E1119 - INSANE Summer House Updates, NFL Cheating Scandal, McBee Drama & Selling Sunset's Sandra Vergara

Summary

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The Viall Files: Reality Recap

Episode 1119 – INSANE Summer House Updates, NFL Cheating Scandal, McBee Drama & Selling Sunset’s Sandra Vergara
April 30, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of The Viall Files is a jam-packed Reality Recap hosted by Nick Viall, with panelists Natalie Joy (wife), Mary, Justin, Sierra, and additional Household members. The crew dives deep into several hot topics shaking the world of reality TV and pop culture, including:

• A major Summer House controversy
• An alleged NFL cheating scandal
• Explosive McBee Dynasty drama
• An interview with Sandra Vergara of Selling Sunset

The conversation is unfiltered, lively, and opinionated, offering armchair analysis, real-time reactions, and plenty of industry tea.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NFL Cheating Scandal: Diana Russini & Mike Vrabel

[03:33 – 08:22]

• Breakdown:
  The panel recaps wild rumors circulating the NFL, involving respected reporter Diana Russini and Mike Vrabel (current New England Patriots coach, formerly of the Titans). Allegations suggest a years-long affair, with internet sleuths citing social media clues, including a playlist titled “TurninThePage” shared with a user named “Mike” and cryptic tweets about a baby named Michael.
• Discussion:
  • The plausibility of a journalist having an affair with a coach.
  • The practice of sharing playlists as modern love tokens.
  • The panel debates digital privacy and how speculation quickly spirals on the internet.
• Quote:

  “Honestly, this is like a technical question: for someone as famous as him—would he even know how to see playlists?!” – Nick [07:14]

• Tone: Playful and incredulous, with emphasis on how little is really confirmed, poking fun at “internet sleuthing.”

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2. McBee Dynasty Drama: Public Cheating Accusations and Misogyny

[08:54 – 18:08]

• Breakdown:
  Steven McBee publicly accuses his girlfriend (Ali) of cheating at Stagecoach, posts DMs and screenshots, uses derogatory language (“she’s a whore... ribble person”), then posts an apology reel. Ali responds with her own evidence, including a video and screen-capped texts showing his verbal abuse. His ex-girlfriend chimes in to suggest this is a pattern.
• Panel Take:
  • Disbelief and condemnation at Steven’s behavior; universally called out as toxic, emotionally abusive, and misogynistic—not just a single meltdown.
  • Reflection on how women often bear the brunt of online fallout, despite clear evidence of male toxicity.
  • Frustration that major outlets and fans initially supported Steven, missing or ignoring the abuse in his own words.
• Quotes:

  “Does he—clearly—is this a joke or something?” – Nick [10:51]
  “He’s not being that cryptic. He pauses between ‘whore’ and ‘ribble person’…” – Nick [10:51]
  “You want that solidified?” – Justin [11:15]
  “That’s a pattern at that point. That’s who you are as a person.” – Justin [17:45]

• Notable Moment:
  The Household calls out Bravo’s pattern of men displaying toxic and even abusive behavior, with ex-girlfriends validating the claims ([17:00]).

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3. Guest Interview: Sandra Vergara (Selling Sunset)

[23:09 – 40:45]

• Background:
  Sandra—newest Selling Sunset cast member, sister to Sofia Vergara—joins the show for a candid chat.
• Key Topics:
  • Making the leap from traditional entertainment to reality TV following a tough breakup.
  • Actually having to earn her real estate license to join Selling Sunset:

    “If I do something, I go all in. I don’t half-ass, you know. Full ass.” – Sandra [26:34]

  • Navigating the “shit show” of reality TV, with surprising support from Jason Oppenheim and difficulties connecting with Chrishell.
  • How being on Selling Sunset might open doors to help others through “alignment blueprints” and her work as a counselor.
  • Sandra’s newfound appreciation for reality TV, particularly The Age of Attraction and Love Island:

    “Last year, my best friend was asking me to watch Love Island… I binged it in like two days!” [30:39]

• Advice Segment:
  Sandra’s top 3 relationship rules ([36:08]):
  1. Don’t play games—text if you want to, but from a healthy place.
  2. Don’t drink too much on early dates—“2 max, keep it cute.”
  3. Take your time—don’t rush into sex, the “reveal” is worth waiting for.
• Memorable moment:
  Genuine laughter and warmth as Sandra and the panel (especially the women) bond over her voice, Colombiana wisdom, and authenticity.
• Closing:
  Nick invites her back for a future “Ask Nick” episode. Panel and listeners are left charmed and wanting more.

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4. Summer House Scandal Recap & Dissection

[43:01 – 68:50]

The Players & Timeline:

• Kyle & Amanda: Married for 10 years, marriage dissolving on-screen.
• Sierra & West: Years-long situationship, unresolved feelings.
• Amanda & West: Begin hooking up, shocking the house and viewers.

Major Talking Points:

• How West positions himself as both not-in-control and in total control—offering “just enough” to women to keep options open ([47:29], [51:22]).
• Amanda taking most of the internet’s hate for betraying Sierra, despite West’s manipulations.
• Panel grapples with empathy—trying (and failing) to justify Amanda’s actions given her past and West’s conduct, while condemning her dishonesty and lack of real friendship toward Sierra.
• The inescapable “pick me” narrative: Amanda justifying her actions as brave and “doing what scares you,” yet clearly running from loneliness and past disappointments ([53:41]).
• How emotional cheating and betrayal of friendship is often more painful—and less forgivable—than physical cheating ([60:56]).
• Dissection of “timeline clues” from Amanda’s cryptic Instagram posts.
• Anticipation (and concern) for the coming reunion episodes: what could redeem Amanda or West?

Quotes & Moments:

• Mary on West:

  “He says what he wants to say to appease whatever woman he thinks is paying attention at that moment.” [44:22]

• Justin:

  “West is a game player. West is a clout chaser… you saw it even in how he apologizes: it’s about him.” [51:22]

• Nick:

  “What I refer to as the modern 2026 weak man… He sets just enough boundaries with these women, gives them just enough to keep them close while always having deniability.” [47:29]

• Sierra:

  “At the end of the day West [bleeped] his friend’s wife. How are we missing that part?” [68:50]

• The group debates the line between reality TV drama and real harm, especially as these storylines spill into fans’ parasocial relationships and social media attacks ([77:13]).

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5. Pop Culture Grab Bag: Dr. Dre & The Valley

[71:01 – 75:57]

• Michelle from The Valley rumored to be dating Dr. Dre (and previously linked to Quentin Tarantino); panel snickers at LA’s “type” and the oddities of reality TV stardom.
• Reflections on how thirst for relevance and screen time forces messier, more outrageous reality TV scandals.
• Is Bravo rewarding toxicity for the sake of ratings? Panel recognizes the Catch-22 of “good TV” being bad for real relationships.

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

| Quote | Speaker | Timestamp | |---|---|---| | “If you have to ask someone for a playlist, that’s not love.” | Additional Panelist | 06:23 | | “That's a pattern at that point. That's who you are as a person.” | Justin (on Steven McBee) | 17:45 | | “If I do something, I go all in. I don't half-ass, you know. Full ass.” | Sandra Vergara | 26:34 | | “You want that solidified?” (on McBee’s “whore ribble” slip) | Justin | 11:15 | | “West is a game player. West is a clout chaser… you saw it even in how he apologizes: it’s about him.” | Justin | 51:22 | | “I just don't think she's at that point of clarity. She's clearly doubling and tripling down.” | Nick (on Amanda) | 49:38 | | “At the end of the day, West [bleeped] his friend’s wife. How are we missing that part?” | Sierra | 68:50 |

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Segment Timestamps

• NFL Cheating Scandal: 03:33 – 08:22
• McBee Drama: 08:54 – 18:08
• Sandra Vergara Interview: 23:09 – 40:45
• Summer House Dissection: 43:01 – 68:50
• Michelle / Dr. Dre / The Valley: 71:01 – 75:57

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Episode Summary – Atmosphere & Takeaways

• Tone: Candid, quick-witted, at times frustrated but always fan-forward.
• Panel Dynamics: Supports one another in condemnation of toxic behaviors, often using humor to cope with the absurdity of reality TV drama.
• Value: Offers nuanced perspectives, inside jokes for Bravo fans, and genuinely thoughtful social commentary on empathy and the realities behind reality TV.
• Guest Appearance: Sandra Vergara shines as a warm, self-aware, and motivational figure—panel deeply enjoys her segment.
• Closing Thoughts: The group urges listeners to enjoy the drama but resist bullying real people for their on-screen (or off-screen) choices—reminding listeners that parasocial anger says more about the watcher than the watched.

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For Reality TV & Pop Culture Fans:
This episode delivers all the juicy breakdowns & critical conversations you crave—along with a standout interview that brings fresh energy and wisdom to the panel.

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Transcript

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[Nick Jo]

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. I'm your host, Nick Jo, joined by my wife of two years and two days.

[Sierra]

Okay, Period.

[Nick Jo]

Yeah, we did it.

[Sierra]

Two years and three weeks and four hours.

[Nick Jo]

We really did it.

[Mary]

But who's counting?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Jo]

We also have the household with us. Mary. Justin, sweet boy. Justin Sierra is with us today. We got so much to talk about. We have a new and updated episode of Summer House. Certainly to get into. It's activating everyone, including Lindsay Hubbard, who has also had an appearance on Watch what Happens Live. And she definitely showed up. It was a lot of fun. Also this episode, after we get into all things Summer House scandal, we have Sandra Vergara. She is the sister of Sofia Vergara, and she's also a star of Selling Sunset, a relatively new cast member. And I'm just, like, always as fascinated by the, the, the stars that families have. And like, there is such a, like, a separation between reality, reality TV star and like, as we, like, refer to real stars. It's just like an, you know, interesting dynamic. But we get to know Sandra later this episode and. And you will be glad that we did. She's such a fascinating person. And again, I know many of you are fans of Selling Sunset, and I think we just have a lot of questions about, like, what's the future of the show? And hopefully Sandra can help us answer some of those. We got some other scandals going on in the universe of reality TV and the NFL, which I don't. I assume a lot of people who listen to the show have, you know, maybe you're an NFL fan, maybe you're the man in your life as an NFL fan, but that is a scandal that. Honestly, Sierra, I'm guessing you don't know about it.

[Sierra]

How did you know?

[Nick Jo]

It really puts Amanda to shame in

[Justin]

terms of like, yeah, there's like, maybe a child out of wedlock involved.

[Nick Jo]

There's paternity speculation, there's playlists.

[Mary]

Is this the woman who, like, named her baby after her, the guy she's having an affair with?

[Nick Jo]

We don't know for sure.

[Mary]

Allegedly.

[Sierra]

I mean, she gave him the same name. Yeah.

[Nick Jo]

To break it down once again, really quickly, we have Diana Rossini, a very accomplished NFL beat writer. She worked for espn. She, she covers, like, breaking news for the NFL. Recent pictures with her and Mike Rabel, the head coach of the New England Patriots, formerly the head coach of the Tennessee Titans. And it was speculated they had a recent affair of some kind. Some photos that were, were, were, were put out on the Internet that showed some recent canoodling. And now as the Internet has picked up on it and has gained a lot of attention, now you're going back and discovering that this is probably a relationship that's been maybe going on for years, 5, 6 plus years old. Photos of them, like, getting cozying at the bar. In between that time she gave birth to a Baby boy and named him Michael. Mike Vrabel is the man in question that she's has this alleged affair with. She also tweeted, you know I said this on today's episode. She tweeted something. Just sitting here with my 4 year old, 4 day old baby, wondering how what other like famous NFL head coaches and players are named Mike. Which really gives. She's cryptically trying to tell the world that like this is, this is another man's baby. I don't like. It's. Maybe it's just all just a coincidence. I don't know. And then like I think it was yesterday. Someone found a Spotify playlist.

[Justin]

Can we, I have the playlist up if we want to go through it.

[Nick Jo]

So give me the detail because like she's only shared it with a person named Mike. Was that, was that what it was?

[Mary]

Yes.

[Justin]

So basically, Diana Rossini made a Spotify playlist called Turn in the page. Turn in one word, no G ending on the end the page that she shared with a user named Mike on December 19, 2022, which just so happens to coincide with a four game Titans losing streak. He was head coach of the Titans for at this time, the Spotify playlist.

[Nick Jo]

You got, you got people picking apart the playlist. There's that.

[Sierra]

So she's like trying to give him some like motivational advice of like, you got to turn the page, babe.

[Justin]

Yeah, it's like cuff it Big energy, break my soul, House party, you know. Raise your Glass by Pink can't stop. Red Hot Chili Peppers. Welcome to the jungle.

[Nick Jo]

Can I have, I have a question for Mary and Justin. Oh, maybe, maybe a question for you too. But like, I come from the generation where we would make play, we would burn CDs and make playlists for our, our, our crushes and our lovers and it was a thing. And Diana is around my age. Is that something y' all still doing for each other?

[Additional Panelist]

My answer to that, Nick, is if you have to ask someone you a playlist, that's not love. If they're making you a playlist without you asking for sure.

[Nick Jo]

But are you guys doing that? Because that was definitely a thing when I was like out there in my early teens and late in my 20s.

[Justin]

It is, to be honest, from in my personal experience, the amount of psychological warfare I have committed on people, that's crazy. From the playlists I have made for them all. Like I. Because I'm so intentional about every single thing. I'm a psycho when it comes to making a playlist. So yeah, people are still doing it.

[Additional Panelist]

One, are your playlists private? Because a lot of people don't know that. If you know someone's Spotify username, you can see all of the playlists that they've made.

[Justin]

Mine are public on purpose.

[Nick Jo]

Leak it anyway. And do we know, how do we know? Like, is it, is it Mike Vrabel's playlist? But how do we know it's connected to a mic? How's that work?

[Additional Panelist]

Can you see if it's shared with someone? Usually if you have Spotify open, you can.

[Nick Jo]

Okay.

[Justin]

I've never seen the. If it shared with someone.

[Nick Jo]

It's my understanding that the Internet has connected it to a guy named Mike, but not necessarily Mike Vrabel himself.

[Justin]

I mean it said, well, this looks like a collaborative.

[Nick Jo]

Honestly, looking like. I'm not saying it's not him, I'm just, I, I honestly, this is like a technical question of like, for someone as famous as him.

[Sierra]

That sounds like Diana being like, guys, no, this is for my cousin Mike.

[Nick Jo]

She has since deleted this playlist, by the way, once it was discovered.

[Justin]

Of course she has.

[Mary]

Maybe she sent it to one of the other Michaels she was asking about in the tweet with the NFL.

[Sierra]

So true. She was like, wait, guys, I need to share this with a M. Mike, who I'm sitting here with my four tailed.

[Justin]

And also, guess what? Like, so famous, famous other correspondents in the NFL, Mike and Mike in the Morning. So it could have been either.

[Sierra]

I don't think she was asking for. I think she was asking for players and head coaches.

[Additional Panelist]

And this was 2022, so four years ago.

[Nick Jo]

That's four years ago. Anyways, we got, you know, she's married, they got kids together, he's married. I mean, compared to Scamando where you got like a situationship that's two years old and a married couple that is separated but not divorced. And like, I mean we'll get in the episode but like this is the first time I've really felt for Kyle and that him talking about the lack of responses from Amanda is like, was jarring. That was, that was wild. Anyway, we'll get into that. Also, have you guys seen this whole like McBee dynasty drama going on?

[Sierra]

Nuts.

[Mary]

Yeah, like in and out.

[Justin]

It's insane.

[Additional Panelist]

Every hour there's another thing as well.

[Sierra]

Like I feel like I, I mean it started yesterday or the day before that, but he like randomly posted on his Instagram story alleging that his girlfriend has. Was cheating on him at Stagecoach and like was posting how he's gotten dms and he's gotten these calls and he was like, I literally left her yesterday to come home. And now I'm being told that she was like cheating on me all night, like, grinding on guy. He posts a screenshot of a video that someone sent him of her and a guy, I guess.

[Nick Jo]

Is this the video that you showed me?

[Sierra]

Yeah, he just posted a screenshot of it. He didn't post the actual video, but he posted like the message along with the video from a fan being like, hey, are you still dating this girl? Because she was like grinding on this guy all night and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Here's the video of it. And then he posts like, while I'm up at the gym at 4:30 in the morning, she's at an after party. Like, just. These are all on his stories. Then he posts a reel and he's like, I just want to apologize to like my family and my friends and my business associates who saw me kind of like crash out on my stories. I just was like, so taken aback and I couldn't believe what I was hearing and what I was seeing. And like, she's just the type of person who.

[Nick Jo]

Keep in mind this is him allegedly like coming down from this, like alleged, like freak out.

[Sierra]

Yeah, he was saying that he was like spiraling crash out this morning.

[Nick Jo]

Like, this is his rational version of him.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Okay. Now he's giving like more details and he's like, you know, I just was really not expect. You know, I don't know.

[Justin]

We.

[Sierra]

She's really just the type of person who cares about every event and she's just such an attention seeking person. And like, she's definitely not a housewife. She's a whore. Ribble person.

[Nick Jo]

I was like, I couldn't. When I was listening to this, I could not believe that I heard that because, like, I don't. Does he. Clearly he's. Is this a joke or something? Is it like, he's not being that cryptic. It was. There was like a two second pause between whore and a bow person, which, like, I was just like, what does he. You know? And then on a real. On a real.

[Mary]

On a real.

[Justin]

On a real.

[Additional Panelist]

I'm like, that part. You want that solidified?

[Mary]

I'm just like, it's giving like fourth grade. Like, you're a whore person. Like, okay, child. What? Yeah.

[Justin]

Unless you're from the. Unless you are a New Jersey housewife or a Rhode island housewife and you're from the east coast, you can't say whore.

[Mary]

Thank you anymore.

[Nick Jo]

Sorry.

[Sierra]

So he posts this whole Reel. And everyone is kind of like, oh, my God. I think honestly, he had support from Kyle Cook. He had support from Kristen Doty. He had support from a few other people. And I, I, they must have.

[Nick Jo]

Did you guys just listen the first 15 seconds or did you miss the part where he said the word whore?

[Sierra]

They must have missed it. Must have.

[Mary]

I'm gonna have to give that at that point.

[Additional Panelist]

It was a one sided story too, though. So they were just seeing like a little bit of it, not the full.

[Nick Jo]

Yeah, but here's what doesn't add up. All right, first of all, like, okay, fine, if your girlfriend cheated on you at a concert, like, again, not justifying any type of language speaking to a woman like this. But we. If you want to give this man grace and say he had like a breakdown from like just being his heart ripped out and her and for the first time seeing her as a different version than what he saw her then, then, you know, again, you're not justifying it. But maybe you could at least give him some grace. But in this video, in this reel, he's just like, talking about someone he clearly fucking hates. He's talking about how she's like a low, like, how she's superficial and she's going, well, if you thought, if this is what you think of your girlfriend.

[Sierra]

But it's also crazy because this is the video where he's like, being like, oh, my business associates saw my stories and so now this is where I'm gonna like, clear it all up.

[Additional Panelist]

And like, do you think he posted the unedited version? You know, like, he meant it to be the first part and then accidentally posted the full part of it.

[Sierra]

Well, I saw that people are like, were DMing him or posting about him calling her a horrible person. And he's like, in his DMS, they're posting screenshots. He's in his DMs being like, lies. I didn't say that. I said horrible person. I just had, like, I just had a brain fart. Or I just.

[Nick Jo]

He gave like a look to the camera, like a wink. It was like, I'm funny.

[Additional Panelist]

Like, no, you can't walk.

[Justin]

Like, no, you're not. You're a misogynist.

[Mary]

I mean, and I don't want to be judgy, but I'm just like, I guess in my. What I'm so confused about is, like, isn't his whole show, like, about, like the family and like, whatnot? Like, did you not have, like, friends or family that you could run to and talk to? About this before you took. Took it to the Internet.

[Sierra]

That's what's so crazy. And in this video, he's saying that, like, he, you know, hadn't heard from her, and he's like, I told her to call me, and she, like, hadn't called me.

[Nick Jo]

So everyone is Stagecoach. A lot of people don't have reception there. It's kind of crazy.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Wait, are you. Are you telling me that the first time that the girlfriend or the ex girlfriend has heard all of this is via this real or social media? That's so gross.

[Sierra]

So then.

[Nick Jo]

Then she.

[Sierra]

Ali, was his girlfriend. She comes out on her Instagram and posts kind of a long statement, and she's saying, like, it's very disappointing to get on social media and see that, like, he took it there before having a conversation with me. Like, we have not spoke. We did not speak. He just, like, got on his Instagram stories, got on his reel, like, made all these videos. We haven't even had a chance to, like, talk about what this video is or was. Like, he just went and did this also. I've protected him so many times in our relationship and blah, blah, blah. And she's kind of like, here is. I'm going to post the video since he didn't, and I will let all of you, like, you know, decide for yourself. For yourself. And she posts this video. And when I tell you, I was like, I must have missed something. Let me go back.

[Mary]

I'm like, did I.

[Sierra]

Did it skip or did I.

[Mary]

Did I slow it down?

[Sierra]

Did you do my phone?

[Justin]

Did you get binoculars?

[Nick Jo]

At one point, there is a guy seemingly standing in front of her. And then he turns around, and then, like, she whispers into his ear. Keep in mind they're at a concert.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick Jo]

It's loud with hundreds of thousands of people around.

[Additional Panelist]

Can we see what she's whispering? Can we get, like, a lip reader up in here?

[Sierra]

No, no, no. It's, like, from far away. And clearly this person, like, tries to move the camera when she starts to whisper, because they're like, oh, they're gonna, like, actually do something. And also in her statement, she was like, I was with, like, a group of friends of mine. He was with this group of friends. This person in question is someone I've known for, like, forever, is, like, a family friend. And then she posts, like, the screenshots of his text messages to her.

[Nick Jo]

Steven's text messages?

[Mary]

Yeah, yeah.

[Sierra]

And they are actually horrifying. So insane. Like, calling her, like, a hooker and a whore and, like, fly right here. Change Your flight. Come get your shit. You see? Stupid whore. I can't like use crazy, crazy, crazy messages. And it's just like the fact that we have just another Bravo man, like clearly being this very toxic. It's like a tale as old as time. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Additional Panelist]

He's like the main guy on McBee too.

[Justin]

Stop dating these Bravo men.

[Nick Jo]

I'm honestly shocked that we, we. That's not the discourse that's going on regarding this topic about like this guy. And we, we throw words around like emotional abuse so flippantly these days. You know, it's just like if someone yells at you, it's like, oh, they were emotionally abusive. Like, this is again, abuse is about a pattern. So I don't know, maybe this is a one off. I don't know. But the. What you saw in these videos of in him trying to be funny and is like, hey, I'm. I've calmed down now video. And then we see screenshots of him just like repeatedly rating her, berating her.

[Justin]

It seems like a pattern.

[Sierra]

Then you have his ex girlfriend come out. She posts kind of a statement saying like, guys, this, this is also what I went through. Like, this is something that he does. These are words that he uses. Like, so clearly this is a pattern. This is who he is. But it's just like, it's just. I mean, I guess I'm not. Why am I surprised that like, I

[Mary]

mean, you have to be very care, like comfortable calling women out of their name like that, as I said, to take it to the Internet in such

[Additional Panelist]

a manner so fast with no thoughts.

[Mary]

You know what I mean? And then you have an ex girlfriend. Yeah, like, do you have an ex girlfriend coming out being like, Nope, that. That's 100 checks out. Like, I'm like, this is this man's character.

[Additional Panelist]

It's authentically him, which is the sad part.

[Mary]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Justin]

That's just a pattern at that point. And that's who you are as a person. And if you can't like look at that situation and be like, hmm, this says something like really messed up about me and my psyche. And maybe I should like try to fix that.

[Nick Jo]

But though I am just surprised at the way the Internet will still like buy his explanation. And maybe it's this, the women hating women, like, misogyny.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Jo]

But it's just more like people are more focused on like, is she a party girl? Did she. You know, it's like, are you fucking kidding me?

[Mary]

Why does that.

[Nick Jo]

And again, like, if you've known who this person is. Then why is she your girlfriend? Like, you know, like, all of a sudden it's an issue.

[Justin]

You like, it sounds like you. Y' all don't like each other.

[Nick Jo]

Well, anyways, that's crazy. Coming up next, we have Sandra Vergara. Certainly if you are a Selling Sunset fan, you know who she is. She is one of the most recent cast members of Selling Sunset. She's also the sister of Sofia Vergara, one of the biggest actors out there right now. We have her on. What a fascinating person. It was so much, so much fun. She's, like, kind of getting into reality tv. Like, also she has that kind of classic Verra voice, which something about it that is just like, say more. It's so cool, right? You're just like, keep talking.

[Mary]

It, like, tickles your brain.

[Justin]

Yeah. She, like, was she. She was like making eye contact me with me while we were talking. I was like, I could listen to you speak for hours.

[Additional Panelist]

She's a genuine human, too.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Mary]

The genetics, too, are so strong.

[Sierra]

So strong.

[Nick Jo]

Anyways, she's. She is coming up next. And then obviously we're gonna get into all things Summer House. The most recent episode was jaw dropping, as they all seem to be these days. Lindsay Hubbard was on Watch what Happens live. And there's so much more even to get into and break down and discuss. And we certainly do that following Sandra. But up next, and get ready to just. Just feel good and have some fun and get some selling Sunset tea with Sandra Vergara. Also, don't forget Vile Files plus is ad free for all Vile Files episodes. So you get your reality recap deep Dives, where we dive deep into all the juicy shows that we are covering. And when we don't talk about necessarily, like getting in the weeds of the Valley or Beverly Hills on Reality Recap, that's where you can find it on Vile Files. Plus, we also have our pop extra episodes where we talk about some of your favorite pop culture topics that we don't get to on Reality Recap and your update specials. All your favorite updates from your favorite Ass Nick calls. So be sure to check it out. Also, for all you reality TV fans out there, Mark L. Wahlberg was our celebrity guest for Ask Nick this week. You know him to give some pretty great relationship advice. So if you want to hear from the man himself and maybe you might learn a thing about your relationship and yourself by listening to Mark. That is available and out now. So check it out.

[Sierra]

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[Nick Jo]

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[Nick Jo]

L. Sandra, welcome to the show. How are you?

[Sandra Vergara]

I'm great. Thanks for having me.

[Nick Jo]

Well, we're super excited to have you on. Obviously we're big reality TV fans and you are part of selling Sunset, but it's really just excited to get to know you a little bit. Obviously, like a lot of people know who your sister is and they know you through your sister, but it's exciting to get to know you a little bit better now that you have been a part of the selling Sunset cast.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yes, here I am.

[Nick Jo]

I'm curious. Like, you know, before you were on the selling Sunset cast, you've worked in entertainment, you've worked as an emu correspondent, you've done some acting as your own. I come from like the reality TV world. That was kind of my origin story. And then like a lot of people like myself who get like that opportunity. You know, I've tried acting, I've done the hosting. You know, there's a lot of reality TV stars like kind of making transition to more like, like call it traditional entertainment.

[Sandra Vergara]

Right.

[Nick Jo]

I am curious, for someone who kind of started in the more traditional space, what was the appeal to you to say yes to a reality TV show like Selling Sunset?

[Sandra Vergara]

That's a great question. So, yes, I was an entertainment journalist before a TV host, talk show host and I had done some acting but like my favorite role has always been sort of like presenting and like playing myself. It's what's for me easier, I guess. Yeah, I find myself very unfiltered and direct and so I was going through a really hard breakup in the end of 2024 and then I meant to meet with Netflix for like a general meeting to host their live events and some of their, you know, non scripted but not necessary reality shows. And the casting directors like, are you into real estate? And I'm like, no. And then I said, but my family and friends for years have been telling me I need to do real estate, that I'd be amazing at it. So. And so it's crazy that she said that, right? So she's like, okay, just please do me a favor, meet with Don. And Don, the production company for the show called Selling Sunset. I've never, I had never seen it before. I hadn't watched a reality show before this. I kid you not. I mean, I've seen glimpses of the Kardashians, but have I sat down and watch a reality TV show? Never, not really. And so I was like, okay, right? So I met with them and they're like, they loved me and they're like, would you be willing to get your license and like, you know, do this? And I'm like, fuck it, you know, it's a challenge. So I'm like, like, let's go. Because I needed that. I needed that opportunity in a sense because it was something so challenging and different for me to get out of my heartbreak. So I just saw it as like the perfect thing to get me out of my head, to get me out of the moment. And so I did it and I went for it. And you know, I go in brand new and all these established realtors, you know, brand new to the reality TV world, brand new to the, the producers, puppeteering. It was crazy.

[Sierra]

So you actually got, I mean, there is no playing around. You actually have to get your license.

[Sandra Vergara]

Hell yes. Yeah.

[Sierra]

So you, they were like, if you want to be on the show, you gotta like do some homework, you gotta study.

[Sandra Vergara]

Well, of course. And I wanted to get my license. If I do something, I go all in. I don't half ass, you know, like full ass.

[Justin]

So.

[Sandra Vergara]

So I, I'm like done. But it takes time. So like we were meant to shoot like in two weeks notice, so you're not gonna get your license immediately. So I started doing the process and I got my license maybe like two months after we wrapped. So in that in season nine, I couldn't really show property, but I could co list with my fellow agents.

[Sierra]

Gotcha.

[Sandra Vergara]

And then I got my license. So yeah, it was, it was a wonderful experience. It was a shit show, but also a great experience because, you know, it helped me.

[Nick Jo]

What was the most surprising thing for you finishing filming that your first season in Terms of, like, what your expectations were versus, like, what the reality was, filming with your cast members.

[Sandra Vergara]

So I, like, I'm like, I'm not really gonna watch the show, and I'm just gonna go in, you know, fresh. And then, like, by episode two, I'm like, oh, no, I'm watching this shit. And so I watched some of it and, like, not from the season one. I watched from, like, six to eight, which was the cast that I was with. And you know what? Everybody was really nice. And my favorite person was. Well, no, not my favorite because others are gonna be like, wait, what do you mean? But I really love Jason and I honestly thought he'd be a douche. And he is the opposite of a douche. Like, he is not douchey. He was so respectful. He was so, like, helpful and, like, offered me guidance and, like, just exactly what you need, starting a new job, right? And super respectful. Maybe I'm not his type, but he did not hit on me. And, And. And the girls were know. There were some. There were some cattiness, but, like, I just like, in every place, you know, you're the new kid in school, you're gonna get bullied somehow. But I don't. I. I made a lot of friends, honestly.

[Mary]

Can I ask you about your experience with Chrishell?

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah, my experience with her was kind of bizarre because I truly didn't really get to meet her because I. I suppose she comes in super, super guarded. And I found out later on that apparently they set her up that way as to, like, people that come in, they're sort of like, put people against her or something. And so she's already coming in pretty exposed with this, like, trusting stuff.

[Sierra]

Okay.

[Sandra Vergara]

So my experience was, like, odd. And then, you know, and then she said, I kid, somebody's gone.

[Mary]

Yeah, that

[Sandra Vergara]

was crazy because I was like. At first, I'm like, what are you talking about? And then as I'm driving home after that scene, I remember the license and I'm like, the name of the person. It was an old neighbor of mine, but my only dispute with that neighbor was the music. I play Radiohead a lot. And she would always be like, she didn't like Tom. Yeah, can you stop playing Let Down? Can you stop playing Airbag? Yeah, it's my favorite, but that was it. I didn't, like. I didn't obviously didn't do any of that. I don't know. And then Chrishell backtracked afterwards, and she's like, well, this person might have stolen from me, so I don't Believe it. But, like, yeah, why then do that

[Mary]

or bring it on camera?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

You know, I mean, why, like, why do that? I was like, that was super surprising to me because it's already a very stressful ambiance.

[Nick Jo]

Have you become a fan of reality TV now that you are on it and now that you're watching it and are there, do you think that this is kind of a gateway for you becoming a fan of some other shows that are out there?

[Sandra Vergara]

Okay, I'm gonna be fully honest. Last year, my best friend's like, please watch Love Island. Please watch Love Island. I'm not gonna watch that trash. Please watch Love Island. Fine. I watched it, and I binged that in, like, two days.

[Mary]

Welcome.

[Sandra Vergara]

And I was like, what the hell? And then I Googled, like, Love island uk. Yeah, it's the best season, so. And then I watched best season of Love island uk. And so, like, I did that, and I swear to God it's not. Cause it's. I'm here and it's you, too. My favorite reality TV show is the Age of Attraction. Hands down, that's the best show.

[Nick Jo]

Really. Thank you.

[Sandra Vergara]

Top Dog. It's so good. It's excellent, that show, like. And I loved selling the O.C. yeah, I loved it.

[Nick Jo]

Now, since you're talking about it, what did you love about our show? Why do you think it was so good?

[Sandra Vergara]

Well, I thought you two were incredible at, like, getting them to open up and talk. And I think that the whole concept is brilliant. And it hadn't been done before, at least. I mean, I'm not a reality TV junkie, but I've never seen anything like it. I've never seen, like, older women with younger men on a reality TV show. And, like. And so the concept was unique. The cast was great. The storylines were great as well. Like, I wasn't bored for a second. And honestly, you two really brought in your A game. It was really natural for you to as a couple.

[Nick Jo]

I thought my wife was a star. I thought I was totally fine.

[Sandra Vergara]

I think you both were. You both were. You could see that it was just very natural. And I love what. It looks natural. It makes me want to watch when it's, like, sort of stage and fakey. It's like, yeah, yeah, no.

[Nick Jo]

Well, thank you for saying. And we felt the same way. And it's interesting being host of the show because you assume that you're just gonna, like, love it because it's your show, but there's just no guarantee, you know, I'm sure there's a Lot of actors out there who are in a movie and then they go back and watch it and be like, what was I in? Like, what was this?

[Sierra]

Do you have any insight on, like, where Selling Sunset is? Do you know? Can you tell us what's going on?

[Sandra Vergara]

I can't really say much because I can't, you know, who it is, but I know that it's going to be spicy and surprising, and he's gonna have, like, very, like, bombshells and, like, new twists, and it's gonna be like they're bringing their A game is all I know.

[Nick Jo]

Are you familiar with the name Christine Quinn?

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah, of course.

[Nick Jo]

Okay.

[Sandra Vergara]

I think she's great.

[Nick Jo]

Okay. Would you welcome her back if they brought her back?

[Sandra Vergara]

I totally think she'd be incredible because she is good tv, Right? I mean, I haven't seen her season, but I've seen clips, and the clips are great.

[Nick Jo]

Back to Love Island. Sandra, I am curious. So you've never seen it live? Have you watched it live?

[Sandra Vergara]

Never live, though.

[Nick Jo]

That's a whole different experience because. Yes, because, like, there is something about watching these people knowing that, like, it's still being filmed. Because so many every other reality TV shows, you know, you film it, months go by, they edit it, they think, you know, and, like, you're kind of like. You find yourself, like, wondering what they're doing. You're like, you know, they're waking up right now, and, like, they're. You know, it's like this kind of weird, fascinating, like, connection you feel with the cast. It's in a bizarre, fun way. So you should tune into this season,

[Mary]

I was gonna say. And one of the best parts, too, is that it's like, it's every day. So it's like if you come home and you're like, what do I put on? You have an episode. It's just like every single day, there's a new episode, and then if you don't watch, you're like, cool. I've got five episodes to pinch.

[Sandra Vergara]

When does that. Do you guys know when does it come come out?

[Mary]

June.

[Sandra Vergara]

In June.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah. Oh, I also just watched Love Overboard. I thought that was a great show.

[Mary]

I haven't seen it yet.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah, I enjoyed it.

[Sierra]

What are some things other than reality TV shows that you are loving right now?

[Sandra Vergara]

So I'm on this. Like, mainly I paint, but I'm also a counselor, so I love helping people. I'm also in recovery, so I love, you know, helping people. I think that mainly why I entered the bigger platforms is because I want to Sort of like, make it a good thing and have a bigger, broader voice. I think that's partially when selling something came up on my lap. I'm like, great, because that'll be a platform for me to open up doors. And so, yeah, I partnered up with this skincare line called Ocier, and it is incredible. It's like a glow. It's like if you had an orgasm.

[Mary]

Love. Okay, I'll take 10.

[Sandra Vergara]

And it's. It's a. You know, it's Korean clean skincare. And it's my favorite thing is that the message it gives back to people in recovery, in drug and alcohol recovery.

[Justin]

Oh, wow.

[Sandra Vergara]

With every purchase. So I love that. And yeah, and I'm also coming up with something called the alignment blueprint, which is where I just use my. My tools to help people get aligned in life, not just in reality, but, like, in general.

[Nick Jo]

Sandra, you should come back for an Ask Nick episode and help me give relationship advice to some callers.

[Sandra Vergara]

Oh, I would love that.

[Sierra]

Yeah, you'd be good at it.

[Nick Jo]

It's fun.

[Sandra Vergara]

I love. Yeah, I totally.

[Justin]

What would be, like, your top three relationship advice? Just, like, hot takes that you would give to people in general?

[Sandra Vergara]

Don't play games.

[Sierra]

Crucial.

[Sandra Vergara]

Like, you know what I mean? Like, oh, God. If you want to text, text. But, like. But don't do it from lack. Make sure that whatever you do, you're coming from a whole place and not a place where you want to take something from one. Validation, attention. So that's one. Just whatever you get into, make sure you're a whole person. That's how I feel. And then the other is don't drink too much on the first, second date.

[Nick Jo]

Practical.

[Sandra Vergara]

Keep it to 2 max. Keep it cute, because then you're gonna be talking about, like, your grandmother's, like, past affairs with, you know, the gardener, and then you're gonna feel shame. So keep it tone down with the alcohol department. And the third one is, take your time. Don't be. Open your legs or don't be, you know, putting your V. No V's. Quick period. Because. Because it's so good when you wait a little. Like, sex. To me, it's really important, and it's better if you get to know the person a little bit. And. And then it's like. Like the reveal, rather than just, you know, opening, you know, up right away without really getting to know the person first. Call me Colombian traditional. I hope you do get a bang on the first date,

[Nick Jo]

but, yeah, that's hilarious. Sandra, this has been so much fun. I I would love. I would. I wish you were watching Summer House. I would love to get your take on the Amanda.

[Sandra Vergara]

Should I watch it? Well, I'm gonna watch it now.

[Mary]

It's messy this season.

[Nick Jo]

It's mess. You have. Have four key players right now, where you have a married couple, Kyle and Amanda, 10 years of marriage this past season. We've been watching them kind of, like, separate. There's a lot. No, not a lot of love there. Then you have Sierra and West who have been in this, like, situationship for a couple years, and then they had kind of a messy falling out. But this west guy has kind of kept her close, you know, done the whole, like, I, you know, we can be friends. I don't know if I want to be friends, but I still value. But, like, he's also kind of, like, enjoying the fact that he's, like, single, 30, famous. He's fucking around. He's having some fun. And then out of nowhere, Wes and Amanda started dating.

[Sandra Vergara]

Wow.

[Nick Jo]

And Wes and Amanda and Sierra are friends. So Sierra has been going to Amanda for, like, relationship advice. West and like, you know, like. And many people would be like, hey, maybe, sir, you need to move on. But, like, you know, Sierra's stuck. You know, like, we've all been stuck on a person that for whatever reason, we're just, like, is kind of, like, addicted to. I don't know.

[Sandra Vergara]

You just said it. It's addicting.

[Nick Jo]

And instead of being a friend, she just decided to start hooking up with them. And that's where. And that's where we're at right now.

[Mary]

Thank you.

[Sandra Vergara]

Do everyone hate her right now? Oh, my God, yes, of course.

[Nick Jo]

But. But he's getting. I. I think he's getting off too easy because he's been. I. Yeah.

[Mary]

But.

[Nick Jo]

Yes. No, she's gonna.

[Sandra Vergara]

Well, I'm gonna. Why? I'm. I'm binging this. See, that's the thing with. You know, speaking of, like, you know that. So the last winners of Love island, was it Amaya and the. Brian.

[Justin]

Brian and Amaya.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

Wasn't that.

[Mary]

Oh, 100. 100.

[Sandra Vergara]

I don't like how she represented us women.

[Sierra]

Are you.

[Mary]

Have you. They have a spin off right now called. They do beyond the villa. Yeah. And they take none of the, like, main people from this last season, but it's like the winners and then everybody else. And it's pretty. It's a pretty tough watch. I will say.

[Sandra Vergara]

I'm gonna watch.

[Nick Jo]

Yeah.

[Mary]

They get into it. I was like, Amaya is like, yeah. What did untouchable what was your take

[Justin]

on Nick and Alandria? Did you think that was like a legit thing or. No.

[Mary]

Giving PR believe in the romance.

[Sandra Vergara]

I just don't see the chemistry.

[Mary]

They're still together.

[Nick Jo]

Allegedly.

[Mary]

Allegedly.

[Sandra Vergara]

Allegedly.

[Justin]

I mean, they're still doing brand deals.

[Mary]

I don't even know if they live in the same state.

[Sandra Vergara]

Who knows? But maybe they are together. They're guys. They could be. They are together. Who knows? But. Okay, so I have homework to do. I have the. The. The summer house.

[Mary]

Summer house.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Sandra Vergara]

It's the first season though, right?

[Mary]

Oh, no, we're on season 10.

[Justin]

I started on eight.

[Nick Jo]

So you could just watch this season and follow the story and be locked in. Or you. Like, there's two different ways to consume Bravo. Like, because they do a lot of flashbacks. So like, you could start like a very Pulp Fiction and you could start watching it and then, you know, they'll bring. They'll reference things from past. A lot of times they show flashbacks. If not, you could go back and watch an old episode. It's kind of fun that way. You can almost start whenever you want. Right. And it just. You receive the story in a different way. But Sandra, this has been so much fun. Thanks for coming. Come back and do an Ask Nick with me. But especially if you start getting into some, like, reality TV and you like,

[Sandra Vergara]

I'm going to message you as soon as I'm done binging.

[Justin]

All right.

[Sandra Vergara]

And we're going to do this.

[Nick Jo]

Okay. I love it. Thanks for coming. Sandra. Where can people find you? Follow you on social, all that fun stuff.

[Sandra Vergara]

Follow me on Instagram at Sandra Vergara.

[Nick Jo]

Yeah. All right.

[Mary]

You need to do like an audiobook. And I would listen to it over and over again. Just. Just you. Hopefully an epic novel, a long one. And I just want to like chapter a day. I could listen to that voice all day long.

[Justin]

The alchemist.

[Sierra]

Do it.

[Sandra Vergara]

The alchemist.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Justin]

Thank you.

[Nick Jo]

Thanks, Andrew.

[Sandra Vergara]

Bye.

[Nick Jo]

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[Nick Jo]

love her, love her.

[Sierra]

Sorry I had to run out. River was coming to tell on my mom for yes for for selling her now. So.

[Mary]

Oh yes of course.

[Nick Jo]

But we are back and now it's time and many of you all have been waiting for let's get into Summer House. Starting with what we watched last night. These episodes keep getting more and more jaw dropping going around the room. Want to know what from last night's episode? Has it changed your opinion? What what narrative like really screams like as you watch these shows? Not necessarily change your opinion but what is your biggest takeaway from what? What the most recent episode of Summerhouse

[Mary]

Sarah go My biggest takeaway is west is full of it. The need to I feel like his interviews are for Mandy. I feel like he wants it to be like oh like I had no control. Sabrina just told me I'm going on a double date. Oh, you couldn't be busy that day. You couldn't have other plans. You couldn't decline. You just are being forced to go on this double date the day after you make up. And then it's like seeing him go into Sierra's room and Asking for like five minute long hugs and rubbing her head and being like, oh, we finally got here. And then to be so flippant in his interviews, I'm just like, no, no, you're trying to control a narrative and you don't know what's going to be used from the summer, like from that footage. But I'm like to watch him go in twice for these like long extended embraces and like not trying to declare any type of boundaries or anything. He's like, oh, it's too soon in his interview. But you agreed to go. So that's my takeaway is that like west is just kind of full of shit and he says what he wants to say to appease whatever woman he thinks is paying attention at that moment.

[Sierra]

Well, I did hear that like they were doing these confessionals around this like alleged beginning timeline that him and Amanda started things. So that makes sense that like he kind of goes into his confessionals being like, oh, I don't know what that was all about. Trying to like protect his relationship with Amanda.

[Justin]

And it does seem like there is a bit of a switch up that's happening in these confessionals. I'm curious if you guys think the same thing of he used to be earlier in the confessionals. Like, yeah, I don't know, it's Sierra. Like there's just something about Sierra. And now he's like, I don't know.

[Mary]

But also at the bar where I'm just kind of like, again he's saying, best weekend of his life, best moment. So happy to be making up a Sierra. His summer just is just getting started. He gets to this soft bar opening,

[Additional Panelist]

which by the way, was beautiful.

[Mary]

Yes, it was. Props to Carl.

[Justin]

Shout out Carl.

[Mary]

But talking to Amanda and Kyle's right next to him, right? Kyle keeps cutting him off, cutting him off. And then he's like, I just, you know, after everything that conversation was here, I just wish that Amanda would get out of the car. What a weird ass fucking thing to say. To add to that story that was so strange.

[Sierra]

I literally was like, wait, why? Why?

[Mary]

Because. Because we were. We could have like, you know, like played a trick on them or something. Huh. That doesn't even make sense. So I'm just like, even then it still feels like he's appeasing some sort of emotional affair. If not physical, but emotional catering to her feelings because heaven forbid, he said he had the best night when she wasn't there. So now he's got to make up for it. Like, no, I was wishing you were there. The whole time.

[Sierra]

It's also so funny to, like, watch chest Amanda's like, the way her face just lights up around west. Like, the laughs, the smiles. And then the second it's like one on one with Kyle, the, like, draw. The depression hits. Like, but the second that, like, she's having that conversation with west and Kyle comes up and she's like, oh, my God, just let him talk. Oh, my God.

[Mary]

And then you see fun girl. Just.

[Sierra]

It's so wild. I will say Morgan Stewart. And I think she's getting, like, a little bit of a backlash for this, but she posted like, a clip from her obviously talking about all this on her show, and she was like, kind of saying the entire Internet piling on Amanda on one person. Like, acting as if you know these people, like, is. Is wild. Like, it's just a crazy thing to do to act like you are personally victimized by what has happened.

[Nick Jo]

She's getting backlash for that.

[Sierra]

Oh, I mean, yeah. People are like, well, what do you mean? What about Sierra's feelings? Like, well, this is the wrong take. Morgan. How dare you say this? Like, definitely, for sure.

[Nick Jo]

I mean, sure.

[Sierra]

But it's. She's literally just saying, like, maybe we all shouldn't pile on one person because we don't ever know what's going on in someone's life. And you can't take back what you say. And, like, if something bad were to happen, you would feel really bad.

[Nick Jo]

And I completely. That's an amazing. Like, Stan Morgan Stewart for that take.

[Sierra]

That's what I said too. But people are. Are definitely mad at her for that.

[Nick Jo]

I agree with you, Sierra. That's one of my biggest takeaways. Is this more like the. To kind of take both of your points? It's just more. I don't know. He watched that episode and I'm just wondering why Amanda is getting what he feels like, 80% of the hate. And to me, you watch this episode and it's just like, again, I've talked about this in previous episodes. This was just a demonstration. What I kind of refer to is like the modern 2026, like, weak man. Right? Like, you know, west is in full control of these relationships, and he. He positions himself as someone who's not in control. And he sets just enough of boundaries with these women, specifically Sierra, to. To protect himself so he can always be like, well, I'm not sure. And I've told her I, you know, I'm not. I can't be in a relationship. But he gives her just enough, just enough to keep her close while also having this kind of deniability. And he kind of does, you know, the. The same thing with Amanda. And again, not to talk, not to excuse Amanda's choices, but I'm just shocked that like, there's not more people at least like, empathizing with Amanda from the point of view of like, these decisions aren't made in a vacuum and like, again, it does isn't a justification. But how can not we at least understand how maybe she got to this point? A person who has like, over the years have talked about like, her desire to like, settle down and have a family. And that clearly hasn't worked out with Kyle.

[Sierra]

I would agree with all of this. And maybe, and maybe it is hard to agree with this just because we have heard leaks from the reunion where she does not sound one bit remorseful. And I think had she gone to the reunion and been like, listen guys, this is what I'm going through. I don't know what the fuck I'm thinking in my head. I'm like, shit is crazy. I found a safe place in west. Like, this is what happened. Blah, blah. I. I just can't believe it. But she's every clip we've heard and we haven't watched the whole reunion. There is so much more to watch and maybe she'll surprise us. But like, everything we've heard is Wes being silent and her being defensive.

[Nick Jo]

And so I think she has everyone coming for her. And I just don't think. Think you're right. We're not seeing that yet. But this is like, this is not the type of clarity you when. If. If a man is making bad decisions and she is making decisions mostly based off of how she doesn't want to feel versus how she wants to feel in the sense of like, maybe she doesn't want to feel alone. Maybe she just wants to feel validated again. Like, does it. You call it pick me energy or whatever you have, but it's like, it's very relatable and very humanizing to like, have this like a longing for a feeling and you find it with someone and then you convince yourself that is as someone who's healthy for you and good for you in a way that Wes is probably not right. And I just don't think she's at that point of clarity. She is clearly doubling and tripling down. Like the fact that they are insisting that this is some sort of like, real thing between the two of them and like, that they actually might get married or whatever. Like the way we were all Kind of like, you better if I can fucking get married. And I think they're kind of playing into that. I just don't think now's a time where you're going to see that type of clarity from Amanda the same way. It's just like now there's this like, clip floating around of Sierra referring to west as her person. Like, yes, I'm assuming that in the not too distant future, Sierra's gonna look back and. And be like, that was. I can't believe I thought I said that out loud. I can't believe I felt that or feel that. Like, it's understandable how she got there. But, like, I don't think Sierra would want to think that. Like the what west brought to the table and his lack of consistency that she would want to refer to a guy like west and the way he's treated her as her person. That's how she feels in that moment. She's wrapped up into this kind of game that west has played and this kind of breadcrumbing he's done. But, like, I think she will see that clarity in the future. To be like, I can't believe I actually called that guy my person.

[Mary]

I'm going to double down and say Amanda's going to say the same thing in the next six months. I'm just like, this is who west is. West isn't a settled down person. So as like, any person that could see a guy do that to their friend and then be like, you know what, it's going to be different with me. Like, good fucking luck. But I'm just like, again, this is who, this character, who he is, the character he demonstrates. I guarantee you, while he's sitting there texting Amanda while she wasn't there that weekend, he's not telling her, hey, I'm going to go have a 5 minute long hug with Sierra. Hey, I'm going to, you know, cater to and try and spend as much time with her, sit next to her at dinner, say that my summer just got started. Like, I'm just saying that I'm like, West is a game player. West is a clout chaser. West is somebody who's only looking out for the benefit of himself. You saw it, even how he apologizes. It's about him and how he's feeling and how he doesn't want to feel this way anymore. Not that I caused you pain. Not that I'm so sorry for the decisions that I've made and how they've affected you. He does not give a. So I'M like. And even hearing at the reunion, Amanda having to stand up for herself while west is sitting here being like, yeah, I just wish more people would come for me. Like, you're not stepping in by any means. You're not like, hey, hey, she's been through enough. Let me like, what? You're not that guy. You never will be that guy. So Amanda's gonna look just as dumb in the next six months for saying the same thing that Sierra already said to her and cried to her about for the last two years.

[Justin]

And it's also. I think I would have. I think to your point, Nick, about Amanda not knowing what was going on. And obviously that's a complicated situation to be in. You never know what's going on in someone's head, blah, blah, blah. I think I would have a bit more empathy for her if one. It wasn't west and she didn't already know exact. Exactly who he was. Like, she watched like, one. That's a guy you shouldn't be around with in general. Also, you are on a TV show with him. You know how he works. Like. And also, Bravo. Men like girl Girliana don't do anything on the show. Why would you, like, get yours and get away from Kyle? But, like, you're in New York City. There's a bunch of hotties that you can go and be confused with.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I do think west is very manipulative in the sense of, like, I think she was vulnerable and she was down bad. And he clearly. We watched him create this safe space for her all summer long. He was a great friend to her. So clearly she leaned into him during this time. And, like, I do think he took advantage of that.

[Nick Jo]

The. The Reddit Bravo summer house community put together this very elaborate timeline that. That talks about Amanda post on Instagram saying, in your 30s, there's. There will be a moment where you have to choose between the life you know and the life you want. Choose the one that scares you. Like, I just think that's such a very telling message that she put out there. And I think that explains her frame of mind. Again, that doesn't justify it. But, like, she has decided that, like, she hasn't got what she wanted out of her life. She's now in her 30s and she feels a certain way about that. And, you know, scares is like giving herself permission to, like, you know, screw over a friend. And, like, she is, like, dead set on, like, I have to do this for me. And maybe. Maybe Grace, like, maybe empathy is the wrong word. I just. It I can connect the dots where, like, to the West Point. It's like, it makes for. For a person who's been married for 10 years, who's scared of entering the dating world, who's. Who's a celebrity. And that makes dating even more difficult. But then you have a guy like Wes who seems to be, like, very comfortable, like, enjoying, like, the fact that he has, like, all these options. And it's just like, what. That doesn't make, like, why. It's just like, I can understand how Amanda fell for Wes. I don't. And this is not a disrespect to Amanda. I just understood why is what's like, Wes went from, like, just kind of playing the field, being this fuckboy collecting a roster. It's like, why? To what end?

[Mary]

Still has a roster.

[Justin]

Still has a roster.

[Mary]

The most embarrassing part of that audio was her admitting to the fact that, like, we. It's complicated because we don't know what was going on. He was seeing other people. Like, girl, I would have even thrown in. We were seeing other people. Like, not see. I was just one of his girls, you know, and the whole going over, going over to his house to pregame before his date with me, and then feeling the need to go up to Mia and telling her that at Bravo Con two months later, like, it's the most, like, I'm sorry, yeah, pick me energy. It's the most, like, I had him first. I coached him for your date. Well, great. Did you talk about it after? Like, why were you there? Like, it's just.

[Justin]

I think the. With Amanda, I think where I. Where I have a hard time is just. And I get what you're saying about, like, the. The thing on our Instagram about, like, be being scared and choosing the thing that scares you. Like, I completely understand that. And I just think if she is going to do that. Part of doing the thing that scares you is saying it with your chest and being honest about what you're doing

[Mary]

and your intentions and not still coming from victim.

[Justin]

Yeah. And so if she's gonna go in there and be like, you know what? Like, west and I have built this. We have this dynamic, and we haven't really figured out what this dynamic is, then, like, go in there and say that and be like, but I knew what I was doing. She is an adult woman. Like, she's painting herself like she's this confused little baby.

[Mary]

It happened to me. I didn't have a choice.

[Justin]

West was just there, and it's like, girl, you have two feet and a Brain. And I guarantee you are smarter than West. West Wilson.

[Mary]

I know you know how to run.

[Justin]

So yeah, like, I. I also don't know how you spend so much time being disrespected by Kyle Cook that you think that west is going to be the one to save you. Like, I can't have as much empathy for her as. As like I would normally want to have for a woman in this kind of situation.

[Nick Jo]

Yeah, maybe empathy is the word. I think I just understand how she got there and I just assume right now she's not. Not being honest with herself. Like that Instagram post about. That's to me, that's her. It's like it's written as if she's speaking to her audience. But I took that as like it's her trying to convince herself of like, that she's making a smart decision when deep down she's wondering if she's not. And to your all point, like what. What never really lands and why Sierra has the right to feel how she feels or at least from like understanding it's just like, fine, if you're gonna do it it then you should sit down your friend and say, girl, I'm sorry. I didn't plan for this, but like, yeah, own it. Face the. Face the music. The fact that you lied to her, the fact that she had to find out the way that she did, the fact that you like, not only did that but like covertly tried to like pretend that there was like, that's the dirty part. That's the. The lack of you, like you don't give a fuck about Sierra, you know, and that's the part is kind of shocking. That is the part that's hard to like. It's at least own it. At least be like, babe, I. I'm, you know, I don't know.

[Mary]

But she's still I up. But like that was the thing too where it's like even Lindsay, I think was in the audio was like, you got smoked down. She's like, no, no, it's because a video was gonna come out. It's like, babe, that's exactly the definition is that it's like you did not come to see her because you were like, oh my God. God, I am just being eaten alive with guilt and like holding on to this secret is just eating me alive and I just rather be out with it. And you can hate me if you want to. I deserve that. But if not, like, I would love to be able to work through this. But like, no, you only confessed and put out that dumbass statement solely because you thought some video of you and your underwear was going to come out at West House. And that's not what. That's not what happened. And guess what? The person that had that video even said they would not send it based on revenge porn, so Sierra had to go see it herself. So I'm just like, it's the same thing with the Raquel thing. With the Raquel doing the revenge porn and being like, oh, they sent it around. They're going to send around. Nobody saw this video. It's just like, no one's going to see this video. It's not about that. But you felt that that was going to be the thing that could only force you to come out and be honest. Because how much longer would you guys have been running around like this? Were you going to go to the reunion and pretend like you guys aren't hooking up?

[Justin]

Yes.

[Nick Jo]

That would be crazy. Right?

[Justin]

That's exactly what they. That's exactly what they would have done.

[Nick Jo]

Done.

[Justin]

They would have kept this a secret until they stop either west, like, broke

[Mary]

her heart or after. After. In the City. Because I'm sure we're gonna watch the disintegration of her. Kyle's marriage.

[Additional Panelist]

A lot of people are saying that online that this ruins now watching in the City, because you're gonna watch the whole time of Kyle and Amanda together and be like, we know what the outcome of this is.

[Sandra Vergara]

Yeah.

[Mary]

We know why.

[Justin]

Yeah, I.

[Nick Jo]

That's probably. That's probably what they were probably trying to do. Hopefully hide it until, like, the next season of what show that they were gonna.

[Justin]

Yeah. Because then they get a storyline. I mean, and that's wet. Like, that is Wes Wilson to a T. Like, he is not going to care about your heart, but he is going to care about the storyline for next season.

[Mary]

I was gonna say Wes showing up even in the trailer for in the City, where he's not a main character, but he's part of Mandy's story. Hey, Mandy.

[Nick Jo]

It is fascinating to, like, again, like, if Bravo has accurately painted Amanda and Kyle, Kyle's relationship, then I think it's fair not to have that much sympathy for Kyle, given how he seemingly has treated his wife over the years and definitely gives, like, I'm the main character, and my marriage is centered around me and my dreams. But maybe that's not accurate. You know, maybe there's a world where, like, you know, Kyle has protected Amanda for years. And, you know, I don't think that everything we see on these shows is true. And I do think people lean into, like, false storylines and do better bits and scenes and like, then the question is how much you know, what parts are real versus, like, heightened. But I like that, that scene of. Of. Of Kyle talking about he never gets replies from his wife. I. I mean, you know, we talked about this on the Temptation island reunion. When it comes to men, I honestly think emotionally cheating hurts more than physical cheating.

[Mary]

Oh, 100. Yeah.

[Nick Jo]

And especially, like, it's just a. You know, there's just no respect. It's like Amanda hates his guts and makes him feel that. And then she like, replies to like, some useless text from west in the group chat while simultaneously ignoring her husband. Is like, yup. Is.

[Sandra Vergara]

Is.

[Nick Jo]

Would be incredibly hurtful.

[Mary]

Writing on the wall.

[Justin]

Writing on the wall. Also, what really gets me about it is her specific. Like, there had been other texts since she chose to hit the west text reply publicly in the group chat. Damn.

[Mary]

And then remember the caption for her snow day, their snow day that she posted when they were just friends. And it said, best day ever. Best day of my life. Captioned or quotations. West ww and it's West Wilson. So I'm like, if anything, she has been holding on to this idea that he had the best day ever with. With Sierra when she wasn't there, that she had to post about it.

[Sierra]

And that's like.

[Mary]

That's what I'm saying is what I need to see in the reunion is like them pulling out the timeline of being like this cryptic choice when she's posted about broke my wedding vows and used the song. How can we go back to being friends? Like, what do you mean? You weren't laughing in our faces and being like, nobody knows but me and was.

[Nick Jo]

Well, that's the thing. Like this, this all playing out the way it did kind of tells us that, like, all these scenes or moments of Amanda sh. Showing up as a friend to Ciara.

[Justin]

Fake as fuck.

[Nick Jo]

Was. Yeah. Fake and bullshit. And at the end of the day to say, like, best day ever. You know, like, you. You can say, oh, Sierra, you should have known better. Oh, Sierra, why you changed. You know, like, whatever you think of Sierra's like, feelings about west, the fact that is your friend felt this way about a guy and. And you. You now know that Amanda is part of this, like, justification to how she's moved. Is she like, you saw at the end of this episode where she's kind of rolling her eyes when she hears about this date. And, you know, I think a lot of fans are reading into it Be like, oh, my God. That's like. Honestly, she kind of looked like a friend who was more like, girl, okay, you got to move on from this guy. You know, we've all had friends where you're just like, you know, like, listen, like, why, why you keep giving this person a chance. But like, at best, that is not

[Sierra]

what that was giving.

[Mary]

I was gonna say. Did you see when she said, oh, I'm so happy about that, and her face dropped so fucking fast. It was like her physicality could not match what the bullshit that was coming out of her mouth. Yeah, no, that's great. Maybe.

[Nick Jo]

Well, yeah, like, obviously we have the benefit of hindsight, but I know maybe I'm the friend who like. But I have been personally invested in some of my friends relationships. They have come to me, they've asked, you know, people who are really stuck and can't move on. And if I see my friend make progress only to revert back to making bad decisions, I feel disappointed and sad to them.

[Sierra]

That's not the energy. Energy that she's brought any other time prior.

[Mary]

Because you've had her sitting down.

[Sierra]

You've had her sitting down with Mia and Sierra. Mia being like, I just think, like, you're in love with him. I think he's in love with you. I think y' all are gonna end up together. And. And Amanda doesn't say, do not go through with this again. Come on.

[Nick Jo]

Yeah, no, you're totally right. But that's my kind of point. Now we see him making these decisions, and clearly, while whatever she was saying to Sierra, in her mind, she was. Was mocking her. She was kind of thinking to herself, you dumb. You don't. You don't deserve to like this guy. He's giving you no reason. And the only way Amanda could be, like, doing what she's doing is to like. And that's for. And I hate the word pick me because, like, hey, I'm a pick me. I wanted to be picked. You know, we all like to be chosen. We all like to be chased. I. I center women in my life. I have my daughters. But I. I'm just saying. I just hate the way it's weapon.

[Mary]

What that means.

[Nick Jo]

Whatever. I just.

[Sierra]

I'm just saying that's just.

[Mary]

You better center your wife in your life.

[Nick Jo]

I'm just like, can we.

[Sierra]

Can we make.

[Justin]

That's going to be the poll quote of the episode. I center women in my life.

[Mary]

Maybe I'll pick me.

[Sierra]

I have daughters. Like, that's.

[Nick Jo]

I'm just saying, like, at some point I do think, like, and that's where, again, it makes better, like, you get to a certain point where, like, you. Your. Your. Your romantic dreams haven't come true. You know, your relationship dreams haven't happened for you, and. And you. You feel that pressure, and you start, like, start. You know, like when you're in your 20s and you meet someone and you fall off a cliff with your friends and you abandon your friends. Like, it makes a lot of sense for your friends to be like, yo, like, what the. You just. You met a person. You disappeared on us, and you like you. But, like, sometimes you get older, you realize that maybe you start have to prioritizing your romantic life over your friendships and things like that. I just feel like that's what. That's the conversation Amanda's having with herself is a way to justify her poor decisions.

[Mary]

I'm gonna tell you that. I'm like. It's just. I think also for just, like, the female point of view, which I think is just nuts, is like, there's just no world in which I want my boyfriend, fiance, husband to have been with my best friend or been with one of my close friends. Like, that's not something we should. We need to have in common. So the idea that she's sitting here in the end of this episode and going into the next episode is like, Sierra is such a special person, and west really needs to change a lot about himself. Acting as if she's, oh, so concerned. You don't get to be this person that's like, oh, I would defend her. She deserves better. West is. Isn't good enough for her, but he's good enough for me. Like, where does that switch go off where you're so hyper aware of the type of person that west is, but then sitting here acting like you're the victim because people are upset at you for doing that to your friend? I think you know what I mean?

[Nick Jo]

Like, it's desperation.

[Mary]

That's cognitive dissonance, and it's in itself, and it's just like desperation and fear.

[Justin]

But, like, two favorite things.

[Mary]

I was like, desperation for sure. But I'm just like. I think even the whole, like, oh, do things that scare you. I'm like, okay, if you're gonna be selfish and make selfish decisions, then be prepared to deal with the outcomes of those selfish decisions.

[Justin]

I think that's just the one thing.

[Nick Jo]

And what do you mean by that? Just to be clear, because, like.

[Mary]

Like, when she's saying, like, in leaked audio that, like, you can't control who you like or like it's not like, as if it's like something that happened to her, not a decision that she made. As if there wasn't a conscious thought throughout the this process of being close friends with west to developing feelings, Sierra never once crossed your mind. And if that were the case, then it would have come out so much sooner because you wouldn't feel like you had to hide anything.

[Justin]

Like you're a person. Like, you are a woman. You are a person.

[Sierra]

You had Sierra like texting you, being like, what are you doing at west house? Are y' all friend? Like you. You had her in and you still. You still chose to like, not to lie, to lie, to lie.

[Mary]

So to downright lie. And then try to act as if it's like, oh, you valued your friendship. Because if I were Sierra, I would be like, what the was real and what wasn't. Like, and especially if the rumors are true that like around super bowl and all that stuff that hurt him, Weston, Sierra had hooked up or whatever, then I'm just like, not only the crossover and I'm like, Amanda, how could you watch this episode back, hear all of this stuff and still be excusing it? Like, as if it's like. Because that just to me, I'm like, the saddest part is like your self worth must be so low to accept this type of love quote, unquote. Or this.

[Justin]

Like.

[Mary]

Or this.

[Nick Jo]

Yeah, that's the part I feel sad for Amanda because, like, it's just I, you know, I think she's a person making some really bad decisions and there's, you know, and. And maybe I'm wrong. I don't. And I've never met Amanda. Maybe she's just like a. Maybe she's a horrible person. I don't know. But I think many of us have been in these moments where like you, you. You will do the most amazing mental gymnastics to justify your choices when deep down you know they're like not the best choices for you and the people around you. And it's just like we have all been in these positions before and again, it doesn't justify it. I just like, it's more. And that's why I look at Wes where like he's just. He's got no. He just. It's just. It's so self serving and it's so weak.

[Sierra]

Like at the end of the day, West. West is his friend's wife. Like, yep. How is that? Yeah, like, how are we missing that part? I know we're all focused on like, oh, Amanda, And Sierra. But like, west and Kyle were. I don't know if they were best. I mean, they clearly weren't best friends of 10 plus years, but like, they were buddies.

[Mary]

They were just his. His buddy's wife. Right. While using his ex, whom he resents, to try to clear up his name on a public factor. So you're doing. You're juggling one of two very gross post deals. And then it's like we're sitting here and then I heard that there was a rumor that they were going to give him like a spin off of Summer House. They better fudgeing.

[Justin]

Not the Ozarks.

[Mary]

Nobody wants to watch that. So I'm sorry, but I'm just like this man, Missouri. I'm like, nobody. Nobody asked for this. I want to see people living in the Hamptons because I'm like, that's a place I want to go. I saw the Netflix series. I'm good.

[Nick Jo]

As an aside, the person who recorded this alleged video of west and Amanda is. Is this, like. Is this per. Is this an anonymous person? Do we know who this person is?

[Mary]

Anonymous.

[Additional Panelist]

I have a question for Mary. Do you still consider yourself the female Wes Wilson?

[Justin]

No, I do not. Listen, guys, the only reason I ever said that is just because he's kind of blonde and a goofy and a white guy. Like, we. He dresses like a lesbian. So I was like, all right, sure. Like, maybe this charming little goofball who can pull this beautiful woman, Sierra, like, after being stupid, I could relate to.

[Sierra]

Right.

[Justin]

Then I found out he has a machiavellian heart. And I don't. I actually have a soft heart. I just make a lot of jokes.

[Additional Panelist]

Right. So I think we need to rebrand you to the female Schwartz. There you go.

[Mary]

No, she's not that much better. Yeah, she can articulate.

[Justin]

She's like, oh, God, I can. Yeah, I can.

[Mary]

With my game.

[Justin]

I actually. It takes me a minute. I am. Am capable of having actual conversations about my feelings. And here's the kicker. I see women as people. No, no, I'm not saying he would objects. I think that's the difference between me and Wes Wilson. I see like a woman, and I see a person who, like, has a lot of complicated things going on in their life. I don't just see someone I'm trying to have sex with.

[Mary]

Dissertation.

[Nick Jo]

Well, Michelle from the Valley seems to be in a new relationship.

[Mary]

Talk about a flex.

[Sierra]

Dr. Dr. Dre.

[Nick Jo]

Dr. Dr. Dre.

[Sierra]

Talk about, like, not on my bingo card.

[Nick Jo]

Talk about a type where she was recently connected to Quentin Tarantino like, major old iconic celebrity.

[Additional Panelist]

Is she dating good for.

[Nick Jo]

Are they holding hands?

[Mary]

They're Ring around the Rosie holding hands, leaving Nobu. Talk about, like, a date night.

[Nick Jo]

Does Michelle just, like.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick Jo]

Set up shop at, like, all the, like, celebrity hangouts, like the Beverly Hills Hotel Novo. She just only hang out there and wait for these old, like, iconic 90s celebrity men to, like, roll in.

[Justin]

I respect Dre more than I respect Quentin Tarantino.

[Nick Jo]

Neither of them seem like they have a positive history trait, like, of how they treated their ex partners.

[Justin]

I was gonna say I know less about Dr. Dre than Tarantino.

[Mary]

Yeah, neither one of these. It's like, not winning.

[Justin]

I just know him as music guy.

[Sierra]

It is funny that, like, now there's the clip of Brock talking about how, like, Sheena said that her hall pass was Dr. Dream.

[Nick Jo]

Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

And then he, like, saw them at a party. He saw, like, Dr. Dre at a party, and Sheena was like, I'm gonna go talk to him. And then he realized that it was probably attainable. So he was like, I probably shouldn't have, like, given her a yes on that being her hall pass. And now Michelle's dating him and she's not on the Valley. It's like, just the most.

[Nick Jo]

Can't wait for that book.

[Mary]

Somehow. Yeah, somehow Sheena gets inserted and inserts herself.

[Additional Panelist]

Well, the people are bringing up the Valley. Last season how Jesse Lawley was like, she gets paid 1500 a night to go out with people. You know, that whole storyline.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Sandra Vergara]

You know, is it true this means.

[Additional Panelist]

Well, we don't know that it's true, but, like, I think people are just bringing it up because she's with, like, a big person.

[Mary]

Yeah, but it's like, first of all, it's just that number is insulting.

[Additional Panelist]

It's insulting.

[Sierra]

Also, I don't think if Dr. Dre paid to go on a date with Michelle, they would be, like, leaving holding hands for paparazzi to take photos of them. You would think, but we.

[Nick Jo]

What have we learned covering tv that some of these people on these shows do not make well thought out decisions.

[Sierra]

Dr. Dre, this is not. Dr. Dre is not a reality TV star.

[Justin]

But I don't know if Dr. Dre is.

[Nick Jo]

I don't. He gives a.

[Justin]

You know.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I think if he paid to go on a date with Michelle, he's not letting paparazzi take photos of them holding hands. Leaving the rat.

[Mary]

That part.

[Sierra]

That's a good point.

[Additional Panelist]

There's a parking lot, garage or something.

[Nick Jo]

You know, we haven't seen Dr. Dre in some pop shots lately. Like, maybe he's just feeling a little

[Justin]

like he's got a new album coming out. But Natalie, you make a good point there.

[Mary]

Yeah, like, but also, Michelle works in real estate, so I'm like, she probably has a round luxury.

[Nick Jo]

That was my point again, they were holding.

[Mary]

She works with. No, I'm just saying, like, how she meets these people. Like, I don't think she's, like, camping out at Chateau Marmont. I think that, like, she starts these conversations through real estate.

[Additional Panelist]

She's a good person, has.

[Mary]

I think she's got a lot of good connections.

[Nick Jo]

I did recently run into a cast, a cast member of the Valley, and it was interesting conversation because, as you guys know, listen to this show. We haven't, like, spent a ton of time covering this season yet. You know, there's a lot more to come and we will certainly talk about it. But, like, this, this. This cast member know. Knew. They're like, so you're not like, covering the Valley this season? And I was like, you know, obviously there's just a lot going on with Summer House and yada yada. They were like, yeah, no, I know. And that you could tell this person was, like, very self conscious about the attention that Summer House is getting in that drama. And it is fascinating how, like, tapped in all these people in the Bravo universe are because there is only so much, like, eyeballs to go around. And I think right now people are so locked, locked into Summer House and that drama. And like, right now the Valley is just like, you know, they're kind of, like getting their feet. They're like, they're just kind of getting their bearings with a season without Jax. And they're almost kind of creating new storylines and new relationships. And like, Jesse and Michelle, the show's biggest drama outside of Jax, you know, they're kind of getting along and they're cool, and it's just a lot of, like, you know, nice tv. But there's not a lot of, like, why am I tuning in to talk? You know, why. Why do I want to break this down? You know, there's no water cooler talk. And it is kind of fascinating that, like, the way reality TV is gone from, like, the Secret lives of Mormon wives drama, like, you know, and. And the Taylor, Frankie, Paul, and the way Jesse is moving post divorce, it's this almost like, you know, reality TV stars are realizing the only way to get attention is like, these incredibly, like, messy, messy scandals. Because the truth is, we all kind of feed into the fire you know, and the fact that this cast member was like, you could tell that they were self aware and, and realize that. And, and the question is like, do some of those people choose violence because they get afraid that they're gonna like, you know, lose their spot is fascinating.

[Mary]

Yeah. I was like, I feel like that's like JAX Taylor's entire M.O. was that like, as if, like nobody asked him to. But I'm sure he definitely. I saw a cameo that he made recently where he was talking about how what great reality TV he made makes. And I'm like, yeah, because you will make that choice where it's like, most people would be like, you know what? I'm. Stay out of this. I'm gonna stay silent. I just want to go home and mind my business. And he's like, you said this and it came from her and like, fucking go. You know, so I'm just like. But I'm like, to the whole thing where we have that, I don't know, like debate, but also conflict within ourselves where it's like, okay, do you congratulate people for poor behavior because it gives us shit to talk about and makes a season interesting versus if you take off all of those toxic people, what are you left with? A tea party? Like, you know what I mean? Like, it's just, it's, it's a, it really is a catch 22. Because if you think about it, most people go on reality TV ready to display their piss poor behavior. So I'm like, but if you take those people off or if you condemn every single person that makes a terrible decision on reality tv, what are you left with?

[Sierra]

It's true.

[Nick Jo]

Fascinating period.

[Sierra]

Sierra.

[Nick Jo]

Well, you know, again, we. More will be revealed as this scandal unfolds. It's. But that's the thing. It is, it is fun to talk about and dissect and discuss and disagree or agree. And we all see different things and

[Sierra]

it like DM and send terrible things to people.

[Nick Jo]

Yeah. I do think we again, always have to remember that when we watch these shows, we are watching it through like our lived experience. Our main character. We connect with people who remind us of ourselves. We commit. We connect with people who remind us of our exes and people who have hurt us. So just remember when, if you are activated by the story, like that's a you problem. Let's not take it out on these people we have these parasocial relationships with. And exactly. While you can, you can say to yourself, I would never be friends with someone like Amanda and I can't believe she hurt someone who, like, I really respect and admire that person being Sierra. But like, you don't have to be out there and like wish them ill or, or want to like ruin their life or, or hope that something bad happens to them. Like, you don't, you don't need to do that to be a man.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Jo]

Well, that will do it for today's show. Thank you to our guest, Sandra Vergara and all of you for listening. Do not forget to check out Valves. Plus be sure to check out the Temptation island reunion if you haven't already. Don't forget to check out the Asknik episode with Mark L. Wahlberg, our celebrity Ass Nick guest. You might get some wisdom. We will be back next week with another great lineup of guests and conversations. Until then, have a great day.

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