VBAC, Mood Swings & Skipping Our Babymoon

Summary

The Unplanned Podcast with Matt & Abby

Episode: VBAC, Mood Swings & Skipping Our Babymoon

Release Date: June 10, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this candid and engaging episode, Matt and Abby catch up after a season packed with family travel, share the latest updates about their third pregnancy—including big changes to their birth plan (considering a VBAC: Vaginal Birth After Cesarean)—and get vulnerable about pregnancy symptoms, relationship dynamics, and the emotional rollercoaster of preparing for another baby. They also play a fun "Ultimate Pregnancy Quiz" and discuss relatable topics like mood swings, "sympathy symptoms," and skipping the traditional babymoon for a nesting weekend.

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Main Topics & Key Discussion Points

1. Travel Recap & Babymoon Thoughts

Timestamps: 01:07–06:07

• Recent Trips: The couple has been traveling extensively (Lake Tahoe, Hawaii, Disneyland, New York) before Abby becomes too far along to travel.
• Travel Reflections: Abby enjoys trips but prefers coming home, while Matt feels energized by new environments:

  “I love to live on the edge, baby. I love just being out in... especially nature.” – Matt (02:08)

• Babymoon Decision: Abby vetoes the idea of squeezing in an RV adventure pre-baby, emphasizing the need to stay home and "nest" rather than travel anymore.

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2. Family Time & Sentiments on Change

Timestamps: 05:12–09:44

• Last "Family of Four" Trip: Hawaii was treasured as a "family moon"—the last getaway before the new baby arrives.
• Travel Mishaps: Staying in a house with a water leak brought new appreciation for everyday comforts.
• Pregnancy Fatigue: Abby hits the "third trimester wall" well ahead of schedule:

  “I hit the point at 28 weeks this pregnancy that I feel like I hit the other two times at, like 35 weeks where I'm just like, you know. Yeah, just a little bit, like, you know, uncomfortable.” – Abby (09:44)

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3. Pregnancy Journey: Gratitude and Hardships

Timestamps: 09:50–13:32, 78:05–79:28

• Navigating Back-to-Back Pregnancies: Abby reflects on a year of being pregnant or postpartum after loss, feeling both grateful and physically drained.

  "I'm so grateful to have a big bump and to be this far along. Because after the loss, I literally was like, that’ll never be me again." – Abby (10:30)

• Appreciation from Listeners: The couple reads touching reviews from listeners who relate to their journey after loss and the reality of parenting.

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4. Hilarious and Vulnerable Moments: Social Bathroom Etiquette & Mood Swings

Timestamps: 15:16–18:42; 72:36–77:33

• Embarrassing Encounters: Abby recounts experiencing “poop shyness” after meeting a listener in a bakery bathroom.
• Sympathy Symptoms & Mood Swings:
  • Matt jokes about "sympathy weight" and his own “areolas getting bigger.”
  • Abby describes pregnancy mood swings:

    “It feels like I have an Angel Abby and a Devil Abby. And then Angel Abby gets too scared to say anything to Devil Abby. And so then Devil Abby just, like, takes over.” – Abby (76:16)

  • Memorable practice script:

    “Hey, this feels like a big reaction. I understand you're pregnant. Thank you so much for growing my baby. Would you like a hug or some space?” – Matt (76:01)

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5. Home Organization, Nesting Energy, & Skipping the Babymoon

Timestamps: 22:29–26:46

• Nesting Instincts Over Babymoon: Abby plans to use energy for home prep:

  “Let’s just make things as simple as possible. That's what we're gonna try to do.” – Abby (26:27)

• Lists of To-Dos: Sorting baby clothes, organizing, running through the nesting checklist.

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6. Fun & Learning: The Ultimate Pregnancy Quiz

Timestamps: 26:31–45:06

• Husband vs. Wife: Abby and Matt quiz each other on pregnancy, childbirth, and baby trivia, blending humor with vulnerability about what they know—and hilariously, what they don’t.
• Notable Moments:
  • "How many bones does a newborn have?" ...300, versus 206 in adults, due to bones fusing as we age.
  • Discussion about “lightning crotch,” "colostrum," and newborn care, leading to laughs and admissions of nervous first-time parenthood.

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7. Changing the Birth Plan: Considering a VBAC

Timestamps: 49:16–66:46

• Backstory: Abby explains her history—first labor involved shoulder dystocia and a fractured clavicle, leading to a C-section with her second child.
• This Pregnancy: With the third baby measuring smaller, her OB is supportive of attempting a VBAC.

  “I want to be transparent... I know that me talking about my birth plans will trigger something... There are so many opinions even given my own history and also our baby's set of health conditions, too.” – Abby (52:00)

• Handling Opinions: Acknowledges every practitioner (OB, MFM, doula) has given different advice; they're charting a balanced, “open-handed” path.
• Risks Discussed:
  • Uterine rupture risk is about 0.5-1%.
  • Abby: “I feel really confident about, like, how this is gonna go. I just keep telling myself that we're gonna spontaneously go into labor right around 38 weeks, and it's gonna be beautiful and amazing.” (58:02)
• Role of a Doula: Abby considers hiring one for advocacy and support, even though she plans to get an epidural.

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8. Navigating Delivery Fears & Mindset

Timestamps: 61:00–66:46

• Birth Anxiety: Open talk about how previous trauma and uncertainty affects both of them.

  “How do you feel about seeing me go through labor again… Are you scared?” – Abby (62:20) “Yeah. I'm just going to do my best to just be there for you and love on you.” – Matt (63:12)

• Hypnobirthing & Mindfulness: Remembering how meditations and a TENS machine helped Abby through transition last time.

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9. Pregnancy Health & “Miracle Cure” for Headaches

Timestamps: 68:47–72:36

• Glucose Test Discovery: Abby realizes her headaches were due to low blood sugar; drinking a sugary drink in the afternoon fixed them.

  “I did the glucose test... my glucose was off the charts low. So I think I have low blood sugar... I haven't had a headache since.” – Abby (69:08)

• Other Physical Changes: Grappling with frequent bathroom trips, “pit boobs” (milk developing in her armpit), and general discomfort.

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10. Closeness, Coping, and Looking Forward

Timestamps: 79:29–end

• Empathy and Humor in Partnership: Matt and Abby reflect on adjusting to the demands of family life with grace and laughter.

  “What a gift it is to be uncomfortable right now. Like, seriously. I am so grateful for that.” – Abby (78:34)

• Looking Ahead: Preparing for labor, more “positive VBAC stories,” and planning their 200th podcast episode celebration.
• Quirky but Real:

  “I forgot to say that my milk came in my left armpit two nights ago… Pit boobs.” – Abby (80:54)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Travel Burnout vs. Inspiration:

  “I like a trip, but it feels really good to come home and to eat a home cooked meal.” – Abby (02:01) “Being in new environments just inspires me… every city, every part of the world has just its own DNA.” – Matt (02:35)

• On Pregnancy Fatigue:

  “I've been pregnant for a year now… I'm over it.” – Abby (10:37)

• On Nesting:

  “I need systems in place before we bring this baby into the world.” – Abby (25:00)

• On New Birth Plan:

  “So as of right now, the birth plan is to do a VBAC.” – Abby (54:25) “I just keep telling myself that we're going to spontaneously go into labor right around 38 weeks and it's going to be beautiful and amazing.” – Abby (58:02)

• On Mood Swings:

  “It feels like I have an Angel Abby and a Devil Abby. And then Angel Abby gets too scared to say anything to Devil Abby. And so then Devil Abby just, like, takes over.” – Abby (76:16)

• On Sympathetic Pregnancy Symptoms:

  “You did point out to me that my areolas are bigger.” – Matt (73:16) “I think it was body shaming is what it was.” – Matt (73:20)

• On Humor in Marriage:

  “If we get one of these humanoid robots that can play with your hair, then I’m screwed.” – Matt (47:14) “I'm not letting a robot freaking touch me. That ain't happening.” – Abby (47:39)

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Useful Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:07 – Post-ad catch-up & travel recap
• 05:15 – Sentimentality around family travel
• 09:44 – Entering the “third trimester wall”
• 22:29 – Abby’s detailed nesting to-do list
• 26:31 – The Ultimate Pregnancy Quiz begins
• 49:16 – Full dive into the VBAC decision
• 61:00 – Discussion on mindset for labor & hiring a doula
• 68:47 – Headache “miracle cure” (glucose/sugar) discovery
• 72:36 – Sympathy symptoms and mood swings
• 76:01 – Couples’ “script” for handling mood swings
• 78:34 – Gratitude despite discomfort
• 80:54 – “Pit boobs” and candid late-pregnancy body changes

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Summary

This episode is a lively, heartfelt look at real life, love, and family growth as Matt and Abby prepare for their third child. Listeners get a front-row seat to their honest conversations about adjusting to new risks and uncertainties, the reality of pregnancy (from mood swings to “pit boobs”), and the importance of supporting each other despite stress and exhaustion. The tone swings from vulnerable to lighthearted, laced with humor, practical tips, and the wisdom that comes from parenting together.

Those who haven't listened will find this summary gives a full and vivid sense of the episode’s heart, laughs, and lessons.

Transcript

[A]

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[B]

Yeah, left your body.

[A]

I went to another.

[B]

You might want to just get the epidural a little bit sooner than last time. No, you're gonna push it.

[A]

Maybe we just try to do this. Crunchy.

[B]

This is the first time you're saying this to me.

[A]

As of right now, the birth plan is to do a vbac.

[B]

The concern that people listening to this right now is probably what if your uterus ruptures? Because it is a risk.

[A]

I just keep telling myself that we're gonna spontaneously go into labor right around 38 weeks and it's gonna be beautiful and amazing. You' sympathy symptoms now I think about it.

[B]

You did point out to me that my areolas are bigger.

[A]

You pointed it out and what's said,

[B]

I think it was body shaming is what it was.

[A]

Nuh.

[B]

What's up, dudes? Welcome back to another episode of Unplanned. We have been doing so much travel before. Abby can't travel anymore with her getting further and further in this pregnancy. So we have a lot to catch up on. Got a game that we want to play with you guys to follow along with and we have some really exciting news we wanted to share as well. So thanks for being here.

[A]

Potentially.

[B]

Yeah, potentially really exciting news. Got like some big changes in the birth plans. We'll get to that in a second. But baby, we just got back from

[A]

Lake Tahoe and before that we went

[B]

to Hawaii and before that we went

[A]

to Disneyland and I also went to New York in there.

[B]

At this point, I kind of want to just become like a travel YouTube couple.

[A]

I don't know how those people do it.

[B]

I love it. Guys, we've, we've like had people on our show before that do travel content and they don't even have a house. They just, they literally just like fly all over the world and make videos and I think that sounds really fun.

[A]

Yeah, I mean, I like a trip, but it feels really good to come home and to like eat a home cooked meal.

[B]

That's where we're different.

[A]

Go to the gym.

[B]

I love to live on the edge, baby. I love, I love just being out in. Especially nature. Isn't there something like beautiful like when we were in Tahoe, when you looked out at that lake. Especially when we're on the gondola super high up.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

It just takes my breath away just how beautiful our world is. I just really appreciate that. Thought it was cool.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think you would actually like doing it full time. I think because even after like a 10 day trip you're like, okay, I'm really. It feels really good to be home.

[B]

I think being in new environments just inspires me and gets me excited. And I love meeting people from all over too. I think every, every city, every part of the country in the world has just its own DNA. It's just so unique and interesting and I think it's fun. I think it's really fun.

[A]

No, I agree. I just am like full time would be crazy. Especially because now I'm like, I'm pretty burnt out from travel.

[B]

Okay. Yeah.

[A]

I don't want to be on a frickin airplane.

[B]

Hey, I can. Which that's why we would, you know, need to do van. Right. You know, live in a van.

[A]

That is worse. Car travel is so much worse.

[B]

No, I do think it's sick though,

[A]

you guys even just driving to our friend's house 30 minutes away. Last night I was.

[B]

Oh the. It would take like some getting used to driving around a vehicle of that size. But the people that have like Those big old RVs where you got, you know, multiple beds inside and a kitchen.

[A]

Yeah. You've been talking about this more and more and it's making me itchy.

[B]

I think we need to rent an RV and like see how it would be doing that, you know, I mean,

[A]

I'll give it a shot. I've never done anything like that. Nor have you. So like your confidence in like this being the best thing ever. It's really not based in much.

[B]

There's. There's a movie about. I think it's called rv. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's the title of the movie.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And it's. It's with the guy from why am I literally being so Dumb? He plays the genie in Aladdin. What is his name?

[A]

You're kidding me. Robin.

[B]

Robin Williams. Gosh dang it. Mrs. Doubtfire.

[A]

That came out. We were kids. I remember watching it. When did that come out?

[B]

Rv? It was when we were kids.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like the scene I remember from that movie is where the poop gets all over him when he's, like, trying to connect.

[A]

We watch a movie tonight. I should.

[B]

Yeah, I bet you it's on one of the streaming services. Okay, well, surely it is, but that movie, you know, it shows, like, all the ups and downs of RV life. I've never done anything.

[A]

We'll watch the movie and we'll decide if we want to try that. But you're talking about before this baby comes.

[B]

No, we did whatever you want, babe.

[A]

Whatever happen.

[B]

Whatever you want.

[A]

That is not happening. I, I, it will be way too hot.

[B]

I will say, though, you've been doing some, some girls trips. You got a little, you know, got a granny's weekend coming up this weekend. I might, I might be taking a little bit of staycation. I might be taking the boys on some sort of adventure, just like me and them. You're getting deep into the third trimester. Not deep, but, like, you're just getting

[A]

further, further awkward about at the time. So someone at the gym today was like, that's close. I'm like, is it, though?

[B]

You got, you had two months. Got two months left. How do you feel about the trips that we took? Which one was your, which, what was your favorite trip that we took?

[A]

Okay, let's start with Hawaii. That was fun because it was just the four of us.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And that's like our last trip. Just the four of us.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So that was fun and nostalgic in a way, like. Yeah, I don't know if nostalgic's the right word, but it was sentimental. That's the word. Because it was just the last time. Like, it was like a family moon in a way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And so getting to just be us and the kids is really sweet. That was the first time we actually, like, stayed at a resort resort for. We stayed there for four nights. And that was really fun. The kids loved it. And we're really bummed when we just moved into a house, but it was a beautiful house and we had a great time there, too. And so we kind of got to explore both sides of the island and totally different climates, too, because we were staying higher in elevation, so it was cooler. Run a volcano. And that was just really, that was fairly slow paced, I would say.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And fun. And then, yeah, the boys had so much fun. They just really love the water and adventure and try new things.

[B]

They're beach kids. Like, when we went to the beach in Lake Tahoe, Griffin literally said out loud, this is the best day ever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he meant it.

[A]

Yeah, he meant it. Was a lake. It wasn't even a be. Were those man made?

[B]

That's the thing. I don't know for sure. I'm gonna guess that the lake is so big that it does make a natural beach.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

I think.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

But who knows?

[A]

That's one of those things I'll never find out because. Yeah, I don't really know how sand comes to be in a location.

[B]

What's crazy about Lake Tahoe though? I didn't want to say this while we were out on the water to freak anybody out, but when I was researching sharks. No, but when I was researching boats and things about the water, the, the weather can change pretty quickly and you can actually get pretty like decent sized waves on the lake and I believe it's massive. Like, and there's been boats that have capsized and there was one a year ago that like everybody died on the, on the boat. So.

[A]

Okay. Your dad was kind of gunning it at one point and it was getting a little choppy there.

[B]

I know, Yeah. I thought I was driving the boat fast. My dad was driving faster than I was, wasn't he?

[A]

I think so.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I was also in the front when your dad was driving and in the back when you were driving.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But yeah, I just thought about the fact we didn't mention this, but when we stayed in Hawaii the last couple days, the house had a water leak and so we had no running water

[B]

in the house water.

[A]

It was a little bit. It got a little nasty there for a minute.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That, that was no toilet flushing situation.

[B]

We were just leaving toilet.

[A]

No hand washing situation.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

No dishwashing situation.

[B]

What we ended up doing to help. Help our buddy out, who. It's his house that we were staying at, we ended up just shutting the water off so that it wasn't leaking water.

[A]

It was like gushing water.

[B]

Yeah. Because the, the, like the water line, it was like gushing into the street. You could see it.

[A]

Their water bill was just going up by the second.

[B]

We, we needed to turn the water on to like be able to shower and cook and flush the toilet. But after we had to have it on for, you know, 15 minutes, we'd go and turn it off. So that, you know, having running water is such a blessing. Oh my gosh.

[A]

Yeah. It makes you really grateful.

[B]

You're like, oh, I love having running water is great. Turning a faucet on, air conditioning is great. You know, we, because that house that we stayed at in Hawaii, no air conditioning.

[A]

No air conditioning, but it was fine. It would Get a little stuffy in the afternoon, but then you just open the windows and cooled off. Yeah, it was great. So that was fun. Tahoe was fun. We were just hanging out with your family.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Me and Abby were saying, my sister in law, who was also on the trip because it was me, Matt, our two kids, and then my brother and sister in law and their two kids, and then my other brother in law and then my mother and father in law, like your parents. And so it was like the perfect amount of time for everyone to be together with the perfect size space where we, like, had to hang out, but you could still get alone time wanted. And we did, like, a lot of activities, like at the front end of the day and then had restful afternoons and then regrouped for dinner time and watched a movie. Like, we felt fell into a really good, like, pattern on that vacation. It was, like, really sweet, that one. I was like a bump on a log. I'm telling you, I'm hitting the point in, like, I hit the point at 28 weeks this pregnancy that I feel like I hit the other two times at, like 35 weeks where I'm just like, you know. Yeah, just a little bit, like, you know, uncomfortable.

[B]

Yeah, that's what they. That's what they say.

[A]

Tired. Nauseous again. I'm. I'm getting nauseous. I have similar pregnancy aversions that I did in the first trimester already again. What's going on?

[B]

I think it's just. You're hitting that time.

[A]

Why so early?

[B]

Where your butt, like, am I just becoming weaker? And I. I don't think you're becoming weaker. I think.

[A]

I think I am.

[B]

I think you're just getting hit with all those symptoms and all those feelings all over again. And I remember with the last. The last pregnancies that. That we've been. Or the last time that you were in the third trimester, at least I remember just how much you were saying, get this baby out of me.

[A]

Was I saying that?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You said that so much. Well, I'm also just realizing with Griffin and with Augie, you were just so ready in the third, so for the baby to come out.

[A]

Yeah. Well, I'm also really. I've literally been pregnant for a year now. Like, we found out we were pregnant with Emerson in June of last year, and there was just that time, like, I don't know how long that was, less than two months in between, and that was still like a postpartum similar experience. So I'm like, I've just been. I'm over it. Like, right now. I'm not over it. I don't even want to say over it because I'm so grateful to have, like, a big bump and to be, like, this far along. Because I'm telling you, after the loss, I literally was like, that'll never be. See me again. I can never see myself getting to the third trimester again. Yeah, I can never see myself, like, getting to the point where we're, like, actually making birth plans, like, X, Y and Z. But, like, the fact that we're here, I'm, like, so grateful. But I'm also, like, wow, that's, like, taking a physical toll. Like, all of that. Like, it's a lot back to back to back.

[B]

So you've been pregnant for so much of your life?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

The past couple of years.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you feel, like, depleted of resources?

[A]

No.

[B]

Well, does it feel like your body needs some, like, recharge?

[A]

No, I feel like I felt good and then I just, like, ran into a wall where I was like, no, I don't feel good. I'm not good.

[B]

Okay. Well, we did discover something recently, though, which we can get to more and more later.

[A]

I guess that might have been why. Yeah. Well, actually, before we get too far into it, we want to say thank you so much to those of you that have subscribed to our channel. Yes, to the unplanned podcast. We really, really, really appreciate it. We appreciate you watching, of course, and liking and commenting and also just subscribing really just seals the deal. And especially those that leave reviews on other platforms too. If you're listening on Apple podcasts or Spotify. So we want to shout out bae504 who said thank you. 5 stars. I'm incredibly grateful for your podcast. It has helped me heal a lot over the past year after my loss. Knowing I have a supportive space that I'm not alone means the world to me. Thank you for making me feel not alone and guilty for having another baby after loss. It's really sweet.

[B]

That's really sweet.

[A]

Do you want to read another review? Because this one's really sweet too, and I feel like you'd relate to it.

[B]

This is one from Maddiemp 22. She said, such a good distraction. I've been a silent follower since they first started YouTube. I look forward to the podcast every week. I recently got diagnosed with ADHD as an adult and postpartum, so this is such a nice distraction to zone out and listen to when I'm doing the dishes or my son is asleep in the car. Thank you guys for your conversations and you all are so inspiring. That's so sweet.

[A]

It's so nice. Actually, I should say that's a really great thing about traveling is that gotten to meet so many of you that I never thought I'd get to meet like in places like New York or when we were in Hawaii or when like all over. Yeah, it was so Tahoe. So cool getting to meet you guys like, and it always feels so special, especially when we're traveling because you're like, what are the odds?

[B]

It was really sweet. There was this, this grandma on the flight that we were on to Maui a couple weeks ago and she stopped me on my way walking down the aisle with the boys.

[A]

She had already said hi to me

[B]

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[A]

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[A]

I have a less than sweet interaction, I got to tell you.

[B]

You had a less than sweet interaction.

[A]

No, no, they were sweet. I made it sour by accident.

[B]

What happened? Wait, tell me what happened.

[A]

So I was in New York with Abby and Addie, and we were at, like, after we went to the show, and it's like, late at night. We were like, we need a sweet treat. You went to this, like, bakery, and I.

[B]

What? What?

[A]

And I have had a lot of gi Problems this pregnancy.

[B]

Oh, gosh.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So then what. What went down?

[A]

So I had a cannoli, and then, you know, 10 minutes later, it's like, well, gotta go, gotta go. And there's one bathroom at this place, and there's a line, and I'm like, oh, dear Lord, please let this door open. And I had to funnel through, like, three more people before I get to meet. And there's a daughter and her father. Like, she's like, probably in high school.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And she was like, hey, love your podcast, by the way. And she was, like, so sweet. And I think that she, like, shares a birthday, like, with this baby's due date. And we were, like, talking, and then her dad was there, and he was super sweet. Her brother was there. We start talking, they're like, hey, no, you're pregnant. You go first. You go first. And I'm like, no, you go first. Even though I really needed to go, I was like, no, you go first. And so they're like, no, we insist. They were so nice. I didn't blow it up. Don't worry.

[B]

But you went first.

[A]

I went first. And then I got so poop shy that I just, like.

[B]

Did you flush like, seven times?

[A]

No, I only peed.

[B]

Okay. You didn't even go.

[A]

No, I was. There was an audience outside the door. And also this random place had an unlocked, like, utility closet that, like, seemed like it could keep going. And I was like, there's someone in that closet. I just. I. I needed to be comfortable. I wasn't comfortable enough.

[B]

Do you feel guilty if you ever have to poop on a plane?

[A]

No. Cuz I'm like, I got to do this.

[B]

See? Why. Why did I not feel guilty until

[A]

our friends made fun of you at our friend.

[B]

Yeah, our friends made fun of me.

[A]

Matt pooped out of at a friend function.

[B]

We were at a friend function. I just had to go. They were writing notes in there for probably, like, four minutes, and they put. They slipped a note underneath the door, and they're like, this is a Social rule that you don't break.

[A]

Well, was it stinking through the door?

[B]

No, it was just. I think. I think somebody. I don't want to say who, had a change of feminine hygiene products and they needed to get in. But, like, it's not. Like I was in there for 15 minutes. I was in there for maybe five minutes. Maybe five minutes. But, like, as soon as the note was in there, I, Like, I was out. Like, I. I wrapped it. I was so embarrassed.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, of course.

[A]

I think they were just joking, Matt.

[B]

But I do. But I do know, like, they're just

[A]

teasing you out of love.

[B]

But back to the plane thing. I've heard flight attendants audibly make fun of people that blew up the bathroom.

[A]

Well, they have to stand there the whole time.

[B]

They do. Like, one time I was going. I was heading back to the bathroom on a plane, and the flight attendants were like, just so you know that that guy just blew it up.

[A]

That's not good.

[B]

And I thought, is that. Is this against company policy?

[A]

Those flight attendants, you don't know what you're getting?

[B]

Yeah, there's some. There's some flight attendants that just do not get.

[A]

They give no f. Which I don't blame them. I'm like, they're having such odd hours, long days. They're having, like, cranky people because they're tired.

[B]

My thing is, I just want them to be. I just want them to be nice to me. Because we've. We've had flight attendants before. I mean, we've. We've done a lot of flights, though. So.

[A]

No, most of them aren't really nice.

[B]

Yeah, we've met some super nice ones. Met some not so nice ones. We've. We've. We've had every experience of flight attendant.

[A]

Well, when you fly as much as we have, I'm so over flying at this point, so I'm glad that we only have one more. One more trip. Yeah, it's just the. The cabin pressure with. Whenever you're at this stage, it, like, tightens your uterus or something and makes the baby go crazy. And I start to feel freak out. Like, I just. I'm like. It's just an uncomfortable feeling. And this baby's so low that I'm like, I don't want to sit, like, 90 degrees. Like, when they're like, you have to put your seats back up. And I'm like, no, not this angle on my lower back. But yeah, it's been good. And Matt did kind of mention they probably have no idea what you mean by A granny trip?

[B]

Yeah, let's explain.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So you're going on a granny triple. How would you explain a granny trip is to someone who's never heard of it before?

[A]

A couple of my friends were like, they f. I think they got this idea from someone on Instagram, but they were like, you know, everyone that we're friends with really is basically in the same season of life as us. Like, they have little kids also pregnant, maybe, or just like, you know, you're in the throes of parenting little children, and they're like, honestly, what sounds the best is not, like, going out and going. Getting drinks and getting all dressed up and staying up late. Like, what we really want to do is just do what grannies love to do, which is, you know, sit around, read books, do puzzles, eat cookies, go on walks, drink tea, and sleep a lot. And so that's what we're going to do. And I don't know if I'm going to stay both nights because it's just a staycation, so I can kind of bump from home to, like, the house. But it'll be fun. I even am going to surprise him with some little granny nightgowns. That'll be fun.

[B]

That's cute.

[A]

So, yeah, that'll be fun. Probably I'll get to finish my book and just sleep a little extra. But, yeah, I feel kind of guilty because I'm. Since I hit this point, I, like, ran into the wall. I'm going to call it the third trimester wall. I ran into the wall seven weeks early. This pregnancy, you've been really picking up some slack. And I am so grateful that I have you because I. I mean, a lot of people don't, like, their husband, first of all, isn't capable of filling in, or they just, like, because of work or whatever. Like, that you have that flexibility because of, like, you guys essentially like that we get to do this, but then also that, like, you do it so seamlessly. The kids literally don't even notice a difference. They're like, oh, yeah. Like, in fact, they prefer you. So I'm like, this is. What am I here for?

[B]

No, they love you, I think. Wasn't it Augie, he was, like, going back and forth on who he wanted to get out of bed this morning with him. He said, me. And then he said, you. And then I wanted you to sleep, so I convinced.

[A]

Yeah, I've been doing that, like, every morning. And then you do. So you've been doing the morning routine and the night routine. Are you so sick of Me being a lazy bum.

[B]

I love our boys.

[A]

You do it because you love them.

[B]

They're the best, and I love you.

[A]

Thank you. So, yeah, I've just been hitting a wall, but my second trimester was great. I feel like the whole second trimester was amazing. I feel like that's a tale as old as time, though. Yeah, Everyone has an easy second trimester. Yeah, I shouldn't say everyone, but I feel like that's just, like. You know, legend has it that's when you're, like, glowing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You feel good. You have a cute little bump, but you're not uncomfortable yet. Like, the nausea's gone, but the pubic pain isn't there yet, so that was good. Yeah, I definitely hit it, like, literally right at the third trimester.

[B]

I was like, I don't envy you. And I. I'm honestly just. It's amazing what. What you women are able to do with carrying around a human that. That big inside your belly. It's. It's crazy. It's actually insane.

[A]

I. Like, here's the thing. I don't even want this to be, like, complaining, because I'm so happy and I'm so grateful, but it is. Like, I've just kind of gotten to the point where I'm, like, so overwhelmed by the amount of time left. Like, I know it's soon, but it also feels so far. But I'm also grateful that it's not that soon because we have a lot to do. In fact, I actually told Matt yesterday. I was like, we can't go on a baby moon because we have too much to do around this place. Which, like, he doesn't see it because he doesn't have the nesting hormones. But I'm like, this whole house needs to be upended. Like, get all the junk out of here. Get organization bins in. Who's that lady who, like, get. Makes you be a minimalist and, like, has baskets for everything? Need her. Bring her on.

[B]

That'd be great.

[A]

Yeah, bring her on down for that. Just kind of shake out this house. We need to get. We need to probably get a bassinet. We need to get.

[B]

Yeah, speak.

[A]

Speak to, like, bottle stuff.

[B]

What is your.

[A]

I need to get binkies.

[B]

Probably tell me more about what your. Your mind and body is telling you about nesting right now. Like, what's the. What's the main. The main issue that you're seeing?

[A]

There's so many issues with the house.

[B]

See, the problem is I don't. I, I, I, I. I will get the boys.

[A]

We got to get the boys zero to three months out and probably also the three to six months out wash all that. And then we gotta find a place to keep this baby's clothes and pajamas and stuff. We need to set up a bassinet. We probably need to set up a bouncer. We need to get. I don't know, this time I want all the gadgets that we never had for some reason, like a bottle warmer. That would be amazing. We need to get glass bottles this time because now I'm anti plastic on only some things and other things, apparently. And then we need new binkies. We need to choose which swaddle we're going to get. I don't think we need to pack a hospital bag yet, but I mean, that'll be down the line. We need to figure out where to store diapers. We need to organize every single cabinet in our entire house, including the mud room and the kitchen. Go through all the kids toys.

[B]

And that's why we're not doing a baby moon this year.

[A]

Yeah, there's just too much to do.

[B]

We. So Abby proposed this idea to me. She was like, hey, what if instead of a baby moon, we do a nesting moon? And so we drop the kids off at grandma and papa's and we have the house to ourselves and we can just nest for the whole weekend. And I think that's what we're doing. I think. I mean, according to everything you're saying,

[A]

it's less fun, but yeah, definitely not as very necessary.

[B]

But we have got to do some fun travel.

[A]

We just haven't done so much travel. It's like, it's like it's not necessary.

[B]

All the travel hasn't been. Maybe we just need. We need to find. We need to do our consistent date night once a week again. I feel like we haven't been on

[A]

a date in so long.

[B]

We haven't. I mean, we've done double dates with people.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

We've done a lot of, like, hangouts with family. We've done family trips, but just the two of us. I don't think we've had the two of us in. Gosh, when was the last time? Maybe, maybe when we flew somewhere to do a podcast, we had like a little date after the podcast. That's at least good. But I feel like we. We need to bring back the weekly

[A]

date night, you know, or at least monthly.

[B]

Bi weekly, even.

[A]

Bi weekly.

[B]

Bi weekly date night would be awesome.

[A]

Yeah, Bi weekly, daylight day night. And then we don't need to worry about A baby moon. We just need to do a nesting moon, and we just need shake out our entire house. Like, it just needs to be re. I need systems in place before we bring this baby into the world.

[B]

I like it.

[A]

And maybe then physically, I'll miraculously feel better. Right now, my body's like, no, because we are not ready.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I know it's not necessary, but, like, they call it nesting for a reason. It's because it. You do experience it, and it's. It's happening, and I just. Yeah. I want all the creature comforts this time.

[B]

You know, I get you.

[A]

By the time you have your third, you're like, let's just make things as simple as possible.

[B]

That makes sense.

[A]

That's what we're gonna try to do.

[B]

I like it. Should we dive into this game?

[A]

Yeah. Who do you think is gonna win?

[B]

Probably you. I mean, I think I really.

[A]

I have a strong advantage.

[B]

Yeah. We're doing. You want to explain to everybody what this game?

[A]

Yes. We are doing the ultimate pregnancy quiz. Husband versus wife edition. We're just gonna do some trivia questions about pregnancy, all things babies and birth and all those things. And, you know, I have a slight advantage having experienced it myself, and Matt will never be able to experience it. Does it make you sad that you can't be pregnant?

[B]

Not really, actually.

[A]

Really?

[B]

That seems. Giving birth, I've seen.

[A]

I've sat here and been such a whiner, but, like, it makes me so sad, the thought of ever being done doing this.

[B]

See the. What?

[A]

Yeah. No, I don't ever want.

[B]

But so, like, it. You want to be done, but then at the same time, you don't want to be done.

[A]

Well, I also. If we're gonna. If we're gonna be for real. For real, like, get really serious for a minute. It's really. There's a lot of anxiety also. Like, I feel like I've never had this much anxiety around, like, fetal movements and stuff, because given, like, our history, like, so, like, when we were driving back in Tahoe, I was like, man, I don't feel the baby. And I'm used to feeling he's pretty active guy, which is such a blessing. And I. I, like, love that. But then I was like, oh, my gosh. There's, like, five minutes in the car. I was like, I can't feel him. And it really freaked me out. And it happens often. Like, I'll just be laying somewhere, and I'm like, I haven't felt him. And I'm like. And then I start to Freak out and, like, it's really panicky. And then eventually, like, obviously, I feel like the hacks are having something sweet or having something cold. And then sure enough, he'll move and it's like. But there's just a lot more. I don't know. It's. It's so good that you have that, like, check in. Like, that ability to be like, oh, baby's squirming around. That means he's good. He's alive. And then there's also, like, the fact that, like, okay, well, if you don't feel them for, like, a short amount of time, it can make your heart sink. So there's that. But, yeah, no, I've been complaining way too much. But I. The thought of ever being done makes me so sad, you know, I just. But I do feel, like, ready to hold him in my arms, you know?

[B]

That's beautiful.

[A]

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[B]

No.

[A]

Why.

[B]

Why would I want to be pregnant?

[A]

Because it's so cool.

[B]

It's cool, but it's, it's. I mean, there's, there's the joke about how if men had to have the babies, there wouldn't be babies. Because if, you know, maybe I'm just. Maybe I'm just weak.

[A]

You don't want to do it.

[B]

Maybe I'm just weak sauce. Give birth. Yeah, that's. That's a lot. That's.

[A]

No, it's fine. It's great.

[B]

I just. I'm thankful that I get to be a dad and that I don't have to give birth. Like, that would be so hard.

[A]

So apparently I'm not really representing pregnancy well because I feel like I like actually love it. But then I, I just like, sometimes there's some downsides.

[B]

It's hardcore.

[A]

It's hard.

[B]

Definitely. It's definitely.

[A]

I think that's the thing. There's no breaks from it, you know, in the last stretch. Like sometimes, like early on, you can kind of forget that you're pregnant. You're like, oh, I feel great about. At the end. There's no, there's no forgetting. There's no. Except for the first thing. When you wake up in the morning, my body feels perfectly aligned and so relaxed.

[B]

I love that.

[A]

And then I'm like, oh, got to get up. And then you're certainly reminded when you have to flip. Oh, flipping in bed. No. Yeah, that's crazy. Okay, we're into this quiz.

[B]

And what is this?

[A]

It's the ultimate pregnancy quiz, but it also includes newborn and birth.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And whoever gets the closest. What's. What's the ultimatum here?

[B]

I don't know. We. The.

[A]

The loser gets a back rub. The winner gets a background.

[B]

The winner gets a back rub.

[A]

And I'm not. The loser gets to give a back rub. Ah.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

These are high stakes, high stakes.

[A]

I really want a back rub.

[B]

I'll give you a back room.

[A]

Okay, the first question is how many diapers does. By the way, I can't see the answers. Addie, our producer and sister in law behind the camera has the answers, so she. I'm not cheating, I promise. How many diapers does a newborn go through in a day?

[B]

I'm gonna say about seven to eight diapers.

[A]

That's a pretty good guess. I'm gonna say eight or nine.

[C]

The answer is around eight to 12.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

There's no. Do I. Did we ever change 12 diapers in one day?

[A]

Yeah, sometimes. Because when you think about, like, how many you're changing in the night, too, because it's not like they're sleeping through the night. Every time they eat, you change their diaper. And if they wake up three or four times.

[B]

Yeah. Wow.

[A]

During the day. That's only for a short period of time.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like really quickly, our kids went to six diaper changes a day because they did sleep pretty good.

[B]

Yeah. I remember when we were packing for trips or travel with our kids, that was the number. We figured, yeah, we'd always pack six,

[A]

which maybe that's bad. I don't know.

[B]

But that wasn't. They weren't newborns.

[A]

No, they weren't newborns. This is for New York. Okay, one point for me. You did a really good job, though. At what temperature should a baby's bath water be?

[B]

I'm going say 99. Yeah, I was going to say 99. That was literally. That's right. That's it.

[A]

Okay, what is it?

[C]

98 to 100.

[B]

98 to 100. So we both.

[A]

Okay. That's one of those things that we were freaks about with Griffin.

[B]

It's dumb. You just like.

[A]

We took the temperature of water gazillion times a gazillion, and we would leave it in the bath the whole time

[B]

in case it switch. If the water is 97 degrees, I don't think they're going to. They care.

[A]

Yeah. I think that was something that with the second, we were like, okay, we can have a. We can do a good judge with our elbow.

[B]

With our elbow. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Yeah. We really freaked out. I think we even traveled with thermometers for the water for Griffin.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because, you know, you're first. You're just spooky, scary. You don't want to put a baby in too hot of a bath or too cold. That's sad.

[B]

I feel like you had a lot of nervous energy with our first.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

And I think I. I took that on because my brother was making. He was making fun of me.

[A]

What if you had nervous energy and then I took it.

[B]

He was saying that, like, the second that there'd be, like, I would just, like, sprint to the room.

[A]

I kind of made you do that. Yeah. I was like, get it now?

[B]

Yeah. It gave me anxiety.

[A]

Yeah. Well, I mean, I was a nervous wreck. How long is a woman technically pregnant?

[B]

We're going. We're going 40 weeks. That's right. On the money. Yeah, because it. 40 weeks.

[A]

Yeah. Okay. That's the exact amount of weeks we knew that one. What is colostrum? You have to watch this first.

[B]

So it's like the. It's what you get before the breast milk. So you have to have your colostrum go to the baby first. And it's like really super rich nutrients. It's a teeny, tiny amount of this, like, thick yellow substance. Doesn't look like breast milk necessarily. It's like yellow and thick and full of milk. Yeah, it is like an egg yolk. That's what colostrum is.

[A]

It's like super nutritional nutrition, nutrient rich. It's like the first milk quote, unquote. Sometimes you get it before the baby comes even. And that's when we were getting that cheddar cheese milk. Yeah, that was crazy.

[B]

Cheddar cheese.

[A]

What are you. What is that? Right?

[C]

Yeah. The first nutrient dense milk produced before mature breast milk.

[B]

Smoke arrives.

[A]

What is amniotic fluid mostly made of later in pregnancy? I. Water.

[B]

Yeah, water.

[C]

Is that both of your answers?

[B]

Yep.

[C]

That is not correct.

[A]

Okay, wait, let me guess again.

[B]

What is amniotic fluid then?

[A]

It's mostly made of babies.

[B]

The.

[A]

The Vernix.

[B]

What? What is Vernix? I've never even heard of that.

[A]

What is it, Addie?

[C]

Is baby urine.

[A]

Ew. That was my second guess, but I didn't say it.

[B]

That's gross. So then the babies did not know their own pee? Oh, gosh, no.

[A]

They don't drink it because it comes. They're fed through the placenta.

[B]

How are they peeing through the placenta? Right.

[A]

No, they can't.

[B]

I mean, I think. But they're getting there. They're getting their liquid through the placenta.

[A]

They're getting their. Their liquid through the placenta. I thought.

[B]

I didn't realize that they pee and poop in there. I thought that that was all happening through the placenta.

[A]

I guess I forgot that. Yeah, but they don't drink amniotic fluid.

[C]

It says babies begin peeing in the room around 10 to 12 weeks of pregnancy. As soon as their kidneys form. This pee is made up a majority of amniotic fluid. The baby then drinks the fluid and pees it out again in a continuous cycle. That helps develop the lungs and die.

[A]

See, that's amazing.

[B]

But gross that is. Yeah, you said it perfectly.

[A]

I can't believe he can open his eyes. He opened his eyes in an ultrasound.

[B]

We both did that. We both drank our own pee in the womb. Everyone has. Everyone. If you're Watching this right now. You've drank your pee.

[A]

No, it's not that weird. It's weird that I didn't know about it. Have you ever drank your pee post womb?

[B]

Absolutely not.

[A]

No. Me neither.

[B]

Unless I was doing like a Bear Gryll. Survival.

[A]

That's what I think about. Like, if I had to survive, would I do it?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

During pregnancy, approximately how much does the uterus grow? Oh, like a thousand times its size. Oh, is it a thousand or 100?

[B]

I was going to say.

[A]

I'm going to say a thousand times.

[B]

I'm going to say a thousand is way too big.

[A]

I'm going to say.

[B]

I'm going to say the uterus grows 80 times the size.

[C]

It's 500 times. So who's closer?

[A]

I'm closer.

[C]

Really?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

You're not.

[A]

Oh, you're 420 away.

[B]

I'm 420. I'm 420 away. How did Matt beat me up 500 times? 100 times the size is crazy.

[A]

Mine went a 500 times. Matt.

[B]

That's so big.

[A]

Have you seen the illustrations?

[B]

Goodness.

[A]

Like it starts off so small.

[B]

Why did I have it in my brain that it was 80?

[A]

Have you been wondering why I have been peeing so frequently?

[B]

Yeah. Your bladder is getting squished.

[A]

It is everything.

[B]

There's no space.

[A]

Thousand times the size. What is the soft spot on a baby's head called? Oh, we should know this.

[B]

I don't know. I. I really have no idea.

[A]

There's an m. I don't even know.

[B]

I'm not even gonna guess.

[C]

The little. The little.

[A]

Oh, I'm gonna be so mad. We just always call it the soft spot.

[B]

Fantonel. Who the heck knows that? Unless you're a doctor.

[A]

We should have known that.

[B]

I've never heard a parent.

[A]

Because one of our kids took a long time to close up, but it

[B]

closed up so we didn't have to worry about it.

[A]

Thank goodness.

[B]

But I don't think I've ever heard a parent use the word fantinel.

[A]

I'm gonna start using it. Be like, check on his fanta.

[B]

Now you're not using that word.

[A]

Yeah, you know, I'm gonna be freaking out about that.

[B]

I'm make fun of you if you start using that word.

[A]

Only anatomically correct names in this household from now on.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

What? How many centimeters dilated is considered fully dilated? 10.

[B]

Yep. I was gonna say the same.

[A]

How much is 10? Show me right now what 10 centimeters looks like.

[B]

10 centimeters?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Well, two and a half Centimeters is an inch, so I'm gonna say 10 centimeters. Yeah.

[A]

That's crazy.

[B]

I think about this.

[C]

It is 10 centimeters, but I don't know who's. I don't know whose shape is the clothes.

[A]

What is lightning crotch?

[B]

You go first for you. I know you've gotten that in the past, and that's just where you feel like a jewel of lightning down there. You know, you're just kind of walking and, you know, kind of just hits you.

[A]

Wait a minute.

[B]

It feels like you got struck by lightning.

[A]

Have you ever experienced a similar sensation?

[B]

I don't want to talk about that.

[A]

I don't think that this is isolated a pregnancy. Obviously, this type of feeling is very unique to pregnancy.

[B]

I've gotten a jolt before.

[A]

Yeah, I feel like.

[B]

But not on my.

[A]

I feel like I've also experience is outside of pregnancy.

[B]

I don't know what that comes from. Every once in a while, I'll be like. I'm like. Like, oh, gosh. Like, it just kind of hits me, you know?

[A]

Oh. It creates an audible reaction. Oh, no, that's never had that. I'm just like, whoa. What was that? Yeah, I would say it's like, maybe the baby gets in a position that there's, like, a pressure point that gets pushed, and it's like. Feels like a, you know, a lightning bolt to the crotch.

[C]

It's a sudden, sharp shooting or electric shock, like pain in the vagina, pelvis, or rectum. It's a very brief sensation that strikes quickly. It typically happens when the baby grows larger, drops lower into the pelvic pelvis, and presses directly on the cervix, or sensitive pelvic nerve.

[B]

See? Why have I felt that before?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I've never been pregnant.

[A]

Yeah. It is a different feeling, but I feel like that's the most you could compare it to. But, yeah, I feel like I. I do kind of get that feeling more in the rectum area.

[B]

You get more in the rectum area?

[A]

I do.

[B]

That's. I felt. I felt that before, but I don't really know why.

[A]

See, we have more in common than we even realize.

[B]

I'm so proud of us. Look at us being vulnerable and sharing about our lightning cross.

[A]

This has been so vulnerable.

[B]

I feel so bonded.

[A]

How many bones does a newborn have? Well, first of all, how many bones does an adult have? 52. 300? No, it's 368.

[B]

You actually know the number?

[A]

No. Okay, so I'm just gonna guess how many bones a newborn has. Probably at that point. Probably about. At least 202.

[B]

I'm gonna say 250.

[A]

So stupid.

[B]

250 bones.

[C]

Matt is closest. It's around 300. To answer your question, the average adult human body has 206 bones.

[A]

You're telling me we lose bones as we get older?

[C]

They fuse to together.

[B]

That's freaky. What? You're looking at me right now.

[C]

Gradually fuse together into larger, stronger bones as they grow.

[A]

Okay, that is not what I would have expected. So newborn babies have more bones than adults, but they fuse together into stronger, mega bones. Hey, who's impressed that I had a pretty good grasp on how many bones?

[B]

That was good.

[A]

You actually totally mooched off of me.

[B]

You helped me out. Yeah.

[A]

Oh, this one's rough. How many contractions does the average woman experience during labor?

[B]

Oh, contractions.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I feel like you were getting them. It was like every. Was it every 30?

[A]

Well, I had Pitocin.

[B]

Was it every 30 seconds? Every minute.

[A]

Yeah. By the end, it was like they were less than a minute apart.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So because I had Pitocin.

[B]

So if that's 60 in one, and

[A]

it took about 24 hours, and then.

[B]

So I'm gonna say, what's 12 times 60? 6 times 12 is 72. So 720 contractions.

[A]

Gosh, that feels. Wait, what was your math there?

[B]

I did one a minute for 12 hours. That's more. That's too much.

[A]

Yeah, I'm gonna say 500.

[B]

500 seems pretty good. I'm gonna go with 400. And I really want to win this. I see. I would love a back rub from you.

[A]

Shut up.

[B]

I've never received. I've never received that in my life,

[A]

so that's not true.

[B]

Okay, I'm gonna go for. I'm gonna go 400. What? Wait, it's only 100.

[A]

Honky.

[B]

Wait, there's only 100 contractions.

[A]

I could get through a hundred.

[C]

I'll just give this to you guys. Since you're on the mic, just read the map.

[B]

Of what?

[A]

Early latent labor contractions are mild, spaced 5 to 30 minutes apart, and typically last 30 to 45 seconds. This phase can last 6 to 12 hours or more, translating to about 24 to 120 contractions. Active labor contractions become much stronger and more regular, occurring every two to five minutes and lasting 45 to 90 seconds. Active labor generally lasts three to five hours, resulting in about 35 to 150 contractions. Okay, so we're already way over that 100.

[C]

I guess, as people are short, whose

[A]

active labor is 35? Contractions yeah.

[B]

What?

[A]

This feels wrong. I'm going to say this, but also my labor was about 27 hours, so. And I had maximum Pitocin. Maximum pitocin for.

[B]

Yeah, I'm going to say that somebody. I think I did a little blunder there. I feel like. I feel like that's not true.

[A]

So who was closer?

[B]

I guess technically me.

[A]

This is messed up.

[B]

How do you feel about me beating you at this game?

[A]

Here's my hot take. I feel like the. Like the worst contractions are more painful than pushing.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Why? Why is that?

[A]

I don't know. Because I think you're just so ready to push. It's like. It feels good that you can do something about it. Whereas like, before, I felt like my body was at war with itself.

[B]

When I saw you push, though, I feel like that was when I saw you in the most pain.

[A]

Maybe. Maybe I just blacked out. I actually did black out. I had my eyes open. I couldn't see anything.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

How many pounds? But it's great. I want to do it again.

[B]

Okay, last question. What is it?

[A]

Last question. How many calories does breastfeeding burn per day? 350 to 500.

[B]

Yeah, that sounds. That sounds pretty good. I'm gonna go with that answer. It's the pregnancy brain, though. You just can't help yourself to answer right away.

[A]

Okay, what is it?

[C]

300 to 500.

[A]

So, yeah, so I'm gonna get that point.

[B]

Okay, fine, you get the point. Where are we at then? In the game? If Abby gets the point and I get. No.

[C]

Matt individually has three. He answered correctly. And for getting that one to Abby, then Abby is too.

[B]

Oh, I win. That's what Griffin would say. Do I get a back rub? No, I'll give you a back rub.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

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[A]

I have to shout Matt out. He played with my hair last night before I even moved his hand physically to do it and or asked him. Usually I just have to ask you, but you just did it last night. Your hand. I thought you were already asleep and I was like, gosh dang it. And then you just flopped it over.

[B]

I know that you love me playing with your.

[A]

That's what you should do. When I think that's just what contractions. I feel like that could actually really calm me down.

[B]

See, when we get one of these like humanoid robots one of these days and this thing can play with your hair, then I'm screwed. You're just gonna.

[A]

This is the biggest turn off that

[B]

you're just gonna get rid of me

[A]

on my list of turn offs of my husband gives me. Talking about humanoid robots is up there with AI and God when the humanoid

[B]

robot can play with your hair. I'm screwed.

[A]

I'm not letting a robot freaking touch me. That ain't happening.

[B]

I'm gonna clip this one day we're gonna be like 20 years from now. We're gonna have a robot that like.

[A]

No, no.

[B]

You're not gonna ever allow a robot in our house.

[A]

Not around my children, not around my.

[B]

What?

[A]

No.

[B]

Ever.

[A]

No.

[B]

We already have robots in our house, babe.

[A]

Shut up.

[B]

Our phones can listen to us vacuum. Our phones can listen to us. Our vacuums are robots. Our car can drive itself. There's robots everywhere. Our Google home.

[A]

I don't want a humanoid.

[B]

Our Google home mini. You literally talk to our Google home mini.

[A]

I want a humanoid robot. Okay, that's where I draw the line. But then I just have a vision of this freaking robot standing over our bed at night and I wake up.

[B]

We lock them in. We just lock them up at night.

[A]

You know, certain things you don't need to outsource. Okay, Being a human, we can't outsource out to robots.

[B]

I think you're just a little too. I think you're just a little spooked.

[A]

I think you're psychotic.

[B]

I think AI is Freaking you out.

[A]

See, I think he just gave me about live on camera.

[B]

Think about everything that it could do.

[A]

You know that I don't need it to do anything.

[B]

Anything you can think of. Did you know that?

[A]

See, this is why people are losing

[B]

their jobs, because of these things. Yes, well, the whole idea is that they can allow for humans to work less and have more fun.

[A]

You get, you gotta work. Working is important.

[B]

True, true. But some people work more than 40 hours a week and that overworking is not fun. So what if you could use leverage, a humanoid robot to help get some of the work done for you?

[A]

No, I think you just need to hire another actual human.

[B]

That's what people that don't love robots would say.

[A]

Yep. Okay, moving right along, we've been talking about contractions and what Matt should do during labor, which should be your indicator that potentially our plans for having a scheduled C section have changed.

[B]

Huh.

[A]

So backstory for those that may not know, with my first, I was induced and because of they were concerned about size and I'm a fairly short girl, so naturally my odds of like shoulder dystocia with a baby being bigger, like they were like, at 39 weeks, like, we'll just get this process going. And sure enough, his shoulders did get stuck and they broke his clavicle and he came out and there was not like no long term damage done to him, but it was marked as a severe shoulder dystocia. So after that, my doctor at the time recommended that when I got pregnant soon after that with our second to do a scheduled C section. And I remember being at the time very, very thrown off by that because you. I had no frame of reference for other birth experiences. Like, I was like, that was great. He came out, woohoo. And they're like, no, like, I'm glad everything's okay. But that was less than ideal. And that could have potentially put the baby at risk for permanent nerve damage. And so we had an elective C section with our second, and it was great. Both experiences, I feel like, were, I mean, I wouldn't say dream birth experiences, but I mean, they were good experiences. I wasn't like, oh, I hate C sections, I'll never do that again, or I hate vaginal deliveries, I'll never do that again. Neither of those happened. So I did just kind of assume though, since our second baby was much bigger than our first, that we're just, I don't know why, I just assumed that we're just going to continue trending upward and there's no chance that I will probably ever have a doctor that's comfortable doing a vaginal delivery ever again. I just, I never thought that would

[B]

be the case until now.

[A]

Until now. So this baby, our third boy, is measuring significantly smaller. He's very healthy and doing great.

[B]

Not, not a concerning amount.

[A]

No, actually he's actually just exactly 50. Like, yeah, he's just right at the. Well, it just depending on the day that we've gone. We've had a lot of extra scans this pregnancy, but he's always measuring like to the day of like how far along gestationally we are.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So for us that's actually quite a bit smaller than what we had before. And so I brought up with my doctor, hey, since this baby isn't like, is significantly measuring significantly smaller, what do you think about a vbac? And she was, my OB was very open to it and I was kind of surprised by that. And she's like, we'll just continue to see how things trend and we'll reassess every appointment. So I want to be transparent in knowing like you guys, I know that me talking about my birth plans will just, just from my past, I know that this stirs up, it could trigger something. So many opinions. And I have to just acknowledge that even within my own care team, I have had three different opinions, all based on my own medical history and my baby's set of circumstances. Like even within our own care team, everyone's slightly different. Like the high risk doctor or the MFM maternal fetal medicine doctor recommended something different than my OB recommended. Who recommended something different than this doula I consulted. So I'm just saying that there. I understand there are so many opinions even given like my own history and also our baby's set of health conditions too. Because I should also add that like our baby's also as of right now in a favorable position. Meaning like he's head down, facing backwards I guess is the way to say it. I don't know. Like he's in a good position, which could also change. But then also he, the placenta is also in a good position, which earlier on in the pregnancy that wasn't the case either. And yeah, I also, he's also much smaller. So everyone seems to think that there's a different perfect way to go about it and you can never really, really know. So that's why I've just approached this delivery just like very. I'm trying to approach it open handedly as possible. Meaning like, you know, que sera sera, whatever will be, will be. But I will set myself up for probably just like, take the span of opinions and like, this being the most medical intervention and this being the least, we're just going to funnel this birth plan right down the middle now. Everyone's going to have their own opinions on what they want to do.

[B]

Can I say something?

[A]

Yeah, totally.

[B]

Well, I think the reason you're saying that is you spoke to a doula who encouraged you to potentially do this birth unmedicated. And then you've also had people in the past especially that were like, oh, you know, just do C section, whatever. So you're getting these, like, two extreme fields of thought of C section, unmedicated birth, csa. And it's just like.

[A]

Well, and also I should say that probably the. The doula would also recommend not being induced.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Whereas, like, you know, with a scheduled C section, the baby's coming early.

[B]

But I think what your doctor ended up telling you is we're not inducing, but if we get to 40 weeks and the baby hasn't come, we're going to induce.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because according to the medical research and everything that we learned from your doctor.

[A]

Well, just what we're personally comfortable with.

[B]

It's just not ideal to like, let baby hang out in their past 40 weeks. Now, I know saying that could probably upset people.

[A]

Do it. And they have amazing results and they feel strongly that way.

[B]

I love that. I love that for them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But we're just going to go with

[A]

what our doctor going right down the middle.

[B]

We're go. We're following what the doctor says.

[A]

I really, I do. I should say, I really do trust my ob and I have a good relationship with her. And to be fully transparent, she's the same doctor that delivered our daughter and on like, the, literally the worst day of our life. And through that experience, like, I just, like, I can understand having gone through loss or go through an experience like that, like, where you'd be like, I never want to go to that hospital again. I never want to see that doctor again, even though it's not their fault. Not like it's no one's fault. But you just like, there's just so much trauma associated with your relationship with that person and like, that time of your life. But I feel the opposite way where I'm like, that really built a, like, a deep trust with my OB that I have. And so I really just think that she has, like, my best interest, baby's best interest. And also just considering me and you and like, our desires for this birth and delivery, like, and so, yeah, as of right now, we are gonna go about a VBAC, but the birth plan is to do a VBAC. Ideally, I will go into spontaneous labor before 40 weeks, so we can avoid induction. But if need be, then at 40 weeks, we will go in to be induced, which wouldn't be the worst thing ever either, though, because I was already induced and my body did respond to the Pitocin and stuff, so we have that history as well. Go ahead.

[B]

I feel like the concern that people listening to this right now is probably, what if you're. What if your uterus ruptures? You know, what if there's a rupture of some. Of some sort? Because it is a risk.

[A]

It is.

[B]

And if you look at the data, it's about 0.5 to 1% of women that do a VBAC end up having a rupture. So, I mean, that's. That is legitimate. I mean, if you. If you take 200 women in a room, you know that's going to be one to one to two of those women out of 200.

[A]

Yeah, that is a risk for sure. And I also do have a higher risk of a reoccurrent shoulder dystocia.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because of our history. But I do think that risk has been diminished because of, like, lessened because of the baby size, but it's still a risk.

[B]

And I think for you, from everything that I'm hearing, you know, you have a. You've got. It sounds like you got a 99 chance of this going the way it should. And then you don't have to deal with the extreme intense recovery after C section, which sucks. And you've done that.

[A]

And honestly, I didn't have a terrible recovery from really section.

[B]

I feel like you hate.

[A]

It was definitely harder than my vaginal delivery.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But I also am, like, I didn't have a terrible recovery. I think what's hard is if it's your second or third birth, then you have other kids to care for in the house, and that. That postpartum experience looks entirely different because you can't pick up anything but your newborn for six weeks or, like, drive a car for two weeks or something. Like. Like there was. There's a lot more restrictions on what you can do when that feels like that. That freedom's hard to get taken away when you have just a newborn, but it's really hard to have that freedom taken away when you have other littles in the house that you. That need you and rely on you. And so, ideally, that would not be the Case. And so we're just gonna go about this, and I feel. I honestly feel really positive about it, and I don't even think it's, like. I don't think it's dumb confidence. Like, I feel like we have. I feel really confident about, like, how this is gonna go. I just keep telling myself that we're gonna spontaneously go into labor right around 38 weeks, and it's gonna be beautiful and amazing. We're gonna have an epidural that works, and we're gonna. It's gonna go fast. It's gonna be great.

[B]

Yeah. It's been sweet hearing you tell people, too. You told my mom and your mom, and you've been so excited to share with everybody that you get to do V back.

[A]

I know very few moms get their, like, ideal dream experience, but it would be really cool to go into spontaneous labor, to have my water break, to go to the, like, not know when you're going to the hospital, and then you go and then you, like. It would just be really cool to have all those things happen. And so I'm just believing that it will happen and it will be amazing. But I do think for the first time, we're gonna hire a doula. We're so back and forth.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I feel like the majority of people I know that have higher doulas, it's because they've pursued an unmedicated birthday, and that's not a part of my personal birth plan. But I'm like, it would just be nice also to have someone else there, especially because it is a VBAC and has, like, certain risks associated with it, to just have someone else there to advocate and to, like, kind of speak for us when. Because I just remember so much of, like, our first delivery, we were just alone in that room, and I was like, what's going on? Like, you're just kind of left in the dark. Obviously, I know more now, but I still am not like, an expert by any means.

[B]

The majority of women that you talk to that have experienced an unmedicated birth.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

What. What's this? The stitch. Do they like it?

[A]

They're. They're badass women.

[B]

Are they glad that they are bad? Are all of them like, yes, I'm glad I did it. Yes, they are.

[A]

Yes. But they're also, like, usually if there's a long period where they're like, I'll never do that again, and then they do it again.

[B]

They do it again. Unmedicated.

[A]

Some of them do. Yeah. Again. But some of them. They're like, one was plenty.

[B]

That's hardcore.

[A]

They are. They are. They're better than me. I got to just say it. They are better than me. I personally, that.

[B]

To me, I feel like the people that do that, I kind of think of the people that, like, run marathons. I'm like, did anybody tell them they don't have to.

[A]

Yeah, they don't have to do that. They don't have to do that. But, you know, there's also just, like. There's so many. There. There are so many fields of thought around this, you know, like, their epidural comes with risks, for sure, and that all. It also limits you, like, what you can do when you're in labor.

[B]

Didn't you say that when your grandma gave birth to your dad, she was even knocked out?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Like, the. The whole way that birth works in America has changed a lot.

[A]

Yeah, she was under general anesthesia.

[B]

They're not doing that no more.

[A]

Not. Ideally. It does happen in some.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the baby just pops out. Like, your body just kind of goes, oh, wait, your grandma didn't have a C section.

[A]

Yeah, I know. She was knocked out. And I think they did forceps, which is.

[B]

Oh, crazy.

[A]

Yeah, that's not good.

[B]

Is that okay. Simple. Yeah, I didn't think so.

[A]

No, no, no. They don't do that anymore. So, you know, it's just one of those things where it's like, I fully know that me talking about this online is going to elicit some opinions, and I feel comfortable with knowing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That there's a lot of different opinions that people are like, hey, you know, I. I disagree with this. Or it says, like, that's okay. You know, we have our own care team that we trust. And I'm just saying we personally feel really confident with this plan. And it's like. It's also just really cool that we never thought that this would be an opera. An option. And I was. I was so content and resolved with that for years. You know, ever since we had Augie, I was like, yeah, this is just our. What we'll do, and it'll be great. But it's cool that this is, like, an option now. And I'm. I'm thinking it's gonna be good. How do you feel about seeing me go through labor again, given our first delivery, not going as, like, smooth as possible? Are you scared?

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm just gonna. I'm just gonna try to be there for you.

[A]

I feel a little traumatized after that.

[B]

I'm just gonna do my best to just be there for you and love on you and do whatever I can to be.

[A]

Should we do a birth prep class?

[B]

We could.

[A]

This third go.

[B]

I mean, we've already. We've already been through it, though, so I don't know. I feel like the people that do those are usually people that have.

[A]

I know, but I feel like we. I feel like we could learn some.

[B]

I'm sure we could learn something, you know, maybe watch some YouTube videos about birth.

[A]

You know what's really crazy is that for a period of time in our first delivery, we accidentally did hypnobirthing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You turned on. Did I tell you to turn these meditations on, or did you just.

[B]

I can't remember if it was me that found the meditation or you. But you wanted meditations, and it freaking worked.

[A]

Yeah, Like, I fully believe. So this doula that we've talked with does hypnobirthing, and I was like, no, no, ma'.

[C]

Am.

[A]

I fully believe in what you guys do because I experienced that whenever we were in transition and something was up with my epidural, and I was going nonverbal, locked in. I locked in on this meditation, and I don't know what happened. I just. What I do. I just didn't talk for hours. What happened?

[B]

Your brain went somewhere else. My brain ascended your consciousness. Yeah. Left your body and you just.

[A]

I went to another dimension and listen

[B]

to this lady talk about breathing and feeling peace.

[A]

Yeah, I did. And also we used that TENS machine. We did a couple, like, crunchy methods.

[B]

Do a couple country things. Yeah, the tension machine. That was cool, though. When you were feeling contractions, I would, like, jolt you. You were like. You're like, it's coming. And I'm like, shock me. I think. I think this time, though, you might want to just get the epidural a little bit sooner than last time, because I think you waited too long last time. No, you've talked about that.

[A]

No, I think you're gonna push it.

[B]

You're gonna try to go.

[A]

What if I just go on Mega hit.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Okay. You do whatever you want. I'll. I'll be there for you with whatever you want. You're just. I worry about you being.

[A]

I do worry about myself.

[B]

I've seen you be in a lot of pain, and it, like, it hurts me to see you in that much pain.

[A]

Well, maybe, like, if I had some training, I could handle it better. Also, I'm thinking in my head, if we don't have Pitocin, it's going to be A different ball game. It'll still be incredibly, incredibly difficult. But the speed and intensity in which things were happening and also Pitocin makes your contractions less productive. So, like, those contractions are more painful closer together. And they're also not progressing your labor as well. Which is also probably why our estimations for contractions were so high. Like I was on pitocin for about 24 hours.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That does something to you. That does something to you indeed. So I don't know, maybe we just start getting the combs out. You. Have you seen people do that? They like squeeze combs. Like it pinches their hands.

[B]

Oh. So that way they don't. It's like transferring the pain.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

To other parts of the body.

[A]

Maybe we just try to do this. Crunchy.

[B]

This is the first time you're saying this to me.

[A]

I don't think. I don't think I can.

[B]

I'm like, what? Are you okay? Are you serious right now?

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

I guess maybe think on that.

[A]

I'm gonna think on that.

[B]

Maybe meditate on that.

[A]

I'm turn on a meditation.

[B]

Yeah. Just listen to something hypnobirthing and decide if that's what you actually.

[A]

I know that if I had the right person in my corner being like, do this, then I would just get competitive with myself. But then in my head I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, let's not do that. Because epidural actually helped progress me with our labor in the first. So I don't know, we're back and forth, but we're really just planning on going straight down the middle here and doing a V back.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

With potential to be induced.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But I mean, we're gonna really do all the things to try to make that not happen. But I know people do all the right things. And then it still. We're just holding this open handedly. But that is a big change to our birth plan. Big change in the final quarter of this pregnancy. Yeah, final. It's a home stretch game plan decision. So we are excited.

[B]

Our puppy, Pretzel is growing up. She's gotten so big, you guys. She's just so cute, so fun, so playful. Something that has come up though, ever since having a dog is needing to take her to the vet. She got into some sort of beehive or something and got stung by a bee a couple months ago and that was super freaky. Abby rushed her to the vet and luckily everything was okay. Now that we have a dog, the whole conversation comes up of, should we have pet health insurance.

[A]

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[B]

In other news. Okay, that was awesome. I'm glad we talked about hypnobirthing, you know, unmedicated birth. That's news to me, babe, that you're actually considering that seriously.

[A]

There's probably about a 5% chance.

[B]

But I think we should talk about the miraculous cure you found to your headaches recently. For anybody that doesn't know, Abby's been getting so many headaches in this pregnancy and it's been frequent and we can't figure out why until now, people. So take it away, babe. Why? What did you do?

[A]

I did the one hour glucose test. I didn't do the fresh test. For those that I don't even really know what the fresh test is. It's just a healthier glucose drink. They only offered me the hummingbird juice and I drank that. And even after just an hour and with the 50 mil, what was it, 50 grams of sugar drink, my glucose was still, like, off the charts, like, low. So I think I have low blood sugar, in which case I just decided I took it upon myself. No one advised me to do this, but just to have like a full sugar body armor or like even just a full sugar soda in the afternoon when I was like, starting to get headaches every single day and I haven't had a headache since.

[B]

You just needed some sugar?

[A]

I just need some sugar. Mama needed some sugar.

[B]

Okay, well, because you have a friend that had.

[A]

I have several friends that had gestational diabetes.

[B]

Gestational diabetes. And then you realized that your. Your levels were much lower.

[A]

Yeah. Which is not great either.

[B]

What. Speak to the levels.

[A]

What was actually way worse to have gestational diabetes? I will say.

[B]

What was your number that you got when you took the test?

[A]

The glucose hour? I think it was like, 63. So it's not crazy.

[B]

63 of what?

[A]

My glucose was 63. I don't know what the units are. Don't ask me that.

[B]

But then you had a friend that had, like, 150 or something like 191. Oh, my gosh. Show. Yeah. Pull up what it is and read it out loud, because I feel like.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

It could be.

[A]

It's nothing. That's. It's nothing. That's crazy. But it is data that I.63. Is it milligrams?

[B]

Is that milligram? It says MG/DL. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what that is. Milligrams per deciliter of blood. So you have 63 milligrams per deciliter of blood.

[A]

And I will say, that was the test that wasn't fasted. I didn't fast before that, and I drank the whole drink.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

So, yeah, that is. That is pretty low.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, yeah, no one advised me to do this, but after I saw that, I was like, okay, well, maybe I'll just, like, have a little bit more sugar in the afternoons.

[B]

Are there any sodas that you want to buy now that you need more?

[A]

I've just been really liking Sharpie banana body armor.

[B]

Really?

[A]

Yes. Or just, like, full sugar?

[B]

Root beer. You've been into root beer this pregnancy?

[A]

I should do that. But I've just been having, like, full sugar, like, electrolyte drinks.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And it's been really. That is weird that it just, like, actually fixed it because I was getting so many, but they would hit around, like, 4pm So I was like, maybe my blood sugar was just dropping too low. Everyone's like, do you feel like you're gonna pass out? I'm like, no, I don't feel that way. So maybe I'm just consistently, like, a little lower. But yeah, no, I feel much better now. I'll talk to my doctor about it at our next appointment. Like, hey, I kind of did this thing because obviously it's not like I needed to consult her before I started having more sugar, you know, but. And then she'll probably give me some more Advice that's more medically sound than this, but, yeah, everything looks good. I accept. I'm. All my numbers that are related to hydration are messed up because I have bathroom problems about six, seven times a day. Sometimes waking up in the night with them, which I'm like, yeah, that makes sense. I can't keep up with my water intake here.

[B]

I feel bad for you having to deal with that.

[A]

Am I just a stinky girl?

[B]

No, I just. I mean, I. I don't know if. If I got it from you or if it was just something unrelated, but I found myself in the bathroom, so to speak, the other day, and that was painful.

[A]

Yeah, no, I'm getting that six to seven times a day.

[B]

So much in a day.

[A]

You've had a lot of sympathy symptoms now. I think about it.

[B]

Yeah, I know. What. Let's speak to my sympathy symptoms. What are you noticing? Well, a little bit of. Get a little. Little chunkier.

[A]

You said that yourself.

[B]

What?

[A]

You said that. You said that.

[B]

I was just saying it as if

[A]

you were saying a little bit of sympathy.

[B]

Weight gain, a little sympathy.

[A]

I think you wear it well.

[B]

It looks amazing.

[A]

Did we notice something else happening with your areola's life?

[B]

You did point out to me that my areolas are bigger.

[A]

You pointed it out.

[B]

I think you pointed it out. I think it was body shaming is what it was.

[A]

You said, wait, are my nipples bigger?

[B]

You confirmed it, which was basically like you said.

[A]

I was like, maybe just a little bit.

[B]

It's just sympathy. But I will say, guys, I have a buddy whose wife had a baby in the past year, and he gained and lost 30 pounds all in a year because of hormones alone. He said he didn't change anything about his diet, his exercise. This guy is in touch with his wife, and I think that just means we're in touch. I think our hormones are aligned.

[A]

Have you been having mood swings?

[B]

Probably. I don't know.

[A]

I've been having them.

[B]

How does that feel? What is it like from your perspective to have a mood swing?

[A]

Like, I'm aware that it's happening, but I also just feel like I'm at a loss of controlling it.

[B]

And so you just kind of, like, let it. Let it rip?

[A]

Yeah, yeah. Just today. I'll work on it. What should I do? Maybe next time, if I'm feeling rage, just give me a hug.

[B]

Maybe we need to just consult Daniel Tiger and say, take a deep breath and count to four. 1, 2, 3, 4.

[A]

I feel like this is dangerous advice, but I feel like you should Try it and just see how it lands.

[B]

Wait, say. Let's do that.

[A]

What if. No.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I think you should say, hey, this feels like a big reaction.

[B]

I don't think I can say that you're pregnant.

[A]

And thank you so much for growing my baby. Can I give you a hug or do you need space? That feels. That feels like a good idea.

[B]

I could try it. But I will say, in the past, when I've tried to do hugs hasn't gone over well for me.

[A]

I know. I understand that. I do understand that. But why don't you just give it a shot and we can see how it lands and then we'll workshop it after the moment.

[B]

So what are. What is my line?

[A]

So your line is, start singing, Daniel Tiger.

[B]

Don't take a deep breath and count.

[A]

Don't do that. That would be really bad. I think you should say, hey, this feels like a big reaction. I understand you're pregnant. Thank you so much for growing my baby.

[B]

So appreciate it.

[A]

Would you like a hug or some space?

[B]

Okay, let's practice that right now.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Hey, that seems like a big reaction. I really appreciate you growing my baby.

[A]

No, no. Say you're pregnant.

[B]

You're pregnant. And you. I understand you're pregnant and you're growing my baby.

[A]

Thank you so much.

[B]

Would you like a hug?

[A]

Thank you so much.

[B]

Thank you so much. Would you like a hug? See, that's the thing. Like, the specificity of the words. Like, I can't get that down.

[A]

Let's write it down.

[B]

I'm going to have to memorize the. Like, it's so specific matter.

[A]

I hate to say it. It does matter.

[B]

Hey, that seemed like a big reaction. I understand you're pregnant. Growing my baby. Thank you so much. Would you like a hug or just some space?

[A]

That's perfect. I feel like this could go over really well.

[C]

Please report back.

[A]

I'll report back if that works.

[B]

Terrifying.

[A]

This is. I got to tell you how it feels like, how pregnancy, like, hormone mood swings feel in my body.

[B]

How would this work?

[A]

It feels like I have an Angel Abby and a Devil Abby. And then Angel Abby gets too scared to. To say anything to Devil Abby. And so then Devil Abby just, like, takes over.

[B]

What would Devil Abby do if. If husband, you know, were to, say, take a chill, kicks the crotch, Kicked the swift. Kicked the crotch.

[C]

Tell them your egg example.

[A]

Oh, yeah. This one wasn't. This one was when I was having a swing. That was like, more like sadness.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

It was different than rage. Rage is scarier.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Sadness is just Pathetic. But Matt made. I have three hard boiled eggs every single morning of my life. Have for a really long time. Matt made my eggs the other day. Wrong move. I didn't want that for breakfast that day. You could say, abby, you eat that every single day. And you have for months, maybe even years. And I would say, yes, but I didn day. And then he's like, what else do you want? But we didn't have anything else. And so I just start crying. And Matt was just silent and scared. He just had three eggs. But he already had his eggs that morning, so we didn't know what to do with them. And did I eat them? What happened with those eggs?

[B]

I can't remember actually.

[A]

See, those eggs might have gotten tossed.

[B]

I should have just ordered some Chick Fil a for you actually, at that point. Like, that's a good game plan. Unless it's Sunday, you know, can't get Chick Fil A on Sunday.

[A]

Just one of those things. You can't predict when it's going to take over. But I just feel like having this conversation, putting it all out in the open, that feels like. That feels like progress.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think now you have some more tools in your tool belt.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

I give myself some credit. I feel like I didn't get crazy until week 30.

[B]

Okay. Yeah, totally, totally.

[A]

Yeah. Thank you.

[B]

Thank you. Great. I wouldn't even say, you know what I would say that's not kind to yourself. Don't call yourself crazy.

[A]

Thank you. So, yeah. Any other thing, any other symptoms happening? We haven't really sat down and talked about this pregnancy that much. But I just really hope it doesn't come across as me complaining because I can't tell you how grateful I am to be here because like I said, I just, I'm telling you, there was a long period there where I, I just was like, this will never, ever happen again to me.

[B]

You're just uncomfortable.

[A]

I'm just a little uncomfortable. And what a gift it is to be uncomfortable right now. Like, seriously, like, I am so grateful for that. I'm so grateful to play the role of pregnant lady right now. Like, it just feels so great. It feels amazing and also challenging. So I also think that this baby is just in a different position than I've ever carried before. And so I'm just like, not used to that. And it's a different type of uncomfortable than I experienced before. Whereas I used to feel it like all in my ribs, now I'm feeling it in my hips, my pelvis, and it's just a Different feeling. You know, the mobility is more difficult when it's transitioned to this location. But we're still doing our walks, we're still doing our stretches. I got those cat cows going. Pretty soon I'm gonna start having some dates and some raspberry leaf tea and maybe some pineapple juice. I don't know.

[B]

But you're a rock.

[A]

That's the only advice my doula had for right now was she was like, just look up a bunch of positive V back stories.

[B]

That's funny. That's.

[A]

I've been watching a lot. But then a lot of these people that do VBACs are unmedicated. And I'm like, wait a minute, I don't like watching those.

[B]

Well, your doctor. Your doctor recommended that you do it with the epidural.

[A]

She did.

[B]

Because then she said in the rare case that, you know, the uterine rupture. Yeah. Something were to happen, they don't have to go in and, like, I mean, they would have to do local anesthesia. Right. They wouldn't be able to do general anesthesia. Like, you go to sleep. Yeah. So it's. It's a lot safer from my understanding, having the epidural in already.

[A]

It's not necessarily safer, but then you guarantee that you'll be awake when your baby's born and you'll be like, coherent.

[B]

Ah, okay. Oh, so if they're using. If they put you to sleep. Yeah, you're asleep. Like, you wouldn't be awake for the baby being born.

[A]

You're waking up a few hours later.

[B]

That makes sense. Okay. That makes a lot of sense.

[A]

Yeah. You know, I did look up though. I was like, I thought for sure that if your uterus ruptured that I'd be like, game over for having kids. It doesn't. It doesn't mean that you can. You can have kids after.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is crazy. You would think that that would be like a game over situation, but it's not. So, you know, que sera, sera.

[B]

Yeah. Well, thank you, everybody for tuning in for yet another episode of Unplanned. Guys, we're approaching 200 episodes of this show, which is crazy.

[A]

I forgot to say that my milk came in my left armpit two nights ago.

[B]

Wait, you're kidding me.

[A]

No. I told you that yesterday.

[B]

In your left armpit. It's just like a bulge. Is that what you're noticing?

[A]

It was already puffy, but now it's full of milk and it hurts a little bit when I stretch it.

[B]

I'm sorry. That's so uncomfortable. I Remember you getting that in the past?

[A]

Yeah. Remember when I had to get an ultrasound of it? Now we're not alarmed.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Pit boobs.

[B]

You've got.

[A]

It's gonna take.

[B]

That's crazy.

[A]

It's gonna take a lot more to get a rise out of us over here than a little armpit boob.

[B]

Having a boob in your armpit is crazy. Is that considered a third boob? If it's in your armpit, potentially. Is it connected to your main. Is it connected to the main boob?

[A]

No. I don't know. It's not connected.

[B]

It's not. Wouldn't it, like, go through your armpit, though, and it, like, goes. Goes through.

[A]

Oh, the milk.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, I mean, you have milk glands all the way up through there.

[B]

Are you serious?

[A]

That's what we learned.

[B]

You have milk glands down here by your belly.

[A]

Okay. Remember when I got the ultrasound, they said, like, a cat. You know, cats have like. Like a lot of animals have, like, nipples all the way up.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

We also have milk glands, all those places, but we only have two nipples, so. Or actually, some people might have more.

[B]

Are humans related to cats in some way? I guess we're all mammals for mammals.

[A]

We're all just trying our best. It's getting weird now.

[B]

That is getting weird.

[A]

But, yeah, it's. It's there. So that's. Here's the thing. That's. That's. That's old news for us.

[B]

Goodness.

[A]

Well, attracted to my third.

[B]

Abby has a third boob. And you look. It looks great. Thank you again to everyone that's been listening to our show since the beginning. We are coming up on 200 episodes. That's going to be in December, so everybody be thinking about, like, well, we should. We should do some sort of celebration. We should do something to. To bring in the year with 200 episodes. That's crazy. Thank you again so much for tuning in for yet another episode. And for everyone that's left a review or left a comment or subscribed, like, the support for the show means so much. And yeah, leaving a review or even just subscribing to the show is a free way that you can support us. So thank you again, and we will see you in the next episode. Love ya.

[A]

Love ya.