E1000 - Liza Treyger Returns, Emmys Glambot Recap w/ Cole Walliser, Dakota’s Bach Posts, RHOSLC, RHOC & RHOM

Summary

The Viall Files E1000 — Summary

Liza Treyger Returns, Emmys Glambot Recap w/ Cole Walliser, Dakota’s Bach Posts, RHOSLC, RHOC & RHOM

Podcast: The Viall Files
Host(s): Nick Viall, Natalie Joy, Justin, Mary
Guests: Liza Treyger, Cole Walliser
Date: September 16, 2025

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This jam-packed Reality Recap episode of The Viall Files celebrates episode 1000 by welcoming back comedian Liza Treyger and special guest Cole Walliser, the iconic “glambot guy.” Nick and the household crew break down their wild Vegas trip, preview the upcoming Love is Blind season, and deliver in-depth, hilarious recaps of the latest in Bravo, especially Real Housewives of Orange County, Miami, and Salt Lake City (RHOBH gets a few zingers too). The episode is a mix of pop culture, red carpet secrets, reality TV insight, and Liza's trademark irreverence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Vegas Fight Weekend & Celebrity Encounters (02:33 - 09:48)

• Nick & Natalie share details about their whirlwind, one-night trip to Vegas for the Canelo vs. Crawford fight, hosted by Netflix.
• Celeb sightings: Michael Irvin, Adam Brody (pitched to be on the show), Josh Duhamel (chatted about kids), James Harden, Russell Westbrook, Angel Reese.
• Vegas hot takes: Vegas is "good for one night, max" (03:04).
• Natalie’s fan energy: "If you give me someone to root for, I will be rooting." (04:10)
• Funny seat etiquette spat with a fellow fight-goer: “If you don’t want anyone standing in front of you, get front row, sir!” — Natalie (06:52)
• Gambling highs and lows: “I won 500 bucks…then I came back and lost it all." — Nick (07:46)
• Guest banter clarifies it’s "craps," not "crabs" as the casino game (08:03)

2. Sports & Reality TV Rundown (09:39 - 13:16)

• Angel Reese’s WNBA saga discussed, with context on Chicago Sky front office drama.
• Packers vs. Bears banter, classic Nick.
• Love is Blind preview: Next season in Denver, cast speculations, including a contestant who admits to eating boogers (11:39).
  • "Apparently there's a guy who admits to eating his boogers on this season." — Nick (11:39)
• Dakota (ex of new Bachelorette Taylor Frankie Paul) posts playfully about not being on the show; speculation about potential cameos and fan reactions.

3. Gendered Criticism of Reality TV Moms (16:01 - 18:44)

• Natalie criticizes the "bad mom" narrative around Bachelorette leads leaving kids for filming, stressing the double standard:
  • “If this was a man, it wouldn’t be the same conversation.” — Natalie (16:37)
• The household agrees: Taylor’s co-parenting can work around TV obligations.

4. Guest Interview: Cole Walliser—the Glambot Guy (21:39 - 35:50)

Glambot Origins and Pop Culture Impact

• Cole clarifies he didn’t invent the glambot hardware:
  • “We just took that system and adapted it to shoot talent and people on the red carpet.” — Cole (22:06)
• Started with the 2016 Emmys.
• Red carpets are work: “It’s a full send thing…these weekends are pretty exhausting for me.” — Cole (28:56)

Celebrity Stories & Technical Challenges

• Best/“worst” glambots: Generally, “subtlety works best”; sometimes celebs overthink movement (24:29).
• Bucket list: Beyonce, Leo, Bradley Cooper. Men seem less interested in red carpet glambot.
  • “For some reason, the gentlemen aren’t so into doing the cool camera thing.” — Cole (26:18)

Viral and Memorable Moments

• Taylor Swift: Has done three glambots; “We’re good old pals at this point.” — Cole (27:59)
• Would love to shoot Taylor & Travis Kelce as a couple—maybe at their wedding (28:10).

Awards Show Observations

• Favorite from the Emmys: Sydney Sweeney, described as warm and genuinely engaged (29:53).
• Tim Cook (Apple CEO) “snubbed” the glambot, but “I can live without” — Cole (34:22)
• Reflects on becoming a red carpet staple:
  • “It’s kinda crazy to realize that I’ve become sort of a staple in these things.” — Cole (34:50)
• Nick’s parting compliment:
  • “Thanks for making what is usually a trivial thing a fun experience when you’re there.” — Nick (35:23)

5. Bravo Deep Dives with Liza Treyger (40:29 - 85:25)

Liza's Recent TV Obsession

• Liza confesses a Dexter: Resurrection binge:
  • "I just can't stop thinking of anything but Dexter." (41:44)
• Nick is a longtime Dexter fan—Bond over old-school Blockbuster rentals.

Real Housewives of Salt Lake City [RHOSLC] Preview (49:00 - 57:02)

• Mary delivers a comically detailed “Slamorama” PowerPoint recap of last season—including cast rundown and fictional superlatives:
  • "Her strengths: Bathtubs, DJing, disengaging..." (Meredith Marks, 50:27)
• Season 6 preview: business issues, Greece trip, Angie's drama, rumored breakups, new cast dynamics.
• Everyone is excited for "more of these sick little games they play at dinner." — Liza (57:05)
• Commentary on cast (Lisa Barlow, Heather Gay, etc.): playful, irreverent, and deeply in the Housewives weeds.

Real Housewives of Orange County [RHOC] (61:19 - 68:24)

• Recap features: petty drama over "fatty photo," manufactured paparazzi moments, falling out grace between cast members, packing quirks (platters and blenders on trips).
• Liza on favorite moments:
  • “I just don't understand why she [Katie] has to leave forever. It's weird. Can't we have another camera on her?” (64:03)
• They debate sense of humor between OC's Heather Dubrow vs SLC's Lisa Barlow—Lisa “has no sense of humor.” (63:52)

Real Housewives of Miami [RHOM] (69:44 - 76:01)

• Recap highlights: ‘80s aerobic class, coke cowboy anecdotes, Lisa/Larsa feud over social media etiquette, new housewife drama.
• Liza’s hot take:
  • “Lisa and Larsa to me are the number one and two most vapid housewives in all franchise.” (72:55)
• Discuss the perennial Housewives topic—everyone lying about how much sex they’re having.
  • “No normal adult has sex twice a day, that's something to celebrate.” — Nick (75:30)

Housewives/Miscellaneous Banter

• Classic Housewives sex/kink talk, pop culture detours (Charlie Sheen doc, cocktail trivia), and recollections of family gatherings.
• Liza discusses SNL culture and mass exodus, calling it "psychologically torturous," but also life/career-altering, “Some people lose themselves. Some people shine.” (82:02-82:55)
• Liza heavily plugs her comic tour and Netflix special Night Owl.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you give me somebody to root for, I will be rooting.” — Natalie (04:10)
• “If you don’t want anyone standing in front of you, get front row, sir!” — Natalie (06:52)
• “Apparently there's a guy who admits to eating his boogers on this season.” — Nick (11:39)
• “If this was a man, it wouldn’t be the same conversation.” — Natalie on reality TV double standards (16:37)
• “We just took that system and adapted it to shoot talent and people on the red carpet.” — Cole Walliser (22:06)
• “It’s my first time with you.” — Cole Walliser, on keeping his energy fresh for each celebrity (32:05)
• “Lisa and Larsa to me are the number one and two most vapid housewives in all franchise.” — Liza Treyger (72:55)
• “No normal adult has sex twice a day, that's something to celebrate.” — Nick (75:30)
• “It's a messed up place and I think there's a lot of psychological torture going on [at SNL].” — Liza Treyger (82:03)
• "I'm devastated. Please come back." — Natalie, after Liza says she has to leave (83:46)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Vegas Fight/Wild Weekend: 02:33–09:48
• Love is Blind / Reality TV News: 09:39–13:16
• Taylor Frankie Paul Discussed (Bachelor/ette Discourse): 13:16–18:44
• Cole Walliser (Glambot Interview): 21:39–35:50
• Liza Treyger Introduction / Dexter Tangent: 40:29–46:52
• RHOSLC Recap & Preview: 49:00–57:02
• RHOC Rapid Recap: 61:19–68:24
• RHOM Recap: 69:44–76:01
• Liza on SNL Drama: 81:50–83:29

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Tone & Style

The conversation is lively, irreverent, and unapologetically gossipy, with sharp insight on reality TV personalities and red carpet phenomena. There’s genuine warmth and camaraderie among the hosts and guests, interspersed with witty asides and candid confessions.

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Useful for Listeners Who Missed the Episode

• Get red carpet “glambot” secrets from the top source.
• RHOSLC ready? Mary’s PowerPoint-style rundown is equivalent to Cliff Notes, with cast personalities and true drama forecast.
• RHOC and RHOM are recapped with the right amount of snark and a surprisingly deep knowledge of franchise history and tropes.
• Pop culture nuggets: from celebrity gambling horror stories to reality TV gender double standards.
• Guest highlight: Liza Treyger brings sharp humor, savage housewives takes, and insider SNL anecdotes.
• Stay tuned: Nick teases upcoming episodes, including high-profile guests.

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End-of-episode reminders:

• Liza Treyger’s comedy special "Night Owl" is out on Netflix.
• She’s touring internationally—find her (if you’re resourceful!)
• Tune in for upcoming “Going Deeper” with Jesse James Decker & Eric Decker.

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This summary covers all main topics, hits on standout quotes, delivers clear recaps and context, and maps out the progression with timestamps. Perfect for any fan who wants to stay in the loop!

Transcript

[Nick]

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[Lisa Traeger]

You'Re crazy.

[Nick]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exclamation exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. I'm your host Nick, joined by my wife Natalie. I hope you're having a great week so far, wherever you are and however you are enjoying it. We got a great episode lined up for you today. Lisa Traeger returns of the show to get into all things pop culture. Real Housewives of OC Miami, all of the above. Also joining us shortly, Cole Walliser joins the show. You know him as the glambot guy with amazing, beautiful hair. He's the one who invented the glambot machine. You've seen him on all the red carpets doing all those cool glam bot moments with all your favorite celebrities. He was once again at the Emmys. So we'll have him join us shortly to talk about his experience as the glam bot guy. I'm sure he's had a lot of interesting interactions with some a list celebrities. All of the above. He's, he's basically shot everyone who's ever been to a red carpet. So he certainly has some interesting stories. All of that this episode and more. Also this week we got Jesse James Decker and her husband Eric Decker joining us this Wednesday for a special Going Deeper episode. They're on the upcoming season of Special Forces. They joined as husband and wife. They certainly have a very fascinating, interesting dynamic and they are, we're excited to have them to learn about their relationship, how they make it work as public figures, fascinating people and we are fascinated and excited to have them. That is this Wednesday. Also Thursday, Nina Parker returns to the show. Plus many more exciting guests. All that this week.

[Natalie]

Well, that's a crazy week lined up. But we had a crazy weekend this past weekend.

[Nick]

Yeah, we went to Las Vegas just for one night because that's honestly all you really need to go to Vegas for one night, in and out. I don't. I don't know what. What psychopaths go for more than 24 hours, but you can only go for one night. We had a really good time. We. We were brought out by our friends at Netflix. They hosted us, generously hosted us as they had the. The fight of the decade, as it was named. Mellow versus Crawford, Canelo versus Crawford. We're not necessarily. I've never been to, like, a. A fight match before. As a sports fan in general, I wanted to go it of fun, a lot of cool energy. Didn't know it was Mexican Independence Day. Canelo is from Mexico, so obviously a lot of his fans were there in support of him. Very like, just electric crowd. Crawford, he won. So congratulations, Mr. Omaha, Nebraska. He. But also, like, these were two undefeated fighters. It was certainly epic. A lot of celebrities were out. We got to see some really. I got to shake the hand of Michael Irvin, which was kind of fun. Sasha Leonard, I think we noticed each other. I was gonna go say hi to her, and then I didn't.

[Natalie]

I pitched Adam Brody to come on the show.

[Nick]

Yeah, we pitched Adam Brody.

[Natalie]

Love that. I talked to Josh Duhamel for some time.

[Nick]

Talk to Josh Duhamel? Yeah. About having kids.

[Natalie]

Yep. It was honestly. And not. Listen, I have also never been to a fight before, and I've also. I feel like maybe we. We watched like, the Jake Paul, Mike Tyson one, because it's like, Mike Tyson iconic. You know, we watched it.

[Nick]

He was also there.

[Natalie]

But this was, like, really cool. And I feel like it's gonna be. Yeah. One of the fights that's talked about. You know, you hear about, like, Floyd Mayweather and, like, all of these, like, really great boxers and, like, like, you hear about these iconic fights, like, years and years, decades later. So I'm like, oh, I wonder if this will be one of those fights and we'll be able to tell River. Like, we were there. We were there, we were there. And listen, if you give me somebody to root for, I will be rooting. And I picked Crawford, and I was so into it, and I was, like, yelling at people to sit down and it was fun. I had a lot of fun.

[Justin]

I'm curious, what is, like, the setup when you go to one of these things, like, are you guys, like, in a section with Netflix? Is it like you go to a box?

[Nick]

Well, yeah, Netflix hosted it, so. And it was at the Allegiant Stadium, like the. The Las Vegas Raiders new stadium. So that was pretty cool. I'd never been inside that stadium before. Yeah, I mean, they had a section before the fight because obviously, like, for, like, a. Like, a concert. For those of you who've never been to, like, a fight, they have. You know, you go to a concert, they have, like, aspiring artists opening up for, like, the headline guests. So it's like, it's usually, like, a crowd with, like, as much smaller crowds. The fights will start hours before the main event, so to speak.

[Natalie]

So at 6. And then Canelo and Crawford didn't fight till 9.

[Nick]

So while we were there, yeah, we were in a section that was, like, hosted by Netflix. The CEO of Netflix was there. You know, a lot of our fancy people. Our friend Peter Schrager, friend of show, was there as well. Got to see him. So, yeah, we just hung out.

[Natalie]

They had caviar on chicken fingers.

[Nick]

They did. They had.

[Justin]

I was gonna ask.

[Unknown Female Guest]

I manifested that one for you.

[Justin]

I was like, is it like, the US Open? Like, are we getting boxes?

[Unknown Female Guest]

You didn't try it.

[Natalie]

I had the chicken.

[Lisa Traeger]

Natalie.

[Natalie]

I skipped over the cav.

[Mary]

Natalie.

[Unknown Female Guest]

That's when you take it for us.

[Mary]

You went straight for the chicken fingers.

[Natalie]

Although I will say I did yell at a man before. It was, like, one of the early fights, and we were like, let's just go ahead and get our seats. So we went down, and Netflix had, I guess, like, you know, like, floor seats or whatever was, I guess, necessarily like the Pit. And so, you know, front row is, like, Charlize Theron and Mike Tyson and all those. We were row nine, and, like, we were row nines. We were a couple rows back. Very good, but still really good. And then, like, four rows back from us was this man and his son. His son was, like, 25, and Nick was taking a video of something, and he was like. So Nick was, like, standing, recording. And the guy. For, like, a second, and the guy was like, hey, hey, sit down. I, I. And so I turned around, I was like, he's just video. Like, they have screens everywhere. So I was like, he's just videoing. Sit down a second. And he was like, I can't see. And I was like, look at the screen. You. Like, that's what hap. You know, when someone's standing, you can't watch right there. So you look at the screen, and then when they sit down, you look back at. You know, it's just like. And he was like, no, I like it live. And I was like, well, then get better seats. You know, like, if you don't want. Get front row, sir. If you don't want anyone standing in front of you, you can't yell at everyone.

[Nick]

It was an Irish fighter. He was rooting from. He was from Ireland, so support his boy. But then later, that fight in the main event, the people right in front of us were standing up in front of Natalie, who had to ask them to sit down. And then Natalie turned around and apologized to the man.

[Natalie]

I did.

[Nick]

That she was getting a little sassy with. So, you know, is this humans being humans, you know?

[Unknown Female Guest]

So you guys did look really hot. I was gonna comment from the Vile Files account to say mommy and daddy, but I don't know if that was appropriate.

[Nick]

You should have.

[Natalie]

Totally appropriate, for sure.

[Mary]

I think it would have been really funny.

[Natalie]

Would have loved.

[Nick]

And we gambled a little bit, Lost a thousand dollars. See, we have this rule that, you know, I'll gamble a few bucks, then if I win, Natalie gets a purse. I didn't win.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

And they kept being like, all in. All in. I'm like, whoa, let's go slow. Let's lose it all quickly.

[Justin]

He said, and I'll pick with my eyes closed.

[Nick]

I won 500 bucks, like, in the first 10 minutes, like, of gambling. And then I stopped, and then, you know, and then I came back and then lost it all.

[Justin]

What are we playing?

[Nick]

Blackjack. Yeah.

[Justin]

There's no game called crabs.

[Nick]

It's not crabs.

[Mary]

It's crabs.

[Lisa Traeger]

Craps.

[Natalie]

Craps.

[Mary]

Is it not?

[Natalie]

It's not crabs.

[Mary]

It's craps with a p. I thought people just had a lisp.

[Natalie]

No, just me. It was fun. We were playing blackjack. That was the only thing we played. Well, I didn't play. Nick played. I don't really. You know, I don't understand numbers.

[Lisa Traeger]

So you said.

[Natalie]

I just watched Stay.

[Justin]

Well, that sounds like a lot of fun.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah.

[Mary]

I've never been to Vegas.

[Nick]

Yeah. Thanks for treating us right. Netflix. You know, we appreciate the invite. Who else did we see? Did we see anyone else?

[Natalie]

We saw James Harden and Russell Westbrook.

[Nick]

We did.

[Natalie]

Oh, Angel Reese.

[Nick]

Yeah, Saw Angel Reese.

[Mary]

Oh, my God. My girl, Angel Reese.

[Nick]

She was right behind us walking out of the fight.

[Mary]

Oh, my God. You should have been like, I stand with you and not the Chicago sky organization front of house.

[Natalie]

I do feel like I am.

[Nick]

I'm not sure. I don't. I don't know.

[Natalie]

Clark and I feel like they're kind of against each other.

[Nick]

I'm team everybody. I'm team Good rival.

[Mary]

I feel like. Well, her and Caitlin Clark are Good rivals. What's happening with Angel Reese is basically like the Chicago sky front of house, like, keeps firing everybody. And everyone's like, you guys suck famously. Everyone knows that. And then Angel Reese was like, yeah. I mean, she was in an interview and they would, like, asked her about the front of house, and she was like, yeah, I mean, there's a lot.

[Nick]

Going on front of house. What do you mean? Mean? What is that?

[Mary]

Like, they're like, organization. The front office, like, whatever. The front office, whatever.

[Nick]

Gotcha.

[Mary]

And the front office. And she was kind of just like, yeah, there's a lot going on. It's like a little chaotic. I hope, like, we can figure stuff out. And then the front office was like, find her and wouldn't suspended her for a game. And everyone was like, bro. So she.

[Natalie]

She did not look down on the dump at the fight. She looked.

[Nick]

She looked fabulous.

[Natalie]

Stunning.

[Nick]

Yeah. Green Bay packers are two now. For anyone who cares, I think they're really, really good. You Chicago Bears fans. What a bummer.

[Natalie]

Do they suck?

[Nick]

Well, they're. They're famous for winning the off season and losing the regular season. They're 0 and 2. Their new coach used to be the offensive coordinator of the Detroit Lions, who the packers recently beat up on pretty bad. And then in week two, the Lions embarrassed the Chicago Bears and their new coach, formerly their offensive coordinator and their savior, Caleb Williams, kind of sucks. Anyway, very exciting for me, Packer fans. Not so exciting for the Bears fans out there, but another week of football in the books. Well, coming up, what. Releasing October 1st. Another season of Love is Blind. This time they're out of Denver. What cities have we done for Love is Blind? We had. What was the first city? Did they even do a city in the first season or was it random?

[Justin]

Atlanta was season one. Chicago, season two, Dallas, season three, Seattle, season four, Houston, season five, Charlotte, North Carolina, season six, D.C. season seven. And then Minneapolis, Minnesota was last season.

[Nick]

Okay. Minneapolis was a little Midwest.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah.

[Mary]

It was a little boring. Hopefully the people of Denver.

[Nick]

Hopefully the people of Denver. A little more toxic. Hard to go. I mean, they have a whole. They've released the whole cast as a bunch of people, half of which we'll probably never see on the show.

[Natalie]

I mean, I love when they're still in the pods and getting to know everyone and their conversations that they have. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do love that part because I like them getting to know each other and the love triangles that form. What's your favorite part? Yes, I feel like my favorite part is the. When they Go on the honeymoon. And then it's like, oh, let me see the person that I almost picked for the first time.

[Nick]

And, like, that is a fun part.

[Natalie]

Are they better looking than the person that I pick? I feel like it's always, like, a little bit that that episode is always my favorite. The one where, like, everybody comes back together. Yeah.

[Nick]

Apparently there's a guy who admits to eating his boogers on this season.

[Natalie]

So, yeah, I think. What's his name? Edmund.

[Justin]

I think Edmund.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

They released that video of them introducing themselves, and he did say that. A fun fact. Fun fact about him is that he eats his boogers.

[Justin]

A little more concerned for the women.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Why?

[Mary]

I don't use a 10, but he eats his boogers.

[Justin]

Like, these odds.

[Unknown Female Guest]

I think they all eat them. He just admitted it. It made it.

[Natalie]

Speak for yourself, please.

[Nick]

I mean, I'll pick my nose, but eating. I haven't done that since I was 6.

[Unknown Female Guest]

I feel like Natalie's told me you flick your boogers on a wall or something.

[Nick]

That's not the same as eating them.

[Mary]

It's also one thing to do it in private, but to say it like, that's just something I need to know about you.

[Natalie]

It's not one thing to do it in private.

[Nick]

It's.

[Natalie]

Both are foul.

[Mary]

Well, both are foul, but I would rather not know.

[Justin]

Like, it's not an icebreaker. You know what I mean? Like, it's not giving, like, PSA where, like, the girl's going to be like, oh, my God, you do that, too?

[Mary]

Yeah, I'm like, it's giving Fregley from D Evil Winter.

[Natalie]

Not relatable.

[Justin]

Yeah, it's just kind of gross, you know?

[Nick]

Well, he still deserves love.

[Justin]

And then we had a. We had a British man in there, right? It was Dayo, I think. British.

[Mary]

British in Denver.

[Justin]

He's going to get a lot of hits just for that accent.

[Nick]

Well, that. That season kicks off October 1st. We'll certainly be covering it and talking all about it when it kicks off. Dakota, the ex of our new Bachelorette, Taylor Frankie Paul, has spoken out and he has. Has been in our comments verifying that he has not been trying to get on the show and he will not appear on the next season of the Bachelorette, which is probably. It's probably the right thing.

[Natalie]

Definitely for the best.

[Nick]

But he also seems to be at least taking it in stride, having some fun online about his former partner now being the new lead of Bachelor Nation. So what did he. What did he write here? What was this video?

[Natalie]

Oh, he did the Same.

[Nick]

No, he did the same thing. So maybe he's gonna be the Bachelor.

[Natalie]

Good for him. Yeah, that's a good way to go about it.

[Nick]

He.

[Natalie]

He captioned that. Is this how it works to be the next Bachelor? It's a joke. Everyone relax. That being said, I am happy for Tay, and I hope she finds happiness no matter what.

[Nick]

No, that was very nice of him.

[Mary]

And his emoji use was sweet. It was the heart with little tape over it and hands.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

A healed heart.

[Mary]

A healed heart. I think it's fun. I still think he's gonna be on the season of Bachelor. You don't think so?

[Nick]

I mean, there might be, like, a cameo of some kind. I. I still doubt it, because, like, unless you are bringing them on to pursue Taylor, I think there's too much sensitivity around that relationship. If you're. You know, it's not. You're not gonna, like, bring him on as, like, to get his approval. To get his approval or his opinion. I think there are still feelings there that are very raw. And so if you're gonna. Because let's be honest, bringing him on is going to mess with Taylor's experience. And that's not to say that the producers of the show don't always mess with the lead's experience. For the sake of good tv, the juice needs to be worth the squeeze. Right. So if he's not showing up to at least pursue her or, you know, profess his love and. And. And ask for, like, another chance. Yeah. Just to come on and what, like, awkwardly, you know, bring the kids or whatever, like, that's. That's not worth making her experience less enjoyable and getting in her head and, you know, if he's not going to show up to say, I love you and how can we make this work? And, you know, if he's not willing to do that, there's no point in bringing him on.

[Unknown Female Guest]

That's a good point. Considering Jen's season. The guy that came back was a dud, Right. He was on one episode. Like, it was a cool clip, but, like, other than that, he didn't even get a rose. He was sent home. So, like, what was the point?

[Justin]

A cool teaser. More so than it was a cool clip.

[Unknown Female Guest]

That's the thing. Like, it was.

[Nick]

Yeah. And I. Again, I think if they do that, then that's just lazy producing by the Bachelors. I mean, this. Like, sometimes they're working with nothing. They don't have a lot of entertaining people. But again, if you're going to cast Taylor, Frankie, Paul, like, you Already have a head start. Make sure you cast good men that are willing to pursue Taylor. Taylor, with her dynamic personality, should help deliver plenty of drama. You're going to have be plenty of men who are going to want to pursue her, who are going to want to. Who are going to fall for her.

[Natalie]

I've also seen a lot of discourse online about, like, leaving your kids for 10 weeks to film a reality TV show is trying to shame her. And while I think the Bachelor is a lot different than Love island, just because I think Taylor will, she's able to ask for things right. Like, she's a priority. So she's able to be like, yeah, I'll do this if you hire a nanny and you bring my kids and my kids are able to be with me all the time. You know, like, she can negotiate whatever she wants with her children. And I think it's just so bizarre that, like, women are trying to come for these other women while it's like, if this was a man, like, they wouldn't be, you know, it wouldn't be the same conversation. There wouldn't be, like, maturing is realizing single dads, like, would leave their kids to go find love. It's like, that just wouldn't ever be a post. But it's like, I've seen so many women being like, taylor's a bad mom. She's leaving her kids to go find love. It's not worth it.

[Justin]

Like, yeah, she also has her phone. I'm like, I'm sure she has her family that also helps out with the kids. She's got her co parents. Like, I'm like, it's not like these kids are being left on their own for this experience.

[Unknown Female Guest]

Wait, wait, wait, wait. Revelation. Dakota's for sure in the season. He's going to be at the family, like, hometowns.

[Natalie]

No, no, they don't have daddy's exes.

[Unknown Female Guest]

Yeah, but they meet her family, don't they?

[Nick]

Yeah, he's not her family.

[Natalie]

She has a mom and a stepdad and sister.

[Unknown Female Guest]

Like, but he has to be one of them.

[Nick]

I thought he has to be one of them.

[Justin]

That's so weird.

[Natalie]

I don't think he is.

[Nick]

Like, you're not. You're not giving Taylor a fair chance at finding love. I mean, again, like, it's already. It's already an inauthentic process. Whatever you're feeling in that world, it's hard to trust those feelings because it's a manufactured environment with the stakes being raised. So you really have to give your lead a chance to, like, really discover their feelings. And if you're constantly distracted, I mean, there's. We all love drama. But again, if Dakota is not willing to say, give me another chance. I love you, whatever I have to do to, like, sit, you know, bring our family back together, if he's willing to do that and he really believes it and he stands by it, by all means, like, that's part of her story. But just to, like, bring him on, to awkwardly be there only to make Taylor feel uncomfortable in the men that she's pursuing is not it.

[Natalie]

Or it would be just like she would go back to him for, like, comfort reasons. You know, it's like if he showed up and he's the only one that she knows out of all these men, it would kind of give a little. Like, Rachel and Clayton, like, perfect match, you know, like, they're in this environment. They don't know anyone else. They have each other. They kind of like just fall into each other's lap because they're like, oh, this is what's comfortable and this is what I know best. So it's not really giving her a fair.

[Unknown Female Guest]

I agree. I agree. I was thinking more like, like, I'm a mother and I have a kid, and this is the person that I'm always going to be attached to, like, co parenting with. And it seems like Dakota's supportive. So I don't know, Maybe I'm the bad person here.

[Natalie]

No, no, no, no.

[Nick]

Listen, you know, it's no bad idea in brainstorming, Justin.

[Justin]

We're just, you know, it makes sense with, like, how you're thinking about it.

[Unknown Female Guest]

Let's just say when he ends up on the season, I'm the inside source this time. Nick did it the first time.

[Mary]

Just said allegedly. He will be there.

[Nick]

Well, up next, straight from the Emmy red carpet, Cole Walliser is with us. You know him as the glambot guy. He also has beautiful flowing hair. He was live on the red carpet. He's on every red carpet that Hollywood ever has. And he's here to share about his experiences and all the interesting interactions he's had with some of the biggest names. Hollywood. That's up next. Also this episode, Lisa Traeger returns to the Vile Files to talk about all things Bravo. We'll get into some Real Housewives of oc, Real Housewives of Miami. Talk about the upcoming season of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, which premieres tonight. I think for. For people listening on Tuesday, we'll get into the first episode. On Thursday's episode of Reality Recap all that and more this episode. That's all up next.

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[Nick]

Cole, welcome to the show.

[Cole Walliser]

What's up guys? Thanks for having me.

[Nick]

Yeah, great to be with you. Very cool moment for us. I mean you're famously known as the Glambot guy. Also I like to say the guy with just amazing Gorgeous hair.

[Cole Walliser]

I'll take either of those descriptions.

[Nick]

Before we let you go, we're definitely gonna have to know your. Your hair routine. But you are obviously known as the Glambot guy. Didn't you invented the machine yourself, Right? Like, this is your baby, your invention?

[Cole Walliser]

Uh, no. This is a common misconception. This rig is used in food commercials. So when they see a taco break in half and the camera like whips around and it's all food, porn, sexy. That's what this system is used for. We just took that system and adapted it to shoot talent and people on the red carpet. So like a new application, but not like an invention, if that makes sense.

[Nick]

Oh, okay. All right. So you basically you tweaked a current invention, but you made it for the red carpets. What was, what was the first red carpet you ever did?

[Cole Walliser]

Ooh, the 2016 Emmys. So, like next year is gonna be 10 years.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Wow. What a place to start though.

[Cole Walliser]

Yeah, yeah. Crazy.

[Nick]

And how did you, how did you get that meeting? Did you get like, did you have to like pitch somebody? Like, how did you present it to be like, hey, I think this could fit on red carpets? And cap, here's some really cool moments.

[Cole Walliser]

It was, I came, I came in just as a director, sort of after an initial test. So there was a camera. So he used to do this like 360 camera thing. It was this giant rig, sort of like a bullet time thing. And it was really cool. But you'd have to like pull talent like off of the carpet, like to another space. It was just sort of like logistically difficult. And then they were looking for like a new technology to do something cool. And this came across their plate. They did a test and then they're like, okay, well, we need a director to direct this. We want someone that has shot Beauty, right, Because it's obviously like everybody's looking gorgeous. Someone that has worked with movement. And I directed a bunch of like dance based things early in my career. And then someone that has worked with like a listers. And at that point I directed videos for like Pink and Katy Perry and Cher and stuff. So I sort of checked all these boxes as a director and they're like, okay, like, let's meet with Cole. They brought me in, we talked about it. And then since then we've sort of been like developing and having it grow to kind of be with the thing it is today.

[Nick]

That's great. You've obviously like, like you mentioned have gotten to shoot some pretty much every A list, celebrity Possible. From Taylor Swift to Brad Pitt. I mean, the list goes on and on.

[Natalie]

You shot Nick and I. Yeah, we've done one.

[Nick]

I also like, it's. I find it when I, when I, when I first, when I first got to do is at the Golden Globes a few years back and I, I felt like I bombed it. Like, I felt like I was kind of like, awkward about it. I didn't know what to do. Have you. Do you have some, like, best and worst moments from celebrities who like, just couldn't quite get it right and then others who absolutely nailed it?

[Cole Walliser]

I definitely have some bests. I won't say there's some worse, but obviously there's a variation in how good some of these things are. Yeah, it's, it's tricky. Like. Yeah, I think like, by and large though, you know, like a celebrity that's on the red carpet, it's like a. They're generally like, if we're talking like traditional celebrities, they're media trained, camera train, they're styled to perfection. Their hair makeup's done perfectly and they're there sort of like they know, they know how it goes. Right. And then for me, shooting in slow mo, like, slow mo is always really cool. So there's a lot of things in our favor that make this thing go well. And it isn't sort of always necessary to do some big crazy moves. Sometimes the subtle ones kind of work out. They have a certain kind of magic to it that's sort of a little unanticipated. Right. But that isn't to say that like, sometimes it becomes challenging. The hardest thing too is like finding the camera with your eyes. Sometimes if you're trying to do like a spin and you look the wrong way in slow motion, you look like you're just kind of crazy because it takes forever for your eyes to sort of adjust. So that will sort of like misrepresent you a little bit. But I don't know, like, why, why did you think yours didn't work so well? I can't think of it.

[Nick]

I felt like I was just trying to do too much. Like you kind of said, I feel like sometimes in these moments, less is more. And I think, you know, like, with slow motion, it, it feels like the movement takes so long, but obviously in reality it's, it's a, it's a half a second. So. Yeah, it's like you don't know if you, you know, I don't know. I mean, it turned out fine. It just felt less cool than some of the Other ones I've seen, sure, yeah.

[Cole Walliser]

But you're probably giving an unfair comparison if you're looking at Brad Pitt's and then looking at yours. And why can't I be like Brad Pitt but just more. Just more of a. Of a experience in front of the camera type thing, you know what I mean?

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah. I think again, you've shot pretty much every major celebrity. That being said, is there a celebrity that you have not been able to shoot yet that is on your bucket list?

[Cole Walliser]

But there's definitely a few that have eluded the glambot over the years. But these are like, yeah, top, top. Like Beyonce. Right? Like, I've never done a Beyonce glam bot. This would break the Internet. So waiting for that moment. Right. And definitely for some guys, like, for some reason, the gentlemen aren't so into doing the cool camera thing. So, you know, like Leonardo DiCaprio, Bradley Cooper, these types of gentlemen, like, super, super excited that we got Brad Pitt. And I've shot a couple other gentlemen over the years, but, like, some of the top guys sort of haven't stopped by yet. So those would be really good gets. Yeah, you know, there's. There's a few out there.

[Nick]

I'm kind of surprised to hear that only because I feel like most, you know, young men, especially young men who are fans of the movies, and I suspect most actors were fans growing up of movies. But, like, I feel like young men always, like, think of like those slow mo walks or like the Reservoir Dog moments where you always, like, imagine having like this slow walk moment. And I feel like you provide that for all the celebrities who are, like, dressed, dress their best. And so I'm kind of surprised that the Leos of the world aren't. Aren't taking you up on that, but maybe, maybe someday it'll happen for you.

[Cole Walliser]

Yeah, fingers crossed. I think I need to do, like, a social media marketing campaign where I cut all the cool guy content together. You know, there's always so much focus with, like, the women and, like, their outfits and their dress, but if I, like, put some content out there, that's all the guys looking sweet, doing their Reservoir dogs walking. I think we might convince some people to stop by next time.

[Nick]

Well, I mean, you also. And speaking of iconic moment, I. Was it this past year where you first was. Was that Taylor Swift's first glam bot moment or have you done her multiple times?

[Cole Walliser]

Oh, no, that was, I think, her my third time shooting her. Yeah.

[Nick]

Third time. Oh, wow.

[Cole Walliser]

So I think I shot her every year. Yeah, every year at the Grammys since. I guess it's 25, 24, 23. Might have been the first year, I think. Yeah, 20, 23. So. Yeah. So, yeah, we're. We're good old pals at this point, you know?

[Nick]

Oh, wow.

[Natalie]

Truly.

[Nick]

And have you. Have you got a chance to shoot her new fiance, Travis?

[Cole Walliser]

No, but, like, when they announced the engagement, I was like, yo, like a Travis and Taylor glambot. Because I feel like he would be fun and, like, do some cool, crazy stuff. Like, he would just, like, wild out, I think. You know what I mean? So I think that that would be super epic.

[Nick]

I think you do their wedding.

[Natalie]

I was about to say having the glambot at the wedding.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Cole Walliser]

Hey, let's. Let's put it out there. I'm there. They want me there. I'm there.

[Nick]

I know someone I'm pretty sure gonna be at the wedding. I'll. I'll mention that. That could be fun.

[Cole Walliser]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just drop a little hint in there. I'll bring you guys in as my camera assistant so we can all go.

[Natalie]

Thank you.

[Nick]

So as someone who gets to go to all these award shows, are you also. Are you sticking around and watching the award shows? Do you get to hang out and party and have some fun?

[Cole Walliser]

I. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I. I have. But typically, these weekends are pretty exhausting for me. Like, we're there Friday morning, like, loading in the camera, building the lights. Like, like, if this is still a job as a director, like, despite a lot of the content being me, sort of, like, as a host. So, yeah, so we're there all day Friday, like, building, setting up all day Saturday, testing, programming, tweaking. Even Sunday morning, we're, like, setting focus marks, doing things, and then it's like, you know, four hours of every 90 seconds, like, oh, hey, how you doing? Like, oh, hey, how you doing? Like, let's do this. Let's do this. And it's like, it's a full send thing. And so typically, at the end, I'm pretty gassed. And so, like, on occasion, I'll go in, like, a few times I have gone in and done the whole thing. But, like, I very much am prepared for those weekends. I go in knowing this. I have a whole plan to, like, make this all function. But, you know, like, last night, I was happy to. To go home, order some food, watch the rest of the Emmys on tv, and have a nice chill night, to be honest.

[Natalie]

Who did you enjoy catching up with the best last night?

[Cole Walliser]

Sydney Sweeney, actually, to be honest. So I Mean, for a variety of reasons, but one most mainly I shot her in 2021. And so sometimes, like. Like, I don't know. I don't know if, like, talent or celebrities, like, remember, right? So, like, maybe this is a thing where they, like, calm, do some camera thing, and they never think twice about it, right? Maybe this is a thing where they come to the camera thing and then they see it online and they read the comments and then they watch the clip, right? Like, I have no idea what her reception is to all of the content. You know what I mean? And so I. I didn't even know if she would remember. I was just kind of like, hey. And she was like. She kind of lit up. She's like, oh, my God, it's been so long since we saw each other. And I was like, yes, it has. You know, I mean, so that was, like, really just fun. And we kind of caught up. And I, you know, I mentioned just, like, because in 21, her career was, like, kind of starting, and it's just gone crazy. So chatted about that for a second, and we tried to come up with a fun, iconic kind of move. So it was really fun seeing her. She was super into it. She wanted to watch it, make sure it was good. So that was like, a fun moment for sure.

[Natalie]

Is that, like, do you usually let people watch it back or is that kind of like, get you held up where it's like, oh, let me redo. Oh, I can do better than that.

[Cole Walliser]

It depends. Like, redoing is. Can definitely be a thing that takes a lot of time because, you know, as of late, the content doesn't become more popular, more people sort of want to do it. It's like a thing that, like, okay, I get to go to the award shows, but. And then I get to do a glambot. You know, this is like this. This extra thing that comes with sort of attending one of these events. And so we often. In the past couple years, we've had, like, sometimes giant lines, like, 20, 30 people, 50 people in line. And so if we're doing multiples, like, this becomes challenging. But, you know, if Sydney asked to see it again and if she wanted to do another one, I would do another one. That isn't to say that I wouldn't first just sort of anybody, but, like, it just kind of depends if people really want, like, okay, like, let's just do it fast. It. We're. We're really trying to, like, crank through everybody. So even if it's like Sydney Sweeney and she's Like. Like, if she tried to do multiple, I'd be like, okay, one of these is probably good, you know, I mean, there's a limit at which we can just shoot, right?

[Nick]

But, you know, you get a little extra love when they take the time to get to know you, because I'm assuming a lot of people just kind of pass through. And I think some people you're making relationships with and other people, it's less of a personal experience. So, you know, it makes a lot of sense that, you know, Cindy took the time to say hi.

[Cole Walliser]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I always try to remember that, like, even though I'm doing it, like, 150 times a row, like, this could be this thing that someone is, like, really excited to do and, like, a special moment for them. So I always try to, like, approach. I always try to approach the interaction like, okay, yes, this might be my 50th time, but it's my first time with you. Right? So it's like. Like, let me try to bring that kind of unique energy and approach to each of those interactions to give them the best shot that they can, because I also know that, like, the pressure's on too. People are nervous about whether this can work or not work for them. So, yeah, I try to do everything in their favor to just kind of make them feel calm and relaxed and kind of get the best thing possible.

[Natalie]

Now, you're at every award show, right? Is there one that you don't do?

[Cole Walliser]

Not every, but a lot of the big ones. I think the biggest one that's missing is, like, the Met Gala, which I guess isn't really, like, an award show per se, but it's like a big red carpet, right?

[Lisa Traeger]

You would think.

[Nick]

You would think the Met gal would want you.

[Cole Walliser]

I would love to be. To be there and to be wanted by the Met Gala. The challenge is the logistics. The red carpet is essentially just a set of stairs, right? So, like, people get off on the street and then go upstairs. The problem is, like, we need a bit of. We need, like, a platform with a 2,000 pound robot, some giant light. You know what I mean? There's a lot of, like, infrastructure that is needed to make this thing happen, and the space is just super tight, so we haven't been able to kind of, like, figure out a way to get it in there. But there's no shortage of trying or desiring to do so.

[Nick]

Well, specifically to the Emmys last night, were there any snubs that you want to call out or winners that you were really excited to See Win.

[Cole Walliser]

Yeah. I mean, I was excited to see Seth Rogen win for the studio so much. You know, we. I ended up shooting a bunch of stuff for their premiere, which is really cool, but I. I didn't. I didn't even see Seth on the red carpet. The environment gets so crazy, right? So sometimes people will pass us and, like, I won't even notice, or, like, we. We won't even really be able to connect. But typically, we have a couple, like, talent wranglers that are out sort of asking everybody. But often, you know, people just try to, like, do this step and repeat and then get into the show. So. So, yeah. So no. No explicit snubs. Oh, Tim Cook. Actually, yeah. I saw Tim Cook of CEO of Apple, and I was like, yeah, I'm a big Apple fan. I was like, yo, Tim, you gotta come do it. And then they're like, so, Tim. Tim Cook snubbed us. But I can live without.

[Nick]

Come on, Timmy.

[Cole Walliser]

I know, right?

[Natalie]

He'll get him next year.

[Cole Walliser]

Maybe.

[Nick]

Maybe it's. He only. He only messes with his own tech. You know, maybe that's.

[Cole Walliser]

Yeah, maybe if we had an iPhone on there at the end. But until the iPhones can shoot at a thousand frames a second, we're sticking with our phantom camera.

[Natalie]

There you go.

[Nick]

Well, Cole, this has been a ton of fun, man. Thanks for taking the time to give us a little insight to the. The. What it's like to be on the red carpet of the Emmys and some of these other big award shows. Anything you want to leave us with or final thoughts before we send you on your way?

[Cole Walliser]

No, thanks for having me. It was super fun chatting. I still am so excited to kind of be a part of these award shows, and it's kind of crazy to realize that, like, I've become sort of a staple in these things. Like, like I said, you know, next year at the emmys will be 10 years for me. Like the host switch out, the outlet switch out. But I've sort of, like, been this kind of, like, consistent staple, which is a wild, wild thought. So I'm just, like, thankful and honored to bring cool, fun content to the red carpet. And the next time I see you guys, we gotta get a little redemption and do another one. You'll be more prepped, more prepared. So we'll do one more the next time I see you.

[Nick]

Well, as someone who's done a few red carpets and find and finds them mostly to be anxiety riddled and a little silly, you definitely bring a highlight to any red carpet. I've been a part of when I've seen you there because it's a, it's a pretty neat experience and it feels like a rite of passage if you've ever done a few red carpets. So thanks for making what is usually a trivial thing a fun experience when you're there.

[Cole Walliser]

Cool. Thank you. That is the sweetest compliment. I appreciate that.

[Lisa Traeger]

That.

[Nick]

All right, call. Well, I appreciate you. Thanks for joining.

[Cole Walliser]

Awesome. Thanks, guys. We'll talk soon.

[Nick]

All right. Up next, Lisa Trager returned to the show to talk all things bravo. And she's up next.

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[Lisa Traeger]

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[Nick]

How are you, Liza?

[Lisa Traeger]

I feel cool. I didn't know I would be able to be a Zoom guest. I love this.

[Nick]

Oh, did you. Do you like Zooming? Better than coming into the studio.

[Lisa Traeger]

Well, that I get to do it from New York. Like, I like that. Okay. I also, I'm not wearing a bra.

[Natalie]

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[Lisa Traeger]

I did an audition earlier today for Disheveled Woman, so that's why I didn't wash my hair.

[Natalie]

No, it's giving messy buns.

[Nick]

Well, you look great. If I you don't mind me saying.

[Lisa Traeger]

Thanks. I feel great. Yeah. But yeah, I have my ice cough, you know, I, I, I'm in my home. I like that.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Lisa Traeger]

And no one can see my body. Like, I don't feel as self conscious, you know?

[Natalie]

Well, you look gorge from from shoulders up.

[Lisa Traeger]

How are you guys?

[Natalie]

We're so good.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Lisa Traeger]

How's the household?

[Nick]

Household? Great.

[Mary]

Oh, my God. Well, we missed you.

[Natalie]

Yeah, thanks.

[Lisa Traeger]

I'm so happy to be here.

[Natalie]

We have so much to talk to you about.

[Nick]

Should we get into. I feel like we should get into Salt Lake City. I know it's not out yet. It premieres this week. Are you a Salt Lake City fan?

[Lisa Traeger]

I have a confession to make.

[Nick]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie]

We're ready.

[Lisa Traeger]

I have been fully out of normal world. I've been kind of out of Bravo. I watched a bunch of OC for this because Dexter Resurrection.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God.

[Lisa Traeger]

Was so good.

[Nick]

It was so good.

[Lisa Traeger]

I watched it three times and then I couldn't get Enough. So I went from season one, watched it all the way back up, and then I started making Dexter bracelets. And, like, I just can't stop thinking about anything but Dexter.

[Natalie]

Wow.

[Nick]

Now, did you. Were you an OG Dexter fan back in the day?

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah. I should grab it. I actually have a photo from 2014 because. Well, not back in the day. I binged six feet under. Bitch. Dexter in the, like, later 2010 or like, okay, 2010s. But I have a Dexter badge. And I waited for him outside of a Broadway show.

[Cole Walliser]

Did you?

[Lisa Traeger]

And he signed it.

[Nick]

Oh, my God.

[Lisa Traeger]

And I didn't even have an apartment. I had just moved to New York, and we were. We were couch surfing, but I was like, we. We're seeing Michael C. Hall.

[Nick]

I'm old enough that when I got into Dexter, I rented the first two seasons from Blockbuster.

[Lisa Traeger]

Oh, that's so nice to hear.

[Mary]

That's cool.

[Lisa Traeger]

I wonder what the menu was like. Do you remember any special features?

[Natalie]

I scratched an itch in my brain.

[Mary]

Wait, were there DVD extras? That's a really good question.

[Nick]

I don't know. It was like, what? It came out in 2006, right?

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah, like, 08, something like that. A long time ago, but. But it's like, it's kind of horny. It's scary, it's exciting. It's heartfelt.

[Nick]

No, they really. They made an incredible comeback. Right? Because, like, if you watched Dexter, the original series, like, the first four seasons are awesome. Season five, season six, it really falls off. Was it.

[Lisa Traeger]

Well, the showrunner changed, and with these new ones, the original showrunner, Clyde Phillips.

[Nick]

So that makes sense because the desert Dexter resurrection. And then what was the. What?

[Lisa Traeger]

The New Blood.

[Nick]

New blood. New Blood and Resurrection were both pretty solid. Like, we loved Resurrection, except that. Not spoiler alert. The. The ponytail killer. I really needed him to know.

[Lisa Traeger]

Season two, Baby, we're going to Wisconsin. Are you kidding?

[Nick]

Okay.

[Lisa Traeger]

He's going to be at. He's going to be after church brunch in Wisconsin with his family, and Dexter is going to walk into the diner and fucking scare the shit out of this guy. I'm, like, on edge. I can't wait to see Eric Stone's dream. I.

[Natalie]

How did you like Uma Thurman?

[Lisa Traeger]

Uma Thurman is so sexy, so cool, so good a nod. I. I felt a nod to Beatrix Kiddo when she was like, be cool.

[Natalie]

Very cool.

[Lisa Traeger]

I'm like, that's. It felt like, so for the fans and reference, heavy and like, also, again, spoiler. But when Dexter's in The car with her. Holding her back with the neck and the little tear. Oh, my God. I just thought that was so exciting.

[Nick]

No, it was very, very well done. We were very into it. I was.

[Lisa Traeger]

I'm so happ. Happy you watch it. It's actually, like. I know it's so popular, but I've had a hard time finding people to connect with.

[Nick]

We watch everything.

[Lisa Traeger]

Everything.

[Mary]

You guys, should. I watch Dexter?

[Nick]

Have you not seen it at all, Mar.

[Mary]

Well, I. I definitely like growing up as a child. I would watch the regular Dexter, but not, like, deeply enough to get into it because I was, like, 10, and I shouldn't have been watching it, so.

[Lisa Traeger]

And you know what else this season did well? The gore. It was bloody. I liked it.

[Mary]

Ooh, I love bloody.

[Lisa Traeger]

It was bloody. I love.

[Mary]

Okay, maybe I'll lock into dexterity.

[Lisa Traeger]

I love the detectives. I like that we're gonna have that. I also. This is my big. Should we not sw. I think the detective is gonna realize the blood slides are gone because the plaque is there, and I think he's not gonna get a break. Like, I think it's gonna be. I just can't wait. They did such a good job.

[Nick]

Well, they tried to kill. They've tried to kill Dexter a few times. Realize it doesn't work. So can we just. Can we try. Can we just let go of the.

[Natalie]

For anyone who hasn't watched. This isn't a spoiler. For anyone who has watched. You, like, will know exactly what I'm talking about. How much anxiety did you have when Harrison and Dexter were in that room? And he was like, oh, let me go and find. Get out. What are you doing? What. Get out of the room. Like, stand on the. Like, what are you doing? The door's gonna shut. Yeah, it didn't even.

[Lisa Traeger]

I honestly, I had to watch it a few times to get. I was just so exc. I like watching him clean more than anything. Watching Dexter clean and be thorough is, like, so nice.

[Natalie]

Do you like watching, like, are you a fan of those in general? Like, our TikTok, like, clean up my kitchen with me.

[Lisa Traeger]

Or there's one Nikki. You guys know Operation Nikki?

[Natalie]

I know.

[Lisa Traeger]

Oh, she'll. She cleans. It's really wild to watch, but it's a lot of consumer products. I don't think anyone should live fully like that. But make.

[Nick]

Is it the ASMR Of. Of cleaning that you like? What's.

[Lisa Traeger]

Maybe I don't love it. It's not my main. It's not my main.

[Nick]

I like the asmr of people chewing on tv.

[Lisa Traeger]

No.

[Nick]

Yeah, I do.

[Lisa Traeger]

Wait, I do have to say one more Dexter thing. No, I'm kidding. Okay.

[Nick]

Get it out.

[Lisa Traeger]

I actually bought a dress with blood spatter all over it. And I'm going to be Dexter's kill room for Halloween.

[Natalie]

Genius.

[Lisa Traeger]

I just go all in.

[Natalie]

Is it plastic?

[Lisa Traeger]

No, the package just came. I'm going to try it on after.

[Natalie]

Look, please send us a pack.

[Lisa Traeger]

You have to wait for Hallo.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Lisa Traeger]

Okay. Also, when he turns with in the car with Batista, like, I love seeing his, like, mask slip. I love that. Oh, this is what I was gonna say with, like, new blood to this. People that aren't fans were like, didn't he die? And I'm like, yeah, we don't care. He's back to life. What are you doing? Don't ruin our fun. He's.

[Mary]

He's called resur. It's called resurrection.

[Nick]

The doctor saved his life, you know?

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah, yeah.

[Natalie]

And it made sense. Like, he was in the culture.

[Lisa Traeger]

He was in the cult. I liked new blood, too. I don't know. It's just. It was for us, the little winks at the end. Like, I just felt like they really thought about the OG Viewers.

[Natalie]

Who would you rather have narrate your life? Dexter or Carrie Bradshaw?

[Lisa Traeger]

Who are you gonna say?

[Natalie]

No, who am I gonna say? The most famous blanking on his name.

[Mary]

Anthony Hopkins.

[Nick]

No, the guy who does the animal.

[Natalie]

No, no. He's the most famous narrator.

[Nick]

Morgan Freeman.

[Natalie]

Morgan Freeman.

[Lisa Traeger]

Okay, Okay. I was thinking Morgan Freeman or Dexter or Michael C. Hall or Dexter. I want Dexter. I want that. It seems crazy, but right now, you could obviously tell him in a answer to anything's Dexter.

[Mary]

Did you guys know that if you use Waze, Michael C. Hall can narrate? He can do your directions on Waze.

[Lisa Traeger]

I don't ever want to drive or use Waze, so. But that's cool.

[Nick]

Hey, Waze is, like, the app that will, like. It'll save you two minutes, but it'll cost you. It'll get you car sick.

[Lisa Traeger]

Get you car sick. Stressed.

[Nick]

Damn it.

[Mary]

But you can have. I used ways for, like, a week because you could have Christina Aguilera do your directions. And it was like, girl, you missed your turn. You have to do a YUI Now.

[Nick]

That would. That would. I might lose my mind. Some, like, sweet, condescending voice when I'm fucking up.

[Mary]

Yeah. No, it'd be Christina Aguilera. When you arrive at your destination being like, you did it, diva. Now let's party. And it really made me, but then the directions were bad, so I stopped using it anyway. Speaking of true crime, Salt Lake City is returning tomorrow. Tomorrow or tonight as this airs.

[Nick]

It's on on Tuesdays.

[Mary]

It's on Tuesdays.

[Justin]

I'm so excited.

[Mary]

And we're really excited.

[Lisa Traeger]

I'm pumped.

[Mary]

Do we have. I think there are some.

[Nick]

Are you able to catch us up, our audience up to speed? Mary. Of what happened last season and things we can be looking forward to?

[Mary]

Oh, am I? It's almost like I prepared an entire presentation to do so. It's almost like I wore a suit jacket. It to be able to tell people.

[Lisa Traeger]

I'm mostly looking forward to Angie's reign of terror. To grow and grow. Seeing how the center snowflake affects her psyche and her first feat, the breakup.

[Justin]

Of Angie and Mary, I'm being told here it is.

[Natalie]

Slammarama.

[Lisa Traeger]

This is like the best day of my life. Okay.

[Mary]

All right. So vile files listeners. The season six of Salt Lake City returns tonight. And to catch you guys up to speed, I have taken it upon myself to create a Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Season 5 Slamorama to catch us all up. All right, Reeling from Bermuda and the ultimate betrayal of reality. Von Teese, our heroes women continued on their journey. First, let's get into some season five key players. Next slide. All right, first up, we have the girly upon girly. She loves Wendy's and she loves to wear her hair in braids that scare me. It's Lisa Barlow, aka Baby Gorgeous. Strengths being Mormon 2.0 and fast food consumption. Weaknesses cooking fine. Coach and podcasts allies Heather Gay and Meredith Marks. Enemies, Whitney Rose, Angie Castanevas and Bronwyn Newport.

[Justin]

Literally.

[Nick]

Although we love Meredith.

[Mary]

Next up, we have the hottest woman alive and the best DJ in the world. It's Meredith Marks, aka Big Mare. Her strengths are bathtubs, DJing, disengaging, and bat mitzvah planning. Her weaknesses are rumors, nastiness and homeowning. Allies Lisa Barlow, Miriam Cosby, Heather Gay and Jen Shaw because they talk to each other in prison? Sometimes. Enemies. Whitney Rose, Angie K. And a name you're gonna hear a lot more throughout this presentation. In the enemies list, Brittany Bateman.

[Nick]

Is she enemies with Whitney because of the bath bombs?

[Mary]

Yes, and other things. Next stop. She defended her girl even when she punched her in the face. It's Heather Gay, AKA the girl Time Girl. Her strengths are writing, producing, and committing to the bit. Her weaknesses are powerful divas and finsta accounts. Allies Lisa Barlow, Meredith Marks, Maryam Cosby, Whitney Rose sometimes because they're family and they do fight, but they always come back together. Enemies, Bronwyn Newport and Britney Bateman. Now we've got the hilled girly of all girlies. It is Whitney Rose, AKA the Wild Rose. Her strengths are hilling, dancing, and appearing on podcasts. Her weaknesses are Alibaba and being a little girl. Allies, Angie K, Maryam Cosby, Monica Garcia and the blogs. Enemies, Lisa Barlow, Meredith Marks, and once again, Britney.

[Nick]

Why are Whitney and Brittany Bateman enemies?

[Mary]

Brittany Bateman is enemies with everyone.

[Justin]

Anyone who's against Lisa.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Anyway, next up, we have our mother in Christ, Mary M. Cosby, AKA Mother Mary. Her strengths are her sense of smell, good humor, and the fact that she is a woman of God. Her weaknesses, Hospitals, group trips, locating entrances, and bread in the purse. Her allies, NGK, Meredith Marks, Robert Jr. And God himself. Enemies, Trixie Motel and Britney Bateman. And rounding out our main cast from season five, we have the center, Snowflake. The icon. The looks like a mother. High body count, hair diva. The Greek mafia mama. Her strength is that she's Greek. She looks like a mother. She's a sniper with her words. She throws glasses and she says.

[Lisa Traeger]

Her.

[Mary]

Weaknesses are champagne, high body count, hair, and talking about her husband. Do never, never, ever talk about Sean. That man's a bald saint. Allies, Miriam Cosby, Whitney Rose and Kara Stoss. Thermatique. Enemies. Lisa Barlow, Meredith Marks, and slutty Britney. Who is Brittany Bacon, by the way? If we didn't catch that, Our new friends we made this season were Bronwyn Newport, AKA the Mormon, Andy Warhol. Strengths, costume and interior design. Whoville. Weaknesses, dog poop, jewelers and Starbucks mugs. Allies, Rihanna. To be determined. Enemies, Lisa Barlow, Heather Gay. Banana peels and Brittany Bateman. All right, and finally, the girl we've talked about so much. It's Brittany Bateman, AKA the peeping Tom. Her strengths are making announcements, video recording and vocal tenacity. Her weaknesses, Jared Osmond.

[Natalie]

Pitch.

[Lisa Traeger]

Allies.

[Mary]

Sweet boy, Justin.

[Nick]

Can you put me down for ally? I want to be an ally.

[Natalie]

Edit.

[Mary]

And Nick Viall and Natalie Doyle are allies as well. And enemies are literally everybody else. All right, so where do we leave off last season? Well, we left off in Mexico. Heather, alongside other producers, created a saw trap for the women and had them read the meanest text they've ever sent about one another. Angie said Bronwyn had weird ears and that her husband has one foot in the grave and another on a banana peel. Whitney said she heard a rumor Lisa has threesomes with John Barlo and other women. Lisa then fired back with a stray at Angie, saying she heard Shonda's circle jerks. Therefore, Angie threw a glass and Meredith reacted. There's nothing okay. About any of this. Later, at the reunion, Lisa lied about talking to a jeweler because Bronwyn lied about owning a necklace. And. Okay, next slide. Because these women gave us so much in season five that we wanted to give them some high school style superlatives. All right, so first up, with best hair, we have Angie Katsanevas. With best dressed, we have Bronwyn Newport.

[Nick]

How do you think Mary would feel about best dressed? I don't know.

[Mary]

Okay, well, I made these awards.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Mary]

Class clown, Lisa Barlow. Most Musical, Meredith Mar Marks, dj.

[Nick]

Are we laughing at Lisa or. Or with Lisa?

[Mary]

Depends on who you're asking.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Mary]

Future president Heather Gay. Best sportsmanship. Britney Bateman. Life of the party. Whitney Wild Rose. And with our premiere award, most likely to be on SNL until she gets fired after three weeks, it is Maryam Cosby. Yay. Congratulations to all the women. All right, what's coming next? This season we have Lisa, John Barlow, and business issues between the two of them. Maybe even marital Castric to Greece. Inevitable Below deck Down under crossover George Washington wigs, Lisa, Mystery men, Mary and Angie break up and Bronwyn's mom enters. Who knows what any of these things mean?

[Nick]

Are these verified storylines?

[Mary]

These are verified storylines that Justin and I sourced from the trailer to not verify it.

[Nick]

So we're guessing potential storylines that we.

[Mary]

All right, okay.

[Nick]

Theories, theories. I don't think Lisa and her husband are really going to have any serious marital problems.

[Natalie]

I think business problems, probably business for sure.

[Lisa Traeger]

No, he's obsessed with her. He can't believe he got a girl that hot. Like, he is living his fantasy. He does not care about one flaw of that woman.

[Natalie]

And honestly, like, he's too busy staring at her. He's forgetting to pay taxes or pay anyone.

[Nick]

He's trying to figure out how to parallel park still.

[Natalie]

He's still trying to figure out a parallel park.

[Justin]

Legend says he's still there trying to park.

[Lisa Traeger]

Salt Lake gives us that. Like, it's just so much goodness. That was an amazing PowerPoint. And thank you so much. If there was a PowerPoint award, you would win for sure.

[Mary]

Oh, my God. Thank you so much.

[Justin]

Best PowerPoint goes to you guys.

[Nick]

What are you looking most forward to, Liza?

[Lisa Traeger]

Honestly, More of these sick little games they play at dinner.

[Natalie]

Love it.

[Lisa Traeger]

And I just like Meredith flipping out. And maybe we'll see her. Dj, I'M excited for. Yeah, I think those would be my top excitements.

[Mary]

What would be your dream, like, DJ opener?

[Lisa Traeger]

I don't really know the DJ game. I'll say Trixie Mattel. She's like.

[Mary]

Like, yeah.

[Lisa Traeger]

But she would headline. I don't know. I don't know. Who would open for Meredith Marks.

[Mary]

She would headline. Open by Meredith Marks.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah.

[Mary]

What do you think the f. What would be your ideal song to look up and see Meredith Marks up at the booth with?

[Lisa Traeger]

Well, I heard the mixes incorporate her famous quotes, so I just wanna. I'm gonna go and get ticket. Like, I have. I wanna see what's happening.

[Natalie]

I need a you can leave mix.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah, I wanna dance to that.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, you can leave.

[Lisa Traeger]

Also, Bronwyn having to be like, she sucked that old dick to the top. Like, to live that down and come back for another season. Like, geez, you're not buying the jewelry. What's going on? He's not hot at all. Like, not charming. I just. Oh, it's devastating.

[Natalie]

Yeah. I feel like we're gonna get more into that relationship. I feel like if she comes. Because in the clip it showed in the trailer, it showed Bronwyn coming. Coming for Lisa's, like, business problems or whatever. And I feel like Lisa will play damn dirty. Oh, yeah? Yeah.

[Lisa Traeger]

When you even asked if Lisa's in on the joke or not, Like, I don't think Lisa has a sense of humor about anything.

[Natalie]

God, no. No, I don't think she laughs.

[Mary]

She's gonna hate my PowerPoint again.

[Justin]

The stray that Shawn caught based off of Angie throwing something out there, like, it was just like, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Mary]

Angie didn't even say anything.

[Natalie]

It was Whitney.

[Justin]

Whitney threw something and then she was.

[Lisa Traeger]

Like, what about your husband?

[Mary]

I'm Sean. Well, it's like, what about Sean?

[Lisa Traeger]

Who cares if he's circle jerks? They're so homophobic. It's so annoying.

[Mary]

Let that man be balding gay.

[Lisa Traeger]

I don't know. I love their hot, young photos. The thing is, I was. I was a longtime salon receptionist in my life, and I will say, a constant with every salon I worked at is there is at least one very hot, sexual straight guy that does great hair and he's booked all day and night with women who want, you know, know to get touched by them, but they. They are with women. Like, it is a. An archetype of the salon world.

[Nick]

Is that, like, is it mandatory when you start a salon that you need at least one straight male?

[Lisa Traeger]

It just happens. You usually get hot girls. You get Gay guys. And then you get one sexy straight guy that's just like, oozes charm.

[Nick]

And does he do cut and color?

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah. I've never worked at Deep. I hate this saying this word. I never pronounce it right, but I don't like departmentalized salons. I like stylists and hairdressers who do both from top to bottom, like, the whole story.

[Natalie]

And do you think that's Sean? Is he the sexual sexy that wants all the women?

[Lisa Traeger]

I think so, but he's respectful because he's an owner, and I don't think he, like, harasses his employees. But, yeah, I think women go to him for his, like, it's why young women like boy bands. It's like, they're nice. They make you feel good. It's complimentary. It's like this fantasy of a man that you would like.

[Natalie]

Is Shawn part of Angie' glam team?

[Lisa Traeger]

She might be blow drying her own hair.

[Natalie]

I don't know if she's blow drying her. If I'm married to a hair stylist and he's not doing my hair every single morning that I wake up. Divorce.

[Lisa Traeger]

But isn't she also a hairstylist?

[Nick]

Yeah, Angie's also a hairstylist.

[Natalie]

Did you work at this line?

[Mary]

Yeah, that's their business.

[Lisa Traeger]

I didn't realize she was just like, back of house. I thought she did hair too.

[Unknown Female Guest]

She also helped Mary do her hair in one episode.

[Natalie]

Oh, right, right, right.

[Lisa Traeger]

That friendship is beautiful.

[Natalie]

Yeah, well, apparently they break up.

[Unknown Female Guest]

I know you said go get yourself another sister.

[Mary]

Also, they have a great name for their salon, which is lunatic fringe.

[Cole Walliser]

No.

[Mary]

Yeah, Lunatic fringe.

[Lisa Traeger]

Honestly, I hope to get married one day so I could do a bachelorette party at Salt Lake City and go to Beauty Brow. What is it? Laser beauty. Laser beauty la. Get a private jet. Go to OC Go to the quiet woman. Like, I just want to have a Housewives party coast to coast.

[Natalie]

Well, speaking of O.C. we had a new episode, and if you missed last week's episode of the Real Housewives Orange county, here's your rapid recap. Jen and Ryan have a cyber truck, because of course they do. Shannon doesn't know if she doesn't want to go with Tamara to Temecula. Heather Dubrow reminds the world that she is an ally to the trans community and also a podcaster. Emily and Jen clean up dog and cat poop. Gretchen and Emily take fireball shots. Shannon has deep thoughts. Jack Handy was left shaking in his boots. She also brought an immersion blender and an Egg bite blender on a girls trip. Diva. A random woman on the street appeared just to Heather. She has proof she didn't call the paps at Disneyland. Shannon learns what hawk to a spit on that thing is, but she revealed she swallows drinks. Heather is taking improv and was just cast on snl. Congrats, Heather. Wait. Actually, she just announced via Instagram story that she's leaving snl, but she made sure to thank Lauren in the post for posterity sake. Anyway, back to the episode. Jen is still mad about the fatty photo. Tamara backtracks on it. Basically says Ryan likes her more now that she's skinny. Jyn says that's not actually an apology. Tamara is gobsmacked by this and says, what do you want? Blood. Blood. And that's the episode. Would you rather go to Temecula with Tamra or meet a stage woman on the streets of Beverly Hills with Heather and have to pretend it's normal?

[Lisa Traeger]

I'm not going to Temecula. I don't care.

[Justin]

I said I'm staying at Heather's.

[Lisa Traeger]

Honestly, I liked that paparazzi person. Like, I, I would actually.

[Nick]

That was such a setup.

[Lisa Traeger]

It was a setup, but she was, she seemed.

[Nick]

Hey, by the way. Yeah. You didn't call the pop.

[Natalie]

Like, this paparazzi is like watching every episode and keeping up with the drama of. I feel like they're too busy scouting restaurants. Restaurants and celebrities.

[Nick]

It's kind of a bad look when the person that you're getting to dispel the rumors about you calling a pop. It looks like you also called them to dispel the same rumors about you calling the pop.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah, I don't, I don't know what she's thinking. Like, I don't know.

[Justin]

Well, remember she just got found out due to this lie detector test that she was lying about calling the paparazzi.

[Nick]

Yeah, but we now know that was a fake lie detector test, so.

[Justin]

Exactly. But not to her. To her it was real. So she was like, I need to be validated.

[Nick]

Yet again, say paparazzi do hang out in Beverly Hills on the streets, because it is, it is a sceny place. So it's. If Heather really didn't call the paparazzi, she is really going about it in the wrong way to prove her innocence.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah. Yeah. But I like what Jen said where it's like, if I did call the paparazzi, I would tell people. She's like, no one would know. No one would care if I called them. You know, Like, I wish she just kind of Got over it and admitted it and was like, yeah, I want to be in magazines.

[Nick]

Who has less of a sense of humor? Heather, Deborah Rowe or Lisa Barlow?

[Lisa Traeger]

Lisa Barlow.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah, Yeah. I think Heather gets drunk. I think her and Terry, they'd have fun. They have fun.

[Natalie]

Yeah. You can't be married to Terry and not have a sense of humor.

[Nick]

Did you miss Katie this episode? Because I did.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yes, very much so. I did. Yeah, me too. I just. I think they're all like, do such horrible things. I just don't understand why she has to leave forever. It's weird. I don't get it. I don't get it. Can't we have another camera on her? Not into macula.

[Natalie]

Like, geez, yeah, like, show her at her house, like, with her kids and her husband.

[Nick]

I want to see her hang out with bloggers while.

[Lisa Traeger]

She'S a liar. But Gretchen's a liar. They're all liars. And Tamara, truly, like a spawn of Satan who I enjoy on my screen. But, like, she's vile the way she treated Shannon last season. And then now being like, I already said sorry. Get over it. I guess she's holding a grudge. And it's like, yeah, people need to. You were psychotic last season.

[Natalie]

I just also her trying to say that she didn't call that photo a fatty photo. Photo. I'm like, you were screaming at the rooftops that that was a fatty photo.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah. It's like, yeah, prey upon this woman who is insecure now. She lost weight, feels good getting by this guy who's, you know, probably doing a good job. Let her live. You're mad she's wearing a bikini.

[Unknown Female Guest]

Tamara also never said fatty photos. So that's the thing that people are forgetting that Gene is the one that said that word.

[Mary]

But then it's also, at the same time, Tamara's apology for sharing that photo was basically like, well, it's okay because your husband likes you just because you're skinny now.

[Unknown Female Guest]

Exactly.

[Mary]

And that was crazy.

[Lisa Traeger]

She didn't say fatty photo. And I get that, but what was her intention?

[Natalie]

She definitely alluded to her being, quote, unquote, bigger. Like, I that did not like, she was. She kept like.

[Lisa Traeger]

But again, it's like, you've get face. Everyone's getting facelifts and lasering and botoxing. You're all 60 and wanting to look young and you all do it. So why are we bullying this woman for doing it? I don't get it.

[Justin]

Well, and then I'm also, if I was calling somebody a stalker, saying that they were trying to be me. Like, the last thing I want to do is make up and hang out.

[Natalie]

You know what I mean?

[Justin]

Like, if you genuinely believed that, you.

[Lisa Traeger]

Should be thanking her for being a part of your gym. Who else went there? Who else had a membership? She's like, mad. She's taking classes.

[Nick]

It's like, yeah, instead of posting a quote unquote fatty photo, you should just be happy that, like, you think she's really improved herself since going to your.

[Lisa Traeger]

Gym and you were the inspo.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

And, like, I would love to be called tits on a stick compliment.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yes. Tits on a stick.

[Natalie]

Yeah, Tits on a stick. Like, okay.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah. It's just weird when it's not okay to talk bad about someone. And when it is and, like, what's going on?

[Natalie]

I mean, they're all just so hypocritical.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Constantly I feel like Gretchen and Emily were talking shit about Heather right before they go and sit at her house and drink her champagne.

[Natalie]

Wait, I loved when they're sitting at Crustacean. Heather, Emily and Gretchen. And here comes Emily trying to, like, talk some shit about Jen. And she's like, oh, Jen said that she thinks that you are scared of Tamara and that you do this and this with Tamara and Heather so calmly continues eating and goes, well, what was your response? Yeah, yeah, round of applause. I'm sorry, it's my first question. If anyone comes to me saying, like, oh, my God, this person was talking shit about you, what was your response? Response?

[Justin]

And the flashback being Emily being the one that said everything that she's now saying that Jen said. Like, that's not even how she asked the question.

[Natalie]

And she goes, I don't remember. I think I might have said, like, I thought maybe you did.

[Nick]

If you don't remember, then you definitely.

[Justin]

Talked some shit 100%.

[Nick]

Or like, you, like, just softly agreed with them, you know, Like, I would have been panicking.

[Natalie]

Would you have spent the night at Heather's house in that little canopy bed?

[Lisa Traeger]

I don't even remember the bed.

[Natalie]

She had three beds in a room.

[Lisa Traeger]

I'd be a part of Heather's life at any moment. I'd open the fridge. I don't care.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Justin]

You're like, Roberto Cavalli designed Penthouse. Yes, I will stay there for the night. And it's closer so I could go home if I get scared and need my bed. You know, I'm like, Temecula. I'm stuck with Tamara and Shannon. No, thank you.

[Unknown Female Guest]

With a primary bedroom.

[Lisa Traeger]

And then her being like, I don't need the primary. I don't need the primary. It's like, if you did not get the primary, what we would be hearing.

[Natalie]

About, like, I'm so uncomfortable with the primary. It's like, why? Your bathroom's right there. But then Heather opening up packages and packages from Fendi.

[Justin]

I loved it. She's like, he's not supposed to be home when I open packages. The rest of us are like, Amazon. She's like, $10,000 here.

[Natalie]

Nuts.

[Nick]

I do, like, every third episode. Heather. Heather clearly has a. An understanding with the producers to, like, emphasize just how rich she.

[Natalie]

I love it. I need it in every episode. Yeah.

[Justin]

The joys of being married to a plastic surgeon.

[Lisa Traeger]

There must be other sources of income, like our plastic surgeons.

[Natalie]

Well, he has the show too. He's botched.

[Lisa Traeger]

They had a $50 million 80. Like, how much do they sell that house for?

[Justin]

They did, like, huge real estate deals, remember? Like, the house that they built from the ground up. I think they sold for, like, two times as many millions as they made it for. It's like their. Their. Their house. Home sales are ridiculous.

[Nick]

They have diversified revenues, and I'm sure he invests.

[Lisa Traeger]

I'm sure she does another unpacking. I'd like to mention Shannon's suitcase was my favorite. I mean, to pack a platter. To pack a platter.

[Natalie]

She said, I'm making breakfast.

[Lisa Traeger]

It's crazy.

[Justin]

But she's also not wrong. Like, how many times do you want to cook dinner at an Airbnb? And you're like, wait, we don't have a spatula.

[Unknown Female Guest]

It's the hair dryer. The hair dryer. They might have one, they might not have one.

[Mary]

Really?

[Justin]

She said, I'm not going to be caught with my pants down here as an emulsion blender. And I'm ready to make dinner.

[Mary]

I was like, do you want to go meal?

[Lisa Traeger]

I just don't believe that she's a good cook. Like, I don't think anyone wants her multiplying anything.

[Justin]

The truth is we're having bisque or some sort of soup if we're bringing an emulsion blender.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Well, we also had the Real Housewives of Miami. And if you missed the episode of the Real Housewives of Miami, here's your rapid recap. The Girls do an 80s aerobics class, and Alexia revealed she dated a Cocaine Cowboy in 80s Miami. Iconic beat behavior. The girls tell Larsa and Lisa they just need to get over their and move on because it's getting annoying. Lisa detoxes with wine and green juice and it works because she stays calm talking to Larsa. They agree to move on. Lisa even re follows Larsa. Pieces in the air America take notes. The girls order a drink called Harvey Wall Bangers. And we're not gonna deconstruct that and move on. Stephanie and Alexia try to stuff it out. It's revealed that Marisol is actually the one that hates Stephanie, not Alexia. They both open up about sister trauma and bond over it. Things are looking good for them. Lisa continues on her early streak. She's learning, growing and changing. Gertie served Eyes Wide Shut realness at the function. Apparently Alexia had sex with Todd two days ago. Adrina hates her birthday cake but loves her birthday male strippers. Gertie starts going to therapy and opened up about her past. Marisol is certainly not ready to double date with Alexia and Todd. Stephanie, Sojay and Adriana are becoming besties because they both hate Marisol. And Stephanie wants Adriana to perform at her party. And that's the episode question. Is Gertie the best dressed housewife in his history? Let's discuss I don't think so history.

[Justin]

I don't think so. I love her.

[Mary]

She pulls some crazy fit.

[Unknown Female Guest]

I love Gertie. But those ears. The bunny ears. She's going to a different dinner.

[Mary]

Are you kidding me?

[Nick]

I just. And I'm probably the only one who knows this, but the Harvey Wall Bangers reference is a Reference from the 1982 Milwaukee brewers baseball team.

[Lisa Traeger]

And then you. Do you just know all baseball players of all decades.

[Nick]

Why do you die from 82? Milwaukee brewers are my team team. Shout out to the team with the best record in baseball currently. But you can fact check me. Sierra or Harvey Wall Bangers. But Harvey was the manager who replaced. Someone else was fired in the middle of the season and he took over and they. They went to the World Series and lost the St. Louis Cardinals in seven games.

[Natalie]

Do you know what's in the drink?

[Nick]

I. I don't. I didn't know after a drink. But the Harvey Wallbringers was like the. The name of the team team. Like that was their nickname for the team.

[Natalie]

Wait, where were they when they ordered this?

[Mary]

Am I right on the Virgin Airline guys boat.

[Justin]

Richard Branson.

[Nick]

Richard Branson.

[Mary]

Yeah. That guy.

[Justin]

Virgin.

[Nick]

Did they go to any islands?

[Mary]

We just saw him on the boat.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Just some free press for the cruise.

[Mary]

But they seem to have fun. A lot of people made up. It was.

[Nick]

Am I right about the Harvey Wallbangers?

[Unknown Female Guest]

He replaced Buck Rogers. And he was replaced by Renee Leach.

[Nick]

Yeah, but Were the brewers called the Harvey Wallbangers?

[Unknown Female Guest]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Okay. Thank you.

[Natalie]

Okay. The scene with Lisa and Larsa making up, Lisa felt so performative to me where she like, takes off her glasses and she's like, I'm crying and she's like, let me put my glasses back on. I don't want anyone to see me.

[Lisa Traeger]

So I unfortunately did not watch the newest episode of Miami. Um, but I would like to say Lisa and Larsa to me are the most two, the number one and two most vapid housewives in all franchise. Across all franchises.

[Unknown Female Guest]

Not the vapid.

[Natalie]

Not the vapid.

[Mary]

Continue.

[Lisa Traeger]

I think they're both empty vessels of nonsense and watching them talk is amazing television. But it's like, I've just never seen people that are so. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Vapid, you know, with the fact that we have drug out her following Marcus for this long. Wrong.

[Lisa Traeger]

It's so rude. Unfollow your friend's ex. You dumb. Like, I can't even.

[Natalie]

Even if it's your boyfriend's bestie, it doesn't matter.

[Lisa Traeger]

It's. You're 50. What are you talking about the Internet for? Who gives a. Like, unfollow your friend's ex. Mute him. Like, I just. I don't. I can't. I can't.

[Natalie]

Do you think that she called the paparazzi?

[Lisa Traeger]

What is Marcus posting that's like, so riveting?

[Natalie]

Like, what do you think Larsa called the paparazzi on Marcus snorting the cocaine on the yacht?

[Lisa Traeger]

I hope so.

[Nick]

Alexia married to a cocaine cowboy is dated.

[Natalie]

Dated.

[Nick]

Dated wild.

[Mary]

Dated a cocaine cowboy.

[Lisa Traeger]

It's not that wild. She was married to another coke king. Like, she's like the sexiest woman of in Miami. Of course she's with a cocaine cowboy.

[Nick]

I mean, certainly a serial killer.

[Lisa Traeger]

Oh, wow. I didn't think about that. I understand now.

[Mary]

Yeah, she likes dangerous.

[Lisa Traeger]

Danger.

[Natalie]

She likes danger.

[Mary]

I think the thing about Miami in the 80s is you could like, throw like, you know, a tiny little spoon and hit a coke dealer.

[Nick]

I guess so. I guess.

[Lisa Traeger]

Oh, yeah, the killing of it all. But to me, it's still crazier. I forgot what season when Todd was like, they admitted pissing on each other and I was like, this is crazy for housewives.

[Natalie]

Crazy.

[Lisa Traeger]

That's crazier than cocaine cowboy. To me, getting on Bravo and admitting you're like, pissing on each other. Other. It's great.

[Mary]

Miami will just say it.

[Nick]

You've had too much sex. If. If you have to resort to.

[Lisa Traeger]

To that or it's your thing. We don't Kink shame here on Vile Files.

[Nick]

Why not?

[Natalie]

I don't know. I. I definitely. I'm definitely Kink. Shaming Gretchen, breaking Slade's penis, and then continuing to talk about it every episode.

[Lisa Traeger]

This is a classic thing among salt, me and my best friends slash, you know, bravo, babes. What we talk about all the time. Time is these women are always talking about all the sex they're having, but we know for a fact they're not. Yeah, there's. Why are you. Have. I have sex eight times a day. Okay, sure, yeah, Scott, it has time.

[Natalie]

That's why they always play the game. When was the last time you had sex? At dinner. Because they know everyone's gonna lie.

[Nick]

Yeah. No one. No normal adult has sex. If you have sex twice a day, that's.

[Lisa Traeger]

That's.

[Nick]

That's something to celebrate.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Well, I feel like it's like Lisa Vanderpump rules, where Lisa Vanderpump's entire personality was, like, Sabrina Carpenter double entendre. But then that woman had sex twice a year.

[Justin]

If that.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah, if that.

[Natalie]

It was once, and it was on Ken's birthday.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

[Natalie]

That's true, that's true.

[Lisa Traeger]

No, Miami is superior in terms. That's why OC Is so boring. I'm like, we're still talking about this pot. Like, move on. On move on. Like, Miami keeps it moving. And I like that.

[Justin]

That's how I feel about, like, Salt Lake City.

[Lisa Traeger]

Keep it moving.

[Justin]

Salt Lake City and Miami. I love it so much. Where I'm like, beverly Hills really needs to bring it. Because I'm like, if I have to watch one storyline for 18 episodes again, I'll lose it.

[Mary]

Conflict resolution. Conflict resolution. Conflict, no resolution. Reunion resolution.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I need. I need Charlie Sheen to make an appearance on Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.

[Justin]

Oh, I forgot about.

[Nick]

He started watching that doc on Netflix. Wild.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah.

[Unknown Female Guest]

Oh, yeah. A lot of people are liking it.

[Justin]

I haven't seen it yet.

[Natalie]

Opens the documentary up with saying he was on a 300 passenger plane, hammered out of his mind after he just, like, swallows six mini shots of hard liquor. And the captain is like, oh, Charlie Sheen, like, big fan, big fan. And he likes to fly the plane. Lets him fly the plane, lets him sit in the seat in the cockpit, takes it off autopilot, and lets Charlie Sheen, hammered. Fly a 300 passenger plane.

[Lisa Traeger]

Fame is a disease. Like, allow. What?

[Natalie]

Literally?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Lisa Traeger]

Imagine being on that plane, even sitting in it. I'm okay with. I would try to get in the cockpit, but to take it off autopilot. What? He's hammered. Why?

[Justin]

Yeah, he has no training.

[Natalie]

He has no. Like, he doesn't even know he's drunk, but he has no training.

[Lisa Traeger]

But you know when you take like a Chinese child to Chuck E. Cheese, you don't have to give him quarters. They don't know what's happening. Like, this man's passed out. Like, he doesn't know if he's flying it or not. Like, let him keep it on autopilot. Why do you actually need to put all these people's lives in danger?

[Natalie]

Which reminds me of when my. My mom gave my daughter, my 19 month old daughter a frozen waffle because she said she wanted it. And I was like, she doesn't know it has to be toasted. It looks the same frozen and toasted. She's like, but she just wanted it so bad right then.

[Nick]

And I'm like, if she asked for a knife, would you give her that too?

[Natalie]

But yeah, like they don't know.

[Lisa Traeger]

Did we find out if the pilot got fired or fined?

[Nick]

Well, he told the story, I think, you know, 30 years after it happened. Happened type of thing.

[Natalie]

Yeah. So we don't know.

[Nick]

Yeah, this was in the 80s where they're.

[Lisa Traeger]

Oh yeah, 80s are different.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Lisa Traeger]

Pre 9 11. We could have a good time up there.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Unknown Female Guest]

The pilot's retired by now and he.

[Nick]

Was French according to Charlie Sheen's accent.

[Lisa Traeger]

I did get to go into the cockpit in December, but we were grounded. But the guy was like, we're delayed if anyone wants to come on up. So I got in there, it was.

[Nick]

Like, was it you and a bunch of 7 year olds?

[Lisa Traeger]

Just kidding. That is actually what happened. It was just me. I was first because, you know, I'm. I'm obviously in first class. I'm going to Cincinnati. I'm. I'm upgraded, obviously. And so I was first in there. I was having the time of my life. And then I walked outside and it was a line of children. And I realized that I misunderstood.

[Nick]

That sounded like me on my first Thanksgiving at Natalie's family when they brought out the ice. Well, they have a rule. Apparently the kids go first in this family. Family. I was not made aware of this rule. And then there was. Well, it was the day after Thanksgiving dinner. So then I guess I was made aware of the rule. But there was an engagement celebration for Natalie's cousin and his. His lovely now bride. And they brought out the ice cream buffet. This was before I was off sugar.

[Natalie]

A lot of disclaimers and I don't.

[Nick]

Know it like looks least three minutes had passed and ice cream melts and no one was going up there. So I was like, all right, well, I guess I'll start this train. All the moms in the room, I was like, the new boyfriend at the time were just devastated.

[Natalie]

And a bunch of my nieces and.

[Nick]

Nephews and I was basically like knocking kids over. Yeah.

[Lisa Traeger]

But like, they don't. I've flown over 700,000 miles. Yeah. Let me in the cockpit.

[Natalie]

It's time. Have you gotten your wing pin yet?

[Lisa Traeger]

I have wing p. Well, I collect the delta cards.

[Unknown Female Guest]

Oh, you do?

[Lisa Traeger]

I collect the trading cards from the.

[Unknown Female Guest]

Pilots, so that makes sense now.

[Nick]

Oh, another thing for all the audience members who's. Who've listened to this show before. We had Nally's brother in law over for dinner a week ago, and now he's like, would you want to come over? Do you want to come over for dinner? And he was like, can you cook? And Nally was like, no, but Nick can. So I made my meatballs with my homemade sauce. And if you listen to this show, you know that on that same thing scene Thanksgiving, Nally brought me her boyfriend and she, Amanda, her sister married to her brother in law, suggested I make something. So now he's like, he can make meatballs. So I made meatballs for a family that like, is very traditional when it comes to Thanksgiving. And her family, all her aunts and her grandma made fun of me because like, I.

[Natalie]

Not because he made the meatballs necessarily, but because it was the only thing.

[Nick]

He ate because I hate fucking turkey.

[Natalie]

My sweet grandma. There was like, no, Nick, did you try my stuff in? And he was like, no, no, I didn't. I have 20 of my own meatballs.

[Nick]

Anyway, her brother in law is eating these meatballs and he's like, these are the best meatballs I've ever had. Why haven't you made these before? And I was like, you got to be kidding me. You know, I made them for you two years ago.

[Natalie]

Two?

[Nick]

Yeah. I don't know. But anyway, so I want.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah, I'm actually. I've realized in the last few years I don't think I like meatballs because I went to a meatball contest and I ate at all the meatballs and I was like, I don't think I'm into meatballs.

[Natalie]

I think that would ruin anything.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Lisa Traeger]

And I always order them. I want to be cool. I feel it's like a fun order. And I'm always like, I just want a piece of bread.

[Unknown Female Guest]

What about Ikea meatballs. Those are delicious.

[Lisa Traeger]

Oh, God, they're not, but I'll do it because I love, like, kitsch. I like to lean in.

[Natalie]

Yeah, you love a bit.

[Lisa Traeger]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I want to lean in.

[Nick]

Are you an SNL fan, Lisa?

[Lisa Traeger]

I am, but I would say casual. I also like, you know, I have friends on it. I've been, I've been in the green room.

[Nick]

Any inside tea? Why? Everyone's like the mess. Mass exodus at snl.

[Lisa Traeger]

Listen, I don't know about specific.

[Nick]

You grinned.

[Natalie]

You did.

[Lisa Traeger]

You know something? I think it's a messed up place and I think there's a lot of psychological torture going on. Okay. And I think it's great for people's careers. I think it's cool. I think it's fun. Take it. I wish you mentally well, but I don't think anyone that leaves is a upset or they're upset because they get fired. But I think a few months out, everyone feels free. Maybe like the. They're out of a cult. Maybe.

[Mary]

Okay, maybe allegedly potential, like perhaps.

[Lisa Traeger]

I think that's the vibe. Right?

[Cole Walliser]

Okay.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Lisa Traeger]

Wasn't there a bunch of jokes on the 50th of like, we're too mentally unwell?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Mary]

I mean, couldn't like, Bill Hader not go to the 50th because the idea of going to that studio made him like, have a panic attack.

[Lisa Traeger]

And then some people shine. Listen, have all my friends been fired from there? Yes, constantly, for over a decade. But. And some people love it, some people take it for what it is. Some people lose themselves, some people shine, some people get bull. Like, you know, it's lots of different people and it's a high stress, competitive environment. It's like Drag Race. There could be amazing drag queens, but Drag Race is maybe not the format or like, they can deal with it. Some get lost in the sauce, you know, it's like so individual.

[Natalie]

Okay, well, thanks for the inside scoop.

[Nick]

Yeah, Little, Little.

[Lisa Traeger]

I know all my friends are pissed. No one will talk to me ever again.

[Natalie]

But I'm like, well, we appreciate it, Lisa.

[Nick]

This always fun to have you on.

[Lisa Traeger]

I can't believe I'm leaving.

[Natalie]

No, no, come back.

[Nick]

Yeah, come on. I'll get your name right.

[Lisa Traeger]

I'm devastated.

[Natalie]

Please come back.

[Nick]

Can you plug tell us where we can find fun stuff?

[Lisa Traeger]

I would love to. Listen, I am out on the road, guys. Springfield, Missouri, San Francisco, Baltimore. I'm going to Denver this weekend. But also I'm in Europe. Dublin, London, Amsterdam, Paris. Never been to Paris. Oh, my. Australia. Perth, New Zealand. I know Perth. I canceled not enough ticket sales. But Brisbane, Melbourne, Sydney, Auckland.

[Nick]

Where can people get tickets and support you?

[Lisa Traeger]

I'm actually working on rebranding right now. But at Glitterchee, it's like people forgot how to use the Internet. Figure it out. Don't people remember? Encyclopedia is going to the library doing research. Find the link, type in my name. Google. Lisa Traeger, Australia.

[Natalie]

Can I ask tickets or do I have to type in my credit card info?

[Lisa Traeger]

I don't know. Hopefully there's a shop pay. I don't know, I just.

[Mary]

Just give me your credit card information.

[Lisa Traeger]

Then I can get.

[Natalie]

Okay, great.

[Lisa Traeger]

Some announced I am having a big deal show in January, February, ish, that I'm announcing soon. But at Glitter Cheese on Instagram, I have a podcast called that's Messed up, an SVU podcast where we talk about svu, the true crime it's based on. We interview actors from it and we did just interview someone from Dexter Resurrection who's in seven episodes of svu. So that was a thrill. But yeah, it's called that's Messed up and then, oh, my Netflix special. That's the most important thing. Actually, please watch my Netflix special. It's an hour. It came out in January, but still relevant. It's called Night Owl and I'm proud of it. I'm proud of it. This was a thrill, guys.

[Natalie]

Amazing. We'll see you next time.

[Nick]

Well, we love you. Thanks for coming on.

[Lisa Traeger]

My God. Love you guys.

[Nick]

And we love you all. Thank you to our guests Lisa Trager and Cole. Walter will see you back tomorrow for going deeper with Jesse James Decker and her husband Eric Decker. And on Thursday, we have some great guests lined up for you. We'll see you all then. Bye. Bye.