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The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby

Episode: The Debt Trap, Combining Finances & Why You Shouldn’t Rent w/ Rachel Cruze
Guest: Rachel Cruze (Personal Finance Expert, author, and co-host of The Ramsey Show)
Date: September 3, 2025

Episode Overview

In this episode, Matt and Abby are joined by Rachel Cruze—personal finance expert, bestselling author, and daughter of Dave Ramsey—to discuss the big financial questions facing couples and young families: Should you combine finances in marriage? Is all debt really bad? What’s behind America’s obsession with car payments? And how do today’s shifting economic realities affect basic financial wisdom? Rachel brings in relatable examples from her own family and upbringing, backed by the Ramsey philosophy of zero consumer debt, married couples as true financial partners, and the emotional realities underlying money choices.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Debt & Financial Mindset

• All Debt Except Mortgages is a No-No: Rachel explains the Ramsey approach: car loans, credit cards, and consumer debt are to be avoided; only home mortgages—with conservative guidelines—are accepted.
  • “There's other controversial things we have takes on, like no debt. Like, no debt at all.” (Rachel, 01:34)
• The Emotional Cost of Payments: Debt creates a “level of bondage,” making people beholden to jobs and limiting life choices.
  • “You don't have autonomy over your money. Your income that comes in and hits your account...it's already spent.” (Rachel, 31:07)
• Main Barrier to Wealth—Car Payments: The average new car payment is nearly $700/month, and for families with two, it can be $1,400—a major block to wealth building.
  • “People are throwing away their retirement funds for it. And it's just not worth it because it's a car.” (Rachel, 24:24)

2. Combining Finances in Marriage

• Controversy and Pushback: Combining finances remains Rachel’s #1 “hot button” on social media, often triggering anger or fear.
  • “If it's like a low week on social, the girl that helps me, she's like, just throw up like a combined checking accounts, it'll spike.” (Rachel, 11:09)
• Fear & Individualism: Many fear merging accounts because it means relinquishing control and worsens vulnerability in a relationship, especially given divorce rates and past traumas.
  • “It's radical to say in today's world that when you get married, you're one in every part of your life...When you give that up to the other person, I think it's a level of risk.” (Rachel, 12:18)
• When Separate Accounts Make Sense: In cases of abuse, addiction, or neglect, separate finances are advisable to protect oneself and one’s family.
  • “If there is abuse, addiction, neglect...you have to protect yourself.” (Rachel, 14:46)
• Marriage Issues Masquerading as Money Fights: Most marital “money fights” are really about lack of communication, respect, or deeper relational issues.
  • “90% of them, it’s a marriage issue...You're seeing the holes in your marriage. It's coming out as money.” (Rachel, 13:31)

3. Spenders vs. Savers in Marriage

• Communication is Key: Approach money conflicts by expressing your feelings ("I feel nervous because...") rather than blaming ("You spent too much").
  • “Never say, like, what you're spending. It's your Target bags...talk about you.” (Rachel quoting Dr. John DeLoney, 17:52)
• The Other Side Matters: Both over-controlling savers and out-of-control spenders can derail financial health; both must self-reflect and compromise.
  • “You cannot have this much control over it. It's going to suffocate your life, you know?” (Rachel, 19:15)
• Budgeting and Plan: Creating an agreed-upon monthly plan helps provide clarity, boundaries, and guardrails for both partners’ habits.

4. Cars: Buy Used, Pay Cash, Avoid Payments

• Car Status as Trap: America’s car-as-status obsession leads to car payments eating up income and limiting wealth-building.
  • “Our cars have become a status symbol. It's become our value. Like when you drive a car, people see your car and automatically make judgments about you.” (Rachel, 24:04)
• Dealerships Want You in Debt: Car dealerships make more profit off financing than cash sales; it’s hard to buy used cars for cash from dealerships, but private sales allow more negotiation.
  • “A dealership will not [negotiate], because they don't make as much money. They want you to finance.” (Rachel, 27:44)
• If Trapped in Payments: Selling a too-expensive car may mean taking out a small loan to get into a cheaper, owned vehicle, then rapidly paying off the new, smaller loan.

5. Housing Market Realities

• Interest Rates & Affordability: Home purchases should use at least 5% down (20% is ideal), on a 15-year fixed-rate mortgage, with payments not exceeding 25% of take-home income.
  • “At least have 5% down...a 15-year fixed rate mortgage, where your mortgage payment is no more than 25% of your take home pay.” (Rachel, 46:20)
• Lowered Expectations Required: Because housing costs have skyrocketed, be prepared to “mourn” old expectations and accept a smaller house, further away, or a longer saving period to stay safe financially.
• Paid-off Home = Peace: Homeownership is about stability and peace, especially approaching retirement—not maximizing leverage or speculation.
  • “Having a paid off home...that's the big goal, to have everything paid off.” (Rachel, 49:46)

6. Family Finances: Transitioning to One Income & Budgeting with Kids

• Know Your Expenses First: Before going from two incomes to one (like when a parent wants to stay home), tally all actual expenses and see if life is possible on less—often, drastic lifestyle adjustments are necessary.
  • “You have to figure out first and foremost what your expenses are...” (Rachel, 32:12)
• Values Over Culture: Don’t let societal judgment (“How could you stay home?” or “How could you keep working?”) dictate your decision—do what’s best for your family, and be open to change.
  • “Nothing is forever. Decisions we make are so seasonal.” (Rachel, 35:12)
• Respect Reality & Each Other: Spouses must be real about prices and not assume the other is overspending out of carelessness; money spent often covers true family needs.

7. Teaching Kids about Money

• Integrate Lessons into Daily Life: Rachel’s parents didn’t make money talks formal—opportunities for lessons were woven through regular life (chores for allowance, living with the consequences of spending, making do when things break).
  • “You find these moments in life to use them as teachable moments.” (Rachel, 55:15)
• Don’t Bail Out on Poor Choices: Letting kids feel the regret and limitations of their spending builds lifelong money wisdom.
  • “When you're out of money, you're out of money, so we gotta go work and make more money. That's how you live.” (Rachel, 04:18)
• Personality Differences: Each child is unique—some are natural spenders, some savers. Recognize and guide accordingly.
  • “You'll learn this with your kids. They have different money personalities.” (Rachel, 55:58)

8. Contentment, Social Media & Emotional Spending

• Battling Consumerism: A constant onslaught of social media posts, trends, and must-haves make contentment harder and drive impulse buying.
  • “I found myself asking the question, if nobody sees this purchase, do I still want it?” (Rachel, 58:16)
• Self-Reflection: Understanding your own triggers and motivations—Do you buy for others’ approval? For boredom?—yields control.
  • “So much of my motivation was for other people. And I'm like, what does that say about me?” (Rachel, 58:49)
• Good Stuff Isn’t Bad: Enjoying quality or new things is fine—just don’t let possessions “have you,” especially if it means going into debt or tying your self-worth to things.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Merging Finances is an Act of Intimacy:

  • “When you do that, you have a level of depth and intimacy with this person that you're combining so much more than just money with...you're combining your life and your fears and your dreams.” (Rachel, 12:46)

• Most Money Fights Aren’t about Money:

  • “90% of them, it's a marriage issue. It's not a money issue...It's lack of communication, lack of respect.” (Rachel, 13:31)

• On the Temptation of Status Cars:

  • “We have taken that on. And I hate it because I'm like, it's for like two seconds at a stoplight, that you feel really great and there's, you know, and that's it.” (Rachel, 24:04)

• On Living Below Your Means:

  • “You gotta live like no one else so you can live like no one else.” (Matt, 52:48)

• On Kids & Consequences:

  • “If you don't as an adult, you can go down the avenue of debt...if you don't have money, you're out of money, so we gotta go work and make more money.” (Rachel, 04:18)

• On Contentment & Social Media Pressures:

  • “If nobody sees this purchase, do I still want it?” (Rachel, 58:16)

Important Timestamps

• Combining finances—why it's so controversial: 00:34–02:22, 11:04–13:24
• Rachel’s childhood ‘Careless at the Carnival’ story—money lessons for kids: 02:37–04:50
• Marriage, money fights, and when to keep finances separate: 13:24–16:54
• Dealing with spendy (or tightfisted) partners: 17:26–20:06
• The new vs. used car debate, car loans & America’s auto payment trap: 21:48–29:12
• The bondage of debt and regaining financial autonomy: 30:54–31:46
• How to plan for single income after having kids: 31:46–36:15
• Budgeting, real costs, and communicating spending in marriage: 37:07–38:47
• Explaining money choices to kids and comparison with other families: 40:49–42:28
• Home buying advice—affordability rules, 15yr vs. 30yr mortgages, asset vs. liability: 44:22–52:09
• Contentment, emotional spending, and social media’s impact: 57:46–60:49
• Teaching young kids about money (rhythms, not lectures): 54:16–57:26

Closing Thoughts

Rachel Cruze’s approach isn’t about flashy hacks or headline-grabbing shortcuts. It’s the slow, steady, emotionally intelligent path—understanding your partner, knowing your “why,” respecting your money’s real limits, prioritizing long-term security, and teaching your kids by example. This episode centers on the idea that financial health isn’t just about numbers, but about relationships, values, and resilience in a world full of easy debt, quick fixes, and social comparison.

Where to find Rachel Cruze:

• [Instagram, TikTok, Facebook]
• [The Rachel Cruze Show Podcast & YouTube]
• Co-host of [The Ramsey Show] and [Smart Money Happy Hour]