. Parenting, Marriage, and Mental Wellness

• Parenting Philosophy and Household Dynamics

  • The pair discuss organizing toys, teaching independence, and the realities of parenting with humor and practical advice.
    • “If you have all your kids' toys, like, super organized, they'll get more play out of them.” — Abby (41:13–41:27)
  • Reflections on their kids’ progress with independence and potty training, and gearing up for a “diaper-heavy” season again (63:05–64:39).

• Marriage and Connection

  • They describe reinstating weekly date nights, thanks to couples therapy:
    • “That's the thing about being parents is that, like, you really appreciate the smaller, like, moments that you can get away so much more.” — Abby (59:27–59:43)

• Mental Health

  • Abby and Matt underscore the importance of mental health and therapy, particularly as parents (45:06–45:31).

5. Listener Q&A Segment

• Dog Life & Neighborhood Drama
  • Their golden retriever Pretzel’s escapades: from swimming laps in the pool to having the cops called by a neighbor for supposedly being left outside too long (48:09–47:26).
• Living in Arizona
  • They reflect on the heat, pros and cons, and compare life in Arizona vs. Missouri.
    • “I would say ask me [about liking Arizona]…not in the month of July.” — Matt (51:12)
• Travel & Family Updates
  • Recent travel to Turkey for Matt’s brother’s hair transplant and funny moments with Turkish ice cream vendors (68:00–73:59).
  • Musings on returning to Missouri, missing four seasons, but ultimately feeling at home in Arizona (57:03–58:43).
• The “Dad Bod” & Relationship Questions
  • A playful exchange about whether the “dad bod” is real, with Abby complimenting Matt:
    • “You don't have a soft midsection literally, at all.” — Abby (56:33)
• Preparations for the Baby
  • Preparing the house, arranging support network, and Abby’s plans for a cozy postpartum period with “Gilmore Girls” (66:06–67:13).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Vulnerability in Pregnancy:
  “If you're a woman, you kind of have to get over that really quick — especially when it comes to birthing a human.” — Abby (04:33)

• On Launching a Business as a Mom:
  “If makeup is gonna take more than honestly five minutes, it's like, I can't afford that amount of time.” — Abby (13:58)

• On Parenting Changes:
  “Two is compact when you really think about it. A family of four. Three kids is a logistical jump, for sure.” — Abby (38:01)

• On Independence:
  “He is able to pick out outfits every single day for himself and put his pajamas away, throw their pull ups away. They're very independent boys and I'm very proud of them for that.” — Abby (63:09)

• On Therapy:
  “I have seen so much progress in myself through therapy... especially as a parent. I truly recommend BetterHelp because of how accessible they are.” — Abby (45:06)

• Humor & Realness

  • Confusion over anatomy terms, “the C word,” and birth videos (06:49–07:19)
  • Abby’s emotional reflection on her boys starting school (32:14–32:48)
  • The saga of the neighbor who called the cops on their dog (46:00–47:26)
  • The Turkish ice cream prank and confusion about national names (68:00–73:59)

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Timestamps for Important Topics

• Pregnancy Humor and Real Talk: 00:18–03:02
• Birth Preparation & Doula Discussion: 05:06–07:54; 23:31–25:59
• Launching Biswell Beauty: 09:18–13:58
• Sibling Adjustments & School: 29:47–33:52
• Home Organization & Nesting: 41:27–43:07
• Planning for Three Kids & the "Mom Car": 36:01–38:01
• Arizona vs. Missouri & Travel Reflection: 51:11–58:43; 68:00–73:59
• Parenting Independence & Potty Training: 63:05–64:39
• Listener Q&A (Dog, Living, Hair Transplants): 48:09–76:34
• Wrap Up/Future Guests: 77:19–77:44

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Tone & Takeaways

Matt and Abby bring warmth, self-deprecating humor, and genuine emotion to this snapshot of family life at a big transition point. Whether you're a seasoned parent, soon-to-be, or just a fan of authentic relationship talk, their willingness to share the struggles, joys, and everyday chaos is both relatable and refreshing. The episode is a heartfelt testament to teamwork in marriage, parenting flexibility, and the importance of community, support, and laughter as a family grows.

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Next up: Guest takeovers and, quite possibly, a new baby!

Transcript

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[B]

I just came to the realization I have my first pants down appointment tomorrow.

[A]

I'm offended you didn't ask people to help. How do you feel about our boys starting school?

[B]

I was listening to the Finding Nemo story with them today. They were like, first day of school, and then he comes back and he says, I love you, dad. Then I thought about them having their little backpacks on.

[A]

You're so sweet. You're so sweet.

[B]

My goal for this birthday is just to have fun. I wanna have fun. Is that too much to ask?

[A]

I love that for you.

[B]

I literally can't believe I'm just sitting here in pee pee pants right now. Is that okay?

[A]

What's up, dudes? Welcome back to Unplanned. You guys. We just had a very controversial play out right here in this room. I asked Abby if she made tilapia for me in the air fryer, and she was like, no, I didn't, but you can have it. And I was like, no, that's not what happened. Okay, wait, I was wrong. Take it away. What happened?

[B]

You come in here.

[A]

That's not what happened.

[B]

You come in here and you said, hey, are you gonna eat that tilapia that's in the air fryer? And I said, yeah, but if you want it, you can have it.

[A]

That's right. That's right. You did first say, yes, I'm eating this.

[B]

Well, I said, yeah, I was planning on eating it. Okay, but you can have it if you want it.

[A]

I feel like you said it. I feel like the way you delivered it was more like, no, like, have it. I don't. I don't even want that anymore. That nasty piece of fish.

[B]

No, I did give you permission to eat it. And then you did eat it. And then I was like, you actually ate that?

[A]

Guys, what do you do? Comment down below if your spouse tells you that you can, like, eat something or do something and then they walk it back. Who's the problem?

[B]

I'm not even hungry, so it's fine. I just was trying to be silly.

[A]

I'm always very impressed at, like, what. You're like, what? Gotta be careful how I say this. You never. You never know. You could be clipped these days at

[B]

how much I Eat.

[A]

I. I'm impressed. Yeah, you're able to, like,

[C]

but I

[B]

feel like I get that a lot.

[A]

But I feel like you're not able to eat as much right now because of limited. Limited real estate.

[B]

I know I'm inhibited in.

[A]

In the belly area.

[B]

I know it's frustrating. I. I used to eat so much more.

[A]

Does that make you upset that you're not able. Like. Like, do you want to taste that delicious flavor of food I personally eat for?

[B]

Funny about me.

[A]

What?

[B]

I don't have to enjoy the taste of it to eat it?

[A]

Are you kidding me?

[B]

We were just talking about that with our friends.

[A]

I love eating for fun.

[B]

No, I love eating too. Like, I love eating foods I like, but also, I don't have to like it, and I'll just eat it.

[A]

That quote from the Grinch, Am I just eating because I'm bored? That's literally me all the time.

[B]

You know what? I was just thinking about a quote from the Grinch today.

[A]

What was it?

[B]

Look at that hack job.

[A]

What made you think about that quote? Oh, my God. I know exactly what you're talking about. You just peed yourself. Oh, gosh. I'm so sorry. Do you need. Do you need anything?

[B]

No, I just. I just came to the realization that I had my first pants down appointment tomorrow, so I just needed to do something.

[A]

I'm offended you didn't ask for me for. It's like a whistle. You're, like, whistling when you laugh that hard.

[B]

It's so, so bad. I can't help that, by the way. I literally cannot help that.

[A]

You got that from your papa, did it?

[B]

I know. And it makes me miss him now that it's so strong.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, shout out to papa. But his belly did kind of look like this, so that's probably where it came from. And that's why I loved him. What are we talking about?

[A]

We're talking about, oh, I have a

[B]

first pants down appointment. I was supposed to take the kids with me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then I was like, that's probably not gonna happen now. So they're gonna hang out with while you have. I think you have a work call. So that. I'm like, well, guess I'm just going by myself.

[A]

How does. How does that feel? Having. Having all of that?

[B]

It's fine.

[A]

Vulnerability.

[B]

Oh, do you think? I. I don't care about that literally at all.

[A]

Yeah. You know, if you're a woman, you kind of have to get over that really quick. Especially when it comes to birthing a human.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

You know, Like, I. I don't know. I mean, that is intimidating to be like.

[B]

Well, it's also a woman. I feel like I would feel a little less comfortable if it wasn't.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[B]

That's part of my criteria. But other people don't have that criteria. That's fine. It's not like I've never seen a male doctor, but it's been few and far between.

[A]

I love that clip you sent me of the. Of the doctor. The really chill doctor. That was the male. The really chill doctor. Ah. We should.

[B]

We've been. Okay, so we were instructed by our doula to watch, like, births, which I don't think Matt's watched that many births. Except for that one.

[A]

Yeah, we've been instructed to watch positive.

[B]

Positive experiences.

[A]

Exactly. To think positively.

[B]

Yeah. But sometimes even the positive ones don't feel so positive at times if they're unmedicated.

[A]

Oh, gosh.

[B]

Like, positive birth story. And then it's like, on. It's like. And I'm like, that's not positive.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I said my goal for this birth is just to have fun. I want to have fun. Is that too much to ask?

[A]

I love that for you.

[B]

I literally can't believe I'm just sitting here in pee pee pants right now. Is that okay?

[A]

Oh, my gosh.

[B]

I feel like it's just a trickle.

[A]

Okay, well, if you're okay with it, I'm okay with it.

[B]

I mean, I'm not loving it.

[A]

Okay. If you want to go change, by all means.

[B]

That sounds worse.

[A]

That does sound going up.

[B]

I'm not going to do it again.

[A]

Be honest. Would you be happy if I installed one of those, like, chair lifts to go up and down?

[B]

I think that'd be a really good investment.

[A]

Like, that they have at, like, hospitals and stuff.

[B]

That'd be a really good investment for the next, like, four weeks.

[A]

And school. Schools have those. You know, if someone is in a wheelchair, then they can. They can take the little chair.

[B]

Honestly, I feel like it would be a good investment for a lot of reasons.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We could have our house be ADA compliant finally.

[A]

Just for you.

[B]

No, for anyone that comes to our house that has.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Any type of handicap.

[A]

No.

[B]

What I was saying is our doula told us to watch positive births, and I don't think Matt's watching. Except for the one I sent you. And the doctor was this male ob. He was so chill. And the reason I sent it to you because is he was instructing the dad how to catch the baby.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's actually not Going to describe the video.

[A]

There is a little bit we. Our humor has gotten a bit more adult. I mean, like, there were some terms thrown around there that. That were pretty. Pretty.

[B]

It's anatomy.

[A]

Yeah. Human anatomy terms.

[B]

Yeah. But actually, isn't this C word anatomy, too?

[A]

I think so. Yeah.

[B]

See, but that one doesn't feel like anatomy. That feels like a bad word.

[A]

It's just so. It's just a little taboo, you know? Yeah, but like a preface. It's not a little taboo. Not the C. Like, not the C word. C word. Are you talking. Which C word are you talking about? The C word. You're talking about the C word? C word, yeah.

[B]

Is that. Is that anatomy?

[A]

That's not an actual.

[B]

That's an actual body part.

[A]

But that's like. That's derogatory. Unless you're in the uk.

[B]

You're still excited to catch the baby?

[A]

I am. I am, yeah. We decide, guys, why does that feel

[B]

like a pipe dream right now? Like, actually, like, going in, giving birth, everything being, like, successful, like, in my head, I'm like, it's gonna happen, but I'm also like, can't picture it.

[A]

Yeah. I truly think it's gonna be the best birth experience ever, personally.

[B]

That's the type of energy looks.

[A]

And my thought process is based in science because my mom told me that every time she gave birth, it got easier.

[B]

That's scientific.

[A]

Yep. So science. But there's truth to that.

[B]

You and your mom were talking about it. That's sweet.

[A]

I mean, my whole life, she was always like, oh, the. The first was awful. I thought I was going to die. And then she's like. And then by the third, it was like, pop out, like, so easy.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Did you guys talk about it recently when they were in town?

[A]

I feel like she's talked about it with you and Abigail and. And different pregnant.

[B]

Has your dad ever sat you down and been like, you know how it is.

[A]

My family, we tell the same story over and over.

[B]

Every family does that.

[A]

Every family, yeah. But I feel like it's extra worse in my family.

[B]

They do have their stories.

[A]

Yeah. It's okay.

[B]

I repeat myself. Like, crazy true. Like, I literally repeat people. I want people to be like, hey, by the way, you've told me this before, and not even just one time like you've told me so many times. But then I say, that's how you know I'm not lying.

[A]

I feel like for everyone that's listened to our show since the beginning, they've probably heard us say the same Thing more than once before as well.

[B]

No, I repeat myself on the podcast a million times. And Addie's like, you already said that.

[A]

And I'm like, really sorry. Please forgive us.

[B]

I just like to hear myself talk, apparently. I mean, who else would have. Why else would I have two podcasts a week? Hours of footage of just me running my voice. I can't even listen to my own voice, so I don't know how people are doing it, but I applaud them.

[A]

I personally like your voice. I think it's unique. I think it's cute. I think it's lovely. And it was something that made me like you more.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That's sweet, cuz.

[A]

I think it's sweet. It's really sweet.

[B]

Thank you very much.

[A]

Okay, talk to me about something for. For anybody that isn't aware, Abby just launched a makeup company called Biswell Beauty.

[B]

See, even you just saying makeup company makes me really.

[A]

Just at the same time, you can

[B]

just say, launched Biswell Beauty Essential Mascara.

[C]

Ah.

[B]

One step at a time.

[A]

Why did it make you so nervous there? Like, why freak?

[B]

I'm like, oh, my gosh. I'm not an. I'm not a company.

[A]

I'm not a company.

[B]

Just that word is big. But, yeah, we did well.

[A]

I'm very proud of you. Because for anybody that didn't know, it sold out. It, like, it. It completely sold out. Everybody was buying this stuff. It. It's kind of hard, like, with this new. This new company that we. I mean, we've never done something like this before.

[B]

We go with the word company again.

[A]

Oh, okay. With this new product. We've never done something like this. And knowing how much to make and. And like, plan for demand is. Is something that I guess, like, every business does, but we're just new to it. And so.

[B]

So what's crazy is that we have had. I mean, just being in the space that we are, we had, like, a lot of brands and companies, like, legit companies, asked to do some type of partnership where, like, it's like, their company, but then they help you, like, somewhat design and tweak your own product with them. Obviously, there's limitations there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And every single time we presented with that opportunity, it's always just been like, no, because we had this vision for, like, what. This. For what are, like, for what our mascara could be. And also I was like, if. When I do something, I want it to be, like, fully us. Fully our own. No, this is literally no shade to anyone that does the other option. I love partnerships and I purchase them and I'm. I support them, and I, like, I'm excited about them. That just wasn't what we wanted to do. Like, that wasn't the vision for what we had. But after doing that, I'm like, man, there's a lot of perks because they can project inventory needs quite a bit better. They can handle a lot of the things, website wise, shipping wise, legality wise, everything. They could handle that. But, like, us doing that internally was really crazy and also made it extremely rewarding.

[A]

Yeah, I'm. I'm really, really proud.

[B]

Like, I don't think. Let me, like, Let me just give you a little bit of, like, we have them because I. Obviously, you know, you've been a part of this since the very beginning. But, like, it wasn't like, we just, like. I don't know. I used a mascara, and I was like, this is great. Put my name on it. It was like, we literally. It's chemistry.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I've learned so much from doing this. Like, it's literally like a chemist is, like, creating this formula with us to be the perfect formula for, like, what I, like, love in a masc, and to fix all the problems with the existing mascaras that I really liked but just weren't, like, you know, right. Right there. And so, like, it's literally chemistry. We're working with a lab, like, and then it's just. There's so many steps to it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And so many regulations and tests, and it takes.

[A]

It takes a long time.

[B]

Look at this paperwork.

[A]

Goodness.

[B]

Addie printed this all off for the launch party.

[C]

Oh.

[B]

It's 75 pages.

[A]

Wait, sorry. What is all this paperwork?

[B]

So this right here is the full service finished product specification that we did with the lab.

[A]

This is one product.

[B]

This is one.

[A]

And this is everything that went into that one product. 75 pages?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

That's ridiculous.

[B]

And, like, even just, like, doing that, like, from the beginning, it's just. It's. It's been so cool to learn everything. And it's something that I was like, you know, you say things, you're like, oh, it'd be so cool if I did this. But, like, in the back of your head, you're like, well, if that happens, you know, that's probably not gonna actually happen. It happened, and now it's, like, in people's hands. And it's so cool that, like, they're loving the product, too, as much as I am. And I obviously feel like there's a lot of things that we still need to work out. We're working on other things that have also been in the works long before this launch even happened. Um, but now that the launch happened and it was so successful, it makes these other existing prod. Yeah, I guess I can say other existing products and projects, like all that more exciting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it's like people are wanting it and so that, that, like people, it's really just fueled by like my own love of mascara, but then also like this community and like wanting to meet a need and like, I feel like a lot of us moms, like, if makeup is gonna take more than honestly five minutes, it's like I can't afford that amount of time. Thank you to our place for sponsoring this portion of today's episode. We cook dinner for our family basically every single night. It's easier than going out. We love a night in just bonding with our family. That's really like our quality family time. And a big part of that quality time is preparing the meal together. And we have just switched over to our place. Pots and pans. They are so fun. Maybe it's just the fact that we're getting close to 30 now. This is just thrilling for me. They're beautiful in our kitchen. They're stunning. They're so easy to clean. They make our food delicious. They prepare it so, so well.

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[A]

Well, that's what I love about the products in development right now is it's all, it's all products that will help you quickly put on makeup. It's not going to take you 30 minutes to get your makeup done because no mom is able to do that. Even, even people that aren't moms like time. Time is like one of our most valuable resources. And so if you're trying to get out the door. And you need to, you know, do something for your eyebrows, your lashes, maybe do some lipstick, whatever. Like, you don't have 30 minutes. So that's what I love about everything you've got in the works. And we just put in a reorder for more mascara, and then it has to go through testing, and there's all these things, like, there's all these processes that it has to go to, but

[B]

there's a due process. Rules and regulations.

[A]

Rules and regulations. This is. This is, like, legit stuff. We're not just, like, white. Like, I feel like the most common thing that I'll hear about when it comes to creators launching companies is, oh, they're just finding something off of Alibaba and, like, white labeling. Like, white labeling it.

[C]

It.

[A]

That's not at all what's happening here. Like, there's a lot going into making.

[B]

Yeah, that would be kind of crazy after waiting seven years to ever sell your own product. And then.

[A]

Yeah, that's what we do.

[B]

It's like, that wasn't.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I do want to touch on something really quick, though, because it's like, obviously, I'm the first to leave the house with no makeup some days, and I think there's nothing wrong with that. And I think it's really healthy and good, and, like, sometimes it's just not the number one priority. But for those days that I do get it in, which I wear makeup most days of the week, I just feel, like, a different type of confidence. I feel like a different type of just femininity identity. Like, I just feel more ready to take on my day. It's. And I think moms and other women know what I mean. Like, it's not like, oh, I need this to leave, but sometimes it's just, like, that little piece of identity that you're getting back, that little piece of confidence that you're just like, okay. Like, it's just. Especially in a season where, like, you're really not prioritizing yourself. Like, being a mom to babies and toddlers, and I can't speak for the future stages, but in general, like, being a mom is, like, one of the most selfless things you can do. And so it's just one little piece to, like, show yourself some love, show yourself some, like, femininity and confidence. And so, yeah, I'm really excited about everything that is working coming in advance. I don't even know I can say. I feel like so many times with the mascara, I was, like, trying to talk about it, and it Just kept getting edited out. So I'm like, what am I going to say that's going to be not okay? We have more calls every single day about it and more testing, and I.

[A]

You're. You're full.

[B]

I'm looking at you right now, and I really need to. I really need to test the product on you, honestly. Is okay if I do?

[A]

That's okay. Yeah. I've actually told you that. I was like, you might as well show people what this stuff could do on my lashes.

[B]

So, yeah, the thing about your lashes is, like, I'm a big, huge fan of curling my lashes. You certainly need to curl your lashes.

[A]

You need to.

[B]

They're straight out.

[A]

You're telling me you're gonna put mascara on me and curl my lashes?

[B]

Yeah, I think. I think it's what it's gonna take.

[A]

I. You know what? I'm in. Anything for you, babe.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah. Well, guys, if you have not been to biswell-beauty.com and checked out the website, it looks so good. The product images of Abby look so, so good. I think she looks adorable in them. And not only that, but even though we did sell out, you can actually, if you want, sign up to be notified when we are back in stock. And that way you can be the first to hear when, like, there's. There's more product available, because I would

[B]

suggest doing that, too, because I just don't want you guys to be disappointed. And I do know that, like, we're just limited right now. It's so frustrating because I'm like, I'm right there with you guys. Like, I'm frustrated and I feel bad.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. There's been so happy. Have you seen all the comments from people that are in, like, Australia, the United Kingdom, Canada, other countries? That's, like, the most common countries. I've seen people say that weren't able to buy it, but, yeah, it's only available in the United States right now. Just because there's so many legal things we have to do and so much paperwork and, like, filings we have to do for tax purposes that we're. We're focusing on the U.S. we want to make sure that, like.

[B]

Wait a minute. Is it illegal to send it to them? Just like.

[A]

Like, I think if you want to set. You could probably. If we want to, we could send as a gift.

[B]

I did a couple.

[A]

Okay. Yeah, we could send a gift to someone that's.

[B]

Make sure I didn't break the law.

[A]

Oh, no, you're. You're allowed to legally gift Someone in other countries.

[B]

Perfect.

[A]

But like entering into. Into commerce in, you know, a different country.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

That brings on a whole different set of rules and regulations. Like, I didn't know this, you guys. In Canada, I was like, why can't we sell in Canada? In Canada, you have to have everything, like, in French. Okay. Because of Montreal, Quebec people, like, a

[B]

lot of people, they're French learn French.

[A]

Yeah. Most people in those are not most people, but a lot of people in Montreal and Quebec speak French. So then we have to have everything in French for those people that. Their first language.

[B]

How do you say biswell in French?

[A]

Bis. Well,

[B]

that is not a French word, I'll tell you that.

[A]

Anyway, so if that's you and you're. You're like in a different country, listening to the show or watching the videos, we're going to. Sorry. We will get to you eventually. We just want to make sure that we do this all correctly.

[B]

Like, gotta do this above bar, above brow. See, I don't know. I should not say phrases.

[A]

Yeah, we already. Because of how everyone.

[B]

I didn't pass the bar.

[A]

You didn't pass the. But what? Oh, yeah, we're not. Yeah, we're not lawyers, so we're. We're making sure that we talk to people that are. That and. And can tell us what to do.

[B]

Have you been talking to lawyers?

[A]

No.

[B]

See, that's the problem either Frick. So above board. It's not brow, it's not bar, it's board. Above board.

[A]

Also, I think we do acknowledge, like, Abby is so ready for maternity leave right now. Her legs are propped up on me.

[B]

I'm on maternity leave.

[A]

You're on maternity leave right now.

[B]

Just with a lot of lights and cameras.

[A]

On me. With a lot of lights and cameras. You know, this. This baby's coming very soon. I think by the time you guys watch this episode, the baby could be here.

[B]

Wait, really?

[A]

Which is actually. Yeah, I mean, especially. Especially if the baby comes early, which I think is more likely than ever. Abby was just feeling. What's it called? Cramps.

[B]

So I've been getting Braxton Hicks. Like, I know those. Just extremely, extremely mild ones.

[A]

How would you describe a Braxton hick to someone that's never experienced a Braxton?

[B]

Literally just feels like your tummy tightening

[A]

and that probably can't. Doesn't feel too good, does it?

[B]

It doesn't hurt. It's just like a intensity of pressure.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The thing I feel like it's kind of hurts is like if you're having that and then the baby starts kicking. Then that's when it's like, the craziest

[A]

thing that I've seen you experience is already having contractions. They've never been, like, timed that much apart. I saw your face, like, smirk right there, but I've never seen them, like, close apart, at least recently. But I just like feeling your belly when you have a contraction. Holy cow. Like, it is such a freaking muscle just going to work.

[B]

Yes. Yes. That's exactly what it is. It is a muscle.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah. And I think I actually saw something recently. Or maybe it was our doula. No, I think it was our doula.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

She was like, people get intensity and pain when it comes to birth and, like, contractions. Confused. Like, intensity doesn't necessarily mean pain.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I mean, I was like, that's interesting, because I don't remember it feeling good, but it is true. Like, it's really intense, but I guess not necessarily painful, at least especially early on in labor. This isn't labor. This isn't real labor. It's just, like, I get a little crampy, get a little Braxton hickey.

[A]

Why did we wait till the fourth pregnancy to hire a doula?

[B]

I don't know.

[A]

Because I feel like this is the smartest thing we've ever done.

[B]

Really? Okay. Because we were going back and forth on that one.

[A]

I think it's so smart.

[B]

Yeah, I think it's a good idea because that's, like.

[A]

That's all they do. And look, doctors, we've, you know, been so fortunate to have good doctors that especially, like, in crisis with the first pregnancy, you know, Abby's doctor just, like, jumped into action and just knew what to do when. When she, you know, experienced our son getting stuck in the birth canal. Like, doctors are amazing. But something that I've noticed from now having a doula work with us is the doula has, like, all the bedside manner and then some.

[B]

Yeah, that's true. We didn't necessarily always have that before.

[A]

Yeah. They just know how to, like, answer any questions we might have and not make us feel rushed. Not especially. Not make you feel rushed, because, you know, doctors, they're. They're, you know, delivering babies.

[C]

They're doing.

[B]

Your own doctor isn't the one delivering it. You're just now meeting the nurse. It's really nice to have. I'm assuming it's gonna be really nice to have a familiar face.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That is extremely friendly.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

And also, like, so much of, like, our labor before was, like, just me

[A]

and you in the room and. And with the doula. Now, we've had more time with this doula just in like, one prep course. It's coming over tomorrow, than we ever had, like, combined, I would say, for both pregnancies before with, with our. Your first doctor.

[B]

That's true.

[A]

Now I, you know, obviously, obviously, the, the new doctor that you have now. We, you know, we've spent a lot of time with her because of miscarriage and all sorts of, you know, things that have come with that. But if it weren't for that delivery that you had last year, I feel like just, we just like the appointments with her just very, very quick. It's like, yeah, five minutes here, 10 minutes there. So it's nice that the doula can, like, really hang out with us and we can get to know her.

[B]

That's true. And then also, I feel like she makes me less afraid to speak up about things. Like, I'm not even saying, like, I trust my doctor's judgment and I, like, I want to know what their opinion is, but just, like, I feel more confident to have, like, an actual birth plan because someone else is going to say it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it's like, for us, we felt kind of, like, bad, like, I don't want to bother them or like, like saying like, oh, you want to catch the baby? Or we want to do X, Y or Z. Yeah. Put our placenta in a cooler, please.

[A]

It's almost like, it's almost like the doula. It's like the doula is there more for your feelings, and the doctor is there more for your health.

[B]

That's great, right? I love, I love someone there for both doctor's job.

[A]

Let's make sure everyone, like, lives and doesn't have any serious injuries.

[B]

And do I think that doctors also just there to. To be, like, really conservative with risk?

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, 100%. And that's why, you know, that's why sometimes doctors will not recommend a VBAC because they. They just are very weary of taking on risk.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But, yeah, I like that the, that the doula will then look at the risk and say, okay, well, there's a 1% chance for you or it's a 2% chance of this thing happening. So I think that's cool. I'm glad that you. That your friend who had a doula recommended her to you.

[B]

Shout out.

[A]

And then got a shout out.

[B]

Whoever's actually going to go on always here, guys.

[A]

Abby's going to do, like, a brief maternity leave. From both podcasts, we've been recording a bunch with Some very exciting guests. So we're excited for you guys to listen to those. But on Always here. Yeah. We're going to have like a friend takeover where her friends come on. Especially the notorious Val that everyone's been asking about. Because I guess you guys talk about Val a lot on Always.

[B]

I know. I keep. I was really hesitant to actually. So they offered. They're like, we're gonna come and then we'll. We'll take care of everything. Like, including your work, which is super sweet. And I was just like, hahaha. And then like, they were like, they kept bringing it up like, no, we're serious.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I was like, well, I mean, if you're serious, then. I was just still hesitant though, because I'm always like, I chose to take on this is my shenanigans. Like, I don't want to reel other people into my shenanigans.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And all that comes with obviously posting your life on the Internet. Like, I was like, I don't want a real. I don't want to. My friends are not like public figures. They certainly could be.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'd follow them and I would love it.

[A]

They're great.

[B]

They were great. I think they should be.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But. Well, actually, I don't. I think everyone should have to make that. Should make that decision for themselves because it comes with a lot. But yeah. I'm like, I'm always so weary. I'm like, I'm protective. That's what it is. I'm like, but they are gonna be. I trust that everyone will be kind to them. And they're awesome. So they should be. They have no reason to not be. But it'll be fun. I'm excited to listen to it.

[A]

Oh my gosh. That'll be so weird.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Holding our newborn baby and then listening to your show, but you're not even on it.

[B]

I know.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Which I'm like, I can't even just. I just cannot wait to get to holding him because this has been such a long journey. Thank you to Unreal for sponsoring this portion of today's episode. After every meal, I need to end on something just a little bit sweet.

[A]

Oh yeah.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

Should we talk about how we're going to handle the logistics of adjusting from two boys to three boys?

[B]

Yes, because I think this is a good plan.

[A]

Okay, so shout out grandma and grandpa. Abby's parents are going to have our two boys that are already here over at their house for a week while

[B]

we adjust just for bedtime. Oh, just like for overnight.

[A]

Yeah, just overnight. Okay. So our boys are at her. Actually didn't even know that. I just thought they were there.

[B]

They're gone.

[A]

I thought they were having a stay cage night.

[B]

Well, we want to at least meet their brother and see mom and dad, make sure everything's okay. But then they'll spend the night at their house.

[A]

Okay. So yeah, our boys are spending the night at grandma and grandpa's, AKA Honey and ga. And that's gonna allow us to like fully support each other and like bond with new baby newborn stage. Cause I feel like the first week is the hardest. Right?

[B]

The first week is like obviously the most demanding. But also I think it's really important that like we both in the night like have each other's support.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Especially like for me, like recovering from birth and then like just learning how to breastfeed. And then also like both of us just like bonding with this baby. Like, like obviously our kids know that we love them so much and like we have all this history. But this baby is like, I'm new to this world. Like who do I, who can I. Who, who's my mom and dad? Like all these things. So that's like the focus of our week one is like everyone just like kind of Letting the dust settle.

[A]

Like, totally.

[B]

Brothers meet baby brother. And I think. I honestly think our boys are gonna adjust really well. I hope this isn't naive of me, but, like, they're very flexible and also just very excited to have a baby brother. But also they're very independent. And so I think, like, at worst, our boys are going to just be disinterested in the baby.

[A]

How do you feel about our boys starting school? Because that's happening at the same exact time.

[B]

They're also just gonna go to, like a half day preschool just a few days of the week, just like in someone's home.

[A]

Are you. Are you happy or sad about that?

[B]

So sad. You want to know why?

[A]

Why?

[B]

Because I was listening to the Finding Nemo story with them today in the car, and they were like, first day of school. It's like at the end of the movie Marlin and Nemo. And then he, like, swims off and then he, like, comes back and he says, I love you, dad, and then swims back to school.

[A]

And then I thought, you're so sweet. You're so sweet.

[B]

Then I thought about them having their little backpacks on, walking into school that I think we should unenroll them. Actually, I think that's a bad plan.

[A]

My favorite was last night. Our kids just running around, no clothes on whatsoever, running into each other and laughing. They probably did that like 75 times.

[B]

Are you crying too?

[A]

No, actually, I mean, it got me. Yeah, that struck me.

[B]

He comes back and says, love you, dad, then goes back off to school. Like, they're just so fun. I'm like, I know it'll be good for them to, like, learn, but gosh, why you gotta go? You know? Then I was, like, very sure that we can never send them to full day, five days of the week. That's a big never gonna happen.

[A]

That's a very big adjustment.

[B]

Never gonna. They can't go to high school. That's never gonna happen. But I think it will be good. And this is all starting around the same time that we're gonna have a baby probably. So I think they're gonna be very well suited for the transition in the sense of, like, there's a couple things changing at the same time. So then everything, like, they're. We're all adjusting to new routines.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So it's not just like, oh, all of a sudden, baby new mom can't go out in the morning and have a fun activity with us every single day. Like, it's like they already have their own things and they're very, very excited about school. They talk about it all the time. One of them's just going to like a home preschool and the other one's going to a Montessori preschool.

[A]

So they of course bring their backpacks with them everywhere, especially when we travel. That's like their favorite thing is to put toys inside their backpack for the trip.

[B]

So they're gonna have a lot of things to look forward to at the same transition. It's not even related to the baby. But that's week one. And then I'm assuming that by week two, let's just say successful vbac. I'm feeling better after a week. Obviously still heavily postpartum, but me and the baby are getting a little bit more experience with the breastfeeding thing. Breastfeeding is going well. You obviously can't feed the baby in the night. And then if you do feed him a bottle, I would still need a pump. So then I will then switch to taking over baby mode in the nights and you take over toddler mode in the nights, which you would think that our toddlers have very little requirements in the nights.

[A]

That would be.

[B]

That would be incorrect. They have a lot of requirements.

[A]

They've been asking me quite often now to sleep in the room with them. Yeah, like I think, and I think

[B]

you actually might do it.

[A]

I think they know like, that that could be on the horizon for us.

[B]

Are you gonna do it?

[A]

Do you want, like what, what do you think? Do you want me to, or would you rather me sleep in the room with you and our newborn?

[B]

I honestly kind of like the idea of you sleeping with the toddlers because then I'm not waking up to the monitor.

[A]

Yeah, you're not getting woken up by our kids too.

[B]

Yeah, like I only have one kid

[A]

to wake me up and if you're like up for two hours in the night breastfeeding, then if our kids wake up at 6:30, you could sleep when our baby sleeps.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

8:30.

[B]

I think that's a good setup.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

We're going to have to navigate that one as it comes. But in that mode, you're on toddler duty, I'm on baby duty, obviously, if I need to. You're going to be stepping in with a baby too during the day and. Yeah, like I'll be obviously not neglecting our toddlers. I feel like I just say that because you gotta, gotta cross all your bases on the Internet. But. But that'll be like more how we navigate. Like I'm the primary contact for baby. Your primary contact. For Griffin and Augie.

[A]

Now you're probably wondering, Matt and Abby, what's happening with this whole, like, fitting five people in a vehicle. How are you gonna. Don't you need a new car?

[B]

Yeah. We only had two row vehicles.

[A]

Do you want to fill everybody in on what happened with the mom car situation?

[B]

I got my mom car.

[A]

Abby got her mom car. It's official. We have it.

[B]

I forced you into a mom car because I was like, there's no way. We're fitting three mega car seats in the back comfortably.

[A]

Yeah, that's true.

[B]

And then you upgraded me to a very nice mom car, and it's been really nice. It's been really great.

[A]

Yeah. So Abby was like, right now it

[B]

feels so frivolous because we literally have two kids.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But I know we're going to be glad we have the extra space.

[A]

I'm kind of a. A. An electric vehicle, like, Guy, I guess. I guess I just love electric vehicles. And then Abby's like, I want a vehicle that has three rows. And so there's not a lot on

[B]

the market right now. Yeah, those.

[A]

There's not a lot that have. There's actually. There's actually only one electric vehicle on the market that's a family vehicle that has Captain seats. Right. Am I incorrect? Was it. Did the Kia. The Kia EV9 had captain seats, but then the back row was, like, super small. No trunk, and there was no trunk space. So then we ended up. We ended up going for the Escalade.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so that's. That's what we ended up with.

[B]

It's super, super nice. And, like, I just know that we're going to get a lot of use out of it. And our. We're already planning road trips in it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For once baby comes, I feel really safe driving it. And, yeah, it feels really. It feels real. Now. I think once we install the baby's car seat in there, we have three big car seats. When it's gonna be like, oh, wow, this is real, and, yeah, it's very exciting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Three kids is a logistical jump, for sure.

[A]

It is. It is.

[B]

Before we even have three. Like, I'm just. The logistics are. It's a jump, for sure. Two is, like, pretty compact when you really think about it. A family of four.

[A]

I wonder who the kids are going to take after, because I feel like our second born takes after me mostly. I feel like. I feel like everything that he does. My mom would be like, oh, you used to do that when you were a kid, Matt.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then our firstborn takes after Abby. So I'm curious who the next new baby boy is gonna take after.

[B]

Probably me.

[A]

You think you.

[B]

Yeah, I think it's me.

[A]

Why you?

[B]

No, I'm just kidding. I have no idea. I think he's gonna be a blend.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't know which one of us is more chill because I feel like this baby's gonna be chill, and that might just be wishful thinking.

[A]

It depends on what it is. I feel like you're very laid back for a mom.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you definitely are.

[B]

Okay. I mean, unfortunately, neither one of us are chill.

[A]

Well, here's the thing. No, I think. I think you're chill because a chill mom would have never allowed our kids to have a stockpile of toys in the. In the closet for, like. What was that like?

[B]

Oh, that stressed me out. Mega.

[A]

That was. That was. That was going on for, like, 12 months. If you guys have ever seen, like, our cleaning videos on TikTok, I always would put a little video in of our toy closet. And it looked, like, bad. You guys, it was just a Chuck space. A freaking stockpile of toys all, you know, all jumbled up together.

[B]

And kids, when they come to our house, head straight for it.

[A]

And Abby has such sweet friends. Addie, who's actually in the room right now, our sister in law, Addie, she threw Abby a surprise party for her for her mascara company. And so then when everybody was over for the mascara launch and celebrating Abby, they were like, wait a minute. What if we all together joined in and, like, just in. In like, one hour or whatever, we'll clean.

[B]

This launch party turned into a clubhouse overhaul.

[A]

How long did that take you and all your friends to clean the toy closet?

[B]

It was less than two hours.

[A]

Oh, wow. Okay. So it. So it did. So yeah. That still was, like, a while. But you had how many women working together?

[B]

5.

[A]

Five women spent an hour and 45 minutes on this Floyd closet.

[B]

Yeah, probably.

[A]

And now it looks so good.

[B]

It does. It's.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So like, that night, after we, like, organized everything, like, we donated a bunch of stuff, like, actually got to scrub the floors. That was gross. That was disgusting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we need to just put that out there.

[A]

Those hadn't been cleaned in a minute.

[B]

Yeah, but should I even say, like, Kayla had to use a butter knife to get something off?

[A]

Oh, gosh. We don't know what it was, but hey, now.

[B]

Biohazard.

[A]

But now there is a section for weapons. They have their lightsaber.

[B]

There's a weapons section. Weapons, big truck section. Little truck section Action figure section Little action figure section Balls. More balls. Scooters.

[A]

Legos, Legos.

[B]

Blocks, Trains.

[A]

The train section is cool too. I love that every single bin they can take out, play with it and then put it back and it's not all jumbled up together.

[B]

Yes, they do.

[A]

They do. You are so right about that, by the way. Thank you, Abby. Abby. Explaining this idea to me, which I thought was so silly, which is if you have all of your kids toys, like super organized, they'll get more play out of them. And I think you're 100% right.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Because now they're like, ah, we played with our blocks. Okay, time to put them away. And then we, you know, like, what

[B]

are we going to play with next? It's like they're making a conscious decision.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Rather than just like tripping on a toy and being like, I'll play with that.

[A]

And if your parents, all the other ones, if you're like a parent, you're like, yeah, right. How do you get your kids to pick up your blocks? Here's how you do it. You say whoever picks up their blocks first gets to be the first to have their popsicle. And then once one kid has pops, you bribe them. Once one kid has a. Yeah, Popsicle, then the other kids like, oh, like I want one too.

[B]

Yeah. You know, that's one of those things. And before you're a parent, you're like, I'm not gonna bribe or negotiate with a two year old.

[A]

Yeah, you'd have to.

[B]

Then you have a two year old and you're like, this is the only leverage I have.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

We've organized a lot of areas of our house because I feel like the thing that was stressing me out more was like making sure that our older kids were like uber organized before baby comes because I know that they're. I'm not gonna be able to focus on that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Once he's here. So I make sure everything's in place for them, then I'll be fully focusing on baby. And I think also just like third baby realizing they really don't need much in place. Like, that's like not the priority. And especially with having like extra help with the older boys, I want to make sure that's like seamless for whoever's stepping in and like giving extra help. Like my parents watching them for that total time. Yeah. We officially went through all their clothes and like going through all the toys, went through the mud room, like got rid of the shoes that don't fit and like Everything is like kind of finding its place. We still have to do all the baby stuff.

[A]

Yeah. The house is looking really good.

[B]

Yeah. So much more is for real.

[A]

Yeah. Nesting has begun. It's looking more organized, looking tidy. I think getting rid of things too is so nice. Like, you guys, we thank goodness have this system in our neighborhood where like every like month or so they have bulk trash pickup. And I had all this junk that was just like piling up in our, in the back corner of our house and I set like a bunch of it out.

[B]

One man's junk is another man.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

Because a bunch.

[A]

And so. And so that's what I did. I actually put out some things that like, I felt bad about throwing away. So I was like, I need to donate these. But then I realized, wait a second, people will even drive around and, and like pick up, you know, if it's a rug or if it's a fence or, you know what, whatever it may be to, to like either take it for themselves or get it for free and resell it. So I put out like a dog fence that we had to help, like, teach our dog to go poop on a certain corner of our house. And now she does it without the fence. So I took the fence away, put that fence out for bulk trash pickup. And this one came and took it before the, the bulk trash pickup came. So I was very thankful for that. I was like, hey, someone got it from free, you know, Another man's trash is another man's treasure. So.

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[B]

just made me think about how the neighbors called the cops on us.

[A]

Oh, how do you feel about that? How do you feel about that?

[B]

I feel like that wasn't very neighborly.

[A]

Yeah, I know. I think, you know, here's the thing.

[B]

So let me just say. Let me. You were out of town. Let me take this over.

[A]

Okay? I was out of town. And the neighbors called the cops on Abby.

[B]

No, not on me. They called it on Pretzel.

[A]

They called it on her dog, Which.

[B]

Here's the thing. If you were genuinely concerned about our dog. Appreciate that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The only problem is that you are our neighbor.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And if you were genuinely concerned, why don't you just go.

[A]

Why don't you just knock on.

[B]

I just want to make sure, like, your dog's been outside. Is. Are they okay?

[A]

Yeah. And then what would you say if.

[B]

And I'd say, oh, she's a water dog. She literally begs and rings her bell all day long to go outside and get in our pool. And she just swims. Laughs.

[A]

She's part otter. Yeah, she's basically part otter. So.

[B]

And so during the launch party, everything's happening on the same day. Of course, she's outside swimming. But since people were inside, she kept seeing people coming. And so every once in a while, she'd be, like, barking to come inside. Just get right back in the pool and start swimming laps. It was not, like, a constant thing. But, yeah, I. My opinion is that this neighbor couldn't file for a noise thing because it was 6:30pm yeah. And so they just wanted to just go ahead and send the cops over. So actually, everyone kept commenting on how she's just swimming laps and loves the pool. The cop was literally, like, so apologetic, though. They were like, I'm so sorry. Like, clearly your dog because. Because Pretzel loves anyone. She's a golden retriever.

[A]

Sweet dog.

[B]

She runs and she's, like, sopping wet and, like, so excited. And he. She was already inside at this point, too. Like, the time that he came and he was like, I'm so sorry. He's like, but you just made my day by having such a happy, joyful dog to, like, greet. And he was like, such a nice cop. But, yeah, dang it. I think we need to send those neighbors some donuts or something.

[A]

I know. Maybe they're going through something. You know, maybe. Maybe they wish they had a dog and. And they don't have one.

[B]

I don't think they want to. I don't think they like dogs at all. Oh, that's my.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, that's my thing.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Interesting. Yeah, that would be the word for interesting.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Anyway, maybe we should invite them over for a swim.

[A]

Speaking of Pretzel.

[B]

Pretzel.

[A]

Speaking of our dog, Pretzel, you guys submitted some questions for us on Instagram, and I wanted to address a couple of these because we love just getting to talk with you and chat with you and want to know what's on your mind. So the first of these questions is, how is life going with Ms. Pretzel? And how old is she now?

[B]

How old is she? Like nine or ten months?

[A]

Yeah, she's getting close to being a year old.

[B]

She's 10 months.

[A]

She's 10 months old because she was born 10 months. She's born in September of 2025.

[B]

She's so cute. Yeah, she's like, genuinely, like, we look at her like, she's so beautiful. And I just love golden retrievers, too.

[A]

And she plays so well with the boys, too.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, it. It cracks me up whenever. If I'm not being the bad guy when it comes to playing with the boys. Like, my. My sons love it when I'm. Our boys love it when I pretend to be a bad guy. Pretzel's the bad guy. So they're like, ah, it's the bad guy. We just have to remind them that they can't actually hit Pretzel with the lightsaber. They just.

[B]

I know.

[A]

You know, we can pretend. You know, we can pretend that Pretzel at all costs. She is a. A dog and a living creature.

[B]

We have to.

[A]

We can't hit her with a lightsaber. Okay. That's not. Okay.

[B]

So, yes, I think because Pretzel never, like, entered into our family when he already had time. Toddlers, she's like. She knows no different. So she's just like. She's so chill with that stuff. She's definitely still a puppy. Oh, yeah, Definitely. Very eager when guests come over. Very. Maybe kind of think she's a cat.

[A]

Yeah, she does know how to go on walks now, which is how to

[B]

jump onto our dining table.

[A]

We found out she did jump on our dining table the other day. She did not get trained to do that in training camps.

[B]

She got trained not to do that, and she has broken. That's what one of our kids sells her. He says, pretzel, don't forget your training.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He says, twaining.

[A]

Twain.

[B]

Don't forget you're twaining. So, yeah, she's. She's naughty, for sure. She's gorgeous. She's fun. She's an amazing swimmer. And there's something that happens if you have a dog after you have kids is that you don't. She'll never be given. She was never in the kid position in her heart, if that makes sense.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So she's just. She's fully in the pet position.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And we love her.

[A]

Yeah. I think the funniest thing is just how much energy she has and how long she can swim.

[B]

She's an athlete.

[A]

Like, she's. She's. I swear, guys, she's part otter. Because she legitimately. I've seen her try to, like, dive down in the pool. Like, now. It's not even fast. It's not even the fun. It's not even fun enough for her to just, like, swim back and forth and get toys.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

She wants to, like, freaking scuba dive

[B]

and touch the bottom for that.

[A]

Like, can dogs actually do that? I don't know.

[B]

I don't think.

[A]

I have no idea. But she's trying to push the limits.

[B]

She literally loves.

[A]

Maybe she needs to go in a dog show. Honestly, like, maybe she'd win the whole thing.

[B]

No hot dog and just run.

[A]

If there's a dog diving competition, I think pretzel would win it.

[B]

I know. Don't tell our neighbors. Gosh.

[A]

Oh, my gosh. Next question. Do you guys like living in Arizona?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I would say ask me. Not in the month of July.

[B]

Don't ask me last week. Holy.

[A]

What was the weather last week? Like 110 every day, if not more? No more than that.

[B]

It was offensive.

[A]

Yeah. So hot.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So ridiculously hot.

[B]

Yeah, it's. That heat will bring a temper out of me. Seriously.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I get your car seats right now.

[A]

I know.

[B]

Because, you know, it doesn't cool off until the vehicle's moving.

[A]

Yep. And if you're not in the pool, I just don't like being outside when you're not in the pool is pretty.

[B]

Which is also great that our dog loves to swim, if I have to say that, too, because she literally wouldn't be able to Walk most hours of the day without burning her paws.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Or. But she like needs a lot of activity. She's a high energy breed.

[A]

Well, I think that's why those pet services, the doggy treadmill companies exist because people literally need to walk their dog on a treadmill.

[B]

Why does that feel like Wall E maybe?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, probably. That makes sense.

[B]

People no longer walk their dogs. They just have a mobile treadmill service.

[A]

Do you even like the movie, Wally? Because I think it kind of sucks, to be honest.

[B]

I do. I like the sound, the songs in its soundtrack.

[A]

It's so boring. I think it's. I don't think it's that great of a movie, personally. That's just my take.

[B]

I think you are a little over stimulated.

[A]

I think I. I would go coco or up. I think those like.

[B]

Oh, yeah, I agree. I agree.

[A]

So much better. Next question we have is where slash, how long have you guys lived? The longest. We've actually lived in Arizona longer than any other state together. No, wait, maybe that's wrong because, wait, we were In Missouri together 20, 17, 18, 19, 20, 20. So I think we're tied now. I think we're tied between Missouri and Arizona.

[B]

Crazy.

[A]

Yeah. We're about to hit longest state together in Arizona.

[B]

I like Arizona.

[A]

I know. We've been here. We've been here.

[B]

It's a great home base.

[A]

Yeah, it is a good home base.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

It's nice living next to a major international airport. Because last year when we went to see Usher for Abby's Christmas present,

[B]

you should just say we went to London.

[A]

We went to London and we were able to fly directly there.

[B]

From the video, Usher did just come to Phoenix like a month ago.

[A]

See, that's why that would have been

[B]

a little less travel.

[A]

Yeah. I wanted you to get to be the first.

[B]

Wasn't because of Usher. It's because we wanted to go to

[A]

London, which was dope. It was really.

[B]

It was dope.

[A]

Yeah. I think we should take our kids next.

[B]

We should. And notice we didn't go see Usher when he was in Phoenix. If we were really that mega of a fan, how would we ever pass that up?

[A]

You're right. You're right. You bring up a good point.

[B]

I think after seeing Usher, I was like, maybe I won't go to another. Sorry. It was just a little bit seeing

[A]

him do his cherries demonstration live. For anybody that doesn't know, Usher goes around the whole stadium with cherries and lets women eat them from his hand. And I feel like that's everything you need to know right there.

[B]

Yeah. And it goes on for a really.

[A]

A really long, really long time. It's also extra funny when it's like, a couple and then the wife, like, asked permission from. From her.

[B]

Why do I not even fully get it? Like, I don't understand why it's so raunchy, but I just. It feels raunchy.

[A]

It's Usher feeding you cherries. Like, how could this was a. Symbolize something. Yeah. I feel like it's. It's.

[B]

You don't fully get it either. We're confused.

[A]

I feel like it's what's going on the very brink of. Of, like, play, you know?

[B]

No, I. That. That part was. That was a lot. But then also, there's just a lot. There's pole dance.

[A]

Yeah. There's a whole nobody prepared us sexy

[B]

moment that lasts a really long time.

[A]

And. And the whole reason I did this was because Abby was all excited to go to an Usher concert in Phoenix, like, three years ago. And. And I. And I thought that we should go to one together, but nobody told us that there was going to be all of that. But it was. I mean, it was a great show. They did a great job.

[B]

We should have assumed, given his music, the dancer.

[A]

All the dancers were very talented. They did roller. Roller skating. Yep.

[B]

Some booty shadow.

[A]

Shadow dancing. Doing some very.

[B]

Some bedroom scenes.

[A]

Bedroom, like, positions.

[B]

We were literally just like. And everyone around us is, like, so into it. We're just like.

[C]

Like.

[B]

Yes, I get that. I felt so. I never felt more like a prude in my life. I just didn't know how to behave in that environment. You know what I mean? It was a great time.

[A]

Hey, we can't pretend that we're that, like, naive, though, because I. One of our favorite shows of all time is Game of Thrones. That is, like, you know, totally different vibes. Totally different vibe. Yeah. Totally different vibes. True.

[B]

Different vibes. Literally, completely.

[A]

Switch. Change the subject there. That was way off. This next question is from Kate Bush. She said, is the dad bod real?

[B]

Wait, I think she's my friend.

[A]

Do you know this person?

[B]

I don't know. I think I went to college with her.

[A]

Ah, okay. Is the dad bod real? I'm gonna say yes. No, I feel like it. I feel like it happens, you know?

[B]

I think you look more attractive than ever.

[A]

Well, I think I do think I look, like, more manly.

[B]

You don't have a soft midsection literally, at all.

[A]

Well, thank you.

[B]

You're chiseled.

[A]

But the thing that. That I feel makes Me feel better about myself is apparently. I think I've said this before.

[B]

You're much more attractive this way.

[A]

Oh, thank you. But apparently.

[B]

Oh, I thought that's what you were like.

[A]

Sympathy weight is the thing. Like your hormones as the male change, just like your wife's hormones change, too, even though you're not. Not physically the one growing the baby. It's very common for men to, like, gain and lose weight along with their wives. So fun fact there.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I didn't know that until not that long ago, actually, so. Of course. Yeah. One next question we have is, would you ever move back to Missouri? You know, I actually felt this strong urge to experience all four seasons again. It is really fun to feel like, you know, the. The weather change and it's fall and it's just not so hot anymore and the leaves are changing colors and then especially spring, too.

[B]

I don't think about that, though, necessarily when I see.

[A]

Most of you don't.

[B]

Addie, do you?

[A]

I guess maybe all the plants. When I've flown back to Missouri after being in Arizona for a long time, especially if it's like, May, I'm just like, holy cow. It is so it does look a

[B]

lot greener, I will say. But I feel like I really like visiting because you get a taste of that. But then like, by day five, you're like, wait, I haven't seen. Seen the sun. Like, it's just been gray and that. Like you for. I forget how much I take for granted the sunshine here. The sunshine just makes me so, so happy. So I think for now, I would love to visit Missouri, which we need to do. We haven't been back for a minute.

[A]

Yeah, we do. We should go. I would love to take the kids back to the St. Louis Zoo because that zoo is so nice and it's completely free. And I think they would really like going up in the arch, too.

[B]

You do that with them?

[A]

Oh, yeah. I think you would be way too claustrophobic. We've never even been in the arch together.

[B]

I did it, and I just didn't want to do it again.

[A]

How have we never been in the St. Louis Arch together, babe?

[B]

No, it's messed up.

[A]

Crazy. Maybe they would like it.

[B]

We're. Yeah. I don't know that I want to do it again, but you have to get in this really tiny elevator. It's just. I'm claustrophobic. We should go back to Missouri, but. Well, maybe Christmas time.

[A]

I think we should go back for Christmas time.

[B]

Yeah. But I think for now it's not really. Our life is really here in Arizona, so.

[A]

Yeah, I agree.

[B]

But have so much fondness for Missouri. How do you feel about us having weekly date nights again?

[A]

So much fun.

[B]

We started doing that again based on couples therapy. Yeah, they were like, maybe get something in place before baby, where you, like, have a minute to, like, regroup. And obviously with breastfeeding, baby's gonna be coming with us, but we just started early, like, get that structure in place, and it's been so fun.

[A]

So good.

[B]

Don't even do anything crazy, but it's just so fun.

[A]

Yeah, I.

[B]

That's the thing about being parents is that, like, you really appreciate the smaller, like, moments that you can get away so much more. Like, that would have just been a regular night before kids, like, where we would just, like, happen to go out to eat. But now it's like, I, like, look forward to it so much.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I got those questions for couples so we could do those while we go out to dinner. On another note, our scale died at the perfect timing.

[A]

Oh, yeah, you're so right.

[B]

I have no idea how to charge that thing.

[A]

I know. I tried to charge it, but then all of the different plugs that I have don't fit it. So I have to find. I have to, like, go through all of our cords and figure out which one you could use it for the next year. Yeah, I don't know. I want to know what I weigh. I would like to know.

[B]

Can't relate.

[A]

We've. We have a lot of questions about, like, intimacy in here, but I feel like we've already answered all those.

[B]

Great.

[A]

But you can just refer to one of our other episodes for that. I. I don't know. Just, like, how do you prioritize that time for each other? How do you survive two kids?

[B]

Well, also, here's the thing. What's gonna work for us doesn't work for everybody. Like, I'm not gonna sit here and say that you should do the same thing, especially with something as personal as intimacy.

[A]

Yeah.

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[A]

This one is just like spot on for the, the stage of life we're in. It says, do you both feel more prepared for the third baby? And honestly I would say yes. Like I think we've gotten into such a good routine with our boys. I think they are just not nearly to the level of, you know, high needs that they used to be with us having to do multiple diaper changes a day and no kids diapers even like feeding. Like you kind of have to like, yeah, your, your kid will breastfeed but then after breastfeeding you have to like spoon feed your kid every meal. Our kids feed themselves. They like, okay, kind of. They do ask us to feed them but like we should admit to that. There's so much that they do all on their own. Yeah, like our, our oldest will even put on his own shoes. Put on his.

[B]

No, he gets himself dressed every morning.

[A]

Fully dressed. He can do all by himself.

[B]

Which is actually my recommendation to you. Like if you can find matching outfits that are like matching sets and then put them together in a drawer. He is able to pick out outfits every single day for himself and put his pajamas away, throw their pull ups away. They're very independent boys and I'm very proud of them for that.

[A]

I agree.

[B]

Yeah, they, I think that's why they're so confident. Like, I think that like really has helped them. But yeah, we are in a good place. It's kind of wild that we're. We have no kids in diapers right now. We're about to obviously enter into a very diaper heavy season again. But it's crazy how they both aren't wearing diapers. We're not changing diapers right now.

[A]

I know. We did have a season there where we were throwing away underwear left and right. Because potty training just regress with travel. Yeah. When you travel. We were in Florida and it was. It was hard, you know, reminding so

[B]

many kids in that house. He was having so much fun. He didn't want to stop and go potty man.

[A]

Yeah. But I think we're back to. We are back to not having any accidents, which is so.

[B]

In a 45 minute gym class though. I'm leaving like at least twice for them. Yeah, you have to leave twice different times. Because actually of all of our friends, I'm the only one that has two potty trained kids.

[A]

No way.

[B]

Isn't that crazy? Because I'm like, why do I get called out way more than everybody else? It feels like. And it's because different times.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm like, maybe you should just ask the other one if they need to empty out because they probably could stand to go. Some bad boys is that they never really quite empty out.

[A]

I don't know if it's just my like ocd, but it's so hard for me to like communicate to them. Make sure that you're not like, when we go to the bathroom, they just aren't really aware of germs the most. And I try to like tell them every time, let's not like touch the toilet. Let's not like put our body on the toilet. Like, you really don't ever want to touch that thing. And yeah, somehow they always do. So we're still working on that part of things. Even like drinking water out of a water fountain. Still working through the. Hey, don't like put your mouth actually on the fountain part. You just.

[B]

It's gonna take a long time. As a person that subbed in elementary

[A]

schools, just kids just put their mouth straight on.

[B]

Yeah, they're just sucking on that thing. It's disgusting.

[A]

How old were the kids that were

[B]

doing that elementary age?

[A]

Like, like seven, eight?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Eight year olds still put their mouth on the water fountain. Oh, gosh.

[B]

It's pretty nice.

[A]

So it looks like we're gonna have a lot more of that, but yeah,

[B]

I'm scared for cold and flu season with Three kids.

[A]

Oh, goodness. Yeah. Anywho, we could not be more excited for the life changes that are about to happen in our life. It's. It's gonna be. It's gonna be, you know, so busy there for a little bit.

[B]

But honestly, though, this past season has been so busy that, like, it'll be busy in a different way, I guess. But, like, I'm really looking forward to slowing down with a baby.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, that is. They call it, like, the newborn bubble. Like, I'm really excited for that. I already have, like, the shows I want to watch postpartum. I've never seen Gilmore Girls, so I want to watch that. That feels like a cozy show I could watch while nursing. And I just. I'm, like, at the point where I'm just, like, I'm so excited, and it's been a long time coming. It's been such a long journey, and I think that makes this all feel so much more, like, big and rewarding.

[A]

100.

[B]

And, like, even just, like, the thought of seeing you, like, you with any baby. Like, I always say this because I feel like people probably would not guess it, but you are so good with babies. And, like, it's so attractive to me when you have a baby, and especially when it's our baby. But then also, just, like, leaving the hospital, like, carrying. You know, they call the hot dad walk, carrying the car seat. Like, just excited for all of that. And we just need to get some stuff set up now. I'm thinking about it. Gotta set up the crib. Gotta wash the baby clothes.

[A]

We want to do a new.

[B]

I need a breast.

[A]

Are we doing a new bassinet?

[B]

Yeah, we got a new one because I gave my other one to Addie.

[A]

Ah, okay. Okay, cool.

[B]

So many babies are gonna be sleeping in that. Griffin. Augie Brielle.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

New baby.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

It's a good bassinet. That one was the mamaroo. Not mamaroo. 4 mom's bassinet.

[A]

4 mom's bassinet.

[B]

This time we're trying. I think it's a halo bassinet.

[A]

I love it.

[B]

I couldn't take it back. She's got another one coming, so. That ain't right. How has it been recovering from jet lag? Because you didn't really get a chance to recover. Weren't you up for 27 hours straight after coming home from Turkey?

[A]

I think it was. I think it was closer to 24, but, yeah, I was up for about an entire day flying from Istanbul all the way back to Phoenix, Arizona.

[B]

Wait a Minute. Turkey A.

[A]

Turkey A. You're right. They changed the name. Guys, did you know this Turkey changed her name a couple years ago?

[B]

Let me know, as someone who's just in Turkey, what did the Turkins say? Is it Turkins?

[A]

They're kind of split.

[B]

Is it Turkins? They can't be.

[A]

I don't think. I don't think people call them Turkins.

[B]

The Turkishins.

[A]

I don't think it's. I don't think that's the term. But everybody says something different. Like the correct way to say it is Turkey. I guess the Turks. Turks.

[B]

Turks.

[A]

Turks.

[B]

That's cuter.

[A]

The. The Turks have always. Have always had like the a sound at the end of the country's name. But then recently they decided, let's have everybody say that. Or at least English speakers say that.

[B]

Oh, so is that kind of like if we were to say instead of Mexico. If we were to say Mexico.

[A]

Exactly, exactly.

[B]

Oh, I like that. They're. They're like, like. No, say it like we say it. Yeah, I like that.

[A]

Yeah. So, I mean, that's cool.

[B]

That's kind of a power move when you think about it.

[A]

They were, I mean, from, from everybody that I talked to there, they were pretty amped that they had beat the US in the World cup. Obviously. Like, we're out of the World Cup.

[B]

Are they the ones that booted us out? No, no.

[A]

The game that we played them in really didn't. I didn't watch that for either country, but yeah, no, it's. It's a beautiful country. I took my little brother Josh there for a hair transplant and he was so excited. He'd never been out of the country before, and so it was just cool getting to see him.

[B]

Passport just for.

[A]

Yeah. Just for this trip.

[B]

And now he's got a new head of hair coming.

[A]

Yes. Which when I told him about getting a hair transplant, he had so many questions. So I just knew that he would want and love getting hair trans to a hair transplant too.

[B]

And is that genetic?

[A]

I think it is.

[B]

Maybe there's a genetic component.

[A]

Male pattern baldness is genetic. And a lot of people incorrectly think that it's all from the mom. It's not. It's actually both your parents.

[B]

Isn't the old wives tale that it's the mom's dad?

[A]

I think so. I think that's the old wives tale. But that wife still isn't true.

[B]

It's so for our.

[A]

All your genes. All the genes matter.

[B]

It's all the genes matter.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, it surprised me when you said that. So they're moving follicles from the back of your head to the front of your head. And you can't regrow follicles at the front, but the ones in the back can regrow.

[A]

Yes, exactly. Except, okay, the one where they're bringing the hair follicles from where you have a lot of densely populated hairs to the spot on your head where you have no hair at all. And so if you get too many hair transplants done, then you can get end up in a situation where you can't even. Like, your hairs don't regrow from where they re harvest where they harvested from. So that's why you got to be careful not to get it done, you know, too much, because it stops working. I actually don't even know. I just know that I'll probably need to get another hair transplant at some point in my life, because it's not a. It's not like a one and done. Especially if you get it done when you're younger, on the younger side, it's probably. You're probably gonna have recession at some point later in life. I'm not gonna lie. Like, I felt so bad for him because my experience getting the transplant done,

[B]

we're struggling a little.

[A]

Yeah. Like, I. The day of the procedure, my. My head hurts so bad. But for Josh, he didn't have that same reaction. Like, I think it's just everybody has a different reaction to local anesthetic and pain medicine. And so for me, like, he didn't really.

[B]

That swollen.

[A]

Exactly. That was the other thing, too. My head, like, really swelled up like a watermelon, and his.

[B]

Did it like a donut.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So he just slightly different, though, because he had, like, scabs on his head.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You didn't really have scabs.

[A]

Not the most. Not as much as he did. He. He did get a bigger transplant done, so.

[B]

So you would have thought that it would have been a harder recovery. It's crazy.

[A]

They did fully shave his head. I didn't have to fully shave my head. So I got the DHI technique done, which. Don't ask me what that stands for. I completely forget. But he had an fuel transplant done where they make incisions in your head for some reason.

[B]

Niche.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Interesting.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, that's crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You guys get to do any sightseeing? I mean, I know, but I just

[A]

want to hear you say, totally. I mean, we. We got to check out the Blue Mosque, which is literally older than the United States of America. It's a 410 year old mosque. So beautiful, so stunning. It's right across from the Hagia Sophia mosque, which at one point was cathedral in the Eastern Orthodox church. So that was really cool. So many stray cats in Turkey that we got to like see and try to pet. One actually tried to bite me. So I had to like jump back when the. When the cat got, you know. I guess what, what the Turks told me was that the cat was like kind of maybe nervous around me, so.

[B]

Because I try to pet her.

[A]

I did, but only after other people were petting the cat. So I thought, oh, everyone's petting the cat. We're good. And the cat was like, not you.

[B]

So my cat growing up would sleep with me. Prefer choose to sleep with me.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And then bite me in the morning.

[A]

So that's not very nice.

[B]

You never trust a cat.

[A]

Not night. Yeah, you can't. You really can't. But there was that. Oh, I also showed the video, babe. Josh and I got Turkish ice cream and they do this whole little skit where they pretend to give you your ice cream and then they take it away from you and they. They have it, like connected to this little metal rod. And so they put it on top of the cone and then you go to take it and then they pull the ice cream off and it's not even like on the cone. And then they hand it to you, grab it, but then it's still. The ice cream is like connected to the cone at the top. But then the cone you grab is just like a decoy cone and it slips through your hands. So they just. They just mess with it. Yes. It's a whole thing.

[B]

Shenanigans.

[A]

Yeah. It's pretty funny. So they mess with Josh and I doing that.

[B]

Did you know it was gonna happen or they did.

[A]

Some people filled me in on the whole.

[B]

That's you. I like that prank.

[A]

But it. I mean, it's. It's so funny.

[B]

That's funny.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But overall, it was long travel day.

[A]

Yeah. Long travel day. Getting there, getting back. But could not be happier for Josh. He's just so excited to have that full head of hair.

[B]

I'm happy for him too.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm excited to see his results.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because obviously you guys had different types of like, hair loss.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

I feel like it's going to be interesting.

[A]

Exactly. Yeah.

[B]

It was really sweet. We. Did you get this on the YouTube video?

[A]

What?

[B]

Josh asking you asked his boyfriend? No. Who asked his boyfriend? Your dad asked his boyfriend. Are you excited to see Josh with A full head of hair. And he was like, hi. Don't really. Like, he's really excited about it, so I'm excited about it, but I don't really care. Like, yeah, he's so tall. Anyway, I know once he's done said, like, he just had a really sweet and cute response.

[A]

He did.

[B]

So that's just sweet.

[A]

I wish I caught that on video. I actually didn't get that on video, and I wasn't there for that. Did you hear? Were you there when that happened?

[B]

I think your parents told me.

[A]

Oh, okay. Yeah.

[B]

That's sweet. I'm excited for him. He's such a sweet guy, and he deserves. He deserves to do something special for himself.

[A]

100.

[B]

Everyone needs a little something to give him a little confidence boost. And it's cool that he got to do it to you, because otherwise he probably never would have.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Gotten to do this. So what a cool opportunity you guys get to do together. We literally picked you up from the airport, me and the kids. And then I was like, hey, by the way, I'm leaving at 7am for a massage. I felt bad about that, but that was all that was available, and I really needed a massage.

[A]

Well, I'm glad that you went to the massage. The kids and I had an amazing time at a trampoline park, and I jumped with them. That was so much fun. I. You deserve that massage. 100. Oh, my gosh.

[B]

I will. I will agree to that one. I literally was at the dentist yesterday because I'm trying to get all my appointments, like, in before.

[A]

I'm like, yeah.

[B]

And plus, I got a lot of cavities when I was pregnant in the past. And so I was literally in the chair. And the hygienist goes, is your baby moving? And I was like, yeah, she can literally see. See my belly going, like, all over the place.

[A]

That's hilarious.

[B]

That's how active this dude is. Yeah.

[A]

And even when we've gotten different ultrasounds done, the. The text have always talked about how active our baby is.

[B]

Yeah. She's like, this is the most. And she was like a grandma. She was a grandma, and she was like, I've done this for a really long time, and I. It's been a while since I've seen a baby that active. So maybe my predictions of this baby being chill are maybe incorrect.

[A]

Might have a very hyper child on our hands.

[B]

That would be great too. Honestly, we can handle it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

We have two toddlers and a hyper dog.

[A]

Like, we got this.

[B]

He's gonna fit in just Great.

[A]

Well, everybody, thank you again for tuning in to another episode of Unplanned. If you've been here since the beginning. Oh, my gosh. Thank you. Like, seriously, thank you so much for listening. Each and every week. We're gonna do our best to have really incredible guest interviews coming up while we're off the grid and just, like, taking care of our baby and getting used to being parents of not two, but three boys. So we appreciate your patience with these solo episodes coming out. But, yeah, I mean, as always, let us know which guests you've really enjoyed us having on and which guests you'd like to see on the pod, and we'll do our best to reach out to them and have them. Yeah.

[B]

Who do you want to have on Arthur Brooks again?

[A]

Yeah, that'd be fun.

[B]

He's writing a new book about love, and I want to talk about love.

[A]

That would be fun. I would love that.

[B]

With his wife.

[A]

With his wife.

[B]

Arthur Brooks and us. Arthur Brooks and Esther. I'm putting that one out there.

[A]

Put it out there. I love it. Yeah.

[B]

Send that through the team.

[A]

I like it. I like it. That's a good idea.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, maybe we'll have Arthur Brooks back on again.

[B]

Yeah. Finding love and staying in love. Shout out.

[A]

Yeah. That's sweet. Well, thank you again. And we'll see you guys next time.

[B]

Maybe we'll have a baby next time.

[A]

Maybe next time we'll have a baby. Next time you'll see us, we'll have a baby. That's crazy to think about.

[B]

All right, we're ready.

[A]

Peace. Thank you, guys.

[B]

Thanks, guys.

[C]

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