E1004 - Chelsea Frei, Special Forces w/ Mark Estes, RHOC, RHOM and Christoper Briney Erotica

Summary

The Viall Files – E1004: Chelsea Frei, Special Forces w/ Mark Estes, RHOC, RHOM & Christopher Briney Erotica

Episode Overview

In this packed Reality Recap episode (September 23, 2025), Nick Viall and the "Household" crew (including Natalie Joy, Victoria Fuller, Susie Evans, and more) serve up a blend of relationship banter, pop culture commentary, and deep dives into the latest in reality television. The episode is highlighted by interviews with Chelsea Frei, star of Peacock’s The Paper, and Mark Estes, viral Montana Boy and recent ex of Kristin Cavallari, now competing on Special Forces. The crew recaps RHOC and RHOM with their signature wit and explores the phenomenon of Christopher Briney narrating erotica, leading to some memorable in-studio moments.

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Main Themes & Purpose

• Pop Culture, Reality TV & Relationships: A comedic and insightful roundtable on all things dating, friendship, and current TV events.
• Spotlights & Interviews: In-depth chats with Chelsea Frei (on ensemble comedies and Pilates etiquette) and Mark Estes (on TikTok fame, relationships, and reality survival).
• Fan-Favorite Recaps: Animated discussions of Real Housewives of Orange County and Miami, exploring gender norms, reality TV "breadwinners," and the latest feuds.
• Playful Vulnerability: The team gets silly and open, whether it’s relationship “icks," fashion confessions, or attempting their own sultry voiceovers.

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Key Discussion Points & Segments

1. Household Updates & Relationship Banter

• Community Connection & Outings (03:42)
  Nick, Natalie, Victoria, and crew share about a local winery outing, advocating for getting off phones and into local community activities.
  • Nick: “People don’t hang out anymore outside of their... It’s good to find what’s going on in your local community.”
• Victoria’s New Romance (04:46)
  Victoria reveals she’s gone Instagram official and shares a lighthearted recap of dating a “grounded, not-toxic” guy.

2. Fashion Week & Relationship Fashion “Notes” (07:27)

• NYFW Reflections:
  Victoria worked with Paige DeSorbo and filmed a Tresemme YouTube miniseries. Sat front row at Christian Siriano.
  • Victoria: "I finally got to do something big for Fashion Week."
• Giving Fashion Feedback to Partners:
  Spirited roundtable on how (and if) to deliver notes on a partner’s style.
  • Susie: “I did this with my fiancé. Now that we are together as one, let's start changing some things.” (09:59)
  • Nick suggests: "Don’t criticize—gas them up in something you love.” (10:46)

3. Male & Female Friendship Dynamics (11:22)

• Judging Exes:
  Victoria recounts a car ride with guys analyzing a friend’s ex’s new partner (“downgrade debates”), and Nick compares it to how women respond.
  • Nick: "Men play a lot of the stereotypes—gassing up their boys any way possible." (12:48)
• The “Summer I Turned Pretty” / Audiobook Erotica Phenomenon (15:03)
  • The cast comedically attempts their sexiest “audiobook narrator” voices following news that Christopher Briney is voicing an erotica series. [15:20–18:43]
  • Memorable Mary quote: "You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined." (15:28)
  • Natalie: "Giggling isn't sexy." (17:37)
  • Victoria: "Oh my god, I feel sick. I never want to do that again." (18:09)

4. The Summer I Turned Pretty Recap (18:50)

• Discussing the finale, romantic choices, and behind-the-scenes production twists (fake Paris scenes to confuse fans, the impact of Taylor Swift music).
  • Leia: "There’s a movie coming out now… third and final season." (19:00)
  • Natalie: "I love every version of you, and I would find you in every lifetime." (20:00)

5. Housewife Recaps – RHOC & RHOM

Orange County Highlights (30:20–37:44)

• Recap delivered rapid-fire by Natalie.
  • Gretchen pays for everything for Slade; his lack of employment is a core plot point.
• The “Breadwinner” Debate:
  Team unpacks gendered expectations about money and why women breadwinners get scrutinized.
  • Susie: "We've never been clear what Slade actually does..."
• Feuding & Feathers:
  Tamra’s ongoing drama with Shannon, sex tape/recording rumors, and infamous pop song attempts.
  • Susie: "The SoundCloud recording of Tamra is circulating..." (35:16)
  • Natalie: "It's giving.... Vile." (36:13)
• Massage Preference Sidebar:
  Who likes chair vs. table massages?
  • Nick: "I love a chair." (37:09)
• Favorite Housewives with Real Jobs:
  Discussion of who’s an actual professional spouse and gender role reversals.

Miami Highlights (40:02–41:52)

• Rapid recap of key drama:
  Ratchet-gate, the 59th birthday cake, Kiki’s comedic timing, and private plane etiquette ("no pooping" rule).
• Adriana’s language mix-ups and friendship tensions.
  • Mary: "She says a lot of words wrong, and for this to be the thing we’re jumping down her throat for..."
  • Nick: “The hero of the episode was... Adriana’s friend who was like, ‘wretched’s for everybody.’” (41:17)
• Aftershow Discovery:
  Stephanie allegedly makes her glam squad fast before flying to avoid bathroom issues on private planes. (42:13)

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6. Interview: Chelsea Frei (45:29–68:14)

Highlights:

• Landing “The Paper”:
  • On the set with Office veterans: “John Krasinski and Steve Carell just walk in… I was like, please don’t do this!” (47:54)
  • Fun fact: her elaborate desk snacks triggered Universal’s raccoon ban.
• Pilates & Pandemic Friendships:
  Chelsea’s intimate, never-in-person bond with her virtual Pilates coach (“Five years, never met!”).
  • Chelsea: “If I ever saw her in person, I think I’d scream and run the other direction.” (55:00)
• Housewives Fandom:
  Chelsea admits she mainly watches Salt Lake City; panel recommends RHOC, Atlanta, Miami as “must” entries.
  • “Ultimate Girls Trip is the best way to do it.” (57:29)
• Game Segment: Not Safe for Work (61:04):
  • Rapid-fire on workplace icks (“noisy coworkers!”), passive-aggressive email sign-offs ("warm regards" is “giving cold”), and corporate jargon (“vertical integration” confuses everyone).
  • “I use ‘Best’ all the time… Oh my God.” (63:29 – Victoria Fuller)
  • “If I wasn't in entertainment, I'd get a job wherever I could have a label-maker.” (66:34)

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7. Interview: Mark Estes (73:32–94:19)

Highlights:

• TikTok Fame & The Montana Boys:
  Origin story: grew slowly during college, got big after graduation; each plays a role. Caleb is the “Harry Styles” energy. (94:06)
  • Mark: “We were just country kids, singing along to three songs… just kept doing it and it took off.”
• Dating, From Kristin Cavallari to Sommer Ray:
  Open about moving on due to “different points in our lives.” Met Sommmer Ray via DMs, reunited at Stagecoach. Acknowledges the “iconic” status of both women.
  • Mark on Kristin: “I just wasn’t… It was time to do it [break up].” (79:35)
• Special Forces Experience:
  • Only had 2 weeks notice to prepare. Spoke with Dwight Howard (from season one) prior.
  • Toughest part: the un-cut, relentless intensity—“no downtime, they’re on your ass 24/7.” (86:38)
  • Picky eating was a struggle: "We had a lot of hard-boiled eggs, me and Johnny." (87:13)
  • On mental prep: “You see people start creating reasons to leave so it’s not ‘quitting’ to them.” (90:01)
  • Who surprised him: Nick Young. “He got through a lot… he would say he wasn’t gonna do it, but he did.”
  • “Were you hoping this would turn on your girlfriend?” “Yeah, she and her family are excited [for the show].” (92:24)
• Candid Reflections & Humility:
  Mark is honest about not wanting to talk much about old relationships (“respect for current girlfriend”) and being surprised by reality’s intensity.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments with Timestamps

• Nick: “People don’t hang out anymore outside of their [phones]. It’s good to find what’s going on in your local community.” (04:03)
• Victoria: “I’m allergic to normal. I get hives.” (05:28)
• Susie: “I did this with my fiancé. ...Now that we are together as one, let's start changing some things.” (09:59)
• Nick: “Don’t criticize—gas them up… Men want to feel hot. Gaslight them, but in a positive way.” (10:46)
• Mary (in sultry voice contest): “You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.” (15:28)
• Victoria: “Giggling isn’t sexy.” (17:37)
• Natalie: “I love every version of you, and I would find you in every lifetime.” (20:00)
• Susie (about Slade on RHOC): “We've never been clear what Slade actually does... even his mom was on an episode being like, 'What? You can’t provide? Why would you propose to her?’” (31:04)
• Nick: “Slade is mad Tamra keeps bringing Joe around… but does he even have a real job?” (36:07)
• Chelsea Frei: "John Krasinski and Steve Carell walk in and we were all just like—please don’t do this! Nightmare!" (47:54)
• Chelsea Frei: “Five years of Pilates together, we’ve never met in person. If I ever saw her, I’d run.” (55:00)
• Chelsea Frei: “Anywhere I could have a label maker... I love organizing.” (66:34)
• Mark Estes: “Famous is a crazy word... We just loved country music and kept doing it.” (74:02, 77:56)
• Mark Estes (on the toughest part of Special Forces): “There’s no downtime, they're on your ass 24/7.” (86:38)
• Nick (on personal pride in quitting): "Everyone who ended up quitting or leaving the show, you saw them start coming up with reasons why... that to them, wasn't quitting." (90:01)
• Victoria/Mark nicknaming: “Who’s the Harry Styles of the Montana Boys?” “Caleb.” (94:03)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:42] – Community outings & relationship update banter
• [07:27] – Fashion Week, giving partner fashion feedback
• [11:22] – Friendship group debates: Exes & new partners
• [15:03–18:43] – Christopher Briney audiobook erotica and “sexy voice” contest
• [18:50] – The Summer I Turned Pretty finale talk
• [30:20] – RHOC recap & breadwinner discussion
• [40:02] – RHOM recap & “ratchet-gate”
• [45:29–68:14] – Chelsea Frei interview & Not Safe for Work game
• [73:32–94:19] – Mark Estes interview: Montana Boys, TikTok, dating, Special Forces

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Language, Tone, and Atmosphere

• Language: Candid, irreverent, playful, sometimes self-deprecating but supportive—full of inside-joke camaraderie.
• Tone: Fast-paced, humorous, gossip-y—but with vulnerable and honest moments, especially around relationships, insecurity, and "icks."
• Atmosphere: Feels like a group of close friends (with minor celebrity status) gossiping on a couch, happy to tease each other and welcome guests into the fun.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode is a microcosm of The Viall Files at its best: lively, witty conversation covering every angle of reality TV obsession, dating hilarity and drama, and the glories (and goofiness) of pop culture fame. Chelsea Frei offers acting world insights and Pilates comedy; Mark Estes is honest about moving through public relationships and surviving a reality competition. If you want a blend of juicy recaps, fresh interviews, and relatable, rapid-fire banter, this recap edition delivers.

Transcript

[Nick]

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[Victoria Fuller]

A L L you're crazy.

[Nick]

What's Going on, everybody. Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files reality recap edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by my smart, charismatic.

[Natalie]

That's crazy because I'm always so used.

[Nick]

To saying sexy, beautiful, wonderful. It just flows off the tongue. Funny, hysterical, charismatic, smart.

[Victoria Fuller]

He said smart.

[Natalie]

He didn't even finish smart. He was like, I don't know if she is.

[Victoria Fuller]

Honestly.

[Natalie]

That'S nuts.

[Nick]

Anyway, the household is full. Our friend, friend of show Victoria Fuller is here along with Susie Evans and the rest of the household. We have a lot to get into, lots of fun to talk about. We got a jam packed episode for you. Joining us this episode, Chelsea Fry from the new hit show the Paper. Many of you are laughing, streaming and enjoying that as well as Mark Estes. You know him from TikTok, one of the Montana boys, also famously known as Kristen Cavallari's ex. Mark, who is on special forces fresh off his relationship with Kristen, joins us later this episode to talk about joining the special forces family. He's also hot to trot on TikTok and we grill him about his relationship.

[Victoria Fuller]

That's fun.

[Natalie]

Well, he's also currently dating Summer Ray.

[Nick]

Yeah, he's also currently dating Summer Ray.

[Victoria Fuller]

I love that.

[Natalie]

How do you know Summer?

[Mark Estes]

I don't.

[Victoria Fuller]

Should we get into it?

[Nick]

He's dating someone named Summer Rae, who my wife tells me is a, is a lovely gal. I've never heard of her.

[Victoria Fuller]

Don't know her.

[Natalie]

Well, we had a wonderful weekend this past weekend. Victoria got us out of the house.

[Victoria Fuller]

I guess I did.

[Nick]

I'm really into my like, I'll say this much about the world in that we just need to like dive into our community, whoever our community is. And Victoria took us to this lovely winery over the weekend. You're welcome, kid. Friendly people approved. Everyone was just like lovely and outside and off their phones and just having a good vibe.

[Victoria Fuller]

Smoking cigars.

[Nick]

I smoked a cigar for the first time in a long time. They were selling cigars. Anyways, we had such a good time. Like honestly, it's just like, it's so good. I really think people need to be like finding what's going on in their local community. Whether you're in a relationship, out of a relationship, just get outside, have some fun, connect.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah, I agree.

[Nick]

Victoria brought a date.

[Mary]

I like that. Nick's idea of investing community is just doing like hanging out.

[Victoria Fuller]

Hanging out?

[Nick]

Yeah. People don't hang out anymore outside of their.

[Natalie]

There was a lot of like older kids who were like playing with river and then like their parents would like, come and, like, the parents were all talking to the other parents and, like, the kids were playing with the kids, and it was a cute vibe. There was live music. It was.

[Victoria Fuller]

It was fun. It was a lot of fun. Did we just glaze over that. Did Nick just say Victoria brought a date? Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Is that what we heard?

[Victoria Fuller]

Is that what we heard? Well. And I did bring a date.

[Natalie]

Well, you did go Instagram official.

[Victoria Fuller]

And we are. We are married.

[Susie Evans]

So surprise, surprise, you heard it here first.

[Victoria Fuller]

I'm engaged.

[Nick]

We're trying to force relationship on all our friends because selfishly, Natalie and I want to build a community with all our friends having babies and in relationships at the same time. It's really all about us really not trying to force our lifestyle and anyone else except for the people we want to hang out with on a regular basis.

[Victoria Fuller]

But how did you like him? Nick?

[Nick]

I liked him.

[Victoria Fuller]

He was cool, right?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Well, you had your first.

[Nick]

I said normal, which gave Victoria the ick.

[Natalie]

Oh.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh.

[Natalie]

First off, she knows. She's used to it.

[Victoria Fuller]

I'm allergic to normal.

[Nick]

Not that he gave normal.

[Victoria Fuller]

I'm allergic to normal. I'm very allergic. Highly.

[Natalie]

Hives.

[Victoria Fuller]

Hives everywhere.

[Nick]

I say normal, she hears boring.

[Victoria Fuller]

And I don't like that because I don't think he's boring. But so when you say normal, it's more like grounded.

[Nick]

That he's grounded.

[Victoria Fuller]

Grounded, Healthy. He's even keel.

[Natalie]

He's healthy.

[Susie Evans]

He's healthy. Not toxic.

[Victoria Fuller]

Not toxic. Not really in the scene. He's low key.

[Natalie]

But you had your first date while you were in New York for New York Fashion Week?

[Victoria Fuller]

Yes, we did. He flew to New York and he came to New York and we went on our first date and we spent two days together.

[Nick]

That's what we did.

[Victoria Fuller]

And it was lovely. Yeah, I know. Very reminiscent. It was just fun.

[Natalie]

Was Fashion Week in a whole fun.

[Victoria Fuller]

For you this year? Fashion Week was work.

[Nick]

Who did you see?

[Victoria Fuller]

So I was with Paige of Sorbo most of the time.

[Nick]

We love her.

[Victoria Fuller]

We love Paige.

[Nick]

How does she feel about me?

[Victoria Fuller]

Hates you. I'm just kidding.

[Natalie]

She didn't. She's like, your name didn't come up.

[Victoria Fuller]

Absolutely despises you. No. You didn't come up in conversation, unfortunately. But, you know, she probably likes you. Think there's a reason to.

[Nick]

What do you really think?

[Victoria Fuller]

I think she probably doesn't love your take on her ex. I wouldn't like it either.

[Nick]

Yeah, I get it.

[Victoria Fuller]

If you were, like, hyping up Greg.

[Natalie]

I'd be like, whereas what we're all doing together.

[Victoria Fuller]

So we were working with Tresemme, so it was very busy for 48 hours, which was so much fun. We got to film this, like, miniseries on YouTube that will be coming out soon. So it was just, like, show what's going on behind the scenes with Trust Me, during Fashion Week, which was amazing because I just have always dreamed of doing something like that. And I finally got to do something, like, really big for Fashion Week.

[Natalie]

No, it's like, on that.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah. Sat front row at the Christian Siriano show. Oh, my God. They were, like, videoing us the whole time on our commentary, which is crazy.

[Natalie]

That's crazy.

[Victoria Fuller]

On the outfits, on the vibe, on the hair. So it's very cool. That is really cool.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Victoria Fuller]

So check it out on YouTube in, like, a week or two.

[Nick]

Question. Since Fashion Week, I've just popped in my head, question for all the ladies in the room right now. Like, how do you guys approach communicating to your boyfriends or people you're dating, whether you like or more specifically, don't like part of their outfit? Like, do you guys give notes?

[Victoria Fuller]

I have a hard time giving notes.

[Natalie]

You have a hard time giving notes?

[Victoria Fuller]

I have a hard time giving notes because, yeah, I don't know that I fully trust myself. And so sometimes I'll see something, and I'm like, is this fashion, or am I just so behind in the times? But I've definitely been uncomfortable with some of my past partners outfits.

[Natalie]

Like, what has it been that's made you uncomfortable? Like, is it skinny jeans? Is it Chelsea boots?

[Victoria Fuller]

No, I feel like it's like, risky fashion, you know, like, risky fashion where I'm like, oh, like, I wouldn't have. I wouldn't have gone for that.

[Mary]

I didn't know you were into street.

[Victoria Fuller]

The call out was wild.

[Susie Evans]

Natalie.

[Natalie]

I just was, like, curious. Like, what? Like, what?

[Nick]

I mean, when Natalie met me, I was. I was all skinny jeans and Chelsea boots. And Natalie, God bless her, I. Because I am. No, no, no. Seriously, you're sticking with me. I'm from the Midwest.

[Victoria Fuller]

You turned that ship around.

[Nick]

And As a Midwest B.O. always wanted to be fashionable. I enjoyed fashion. I made an attempt at, like, keeping up with fashion, but when you're from the Midwest, it just, like, it comes inland much slower. I mean, I had friends getting out of boot cut jeans into skinny jeans when I was migrating out of skinny jeans into, like, regular fitting pants because Natalie appropriately shamed me. And thank God for her because I used to paint that shit on my pants, and I can't, like, it's so uncomfortable. It really took. But it took a lady in my life to just say, hey, yeah. Because I think all men, when they get to, like, a certain age, freeze in time with their fashion.

[Victoria Fuller]

I actually think, though, because I've done the whole transformation and, like, gone through that with. With men that I've dated, and I'm like, you're going to wear this. You're going to wear this, like, and really elevate them. And then we break up. So I actually would like to go the opposite way.

[Nick]

You don't want to make them.

[Victoria Fuller]

I want them to be heinous. I don't want them to be fashionable. I want them to be lose. I don't want them to know the.

[Leia]

Trends until there's a ring on your finger.

[Natalie]

It doesn't.

[Leia]

The fashion doesn't change until we are.

[Victoria Fuller]

Married and I have. I am with child.

[Natalie]

He's going to look. Girls will not desire him.

[Victoria Fuller]

Girls will look at him with disgust.

[Nick]

Okay, so when. If you're not Victoria Fuller in Toxic.

[Victoria Fuller]

That is rude. That's actually really rude.

[Natalie]

That was mean.

[Susie Evans]

I was actually gonna say, I did this with my. With my fiance. Now I let him be himself. And then now that we are in the process of together as one, let's start changing some things.

[Natalie]

So you're like, okay, now these have to go. And he's like, I've been wearing these for the last 10 years. And you're just now telling me he.

[Susie Evans]

Has had a couple of moments like that recently. Actually, a couple days ago, he was literally, like, called me and he was like, that shirt that you didn't like, the blue one buttoned down. Is it. Was there a reason? And I was like, I thought I threw that away. And it was. It was a different shirt, but it was like he was literally calling me with anxiety because he didn't want to wear this shirt because he knew I didn't like it and thought it was going to look bad.

[Nick]

You know what the trick is, Susie, for in the future, when you're dating a guy who gives a shit whether you like whether it's fashionable or not?

[Natalie]

If they look like shit, tell them.

[Victoria Fuller]

No, no.

[Nick]

You don't know. It's the opposite. Don't. Don't criticize them. Don't be like, ew, that looks bad. Don't. You're stupid. It's more. Give them something to wear. Pick out something. Maybe it's a gift. Put it. Have them try it on and go, oh, my God, you look so fucking good in that. That's hot. That's sexy. Oh, my God.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh.

[Nick]

You know, like, men want to feel hot. They want to feel good. They want to feel pretty. They really do. And if you just, like, make them feel that way, like, it'll work. It's not. It's not about criticizing what they. What they're doing. It's like, it's gassing them up. And, like, you gas. Literally gaslight them into wearing what you want them to wear.

[Mary]

Positive gaslighting.

[Victoria Fuller]

So. And you're calling me toxic. That's crazy. Okay, wait, I have. I have a question. Because I was in a car full of boys, young men, if you will. I won't go into too much detail about that, but I was listening to this conversation, and one of the guys found out that his ex has moved on. And they pulled up a picture of the new guy, and he was, like, slightly less attractive than the guy that was in the car with us. And everyone's, like, dogging on the new guy and just talking about his looks, like, how it's a downgrade, all this stuff. And I genuinely, like, from the depths of my soul, I wanted to be like. You do realize he's probably, like, a decent human who, like, doesn't lie, doesn't manipulate her. Like, it really has nothing to do with his looks. I kept that to myself because I actually don't know these people that well. But in the back of my head, I was like, is this, like, how all men think you lose the girls, like, because you weren't hot enough or that this guy isn't as attractive? Like, I was so confused, and I'm like, I've not been in car fulls of men full of men before. So.

[Nick]

Nick, honestly, it sounds like car full of ladies.

[Susie Evans]

I know.

[Natalie]

My takeaway is, like, love the fact that they are, like, pulling up a photo. They're, like, doing. Being little FBI agents. They're, like, finding a photo of the new guy, like, scrolling back years.

[Nick]

They're like, ooh, girl, he's ugly.

[Susie Evans]

You wear skinny jeans.

[Victoria Fuller]

I was like, I. I mean, I don't. I was so caught off guard. I was like, is this what happens in with men, Nick?

[Natalie]

Do y' all do that?

[Nick]

I think, honestly, in a lot of ways, yeah. Men are a lot. Like, playing a lot of the stereotypes that are about when it comes to, like, women talking about men and dating. And men are great. Well, gassing up their boys and making them feel good and they'll. They're pulling for anything. If they think their friends hotter than the other person, they'll Say that if they're. If the guy she left him for has, like, what they perceive to be, like, not as cool of a job, they'll on that. Right. They're just, like, gassing up their friend, you know, Just the same way. I think ladies would do that.

[Victoria Fuller]

Absolutely right. I would be like, she's heinous.

[Nick]

I get Susie. If your friend was like. Was all upset about her ex moving on, and then you're like, let me see a picture of her, and you thought she was less attractive than your friend, like, what would you say?

[Victoria Fuller]

True, true, true, true. But if. If I felt like my friend, like, totally fumbled that guy and, like, treated him shitty, like, would I. Would I, like, call it out and be like, well, you did kind of like, I wouldn't.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Victoria Fuller]

That's the thing is I'm like, nobody. I'm like, nobody's living in reality here. Like, you fumbled her.

[Susie Evans]

Like, there's a reason why you guys broke up, and you're thinking it's because she doesn't find you attractive anymore, but it's not about all of the things that you did.

[Nick]

I mean, no offense, though. I. I don't know of a lot of women groups are doing that with their girlfriends when they're upset with. Over a guy.

[Victoria Fuller]

That's fair. That's fair. Okay. I guess it's a good thing I kept my mouth shut.

[Chelsea Fry]

Then it's like, but were you the toxic one?

[Victoria Fuller]

You fumbled him, unfortunately. Right. Maybe I'm the only person that could have said it in the car, but I was like, I'm not gonna put that.

[Susie Evans]

The vibes.

[Victoria Fuller]

I'm not gonna. Yeah, I'm not gonna bring the vibes.

[Nick]

Susie, I want to know, how did you end up with a bunch of young, strange men in a car?

[Victoria Fuller]

I was hitching a ride. I won't. I. I don't want this to get back. You know what I mean? I don't want this to get back to the. The Source. So it feels like it will.

[Natalie]

She was hitching a ride. She was hitching a ride she had her thumb up on the side of Sunset Boulevard.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

For my. The Summer I Turned Pretty Girls. What is this that I'm hearing that Christopher Briony is narrating in Erotica Obsessed?

[Victoria Fuller]

Is this a thing? This is the thing. It's like a new series.

[Natalie]

I'm not a fan of the Summer I Turned Pretty, but I am a fan of eroticas. And so.

[Victoria Fuller]

And she is a fan of eroticas, everyone.

[Natalie]

And so, like, am I excited that young Leonardo Dicaprio lookalike is going to be narrating. I honestly.

[Nick]

Do we have a clip?

[Natalie]

Do we have a clip? I need to hear his sexy voice.

[Nick]

Let's see Christopher Briney's sexy voice.

[Natalie]

Yep, I'm tuned in.

[Leia]

The problem with the audiobook is that I want to see his face.

[Nick]

Close your eyes, Leia.

[Natalie]

Yeah, no, turn the lights on.

[Victoria Fuller]

I see his face everywhere.

[Leia]

My imagination isn't strong enough.

[Natalie]

Your eyes are shut. They should be shut.

[Nick]

All right. Around the room. I want to hear everyone's sexy voice.

[Natalie]

I want to start with Mary.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh, guys, can you give us a line to go off of?

[Natalie]

You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

[Mary]

You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

[Chelsea Fry]

Oh.

[Victoria Fuller]

What the. Was that a little sickly?

[Mary]

Sorry, sorry, sorry. You deserve to be loved.

[Victoria Fuller]

She's a sick smoker for the past 20 years. Yeah, I want to smoke a cigarette before I do mine, but I am a little raspy today, so maybe.

[Nick]

Let's hear it, Susie.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah, let's hear it. Okay. You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

[Natalie]

Loved.

[Victoria Fuller]

Loved.

[Nick]

Leia, you're up.

[Victoria Fuller]

She's like, I'm gone.

[Natalie]

Leia literally disappeared.

[Nick]

Leia.

[Natalie]

Leia.

[Leia]

It's so uncomfy.

[Victoria Fuller]

It's uncomfy.

[Susie Evans]

It's uncomfortable.

[Victoria Fuller]

Do it.

[Leia]

Okay, fine, fine, fine.

[Mary]

Leia, be horny.

[Leia]

You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

[Susie Evans]

That's pretty good.

[Victoria Fuller]

Actually. She's so embarrassed.

[Natalie]

She's gone. She's gone. She deleted herself. She's muted herself.

[Leia]

I did reach out to get Christopher Briney back on the show.

[Victoria Fuller]

I hope that's okay.

[Justin]

Justin, it's against my contract to do that. I don't do impersonations or voices.

[Nick]

Nah, if Leia had to, you'd have to.

[Chelsea Fry]

I can't.

[Justin]

I can't. I literally can't. Leah, do it as me.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah, to do it twice.

[Nick]

Justin, you kind of always speak in a.

[Natalie]

In a sexy.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah, I feel like you're always just.

[Justin]

Sexy, but that's just me. I can't do it if you're, like, asking me to do it.

[Natalie]

Can you just say the words? You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

[Mary]

For the girls.

[Victoria Fuller]

No, honestly, even what he just said, I just. What did you say? I just do it. And I. That was even sexual.

[Natalie]

A little. Sierra.

[Victoria Fuller]

Ooh.

[Susie Evans]

You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

[Nick]

Oh, my gosh.

[Natalie]

Sexy.

[Victoria Fuller]

Wow, guys, I think we're all.

[Susie Evans]

Call me psychic.

[Victoria Fuller]

No, mine was not.

[Susie Evans]

It was good.

[Victoria Fuller]

Ready? Yeah, I guess.

[Natalie]

Are you ready?

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah. You got it?

[Susie Evans]

Are you?

[Natalie]

No, I'm Not. I have the giggles all of a sudden, and I can't feel in character when I'm giggly. Okay. It feels silly.

[Leia]

Giggling isn't sexy.

[Victoria Fuller]

I hate it. I hate it so much. Please do it right now. Okay, yeah, yeah, Nick, but do it.

[Natalie]

Don't do it. Silly.

[Nick]

You deserve to be loved.

[Natalie]

That's your silly.

[Nick]

I don't know how to.

[Victoria Fuller]

That just sounds so, like. Yeah, like, come on, do it low.

[Natalie]

Like, guys, let's pretend.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh, God, please, should I leave?

[Nick]

You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh, my God, I feel sick. I never want to get back.

[Nick]

That means it worked.

[Susie Evans]

I need that.

[Natalie]

You deserve.

[Nick]

Give me. She wants to go full Brittany.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah.

[Victoria Fuller]

Whoa.

[Natalie]

That was like.

[Victoria Fuller]

She was like, dude, just to be carved. And the curses.

[Chelsea Fry]

Oh, God.

[Natalie]

I feel like Victoria is gonna have a good one.

[Victoria Fuller]

No, I don't think so. You deserve to be loved and thoroughly ruined. Oh, my God. Anyway. Wow.

[Natalie]

Round of applause, everybody.

[Nick]

More erotic thrillers in the world.

[Natalie]

Honestly, I'm excited for Wuthering Heights.

[Nick]

Is the summer I'd turn pretty. Like, still airing. Leia, is that on?

[Victoria Fuller]

It's done.

[Leia]

No, the finale. Finale happened, and it was beautiful.

[Victoria Fuller]

It was perfect.

[Leia]

And thank God there's a movie coming out now.

[Nick]

Oh, my God. There's a movie. Is this season. This was season two.

[Natalie]

Three.

[Leia]

This was season three.

[Nick]

Three. And now there's a movie.

[Leia]

This was the third and final season.

[Justin]

We know who she chooses, right?

[Leia]

Spoiler alert.

[Chelsea Fry]

Belly.

[Justin]

No, don't.

[Leia]

Christopher Briney.

[Mary]

Well, yeah, I thought Belly might choose herself for once.

[Leia]

No Stomach chose Conrad.

[Natalie]

No, Stomach ended up going.

[Chelsea Fry]

Stomach is crazy.

[Leia]

It was perfect. All of the Taylor Swift songs were perfect.

[Victoria Fuller]

I loved it. Dress. The.

[Leia]

The dress scene.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh, my gosh. I can't. And then she's, like, running. I'm like, you're so slow. Pick up the pace. Then she has this, like, one line train. And I'm like, okay. And she cooked with that line.

[Natalie]

What was the line?

[Victoria Fuller]

I can't remember. It was just like. And I never want to live this life without you.

[Natalie]

That's what I said in. In. In my vows today. So unoriginal.

[Victoria Fuller]

Very unoriginal.

[Leia]

I choose you in every lifetime.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Natalie]

Mine to Nick was, I love every version of you, and I would find you in every lifetime in the similar.

[Victoria Fuller]

Okay, yeah. So she did steal it from you. And she was at your wedding.

[Nick]

We did post it online.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah. And she did. She did steal that line. And then they go back to cousins. And it's where it all started, is where it Finishes and it's beautiful.

[Natalie]

What was what. What was this? I heard about, like, the other boys, like, random pop ups in Paris or something? It's like, fake.

[Victoria Fuller]

He was like, fake Jeremiah.

[Leia]

Yes. So they had Jeremiah go to Paris and they filmed a couple fake scenes to psych out the fans.

[Victoria Fuller]

I didn't know that. I've chosen Very smart.

[Justin]

I love that he's the hotter one.

[Natalie]

Like, they didn't actually film. They just made it seem like for fans, like, if they saw him filming in Paris and it was like, oh, yeah.

[Victoria Fuller]

Because obviously Conrad was there filming with Belly, so they had to, like, switch it up and not let anyone know what the ending was. So they brought Jeremiah too, which is smart.

[Leia]

Yeah, because people saw. People saw them filming. And so they posted like, BTS of.

[Nick]

Like, get into that.

[Susie Evans]

Conrad.

[Leia]

They posted BTS of Conrad and of. Of Jeremiah.

[Natalie]

So they psyched people out. I love it.

[Victoria Fuller]

And people solicit and found out that there was an intimacy coordinator in Paris. So we knew we were getting a sex scene.

[Nick]

They're going the whole mile.

[Victoria Fuller]

I have chills all over my body.

[Natalie]

There's a sex scene?

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Natalie's only watching the finale.

[Victoria Fuller]

Was.

[Natalie]

Was there nudity or was it, like, part nude? What'd you see?

[Victoria Fuller]

You saw her back? Yes, but can we talk about the. The one hand taking off the bra? I was like, okay, Conrad Fisher, practice.

[Leia]

The one hand taking off the bra. And then also in the car when they were making out, when he, like, puts his hand against the window to protect her head from hitting it.

[Nick]

Wait, wait, is that. Is that like. Like, are you guys excited about the one hand taking off a bra?

[Victoria Fuller]

It's just Conrad Fisher.

[Nick]

Doesn't, like, every guy do that?

[Victoria Fuller]

No.

[Nick]

Have you ever had a guy be bad at taking off a bra?

[Victoria Fuller]

No.

[Natalie]

Is that something that y', all, like, go to training camp for?

[Nick]

They're like, I definitely think it's. I don't know. I don't know what the boys are doing to In. In.

[Susie Evans]

Put it on a pillow and wait.

[Victoria Fuller]

Ladies, have you ever had a bra that clasps in the front and then had a guy just freak out trying to figure it out in the back? Yes.

[Natalie]

No. But that's so fun.

[Victoria Fuller]

I wish.

[Nick]

Yeah, it's the one where it's like a three finger, one hand. You just kind of.

[Chelsea Fry]

Right.

[Victoria Fuller]

And they zoomed in.

[Natalie]

Or if you're in a sports bra.

[Victoria Fuller]

So I think they wanted us to be like, oh, Conrad, wow.

[Mary]

See, I've never had, like, bra issues having sex because.

[Natalie]

Mary, are you good at the bra snap.

[Mary]

Yeah, yeah, I know how bras work.

[Susie Evans]

I've got years of practice.

[Mary]

Yeah, the thing with gab was, like.

[Nick]

Unlike Mary's, like, bet you wonder how I learned to do that.

[Justin]

Wait, wait, speaking of stomach, I saw, like, a viral clip of, like, people were clowning her for knowing how to speak fluent French after being there for, like, one day, right?

[Leia]

Well, yeah, because a lot. There's a lot of crossover between people who are watching Emily in Paris and also people who are watching the Summer I Turned Pretty and the fact that Emily's been in Paris for years and still can't say anything. And then you have Belly, who's been there for, like, maybe less than a year, and she's just speaking fluent French. Her birthday party was just, like, full of people. Like, more friends than I've made in my 30 years of life.

[Victoria Fuller]

It was iconic.

[Nick]

Emily is so basic. She's just, like, not.

[Victoria Fuller]

She's not conforming to the culture.

[Mary]

Emily is realistic. Belly is aspirational, right?

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh, true. Yeah.

[Nick]

American of her.

[Victoria Fuller]

Very American of her.

[Nick]

So entitled.

[Mary]

Okay, speaking of aspirational, did you guys see that Brittany Bateman did a cameo where she sings Addison Ray's Diet Pepsi?

[Victoria Fuller]

I did see.

[Nick]

Guys, how much does Brittany Bateman charge for cameos?

[Mary]

Probably not enough for this, but it's.

[Nick]

That's public knowledge. We should be able to look that up.

[Susie Evans]

$49.

[Mary]

$49.

[Natalie]

49. Masterpiece.

[Victoria Fuller]

Wow.

[Susie Evans]

You could book a business video for 299, though.

[Leia]

I know what I'm getting Mary for her birthday.

[Natalie]

Sorry, is she driving while filming?

[Victoria Fuller]

No, literally, it's. It's concerning, guys.

[Justin]

There was someone who posted a video, like, it was just a fan that was in, like, Salt Lake City and caught Jared Osmond and Brittany riding a bird together, like, sharing it. They were, like, in full on. Like, I saw that.

[Mary]

I saw that.

[Justin]

I saw that giant jacket, like, popping off of it.

[Susie Evans]

I need the scooter.

[Natalie]

She in the front or the back?

[Nick]

She was in the front.

[Justin]

And he was, like, one foot on.

[Victoria Fuller]

Like, first.

[Justin]

Yeah, he was one foot on. And people were saying, this is real journalism.

[Mary]

Yeah, it was real journalism.

[Nick]

You know, a couple riding a scooter is, like, the unofficial LA hookup vibe.

[Victoria Fuller]

How would you know that?

[Natalie]

How many scooters did you ride?

[Chelsea Fry]

How would you know?

[Mary]

Lime scooters.

[Susie Evans]

You heard me.

[Victoria Fuller]

How many? Yeah, how many lime scooters?

[Nick]

I lived in Venice for a period of time.

[Victoria Fuller]

Tell us. I want to know.

[Susie Evans]

Oh, my goodness. Who was it?

[Natalie]

I only wrote on it once, so.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh.

[Nick]

Then she got Some.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh.

[Natalie]

Well, maybe we need to switch to a queen size bed. I don't know.

[Susie Evans]

Did you Hear about Matthew McConaughey revealing that that is the secret to his 13 year marriage with his wife Camilla?

[Nick]

I respect it.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Listen, we were just in Vegas for that fight with Netflix, and they put us. And they were like, okay, so it's a room with two queen beds. And at first I was like, two queen beds?

[Victoria Fuller]

Like, really? That's all you have?

[Natalie]

You don't have a king? Like, a king feels sexy, you know?

[Nick]

Like, we were like, we're married.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah. Do you know who we are?

[Chelsea Fry]

We're married.

[Natalie]

We sleep.

[Victoria Fuller]

You guys sleep in, like, separate beds?

[Natalie]

No. Nick literally got there, he's like, you want the left or right?

[Victoria Fuller]

I love that. Yeah.

[Natalie]

But we ended up sleeping in one together. And honestly, you are in love. You're so. You're so much closer.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah, I like that, actually. I mean, I like it too.

[Susie Evans]

I don't think it's realistic, but, yeah, I could never.

[Nick]

I do like the Alps.

[Natalie]

She could never.

[Nick]

I like the option.

[Victoria Fuller]

Same.

[Susie Evans]

Like, anytime we've gone on an Airbnb, like, for like a friend's birthday or whatever, and we get the queen bed, I'm just like, Actually, you know what?

[Nick]

Hold. Stop the press. This just reminded me I had a dream about Brawn last night. What?

[Susie Evans]

Love that.

[Mary]

Tell more what happened.

[Nick]

It was like. I don't really. I'm literally remembering it in the moment, but I was at this party and it was like a party full of a bunch of people from my life. There are a couple people from high school there. I ran into Brawn was bartending. Oh, interesting.

[Natalie]

Allah. Well, that working.

[Nick]

And I feel like there was someone who I knew who was talking shit about Brawan, and I was like. Like I was defending our girl. That was it. I don't know. But she was.

[Natalie]

Was I there or no?

[Victoria Fuller]

Yes, she was for sure.

[Nick]

I'm 100%.

[Natalie]

I think I remember everyone from my life. Current wife wasn't there, so.

[Nick]

Of course you were there, sweetheart.

[Natalie]

Bronwyn, all the exes from high school.

[Susie Evans]

Was Andy Cohen there?

[Nick]

No, not that I remember.

[Susie Evans]

Well, because Andy Cohen's saying that he never wants to see Jen Shaw again.

[Natalie]

He did say that.

[Nick]

That's definitely giving. She's not coming back for other people. Like Justin, who keeps telling himself that she's going to come back the summer.

[Justin]

I mean, it's confirmed that I had a dream. It was confirmed. So it's happening.

[Susie Evans]

I couldn't be happier about it. To be honest. I don't think that she needs to have a platform.

[Victoria Fuller]

I agree.

[Susie Evans]

I hope she heals. I hope she's rehabilitated. I hope that she goes into an.

[Leia]

Honest line of work.

[Justin]

Did you see what her team posted from her Instagram?

[Susie Evans]

No, I have.

[Mary]

No, amazing.

[Justin]

Her team said from management, a respectful conversation has already been had with Bravo behind the scenes. And there are no hard feelings.

[Susie Evans]

Feelings getting ahead of the statement, AKA.

[Nick]

She'S not coming back to Bravo.

[Mary]

Huge news for Sierra and I.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Keep Salt Lake City fun again.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Nick]

Keep it safe. All right, well, it's time to get into a little housewives of O.C. but before we do, just a friendly reminder, we do have an amazing, amazing week lined up for you tomorrow for a very special Going Deeper. Teresa Giudice joins the show. This is an explosive episode. Obviously, we had so many questions about Teresa, One of the OGs of Just Housewives, period. Obviously, a lot of burning questions about her relationship with Bravo. Will she come back? Will she not? Obviously. Everything with her brother, her family, everything. Teresa spills all the tea. That is tomorrow. Yeah. She is on special forces with her daughter Gia.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And so obviously we talk about that as well.

[Leia]

Premiering this Thursday.

[Nick]

It's an episode you will not want to miss. Also on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap, we have Madison Pettis from the new Netflix hit movie the Wrong Paris, which is very like she's basically on the Bachelor. It's like a, it's a movie about a character who goes on a reality TV show. So for all you reality TV fans out there, you will definitely want to see that movie. And Madison Pettis, one of the stars of the movie, is with us for Thursday's Reality recap along with Chris Clemens. Return to the show. The hilarious Chris Clemens, who is a big fan and watching Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. He joins us as well, along with Alexia Napola from the Real Housewives of Miami. It's a jam packed week. A jam packed episode. That is all this week.

[Natalie]

And for all the people who want to share the reality TV hot takes, we have the Mint Mobile hotline. So if you want to hear us react to your flaming hot takes in a future episode of Reality Recap, all you have to do is call 1-855-MINT TLK or if you prefer the numbers, that's 855-646-8855 and leave us a voicemail. Again, just call 1-855-MINTTLK or 855-646-8855, and leave us a message. Now, if you missed the most recent episode of the Real Housewives of Orange county, here is your rapid recap. Shannon is still not sure if she can forgive Tamra, but down to hang in group settings where they're getting paid. Heather thinks her daddy issues are the reason she's friends with Tamara. Gretchen goes to the Pink Pony Club itself, the Abbey, which is crazy place to go if you have a history of being roofied. Emily's only storyline is still her son. The Bev Hills girls have a bougie sleepover. The Temecula girls bust out the dubrow joint and wear synchronized swimming hats with. With titty T shirts. Gina gets stoned and then tells Shannon she's worried about her drinking, which is maybe not the best thing to say if you're high. As Gretchen reveals, Slade has an audio recording of Tamara trying to make a pop song and also having sex. Emily is like, omg, why Slade so obsessed with Tamara? Gretchen also says she pays for everything in her relationship with Slade, and the ladies are curious about it, to say the least. Shannon reacts to her group trip limit with Tamara at breakfast. And speaking of breakfast, Emily wants her eggs over hard. Tamara brings up Shannon's dad's drinking problems on camera. Shannon snaps. Tamara calls Shannon an annoying bitch. And that's about it.

[Nick]

Question for the household. When a girly is the breadwinner in a relationship, why do we shame her for it? Like, why do the other ladies shame.

[Natalie]

I don't think it's about Gretchen being the breadwinner. I think it's deeper than that. I think. And Heather said this in her itm, she's like, why is he not on the mortgage? Like, why do we not want his name on anything? Why are you not legally married but you had a ceremony and you call each other husband and wife?

[Susie Evans]

Like, these are valid questions from season one. And then when he came back season three or four with Gretchen, he just. He's never had a job. He's always managed a housewife that's on the show. But it's like even his mom was on an episode being like, what? Like, you can't provide. Why would you propose to her?

[Victoria Fuller]

That's crazy.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah. So I'm like, he doesn't. We've never been clear with what Slade actually does. And this whole time that Gretchen was on the show, he was literally, like, setting up meetings and doing things for her. But even his mom was criticizing him not having a job. So I think it's fair, But I feel like they're just also bringing up an old storyline.

[Natalie]

So anytime Gretchen posts, like, brand deal, Slade, like, got that for her.

[Susie Evans]

I don't know if Slade got it for her. Like, that's what I'm saying. I don't know. I would assume that Gretchen has a legitimate team at this point.

[Victoria Fuller]

Right. He, like, you know, like, in the.

[Mary]

Beginning, maybe he's just her assistant. He, like, screens the emails.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

But I'm like, that's kind of like what their point was, was that it's like, he's not. He should be contributing if he lives there.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Did y' all see Nick's comment on Alexis?

[Nick]

I got bullied into being messy online.

[Natalie]

Alexis. Y'.

[Chelsea Fry]

All.

[Natalie]

Y' all know Alexis Waters from next season?

[Nick]

Yeah, Shark girl.

[Natalie]

I've met her. We've DM'd. She's lovely. We have, like, on It's. It's besties between the two of us. But she posted, like, a clip of last night of her at a rose ceremony being like, move, bitches. When Nick called her name. And then she put in the comments. Do you miss me at Nick? And Nick responded with no iconic.

[Victoria Fuller]

Honestly, that's really good.

[Natalie]

And Alexis responded with just the emoji that's like this. The jaw dropped.

[Victoria Fuller]

It was great.

[Nick]

That's awesome.

[Victoria Fuller]

I love that.

[Natalie]

Anyways, I think that that should have been Emily's response when that man asked to pick her up at the Abbey.

[Susie Evans]

They kept playing that clip over and over again. They wanted us to see that. I know, but I also have to call out Emily because Emily's coming for Katie this season about, like, talking to bloggers, being a fan right before they walked into the Abbey or something. She's. She goes, well, Gretchen perform tonight. And Gretchen did a Pussycat doll's performance in, like, or five. I'm like, Emily long before Emily was on the show. So you mean to tell me you went back and watched the entire show and you're not a fan?

[Mary]

Oh, clock it.

[Victoria Fuller]

That's all you say.

[Nick]

Which of the OC Housewives are. Are with men who have real jobs?

[Mary]

Heather, Gina.

[Natalie]

Shane has a real job.

[Victoria Fuller]

It doesn't.

[Nick]

Yeah, Shane, he's a lawyer. Right.

[Susie Evans]

Gina is real estate.

[Natalie]

Katie, Eddie has a real job, doesn't he, or.

[Nick]

No, I think Eddie does. Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

I don't know what Eddie does now because they closed down the gym.

[Justin]

They. A cbd.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh, the.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah, the gummies.

[Mary]

They're really good.

[Natalie]

Travis is doing the real estate with Gina.

[Chelsea Fry]

Right.

[Justin]

I feel like they all have jobs.

[Natalie]

Like, they all do Ryan, except Slade.

[Justin]

Well, he's bringing in the money.

[Susie Evans]

He has a hustle.

[Nick]

Slade, Ryan. And then what was last last season, Shannon's ex, Johnson.

[Susie Evans]

John Jansen. Did he have a real job suing housewives or facelifts?

[Justin]

Isn't. Wait, isn't Slay just doing what Jody with Lisa from Miami is doing, where he's just always there for all the business transactions.

[Susie Evans]

But it sounds Jody had, like, a real thing going, and if not, still does outside of managing Lisa. But I'm like, I don't know. I feel like if some people come into that role wanting to help out their partner, that's one.

[Nick]

What's Jody short for? I didn't know that Jody was a gender neutral name.

[Mary]

Jodothan.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I know. So I knew so many Jodies growing up.

[Nick]

Is that Southern thing?

[Natalie]

It's just Jody. I don't think it's short for anything.

[Victoria Fuller]

No, just Jody.

[Natalie]

Jodemaya.

[Justin]

Joseph.

[Susie Evans]

Just Jody.

[Justin]

Judith.

[Mary]

Judith.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh, Judith.

[Mary]

Judith can be a man's name.

[Natalie]

Judith. Anything can be a man's name.

[Mary]

Judah. Judah.

[Natalie]

It was honestly, like, overall, I think it was a little bit of a boring episode of O.C.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Justin]

I did love Gretchen playing Pillow Fight, though.

[Mary]

I like. I liked their little outfits.

[Susie Evans]

Well, and also, I think it also is just like a setup for what's happening, because it's like, there's no world in which Tamara and Gretchen are going to get along.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Justin]

How are we not talking about the fact that Gretchen slipped in the. She cheated on her husband while trying to record a song and then flipped it on Emily?

[Nick]

And also in the state of California, I'm pretty sure that's illegal.

[Susie Evans]

What happened?

[Nick]

Each state has different laws about being recorded without your knowledge.

[Natalie]

She was recording a song. She was, like, in the studio, like, hey, everyone. Like, she was recording a song.

[Nick]

Yeah, but if you're.

[Natalie]

I think it was definitely she knew she was being recorded if she was.

[Nick]

In a studio when she was having sex.

[Justin]

Oh, well, they said they forgot, but then it was unclear whether it was one recording or two recordings, so I guess that could also change the context. But.

[Susie Evans]

And the SoundCloud recording of Tamra is circulating around right now on the Internet.

[Nick]

See, that doesn't seem right. That does not seem okay.

[Susie Evans]

SoundCloud, it doesn't include. Yeah, it's on SoundCloud, but it doesn't include the post. Yeah.

[Nick]

Wait, so there's no song? It's just Tamra panting.

[Susie Evans]

No, no, it's Tamra's song. But they don't. The SoundCloud clip doesn't have whatever Slade said was at the end of it. So we don't hear that part. So even then, Slade could literally be making this up because he hates Tamra.

[Mary]

Why is Slade so obsessed with Tamara?

[Natalie]

Slade is mad that she keeps bringing Joe around, so he's trying to get her back.

[Susie Evans]

No, there's, like, they've had a lot. She's called him a deadbeat dad. They have a long running feud. But, like, there was an episode in a season passed where, like, Slade did an entire comedy show based around Vicky and Tamara and called Tamara the Michelin Man. Pulled up a photo of her in a bikini. Like, he's. He. They've really.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Like, it's very dark and gross. They're like, history.

[Justin]

Gretchen also said that's like, lost money and, like, business deals because of Tamara.

[Natalie]

Like, I hate to use this word, but it's giving. Vile.

[Susie Evans]

But even then, Teddy what got on her podcast and was saying that there's pretty. That Tamara had nothing to do with Slade not losing money because we don't even know what Slade does. How is he losing money?

[Justin]

Right.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah.

[Victoria Fuller]

What's your job?

[Nick]

Losing Gretchen's money.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

And then Gretchen the next morning being like, guys, I didn't say that. I don't. Don't bring it up. Like, yeah, like.

[Susie Evans]

And you know that you said that on camera and you're trying to get the other girls to act like you didn't say it when you know it's going to come out anyways. And that's why I'm saying, I just feel like these two people, no matter how many times they're going to sit down and have a talk or like a come to Jesus moment, they will always be at each other's throats ready to throw something because it's like a never ending feeling.

[Justin]

The Gretchen was crazy that morning after when they were in the whole Foods, like, massage chair thing. And then she just happened to be like, you guys are being mean.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fry]

You're picking on me.

[Susie Evans]

Like, you and she. Emily's like, I didn't force you to say anything.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Nick]

What's. What's your favorite massage position? Table.

[Susie Evans]

Face down on a table.

[Nick]

I love a chair.

[Victoria Fuller]

Really? Like a straddle.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah.

[Justin]

But chair is giving. Like, public. It's giving mall.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah.

[Justin]

On display.

[Nick]

Do not care.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Do not care. Airplane.

[Chelsea Fry]

You don't like to lay down.

[Nick]

I will. But you just plop right in that chair. And it's so, like, it's ergonomic or whatever.

[Natalie]

Ergonomic.

[Nick]

Ergonomic.

[Susie Evans]

Your shirt on.

[Nick]

I mean, like, I let them go Underneath. If they want to.

[Susie Evans]

Oh, my God.

[Chelsea Fry]

If they want.

[Nick]

As long as they ask nicely.

[Victoria Fuller]

You're never traveling alone.

[Natalie]

I'm never traveling alone.

[Nick]

I don't even care. I do not care.

[Justin]

When's the last time you actually did a chair massage, Nick?

[Nick]

In the airport in Vancouver.

[Natalie]

Every time we left Vancouver, he was.

[Nick]

Like, we gotta get there in time for me to get a chair massage.

[Justin]

And you're not afraid of the germs because you don't like. Like, theme parks.

[Nick]

I don't care. I don't care. If it's a man, it's a woman. I don't care.

[Natalie]

Germaphobe.

[Victoria Fuller]

He just closes his eyes.

[Susie Evans]

When you put your face in that thing, you're not thinking about who else's face has been in there.

[Nick]

They cleanse it. I don't know.

[Victoria Fuller]

It's called soap. Or line it with, like, a toilet seat cover.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

My Saran Wrap from home.

[Nick]

Oh, it's the best.

[Victoria Fuller]

I like to be on my back. And then when they do the clavicles, that's my fave. That's nice.

[Susie Evans]

And then, like, under the neck.

[Justin]

Under the neck.

[Natalie]

I think they need to focus more on your feet and hands.

[Victoria Fuller]

I agree.

[Nick]

I would like them to focus more on my chest.

[Victoria Fuller]

What is going on with you today?

[Nick]

My pectoral muscles are often tight. I'm not like, rub my titties.

[Natalie]

I wish they'd work on my dick more. Like, that's crazy thing to say. I will say the looks for Real House Fives of Miami reunion came out and they'd make anyone's dick hard. Everyone looked so good.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Speaking of Miami, I watched the Watch what Happens Live episode with Gretchen and Lisa. Did you and Larsa because. Well, for some reason, it was like. It was displayed as an episode of OC if you go to, like, Peacock and you go to all the episodes in OC, it's, like, listed. And I was like, okay, well, maybe. Maybe there's, like an Easter egg in there. I should watch it. It. First of all, it was just absolute bananas, the game they played. I don't watch a lot of what Watch what happens live. I know they play a lot of games, but they basically were like, guess the age of these housewives.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And it was essentially a game just, like, basically outing every Housewives age, which I thought was bananas.

[Victoria Fuller]

I don't love that. Also, it's like, people are gonna.

[Natalie]

Didn't they all get it wrong, too?

[Susie Evans]

They got it wrong. And they kept giving Larsa points even though she got him wrong too. But it was like.

[Natalie]

It was.

[Susie Evans]

It was roughly like someone like Ashley Darby, who I knew was, like, in her late 30s, and they were, like, 45. And I'm like, that's.

[Victoria Fuller]

Come on.

[Susie Evans]

You know, it's not so about getting the ones that are older, younger. It's the ones that are younger and guessing them older.

[Nick]

Well, it's all because of, obviously, the episode with adriana and turning 59.

[Chelsea Fry]

Right?

[Nick]

And the whole, like, the cake thing. Well, first of all, Adriana, she looks fire.

[Victoria Fuller]

She looks so good.

[Nick]

Lisa Barlow's 46.

[Justin]

Don't shade her.

[Natalie]

Have we got. We haven't gotten a teaser or anything from Reunion. We just got reunion looks.

[Justin]

Just reunion looks. But they look hot.

[Mary]

Look really hot.

[Nick]

Hot.

[Mary]

Gertie's hot.

[Justin]

Kiki's hot. Wait, they all.

[Natalie]

Great.

[Justin]

The fact that Julia might be behind the birthday cake with the age.

[Mary]

No, it's Kiki.

[Susie Evans]

It was Kiki.

[Justin]

It wasn't confirmed, was it?

[Victoria Fuller]

Kiki was like, it's me. I did it.

[Mary]

I thought it would be funny. She was trying to, like, do, like, a little joke, and it didn't land.

[Natalie]

Well, if you missed the most recent episode of the Real Housewives of Miami, here is your rapid recap. It's Art Basel week, which is the Miami super bowl of art. The art in question, Kiki's face card. Also, Larsa is moving to a $5.7 million house with a giant gummy bear the front. She also thinks Todd is going to bamboozle Alexia. Julia's daughters aren't coming to Christmas. Martina is grumpy. Very, very grumpy. Lisa wants Jody to propose because she doesn't like the word girlfriend. Jody wants Lisa to go to therapy before he does that. Adriana is still mad about her birthday cake and wants to find out who wrote 59 on it. It was Kiki. She wasn't trying to be mean. Stephanie thinks Marisol hates her, and she might be right, but also she might be wrong. One thing we do know, there is nothing tacky about Stephanie Sojay. Julia feels like Adriana is pushing her away and no fun anymore. Adriana then decides to tell everyone out of nowhere that she's not racist. Call back to wretched Ratchet gate. Kiki is like, I literally am not dealing with this right now. And dips. Adriana is mad at Julia for defending Kiki over her. Who knows where we'll go from here.

[Nick]

The hero of the episode, was it Carol? Was her name. Adriana's friend who was like, ratchet's for everybody.

[Justin]

The designer. Oh, yeah, she was saying wretched, though.

[Mary]

Wretched.

[Nick]

Yeah, whatever. She was the hero of the episode.

[Victoria Fuller]

I feel like everyone's confused on that.

[Justin]

Nobody knows the difference.

[Victoria Fuller]

I feel like everyone's confused, like, watching this show, it's like every time it comes out of their mouth, I'm like, I still don't know if she knows that there's two different words. Slash, what are people hearing? It feels very confusing.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Again with that accent. And she says a lot of words wrong that I'm just kind of like, for this to be the thing we're jumping down Adriana's throat.

[Mary]

That's hard.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Justin]

If I were Kiki, though, I would have also left.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Because it's like we're bringing this up again.

[Nick]

Was it Lisa talking to Stephanie about the plane again?

[Susie Evans]

Marisol. Marisol talking to Stephanie.

[Nick]

Turns out Marisol Bell's big reason why she wants to go on the plane is to poop on it.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah. She wants to break the rules.

[Nick]

I just like, private plan or not like that. Definitely not a goal of mine.

[Susie Evans]

Oh, we. I think you missed. In the after show, Stephanie tells us that she.

[Chelsea Fry]

Her.

[Susie Evans]

Her glam team, she makes them not eat for two days before they go on the plane so that they don't.

[Nick]

I respect that.

[Victoria Fuller]

Wait. Oh, my God.

[Susie Evans]

Starvation.

[Natalie]

She makes them not eat. I feel like.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah, she says, like, dumb.

[Nick]

I'm pretty sure that's not true, but I do appreciate she said that's what she says.

[Victoria Fuller]

But was that, like, one of the rules that you couldn't.

[Susie Evans]

You can't poop on the plane because the toilet paper. Yeah, she's like, some people know how to wipe, and some people use the entire roll, and that clogs up the toilet, and that's expensive to fix.

[Nick]

Imagine being midair and having a plumbing issue.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh, my gosh.

[Chelsea Fry]

Can we not?

[Nick]

Well, up next, Chelsea Fry joins the show. She's also a big fan of the Salt Lake City gals of Bravo. Lots to talk about with Chelsea, including her appearance in the new pitch show the Paper. That is up next. And following Chelsea, we have Mark Estes. You know him as the one of the Montana boys and former lover of Kristen Cavalieri. That was aggressive. Anyways, Chelsea's next.

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[Nick]

Chelsea welcome to the show.

[Chelsea Fry]

Thank you for having me.

[Nick]

We're so excited to have you. Absolutely loving you on the paper. It's become mine and Allie's, like, new kind of, like, going to bed show.

[Natalie]

Like, we get in the bed and we immediately put on the paper. It's so fun.

[Nick]

The Office was a show that we binged in bed.

[Natalie]

We did, like, Arrested Development.

[Nick]

We did Curb youb Enthusiasm, Seinfeld.

[Natalie]

You know, we did. We did all those, and now we're on the paper, and it's been so much fun. What was it like shooting this?

[Chelsea Fry]

It was a dream. I mean, I'm this. I grew up watching the Office, like, literally, probably from, like, the end of my high school years on. I mean, it was the show that I, like, binged on Sundays in my dorm room, hungover with all my friends. Like, it's just been, like, in my life for forever, so. So when I found out I was auditioning for it, like, I kind of knew it was in the world of the Office. I didn't totally. Oh, here comes my dog. Sorry, Jerry.

[Victoria Fuller]

Come on in.

[Chelsea Fry]

We have a big dog.

[Victoria Fuller]

Jerry Lee. You wanna come in?

[Nick]

Jerry Lee?

[Natalie]

We want Jerry Lee.

[Chelsea Fry]

This is Jerry Lee.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh, hi, Bubba. Hi.

[Chelsea Fry]

I knew he was gonna get back from his hike just in time.

[Victoria Fuller]

Look at him.

[Chelsea Fry]

There he is.

[Nick]

We got Jeff and Steve here.

[Chelsea Fry]

Jeff and Steve?

[Nick]

Yeah, that's Jeff. That's right here on the ground.

[Chelsea Fry]

Jeff. Steve and Jerry feel like they could get into a lot of trouble together.

[Nick]

They really could. They're just thick as thieves. Yeah.

[Chelsea Fry]

Anyway, yeah, so I found out. It was, like, when I was auditioning for it, it was kind of like, it's in the world of the Office. We didn't totally know what it was. I'm glad I did it, because once I knew it was the scariest thing ever. But then, you know, just realizing how amazing everybody from the original is and, you know, just everybody they got was so incredible, but in particular, Greg Daniels and Michael Coleman just made it feel so. Like, it's okay. You're allowed to be here. We're making our own thing.

[Nick]

Did you have a chance to talk with any of the actors from the original Office? Obviously, we know Oscar is in it. You know, he's the kind of the one thread between the Office and the paper. Paper. But just wondering. Yeah. If you had a chance to, like, just, you know, pick any brains of for the people who did the Office. Or is that something you just kind of wanted to keep separate and kind of have the paper be its own thing.

[Chelsea Fry]

Two things, definitely. One, kind of keep it separate and be like, we're not trying to do what they did. It's too perfect and iconic. And I would never want to, you know, be compared to it, like, you know, as like a one to one. But the first. First day, I think it was like a hair and makeup test, and it was Sabrina Donal and I in the hair and makeup trailer, and we were just, like, gabbing and, like, I had, like, you know, like, eye patches on whatever that we're figuring out our looks. And the trailer door opens and John Krasinski and Steve Carell walk in and we're all just like. It was just so. It was like 5am I was like, what? No, please don't do this. It was like, literally, like, nightmare. I just, like, look inside. And they were shooting a commercial on the lot and they both worked with Donal and adore him and just came in and surprised us and were so sweet. It was insane. Like, literally couldn't have been nicer. And, you know, they. They. We told them we were like, we're so nervous. Like, we just don't want to be compared to what you did. And they both were just saying, like, they went through the exact same thing with the office, it being, you know, rebuilding boot of the UK office and how you kind of just have to let it be your own thing. And then John kept, like, asking me.

[Natalie]

He'S like, what do you put in your desk?

[Chelsea Fry]

Like, you have to, like, put, like, fun things, like, in your desk. And I hadn't even thought about that yet. And I was like, oh, that's a good idea. And you do. You get to, like, put so many fun little things in there that you can, like, keep.

[Natalie]

What did you put in yours?

[Chelsea Fry]

I put food, which then I did get in trouble for because Universal has, like, a raccoon problem. Oh. Which I didn't know.

[Nick]

Of course I do.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yes.

[Nick]

Yes. Yeah. How did you not know that already, Chelsea?

[Chelsea Fry]

I know, I know, and I. I apologize. And literally, they, like. I remember, like, I was so excited. Like, put, like, all, like, my favorite snacks. Like, I, like, stole from Crafty and, like, put them in there, because you don't. That is, like, the one kind of cool thing about the show is, like, you don't. You kind of just are working at a desk all day. Like, you don't leave a lot because you're in the background of so many scenes. So I, like, filled it up with, like, all my favorite snacks and Then like, I remember Monday morning, they were like, no more food on set. There's raccoons. I was like, that wasn't me who did.

[Natalie]

Like, it's Joe's fault. He told me to put things in my.

[Chelsea Fry]

Exactly, yeah. And you have to have Internet on your computer. That is something they told me to make sure I had and I did, and it was crucial.

[Nick]

Oh, so like, while people are doing scenes, you're out there just like doom scrolling.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chelsea Fry]

I'm just like, I'm on Etsy. I'm on Revolve. You know, I'm just like. Well, because he told me that Jenna Fisher used to answer fan mail. Like, she would like, literally be on her computer, like on MySpace answering fan mail. And we obviously didn't have fans, so I was like, I'm not gonna go look for. Look for our non existent fans. But no, it was like, you can kind of just get stuff done while you're on there, which is kind of fun.

[Natalie]

How did you find out the news that you were renewed for a second season before the first even came out?

[Chelsea Fry]

I woke up late. I think we had some press thing the night before, and I remember I woke up to a bunch. It was, you know what, it was actually night the embargo was lifting on reviews. You kind of like, know when those are coming out. And I think we're all really nervous and, you know, again, like, so proud of the show, just scared of the comparisons to what came before. And I remember Jodal and I were like, texting like late that night before, being like, you know, whatever happens, I've had so much fun. Like, we've had a great time and we're so proud of what we did. And then I woke up to a bunch of congratulations and I was like, what happened? And we're renewed. So that's how I found out.

[Nick]

How has the response been now that the show is out and people are really enjoying it? Is it. Do you or do you feel like it's. People are kind of gradually getting into it more?

[Chelsea Fry]

It's been overwhelming. It's been really so great. And I think it's just, you know, we shot it like over a year ago, so it's cool to kind of like revisit it and see what people are responding to and things like, I don't even remember and. And yeah, it's been really, really cool.

[Nick]

You guys are like a reality TV couple who found love on TV and had to hide their relationship for an entire year before they could tell people that they were in Love?

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah, kind of a little bit. Well, yeah. And that was the other thing. It's, like, very not wanting people to know anything. Even, like, Oscar, he would be on set and it was kind of hidden for, like, six months, and then it got leaked. But I remember, like, he would, like, walk out and universal trams would, like, pass our line, and I would just, like, kind of, like, get in front of him. He was, you know, you just didn't want people, like, spoiling anything. But, yeah, it's been. It's been so, so fun for people to kind of meet all these characters.

[Natalie]

Is it true that you're, like, obsessed with Pilates?

[Chelsea Fry]

I mean, it is kind of true. I do love Pilates.

[Natalie]

Well, it's girlies here. Well. And I do have to just, like, talk to you about something, because. Have you ever been. And you're probably the Victoria in this story, so I'm gonna tread lightly.

[Victoria Fuller]

I'm Victoria.

[Nick]

Okay?

[Natalie]

This is my best friend, Victoria. She's an everydayer.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yes, sure, sure. Okay.

[Natalie]

You know the type. So she was like, come to Pilates with me. Like, it's so fun. It'll be so chic. We'll get, like, a coffee after. It'll be so cute. So I went with her, right? I did. We got, obviously, reformers next to each other.

[Victoria Fuller]

Of course.

[Natalie]

Of course. As you do. And we're going, we're going. And I'm, like, feeling kind of good, you know? I'm like, okay. I feel like I'm, you know, kind of easy. And then we really get into it, and the instructor's like, you know, she's like, keep dipping. Keep dipp. Dipping.

[Chelsea Fry]

And lower, lower, lower.

[Natalie]

I'm like, I can't get any lower than this. And I look to Victoria, and she's like, what's wrong? And she's, like, not even breathing heavy. Like, just absolutely nightmare, right? Nightmare. Okay?

[Chelsea Fry]

Nightmare.

[Natalie]

So I will never be returning to this Pilates studio with her. Because it was like, I don't need that.

[Victoria Fuller]

No.

[Chelsea Fry]

Well, here's what. Here's what I'll tell you.

[Victoria Fuller]

Okay?

[Chelsea Fry]

I would. I would never do Pilates with somebody else. You cannot. You cannot do that.

[Victoria Fuller]

You can't do that.

[Chelsea Fry]

That's like rule one of Pilates. I have had.

[Victoria Fuller]

It's actually. It's so true.

[Chelsea Fry]

No, I have. Yeah. My Pilates instructor, Caroline Citelli, she's amazing. In la, we met somebody, like, hooked me up with her at the beginning of the Pandemic. They were like, oh. She's doing online classes. It has now been five years since 2020, we do Pilates together. Like, at least a few. I probably do it, like, two to three times a week when I'm being good. Yeah. Like, the past couple weeks, I've been like, what? She's like, where did you go? I was like, I will be back soon. But we have now done Pilates together, like, two to three times a week. And you get so close. Like, I don't know if, like, personal trainer. I've never done that before. Like, you get so close with them. Like, you talk about everything. We have never met in person. Like, I'm not kidding. I. I've been with her through her marriage, her. Now they have a baby. Like, we have. Like, I have moved.

[Victoria Fuller]

Moved.

[Chelsea Fry]

So much has happened in our lives, and we have never met in person.

[Victoria Fuller]

That's kind of insane.

[Chelsea Fry]

And we, like, joke. We're like, you're my best friend, but, like, if I ever saw you in person, I think I'd scream around and.

[Victoria Fuller]

Rock the other direction.

[Nick]

Would you even stop to say?

[Chelsea Fry]

We were, like, supposed to meet once, and we, like, canceled it. We, like, got too nervous. It's, like, the weirdest. It's, like, crazy.

[Nick]

You're like, what if you're not real?

[Chelsea Fry]

And she told me the other day, she's like, how tall are you? And I was like, I'm like, I'm tall. I'm, like, 5 8. And she's like, I'm 5 4. I was like, that is what. Like, I thought. He was, like, my same height. Like, I'm gonna meet you and be towering. It's just. I'm just.

[Nick]

You guys are talking as if, like, you couldn't possibly be friends in the real world.

[Chelsea Fry]

We also used to live two blocks from each other up until, like, two years ago. Literally lived a few blocks.

[Natalie]

You find out she's just AI.

[Chelsea Fry]

That's what I'm scared of. She knows all my secrets.

[Nick]

So when you're. When you're not being an actor and honing on your craft, rumor on the street is you watch Little Housewives.

[Chelsea Fry]

I do watch Little Housewives. Wives.

[Natalie]

What's your favorite?

[Chelsea Fry]

So I am really, like, only. And let me just say this, by the way, because I'm. I'm. I'm not like, the biggest reality TV person. When I, like, you know, I've just. This is like, my first kind of, like, press tour, Whatever. When my friends found out I was going on the Bio Files, brains, they.

[Susie Evans]

Were like, you made it. You made, like.

[Chelsea Fry]

So let me just say, like, this is huge for. This is huge club for me, with all my friends.

[Victoria Fuller]

Friends.

[Natalie]

Shout out friends.

[Chelsea Fry]

Shout out my friends. I meant to say that earlier, but anyway, yes. I really. I'm only really watching Salt Lake City, which, in my opinion, is. I mean, the best.

[Susie Evans]

It's enough.

[Victoria Fuller]

It's enough.

[Natalie]

It's more than enough for me.

[Nick]

Like some of the other franchise, it's labor, and this is a labor of love for Salt Lake City. For me.

[Natalie]

If.

[Chelsea Fry]

Okay, if you were gonna. If I was gonna to introduce one other one into my. Into my canon, what. Which one would you suggest?

[Natalie]

I would probably say O.C.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fry]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Oh, Atlanta is also really good, though.

[Chelsea Fry]

I think I watched, like, the first season of Atlanta and then a long.

[Justin]

Long time ago, watch Dubai. It's only two seasons o Dubai.

[Victoria Fuller]

That sounds good.

[Susie Evans]

I'm like, Orange county, you got a lot, a lot to watch, and it's pretty insane because it goes back so far. I'd also say if you like Salt Lake City, I don't know, early Miami is fun.

[Justin]

Or ultimate girls trip and decide who you like from those seasons.

[Susie Evans]

That's the best way to do it.

[Chelsea Fry]

Do the ultimate. I'm literally writing this down. Ultimate girl story.

[Natalie]

And then pick your favorite housewife and watch their season.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Chelsea Fry]

Okay. Amazing.

[Victoria Fuller]

Amazing.

[Susie Evans]

That's genius, Justin.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah, I'm. I'm finishing up season five right now because I need to catch up to season six of Salt Lake. And I just watched Meredith's Bat Mitzvah, which was a very special day for Mary. Banging on the glass was, like, maybe my favorite thing I.

[Natalie]

Do you feel like Brittany Bateman deserves a snack? Snowflake?

[Chelsea Fry]

I'm not sure yet.

[Victoria Fuller]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fry]

I'm not sure. I'm like, I'm liking the. The energy she's bringing. Does she get one in season six? I don't know.

[Natalie]

Still friend of.

[Nick]

Maybe. It's just like, them, the producers being evil geniuses. Because Britney does seem like the type if you. If you really keep her motivated. She'll keep giving.

[Chelsea Fry]

She will keep giving.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah. She might get lazy if you give her a snowflake.

[Chelsea Fry]

Sure. I'm interested to see if, like, I'm like, I almost don't want you to give it away. Like, what's up with her and Jared Osmond? I don't like. I'm kind of, like, trying to stay where I'm at so I can then honest.

[Natalie]

I think it's still up for debate. They were just seen on a lime scooter together, so.

[Nick]

No.

[Chelsea Fry]

To be on a lime scooter together, that's the ultimate dumois. If I'm ever on a lime scooter.

[Victoria Fuller]

On Dupont, like, literally, that's Turn my house down, please.

[Susie Evans]

Truly.

[Natalie]

Chelsea Fries seen on lime scooter with Michael Delight, Jared with Jerry Lee with Jared Austin. It's crazy.

[Chelsea Fry]

Wow. Have you guys ever ridden a lime scooter together?

[Natalie]

Did we?

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah. We just talked about this. Nick was like, if you. Would you say you definitely were hooking up?

[Nick]

If you're in Venice and you see a guy and a girl on a. On a scooter, it's. It's probably a first date and they're definitely hooking up.

[Chelsea Fry]

That is so true.

[Victoria Fuller]

It's a lot of trust.

[Chelsea Fry]

I can confirm that. Living in Venice, lot a lot, a lot of sexual attention on those lime scooters.

[Natalie]

Which housewife do you feel like from Salt Lake City would do best in the paper unit universe?

[Chelsea Fry]

My God, Honestly, Brittany, you know, I feel like I can see a face off between Mary and Esmeralda in a really exciting way.

[Natalie]

So good.

[Victoria Fuller]

That's so good.

[Nick]

Like, yeah, Mary would absolutely just, like, read Esmeralda and, like, say something really off putting about, like, her fashion or something.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yes, yes. I see them. Like, I see their fat. Like, yeah, that. Those two going head to head seems very, very fun for me. Wow, that's a fun idea idea, isn't it? We gotta pitch that.

[Susie Evans]

That's a second season.

[Chelsea Fry]

Two in the room, please.

[Natalie]

Get Mary in there immediately.

[Nick]

Well, yeah, that's funny because Als Morales character was based off of, like, someone who was, what, naked in her. What was she allegedly on? She was like, oh, married at first sight.

[Natalie]

Married at first sight.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yes, yes. Or Farmer wants a wife. No, I think married at first sight.

[Nick]

Yeah, one of the. One of those shows.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I do want to see some more crossover. Well, because you're the paper. You guys are on peacocks. You. Maybe we will get some, like, Housewives Bravo crossover.

[Chelsea Fry]

You would think. Wouldn't that be the dream?

[Nick]

Like, it'd be kind of great, like, if all of a sudden you guys were at work and all of a sudden you're, you know, you're on a.

[Natalie]

Lunch break and like, they're filming Real Housewives or something.

[Nick]

Yes. They're filming across the street. Yes.

[Chelsea Fry]

Don't even.

[Natalie]

Esmeralda is like, oh, my God, this is my moment. And she, like, you know, she's like.

[Nick]

I'm one of you guys.

[Chelsea Fry]

It makes sense with her because, like.

[Natalie]

That'S where it's writing itself, people.

[Victoria Fuller]

And you're welcome. Get on board.

[Natalie]

Do we have a Game, Mary.

[Chelsea Fry]

We do.

[Mary]

Oh, we do have a little game.

[Chelsea Fry]

What's the game?

[Mary]

Okay.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Mary]

Welcome to the game of all games. It's called not safe for work. And it's some like rapid fire, you know, office related questions. So we're gonna ask you. Chelsea, are you ready?

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Okay, great.

[Natalie]

What is your biggest ick for a co worker?

[Chelsea Fry]

Biggest ick for a co worker? Somebody loud. Loud. We used to get so mad. Alex Edelman like literally had this. I don't even know what it's called. He just like thought it was funny to have like the loudest toys ever on his desk. And he would like, it would be like a marble that would like clink, like clink, clink, clink, clink. And like once you put it in, it would go for like 10 minutes and it was like. We were all like, oh, that's funny at first, Alex. And then we were like, if you.

[Victoria Fuller]

Do that again, I'll kill you.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah, be quiet.

[Natalie]

What is the most annoying thing you've ever had a co worker do?

[Chelsea Fry]

I had. Okay, so I like worked at a startup like in New York a million years ago where I like ran a front desk at like this work place.

[Nick]

It was like we like director of first impressions.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And I'm worst one ever. So they. I remember my boss came in and.

[Victoria Fuller]

She was like, hi, Chelsea. I was like, more morning.

[Chelsea Fry]

And we had to. I had to get up like 5am and like set up the space, whatever. She goes and sits like, I'm not kidding, five feet away from me and slacks me and is like, hey, Chelsea, smiley face. So you've mainly been doing a really good job, but we'd appreciate it if you could stop wearing your pajamas to work. Like, we'd like for like people to like look a little like nicer when like they, you know, you are the front of house. I was like, is she kidding? And then I looked. I remember like literally looking down, being like, honestly, she has a fair point. Like, I couldn't. I like literally was in full sweatpants.

[Nick]

But the fact that she said hi, couldn't tell you in person. Went to slack to message.

[Chelsea Fry]

Well, that's what I mean. I'm like, that was the. That's why it was so annoying. It was like, just say it to me. Say it. Say it to my face.

[Natalie]

Like, you can see her. You can see her writing to you.

[Nick]

You're like, hello, that would be a great paper. She scene. That would be.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah, that's a scene.

[Natalie]

Which email sign off feels the most passive aggressive to you best.

[Chelsea Fry]

I was just about to say I. I don't like best.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I feel like warm regard.

[Victoria Fuller]

Warm regard.

[Natalie]

I would.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh, I hate it. Warm regard.

[Nick]

Anything abbreviated warm.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yes, it's. It's giving cold. What do you guys sign off with?

[Susie Evans]

Yeah, like, I thought best was.

[Victoria Fuller]

I do. Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Oh, my God.

[Victoria Fuller]

I use best all the time. Oh, my God.

[Natalie]

I'm.

[Victoria Fuller]

I'm a. Thanks.

[Nick]

Mine is. Is this. Even when I'm on a laptop, It's. This was sent from an iPhone. Sorry for my typos.

[Victoria Fuller]

It's actually genius.

[Susie Evans]

He said I'm on the go.

[Chelsea Fry]

I like that. I feel like I'm too, like, I'm like, xoxoxo love you so much. Like, I get like, so stressed.

[Victoria Fuller]

You're having the best day ever.

[Chelsea Fry]

Like, think I like, love them. And it's like, way too. It's just like, weird.

[Natalie]

I definitely send way too many exclamation points.

[Chelsea Fry]

Like, no worries. If not.

[Victoria Fuller]

Same.

[Mary]

I won't send an email with per your request request. And the person I emailed got really mad at me. I could tell via email.

[Nick]

I could tell the energy request is very like, that's direct.

[Victoria Fuller]

I was being a.

[Susie Evans]

It's. I don't want to do this, but because you asked here.

[Chelsea Fry]

Oh, I get it.

[Mary]

It was per your request.

[Chelsea Fry]

Just don't get a lot of per year. Like, I'm like, what? Yeah, I'm like, yeah, per year emailing.

[Nick]

You for fun.

[Natalie]

To say that I had to write my emails today. Would you rather deal with the loud chewer or the oversharer in the cupboard cubicle next to you?

[Chelsea Fry]

Overshare.

[Natalie]

That's, you know, overshare is fun. Like, give me all the tea in your life.

[Victoria Fuller]

True.

[Susie Evans]

There's stuff to go home with.

[Chelsea Fry]

We would get like, so bored on not. I mean, we were. We were working, but it was like, there's so much downtime because you're always just like shooting different scenes. And my favorite days were when, like, Oscar would just come over to my desk and he like, we would like, pretend to be like, working in the back of a scene and we would just like, gossip for hours.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God, that's so fun. If your character had to write an opinion column, what would it be about?

[Chelsea Fry]

I feel like a really durable shoe. I feel like she'd be like, very excited about, like, like a shoe that, you know, is good for hiking, good for day to day, doesn't get worn down. I feel like she likes very practical.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Fashion pieces. Waterproof, good for hikes, good for city slickers.

[Chelsea Fry]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Which buzzword or corporate jargon phrase instantly makes you cringe?

[Chelsea Fry]

I've been hearing. Okay, I don't even know what this means, but have you been hearing about, like, the verticals or whatever? I sound like such an idiot.

[Victoria Fuller]

No. What is it? I don't know. Keep going.

[Chelsea Fry]

Am I making this up? Don't make me keep going.

[Nick]

No, like your category. I. I come from corporate America.

[Natalie]

What's the verticals like?

[Nick]

Your segment, like your, Your team, like.

[Chelsea Fry]

Your, like, vertical integration or something?

[Victoria Fuller]

What is it talking about?

[Mary]

Is it like there's so many different types of integration you guys.

[Nick]

Well, isn't that like you're. You're like. Like marketing would be one vertical and. And right. Or am I wrong?

[Chelsea Fry]

Sure. I'm telling you. I don't know. But I like, I hear vertical integration and my eyes.

[Natalie]

And you're out.

[Susie Evans]

It's a business strategy where a company gains control over multiple stages of its production and distribution process rather than relying on external suppliers and buyers.

[Chelsea Fry]

Genius.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fry]

I should be a CEO.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Mary]

All I know about vertical integration is they talked about it in 30 Rock and I was like, I know better business.

[Natalie]

If you were in Entertainment, what 9 to 5 job would you be at?

[Chelsea Fry]

Anywhere I could have a label maker. I like, do love.

[Natalie]

So fun.

[Chelsea Fry]

I love organizing things. I love. Yeah, I'm a scrapbook. Not scrap. Scrapbooking, not scrapbook.

[Victoria Fuller]

Nobody has time for that.

[Chelsea Fry]

It's so funny you say that though, because, like, I did used to scrapbook when I was like, a kid.

[Victoria Fuller]

Oh, we.

[Chelsea Fry]

We've lost that art form, haven't we?

[Natalie]

You could bring it back.

[Chelsea Fry]

I could bring it right on back. But yeah, I just like, I like, I love the idea. Yeah. My. My mom was a secretary at a construction company for like 30 years and like, she just is so good at, like, files and get like, every. And I was that. I would love that.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Nick]

And that wraps up the game.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Chelsea Fry]

Did I win the game?

[Natalie]

You won.

[Victoria Fuller]

You won.

[Nick]

Chelsea, this has been so much fun. It was an honor to have you. We're loving you on the paper. Can't wait for season two. And also just really excited to see where this takes your career. Big things ahead for you for sure. Where can people find you, follow you any you want to plug, promote any of that fun stuff other than the paper?

[Chelsea Fry]

Chelsea Fry, Cross the board. I think I just haven't. I think I just have an Instagram.

[Nick]

F R E. I. I'm not.

[Chelsea Fry]

I'm not great at socials, but yes, I'm On Instagram. No. Thank you guys. This is like, as I said, big clout for me in my friend group. So thank you guys so much.

[Natalie]

Well, come back, please.

[Chelsea Fry]

I would love to.

[Nick]

Well, anytime you want to talk, if you're watching Salt Lake City and you want to come back and I will share your hot takes, just please reach out.

[Chelsea Fry]

Thanks. Thank you guys so much.

[Natalie]

Bye.

[Chelsea Fry]

Jerry. Jerry.

[Nick]

He's like, take me for a walk.

[Victoria Fuller]

Okay.

[Chelsea Fry]

Thank you guys. Bye.

[Nick]

So much fun.

[Victoria Fuller]

She's great. I really like her. I feel like she's one of those people who like. Cuz she said the pilates thing where like you would see her in LA and she'd just like avoid you guys, like not make eye contact, like. Right.

[Nick]

Because we talked to her virtually.

[Victoria Fuller]

So.

[Mary]

So true.

[Victoria Fuller]

I actually appreciate those people sometimes though. Yeah. When you're out and you're like, oh, gosh, I also didn't want to say hi, so.

[Natalie]

So, yeah. And you're like, thank God you acted like you didn't see me too.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah. Love when that happens.

[Leia]

That's the best.

[Mary]

It's like I don't see any of you in person.

[Chelsea Fry]

I.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Susie Evans]

And it wasn't planned.

[Leia]

When we decide to mutually ignore each other.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yes. We're minding our own business. You know, me and Natalie just see each other out. We just like, don't make eye contact.

[Nick]

Well, speaking of minding your own business, we definitely don't do that with our next guest estas because he used to date Kristen Cavalieri.

[Victoria Fuller]

So we've heard.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Victoria Fuller]

I feel like you've a thousand times. Literally.

[Natalie]

Like, he does have more to him than that.

[Nick]

Of course. But our audience, like, listen, know your audience.

[Victoria Fuller]

Know your audience.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Susie Evans]

Also, shout out to the Montana boys.

[Nick]

But Marcus n making a name for himself. He's on the new season of special Forces and he's doing tiktoks with the rest of the Montana boys. He's hot. Let's just be. I mean, we. We got to meet him in person and he was sexy.

[Victoria Fuller]

Okay.

[Natalie]

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[Nick]

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[Nick]

Mark, welcome to the show.

[Mark Estes]

Thanks for having me guys.

[Nick]

We're excited to have you man. My fellow special forces recruit. Hell yeah.

[Mark Estes]

Here go we we go.

[Nick]

We'll definitely talk some special forces but we want to get to know you a little bit more. Obviously you made some waves. I don't know how long, how long have you been famous? I guess when did the Montana boys really pop on TikTok.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, famous is a crazy word.

[Nick]

I'll call you famous. You don't have to call yourself what is famous days but people know who you are outside of like your family, you know.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah. We started back in college probably two and a half years ago.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Mark Estes]

And it wasn't really like popping off at first. Like, we'd post maybe like once a month and, you know, it would go. But we didn't really care because we still had to graduate school and we're playing football. And then it was our senior year, so that was about a year and a half ago. We started taking it pretty serious and posting more. And then that was kind of like our long term goal is when we graduate, we're just gonna hop in a truck and drive down the Nashville and see what we can do.

[Natalie]

Was there one of y' all in particular who was like, I feel like this, this could be bigger than what we're making it. We need to, like, hunker down.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, honestly, it was. It was Caleb and Kade, honestly, that were especially Cade. He was like, he really wanted. Yeah, I just had.

[Natalie]

It was like, everyone love me.

[Susie Evans]

What now? Okay.

[Nick]

Yeah. I was like, so wait, are you living in Nashville?

[Mark Estes]

Actually, I just. I was there for the year and a. For the last year and a half, but I just moved out. I'm building a house with my brother in Montana and then I float here with my girlfriend. So I lost my Virginia.

[Nick]

Need a girl from Montana.

[Natalie]

Did you really love her?

[Susie Evans]

And girlfriend?

[Victoria Fuller]

Hello.

[Mark Estes]

Where is she from?

[Nick]

Bozeman? No, Missoula. Missoula, Montana?

[Mark Estes]

No, Missoula, Montana.

[Victoria Fuller]

Shout out.

[Natalie]

You got him at his prime. It's been downhill since then.

[Mark Estes]

That's funny, actually.

[Victoria Fuller]

That's crazy.

[Natalie]

So you're currently dating Summer Rae. Yes, you are. Do you realize, I don't know if you were in the wave of Sommer Rae when Sommer Rae was, like, waving, but do you realize how iconic she is?

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, I do.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, I understand the magnitude of her for sure.

[Nick]

Is your master plan to. And I say this with all jokes just to date. You know, you're. You're. You've become famous, but you're like, I'm going to date women more famous than me? Because. Is that a way to, like, humble yourself?

[Mark Estes]

I don't know if that's my master plan, but just kind of how it worked out, I guess.

[Nick]

I.

[Mark Estes]

We just met Stagecoach and the sparks were flying and so we just kept rolling with it.

[Nick]

Who noticed? Who? Like, was it like, oh, that's Summer Ray, or was she like, oh, that's.

[Mark Estes]

Oh, I DM her. Before you slid in the DMs. Yeah, like, that's how we met. Oh, no, no.

[Nick]

What was your line?

[Mark Estes]

I don't remember. Honestly, I might have to.

[Nick]

We can look it up.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I'm sure you have to scroll.

[Victoria Fuller]

A long ways back.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah. Let's see.

[Natalie]

Be here scrolling. See, you had DM'd her and y' all chatted before Stagecoach. And then at Stagecoach, you actually.

[Nick]

It's like, kind of like, hey, are you going to St. Coach? I'm going to Stagecoach, Right?

[Mark Estes]

Yeah. And then it was funny, though, because we were actually staying at, you know, like, the brands do, like, a big house with people, and we're actually staying at the same one.

[Natalie]

So it worked out, like, just happens to.

[Nick]

Shut up, Patron. Okay.

[Mark Estes]

I said you're something else with, like, the.

[Victoria Fuller]

It's kind of like.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's what my wife was like.

[Natalie]

You'Re on your own real.

[Nick]

You don't have to overthink it. You just basically say something nice, you know?

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Nick]

What? Like when. Like, what is a Montana of boy? Like, is it.

[Mark Estes]

It's starting to change a lot. But at first it was definitely just, they're strapping on Tick Tock, you know, with like, three songs. That's all we had in our. In our belt.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Natalie]

There's a lot of, like, people who, like, try to copy, you know, or mock you guys. You know, y' all are a little like the. I think it was. I'm one number away. Maybe that was like, one of y' all songs that everyone kind of started, like, doing. The Montana Boys, like, walk up and sing and, like, circle around or whatever. Did y'.

[Nick]

All.

[Natalie]

Was that just something that, like, happened? You know, we're like, let's just.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, that's something that just. We were.

[Natalie]

You're like, I'm gonna sing this part. You get that part.

[Mark Estes]

And then it just went. And then we just kept doing it and.

[Nick]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Mark Estes]

It's crazy, honestly, because it's not like it's a dance. People say it's like a dance, but it's really not. We're just like.

[Susie Evans]

It's really.

[Natalie]

It's just a little lip thing.

[Victoria Fuller]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Finger like a hot men. Just kind of.

[Susie Evans]

Whose idea was it to thirst trap.

[Victoria Fuller]

To, like, sad song.

[Nick]

That.

[Susie Evans]

I don't know.

[Mark Estes]

We were country. Country kids, so we just love country music and.

[Nick]

I don't know. As a college football fan, I couldn't help but notice that Alabama had a tough opening week. And then I saw some clips of some of the football players from various college football teams. These D1 athletes, they were doing what seemed to be some Montana boys.

[Mark Estes]

Were they really Tik Toks?

[Nick]

And people seemed to be frustrated. It's just like men used to go to war. Yeah. It's like, you know, this is why you're losing 40 to 13. Does it seem like you're hard in it? Do you guys feel like you've changed college football?

[Natalie]

Do you feel like you're responsible for.

[Nick]

Alabama for the fall of Alabama?

[Mark Estes]

I'd like to think so.

[Nick]

I like to think, honestly, I'm not.

[Mark Estes]

A Tide fan, so I'd like to think that. But that is funny.

[Nick]

Poor Eagle.

[Natalie]

Yeah, poor Eagle.

[Mark Estes]

I think that was nil, though, probably, if I had to really think about it.

[Natalie]

Okay, so I feel like we have to, obviously, get into Kristin Cavallari. That was. I mean, I know in all respect to Sommeire, of course, but we have to. I feel like we have to dive into that a little bit. Did you all meet the same way on social media?

[Mark Estes]

Yes.

[Natalie]

Okay.

[Mark Estes]

I'm gonna not talk a lot about it, but just because. Because just to be respectful to my girlfriend, that's how I'm gonna come apart, like, with questions with it. But I will speak a little bit.

[Natalie]

I feel like the most respectful thing you could answer is how y' all broke up. I'm saying, why'd you break up? Led you to Summer?

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, I just wasn't. We're in different times of our lives, obviously, different points in our lives, I guess, and it just wasn't adding up, and it was just time to do it.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Okay. Time to do it. And so then. And then Special forces contacts you, and.

[Mark Estes]

They'Re like, hey, they Special Forces? Actually, that was. They contacted me, like, in May, and so I only had, like, two weeks to get ready for it.

[Natalie]

Oh, wow. It's kind of like how you did.

[Nick]

Yeah. Were you an immediate, yes, I want to do this, or, like, what. What was your opinion of it or what? What did you know about it before you got the call?

[Mark Estes]

I knew. I Decent. Decent about it. Honestly, I was. I know Dwight Howard pretty well, and so he was on the first season, I believe. And so I talked to him. It's crazy. He told me that's something I should do and I should go on it. And then, yeah, that. That call came through, and my agent asked me, and I was pretty pumped, honestly.

[Natalie]

How are you Pretty close with Dwight Howard? Did that friendship come about?

[Mark Estes]

We. Yeah, it's kind of random. We were actually on a show together.

[Nick]

What was the show?

[Mark Estes]

I don't know if I'm allowed to talk about it, really.

[Nick]

Is it not out yet?

[Mark Estes]

It's not out yet.

[Natalie]

Will it ever be out?

[Mark Estes]

It's about to. Yeah, it's about to be out in, like, the next couple weeks.

[Nick]

Okay. So look for another show that Marco's on with Dwight Howard booked and busy. Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Had you seen Special Forces before you signed up?

[Mark Estes]

I have, yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Okay.

[Mark Estes]

I watched the first season. I remember watching it.

[Nick]

Not the second.

[Mark Estes]

I watched a little bit of it.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mark Estes]

I just didn't have time to watch all of it, but I did watch a little bit of each season. But when the first season came out, I remember watching it back back in 2020.

[Natalie]

I know. I remember I saw, like, the commercials for it, and I was like, nick, you need to do the show. This is, like, hot right here. And he was like, I think they asked me, and I said no, I didn't have time or something. And I was like, what? You turned it down? And he was like, so I don't know. And then second season came around, and he was locked in.

[Mark Estes]

So they only gave you a couple weeks, too, or literally a couple weeks.

[Nick]

Two weeks.

[Natalie]

I think he was, like, getting in the pool, our pool, because it was, like, kind of cold. And he was like, this will help.

[Nick]

Ours is winter. Are we. We were film. We were filming in New Zealand during the winter time. Oh, there.

[Mark Estes]

Is that when all the. There's all the rain and stuff?

[Nick]

No, no.

[Natalie]

Did you know where you were going?

[Nick]

I was hyperthermic for the last three days.

[Mark Estes]

Oh, yeah.

[Natalie]

Did you know where you were going?

[Mark Estes]

Not for, like, the first, like, week.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mark Estes]

I think eventually, like, after a week, like we said, like, the contract was through and stuff, and they told me.

[Victoria Fuller]

Right.

[Nick]

We have a. You have a couple of your recruits. Um, you know, we have Teresa and Gia. We have Jesse James Decker and her husband Eric. I think there was Sean Johnson and her and Andrew. Going into that experience, knowing what it's like, you know, you don't. You have. You know, you're all by yourself. Obviously, the recruits kind of band together, and you guys are a support system. But did you. Was there a little bit of envy or jealousy with, like, these people had each other and that support system because, like, the dss, they're just losing. Literally breaking you down, calling you a piece of all. All you want is, like, some. Like, just tell me I'm doing a little something, you know, and, like, you have, like, Gia or I love you.

[Natalie]

I love you.

[Nick]

And I'm like, I could have used a little bit of that. But, yeah. What was that like?

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, I think that definitely. It definitely gives them an edge, you know, you're on the show. And just like a little bit of emotional support, like during a challenge or, you know, day to day stuff goes a long ways. Because the DSing. Yeah. Giving it to you. But yeah, I think it for sure gives you a little edge if you have a spouse on there or like your best friend or something.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Like there's your motivation, you know, Like.

[Nick]

I can't say that I like heights or anything like that, but I mean, I'm not like, I don't have like this terrible fear of heights, but I found that when I was on the show, the challenges were for the most part kind of fun.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, and it was everything in between. When they're just beating the out of you a lot of stuff just to have heads up when you watch it, you're gonna be pretty frustrated because, you know, they can only show so much like every episode on what hour, hour and a half. I don't know. And your days, you know.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah.

[Nick]

They felt like we 18 hour days. So like you're gonna watch it back and all the whole audience is gonna be like, that's crazy. I can't believe they did it to you. And you're gonna feel like they showed like just like one sliver of like the torture that you endured.

[Natalie]

I remember Nick was like, we ran so far. We kept like.

[Nick]

That was like five miles and they showed like five minutes of it, you know.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah. That's gonna be frustrating, I'm sure.

[Natalie]

Did you go in with fears?

[Mark Estes]

No. That's funny. I didn't honestly have any fears. But like you said, once I got there though, I felt like I had fears like that. I'm not really scared of heights, never have been. But for some reason, like, we'd be doing certain challenges and I'd be like shaking. I'm like, I've never been scared of heights over my life.

[Natalie]

They showed a clip of the underwater one. Submarine or what?

[Mark Estes]

Submarine one.

[Natalie]

Yours was what, a helicopter? Helicopter. Underwater helicopter. How was that for you? Obviously, we don't know.

[Mark Estes]

Oh yeah, that one was.

[Natalie]

That one was brutal for me, like, is under like. I feel like a water that like, that would be my biggest fear of like losing oxygen.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, that one was pretty tough. Honestly, I. Going into it, I thought I was going to be fine. But like, once you're in it, you're like, holy.

[Natalie]

Once you're in a water, you're like, ah, yeah.

[Mark Estes]

And then I didn't plan it out very well. Overthought my strategy going into. Into it, which you definitely shouldn't Do. And I started counting in my head instead of, like, just waiting for the grab, you know? And so I started counting in my head, and I got to the number I thought it was going to be.

[Nick]

But you're counting too fast. You're like, 1, 1, 1, 2.

[Mark Estes]

So I got to the number and I didn't get grabbed yet. And so I'm like, who do you.

[Natalie]

Feel like was the meanest? Ds?

[Mark Estes]

I think they all kind of were pretty mean, just depending on, like. Like, Q could look at you and you'd be like, oh, fuck, he's pissed, you know? But, like, Foxy and Bailey are very, like, verbal, you know? So, like, you can tell they're mad at you because they're gonna tell you.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mark Estes]

But Q just would, like, look at you and just shake his head in disappointment and you're like, all right.

[Natalie]

Q didn't. On your season, Nick. He would, like, laugh, like, he'd have some.

[Nick]

He had, like, this wicked laugh, like.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, he does.

[Natalie]

It's so crazy.

[Victoria Fuller]

It's so crazy.

[Natalie]

He came to our wedding and he was like. I mean, just, like, dancing with all the women on the dance floor. Like, just the nicest, most charming man. And then to see them all on this show is just such a stark difference. Yeah, I'm sure. Have you talked to. I mean, obviously you've talked to them since, and it's like.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Is that shocking to, like, hear them be actual people?

[Mark Estes]

It definitely is. Like, Rudy. I saw Rudy and Q yesterday, and they were. Yeah, it's. They're just normal people. They're. Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah. They're not normal.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah. They.

[Mark Estes]

They have moments, for sure.

[Nick]

What. What surprised you the most?

[Mark Estes]

It surprised me how serious it was, like, going into it. I knew it was serious, obviously, but I didn't know it was like a real life simulation. Real life's, like. It's legit. Like, it's serious. Like, there's no, like, no cuts, no.

[Nick]

Town time, nothing services.

[Mark Estes]

They're on your ass 24 7.

[Nick]

Are you a pick? Are you a picky eater?

[Mark Estes]

I am, actually, kind of. And so that was rough.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's what me. Because, like, I. I wasn't getting the calories, and then we were in the cold, so, like, I was just losing. I don't have much weight to lose, and I was just getting. Just dropping calories. And now my body was. I. I got hypothermic and I couldn't warm up.

[Mark Estes]

Oh.

[Nick]

Because I had, like.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, it was nothing in your stomach.

[Nick]

I still won, though.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, dog.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mark Estes]

We had a lot of hard boiled eggs, me and Johnny.

[Nick]

I wish that we got.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yours were like watery eggs.

[Nick]

Oh, go for hard boiled eggs.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah. That's the only thing that kept us going.

[Chelsea Fry]

Who did you leave with?

[Natalie]

Like, being your closest friend, honestly.

[Mark Estes]

So it's kind of crazy. There's a lot of. There's like six of us that are in Nashville, like, out of the Nashville area. So obviously all the Nashville people. But me and Johnny definitely, like, we've hung out since then, you know.

[Natalie]

Do you ever think you'd be friends with Johnny Manziel?

[Mark Estes]

No, honestly.

[Natalie]

What about Dwight Howard?

[Mark Estes]

No, either.

[Victoria Fuller]

Okay.

[Nick]

Justice Smollett. Did you know about him or his backstory before coming on the show?

[Mark Estes]

Honestly, I knew about him, but I didn't know his backstory and I didn't know a lot about him. Like, I knew who he was.

[Nick]

Now he's a very fascinating person with a very polarizing story, a lot of different opinions about him. What was he like? Just getting to know him and being one of your fellow recruits?

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, I thought he was pretty cool. We didn't have, like, a bunch of, like, conversations, honestly. But he was a very, he was a very nice, respectful guy to me.

[Nick]

Did he talk much about. About. Were. Was there. Were there people there familiar with his story and did they. Anyone whispers behind, like, interrogate him or. Like, because it is, it's very, it's very fascinating with a lot of, you know, there's like a new Netflix documentary about it and things like that. Did anyone.

[Mark Estes]

Not that I noticed, or they weren't talking to me about it, maybe. Because I, I, I still honestly don't know much about it.

[Nick]

Was there anyone you got to know who rubbed you the wrong way?

[Mark Estes]

The wrong way? No, but Cody Brown, I was about to ask. So Cody Brown, we were, I don't know, like, he's, he was super nice to me and, you know, he's a good guy, but he would just, you know, everyone on the show, he would just get so, like, dead set on it. And he'd always say, like, when he gets nervous, he starts talking. And so sometimes we're just like, bro, Cody, settle down a little bit. You're making this worse for all of us. But he's not malicious guy or anything. He's a nice guy. He just talks a lot.

[Nick]

Who of your crew surprised you the most in terms of, like, you know, maybe. Maybe you met them and thought, they're not gonna go that far. We can't say spoilers, but who went maybe farther or, or surprised you then.

[Natalie]

Or it's just like, more like beast in challenges or, like, whatever than you would expect.

[Mark Estes]

Honestly, Nick Young, he got through a lot of that. You know, I thought before going into it, I'm like, oh, he's done for sure. Because he would say it, you know, he would say, I'm not doing this, but he would eventually get through it. So he got through a lot of. He didn't think he was gonna.

[Natalie]

Did you ever say you were done?

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, there's one time after the tunnels, I was like, if we have to do tunnels again, I'm not doing it.

[Natalie]

I remember you were like, Nick's. There were several moments where he was like, I'm quit. Well, no, but you always say that, like, everyone has their thing. Like, everyone had their, like, excuse for.

[Nick]

Yeah, in my experience doing it, it's like, you know, there's a pride element to it. Like, if you. If you first of all, just showing up for this crazy show knowing that there's, like, no incentive to stay, you know, whatever they pay you is, like, you can quit five minutes later. There's literally no incentive. So there's a little bit of, like, craziness in anyone who shows up. And obviously, there's a sense of pride in that person who shows up. And I have found that, like, for everyone, for all the people who ended up, you know, quitting or leaving the show, you saw it, like, earlier. Earlier, before they quit, and they would start coming up with reasons why they needed to leave. That, to them, wasn't quitting. Like. Like, DEZ Bryant, like, started bringing up, like, he needs to call his kids. And he was frustrated that production wouldn't want him call his kids and things like that. And, like, other people were just talking about, like, well, I don't. I don't. I don't have a problem with the challenges. But they didn't. Like, they felt unsafe in the jeeps where we were going to and things like that, which were all. Again, all valid. But, like, there, you could just tell people, you know, they're coming up with. They were coming up with. Yeah, because they, you know, listen, like, you just.

[Victoria Fuller]

It's.

[Nick]

You're like, why the Am I here?

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, like, yeah, that was. Yeah, that happened in our season, too. And even I found myself doing it a couple times. Then I would think in my brain, I'm like, just stop being a. About it. You know, like, just because the food's not good, like, that's not an excuse to leave because, you know, there's this. Yeah, I think it's human nature. Like, you know, in those scenarios, they're insane. And it's like the little in between. The challenges aren't that bad. At the end of the day, it's the in between.

[Nick]

Yeah, they're scary, but they're kind of fun. Were you surprised how little training or, or, or just like I thought we were gonna get like rehearsals. Oh, yeah, I thought, you know, I did other shows where you do stuff and they're like, if any, anything remotely, you know, dangerous, you know, is like a two hour safety course. So I was like, oh, we're gonna get all these like. And you would show up and they're like, just like, all right, here's how you do it. It's. I'm just gonna show you from 80 yards away. All right, go. And you're like the.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, that was tough doing that. And we did like a little like. I'm sure you guys did it too. Like the day before you went on the show, you probably did like a two minute little like how to repel or something.

[Nick]

Thought we didn't even do that. They were like, can you. They asked us if we could swim and I had to swim for five seconds.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, that's kind of what we did. That's all the training we got.

[Nick]

Like, okay. Were you hoping this would turn on you? Your girlfriend number right, by doing this?

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, I think so. I think she's very excited. Her and her family, they're excited to watch it. So I'm excited for.

[Natalie]

How did your family feel about you going?

[Mark Estes]

They thought it was sick.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Mark Estes]

You know, my dad, he's very, you know, he played football his whole life, so he's like very, like detailed and like, so he's watched every single episode and just sending me like spark notes of everything. So he loved it and that I was on it for sure.

[Nick]

I do have to. Why did you text Kristen? I miss you after you guys broke up. Sounds toxic.

[Mark Estes]

I don't even know what that. I don't even know what that's about, honestly.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Mark Estes]

I mean, that was probably like eight months ago when we first broke up or something.

[Nick]

Yeah. We gotta ask.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah. It wasn't. It wasn't recent. I know that period.

[Nick]

What's next for you?

[Mark Estes]

What's next? We got the two shows coming out and then I'm gonna focus a lot, I think on modeling a little bit for the next year. I want to get in the acting.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Mark Estes]

So I'm going to start maybe doing some acting classes here and there and just see where that kind of takes me.

[Susie Evans]

Did the Montana boys break up?

[Mark Estes]

No, the Montana boys are still there. We're just all kind of doing our own thing. And then once we, like, once we're together and stuff, we'll still do stuff together. We'll. We still do events together and all that kind of stuff. But Caleb's kind of DJing and doing his own thing.

[Natalie]

Was it Caleb who was dating Kayla from Love Island?

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, they had a little romance.

[Natalie]

A little thing we saw on. I heard about it.

[Nick]

That's no longer happening. She's with the new guy.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, she's with the new guy.

[Nick]

The new guy. All right, if they is. Are you, like, the leader?

[Mark Estes]

It depends what we're doing. Okay, so it all depends. Caleb's more like if we need to get done or, like, have, like, a video we need to post or make.

[Nick]

Like, I'm for sure getting, like, who's the Harry Styles of. Of the Montana boys? Caleb.

[Victoria Fuller]

Caleb.

[Nick]

Okay. All right.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, I go. Caleb.

[Natalie]

Interesting.

[Nick]

All right.

[Victoria Fuller]

Okay. Well.

[Nick]

Well, Mark, thanks for joining us. Best of luck the rest of the season. Excited to see how it turns out. Sounds like you're going to do pretty well. You're a good physical shape. It's a mental. It's definitely a mental game.

[Natalie]

Jojo offered to carry Tom Sandoval for Nick, and he should have that.

[Victoria Fuller]

Biggest mistake he ever made.

[Susie Evans]

You know, when they offer you.

[Nick]

I'm carrying. I'm carrying Tom for, like a mile on my shoulders. And this is after I was started becoming hyperthermic earlier in the morning. I'm done. And so, like. And JoJo was a beast. Like, she crushed it the whole time. And so I put Tom down. She's like, let me take him. I'm like, all right, fine. You know, like, she puts Tom on her back and she walks 10ft maybe, and then she's like. And she puts them down and they're like, that's all we needed. And they just kept looping and make it seem like Jojo, like, saved my ass and carried him the rest of the way. I look like such a fucking bitch. I was. It was. Fuck you, Fox. I'll never let that go. Anyways. Well, I wish you nothing but the best, man. Happy that you're part of the Special Forces family. Excited to see how you do. And if you don't win, I'll always have that over you.

[Mark Estes]

Yeah, you will.

[Nick]

All right, well, that will do it for our episode. Thank you to our guests Chelsea Fry and Mark Estes. Don't forget to tune in tomorrow for an explosive episode of Gary Deeper, where Teresa Judice lays it all on the ground, the floor. She spills it all. She talks about it all. And then on Thursday, we have a great episode for you as well.

[Natalie]

Madison Pettis, Chris Clemens and Alexia Napola.

[Nick]

Are all with us. We'll see you then. Bye. Bye.

[Victoria Fuller]

Bye.

[Nick]

You say you'll never join the Navy.

[Natalie]

That you'd never track storms brewing in.

[Nick]

The Atlantic, and skydiving could never be part of your commute. You'd never climb Mount Fuji on a port visit or fly so fast you.

[Chelsea Fry]

Break the sound barrier.

[Nick]

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