Tay Lautner: My 1st trimester, body image, & protecting my baby from the public eye

Summary

The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby

Episode: Tay Lautner: My Surprise Pregnancy & Body Image Issues
Date: June 17, 2026
Guest: Tay Lautner
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Overview

In this heartfelt and authentic conversation, Matt and Abby welcome Tay Lautner (née Dome)—mental health advocate, nurse, founder of the Lemons Foundation, co-host of The Squeeze podcast, and wife of actor Taylor Lautner. Tay opens up about her surprise pregnancy, the realities of body image during pregnancy, navigating public attention and privacy, and her hopes and plans for motherhood. The discussion is funny, candid, and deeply relatable, especially for anyone journeying into parenthood or managing life in the public eye.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Pregnancy Realities & Surprises

• Tay’s Pregnancy Was Unexpected

  • Tay reveals her pregnancy came as a real surprise due to her PCOS and irregular cycles ([11:24]).
  • Her first sign: “I had a scare … ended up not being a pregnancy, but after that, I woke up the next morning … and I was sad I wasn’t pregnant. And I was like, oh, okay, now I know I’m ready.” ([10:28])
  • She felt grateful not to have to overthink “when” to try; it just happened naturally.

• First Trimester Was Tough

  • Tay candidly describes the emotional and physical toll: fatigue, severe nausea, rapid weight gain, overwhelming symptoms ([14:40]):
    • “Pregnancy is propaganda. None of this is fun.” ([02:07], [33:41])
    • Struggled with emetophobia (fear of vomiting), so she coped with nausea by eating, especially carbs ([07:27]).
  • Relied heavily on a supportive circle of friends, some of whom were also pregnant ([15:10]).

• Body Image Challenges

  • For the first time, Tay struggled with her body image:
    • “I’ve never questioned someone’s body while they’re pregnant … then I got pregnant and then I didn’t have any of those thoughts.” ([33:41])
  • Sharing about these feelings on The Squeeze led to an outpouring of support from other women ([35:32]):
    • “That was the first time I really struggled with my body image and comparison, to some degree.” ([33:41])

2. Public Scrutiny & Privacy

• Managing the Public Eye

  • Tay and Taylor’s wedding privacy was invaded by paparazzi using long-lens cameras ([08:22]).
  • Everyday life: photos are often taken by strangers in public ([08:22], [08:33]).
  • On sharing about pregnancy: “Every time I open my mouth, an article pops up. It’s made me want to really protect my pregnancy and everything around it.” ([29:24])
  • On sharing kids’ images: leans toward keeping her child offline but recognizes the decision may evolve ([40:31]).

• Name Pronunciation Saga

  • Humorous discussion about the endless confusion around pronouncing “Lautner” ([03:04–04:26]).
    • “People will … say it incorrectly forever, but my husband has never corrected anyone until like a couple years ago.” ([03:10])

3. Navigating Medical and Emotional Unknowns

• PCOS & Tracking

  • Tay’s PCOS diagnosis came after quitting birth control; tracking cycles was challenging ([12:46]).
  • Relies on wearable tech (Oura Ring) to track ovulation now ([11:57]).

• Pregnancy & Nursing Background

  • Although Tay is a nurse, she didn’t work much with maternity cases ([22:57]).
  • Witnessing a birth as a student was so intense it initially put her off the idea of giving birth herself ([23:49]).

• Preparation & Expectations

  • Registry and baby gear options feel overwhelming, but community advice points to “don’t overbuy” ([26:10]).
  • Second trimester brings “feeling like a human again” after rough symptoms ([38:45]).
  • Open-minded about labor, delivery, and especially feeding—flexibility over rigid plans ([46:32], [56:05]):
    • “However the baby gets fed, I’m like, yeah, great.” ([46:52])

4. Mental Health Advocacy

• Lemons Foundation & The Squeeze

  • Mission: make mental health accessible, approachable, and digestible through support and practical resources ([64:04]):
    • “There’s a lot of beauty in the little things—breathing techniques, gratitude … just little things to incorporate in your day.” ([64:04])
  • Highlights partnerships and programs, especially for Mental Health Awareness Month ([63:02], [63:33], [64:04]).
  • NAMI and Project Healthy Minds are other resources she admires ([65:47]).

• Sharing the Struggle

  • Tay discusses how opening up about her struggles has helped her and others feel less alone ([35:32]).
  • She emphasizes the importance of real talk about body image, mental health, and motherhood ([38:02]).

5. Family, Support, and Parenting Plans

• Parental Reactions

  • Her parents, especially her dad, were “over the moon” to hear she’s expecting their first grandchild; they’ve been eager but never pressured her ([16:40], [17:49]).

• Anticipating Future Pregnancies

  • Although pregnancy is tough, she wants more than one child as she was an only child (“I wanted a friend,” [50:28]).

• Dogs and Baby

  • Jokes that her beloved dogs will remain an important part of the family—they won’t be neglected once the baby arrives ([55:02]).

6. Mom Life, Lifestyle & Miscellaneous Fun

• Mom Identity: Type A vs. Type B

  • Tay thinks she’ll be a type A/pinterest mom—but is open to whatever feels right ([57:28]).
  • On routines: plans to schedule date nights and support sleep training ([69:58], [70:48]).

• Life in the Spotlight

  • Despite perceptions, Tay insists her life isn’t “Hollywood” glamour but is often mundane, with chores and day-to-day routines ([59:33]).
  • Chipotle brand deal: playful social media moments; personal favorite order is a salad bowl for the vinaigrette ([61:17], [61:52]).

• Future as a Family

  • Plans to keep her child’s life mostly private, acknowledging shifting norms in media child privacy ([41:31]).
  • Open to exposing kids to the arts but not pushing them into showbiz ([48:34]).
  • Enjoys life in Southern California but "never say never" about moving ([49:27]).

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Pregnancy Realness:
  • “Pregnancy is propaganda. Like, none of this is fun.” (Tay, [02:07], [33:41])
• On Body Image:
  • “Then I got pregnant and I didn’t have any of those thoughts.” (Tay, [02:07], [33:41])
• On Privacy & Fame:
  • "That was the first time it really felt like an invasion of privacy for me." (Tay, recalling her paparazzi wedding ordeal, [02:24], [08:22])
• On Motherhood Approach:
  • “I’m really going into it open minded about the breastfeeding. … However the baby gets fed, I’m like, yeah, great.” (Tay, [46:52])
• On Parenting Identity:
  • “I think I’m definitely going to be a type A mom. … That’s just my personality.” (Tay, [57:35])
• On Public Perception:
  • “I live like literally such a normal life. … I do my dishes, I do my laundry.” (Tay, [59:33])
• On Supporting Other Women:
  • “After sharing that, women messaging me about that. … I felt so validated.” (Tay, [35:32])
• On Learning in the Moment:
  • “Learn as you go.” (Tay, [29:06])

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Notable Segment Timestamps

• [02:07] Tay’s view on pregnancy (“Pregnancy is propaganda…”)
• [07:27] Managing first trimester symptoms and privacy
• [14:40] Description of first trimester struggles, body image
• [16:40] Parents’ reactions to pregnancy news
• [29:24] Deciding what to share publicly vs. keeping private
• [33:41] In-depth conversation on body image during pregnancy
• [38:45] Transition to second trimester, feeling better
• [40:31] Navigating privacy for her child in the public eye
• [46:32] Open-minded approach to feeding, birth, and postpartum
• [57:28] Discussion about Type A/Type B mom identity
• [61:17] Chipotle partnership anecdote, day-to-day life reality check
• [63:02] Mental health advocacy and Lemons Foundation mission
• [67:45] Light-hearted “This or That” rapid-fire game on pregnancy and mom life

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Flow, Language, and Tone

The conversation is refreshingly honest, light-hearted, and at times deeply vulnerable. Matt and Abby encourage Tay to share both her wins and worries, creating an open space that resonates with anyone who has felt overwhelmed by change, expectation, or scrutiny. Tay’s down-to-earth humor, willingness to admit uncertainty, and commitment to community and mental health define the episode’s tone.

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Takeaways

• Pregnancy is not always the glowing experience social media portrays; struggles with body image and identity are real and valid.
• Navigating the intersection of public and private life as a mom requires intentional boundaries, self-awareness, and adaptability.
• Open dialogue and sharing real experiences help combat isolation—especially among pregnant women, mothers, and anyone facing “unplanned” life events.
• Mental health matters at every life stage, and having accessible, practical resources makes a difference.
• It's okay to abandon rigid plans for parenthood and work, embracing “learn as you go” and open-minded approaches.

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For more:
Check out Tay’s mental health podcast [The Squeeze], the Lemons Foundation, and follow her and the Howards on social media for continued insights into real-life pregnancy, motherhood, and mental health journeys.

Transcript

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[Tay]

Pregnancy is propaganda. Like none of this is fun. I really struggled with my body image. I'm like oh my gosh, look at their belly. Like that's so amazing. Then I got pregnant and then I Didn't have any of those thoughts.

[Matt]

You've probably heard of Tay through her marriage to actor Taylor Lautner, who famously played Jacob in the Twilight series.

[Tay]

There was someone that had a really long lens camera and like, took photos of her first look. That was the first time it really felt like an invasion of privacy for me.

[Matt]

Tay has become a leading voice in the mental health space, launching the Lemons foundation and co hosting the Squeeze podcast where she and Taylor have honest conversations, conversations about relationships, anxiety and personal growth.

[Tay]

The Internet is such a scary place to have kids. If we go out, someone's gonna take like a photo of our baby. There's just like so many little thoughts like that.

[Matt]

We talked with Tay about getting pregnant by surprise, navigating body image changes and protecting her future child's privacy, all on today's episode. Tay Lautner, welcome back to the unplanned podcast.

[Tay]

Thanks.

[Matt]

It's an honor.

[Tay]

So fun.

[Matt]

We're gonna give you a brief applause. Are people still mispronouncing your last name?

[Tay]

I. I don't really care how it is said or done. I'm really, I'm indifferent because, yeah, people will, I think, just say it like incorrectly for forever, but my husband has never corrected anyone until like a couple years ago. So, yeah, it still happens. But I, I really don't.

[Abby]

I really don't care about it. That was like groundbreaking news.

[Matt]

No, it was.

[Tay]

I know.

[Matt]

I feel like every news outlet covered that. I think when Taylor went on call her daddy, that was like a really big thing. Again, all the news was like, we're pronouncing Taylor's name wrong. Red alert. Everybody needs to know.

[Abby]

Actually never concerned.

[Tay]

And yeah, he literally, like, didn't care. He's also like, I think this is so nice and is just like non confrontational with that because he's like, not going to want to, like, correct someone because you could say it how it technically, like, you could say either way, like, pronunciation wise. So, yeah, I know people. My favorite is when people come up and they say Lautner and they're like, I know that's not how you say it, but I can't remember how to say it correctly. I'm like, it's. It's totally fine.

[Matt]

Oh, people actually say that?

[Tay]

Oh, yeah, no, some people have like clocked in, been like, wait, no, that's not right. But I know I can't remember what it is. I'm like, it's totally fine.

[Matt]

I'm not gonna lie. Even now, like, even saying your name, I'm like, I need to, like, really think through this because it just. It. Yeah, it's.

[Tay]

It doesn't. I think Lautner, just because, like, we've said. I mean, I. That's what I used to call Taylor also. So, like, I think it just rolls off the tongue easier because we. That's all we know.

[Matt]

When did you find out that you were pronouncing your own last name?

[Abby]

I know.

[Tay]

I think when I. When I met his sister. I think that she probably said it the correct way. Yeah, I know. That was probably. That was probably when.

[Matt]

That's cool that you and Taylor's sister are such good friends, right?

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Like, that's why this. That's why you guys connected, right?

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Matt]

So.

[Tay]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how she. She introduced us. And now she's just a cute little mama, too, in Nashville living her mom life. It's literally like the most fun thing.

[Abby]

That's awesome. Well, a congratulations is in order for you as well.

[Tay]

Thanks.

[Abby]

Taylor is now pregnant or tay.

[Tay]

There's a little babe in there that's.

[Abby]

So do you feel kicks?

[Tay]

I actually was feeling them early. Yeah. I finally, like, really started to feel them, which is, like, so crazy.

[Abby]

Yeah. Because you're. Debbie said how far along you are.

[Tay]

I'm like, a little past halfway. Okay. I'm saying. No, I definitely am, like, starting to feel stuff. I think I was feeling stuff earlier, but it's kind of hard to, like, differentiate. I think also because it's my first, like, what is a kick and what's like, not, like gas or something.

[Matt]

Can you.

[Abby]

There's a lot of gas.

[Tay]

Yeah. There's a lot of movement in there. Yeah. No, I've started to feel kicks, which is, like, so crazy.

[Abby]

What? You might not know this, but with my first, I had a posterior placenta, and when I first had anterior. Is there any chance it's anterior or.

[Tay]

I think this is. I think I have a posterior.

[Abby]

Oh, okay.

[Tay]

Yeah, that's why I can feel them. Right. Okay. Yeah, Yeah, I think that's right.

[Abby]

Because I had. With my anterior one. I didn't feel them early on. Like, it took, like, a little, like, past 20 weeks.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Abby]

But by the end, that dude could really kick through that thing. So I was like. Doesn't always mean that you're not going to feel anything, but. Yeah, yeah, it's fun. It's fun to feel kicks, especially at this stage where you're like, okay, you're not actually killing me right now. But then sometimes. Sometimes they get crazy. Sometimes you're wild or maybe just have A little chill, baby.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Matt]

So I listened to your announcement podcast talking about all things pregnancy, and I find. I found it really interesting, just the fact that you were having to keep it a secret and you wanted to be able to announce the pregnancy on your own terms. Was there ever a moment where you thought that maybe, like, somebody figured it out or something?

[Tay]

I mean, yeah, I'm definitely. Every time I would, like, go to my OB's office or, like, go to urgent care or something, I definitely would get nervous. I mean, especially going to my ob, because, you know, Taylor has come with me to every appointment. And so I. People in the waiting room to be like, oh, why are they both going in there? Like, just like, that would definitely. Like, that concerned me. And I also put on a lot of weight, I think quicker than I was expecting, because during my first trimester, I like, I have emetophobia, and I'm, like, terrified of throwing up. Like, I hate.

[Abby]

Oh, that's enough.

[Tay]

Yeah. So I. Every time I was nauseous, I ate food, and it was just. I had the worst food aversion, so it was just, like, carbs. So I gained, like, 12 to 15 pounds in, like, two and a half weeks. And I was waking up three times in the night and eating food. So I had put on weight, and you could, like, guess. I was, like. My family was, like, not surprised I was pregnant because, like, you could tell because I had gain weight. I was scared that people were gonna, like, figure it out when I was going in to my OB appointments. But, yeah, that was just. I think. I think I was just a little scarred because our wedding, there was someone that, like, had a really long lens camera and, like, took photos of her, like, first look and posted them, like, the day after our wedding. It was, like, on daily mail. I know I could. It was rough. Yeah. That was not a fun thing for me. Mainly because it just, like, that was the first time it really felt like an invasion of privacy for me.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Tay]

Because, like, you know, people, if we leave the grocery store, like, we left the grocery store yesterday, and there's, like, someone in their car taking photos, and you see it on the Internet, like, that's fine, like, out in public.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Tay]

But our wedding, that, like, really just, like, felt icky. Like, it 100 did not feel good. So I think that kind of just put a bad taste in my mouth.

[Matt]

So how do they even explain for someone that, like, doesn't know how this works? How. How did they know that it was happening? How did they, like, have the right lens to Then, like, spy on you and take a photo from who knows how far away.

[Tay]

I. You know, there's many reasons why I think people knew that we were getting married. You know, some people like to make a quick buck and sell something to someone to go take a photo. Basically, someone called a photographer or called someone and a photographer got. Had. Just came with his stuff, had a long lens, and shot us from, like, the other side of the road.

[Matt]

So is that how this works? Like, the photographer is making money and selling it to, like, TMZ or whoever? Okay, that. That's interesting. We've only one time ever had, like, a paparazzi experience, and that was at the iHeartRadio Music Awards.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And now anytime you're, like, signing up for. Which. Yeah. Which we knew was gonna happen, but it's interesting. This world is, like, new. Like, still very new to us because now anytime there's, like, an article about Abby or I, they always use the same image because they. I guess they bought it from. Yeah, photographers.

[Tay]

Like Gettysburg, like, people can buy it, and then they'll just, like, re. Use it. It's in their system. I don't even know fully how it works, but I do know that there's, like, I have one photo of me, and I know Taylor has one photo of him that keeps getting used to. We both hate the photos of ourselves, and we're like. We got to, like, get a new photo in there. But, yeah, that's basically how. How it works.

[Matt]

Why do you hate this photo?

[Tay]

I just don't. I don't know why Taylor doesn't like his. But it's just, like, not a great photo of me. So I'm just like. I'm like. I have better photos on the Internet.

[Abby]

So, like, get one that I post.

[Tay]

Yeah, get. Yeah, take one from my feed. You can use that one.

[Matt]

Okay. I'm so curious. How did you find out you were pregnant?

[Tay]

I was unexpecting it. We had a scare, which I've talked about. Last January, I had a scare that I was pregnant, and it actually just was because I had switched birth controls and it ended up not being a pregnancy. But after that, I woke up the next morning after thinking I was pregnant, and I was. Wasn't pregnant. And I was sad. Like, it was with the first thing I. I thought when I woke up was, I'm sad I'm not pregnant. And I was like, oh, okay, now I know I'm ready. So, yeah, like, basically a year later, I. I have pcos, so my periods are not regular. So And I'd been off of birth control at that point for a while. But I. Yeah. Just was not paying attention to things because with irregular periods I feel like you just don't ever. But I also was like, you know, if it happens, it happens. We've been together long enough. Yeah, it's definitely time. But yeah, it was, it was a surprise for sure. We weren't.

[Matt]

Oh, it was a surprise.

[Abby]

Yeah.

[Tay]

We weren't actively. I wasn't tracking.

[Matt]

No way.

[Tay]

All the things. Which is great. Honestly, like, I'm so thankful now because I don't think I would have been able to like make the decision to be like, I'm ready to start trying because my cutoff was always like when I turn 30, that's when I'll like try.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Tay]

So I'm happy that I didn't have to make that decision because I feel like I would have turned 30 and

[Abby]

been like, you're 29, right? Yeah. Okay.

[Tay]

Yeah. So I feel like I would have been like one more year. One more year. So. Yeah.

[Abby]

Is it hard to. It's probably nearly impossible to track too with pcos.

[Tay]

The aura ring helps.

[Abby]

Okay.

[Tay]

Because I actually was ovulating at the time of conception, which is how it works. But no does work because now it can track maybe like six months to a year. It's been able to like track it in the app and I've had my ring for. I just found out two years. I'm obsessed with this frigging thing. Like.

[Abby]

Yeah, you do with natural cycles.

[Tay]

I actually don't. I have done natural cycles before, but I haven't linked it.

[Abby]

Oh.

[Tay]

Mainly because I just wasn't. I think if I was trying, I would have probably done it. But it always just like tracks your body temperature.

[Abby]

Right. Very cool.

[Tay]

Yeah. So my. Yeah, I just use my iron ring, so it kind of, it does kind of help. But I feel like with PCOS it's hard to like know fully what's happening.

[Matt]

It sounds like you got off birth control so like was this. Was it right away and you were like, oh my gosh, this just like happened or were you tracking for a while and.

[Tay]

No, I had, I had been off of my birth control for. I've been off of it. I think I went off of it like last May and that's actually how I ended up getting diagnosed with. With PCOS. Cuz I had been on birth control for like 10 years. So I basically.

[Abby]

I hear that so often.

[Tay]

I basically like got my period and then I went on birth control. Cuz I Danced in high school, and I would have really bad back cramps. And so I was just like, I need to, like, I can't be having this. Yeah. So. And then there's not really, like, at that time, they're not really, really thinking about, you know, all the things we know about birth control now. But I had just been on it for so long, and so I was just. At one point, I was like, okay, I think I'm just like, I need to get this, like, out of my body. Like, what. What even is, like, my normal cycle? What is my normal, like, hormonal levels without this in me? So, yeah, I went off of it, like, middle of last year, and then I started having irregular periods and then got the string of pearls thing and got the PCOS diagnosis from that. Yeah.

[Matt]

With not getting pregnant right away. Like, I remember when. When we got off birth control, Abby was just, like, taking tests right away. Was any part of you doing that and. And, you know, trying to figure out, oh, am I pregnant? Is this gonna happen?

[Tay]

Yeah. No, not because I. I know. Because I wasn't just. I wasn't in the mindset of tracking it. I know a couple of my girlfriends have done, like, one of them was doing, like, she decided she wanted to get pregnant and then started doing the ovulation test and then did it, and then she got pregnant, like, literally right after. But no, I. I hadn't even, like, thought about it. I just, like. Yeah, I just was not even. It just was not even on my radar, which is.

[Abby]

You're just thrown into the first trimester.

[Tay]

Huh?

[Abby]

How was that? You've been open about, like, it was, like, not necessarily, like, an easy first trimester.

[Tay]

Yeah, no, I definitely was not prepared for it because I think you just hear, like, oh, you had morning sickness, like, and that's what you think, like, first trimester is. But there's so many more symptom. Basically. I've said everything you could possibly think of is a symptom. But, yeah, I was basically, like, down bad for a month of. I mean, I didn't throw up, thankfully. There was times where I just wish I could throw up because I was like, I know I'll feel better after this, But I. My body was like, no, we're not. We're not doing that today. But I just had. I had no energy. I, like, couldn't think. I was so nauseous all the time. I had the worst acid reflux and the gas pain. And, like, hormonally, I just felt off because I had gained. Weighed so much so fast. I just, like, wasn't. I didn't feel like I was in my body. Like, I felt, like, just, like, weird in my own skin. And there was just so many things. And I think because we're supposed to keep that stage private, that was hard for me. But I ended up telling a few of my girlfriends, and then they told me that they were also pregnant. So it actually ended up working out so well that I was able to walk through my first trimester with other pregnant moms because, like, you know, my husband's great and my. My girlfriends are great, and I have such good support around me. But it is different, like, just having a female that is pregnant to, like, talk to and, like, go through that in that moment, like, you're experiencing the same things. So that was such a huge help for me because, yeah, I just was, like, I could not do, like, anything. I just, like, laid on the couch, and it was so frustrating because I like doing things. So, like, even just cleaning the house,

[Matt]

who had the best reaction to you telling them that you were pregnant? Did anybody just, like, freak out, like, start crying or.

[Tay]

Maybe my parents? I'm an only child, so my parents were very, very, very excited. They're. I mean, they're still, like, over the moon. They've been ready. When Taylor and I got engaged, my dad, like, signed our little card and just wrote, grandkids heart, dad. Like, that's, like, all he wrote. So he's been. He's been. Him especially, has been really itching for a little grandbaby.

[Abby]

So your dad. Yeah, that's so.

[Tay]

I know. I love him. He's the best. I'm. Both. My parents are the best, but are they close? Yeah.

[Abby]

Okay, that's great.

[Tay]

Yeah. Getting to, like, share that moment with them was really cool. Like, I just had never. I've never really, like, experienced anything like that before. It was. It was really. It was really special.

[Abby]

I was literally just telling Matt when we landed today, I was like, I'm so excited to be a grandma. He's like.

[Tay]

I'm like, are you sick of me,

[Abby]

like, already talking about this? But I was like, I always thought, you'll be Hop. I'll be Lolly.

[Matt]

She already has her names picked out.

[Abby]

But then I get all panic because I'm like, I don't want to put this pressure on our kids that they have to have, like, kids. But, gosh, I'll just tell it to you all the time.

[Tay]

I think there's a way to do it where it's like, I Think my parents actually did a really good job at that because I never felt pressured from them.

[Abby]

But you knew they would be so happy.

[Tay]

Yeah, no, I knew they were like, okay, like, whatever you want. Like, we're ready. Like, it was never, they were never like, okay, so, like, what's taking you so long? There was never any, like, pressure or any, like, forcefulness around it. They were just like, they love. They love. Like, I used to nanny, and so the little girl that I nanny, I would bring over to the house and hang with them. And so she, like, my, she loved my parents and my parents loved her. So it was, like, fun, like, because I watched her. I think I started watching her when she was 8 months old until she was, like, 4.

[Abby]

Have, like, a little practice round.

[Tay]

Yeah, I, I, I keep saying once, once I get through, like, the first six months, I feel like I'll be able to, like, from there, I'm fine. Like, I've experienced it to a degree.

[Abby]

Yeah.

[Tay]

So I'm thankful for that. But, yeah, the first couple months, I'm like, I have no clue what to expect.

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[Tay]

Yeah, yeah, no, we. We've done some stuff in private. I think everyone's like, to each their own about it, because whatever. Whatever people want to do. Like, some people love having, you know, all the friends and family over and popping stuff and that.

[Matt]

We did do that.

[Tay]

That's. That stresses. That stresses me out. But, like, I love going to those things and, like, being a part of that. So, I mean, it's. It's whatever. Like, anyone. I think the Internet is, like, way too harsh on people, like, with what they want to do for their gender reveals.

[Matt]

I think people just are too chronically online these days.

[Tay]

It's not true.

[Abby]

Really, really far. And then they're like, well, this is a little.

[Matt]

There have been some wild ones. And I get that.

[Abby]

And that's weird that people get mad about it, though. On the flip side, like, that I should make you mad.

[Matt]

Yeah, yeah. We.

[Tay]

I've seen the ones where it's like, there's, like, a giant box and the box opens, and it's like, pink balloons and, like, a pink, like, Rolls Royce or some, like, nice car in the giant box. I've seen a couple of those videos. I'm like, if I were to do a gender reveal, then that's what I would want. I will take a car to that.

[Abby]

Thank you.

[Matt]

You already got a three row vehicle. I mean, you have a mom car already, right? Like, yeah. Okay. That's awesome. I. I've been slow to getting Abby's mom car. Sorry, babe.

[Abby]

They got two kids, man.

[Matt]

We have a two. We have a two. We have two. Two row vehicles.

[Tay]

I'm just kidding.

[Abby]

Yeah, we just need a third row. That's. So did you do the early test? If you don't want me asking, or did you just wait till find out?

[Tay]

We. We ended up waiting. We. We were told about the early test when we were in the. When we were at the appointment, and she was like, do you guys want to know? And we were like, wait, no, I don't. I don't know if we want to know. So then we didn't do the test, but then we went back, and we're like, okay, we want to know. She's like, well, we didn't do the test. And I was like, oh, okay, I get it. Like, I didn't, like, pro, because they, like, every time I go in, like, they draw my blood. So I was like, oh, like, I didn't like, I didn't think through that they technically needed my okay to do the test. Yeah, that's, you know, like, I didn't think it through.

[Abby]

You're like, well, run it again. Yeah, don't do it again.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Abby]

How do you feel about the needles and stuff? I know some people their first time pregnancy. Okay, you were a nurse, so you're like, I'm pretty comfortable, this type of thing.

[Tay]

I. I've given myself a couple, like, IVs before.

[Abby]

Oh, you gave it yourself?

[Tay]

I have, like, in school now. I don't think I recorded that.

[Matt]

It's just like you've done it yourself, is what you said. Oh, gosh.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Matt]

How do you possibly do that?

[Tay]

It's actually really hard, which I think when I, like, after I learned that

[Abby]

angle too, I feel like, well, you

[Tay]

can do it like here. Yeah, no, here is like. You can do like. There's like, there's veins here that you can do it on too, which are easier. Like, if I'll do like, like an IV push, like, like, like a med swa. They like, do like the vitamin pushes and stuff that I know how to, like, do on myself. But yeah, no, I'm. I'm okay with them. I mean, they're not. They're not fun. Like, they're not, like, enjoyable. But I just, I. I try not to look now, honestly. I just like, trying to like, get it over with and just do it.

[Abby]

Remind me, with the type of nursing that you did. Were you around pregnant, like, pregnancy much?

[Tay]

No, I only had a couple patients ever that were maybe just like postpartum, but not like early days. Like, they had been in the hospital because they got an infection or they were back. I had a. I had a Covid mom once that had a two week old and they both had covet, but the baby was up in NICU and she was with us, which I didn't like at all. That was really hard. But. Yeah, not really. Not really any moms, but my best friend is a labor and daughter delivery nurse. That's a good tool to have right now. She. I ask her a lot of questions, but when I did my clinical rotations and I did like the labor and delivery rotation, I was like, I can't do this. Like, that's. I basically saw a vaginal birth and it was like, I literally came home and I was like, babe, I'm not having a child until I forget what that looks like. And now I'm like, it's like 80 gone now.

[Matt]

When was that?

[Tay]

How many years ago in 2019.

[Abby]

Wait, you saw delivery and you're like, I don't want any part of that.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Abby]

So was she unmedicated or what?

[Tay]

No, just literally seeing it.

[Abby]

Seeing it.

[Tay]

Seeing it from, like, the receiving end.

[Abby]

I don't want to see that either.

[Tay]

Yeah, yeah, no, that was. That was a lot. That was a lot. And I had never seen a birth before.

[Abby]

It's crazy and amazing, but, yeah, I also. I do get a little squeamish.

[Tay]

Yeah, no, that was. That was just, like, really a lot to, like, also this. Now that I'm saying this out loud, this woman literally allowed, like, three students to just, like, stand and watch her give birth.

[Abby]

She pro. I wasn't thinking about that, honestly.

[Tay]

But I would. I don't want. I wouldn't want a student in my room.

[Abby]

All kinds of people were in. I don't even know.

[Matt]

Yeah, there. Well, there was one time, though, babe, you were at a doctor's appointment in your hometown, and then a kid you used to babysit, small town walks in, and I think you go, no, no, no.

[Tay]

It was a guy, no appointment.

[Abby]

I used to babysit him. I was like, hey, wait. Pause.

[Tay]

Oh, no.

[Abby]

Yeah. How would you tell his father was a doctor? So he was actually even, like, pretty young to be like, yeah, observing like that. Because I was like,

[Tay]

that's. That's a little too much.

[Abby]

It was crazy.

[Tay]

Yeah, that crosses the line.

[Abby]

I'm also, like, someone that, like, especially then, I was quite a bit younger. Like, I was so afraid of speaking up, but so in my head, I had, like, warring thoughts. I was like, speak up, Abby. This is crazy. And I was like, no, I don't want to make anyone uncomfortable. And so then I was just like, no, I have to make myself uncomfortable because, you know, those gowns are, like, open in the front, too. I was just like, no, no, no.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Abby]

I was like, he's got to go.

[Tay]

Proud of you for that one.

[Matt]

So now, I mean, yeah, you're pregnant now. I mean, no going back. Like, you know, this is happening.

[Tay]

There's no return.

[Matt]

How do you mentally prepare yourself for, you know, birth potential, C section, all of that? Like, how does that. How do you approach all that?

[Tay]

I mean, I think I'm just kind of taking it day by day. Part of me is like, ignorance is bliss, and then the other part of me really wants to know everything. I think just talking to, like, as many moms as possible is definitely helping me. I think the biggest thing I feel overwhelmed with right now is, like, the registry stuff of it. All because there's just so many products, like.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Tay]

There's so many strollers, there's so many beds, there's so many car seats. There's so many bottles. There's just so many things. So me and my girlfriends now are kind of like, we're a little stressed about that because, like, we want to make sure we get the right thing. But the consensus that I've learned is that like, don't over buy things because there's a lot of stuff that you don't use.

[Matt]

Has your FYP changed at all?

[Tay]

Oh, I. Yeah, it's just pregnancy talk all the way. Yeah, it's like basically like ya book shows and pregnancy.

[Matt]

Are you just embracing that at this point? Just all the pregnancy content?

[Tay]

Yeah, no, it's. It's so. It's so fun. I love it.

[Matt]

I feel like I'm getting the. The vibe that the more knowledge you have about pregnancy and birth and all that, the better you feel. Is that true?

[Tay]

I think, I think so to some degree. Because, like, part. I think. I think I'm apprehensive with knowing stuff because I learned so much of the things that could go wrong in nursing school. So when I say I don't want to know things, that's the stuff that I'm like. I think has also made me like, apprehensive to like, have kids because I know of the things that can go wrong. So that's the stuff I don't like, want to know to a degree, which sounds kind of ignorant, but I. I stress a lot about things, so I would rather like, not be thinking about that. And that's why my best friend is a labor and delivery nurse. So just have her on speed dial if I have a question about anything.

[Matt]

Yeah, because you've picked out your doula already, right?

[Tay]

My best friend is my doula.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Tay]

Yeah. Did you have a doula?

[Matt]

I think that's smart. No, we've never had one, but I think Abby's gonna get a doula.

[Tay]

Yeah. Okay.

[Abby]

Yeah, I. I think what I've heard from my friends that have had a really great experience with doulas is that takes a lot of pressure off the husband because they like, then they can kind of speak on your behalf and like, take pictures and stuff, and your husband can kind of just be there for you. Whereas I feel like Matt was like, trying to do the most, especially like with the nature of our first delivery. I feel like there was a time where I was like, not talking and I just. I. Poor Matt. Like, first time dad you were literally, like, 22 years old. You're like, I don't know what's going on. Yeah, I'm not talking either. Like, I'm not advocating for myself, so I think it'd be a good idea. It sounds like a great idea. And I also think, like, how you said, like, having other moms to be in community with and to, like, kind of like, they share the same experience in a way. Like, having someone that's so knowledgeable about birth and pregnancy in the room. Like, I'm like, I would like that. I want someone that has. I want someone that has a vagina as well in there. Yeah. Like, not just you. I feel like there's some people that are like, yeah, I don't want to know anything, and I just want to go into it. That was me. I was like, please, no one tell me anything. I'm just going to go. And they're going to take my baby out. There's other people. Like, I need to know everything. And it's just different ways of handling that unknown.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Abby]

Because so much of pregnancy, I'm sure, you know, like, already you're just throwing deep and you're like, so much of this is just, like, dealing with.

[Tay]

Learn. Learn as you go.

[Abby]

Learn as you go. Yes.

[Matt]

I can only imagine, especially now, being in the public eye, the amount of questions that you get being pregnant, you know, when's the due date? What's the gender? What's the name? Like, so many different questions. How do you decide what to keep private and then what to share?

[Tay]

I think if it has to do, like, with me personally, I'm more than happy to, like, share how I'm feeling and what I'm walking through, but it's definitely just, like, a whole new territory. And, you know, every time, you know, after this, every time I open my mouth, an article pops up. And that's something that I'm really learning during this pregnancy is every time I even just say, like, you know, I'm struggling with something. Like, there's a bunch of articles that pop up. So it's made me want to really protect what, like, protect my pregnancy and everything around it. But when it comes to me personally, I think it's like, I love opening up and sharing about, like, what, like, mentally I'm going through my physical body changes and, like, that kind of a thing. Because I think that's also what women want to hear. Like, I don't think other moms necessarily care about, like, the gender of the baby or what my due date is or What? Like whatever anything is. I think they want to know what I'm walking through.

[Matt]

Yeah.

[Tay]

In my pregnancy. Because that's what, like, that's what I want to watch. Like, not that I don't care, like, not that I don't care about when your due date is or what, you know, I. We didn't even know the gender of your baby till after we did, you know, ours, but after we did the squeeze. But like, it's just, I want to know like what your experience was like with the C section. What was breastfeeding like and what was this like? Like, that's more of like what I want to know. So I think that's like more important.

[Matt]

How do you feel about articles being made? Do you like, is that a good thing, a bad thing?

[Tay]

I mean, I would, I would love to not have it to a degree. I mean there's, there's fun to it, but also, you know, people can take a sentence of anything, say and make it anything they want.

[Matt]

So has, has it happened before?

[Tay]

Yeah, for sure. No. I mean, I feel really lucky that I, I have like such a great audience and I feel like our Lemon drops, the Squeeze listeners and just like my audience on socials, like it's just a bunch of support and love and it's truly the best thing. And it's just been really special to share about what I have, like what I'm going through because so many other women have been like, yeah, I'm like walking through that same thing. Or I agree. So it's been, it's been special to do that.

[Matt]

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[Abby]

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[Matt]

I think it's cool you opened up in the episode about the first trimester about, you know, body image. I thought that was really cool. Especially after seeing my wife now on, on her fourth pregnancy. That's been a, like a common conversation that we've had. You know, I've never, I've obviously never been pregnant. I thought it was cool how you were able to like, open up about the fact that you've never judged someone for their body or looked negatively upon like a pregnant person for their body. But then you going through that yourself, then everything changed. Can you talk more about that?

[Tay]

Yeah, no, it was definitely, I think my little like, pessimist saying that when I was just feeling all the feels in my first trimester was I was just like, pregnancy is propaganda. Like, none of this is fun. Like, what if this is fun? Like, I know I'm going to get through the first trimester and then it's going to be enjoyable. But, like, nothing right now is, like, enjoyable about this. It was really the first time that I really struggled with my body image and comparison to some degree because like I said, like, I, I've never looked at another pregnant woman and been like, oh my gosh, like, look at her arm. Like, I've never been. I've never like, questioned someone's like, body while they're pregnant. I'm like, oh my gosh, look at them. Look at their belly. Like, that's so amazing. They're pregnant. Like that. Those are like, I'm like, they're glowing. Like, it's only positive thoughts that I ever have towards pregnant women. And then I got pregnant and then I didn't have any of those thoughts. Like, so it was, it was Something that I even still, I think I'm probably gonna have to work through. And I think a lot of women, you know, are learning to walk through as they're pregnant. And I think it probably will feel different my next pregnancy because I have been through it. So I like know what to expect, but I just like did not know what to expect at all with it. Like how, how my body was going to react where, where I was going to get a stretch mark, where I was going to gain weight, like what it was going to look like. So yeah, it's definitely been like an interesting thing. But it was really cool because so many women literally I, I've never had so many messages in my life from after sharing that, women messaging me about that. So many pregnant women were like, I literally feel this exact same way right now. Like thank you for sharing that. And I, I felt so validated to a degree because like it's not just me that was feeling that way. So many other women were.

[Matt]

What's your go to outfit right now?

[Tay]

This.

[Matt]

That sweatsuit? Sweatset?

[Tay]

Yeah. It's getting summer so I'm like, oh boy. Like I don't know how that's gonna. Or like a nap dress. Like a Hill House. Like a. Just a southern little. Have you heard of that brand of dresses? They're kind of pricey, but my girlfriend got me onto them. They literally like the material lasts. Like I've literally had the stress for like six years. Six years. They're the most comfortable thing and I fit in the same size like pre pregnancy when I was like my smallest to like still now and I. There's still like room for me to grow. So it's like very universal. So this and like a sundress, it will change your life.

[Abby]

What's funny is like the evolution of like how I've dressed during pregnancy because I think the first I was like, I wanted to wear maternity clothes specifically. And the second I don't even, I think I just wore big T shirts. This one has been a bump out pregnancy. I feel like my bump has been exposed a lot which is funny because my bump is not in to top shape. I've had a double hernia repair. I got new stretch marks. I got mesh here. Things just aren't as round as they used to be.

[Matt]

I like the bump though.

[Abby]

Thank you. And I'm like, it's just the evolution. I truly do believe, like it changes over time. And postpartum is a whole different experience too. Like with your body. Something you said on the squeeze. We had A conversation prior to this on the Squeeze me and tight. Our emotions, our thoughts are so complex. Like, we're able to hold the negative and the positive at the exact same time. I feel like my relationship with my body and, like, it's like, you can hold the positive of, like, yeah, my body's doing something immaculate. Like, the actual purpose of my body is. Is blowing my mind right now.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Abby]

Do I like the visual aspect of this right now? All the time. Am I, like, super happy with the changes that I'm seeing physically in it? Like, maybe not. And I think that sometimes that's uncomfortable for people to grapple with the both. And. And you said that really well. So I also do think that, like, going through birth, too, will totally change your first. Maybe, maybe not. Because I feel like also in postpartum is when I was, like, struggling too, with my body, because I was like, I gave my. I extended grace for myself when I was pregnant. I was like, you're growing a baby now, so it's going to look different. But then postpartum, I was like, why do I expect the same thing of my body now afterwards? That was profound. Like, the. The. The negative and the positive, we can hold both and we hold them at the same time.

[Tay]

Yeah. I think that's something we need to, like, talk about more. And I think other women that have walked through pregnancy aren't the people that are leaving, like, the nasty comments and, like, saying, like, you're ungrateful. Like, how dare you say, like, you don't like your body, you're growing a baby, like, you're ungrateful. I don't think that's the other pregnant women that have, like, and moms that have walked through this before leaving those comments. I think it's probably men and women that haven't walked through it, and I think that you definitely just have a big per, like, perception change with it. And both can. Both can coexist. That's what I'm learning. Like, you can have both a negative and a positive emotion to everything.

[Matt]

What's the biggest change you've noticed with moving into the second trimester now that

[Tay]

I can, like, feel like a human again?

[Matt]

Oh, good. Better.

[Tay]

Yeah, no, definitely, like, feeling better and have my energy back, which is great because I was really struggling. So it. I. I was definitely, like, came out of a hole and was like, oh, the sun is shining and I'm alive. And I feel like I was actually able to process my emotions more, which was great. And my therapist probably would agree with that because I Was like, I text him and be like, I need to see you, because these hormones are not being friendly right now. But no, I'm definitely, like, feeling better, which is great. Obviously, like, you know, symptoms go and then other things come. But I'm. I'm able to, like, fully. Like, I just got back from, like, a week in New York doing, like, press and work, so, like, I would not have been able to do that in my first trimester at all, even a little bit. So it's. It's nice being able to, like, do things again.

[Matt]

Do you think you and Taylor are going to do a baby moon of some sort?

[Tay]

That's honestly a great question. We have not figured that one out.

[Matt]

You haven't planned it yet?

[Tay]

Yeah, no, I know. We might just do, like, a staycation, just like a little weekend thing. I don't know. I know.

[Matt]

You should go to Cabo. We. That's where we've gone a lot for. We've gone there, I think, three times now for baby moons.

[Abby]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And it's awesome.

[Tay]

I've actually heard. I actually do feel like a lot of people either go to Cabo on babymoon, or they go to Cabo and then they get pregnant.

[Matt]

Oh, good place to get pregnant. Yeah, it's a good place to get pregnant. You've had this major shift now, marrying a movie star. You're in the spotlight. You also have your podcast, which has brought a spotlight to you as well. Now you're having a kid. So how do you plan to navigate fame, all of that, with having a child? Have you. Have you guys had a conversation about that?

[Tay]

Yeah, I think to some degree. I also think there's just a lot of, like, unspoken things that we both agree on. I think we're both just gonna keep, you know, doing our jobs and not have our kids a part of that. The Internet is, I've just learned, is such a scary place to have kids. And, you know, I have friends that share their kids all the time, and I love seeing their kids on the Internet. But for me personally, like, I don't think that's, like, what I want to do, but I could change my mind and I could want to do that, but at this point in time, that's just, like. It's just like, a level of privacy, how I feel like that, and my baby's in my body, and, like, no one could see my baby yet. So, like, it's just. It's definitely, like, a new level of unknown. For sure. Like, I do think about, like, if we go out like, someone's gonna take like a photo of our baby. Like, I, like, there's just like so many little thoughts like that I'm like, that you have to like think about to protect them.

[Abby]

Yeah, that's a bummer to have. Yeah.

[Tay]

Yeah, I think.

[Matt]

Okay, correct me if I'm wrong, is, has the media gotten better though, about celebrities, kids? Because they're not gonna just like on People magazine, show a kid's face of a celebrity with that. Like that. That's not really a thing anymore, right?

[Tay]

I. Yes, there has been.

[Matt]

Oh, there has been.

[Tay]

There has been a shift.

[Matt]

Okay.

[Tay]

Like, protecting kids privacy. And I definitely think. I know. I was actually thinking, like, do you have to like, alert people? Like, don't post my kids. Like, how do you. Like, I don't think you do. That's probably just me being dumb.

[Matt]

But like, just like have your kid hold an emoji like thing over their face when you're walking around in public?

[Abby]

No, I don't think you're allowed to share kids.

[Matt]

I was making a stupid joke.

[Tay]

No, but I'm saying I don't think

[Abby]

you're allowed to share kids.

[Matt]

Yeah. Or maybe it's more of like a culture shift because I don't know if there's actually a law around that.

[Tay]

I don't think. I don't know if there's a law, but I think it's definitely like a rule. I don't know, because the cowboys could literally, like, it's news. Like, they could do whatever they want. I know they definitely used to, but I think people are just being kinder about it to a degree.

[Matt]

At what age do you think you're going to show your kid Shark Boy and Lava Girl?

[Tay]

I mean, that's a good question.

[Abby]

She's like, I have to go to that.

[Tay]

Yeah. I mean, probably sooner than later, that thing. It's so crazy how that movie has literally just like not lost like its charm at all with kids. Like, even I have friends that have little kids and that will put it on for them. Like, it's just. It's so. It's just. It stands the test of time. It's so crazy now I feel convicted.

[Matt]

We haven't shown our 3 year old and 2 year old shark Boy and Lava Girl. I showed them Jimmy Neutron a couple weeks ago. They are obsessed with Jimmy Neutron. And I bet you if we showed

[Abby]

them Shark Boy, they tell me they're like, got a blast.

[Tay]

Oh, my gosh.

[Matt]

They watched Jimmy Neutron yesterday.

[Abby]

They watched it yesterday.

[Matt]

So that's so sweet.

[Abby]

And Honestly, like you said, stood the test of time. Because I remember that movie was playing while I was making dinner, and it's like, why do I remember quotes from this? Like, when that guy's friends going, I'm peeing in the shower. I was like, why do I remember this?

[Tay]

Wait, that's such a dumb.

[Abby]

Okay, okay.

[Matt]

I want to say this, though. Have you seen. Here's my idea for you guys. I think you need to show your, your, your kid as they grow up the movie, but not say anything. Like, just don't say anything at all and let them figure out, like, wait, is that. Is that dad?

[Tay]

Like, I have question that. Like, it's really fun for my friend's kids like that have watched the movies like she has. He's probably 6 or 7 now, but he was probably 4 at the time when she had showed him Shark Boy and Llama Girl. And like, Taylor would come and she'd be like, this is Shark Boy. And he'd be like, that's not Shark Boy. Like, Shark Boy is a kid Shark Man. Yeah. So it's. It's such. Is like a funny, like, thing to think about how kids, like, comprehend that is like, really cute. Yeah.

[Abby]

They're very literal. I feel like.

[Tay]

Yeah, Like.

[Abby]

Nope.

[Tay]

Yeah, very matter of fact. Yes.

[Matt]

Well, you know, I think there, there was something viral about the Rock showing his daughter Moana.

[Tay]

Yes.

[Matt]

Because his daughter didn't, like, just would not Maui.

[Abby]

She's like, you're not Maui. That's really cute.

[Tay]

So cute. Yeah.

[Abby]

There's so many. There's so many ways you guys can do that. That's it. That's a unique, unique thing you get.

[Tay]

Very niche. Very niche.

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[Abby]

Speaking about postpartum, talked about like preparing for like baby coming, like potential fears about labor and delivery. But then when the baby's here, obviously you can't plan for everything. But like, what, what do you expect. Expect as far as like breastfeeding, sleep. Like, what are your. What are your plans?

[Tay]

I'm expecting not to know anything and not to like, just like feel the drowning. Feeling like I'm expecting that. So hopefully it's like a little better. I'm really going into it open minded about the breastfeeding. Like, I've, I have friends. I have a girlfriend whose baby was allergic to her breast milk.

[Abby]

Yeah, that happens.

[Tay]

So like, and I had never heard of that before, so I'm, I'm gonna have formula. I'm gonna, I'm just gonna try like everything. Like, I just, I don't like really, really care at this point. Like, I'm just like, whatever. However the baby gets fed, I'm like, yeah, great.

[Matt]

Are you having any like weird pregnancy cravings at all?

[Tay]

I know, that's such a good question. I, I mean, well, I did just buy some girl Scout cookies, so maybe the Girl Scout cookies. But that's always a craving. I know, I don't know, I had during my first trimester. Watermelon was like my huge thing because it was like light and refreshing. I ate so much watermelon. That was like my favorite thing. And that definitely could like get me through the day. Anything that's like. I. But I think this is like a universal like anything that is like tangy or like. Have you had the Jersey Mike's pregnancy sub?

[Abby]

It's like you heat up the meat.

[Tay]

No, it's like banana peppers and like it's just like the vinegary taste. Okay. It's basically just. It's just without deli meat. You should. You should.

[Abby]

No meat at all.

[Tay]

It has bacon. Okay. But it's bacon, so you can have bacon.

[Matt]

That's why I like Jersey Mike's with pregnancy for Abby. Because. Yeah, they have all these, like, cooked sandwiches, hot sandwiches, I guess. I think Subway probably has that too. Yeah, I think Jersey Mike's is better than Subway.

[Tay]

Jersey Mike's has like a. It's like a hot pepper relish, I think it's called that goes on this pregnancy sub. Just look. Just look it up on the Internet. I don't. I found it somewhere from someone posting spicy.

[Abby]

I agree. That does kind of.

[Tay]

Yeah. Or like just a little like. Like a little drink. Like a. I love like a midday little. Just like spin drift or like a matcha or something. Yeah, I love that.

[Abby]

A mocktail.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Something I was thinking about too is, you know, given given Taylor's background in being a child actor, there's probably that potential one day that your kid could say, hey, I want to do a movie. I want to audition for something.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Am I thinking, like, way too far out there? Have you guys even, like, thought about anything like that with.

[Tay]

No. I mean, we definitely talked about it. I mean. Yeah, it's something that I think is probably inevitable because I danced my entire life and did theater as a little kid. So I think we're definitely bound to have a child at some point that wants to do something in the arts. Yeah, no, I think that's something that if they want to explore, it will obviously allow them to. But it's not something we're going to push for at all. Yeah, whatever. Like, with any. Any sport, we're going to put them in all of the things and have them do all the things, but definitely not pushing for it.

[Matt]

And do you like living in California? Do you think you'd ever move back to the Midwest? Because you guys are both from the Midwest.

[Tay]

I'm from here. Taylor Swift.

[Matt]

That's right.

[Abby]

Yeah.

[Tay]

Yeah. I'm from. I'm from SoCal. Taylor's. Taylor's. Michigan.

[Matt]

So you guys are never moving that your whole.

[Tay]

I know there was a part. There was a time where we were like, maybe we would move, but. But I. At this, I feel like I just have such great community around me right now that if I didn't, then maybe we would. But my best friend is also moving back from Austin to Back here. So I'm very excited about that because we've been long distance, but. Yeah, I know. I don't know. I never say Never. I would, I would. If my friends wanted to move somewhere, I'd probably move with them. But no, we're pretty, we're pretty happy. Be here.

[Abby]

Something I was surprised that you said earlier, like talking about a future pregnancy. You are an only child and I know that you've talked about openly. Like you're like, I don't like love being pregnant. I was surprised to hear that you're like already open to like future pregnancies. It hasn't been enough to say I'll never do this again apparently.

[Tay]

Yeah, I don't know. I definitely want more than one because I was one and I wanted a friend. Yeah. I think also just because I didn't have cousins or anything like my around my age, like no one was really close to me in age at all. So I was just with the grown ups the whole time. So yeah, I mean I definitely would want another one. I also feel like I'm gonna see my baby and be like, like just obsessed that it's literally like part of my husband in a child form and be like, okay, I'll take another. So I could see both of us being like, okay, but yeah, no, I'm definitely, definitely open to it. That's something that I do want. But then, you know, the other day I told Taylor I was like, what if I only want to have one? He was like, okay, like whatever you wanted. Yeah, I'm like, thank you for the support.

[Abby]

I just need to hear that right now. That's sweet. That's really sweet. Have you been using pregnancy to get taken care of? Oh, that's what I do.

[Matt]

Oh yeah.

[Abby]

I like turn the lights on but can't get up.

[Tay]

Yeah, no, Taylor's definitely been the most helpful. He's so funny. I'll ask him for like a couple things. He's like, do you need anything before I sit down? And I'm like, no, I'm okay now. But no, he's been, he's been so helpful with like everything. It's been great. He definitely did like everything for me in the first and now it's like 50, 50 sometimes like when it's, he knows when it's night time, I'm like, okay, I'm done moving. Like I'm on the couch. We're watching a show. Like, I need ice in my water. I need like a snack. Like you could. Yep.

[Abby]

Yeah. Yep. Oh, I remember like I was like, this was when we first came here. Like, this is so fun. Now I can just like have you do anything and you do you're great about it. I feel like we're just. You get. We married. Well, we got guys. I want to take care of us. Do you think when it comes to, like, everything about labor, delivery and postpartum can be a little graphic?

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Abby]

How do you think he's gonna handle that?

[Tay]

That is a great question.

[Abby]

My friend's husband passed out in the delivery room.

[Matt]

Oh, gosh, wait, I forgot about.

[Abby]

He was snoring when the baby came out, so. And Matt watched the entire thing and wanted to like, there's a such a range here. Like, what are you anticipating?

[Tay]

I think he'll be fine. I think he'll like norm. I think normally medical stuff makes him like, a little like, eh. But I think that's. I don't think to the point where he would pass out. But I also think when the husband is in the role of, like, I'm, like, I'm supporting, like, my wife needs me. Yeah. Like, they're like, it's like a different role than just like, if, you know, Taylor were to be going in and like, getting surgery or like getting an iv, like blood drawn or something. Like, it's a different type of scenario. Like, there, like, is purpose for him being there. He needs, like, I need his support. He needs to like, be there. So I think. I think he'll be fine.

[Abby]

You're like, you never know.

[Tay]

I mean, I guess we'll find out.

[Abby]

I was always like, you don't have to, but you're like, I want to. Like.

[Matt]

Yeah. Have you guys ever been to the hospital together for some reason ever? Like, any. Any injuries, any surgeries?

[Tay]

Once. We have, but it ended up being fine. I was having like, a weird heart thing. No, I mean, we've been to like, doctor's appointment, like, a lot of doctors together, but nothing like, crazy serious. He actually was with me. Obviously not in the room, but he came with me. I had to get a colonoscopy very early on in our relationship, and he was like, with me through that. And like, the recovery is quick, especially when you. You have like, actual anesthesia. Like, it's just a procedure, but we've gone through like, a couple things like that, so nothing too graphic.

[Matt]

But we didn't pass out. There's no.

[Tay]

He did not. No.

[Abby]

It's a sweet. It does bond you. Like being in, like, being so vulnerable, like, together too. It. It's a really cool thing to walk through.

[Matt]

You took care of me when I got my wisdom teeth out in college.

[Abby]

That's true. You had a couple of things that have gotten you down for the couch? The common cold. No, I'm just kidding.

[Matt]

Oh, yeah. Question. When Taylor's sick, does it bother you? Because I feel like that's a common thing. Like, if I'm sick, I feel like Abby's just automatically pissed off.

[Tay]

Yeah, the men. The men are just. I feel like that is a common thing.

[Abby]

I just have to text my friends. Like, Matt's sick.

[Tay]

Everyone's like, it's not. It's. Honestly, that's. That's one of the best things about marriage is, like. Or having married friends is that the married. My girlfriends know, like, when the husbands get sick, like, they're just like, hello.

[Abby]

It's not even fake. That's real. It just hits them harder.

[Matt]

We have friends that were, like, obsessed with their dogs before having kids. They were just, like, beloved dog parents.

[Abby]

Good.

[Matt]

Yeah. And then they had a baby, and the dogs just took their.

[Abby]

They started hating their dog.

[Tay]

Yeah, they.

[Matt]

Yeah, they didn't really like their dog as much. How do you feel about that?

[Tay]

There's no way in the world that's happening. I'm going on record. Our dogs really like our kids. Especially, like, our puppy. Like, she. I mean, she's not a puppy. She's five now. But our younger dog, she's a Belgian Malinois. So she's, like, a very smart dog. She's, like, part human. Like, we bring her everywhere. She travels with us. Like, she's like. She understands English. Like, she. My other dog is like a house cat. Like, she just kind of, like, does her own thing, and she just, like, asleep and vibing and just, you know, plays a little, then sleeps. So she's just, like our house cat. So. And I love her, but nothing will. There's no, like, missing interaction there. But our. Our younger one, for sure, is, like, she's, like, part human and wants to be, like, involved in it and everything. That's what I'm excited about.

[Abby]

Do you think she'll be good around the baby?

[Tay]

Yeah, and I think they both. I think they're both gonna have to, like, obviously learn because they haven't really, like, been around kids. But I'm. I'm excited to, like, watch that whole journey because I think they're gonna be great.

[Matt]

How do you feel about, like, this? I feel weird asking this question, but, like, like, breastfeeding.

[Tay]

I've taken all of the advice of friends that have done. Have breastfed and done formula, and I have friends that, you know, one pregnancy did formula, one breastfed, and then they switched or, like, whatever. It is I just, I think I'm just really going into it open minded because I don't want to have a plan and then that plan not work and then get frustrated with it. Like I'm just really trying to like I'm gonna see like a lactation consultant and still like try like so it's just, you know, maybe it's not for me or maybe the baby doesn't latch. Like it's just. There's just so many things that you know, could or could not happen. So I'm really just trying to go into it like open minded.

[Matt]

Has there ever been a point in your life where you had a plan and it didn't go according to plan? Because it sounds like you're not wanting to plan because of that. In a way.

[Tay]

Yeah, I think I just am like a planner and I think that I know. I don't know if there's anything like specifically that stands out but I definitely like a plan and like to stick to the plan. So I think I'm maybe trying with this to be as no plan as possible. When it comes to the breastfeeding formula thing. I want to be prepared either way. I honestly think that's what it is is I want to be, I want to know how both work and be prepared either way. And when the time comes I'll know how to do both then.

[Abby]

That's funny.

[Tay]

We'll see. I don't know.

[Abby]

Reminding me of the type of Instagram or the type of feed I'm getting right now. I'm on type B mom. Tick tock.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Abby]

What I'd with but on Instagram do you think that you're gonna be more of a type A mom? It sounds like you might be more of a type A mom or I'm

[Tay]

definitely will be a type A mom. I think, I mean I, I could change, who knows. But I, yeah, I mean that's just my, my personality.

[Abby]

Yeah.

[Matt]

You're like.

[Tay]

Is that so?

[Abby]

Yeah, yeah. That's how my sister in law is. I, we have a type A mom and two type B moms.

[Matt]

Oh.

[Abby]

Sometimes I do things that I'm like that. I don't know what time that was. That was just.

[Tay]

That was some type of mom.

[Abby]

Some other type that just came out there. But you know what? Everyone's kids well adjusted and loved and turned out fine. Yep. So it's just so funny.

[Tay]

They're fed, they're happy.

[Abby]

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[Tay]

I think probably that I live a more like celebrity lifestyle than I do. I live like literally such a normal life. Like I just live my life now is honestly very similar to before Taylor and I were together. Like nothing has really changed besides like, you know, work stuff and how that is handled or like approached how the life of that. But day to day everything is like so like I just, I do my dishes, I do my laundry very normal. Like I don't have a bunch of staff running around everywhere doing things.

[Matt]

So that's what people assume is that you've got, you've got all these people, people that are doing everything for you.

[Tay]

And yeah, a couple years ago I posted something that. I don't know what. I posted something that, oh, I was putting laundry. I think I was putting stuff in the wash and then there was a bug in the hamper and Taylor like, I don't, I forget what it was. It was something like that and people were like, you do your own laundry. I was like, what? Like, it was, it was the funniest thing to me but, yeah, no, just. It's very, like, I'm. We're gonna finish it. I'm gonna go, you know, eat the other half of my Jersey Mike sandwich and go let my dogs out and just, like, probably put the dishes away. Like, it's just very, like, normal.

[Matt]

Yeah. What. What is your day today? Like, are you a homebody? For the most part, yes.

[Tay]

Because I work from home, but I do. I like, you know, I. I love a Target run. I love, like, getting out of the house and, like, doing little things like that. Especially now, being pregnant, I haven't gotten out of the house as much because I don't. That's just, like, a little bit too much work for me to, like, get out. But then again, I just got back from New York and was literally gone, so. Comes in waves. But, yeah, I mean, I'm definitely a homebody, especially because, you know, my husband's at home and he's not working, so especially now we're just really, like, savoring time, just the two of us.

[Matt]

Speaking of work, I saw you did a brand deal with Chipotle, which was hilarious.

[Tay]

Yes.

[Matt]

I. I'm so curious. Was this your idea? Was this someone at Chipotle's idea that they pitched to you?

[Tay]

We love Chipotle. No, we just had, like, this really funny, parasocial relationship with the Chipotle account for, like, a really long time. And they love Taylor, and, yeah, he just did this. Really cool. Their Chipotle honey chicken is, like. It's back.

[Matt]

It's good. I've had it before.

[Tay]

It actually is really good. Like, I really enjoy it.

[Matt]

Are you more of, like, a tacos person? Like, burrito person?

[Tay]

I get. I will. Okay. I get. I'm a bowl person from Chipotle, but that's. Well, technically, I order the salad if I'm ordering it, like, through Postmates, because that's how you can get the vinaigrette. But if I'm in store, I'll get a bowl because the vinaigrette is the cherry on top for me.

[Matt]

And then whose idea was it to have this giant guacamole bowl with Taylor, like, in the.

[Tay]

That was. That was Chipotle. Taylor responded to something of theirs about the guac and was like, I could bathe in this stuff. And they. Then. They then came over and brought a giant bathtub of guac with a little, like, figure that's technically an action figure. I called it a figure figurine. But, like, Taylor from the Twilight franchise in the thing. And I truly just ate Guac for about five days and then it went bad so that I had to throw it out and it was devastating. Yeah.

[Matt]

Abby's brother used to work at Chipotle and I would like request that he would make the guac because he just knew how and. And he knew all the recipes, like in his head.

[Abby]

Yeah. Awesome. Like at our house, he'd be like, blake, do the Chipotle.

[Matt]

Make us a burrito.

[Tay]

That's so good. I.

[Abby]

It would actually take some fun time.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Matt]

And being in New York. Can we talk about what brought you out there and.

[Tay]

Yeah, okay. Yeah, no, I got to do just a lot of fun press. I mean, May's Mental Health Awareness Month. This will probably come out after Bae's over, but that's kind of just my super bowl. So I got to do a lot of fun, a lot of fun press and interviews. And I got to partner with Little Words Project, which is a little bracelet company. We have a bracelet that's out that says, you got this for Mental Health Awareness Month. And it's actually out for a while. But $5 from every brace, from every bracelet go towards the Lemons foundation, which is my non profit. So.

[Matt]

Very cool.

[Tay]

We teamed up on a bracelet for that. And then I do a lot of work with Maybelline too. They have a Brave Together program which does a lot of really awesome stuff in the mental health space. And we partnered together on a summit last year and I got to host a brunch with them in New York and we're doing some other stuff here in LA too, which is really fun. So yeah, it was great. And I love New York. So literally any excuse to get me there, I'm like, get me there. I love it.

[Matt]

And your non profit, tell me more about like the mission, the vision of, of it. Because it's been around now for a couple years, right?

[Tay]

Yeah, I think I'm like trying to do. I started it in like the middle of 2022, but it's a mental health based non profit. It's really just focused on making mental health like accessible and approachable and digestible. I think mental health can definitely be like a big scary thing. Especially after going through Covid. So many of us were struggling. Whether, you know, I worked as a nurse, anyone. Even if you were just, you know, at home, unemployed, like not working, you were struggling with your mental health. So I'm really big on just making resources, resources accessible. And like, I think there's a lot of beauty in the little things, like little breathing techniques or how to like Practice gratitude, like little things to just incorporate in your day. So that's what we focus on. And connecting people with the resources that they need, whether that's for, you know, sexual assault survivors, people with drug addiction, moms. Like, we. On our website, we have like all, like, there's basically just a bunch of categories and we have resources for kind of. For everything. So just kind of the middleman to help connect the dots and make life a little easier.

[Matt]

Obviously, you know, your nonprofit is. Is clearly doing cool things to help spread the word, raise awareness about mental health and, you know, depression, all those things. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you. You lost a friend to suicide couple years. Not a couple years ago, but, you know, five, ten years ago. We've. We've also lost a friend to suicide back in college. And I'm curious just from like, an advocacy standpoint, what, like, is there a certain charity or organization, you know, in. In addition to your nonprofit that you're like, oh, I like. This is. This is like. I really like what they do. I don't know if there's.

[Tay]

Yeah. Oh, I know. There's so many. And there's. That's. It's really cool because there is so many fun, like, organizations that, like, smaller ones that have popped up over the past few years that are really just like, talking about things. I mean, the biggest one is nami. They're the national alliance of Mental Illness. They're all over the US I have friends that have literally personally walked into, like, a NAMI center and been connected with, like, help to find either a peer to peer support group or professional help. So they do a lot of awesome stuff. There's. There's, honestly, like, so many. There's Project Healthy Minds. There's a lot, honestly, Go to Lemons by Tate. That's our Instagram. We basically just follow and collab with all of those accounts. Yeah.

[Matt]

That's so cool.

[Tay]

Yeah. And so many of them now have, like, social media too, which is great. And that's, like, how we get our information these days. So.

[Matt]

Yeah, because I think, like, it's cool that there's a suicide hotline that you can call. Yeah, yeah, it's. It's cool to know there's resources out there.

[Tay]

Yeah, that's.

[Matt]

That's sweet.

[Tay]

For sure.

[Matt]

What's like the. The vision for 2026 with the foundation. With, with your podcast? Because is the podcast directly tied to the foundation?

[Tay]

No, no, they're. They're. They are their own things. I mean, just more mental health stuff. I mean, Mental health as a mom is going to be something that I'm going to walk through for the first time and share. So, yeah, that's kind of. I'm. I'm leaving 2026 open. See what I. How I'm feeling. Well, I mean, I'm probably gonna have my baby and then be excited to go back to work to some degree, but I'm not putting any pressure on work, but just more. More mental health stuff. I have so many ideas of events I want to do and community outreach. And I love my job too. Like, both of these, both the podcast and my foundation are my jobs. So it's literally the best thing.

[Matt]

I love it. Okay, we got a little bit of a game we want to play with you.

[Tay]

Okay, perfect.

[Matt]

It's called this or that.

[Abby]

Yes. These are just fun, rapid fire. Okay. Easy pregnancy ones.

[Tay]

Okay.

[Abby]

Have your cravings been more sweet or salty?

[Tay]

Depends on the day. Today. Today was a girl Scout cookie day. So sweet.

[Abby]

Sweet for sure. This is telling us things that we need to note now. I'm just kidding. Huge meals or constant snacks?

[Tay]

Snacks. But honestly, that hasn't. That's been, like, my life. I have always been a snacky girl, but now it's just more snacks and larger portions of snacks.

[Abby]

Bigger snacks more often.

[Tay]

Yep.

[Matt]

What type of snacks are we going for?

[Tay]

Literally anything. Everything.

[Abby]

Do you feel super hungry?

[Tay]

Yes. My first. My first trimester, I literally, the hunger was hunger I've never experienced before. And this has gotten better. Like, I. It was probably, like, for the first, like, three, honestly, almost, maybe in four months, I was literally waking. Every time I'd wake up in the morning, I would need to eat a bar, like, right away. Like, I would need to eat something.

[Abby]

I get crackers by the bed now.

[Tay]

Now it's better. Now if I have, like, a proper dinner, then I can wake up and, like, be okay.

[Abby]

We can make the breakfast.

[Tay]

Yeah, we can. We can make it downstairs and make the food.

[Abby]

That's awesome. This one, I feel like we already kind of touched on this, but Pinterest mom or survival Mom?

[Tay]

I would. I'm in a manifest of Pinterest.

[Abby]

For me, I think that that feels right.

[Tay]

Okay, great.

[Abby]

Matching family pajamas or. Absolutely not of.

[Tay]

On Christmas.

[Abby]

Just Christmas.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Abby]

Yeah.

[Tay]

I haven't. Don't quote me on that. I haven't thought that far.

[Abby]

Maybe at Christmas.

[Tay]

I know I keep seeing little memes of, like, people holding a cat and, like, pretending it's like, they're, like, it's a match.

[Abby]

Match the baby with the dogs.

[Tay]

Oh, yeah.

[Abby]

We're on it.

[Tay]

Oh, I. Taylor and I have matched with our dogs before, so.

[Abby]

Yeah, you're for sure gonna do them pajamas.

[Tay]

Yeah. Well, yeah, that's. That's our Christmas tradition, so that one will say. But I don't know about everyday life.

[Abby]

Yeah, I feel like maybe that's a little bit much. Homemade baby food or Costco pouches?

[Tay]

Oh, I'm a. Both. I think I'm going to enjoy both. But I also think there's beauty and just a little grab and go little squeezy guy.

[Abby]

Scheduled day nights or spontaneous moments. I'm assuming this is like, proposed baby. Like, what?

[Tay]

Yeah, I love a schedule. So I have already told Taylor, like, I'm about to. To start, like, literally just penciling in a time because if you leave it up, then it doesn't happen.

[Abby]

It really was.

[Tay]

It's what I've been learning from people, that when I ask people for their mom advice and just like, wife advice, they're like, just like, schedule the. The time.

[Abby]

I'm totally honest. It's been maybe. Maybe a month for us.

[Matt]

We should go on a date right now after this podcast. Let's go on a date.

[Tay]

Before you can go to Eon.

[Matt]

We should go to Eon.

[Tay]

You can go to Eon.

[Matt]

Let's go to Erewhon for a date.

[Abby]

Get the fancy smoothie.

[Matt]

Or we could go to the plate. Yeah, we get the Hailey Bieber's movie. Or we could go to the place our Uber driver told us about on the way here.

[Abby]

My stomach can't do Mexican. That guy, Bless him. It sounds great, but not for where we're at right now. Team sleep training. Or we'll just figure it out.

[Tay]

I think sleep training. All my friends have done it and they say great things.

[Abby]

They're probably sleeping.

[Tay]

They. They are sleeping. That's why they love it.

[Abby]

More scared for labor or the sleep deprivation with labor.

[Tay]

I've. Yeah, I've. Not that I have. I'm not even gonna compare my experience of lack of sleep to what I'm about to go through, but I think working night shifts and really compare that.

[Matt]

That's hardcore. You can. Yeah, that's hardcore.

[Tay]

I've. I have dealt with lack of sleep, but, like, it's not a new thing for me.

[Abby]

Yeah.

[Matt]

So sleep deprivation is literally a form of torture. So I, you know, I. You have every right to complain about that.

[Abby]

Sounds.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Matt]

Honestly, I will be straight up with you. The sleep deprivation is the worst part about the newborn stage.

[Tay]

Yeah.

[Matt]

But it's. It's temporary.

[Abby]

But you also never went through labor, so I also.

[Matt]

And that's true. I'm gonna stop it right there.

[Abby]

I'm just kidding. I. I should say, like, Matt. Let's just put this out there. Matt literally did all of the nights with both of our babies. I did not see him or the baby except for when it came in to feed and change a diaper like you. So, like, Matt has more trauma from that than me because I didn't see it. So I have to give you a shout out because that's also very unusual. Most dads do not do that. Like, you crush that.

[Matt]

Thank you.

[Abby]

Ran you again.

[Matt]

Anything. Anything for you.

[Abby]

Mom chat. Mom group chats are absolutely never mom group chat.

[Tay]

Absolutely. I've been in one for a very long time.

[Abby]

This final one we can already end. So formula, rest, reading. You're saying whatever the baby wants.

[Tay]

Whatever the baby wants. The baby will get perfect. We'll have. We'll have all of the things ready. I'll be ready. The formula will be ready.

[Abby]

Yeah. One of the things that really shocked me postpartum thar first was a breast pump.

[Matt]

I was like, yeah.

[Abby]

You mean to tell me, I'm gonna stick this thing on there, it's gonna suck it up, and then milk is gonna come out? Like, I remember just being like, that's gnarly.

[Tay]

Yeah. No. Yeah. I don't even, like, know where to begin with that.

[Abby]

It's crazy.

[Tay]

It's gonna be a great experience.

[Abby]

It'll be a great experience.

[Tay]

I can't wait. I can't wait to learn it.

[Abby]

It'll be great.

[Matt]

Tay, this has been amazing. Thank you again for coming back on the show. And everyone, go check out the Squeeze, Tay's mental health podcast, as well as you can find her on all the socials, TikTok, Instagram, all that good stuff. And be sure to like this episode.

[Tay]

If you liked it, like, comment, subscribe, all the fun things.

[Abby]

You're so excited for you.

[Matt]

Yes. So, so excited.

[Abby]

Hoping it's a very seamless, peaceful experience for you.

[Tay]

I got you.

[Abby]

Yeah. Thank you.