E1010 - Rachel Lindsay, DIVORCED Nicole Kidman/Keith Urban, RHOSLC, Love Is Blind, DWTS & Bachelor Thoughts

Summary

The Viall Files: Reality Recap with Rachel Lindsay

Episode E1010 – October 2, 2025

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Episode Overview

This Reality Recap episode of The Viall Files is a packed, lively discussion with host Nick Viall, co-hosts, and special in-person guest Rachel Lindsay. The episode revisits Rachel's public divorce, dives deep into reality TV (with highlights from Love Is Blind, Dancing with the Stars, and Real Housewives of Salt Lake City), riffs on celebrity divorce news, discusses dating dynamics for women, and trades stories about parenting and pop culture gossip. The tone is candid, humorous, and unfiltered, mixing personal anecdotes with thoughtful insights on relationships and reality fame.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Return of Rachel Lindsay – Divorce Details and Reflections

Timestamps: 17:52–35:17

• Rachel returns to The Viall Files as its first in-person guest at the new studio, and openly talks about her recent, much-publicized divorce.
• She clarifies misconceptions about her past appearance on the show and the timing of her split.
  • “When I came, I did not know…that we were going to get…divorced…We were having issues for sure…But I did not know that…” (Rachel, 18:42)
• The divorce, while initially appearing amicable, quickly became contentious, especially regarding legal filings and money.
  • “I think the hardest part for me was the spousal support. I did not mind actually giving him money. It was the spousal support. Like, why do you need an allowance?” (Rachel, 22:10)
• Rachel discusses gender roles, resentment, and jealousy over her success:
  • “There were things I underestimated about how he felt about me…how do you share a bed with someone who feels so strongly about you in such a negative way?” (Rachel, 21:22)
  • “As my career grew, his didn’t…jealousy was one of them. I had no—just imagine your partner being jealous of you…It was a really tough thing.” (Rachel, 25:05)
• The group touches on property, finances, and outdated societal expectations.
  • Nick: “Have some self-respect as a man. You don’t need an allowance. You don’t have kids. No, you don’t have to…” (Nick, 22:36)
• Rachel is writing a new book about divorce and womanhood, aiming to help others process shame, vulnerability, and dating anew.
  • “I want the book to read like an Adele song…At the end, she’s like fuck you, still I rise. I want it to be encouraging…” (Rachel, 33:57)

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2. Celebrity Divorce & Gender Dynamics

Timestamps: 38:48–43:12

• The group explores the rumored Nicole Kidman/Keith Urban divorce, with Rachel speculating about career jealousy and gendered reactions to female stardom.
  • “I feel like she’s having this resurgence…and the resurgence is sex…young man sex…Not every man can. It takes a really strong person to see a woman do that…” (Rachel, 39:11)
• Joyful commentary on queer-coded celebrity relationships and pop culture couples' breakups.
  • “It’s always really sad when queer relationships end.” (Mary, 41:21)

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3. Dancing with the Stars Recap & Reality TV Dynamics

Timestamps: 43:15–52:54

• Discussion of DWTS’s younger, hipper rebranding and TikTok influence.
  • “They've done a good job of getting the younger audience... It's hipper. It looks a lot more fun.” (Nick, 44:02)
• Opinions on cast members’ skill levels, underdogs vs. professionals, perceived fairness, and the relatability of amateur dancers.
  • “I want to see growth.” (Rachel, 47:12)
• Debate over whether DWTS should introduce more drama or competition among dancers to spice things up.

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4. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Recap

Timestamps: 53:08–66:00

• Running commentary and comedic recap of the latest RHOSLC episode.
• Group fixates on Bronwyn and Todd’s dynamic and the recurring eating scenes.
  • “I love that there is such a stark contrast between two of them...I feel like that's the only thing they do together…Todd is like, this is the only thing I'm going to be on camera doing.” (Rachel, 54:09)
• Dissection of Lisa Barlow’s recurring lawsuit drama, name-dropping, and self-presentation.
  • “If you have to constantly brag about your success…then you’re not really as successful as you want us to believe.” (Nick, 58:57)
• Praise for the editors’ legal team parody featuring TV lawyers.

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5. Love Is Blind: Denver – Relationships, Gender Roles, and Self-Presentation

Timestamps: 72:12–96:26

• Panel reacts to the new season’s first episode, commenting on cast quirks, charmers, and standouts (notably Edmund, Anton, Ally, Sparkle Megan).
• Notable moment: The panel debates “ugly hot” types, the importance of authenticity, and dating “types.”
• Sharp critique of “Sparkle Megan,” a successful woman leading with wealth in dating:
  • “If you’re constantly talking about that [success]…that becomes your personality… it’s a little off-putting or it’s going to be detrimental to a relationship with a guy who maybe isn’t on your level.” (Rachel, 80:16)
• The group comments on the gendered challenges of dating as a high-achieving woman—do male egos really get in the way, or are some women just dating the wrong men?
  • “If you are that successful at a certain age, at a certain point in your life, you must recognize you need to stop dating a certain type of guy…” (Nick, 79:27)
  • “I was not a cheerleader in the beginning…By the time I realized that, we were already on the end of it...” (Rachel, 88:08)
• The group discusses reciprocal support, cheerleading, and mutual respect as the keys to a healthy partnership, debunking the simple “men are threatened by success” narrative.

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6. Golden Bachelor & Bachelor Nation Chatter

Timestamps: 99:26–109:01

• Rachel and panel give updates and low-key shade to the latest Golden Bachelor season, with discussion of ageism, genuine connections, and breaking from the Bachelor franchise’s past.
• Speculation and hopes for Taylor, the new lead, with insights on casting priorities.
  • “If they really cared about Taylor, half the men would be dads…whatever Taylor’s preferences are, they would really want to get to know what she’s into...They don’t do that.” (Nick, 108:40)
• Rachel expresses excitement for seeing Taylor as a new type of lead, but cautions against Hulu “universe” stunt casting.

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Notable Quotes & Candid Moments

• On Divorce & Gender Roles:
  • “These were things that came out that I was learning from other people…after it was filed...I thought I knew I had the upper hand because I knew I had the money…and I wasn’t clearly aware of the legal, like the community property…” (Rachel, 21:44)
  • “I think both people want a cheerleader, and I think successful people…want someone who’s proud of them, who sees their effort, their grind…” (Nick, 85:07)
• On Reality TV:
  • “I want to see a Dylan [Efron]. I want to see somebody grow. I want to be surprised. I want to see them struggle.” (Rachel, 46:16)
• On Dating as a High-Achieving Woman:
  • “When I have met men who are successful, they actually are turned off by me being equally successful. They want somebody who maybe isn’t as…” (Rachel, 81:45)
  • “They want someone impressed by their own success.” (Nick, 81:48)
• On Relationship Growth:
  • “You have to mutually respect each other…So I think it's okay to want and have a cheerleader, but there needs to be reciprocity, especially if that other person you’re dating gives a shit about their career and their accomplishments…” (Nick, 86:48)
  • “As I reflect on my own faults in the marriage, I was not a cheerleader in the beginning...By the time I realized that, we were already on the end of it.” (Rachel, 88:08)

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Episode Highlights & Memorable Moments

• Rachel’s deep vulnerability and accountability in discussing her failed marriage, including legal battles and regrets.
• Panel’s witty takedowns of reality TV editing, with specific focus on “Sparkle Megan” and performative dating.
  • “Don’t give me a nickname, okay?...Let your friends call you that.” (Nick, 77:25)
• Lively debate about gender roles—what’s “emasculating,” who needs a “cheerleader,” and how to avoid resentment in relationships.
• Humorous recap of Salt Lake City, especially on Lisa Barlow’s legal drama and the show’s self-aware camp.
• Insider reflection on what it’s like to date as a public figure (“the scarlet letter is not the divorce—it’s being on the show.” (Rachel, 35:45))
• Affectionate “household” banter about parenting, pets, nostalgia cookies, and household chores—refreshing and relatable.

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Rachel Lindsay’s Divorce Deep Dive – 17:52–35:17
• Celebrity Divorce & Gender Roles – 38:48–43:12
• Dancing with the Stars Recap – 43:15–52:54
• RHOSLC Recap & Analysis – 53:08–66:00
• Love Is Blind Denver Recap & Gender Dynamics – 72:12–96:26
• Golden Bachelor & Franchise Gossip – 99:26–109:01

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Conclusion

In this multi-layered, laugh-filled episode, Rachel Lindsay offers raw insight into the personal aftermath of her marriage, while the group delivers sharp, nuanced commentary on what reality TV and real-life relationships expose about gender, power, and self-valuation. Whether you’re a reality TV superfan or just want relatable takes on modern love, this episode is a masterclass in mixing humor, self-reflection, and essential pop culture critique.

Listen for the unfiltered takes, stay for the camaraderie and wisdom.

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Transcript

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[A]

What'S going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. I am your host, Nick, with my wife. The household is here. We're back back in LA in the new studio. And I got to say, guys, you really crushed it. The household really came together. We weren't even here.

[B]

Worked over.

[A]

Yeah, we. We. We were like, you got this.

[B]

We were doing the lake house.

[A]

We. We were literally doing the lake house. But you guys really crushed it. Not you. You weren't. You weren't there. Sierra. Let's give credit where credit's due.

[B]

Not to Sierra, not here and here. Credit to Justin. Sweet boy.

[A]

Justin really dominated. He really. He quarterbacked this thing. Also, Mary wasn't hearing either.

[C]

No, I was here through some of.

[A]

It doing Florida things.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Mary was still very helpful.

[A]

More helpful than Sierra.

[F]

Okay.

[D]

Certainly.

[C]

Certainly more helpful than Sierra. Not as helpful as Justin.

[A]

Not as helpful as Justin. Well, you guys did great. I hope for those watching or if you're listening, be sure to check it out on YouTube. It. We. It really looks like a household. We're really doing.

[B]

We're in someone's living room. I don't know whose living room it is, but we're in their living room.

[A]

It's ours.

[B]

It's like it's the household living room.

[D]

And you guys, welcome to our household.

[A]

We have a very exciting episode. Lots to get into. We had the premiere of Love is Blind Denver. Right. Denver style. What season are we in? 9.

[B]

I made that up. I don't know. Is it?

[A]

That's a good guess. I think it's more.

[D]

8.

[A]

I think it's 8. 8.

[E]

I think it's eight.

[B]

I'm pretty sure it's eight.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Season.

[C]

It's season nine per.

[A]

All right. In Menver, commonly known as Menver. It was back in the day.

[B]

Cuz there's so many men.

[A]

Cuz there's so many men. I don't know if it still is. What American you.

[B]

I've never been.

[A]

Is Denver still referred to as Menver? And what is the dating ratio in Denver?

[B]

Sounding pretty.

[C]

Is Denver still referred to as Menver?

[A]

Well, Mary looks that up also. What's going on this episode? Rachel Lindsay is joining the show momentarily.

[D]

Our queen.

[A]

You know her from lots of things. Very successful, very accomplished queen that she is. Long time ago, she was also.

[B]

Y' all were falling in love.

[A]

Nope. Well, I mean, we kind of falling in respect of each other. Anyways, Rachel is here to talk all things Bravo. Some love is blind. We'll catch up with Rachel, see what's going on in her life. She is our first in person guest at the new studio, which I think is fitting because she was one of our first. She was one of my first guests on the Vile Files a long time ago. She's been on a few times, so she is returning to the show. We'll get into some Dancing with the Stars as well. They've really modernized that show.

[F]

Oh, I'm obsessed with it.

[A]

It's so much more fun than when I was on it.

[F]

Why do you say that?

[A]

Because of their bebopping and like.

[B]

No, Nick was like, it looks so much easier now.

[A]

No, no, no. I don't want to say easier.

[E]

Nick, I have a confession to make. Last night when I was watching Dancing with the Stars, I did go back and watch some of your dances just because I was curious and I've never seen them before.

[B]

What do you think?

[E]

You did a great job.

[A]

I looked scared the whole time.

[E]

A little, but only because I know you.

[B]

What did you think of his Pinocchio?

[A]

That was my best work.

[B]

More so. His beard. His lack of beard.

[E]

Yeah, the puppet was really good.

[A]

That was my best work.

[B]

It was like, they g. No, no.

[E]

My favorite was when you. When you jumped onto the rope in the ceiling and got whisked away.

[D]

What?

[F]

What?

[B]

What?

[A]

That was the word. That was my last dance. That one I have nightmares about because it was my favorite dance. It felt really good about it. And then my legs cramped up in the middle of the dance because I didn't drink any water during the day because I was, like, kind of nervous. And it was just a whole nightmare. And then I got eliminated that day. I wish I could do that one again. But no, they, like, they're just modernizing it. They're just kind of having more. You know, it's ballroom dancing. Like, we'll get into it later, but it's a. It. It's a lot of fun to watch these days. If you're not checking it out, you. You should.

[C]

I do have the facts about menver.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

So Denver is not officially or widely referred to as member. However, it was once referred to in slang as menver, but the nickname has fallen largely out of use because it's not like, yeah, ladies here about a.

[A]

Lot of eligible men and they all moved well, basically.

[C]

Though the term was sometimes supported by data showing a male heavy population, its validity was frequently debated and it became outdated. Dated over time. And by 2024, it was like, nah, the ladies moved back in.

[B]

Now it's femme fember.

[D]

Fember.

[E]

I have a question. Has river started cursing yet?

[A]

Unfortunately, no.

[B]

Honestly, Kind of shocked she hasn't because of Nick's sailor mouth.

[E]

Do you curse around?

[B]

She does say something that sounds like, oh, but it's not.

[A]

I, I cur. I just, it's just part of my vocab, you know, it's just that's why.

[B]

The moms are mad at us because they can't listen to this with their kids in the car because they're like Nick C. So much.

[A]

I'm really, I'm sorry, guys. Should we bleep the swear words?

[C]

No. That's so much work.

[A]

The editing moms, like, we all know you swear. We. We know you swear. And when your child swears, just blame it on me.

[F]

Yeah, yeah, you know what?

[A]

I'm just. I can be your scapegoat, Uncle Matt. I'll wear that.

[B]

She did start saying yuck, which is really cute.

[A]

She's a bit jet lagged because we, we were coming from the central time zone from the leg. So she woke up at four in the morning and was like, da, da yuck. And then I had to go change her diaper because it was a little soaked through. And while I'm changing her, she goes, daddy yuck, Daddy yuck. Daddy yuck. Daddy yuck, Yuck, yuck, yuck, yuck. Which is if you've listened to the show, yuck. One of my favorite words to say. So I don't know how. I think Allison, Allison taught it to her.

[B]

One of our houses sticking up like ball that God knows where it came from in this studio. But she was eating it and Allison was like, hey, yeah, that's my stress ball.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Why do you ask Leia?

[E]

Well, so Lala posted a video of Ocean saying she was calling her, I think half sister Riley a bitch.

[A]

And Ocean was calling.

[E]

Ocean was like doing a. Was recording a video and she called Riley a bitch. And then Lala had happened to be walking by as she did that and was kind of like, what did you just say? And then she, she just happened to be recording. Good parenting. Well, it wasn't live, I don't think. I think lala posted the video later.

[F]

No, it sounds like she gives Ocean the phone to record her little videos. Like she's making vlogs, but they probably just don't go anywhere. But this one she posted because, yeah, she literally just like, yeah, Riley's a. I was like, what did you just say?

[B]

Did she say she heard it from her dad.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Because she was like, where did you hear that word?

[E]

She did.

[B]

And she was like, my dad.

[A]

It. I bet. I would not surprise that Randall's calling people.

[B]

No shock there.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Then Ocean, didn't she say, my mom got mad at me and that makes my feelings really hurt?

[F]

Yeah, he did.

[E]

It was really cute. Honestly, I thought Lala did like a good job.

[F]

Like, same.

[A]

Do you think Randall's referring to Lala as your mom's? Your mom's such a. Yeah, probably not.

[F]

To her, but definitely like on the phone in conversations. Probably like that. Asked for da da da da. And she's like, great, for sure.

[B]

She actually just. It was so sad. She. Lala was just talking about, I guess how she went and like, had her will made or something. And she's like, you know, once you get to a certain point in life, you gotta, you know, have a will kids. And she was basically saying that, like, she's like, if she were to die, she was like, ocean would obviously go to her father and she was like. And she would probably never see like, Sosa, her sister, ever again. Or like her.

[A]

She really feels that way. She feels like Randall that much of a monster?

[F]

I think so. I don't know him personally.

[B]

You think Randall would be like, let's go to.

[A]

Well, I mean, I don't know, but you would think that, however, if you. If you have a speck of a heart for or. Or speck of love for your child, selflessly, regardless of how you might feel, that would be your child's sibling and therefore you would want to go out of your way. But you're right. Brandall's probably a heartless bitch. A heartless bitch? Yeah.

[D]

You know.

[E]

You know who else is a heartless bitch?

[B]

Me. And you.

[D]

Me. Me. Why? I'm.

[E]

I'm a heartless bitch because ever since I have had a kid, I have been so mean to my dog. And let me. Let me just paint the picture here. This dog was everything to me. Brought her everywhere, cutest thing in the whole world. And now, like, I just don't know what to do because I have no patience for her anymore. And she is just panting all the time. And I'm just like, she wants to play. And I'm like, yeah, no, of course you do. But like, I literally cannot.

[A]

Yeah, lady and the Tramp. Nailed it.

[B]

Yeah, they did.

[E]

So sad.

[A]

Maybe this is sexist, I don't know. But it's. It's just you ladies.

[B]

Well, because we're the ones who are constantly being Touched by our children.

[F]

Yeah. Attached at the boob or at the.

[E]

Literally.

[B]

But no, you're not alone. And I think that's a very common feeling amongst moms, new moms, because they. It is. It's so much with. With newborns and babies and toddlers because you're doing so much all day. You're breastfeeding. They're. They're non stop. Want to be held or touching you or calling you or whatever it is. River's very much in her, like, mama, mama, mama, mama, mama, mama, Mama peas, Mama peas, Mama peas. And I. Yeah. And when the dog is, like, wanting you, dropping their wet slobbery ball onto your lap, you're like, I will get rid of you.

[A]

Has Louis started eating bugs yet?

[F]

Excuse me?

[E]

No, but he does. On the topic of dogs eat. Try to eat the dog food all the time.

[A]

Oh, dog food. Okay. I thought you were going to go.

[D]

Hey.

[C]

I tried to. I remember when I was little one time I thought, you know how they make, like, Scooby snacks that are graham crackers and then Scooby snacks that are actual dog treats? My brother told me the opposite was true. And then I ate like, a Scooby Snack that was dunked, y'.

[D]

All.

[B]

So I've talked about such a good brother. My cousins who live in Spain, they're from. They're born in Spain, live in Spain, whatever. They would come every summer to the States and they'd come to Alabama and, like, you know, see us, see my grandparents, whatever. And I remember we went to Petco and you know how they had, like, the buffet of dog treats?

[C]

Oh, yeah, the, like, edible ones.

[B]

My cousin from Spain was like, oh, my God, free cookies.

[D]

And, like, literally ate one of each.

[B]

She was probably like 8 years old. And finally she's like, these don't taste good. You're like, wait, no, there's a lot of chicken flavor. She's like, yeah, really, like, bacony. I was expecting chocolate chip.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

The fact that she just kept going.

[B]

But it's like, they probably don't have that in space.

[F]

She's like, one of these have to be a good flavor.

[B]

One of them got a good something.

[A]

About things being free.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I don't care how much they're not free.

[B]

You, like, build your own. It's like a candy store, you know.

[A]

Like, you get something new, you know, it feels free.

[F]

Do you remember Mrs. Field's cookies?

[D]

Yes.

[E]

Yes.

[F]

That's how she blew up was because she would give the older cookies in the day that were made out to for free. To test for the customers because nobody came. And so then all of a sudden the line would start because people tasted the cookies and then would get in line to buy them.

[C]

Oh, well, Natalie, Georgia. They have Publix in Georgia, right?

[B]

Of course.

[C]

Publix. As a kid. When you're a kid, you get free cookies.

[B]

Every time you go to Publix, they have the little thing. Oh, yeah.

[D]

Oh, my God.

[B]

The sprinkles. Oh, the sprinkle cookies.

[C]

The chocolate chip as well.

[B]

I'll pull it inside me. They're so good.

[A]

I heard crumble cookies are the.

[B]

No, no, no. I've been on. No, I've been on crumbl cookie TikTok. And it's been showing, like, what. The equivalent of the amount of sugar.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And It'll be like 52 liters of Coke. No, really, it's the equivalent of one.

[C]

I don't really fuck with crumble cookies.

[A]

I don't find them to be that good. I actually. I taste how much unnecessary crap we had.

[B]

We had them at our wedding. We had the mini ones at our wedding.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And I think I killed you all.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I hope everyone's okay.

[C]

And this is why Nick had to cut out sugar.

[A]

He had all of it in one day. All of the sugar.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Guys, I still haven't had any sugar.

[B]

In 2025, which has been so sad because we were obviously at the lake, and Nick's mom was like, oh, I want to bake cookies. I want to bake this. And then she was like, it's Nick's birthday. What should I bake him? And I was like, he won't eat anything.

[A]

My mom was like, I want to make cookies. And I said, well, that's cool, but I won't have any.

[B]

And then she did not.

[A]

Because if I'm not going to eat it, mom doesn't make it.

[B]

Sweet boy. Sweet baby boy.

[A]

N Like, she's like, fuck, Natalie. I'm not making it for this bitch.

[F]

And then I was like, could you.

[B]

Do them gluten free? And she was like, absolutely fucking not.

[F]

Like, it's just not gonna work. She's like, is it your birthday?

[B]

They're not for you.

[A]

First of all, I will say it is nice to see Nally and my mom bond often. Well, Nally, had you mentioned it last episode, she had some anxiety with river. Just like, being around, like, river tripped and fell and whatever and, you know, got a little boo boo. But it is. It is sweet to see when it comes to mom stuff, Natalie and my mom really, really Bond over stuff. My mom, obviously being a mom of 11, has been through it.

[F]

Right, right.

[A]

So she's a. She's a nice.

[F]

Wait, that's so sweet.

[A]

Nice resource. You know, maybe, maybe I don't. I see it. But maybe you don't feel that.

[B]

No, 100% I do. Yeah. No, I love your mom. She's great.

[F]

Does she know to put the waffle in the toaster?

[A]

She actually, she doesn't just be like, well, she asked for it.

[F]

Too soon.

[A]

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[A]

Rachel, welcome back.

[D]

I'm happy to be back.

[A]

Guys, what do you think of our new studio?

[D]

It looks fantastic and it's super convenient for me. Much closer for us.

[A]

Really?

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

We live in the three of us.

[D]

Speaking of the three of us, like.

[A]

How are we doing it? Rachel on the show more often, put.

[B]

It five minutes away from her.

[D]

It's been a while since I've been back. Like, I was thinking about that. I thought I was just here.

[B]

But no, no, last time you were here, I think it was right before you announced your divorce.

[D]

Okay, let's clear some things up about this. People were really upset. I mean, people supported me. Right. But people were like, the articles were like, she was just on the vial files and she was saying all these things and I was like, this is really great for them. But when I came, I did not know.

[A]

Oh, that's right.

[D]

That we were going to get.

[A]

Cause it was like right around the holidays.

[D]

It was right around the holidays. It was right before Christmas.

[A]

I remember being like, well, thanks a lot, Rachel.

[D]

But I did not know at that time that I, like, we were having issues for sure. I mean, right. I didn't wake up one morning. But I did not know that. And I forgot. I did the podcast that we were going to. The filing was gonna happen, that I was gonna ask for it than the sneak filing. I did not know that was gonna happen.

[B]

Wait, so you filed and he sneak filed?

[D]

No, no, no. I Didn't file. I asked.

[A]

You were like, I want the D. Yeah, I asked.

[D]

And then it was like, do you not like to say it? I was just saying, oh, my God, it's early in the morning. Yes, the D. Okay. Sorry. Did you. The D? No. I asked. And then it was like he didn't hear me say it. And then he said it. Almost like.

[B]

It was like, you're not breaking up with me. I'm breaking up with you.

[D]

It felt like that, but so I really thought it was like an amicable thing. And little did I know. Cause this was New Year's Eve, right? So very close to after I came here. And I was just like, okay, like, we're gonna handle this, you know, privately. All these things. And then bam. The first. I mean, that's what My case filing is.00,01. We're the number one case filing.

[B]

Wow.

[A]

And he had no New Year's Eve plans. What should I do?

[D]

He said to me, are we. I usually have people over. And so he was like, are we having people over? But for me, I knew that because I had just come from Dallas, I had just, like, buried my grandmother. Something had happened that I don't want to talk about because I want to write about it. That week where I was like, yeah, I talked to my parents, and I was like, I have specific questions to ask, and I'm going to ask them. If I don't get the answer, I feel like we need to move forward. Then I'm asking for it. And I didn't. So I was like, yeah, I think I want a divorce. But then he said it, too. He must have already had an attorney. Like, must have been anticipating it. Cause like I said, we were having issues. But when I came on this podcast, I was very serious. I had just frozen my eggs. We really were trying.

[A]

You were hopeful?

[D]

Yes. Well, I was hopeful that, yeah, we could get there. But I meant the things that I said. But I said something on here that I thought was very telling that people hung onto. And I think it was the first thing that ever said out loud. And I remember saying it. I was like, yeah, I can't take that back. I said, we live very different lives. And I had never said that before. And I was like, oh, gosh, I'm being too honest. It just, like, came out. But we did. People thought. I thought we lived separately, but no, it's not that we lived separately. We just really were living different lives. We were like two ships passing in the night.

[A]

And then he tried to steal all Your money.

[D]

Well, I mean legally.

[A]

He's allowed to legally have some self respect. That's what I thought. I don't. That's just my opinion.

[D]

I don't. No, I mean, I really hoped it would be friendly and it wouldn't get down to it because we both allegedly wanted it. I think there were things I underestimated about how he felt about me, which was hard. Like, how do you share a bed with someone who feels so strongly about you in such a negative way? These were things that came out that I was learning from other people.

[B]

Like he was talking shit about you behind your back.

[D]

Yeah. Like after it was filed. And so I was just kinda like, wow. I didn't know that. And I'm not gonna act like I was perfect by any means. Takes two people to get to that point. I thought I knew I had the upper hand because I knew I had the money and so. And I wasn't clearly was not aware of the legal, like the community property. I thought because we got married in Florida that Florida laws would apply. I just truly.

[A]

California that. 50.

[D]

50. I truly. And I didn't think he would do those things, you know, like, you don't think that. But I was just kind of like. I remember the day after New Year's Day, I was like, what do you want? I don't want anything from you. What do you want from me? I was willing to give it to him. I think the hardest part for me was the spousal support. I did not mind actually giving him money. It was the spousal support. Like, why do you need an allowance? He could do it. So he does. He could also work.

[A]

Yeah. The old school in me. Maybe this is sexist of me to say, but I just, I have some self respect as a man. You don't need an allowance. You don't have kids. No, you don't have.

[B]

That's. That is the craziest part. You have a split. Yeah, he has it.

[D]

He has a.

[B]

You have a business, great profession. Move back to Florida. That's where, you know. Wasn't he like so upset that he had to move to la?

[D]

No, he wanted to be in la. That's like the, like. I cannot wait to just like fully talk about some of this stuff. He wanted to be here. There's a reason he was already licensed to practice in California. He always wanted to be in la. He actually moved to LA a month before when we were engaged to try to like make it here. Like had an Airbnb for a month, was putting out Stuff to model, to do all these things. And then I actually did it too. I moved out for a month and I stayed with Carrie Fettman, who we all know and love. Yeah, I moved out here too, planting seeds, seeing if there was work out here. And that's how I eventually ended up working for Extra. I ended up having a podcast about the Bachelor. So we both were doing that. It's not one sided. Like, hey, Rachel wanted to move out here and I had to follow for him.

[B]

Do you feel like he was jealous of your success?

[A]

I was gonna say, do you feel like he scapegoated you for his failures?

[D]

A hundred percent. One hundred percent. And I think that there were sat. What always gets lost in it is that I moved for him. We lived to Dallas and we moved to Dallas because he quit his job a week after in Florida, a week after the show stopped filming, before it had aired. And I didn't quit, I was still practicing law. So he moved to Dallas, which I was super grateful for. And I acknowledged that sacrifice. And then I stopped practicing law and I asked him, where do you want to go? And he said, Florida. And we picked up everything and we moved to Florida. But that always gets lost. I had no job in Florida. I didn't have. I wasn't working for Extra, didn't have the Bachelor podcast at that point yet. I don't think so. So I moved for him so he could build it up. That never gets talked about. And then Covid hit and things happened and then opportunity better. Opportunity was in LA and I knew we both wanted to be here. But yeah, when I talk about things, I didn't know how he felt about me. Jealousy was one of them. I had no, like, just imagine your partner being jealous of you. Like, it's. It was a really. It was a really tough thing. But yeah, I have so many now that I'm moving past it and I'm starting to write about it. Like all these things I was about to add.

[B]

Yeah, that you're like discovering things that maybe you thought was normal. And then you're like, wait a second, that was a weird ass thing that happened. Or that he said.

[D]

And I'm glad to be in a better place of processing it because I'm not angry anymore. If I was writing and going through it, anger, that's how it would have come out. Now it's reflection. Yeah, I had to get past the anger of the money. Just last month he asked me for. Our judgment was done. Crazy enough, the day the fires happened in LA was the Day our divorce was finalized, and he's recently I got served because he was trying to contest some of the language in the judgment about money. And it was so obvious what it was. It was so obvious. But he wanted it to read as it was written in the judgment and not from the percentage that he was allowed of it. He wanted the entire amount of money in that account and rehired his attorney to serve me. So then I again had to go to my attorney, and then I. We explained to him this is. Which is plain, like, your attorney helped come up with this, agreed to this. And then I had to send him another letter explaining it. And this attorney was like, yeah, you're right.

[F]

Does he work?

[D]

Huh. He still has a practice. He's still here.

[A]

He's still here.

[D]

Oh. Never seen him, though.

[B]

I was gonna ask.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

You haven't, like, has he, like, texted or caught any, like, email?

[D]

Only when it has to do with the money. All he has to do with that. I'll probably get something after this comes out, too.

[A]

Well, we'll get into it when we talk. Love is blind, but they're interesting enough. One of the main characters. I forget what's her name? You know, she talked about. She's sounds accomplished and she's at a hard time. Sparkle, Megan.

[E]

Sparkle Megan.

[A]

Can't give yourself a nickname. It's brutal.

[B]

Sparkle Megan is.

[D]

Anyway.

[A]

But do you feel like there was an element of a little, just, like, gender roles where, like, his jealousy came from him feeling emasculated because his wife was more successful? Do you think that added to his insecurities?

[D]

A hundred percent. But I want to take blame, too, because I was not great about. I think that I did things that emasculated him, too, if I'm really being honest. And again, this is where reflection comes in. Like, what I do think that when he. Part of the reason I chose him is because he was older, he was established, he had a career, not a job. These things were very attractive to me. He had more than me. It's another thing that people do not realize. When we got married, he had more than me. He had a condo that he owned in Miami. You know, he's older, so he had more money, you know, had saved up stuff. We were more on equal footing. Plus, he had a condo, so. And of course, you know, we weren't just thinking of the prenup thing. And, you know, I'll talk about all this later. But it made sense. I didn't have what I had now. I. It was this perfect storm where I made a lot of money during the marriage. So that's also why, like, people are like, how does he get all of this? Like, well, my success came post. I do anyways. Yes. I think that as my career grew, his didn't. And it was there became the. Why aren't you helping me? Why aren't you having this? That's why I loved when you talked about it.

[A]

You made it famous.

[D]

You had all the. All the tools. You had all the tools to do it. But it just. He was not as ambitious as I thought. And a lot, when I would go back, like, well, how did you get this? How did you get this? It wasn't like I hustled for it. Not everybody has the hustle. It was kind of like, oh, I knew this person or this person helped me, which isn't a bad thing. It's just, you come out here to LA and you start your business or you come off tv, you know, it. It's why not everybody has this studio. Not everybody has certain success. It's about the hustle. And he just didn't have that. But I, if I'm taking responsibility on my end, I, you know, tried to help. But then I saw myself get frustrated. I saw myself start to be a little resentful because it wasn't as I thought it was supposed to be. One of the biggest things I did was when it came to buying a house, put it in my name. Yep, cool. I'm glad you did. It was a hundred percent mine. And in California, if you buy a house and you're married, the person has to sign over their rights. And so I was paying for our rent. I was paying so much money, and I wasn't seeing the return on investment. So it was like, I'm in a position where I can buy a house. This is the biggest purchase that I've ever made. And I wanted it to only be in my name. And the people that knew that and publicly, I would always say, this is our house, this is us, we did this. But the people who knew were like, rachel, that is emasculating. And I was like, it's my money. Which point. And it is. But I would not change what I did.

[A]

I can see why it might be an indication of maybe the deeper sentiment of the health of the relationship. I don't necessarily see it as a emasculating. You know, if it was the other way around. You know, if. If of a man, a married couple, and the man said, hey, I want to put it into my name. What's the equip, you know, like, again, she would certainly feel a certain way about it. Like, so we. I guess we don't have a future in your house. But, like, I don't.

[D]

It's like, I think it did make him, though.

[A]

I'm sure it did make him feel that way. But is that a him problem or is that like.

[F]

And, like, is he contributing to the house?

[D]

No, no, no. Not a dime, not a penny, not. Not anything. I paid all the bills. And that's the crazy thing about divorce. At least in a community property state, you are not rewarded for being a supportive partner. For me, it was, you're building a business. I'm in a position where I can take care of the personal side of things. So why would I not do that in a marriage? And I never was like, I'm paying the bills. You're living in my house. That came after the divorce. That came when we were at, like.

[A]

Maybe it's his sleep, but like, again, like, knowing how this world works, like, I feel like he emasculated himself in the sense that, like, if you are not gonna. Don't have the hustle, whatever. But, like, he. He was in a service industry, right? And so, you know, not every, you know, if you're an accountant and you go on the Bachelor and. And you, like, go back to be an accountant, I don't know how much going on the Bachelor is going to help you out. You know, like, if you have your own business, maybe if you are an engineer, but if you're like a realtor, a lawyer, a chiropractor, if, you know, if you have your own business and you're in the service industry, going on one of these shows is such a advantage, such a layup, such a home run. I mean, all you have to do is be like, hi, aren't you the. Yeah, you can crack my back. You know, like, it's just. People want. You know, it's just. It's such a leg up on the competition. And you gave him that. One of the most likable, successful bachelorettes in the history of the franchise. He was married to her, and he couldn't make it work. And I feel like that's on him. And if, like, you know, I think not.

[D]

I think I always say that. And it's like, I know both of us were disenchanted with our careers. I loved being a lawyer. He loved being a chiropractor. But we kind of hit a place where we were plateauing, where it was like, let's see if we can do something more for me. At first I thought that I would do entertainment law and change the area of law that I was working in. But then I really loved communication and talking to people and being on the mic and having these conversations. And so I was pivoting into that and both of us were like, if none of it works, we'll go back to what it is that we did. So that's where, you know, it worked for me. It didn't work for him because I had a plan. I was like, I don't want to be on more reality TV shows unless it's going to position me to do more of what I wanted to do. It's gonna help me if it makes sense. For him, it was more of like the low hanging fruit of when is a deal gonna come? What's an event we can go to? I was very anti creating a social media presence where it was built off our relationship. So I meant that when I came on the show I was like, I didn't like posting. I didn't like putting our personal business out there per se. Sometimes it worked. Most of the times I didn't want to do that. He did. And so we just had a different vision. He wanted to use what we had to grow. I didn't. I had different plans. And so him having to go back and be a chiropractor, I think there was some maybe resentment to the word because for me, I was able to continue to leave law and I still have been able to.

[B]

Well, I'm excited for your book.

[D]

Seriously, you have no idea. Some of the stuff.

[B]

And I'm pre ordering you preorder the preorder. I pre ordered the pre order. Yes, I did.

[D]

And I. And I. And it's not like when I did my first book, it wasn't t right. I wasn't like, I'm shitting on the bachelor franchise. I'm talking about being on your seat. It was more of like a reflection of. Of me and people getting to know me as not this picture perfect bachelorette. This is gonna be tea.

[A]

Ooh.

[D]

And it's going to be helping people get through divorce and not it not be shameful. Like, I wanna talk about dating again. I wanna talk about, you know, I've never used apps. I wanna talk about being intimate for the first time when you. Cause these are real conversations that women come to me about that. I could not find a book or a conversation that dealt with this kind of stuff. So it'll be telling. I want the book to read another book of Essays to read, like, an Adele song. You know how, like, Adele comes in and she's, like, telling the story, and then, like, midway through, she's getting to that bridge and she's rising above it. And then at the end, she's like, fuck you. Still, I rise. I'm this person. Like, I. That's how I wanted to read, so I want it to be encouraging and whole in those ways, but through me telling the journey of what happened for the first time. Like, I've never talked about fertility. He spoke on it, and I'm like, thank you. You sat down with some quack about, like, the divorce, teasing parts one through three. I don't know whatever happened to the rest of it, but I don't want to do that. I'm not. I want to tell my story, but to help people through it, I want to be vulnerable in ways that people have not seen for me. Because, you know, everyone was like, oh, you know, they were lying about the relationship. No, we weren't. But, you know, I. There are things I could have been.

[A]

More honest without getting too much into it. And we'll move on after this. But obviously, divorce, to your point, I imagine you'll write a lot about it, is a very traumatic event if you have to go through it, I think, for both men and women. But, like, as you've gone out and dated, does it feel like a Scarlet Letter? A little bit. Do you feel like you have to like, oh, when do I tell him I been divorced? And have you felt a certain reaction from people?

[D]

You know what the Scarlet Letter is? It's not the divorce. It's being on the show. It's scary to. Because before I was dating, I had not done anything that was front of camera, that was public. So when I went on a couple of dates, at first it was like, well, how do I say it's gonna be like, oh, you were divorced. Well, then what happened? How did you meet your ex husband? And then it's like, oh, I have to talk about the Bachelor. And it's like. And you can see, for people who don't know, it's like, wait, what? Oh, wait, I heard about the first black bachelorette. That was you. And it's like, oh, I don't feel like going. And so you see this interest that comes, and it's like, are you interested in me, or are you just curious about this story? That's been something that's hard. And most of the dates that I've been on have been people that have their own platforms.

[A]

So do you feel like when they ask that question, it's more coming from judgment, or do you feel like. Because I relate to that. You know, it's just like, when I finished my season, I was like, I just made a personal pact. I had dated, you know, in between. I had. You know, it's a very much a fraternity. There's a comfort level with people in that experience. I had dated some people from that franchise, and once Vanessa and I broke up, I was just like, I'm not dating anyone from that franchise ever again. And I just felt like I just. I wanted to be above. Not above it, but I just wanted to move on from the show. And so a lot of the people I was interested in dating, there was an insecurity for me that I was kind of projecting out because there was a part of me that was a little bit of, like, I'm not ashamed of it, but, like, I don't. I don't put it on my bio, you know, Like, I don't.

[D]

Bachelor seasoned 12.

[B]

And so with the rose emoji.

[A]

So I. You know, it was like a very much a me problem. You know, Like, Natalie has told this story. When we first met, you know, we're. The first weekend we're out in New York, and we're walking through New York, and, you know, my. My show at that point was successful, not what it was today, but I always acted as if it was the biggest show in the world, as you should. And. And people would, like, honk and be like, how do. Like, how do they know you? I was like, I have a podcast because I was like, I wasn't gonna be like, I was on the Bachelor.

[D]

The last thing you say is the last thing. Yeah. They're like, well, even if people come.

[B]

Up to Nick and they're like, is your name Nick Viall? He's like, yeah.

[D]

Why?

[B]

How do you know it?

[D]

It's so true. It either comes out in the divorce for me, or it's like, oh, you were a lawyer. How did you get to podcasting? And it's like, oh, there was a.

[A]

I was in a city when there was a tour bus, like, an entertainment tour bus, and the tour driver was like, like, excuse me, what's your name? And without hesitation, I was like, eric.

[B]

He was like, never mind.

[A]

Yeah, like, never mind. I just kept walking.

[D]

I'll try that.

[A]

You can't hesitate. You really have to try that.

[D]

But, yeah, no, it's. I. Yeah, it's just been interesting, but, you know.

[B]

Well, on the topic of divorce, how are you Feeling about Nicole Kidman and Keith Urban's divorce.

[D]

Can I be honest what my first thought was?

[B]

Yes, please.

[A]

Mary's got a thought.

[C]

I have a thought.

[D]

I feel like I watch, I consume a lot of Nicole Kidman contact, content. And I feel like she's having this resurgence and all. The resurgence is sex.

[F]

Yes.

[D]

And sex. And it's like young man sex. Or it's like hot, steamy orgasm in there. You know what I mean?

[A]

She's about to be fucking some 25 year olds.

[D]

Yes. And I've like, I always wonder, I mean, she's an actress, she always has been. But I just wonder kind of what you're alluding to. I like country music. I'm into it more these days maybe. And I don't follow Keith Urban's career. But I just wonder with the rise of what she's doing, because there wasn't, you know, she was having kids, she had slowed down and the rise of what she's doing. And not only she's doing it, she's like hot, really doing it. Sex, sexual, sensual, all of this. I just wonder if. If that was a huge struggle for him. That was the first thought I had. I was like, hmm, yeah. Can't take it. Not every man can. And a lot of people have like dating a toddle on myself, dating a musician. So there you go. Dating an artist is hard. Like, there's a lot of ups and downs with careers and it's. Yeah, it can be very difficult. And so I just wonder for him, it takes a really strong person to see a woman do that. And then your career is a roller coaster at the same time. They always say dating in the music industry is one of the hardest in the entertainment industry.

[B]

So you're currently dating a musician.

[D]

Yeah. You guys saw him. Remember when I was walking my dog and we were driving?

[B]

That was him.

[A]

I try not to be nosy, you.

[B]

Know, we were like, oh, that's.

[D]

You guys were totally fine.

[B]

I love him.

[D]

Her brother was like, oh, this is so. And so you guys were like, hey. Yeah. I mean, it's not like a huge secret, but.

[B]

But we haven't posted them, obviously, because we don't share our relationship.

[D]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't. Well, actually, that's not true. He is on my social. But not like, hey, this is hard.

[B]

Here's my boyfriend.

[A]

Are we like official, official or are we like just situationship?

[D]

No, it's not a situationship. Like I'm. We're really dating.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

But you know, I'm. I'M having fun is how I look at it. Like I'm not dating anybody else. Okay.

[B]

Mary, what was your take on the Nicole Kidman, Keith Urban?

[C]

Oh, it's just. It's always really sad when queer relationships end.

[B]

Queer relationship.

[D]

Wait a minute. Did you say queer? Yeah. Who are we referring to?

[C]

Keith Urban, number one lesbian in the entire world.

[D]

Because of the hair. Because of the hair.

[C]

And just like if you listen to a Keith Urban song, the way he's writing, I'm like, okay, that's hilarious by the way.

[A]

Projecting.

[D]

And 19 years I didn't together that long.

[B]

It's always sad.

[A]

It's a good run. It's a good run.

[D]

It's always sad to see it. But do they have kids together? Lots. They have kids.

[B]

She's got lost.

[F]

I'm still healing from Amy Poehler and Will Arnett. And that was like two.

[C]

Don't talk to me about that.

[B]

I know.

[F]

That was devastating. Yeah, they really.

[C]

I know that.

[F]

I was like. That was like my dream. Like, you know how you have a couple that you want to go to a dinner party with? Like, that was my dream. And I was like, wow.

[B]

Shattered is irreconcilable differences. Kind of just like a. I think it's a general. That's what ours was really.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Isn't that. But that's like a catch all.

[D]

Yeah. Like you're just not getting along.

[A]

Of course it's any reconciliation. I can't say the word. But otherwise you wouldn't get divorced.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah. But I mean, some. Sometimes it's, you know, I don't know what the correct term is. It was like if there's cheating or whatever.

[F]

Infidelity.

[D]

Infidelity. Because I was like. I keep thinking adultery. I was like, that's difficult.

[F]

I watched like that campaign. I watched Legally Blonde once.

[D]

Was that the same thing? It is. But yeah, but it's sounds so dirty. Or when you can file for those things. But yeah, like irreconcilable differences.

[F]

I also feel like all the other boxes on like a divorce paper are actually really scary. Like, so I feel like that's like the go to one.

[D]

And you can always change it. You can always amend it.

[B]

Change it.

[A]

Like if you find out they did some shit.

[D]

Yeah, I think like you absolutely can amend it. It's just easier to like check all the boxes. Like spousal support, you know, if they're children. Childs. It's just easier to do it all and then you can fix it all later.

[A]

Should we talk some Salt Lake City Or Dancing with the Stars.

[B]

Let's start with Dancing with the Stars.

[A]

Let's start with dancing.

[B]

Let's start with dancing.

[F]

Whitney Carson's choreography, I love her so much.

[B]

Is just the backwards flip around Robert Irwin's neck. I was like, guys, I'm into it.

[A]

She's so little, though.

[D]

Can we talk about shake your ass, the song? Yeah. Watch yourself. I thought I was, like, listening to it in my car. Don't judge me. And so I was like, is that my radio or is that the song? She's actually. I didn't know you could say ass on Dancing with the Stars. It's just. It's just like such a. And maybe. Cause it was YouTube, so I didn't watch it live, so I don't know. But I was completely thrown off. And I thought, is that going to work against her? Isn't this a conservative audience?

[B]

Is she in?

[D]

Unless you're a man taking your shirt off.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I think they really. They've. They've done a good job of. Of getting the younger audience. I think it used to skew really, like.

[B]

I'm sorry. Just watch the.

[A]

If you were watching Dance with the Stars, you're dying.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But now I think the kiddos. The TikTok. Yeah, TikTok is really skewed it younger. It's hipper. It looks a lot more fun. They. They're doing a good job of, like, they. They've realized that people are consuming it on Tik through YouTube and it's given. It's like a fun resurgence. And I think they've made the dances a lot more fun because it's. It's like, other than Dylan's dance because he had to do the foxtrot, which is so hard.

[F]

So hard.

[A]

Like, because you're just. It's always. It's all about framing, framing. And, like, you can't. It's hard to everyone else, like, they're having fun. They're goofing around. They have the facial expression. Expressions like. Like, the foxtrot's so serious. I always dance scared when I was on it. Yeah. Cause you're counting the whole time. You're like, oh, shit. Also, I think it's just a missed opportunity when Dylan doesn't take his shirt off.

[B]

I feel like they've got to be saving it for something special. You know, they're like, he can't take his shirt off every single dance.

[A]

Did you see? Did you see? He posted a reel with his dance partner. I was a little turned on. I texted him and told him about it. Sorry. Every once in a while, Natalie will wait.

[E]

Which one was it? The one where he, like, twirled or.

[A]

The. The hips. The hips. Oh, it was hot.

[D]

Guys, he looked terrible.

[A]

The foxtrot's hard. The foxtrot.

[D]

No, no, no, no. The hips thing.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You saw that.

[D]

The real video. Yeah. He was, like, a second behind.

[A]

He's not a dancer, which can be.

[D]

Count, but, I mean, look, I loved watching him and the effort and put. I couldn't do it. But I was also like, he's not killing. He's just Dylan Efron, who comes across as so likable and so nice.

[A]

Truly a golden retriever.

[D]

Have any enemies? Like, I just don't get it. He's just such a nice guy. But you're right. He's not a dancer. And I feel like with Dancing with the Stars, there's always this battle of people who want the Dylan Efrons or people who want the Hillary Baldwins. And I'm saying it like that.

[B]

Hillary.

[D]

Hillary.

[F]

Thank you.

[A]

Cause Hillary's almost too good.

[D]

Yes. And so I want to see a Dylan. I want to see somebody grow. I want to be surprised. I want to see them struggle.

[A]

Some weeks, like, Robin Robert is doing, like, unexpectedly really good, where you're like, he's not too good.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, we're like Whitney crushing it, but she's like. She's been taking class, you know.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I mean, I think the fact that Jen had a baby a month ago is she just deserves to have the mirror ball because of that.

[D]

Incredible. Like, that's the kind of story I want to see when I watch Dancing with the Stars. Yes.

[A]

Jen so far, fun.

[B]

She's so fun.

[E]

She did the Mamacita thing.

[F]

I feel like that's gonna happen with Dylan, too, though, because it's like he's really trying. So it's like, you. You almost appreciate the effort going forward, but I'm like, if he does end up cleaning it up and becoming, like, a little bit more direct with his moves, I'm like, he could win.

[D]

Right.

[F]

But it's like, it's because it is somebody you want to root for, but also because he's not the best dancer starting off correct.

[D]

Correct. I want to see growth.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

I almost feel like with, like, a Hillary, it's going to work against her, because I don't know if you saw the TikTok where. I'm deep in the TikTok these days. Get it. I don't know if you saw the TikTok where they Were saying that she competed in ballroom against some of the pros. That'll definitely work in Deli.

[A]

That definitely works against her. Like, when I was on it, Heather from Glee was on it, and she's like, literally a professional dancer. And the week she was eliminated, she got all tens, but it was just like, yeah, no, you can.

[D]

We want to start.

[A]

You're a professional dancer.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, I feel like with Hilaria Baldwin, the only surprise is, like, what accent she's gonna pull out, not what dance she's gonn.

[B]

You know, I mean, Alan, was it. Is it Alan?

[A]

Alec Baldwin?

[B]

No, no, the Richter.

[D]

Yes.

[B]

Alan Richter.

[A]

Andy Richter.

[D]

Put some. Just. Love you. Love you, Andy.

[B]

I do not know that, man.

[A]

I do. Sorry about that.

[B]

Sorry to that. Sorry to that, man. But he. I mean, like, his was so sweet. Him grabbing the camera was so sweet that, like, voting for him immediately.

[D]

That's who. Yeah, that's who. I like, even Alex Earl, I was like, she. She's doing.

[F]

She's doing.

[D]

She's. And they're even. But she has Val. If I ever did Dancing with the Stars, that's who I want. I want Val. I want him. Because everyone's like, he's tough. He's on it. And if I was a guy, I would want Daniella.

[B]

Ooh. Yeah. I think Daniella and Whitney are two of, like, the best choreographers.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Whitney's really good.

[A]

Val's really good, too.

[B]

But. Yeah, out of. Yeah.

[F]

Why am I blank? Jordan. Jordan Chiles, I think, is my number one.

[D]

I think she's good.

[F]

She's so good. And I was like, I understand that she's a professional gymnast, but she has.

[A]

That going against her, too.

[F]

But she has that going against her. But I was like, the whole thing with gymnast is that everything is supposed to be, like, stiff and, like, stick it. And so, like, that's where I'm like, for her to be able to, like, move her body and use fluidity, like, that is a new skill for her. So I'm like. It is really impressive. And she's so fucking good every episode.

[B]

But they do. I mean, for, like, floor routine, you know, like, there's a lot of dancing.

[F]

It's like flips and, like, whatnot. And it's like.

[D]

It is stiff.

[F]

Yeah, it's very, like, here's the arms up, and then now I'm running and I'm flipping. But, like, she's.

[D]

She's moving, I think. Yeah. I mean, they said it was her best one this week, and I think that she was really feeling it. I like that she got super emotional. I like. I. I like to see people cry.

[F]

Me, too.

[D]

I'm an emotional person. So I just. Because I. I've danced. Wait, I'm not a dancer. Let me just disclaimer. But I've done a performance, and there is something emotional about it that when you finish, you just feel like if you put it all out there, the tears come out, too. So when I saw her at the end of this, I'm like, I get it. I get it. You're like, I did that. I accomplished something.

[F]

And what was she saying? She said something, like, about how the anxiety and the pressure of what she goes through as an athlete, like, for her to be able to leave it on the floor meant so much to her. And I'm just like, all right, get it.

[B]

There was a lot of the floor spinning of the women, which I feel like if that's in your routine and you go last and you watch everyone above you do it. I remember last season.

[A]

It's like wearing a red dress.

[B]

Who was it that did the back?

[D]

Oh. Oh.

[B]

It was like Joey and Danny both did a backflip in their thing. And I remember, like, one. I don't know who went first, but one of them was like, fuck. Like, we also have a backflip.

[D]

Like, you know, that was our big move. Is it fair that Alex Earle got to do a TikTok dance in her routine?

[F]

Right.

[D]

I mean, they. They credited the choreographer in it at the end of it.

[A]

Oh, you better leave it. Oh, really?

[D]

But they were. They were like, yeah, with. With moves by Molly, whatever. But the whole, like, the first few seconds, it was a TikTok.

[A]

I do think it's unlike. Cause again, Dylan had the foxtrot compared to some of these other dances where they got to, you know, shimmy and bop like they're at a wedding, and Dylan's like, one, two.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

It's so much different and harder. And the foxtrot's more like, who do they pick? It's hard to get behind.

[B]

Do they pick their dance style or.

[A]

Do the producers do, like. Like, unlike, you know, like the Bachelor or all some of these other competition shows where producers can really fuck with your emotions. Like, Dancing with the Stars is mostly just a fun experience. You do have some producers who have come from other shows, and there's not much, like, emotional fuckery that producers can do. The little bit that they can do is, like, give you various dances that maybe you're not in love with or that are More difficult. And that's where there's not much drama on Dancing with the Stars. But if there's any, it's stuff like that, right?

[D]

Would that be interesting if they did? Because what I've always. When I used to do interviews of Dancing with the Stars, I was like, gosh, you guys, it's a competition. But y' all love each other. Y' all are all such good friends. Should there be where they're not sometimes? I've never seen it.

[A]

I would love a little, like, dance drama.

[D]

Like, you know, and, like, most of my song or they stole my.

[B]

And, like, most of the pros are married to each other, dating each other, so it's like, y' all probably don't even really have that much competition against each other.

[C]

What if they put, like, Abby Lee Miller in there as one of the judges and just saw what. What would happen?

[A]

Well, my intro package on week one, I was. I was around and joking, but I was, like, talking. I had Normani on, and I was, like, calling them fourth Harmony, and. And, you know, it was like, a joke.

[D]

I think that's funny. Yeah, I feel like I would do that. I'd be like, yeah. So I walked past so and so's room this weekend.

[B]

They sucked.

[D]

They sent me home next week.

[A]

That would be great.

[F]

I mean, that would give us some spice.

[A]

That would really help for ratings.

[C]

Do like, a full, like, WWE type of just, like, fake drama for Dancing with the Stars. I think I would eat it up.

[F]

Backstage just a little bit.

[D]

Just in the beginning.

[A]

My dream is for my wife to do it someday.

[B]

Oh, I know.

[D]

He's so sweet.

[B]

He's got big dreams.

[D]

You would want to do.

[F]

You want to?

[B]

I would do it.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I would do it. Yeah. I don't, you know, don't know what the audience would be like.

[A]

I don't know who the she is. You're about to be the host of a. The. The new, hottest dating show on Netflix.

[D]

That's true. Yeah, that's true.

[B]

Age of attraction, 2026. It's a banger. Well, speaking of spicy things, we have Salt Lake City, episode 4.

[D]

5.

[A]

I could watch Todd and Brawn all day long. Eat lunch all day long for two hours.

[F]

Just.

[A]

I'm always trying to figure out who hates each other more or if they're. If. If he's just, like, mailing it in because he loves his wife and doing a scene. It's so. And as a couple, that has a bit of an age gap, and I don't mean this with any disrespect. Because we love Bron. And I have not met Todd yet, but, like, I am so grateful we don't present as them.

[D]

No. Yeah. Guys, you wouldn't be able to do this show. You would not be able to work together.

[A]

Robin looks so good and so fresh.

[B]

And him and that half zip polo sweater was.

[A]

And that grandpa sweater. That whole, like, the sweater doesn't help. I need him wearing.

[C]

I'm sorry. I love Todd.

[A]

No, I love Todd. I'm not trying to talk, but maybe put him like it in an All.

[D]

Saints, you know, genuine. I love that there is such a stark contrast between two of them. I love first off, they're always. We're always watching them sit down to eat. Yeah, I love. Because I feel like that's the only thing they do together. That's the only thing Todd is like this. The only thing I'm going to be on camera doing. I have to eat anyway.

[A]

Sugar and iced tea.

[D]

It just eye rolls. Such a curmudgeon. I.

[A]

Such a curmudgeon.

[D]

I just adore it.

[F]

But if you put it in All Saints, then you just get PK and we don't need that.

[C]

I want to see that man's new balances. And I want him in like, I want him to shop at Costco.

[A]

Why? Why does he has such a hard time? Like, I was surprised that he was so self conscious about Brawin, acknowledging that he stepped up and helped support.

[B]

Yeah, that was weird.

[A]

Her parents, like, as if he didn't want her.

[B]

Well, if you have no idea what we're talking about and you missed the most recent episode of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, here is your rapid recap. We've got taglines and Meredith is dropping beats. Baby Lisa reminds us she knows famous people. She also reminds us that people that know famous people always get sued. And it's like, not a big deal. Todd is trying to be nicer after getting clowned at the reunion. But also Bronwyn's mom moved in, so she's also trying to learn that it's okay when people don't like you. Sounds like she should call into Ask Nick. Look, low key. Angie wants Electra to make being Greek her whole personality, but Electra doesn't seem to care. Might I suggest having her read some more Percy Jackson? Bronwyn's mom says she needs Todd's money and also reminds her that he's going to die one day. Love the moms. Heather is not clinically depressed. She is effective. Same girl. Same girl. Mary writes These in the craziest fashion. Lisa only brings the gals ski shooting, so no one shoots her in the back. Fair enough, diva. Also, Amy is there. Who is this girly Amy? I want to know more. Lisa makes a presentation to prove she's innocent. However, the only thing it proves is that she needs to get a Canva Pro account and maybe take a course. All the lawsuits are dismissed because it's none of our fucking business. Apparently, Lisa and Bronwyn got into another argument. But the most important thing to note at this lunch is that Mary's sunglasses and little hat are eating down. Oh, and that Lisa thinks Angie is trying to be Jinshaw. Meredith says she defends splendid Lisa while camping, which, sure. And Whitney goes absolutely nuclear on Lisa for lying about her lawsuit, throws a napkin at her, and storms off. But it is weird that Todd is, like, frustrated that he has to help his wife's sick in laws or his. In laws.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, why are. Why are you upset about that?

[A]

I take great pride in. In that ability.

[D]

I've just felt like we were missing something. And I'm gonna. I'm gonna add to that because Bronwyn's side flip kept changing. So if. And the only reason I know this is because I was watching it with someone, and I was like, do you like Bronwyn's bob? Cause I'll go back and forth with a bob. And they were like, yeah, well, I don't like it that way. The side part. And I was like, no, it looks really good. And then we were like, wait, it looks better from one side to the other side. That's the only reason I noticed that, because I love Bronwyn's haircut. So I feel like there was stuff that was cut out, so I didn't understand why. I don't know if she had to keep repeating it over and over again. And maybe that's why we were getting the eye roll. Something wasn't there, because I don't think Todd has an issue with helping her out with her family, because we've seen what he's done with her daughter, and he's very protective over her. And he's like, I'm not talking about that on camera. We're not talking about him. So I'm just a Todd apologist. I'm just a toddler. Just as a man.

[A]

I also like it when he was like, you know, when Brodwin's just, like, acknowledging that she cares about what people think and she wants Lisa's validation. And he's the, like, why the Fuck yeah.

[B]

No, I did love him being like, she said horrible things about you.

[A]

You should never be friends with her, period.

[B]

Write this person off.

[F]

My favorite was when he was like, a lot of people hate you. What are you talking about? And I was like, well, you know.

[D]

I wouldn't say it like that.

[A]

The Facebook comments.

[D]

I gotta know his sign.

[B]

The Facebook comments.

[D]

You know what? You know why I think she wants to be around Lisa? It's how I feel about Tamara. Tamara says from Real Housewives of OC Just for people who don't. For the audience. Tamara says horrible things about. But everybody wants to be around Tamara because she's fun. And I think the same thing about Lisa. There's a charm. They're fun. And it's like, even if I don't trust you or I have my boundaries, I still want to hang out with you because it's just cool to be around you. And I think that's what you get from Lisa, why people want. I mean, Lisa would probably say it's because she's above them and she lives a life.

[F]

She knows famous people. None of these women know how she's lives because it's so different.

[C]

None of them could ever imagine being.

[F]

When you run a big business when in.

[C]

None of them could ever imagine being close in distance to Ben Affleck. It's not like they're all famous on.

[A]

D. But she's such the cliche of if you have to constantly brag about your success and you constantly have to boast about how big and bad your life is. Like, it's just, it's just not like the real successful people are being like, they're not talking about houses, they have, have, you know, they're like, they're, they're, they're low key, they're, they don't want people to know. And the other people, you know, it's like I get, I get sued because I have so much money. It's like, yeah, I guess Lisa just.

[F]

Kind of gives me like Regina George of Salt Lake City. But like self proclaimed. Like in a sense to where she's like, I'm better than you. But I'm like, I'm watching all these women who clearly don't like her pretending to want to be her friend.

[B]

Yes. And also it's crazy how at that, at lunch or whatever, she has all these posters dismissed, dismissed, dismissed. And then they're all like, but can we ask you? She's like, yeah, ask me anything. And then they're like, well, why did you. And she's it's none of your fucking business.

[F]

She said, I gave you all the facts right here. And I was like, the way that she also photoshopped her. Her face onto them.

[D]

No sp.

[A]

I brought it here so you can read these. And they're like, we have everything we.

[C]

Really need to put a stop to, like, the housewives with the boards.

[F]

Yes.

[C]

Like, there's so many.

[D]

I love this moment. I love. Because it's. Everyone says so. Like, city is campy. And they're just always extreme. And it just works for them.

[B]

It does.

[D]

I had Lisa on my podcast yesterday, Marley Krupp. And I think the funniest thing. We had to cut some of it out, but per. Bravo. But the funniest thing to me was she didn't know I was an attorney. So she's talking to me, explaining the law to me. And she's literally like, well, you know when this and this. This happens and this person has had this legal trouble? And she was. And it's allegations. They speak as facts. It's not facts. And she's saying something, and she says something wrong. And I'm like, okay, so, you know, criminal doesn't settle. Right? And I'm like, I. I was like, they don't. You don't settle a criminal case. That's a civil thing. And she's like, yeah, well. And I was like, well, I have a legal background. She's like, oh, my God, then you totally get it. And it was so fun. And like this. I'm not trying to shade. It was. She just didn't know I was an attorney. But it was so funny the way she handled it, you know, she, like, didn't miss a beat.

[A]

No, she's very quick.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You know? Yeah.

[D]

She also told me she doesn't name drop. And I hadn't seen the episode yet. And so I'm watching this episode. Like, what?

[F]

I mean, episode one was Ben and Blake, and it was just like, huh?

[B]

And it was first names only. Yeah, Ben and Blake.

[F]

I'm on a first name.

[D]

She went to south by Southwest. She went to south by Southwest. And. And I don't know what kind of event. So it was like. It's not like they invited her. That's how she presents it. She was doing something with a business like an activation. Yeah.

[A]

Because it was for the Steve Carell. It was like that billionaire movie on Netflix of Mount Something kind of weird movie.

[D]

Yeah. Steve's not walking in.

[A]

Do you think he knew he was gonna get name dropping?

[F]

How are you, my girl?

[A]

Speaking of name dropping, about Steve Carell, we saw him at Gelson's like six months ago.

[B]

Yes, we did.

[D]

Were you there with Nina Barker? Because she saw him at Gelson'. She likes to shop at Gelson's.

[A]

It's the same.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

We all live in the same neighborhood. She saw him at Gelson's too. And I don't. Maybe this was like six months ago or something like that.

[B]

Yeah, it was like six months ago.

[F]

It was the same day.

[D]

It was closer to the buyers time. Our room was like. It was. It was.

[B]

Yeah. And I like, almost hit him with my cart and I was like, coming around the thing and I was like, oh, I'm so sorry. And he just wears his hat and.

[D]

He'S like, oh, it's okay.

[B]

You know, and he's got like. I'm like, I can't. He wants to be normal so bad. Like, he's shopping, he's grocery shopping. This is the last.

[A]

And we didn't know him.

[B]

Absolutely. I'm like, steve who?

[D]

In the Valley. In the Valley.

[B]

I can do that in the Valley. Yeah.

[C]

Not if you're not. If you're Lisa Barlow, though, you will be referencing that as if Steve Carell is your best friend because you saw him with the shopping cart at Kelson.

[F]

We actually planned it at the same time to show up.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Be like, oh, me and Steve, we grocery shop. We grocery shop together.

[F]

I'm better than you.

[B]

It's crazy that Lisa's getting so upset over being compared to Jen Shaw. When she like, tweeted that Bronwyn was like Jen Shaw this episode, she called Angie that she's trying to be Jen Sh. It's like, I guess everyone just wants at this point. She's like, well, you have the. Her same hair girl and her brow girl. That means you want to be her. I'm like, I feel like it's just a small town.

[F]

That's was Angie being like, I am the hair girl.

[B]

Not hair, but brow.

[C]

One could say, to quote Angie saying Mary Cosby is a grandfather mfer as Jen Shaw did. And Lisa saying that Bronwyn is a gout dick sucker is similar.

[B]

It is similar to find out that you can get. That's all you can get. Gout in your dick.

[A]

In your dick.

[F]

I have to do a shout out, though, to the editors this episode when Lisa's talking about her lawyers and she's like, I have six of them up. When I saw Viola Davis at first, I was like, that's Johnny Depp's lawyer. Oh, Wait, that's the dude from suits. And I was like, oh, my God, genius.

[D]

That was a good thing.

[B]

And then they're like, illegal legal team.

[F]

But it's all, like, characters from, like, TV shows.

[B]

They felt like a disclaimer.

[D]

Yeah, it was great. These are not, in fact, her attorneys. If she has as many businesses as she says, which why would I doubt she is right. You do get. You are. You are opening yourself up for more lawsuits. That's fine. But what I couldn't get over, she kept saying, dismiss, dismiss, dismiss. And somebody finally said, yeah, but there's still one. The one we're talking about about is not dismissed. And that's what she kept saying to me. Allegations. They're allegations. They're not facts. And then I go. I said to her, I can't remember if this is in the podcast or not. And I said, yeah, but like, she's like, you can file a lawsuit for anything. She says that on this episode. And I'm like, but it's still going on. You also can get it dismissed for being frivolous, yet it's still going on. And she was like, yeah, but, Allie. I'm like, okay, doesn't mean it's fact.

[C]

Like, that's true, but can I lawsuit get dismissed? If you settle it out of court as well.

[D]

If you settle it.

[C]

If it's settled, like, out of court wouldn't be qualified as dismissed.

[D]

Yeah. Yeah. So.

[F]

So it's not okay.

[A]

Yeah, that's what those ladies were saying. It's just like. Just because it's dismissed means you. You finally paid them back, right?

[D]

Yeah. She didn't answer that.

[F]

No, she was like, broden was smooth with that one. She was like, so dismissed as in you paid back the money you owed?

[B]

No, no, no. But also, she's like. She's like, but there's one that's still not. She's like, well, yeah, but it's. And they're like, but you wrote dismissed on it. You were just, like, stamping dismissed.

[D]

But I loved it.

[B]

I appreciated it.

[D]

The whole circumstance of it all. This is what I want out of my house 100%.

[A]

I'm never bored with Salt Lake City.

[D]

No.

[B]

God, no.

[C]

And then Whitney redhead. Whitney era is my favorite thing in the world.

[B]

I love it.

[C]

I love it.

[A]

She.

[C]

She's choosing violence for everything this season.

[D]

She's got to. She's hanging on. Yeah, she's, like, barely hanging on. She's got to. Like, she doesn't really. I mean, I know she's opening up about her business but she has no choice. Like, we need more from Whitney, otherwise she's gonna be replaced with Amy, which I said a couple of weeks ago. I'm like, this Amy's being introduced for a reason. You know, them saying, oh, we don't really have many socialites. Which I think Lisa would argue differently that she's one. But we. This Amy's one, and then we see her again on this episode.

[B]

Were you confused by that party? That was like, the best party in Salt Lake City. And it was like, at the community hall center. It literally looked like a convention. Like, convention. I was like, the lights were so bright in there. I'm like, this is where the best party in Salt Lake City.

[F]

I almost feel like a testament to having a good party in Salt Lake City is, did the women show up and did they have a fight in it? If not, your party sucks.

[A]

It was Brittany Light, which was a bummer because I always miss God.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

There was not a lot of Britney Brittnay. We needed it.

[D]

Sometimes I'm for. I was fine not having her this episode. I was fine because I wanted us to stay on track. I feel like when we get. And I actually really. I really appreciate Brittany and what she brings. Like, I want her on the show, but we didn't need her in this moment. Like, even when she chimed in a little bit with Meredith, you. I'm like, all right, Britney. No, no, not right now. We're having a real fight here.

[F]

I have an announcement.

[D]

Yeah. Brittany, man, she's such a theater kid.

[B]

And I love it.

[C]

So Whitney storming out, and Mary being like, whitney, sit down. And Whitney being like, I can't. She triggered me. I'm like, this is incredible.

[D]

Whitney got in her face. I was like. I thought she was gonna throw the napkin and walk out. She came around. Yeah. And I was like, listen to me, Lisa. And I was like, yeah, let's go with her arms.

[B]

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[A]

That couple, he knew he was so. He knew he was going to be so charming.

[B]

Really goofy.

[A]

The one who cried.

[B]

He was crying about his teacher. He was in foster care.

[A]

Can we get the cast photos up?

[D]

I'm obsessed with that man. She kept saying my love. So I was like, what is his name?

[A]

His leg cross on the, on the couch. Like he always had a new position.

[C]

That was like he was getting so excited.

[F]

It was so cute.

[A]

I don't know how, how can you and one be so charming?

[D]

I, I will. I'm not even going to lie. I've, I've taken a couple of seasons off of Love is Blind because I don't like the beginning episodes. Really. I, I, I want to see. I love when they meet each other. I will never get over the fall. Falling in love.

[A]

The awkward proposal.

[D]

You fall in love in one way and then you have to. I just, it's just so genius to me. But watching him is the reason that I'm like, I might have to fully watch this season.

[A]

We hear this season's good.

[D]

Obsessed with him.

[A]

Minnesota was kind of.

[B]

Do you feel like Calabria is gonna be like, do you think she realizes how nerdy he is?

[D]

How could she not? He rollerblades across the uk. She's like, I don't want to do that with you. I'm active.

[A]

But he also plays football. He also plays for.

[D]

That's what's going to throw her off.

[B]

Yeah, totally.

[D]

Cornerback, defense. But she said corner. Which corners are. You can be.

[A]

You can be five, nine.

[D]

The right question. She should have said, what division? What were you? Scholarship. These are questions I would have asked as a sports fan.

[A]

D3. Honestly, it could go.

[F]

But I'm with her. I wouldn't even know where to ask and pick what position. Sounds great.

[D]

Yeah, she better. She was the one who's had, had that quote that I. She was like, you know how they say. And I was like, no, I don't know how they said. I never heard that. She said, you have to fallen out of love with your type to fall. Oh yeah. I was like, who says that Anyways? Then if that's the case, then she better be all in with this guy. I love the teacher, but he's handsome. No, no, he's, he's like, he's cute. He's got, like, that nerdy, like, appeal that I do really think is cute. I like his style. I like that he. I love a male teacher. I love a male teacher.

[B]

So do we know why his fifth grade teacher saved him? He's like.

[A]

He kind of moved on from that.

[D]

The tears. Because, you know, producer was like, all right, he's been crying for 30 minutes.

[B]

Move on. Like, threw the speaker into the room.

[D]

Like, move on.

[A]

Anton and Ally, they got engaged. Episode one.

[D]

Yeah, I'm hoping he.

[A]

Is he the definition of ugly? Hot?

[B]

I don't know.

[F]

Just different things work for different.

[A]

Because it works for him.

[C]

It does work for him, but he's not your.

[A]

You know, he's not, like, traditionally. Yeah, traditionally pretty.

[D]

But it does. It's like the dark. I think the. The dark hair, the dark beard, the thick eyebrows. It works.

[A]

What a miss for him. And left in a cliffhanger. Nally pointed out. But at the reveal, he had his glasses on top of his head.

[B]

And then when the doors opened, he went immediately to squint mode.

[D]

I'm like, can you not see her?

[A]

But your glasses work for you, bro. They're part of your uniform.

[D]

They're like a part of your.

[B]

I don't care if they're sunglasses or reading glasses. They should never be on top of a man's head, like, ever.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

They don't belong there.

[D]

No. Do not belong. Gotta go back and look at. It's crazy, but did I miss something? Did he not right before they expressed I love you. Say he wasn't sure. Yeah. Okay. I was like, I know I'm watching this quickly, but. Okay. Okay. We were.

[B]

Nick and I were both like, whoa.

[D]

Love you. Holy shit. But he also really.

[C]

He hesitated before. Before you said I love you.

[D]

He did.

[A]

They do that sometimes, though, in, like, the edit with Love is Blind. I don't. I don't love it. Where they'll. They'll always have an engaged couple episode. Like, they. It's. It's pretty typical to leave episode one on this cliffhanger reveal. And they don't go in sequential order. Right. Like, clearly, like, they gave. They gave, like, an attempt at what was like a montage, but kind of really give you one clip to. To basically implement. Imply they've had a few dates. This isn't like a second date, because if you weren't paying attention, it felt like literally a second date where they got engaged.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

I wanted to see more of it, but I think they were.

[B]

Even his silhouette.

[D]

Crazy great eye. Natalie, wait.

[A]

On top of his head.

[B]

Watch as soon as the doors open.

[D]

What are you doing?

[B]

The glasses do work for him, so.

[A]

It'S like they really frame the nose.

[F]

And everything, you know, it's like one person that was like, oh, my God, you look so much better.

[D]

You're so right.

[B]

Wear your glasses.

[F]

That is hilarious, that.

[D]

I love that. So. Okay, I have to watch. I have to watch more.

[B]

I do love Ally, though. I think she's so sweet.

[D]

Yeah, that's her, right?

[B]

Elisa or something.

[A]

She goes by Ali, but I don't know.

[B]

She goes by Ally, but she was saying that her real name. And he's like, something Panini.

[F]

She's saying that her name.

[A]

She's Brazilian.

[F]

Was that.

[D]

Did I make that up, guys?

[B]

No, No.

[D]

I might have been watching different shows. I could have sworn there somebody has, like five. Someone who's.

[B]

No, no, that is her.

[D]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

Yeah, that is her.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, that is her. The. Yeah. Sparkle Megan. I like. If I ever. If the first time I meet Nick, I'm like, hey, so my dad calls me Natsky.

[A]

Don't give me a nickname, okay?

[B]

Like, let your friends call you that.

[D]

I do say Big rage sometimes, but I wouldn't leave. I wouldn't lead. You'd have to ask me. Do you have a nickname? Totally. I'm not gonna be friends. My friends call me. But who's still saying. My friends call me this? Who's spending enough time with their friends.

[B]

That you're still getting, like, the nickname on a regular basis? You didn't know me at 12.

[F]

You do not have a nickname for me.

[D]

Do you remember the Love is Blind with the guy who was so afraid of people dating him for his money, but then with lead with money talks.

[A]

Yeah. Leo.

[B]

Yes, Leo, the art dealer.

[E]

Okay.

[B]

That's totally.

[D]

You know what I mean?

[B]

I'm not gonna disclose what kind of car I drive right now. What kind of car is it?

[D]

It is annoying that he keeps.

[A]

That's what I wanted. I wanted to ask you as a very successful, accomplished woman who, you know, has gone through a divorce. We went. Talked about.

[B]

We read in the pair you drive a Porsche.

[D]

The emblem is masterful.

[A]

And we have a lot of accomplished women who listen to the show on Ask Nick.

[D]

We.

[A]

We talk about relationships, and it's a. It seems to be like a theme or a trope, whatever you want to call it. And I. And I see both sides because I'm sure there are. There are a lot of. Of insecure men. I do. Who naturally I will like, who feel emasculated by dating a woman with success, that's a real thing that I don't doubt that women can and do feel often in relationships if they're accomplished and especially if you. And I've always said like, you know, even for me, me, like when I moved out to la, I'm, I'm like co. I'm like living in my buddy's place, you know, I left my job, like date. I didn't realize this in the moment, but like dating for me was like, I was, I was never gonna settle down in that period of time where I was like, I'm, I'm, I don't know what I'm doing in a year. Because I think as a guy, if you don't like, know, you know, if your future hasn't figured out career wise, it's very hard for you to commit to anything because you don't feel successful.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

So I think that's a real thing. But if you are a woman out there dating and you are successful, just the way she presents it, where it's almost like, is it that, is it just that or is that like an excuse that you internalize? Where it's just like, well, maybe you're just dating, maybe it's just different men, you know, where it's just like, if you are that successful at a certain age, at a certain point in your life, you must recognize you need to stop dating a certain type of guy who will feel that way around you. But, but how do you feel about that? Because it's, I feel like sometimes it's used as an excuse. Like we will, we won't acknowledge the role we play in our bad decisions as daters and eventually we have to like start making different decisions. And I, you know, when the way she said it, it just kind of came across as like an, an eye roll for me. But maybe I'm being a little too critical.

[D]

No, I mean, also it seems like she leads with it. And so if that's what you're leading with, if what we're getting is how you actually are in the dating world, it's a little off putting. And I, it can already, I think, make maybe a man who's insecure or feels a little less than feel even worse. And if you're constantly talking with that, like that becomes your personality, which it feels like, then, yeah, it's a little off putting or it's going to be detrimental to a relationship with the guy who maybe isn't on your level. Whereas if you don't lead with that, it's such an interesting conversation because I know a lot of women, particularly in LA, that are successful and single and are in their 30s, early 40s, and dating's really hard. And there is this misconception, and I think she says it of because I'm this. Men expect that. I want that as well. And if they're not that, then they start feeling a certain way. And she's right. People see you and they're like, oh, she wants someone who's like this. But when a woman, a lot of times, not all women are like this, but like when a woman is established and she's got all these things, what's missing from her life are things that aren't necessarily materialistic, but there's this perception that that is exactly what we want. Men already come feeling a little bit insecure and so it makes dating hard. When. I will also add that when I have met men who are successful, they actually are turned off by me being equally successful. They want somebody who maybe isn't as. Yep.

[A]

Like, they want to be. They want someone impressed by their own success.

[D]

Yeah. Like, yeah.

[F]

They want a cheerleader.

[D]

Or I see those men want to infantilize the women sometimes. And of course that's not all successful, but in my experience, I've seen that or my friends experience that as well. So what I think's so interesting about her setup right now, I'm really interested in her story. She's presented with two men, one who is successful. I'm not even gonna count. The one guy who keeps asking about the car. Yeah.

[B]

Oh, the younger guy with the kid.

[D]

The first guy. She keeps saying that. Jordan. Their lifestyles are totally different. It's Blay who got, first of all.

[B]

Jordan, who got snipped after one kid.

[A]

Loves being a father but got snipped. I'm so confused by that.

[D]

Yeah, what's that? He got scared.

[B]

It was a one night stand. Yeah.

[D]

He must have had like a bad experience or it could be because, you know, he is really like, his child has. Was born with diabetes and so, like, maybe he's scared of another child. I don't know.

[A]

He's a fuck boy. Had a one night stand, had a kid.

[B]

I'm like, never again.

[D]

He's scared. He's scared.

[E]

I love Jordan.

[D]

She's clocking it. She's clocking it. But Blake and then Mike, it's like Mike matches her on paper. But is that always good? Blake seems to be the other person, like, offers something more of. I feel like the missing puzzle piece.

[A]

What was this club that, that Mike said he was a part of like, like this guy group where he's like.

[B]

Wellness club or something.

[A]

Yeah. Like how these six pillars.

[C]

I didn't trust that.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Seems like it seemed like an mlm.

[A]

You're. You're in a cult.

[D]

Yes. It's giving like. And this is no shade. It's like, like Tony Robbins. I listen to those kind of people. I pop a. Almost at a CD in I turn on my podcast or whatever and it's like I'm listening to motivational stuff about how great of a man I am. How like that's the energy that he gives me.

[A]

I think it's good to have role models and look to be self improved, but not so much that you come on a TV show and lead and talk about it. It being like a core tenet in your life, almost as if like it's your religion.

[D]

Yeah. I read something that women who. I'm not saying this is a person because I don't want any sh. I actually would love to have him on my podcast, but women who've date men who listen to Joe Rogan, that's an immediate turn off for them.

[B]

Oh, I feel like I saw this somewhere. It was like a.

[D]

And I'm not saying he listens to a Joe Rogan again, like I actually that's my dream podcast guest. I don't listen to Joe Rogan. I have a lot of issues with him. But I, I want the conversation. But he gives me that energy of not maybe I listen to Joe Rogan, but like I'm in like the manosphere type. Yes. And so I, I think that I would have clocked that. I feel like if I were her of an immediate, like, wait a minute.

[A]

But I think there's a difference between say like someone who, let's say a guy listens to Joe Rogan and just. It's not his thing. As opposed to a guy who like, you'll know on the second date where he listens to Joe Rogan, he's like, I was listening to Joe Rogan episode.

[B]

And Joe said, actually cauliflower is bad for you.

[D]

It's a personality trait.

[A]

If you just happen to like, if it's on your playlist every once in a while because you listen to five of them, you know.

[D]

Yeah, for sure. For sure. But yeah, he's. There's something. I hope she doesn't pick a mic. Yeah.

[B]

And I think I like Blake for her.

[D]

Yeah. Because maybe of her trauma in dating she has. Is particularly drawn to him because maybe she hasn't had someone like him, but it would be a disaster.

[B]

It is crazy how many of these people we've never seen.

[A]

Oh. Because they always cast, like, 30 and focus on 10. I will say, though, I don't care how successful you are. I will say that every guy, I don't care if he's ultra successful or not. And I don't think it's a bad thing. I think men do and need. They need a cheerleader. Like, men, all men need. They want someone to believe in them. You know, they need to do their part and, you know, if they're going to date someone equally successful. I think both people want a cheerleader, and I think successful people, they want that validation, you know, they want someone who's proud of them, who sees their effort, their grind, their hustle, you know, So I don't think it's a bad thing to want someone be a cheerleader. It just has to be if you're going to be two people in a successful relationship. Relationship, you have to, like, mutually respect each other. We're watching not reality tv, we're watching Black Rabbit right now on Netflix, okay? And it's got Jude Law. It's got Jason Bateman. And one of the characters, Jude Law's best friend is like, you don't really know what. He's a successful man. He's like an artist musician. And him. Him and his girlfriend who, like, goes to Jude Law, they're breaking up. And she talks about. About how, like, I'm living your life. She's like this interior designer, and it's just like, he bit, you know, when I bring that up. Because, like, he just thinks she's supposed to be grateful for existing, right? Like, she's this there, and she's, like, happy for him, but she doesn't just want to be grateful to be there. She wants him to also, like, root for her, too. But you know what I'm saying? So I think it's okay to want and have a cheerleader, but there needs to be reciprocity, especially if that other person you're dating gives a shit about their career and their accomplishments, because I don't care who you are. Like, even if you, like, Natalie loves being a mom. And she, you know, like, we together make a good trad wife. But, like, there are. But they're like, she gives a shit about, like, being, like, other things outside of being a mom, you know? And I think, you know, I think sometimes in relationships we will, like, forget about our partner's passions and our interests and just see Them as like along for the road. They're. They're useful in your life as opposed to. To like how do they support each other's dreams?

[D]

I think that's. Oh, sorry, sorry.

[F]

I was just gonna say you nailed it on the head with the key component is mutual respect. You know what I mean? Whatever you choose to do with your life, that it's like, I still deserve praise whether it's making breakfast in the morning or going out and signing a million dollar deal. Whatever it is. It's like at the end of the day, respect my role in this relationship as I respect yours and we should be supporting each other equally.

[A]

And I'm certain, like, there's a lot, a lot of the men in who feel emasculated naturally by their successful women partners. I think they sometimes are afraid to be their cheerle because they're of that jealousy. If that jealousy comes in. Like some, for some reason. Like, there's a lot of couples out there who don't want to. Like I've said this many times that now is the first relationship where I, I don't compete with her.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and I never realized in past relationships that I was even competing. But you get away from it and you realize, like, it was always like this competition. You know, it was even little stuff like outside of career. It was just like, well, aren't we a team?

[D]

I love this conversation for anybody who's listening, who's whether in a relationship or not. Because, you know, as I said, I like reflect on my own faults in the marriage. I was not a cheerleader in the beginning. I grew up being so independent. Like, I'm not gonna say I didn't grow up privileged, but my parents were very much so. Like, you figure it out. You, you know, we're here if you need us, but you figure it out. Whereas my ex did not grow up that way. It was very like depressed. And as I learned through that, because we were in therapy before it all ended, it was like, we think through things through a different way. So for me, I wasn't cheerleading encouraging. And I think not. I think, I know he really needed that. And by the time I kind of realized that, we were already on the end of it. I'm more. I'm your cheerleader of like, okay, how do we figure this out? How? Like, like, what's the. What's the issue? What's the problem? That's me helping you. But that's not what he needed. He really needed the encouragement. Do I think it would have helped? No. But my fault in it is, rather than paying attention to what he needed and encouraging in that way, I was doing it my way. And so I think that that's, like, a really important thing to note.

[B]

The way that sparkle Megan talks about her house and her car when they do hometowns. I'm expecting the biggest mansion ever.

[D]

But I'm also like, she better. She better.

[B]

And it better be. He said, Ferrari. She said, nope. So I'm like, if it's a fudgeing Range Rover, like, do you think it's.

[D]

Come on.

[C]

Do you think it's a cybertruck?

[D]

Oh, my God.

[C]

And that's why she won't say it. And that's why she won't say what it is.

[B]

That's crazy.

[C]

It's a bright pink. It's a sparkle.

[A]

That would be cybertruck.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[D]

I want it to be.

[C]

And then she can be with the Joe Rogan manosphere guy.

[D]

Yeah, it would be perfect. That's just a thought. Yeah. I'm like, who else stood out in the episode? You're right. There's so many people on there that I'm like, well, we only.

[A]

We only watched one episode. It came out Anna and Patrick.

[B]

Both of them were like, oh, yeah, Patrick.

[D]

I thought that was.

[B]

We've only dated white. Yeah, they both were, like, talking about the same. They're both like, same story.

[D]

Do you speak a second name?

[B]

Yeah, like, my parents.

[D]

They asked the middle name. I was like, oh, they're trying to get.

[F]

They know.

[D]

But then I was thrown off by. Is it Casey?

[B]

Yeah, we saw.

[D]

We saw a bit of her.

[B]

Yes.

[F]

Yes.

[D]

She flat out says, my sister with blonde hair.

[B]

I know a cute blonde white girl.

[D]

Wait a second. I thought you could do that. Wait a second.

[B]

Yeah, you can't get family description.

[A]

Casey is.

[B]

She's like, my sister is gorgeous. She's so hot. Really great body, like the hottest person. And, like, the jeans are great in our family. You know, it's like the one that's.

[F]

Like an international pop star.

[D]

Yeah, she's K pop.

[A]

I mean, she is.

[F]

It's international.

[D]

She lives there.

[B]

She performs.

[A]

She does perform internationally. Maybe it's the star part.

[F]

No, but you're so right. They literally gave the entire thing, by the way, also access to Korea.

[D]

I was pissed. Yeah.

[A]

Casey, I've only seen one episode, so for those of you who are listening to this and watched ahead, maybe there's context we're missing, but she is. Because she's obviously a beautiful woman. She is giving the type of girl who Just chokes the fuck. Not, not literally, but just like, kind of like, well, if she has one good date, she'll just decide she falls in love with him and will just like suffocate the relationship. Because like, she, she seems to have so much going for her and you kind of wonder why she's struggling so much. And you know, she's on that treadmill, she grinds. She's like, you know that she's. She's maximum effort, you know, she gives it her all and she can't figure out why it's not working for her. She has one, one good date. She decides she's in love with this guy and then she will just suffocate the shit out of the relationship until he's just like, I can't do it anymore.

[D]

Like, force it.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, hold on. Hold things.

[A]

Stand by her phone waiting to text. Just like, what is it? Are you okay? Are you okay? Is it everything? Is everything okay? You know, that kind of. She's giving that energy.

[F]

Oh, I can't wait to see her move in with someone. Yeah, like, that's my favorite.

[B]

So I'm excited to see Sparkle Megan move in with someone. She feels like she's gonna be.

[D]

It's gonna be Mike.

[A]

She's totally unchanged. No, who was talking to who? The. She was just the one who was Talking to the 29 year old, kind of nerdy guy. And she was just kind of.

[E]

Nick.

[B]

Joe.

[D]

Joe.

[B]

She was talking to Joe.

[A]

Yeah. And I'm like, this chick's mean. Like, she.

[D]

Oh, I know what you're talking about.

[C]

I know what you're talking about.

[A]

You know, and it's just like she's already goofing around. Like it. You know which one's Joe?

[D]

Because then I'll remember.

[C]

Joe's the one that like, kind of looks like she's talking to Joe Jacob Elordi.

[A]

And it was just like she was.

[C]

Just target on the first date where.

[A]

You'Re joking and you're joking, you're just kind of nagging them and you're just kind of like poking them and it's.

[B]

Just like it was the whole. They were talking about their dream date and she was like, no. She was like, yes, pick up from 7:11. That's where I left off. You pick up from 7:11. And where do we go from there?

[A]

I can't imagine if you forgot like the milk from the grocery store in this relationship. She's like, oh my gosh.

[F]

And it ends with. And finally we got there.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And they were like, teamwork. And I was like, she talks shit about her boyfriends.

[F]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Well, it's also like your dream date, but it does. The stipulation is it has to start at 7:11. Seems a bit odd of, like, just let him restart.

[D]

Let him do his thing.

[C]

Like, you don't want to know what he would do for you.

[D]

Exactly. Oh, that makes me think of. Cause I was about to say, yes. The give and the take you were just talking about, but that made me go back to Mike. When did Mike perk up with Megan? When she said she believed in traditional roles? Yes.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[D]

He was like, yikes. Would you get mad at me? Listen. To each their Own. It's just like, he was like, man, this Megan. After that, he was a totally different person. Yeah. He heard exactly what he wanted to do.

[B]

And then he said something about, like, leaving his dishes.

[F]

That's what it was. Would you get mad at me if I left my dishes? And she's like, no, I like do more traditional roles. And he was like, nope. Great. And it's just like, well, at least make an effort.

[A]

I don't think Natalie's washed a single dish in our entire marriage.

[B]

That is not.

[F]

But you know what?

[D]

If you. Good for you. If you haven't. Because that man goes back to the six pillars and tells everybody that he left.

[A]

I haven't. Listen. I haven't washed a single pair of clothes. Single pair of clothes I haven't washed. I haven't done any laundry since I've just started a date. Natalie.

[F]

I mean, blessed.

[A]

And it works.

[F]

Exactly. So you said, you guys make a great trout.

[A]

She's like, I don't do dishes. And I'm like, great. I don't do laundry. Deal.

[B]

Yeah, I'll do the dishes. I just don't like washing pans. I like to put everything in the dishwasher. The dishwasher is what it makes.

[D]

I agree.

[B]

Sorry. I wash with my hands.

[F]

If there's dishes.

[A]

And there's lots of things that just do not belong in the dishwasher.

[B]

He's like, my steak knives don't go in the dishwasher.

[D]

That is actually true. They will rust. They will turn into something different.

[B]

Rachel.

[D]

Because I do. I don't like to wash dishes either. But there are certain things that do not.

[A]

I don't. I don't shop. I don't go to Target. I don't decorate. I don't. I definitely don't do laundry.

[D]

That's.

[A]

I mow the lawn, Period. That's the most Manly thing I do, basically.

[F]

Could we have a list of all of you, your other chores?

[B]

It was a little dark with Sparkle Megan talking to Jordan about his son having the diabetes. And she's like, oh, my father died of diabetes? And then he was like, yeah. She's like, I'm not saying. She's like, I think your son will be totally fine. It's like, I don't think anyone was talking about that.

[A]

He's 5, and your dad was old.

[D]

That was rigid. She said. She was like, oh, my gosh. My dad. My dad died. And I was like, whoa, not the tongue. I thought she was gonna say, oh, my gosh. I know what you've been through. My dad did. But my dad lived a long life.

[B]

There was a lot of other things that happened that caused him to die. She's like. It was.

[A]

She's like, well, I mean, it's kind of diabetes.

[D]

Not into Jordan. I'm telling you.

[B]

It's Blake or Mike.

[D]

Blake or Mike. Because Jordan, every time he gets in, he's like, what's. What kind of car do you drive? I've gone through the list.

[B]

Then he's like, I feel like we live very different lives. I drive a Kia Forte because she.

[C]

Like, oh, to you, she does not.

[A]

And she's like, poor.

[C]

She doesn't seem like the kind that wants us.

[F]

She said no.

[A]

Well, he was like, something. It was giving middle management. And, you know, not for. Not for Sparkle. Meghan.

[D]

It's not for her. Wait, was he the branch manager?

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. Okay. But he was really proud of it.

[B]

He was really proud of it.

[D]

See, like, I like people who are passionate about what they do.

[B]

He's like, I'm really proud of it.

[A]

That's not gonna work for Sparkle, man.

[D]

It's not gonna work for Sparkle.

[B]

She heard manager and was like, but.

[A]

That'S kind of my point. When I. Like, I. And you were right. I think she's successful, but she. I think she has a way of emasculating the men she dates as a way to, like, validate herself. And maybe there's. It's a combination of the men she's dating not validating her. But, like, it's not just all these men. Just can't handle a successful woman.

[D]

Yeah. There's a way to be proud about what you do. But again, it's all about what you lead with. Right? Like, I'm not going to lead with certain successes. I want you to get to know me or, you know, like, what I like to do for fun. Do we Know what Megan likes to do for fun other than shop? I mean, when she walked through and they were showing us her jewelry, I was trying to pause. I was, like, really trying to pay attention and, like, figure out what it was.

[A]

I really respected him for being like, and I fucking hate her name.

[F]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

He's like, no, but a lot. She's cool, but the fucking name sucks.

[B]

It's got to go off.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[E]

Well, as somebody who has seen all six of the episodes, you guys are in for a really incredible rest of the episodes whenever you decide to watch them this weekend. I'm just saying it gets.

[A]

So as someone who's seen without. Without spoiling anything, how do you feel about some of our takes?

[E]

I will say one of your takes is very off.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Okay.

[F]

But we had a lot of them, so I feel like that's been odds.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

I'm only saying one. I'm not trying to spoil.

[B]

Only one is solid.

[D]

At least one.

[A]

Your taste and not off.

[F]

There it is.

[A]

Way off.

[B]

Way off.

[D]

Way off. I'm in. I've never. I'm not one for, like, love reality shows and has nothing to do with the Bachelor. I've always just been more into the lifestyle. I don't even do really do competition ones. Except for, like, traders. Yeah. Like, I like. I like the lifestyle ones, but Love is Blind is the one I've been in and out of.

[A]

When they move in together.

[D]

No, it's. It's when they go to the honeymoon.

[B]

Place and they see the person that they almost picked, and then it's like, oh, she's kind of hot. Better, like.

[A]

And it's right off that high versus, like, spending a night together.

[B]

And then, like, one of them always expects to hook up, and the other one is always like, I don't know. You should sleep on the couch. You know, it's always just the vibes. It's so good.

[F]

But I feel like, are we gonna meet more people, like, couples through the next episode? Because I feel like things move really fast now.

[D]

They do.

[F]

Yeah. Where I'm like, we're already at an engagement meeting up.

[D]

Yeah.

[F]

And I know that we always end an episode like that, but I'm just like, I don't know. Because I kind of want to participate the way that they do, where I'm like, I want to wear the blindfold, and I want to listen and try to figure out.

[B]

And when they meet up, I. I.

[F]

Want to be like, that's who they. Because, like, right now I'm like, I could Forget all of these faces in an hour.

[D]

Yeah, sure.

[F]

You know what I mean? So I'm like, I kind of want to play along.

[B]

Are you watching Golden Bachelor at all, or are you.

[D]

Yeah, well, I'm obviously turned off at the man and what he said. Obviously. And then I saw. Because, like, it's also in my algorithm.

[F]

Right.

[D]

So I saw that he did end up eliminating a lot of women over 60. So I was like, okay, this.

[B]

So you mean what you said?

[D]

Yeah. You mean what you said? The most intriguing thing to me about this man is that he's black. Like, why are we not talking about this? That was. I was like, crazy. Wait, what?

[A]

His dad played him in the Negro.

[D]

Negro League. I should be watching. Honestly.

[F]

Mary called it out for me, too. She was like, did you catch that? And I was like, yeah, his dad worked for the baseball team and Diana.

[D]

Ross lived behind him.

[B]

And.

[F]

And she's like, no, he's.

[D]

He's not black. And I was like, excuse me.

[C]

Yeah, I was like, I don't know if this is necessarily, like, my place to bring this up on the show.

[D]

But it's definitely something that I'm thinking about. Yes. I almost was like, should I like, no, let me just save it for Taylor, Frankie, Paul. That's what I'm into.

[A]

Oh, she's in a crush. But I. Yeah, I was. I was trying. I was watching a little bit last night, and I'm. And I think, yeah, a lot has to do with. He clearly doesn't like any of these women, and that's fine. But why did they, you know, his ex wife's 45.

[D]

It's like, oh, she is. Yeah. How old is he?

[B]

63 or something?

[D]

She's 45 now.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

He needs to be on Age of Attraction.

[D]

He was serious. He does need to be on his. Have you finished casting? He's 62.

[A]

But I just like that, you know, you watched a Golden. Like, the first. Even the first season, because it was, like, so heartwarming, and you watched and you cried, and now I'm just like, just go in.

[B]

He turned out to be a scammer, right?

[D]

Yeah, but we didn't know.

[E]

But I think that they need to raise the age of Golden Bachelor. I think that they should lean toward the older people because it's getting too young maybe.

[A]

But, like, your bachelor can't be a guy. They're 0 for 2.

[D]

You're a golden bachelor.

[F]

Can't be ageist. It's fucking weird.

[B]

But I feel like they all did.

[E]

I liked that they all poked Fun at him at the roast about it, though.

[A]

Sure. But, like, it doesn't make it any more.

[D]

Well.

[A]

And you're out.

[F]

We've also been poking fun at it for the first two episodes or three episodes. So it's kind of like, okay, there's no connections really happening here. If this is the only thing that we can roast him out.

[A]

You loved it because it was heartwarming and charming, and now it's just kind of a bit.

[D]

Well, yeah. As a single person, I'm like, oh, great. So they don't grow out of it. Yeah, great.

[B]

They always want younger.

[F]

So you're telling me that's all I say.

[B]

When I turned 27 this year, Nick was like, wow, it's really interesting that you're 27 now.

[D]

And I'm like, oh, just to let.

[B]

You know, motherfucker, you're 45.

[D]

Okay. Don't you forget it.

[A]

Don't you forget that's not exactly how it went. She's like, I'm 27. That's.

[D]

I'm like, yeah, it's really weird.

[A]

Well, with Mo, the truth is, I was more like. Yeah. You know, because, like, early days, I.

[F]

Was pretty sweating it.

[A]

Yeah. Self conscious about, like. You don't need to know.

[D]

I told you not to be self conscious. When I first learned about you, I was like, don't be. So I was like, don't be self conscious about that. Good for you, period.

[B]

Thanks, Rachel.

[D]

Younger.

[B]

Thanks, Rachel.

[E]

Wait, Nick and Rachel, I have a question for both of you. Maybe we've asked this before. I don't remember, but who are the kind of people that are in the audience at these kind of events, like these roasts, these strip dances, all these group date competitions?

[A]

Yeah. They'll usually make, like, an announcement if you're in the area. Yeah.

[D]

They put out a flyer.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

They'll put it up on, like, social and stuff. It. Yeah, you. You can see it, but it's. Yeah, it's. It's fans. Women. Mostly women. Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Past cast members. Trying to make it back.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Trying to make it.

[F]

It's a cameo.

[D]

Even though I have said I would come back for Taylor. Yes.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

I'm just talking.

[E]

You should.

[F]

No, you should give her the pep talk.

[B]

It's going to be so good.

[D]

It's going to be good. But it's. I. I just keep telling people a line has been drawn in the sand. Like, stop wishing for the yesteryear. Like, the people who are like, oh, but it's changed. Good. It needs to. It's not going to be the same. She will not find love. And I, and I'm fine with that. That's not the show that I'm signing up for. Like, I, It's, I mean, like, she will fall because she's like, loves, love. And I think that that's something that's. It will be a small, genuine about her. Right. Like I, I like that she's unapologetically. She falls quickly and she knows that and she owns it. I like that. But I'm not expecting her to be a, you know, I don't know a. I was trying to name a bachelorette, you know, like yesterday. Trista. I'm like, I'm not expecting her to be that. I'm expecting her to be herself.

[A]

Bring Tristan around. No. I love you, Trista.

[D]

They might, they might because they're.

[A]

They, they're going to bring in Hannah. They're going to bring in Trista.

[D]

Yeah, they'll bring in.

[A]

They're going to do a sit down.

[D]

They'll bring in.

[A]

I don't give a. I want them.

[B]

To bring in Rachel.

[D]

They're not going to bring in. But they're probably like, let's keep her away. Even though I'm such. I am so supportive of it.

[A]

They don't bring us. They're. We're.

[D]

Yeah. They don't bring. They don't us.

[B]

The black sheep. They're like, meh.

[A]

They're like, they don't need us, so we don't need them.

[D]

I wonder what our, what our reputation is now that there's like new production, mostly new producers. It's like, of course they've heard of us, but like, what do they know? It's like, no, I've heard about you. I don't want to. I'm just like curious and as to what it, what, what the thing is. But I'm for it. I'm. I'm here to help her. I'm here to help her bring me back for her to have fun. That's. That's, that's all I want to see. And I'm happy that they made this move finally. But like, nevermind. Don't continue with Hulu. Hulu Stars as your leads. That's all I'll say.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I think we won and done it.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

For sure. I think you can bring other people in. Cool. Who are, who have a platform. But don't like keep bringing in Hulu Stars. I don't want to see a Nader sister. That's what I'm trying to say.

[B]

Yes, yes, we Got to the bottom of it.

[D]

And it's nothing against their show. It's just like. There's just so much of it and I'm just like, I don't want to see it. It's just. I don't want to. I don't want to. Like, every time I see a Page Six article come up, it would be so. It's just so much. I don't want to.

[A]

Hulu is very trying to make their universe.

[B]

They are so.

[A]

They're trying very hard.

[D]

I don't. Don't force it on us. And that, like, Taylor did not feel forced. Taylor felt like something new, something refreshing. But if you keep it going, I'm.

[A]

Like, well, the hope is. I'm assuming the hope is that she will. They fucked it up before. Like, they fucked it up with Joey. Joey gave him a shot in the arm and then. And they fucked it up. So they can always fuck it up again. And they're good at fucking it up, but kicking her. But the hope is they cast a great men. Taylor's very fun men, but she's, you know, Taylor's appealing. Hopefully they'll get.

[D]

You know, this is really sweet and I know you guys are friends with Taylor and you want the best for her, but the reality is. And again, I'm such a fan of their show. I like it. The reality is men who are going to be coming on this show, sadly for. For her, again, this is not a dig at her. Sadly for her, are going to step into. They're gonna have to move to Utah. They're going to deal with two baby daddies, and they're gonna deal with three kids and possibly be on another show. I feel sorry for her in the sense that somebody's going. Most will be opportunists. Yeah, most will be. I hope half of them are fathers.

[B]

That's.

[D]

That is the least that they could do. That's what I said to her. And not have 30 men. Like, maybe. Let's have 12, 15. Maybe it's a little bit more intimate for her. You know, we start in Utah. I think that they, like, you know how Dancing with the Stars kind of like taps into the TikTok of it all. I think this show should tap into the TikTok. I think she should be allowed to use her phone a little bit.

[A]

Oh, I've. I've been saying this. They need to give the lead a phone that is controlled by the show and they can access text messages and, like, they should give all the guys a phone that's like, not Connected to the outside world, but access to Taylor. Instead of sneaking out, you could sneak texts, you know, and modernize it, though, right?

[D]

I think that, yeah, if we're really trying to help Taylor find love, I think that you can't throw 30 men at her who are gonna love bomb her, because you really could change the name of the show to Love Bombing, because that's what it is. But, yeah, I want to see. I would hope that she finds it, but she's not. We're there to be entertained. They're gonna put her in pressure cooker situations. Those parents. Parents are gonna come.

[B]

Hometowns are gonna be good.

[D]

Those parents are gonna come.

[F]

No, but you're so right. They need to be like men that are very much vetted, rooted in their careers or, like. But able to be remote or flexible, but, like, have priorities and responsibilities outside.

[D]

Of just, like, wanting to be on another TV show.

[B]

Honestly, I hope they go a little bit older. Yeah, well, give her some older men who have kids.

[F]

Hot, hot older men.

[A]

To Rachel's point, though, is that she knows and I know that they're not casting for Taylor.

[D]

Most of the time.

[A]

They don't really give a. They're not. They're. It's not their priority, right. Where if they really cared about Taylor, they. Half the men would be dads or, like, fit a certain type of type or whatever. Whatever Taylor's preferences are. They would sit down and, like, really want to get to know what she's into. And they. They don't do that.

[D]

They don't do it.

[B]

Well, we'll see.

[D]

But we will be entertained.

[A]

Rachel, it's always a pleasure.

[D]

Thank you, guys. I'm so happy.

[A]

Now that we're really close to your house, we expect you to be on more.

[D]

I love coming on here. We have a good time. You make me comfortable, and then I'm like, all right, what are the headlines going to be?

[F]

What did I say?

[D]

This is who she doesn't want to be.

[B]

Like, so his dick size man.

[A]

Remind my audience where they can find you and enjoy all the great stuff you're doing.

[D]

Thank you for that. You can catch me higher learning. New episodes drop every Tuesday. Friday we're in a time, but if you want that we balance it out, that's great. And then we balance it out with morally corrupt, where we talk all things Bravo. And those episodes drop Tuesday and Friday as well. And then, you know, just stay tuned. Fun things to come.

[A]

Well, that will do it for today's episode. If you haven't listened to yesterday's going deeper. We have Amy Duggar King, part of the Duggar family. And that whole mess, all the juicy details, Amy is here to talk all about it. So if you know a glimpse of that story, you're going to want to tap in and listen to that episode. I think that'll do it for today. I already said that. All right, we'll see you on Monday. Bye.

[D]

That's great.