In this episode of the Vernon Richard Show, Richard and Vernon discuss the challenges and opportunities in coaching software engineers on quality engineering. They explore personal updates, family dynamics, and the importance of perspective in quality and risk management. The conversation delves into the significance of code quality, effective communication, and the role of engineers in ensuring quality. They also touch on the need for hands-on learning and practical application in quality engineering training, concluding with a call to action for listeners to share their experiences and insights.

Links to stuff we mentioned during the pod:

01:16 - Llandegfan Exploratory Workshop in Testing aka LLEWT
- You can read about the latest edition from James (I haven’t written anything up yet - VR)
19:57 - The “I just want to write code” LinkedIn post
- FAILURE! I couldn’t find the LinkedIn post I was referring to 😭
22:29 - Linda Van De Vooren (massive brain freeze - I couldn't remember Linda's last name properly! Sorry Linda 🤦🏾‍♂️)
25:04 - Cul-de-sac
- This is a French term (that means "bottom of the bag") that we use in English to describe a dead-end street, i.e. a street that only has one entry/exit point.
- We also use it in the context Vernon just did, to indicate a situation where we have no options.
31:45 - The Deep Dive tracks at Agile Testing Days look incredible! Get your tickets ASAP folks!
- They also have an Online Pass available if you're unable to visit Berlin (although if you can, we recommend visiting in person!)
34:20 - Rich's Qt testing articles
42:11 - PeersCon tickets are available now. If you're in the UK and can easily get to Nottingham, I highly recommend visiting!
- Don't forget they also need VolunPeers (do you see what they did there?), before and during the event, so check that out too please 🙏🏾
43:55 - Heather Reid
- Heather's blog
- Heather's LinkedIn
46:15 - Liza, the awesome teammate in question
46:41 - European Testing Conference led by Maaret Pyhäjärvi
- While the event has stopped, you can still take a peek at their website

00:00 - Intro
00:48 - Welcome ramble
05:25 - Rich's question: An Engineer colleague wants to be coached on Quality Engineering, what do I do?
08:24 - Vern goes into coaching mode (shock!)
09:35 - Vern goes into teaching mode (shock!)
10:04 - Where could we start?
12:25 - Risk enters the chat...
14:50 - Quality enters the chat...
15:48 - Help them speak up and become a QA (Question Asker)
17:30 - Two powerful questions to get them thinking about quality
19:15 - The dangers of acting like an order taker...
19:57 - ...or are they?
21:45 - Uno Reverse! Is it true that all Engineers "love" writing code?
23:18 - Order Takers vs Experts
24:30 - Another powerful question to ask
25:47 - Rich's clarification sparks an idea about hats
27:17 - Slalom Sponsorship Appeal
27:41 - How do you decide when you have learned enough on a given topic?
29:21 - Majors and minors
30:55 - Learning modalities
31:42 - Learning tools
35:00 - A "syllabus" or roadmap starts to emerge
36:50 - What can the Engineer do to help the QEs in their life?
43:29 - Send us your ideas please
45:54 - The 1-to-many approach
47:53 - The classic mistake to avoid in this situation
49:15 - The relationship between testing and quality
52:10 - Vernon's people will contact Slalom's people