E1115 - Jeremiah and Iris Talk Beyond The Villa, West's Fake Apology, Jesse Soloman on WWHL & Nick's Thumbs

Summary

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The Viall Files - Episode E1115

Jeremiah and Iris Talk Beyond The Villa, West's Fake Apology, Jesse Solomon on WWHL & Nick's Thumbs
Date: April 23, 2026
Host: Nick Viall
Co-hosts: Natalie Joy, Ish, Sierra, Mary
Guests: Jeremiah Brown & Iris Kendall

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Episode Overview

This lively episode delivers a classic “Reality Recap” with a deep dive into the latest happenings in reality TV and celebrity relationship drama. Major focus falls on the messy fallout from “Summer House,” especially “Westgate” (the West, Amanda, and Sierra friendship-turned-betrayal triangle), plus updates on Bravo’s “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.” The episode concludes with a heartfelt interview featuring Jeremiah Brown and Iris Kendall from “Love Island” and “Beyond The Villa,” as they discuss the toll of reality TV and what their lives and friendships look like now.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Summer House Drama (“Westgate”)

Timestamps: 05:03 - 47:47

• Episode Reactions:
  • The crew react to the explosive “Summer House” episode, describing the drama as “jaw-dropping” and “mouth agape heavy,” centering on the betrayal between cast members Amanda, West, and Sierra.
  • “It was just... the Amanda, Sierra pep talk in the beginning, the talk with West at the end... this is crazy.” (Ish, 05:20)
  • Hosts dissect the emotional confrontation between Sierra and West, highlighting how Sierra feels deeply betrayed not only by West but also by her (now former) friend Amanda.
• Internet & Fan Influence:
  • Discussion of how social media and fan reactions blur cast members’ own opinions about events, as well as their perceptions of right and wrong.
    • “I don’t know what’s my opinion versus what’s the Internet’s opinion.” (Ish referencing Amanda, 12:48)
• West’s “Sad Boy” Persona & Fake Apology:
  • Nick criticizes West for his passive, evasive approach to relationships, failing to offer a real apology or take sincere responsibility for his actions.
    • “At some point, especially when you’re an adult man, it’s not, like, confusion. It’s just a choice.” (Nick, 33:15)
    • “He weaponizes his weakness and plays this whole, like, sad boy, you know... Your sadness, your feelings. And you are giving this person such false hope.” (Nick, 31:57)
  • Co-hosts call out West for performative behaviors, spotlighting his “sad boy” posturing both on the show and in social media appearances.
  • “He literally is telling Sierra in this episode... you know what she’s saying, and you are making yourself to be the victim.” (Nick, 32:34)
• Team Amanda vs. Team West:
  • The group debates whether Amanda deserves empathy for acting out after a decade of feeling unseen by Kyle, or whether she is simply dodging accountability for hurting multiple people (Sierra, her ex-husband, and others).
    • “My issue with Amanda... she’s not really standing on business... She is letting the men around her position her as the actual victim.” (Mary, 28:30)
  • Ish argues that while West’s bad behavior isn’t surprising, Amanda’s betrayal is especially disappointing because fans genuinely rooted for her.
    • “With Amanda... You expect better. We watched her literally talk about it throughout this season, she knew better, and still chose to hide it.” (Ish, 62:38)

Notable Quotes

• “Watching you sit there and tell her... Forget about, like... take Sierra out of the equation for a second... Amanda’s relationship status is kind of irrelevant, right? Because of the betrayal.” (Nick, 25:36)
• “You’re not skipping anything... Now you have to have even more weirder closure conversations because you’re not boyfriend and girlfriend.” (Ish, 22:32)
• “The reason why some of this drama... is because it’s so relatable. It is... We know what it’s like to have, feel lied to and betrayed by people we romantically are invested in.” (Nick, 21:08)

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2. Watch What Happens Live: Jesse Solomon Spills Tea

Timestamps: 50:26 - 59:20

• Jesse’s Perspective:
  • Jesse Solomon appears on WWHL and confirms suspicions he and Sierra already had about Amanda and West’s secret relationship, emphasizing the betrayal—and the fact Amanda and West repeatedly lied to his face.
    • “He had suspicions about West and Amanda, but they lied to his face about it multiple times.” (Nick, 50:32)
• Timeline & Accountability:
  • The group is skeptical of West & Amanda’s version of events and frustration mounts over their refusal to acknowledge specific betrayals, especially their evasiveness in referring to each other only as “she” and “we” but never by name.
• Paige’s PR Role:
  • Paige has become the “crisis manager” for the cast, with everyone seeking her advice on how to handle PR fallout.
    • “She is the go-to person for... what advice Paige has for them because how they should move.” (Nick, 56:20)

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3. “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives” & Taylor Frankie Paul Updates

Timestamps: 06:09 - 13:24

• Cast Fallout:
  • The hosts address shifting alliances and social media drama among cast members, especially after court cases involving Taylor Frankie Paul.
• Fan Pressures & Social Media Backlash:
  • Discussion centers on the pressures for reality stars to pick sides and issue public statements, often based on incomplete or internet-driven narratives.
    • “As soon as something drops, it’s like, everybody wants you to take a side instantly.” (Ish, 12:48)

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4. Love Island & Beyond the Villa: Jeremiah Brown & Iris Kendall Interview

Timestamps: 67:36 - 100:25

Adjusting to Fame & Internet Scrutiny

• Mental Health & Negativity:
  • Both guests reflect on how draining the reality TV spotlight and fan speculation can be, with Jeremiah especially tired of being mislabeled as a “follower” or “clout chaser.”
    • “If I do choose sides, I’m a follower. But then if I don’t choose sides, then a friend that all is a friend that none. So I’m just trapped in a box.” (Jeremiah, 69:23)
• Thick Skin:
  • Iris: “I don’t even pay attention to the negative things... There is negative... with good always comes bad... Otherwise, you’re going to just get caught in this negative cycle.” (Iris, 72:15)

Friendships, Accountability, & Healthy Boundaries

• Iris on Accountability:
  • Iris discusses her disappointment with Pepe’s lack of accountability post-show, noting she refuses to give people grace when they’ve crossed clear lines.
    • “If it’s, like, really bad, really bad, I don’t give people grace and I stand up for myself.” (Iris, 76:03)
    • “I know the truth... I don’t need to prove myself.” (Iris, 77:41)
• Jeremiah’s Perspective on Male Friendships:
  • Addresses fan theories questioning his ability to be friends with men, pointing out he has strong male friendships outside the show.

Re-experiencing Show Drama in Real Time

• Watching it Back:
  • Jeremiah notes the fans create their own narrative; not watching the show back means living through DM rumors, which can be misleading.
    • “If you don’t watch it, you guys are living your Love Island experience to the lens of a fan who has no idea how any of this shit works.” (Nick, 84:43)

Long-Distance Relationship Success

• Iris & TJ:
  • Iris happily shares that her relationship with TJ is thriving despite distance and that sometimes the reality TV edit struggles to keep up with real-time developments.

Improvements for Future Love Island Seasons

• Advice for Producers:
  • Jeremiah wants “movie night” segments reinstated for transparency; Iris suggests more public voting rather than cast-only votes (96:44).
    • “Bring back movie night 1,000%.” (Jeremiah, 96:44)

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Memorable and Humorous Moments

• Nick’s Thumb Photos:
  • A running joke about Nick constantly ruining family photos with his thumb over the lens, leading to playful roast sessions by the cohosts (“A headshot and a thumbshot.” Mary, 18:05; “I can crop them. That was his response.” Sierra, 18:45).
• Performative Activism:
  • Ish and Mary joke about West’s involvement in “dog adoption events” and having a podcast with Sophie Cunningham, questioning whether it’s all for show (47:26-48:16).

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Key Timestamps & Segments

• 05:03 – Summer House episode reactions begin
• 21:08 – Relatability of drama; universality of betrayal
• 23:02 – Wes’s podcast statements dissected
• 28:30 – Mary critiques Amanda’s lack of ownership
• 31:57 – Nick calls out West’s manipulation of the “sad boy” trope
• 50:26 – Jesse Solomon’s WWHL revelations and accountability discussion
• 67:36 – Jeremiah & Iris (“Beyond the Villa”) interview begins
• 76:03 – Iris on setting boundaries, accountability, and not always giving grace
• 84:43 – Nick on the importance of watching the show yourself
• 96:44 – Iris & Jeremiah’s ideas to improve Love Island

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Tone & Language Notes

The episode’s tone stays candid, emotionally frank, and irreverent—balancing empathetic relationship analysis with biting humor and reality TV fandom. Speakers freely “call out” manipulative or performative cast behaviors and let their own personalities shine through playful ribbing and vulnerable admissions.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This recap captures the heart of the episode: insiders, cast members, and expert fans all wrestling not just with messy relationships, but with the layers of social-media-fueled drama that make today’s reality TV culture both relatable and exhausting. The episode’s second half provides a rare, gentle window into how young reality stars navigate fame, internet backlash, and personal growth—making this a particularly rich installment for fans of Bravo, Love Island, or just messy friendship drama.

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Sample Notable Quote:
"At some point, especially when you’re an adult man, it’s not, like, confusion. It’s just a choice." — Nick (33:15)

Transcript

[Nick]

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[Ish]

We're lost.

[Sierra]

And the concert starts soon.

[Ish]

I wanted to get there early. I'm gonna ask that man for directions. Hi there. We're trying to get to the amphitheater.

[T-Mobile Representative]

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[Nick]

Nah, I'm just kidding.

[T-Mobile Representative]

Let me get my phone out.

[Ish]

How is their signal out here?

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[Ish]

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[Ish]

You're.

[Nick]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files reality recap edition. I'm your host, Nick, and I am with my wife, Ish. She is at our different location. She's in a different room. I miss you.

[Ish]

Is this hard for you?

[Nick]

I'm just not sure how we articulate this. I sound like Wes now. I'm like.

[Iris Kendall]

I just.

[Nick]

I don't know how to.

[Mary]

Communication. Yeah.

[Nick]

Now he's in our satellite studio and I'm here in Los Angeles by my excuse.

[Ish]

You well by yourself? Yeah.

[Mary]

That felt really good to hear.

[Ish]

Are we humans? Am I here?

[Sierra]

They want to be seen.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Can you see me emotionally like Sierra?

[Ish]

Can you see me?

[Guest or Announcer]

I can see you.

[Ish]

Can you see me? Okay, just making sure.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Sierra Robinson is back joining us in studio and Mary is also here.

[Mary]

Yeah, I am.

[Nick]

And if you haven't seen it already, here is the trailer for both part one and part two of the Temptation island reunion. Coming up on the two part reunion For Temptation island, season two.

[Jeremiah Brown]

You good?

[Iris Kendall]

You good?

[Nick]

Let it out. I don't count that. Cause I cheated on her.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Oh,

[Nick]

I just wanted to chat. You didn't sound like a chat, Cheyenne.

[Iris Kendall]

I just wanted to chat.

[Nick]

Alcohol is honestly what fucking killed me.

[Ish]

That's not who you are. And we all know that that's not who you are.

[Nick]

But what are these little lies?

[Iris Kendall]

I'm thinking of one right now. Which one are you thinking of? He told me if we don't go on the show, I'll think about it for the rest of my life.

[Nick]

This is my first real, actual girlfriend

[Sierra]

Nick got a DM from.

[Iris Kendall]

Oh, my God.

[Ish]

I see him and I love him.

[Iris Kendall]

It was just like a bad cycle and it needed to be broken, but

[Ish]

it was breaking me.

[Mary]

I know he loves me wholeheartedly, without a doubt.

[Nick]

Is there any part of you that has just a little bit of hope?

[Mary]

The main takeaway for us is I feel way more secure now.

[Iris Kendall]

And that's what's made everything so much better for us.

[Nick]

So what were your intentions? What did you want to say?

[Ish]

What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Nick]

You can't speak to women like you would a guy. I let the manipulation get to me. I let people's words get to me.

[Sierra]

Why did you get so drunk?

[Nick]

I hated it there. It looks bad when you see Cheyenne getting fucked.

[Iris Kendall]

Can we stop?

[Ish]

We were together and then we broke up.

[Iris Kendall]

And well.

[Nick]

No, wait, wait, wait. As a man, my ego is like a little shot. I'm like, they didn't put this scene. I pushed a hole in the wall. You're good.

[Iris Kendall]

No, it's not that.

[Ish]

I'm speaking the truth.

[Nick]

Well, like we said, lots of drama, so you do not miss it. Part one dropped yesterday night and part two drops tomorrow night, so be sure to check it out. Also, don't forget the Vile Files plus is ad free where you and where you can get all your favorite Vile Files episodes ad free. In addition to that, we have your reality recap de dives where we dive deep into shows like Summer House, the Valley, all this. Sometimes the shows. We didn't get to talk about this this week because we're so balls deep and

[Ish]

so house steep.

[Nick]

Yeah, we also have your pop extra where we talk about some of your favorite pop culture topics and explore those conversations as well as your update. Plus all your favorite updates from your favorite ask me a call, so be sure to check that out. Just go to vile files.com to sign up and you'll be glad that you did. Lots to dive into Very diabolical episode of Summer House last night. It almost.

[Sierra]

It almost feels like, guys, it wasn't that deep. I didn't feel like.

[Ish]

Are you joking?

[Sierra]

Like, Andy. Andy posted being like, guys, watch this with one eye open.

[Nick]

I don't know. We needed one eye open. It was this more totally.

[Mary]

It was just mouth agape heavy.

[Ish]

It was just. Yeah. Like, the Amanda, Sierra pep talk in the beginning, the talk with west at the end, and then it's like. And y' all still. This is crazy.

[Sierra]

I guess just the Amanda, like, getting, like, cock blocking west and sitting on the daybed and him rubbing her head and then her. Like, that felt like. That was like more jaw dropping to me than.

[Ish]

Because, you know, the intimacy.

[Sierra]

Amanda this whole time has been, like, there for Ciara. I'm not shocked that she's there for Ciara. Like, she's. She's been doing that. Like, the conversation between Sierra and West, like, was definitely interesting to hear, you know, and was sad to see Sierra, like, crying, being like, I just want my best friend back. And then, like, hugging and then.

[Nick]

Okay, well, not. We will get all into it, of course.

[Ish]

Of course. Yes.

[Guest or Announcer]

Yes.

[Ish]

Passion.

[Nick]

Well, there's a lot of passion here. We also have maybe some new news when it comes to the world of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and Taylor, Frankie Paul, and possibly the Bachelorette. On the heels of the recent court decisions last week about no further charges being pressed, it's not too surprising that, you know, there's talk about things moving forward. And it seemed like a lot of people producing these shows were really kind of waiting for this potential court date. I don't.

[T-Mobile Representative]

It.

[Nick]

It seems still unclear. There were rumors that the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives was gonna pick up filming and finish filming season five. The suggestion was implying that they were gonna do it without Dakota and Taylor, Frankie Paul. But Taylor is up in the comments suggesting that might not be the case. So I don't know if any of these. I mean, she is replying to, like, bloggers.

[Mary]

Yeah, well, there was a People article. Yeah, it was. People magazine posted the Secret Lies of Mormon Wives to resume Season 5 production without Taylor, Frankie Paul, and Dakota Mortensen. And then Taylor replied on Instagram saying, interesting, that's not the call I got. And a blog had posted Secret Lives of Mormon Wives the same thing. And she said, not who did People source?

[Nick]

Like, did they say, like, did they reference an insider?

[Mary]

Let me double check.

[Nick]

Or is people, like, reporting on, like, on the blogs? Because it used to be, like, you know, they would need to have some kind of source. Sometimes lately the tabloids are like, people on Reddit are talking about this.

[Ish]

A friend of a source of a friend of a source.

[Mary]

Wait, now there's an article from 49 minutes ago that says Taylor, Frankie Paul chose not to resume filming Mormon wives following domestic abuse investigations.

[Sierra]

Exclusive source, which I feel like that's also probably not the call she got.

[Mary]

Got a source close to Paul. Source close to Paul that she has the option to return.

[Nick]

Okay, so it sounds like Taylor has the option and maybe she's opting to. Not right now.

[Mary]

It says she's receiving strong support. This is the source. She's receiving strong support from the cast and producers, but is focusing on her kids and mental health issues and recovery from an abusive relationship. She's doing great and realizing how abusive her relationship actually was. Makes sense if she doesn't want to come back to filming. In the moment of processing a lot of, like, trauma and stuff, have any

[Ish]

of the other Mormon wives spoken out to, like, show some form of support afterwards? Because, like, I know that Macy commented on something that Taylor posted and she got eaten alive in the comments. Did she? For just like, oh, now you want to come, like, once, like, Taylor was, like, absolved of whatever charges or accusations she commented something, and everybody underneath were like, oh, now you want to show up? Now you're gonna comment. But I don't even know if that comment's still there.

[Sierra]

I saw Jen post, like, TikTok reel of. I think it was her, Jesse, and maybe Macy. I'm not remembering if it was Macy or Michaela, but it was basically like, we're all going through the same stuff. Ours is just, like, on television. Like, we're all humans. We're all going through things. Ours just happens. Wait, she was, like, shown on television?

[Nick]

Was she aligning with Taylor when she says we? Or was she or she comparing herself to Taylor and saying, like, I know Taylor's going through stuff, but we all also have stuff when she's like, a call for grace.

[Ish]

I think that.

[Mary]

I think we all think that.

[Ish]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

She was saying what about me? Basically.

[Sierra]

I don't think it was like a what about.

[Nick]

That sounds kind of like a what about me.

[Sierra]

I think it was like a, hey, we're all going through. Maybe like, she's getting some hate that we're not aware of. And she's like, guys, chill. We're all going through stuff. And, like, I mean, that's not un. We're doing.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I mean, at the end, this is what it is. It's her. Jesse and Macy. We're doing our best, just like you. It just happens to be on reality TV and online for millions to see. Her caption is we're all just humans living for the first time. And the girls are kind of like kindness. Macy commented, kindness goes a long way. Michaela put clapping emojis, so they must be.

[Ish]

I just think it's kind of a weird, weird timing to be like, kind of like we're all going through stuff where I'm like, I think people are upset with them because it was like they instantly took aside and kind of distanced themselves from Taylor. Come to find out that Taylor is actually the victim of the situation. And so then it's like, oh, sorry, we stopped showing support and we made these weird ass, you know, messages to be like we're distancing ourselves and being like, well, we're.

[Nick]

Did anyone distance themselves?

[Ish]

Layla and Miranda positive posted in their stories being like, there's more that G said something about like the abuse doesn't end.

[Nick]

It was like, Layla, it was like, I can no longer stay silent. That. Which was a very heavy.

[Mary]

It was, you know, anytime you can no longer stay silent.

[Nick]

Which also, by the way, is kind of an incriminating thing to say because it's like, so you. Oh, so you were staying silent.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

So you knew. What did you know?

[Ish]

So I'm like, on Taylor's behalf, I'm kind of like, if I went through all of that and had so many scars just recently exposed to the public, like, and then these people weren't defending me or having my back until I was absolved of said accusations. I think I would have a hard time wanting to go back and film with them too.

[Mary]

You said these people.

[Ish]

These people.

[Mary]

These people.

[Nick]

I do think it's like, you know, it's funny when we'll get into Summer House, but I thought it was very interesting. Of all the interesting things that we saw in the episode, there's so much to talk about, but something maybe only I pick up on. When Sierra and Wes were talking about just them responding to fan attention, he was like, you know, it almost makes me feel like I resent, you know, it's just I thought that was refreshing to hear because it's the acknowledgement that in this space that we talk about when we talk about these shows and the Friends online, that the people like the Secret Legend of Mormon Wives or the cast of Summer House, they're not immune to be influenced by fans to like to read the comments and then have that be confusing to Even how you feel about a situation.

[Iris Kendall]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And to know what's right or wrong, how to respond when you're so deep in. To the, like, the bubble that is these worlds. It is kind of fascinating to see. I don't know, I mean, like, for the secret lives of Mormon wives, I mean, like, I don't think they really know how to respond to this situation. And I do think there are. I don't think there is a black or white. Like, I think Taylor is a victim in this situation. I think it's also. It could be possible that she, you know, has some, you know, some things to work on, you know, and that, you know, there's some things that maybe she's done that her. Maybe her peers don't agree with and they're trying to find the balance of how to. How to say that and not knowing what to do.

[Ish]

And to your point where I'm like. Because even Amanda said that about Kyle this season, I think when she was like, I don't know, what's my opinion versus what's the Internet's opinion? So I'm sure that a lot of that. And the thing about the Internet is that it's like, as soon as something drops, it's like, everybody wants you to take a side instantly. What's your opinion? Have a hot take. And it's like, I feel like if you're immediately involved, that's when you should be the one that's like, stepping back, being like, by all means, you guys work it out. But, like, let me work it out with the real people. Not. Yeah, let the Internet create a narrative for me that I now have to denounce or have to make a statement about, because, like, what's the fucking point? Yeah, you're not going to believe it anyways.

[Nick]

Well, we do have a great episode lined up for you. Lots to get into. Into all the Summer House shenanigans, West has spoken on his podcast. Jesse Solomon went on Watch what Happens Live, and boy, did he spill some tea. Just kind of listed off all the things from his point of view and he really. He really showed up. And obviously we have the Summer House episode. Lots of crazy things going on in that episode. We also have Jeremiah Brown and Iris Kendall, the stars from Love Island Season 7, and also two of the new stars from the beyond The Villa Season 2. What are they doing beyond the Villa? Anyways, it'll be great to catch up with Jeremiah and Iris. We had some great chats with both of them during their seasons of season seven. It'll Be great to see. Where are they now? What's going on in their lives? That is all this episode. Also, don't forget that part one of Temptation island reunion season two is out and available to listen or watch. If you are listening to the episode, be sure to check out the extended video version that you can find exclusively on the vile files on YouTube. Part two, which is even juicier than part one, drops tomorrow. And you can see it. Audio drops at the same time as audio always does, waiting for you on your commute to work or at wherever you're doing during the day. But if you want to watch the exclusive Part 2 version with all the. All the teeth, that is tonight at 8pm Eastern, 5pm Pacific on YouTube premiere. So be sure to check that out. Do you want to give me. Talk about my thumbs up? No, thumbs.

[Sierra]

Your thumbs.

[Nick]

Thumbs. Divorce Gate Part 2.

[Sierra]

Not to do two. Not to do two episodes back to back. Like, complaining. Because I don't complain often, you know. You know me, guys. I'm not a complainer. I'm like a go with the flow. Yeah,

[Jeremiah Brown]

I think.

[Nick]

I think she's.

[Ish]

Watch yourself, counselor.

[Sierra]

We actually didn't ask what you thought.

[Ish]

You just.

[Mary]

I just heard Larry David exit your body right now.

[Nick]

And that might be a sign to

[Ish]

take a step back.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Sierra, you weren't here on Tuesday's episode, but I shared a story about how I sat down on our couch to snuggle up with Nick and watch a movie and sat on the couch in his chewed up gum that he set on a couch cushion jail immediately.

[Ish]

What? Why Nick?

[Mary]

Yeah, why?

[Sierra]

So that's what happened.

[Nick]

I can't articulate my thoughts right now. I'm having a hard time and I just want you to know I'm Sad.

[Ish]

We've got Mr. East, Nick Wilson in the building.

[Mary]

I just want your best friend back.

[Nick]

I just want. I just. I just want to be best friend.

[Sierra]

And then this past weekend, I buy those little, like, disposable film cameras off Amazon, you know, trying to capture some moments. They just make everything look a little bit more special, you know? And so I was like, nick, we've been filling out this camera. And I'm like, nick, there's like a couple more photos left in this. Can you take some of me and river on the couch? And so he's taking a picture and I'm like, you're. I can see like your knuckles are in front of the lens. And he's like trying to move them, and I'm like, they're still like, they're still there. And then he gets mad at me and he's like, you know what? Like, I'm not. I'm not taking any more photos of you. Like, my fingers aren't in front of it. Like, this is ridiculous. Like, seriously, leave me alone. I'm just saying it was like, he was, like, pissed off that I had to say his fingers were in the way. He's like, they're not. They're not. What are you talking about? They're not. Anyway, so I get the camera, I get all the photos developed. Tell me why every single photo of me and river, there is a big fat thumb in the top corner.

[Ish]

I feel like every single one I fear. I know. What happened is that I think that he's used to, like, normal cameras where, you know, your finger in front of the lens, you see it. Where on a disposable. It's a viewfinder.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Ish]

So if your fingers.

[Mary]

Oh, my God.

[Ish]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sierra]

But you'd think he's so old, he would understand. Like, the viewfinder.

[Mary]

Weren't you around when they invented these?

[Sierra]

Right? Like, isn't this your era? Shouldn't you be, like, a person? Professional specialty in this.

[Ish]

You tested the beta model.

[Nick]

I.

[Mary]

You know, you were posting digital camera photo dunks on Facebook.

[Nick]

I bet I'm all thumbs.

[Iris Kendall]

I can't.

[Nick]

Which is I. I have a bit of photography bug in me. I have some nice cameras I can take. You know, part of my artistic side is I. I'm fairly, like, amateur for sure, but I can take some nice amateur headshots of people.

[Mary]

Like some.

[Sierra]

Some portraits, just not of his wife and of his child.

[Ish]

Oh.

[Mary]

It's also like, it's a headshot and a thumbshot.

[Nick]

I need a high powered camera.

[Ish]

That's what I was gonna say. It's not. It's too cheap for you.

[Nick]

It's so small. It's so small.

[Sierra]

But it's so unfortunate because, like, all of the ones of Nick and River are, like, magical. Like, I capture. Like, it's them. They're magical. It's them making pancakes in the morning and Nick, like, whisking and river, like, holding the measuring cup. And then it's them cooking dinner and she's, like, peeling the kale and her tongue's out and Nick's smiling or them chasing each other in the backyard. Like, these are cinematic masterpieces. And all of mine are ruined by a thumb.

[Mary]

Damn.

[Sierra]

And he tells me, I can crop them. That was his response. Well, you can crop them. I was like, you can't crop Them.

[Nick]

Well, I thought it was a step in the right direction because the last time I did this, the thumb was

[Ish]

so bad that it just covered heads and faces.

[Nick]

It couldn't focus. It didn't completely. Didn't turn out. It wasn't even like you didn't even know who was in the photo here. It was like, oh, what a really beautiful picture of Natalie and my daughter. And then there's a thumb.

[Mary]

Natalie, what you should do is you should make like a little collage and just cut his thumb out of all of them. And then one page is like, the photos.

[Nick]

I think AI can fix this.

[Mary]

And then the other page is just his thumb.

[Sierra]

No, that's what Nick tried to say. Nick tried to say collage it. And I'm. No, I'm an adult. I'm putting them in frames and, like, putting them around our house or on our walls. They don't make a like 4 by 6 that's been chopped up frame.

[Nick]

Listen, I recognize they're not making a three by two. I said I was sorry and I was sorry. I got mad and you were right. And I will do better. I will. I will. There is a path. We have many more memories, hopefully, to get to capture.

[Sierra]

That's what he said. There's so many more moments to capture.

[Ish]

Don't you go back home without another disposable camera?

[Nick]

I don't even. Where do you them? I don't.

[Mary]

Cvs.

[Ish]

She just said Amazon.

[Mary]

Amazon, Walgreens, Urban Outfitters now.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Ish]

I love that you just admitted to being a repeat offender.

[Sierra]

No, it's crazy.

[Ish]

I said this happened last time. Fix it.

[Mary]

Oh, my God.

[Nick]

Yeah, I really, really fix it. I really, really didn't know. All right, well, let's dive into the Westgate continues. It's. The drama is great. I mean, what do you want me to say? I'm sad. There are sad people. But, like, let's be. We love this shit. Come on. Let's not pretend that we're not fully engaged and entertained and obviously, like, overreacting to an extent of, like, people we

[Mary]

don't know in real life.

[Nick]

Yeah, I mean, like, come on. You know, and it's.

[Ish]

I just think it's like. It's just interesting, kind of not to compare it to Scandal, because it's not a comparison, but it's like watching the episodes with a completely different lens in a different perspective, that it's like knowing what we know now. It does obviously make a lot more things seem a lot more insidious than they probably actually were. But Then also there are certain things that stick out that we're like, wow, I would never have thought twice about that.

[Nick]

I think we should also just stop pretending that like the reason why it's so popular and everyone's talking about it is because it's so relatable. It is like, maybe the details of the story are unique and like, it's. It's certainly heavy because of the friend group. But like, again, it's. We know what it's like to have feel lied to and betrayed by people we romantically are invested in.

[Ish]

We.

[Nick]

We've certainly. Now nowadays everyone is in these situationships that. Where you blur the lines of like, how, you know, what. What are we? Are we not something? And things like that. They have KJ and Dara, like defining a relationship. I don't know how long they've been dating at this point in the show, but the way the entire cast acted is like, they like eloped to Vegas and got married.

[Mary]

Well, KJ said he had been hurt in the past and had gone into relationships very quickly before, so he was taking his time. It's totally.

[Nick]

I, I get it. But like, I mean, 20, you know, dating in 20, that where it's just now everyone's just like, you know, it's like just you can break up.

[Ish]

Yep.

[Nick]

It's boyfriend and girlfriend stuff. And like the opposite that is everyone kind of treading water and like, you know, there's a difference between like taking it slow and communicating well. There's a difference between taking it slow and staying in the same place and calling it progress just because time has passed. And I think a lot of people today in dating and situationships, like taking it slow means literally not advancing to the next step. It's just like they're, you know, what is the next step?

[Ish]

Step, you know, I, I'm so confused about situationships genuinely, because I'm like, as I've been seeing playing out on many Bravo shows, I'm like, it just seems like you still gotta break up. So why are we so avoidant of having a label when you still have to go through the tough separation of friends? Like, I'm just like, you're not skipping anything. You guys just complicated. Now you have to have even more weirder closure conversations because you're not boyfriend and girlfriend. But we're still technically friends that hook up. But we're not gonna hook up anymore. But we have the same friend group. You just complicated your own.

[Nick]

Yeah. Wes went podcast and gave us an update from his perspective and he wanted everyone to Know that. Don't worry, Everyone was single. Yeah.

[Mary]

Him and Sophie Cunningham. Really?

[Nick]

Why do you hate her so much?

[Mary]

Oh, it's just because. It's just funny that he's on a podcast with Sophie Cunningham.

[Nick]

He's a sports journalist. He's in sports.

[Mary]

I know, but she's like, it's funny that, like, of all the WNBA players, he chose, like, the one that the people hate the most post. Anyway, that's all.

[Sierra]

What's crazy to me is that he admitted to texting his. He. What did she say? She asked if, like, he had reached out to any of his friends, and he said that and he hadn't heard back from a lot of them or whatever, which he understands.

[Nick]

Well, according to Jesse, didn't reach out.

[Sierra]

But then Jesse on Watch what Happens live says that he has not heard from him, which I'm like, like. And KJ also tweeted being like, haven't heard from him. So this is interesting. So, like, who did you text? Who did you, if not Jesse, your best friend and kj, you know, Sierra.

[Ish]

He texted. He texted Mia because she was on Watch what Happens Live. And she was like, I got a text from West. I have not yet to respond. I don't know what to say to him, but I'm like, mia, Mia, Mia, Sierra's best friend. Like, why are you not texting your best friend?

[Nick]

That actually makes sense to me, honestly, because I think he met, like, he's. He knows that Sierra is good friends with Mia. And to whatever degree that, like, I don't know. I don't think Jesse thinks that. I don't know. I don't want to speak for Wes. I don't know.

[Sierra]

He's like, I've been texting. He's like, I've been texting Amanda from the house a lot. We text.

[Nick]

Well, the fact that he was like, just so you know, I want to. As if he, like, felt like it was going to really clear the air when he said everyone was single. And I know, like, everyone's speculating, you know, when did this start? And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But, like, to me, it really doesn't matter. That part doesn't matter because that only matters in the context. The only person who really should care is Kyle. Because, like, man and Kyle are technically, I think, still divorced, but potentially they were the ones in a relationship. But, like, again, if the portrayal of Kyle is accurate and if Kyle, this is the type of husband he's been to Amanda, again, not to condone Amanda's actions, but, like, I Makes sense why someone in Amanda's position would make a mistake or. Or make a choice that she did where in a friend group that is so close to like high school dynamics that she would. What are you shaking your head for?

[Ish]

I can't. I'm like, I'm sorry, but you can't

[Nick]

make sense of it. No, I'm like, at least connect the dots.

[Sierra]

Nope.

[Ish]

I will not give her any grace. On West. On the West Wilson of it all. Like, no. Watching you sit there and tell her.

[Nick]

Forgetting about, like, let's say, let's take Cyr out of the equation for a second. Let's say. And take. I'm just talking about Amanda right now.

[Iris Kendall]

Okay?

[Nick]

I am just saying, like, in terms of. Was Amanda in a relationship? Like, was everyone single? That's why, like, it doesn't matter because we care most about Ciara's feelings. And as it relates to Ciara, Amanda's relationship status is kind of irrelevant, right? Because of the betrayal. It only relates to Kyle because he was the one married. And I'm just saying if. If this story was just about Amanda, let's say Amanda started dating another. I don't know, like, maybe it was Amanda being speculated that she was dating Ben or something. I don't know. And. And it had nothing to do with Wes and Sierra hooking up. We would still be talking about this, but we would care far less. Because, like, all I'm saying is Amanda dating someone who's close to Kyle to me makes sense in effect, if she is someone who spent the past 10 years not feeling seen or validated. I'm not saying it's a smart decision. I'm not saying it's a healthy decision, but it just makes like, sense that someone in her position would do something to almost get a reaction from her husband who hasn't ever really reacted in a way. It's not Grace. I'm just like. I'm just connecting the dots.

[Ish]

I mean, that sounds kind of like toxic as fuck though, because I'm like, okay, so you want to hook up with his best friend to like, what, be like, you treated me like shit from 10 years versus just leaving? Like, I just like in my head, like, there's nothing that really condones that behavior, let alone.

[Nick]

I'm not condoning it.

[Ish]

I'm not saying you are. I'm just saying that's just like my wording where I'm just like. Like, for me, I'm like, regardless, because Kyle's the one that she's running to. Having Kyle do interviews Being like, Amanda's gonna clear it up at the reunion. Amanda. Like Amanda didn't do like having Amanda's back and trying to like fully put everything onto west where I'm like, so if you're still going to be doing that and then going to a game and making out with him and doing all of this, like, I'm just like, you don't give a about Kyle's feelings and you don't have to give a about Kyle's feelings. But however the betrayal there is just so many sided that I'm like, if you take Cyr out of the equation, it's still up that you're hooking up with one of your husband's close friends.

[Nick]

Yeah, but I'm just saying if Amanda were my daughter, I wouldn't be like, yeah, cool. Like, yeah, good luck. You too. But I would at least understand how she got there. Whether I agreed with the decision or not. I'm just like, sometimes, I mean, people can do things where you go, I can't even comprehend how you got here and how you made this. And all I'm saying is I can connect the dots where I can be like, I don't agree with it. Doesn't seem like a smart decision. Don't think it's going to last, you know, and kind of shitty and toxic. But like, I, I get it. I get how she got here. And if, if, if all we were talking about. I'm just saying I would. Yeah, I would have empathy.

[Mary]

Curious. Curious what you guys think about this because I feel like the, my issue with what Amanda. The way Amanda is moving throughout this right now is first off, she's not really. She's not, not for lack of a better term, standing on business with it. Like she is kind of positioning. She is letting the men around her position her as the actual victim in this situation. Which is, which bothers me because she's not. Yeah, she made the decision. She is a grown ass woman who has autonomy over herself. She did that because she wanted to.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Mary]

And okay, cool, whatever.

[Ish]

Then own it.

[Mary]

Exactly. Own it.

[Ish]

Lean into it.

[Mary]

Like, be like, yeah, I did it. Don't let West Wilson fight your battles. Don't let your fucking ex husband fight your battles. And this is all to say, like, I don't know what she's gonna say at reunion. She could do it on reunion, but the way she's just going out with a scarf over her head, she's at

[Ish]

the Yankees posting a photo of her dog, but then being like, hey, I'm gonna like, if you see me outside, just know, like, it's really weighing on me and then being like, happy hour. Yeah.

[Mary]

And I'm like, I'm not saying Yankees game. It's, like, fucked up that people are making death threats to her and, like, saying awful things online. No one should have that happen to them. But again, it's just like. Like, you're not the only one who is being cyber bullied online. And it's the way that west and Kyle are pretending. Like, Amanda is going through the worst thing anyone has ever gone through in their entire life. It's like, no, she's not. She, like, made a messy relationship choice, and she's dealing with the consequences of her actions that she made, but she's,

[Ish]

like, hiding from taking responsibility of it, letting everyone else speak for her. And don't worry, she'll speak at reunion. But it's like, you're outside. You're fine.

[Nick]

Posted on Instagram.

[Ish]

What'd she post?

[Nick]

I. I mean, there's a little bit of, like, damned if they do, damned if they don't.

[Ish]

I mean, I don't to Mary's point. Then own it. If you guys are gonna go to the Yankees game, stop having these, like, narratives being like, yeah, I'm just, like, really sad for Amanda. Then speak up. Say something you don't mind posting on your podcast.

[Mary]

Also, she could go on.

[Sierra]

No. On it. No, that is so true. Because it is 100 west going on his podcast and being like, I just wish, like, people would be mean to me and not Amanda. Like, she's just having such a hard time.

[Nick]

No, see, that. That's the. Like, then that's where I. Watching this Pat, this past episode, like, it remind. You know, it. It reinforced what I was talking about on Tuesday's episode about weak men. Like that. That scene between west and Sierra. Not the ending scene, which was heavy enough, but the first time in the bedroom. Or he just, like. He's just like, I just. I don't have a hard time articulating. And by the way, on his podcast, he's wearing, like, the beanie and he has the hoodie, and he's just like, I'm. I'm just a little.

[Sierra]

Which is just bullshit. Because it is bullshit because he was just at the Yankees game posting all of his guy friends. He goes to the bars with Amanda, posts all of his guy friends. It's like, yeah. And I said this on Tuesday's episode. If y' all are gonna go out, if y' all are gonna do this public shit, then do it. Do it with your whole fucking chest.

[Iris Kendall]

Yes.

[Sierra]

Like, to Sierra Mary's point, don't get on Instagram and be like, guys, this is just, like, weighing on me a lot. But I have to get outside for my mental health. It's like, okay, cool, get outside for your mental health. But also be like, on a hike.

[Ish]

Take a Pilates class.

[Sierra]

Here's me and Wes.

[Ish]

Yeah, here's.

[Sierra]

Here's me and west guys at West Wilson. Like, we're together. He.

[Nick]

He.

[Sierra]

Ha ha. Like, lean in. Show us that, like, y' all are gonna do it. Don't, like, hide and not post each other and wear your scarf.

[Nick]

Weaponizes his weakness and plays this whole, like, sad boy, you know, he literally is telling Cyr in this episode where she's. She's. She's crying, she is saying. And again, like, Sarah's not my friend. I didn't. I wasn't in a situation with her. I just watch her on tv. And sometimes when I watch these shows, I'm taking care of my daughter and talking to my wife, and I have a million things going on. And even though I'm, like, paying attention to, like, 60%, I know. Know that Sierra Miller, when it comes to choosing her relationships, wants to build a friendship. And that friendship is super important to her and meaningful. And that is the start for her emotional journey.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Nick]

She has communicated this ad nauseam to, like, anyone who will listen, including, I imagine, Wes, the person she claims or says to him, like, you were one of my best friends. And I don't say that easily. And so she is saying, this is this, like. Like, she. This is like a profession of love in a way. This is like, she is trying to articulate the. How serious her feelings are. And this. And this guy is just like. It just makes me sad. And I don't know how to not be friends with you. And it's just like, bro, like, you know what she is saying, and you are. You are making yourself to be the victim. Your sadness, your feelings. And you are giving this person such false hope. And the thing about, like, I don't know how to do that.

[Ish]

That.

[Nick]

And. And like, that. And, you know, and it can't, like, we. I can be best friends tomorrow. She is taking it as you, like, finally taking her seriously and how she's communicating it. And again, it's so, like, at some point, especially when you're an adult man, it's not, like, confusion. It's just a choice. You're just making a choice to, like, live in this whole, like, well, I don't know what to do. And again, it's a bit. Because west, in his mind, he's telling himself, like, I've made it very clear to Sierra, you know, like, I'm not ready to date. I don't really know. I just, I want to be friends, but like.

[Ish]

And I just don't want to break it up.

[Nick]

And he is pretending that she hasn't articulated to him very clearly what she wants out of a romantic relationship.

[Iris Kendall]

Yes.

[Nick]

And, and, and again, he plays the whole like, sad boy narrative. And like, I don't think he's stupid. You know, He's. He's a 30 year old man. You know, like, at some point you have to give a shit about the feelings of the people you say you claim to care about. I mean, and if you don't, like, it's just a choice. And so, like, it's just like, it's a bit.

[Ish]

Can I ask you when, like, if you and Natalie, like, get into it or something, like, how do you apologize?

[Nick]

Well, yesterday on the phone, she was talking up my thumb. I was just like, you're right. I'm absolutely sorry. I got mad and you were right. I got defensive and you were right. And I will do better and we. More memories to, you know, get my thumb out of the equation.

[Ish]

Hello, class. I have a lesson for you that is called a sincere apology. Do you see how taking accountability, how it wasn't. I feel this way and my feelings were hurt. It was, hey, I upset you. I took something out on you and that's my bad. And I. You were right.

[Nick]

Yeah. Wes does that. I feel bad for fucking up and it really does. I'm sad about this.

[Ish]

Should I be apologizing to fucking you like hell? And then the way I'm just like, anytime that I'm like professing how sorry I am, like, sorry is a big thing. Like, where it's just like, I am so incredibly sorry. The way that he did it twice when he walked in there, the second one was just like, what the was that? When she was on FaceTime with Amanda. But it was just like, he just goes, listen, I feel bad. It hurts me that I did that to you. I apologize and I'm just like this,

[Nick]

I'm sad and I'm really, I'm sad.

[Sierra]

I am sad when people say, I apologize over I'm sorry. Yeah. I'm like, that's a cop out.

[Ish]

Thank you.

[Sierra]

That's like when I was, I don't know, 10 years old, fighting with my brother. And I'm like, You have to say sorry. Say sorry right now. Say sorry right now. And I'd be like, I apologize, Jackson.

[Ish]

It was like.

[Nick]

It was like my way of getting

[Sierra]

out of saying I'm sorry, literally.

[Ish]

Because if somebody asks you, did you apologize? Yes, I did.

[Nick]

Did.

[Ish]

Yes, I did. I apologized.

[Mary]

Can I ask maybe a loaded question?

[Iris Kendall]

For sure.

[Mary]

So I. I was the kid, right, who. I would up right at home, like, whatever. My mom would get mad at me, and I would be like, I am so sorry. Like, I am the first person to be like, I'm so sorry. Like, I'm so, so, so, so, so sorry. And then here's what my mom would hit me back with.

[Iris Kendall]

It's just words about.

[Ish]

It's. That's the whole plate theory too. Like, if you say sorry to a plate that's smashed on the ground, does it put the plate back together?

[Mary]

Was less that. And I. I mean, maybe this is more like me just being like, all say, like, she's like, you're gonna say sorry. You're gonna do the same dumb again. So it's like. And. And I'm curious as to, like, when for someone like west, right, if he even. Even if west got to the point where he was like. Which he, I guess, in his brain definitely did, where he was like, I apologize to Sierra. I. I've said I'm sorry. Like, I. I saw her. I told her I see her. And it's like, yeah, you said that you used your words finally. But again, it's like, words versus actions. And I. I'm just curious at large, even outside of Summer House, because this is something that, like, I try to figure out of, like, how to show up for the people I care about. Whether it's, like, romantic or just platonic friendship of just, like, where is the difference? Of, like, you can really, really mean something. And you know what I mean?

[Nick]

Well, yeah, there's a difference between, I'm sorry my actions hurt your feelings. So it's like, you're not apologizing for action. You're apologizing for their emotional response to your actions. And a lot of people do that. And sometimes. Sometimes when I apologize, I'm very like, I'm not sorry for my actions, but I am sorry that it made them sad. Like, that wasn't the outcome I wanted. But, hey, you're in charge of your feelings. Like, there are times when that's how I feel. Yeah, right. But if you actually think you fucked up, if someone's like, yo, you did that. And that thing I think is fucked up also hurt my feelings. Then there's like, I'm. I'm. I'm sorry for myself. I. Like, I. I'm not sorry that Nally's mad at me. I'm sorry that I'm a stupid fucking idiot. And I got so defensive that instead of just listening to my wife, I. I chose to stubbornly, you know, act like a petulant child and then ruin all those memories. And that's the thing I'm sorry for. And I don't want to do it again, you know? And, yeah, like, he definitely knows better, right? Like, he should know better. But the thing is, like, he does. That's why what I mean, he doesn't care. What he cares about is how he feels, I think.

[Ish]

And public perception. I think he's somebody who's very aware that he is on camera. I think he knows to say the right things and to react in a certain way because he wants. Wants whatever happens when cameras go down for that period to be like, yay, West. We love West. And that's why, like, you're playing into this whole Sierra thing when you clearly don't have interest.

[Sierra]

It's so interesting that you say that he's, like, super aware because obviously we saw him with, like, the whole sock thing. And then this episode, I noticed that whenever Sierra came into the room and was like, hey, do you want to go and get a coffee? He was like, yeah, sure. And he goes in to tell Jesse, who's in the shower, and he picks up his necklace microphone to, like, catch what Jesse's saying, because clearly Jesse's not gonna have a mic in the shower.

[Ish]

Yep.

[Sierra]

And, like, you are so hyper aware of, like, making sure what you want gets aired and what you don't want, like, doesn't get heard. And it's just. It's very interesting.

[Nick]

I don't know if they're gonna say this because I don't think this makes them look or sound any better, but I think I. My guess is behind the scenes to like to Sophie Cunningham when, you know, when Sophie was like. I just think when people start learning the truth, they're going to feel differently because, like, clearly Wes has, like, emotionally dumped on so, you know, on Sophie, and she's been. And she's been like, oh, my God, like, don't listen to the haters.

[Ish]

It's not that bad.

[Mary]

I know what haters are.

[Nick]

My guess is he is downplaying the realness of these friendships and relationships and blaming it on tv. He's probably like, I'm not Even like that good of friends with Jesse it's like or like and like, you know, again the whole like bit where he, with Sierra, he's just like, like we dated for three months three years ago. But it's just like again you're the one who've like, you've given Sierra access to your emotions without accountability. You're the one who like does the, you play the confusing part and that's what I mean. Like to be like a strong partner or a strong guy. Not like it is to, is to be willing to just be honest and upfront at the risk of in the short run frustrating or disappointing that person. But knowing that you're just, you're at least being honest.

[Ish]

Yep.

[Nick]

And knowing that in the long run they at least might have respect for how you carry yourself. And, and as opposed to like in the long run them feeling led on or misled because you gave them. Even though you said you weren't ready to date and you said you didn't want this but you showed up emotionally like to, to be there for them. And it was funny, funny like when Jesse's on watch what happens live and he was like, you know, he's like, you know, like I'm not going to condemn the guy. He's not like a bad guy. He just did a bad thing, blah, blah, blah. But Jesse tell this, told the story about how, you know, this is. I cried with when I was recovering from his cancer, his fight with cancer. And that makes a lot of sense because again, west is someone who can show up in those moments. Right. He's likable. He can really be there for someone. The problem with west is it's the consistency. He doesn't want to show up consistently. And that's why west is more of a boys boy because when it comes to his male relationships, he can tap in and tap out. He can cry on the floor with Jesse and really show up in that moment and then like hang out two weeks later. He can go on a plane and hook up with girls and things like that. But when it comes to like building an emotional connection that requires, you know, that's something that Sierra has been very clear about what she wants to do and the direction it wants to go. It requires if nothing else, consistency and he doesn't want to do that. But selfishly, he still likes having access to Sierra. He still wants Ciara to rely on him and go to him and he wants to be able to say I show up for her. You know, here's, here's 10 examples of me being there for Sierra. And it's just like. But that's not what Sierra wants. Sarah wants the consistency, the trust and loyalty, and that's the cop out. Because he is, like, discounting that fact. And instead of, like, he's patting himself on the back for things that everyone else is criticizing for him for. Because when you show up for someone who's asking for consistency and you don't give him that consistency, all you're giving him is a false sense of hope. Like, you're giving, you know, at the end of this episode where he's like, I could be best friends right now. Again, this is a person who's talked about what being best friends with a man means to her. And you are saying, I can be best friends with you tomorrow.

[Ish]

In an instant.

[Nick]

Yeah, in an instant.

[Ish]

As if, like, that's.

[Nick]

And then to find out then you ended up fucking Amanda is crazy.

[Ish]

Even crazier.

[Mary]

That's what I meant by, like, sick to my stomach. You know what I mean? Like, it was just. Just to see him. It's the fact that he didn't think he was lying to her. Like, he is so in his own.

[Nick]

Oh, no, no. He definitely thinks he's a victim.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Ish]

But even then, like, it was. It was the competition for me that, like, I couldn't help but just be like, annoyed with where I'm like, okay, fine. I did not expect, like, can we be best friends again? To come out of Sierra's mouth in that moment. And when it did, I was like, oh, damn, Here, here we go. Which would have been, like, a moment had we not known about Scamanda, Westgate, whatever. We'd been, like, fucked up had we

[Nick]

not known about that and I was

[Mary]

still there, I would have been like.

[Ish]

And then he ruined it for me. Yeah. If I was, like, completely just, like, devoid of everything else is going on and was just in the storyline, he ruined it for me. Because then he goes, and you'd never make out with Jesse. And I was like, that's what you're thinking about after two years of back and forth. Can't be comfortable, like, how he.

[Nick]

No, but that is crazy to say because that implies that you give a who she makes out with and you are in a position to give a who she makes out with. Because when you say, I just want to be friends, you're suggesting you mean it platonically.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Nick]

You know, and it's like, she doesn't mean that she's made it. I mean, again, I want to speak for Sierra but that's what it seems like when she's talking about relationships.

[Ish]

For her to be like, well, why didn't you stop it? Or whatever. And he was like, you wouldn't do that or whatever. The. But it was just like, that whole, like, that exchange already is so intimate, and she's letting her walls down. She said she doesn't even want to be nice to you. And, like, we're gonna try to, like, move to this friendship, and then he's already ready to, like, kind of like, let's. Let's take six steps forward, and then he's gonna play victim, being like, I don't know how she got here. Like, I don't know. I don't know. I didn't do anything. And it's like, then you're gonna go. And Amanda, like, that's why.

[Nick]

That's why, like, a guy like west, who I would classify as, like, a weak partner or a weak guy, you know? And it's not, like, an indication. It's just, like, it's. He can change. Maybe he won't be a weak partner for Amanda. I don't know. But. But that's the dangerous part of this situation, because we think back to this season, right, when you had this whole. That moment where Wes. I don't even know how to talk to her. And then Sierra's like, I've designed it that way again. Then you also have another scene, I brought this up multiple times where Wes is like, I'm worried that Sierra's gonna get hurt again. So the real truth is that second statement where you know that Wes is not worried about his feelings. He is in control from his perspective about this situation. He's not worried about it. He's trying to navigate it. But he is. He's okay. But that. And by back, oh, I don't even know how to talk to her. And Sierra, like, that is that game we play. And even Sierra, you know, like, because it's very easy in the type of relationship Sierra finds herself in with Wes to feel powerless to, like, to just be drawn to someone. She's emotionally invested in this person. She feels committed. She doesn't want to feel like she's crazy. She's like, I'm not crazy for liking this. This person's giving me a reason to like them. That kind of internal battle that we fight when we have these strong feelings for someone who, like, is, like, kind of maybe give us examples of, like, why we shouldn't fuck with them. And so it's just that game that. That we Play where Wes is again. He's pretending he's the victim. He's pretending that he's the one not in control, knowing full well he's in control. And that gives Cira a false sense of security and a false sense of power. And, like, yeah, I hope that Sierra will look at this situation and see all these examples to be like. Like, holy fuck. I hope this ends up being the best moment of her life, looking back. But Wes definitely shouldn't have known better. I'm just saying in the sense of eventually, the problem with guys like Wes

[Mary]

is she knows how she feels.

[Nick]

No, Wes are a dime a dozen, and they are never going to be the ones to actually change their behavior. You're just gonna have to see them for who they are and choose not to fuck with them anymore. You have to, like, you have to help yourself right? That. You know, and I hope that as it relates to this, whatever this is for with Wes, that she kept Her. Just keep giving him more chances. What. You know, and his confusing behavior. I hope she doesn't see his behavior as confusing anymore. I hope that she sees his behavior is very. I hope where he stands is very clear now. And it's not with Sierra, and it's not really as her friend, you know, it is he. It's. If nothing else, he just want. He. It's. I guess with Amanda, you know.

[Mary]

Yeah, look at Amanda.

[Nick]

But, I mean, they do make sense to me.

[Ish]

I don't know. No, I. I will never agree to that. Where I'm just like. Even that scene of them with. And I don't know. I don't want to come for west too hard, but I'm just like, West. West is the type of person where I was like, even did say he

[Mary]

would rather people come for him than Amanda, so go for it.

[Iris Kendall]

All right.

[Ish]

The. This forum is open. Even the, like, dog thing where I was just kind of like, my fiancee and I were kind of talking about that. We were like, Wes is just the type of person that positions himself. Himself in any situation where he can meet as many women as possible and not seem like a threat. And I'm just like, the whole, like, I don't want to have a dog, but, like, I do these dog adoption things where it's just like, oh, what a sweetheart. Like, he just really cares.

[Mary]

Retriever.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I can't have a dog right now, but the least I could do.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Donate my time.

[Ish]

Where I'm just like, you know who goes to dog adoptions? Single women.

[Mary]

Literally. And guess what?

[Nick]

That's why I found his political post. Again, not that I don't agree with them. I found them to be performative because it was like, wait, why is.

[Ish]

And to back your point up for Mary, him having a podcast with Sophie Cunningham really confuses that.

[Mary]

Exactly so.

[Nick]

All right, well obviously there will be more to talk about.

[Ish]

I've got so much more to say.

[Nick]

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[Nick]

All right, well, we definitely have to talk about the whole Jesse Solomon appearance on Watch what happens live because he really, he really gave us of a lot. A lot.

[Mary]

Yeah, it's, you know, shit's getting messy when Jesse Stallman starts to make sense.

[Nick]

Well, you know, I, I know like I, I've been, you know, I'm often critical of the guys on Bravo, but like, maybe, maybe Jesse is one of those guys who's, you know, again, like to say, like, you know, when I say Wes is a weak man, like he can at any point he can choose to mature, grow up and start giving a shit about other people's feelings outside of his own.

[Iris Kendall]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And when Jesse showed up last season being like, I'm in love with Lexi, you know, like that was impulsive, like, maybe silly. But to whatever degree that he tried to like, make sense of those actions would be like, it's a very Wes Wilson thing to do. But Jesse sounds like maybe he's open to like being like, yeah, if I'm serious about my relationship life and, and, and, and want to like actually have something meaningful, I, I have to maybe like not do all these things. Right. So maybe, maybe Jesse's learning. But anyways, Jesse, let's just go point by point. Everything he said, he said that he had suspicions about Wes and Amanda, but they lied to his face about it multiple times. Times. Which is this like, interesting, the sense that like, that's just knowing that like they, they knew they were doing something shady. Right. Like otherwise.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Why are you lying?

[Ish]

That's, that's why. Yeah. That's what I say about like the accountability of it all is that it's like I'm not gonna sit here and give anybody passes because these are two grown ass adults that made that decision. And then when you're looking somebody in the face knowing that you're lying about it, why would you lie? If you don't know that what you're doing is wrong, bad, whatever, you would own it or be like, you'll never believe what I'm feeling. And I remember when Jesse posted the photo of him and Amanda out having martinis or whatever, and he was like, if you see us out, we're just friends or whatever. So it's like they sat down and had a full on one, one on one. Which I guess Jesse was asking Amanda about the rumors, what's going on and that she straight up lied to his face.

[Nick]

You know, it's interesting because everyone, you know is trying to be like, oh, when did this start? Right? And. And was there cheating and things like that. But everyone's like, asking that through the lens of, like, a physical boundary being crossed. And the truth is, like, we're never really going to get a straight answer because I guarantee you Amanda are answering that question in that lens. Well, we didn't hook up. Like, we didn't hook up. We didn't fuck until everyone was single or we didn't kiss or we didn't hug. But, like, we are literally watching this season. And again, like, it's a gray area, right? These things don't just start. Like, it's not like one day someone walks in and goes, I think I'm in love with you.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, there's a. There's a banty flirting. There's the rapport there. They. They are pro. They're at point. Wes probably did show up as a friend. And then eventually there's like the. These maybe an intimate moment or. And by intimate, I mean, like just a feeling. Right? And then eventually went like, eventually it just starts crossing a line that gets kind of weird. And so we'll never really know because clearly that's what happened with these two is they. They got closer and closer and, you know, I. I'd be curious what they said to each other and they said to themselves once they realized there was some mutual interest, but from Amanda, you know, from one like, how do. If you're Amanda, how do you let it ever go that far?

[Ish]

Well, watching that dog adoption bit, whatever, where it's like, they're having that conversation, I instantly flashback to the fight that they had and Kyle being like, she spent more time with you in the last six months than with me. And then while Amanda's defending Sierra's honor and being like, what you did was messed up and it messes up the dynamic. It's like you're clearly talking on behalf of Sierra while talking to us, but also stating that, like, you know, you've been such a good friend to me and, like, you hate it when Kyle mistreats me. So to see you disrespect Sierra in such a way. And then I was like, like.

[Nick]

And then that's what's crazy because, like, even if you're a mandating, you're like, telling yourself like, Cyr and I aren't that close or whatever. Like, but no matter what, even. Even if you and west are meant

[Ish]

to be end game.

[Nick]

End game. You are disrespecting your friend Sierra. Just from. If you care about Sierra's feelings and you're gonna come out like, it almost is like, you know, when sometimes I give him relationship advice and someone's like, you know, I have a question. Crushing this guy who has a boyfriend. But, well, like, we're just friends. And I'm like, yo, you're getting a front row seat to how this guy moves.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Nick]

As a boyfriend. And it's almost like a man is like, I kind of like you and I want to give you. Like, she's like, don't. Like, be a better. Like, don't do this to Sierra so I can justify liking you.

[Ish]

It's almost like this weird training him for the future.

[Iris Kendall]

No, it's just like it's. Yeah, it's this weird.

[Mary]

It's infuriating because it's also just like if you're friends with someone and you can't talk about the person you're dating, like the people you're seeing around them, maybe think about why that is.

[Ish]

The whole dynamic of like their quote unquote friendship is just been the most bizarre thing to watch. But the cognitive dissonance between them having these conversations about respect, loyalty, friendship, the meaning of. Of it all, and then to see what their actions were while you guys hid it, lied, and then wanting to text random apologies to people while dropping this, like, mutual. We were found into to this relationship.

[Mary]

Can't even say each other's. Like, Sierra bringing that up in her Glamour article of them not saying each other's names. Wes also didn't say it on the podcast either. In their statement. Like, they never say. They never reference each other by name. They're like, we. And then when west was talking on his podcast, he kept saying she to refer to Amanda. He wouldn't say Amanda.

[Nick]

Well, he doesn't even talk about Sierra as if she's even a human being now. He's just like, we've. We've hurt people.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Who are you talking about?

[Mary]

The cast.

[Ish]

I feel bad. You know, I've sent some text and it's just like bare minimum.

[Nick]

Jesse also said he and Sierra. He and Sierra. Jesse said he and Sierra were already side eyeing things.

[Mary]

Jesse said that him and Sierra were kind of probably suspecting things of is there something going on to Back in February. But Ciara had told Jesse to wait for the reunion.

[Ish]

Like she was going to call them out at the reunion. But then all of this stuff came

[Nick]

out, gotcha gotcha, gotcha.

[Ish]

Statements, etc.

[Nick]

He said he reached out to Paige, who gave him great advice, which I thought was great because, well, we've heard it straight from Jesse's mouth. I have talked to other people very close to the situation. And then that very brief conversation that was had, Paige's name came up. And so clearly Paige is herbody is running point PR for the house. She is, she is the go to person for it seems like everyone else involved in terms of, like, what advice Paige has for them because how they should. They should move.

[Ish]

How they should move pages that.

[Mary]

Pages. That one meme where it's like, you guys are in a crisis. I'm on my way.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Ish]

Yeah. I'm like, even the iconic photo of Sierra finding out about the statement or whatever outside of Hermes chic as fuck. She was like. I was on the phone with Paige being like, what do I do? And I'm just like, I just. I love this friendship, so. And I do love the fact that like, yeah, she's the one that's like, all right, we need to run. Let's fucking go.

[Mary]

Make sure you get photographed in front of her.

[Sierra]

Maslow.

[Ish]

That was Paige's advice.

[Nick]

Then he dropped some tea that he had. Wes had brunch with all the boys, and then apparently had a second brunch with Amanda. And then he. And then they all went to Miami and Wes and Amanda went on a solo dinner.

[Iris Kendall]

Yep.

[Nick]

I wonder who asked who.

[Ish]

He was so funny about it too. He was like, yeah. And like, I didn't even think of anything. I was just offended, like, that they would go to dinner and not invite him.

[Mary]

He just wanted hang out.

[Ish]

Yeah, we're all in Miami together.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Well, I mean, again, like, this, this. You guys have to. Again, the psychology and I don't know, I. I assume those are people who are interested in this, but like, the reason why some of this drama in, in these weird, like, I think we call it grace or whatever, but like it. When. When these groups of people are filming reality TV shows, it's so, It's. It's so impossible to almost not have a very high school, school, like, dynamic, you know? And it's. You are. You're. You're very isolated from the world because you don't really honestly know who to trust. And very few people can relate to your experience. And you don't want to sound like you don't want to be talking about making TV shows to people who A, are fans and B, who maybe it's like you either it's like either fans or. Or you don't want to sound like that. That guy, that. That person. So, like the only person. You're in a bubble. Right? So it's. It's.

[Iris Kendall]

It's.

[Nick]

It's. It's a. It creates these very weird relationship dynamics

[Mary]

that, like, trauma bonded in a way, or just you can call it, but like, that same type of bond.

[Nick]

Well, at first, even just like Wes and. Wes and Amanda, if they were just friends, it wouldn't seem that weird that they would maybe grab coffee or be friends in a. In a way that were like, other people be like, yo, what is going on here? Like, it would. It would make sense that there is a closeness and a comfort level that doesn't necessarily mean that something's going on. And why other Cats cast members wouldn't necessarily read into it. Yeah, because of how this group really is there for each other because they don't really have anyone else to turn to when. When they feel kind of isolated and alone. And I think it's what's just. That's what's fascinating about it actually turned into something I was like.

[Ish]

To be fair, I'm like, they kind of do give off, like, horny college kids stuck in a house together, even though they're not stuck. But I'm like, even watching west this season with Bailey. I don't know if you've seen it at all, but it's just like, randomly, he's, like, got his, like, arms intertwined with her arms while she's trying to have a conversation with Ben. She's sitting on a bed and he's, like, pulling on her, like, ponytail and whatnot. She's like, don't not do that. Or, you know, so I'm like, yeah,

[Nick]

but that's kind of up.

[Ish]

But that's what I'm saying is that I'm like, there's. There's this weird dynamic with west specifically, but I'm just kind of like their whole friend group is just very interesting. Obviously, shit's resurfacing with, like, Amanda holding Craig's hand under the table while he was dating Paige. And it's just like, in what world would that ever be a thing? I. I don't care who's fighting at the table.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's still crazy.

[Ish]

You know what I mean?

[Mary]

Like, I don't know. This show is just like, I love

[Ish]

a lot of my friends, but would never. Yeah, I never act that way with my friend's boyfriend, with my friends, whatever. But I'm just like.

[Mary]

And I'm like a intimate, like, you know, like when.

[Iris Kendall]

For.

[Mary]

For video listeners. When I see Sierra, like, we're like, you know, like, I'm hugging my friend. I'm doing whatever. Like, I'm a very, very, like, physical touch intimate with my friends. There is a difference. You know what I mean? And so it's just interesting to see.

[Nick]

Yeah, but west is. Wes is. You know, listen, like, a lot of people who get attention and like, attention have a bad habit of, of wanting to know they can.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Nick]

And west is, like, right now in this stage of life that he is is the definition of I just want to know I can.

[Iris Kendall]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And he doesn't want to let go of that wanting. No, he could. With Sierra, it's like trophies.

[Ish]

He's just collecting them. Being like, whenever I get to dust this one off the shelf is who I'll give.

[Nick]

Like, he kind of dresses like a literal peacock.

[Ish]

Honestly, biggest issue that I'm having with this whole Amanda and West thing is Amanda style went completely down the drain, and now she dresses like she got dressed in his dirty hamper. And it pisses me off more than anything because she had great street style. And. And then I'm like, is this because you're one of those, like, chameleon type girls that doesn't have an identity of themselves, so you blame everything on your partner? You become your partner. Yes, because that's scariest type of person.

[Mary]

I mean, I don't want to make general assumptions. That's kind of mean to say.

[Iris Kendall]

But I have empathy, by all means.

[Ish]

And hold on to that. I just, I don't. I love that for you, but. Yeah, no, I, I, I don't. Yeah.

[Nick]

Do you think Sierra should be more mad at. Well. Or more mad at Amanda? Yeah. Do you think Sierra should be more mad at Amanda than she is west in the way that she.

[Ish]

Yes.

[Nick]

Why? And do you agree with the boys Will be boys?

[Ish]

It's not so much that I agree with it, but again, like, west fucking up isn't shocking, isn't surprising. We watched it last episode where he's sitting here acting like the victim that he has something to apologize for. When he literally said to that girl, I date this girl behind you, but who cares about that?

[Nick]

But why, but why can't we still hold him to a standard of. Again, when we watched this last episode back, why can't we be like, oh, you. That's a you. That was up again. Like, we, you know, all the time we just spent, like, analyzing his behavior and, like, talked about how like, at the end of the day, it's just kind of manipulative, and it's a choice. And he's not this kind of helpless, you know, can't articulate his thoughts and feelings as much as he lends on. So why. Why are we. Why are we discounting those actions to the fact that he's just some guy?

[Ish]

Oh, no. I literally have equal. Equal. Just like I despise them both equally. There's. There's no discrimination. But with Amanda is that. It's like with your girlfriends. You expect better. You. She knows better. You're watching her literally talk about it. Throughout this season, she knew better and still chose to hide it versus coming to the forefront and being like, hey, this happened, West. Like West. West makes. And I told you this was scandal a long time ago. When I came on, it was. Is like, the thing with Bravo fans, at least for me, that I feel like is that we hate being bamboozled. We hate you selling us who you think you are.

[Nick]

That's just reality TV fans in general.

[Ish]

Sure. Okay. But, like, I feel Bravo takes it very personal. Okay. And, like, that's why the vitriol or whatever seems like it's so out of place. But it's like, no, we've been rooting for you. We wanted you to leave Kyle. We wanted better for you. We wanted you to be this boss bitch on an empire, and we were ready to give you the dollars to do so. And then this is what you do with it. Like, it's just like. So, yeah, it's more disappointing on Amanda's behalf because we were all actually rooting for her. Whereas west, it's like, oh, my God, west, if it wasn't going to be with Amanda, it's gonna be somebody else, because that's just who west is.

[Nick]

Sure.

[Sierra]

Thank you.

[Nick]

Well, that will do it for today's Amanda Scandal. Whatever. Whatever. Whatever we're calling it. Obviously, there'll be more. More layers to peel back. Up next, we have Jeremiah and Iris from Love island, and now they're part of beyond the Villa. And there seems to be a lot going on in our lives right now. They came in a little heavy, a little, you know, in their feels. Yeah, it was great to catch up with both of them, but just a whole different kind of reality TV world. And it's really fascinating to kind of explore how Iris and Jeremiah, two of my favorites from last season, and they. I've gotten to know Jeremiah a little bit. He's a really standup guy, but we get to talk about their experiences both, you know, from Love island and catch up on some of the Pepe drama. That experience that Iris had to experience. Where are they now? Who they're dating, TJ and Iris. What is going on there? But it's a They're up next and we are super excited for you to listen to this next conversation.

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[Iris Kendall]

Thank you for having us.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Yeah, thanks for having us.

[Nick]

If you don't mind me saying, you guys both kind of came in a little heavy. It felt like I, you know, and we've talked offline before, like this, this reality TV thing that you all do, it's a lot sometimes, you know, with. And on one end like it's, it's awesome to have such a passionate fan base who gives a about who you guys are. Because if not like if no one cared.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Yeah, then that would suck.

[Nick]

But it, it's, it's draining. So how. How. I guess first question for both of you, like how how are you guys doing? You know, at. Fresh off of a new show of beyond the Villa coming out and I

[Ish]

feel like that was a prime time to ask how your heart is.

[Nick]

Yeah. How is, how is your heart? Yeah. As we like to ask on this show,

[Jeremiah Brown]

I think I'm great overall. I think low key. Like the last couple of days I've been letting a little bit of the noise get to me.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Especially it's hard when like people have only seen two out of eight episodes. So like a fourth of the picture and then like trying to say who you Are or, like, talk about you and your friends when they've seen us for two hours, when we've been hanging out for nine, ten months now.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Jeremiah Brown]

So I think that's, like, the hardest part is some of, like, people switching up.

[Nick]

And I was like, oh, what are the. Some of the narratives about you that you're reading that you find to be the most amazing, upsetting at this moment?

[Jeremiah Brown]

I would say, honestly, it's like the. The follower thing. Because they'll say, like, I'm a follower. And mind you, like, I have my own. Me and Pepe have our own issues. Right. It's not beef. We just, like, you'll see in the show, it's not beef. We just have our own opinions on things and we agree to go separate ways cordially. And people don't know that. So they're just calling me a follower. But then it's like, if I do choose sides, I'm a follower. But then if I don't choose sides, then a friend that all is a friend that none. So I'm just trapped in a. In a box.

[Nick]

Yeah, there is a lot of that in reality tv. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't. The only problem with that, you know, because the Internet isn't a limitless sea of opinions.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Yeah.

[Nick]

So, you know, you will find. Yeah, I know. It's one of those things where it's like, they're gonna. Someone's gonna be pissed.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Nick]

But I guess, give us the reality. You mentioned, like, Pepe, but, like, no,

[Jeremiah Brown]

no, it's no beef. We're just not friends.

[Nick]

Not friend. You're just not friends.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Yeah, there's no beef. Like, people think you disagree to disagree. Yeah, exactly. And people will see that. And it's like, they don't know that yet. So they're just like, follower, clout, chaser. And it's like, no, we're just not friends because of our own things we have going on that people don't know about.

[Nick]

So what people are saying is, like, are they expecting to have Pepe's back in a way that they don't feel like you are?

[Jeremiah Brown]

Yeah, I don't know what they think. I think it's just like, they seem with the girls, like, oh, he switched up on the guys. But it's really just me and Pepe had our own disagreement agreements, and I'm not here to bash him or there's no beef. It's just we're just not friends anymore.

[Nick]

It's like, that for months I've been following you. Since you came on the show the first time, I haven't seen you say anything bad.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Yeah, no, I said a podcast. Oh. I said we aren't friends. And the whole comment section is like, oh, high schooler, cloud chaser, follower. I'm just like, just not friends. Yeah, I know.

[Ish]

I was also gonna say I actually really appreciate your friendship with Iris and Hannah and Papaya that I'm like, seeing that you being like, hey, like, these are like my sisters and people that like, I, I feel like I'm actually getting real good feedback and being able to be there and to support them. And I'm like, I'm like, I really appreciate that perspective of you on the show. So just so you know, there's always going to be a hater for everything that you do, but there's a lot of people that like, appreciate it in

[Nick]

silence, you know, especially in reality tv because we, we, we're also. I don't, I'm imagining you're not a big Bravo fan, which is.

[Jeremiah Brown]

No, I respect Bravo. I don't like watch it quite to be honest, but I respect.

[Nick]

Well, we talk a lot. There's a lot of weak men on Bravo. And by weak men, it's just like they're down, you know, they, they're always riding for the boys. You know, it's always like short term gratification. Not, you know, in plain though, like, I didn't know better, you know, and they don't seem to like, stand up for the women in their lives in a meaningful way. So quite honestly, it's refreshing. It's refreshing to Sierra's point to see someone who like, isn't just like riding for the boys all the time.

[Ish]

Yeah, like, you seem like a, like I didn't know they existed but like a legitimate, like, like girls guy. You don't really hear that term a lot, but it's like you seem like somebody that like a woman could trust and feel safe around. So I do appreciate that a lot.

[Iris Kendall]

I think he's just a really good friend and like, he, he is a good friend to everybody, you know, and I'm, I'm so lucky that I, like, I met him because he, I'm lucky. And you know, we just like all have gotten closer and like, we all talk all the time. So it's, you know, we've just formed like a really close, close friendship.

[Nick]

And how about you, Iris? How has this experience been so difficult?

[Iris Kendall]

I have so much positive things happening in my life now that I'M like, I don't even pay any attention to the negative things that are going on and I kind of just like let it all go. But you know, there is negative. Like with good always comes bad. And you just have to really pay it no mind and, and go about your life. Otherwise you're gonna just get caught in like this negative cycle where it's like a back and forth with yourself and you don't wanna.

[Nick]

Yeah, no, it's so real.

[Iris Kendall]

It's true. Like, you don't wanna like let that stuff affect you because then it affects your friendships, it affects your family, it affects your work. So my outlook on life is like, no matter what happens, move on, stay positive, and like, good things come to good people and, and like, it will always get better no matter what.

[Nick]

I imagine it's difficult and you know, because this show beyond the Villa, obviously is capturing the friendships that you guys formed on Love island and the way these shows are filmed and aired, there's timelines are sometimes a little wonky and goofy and us fans obviously are just watching it through the lens of what we're being shown. And so I imagine like, you know, specifically, like with you and Pepe. I mean, in reality, like, that show was long, a long ass time ago. Yeah, like, right.

[Iris Kendall]

Like we don't care about it now.

[Nick]

You know, it's like we've, we've processed that. But now that we're watching this show and we're playing kind of catch up with you guys, kind of like, you know, where are they now? What do you guys have been up to? I imagine there's a lot, you know, there's just a lot of like revisiting old wounds.

[Iris Kendall]

Yes.

[Nick]

Is that a difficult thing to do?

[Iris Kendall]

You know, I feel like, you know, I think people kind of are like now hearing different sides of the story. And like, I think they're watching it and they're thinking that this happened like, so like it's fresh. But really we filmed so long ago and like, if we filmed like right when it was like all happening. So now we're all moved past, we're moved on, we're doing great things, things with our lives and building our friendships and, you know, just trying to live our lives. And it's just like, you're right, it does bring back like, you know, the what we went through and it's like, it's not fun, but you know, what, we signed up for it and like, that's what we have to like, deal with.

[Nick]

Yeah. I don't know either of you that. Well, I've gotten to know Jeremiah a little bit since interviewing him. We've kept in touch. But you both. You're not almost, in a way, and this is like, a compliment. You're kind of typical reality TV star. Like you. You guys seem to lean in the. Like, I don't look for the drama, you know, like, you're. You're there. You're just not. You don't come across as messy people. You find yourself in some messy stuff on Love Island. We don't have to revisit that. But even, like, Pep. And I was a big fan of Pepe watching the show. He seemed like a really standup guy. He seemed like, you know, like, we think of Jeremiah just like, you know what? We're rooting for him. And then obviously, the end of the. After the show happens, and it's just like, yo, like, we were caught off guard, I guess. Like, how do you. How do you process that? As someone who, like, you know, you're on these shows and you. You don't want to. You seem like you really. You're really good at giving the people in your life a lot of grace. As someone who wants to avoid the drama and give people grace, how do you find that balance between doing that and standing up for yourself and kind of being like, yo, that was fucked up. And, like, you know, like, sure, fine, we didn't have, like, a deep history. History, but you kind of played me and. And you. And you copped out on all the things that you kind of went back on. How do you manage that?

[Iris Kendall]

Personally, I would say, like, one thing I really pride myself on is my communication skills with everybody in my life. Like, I'm completely honest, even if it hurts with people about my feelings, because I just, like, kind of grew up that way. Like, that's just what how my parents taught me to communicate with people and. And go about situations. So you don't leave anything unsaid or you don't leave things bad with anybody. So I feel disappointed in, like, everything that, like, has happened. And I think, yeah, so I think if it's, like, really bad, really bad, I don't give people grace and I stand up for myself. But if it's something that, like, you know, sometimes people say things or, like, like, you know, I grew up with sisters, so, like, I've been called every single name in the book that you could possibly ever think. And so for me, I. Nothing really hurts me. Like, I have really thick skin when it comes to, like, things people say or, like, maybe an Incident that like, you know, I just like, think I don't have to like, say anything. I can sometimes just distance myself from that person. But like, with the situation that happened, I just like, kind of felt really disrespected and I, you know, I didn't. I couldn't give grace because it was like, not appropriate for me to do that.

[Nick]

Did you ever feel like you got genuine acknowledgment and accountability from Pepe when you, when you stood up for yourself?

[Iris Kendall]

No, I don't. I don't.

[Nick]

What was some of his excuses? Excuses?

[Iris Kendall]

Well, he just like, didn't like, take accountability for what he did. And that was just upsetting for me because I know the truth, you know, like, maybe I don't like, share every receipt in the world because I'm not that type of person. I'm not gonna do that, you know, Like, I'm not gonna bash somebody, but I know the truth and like, like, whether or not anyone like believes that or believes him or believes me, it doesn't matter to me because I know like, what I've been through and I know what I know, and it's like, I don't need to prove myself, you know?

[Sierra]

Hannah surprisingly got like a lot of negative feedback for standing up for you. Like, how hard was that for you to watch knowing that she's like such a genuine friend?

[Iris Kendall]

She, Hannah is one of my greatest friends and she is one of the best people that I've ever met in my life. And she is, you know, she's some. She's the type of friend that will always have her friends backs, you know, Love her so much and I, I feel so sad for her that that is happening and she does not deserve any of that at all. What's going on. And, and you know, people are seeing like, it's so frustrating. Cause it's like what we film in a show is like how many hours are we there for? Like 10 hours sometimes. And it's like you're seeing two seconds. So you. There's things that we do, like confessionals, we say so many things and it's like it only gets chopped up into two seconds and then like, people run with it, you know, and it's like, it's. It feels unfair sometimes. But I think, like, I just really hope that like, you know, people give people grace when it comes to, you know, all of us.

[Nick]

What is, what is Pepe's truth when it comes to like, his version of what guys. But I'm sure he has his story of, of.

[Iris Kendall]

Yeah, I don't know his story. I just know that, like, there was no accountability taken, and I would have appreciated accountability over. I mean, I feel like people will see what ends up happening. But, you know, it is what it is. At the end of the day, it

[Nick]

seems like is Pepe have like a. Like a. Like a strong support fan base that, like, is he. Because I'm confused. What it seems like, is he getting a lot of people defending. Defending him in general?

[Iris Kendall]

I don't know. I mean, I. I feel like I'm honestly, like, don't even pay attention to, like.

[Ish]

Yeah, I would say Pepe's like the villain of the season.

[Iris Kendall]

I would say that he's not on my algorithm. And I, I just, like, I. I really just wish.

[Nick]

Not interested.

[Iris Kendall]

I wish nothing but the best for everybody. And, you know, you know, it's. It is what it is at the end of the day, and I'm in such a better place in my life than I was, and I've moved on and, you know, I. It kind of is what it is at this point, you know.

[Nick]

Jeremiah, what do you hope people get to know more about you as they watch this season unfold?

[Jeremiah Brown]

Honestly, I'm excited for them to see me, you know, with the guys of the show. Cause honestly, like, my close guy friends from the Villa aren't really on the show. Like, you know, Jalen didn't do it. Nick didn't do it. So it's like my really close friends from. That I met on the violin aren't even on the show besides, like, you know, Charlie. So I'm really excited for people to see me and Charlie in Palm Springs. We have a great moment. I'm excited for that.

[Nick]

We ran into Charlie, Natalie and I. Oh, really? On Larchmont?

[Jeremiah Brown]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

A couple months ago.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Larch, my guy.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Is that, you know, it's. I'm just thinking back to Love island and just like that, you know, the. You had. You had Ace and Nick and Taylor and they, you know, they had that little treat and you almost felt like, you know, you know how you got voted off almost the odd man out and. And is there a bit of, you know, maybe it's you reading the Internet, but a sensitivity of like, you know, because I've had this before. Like, I've always really valued my friendships with women, and I've always had a lot of great men friendships, but I, I'm. I. I've done both where, you know, sometimes early on that was almost portrayed as this, like, I didn't know how to be friends with guys. And in a way, you know, and are you. Are you reading into that? Where, like, you. Is that something that's getting in your head where, you know, we watched Love island and you had these three men, like, buddy up and they kind of, like, exiled you in a way. And like, you know what? I'm. Does that make sense?

[Jeremiah Brown]

I never really got that because one, Austin was there for me. Austin was, like, telling people about all the lies that were on my name while I was on the date. And two, it's like, I have such. Nejean, Spencer Grant, Caleb Cortez. It's like, I have amazing, amazing day runs. Friends I love had for, like, eight years since college. We go to. We're going to Spain in July. Like, I have, like, day one brothers that I'm with, like, die for each other since college. So, like, when people say, oh, girls, this girl's ass, like, bro, I have, like, the best guy friends in the entire world. Iggy. Shout out Iggy. So it's just like. And we do everything together, like, fly my television, Airbnb. So it's like, when that. That doesn't affect me because it's like, I have the best girlfriends in the world. Sisters, brothers, parents, family. Like, my inner. Inner circle is the best part about me. So when it's like, oh, this and

[Iris Kendall]

that, it's like, I met his guy friends, too, and they're all, oh, God, you did? Yeah, we all went bowling. And, like, they're. They're super nice. Like, you do have a really good.

[Nick]

Well, I said. Because, like, my first, you know, when I first went on reality tv, it was a group of men who were just, like, not my type of guys. You know, they were heavy drinkers. They were just very, like, bros. And, like, I just didn't, like, particularly, like, I didn't become close, you know, close friends with them, but like, you. It's just like. Like, I got a. A great group of friends. But on that show, yeah, that. On that show, the narrative was like, oh, no, you know, he's not friends with any of these guys. And in. In the. In from the audience perspectives, these were the only men that existed in the world, you know, and it was like, well, if you can't be friends with the only men that we are talking about, then you clearly can.

[Jeremiah Brown]

I mean, yeah, I. At the end of the day, like, Iris was the one that pulled me out from under, so it's like, of course I'm going to be best friends with hers.

[Ish]

Like, yeah, can I ask you guys, what has been. Because obviously you get out of the villa, right? And now this entire season that you've been living, we've all been watching. So you have to rewatch it. Did you guys rewatch your season of Love Island?

[Iris Kendall]

Yeah.

[Nick]

No.

[Ish]

No. Really?

[Jeremiah Brown]

I messed up. Cause I watched one episode and I was like, oh, it's pretty accurate. But I didn't watch the others where they weren't accurate. So yeah, I should have watched them all.

[Nick]

But I've talked to, I think you guys not maybe it's well past, but I think future Love island people, I think they should. Because whatever you think is accurate or not accurate about what watch, I can promise you it's a lot more accurate than the fans clip about you guys.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Yeah, that's true.

[Nick]

And get into your head and start like saying like they come up with their own narratives and by the time you guys leave the island, you have all these followers and you have all these fan theories and like how they interpreted what you saw. And so if you don't watch it, you eyes, you guys are living your Love island experience to the lens of a fan who literally has no idea how any of this shit works. And I honestly think that's bananas that. Do you guys don't watch your shows?

[Iris Kendall]

Yeah, I think it's because we like lived it and so it's like if

[Ish]

we watch it, if it is 30 hours of television.

[Nick]

Well, that's assuming. If you cannot go to the DMs and not read the comments, then don't, don't watch it. But I've seen too many people go on these shows and then react to what fans are telling them they watched.

[Iris Kendall]

Oh, like react live or.

[Nick]

Yeah, or just like react and general. Yeah, just react in general. Like someone will send you a DM or someone will send you a clip from something else and they interpret it and like you didn't watch and you'd be like, yo, they said, you know what I'm saying?

[Ish]

Like, that's not what that, that's not what happened there, you know?

[Iris Kendall]

Yeah, I try not to like let

[Jeremiah Brown]

that I gave up on explaining myself like I am who you say I am.

[Iris Kendall]

Right. Because it's like sometimes like when people form like a specific opinion about you, they're not going to change their mind, you know, like, you can't make grown people change their mind, you know? And also I, I'm probably never going to be able to like meet them or like we're never going to be able to meet them to like say that. So it's just kind of a thing where you just have to accept and just realize, you know what, my life is good. And I don't like pay any mind to the negativity.

[Ish]

So then what I was going to ask is kind of like a. You guys lived a very interesting, specific experience living in that villa, and then now we're doing beyond the villa, right? So, so it's like two completely different filming styles. And yet again, you guys are in a precarious situation where you're filming with exes, things that just like normal people don't have to do. What's been the hardest thing about filming beyond the villa? And what's been the hardest thing about watching it come out versus Love Island?

[Iris Kendall]

I feel like, I guess filming for such a long time and then, oh, wow, my 24 hour or 12 hour day was cut up into two seconds. I'm like, great. Like, that was a lot of work, you know, for two seconds of my day. But it's, I guess it's just like the, the business, you know, So I feel like that was like, that's been hard. And also just like in the villa, like you don't know the time and you don't know what day it is. And that is almost purposeful, I feel like, so that way. And no phone. So you don't like go, I'm tired or I, you know, I, I was fine. Like, truly, like, I was tired. I mean, I was tired at the end of the day, but I feel like I was like not knowing the time or anything. I was doing pretty good.

[Nick]

It's kind of fascinating you think about that because again, like, part of the reason why that works is because they're, they're, they're reducing where you're spending your energy to outside distractions and then, and therefore you have more energy and time to focus on, on literally what's in front of you. And it is kind of fascinating just when you realize just how much energy we do spend on outside things. When our phone gives us, our phone gives the world access to us in a way that other people would never have access to us if we didn't have that relationship on our phone. It's just always kind of fascinating because it's weird them when they take that phone away. But there's a level of like, there's

[Jeremiah Brown]

so much for anything that's kind of

[Nick]

dope, you know, like, it's kind of,

[Iris Kendall]

it is, I, it was kind of like nice not having a phone. And you know, I, I, there was a point in My life where I didn't even have a phone. So, like, I didn't think that that was gonna ever happen again, but. But it was really, like, nice not to scroll or, like, not to talk. I mean, it was kind of. I missed my family, but it was kind of nice having, like, a little break and like, just. That's why I feel like we all get really close, is because, like, we kind of lean on each other there and. Yeah, I. I think it's like a crazy experience.

[Nick]

So what does your dating lives, like, look like right now these days? Like, are you. How's tj?

[Iris Kendall]

Are you good? Yeah, we're. We're dating. We. We've been dating for. I don't know. I just. I saw like, Love island, like, posted a. And it was like, of TJ asking me to be his girlfriend. And everybody was like, oh, my God, now you're. You guys just started dating. I'm like, we have been dating for many months now, but everything's going really good. And we are. We have, like, the best relationship ever. And I can't even believe I met him on a dating show.

[Nick]

How and where? He doesn't live in la, right?

[Iris Kendall]

No, he lives in Tampa.

[Nick]

Okay, so how do you guys make a long distance relationship?

[Iris Kendall]

Um, well, you know, I travel for work. He travels. He comes here a lot for work as well, so it kind of works out. But we, we just like, have been traveling back and forth and it's. We haven't experienced, like, any problems. Like, of course we miss each other, but I feel like during the filming too, like, he was in LA a lot of the time, so we really, really spent so much time together that now it's like we're. We need to get our, like, our lives situated back at home.

[Nick]

And like, you know, knowing how things played out with Pepe and knowing that you have this relationship with tj that you're really. You seem genuinely excited about it. Is there any. Almost like, man, I wonder, like, if you guys could have. You and TJ could have captured that. That relationship and that love that you guys have on Love Island. Does that ever. Do you look back, you know, and is there any frustration of wishing, like, you and TJ would have ended up on Love island just to memorialize that relationship in a way where, like, now fans maybe respond differently because we didn't get to see it on Love island or do you not give a shit?

[Iris Kendall]

You know, I just. I feel like everything kind of happens for a reason. And, you know, it was played out the way it was Supposed to, I guess. And you know, I do, like, obviously wish TJ didn't get voted out that night. And that really sucked for me. But, you know, it's what happened and like, there's no. Can't change it, you know, about you.

[Nick]

What's your love life looking like?

[Jeremiah Brown]

Bleak. Nah. Nah. I'm not dating no one though.

[Ish]

Can I ask you, I know that you said it was about the friendship, but, like, you and Andrina, what was the breaking point or what was the deciding factor as to, like, why you guys wouldn't take a stab out of a relationship?

[Jeremiah Brown]

I can't speak on her part. I know for me personally, like, I just love her so much as a friend. You know what I'm saying? So.

[Iris Kendall]

Yeah, but she's so beautiful.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Yeah, she's the best.

[Nick]

She deserves that.

[Ish]

But she already said the personality.

[Jeremiah Brown]

I'm just saying it's funny cuz, like in the. In the friends giving scene, like, I'm there for like 10 minutes and like, oh, you're ignoring her. I'm like, I literally walked in and walked out. And the thing is, like, that was filmed months ago. Me and Andrea just kicked it. So I. I promise our friendship is good.

[Nick]

And she. She feels like, you got you, you. You guys are on the same page. It's not like she's not confused about

[Jeremiah Brown]

the status maybe like in some of the episodes for sure. But that was like, four months ago. Like, right now we're probably like the best we've ever been as friends.

[Nick]

Okay. So if we. If we watch it and they're seeing, like, as of today, you guys are in a good place.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Yeah, like, we were never in a bad place. Like, yeah, we have some scenes where, you know, there's mixed signals, et cetera, et cetera. But. But it's like, no, we just went on a trip together. So, like, we're very good.

[Nick]

How are you and Brian?

[Jeremiah Brown]

Good. Good.

[Nick]

Okay, good. How did. How do you feel about how he handled things with Amaya?

[Jeremiah Brown]

The thing is, I never even met Brian until way later, so I had no, like, yeah, I knew he had done something disrespectful, but I couldn't, like, judge him because I don't know too much. But I've talked to Amaya a bunch about it and I wasn't going to be like, oh, you know, f Brian, because I never even met him, so how can I say that? So it was always just like, okay over there. And then I talked to Amaya and then I actually just texted Brian when I seen the episode because he took such great accountability, which means a lot to me as a man. So it was like, okay, I respect bruh. I text him, y'.

[Nick]

All.

[Jeremiah Brown]

I really respect what you did. This. Why? I knew you were always cool. Like, him and Amaya are cordial. So what do I look like holding angst against that? Especially if we're cool? Like, I had a lot of fun filming with him. It was cool. It was a lot of fun.

[Nick]

Okay. Yeah. So he doesn't seem like, yeah, he's owned it.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Like, yeah, he disrespected her. And then he immediately recognized what he told her to her face. I did this wrong. I apologize. And they moved on. They squashed it. I really respect that.

[Nick]

Okay. Makes a lot of sense. We have the next season of Love island coming up fairly soon. Do you guys have any fomo?

[Jeremiah Brown]

Describe fomo.

[Nick]

Just almost, like, I imagine you have a lot of memories of flying to Fiji and the whole process and waking up in the villa and knowing that there's going to be a whole new cast of. Of people doing that. Not that you necessarily want to go back, but does it make you think about that experience in a way that.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Oh, yeah, for sure. When I get, like, the Snapchat memories of the airport in the hotel, for sure.

[Iris Kendall]

It's nice, like, just being kind of, like, on. In Fiji in a beautiful house and that. It was fun. But also, like, definitely don't. I personally don't have FOMO about it because I am just, like, really in such a good place.

[Ish]

I was gonna say he walked away with a great relationship. Yeah.

[Iris Kendall]

Yeah, exactly. Like, not at all, you know, Like, I'm excited for the next season, and I hope that they, like, really enjoy their experience and, like, take every minute, you know, like, enjoy every minute of it. Because I could see why people miss hanging out with everyone in a fun house every day, you know, Jeremiah, because

[Ish]

obviously it's been done before. And obviously Love island, huge franchise across international waters. If you got the call to either come back as a bombshell for us, would you do it? And second part, if not, would you be a bombshell on a different franchise like Australia or UK or original cast? Yeah.

[Iris Kendall]

Or.

[Ish]

Yeah.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Honestly, I don't even think they would let me bombshell, because I know that it would, like, mess up some of the voting potential eventually.

[Ish]

Never say never.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Oh, I mean, we'll see.

[Nick]

But I mean, Rob was a bombshell.

[Ish]

I was gonna say. I've seen people come back, Lucinda. Like, so many people have come back or, like, shown up on, like, Australia two years after or whatever. So I'm just. I'm just wondering, like, would. If the relationship status stays bleak, would you be tempted by a call from Love Island?

[Jeremiah Brown]

That's a great question. Perhaps

[Ish]

that's not.

[Iris Kendall]

If they're still all stars too.

[Ish]

That's what I'm saying.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I don't.

[Jeremiah Brown]

I don't know. I have mixed feelings about it. I would have. Yeah, I have mixed feelings about it, for sure.

[Nick]

Final question before you got. We let you guys go with the season coming up, and I. And I thought of this question when hearing you talk about tj and. And you reminded me, like, how he got voted off and that whole, like, drama. And this is no disrespect to the wonderful producers who make a fantastic show, but if you guys had the opportunity to make some producer decisions for the upcoming season, season of Love island, what's one piece of input that you would offer to the producers in a way that you think would make both the experiences of the cast better and the. And the experience of the viewers a little bit better? Because I think as viewers, it sometimes feels frustrating at the end to, like, not really, like, you know, like, why. Why weren't. Why weren't you in tj, given every opportunity to explore that relationship? It's called Love Island. And yet it felt like. It felt like that's not what we were. What we were getting. And I'm just wondering, would you guys have a note for a producer?

[Jeremiah Brown]

Bring back movie night 1,000%.

[Iris Kendall]

Yes.

[Jeremiah Brown]

I had to find out so much stuff that was said about me, my back, that was just lies after the fact, and I was just like. And the viewers, too. So. Yeah. Bring back movie night night for show.

[Nick]

Remember that video we showed you when you first came on?

[Jeremiah Brown]

Yeah. Wait, what one was it? The edit.

[Nick]

Yeah. When I was, like, a snitch.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Oh, yeah, no, Nick's free now. That's my dog. But, yeah, that's crazy, bro.

[Iris Kendall]

I would just say, like, bring back the public voting maybe, because they also.

[Jeremiah Brown]

I wonder.

[Mary]

Voting.

[Iris Kendall]

Yeah. Because we voted for each other a lot. I don't think, like, the public ever voted. Besides, like, when TJ went home, at least when I was there, you know, I think. I don't know.

[Nick]

Yeah. Because I imagine when. When the. The cast votes, it's. It's very.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Well, you feel like when Charlie got voted off brought that I was gonna die. That's like, even though it was a TV show, that's still one of the worst nights of my life. The night Charlie went home.

[Nick]

Oh, my God, why is that?

[Jeremiah Brown]

It's just. You just feel like they're gonna go get executed.

[Nick]

Like I don't know how to.

[Jeremiah Brown]

People like they were like, oh, they're not really crying. We was dead ass crying. Like we were dead. And then a big ass bug came and hit Austin in the head and then it cut. So that's why we were laughing. So like people were like, oh, they still talk about that. Like we were fake crying. We were dead ass crying for like 10 minutes. And then a big ass, like big,

[Iris Kendall]

giant bug looks in my hand popped

[Jeremiah Brown]

Austin literally in his forehead. And then we all started crying, like laughing, like.

[Iris Kendall]

Cause I think his head was like down and they're like, he was like, what the.

[Jeremiah Brown]

And then he started flipping out. So it's like, yeah, no, the night chill got void off.

[Iris Kendall]

Not a little one, one like big like this. I'm not gonna even kidding.

[Nick]

Huge bug.

[Jeremiah Brown]

And so that's why we go from crying to laughing because he literally got. He couldn't make it up.

[Nick]

How is Austin doing? He's recently, you know, been in the news because he's kind of very vulnerably opened up about, you know, his, his struggle. He relapsed, he talked about. Have you been checking in on him? How's he doing?

[Jeremiah Brown]

Yes, I have. I'm never one to leak like anything like text wise, but I was talking to him late December, checking up on him because I could sense something was amiss, you know, and that didn't go well, you know, like it was not received well. So I was like, okay, you know, and then we filmed together. We were still, we were still good friends. And then he went out and, you know, went through heaven and came back. And then the second I saw he was back, you know, we chopped it up on the phone. So. Yeah.

[Nick]

Okay, so he seems to be heading in the right direction.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Yeah, yeah, we're always wishing the best, texting him.

[Nick]

Awesome.

[Jeremiah Brown]

He's back on the right track.

[Nick]

Awesome. Well, I could talk to you guys for forever, but I know you have to get going and I appreciate you guys taking the time. It's been fun to catch up with you guys and I'm excited to see how things unravel. And beyond the villa, it seems like there's a lot more, you know, if nothing else, you. You guys seem to be compared to maybe the pre last season willing to share with us, you know, these experiences. I feel like maybe last season I think it was hard to get that cast to open up. So it's been fun to see you guys do that. And despite, I know the challenges of, of how the Internet interacts with you guys. But I appreciate you guys like showing up and I know it's never easy, but you guys are, we're such fans of you guys. It's been fun to see you guys, you know, in your journeys and you guys really seem like great people. You know, I've been a huge fan of yours since we got a chance to meet and, you know, it's like, and it's fun to see examples of how you can be entertaining and interesting without being overly dramatic and messy. And I think you guys both represent that in a really great way.

[Jeremiah Brown]

So, yeah, that's really the goal for beyond the Village. Stay out the drama. That's like a goal. Eat, eat. Travel and then just support my friends.

[Ish]

Bombshell. Sorry, what?

[Nick]

They're not going to let you bomb.

[Iris Kendall]

You're pushing for the bombshell.

[Ish]

I'm pushing. I'm pushing.

[Nick]

Well, I think that will do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guest, Jeremiah and Iris and thank you guys for watching. Do not forget to check out part one of Temptation Island Reunion that dropped yesterday. And tomorrow, part two of the Temptation island reunion is exclusive here on the Vile File, so be sure to check that out. If you are listening to the episode, check out the extended version on YouTube for you guys to be thoroughly entertained. All right, see you guys tomorrow. Thanks for coming.

[Jeremiah Brown]

Thanks for having us.

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