E1013 - LIB’s Madison, DWTS, RHOP, RHOM, RHOSLC, Sexiest Men in Podcasting, Halitosis and Halloween Costumes

Summary

The Viall Files – E1013 Reality Recap

Episode Title: LIB’s Madison, DWTS, RHOP, RHOM, RHOSLC, Sexiest Men in Podcasting, Halitosis and Halloween Costumes
Hosts: Nick Viall, Natalie Joy, and The Household
Date: October 9, 2025

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Episode Overview

This lively "Reality Recap" episode covers a broad range of reality TV drama (Love is Blind, DWTS, Bravo franchises), pop culture chat, and the usual Viall Files banter. Special guest Madison from Love is Blind joins to discuss her experience and ongoing drama. The crew also dives into the realities of podcast fame, hygiene faux pas, and holiday prep, blending pop-culture commentary with relatable personal anecdotes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter & Updates

• Natalie Joy talks about getting an audition and the group's playful tease of her possible Hollywood future.
• Nick announces the focus of the episode: a sit-down with Madison (Love is Blind) who “brought the drama” this season, plus recaps of various Bravo shows and pop culture headlines.
• [02:20] “So next time you see me, I’ll be acting with Robbie and Jason Statham.” — Natalie

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2. Bravo Bites: Bad Breath and Real Housewives Drama

• Nick and the crew fixate on the “bad breath” plotline from Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP), noting how petty but universally relatable it is.
  • [03:38] Nick: “The most beautiful people can have the worst, raunchy breath…not halitosis to the mostest!”
  • [04:13] Natalie: “Sometimes it’s just... people who don’t floss... they just have a piece of steak from four years ago.”
• The group discusses the appropriate way to tell a friend about their hygiene without embarrassing them.
• They jump to Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC) and Miami (RHOM), highlighting unusual storylines:
  • Salt Lake City’s “family tree” and Mary’s infamous “my church” comments.
  • Miami’s reunion and cast dynamics (“everyone getting along felt fake”).
• Nick makes a bold claim: RHOP is the hottest Housewives cast.
  • [06:22] Nick: “The Potomac cast is just the hottest group of Housewives, period.”

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3. Pop Culture Detours: Cookies, Halloween, and Sexy Podcasters

Internet “Cookies”

• Natalie confesses she always accepts website cookies without understanding them.
  • [10:01] Natalie: “Almost immediately when I land on a website, I accept all cookies. I had no idea that you shouldn’t.”
  • [10:23] Nick: “It’s like you’re inviting the internet into your house, telling it to make itself comfortable.”

Halloween Traditions & Costume Debates

• Group expresses mixed feelings about Halloween planning, especially with kids.
• Costume ideas debated, from Lisa Rinna & Harry Hamlin to “Da Vinci twins,” with a consensus: it’s only a hit if everyone gets the reference.
  • [16:47] Nick: “When it comes to a Halloween costume, people need to walk in and go ‘Oh my God, I love that! That’s so good!’”

Sexiest Men in Podcasting & Awards

• Nick is up for People Magazine's “Sexiest Podcaster,” pitted against Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang.
  • [19:00] Nick: “Shocking it’s a category—I never thought People Magazine would put ‘man’ and ‘sexy’ in ‘podcast’ in the same sentence.”
  • Natalie admits she voted for rival nominees before voting for Nick!

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4. Reality TV Roundup

Dancing with the Stars (DWTS)

• Discussion of Disney night, highlighting contestants’ improvement and entertainment value.
• Nick jokes about his own less-glamorous DWTS role: “They made me Pinocchio and made me shave my beard!” [20:44]
• Predictions: Dylan Efron highlighted as likely to reach the finals.

Special Forces: Toughness and Real Stakes

• Eva’s dangerous experience (losing consciousness in a water task) triggers a discussion on the alarming seriousness versus “reality TV” expectations.
  • [24:43] Nick: “I don’t think people realize just how serious that show is…you sign a release saying you could die.”

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5. Featured Interview: Madison (Love is Blind) Joins the Show

Madison’s Motivation & Experience

• Talks candidly about signing up for Love is Blind to see if she could find lasting connection despite her degenerative eye condition.
  • [33:25] Madison: “My RP is gonna be different from somebody else’s…truly, it’s up in the air.”
• Shares her journey from denial to advocacy, focusing on shedding light on hidden fears and finding community.
  • [34:58] “Monsters are scarier in the dark…the more light you can shed, the easier it becomes.” — Madison

Love is Blind Drama Unpacked

• Madison discusses Joe’s negative comments about her body, admitting it led to significant insecurity and briefly an eating disorder.
  • [36:39] “With this experiment so emotionally heightened, that really threw me into an insecure space.”
• Madison defends her initial connection with Joe in the pods, saying he appeared normal and consistent until reality hit during filming.
• The infamous pool party: Madison hoped for couple solidarity; instead, she felt ignored.
  • [46:31] “It just felt like every bid for connection was ignored.”
• Joe’s podcast response seen by Madison as classic deflection.
• Nick probes on “boxers versus boxer briefs” and Madison lightheartedly weighs in.
• Madison on self-discovery: “I learned to trust my instinct...and to love myself. I found love in the pods in more ways than I ever expected, including falling in love with myself.” [49:00]

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6. Love is Blind – Cast Analysis

• The crew reviews the episode’s love triangle fallout, agreed Joe is in “spiral mode” and possibly self-sabotaging.
  • [63:05] Nick: “He desperately wants Madison to break up with him…he’s sabotaging it for self-preservation.”
• Speculation surrounds other couples’ dynamics, with takes on who’s in it for fame and who’s just a “messy queen” (not a bad thing!).

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7. More Bravo and Reality TV Chatter

Miami & Potomac Recaps

• Miami reunion: Lawsuits, cheating, and what counts as “good” or “bad” TV friendship.
• Potomac: New cast drama, divorce database sleuthing, and epic shade thrown about hygiene (“her breath is allegedly bad”).

Salt Lake City Highlights

• Heather gets a “water perm” from Angie, raising hilarity and mild concern, but the group gives her “producer credit” for good content.
• Bronwyn’s relationship with her mom draws empathy—generational trauma and forgiveness theme discussed.
• Deep dive into Lisa’s product drama and feuds across franchises.
• Mary’s “my church” lore and family drama unpacked.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• [03:38] Nick: “The most beautiful people can have the worst raunchy breath. Sometimes it’s like a rotten tooth or bad gut.”
• [06:22] Nick: “The Potomac cast is just the hottest group of Housewives, period.”
• [10:01] Natalie: “Every single time, when I land on a website, I accept all cookies.”
• [19:00] Nick: “I never thought People Magazine would put ‘man’ and ‘sexy’ in podcasts in the same sentence.”
• [34:58] Madison: “Monsters are scarier in the dark…the more light you put on it, the easier it becomes.”
• [46:31] Madison: “Every bid for connection was ignored. I felt sad.”
• [63:05] Nick: “He desperately wants Madison to break up with him…He is sabotaging for self-preservation.”

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 02:08 — Opening banter, Natalie’s audition
• 05:00–07:00 — Real Housewives (Potomac/Miami/SLC) recap & hygiene drama
• 09:51 — Public service announcement: Internet cookies explained
• 14:21 — Halloween costume debates and seasonal traditions
• 19:00 — “Sexiest Podcaster” poll chat
• 20:44 — DWTS anecdotes (Nick as Pinocchio)
• 24:41 — Special Forces seriousness and Eva’s accident
• 32:15 — Madison joins the show: Love is Blind deep dive begins
• 36:39 — Joe’s body comments and Madison’s honest response
• 46:31 — Post-pool party fallout, “bids for connection,” and relationship analysis
• 62:12–65:00 — Love Is Blind cast chemistry and ulterior motives
• 73:04 — RHOM rapid reunion recap
• 79:55 — Potomac: Divorce drama, database sleuthing, cast chemistry

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

In true Viall Files style, the energy is high, the analysis irreverent but insightful, and the episode crackles with both pop culture savvy and real relationship wisdom. Whether dissecting the psychological impact of reality TV or musing on the etiquette of telling someone they have bad breath, Nick and Natalie skillfully blend “hot gossip” with humor and empathy, inviting listeners both to laugh and reflect.

Madison’s segment stands out for its candor and vulnerability, providing a grounded counterpoint to the surrounding reality TV spectacle.

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For full recaps, laughs, pop culture takes, and a bit of relationship therapy, this episode is a must for Viall Files fans and reality TV devotees alike.

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[A]

What'S going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I am your host Nick, joined by my beautiful wife. Smart, gorgeous, talented, also has an audition. Oh my sweet wife is maybe becoming an actress.

[C]

Oh my God.

[D]

Okay, let's not jinx it guys. I just got like a self tape.

[A]

She didn't even ask. It Was like, someone just be like, hey, we want you to audition. And I was like, people understand.

[B]

Oh, so she's off her audition only.

[D]

I'm all for audition only. So the next time you see me, I will be acting with Robbie and Jason Statham. Of course, of course.

[B]

Your FYC campaign starts now.

[D]

I'm in the next Fast and Furious.

[B]

Huge.

[A]

We have a great episode lined up for you today. Madison from Love is Blind is joining us, involved in some drama. There's a new batch of episodes. We're going to focus on episode seven, and the rest of you guys catch up on the episodes. That being said, Madison has some drama and a lot of these episodes coming up. So we'll dive into Madison. If you haven't heard the he said she said episode between Patrick and Casey, that is on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap. Also, guys, I'm into Potomac. I'm into it. It's fun. Bad breath drama. That's what I live for. Just petty, like, meaningful real life. Everyone can relate to the friend with bad breath, but it's also, like, the.

[D]

Best way to bring someone down, you.

[A]

Know, because it's like, yeah, that's a stain.

[D]

Yeah. And they can't be like, well, you're lying. Because, like, you can smell your own breath.

[A]

And the most beautiful people can have the worst raunchy breath. Sometimes it's like a rotten tooth or bad gut. I won't say who. I think some of the people in the household know there is a Bravo celebrity that when I met stunning person and I was sitting next to them and halitosis to the mostest. It was just like, not halitosis to the most.

[D]

Sometimes it's not halitosis. Sometimes it's.

[A]

This was okay.

[C]

Dentist.

[D]

Dentist by all. Sorry. Sometimes it's just like people who don't floss and they, like, just have, like, a piece of steak from four years ago still in their back molar, you know?

[A]

And this is where shame really plays its part. Like, Natalie, obviously not a fan of the weed smoking, which I haven't done in too long. But when I do smoke weed, Natalie lets me know that she thinks my teeth are rotting. And when I don't floss, she also shames me into thinking I have the worst breath, which.

[D]

What do you say back to that of someone being like, hey, it smells like you have a rotten.

[A]

I never. I feel the most ugly when Natalie shames my breath.

[C]

Well, yeah, because she has to kiss you.

[A]

Because it reminds me of halitosis to the mostest.

[E]

You can't recover from someone saying you have bad breath. No, like, that will always know.

[A]

You can. You can't. Any. That's. That's enough.

[E]

You can medically, but what?

[D]

You show up to the next party and be like.

[A]

You're like, smell me. Hey, we've all been stinky before.

[B]

The best way to do that is just to walk into a room without bad breath, and you're like, what can you say about me? Just my personality. Exactly.

[C]

I mean, if you have a history of it, we can also just be like, I don't want to get that close.

[F]

You know?

[E]

They're always going to say that, though.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

We also have Real Housewives of Miami Reunion Part 1 We Didn't Talk about last week. We're going into. We have Salt Lake City, which, like, this was like, a weird episode of everyone, like, mending fences and getting along. Little bar.

[C]

I don't need to see it.

[E]

It's not real.

[C]

Yeah, okay.

[B]

But we got a tease of something pretty incredible that might happen, which is Meredith and Angie team up, I guess.

[A]

But also, like, I need a little background on Mary's family tree. And, like, the phrase my church just threw me every time she said that. Oh, my church, my church.

[C]

It is her church.

[E]

I mean, we've been saying that she is Mary.

[C]

She's the pastor. Her grandmother was the owner.

[A]

That painting was wild.

[C]

Of the church.

[B]

It's awesome, isn't it?

[C]

And then her grandma, like, this is the weird part where in the first two seasons and Justin helped. Mary helped me out here, because I'm a little fuzzy on it too, but I guess the grandma in her, like, last testament, while dying, wanted Mary to marry her husband, who is not her biolog grandfather.

[E]

None of the sisters wanted to fulfill that.

[C]

Fulfill the role the mom thought she was going to. I don't understand why Mary had to marry the husband.

[A]

I know. I don't know.

[D]

It seems like it gave her a beautiful life, though.

[C]

100%. And she's still happily married to Robert Sr. Today, so.

[A]

Also, I just want to say I think the Potomac cast is the hottest collective group of housewives, period.

[B]

Mm.

[E]

I think they're all hot, but Potomac.

[A]

They have the most. I woulds.

[C]

Yeah, that statement.

[E]

I mean, Giselle is very hot.

[C]

I would, too.

[B]

Ashley Darby.

[A]

I mean, I've just, you know. Ashley Darby.

[E]

Is that her name?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Gorge.

[E]

Even.

[A]

Even. Bad breath.

[E]

Dunny Casey.

[A]

Her face card's pretty great.

[C]

No, none of them decline her face.

[B]

Card when her mouth is closed.

[A]

Yeah, well, I can't smell it on tv.

[E]

I feel bad for her.

[B]

I know Stacy.

[C]

She doesn't look good.

[A]

No, no, no. I actually, no, this is. This. This goes in the category of, like, something in your teeth. I. A group of friends, and one of the friends was, like, had bad breath. And then the other friend came to me and said, do we say something to her? And I was like, absolutely. Like, don't embarrass her. Take her aside. Grab a cup of coffee. In the nicest possible way.

[D]

Grab a cup of coffee. It's only gonna make it worse.

[C]

Throw some acid on that fire.

[B]

Yeah, go eat some garlic. Have some red on here.

[D]

Have a couple onions.

[A]

But, like, don't walk around and let your friend. You need. You need to let them know because you can do something about it. Like, and honestly, when you have bad breath, you don't know about it. Like, be a friend. Don't let your friend walk around just, like, having people being like, you know.

[E]

Well, don't tell her in front of the group.

[A]

Yeah, no, not in front of the group. Don't embarrass them.

[D]

But to a cup of coffee.

[C]

Take her to a dental expo. This is how we brush our teeth.

[D]

A dental convention.

[G]

What's the line of going. Of going too far? Like, okay, you could tell somebody if there's something in their teeth, if they smell bad, if their breath smells bad. But, like, what's the line?

[B]

I think if it's something that they truly can't, like, change.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

If it's not fixable.

[D]

Yeah. I think it's like, after a haircut.

[A]

It'S like, your face is broken.

[D]

No. My aunt one time after I got a tattoo was like, I don't really like it. And I was like, well, it is permanent, so thanks.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[D]

Nothing I can really do about that now.

[B]

I also think if it's not hurting anyone else, then, like. But if it, like, bad breath like that or something, or if it's something truly embarrassing, if it's coming from a good place.

[C]

But I will say sometimes you end up looking like the asshole because there is, like, a condition or something and that you didn't know about. And they're like, oh. And you're like, okay, I'm the asshole. I'm so sorry. I was just trying to help you.

[A]

Halitosis is a condition. It's. It's a condition of the.

[E]

Of. Of. Of.

[A]

Of having an unhealthy gut. But, like. And it's not. Like, it's not an easy.

[D]

I thought it was a gum disease.

[A]

I'm not A dentist? I don't know. But I'm pretty sure there's things you can do about it. You can change your diet. Like and, and it's worth it. Like, you know, it's not like a.

[E]

Mint problem unless it is genetic. Yeah.

[B]

Halitosis, commonly known as bad breath, can be caused by various factors including oral, poor brushing and fossing habits. Gum disease, periodontal disease, tonsillitis and dry mouth. Sometimes it's dietary factors. Consuming strong smelling foods like garlic, onions and coffee. Eating certain medications, not eating certain medications such as antibiotic to chemotherapy drugs. Medical condition, gastroesophageal reflux disease, respiratory infections, liver, kidney disease, other causes, smoking, hormonal changes, stress.

[D]

Okay, that's enough, Mary, thank you.

[C]

That's where we get iffy and, and where's. Too far too is like. It's like gaining weight or something. If somebody's. You could probably put the cookie down. Like. Don't say that. Don't say that to me.

[B]

Well, don't be an asshole.

[A]

Speaking of cookies, Natalie has a public service announcement. Speaking of Internet. I know we talked about the Internet.

[D]

No, I think I just am probably an idiot and I think I'm the only person.

[A]

You're not an idiot. You don't know. And a lot of. I think a lot of people don't know. So don't shame yourself and just like be vulnerable and let the people know.

[D]

Okay. If y' all will allow me the floor, I will be vulnerable. You're allowed the floor every single time. Without fail. Almost immediately when I land on a website, I accept all cookies.

[C]

I do too.

[D]

And I had no idea that you are not. You shouldn't.

[A]

That you have the option to say no.

[D]

I thought it was like you're not going to be able to view this website if you don't accept our cookies.

[B]

That's how they treat us.

[E]

These are the cookies we're talking about.

[C]

I know.

[E]

Wait, I thought we were talking about other ones.

[A]

Mary, what do Internet cookies do?

[B]

What do Internet cookies do?

[C]

Don't they track you?

[A]

Yeah. It like basically says you can you to dive in. Like it's basically saying Internet, come into my house. Don't take your. Don't take your shoes off. Make yourself comfortable. Record everything.

[D]

Oh, if I were to ever go missing, I feel like you have all the answers that you need.

[G]

You know, if you go missing, I will too, because I do the same exact thing.

[B]

So.

[F]

Okay, here's.

[B]

Here's the textbook definition of Internet cookies. Internet cookies are small text files that website store on your device to remember information about you and your browsing activity, enabling personalized experiences. I. E. The government's tracking you and saved login details, shopping cart items, site preferences, and targeted content. So it's basically how, like, when you're on Instagram and you're like, how do they get these fucking targeted ads? It's because they're tracking you.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[G]

I don't mind that, actually, because sometimes I'm like, yeah, I do want this. Yeah.

[D]

Sometimes I'm like, oh, my God, thank you. I literally was just thinking about this.

[A]

No one text to Leah or my wife anymore.

[B]

Yeah, you don't. It's like, you don't mind it until Jeff Bezos shows up at your house being like, hey, I saw that you looked up halitosis causes. Are you okay?

[C]

Yeah, we've got some recommendations.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

We're all going to be fed dental hygiene.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

But now that I'm. I'm pressing. Now that I'm pressing, do not accept cookies. I've never felt more powerful.

[G]

And it still lets you in, and.

[D]

It still lets me in.

[C]

Step into that power, Natalie.

[A]

No. It's like, no, please. Do you have a warrant? No. Then you can't come in.

[E]

This is crazy.

[G]

Can I tell you, I view it as, like, charity almost. You know, where it's like, hey, do you want to, like, donate an extra couple cents? And I'm like, yes. Like, that's how I feel about cookies.

[D]

You donate your personal information, I'll accept these cookies.

[E]

You want to round up, Honestly?

[D]

And if you say, do you want to round up? 9 times out of 10, I will say yes. But if you say, do you want to donate? I'll probably say no. But rounding up. Please get me to an even number.

[A]

Yeah, yeah. For all the math geeks out there, which Natalie is not. She's like, yeah, I can't possibly. What are you charging me?

[F]

How much do you want me to.

[D]

And then what is my total. Total after that? I don't know.

[A]

Do you know people used to balance a checkbook?

[D]

Yeah, I watched my mom do that.

[B]

I had to learn to balance a checkbook in school. Never done it in my own.

[E]

I know how to do it.

[D]

Oh, yeah. I did it in school, too.

[A]

Well, a little history lesson back when things were, like, not paperless. And people, like, lived like they do now on a. On a. On a tight budget. And you would write checks, and checks would take, you know, two to three days to cash. So you would have to balance your checkbook every month to, like, track the few days between when the checks you would write and the checks would cash to make sure you don't go, you know, you're not overdrive drawn crazy that.

[B]

My brain just exited my body when he started talking.

[D]

No, I literally, I don't know where I went, but I was not in this room.

[C]

Yeah, they're like, what did you do.

[D]

With your credit card?

[F]

Yeah, yeah.

[G]

What about Zel?

[E]

What?

[B]

They didn't email you?

[C]

Venmo, you didn't get an alert, text alert saying you're close to overdrafting?

[B]

Yeah, duh.

[A]

I. You guys are all geniuses.

[B]

You didn't say, what if we just print more money?

[G]

An embarrassing story, period. Very quick one. I forgot how to write a check entirely, actually.

[E]

What?

[G]

Well, Danny usually like writes our check for rent and he's on tour, so I had to. And I like, had to look it up because I was like, I don't.

[F]

Remember how to do this.

[E]

What are you writing a check for rent? But there's like, isn't that like an online portal?

[G]

There's little, little things on the bottom.

[B]

Sell my landlord.

[G]

Old school landlord.

[C]

With this many dollars. What do you.

[D]

Yeah, it literally like spells it out for you.

[C]

It's ad libbing.

[A]

Memo, memo, line.

[G]

What do you put there?

[A]

Did your brain break when you had to like spell out the amount? Like, how do you spell thousand?

[D]

No, it's this. It's the cents for me.

[G]

Yeah, well, it's. It's an even amount. I don't pay like.

[D]

You don't.

[G]

My rent isn't in cent. Like, you know. Yeah, it's rounded up and so it just. I just wrote like my rent number. It was very strange.

[C]

It was zero, zero over a hundred.

[G]

Cents at one point. I used to know how to do it.

[A]

We're getting dumber.

[C]

But on a fun note, are you excited getting ready for Halloween?

[B]

Yes.

[F]

No.

[D]

It's my least favorite Halloween and that's.

[A]

Why we're in love.

[F]

Really.

[C]

So do you decorate for Halloween or do you decorate fall?

[D]

Well, now that I have autumn. Well, now that I have a child, it's definitely like, makes holidays more fun. And so, like, usually I would have just done pumpkins and it would have transitioned us from Halloween into Thanksgiving. And then November 1st, everything comes down and Christmas tree goes up. But now that I have a daughter, I'm like, oh, this needs to be fun. So we went to HomeGoods and got all the jack o lanterns, all the little, the spooky kitties and all the stuff. And that was so much fun. But the thought of having to, like, come up with an idea of what to be for Halloween, it's like, every. Even before, like, it kills me every year. They actually offered to give me a gift card, but they offered to give me a gift card right after me and Nick's mom left Home Goods getting stuff for the lake house. And I had spent so much money, and I'm sitting in the parking lot waiting for Nick's mom to finish returning the cart, and I get a text from my lovely team being like, hey, homegoods. Heard you talked about them on the podcast. They'd love to give you a gift card. I'm like, oh, well. Well, that would have been perfect 10 minutes ago.

[A]

But we'll thank you for thinking of us, HomeGoods.

[C]

We'll still take it.

[D]

The shelves in the disrespectfully humble Bragg studio.

[E]

Home Goods sounds like a sponsored ad.

[F]

Wait, you guys, I have.

[B]

I have a question for the room and for our audience. I am debating with my friend two different Halloween costumes, right? We are either gonna do Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin.

[F]

Great.

[B]

Yeah. Or same way, like, I'm gonna be Lisa Rinna, and she's gonna be Harry.

[A]

Hamlin, because it really, honestly doesn't matter. They look the same.

[C]

I was gonna say just the same.

[B]

Wig, but I also want to do, like, full femme Lisa Rinna drag. I think that would be really funny.

[C]

Get it?

[B]

Or the da Vinci twins.

[E]

Who.

[B]

Do you guys know who the da Vinci twins are?

[E]

The da Vinci twins? A little. They're outdated.

[B]

They're two disagree. They're like these two twin brothers who have himbos, and they have hair that, like, sticks up, like, six inches, and they, like, like, talk like this, and.

[E]

They go, do I lose brain cells watching?

[D]

Honestly, that's like, that's. You have to commit to the bit too much. If you have to speak in a different voice the entire night, it's way too much work.

[B]

I know. I also am, like, kind of want to be hot at my Halloween party.

[A]

You don't Also, if when it comes to a Halloween costume, it can't be like, oh, who are you? Like, it needs to, like, you need to walk in the room, and people need to go, oh, my God, I love. That's so. Oh, my God, that's so good.

[B]

But here's my thing of, like, obviously, in this room, Lisa Rinna and Harry Hamlin would. But in a mixed crowd of my friends, who are a lot of, like, film people, they're gonna be like, who.

[F]

The fuck are you?

[A]

But yeah, you know your audience for sure.

[D]

Do you think the film people are gonna know the Dinkly boys?

[F]

That's crazy.

[B]

No, but, like, me and my friend are, like, stupid by choice.

[E]

Mary. I think they're so dumb. Don't do the Da Vinci twins.

[D]

Okay, Sierra, what are you gonna be?

[C]

I usually take it pretty seriously, but I tend to do it kind of later on. So right now I have no idea what I'm going to be. And I have to think of what Connor's gonna be too, so.

[D]

See, that's where it gets me. It's like I have of what, like, couple now. Like, it has to be a group thing now. Like, River's involved. Like, it's just too much. And last year, river was a strawberry. Nick and I were quote, unquote, strawberry farmers. Like, okay, you can. I want her to be a cat because she loves cats so much. But, like, what are we, the cat owners?

[A]

Big pussies.

[E]

Oh, wait.

[B]

River can be a cat and you guys can be me and Justin.

[C]

You could be Aristocats.

[D]

But who would Nick and I be?

[C]

Edgar, you would be not Marie, the mom. The. The. The beautiful put together white cat. River should be Marie. And then Nick is o'. Malley.

[D]

Thomas o'.

[E]

Malley.

[B]

Yeah, Nick does give o' Malley.

[C]

O', Malley, the alley cat.

[A]

Purr. Speaking of sexy cats, your host, me, has been nominated for People magazine's sexiest Podcaster.

[E]

Rar.

[D]

Yes, he has.

[A]

I was not nominated last year. I. I did leave. I did lose to Taylor Lautner because I can't do backf. Yeah, I'm also nominated against. I know I'm already gonna lose because.

[D]

Matt Rogers and Bone Yang.

[A]

Matt Rogers and Bone Yang are also nominated.

[D]

Well, Mary publicly said she was voting for them, so I said.

[B]

And then I said, jk, I actually did vote for you. I did vote.

[D]

And then did you vote again under a different email?

[A]

Yeah, no, no, no.

[B]

I got there. I got there and I stared at it for, like, a good. Like, truly, I'm being completely vulnerable. And I was like, yeah, I have to go next because it's also. I feel like it's unfair because it's two of them and one.

[A]

It's actually shocking. It's a category because I never thought, like, something like, People magazine would put man and sexy in podcasts in the same sentence.

[B]

Yeah, it seems like an oxymoron.

[D]

All of, like, all of the prompts are interesting. It's like, sexiest man with tattoos.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

Dylan Efron. Your boy Dylan Efron also. Who will be joining us on a special edition of Ask Nick, celebrity guest Dylan Efron, who is also a listener of Ask Nick and has incredible relationship insight. That is Monday's episode of Ask Nick. If you haven't joined an Ask Nick episode, you've been missing out. And if I'm not a reason to join sexy Dylan Efron is. I was a little offended because I thought, you know, maybe it's my butterfly tattoos that aren't so sexy.

[E]

I don't know.

[A]

But also there's a category for, like, sexiest 40 year old, which of all the categories I like. I'm sorry, Derek Hough.

[D]

I did not vote Derek Hough for that.

[A]

Who did you vote for?

[D]

Well, you have to vote to get to the podcasters. I had to vote.

[E]

Okay.

[D]

You know, I did vote Dylan.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Wait, did we just stop at 40s?

[B]

Yeah, they just stopped at. There was also sexiest fictional character, which I of course, did vote for Dr. Robbie. Yeah.

[A]

Anyways, you can go to our link in bio on our Instagram and vote for Matt Rogers and Bowie.

[D]

Give river something to brag about one day.

[A]

Yeah, it's for the kids.

[C]

My dad's the sexiest podcaster of 2025.

[B]

What if you lose to Seth Meyers in the Lonely Island? How would that feel?

[A]

Well, right now all I have is special forces. You know, I' I won this for you when you were just a little, little, little, little, like, you know, baby, little, little baby egg.

[E]

Special forces is the one to brag about too.

[C]

And you made it far. Dancing with the stars.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

You learned how to do merengue. I can't do that.

[D]

Speaking of which, I think it's so funny. So Tuesday night, Dancing with the Stars, it was Disney night, which is a fun category.

[A]

And all the sexy guys are always like, the prince or something hot. And I'm always reminded that there was some producer on Dancing with the Stars that fucking hated was on because they made me Pinocchio and I had to shave my beard.

[D]

Maybe that's why I don't correlate you with no beard today.

[E]

Maybe.

[D]

You know, it was.

[A]

It was my best dance, and I'm proudly. I proudly embraced it.

[D]

I feel like I don't know who can.

[C]

Who won Whitney and Mark when he.

[A]

Gets the highest score every week, 25 out of 30.

[C]

Whitney's an amazing dancer. I'm sorry. Like, I'm. I know that the tiktoks. I was like, you don't know what you're looking at. But I am like, no, she Is she is skilled.

[D]

No, she did great.

[C]

I.

[D]

In my opinion. Opinion. I thought Alex, Earl and Val definitely.

[A]

Most fun, coolest dance. Just the vibe of it all. Really cool. I was into it.

[C]

She's so sharp with her movements, too. And I feel like she's somebody who, like every week. Same with Dylan. It's like they give them notes and they come back even better.

[A]

But just, like, the costume and the vibe and the music, I was into it. Some of the other dances were kind of, I don't know, boring.

[G]

Yeah.

[D]

Like, didn't love the song that Whitney and Robert chose. Like, what was that from? I thought it was Tarzan. The way he was, like, coming down from a stripper pole in, like, a floral top. I was like, this is kind of giving, like Tarzan.

[A]

Speaking of Whitney and Robert, we have a very special going deeper with them on Wednesday. You will not want to miss that shameless plug. But, yeah, it was. It's a fun show. Dancing with the Stars now. They're gonna go next Tuesday.

[C]

Oh, and it sounds like Dylan has something up his sleeve for next week.

[D]

He kind of. What is the next week category?

[C]

That I don't know.

[A]

They were. I'm really proud of Dylan. This episode. This. This week. Because he was smiling. He looked like he was having fun. That's really important. Dylan. Dylan's 100% going to the finals.

[B]

Next week's Dancing with the Star theme is dedication night.

[D]

What did you do for dedication?

[A]

You don't want to know.

[C]

They said that they thought that he was going to do High School Musical because of his brother in Disney. And he was like, well, if I'm around next week, I've got something special planned. Which sounded like he wasn't supposed to tease that, but. But I wonder if his dedication's gonna be to his brother.

[D]

I thought he would too. And then we had Riley and Scott do High School Musical.

[A]

Scott's doing really great. I enjoy his dances.

[E]

He's got good energy. I can do. He can dance and sing. He's a performer.

[A]

But, like, being as tall as he is, he's at a disadvantage.

[E]

He's a little.

[A]

He's lanky.

[C]

I also think he's kind of at a disadvantage. Cause I think he's one of the lesser known people on this cast this year.

[A]

Maybe mainstream, but he's got a massive following.

[C]

Yeah, I know the whole acapella group, but I'm just like. I think out and I'm like, he impresses me every week. I also think Danielle Fishel did a really good job this week. As well, because she's somebody who I feel like is not a dancer.

[E]

I've heard she's been doing good.

[C]

She did. I want to look like you. I want to be like you from Jungle Book. And their cute little costumes were cute.

[G]

Because they look like little bears.

[C]

That's all.

[D]

No, Jen and Jan, that Jeannie costume was wild. I don't know. Seeing him. Seeing him as Taylor Swift's background dancer is just, like, so sick. But, yeah, they're. They're. The costume.

[B]

They crash.

[C]

I mean, could have gone with Aladdin, but we said no full body dye, and I support that because that's kind of my Halloween vibe.

[A]

Can you imagine if they got eliminated this week, being fully painted in blue doing that move?

[F]

Please.

[B]

You go out, you go straight to Vegas to fill in for the blue man.

[D]

Every time Jen does something with her legs spread wide open, I just think about that sweet little angel baby who just had a baby not too long ago, and it hurts me.

[C]

I just think it about. About the fact that we had an issue with Chippendales.

[A]

Well, you know, Zach has really evolved as a man.

[C]

Yeah, no, 100%. I think he's a great support, but I just think it's funny that I'm.

[E]

Just like, no, she is the Chip and Dale.

[C]

She is the Chip and Dale.

[E]

I mean, going back to Nick being the sexiest man and Special Forces being the one that you should flex. I saw the clip of Eva drowning from the show. She deserves so much. I'm sorry. Like, she lost consciousness. Like, that was a scary clip to watch.

[C]

I didn't see this.

[B]

It stressed me out. Justin Chode.

[A]

I don't think people realize this, how serious that show is. Like, it is not. Not for the faint of heart. And the people who sign up for that show literally put themselves in harm's way, and you literally sign a release saying you could die. And some of the stuff they do is, like, legit. Legit dangerous.

[D]

It was crazy to see someone, like, go unconscious, though.

[E]

She was. Okay. You. Like, you. It's crazy, too, because, like, every Bravo lab is, like, in Eva's comments, being, like, you're so strong because you literally watch her, like, lose consciousness. And then I. I don't know if it's Rudy or whoever that was like. Like, who are you? Where are you? Like, making sure she could answer questions. And she did, but she was, like, catching her breath actively while, like, gaining consciousness.

[C]

And when something like this happens to somebody, are we immediately eliminated or.

[D]

I was about to ask, did she get, like, medically discharged because of that. Or would they let her?

[E]

I don't know actually.

[C]

Or do they keep her in the game if she can, if she wants to participate. I'm watching Love island games and there's one guy who's or Chris actually Chris from this past season. His finger got broken during one of the challenges so he like immediately had to be sent home.

[D]

I thought he had basketball to play overseas.

[C]

Did you see that clip of him out that I guess some club that he was at put on a marquee coming out to his table. Still not overseas.

[B]

That's so evil. That's awesome.

[A]

Anyways, Special Forces is wild. It's no joke. Be sure to check it out. It is airing now. Madison is here ready to join us to get into some love is blind controversy. I think we are fully Team Madison at this point. That was he finally admitted he was drunk. Yeah, we needed but he barely admitted.

[D]

He was like maybe.

[A]

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[F]

Thank you for having me. I'm so happy to be here.

[A]

Well, what a wild couple episodes you've been a part of. Really. Just I want to say thank you for bringing the drama this season. I don't know if you guys, you probably didn't because you probably Filmed right around the time they filmed Minneapolis, but, boy, that was boring. So, anyways, just a selfish. Thank you. Anyways, I guess where. Where do we start? Let. Start by, you know, I. I always ask the same question to many of the cast members, but obviously this cr. This experiment is crazy. Joe certainly wanted us to know just how insane it was, but we. We do recognize the insanity of just signing up and being a part of this show. So I am just curious, you know, were you a fan? Have you watched it when you got this opportunity, what was going through your mind saying yes to such a crazy experience? Experiment?

[F]

Oh, my gosh. You know, I actually was a fan. I watched Love is Blind since season one, and I really loved it because of the way that it resonated with me as far as my eye condition goes. And I was like, this is so what I need to do to see truly, like, in the long run, if this is what my life could be like, and to kind of get to explore that was just so incredible.

[A]

Speaking of your condition, just to, like, fully understand it, is this. Is this something where, you know, at some someday, you. You will still be blind, or is it you. You don't know, and it's kind of like 50, 50. Like, can you better explain, you know, that what you have to deal with on a. On a daily basis?

[F]

Yeah, absolutely. So I have something called retinitis pigmentosa. So it's a degenerative eye condition. It is not 100 that I will go blind. My prognosis is very up in the air. There's so much research happening right now. So really, it's a good time to have this. This diagnosis because of all the research and all the clinical trials and things that are happening. But rp, case by case, is so different for each person. So my RP is gonna be different from somebody else's rp? I know people that are younger than me that have never driven. I know people that are 70 and still have some range of vision. So I wish I could give you a clear prognosis. I wish I had one myself, but it really is kind of up in the air. However, it's. It is considered a blinding eye disease, so we kind of have to operate with. That may be the case.

[A]

That's obviously so scary, Madison. I mean, like, from a mental health standpoint, can you give us some insight or just for the people who maybe not this condition, but have to deal or live in fear of a. Of a scary diagnosis, how do you handle that and how do you emotionally deal with that and what is that like dating? You know, maybe before you got into Love is Blind. Is that something. Something that you would bring up on a first date? Would you wait for a while? Like, how did you handle that?

[F]

You know, when I was first diagnosed, I was just in shock. Nobody else in my family has this condition, so I really had no information. There was no resource that I knew of to go to. And I really kind of went into denial for a long time. I was genuinely just kind of sticking my head in the sand and not wanting to address it. But I really think that monsters are scarier in the dark. So the more that you learn, the more light that you can shed on it, it. The easier it becomes to kind of digest. So I started doing as much research as I could. I found a community through the foundation Fighting Blindness, which I'm now the president of the Colorado chapter. And I'm really advocating for people to, you know, speak more to their condition. You know, I think any diagnosis, it's a part of us, but it doesn't define us. And I think that's the biggest thing as far as dating. You know, it's pretty evident. I mean, if I go to a bar or a restaurant that's dimly lit, like. Like walking in, I usually will stumble into something. I might run into a chair or honestly trip on some chairs.

[A]

Like, I mean, I do that, too, and I can see just fine, so.

[F]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. So, you know, it comes up pretty quickly. I like to be very open and honest about it. You know, it. It doesn't fully hinder my life, but it's definitely something that a partner has to kind of help me with a little bit.

[A]

Okay, well, let's jump into Love is Blind. I want to start with. We know this experiment is about, you know, not leaning into physical attraction, but, you know, I've said this many times, I can never do this show. Physical attraction matters to me. I hope it's okay for me to say it. You are a stunning, beautiful person. That being said, how did it feel watching it back? Or maybe did you hear about it before watching it back, hearing Joe comment on your body?

[F]

You know, Joe and I had a conversation off camera where we were just kind of talking in general about, like, dating and. And our types, I guess, guest. And he did mention to me that he usually dates. He said it to me as more petite women, you know, when we date, obviously, typically our partners are attracted to us, and we're attracted to our partners. So hearing that, I think I internalized it a little bit. I don't know what his intention was with saying it. I, I think it was kind of an inside thought that was said out loud. Um, but, you know, his words, his words did really carry weight. And I honestly, from that comment, kind of developed an eating disorder disorder. Moving forward. I'm healthy now, but it was something that I had never experienced before. I've always been very self assured, very confident in my body. You know, I think there's insecurities like anybody, but with this experiment being already so emotionally heightened, that really threw me into an insecure space. Watching it back and hearing his actual interviews was very disheartening. It was really hurtful. You know, again, inside thoughts being said out loud that that didn't need to be said. And it made me really sad that instead of this being about our connection, it became about my appearance and it opened the door for the rest of the world to comment further than they already will. That comes with scrutiny of being on a show like this.

[A]

Yeah, I think you said that perfectly because again, like, to your point, everyone has a type, you know, but he does. Like, Joe just has this thing where it's just like. And I'm an honest guy. I've been accused of saying things that maybe I didn't need to say, but you would think.

[D]

I, I'm.

[A]

I've been shocked by Joe's seemingly lack of self awareness when, you know, the cameras are on, where it's just like, I guess I appreciate his honesty. I mean, the drama is, is giving. But did he display any of that kind of unnecessary honesty in the pods?

[F]

You know, I, I'm sad you guys didn't get to see more of our journey in the pods, you know, because I, I really wanted people to see who I fell in love with, with. I would say in the pods, there was no inside voice coming out. I would say it was, you know, very standard conversations. It was very, you know, in the pods, like, I, I didn't fall in love with a monster, you know, and that's, that's something that I really want to make clear here. I know he's been getting a lot of hate in the pods. He was honest in a way that felt very normal. Right. I would say we're both pretty transparent and honest people. So there was nothing that kind of raised a red flag in the pods.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

Getting to Mexico. I think that first get together with everyone where to us. He was clearly very hammered. Um, I think him and Jordan both were like, well past their limit. Uh, and Nick and I kind of joked that in that sixth episode before we got to see the next batch that we were Team Joe just because we were like, this is so obvious that he's hammered. It's like he wants to go take a nap. Like, just let him sleep it off, wake up, he'll be fine the next morning, and then you can have like a normal conversation about it. But then watching episode seven and watching the continuation of that night, we were like, oh, wait, no, sorry. Like, now we're Team Madison. It was very clear that once he woke up, it was like he acted sober. So I assumed that maybe he had sobered up a little bit.

[C]

Bit.

[D]

And it's like he had zero, like, room in his mind to hear you out. He had his opinion on what happened and he was going to let you sit outside and continue to cry and make you feel crazy for your feelings. Did you ever have a conversation about that that wasn't filmed?

[F]

You know, I, I really don't think we did. Um, we kind of were pedal to the metal right after that. You know, it's like you're filming and then you're going back to Denver. So I don't, I don't recall an additional conversation about that.

[A]

Yeah, well, speaking of just kind of going back to what Nally said from. For being in that moment, were you fully aware that he, like, was. First of all, was he shit faced?

[F]

I mean, I can't speak for him. I. I don't. I wasn't counting his drinks, you know, so I don't know.

[A]

So, like, when you were questioning him, you weren't. You weren't sure about it?

[F]

Yeah, no, I honestly, when he went back, I just thought like, okay, he needed a little nap. And what you don't see is that I was at the pool party for an additional probably four or five hours. So in my mind I'm like, okay, he's had four or five hours to nap this off, you know, and so I was kind of given the option, hey, Madison, Joe is still sleeping. You guys are scheduled to film tonight. You can either go get your own room or go check on him. I'm like, well, I would, and of course I want to go check on him. You know, I know he had been drinking. We'd all been drinking. Clearly he had to exit the party for that reason. So I wanted to go back and make sure he was okay. And then in my mind I'm thinking, well, you've napped. I assume you're going to be okay, you know, and I totally understand when he woke up and was like, whoa, whoa, I get being disoriented, but it was more the way that it was so confusing. I was just like, whoa, wait a second, what is going on? Like, and then it kind of continued. And you see, even into episode seven when he seems to be fine, at that point, he's still kind of going in this roundabout type of communication, asking me, like, why are you embarrassed? Like, why this, why that? And it's like I have been saying the same thing. Like I am repeating myself ad nauseam at this point.

[A]

What were you hoping that Joe would do in that moment?

[F]

Well, I think to answer that, I have to back it up a little bit because I was hoping at the pool party that, you know, it's our first time as a couple in a group setting. I was really hoping that he would show up a little bit more for me, maybe a little bit less for.

[D]

Jordan, but I was hoping that he.

[F]

Would show up for me in a way that was consistent with the person that I loved. The pots. That's what I was mainly hoping. So I want to say then in the moment of when I woke him up, I was hoping that we'd have a conversation of how. How do you think the pool party went? Like, it was great to see the other couples, you know, what do you think of so and so and so and so? Because, you know, it's our first time seeing the guys and for them seeing us girls. So I was just hoping to continue the night and continue to develop our relationship on a positive level.

[D]

We obviously watch him and Jordan go back and forth a lot. And then we saw Jordan and Meg kind of go back to their room where she was clearly upset. And we watched how Jordan handled that. Was there any part of you watching it back that I don't know, wished Joe would have handled it that way?

[F]

You know, I think I. I wish that. I wish that Joe just would have had more self awareness through, through the whole experiment. And I think that translates into this situation too, where it's. I wish that he would have just seen that from my perspective. We're here together, you're not showing up, you got drunk. And now I'm still trying to continue this in a calm way, but I'm having a boiling over moment. You know, it's. It's a culmination. It's like I wasn't just upset about him waking up drunk. Like, whatever. That's. That is what that is. I can, I can handle that. I've dealt with drunk people, whatever. It was the culmination of the entire day that Felt like this kind of bubbling up inside of me that was just so frustrating, confusing, and hurtful.

[A]

I'm absolutely obsessed with your phrasing of negative bitch. That was hilarious.

[D]

If you want me to be a negative bitch, I can be a negative bitch.

[A]

Well, to that point where it's just like, I totally empathize with you because we all know this is a crazy experiment. And I don't know about Joe, but you. You know what I love most about. I love a lot of things about my relationship with my wife. But, like, I want a partner that when I'm anxious, when I'm panicking, I want her to let me know it's gonna be okay. When it's the other. When, you know, when she's panicking, when she's anxious, I wanna.

[E]

I'm gonna.

[A]

We don't both need to be okay. We don't need two people freaking out, being like, oh, my God, the world is burning. And, like, it seemed like Joe. I mean, I guess the way I took it is Joe, once he, you know, once he got out of the pods and things got real, like, to your point, like, at the pool party, you would think that every couple, every individual in a relationship would want to show up to that pool party and present as a couple. You know, like, this is my girl. This is my man. You know, like, we are together and. And start, like, laying the groundwork of a. Of a team. Right, right. And to your point, it seemed like specifically Joe, a little bit of Jordan was like, I'm. I'm in this by myself, and I'm just trying to, like, survive as an individual. And. Yeah, there was no checking in with you. There was no, like, holding hands, physical intimacy. And by physical intimacy, I mean just like that. Just like a hand around the shoulder or the waist or just like, connecting with your partner. He was very much on Joe Eilish. Yeah.

[F]

You know, I totally agree with that. I think in partnership, there's oftentimes bids for connection. And you kind of see me having these bids of connection at the pool party. You know, I go up to him, I'm even. I'm even trying to be silly. Like, I'm like, do I have tasteful under boob? Like, you know, just being silly, having fun, like, reading the room. And it just felt like every bid for connection was ignored. And I felt. I just felt sad. You know, I was still very much in observation mode. Right. Like, seeing, how do we operate? How do we move through the world together? Do you operate? How do you move through the world? But it is. It is hard, it is sad when your expectation doesn't meet the reality.

[D]

I know you mentioned he's been getting a lot of hate. I did realize that he has a podcast. I don't know if this started before or after Love is Blind, but where he was kind of, like, poking fun at the hate and comments that he's getting. How did that make you feel?

[F]

You know, I think it was on Brand for Joe. Pretty typical deflect, you know, not really address what the issue is. Yeah, I mean, he has a right to react however he wants to. This stuff, you know, it's. It's very difficult for all of us.

[A]

You also. I mean, if I remember correctly, maybe I'm wrong, but I think you did him a real good kindness by. By mentioning how good the sex was.

[F]

Yeah, I thought I did, too.

[A]

Do you stand by what you said, or were you being really not nice?

[F]

I. You know, I don't think it would. Yeah, I.

[C]

Sure.

[F]

I stand by it. You know, I stand by it.

[B]

It was.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

What are your thoughts and. Or opinions on Nick?

[F]

Oh, you know, I really don't know Nick very much. I cut it off with him on day one in the pod, so I. I didn't get to know him on a personal level. I have heard things. Right. But I. I don't know. I truly. I don't know him well enough to be able to have an opinion on it. On him.

[C]

What made you cut it off with him the first day?

[F]

I just wasn't attracted to his voice.

[C]

I was like, maybe there's something that was said.

[E]

I don't know.

[G]

Yeah, it's just because in episode nine, I know Joe kind of has that funny. I thought it was funny where he was just kind of like, yeah, I'm just. Nick's not. Not the guy for me. Like, I wouldn't be friends with him. And then you kind of insinuated something. I forget who you were talking to, but you kind of said something else about maybe it was Kate Tate, about how, like, people don't like Nick.

[F]

Yeah. Yeah. Again, it's. It's all what I've heard. Like, it's all things I had heard through the boys. I mean, the boys were the ones, you know, able to speak to that far more than we could, I guess, outside of, you know, who dated Nick. But that's what I had heard. I had heard the general consensus was not a fan.

[A]

What did you learn about yourself as an individual and as. As a dater through this experience?

[F]

Oh, that's a really good question, Nick. I learned. Oh, man. I would say I learned to trust my instinct, to really lean into that when I'm having a feeling, lean into that, trust myself a hundred percent. I also learned a much better sense of self. I learned a better way to kind of lean into me and not allow other people words to influence me or. Or deviate me from my character. Yeah, I think, you know, overall, I. I really just learned to love myself. Like, I really say all the time, like, I found love in the pods in more ways than I could have expected. And one of those being falling in love with myself.

[A]

Again, question for the ladies, including you, Madison. Everyone here, like, are you. Do you. Do you ladies like boxers on men? Like, yeah, the shorts, like, not the boxer brief. Like, I think I wasn't Joe wearing boxers. Like, is he a boxer guy? I don't feel. Feel like there's a lot of bunching, you know, they're like shorts.

[F]

I do like. I. I love boxers. I like. I like a boy butt. I've said it a number.

[A]

That's what I'm saying. Don't accentuate the butt a lot.

[D]

The boxer brief, tight Calvin Klein one. Ones that maybe the, like, shorts.

[F]

Yeah, I think it's a compression.

[D]

The, like, plaid shorts he was wearing, like, yeah. Boxer.

[A]

Is that what he wore normally? Because, like, in that scene where he was calling you woman, I thought that was crazy, though, when he was like, woman, like, okay.

[F]

Yeah. I think he was actually still wearing his swim trunks.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

He must have been really hammered then.

[D]

Are you surprised or not by Edmund's personality?

[F]

I. You know, it's funny because when we were in the pods, like, being in the lounge, we would hear Edmonds literally, like, yelling Calabria. Like, from the other side. So I feel like I kind of had like, a taste of the Edmund, you know, like, what. He was very eccentric. I. I think I was a little bit surprised, you know, just at the pool party, like, there was a few moments that I was kind of like, wow, you're having very emotional reactions. Or, you know, you're very intense. I think that's a good way to describe Edmund is very intense.

[A]

Well, watching it back, Natalie and I have had a disagreement on this. I just think he is incredibly eccentric and emotional. But did you back to, like, was it episode. At the ending of episode six? I think a lot of people are divided by Edmund's reaction. Obviously, when we're talking about sex and things like that, it's a heightened topic, and I think people are just more keen on. On reading Reactions and what people are saying. But from your perspective, putting yourself in Calibria's shoes, how did you see how Edmund handled that situation? How did you read his tears? Some people found it manipulative. Other, you know, me, I, I, not so much. But I'm curious about your perspective.

[F]

Well, I first want to say I think KB handled that situation with such a grace. I personally would have been very angry if somebody was pressuring me to have sex. As far as Edmund's reaction, you know, I think something that's important to know is, you know, he grew up in foster care. He, he speaks openly about that. And I think that when you have an upbringing like that, it lends itself to, you know, developmental differences. And I think that he had to kind of of learned through foster care. I get attention when I act out. I get love when I act a certain way. Of course, these are just my thoughts. I, I, you know, I haven't spoken to Edmund directly, so I think that what you're seeing is he's having an emotional reaction to something and maybe doesn't know exactly where to place that and how to appropriately communicate it.

[E]

Wow.

[A]

Yeah. When you're in the pods and I'm. Because we saw. We saw, I think was it was Sparkle Megan. Was it Ryan? Is that the guy she. I didn't pick Mike. Mike. They asked each other what they're wearing in one scene. And if I'm in the pods, I would ask that every time because I just feel like someone's style, how they dress themselves, how they carry themselves, like, matters to me. Like, did you ask questions like that or. And what was some of the common questions that you asked the people you dated to try to, like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I'm sure you're thinking of a lot of questions like, I can't ask this. I don't want to seem superficial, but how do I ask questions that give me insight into who they are?

[F]

Well, you know, I really, I wanted insight into the character. I wasn't so much focused on, like, what are you wearing? What are you thinking? But we absolutely, Joe and I had many, many times, like, oh, like, what are you wearing today? You know, and we'd kind of like, giggle and laugh about it because he's, like, explaining his outfit. I'm like, that just sounds like such a man outfit. Like, I can't even, I can't even, like, comprehend what that looks like. So we did talk a lot about, you know, what we were wearing. We asked those questions, questions that I asked Personally, I asked a lot of times, do you know your attachment style? Style. That was something that I was very interested in because I am a little bit more of a disorganized attachment, so I do not do well with avoidant attachment.

[D]

Was that Joe's.

[F]

So I would definitely kind of ask questions like that. I don't know actually what his is. Honestly, I don't think he had done the testing, so he wasn't sure what his was. Um, through my experience, I would actually say he might be more disorganized like me, where it's kind of a mix of avoidant, anxious.

[A]

I know Joe's getting a lot of heat and. And deservedly so. That being said, just. Just for the sake of grace, what are some qualities that maybe people didn't get to see from Joe that you did that, you know, explained why you fell for this man?

[F]

Yeah. In the pods, he was so adamant about choosing me. I mean, he was, like, so sure of me, and I think that's a really great quality, is that he was so loyal. He was so, like, gung ho, committed. I mean, literally, I was the one being like, no, I. You should still see out your other connections, because I'm still seeing my other connections out. You know, like, I literally went to proposal day with somebody else because I was still trying to see is this for. I wanted to be sure he was that other person. And I think that was a really. Oh, he's not even shown on the show, so. Yeah, and we're friends, but, you know, he. He had these moments, kind of like these quiet moments where I felt like there was just really deep connection. Um, and I don't know how to articulate that as a character trait, but he kind of had. There were moments that I felt grounded with him, and so there were times that I did feel a grounding energy. Um, and, you know, he really was, in general, very reassuring, I would say, in general. You know, I. I would be kind of on eggshells, but then I would feel reassured. So, yeah, I mean, I think in the pods, I. I just really. He was so consistent. He was so consistent in the pods, and that was something that I was really looking for, is somebody to kind of ground me, because I think that I can be a little bit more. You know, I'm an emotional person. I feel everything, and so I can be a little bit back and forth on emotions, and I felt like he was very grounding and very centered in the pods.

[A]

Well, Madison, really appreciate you taking the time. I know you have to get going do you have any, like, final thoughts before we let you go? We got to keep it short though, because you do have to go.

[F]

Okay. No, honestly, thank you so much for having me. Like, I just want everybody to know that if you're your truest self, the true love will find you. So.

[A]

Well, we really appreciate it. We've really enjoyed watching you. It's been a ton of fun. Best of luck the rest of the way. We're excited to see how things play out, but just know that you have fans and us here at the Vile Files.

[F]

Thank you guys so much for having me.

[A]

All right, take care, Madison.

[D]

Bye.

[F]

Bye.

[A]

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[A]

All right, what do we all think of a Madison?

[C]

I loved her.

[B]

Love.

[C]

Can I also say, did she kind of resemble Stassi Schroeder a little bit?

[E]

Oh, yeah, a little bit.

[A]

I see it.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

I kept looking at her, and I was like, I wonder if she ever gets that because she's really giving a Stassi Schroeder.

[A]

Did she dye her hair? Is it darker?

[C]

It's darker.

[B]

Really not doing Joe any favors here.

[C]

I'm just not that guy.

[B]

I don't know.

[E]

She doesn't have to do him Any favors?

[B]

No, I'm not saying she should.

[F]

I'm just.

[A]

What if they're married?

[C]

What if.

[B]

If they're married, then God bless them.

[C]

Yeah, two souls that understand each other. Because I don't get it.

[E]

Some people just like the bait and switch of like, I hate you one second. I love you.

[B]

Yeah. Toxicity breeds a little horniness.

[G]

Drama. Everybody needs some drama, you know?

[A]

I mean, Joe is. To me, he's just clearly panicking and he's just like. I think there was that scene where the rest of the guys and they're like, hey, we're three weeks out. And he was like, three weeks? I mean, Joe is in absolute spiral mode. Like, he.

[D]

He's finding anything he can to like, start a fight.

[A]

And he desperately wants Madison to break up with him. Like the classic guy move where it's just like, break up with me. Don't make me the asshole. I. I just.

[E]

He.

[A]

He is. He is sabotaging the relationship for the sake of self preservation.

[B]

I think my thing with Joe is that obviously a lot of people go on the show show with the thought that they could potentially get married, but Joe really doesn't seem like he has any intention of marriage when you're going on a show where the plot is to do that. And so it's just a bit confusing.

[A]

Like he's like, wait, wait, we get married at the end of this?

[B]

Yeah. Did he read his contract?

[C]

What show did you sign up for?

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

Because this is ending in marriage.

[B]

Uh huh.

[A]

At least Ali is like, to me, Allie is in it just for fame. Like, she. My guess is she's already filmed a season of Perfect Match. Like she's. She's playing the long game, you know what I'm saying? And like, she's gonna like my prediction with Ally and what's his name?

[C]

Anton.

[B]

Anton.

[A]

Anton is. She is gonna be the coolest partner, super chill, everything is fine. And at the very end, she's gonna.

[E]

Say, no, I don't think she's in it for the fame.

[A]

I think. Really, why?

[E]

She. She doesn't like that Anton's partying. Like, she wants to be a stay at home person. She's a nurse and nurses could be in it for the fame, don't get me wrong. But like, she seems sweet and wholesome. Like, to me, I saw her and I was like, oh, this is a reminder that like, hot, nice people exist.

[A]

You can.

[D]

I don't know, it was.

[G]

Everyone on the Bachelor is a nurse.

[D]

Weird conversation that she had with Anton about, like, has anyone ever Put makeup on you. And he was like, no. And she was like, I'm going to put makeup on you. It was like, I mean, okay, I guess, but, like, why?

[E]

She's just weird. I don't think she's like, I like, in it for the fame.

[D]

No, I like her, too. But, I mean, I want to be.

[A]

Clear when I say in it for the fame. That is not like me saying, this is a bad person. This is a TV show. Like, we all like everyone to some degree. I just think Ali's playing it like, she has the self awareness. Like, you know, for me. Right, right. Like, it's not like, when I first went on the Bachelorette, I didn't, like, do it for the fame, but I. You know, like, there was like. When I signed up for it, there was like, hey, I'm on tv. This is exciting. This is cool. There's an ego part of it. Like, when I got into the Bachelor world, I lost my mind and got sucked into that world where Ally has the self awareness. I think that she, like, she sees past the bubble. Like, she's never fully losing her herself in this experiment, and she's. Oh, I think in the back of her mind, she's like, perfect match.

[E]

Perfect match.

[A]

Perfect match.

[C]

And she's gonna do great on it.

[E]

There was a.

[A]

She's gonna thrive.

[E]

In one of the teasers, there was, like, a clip of Anton, like, saying she doesn't, like, clean up after herself, too, which was interesting.

[A]

I think he's more ocd, and she's just a little messy.

[B]

I love a messy queen. As one myself.

[C]

Representation matters.

[B]

Hey, it really does was.

[A]

Yeah. There's a huge difference between, like, leaving food out and being filthy and just, like, clothes everywhere. Take off your clothes. Like, your bathroom floor being full of, like, sweatpants and sweaters, and.

[E]

And you'll get to it eventually.

[B]

Yeah.

[G]

Dirty and messy are two different things.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm not dirty. I'm not dirty. I'm. I'm messy.

[D]

Well, do y' all think Todd Napoleon is dirty or messy?

[F]

Both.

[E]

Both.

[A]

Diva.

[E]

He's not dirty. He's just messy.

[F]

I don't know.

[C]

I think he's kind of.

[B]

I think a lawsuit implies dirty. That's pretty.

[D]

$10 million lawsuit against Bravo.

[A]

For what?

[D]

Defamation, where I'm like, can you sue.

[C]

The entire network, by the way?

[E]

We have.

[A]

We've transitioned to housewives for any.

[G]

Are we not going to talk about Nick and Annie?

[E]

Oh, my God. Wait, no. Nobody else was Confused their argument.

[A]

Yeah, that was. That was bonkers.

[E]

I watched it Twice. I was like, what is going on?

[G]

Argument. No, I kept rewinding because I was like, why is she so upset? I, like, really couldn't figure out it out. And then what got me is when she, like, kept being like, I don't need you. I don't need you. I don't need you in my life.

[A]

Okay, I guess I'll just leave.

[G]

He kept being like, I hear you. I hear you. Like, he has way more patience than I would.

[C]

This is a PSA for all new couples. Do not have serious conversations when someone is wasted. That girl was literally drunk. She wasn't having the same conversation he was. She kept coming, jumping back in, being like, I don't need you, or, like, coming in with a completely different thing. I was like, that girl is not coherent to what's going on.

[E]

I would.

[A]

Yeah. It's also, like, it's not sounding the way you meant it to sound because it's coming across as, like, way harsh. It's like, I. I mean, I. I want you. I mean, we're arguing semantics, but, like, I want Natalie to want any me. Like, I don't want it to be like, you know what? Honestly, I could do without you.

[C]

There's a way to say that to where I'm like, I understand her trying to empower herself of being like, I don't need you in my life. I'm choosing to have you in my life. Because you add to it. Because you benefit. Because I benefit from having you.

[E]

I saw the vision. I saw.

[C]

I see what she's trying to say, but that's why I was like. Even when she was repeating things back, I was like, that's not what was said. So that's how I know you're not in your right mind.

[E]

I will say, though, she absolutely did.

[A]

Not stick the landing.

[C]

No.

[G]

And it was one of those moments where I was like, how did we get here? Because the whole argument was about, like, how she felt like he. She was more into him than he was into her. And then she was like, I don't need you. And he's like, what? I was, like, trying to hold her.

[D]

Hand, and she's, like, brushing him away. And then he's like, I've been trying. You keep pushing me. She's like, well, then come here.

[A]

Yeah, honestly, I just think she's overheating with that much hair around her head.

[E]

No, don't do it. Just.

[A]

I can't. I don't know for. I'm all for an extension, you know, pop off queens, but, like, that is Just so much hair on that, on that tiny person.

[B]

You guys, I, I support however they want to communicate. You know, love is love when it comes to the two of them.

[C]

I see what you did there.

[E]

I will say, in Annie's defense, I get irritated when, like, I feel an issue when someone's talking to me. Overly peaceful. So when Nick was like, just go to bed. It's okay. Just go to bed, I would have been irritated too.

[D]

I mean, I hate the saying, tomorrow's a new day.

[A]

I'm still gonna be pissed.

[B]

I'll wake up with hate in my heart. I don't care.

[G]

There's nothing that irks me more than somebody feeling comfortable to just go to bed in the middle of an argument where I'm just like, are you fucking kidding me?

[D]

And you know, it's probably like 2, 3am so he's like, it's already a new day. Let's just move on and get past it.

[A]

Although Natalie and I have learned in therapy that like, and it's, it's such a, it's such a fine line because, like, we all grow up with this idea of like, don't go bed, don't go to bed angry and things like that. But like, that also doesn't mean you need to finish a fight and finish an argument. And like, we've had to learn how to in our few very selective, very once in a while fights.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

And it's always Natalie. And it really pisses me off. And she's right too, because she's like, we're not. We're finishing this later.

[D]

And I'm like, like, like, no matter what, we'll. We can be pissed, but like, we'll get in the bed and be like, by the way, still love you. We could talk about it tomorrow. But I do love you. And then that's like it. And then you go to bed and then you wake up and you go about your day. And then maybe around like, I don't know, 4 or 5pm the next day, you're like, hey, let's chit chat about what happened yesterday.

[B]

Circling back, you guys.

[G]

Something like that.

[A]

It usually works.

[D]

But speaking of messy and dirty, now Todd Napoleon.

[E]

Oh, my God. First of all, didn't he name Audra Demora? Yeah, he already crossed out on a live stream.

[A]

Give us context. We're a little all over the place.

[E]

Someone, we already know that Todd crashed out on a live stream like a month ago being like, I only agreed to participate this because they said they were going to tell the truth. And then I saw the first three episodes, and it's them lying about me. And he's specifically referencing, like, the Housewives, like, her castmates, like, forcing her to paint him in, like, this negative light. And in that live stream, he was like, I'm not broke. I own a shopping center. Like, he owns real estate.

[A]

I can assure you without ever seeing a Bravo contract. The contract doesn't say, we'll make sure that we show you in the light that you want.

[E]

Yeah, right. And he was saying something, if I remember correctly, in the live stream that, like, Bravo also promised him or the producers promised him that it would be, like, a good light, which I don't.

[A]

Think they would still sign a contract that says we can do whatever the.

[C]

Fuck we want with your likeness and with your consent. So that's why I'm so confused. And I'm like, and you chose of all types. Types of people to marry a housewife?

[B]

Yeah. He also named elect Adriana d' Amora for alleging multiple times that she had heard that they were having some money trouble.

[E]

So this is. This is in the lawsuit, but to, like, wrap up the live stream part. Remember, he said that the reason they divorced is because of Housewives. So that was the whole conversation that he was like, you guys are the reason that I divorced Alexia because I had to divorce her to protect my peace. And, like, now in this lawsuit, he's suing Bravo for defamation. And Adriana d', Amore, like, Mary said she was one of. She just openly spoke on the show about how she heard that.

[C]

She also said it was directly from Todd.

[B]

That would be like John Barlow suing Bravo.

[C]

But that's what I'm saying. You fought so hard to get yourself, what does Miami have, a martini or a cocktail, and yet now that you're being talked about, you don't like the way that you're being talked about, so you want to sue. It's like, there's no way that Bravo doesn't have something in their contract, too, to protect against this. Because, like, anybody could say that, you know that you're going to get edited. You know that there's hours of filming that we don't get to see the full context. So you shouldn't be signing up for little and marrying a housewife. Do you want to sue them?

[E]

He does allege that he didn't sign a contract for specific moments in season six and seven. So I think.

[D]

I don't think it works like that.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, that definitely didn't happen.

[F]

It's not a sign contract for only.

[D]

This next hour of filming and nothing further.

[C]

And you're talking about Bravo, where there's been such more insidious that has happened in past seasons, years and years ago, that Bravo by now in the Lord's year 2025, has knows how to protect themselves.

[B]

I'm still really, really rooting for a Judge Judy typ of Bravo lawsuits. Like, I want it so bad. I want it so bad.

[E]

This is just, yeah, to Sarah's point, this is a lawsuit that like, is the bottom of the barrel out of all the lawsuits that have existed. Like, this one's like, okay, if you.

[D]

Did not watch the Real Housewives of Miami reunion part one or you did and you don't remember what happened, here is your rapid recap. It's reunion time. Andy speaks a little Spanish. Dale up said like pitbull dal Italian. I don't know. I'll work on it. Lars says dating another NBA player in nature is healing. Alexia and Todd are no contact first, sure. But she does admit the narcissist party was in fact about Todd. Gertie doesn't accept anyone's apology re Julia throwing water and overall being a demon. She also doesn't think she took it to social media. However, the microscopic dots on her Instagram stories may disagree. Divalina Gertie also addresses the literacy crisis in America, claiming her text receipts did prove her case. The girls just don't read. Stephanie Sojay serving the Riddler chic is proud of being filthy rich but does want to work on her tone. Adriana feels like there is a dagger in her heart because she's not Julia's kids godmother. Why does she care so much? Maybe it's because Julia is friends with Alexia and Marisol now. Or maybe it's because Julia and Adriana slept together in the Hamptons. Overall, who topped if God is good? We'll find out in part two of the reunion.

[A]

What a very casual way of saying I cheated on my wife.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Martina, she's like, we were just going through something. I'm like, I guess.

[D]

Do we think she gave Adriana the head heads up that she was going to bring that up?

[E]

Absolutely not.

[F]

No.

[A]

Do you think she didn't pick her as her godmother because she thought she.

[C]

Was bad in bed or because she had a tryst?

[E]

I think what they alluded to is that Adriana, the flashbacks Adriana was alluding to. Well, you don't want me to say something. You don't want me. It's going to be dark if I say it, and I think Julia was like, well, I'm going to just say it for you.

[C]

And listen, I hate to come for Julia, but, like, I do feel like this is Julia's Hail Mary pass.

[B]

It is.

[C]

Please keep me on for next season.

[E]

But also, we don't know that it was cheating. I mean, it could have been opened. That's why I think she was.

[D]

No, no, no. In the preview for the next one, she said that someone asked if they were open, and she said no. They were going through a tough time in their marriage.

[E]

Yeah, well, there you go. I tried Julia.

[A]

I mean, that's quite the Hail Mary.

[C]

I mean, it's kind of giving Sheena a sorry, but, like, throwing your, like, marriage under the bus to be like, maybe I'll get to stay on a show. Like, that's crazy. I hope, like, Martina's heard about this before and is she okay with that? Being exposed to the world?

[A]

We'll probably tweet about it using football references. Calling an audible here. Can we just, like, circle back to the drama that's going. Lala and Sheena, like, what's going on there?

[C]

They are going back and forth, but not. I don't know. I haven't seen Sheena's latest retort back, but Lala responded about Sheena saying that Lala threw a tantrum or something in front of her kid while they were on the phone or something and cussed her out.

[A]

Do you think this is all performative and, like, beyond tv?

[C]

Okay, so the whole thing is that people are saying, remember the whole. Tamra said that Sheena had said that her biggest dream is to be on the Orange County Housewives. A lot of people think that this is coming back and forth because Sheena's bitter about Lala being consistently on the Valley and Sheena not looking that, I guess, or not filming for that. But at the end of the day, it is really hard to tell because, I mean, they share a pretty much a wall in Palm Springs. They have houses right next to each other. Their kids go to school together. So I'm, like, throwing these, like, hits at each other back and forth. I'm like, who is this helping or hurting?

[A]

It's just like. Yeah, because it's like, if you're really fighting, do you really fully take it online? Constantly.

[D]

I think it was especially someone who they considered to be that close of friends.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

I mean, she called Sheena's podcast fucking insufferable. Like, I'm like, You know what I mean? Just like, it's like, You're. You're going for each other's work. You're saying these things about stories about being a bad parent in front of children. Like, I'm like, these are also hits that you don't really come back from. And neither one of you are on a show together that this serves.

[E]

I think it's so.

[C]

I'm, like, orchestrated for what I think they.

[E]

I have a theory and no evidence to this, just my own theory that since they were best friends two seconds ago, that they were like, okay, let's just go for it. And, like, the next season's off limits. Or, like, we can rehash after, but, like, let's just make it something.

[C]

But, like, I would understand that if they were on VPR together. But it's like.

[E]

I mean, they're gonna. It's Valley drama. And, like, Sheena's being teased with Alex Baskin for OC for probably an appearance. But I think it's just, like, they know that it's gonna serve them in the long run to stay relevant.

[A]

I mean, let's be real. Like, they're professional reality TV that are out of work.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And all they know is this is like, you know, this is all they know. It's like, you know, you know, it's just like, they don't want to consider a career change.

[C]

Right. But, like, Lala's on a show right now, so she could choose not to respond to Sheena at all.

[E]

Sheena was technically. She's on it, too. Technically.

[C]

The Valley she didn't film, I guess, for the season.

[E]

She just didn't. We see her for scenes, but she just hasn't been in most of them.

[B]

Well, she wasn't on the trip as well. What I saw.

[C]

You're talking about last season or this season?

[E]

This season. I thought they both were kind of.

[C]

It's Schwartz and lala filming with the cast Sheena was rumored to have after her book came out.

[E]

But Sheena's gonna see Valley Season 4.

[B]

Put Sheena on Miami, have her hook up with Julia next. They'll both do it.

[D]

I'm honestly shocked that the girls, like, defended going back to Miami. The girls defended not having Gertie's back with the throw. Throwing water. It's like, how do you.

[C]

It's just weird that they're all like, well, you didn't stand up for me two years ago. And it's like, but I bet you would have liked it if somebody did. Yeah.

[G]

Like, I don't understand.

[C]

Like, why are we justifying throwing things at each Other maybe y' all just stop doing that because you're grown ass women.

[B]

I just, like.

[F]

It's really.

[B]

I just can't. With Julia. There's just. I just. And you know, I. This is coming from me. Usually if I see two housewives hooked up, I. I'm like, this is for me. Hell, yeah. This is what I want on tv. But I'm watching this, and I'm like, okay, Julia, like, how are you, like, gay, evil, and boring.

[E]

That was crazy.

[F]

That's crazy.

[E]

I think I kind of like her. She's hot, but also the.

[B]

She is hot.

[E]

She's not hot.

[A]

Julia's definitely hot.

[B]

Julia's hot.

[C]

But anyways, Lars is dating another NBA player, which I find beautiful. Yeah, she's gonna be.

[D]

Of course he's backstage watching.

[E]

So random.

[C]

What was she saying about, like, her feet photos or something? She was just like, the way that she affords.

[A]

Pick a different sport.

[C]

She's got a type. Okay, well, no, because Marcus didn't even play basketball, did he?

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

I think he was just the son of a famous NBA player.

[B]

Son of Michael Jordan. Thank you. Yeah, she.

[A]

Because she might as well be the greatest basketball player ever play the game.

[B]

And it might as well be the son of your ex husband's former teammate.

[C]

That you absolutely allegedly did not call the paparazzi on.

[D]

Yeah, well, we also have dipped our toes into Potomac, and I'm in. Boy, are we happy. We did.

[B]

It's awesome.

[E]

I love Potomac.

[A]

So she did hire an actor to play her partner.

[D]

Well, we have a rapid recap if you'd want me to.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

We're starting off strong with some dramatic Karen Huger sentencing footage. Giselle and Ashley Darby hope she can stay in AARP section of jail. Thomas Jefferson's concubine is mentioned. Stacy is claiming she did it pay TJ to be her love interest last season and says he is remorseful. TJ and the girls disagree. TJ is suing her. Stacy can't be friends with women who don't support other women and storms off. She's also back with her ex husband, Timo. Kay and Greg broke up, then went to Jamaica and got back together. Her mom isn't pleased. Dr. Wendy and Eddie are slaying life, but her kids don't think she's a real doctor. Ashley Darby is now officially divorced. Remember the photo shoot? We sure do. She also is trying to figure out if TJ is suing Stacy, who says that the truth is that she's forgiven him. Stacy's divorce is Also not in the Virginia database. And her breath is allegedly bad, so no one knows what's going on with her. We've also got two new friends. Angel, who loves matcha and hiking and mindfulness, and Tia, who is a British Nigerian princess. Kay is mad at Dr. Wendy because she didn't say hi to her at an event. Stacy calls Ashley the devil because she wants to see her divorce papers. Overall, Potomac rocks. Very excited to see what happens next. It was strange that Kay had, like, such an issue with, like, that. That whole disagreement with Wendy. I was so. I'm like, so, yeah, you wanted her to wave at you while she's speaking on stage. She's like, well, a friend would have given you a friendly nod.

[B]

I mean, it definitely seems like. And this is the first season of Potomac I've watched, so I don't know, like, the Lord, like, what? If there's anything previously between K and Wendy, but it definitely just seems like Kay is. Feels very invalidated by Wendy and is just, like, projecting Daisy's.

[A]

Her ability to lie is shocking.

[E]

Is she lying, though?

[B]

Not in her mind, no.

[F]

Because.

[A]

Yeah, it's just like, I. I just don't need to talk about it. I don't.

[D]

I've forgiven him.

[A]

I don't need to talk about imaginary people.

[D]

I wonder who it was. She's like, she's not imaginary, and her name is. And then they bleeped it.

[C]

It's very reminiscent to me of when Brooks lied about cancer and how Vicki reacted to it in Orange County. But it was just very like, you know, you've done something wrong. So, of course, instead of wanting to defend yourself, you're kind of like, listen, why don't we just let bygones be bygones? But if somebody else did this, you would not let it go.

[E]

Also, is it. It's not confirmed just yet that she lied.

[C]

It's not.

[E]

We're still gonna unfold them, you know?

[D]

But also, why isn't her divorce in the database?

[E]

I mean, because she's with the guy again.

[D]

I know, but she said that her divorce was finalized, so just because they're, like, back having dinners together doesn't mean they remove it from the database.

[E]

Stacey's not the lawyer. Maybe she thought it was finalized and they pulled it at the right time.

[C]

No, and I love that Stacy was trying to make it seem as if Ashley did these gymnastics to get these results to find out. That hurt. She's not in the database, where it was just like, it's a. It's a really easy search. Anybody has the 10 minutes to do this.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Speaking of, just for context, like, them bleeping that name. That is a person. The person whose name they bleep who didn't sign a Bravo contract.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And so, you know what I'm saying, like, when we watch this shit and people complain Bravo knowing they're an easy target. Target for a frivolous lawsuit, like, that's how careful they are. They don't fuck to find out. So, like, when these people, like, claim this crazy and then sue, like, it's just. It's all. It's just a bunch of egomaniacs who just didn't like their edit.

[D]

Same with OC the guy that allegedly.

[A]

Oh, from the singer guy that Tamara allegedly slept with.

[B]

Yeah. I don't know. I really. I'm coming out as a Ashley Darby. Super fan. Yeah.

[E]

Same.

[C]

Love her.

[D]

Ashley Darby being referred to as a duchess coming down the stairs where she could barely come down the stairs because her dress was so big.

[B]

Yeah. For her second bloom.

[C]

Thank you. That was the second Blossom. Second. I've never heard of this.

[E]

I haven't either.

[B]

I hear it. Maybe. This is crazy. I understood her completely. I was like, no, I get what you're doing. This is. You're finally divorced. You're so happy about. It took 10 years, and now this is your second coming.

[A]

What's. What's Giselle? What's. What she's. What is she famous for, other than housewives? I feel like I've. I know where I've seen her. I've only seen one episode, but she walks and carries herself like she is the number one guy, so to speak. She is like, she's the queen of this cast.

[E]

Her. Her ex is Jamal Harrison Bryant. So just a pasture or a famous politician.

[A]

A pasture or a pasture?

[B]

Pasture. Oh, my God. I didn't realize my dad was a pasture. Who.

[C]

Who called somebody a pasture?

[F]

What? I have no clue.

[C]

But to go, oh, no. Tamara did it season, season, seasons ago in Orange county. And I was watching it.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Oh, well, picking up on Giselle. I. I know Justin will agree with me. If you want some great Giselle content, you girls trip season three in Thailand.

[E]

Yeah. Like you're missing out on the Candace of it all.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

She was good tv. I know they wanted her back. I know Monique's coming back, which is crazy because Candace isn't back this season.

[B]

Also, in that season, you get Giselle interacting with Heather and Whitney from Salt Lake City, which is pretty great.

[A]

Mel. Speaking of. Of Whitney, she's dancing on a Pole.

[B]

She's back.

[A]

Do you want to get a pole in the house, babe?

[D]

You know, I don't know if it fits my, like, decor style.

[F]

Definitely.

[D]

Well, you if you have no idea what we're talking about. Here's your rapid recap for the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Angie says Lisa does French fries. She does franchises. She also says Fresh Wolf belongs at Walmart. Heather goes into peacemaker mode and gets Lisa to apologize to everyone but Whitney. Mary thinks tequila tastes like hospital because all smells have a taste. Whitney is no longer a CEO, so she's ready to get back on her pole. Diva Bronwyn and Lisa sit down and hash things out. Lisa clarifies she does not think Bronwyn is a whore. And that, my darlings, is what we call growth. Mary pulled a vowel files and got a whole new setup for her church. And we finally get to see lunatic fringe. Angie is stepping back behind the chair to give Heather a perm. Amazing. No notes. Oh, also, Lisa's assistant came in and picked up the Fresh Wolf product. And Lisa called her salon dusty via text message. Brittany is trying to be friends with Whitney. Also, she's back with Jared again. Brittany also can't conceptualize taking a break from dating for her daughter's sake. Whitney is really trying with this girl. Bronwyn's mom has a lot of opinions about her parenting style. That whole situation. Yikes. Meredith and Angie are no Laverne and Shirley, but they're trying. Angie also also wants Meredith to know that Lisa is not the Laverne to her Shirley, but begs the question, what if Meredith wants to be Laverne? Then it's revealed that Lisa encouraged Angie to dig up dirt on Meredith's family to use as ammo last year. Meredith isn't sure she believes this, but she is sure going to find out overall, will we get Mary's dream scenario, which is Meredith? Angie team up on Lisa. A girl can hope.

[A]

I really felt for Brawin in this episode. I mean, like, there are good parents and there are bad parents, and I know all parents want to think they're good parents, but, like, when your child goes through some traumatic experience and certainly getting pregnant in a young age, not knowing what you can do. And a lot of parents do this. When parents make it about how they look to their friends and their community. Bron carrying this. This kind of trauma with her mom, I really. I really felt for her. And the fact that her mom, like, still speaks from that point of view.

[C]

While she's taking care of her.

[D]

Yeah, it's just to throw, throw out. Like she would have gone to foster care.

[C]

Yeah, no, I was like, that was dark.

[B]

That was really dark.

[C]

As if there was like a possibility or something or that like Bronwyn wasn't capable if she didn't help. But heaven forbid.

[B]

It just really gives me a lot of empathy for Bronwyn. I think some of the like issues I've had with her is how she really just does seem to kind of like talk a bit out of both sides of her mouth to like really want people to like her. And she's been open about really needing people to like her. And watching this interaction with her mom just gives me like a lot like my heart hurts for her in that way of like, I understand her like.

[C]

Why she can't let Lisa go. And like, we're like, oh my God.

[B]

She's just really, she needs that approval from people. And anyway, I just really hope that she can like get over that and realize.

[D]

I feel bad for Gwen. I know like she, she clearly is still in a place where she just like, how can you sit there as a grandmother to this now like 18 year old who you are living with and still come from this point of view and not be like, you know, I am so grateful. I love her so much. Like, I'm so glad we did what we did back then or you did what you did. Like, the fact that she's still like, that was incredibly hard for me and for your father who has like, okay, I feel like we can move past that.

[A]

This is a whole ass person with a beautiful life. I just, I wish more young mothers were, were supported, you know, to make whatever decision they want to make for themselves. And I just think for all the conversations around young mothers, it's. Yeah, I think they should be supported. They should be. Whatever they want to do, they should do. But they should also not be scared into making various decisions, especially by like.

[D]

Your own mom, like to not have your mom be like, you know what? I, I'm disappointed that this is what happened. But like now you have a baby and this is real and like, let's like, let's get our shit together.

[A]

20 years later, she's still blood shaming her daughter crazy.

[C]

The not buying her pregnant daughter clothes, but buying those sisters like that, that.

[B]

Was like really just like made my.

[C]

Stomach telling the attendant that like that's, that's you want to.

[A]

For Brian to take care of her mother the way she is. Saint.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Hero.

[E]

Oh, same for sure.

[A]

Good fucking person. Like most, a lot of People wouldn't. Like, there's so many people out there that rightfully so, like, hang on to so much anger from their parents. And Brawn's ability to forgive and still take care of her mom is a. She's a. She's a good fucking person.

[D]

Do we think Heather left the salon with only four strands into a perm or.

[B]

Yes, let's please talk about it.

[E]

It was a water perm. It wasn't a real perm.

[A]

What's the difference?

[B]

I just also really, really loved, um, Angie being like, yeah, I don't really have my license anymore. Let's test it back on Heather.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

And, like, Heather came in and her hair looked great. So I'm like, if I'm Heather, I'm like, bitch, don't do this to me today. Like, I have. My hair actually looks good. Like, wait till it's greasy.

[B]

But this is where I. I give producer Heather Gay credit, because she was like, no, this is great content. Like, of course I'm gonna do it.

[C]

Putting those little granny rollers.

[D]

And Lisa, what the fuck, Lisa? I thought we were good.

[E]

Yeah, no, you're never good with Lisa.

[B]

You're never good, and I love her. But, like, was it. Was it bad for Angie to, like, maybe go for Lisa's kids?

[E]

That was random. Something had to be cut out of that conversation. Yeah, because why did she bring up the product out of nowhere?

[D]

Because Cara Stoss was brought up Carousel.

[A]

Yeah, well, you know, because Angie's supporting this product in her store, and Lisa just, like, punted on it.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So then Andy, she's like, you know what?

[A]

My son's probably product isn't good. Whatever. We're moving on.

[D]

He's like, I'm gonna partner with Kara Stoss and not my son's brand.

[B]

But also, let's not pretend it's, like, actually her son's brand. It's her brand that, like, is, like.

[A]

You know, it's even worse.

[D]

Does she market it at all?

[E]

She did yesterday. Last night when the episode dropped.

[B]

Yeah. All we know that it is, according to Angie, it should be in Walmart.

[D]

I mean, to be fair, if I'm Lisa, I would have done the exact same thing of, like, being like, I'm just gonna take the product if you think it's, like, sea lion and you take talk shit on it. But then I wouldn't have gone as far as Lisa did to then be like, well, you're using someone else's credit card to spit to go on vacations. It's like, wait a second. I thought you were the one using someone else's credit card. Now Angie's using someone else's credit card.

[E]

You know what it is? Giving. Not to quote my queen, but her being like, well, I heard that Brandy slept with someone else in this group. And everybody being like, okay, girl, you're just saying the same thing that we accused you of.

[C]

Like, that's what I'm saying. Literally, Angie goes deep. And that's the thing. She doesn't need to. Like, she didn't need to bring the sun into it, but it's because Lisa was sitting here, exactly what Heather said, counting her change. Being like, you don't own this amount. And I was like, why is this an argument that these housewives do where they're, like, trying to pull inventory on their castmates? Being like, you actually own 1.7%, not 2.

[B]

That was crazy.

[E]

Is that public information?

[A]

That's deep.

[G]

Yeah.

[B]

I love her so much. Greek mafia forever.

[A]

Mary. With a father who is a pastor.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

A, does he refer to it as his church? And B, does he have a portrait of him next to. To Jesus?

[B]

Okay, so funny story. Yes to the second one first. Your first question. No, he. If anything, he would maybe, like, consider himself more of, like, a leader of a parish or, like, a congregation. But it is like the congregation's church, right? As far as the photo goes, in no churches that he has ever been pastor of, did he have a photo put up of him by choice. However. However, if you. If you are ever in Sarasota, Florida, and you go to St. Armand Circle, and you are at St. Arman's Key Lutheran Church, there is a very, very funny painting that is of my dad up in that church that he hates more than anything in the world.

[A]

Can we get a photograph of said picture?

[B]

I. Yes, I can.

[E]

I can find rising with Jesus.

[B]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Basically, what happened is, like, every time a pastor would leave, they would, like, make this. They would commission this painting of a pastor, and they, like, have all the former pastors of the church in there. And my dad, like, did not want it. They did it anyway.

[E]

No, but what is he doing? What's the scene?

[F]

It's just a portrait.

[B]

Portrait of him, like, in his robe, like the president.

[E]

But the thing is, like, he's not with Jesus.

[B]

No, he's not with Jesus. Jesus is not present in the photo, just in spirit, and he just looks very jolly in it. They gave him, like, really rosy cheeks, and, like, my dad and I have, like, the same. Same, like, face. So, like, it's just really funny. And then for Christmas last year, my sister in law, Madison made us all T shirts, like with that photo and a Santa hat on.

[C]

I knew it.

[B]

And he really, really hates it. And he's gonna be really, really mad that I talked about it in such great detail right now, but I think it's the funniest thing.

[E]

I have a question about the Catholic churches that you went to growing up. Was there always like a really overly scary sculpture of Jesus?

[A]

I mean, there's, you know, him dying on the cross if I don't. But I don't really consider that scary.

[E]

Okay. Because some of ours were like, overly like, blood looks real. Tears of blood looks like a little human. I was like, I don't know about that.

[A]

No, we didn't have any.

[B]

Catholics get really goth.

[A]

Am I understanding Mary's family drama correctly when that she doesn't get along with her mom because her mom wanted to marry her step grandfather and Mary got to.

[C]

I don't think it's the same stepfather. I think the mom wanted to take over the church and Mary's grandmother, who ran the church, put in her like dying testament or whatever that she wanted her to marry Robert Sr. Which she did, and run the church. So, like, that was the grandma's dying wish.

[E]

I think we're getting more details as the seasons go on because like earlier seasons, I think you kind of just know, like, you know the basics of the Grandma promised the marriage of one of her granddaughters to her husband who's Mary's stepfather.

[C]

It's like, when you say it like that, it just sounds.

[A]

I can't wrap my head.

[B]

But then also now we learn the lore that. That her mom got arrested at the church at some point. Did I catch that correctly?

[C]

I don't know if it was arrested, but like definitely escorted out.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

When they were saying in the original story she would say that none of her other siblings wanted to take that up. So then she took it up. But like this episode we get the context of like the mom wanted to take over the church and then she specifically anointed Mary and Mary wasn't a part of, of the church. Like, I don't think we knew that Mary ran away from the church.

[D]

No.

[E]

Well, that's new.

[B]

Yeah, but.

[D]

Well, it didn't.

[B]

She didn't say that she came back to the church to like take over. I think she at some point had left when she was younger and wasn't going to church. And then they were like, oh, you should come back. And she was like, okay, she came back potentially. What I'm guessing is down the line from that after she came back, got more involved again, is when this happened and they, like, saw it.

[E]

I think we're gonna find out more because I think she intentionally probably kept it vague and, like, now she's choosing to talk about it.

[B]

Well, because her mom's recently passed. I think that that was kind of the, like, reason that she. She feels like that is.

[E]

And Robert Sr. Also doesn't like Bravo.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. He won't be.

[A]

Oh, so what's the socialite's name again? They keep flashing her. Angie.

[D]

Amy.

[B]

Amy, the Utah socialite.

[A]

She's trying out. She's not doing a good job, but.

[B]

Even I enjoy her. Her presence. I think just Amy, the Utah socialite, because she's not being given friend of.

[A]

They just, like, flash to her face.

[C]

That's what's gonna say. What is she adding?

[B]

I don't know.

[E]

She had more lines than Melee last season, so. Exactly.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Do we think that Mary. That Meredith and Angie will become friends? I really, really want them to.

[D]

I don't know. I kind of hated that Angie did that.

[C]

I kind of. That's what I was gonna say. I wish that, like, Angie didn't sit down, like, ready to be, like, let's drive the wedge between the two people. That could be stronger.

[F]

It was obvious.

[E]

I don't think she lied, though.

[B]

I think. I don't think she lied either.

[E]

Lisa's hot mic moment. I think we know that Lisa wants other people to dig up alleged stories.

[C]

Of Meredith will go the distance.

[B]

She will go the distance. I just, you know, obviously, I want the best for my girl. My number one, Meredith Marks. I just. I. I love Angie so much, and I really. I really just want a Meredith Angie allyship.

[E]

I saw in the. In the teaser for the next episode, Angie says, like, yells at Mary. I know.

[B]

I hated that. I don't want. I. I really don't want. And Angie got to name his villain edit this season because then I'll have to support the villain.

[E]

I mean. Yeah, I stand by.

[A]

I think Angie's mad at us because we had a Monica on.

[C]

I think a lot of them are mad at us about Monica, but.

[B]

But, guys, we love you.

[C]

It's a show. We want. We want all takes. So why don't you come on here and tell us?

[A]

What?

[C]

Well, Monica was wrong.

[A]

We'll win them over.

[C]

We would love to hear your point of view.

[B]

Come hang out with us, please.

[E]

All right.

[A]

I think that'll do it for this episode. Thank you guys for listening. Thank you to our guests. Madison from Love is Blind. Be sure to check out the reality recap episode from Tuesday so that you can hear the he said, she said. Between Patrick and Casey next week we got another jam packed episode. We'll have more Love is Blind guest as well as Robert Irwin from Dancing with the Stars. He joins us for going deeper along with his partner Whitney. All that and more next week. Plus don't forget a special Ass Nick episode with heartthrob Dylan Efron. He helps us answer some of those relationship questions and we deep dive into some meaningful relationship discussions. That is all next week. Don't forget to vote for yours truly for Sexiest man in Podcasting.

[D]

Apparently you're almost gonna say alive.

[A]

I was. Yeah, it's a dream of mine. Listen, I'm further than I have ever gotten. And by the way, congratulations to Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang for winning the category. You guys are hot. Anyways, we'll see you next time.

[E]

Bye.

[A]

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[A]

Well, I dig the mattress and I want to be in a T mobile commercial like you. Teach me.

[C]

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