Mormon Influencers, Filming Reality TV & Raising 5 Kids w/ Madison & Kyler (The FishFam)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby

Episode: Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Orange County w/ Madison & Kyler Fisher
Date: May 13, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode features Madison and Kyler Fisher—renowned family vloggers—who join Matt and Abby to discuss joining the cast of the new reality show Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Orange County. The conversation delves into parenting as influencers, navigating reality TV, family and faith, nuanced Mormon culture, community perceptions, and candid moments about marriage, social media, and raising a large family.

The tone is open, friendly, and humorous, balancing lighthearted anecdotes with deeper reflections on faith and family.

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Table of Contents

1. Introduction & Show Background
2. Reality TV Experience & Expectations
3. Friendships, Drama, and Authenticity
4. Faith, Beliefs & Mormon Culture
5. Parenting, Motherhood & Family Life
6. Behind the Scenes: Filming & Social Media
7. Personal Journey: Identity, Purpose, and Advice
8. Fun and Rapid Fire: "Who's More Likely"
9. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
10. Key Timestamps

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Introduction & Show Background

• Matt & Abby welcome Madison and Kyler Fisher, introducing them as popular family vloggers with five children and recent participants in the Hulu docuseries Born to Be Viral ([00:22]).
• The episode centers on joining Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: OC, family life, and authenticity in the public eye.

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Reality TV Experience & Expectations

• Editing Fears & Vulnerability: Madison shares reservations about being edited to look like a villain and losing control over real-life footage, recalling their five-year experience being filmed for Born to Be Viral ([00:39], [23:13]).
  • "They'll take kind of like the worst moment, and then they'll add, like, this ominous vibe to it." – Madison [00:39], [23:31]
• Dads on the Show: Kyler explains husbands are less visible, as the show targets audiences interested in the wives’ stories ([02:01]). He’s relieved to avoid potential awkward soundbites or unfiltered moments.
• Editing Manipulation: Both discuss how reality TV can twist narratives for drama, removing context and creating false villain arcs ([02:57], [03:02]).
  • "He has the person that could possibly maybe by something he says that's very truthful. So he speaks truth." – Madison [03:04]

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Friendships, Drama, and Authenticity

• Real Existing Relationships: Madison describes her genuine long-term friendships with fellow cast members, contrasting their OC group to the original Utah-based cast ([04:05], [04:37]).
• Concerns About Drama: Reflecting on the original series’ controversies, including the "swinging" scandal and resulting friendship fallouts, both express hopes to avoid similar outcomes ([05:28], [26:47]).
  • "If you get really involved in drama and you make it your whole world, then friendships can fall apart." – Madison [05:28]
• Standing Up for Self: Madison shares being pushed out of her comfort zone to have hard conversations, rare even in her family ([06:03]).

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Faith, Beliefs & Mormon Culture

• Explaining LDS Terminology: Madison and Kyler clarify the meanings of LDS, “Mormon,” and the roles of notable figures like Mormon, Joseph Smith, and Brigham Young ([06:32], [08:30]).
• Church Participation & Roles: They attend church weekly; Madison teaches the “Sunbeams” class for 3–4-year-olds ([11:47], [12:26]).
• Women’s Roles: Discussion around why only men participate in baby blessings—Kyler jokes about "men have nothing else to do," but Madison contextualizes it with biblical tradition ([15:09]).
  • "The men hold the priesthood because they have nothing else to do because we can't create life." – Kyler [15:10]
• Family Size & Doctrine: They discuss the prevalence of large LDS families, explaining beliefs about spirit existence before birth and the purpose of earthly life ([16:09]).
• Baptism for the Dead: Both describe this core LDS practice—baptizing for deceased ancestors so they have the choice to accept in the afterlife, sharing personal anecdotes ([17:13]).
  • "They're just names on a card, man." – Kyler [19:21]
• Show’s Religious Angle: Madison hopes this iteration of the show more accurately portrays LDS beliefs and personal faith journeys ([10:42], [11:04]).

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Parenting, Motherhood & Family Life

• Juggling Five Kids: They discuss logistics, help from family (cousins living with them), and being flexible vs. expecting perfection ([35:33]).
• Motherhood as Identity: Madison and Abby reflect on motherhood bringing meaning and personal growth, while acknowledging the sensitivity for those facing infertility ([47:00]–[54:11]).
  • "Kids changed my whole life, so I always give people that advice." – Madison [48:03]
• Differences Raising Girls vs. Boys: Anecdotes about attention span and temperament differences, with the girls enjoying calmer activities and the boys being more physical ([41:52]).
• Navigating Sensitive Conversations: From Santa Claus reveals to questions about pregnancy, Madison shares how they approach these milestones thoughtfully ([40:01]).

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Behind the Scenes: Filming & Social Media

• Home Setup for Filming: Production has installed removable lighting/magnets in their home; concerns about privacy and “being bugged” are voiced humorously ([22:01]).
• Control Over Kids’ Exposure: Showrunners restrict child appearances for privacy— Madison is more comfortable with this for drama-centric shows ([34:03]).
• Pay Structure: They get paid per episode via negotiated contracts and make additional income via brand deals and affiliate content ([35:06], [76:09]).
• Social Media Evolution: Both reminisce on the fun of early vlogging and the changing industry, with Madison admitting she sometimes feels like quitting ([78:27]).

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Personal Journey: Identity, Purpose, and Advice

• Pivot from Acting to Family: Madison describes moving from acting/modeling to full-time motherhood as a transition that finally gave her purpose ([48:08], [49:06]).
  • Shares a poignant journal entry about struggling with meaning before children and the dramatic change after becoming a parent ([49:06]).
• Influence of Faith: They emphasize trusting God’s plan even when circumstances seem impossible, recounting financial struggles preceding the birth of their first child and a resulting “miraculous” turnaround ([50:48]).
• Respecting Different Journeys: Both stress empathy for the diversity of experiences in parenthood and faith ([54:11]).

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Fun and Rapid Fire: "Who's More Likely"

A playful segment where Matt and Abby ask Madison and Kyler “who’s more likely to…” ([61:43] and throughout):

• Break screen time rules? Madison ([61:51])
• Regret a social post? Madison ([62:48])
• Start but not finish a project? Kyler ([65:19])
• Hold a grudge? Kyler—but only with people outside the marriage ([73:33])
• Apologize first? Madison ([74:33])
• Quit social media? Madison ([78:27])
• Be the fun parent? "Madison is definitely the fun parent." – Kyler ([69:21])

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Storytelling:
  "They can make me the villain. You never know." – Madison [00:55]
  "If I had to defend her, I'm going to battle." – Kyler [29:14]
• On Reality TV’s Impact:
  "What happens with reality TV is people are seeing little moments and they're judging people off this one thing." – Madison [30:37]
• On Faith in Uncertainty:
  "God has a bigger plan that we can't see outside of Him." – Madison [51:06]
• On Parenting:
  "Moms make it happen. We just figure it out. And dads. But it's difficult. It's definitely difficult." – Madison [37:23] "You can be pulling your hair out. ... but you're never sad and you're never, ever bored." – Abby [58:47]
• On Church & Personal Boundaries:
  "The church doesn't tell me anything. I'm just my own person. That's the thing—everyone's like, 'oh, it's such a cult.' No, I'm just my own person, 100%." – Madison [66:52]
• On Social Media Burnout:
  "I genuinely actually really do like social media. But once a month, I go extremes in my thoughts." – Madison [78:47]
• On Community Support:
  "We pay 10% of our increase to the church. ... We've never gone without. ... I just feel like that relationship with God and the testimony that I have of the law of tithing (is important)." – Kyler [68:43]

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Key Timestamps

• [02:01] Dads’ roles in the show
• [05:28] Worries about friendship fallout due to drama
• [10:42] Hopes for a more accurate portrayal of faith
• [12:26] Madison’s church role (Sunbeam teacher)
• [15:09] Women’s roles in baby blessings and church traditions
• [16:09] Discussion on family size and pre-existence
• [17:13] Explaining baptisms for the dead
• [23:13] Vulnerability of being filmed for documentaries
• [29:14] Kyler on loyalty and defending Madison
• [34:03] Kids’ presence on reality TV
• [41:52] Raising girls vs. boys
• [49:06] Purpose, motherhood, and life transformation
• [61:43] “Who's More Likely...” rapid-fire questions segment
• [69:21] Who's the fun parent
• [78:27] Who would quit social media first

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Conclusion

This episode offers an honest look at the Fishers’ new reality TV journey, their family dynamics, faith perspectives, and the realities (and anxieties) of sharing their lives both on and off screen. Madison and Kyler balance vulnerability about the anxieties of public perception with confidence in their purpose as parents and individuals rooted in their faith.

Their banter with Matt and Abby covers deep topics––beliefs about family, church, and personal happiness––and delivers takeaways for listeners considering the real lives behind influencer and reality TV fame.

Next: Matt and Abby hope to have Kyler and Madison back post-airing for more behind-the-scenes insight!

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For Listeners:

Follow the Fishers:

• YouTube & Instagram: Kyler Steven Fisher, Madison Fisher, The FishFam
• Check out Kyler’s app: Rhythms
• Watch for Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: OC – premiering Fall 2026

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[End of Summary]

Transcript

[Matt]

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[Matt]

Please welcome the new edition of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Orange County Madison and Kyler. Madison and Kyler Fisher are some of the Internet's most famous family vloggers, sharing everything from the births of their five children to collabs with celebrities like JoJo Siwa and Jake Paul.

[Madison Fisher]

They were filmed us for five years, and you don't know what footage they're gonna use. And then they'll take kind of like the worst moment, and then they'll add, like, this ominous vibe to it.

[Matt]

After being featured on the Hulu documentary Born to be viral, Madison and her family were invited to join the new cast of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Orange County.

[Madison Fisher]

They can make me the villain. You never know.

[Matt]

Unless it's Kyler.

[Kyler Fisher]

People find her ways to make me look like a scumbag. I do not like fake people.

[Madison Fisher]

Are you saying that I'm fake?

[Matt]

Hey, before we jump into today's episode, I wanted to mention that 65.3% of you are not subscribed to the show. I know. That was very shocking to me as well. I'm sure you guys are shocked hearing that. So if you are one of the 65.3% that is not subscribed and listens and supports this show, please just take two seconds to just tap that subscribe button. It's a free way that you can support our show. And if you subscribe, what we'll do on our end is do the best we can to. To make the best show possible for you. We're gonna bring on the guests that you guys want us to interview. We'll talk about the parenting, marriage, and relationship topics that are interesting and applicable to you guys. Thank you so much for supporting our show. Thank you. If you're one of those people that wasn't subscribed and now you're subscribed. Thank you so much. Let's get on with today's episode.

[Madison Fisher]

Thank you for that.

[Kyler Fisher]

And her husband is what the show kind of like, allows. I don't have a name.

[Matt]

Wait, what do you mean by that?

[Abby]

They're not.

[Madison Fisher]

The husband's on very much on this one.

[Abby]

I don't think really they're gonna have the husband's on. You've Been.

[Matt]

You've been cut out of the show?

[Kyler Fisher]

No, no, no, no. We're filming. But. But, you know, it's like, I think

[Madison Fisher]

the original one, they didn't really. Everyone keeps saying, like, we don't like dad talk. We don't like dad talk.

[Kyler Fisher]

I'm like, well, I totally were. I'm not doing dad talk, so don't worry.

[Matt]

Why do people not like dad talk?

[Kyler Fisher]

I don't know.

[Madison Fisher]

I think it's like a. Like, I think the majority people that watch just want to follow the women. I don't know. I like seeing the dads on there.

[Matt]

It's kind of like showing up to a.

[Madison Fisher]

Because it's part of them.

[Matt]

And there's a bunch of dudes there. What the frick?

[Abby]

Who brought their husband.

[Madison Fisher]

So maybe with this new one, they're trying to listen to the audience. Maybe like, not let the dads on very much, but I think they should be in part of it because they're part of us. I feel like so far he's been in a couple of the scenes, but I do feel like majority of the scenes so far have been just the girls meeting up.

[Kyler Fisher]

I'm legit okay with it because the more and more I'm on camera, the more opportunity I have to say something stupid. And I am one of those guys, I say, stupid.

[Madison Fisher]

Stupid.

[Matt]

I was going to ask you that. Are you worried about being, like, branded as a villain on the show?

[Kyler Fisher]

I don't think I'll be a villain.

[Madison Fisher]

He. He has the person that could possibly maybe by something he says that's very truthful. So he speaks truth. Very honest. So I feel like if they cut out context, you know how. Because. Because basically on reality shows, they can take things and move things around.

[Matt]

Well, they're trying to make it for an entertaining.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes.

[Matt]

Show.

[Madison Fisher]

I think it's good to be truthful, though.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Kyler Fisher]

Sometimes a little too true. Truthful.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes.

[Kyler Fisher]

So we'll see.

[Abby]

They can't handle the truth.

[Kyler Fisher]

Maybe some people get sensitive. Some of the girls won't be able to handle the truth. It'll be bad for them if I start speaking. So it's better if I don't.

[Madison Fisher]

Oh, my God.

[Matt]

Wait, what? Why do you say that? That seems like there's some, like, energy behind.

[Kyler Fisher]

There's some energy for sure, but we're not going to talk about it.

[Madison Fisher]

So

[Abby]

people are like, okay, so are

[Matt]

you guys worried about.

[Abby]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Relationships being ruined by being on a reality TV show? Because that's a lot of pressure. That's a lot of eyeballs on Your

[Abby]

life because you knew a lot of these girls before this all started.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, no. Four of us live down here in Orange county and we've all been friends for a long time. I knew one of them for 15 years. One of them. We've been really good friends for the last couple years. And our kids dance together. And then I have this other girl I went to high school with. So I've known her Macy. You know Macy from the original show. So Macy's sister McCall is on this show with me. And I went to high school with Macy.

[Matt]

Oh, okay.

[Madison Fisher]

And then my friend Ashley, who's on the show, her and I got really close all year. Our kids dance together. And then Chandler. I've known her for like 15 years.

[Abby]

Oh, wow.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes. And so then I kind of knew the other girls just through social media, like Aspen. I've known her because she's had the YouTube channel for a lot of years. We followed each other. We both lived in Utah at one point. We met up a couple times. Not because we tried to, but just because we ran into each other. And then we've DM'd each other a lot about meeting up. Sal, I've known for.

[Kyler Fisher]

We've been on trips together, like influencer trips.

[Madison Fisher]

Known her husband. Yeah, we want to influence together on the cruise. We both have twins. I never knew Avery. I didn't know Bobby, but I knew of Bobby through her funny satire posts and stuff. She's hilarious.

[Abby]

Having like 15 year long relationships with these women, does that make you nervous? Like entering into a reality TV space with all the eyeballs. And obviously given the controversy surrounding the original cast of, like, the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives in Utah, like, does that concern you at all or.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes. So I think that a lot of the girls in Utah, I feel like some of them have stayed pretty close friend, like close friendship throughout all of the things that have happened. But a lot of them have had some falling out and I would hate that to happen with some of my friends out here. I think for me, I'm realizing that if you get really involved in drama and you make it your whole world, then friendships can fall apart. What I like to do is I'm okay with speaking truth. If somebody's offending me, I'll stand up for myself. But I feel like if.

[Kyler Fisher]

No, you won't.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes, I will.

[Kyler Fisher]

She doesn't stand up for herself.

[Madison Fisher]

I. I did on the first episode.

[Kyler Fisher]

Well, all right.

[Matt]

Episode one has been completely filmed.

[Madison Fisher]

So episode one was when I had to get in, you know, have a hard conversation. With a friend. I'm not good at hard conversations because I just don't do that. Like, even with my own family members. My entire life, I've never even had conflict with my sisters before. Ever.

[Abby]

My own sisters.

[Madison Fisher]

My own sisters, ever. This was the first time this year that I've ever had to talk to my sister about something difficult. And it was the same month that I had talked to my friend about something difficult because it's all connected with this thing that happened.

[Matt]

I think there's probably people wondering what LDS means. Can you explain the term LDS to somebody that doesn't understand Latter Day Saint?

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, Latter Day Saint.

[Kyler Fisher]

It's just what distinguishes us from other Christian faiths, I guess.

[Matt]

And is that because it's.

[Madison Fisher]

It's the name of the church? The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day? Yeah, it's like Christ l Saints. We have a lot of different names in Spanish.

[Kyler Fisher]

It's crazy. People would call us Santos de los Dias. Can you imagine saying that whole time?

[Madison Fisher]

Oh, my God. That's crazy.

[Matt]

Wow. Wait, where did you serve your mission here?

[Madison Fisher]

He doesn't speak Spanish. He just knows that one language.

[Kyler Fisher]

Not in San Clemente, in San Bernardino County. Okay, so all the way from Baker to Redlands to Claremont.

[Abby]

So you guys were both raised in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and are still active members?

[Madison Fisher]

We still go every Sunday. I teach the church class.

[Kyler Fisher]

You actually look every Sunday serve their mission.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, I know I'm not a compliment.

[Matt]

Everybody thought we were Mormon.

[Abby]

She's a bicycle.

[Matt]

When we moved to, we used to live on Oahu, and everybody thought we were Mormon because we lived five minutes.

[Abby]

We got married.

[Matt]

Temple.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes.

[Kyler Fisher]

I feel like you guys just happy. You look like a return missionary.

[Madison Fisher]

Happy young marriage.

[Kyler Fisher]

We got married.

[Abby]

We don't cuss and.

[Kyler Fisher]

Oh, that's good.

[Matt]

People got really confused.

[Abby]

When I started drinking coffee.

[Kyler Fisher]

I cuss a little. What is that?

[Abby]

Well, I was drinking coffee. They were like, well, wait a minute. So I guess I feel like talking about the show and talking to. We have a lot of friends that are members of the church and active members. What we've come to understand is that the term Mormon is not really like, people within the church don't really like that term as much anymore.

[Madison Fisher]

The church came out a few years ago and we're like, can we stop calling ourselves Mormon? Because people think that we worship Mormon, the Prophet Mormon, but actually we don't. We actually worship Jesus Christ.

[Kyler Fisher]

I think it's like a. I don't even know where it came from. To be honest, I don't know if the church. Church kind of went along with it or whatever people started calling it because the Book of Mormon or whatever.

[Madison Fisher]

The reason our. Our book is called the Book of Mormon is because he took all the old writings from prophets back in the day and he put them all together.

[Matt]

Okay. Yeah. Wait.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Matt]

We've. We've had many people that are les in our podcast, but I always get confused. So Mormon. How is. How is Mormon, like, the guy Mormon, different than, like, Joseph Smith or Brigham Young? Can you, like, explain those three different characters?

[Madison Fisher]

Do tell.

[Kyler Fisher]

Joseph, the Brigham, they're all just prophets in different dispensations.

[Matt]

I didn't want to be sorry. That probably.

[Madison Fisher]

No, just so you know. You don't know. I don't get offended by anything.

[Matt]

See, and that's the LDS answer, because you guys are also freaking nice. So friendly, so kind.

[Madison Fisher]

I don't get offended by one thing.

[Matt]

I could, like, slap you and be like, oh, it's okay. You didn't hurt my face. Like.

[Kyler Fisher]

No, just. Just prophets, different dispensations at times, just like the Bible. So, like, what's the difference between Moses and Noah? I don't know.

[Matt]

Okay, so they're all prophet.

[Kyler Fisher]

I don't know.

[Matt]

How many Mormon is a prophet?

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah.

[Abby]

How do you feel then about the title of a show being the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? If, like, you're like, well, shouldn't this be.

[Kyler Fisher]

That's the hook.

[Matt]

Lives of Latter Day.

[Kyler Fisher]

That's the hook. That's the thumbnail.

[Madison Fisher]

I think that name became super popular on the last one. So if they're going to create a new show and change the name, people wouldn't think of it as part of that. You know, what they're doing is all the people that already watched that one, they want that audience to watch this one. I think they're just like, use, like, they want to continue the popular name.

[Abby]

So in your mind, you're like, it's not that deep.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Abby]

Okay.

[Kyler Fisher]

We are pretty secretive over here, though. We got lots of secrets.

[Abby]

Yeah. You guys, secretive. Here's the thing.

[Madison Fisher]

Super secretive.

[Abby]

They won't know our secrets in your community. How do they respond to you? Because I know that, like, a lot of members of the church were critical of how Mormonism was presented on the original show.

[Kyler Fisher]

So how it wasn't presented, I think, at all.

[Matt]

I think a lot of.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, I wish they could have presented it more.

[Matt]

It's kind of like, you know, it's frustrating if.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah.

[Matt]

People who have never heard of you before. Are like, oh, yeah, it's this, like, group of swingers from Utah, you know?

[Madison Fisher]

Yes. No, at first, when they came out with it, I'm like, oh, are people gonna get offended by this? It's less of me being offended. I'm more worried about if it was gonna be, like, I won. I wondered if it was gonna be about swinging and about making the church look bad. But when I watched it, I was thinking they didn't really talk about the church ever. I think they had one episode where they did, like, a baby blessing or something. Right?

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

At Zach's house or something. Okay.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Madison Fisher]

That was, like, the only thing I saw I wanted on this show. I. I'm thinking, come to our church with us. Let's go to an activity. Oh, you know, I was thinking maybe they can follow us going to the temple one night or something. Oh. Maybe they can show more about what we believe.

[Abby]

So would you hope for this version of, like, the Secret Lives Wives OC to represent the church more authentically?

[Madison Fisher]

That's what I'm hoping for. Yes. And. And even though some of the girls aren't lds, I'm like, that's great too. It's good to have them being them and us showing what we believe in, and we could explain to them what we believe, you know, a little bit more. They can tell their story, why they left. Because people are all on different journeys that have either some. A lot of the people in the church maybe have left the church, or maybe they're deciding if they want to go back to the church. So there's lots of different ways to be Mormon. Right. And, like, some people maybe go once in a while. Some people go every week. Some people, you know, like I said, left. And so I think it's kind of cool to have different people. People on the show. And I'm hoping that I can show the way that I show up to church, you know, the way that I believe in the church. So I'm hoping to show more. Yeah.

[Matt]

What does that look like for you guys? Do you guys go to church every Sunday?

[Madison Fisher]

We go every week.

[Matt]

Is it multiple times a week or just once a week?

[Madison Fisher]

We didn't go this week. It's kind of really wanted to go to this or the week before. Fun place.

[Matt]

What fun place go to?

[Madison Fisher]

What was it, like, a swap meet?

[Kyler Fisher]

I sounded like it's pretty secretive.

[Madison Fisher]

Ooh, we're letting out all the secrets right now. No. What was that thing in Dana?

[Kyler Fisher]

Oh, it's a redo market. Yeah, that's right.

[Madison Fisher]

It's not that fun.

[Kyler Fisher]

Sometimes I just like. Sometimes I just don't like to go to church. Sometimes I just like to take my kids on a hike and experience God that way.

[Madison Fisher]

You know, I kind of have to go every week because I teach the kids. So if I don't go then they don't have a teacher.

[Matt]

What, what is your official title?

[Madison Fisher]

I am the Sunbeams teacher. So that's ages 3 and 4 year olds.

[Matt]

That's so sweet.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes, but I'm with another sunbeams. I actually know my whole life.

[Matt]

Do you guys sing like little songs? Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes.

[Abby]

I want the show to go to sun.

[Madison Fisher]

Wait, what was it? The sun song. I already forgot it. Wait, do you do like Jesus wants me for a song, stuff like that to shine for him each day.

[Matt]

That's sweet.

[Abby]

I want this show to come to church.

[Madison Fisher]

I know. I wonder if the church will let them.

[Kyler Fisher]

Come on, bro. I can baptize you today.

[Madison Fisher]

They have to get permission and with

[Abby]

all the kids there and my parents

[Madison Fisher]

show the kids they could show maybe me by myself setting up for the class.

[Kyler Fisher]

I don't think in the classroom, I don't think that the church will allow the production.

[Madison Fisher]

But why can't they go into the classroom and show me setting up my cute little.

[Matt]

They're strap a GoPro to you.

[Abby]

You do this every week?

[Madison Fisher]

Yes. Yeah, yeah. So it's fun for me. So the weeks I don't go, I have to get. I have to get a sub. So yes, sometimes we don't go. Some, some weeks like next week is Mother's day. So all the men teach for us.

[Abby]

Oh cute.

[Matt]

That's sweet.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes. And all the women get to go to like have their own little class.

[Matt]

Do you have to wear like a fancy dress or fancy suit to church?

[Madison Fisher]

They just say to show respect. It's like a respect thing for Christ. So like show up as your best dress. Like it could be pants if you want. As a woman you don't have to wear a dress. It's just like don't come in like your sweats with your messy hair, you know. They want you to show like be your best self that day. Like you're coming to there to show up for Christ.

[Kyler Fisher]

That's probably most churches, I think most churches are that way. They. Dude, I think you'd be surprised.

[Matt]

Non denominational now, bro.

[Abby]

They say come as you are.

[Matt]

Show up in like a wife beater with like tatted up, you know what?

[Madison Fisher]

And I actually, part of me actually loves that because you should be able to show up as how you are. Right.

[Kyler Fisher]

I can't remember who said this, but

[Madison Fisher]

one of the fact that you're there,

[Matt]

one of the leaders of Right leaders

[Kyler Fisher]

in the church one time said, if the church doesn't smell a reek of smoke and alcohol and all sorts of stuff, we're not doing our job job. You know, I think you should show

[Madison Fisher]

up everyone to Christ.

[Kyler Fisher]

Everybody should be there, no matter what you look like or what.

[Madison Fisher]

Can you imagine, though, everyone's saying what you do at church.

[Abby]

You said that part of your church, like the men teach on Mother's Day. Yeah, that reminded me of something. And since you kind of opened the floor for curious questions. But if. Yes, I don't want to, like, I.

[Madison Fisher]

Curious questions are great.

[Abby]

So I have curious questions about the church too. Especially just because I feel like in general, like. Because the show probably. And in general, like Mormon culture has become so, like people are fascinated by it. I feel like, especially people outside of the church. Obviously.

[Madison Fisher]

The show came out, right?

[Abby]

Yes, I think the show has a major role in that. And now your show, too. We've been to a couple, like, at the church, like, baby blessings.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah.

[Abby]

And I always surprised me that there's no women up at the front when they're doing the baby blessings.

[Madison Fisher]

So we believe.

[Kyler Fisher]

We believe in something called the priesthood. And the men hold the priesthood because they have nothing else to do because we can't create life. The women get to sit back and just relax.

[Madison Fisher]

No, I think it's more so. I think it's less about the guys don't have anything to do. I think it was just back in biblical times, you know, how Jesus went to John the Baptist to baptize him because he had the priesthood. And I feel like then he gave the priesthood to the 12 apostles. So it's been passed down through men since biblical times. And so we believe that the priesthood is still on the earth. It's been restored. And those same keys that were back in the Old Testament and New Testament are here on the earth now. And they can heal just like Jesus would heal. And they can.

[Kyler Fisher]

Or perform specific. Perform ordinances, blessings or baptism or.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, so we have people with the priesthood perform baptisms and baby blessings and things like that that have been passed down all the way from Jesus to now.

[Abby]

And that can only be men.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah. So men hold the priesthood.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah, so far.

[Matt]

And why is it that every LDS family has, like, prayers, like seven children,

[Madison Fisher]

I think for our church? You can say if you want. I have my.

[Kyler Fisher]

I like when you talk.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah. No, I feel like, I feel like God's plan was for all of us to come to earth, right? To get a body to experience life, to learn good from evil, to have our agency and return back to him. Right. That's like the point of life. I feel like having kids brings the spirits and the people here, you know, so people can come from heaven and experience life.

[Matt]

Oh yeah. Because you guys believe that like when you're born, you were already like alive, right?

[Madison Fisher]

Yes, I like, yeah, yeah, yeah. That we were. Like we've always existed. Like our spirits, like we have a higher self. Like we've always exist, like existed in

[Kyler Fisher]

a way before we were. Before we were. It actually says in the scripture, before we were born, he knew us, you know. So yes, we believe in like it talks about the war in heaven and a third of the hosts of heaven followed Satan. And you know, I mean like we

[Madison Fisher]

were all there and then we all go, we'll go back home, right?

[Matt]

Have you guys ever participated in a baptism for the dead?

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes.

[Matt]

How often does it happen?

[Kyler Fisher]

Whenever you want to go.

[Madison Fisher]

So I. If you go to the temple and want to do that, you can, but I've only done that when I was 12.

[Kyler Fisher]

You just do it in proxy and proxy for someone's name that's passed. So accept a man and be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. We believe in baptism being a essential saving ordinance, right. Where a lot of, a lot of non dynamic Christians don't believe that it's an essential saving or they believe that baptism isn't necessarily a necessary thing. So we do it in proxy and just gives those who have passed on an opportunity to accept. I feel like Jesus, that ordinance on behalf of your decision to, to, you know, bury your old life and become new in Christ.

[Matt]

If you don't mind me asking, who, who was the baptism for when you were 12?

[Madison Fisher]

You just get names of people that have passed so people will do family history work. So there's like online you can have your family tree so you can actually go and find old birth certificates or marriage certificates or anything for people that have passed in your family and you can end up finding like old aunts and uncles and their cousins. And their cousins. And it just endless goes right. So all these people, you figure out who they were married to and who their kids were and then you can take one of those names and go in and do their baptism. If they were never baptized, then they can have the option to decide if

[Kyler Fisher]

they want super deep, deep Deep doctors.

[Matt]

Yeah. I love it.

[Abby]

Sorry. It's so scary.

[Matt]

Is that okay that I'm asking these deep questions?

[Kyler Fisher]

Of course.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah. I don't care. Yeah.

[Kyler Fisher]

And it's not foreign.

[Matt]

And so was it like your mom or your grandma that was like, hey, hey, girls. We're going to do this baptism for, like, Joe, you know, Joseph W. I was gonna say Smith. I don't know of all the names. Joseph Sherkel from 1763. I don't know. Like, you're doing all your industry pretty much. How old. How old are these people that you're baptized?

[Kyler Fisher]

Back to the, I don't even know, 1500s.

[Matt]

You've B. You've done baptisms for the dead for people in the 1500s?

[Kyler Fisher]

I've only. Honestly, I've only done it probably five times in my whole life.

[Matt]

Really?

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah.

[Matt]

That is. That's so interesting. So what does it look like? Can we talk about what that looks like?

[Kyler Fisher]

They're just names on a card, man.

[Matt]

Oh, that you get. You get baptized for them?

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, yeah.

[Kyler Fisher]

Ah.

[Matt]

So, like, you're going in their place to get baptized for them, and then you believe that, like, in the afterlife, they're given the choice to accept.

[Kyler Fisher]

That's what. That's what life's all about. Life's about our agency. Right. We get to choose, like, yeah, whether we accept Christ or we don't.

[Matt]

But if somebody didn't get baptized, are they screwed? Like, there's still hope.

[Madison Fisher]

There's always hope for everything.

[Kyler Fisher]

All. Everything is done on God's timeline. So whatever we can do in this life, you know, whatever we can do in this life to help somebody else, that's what we do. And then the rest is for. For, I think, God. And, you know, I only did that

[Madison Fisher]

when I was 12, though. I mean, I would do it again if we want. But when you're in young women's, you go to young women's when you're 12, and I think it was like a field trip, basically.

[Abby]

Do they talk about on the show, like, young women's?

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah, you might.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Abby]

Yeah. So what does that look like?

[Madison Fisher]

So young women's is ages 12 to 18. And it's just the class you go to now, it's like calling it junior high. So it's like primary is like elementary school. And then when you turn 12 to 18, you go to young women's.

[Abby]

Okay.

[Madison Fisher]

Or young men's. And then when you turn 18, then you're an adult. So now you just go to the adult classes.

[Abby]

One of my good friends, like, do you host it? Do you lead Young women's or she has a role in Young Women's.

[Madison Fisher]

There's a teacher. Everyone gets callings in our church. So it's like a job. Basically you're not getting paid, you're just service. So everyone has like a job. So that way that's how you like have it all run smoothly and everyone can do their thing.

[Matt]

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[Madison Fisher]

They came in and added magnets everywhere so that the way they can come in, they can attach all the lighting quickly for sure.

[Abby]

Magnets sounded like Matt said, maggots.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Hold up. So this, this right here is like, is is a lighting strip or that's like a wire going up.

[Kyler Fisher]

So wires they can plug in or whatever.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, I don't know. They came in, did their thing for a couple hours and left and I haven't asked any questions.

[Abby]

I don't even know like this whole house be bugged. I don't know.

[Madison Fisher]

Oh, I didn't think about that. Oh my gosh.

[Abby]

Whoa.

[Madison Fisher]

What if they're filming like behind the scenes all day?

[Kyler Fisher]

Then we're screwed. Like screwed bad. I'm moving out of country, dude. That.

[Abby]

Why?

[Matt]

That would be intimidating if they if they had a camera in your house at all times. They do that on TV shows.

[Kyler Fisher]

Well, they gotta let you.

[Matt]

But, yeah, it's not.

[Madison Fisher]

It's not like we're doing anything crazy over here. Just. That feels a little uncomfortable.

[Abby]

Right.

[Madison Fisher]

Who knows what? Who knows who?

[Abby]

Anything could happen.

[Madison Fisher]

Anything can happen. Yeah.

[Matt]

Why did you. Okay, because this isn't your first rodeo. You've done. You've done, you know, multiple shows before. I know you guys did a show about Born. Born to Be. Was there sure.

[Abby]

That you guys did, like, a documentary.

[Matt]

Was there any hesitancy after that documentary of like. Like putting your life back out there for the world to see?

[Kyler Fisher]

Not for me. I don't really care.

[Madison Fisher]

I don't like that kinds of stuff very much.

[Matt]

Really? What do you mean by that?

[Madison Fisher]

I felt too vulnerable. Like, they were filmed us for five years, and you don't know what footage they're gonna use. And they just come in and they'll just film you for, like, five hours. And you're just living your life, and you don't know what they're gonna choose. And you're like, what's gonna be in the edit? What are they gonna do? And then they'll take cute moments out and put the moments in that you

[Matt]

look at your worst that are kind

[Madison Fisher]

of like the worst moment. And then they'll add, like, this ominous vibe to it. I don't know. I felt like it was ominous. I feel like the way that the COVID image they chose and stuff with the kids hanging from all the screens, I'm like, what is your. What was your intention with this? This doesn't feel like you're just showing the daily life of vloggers. Well, it's really like you guys had, like, an agenda.

[Matt]

It is interesting, though. I don't know, because, yeah, you guys did that show, which I want to say Hulu was a part of, and now Hulu's a part of this new show. Like, is it all connected in a way?

[Kyler Fisher]

I guess it could have been a little bit. Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

I think this one's a bit more positive.

[Kyler Fisher]

Hulu definitely knew who we were, you know what I mean? Because of that last thing. And I think that was an element of it for sure.

[Matt]

Were you guys happy with how that documentary or was it a documentary?

[Kyler Fisher]

I didn't mind. I think there are some elements I didn't like, but that's.

[Madison Fisher]

I love the producer, Inez. She's amazing. Did I like the documentary? Probably not.

[Kyler Fisher]

Madison doesn't like anything. Any light on her.

[Madison Fisher]

I will watch Stuff over and over and be like, I didn't like that. I said that. I don't like that I did that. I don't like the way I walked. I don't like what I'm wearing. I just need to be more confident, I guess.

[Abby]

So I don't know if we can say this, but. So we can cut this out if it's not. But you were asked to be a part of the Housewives in Utah.

[Madison Fisher]

We could talk about that.

[Abby]

Okay.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah. So for years, when I lived in Los Angeles, they asked me to be on the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, and I turned it down. And then I moved to Orange county, and they asked me to be on the Real Housewives of OC And I said no. And then I moved to Utah, and then I came back to OC and they asked me again to be on this time. And this time I was like, okay, let's entertain it. Maybe I took the interview.

[Abby]

And this is for Housewives of O.C.

[Madison Fisher]

yeah, I took the interview. This time for the first time. Wanted to see the vibes, you know, I'm like, I don't. Why am I always saying no? Maybe I should just do something. So then I took the interview, and then they wanted me to meet up with the other woman, and they really wanted me to do it. And my. I finally was feeling, like, really nervous. I don't know. I just don't really feel like it's right. And then I just turned it down. And then I got asked to be on this a few months later. This felt more right because the girls are my real friends. I am lds. I loved the other show. The other show. I don't know. I felt. It felt more like homey feeling. I felt like it wasn't as scary because I knew everybody on it, and we were all kind of doing this for the first time together. It's not like you're jumping into a cast that's already been there for so long, and you're the new girl. You're all starting it at the same time, right?

[Abby]

Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

It kind of is like this new thing for all of us. Yeah. And so it just felt more exciting. And I really did love the other show. I watch every episode, and I love all those girls. So, like, I would love to be attached to whatever that they've built.

[Abby]

So you have a good relationship with all those girls?

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Abby]

From the previous season.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah. I mean, I haven't met her. I haven't met them that much. But when I was at the Get Real event four of Them were in front of me and I said hi to all of them and they were so, so, so sweet. So they're just really nice.

[Abby]

That's cool.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Did you grow up with any of the girls from the original show as well?

[Madison Fisher]

I knew to me, her ex husband was his groomsman. We knew Dakota and Taylor because Dakota tiled our bathroom in Utah when we were remodeling.

[Abby]

Your bathroom.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Abby]

Small world.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes. And then we met Taylor at the gym and stuff.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

And then. Yeah. And then I went to high school with Macy.

[Matt]

That's a really small world, you guys. I did not realize how small the world was.

[Madison Fisher]

I know.

[Kyler Fisher]

It's pretty small.

[Matt]

Were you surprised when you heard about the swinging controversy?

[Kyler Fisher]

That.

[Matt]

Was that something that you, like, the community already knew about?

[Madison Fisher]

I did not know about the Internet. I didn't even know that people were swinging. I'm such in a bubble because that's.

[Matt]

That's what started the entire thing. Right. That's like why the.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah. Perked. Perked Hollywood up to go out there.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Kyler Fisher]

And cover it.

[Abby]

You know, when I think about, like, the Utah mom talk, I feel like since then there's been so many other mom talks that have sprung up.

[Matt]

Mom talk is everywhere.

[Abby]

But when I think about. I feel like when I think about that, when I think about, like, obviously the swinging scandal, but also, like, immense competition with one another.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes.

[Abby]

Like, do you feel that with the other moms that are a part of this new cast, like, that competitive element,

[Madison Fisher]

it could get there? Maybe. I think as we start to really get ingrained and the storyline starts to unfold more, I wonder, like, maybe. Maybe people could start getting competitive.

[Abby]

Are you competitive?

[Madison Fisher]

I'm not very competitive. I. Competitive stuff stresses me out. So I usually will back up and just take the background spot because I don't. Can't handle it.

[Abby]

Is that what you're gonna do?

[Madison Fisher]

And maybe I might just be on the couch in the back. If everyone's like a people.

[Kyler Fisher]

Super nice. She just likes to be nice.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Abby]

Do you think that this. This atmosphere could bring out a new side of you?

[Madison Fisher]

Oh, I mean, because you said you were coming. For the first time ever. The most terrifying thing of my entire life because I was speaking truth and trying to stand up for myself for the first time. I don't stand up for myself. So if I try to stand up for myself, I just cry. Yeah. So I am like, yes. I think it's gonna grow me in a way of, like, I can have a hard conversation and still be okay. Right. Usually when I Have a hard conversation with someone. I think my whole world is falling apart.

[Kyler Fisher]

You don't cry every time you have a hard conversation with me.

[Madison Fisher]

Excep. Tyler, you just.

[Kyler Fisher]

You're very stern with me.

[Abby]

With you.

[Madison Fisher]

But do you remember when you got in that little tiff with our. With Courtney, how I literally cried in our room? He got in a fight with somebody and I cried for three days on the show. No, it is. In real life, if he gets in an argument with somebody, it's not even me, just because he is. And I had to hear it or, like, witness it. I can't function until I have to go and call them and fix it for him.

[Matt]

Was it hard for you, Kyler, to watch Madison go through this? You know, episode one, confronting somebody, sharing about her feelings. Where was it hard for you to hold back?

[Kyler Fisher]

I've had. I've done everything in my power to hold back. My.

[Madison Fisher]

I told him he needs to just hold back and just be kind. Like, we just need to move forward and be kind.

[Matt]

Does Kyler tend to, like, do the fighting for you or, like. Yeah, confront people?

[Kyler Fisher]

If I had to defend her, I'm going to battle.

[Madison Fisher]

The thing is. That's interesting.

[Abby]

Villain, I'm calling it.

[Kyler Fisher]

I won't be a villain. I'm just gonna defend my wife.

[Abby]

I feel like there's a lot of excitement, a lot of buzz, like, circulating about this. Do we know when the first episode is coming out?

[Madison Fisher]

Ooh, they said probably around the fall, so I'm guessing falls like September, October.

[Kyler Fisher]

I think it's gonna be late fall.

[Madison Fisher]

Late fall, yeah.

[Matt]

How do you know? Do you have an inside person?

[Kyler Fisher]

I mean, we've heard it a couple times.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, the production has told us. And also I'm gonna be watching it for the first time as everyone else. They don't show us the edit, so.

[Matt]

That's so scary.

[Madison Fisher]

It's scary because you know how you film so many hours and days, right. And that all compiles into little moments. So they might film like 40 hours and that might just be like a 10 minute video.

[Matt]

Yeah. Okay, let's just. Let's just address the elephant in the room.

[Kyler Fisher]

There's.

[Matt]

There's villains on reality TV shows, you guys. There's people that like. Like the public generally just hates. I mean, if you look at Secret Lives, Mormon Wives, the original show, Whitney on season one was hated.

[Madison Fisher]

You know, maybe.

[Matt]

Maybe there was something with the producers and they just thought it was a good, interesting plot line. And obviously she's had a huge comeback, which I think huge.

[Madison Fisher]

Comeback, which I think is really cool.

[Matt]

Now she's, like, the favorite for anyone that's ever been canceled or ever gotten online heat. I think it's cool to look at Whitney and say, oh, doesn't matter what you've been through, there's always, like. There's always a silver lining and there's always, like, something.

[Madison Fisher]

I think that's the beauty of having multiple seasons, is because you really get to see people transform. And if somebody has a bad moment, it doesn't define their whole character. But what happens with reality TV is people are seeing little moments and they're judging people off this one thing. Yeah, but can people see your whole entire character? The truth eventually comes out. They see that how you've handled situations multiple times and that it's not always like that or, you know, I mean, you have to let people have an opportunity to really show who they are through a lot of episodes. Yeah, I think that's what happened was maybe people were judging her too quickly and they didn't see that she was just a very honest, truthful person, very confident in herself. I mean, I think that's what happened. Right. She became so, so confident. I see so much confidence in her.

[Matt]

It's been. It's been fascinating to watch because I remember feeling like, as a. As a creative and ask someone that's been on social media, I think everyone goes through it at some point where you get canceled or hate. And so when she was getting a lot of hate, I just felt. I just felt bad because I was like, yeah, you know, that's. Doesn't even matter what you did. It's just hard to experience all that, you know, feedback. But it's been. It's been cool. Like, now I see, like, her. Her comment section, her husband's comment section is, like, so positive.

[Madison Fisher]

So positive.

[Matt]

People are like, like, like cheering them on so much.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, no, I think it's really cool what they've done.

[Matt]

It must be scary for you guys, though, going into season one. It's like you have no idea how you're gonna be perceived on the show.

[Madison Fisher]

Like you said, they can make me the villain. You never know.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, I might be.

[Kyler Fisher]

Because you're too nice.

[Madison Fisher]

They might not like that. I'm just kidding. I don't know. I don't think I'm gonna be the

[Matt]

villain unless it's Tyler.

[Kyler Fisher]

People find her ways to make me look like a scumbag. I. I just. I just. One thing I just do not like, and I think you will find if. If it makes it in the edit is, I do not like fake people. I don't like fake people. I don't like somebody that. That kind of blends into whatever environment they're in. It drives me absolutely nuts. So I just. I just like real people, you know?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

Holding back and not trying to pick a fight at all moments and just trying to be cordial. I think that's a mature thing to do. I don't think that's fake. Like, why would I want to pick a fight with somebody?

[Kyler Fisher]

I just think the best thing at my birthday party, don't invite them.

[Madison Fisher]

No, I'm. I'm inclusive. Oh, are you saying that I'm fake?

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah, a little bit.

[Abby]

She's like, do we need to hash this out right now?

[Matt]

How does your. How does your family feel about you guys being on the show?

[Kyler Fisher]

My mom, I think my mom's terrified, probably for me, because she knows me.

[Madison Fisher]

My family was supportive of it because I think, also I think at first they were scared, but because I have other friends on it that they know that they grew up with and then they know their parents, I think they're kind of in it with them. They're like, oh, our daughter's doing this together.

[Abby]

That's fun. I'm sure that gives them some peace of mind. Like, okay, yes, we know the people involved. We know their character and like, we know their hearts. It's called See your lives of Mormon wives. But your guys, your kids play a big role in your everyday life. And like I always was, I was talking to my sister in law. We have a pot. I have a podcast with my sister in law. We were just talking about, like, if we were to be a part of some reality mom TV show, it would really just look like us trying to rush between nap time to go to the grocery store, going to the splash pad. Like, yeah, we're not necessarily throwing big parties. Like, we love to have a party, but it's usually just like a pool party where we turn on Monsters Inc. Yeah, like what. Where does the mom role come into, like a TV show like this?

[Madison Fisher]

I hope they can incorporate the mom roles a little bit because I don't feel. Because it's not centered around the kids and they don't really want the kids on it. I feel like, how am I going to show that I'm a mom without having the kids there at all? They did say the kids can be in the background in some scenes, but they're not going to show up close, which is good. I think it's good to Keep the kids off of Secret lives of Mormon wives type show. A reality show, like, what you guys are talking about, where it's your family. That's. That's super cute to have your kids. It's a family thing. It's about your life. This one has. Could have a lot of drama in it. You know, it's an older audience. I don't know. It's. I mean, like, more mature settings sometimes.

[Abby]

Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

So I don't know.

[Abby]

If they're not a part of the filming, they're not a part of it, really.

[Madison Fisher]

I think that's what was stressing me out about the last documentary is they just, you know, interviewing them and getting up close. I'm like, but that's stressful. I don't know.

[Abby]

Yeah, I can see that as a mom, like, having concerns about the one

[Madison Fisher]

thing you have, like, yes, we show our kids on the Internet, but we have full control of, like, what we're putting out. Out. Right. We are deciding, you know, a good, authentic moment. Whereas, like, them, like, if they're just, like, filming everything that gives. You don't have any say.

[Matt]

Are we able to talk about how you guys get paid? Is that, like, public information on.

[Madison Fisher]

Oh, yeah, I think we've already talked about that before.

[Matt]

If you're getting, like, a cut of the revenue or if it's like.

[Madison Fisher]

Oh, you mean for the show?

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

Oh, I think they just pay us per episode. Okay.

[Matt]

It's a flat. It's a flat rate per episode. And is that negotiated by, like, your manager with. With the production company?

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, with lawyers and stuff. Entertainment lawyers. And then still just. We just make the money the same. Just, like, brand deals.

[Matt]

How do you guys do it with five kids? Like, we. We have our hands full. We have our hands full with two. We have another one on the way. You have five? How does that even work?

[Madison Fisher]

I think just being really flexible, not. Not feeling like everything has to be perfect all the time. Right. Like, if I. Like, right now, my house is pretty clean, actually. But if my house is a full disaster. But we need to go somewhere. I'll leave the disaster for later.

[Kyler Fisher]

Chloe is here, which is super nice.

[Madison Fisher]

My cousin just moved in with us last week, and she's gonna be with us all summer.

[Kyler Fisher]

Keeping up on the house.

[Madison Fisher]

Keeping up on, like, so many things.

[Matt]

Oh, so your cousin's been helping, like, with the kids and with, like, cleaning and stuff?

[Madison Fisher]

Yes, yes. She's just here. Like, if I need to run an errand, she's here. She'll come with me. Places with the kids. Kyler's all like, both of us work from home together. Right. So we're always here.

[Kyler Fisher]

Very similar to your guys.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah. Like how you guys are. So we're always just around. I have all my family in town. My kids go to school. So that's opens up a lot of opportunity to get work done. So when they're out of school we can be more present. Okay. Before that it was a little bit harder when they were little. Like you guys are in the little phase where they're always home. For us, that was phase a little bit harder. More. I felt like I was a little bit more survival mode. I feel like now we have all these hours when they're at school. I'm like, well, what are we gonna do? So I can get a lot done.

[Abby]

Yeah. Before we started actually recording our conversation, you were telling me about a time that you had a newborn. A one and a half year old and two three year old olds.

[Madison Fisher]

Yep. During COVID Yeah. Newborn a one and a half year old and 2 a twin three year olds. It was crazy.

[Matt]

That's insane.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Abby]

It's so wild. Did you sleep?

[Madison Fisher]

And we didn't even have help. I don't even remember were we even sleeping.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah. I mean all of our kids, I think we. Everybody has that like four to six month window where they don't like sleep when you have a newborn. But our kids all slept really well.

[Abby]

They're good sleepers.

[Madison Fisher]

We always would wake up every three hours though in the night.

[Matt]

Goodness.

[Madison Fisher]

Until at least they were six months old. Somehow you just keep on going.

[Abby]

That's what I say. Moms make it happen.

[Madison Fisher]

We just figure it out. And dads. But it's difficult. It's definitely difficult.

[Abby]

I feel like moms have a. Have a like a reserve that's just like when you're at 0%. We do have an emergency generator I think so that you can plug in that dad's gonna sleep.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah. It's just a little bit extra. No, I totally agree.

[Abby]

You gotta dig a little deeper.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

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[Kyler Fisher]

like, oh yeah, our kids are asking us all sorts of questions like, like the questions that are like, you don't

[Madison Fisher]

want to answer what some things are called that you were like, who told you that word?

[Matt]

Well, like, okay, for instance, our three year old was asking about like how Abby was pregnant. And then I'm like, how do we explain this to him?

[Madison Fisher]

We haven't had the bird talks yet.

[Matt]

Oh, you haven't? No, not yet.

[Madison Fisher]

They think that we just. If you kiss a lot, you can get a baby.

[Matt]

You guys tell them that?

[Madison Fisher]

I said, they said, but then we'll kiss. Like, so could you be pregnant right now? I'm like, well, you have to like really kiss a lot. Like,

[Matt]

when are you guys gonna break the news? Probably this year.

[Madison Fisher]

Well, I wanted to tell them about, you know, like Santa and all that stuff first.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Madison Fisher]

So we just told them in February.

[Abby]

That feels like a good order.

[Madison Fisher]

I'm like, I thought, we can't have the birds and bees talk when there's something. The Easter bunnies coming, they're so little. I don't know. I feel like they're still in that Imaginative phase. Like, they still play Barbies and stuff. I feel like they get to that phase where they're kind of in that, like, pre teeny vibe, you know, where they're not make believe all day. And then you go, I feel like that's the time you're gonna have.

[Kyler Fisher]

How did.

[Matt]

How did the Easter Bunny and Santa conversation go?

[Madison Fisher]

It was funny. We were just. It was spur of them all. We were just having a random night. We're like, shoot. All the kids were asleep, but the twins were the only ones up, which never happens. Usually Hoffman's awake too. So there's just the twins and us. And we were like, let's just go have this conversation with them right now. So we just sit there. And I was like, so you know, the Easter Bunny and Santa and Tooth Fairy and the leprechaun, all these things, like, they're just. It was me and dad. They're like, no, it wasn't like, yeah, the elf. So the elf was you?

[Matt]

The elf on the shelf, dad, you

[Kyler Fisher]

were the one that did the Spider Man. Spider man wrapped up the elf. Then I was like, yeah, that was.

[Madison Fisher]

And then I had, like, one of Paulson's teeth in my drawer. And then I have their little Santa, like, letters, and they were super. So Oakley was crying a little bit. Tatum was like, thought it was so cool. And then. Then they came around. They thought it was funny. Then they started laughing, and then they started remembering all the moments that we did. And they're like, you guys.

[Abby]

All the badges of grief.

[Madison Fisher]

And you guys were bad at that.

[Kyler Fisher]

Wait, you're really bad, dad. At the elephant. Like, whatever. It's just like a late night.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Abby]

The elf is impossible. I. I feel like I can never introduce that.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes.

[Kyler Fisher]

Don't do it.

[Abby]

That's enough.

[Madison Fisher]

It's hard.

[Abby]

We are too techy for that.

[Madison Fisher]

We'd be like, no. It'd be like, sometimes at one in the morning, I'd be like, oh, my gosh, we didn't move the elf, dude.

[Abby]

I feel like, yeah, our kids would definitely ruin that immediately, and that would just cause a landslide for all the other. All the other creatures. My question for you is, you raised three girls and then now. And then two boys.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes.

[Abby]

Was raising girls different? Is it, like, pretty different from your boy? Are your girls pretty different from your boys?

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, they're really different. But I'm trying to think, like, pinpoint, like, what is different about them? I think for the girls, they would get entertained with the slightest things. Like, I could pull out, like, chalk or paint or something. And we would play for hours. Whereas the boys, they get over it in one second.

[Kyler Fisher]

They're more like peacocks.

[Madison Fisher]

They want to just, like, run. They. They like. They are attention span.

[Kyler Fisher]

Leave the house.

[Madison Fisher]

It's like they just want to, like, do something more.

[Abby]

I was always. I always ask my friends with girls that are the same age as my boys. I'm like, so do they just, like, sit in color?

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, they're like, oh, they love to.

[Abby]

I'm like, oh, we're like, hours eating crayons.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, break the crayons. Eating them. Are they getting more chill?

[Matt]

They will actually color now. They can.

[Abby]

They will sometimes color. They'll color for about 10 minutes.

[Madison Fisher]

That's great.

[Abby]

It's a whole 10 minutes.

[Madison Fisher]

I do feel like I'm with the girls. I just figured it out. Like, I felt like I was being, you know, such a great mom because I could set up an activity and they would work. But then the boys, I set up an activity and would not working. I'm like, well, okay, what do you guys want to do? What is it they want to do?

[Abby]

I feel like just a couple lightsabers is all they need.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes. For them. Yes. It's more physical. So they want to play monster, their favorite game ever. They want me to chase them around, act like a monster and try to

[Abby]

get them, pull them off, wrap them

[Madison Fisher]

in the blanket, throw them on the couch. They want to do that kind of stuff. Yeah. So it's more exhausting.

[Abby]

Yeah. I'm like. They're like, chase me, chase me.

[Madison Fisher]

I'm like, yes. Yeah. They want you to, like, entertain them. Whereas the girls, like, you could get stuff done, and they're kind of entertaining their own. Like, they're just your imagination. They're, like, creating the moment themselves.

[Abby]

The thing that I've heard from my friends with girls is, like, they get hit, and then they're sad because they are hurt that they got hit. And then they're sad emotionally because someone chose to hit them. Whereas, like, I feel like as soon as it stops stinging for our kids, that for our boys at least, it's like they. They obviously have great emotional needs too, but just looks different.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Abby]

And so it's like, then they just seemed like they're fine.

[Madison Fisher]

I think they're starting to get more emotional. They've been friend issues at school. Not them.

[Abby]

They're very.

[Madison Fisher]

They're much like me, like, where I just, like, am kind of chill, like the peacemaker. I don't like to get involved in. In, like, drama. So they're kind of like that too. But they will come home saying, like, this friend was crying today. This friend was upset that I was talking to this friend. This friend doesn't want us to be friends with this friend. So they're being pulled in all these different directions. And it's tough. But they have. There's a counselor at their school that all the kids will go in there and she helps facilitate like. Like a meeting. And they all will come in and chat about what's going on at recess, and then she helps them become friends again.

[Matt]

Great.

[Madison Fisher]

So it's good. So they'll open up to us about stuff like that.

[Matt]

Do your kids like living in California more or Utah more?

[Kyler Fisher]

I think they like it here a lot better.

[Matt]

Do you like it here more, too?

[Kyler Fisher]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt]

Because you guys are from California, moved to Utah.

[Kyler Fisher]

She's from here. I'm from Idaho.

[Matt]

Oh, okay. That's right. That's like. That's kind of random.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah.

[Matt]

From Idaho, though.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah.

[Abby]

I heard it's beautiful.

[Kyler Fisher]

I like. It was a great. It was great growing up there. But I mean, when you live in California for as long as we have, it's like, man, it's too cold. Yeah, it's just too cold. That's. It's like seven months of winter in Utah.

[Madison Fisher]

It's so warm here. I felt like in Utah because it was. Yeah, because it was like seven months of colds. I'm such a homebody already. So to get all the kids in there. Snowsuits to go out in the snow, and then they would get over it after, you know, 30 minutes, they're freezing. You go back inside. You spend a lot of time indoors, whereas I feel like out here they can play outside all throughout the year. And then also my whole family moved here, so we're by all of them, so.

[Matt]

Oh, that's great. Something else I wanted to talk about, but I'm like.

[Abby]

Yeah, I was like, what was your question?

[Matt]

What should. What should we talk about? What do you guys. What do you think the people want? Kyler, I feel like you're, like, in tune with what the people want. You know me.

[Madison Fisher]

What do the people want to know? We can't share too much about the show yet, so it is kind of a secret. But should we come? We'll have to come back once episodes release. Yeah. And we can chat about the episodes.

[Matt]

That would be great.

[Madison Fisher]

We would love that. Because I want to.

[Kyler Fisher]

I'm happy to dive into all the stuff that's going on right now because to be honest, I want to.

[Madison Fisher]

And I'm excited to share this kind of stuff with the world. I'm already on these platforms that just, like, will naturally talk about things, and I have to keep asking, you know, like, Hulu and stuff, like, what can I share? You know, and you can't share a lot right now.

[Matt]

Gotcha.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Because this is. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. Is this the first podcast you guys have done since the show was announced?

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Very cool.

[Madison Fisher]

Oh, no, I just did a podcast.

[Kyler Fisher]

We did one with Chris Kattan from Saturday night in the Live, like, two weeks ago.

[Madison Fisher]

Oh, yeah. And I did one with Larissa, but I don't think we talked. Oh, yeah, we weren't both of those. We said we can't really talk about much, so we lost.

[Kyler Fisher]

We did do two podcasts, and so.

[Matt]

Oh, nice. Nice.

[Madison Fisher]

Oh, yeah, I forgot already.

[Kyler Fisher]

We get asked every day to be on a podcast, but I don't. You know, there's only certain people we want to be on podcast.

[Madison Fisher]

The Unplanned podcast. 100%. This is the number one podcast.

[Matt]

I feel honored that you. That you've listened to our podcast.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes. I want to say I love you guys. We've known each other for so long.

[Abby]

Yes. I wanted to say this because I was telling Matt, I was like, something you. You texted me, which you probably have no memory of when we lived in Hawaii. So I'm talking about, like, four or five years ago.

[Madison Fisher]

Okay.

[Abby]

No, it's probably.

[Matt]

This is 2021.

[Abby]

2021.

[Matt]

So sad.

[Abby]

I was so sad while we were

[Matt]

living in Hawaii, and you were like, just have kids.

[Abby]

You were like, just have kids. I remember you texting me. You're like, seriously, just, like, start your family. You're like, I remember being like. And I don't want to put words in your mouth, but this is how I, like, remember it.

[Madison Fisher]

Remember.

[Abby]

You're like. I remember being, like, lonely and, like, feeling like, maybe, like, having, like, a. Feel, like, lost for purpose in some way. And you can correct me if I'm wrong, but then when you had kids, like, you were like. You felt like, just, like, so, like a piece of your identity.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes.

[Abby]

Was, like, there and, like, felt so much purpose and, like, happiness and excitement in your life. And I remember being like that. I think she's right. And, like, literally, I also am, like, very hesitant to say that because I'm like, this is not the way to go about things. If you're, like, in a low place in life is not the advice. I feel like we're in the Same way, like for where like you felt like so much purpose and identity and a mom and it felt like you hadn't been able to step into that role yet. And that moment of waiting was like kind of agonizing for me.

[Madison Fisher]

Kids changed my whole life, so I always give people that advice. So that's gonna be something I would've said.

[Kyler Fisher]

Madison. I were in Los Angeles, we were just running around. Madison's been an actress and model since she was like a three year old little girl. And we moved to Hollywood to be closer to that so she could really dive in. And. And I also dived in and we were just running around Hollywood being actors and trying to do their thing and we felt like we were just kind of like in a, you know, like one of those little hamster wheels.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

And we just wondering what the purpose.

[Kyler Fisher]

We felt like what our. What was our purpose? And we just kind of referred back to everything that honestly, the church teaches, which is, I mean, the, our literal position here in life is to like, have children, grow, gain experience, become like our heavenly father, like, you know, become like the Savior, Jesus Christ. The whole goal of this life is that not to be an actor or whatever. The whole goal is to, you know, that is the purpose of life. And so I, I can't remember exactly how it went down, but me and Madison, just one day, we just kind of just.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes, well, the purpose also is to gain knowledge, your own self. There's a lot of people that don't have kids, and I think that, that, you know, they have just as much purpose. I feel like they're. We found purpose in that though, right? We found purpose in having kids. I feel like for me, I remember I have this journal upstairs and I had like this really sad journal entry back in 2015, and it was like I was like in depression and I'm like, what is my purpose? What am I doing? I don't know what to do. I was like, I want to have kids, but I don't know if it's the right time. And everything just felt very random. And I remember it was like this really sad journal entry. And then you turn the page and it was like a year and a half later. It's like I'm about to have twins. I'm so excited. This is the best time of my life. Like my whole journal, my whole personality, like, I felt like I had such a purpose. It changed my whole life. And I always feel like God will provide a way when you become a parent. And I remember what you were saying about how it's not good advice to some people that are not in the situation.

[Abby]

Don't put that on your kids. Yeah, like, it's a you thing.

[Madison Fisher]

You have to decide for yourself. You. You have to be intuitive yourself. Maybe it's not for everyone at that moment, but for me, I felt like every. The odds were against me. We didn't. It's not like we had a ton of money or going on. We didn't have. We were in a little apartment, one bedroom. What. What was my purpose of having a child? I was only 23, you know, for me, the odds were against me. I could have easily been like, no, I need to have a career first. I need to get to this point first. I need to have this amount of money first. I need to be in my own home first. I could have said all of those things, but instead I took faith that God has a plan for me. And I'm like, I'm going to have a baby because I know that being a mom will bring so much joy and I know that he has a plan and he will provide a way no matter what. So we had a baby.

[Matt]

So within.

[Kyler Fisher]

Within two weeks time, actually, our life was in financial shambles.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes.

[Kyler Fisher]

Within two weeks time of having the baby, it was like, who's a 180? Just complete 180. Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

Our whole entire life changed.

[Kyler Fisher]

It was like literally mountains were moved for us.

[Madison Fisher]

Doors were just opening out of nowhere. That, like, just in our business and just everything, like, things were just like falling into place that we couldn't have even foreseen. And I feel like that's, to me was a testimony of, like, God has a bigger plan that we can't see outside of him. You know, there's that cute little picture of where like, Jesus Christ is holding a giant bear behind his back and that little girl's handing him a bear and she's like, but I want it, Jesus, I don't want to give you the bear. And it says, trust me, he has a big giant bear behind his back. Back. So for us, we want to hold on to what we have. And, like, we're so nervous to, like, we can't see the plan that he has. That's so much bigger for us. Right.

[Kyler Fisher]

Actually, Madison actually had tested for networks for a TV show or whatever, and. And she was them. That basically means that they, like, want you, but you have to, like, actually film an episode with the.

[Madison Fisher]

Then they send it to the network and stuff.

[Kyler Fisher]

So I think you were either pregnant or you just got pregnant, literally. Right. You found out right then. I can't remember exactly, but I just remember being like, this was your whole life and this is where we come to. And now you're having a baby. And then our whole life just fell into place.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And is it like. I'm guessing at this point, you know, you're. You're done. Like, have you had a vasectomy? Is that.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah, I have. Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Matt]

How was that?

[Kyler Fisher]

It was like.

[Madison Fisher]

Does it stress over three minutes cut or does it. What does it feel like?

[Kyler Fisher]

I mean, I had laughing gas, so I don't really remember. I just remember. Just.

[Madison Fisher]

That makes me crazy. Did you go, no, he just came home. You didn't go?

[Kyler Fisher]

You're just like, no, it's not like that. It's literally a three minute procedure.

[Madison Fisher]

It's quite.

[Abby]

So you think the guys that are whining about it, they're just.

[Kyler Fisher]

They're just putting on a show.

[Abby]

You've seen your wife have five babies.

[Kyler Fisher]

You're like, I thought about that when I was in the middle of that. I was like. I was like, no, I just.

[Matt]

Are just taking like, big scissors and you're like, no, it's not like that.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, they cut off the whole thing.

[Matt]

Oh, wow.

[Madison Fisher]

He doesn't have those parts anymore.

[Matt]

Oh, okay.

[Kyler Fisher]

It's just like a little puncture.

[Abby]

The Birds and the beast.

[Kyler Fisher]

It's just a puncture. I think that's all it is. And then I don't even like to think about it because you get a little shiver.

[Matt]

They just stabbed the sack is what you're talking about. Wait.

[Madison Fisher]

I also want to just put a

[Abby]

quick caveat on there. Like, like talking about, like, the, like our identity as moms and like, that, like, making it feel. I just want to be very mindful about people that have a difficult journey to parenthood or like, that's something that you really, really, really, really want and you feel like you're in that, like, limbo. Like we kind of described feeling before having kids. Like, that just makes I. I mean, it just makes my heart ache for you so much too. And it's not like I don't want to just paint this. This picture that. Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Abby]

So I'm just saying, like, as for people that, like, this is such a big. I just feel like there's a certain type of person, like, that I feel like community with, where I'm like, this was like crazy.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes.

[Abby]

Desire that I, like, felt since I was literally born. Like, I was like, no. Everything kind of has it unlocked new qualities in me that I never thought I had.

[Madison Fisher]

No. I feel for all. Like, there's. There's. I have personal friends who have tried for so many years and cannot get pregnant. And I have such a soft place in my heart for all of them. And it's not easy. Like, I feel so blessed that I was able to have kids so easily. That could have been a completely different story for me. But I also, like, it's so important for us also to remember what our story is and to share our story. Right. Regardless of, you know, someone else is going to have a story that I'll never be able to. That all never do. Right.

[Kyler Fisher]

Of course.

[Madison Fisher]

When I speak.

[Kyler Fisher]

When I speak of it, I speak of it for ourselves and what it was.

[Abby]

Right. Yeah.

[Kyler Fisher]

Everybody's situation is different for sure.

[Abby]

Totally. To circle back to vasectomy, like, the thought of being done gives me some sort of, like, panic.

[Madison Fisher]

I know sometimes I felt that, like, I still think, like, we were joking about it, like, maybe a month ago. We're like, should we just, like, maybe have just one more? But it's always just a joke. I think for me, we kind of know I would have 100 babies. I always say this. I would have begging for 10 more if my lifespan was, like, to 400. And oh, my gosh, we stayed young for a lot of years, but, like, we get older, right? Like, we can only have so many kids. It's not that I'm like, your body

[Kyler Fisher]

can only have so much. Your mental can only handle so much. You get to a point where you're just like, okay, this is good for us.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes. And then also, life is expensive. Like, how do we go on trips or really experience things?

[Matt]

Yeah. How do you guys go on trips?

[Madison Fisher]

We'd hardly ever go on trips.

[Kyler Fisher]

It is one person harder than four.

[Madison Fisher]

We hardly ever go on trips. And, like, we're almost out of it

[Abby]

feels like a lot of person is harder.

[Madison Fisher]

Every seat is filled in our five.

[Kyler Fisher]

Five persons is one harder person.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

Whoa. Five persons is 100 persons.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah. Yeah, it is.

[Madison Fisher]

Whoa. That's good math.

[Matt]

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[Madison Fisher]

I want to get one of those printer vans.

[Matt]

Oh, you want. That's what our next door neighbors are.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah. Every seat is filled.

[Matt]

Our neighbors are LDs and they have a sprinter van.

[Madison Fisher]

They do because they have six kids. Oh, my God.

[Kyler Fisher]

I thought about getting a sprinter van. It's just like you can't park anywhere, you know, I don't like that they

[Matt]

can't park it in the garage.

[Abby]

Parking in la, too.

[Madison Fisher]

I'm calling this.

[Abby]

But yeah, also the thing about with

[Madison Fisher]

a lot of kids though, I think that's kind of. Maybe it's been like a coincidence because there's a lot of LA people that even just have one or two kids.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

Maybe that was a thing back in the day. I always wanted to. Regardless of like my religion, I just wanted a lot, a lot of kids just because my own personality. Because I used to watch the Cheaper by the Dozen movie growing up and I thought it was cool.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

And like I have a friend that's not even LDS and she has more kids than me. So.

[Abby]

Because you come from one, you're one of five.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah. You've four.

[Abby]

Four. Okay. So you guys both were like. Yeah, coming from decently.

[Madison Fisher]

So I don't, I don't really feel like it has to do with religion, but remember I was saying that families are so important in our religion, like the way that we view families. But I don't necessarily think that means you have to have a bunch of kids. Kids.

[Abby]

Okay.

[Madison Fisher]

I just think you having a child teaches you selflessness, teaches you how to push through, you know, and during really hard times, that kind of love that you have for them, you learn only through kind of family units, I guess.

[Kyler Fisher]

How big is your family?

[Abby]

Just me and my brother.

[Kyler Fisher]

Just you and your brother. So what it's kind of like in you to want to have, like, a ton of kids.

[Abby]

I love kids. They're just so.

[Madison Fisher]

And you're such a cute mom.

[Abby]

You're so sweet. No, I just think it's so fun. And I always, like. Like, I love the idea of, like, a big family. Same thing. Like, two brothers. Like, families. Like, kids that had a lot of siblings. Like, I love a busy full. I love chaos, too.

[Madison Fisher]

So it's like, it's fun.

[Abby]

That's. That's fun. I'm like, I. I love doing a

[Madison Fisher]

ton of things like chaos, Matt.

[Matt]

I do. Abby. Something Abby said to me yesterday was when. When you're with our kids, it can be stressful at times, but you're never sad.

[Abby]

You're never sad. Like, I'm like, you can be. You can be pulling your hair out. You can be confused. You can be scattered. You can be, like, all types of things. I'm not saying it's all butterflies and rainbows, but you're never sad and you're never, ever bored.

[Matt]

I just like seeing the world through their point of view. It's really cute.

[Madison Fisher]

I know. They're so pure and they're so in the moment, and they're so forgiving and they're so loving.

[Abby]

I love the way that they, like, experience the world.

[Madison Fisher]

It's real.

[Abby]

It's really refreshing.

[Kyler Fisher]

No one will know what this means when I say this, but, like, Cohen comes in yesterday yelling, mom, mom, come see this. There's a witch in the backyard.

[Madison Fisher]

And I'm just like, no.

[Kyler Fisher]

And it was just Oakley on the swing with the broom running through her legs. He's like. Thinks it's so cool. He had to show Mom. I just thought it was so cool.

[Madison Fisher]

Like, in his mind, like, there was a. Like, she turned into a witch on the swing, you know?

[Abby]

Like, I literally think they see things differently, and it's so special, but I

[Kyler Fisher]

legit thought I could fly. When I was, like, his age.

[Abby]

They tell me they're fine.

[Kyler Fisher]

I would jump off the couch and flap my arms, and I would just.

[Matt]

Just.

[Kyler Fisher]

I really believed that I had that moment.

[Abby]

That was yesterday. Griffin did that, and he fell. We started having him have quiet time, and I hear a huge thud, which I hear every single day. Him by himself in his room, like, a massive thud.

[Madison Fisher]

And.

[Abby]

And he comes. He comes out the door, and he's, like, standing at the banister. He goes, hey, I hurt my elbow. And I was like, what happened? He's like, I was flying. And I was flying. I was like, okay, okay, buddy.

[Matt]

I got my new favorite fly off of lower Surfaces is our two year old. When he wakes up from his nap, he is just like a different person. He's just like, he walks down the stairs so sleepy. He's so, like, so sleepy.

[Abby]

Grumpy.

[Matt]

And if you get. If you get like, get up to, like, in his face. Like, hi, buddy, good to see you. Like, he'll stab you in the face. Like, hit you in the face.

[Madison Fisher]

Kids get so grumpy after their naps. So I have to. When I wake them up from, like a car ride and they're asleep, I. I know that I just have to let them slowly wake up while they're on me. Because if I'm just like, hey, get up, we gotta go. They'll just be so whiny.

[Abby]

No, it's like, really?

[Madison Fisher]

I wouldn't, like, slow wake up. Like, I'll be like, hey, get up. He will come out of his room.

[Abby]

He stands there for a long time just observing what's happening below. And sometimes there's like, chaos happening below. He's like, what happened?

[Madison Fisher]

When?

[Abby]

Like, literally Saturday, he woke up from his nap and there was a whole ton of people at our house because

[Madison Fisher]

we were having a pool party.

[Abby]

There's like, literally 25 people. And he went to bed, There was no one.

[Madison Fisher]

And so he's just like, oh, my gosh.

[Abby]

And all the kids are like, auggie. And he's like, that's so. They don't hide it. They don't hide it. And I love it, but that's beside the point. I'll go.

[Madison Fisher]

I love seeing you as a mom, though.

[Abby]

Thank you so much. But I think about that a lot. I literally remember where I read that text.

[Madison Fisher]

That was cute.

[Abby]

I was in the parking lot of our CrossFit gym and I was like, matt, she. Madison says, this is the solution. Just do it.

[Madison Fisher]

And I probably just like, I. I love when people like seeing people. Like, I have kids. I don't know. It's cute.

[Abby]

Same. Okay, I'm ready for the game. Matt, you ready for the game?

[Matt]

Let's play a little game.

[Abby]

This is quick. Sorry we've been taking so much of your time.

[Matt]

This is cool. Who's more likely? And so you guys will be telling us who is more likely to do the thing.

[Kyler Fisher]

I like it.

[Abby]

Who's more likely to say we're not doing screens today and then hand over the iPad 10 minutes later?

[Madison Fisher]

Probably me, because I'm more like, like, in my head about everything. Like, I'd be like, should we not do screens? Oh, maybe it's fine. Maybe we shouldn't do screens today. Maybe it's fine.

[Kyler Fisher]

Nope, no screens. Get off. Go outside.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah. And he sticks to it.

[Kyler Fisher]

Go outside, go play. Go throw the ball around. Go down the street.

[Matt]

And with five kids, it must be easy for them just to, like, play. Like, they just do, like, a.

[Abby]

Plenty of entertainment right now in the

[Matt]

backyard every day, probably.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You stick to the things you say more. Like, sometimes I'll be like, if you guys. If you guys don't stop, then you're all going to bed early today, tonight or something. And then they won't stop. Like, okay, well, you going to bed early, and then it'll be, like, super late, and they're still up. Like, I'm like, really bad.

[Abby]

That's easy to do. That's actually shockingly easy to do. And I think we're just now, like, learning that, like, those empty threats, you're like, yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

And that.

[Abby]

Or I hate when I'm like, I have to follow through. And I really. This makes my life so much more difficult.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes. Yeah.

[Abby]

Who's more likely to accidentally post something than immediately regret it?

[Madison Fisher]

Me again. I'm so in my head about everything.

[Abby]

Overthinker.

[Madison Fisher]

I'll post it. I overthink. Yeah. I. I just met with, like, an energy healer a few weeks ago, and she's, like a psychologist person, and she's like, you gotta get out of your head. You are so in your head. I know. I overthink everything all night. My thoughts are racing.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yesterday. Yesterday I did it. We did a giveaway for rhythms, right? And we asked people to do certain things in order to be entered into the giveaway, right? So I did this. This video where I said, all right, guys, we need you to do what you need to do or whatever. And she goes, why would you say that?

[Madison Fisher]

Why would you say that?

[Matt]

Do what you need to do.

[Kyler Fisher]

That doesn't sound nice. I'm like. And so I deleted the whole thing. Because it's like, if it's gonna.

[Matt]

Was it posted already?

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah, I posted already.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, I make him delete some stuff too.

[Matt]

Oops. Wait, who wears the pants in this relationship?

[Madison Fisher]

We're equal.

[Matt]

Share the pants.

[Kyler Fisher]

We share them.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah. We both. We both, like, have our opinions, and sometimes I don't expect him to have to. He didn't have to delete it, even after you delete it. I was like, no, it's fine. You can leave it up. I just wanted to express. I didn't tell him to delete it. He deleted it because of what I said. He goes, that's it, I'm deleting it. I was like, no, you don't need to. I just was telling you that there's a nicer.

[Kyler Fisher]

In other words, delete it. It's fine. I'm good with it.

[Matt]

I've had.

[Kyler Fisher]

I'd rather have you not be like, I don't want you spiraling all night or something.

[Matt]

Every time we meet an old married couple, they essentially all tell us the same thing, or at least the old guy does, which is happy wife, happy life. Like, without saying that, they. They essentially say that. And I just think it's so funny. It's like 100%.

[Kyler Fisher]

When Madison is happy, like, our whole world spins. When she's upset, it just like stops. We're all just like, oopsies. Angry kids are upset. You can tell their difference. When Madison's happy, everything goes swell.

[Abby]

Wait, how long have you. You guys been married? A while?

[Kyler Fisher]

13 years last week.

[Madison Fisher]

We've been together for 6, 16 years.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yep.

[Abby]

See, that's so impressive because you're so young and you're like, we've been together for a long time.

[Madison Fisher]

He's like, basically only person I've really been with because I met him when I was like 18.

[Matt]

Goodness.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah. You guys have been basically the only people together.

[Matt]

We met in middle school. We started dating at 17 and 18.

[Madison Fisher]

Wow. I did have a boyfriend before him, but it wasn't. It was like. It was like four month thing. Five month thing.

[Matt]

Yeah, we're selling. We're celebrating a decade here. In a month, we'll be a decade together.

[Abby]

Our first decade.

[Madison Fisher]

Congrats.

[Matt]

Our first decade. Yeah. That's great.

[Abby]

Okay, this next one. Who's more likely to start a project and never finish it?

[Madison Fisher]

You haven't been very good at calling the guy for the handles upstairs.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah, I can say that. Me.

[Madison Fisher]

He turned off my water. My sink too. I mean, technically, I could just call the plumber.

[Kyler Fisher]

There's a little drip, a little gasket went out or whatever. I. I've tried to call this guy like three times, Right.

[Madison Fisher]

But that's ADHD too, so it's hard for me to finish.

[Abby]

That asks, are you guys both more type A or type B?

[Madison Fisher]

Type B for sure.

[Abby]

Both of you.

[Madison Fisher]

Okay, wait. Actually, I met with this organizer.

[Abby]

That's the only way to have five kids.

[Madison Fisher]

She was. She was interviewing me and she's like, really good at this, like, type A, type B stuff. And I was telling her after talking to her for an hour, she actually basically diagnosed me, saying that I am A type A that can't ever. That can't really be the true Type A. Because my life is so go with the flow and unorganized. You've evolved that. It's like I'm like a type. It looks like I'm a type B, but I want to be a type A. I think that's why I'm more particular about things like I want everything to be organized and good, but it's. But I can't ever like get to that.

[Abby]

Your house looks very clean.

[Matt]

Yeah, I really like your house. Love the playset in the backyard.

[Abby]

Wait, I'm also.

[Matt]

So much greenery.

[Abby]

You said an energy healer.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes.

[Abby]

I never heard of that.

[Madison Fisher]

What is that? She. She. She can feel like, you know, like chakras.

[Abby]

I've heard the word.

[Madison Fisher]

So all the different chakras. She can feel like if something things off. Like with your energy, she can pull different things out of you. She's also a psychic and a medium. So she can talk to spirits.

[Matt]

She talks to spirits?

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah. She talked to my grandma who passed. My other great grandma who passed. They came in the room. His dad came in.

[Matt]

Does that freak you out? As I loved it.

[Madison Fisher]

I thought it was so cool.

[Matt]

Like, does the church warn you against talking to a sidekick?

[Madison Fisher]

The church doesn't tell me anything. I'm just my own person. Yeah. That's the thing is like everyone's like, oh, it's such a cult. No, I'm just my own person. 100%. 100. They don't tell me one thing. They don't even know what I'm doing. I'm just my own person.

[Kyler Fisher]

They're definitely some common misconceptions about the control of the church. I think that's one thing that perks

[Matt]

people's interest is actually I just show

[Madison Fisher]

up to church on Sunday and say hi to people.

[Matt]

There's this. There's a whole conspiracy that influencers in the church are paid by the church.

[Kyler Fisher]

That is not.

[Matt]

Is there any. Is there any at all fact to that?

[Madison Fisher]

I mean I. Not that I know of. Who knows. But I don't.

[Kyler Fisher]

I've been influenced for a long time.

[Matt]

I'm pretty sure you've never had.

[Kyler Fisher]

Pretty sure I would never.

[Abby]

The church comes, you guys and be

[Matt]

like, here's some money.

[Abby]

She's been teaching for free every Sunday.

[Madison Fisher]

The three four year olds.

[Matt]

Wow.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Abby]

You're volunteering Sunbeams.

[Matt]

Yeah. I've been volunteering my whole life.

[Madison Fisher]

I did music time before that. I just.

[Kyler Fisher]

That's so there's no paid clergy or no paid position in the church.

[Matt]

No paid.

[Madison Fisher]

And you also can stop doing your calling if you don't want it. You could just be like, this isn't working for me.

[Matt]

But the church also has some, like, investment fund. Right. Like, isn't there, like, a lot of money in it?

[Kyler Fisher]

I don't know the deep business side of the church, but I mean, coming from my opinion, I actually. I actually believe that that would be the smartest way to manage funds. Is. Is putting it in fair and growing it.

[Matt]

You know, I. I hear that. I also, I will say to the church's credit, I have heard that, like, people that are members, if they're, like, struggling financially, that there's like, even.

[Abby]

I know people that get aid for and like, pay their groceries, which is dope.

[Matt]

So, like, if you guys were struggling financially to, like, pay. Yeah. Buy groceries, the church would pay the rent.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah. I think that's what's so great.

[Matt]

And pull from the infrastructure.

[Kyler Fisher]

So strong community. And I think a lot of it is kind of, like, evenly distributed, especially. And I don't. I don't even question it because I don't even care, to be honest. I think some people do care. And that's the stuff you see on the Internet, the people who do care that perk up.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Kyler Fisher]

But I don't. I just don't care because it's. It's always served me to keep an open hand, you know, Open hand to like. Like, we pay 10% of our increase to the church. Right. And we've always. We've never gone without. I just feel like that relationship with, With God and the testimony that I have of the law of tithing.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Kyler Fisher]

Which is something that a lot of other religions practice is just really just. It's, It's. It's being willing to let go and not have this really negative relationship with money.

[Abby]

Who's the fun parent between the two of you?

[Kyler Fisher]

Madison is definitely the fun parent. I. I have my moments. But Madison's so creative.

[Madison Fisher]

He likes to do more that, like the outdoor stuff. Like when we go to the beach, he will go in the water through the waves with them, and he'll play actual. The whole baseball game with them. I will sit on the towel more and do the, like, the sandcastle more. The chill things.

[Abby]

How often are you. I heard the beach. The person that's birthed the children doesn't have to play in the water. That's a rule. And I actually feel like we should start abiding by that.

[Madison Fisher]

I'm really.

[Abby]

I'm Gonna get in the water.

[Madison Fisher]

I'm really good at coming up with like really random things to do. Like we'll, like the kids are like before bed, I'm like, okay, we're gonna play musical books. Like I'll come up with like, I come up with a really random like almost like I'm a child. Like an imaginative play. I do that with them. It's like fun for me.

[Abby]

You're a great mom.

[Madison Fisher]

So I like imaginative plans are great. Mom.

[Abby]

You inspire me. I need to be more imaginative.

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[Abby]

Who's more likely to get recognized in public and secretly love it?

[Madison Fisher]

We kind of get recognized as a family, mostly Madison.

[Kyler Fisher]

There's a. I always say there's a pecking order in this business, you know, but when we are all together as a family, that's when we really, really be like, oh my gosh, that's the fish man.

[Madison Fisher]

But I do feel like when girls come up to us and like, can I take a picture? It's usually when they want to take a picture with me or the kids. Less.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah, no, it's fine.

[Madison Fisher]

Tyler will take it. Of usually. Yeah, but it's. But they sometimes will ask all of us together. Yeah, but I think Kyler's doesn't care as much. He's just like, I'll take it.

[Kyler Fisher]

I definitely don't care.

[Madison Fisher]

But it's. But also to the end of that question, to secretly love it. I don't necessarily secretly love it. I do think it's really cute that

[Kyler Fisher]

they secretly loved it in the beginning because it was like. It was like a. It was like a. What's the word?

[Abby]

Like, a validation.

[Kyler Fisher]

A validation for your work. It's like, wow, this is super cool. Like, I remember the first time it happened.

[Matt]

Right.

[Kyler Fisher]

The first time it happened was like, when the girls were just born and showed up, and the field, two school buses full of kids got off and they all ran to us, and we were like, wow.

[Madison Fisher]

We're like, whoa. Okay. They're like, we love your channel. And, like, it's cute. Like, they sat there and they watch our channel enough to, like. Like, all know about our channel. And then they want to take a photo. Like, it was cute.

[Kyler Fisher]

The girls became, like, super, super famous super fast because of all the videos that we did with, like, Jake and Logan and David do.

[Madison Fisher]

There's no babies. Like, they're all these, like, adult people making videos all together. Right. And then all of a sudden, like, the babies are there sometimes in the background or, like, with them, or they'd wear them on. They strap them to, like, their chest, or we'd be playing with them. And so it's just, like, the only children out of all these adults there. Yeah. So they're very recognizable.

[Kyler Fisher]

It was a fun time.

[Matt]

That's a crazy time to think about.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Was that like 20.

[Madison Fisher]

That was like 20 team 10 days.

[Kyler Fisher]

2017. Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

Did you guys ever watch the team 10 stuff, like Jake, Paul stuff?

[Matt]

Not until I watched, like, a documentary about it afterward.

[Madison Fisher]

I wonder if there's a documentary.

[Abby]

Yeah, it was the one with Shane Dawson.

[Madison Fisher]

Right.

[Matt]

I watched Shane.

[Madison Fisher]

It was cool. It was like, a smart idea. It's basically like, you create a group. Group of people that are constantly collaborating with each other, and you're all part of this team together, and you all make content together. Yes. It was like, the beginning. It was like, even before a hype house. It was like he came up with this idea, and it was very smart. I think that's cool. Totally.

[Abby]

Who's more likely to hold on to something from five years ago?

[Madison Fisher]

Tyler.

[Kyler Fisher]

Right at me.

[Abby]

There's someone that, like, wants to throw. Someone that wants to hang out.

[Madison Fisher]

Maybe it's neither of us. I get over everything really fast.

[Abby]

Fast.

[Madison Fisher]

I can get over anything that happens within an hour.

[Matt]

It's really cool, too, because I. I feel like with Abby and I, we'll have, like, A disagreement. And then the next day, I forgot what it was. And then. And then. And then she doesn't. And then I'm like, oh, frick.

[Kyler Fisher]

I. I definitely get over stuff, too, especially with our marriage. I think that's why I feel like

[Abby]

your marriage is different. This is. You're taking this a different.

[Madison Fisher]

With other.

[Matt]

With other people.

[Kyler Fisher]

People. Sometimes I believe they deserve to pay.

[Madison Fisher]

You know, I get over these other people, too.

[Kyler Fisher]

I want them to pay for their mistake, you know? But for my wife, I don't really care. Like, I love her, you know?

[Abby]

You got it. You got to move on quick.

[Madison Fisher]

Everything.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah, but some people.

[Madison Fisher]

No. Love heals everything.

[Abby]

Okay, that one got kind of carried into the marriage space, so this one leads more naturally. Who's more likely to apologize first after a fight?

[Madison Fisher]

Me.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

I always send I'm sorry after, like, five minutes.

[Kyler Fisher]

She's good at it. Yeah, you're good.

[Madison Fisher]

If he's not here, how long does

[Matt]

it take Kyler to say I'm sorry?

[Madison Fisher]

Maybe an hour after that.

[Abby]

That's a quick turnaround in the girl.

[Madison Fisher]

Keep kind of poking my head around. Be like, like, I'm sorry, are you still mad at me? He's like, madison, like, I don't know. I'm just thinking about it. And then, like, five minutes later, like, so are you still mad, or can we. Good.

[Abby]

Who's more likely to say, wait, we should film this in the middle of a real life moment?

[Madison Fisher]

Gosh, we're both pretty bad at that.

[Kyler Fisher]

We used to be like that a long time ago.

[Matt]

But I don't think it programmed into your brain just to, like, film everything.

[Madison Fisher]

We just always had the vlog camera out. Now that vlog camera collects dust over there on the chair. I don't even know if there's even batteries anymore.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah, filming the show.

[Matt]

Are you even vlogging anything right now, or. No, you're just filming the tv.

[Madison Fisher]

We keep saying every week will be at one. At some point during the week, we're like, we should start vlogging it again, but then we just never do.

[Matt]

So then what do you do? You create content.

[Madison Fisher]

We do in the moment. So stories, Instagram stories. A lot of stories. And if it's a cute. If it's cute enough moment. That's long. More than, like, five seconds. That actually seems good enough for a real. Then I'll post it as a reel. Yeah, but that's about it.

[Abby]

What's keeping you from, like, doing it?

[Madison Fisher]

You don't know, or, I think overwhelmed I feel right now. I'M doing a lot of affiliate stuff. So I make 20 or 30 pieces of content a week for different affiliate brands. And then they put ucg. Like they use it as ucg. Right. Like they put money behind it. So I'm not posting it. But I give them footage every day.

[Kyler Fisher]

So I feel like film for like two hours.

[Madison Fisher]

Bulk film. Yeah. And then we just posted on these dropboxes and then they pay us percentages. So that's where. That's what I. So, yes, I'm still trying to film in the moment stuff, but I'm finding that I'm making more money doing these

[Kyler Fisher]

other avenues, doing less brand deals.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Kyler Fisher]

See, so you're interesting front facing.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah. So I feel like that's what I do when the kids are at school mostly or those kinds of videos. Yeah.

[Abby]

Interesting.

[Matt]

And are you guys going. You mentioned the beach. Do you guys go to the beach like every week? How often?

[Madison Fisher]

We try to go every week. Yeah.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

I just love it so much. That's awesome about the beach.

[Matt]

To live by the beach is great. I love. I love surfing. Do you guys surf? You guys take the kids out?

[Kyler Fisher]

You know, I don't surf as much.

[Madison Fisher]

I signed up the girls for surf camp this summer so they're going to go out with. With the surfing teacher and got some wetsuits.

[Kyler Fisher]

Remember that time we went on that

[Matt]

trip together and I got knocked out? I got knocked out.

[Madison Fisher]

I don't know how to surf everywhere.

[Kyler Fisher]

That board hit you so hard, dude.

[Matt]

You know, I never posted the video I need to post. I still need to share that. Like, nobody, my audience has no idea

[Abby]

that I got a concussion er in Nicaragua.

[Madison Fisher]

I actually did not know this.

[Matt]

Concussion surfing in Nicaragua. The board busted his lip. The wave got actually like pretty big that day.

[Kyler Fisher]

And pretty sure I have a video of you right as you got out of the water.

[Abby]

Really glad

[Matt]

my teeth were loose. My lip was swollen. Like my almost. My teeth almost went through my lip.

[Madison Fisher]

Wow.

[Matt]

But yeah, the fiberglass board just smacked me in the face so hard.

[Madison Fisher]

That's so sad.

[Abby]

No, what show that Matt just FaceTimed me like that.

[Matt]

Did you text me that? That's so funny.

[Madison Fisher]

That's crazy. And you just saw that and you probably just. What happened?

[Abby]

I was like, I know. I was at a friend's house and

[Madison Fisher]

I was like, so that's why I don't do surfing. So I don't do like extreme sports things I get hurt doing.

[Matt]

I got screwed.

[Madison Fisher]

I'm very like, careful.

[Matt]

Yeah, that was painful.

[Abby]

That Matt was messed up for A long time. Well, I got it.

[Kyler Fisher]

That's like trying to be a freaking. Just. He's going out on a wave that's like next to Pipeline.

[Matt]

I'm going.

[Abby]

My boys have. When I was DNA, I'm scared.

[Kyler Fisher]

I think I talked about this when I was like a lot younger. I used to go out to Venice on days it was like 8 to 12 and I was like, like brand new surfer and I would go out there.

[Abby]

Eight to 12?

[Kyler Fisher]

Yes. Big, big, big day.

[Matt]

Just get absolutely obliterated. Oh, yeah.

[Abby]

Who is more likely to quit social media first?

[Madison Fisher]

Me. Madison, I've had this conversation with him like 20 times.

[Matt]

You're like, I'm done. Yeah, I'm throwing in the towel.

[Kyler Fisher]

I. I would actually kind of be down, to be honest with you, but it is just our life.

[Matt]

How would you pay your bills?

[Kyler Fisher]

I would just jump back into like business, more focused business stuff probably.

[Madison Fisher]

But I actually.

[Kyler Fisher]

Products.

[Madison Fisher]

I genuinely actually really do like social media. But when I'm having once a month a PMS thing, I go very extremes in my thoughts.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Okay, that makes sense.

[Madison Fisher]

And I'll be like, I'm not.

[Abby]

Yeah, it's very self aware of you.

[Madison Fisher]

Yes. Yeah, I do. I'll go like, all of a sudden I'm just like this whole different person that's like, I'm not doing this. This. I don't like this. And then all of a sudden the next week I'm like, I love this. Can we do more interviews? Can we do more videos? So I don't know, am I bipolar? No.

[Abby]

That actually freaks me out because I don't know why. I think like, when I'm done having kids, I forget that you still have to deal with the period.

[Kyler Fisher]

Social media just is not as exciting as it used to be. It's just not. It was so fun back then. There was like a fantasy behind, behind becoming. And now it's like, I hate to say it, but everybody is famous or something. You could be. I always say you could be famous for sucking your thumb tomorrow.

[Matt]

Well, I think, I think it's really fun in the moment when your content is getting seen and it's exploding. Like. Yeah. If you're in the growth stage, any growth stage of anything is so cool.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Because like you said, you, you even, you even mentioned how it was fun when that, you know, the two school buses of kids came up and said hi to you guys.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, it was different. Yeah.

[Matt]

I feel recognized and, and you know, I know for us, you know, back in 2020, when that first started Happening. I was just like, this is my dream come true. It was like.

[Kyler Fisher]

I don't think I've ever seen anybody blow up faster than you guys, though.

[Matt]

Really? Never. You're kidding.

[Kyler Fisher]

I've never. I don't think I've ever seen anybody. Well, except for Jake Paul. Like, you guys grew faster than anybody else. The ones I've ever seen, I don't think anybody's done as much. Okay, maybe the Royalty family was a lot like you guys too, but they also had been doing skits for a long time.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Kyler Fisher]

But there are very few people that have grown or have. Have. I don't think I've ever.

[Madison Fisher]

We grew pretty fast in 2015. Wait. Right. The first two years of doing it, and then I feel like it kind of steadied out.

[Kyler Fisher]

17, 18, and 19 was our growth years. And then.

[Madison Fisher]

And then after 19, you guys did a really good job with all your stuff, and it's been different. So I think what probably helps is, like, you. You started off maybe doing stuff with just the two of you, and then you started doing, you know, YouTube and then podcasts. Right. So you change it up for us. What's kept us going is changing it up every once in a while. You know, I couldn't just do vlogs forever. I think this show is making me more excited again to do social media change. Just change, like, just different things. I don't like to do the same thing for so long.

[Matt]

I agree. It's boring. Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah. So for me, if you were to ask right now if I want to quit, I would say no, because I'm excited to see where the show's going. Like, I'm excited to go on this trip right now and get to know these girls, and I'm excited for you guys. It's just. It's just. Just fun. I don't know.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

Something different.

[Abby]

Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

I like to challenge myself and try

[Abby]

new things, and I feel like it's. If it seems like this show is more focused on the moms, like, it's maybe, like, a individual venture for the first time in, like, a decent amount.

[Kyler Fisher]

And also, no. No kids, to be honest. It's really cool because our kids have always been a big part of our story.

[Madison Fisher]

Right.

[Matt]

Any final, like, Mormon fun facts? Oh, have you guys ever tried coffee ever?

[Abby]

Oh, I thought you were gonna ask.

[Matt]

A sip of coffee?

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah.

[Matt]

What was it like? What was your experience?

[Madison Fisher]

I think coffee tastes good. That's great.

[Matt]

Do you like the taste?

[Madison Fisher]

I don't need to drink it, though. Like, I have my Other drinks that I do, you know.

[Kyler Fisher]

Do you know what the word of wisdom is all about? Just kind of like addictive substances. It's like, I watch the truth. Like, it's the truth. It's the same thing with energy drinks.

[Abby]

Anything.

[Kyler Fisher]

It hasn't been listed as like an energy drink. Hasn't been listed as something that's against the world wisdom, but it is.

[Matt]

Do you think Brigham Young would be okay with Red Bull if he was around?

[Madison Fisher]

Probably not.

[Matt]

Do you guys. Do you guys drink Red Bull? Like, do you guys. Are you guys energy drink Red Bull every single day?

[Madison Fisher]

I think it was a way for somebody back drop. I think it was a way for back in the day somebody to put out something about 20 Red Bulls, right? How to take care of your body. Like don't do tobacco.

[Matt]

Actually, I would. Dude, I. I'm so tired. I've been like, I feel bad. I've been yawning. Like, I. I did not sleep much last night.

[Madison Fisher]

I think it's about moderation.

[Matt]

The mic is in front of Abby's face.

[Kyler Fisher]

That's so fine.

[Abby]

That's the best shot of me that

[Matt]

we've had this episode. Was. Was trying coffee like a one time thing or was that something that.

[Madison Fisher]

No, when I was. I used to get like frappuccinos and stuff, like mocha frappuccinos and what?

[Matt]

Like, was your family freaking out? Like, you're breaking the word of wisdom?

[Madison Fisher]

No.

[Matt]

Really?

[Madison Fisher]

No. Because I feel like, thanks, homie. Yeah, I'm like, I wasn't like trying to be like super addicted to anything, you know?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah.

[Kyler Fisher]

I'm ready to be addicted to something. To be honest. I actually have an addiction.

[Madison Fisher]

I don't tell my kids, like, oh, it's bad to drink coffee. You know, I don't think that's my. None of my siblings, like, some of my siblings aren't LDs and they drink coffee and my brothers and my. All of my friends. So like, I. It's not bad to drink coffee for me. I just think, think I don't need to drink it. I'm fine without it. So why even I don't know.

[Kyler Fisher]

I love that we're ending the episode on this coffee.

[Madison Fisher]

I think energy drinks, in my opinion, if you had one ask me, I think energy drinks are way worse.

[Kyler Fisher]

This is way worse for you than coffee.

[Matt]

This is breaking the word of wisdom, everyone.

[Madison Fisher]

I think.

[Abby]

Do you do the like Mormon soda thing?

[Madison Fisher]

No, I don't like sodas.

[Kyler Fisher]

The whole swig thing. Oh, I'm down.

[Madison Fisher]

I just drink water.

[Abby]

There's Swig in our.

[Madison Fisher]

I fill up my drink with water.

[Abby]

I thought you didn't drink water.

[Madison Fisher]

Well, that's what I drink if I'm drinking. Drinking something.

[Abby]

You just don't drink anything.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, I don't drink stuff.

[Kyler Fisher]

These are literally so bad for you.

[Matt]

Actually, yeah, I was gonna say. I was like. I was hoping it was a sugar free one.

[Madison Fisher]

I will drink the energy.

[Kyler Fisher]

Sugar free is worse for you.

[Matt]

I do drink 50 of the daily sugar.

[Madison Fisher]

Like, if I'm feeling tired, that's okay. I'll drink my trim fit or an energy drink.

[Matt]

I'll go Cheers.

[Madison Fisher]

But I don't really, like, go out and get drinks. Really?

[Abby]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know what time of day that's gonna fit in my schedule to go get a drink.

[Madison Fisher]

Yeah, so I don't do the Mormon soda stuff either.

[Kyler Fisher]

You guys should get like. Like, energy drinks that match your little color here.

[Matt]

That would be sick.

[Kyler Fisher]

Actually, I was thinking how cool it is.

[Matt]

Genius.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah. Unplanned.

[Madison Fisher]

Do you guys do, like, little sponsored things, like where you have, like, a little commercial in the center right now?

[Matt]

Yeah, probably.

[Abby]

I wasn't aware that we had that rule.

[Matt]

Well, we don't. We don't have, like, actual rules, but

[Abby]

we don't have rules.

[Madison Fisher]

We'll drink whatever you guys feel like. Kind of like how we are. We're just.

[Abby]

Yeah, right?

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Abby]

Well, you guys sponsors? No, I'm just kidding.

[Matt]

This.

[Madison Fisher]

This.

[Matt]

This has been such a fun conversation. I'm. I know. Abby and I are so excited to watch Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, Orange County.

[Abby]

Can I say if I watch, it will be the first episode of Secret Lives I've ever seen.

[Madison Fisher]

Oh, that's it for you. Nope, that's okay. No, you don't. Not everyone in the world does that.

[Abby]

Watch everything.

[Madison Fisher]

I don't watch a lot of reality shows.

[Kyler Fisher]

Our show is not gonna do that good.

[Madison Fisher]

No, it's.

[Abby]

No, I watched yours.

[Madison Fisher]

Did you want to know something about me? I've never watched. Watch the Kardashians.

[Kyler Fisher]

Really Never seen it.

[Matt]

I think I've watched half of an episode.

[Madison Fisher]

I don't even know what some of the. Who they're married to or their kids.

[Abby]

No, I get confused as well. Here's my real thing. Reality tv. And me, I just watch. We just watch things together and neither one of us is, like, really plugging for it, so we just watch, like, Breaking Bad.

[Madison Fisher]

Oh, we love Game of Thrones. Yes. We love the. Yeah, we've watched all those.

[Abby]

Yeah, we like more action stuff.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah, we like people Hey, I will.

[Abby]

I will commit myself to episode one because I'm so curious.

[Madison Fisher]

Even if you didn't, it doesn't matter.

[Abby]

I will watch episode one with you and or along because I know at the same time as you, we can

[Madison Fisher]

do a watch party together.

[Matt]

Kyler and I both have to pee really bad. But make sure to watch their show. Go check out their social medias. Their Kyler, Steven Fisher, Madison Fisher, the

[Kyler Fisher]

fish fam, whatever fam.

[Matt]

Wherever you want to follow them. YouTube, Instagram and Kyler. Your app is called Rhythms. Rhythms.

[Kyler Fisher]

Yeah.

[Matt]

You want to go download Rhythms? That's the way you can support Kyler and Madison. But guys, thank you so much for coming on the show.

[Madison Fisher]

Thanks, man.

[Matt]

I'm doing this again after the show airs. I'm excited to take a look.

[Madison Fisher]

Thank you.

[Matt]

Yeah, this is you.

[Madison Fisher]

The best. I'm happy to be on your podcast. I love you guys.

[Matt]

Yeah, this has been fun.

[Kyler Fisher]

We're gonna come back. Please, once the show airs. We're coming back.

[Abby]

We'll hold you to it.

[Madison Fisher]

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[Kyler Fisher]

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[Matt]

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[Kyler Fisher]

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