E1017 - Love Is Blind w/ Michelle Buteau, RHOSLC, RHOP, DWTS & Taylor Frankie Paul Drama

Summary

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The Viall Files: E1017 - Love Is Blind w/ Michelle Buteau, RHOSLC, RHOP, DWTS & Taylor Frankie Paul Drama

Release: October 16, 2025

Host: Nick Viall
Guest: Michelle Buteau
Panel: Natalie Joy, Danny, Zoe, Sierra, Leah

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Overview

In this Reality Recap edition of The Viall Files, Nick Viall and the Household (Natalie, Danny, Zoe, Sierra, Leah) navigate a packed episode covering reality TV’s latest drama and some real-life relationship talk. Highlights include:

• Deep dives into Dancing With the Stars (DWTS) moments and offscreen gossip
• Explosive updates on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and Taylor Frankie Paul
• Celebrity headlines featuring John Mayer and Kat Stickler
• An extended, hilarious segment with comedian and The Circle host Michelle Buteau, dissecting Love Is Blind breakups, relationship lessons, and housewives-worthy pettiness
• Rapid-fire recaps of the latest on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC) and Potomac (RHOP), with the panel’s favorite messy moments and social media sleuthing

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dancing With the Stars Recap & Commentary

• Dedication Night’s Emotional Impact

  • The crew shares tearful moments from the show and what makes these dances so poignant, emphasizing Robert Irwin and Whitney Carson’s intro package.
    • [04:01]: “Robert is, like… whispering to himself, like, ‘I’m okay. I’m okay.’ It was just the sweetest moment ever.” – Zoe

• Controversy: Hilaria Baldwin’s DWTS Exit

  • Panel laughs and critiques Hilaria claiming she was “bullied off” the show.
    • [07:09]: “You get kicked off the show because nobody voted for you… You got eliminated because people didn’t like you.” – Reading Bobby Bones’ comments

• Behind-the-Scenes BTS

  • Nick praises the male cast members of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, his firsthand experience with Zach Affleck, and wholesome family dynamics at DWTS tapings.

• Judges’ Attitudes

  • Critiquing Carrie Ann Inaba’s harshness despite Dedication Night’s mood.
    • [11:02]: “She plays a Simon Cowell of the judges, but what a fing buzzkill. It’s fing dedication night…” – Nick

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2. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives & Taylor Frankie Paul Drama

• Taylor Frankie Paul’s Social Media Scandal

  • The panel details a quickly-deleted Instagram Reel accusing a “snake in the middle” of sleeping with her baby daddy and speculates about the crossover between reality universes.
    • [13:13]: “Taylor Frankie Paul stands on business… but I’m wondering, did the network make her delete it?” – Danny
    • [14:37]: “It only makes me more interested in watching Taylor as the Bachelorette. Two worlds colliding…” – Nick

• Audience Fascination with Real-Life Drama

  • The real-time drama, echoed years later on TV, is likened to the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
    • [16:42]: “It’s like the Marvel Cinematic Universe. You see it happen online, then relive it on TV.” – Sierra

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3. Pop Culture Headlines

• John Mayer & Kat Stickler Rumor Mill
  • Debate over tabloid sources and “leaks,” and commentary on how publicity can “kill” a burgeoning celeb relationship.
    • [19:04]: “Whether this is true, it’s not a good look for Kat that the story got out...and if it’s not her, she has terrible friends.” – Nick

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4. Special Guest Segment: Michelle Buteau

Getting Personal & Parenting Real Talk

• Parenting, Surrogacy, and Twins

  • Michelle opens up about IVF, surrogacy laws, and life in NY as a mom of twins.
    • [28:08]: “After they were born I stormed with Andy Cohen in New York to overturn that [law]… Now it’s legal in NY.” – Michelle

• Kids and Boundaries

  • Fun anecdotes about kids taking on the world, asking for neck tattoos, and negotiating titles: “mama” vs “mom.”

• On “Gentle Parenting”

  • Michelle discusses the spectrum of gentle parenting, tough love, and how emotional regulation looks different in every home.

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Love Is Blind Breakdown

• Annie & Nick’s Odd Breakup

  • Michelle and the panel debate Annie’s emotional avoidance and Nick’s “breakup math.”
    • [37:46]: “He said, one plus one doesn’t equal three…and I was like, why are we doing math?” – Michelle

• Words vs Actions in Love

  • Reflection on saying “I love you” while breaking up—as both confusing and self-serving.
    • [40:50]: “It’s confusing and it’s selfish… You don’t want to be the bad guy.” – Nick

• Representation Pressure on Black Couples

  • The panel notes the unique pressure KB and Ed feel as the show’s only Black couple, and how respect and self-awareness play out.
    • [41:38]: “There’s a responsibility you have forever… because people look at you and say, ‘look at this example.’” – Michelle

• Addiction & Red Flags in Relationships

  • A deep dive on Ally and Anton: denial about alcohol, gaslighting, and standing one’s ground.
    • [45:02]: “If it’s making the person I’m with uncomfortable, check yourself. But you also have to listen—he wasn’t listening.” – Michelle

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Friendship & Relationship Boundaries

• Friends of Opposite Sex: Rules & Exceptions
  • Debate erupts about whether you can really be friends with the opposite sex in a committed relationship. Michelle pushes for nuance and self-awareness.
    • [49:36]: “One of my best friends is a straight man… Sometimes you could have more than one soulmate and a friend.” – Michelle
    • [50:43]: “All my friendships changed when I got into a serious relationship.” – Nick

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5. Housewives Recaps & Rapid-Fires

Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC)

• Petty Fights and Best Moments
  • Casts critique (and defend) Angie’s behavior, black card drama, and psychic vineyard sessions.
  • Panel praises (and critiques) Heather, Lisa, and Angie’s willingness to “stand on business.”
  • “If you want to have a fight, give the gift back to someone you don’t like… It’s petty, but I live for that level of petty.” – Danny, [85:47]
• Meta Moment
  • Us Weekly’s Desperate Housewives-inspired photoshoot for RHOSLC gets unpacked.

Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP)

• Divorce-Gate & Mint Bullying
  • Stacy’s divorce status, relentless bad breath jokes, and the group’s tendency to “pile on.”
  • “It’s all fun until a bowl of mints… now it’s just cruel.” – Danny, [79:00]
  • Debate over authenticity and openness vs caginess (Stacy vs Brittany).

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Reality TV Drama:
  • “It’s like the Marvel Cinematic Universe. You get to see the drama online, then relive it in more detail on TV.” – Sierra [16:42]
• On Breakup Math:
  • “He said, one plus one doesn’t equal three… and I was like, why are we doing math?” – Michelle Buteau [37:46]
• On Relationship Boundaries:
  • “All my friendships changed when I got into a serious relationship, especially my women friendships…” – Nick [50:43]
• On Friendship Exceptions:
  • “Sometimes you could have more than one soulmate and a friend. So all this to say, if they had hooked up, I’d be like, that's crazy.” – Michelle [49:56]
• On Parenting:
  • “You’re never losing, you’re always learning. And then my friends are like, shut the fuck up with the gentle parenting…” – Michelle [53:02]
• On Housewives Pettiness:
  • “If you want to have a fight, give the gift back… It’s petty, but I live for that level of petty because I could never.” – Danny [85:47]

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Important Timestamps

• [04:01] — Tearjerker DWTS Dedication Night stories
• [07:09] — Bobby Bones claps back at Hilaria Baldwin’s “bullying” claim
• [13:13] — Taylor Frankie Paul Instagram drama sleuthing
• [19:04] — John Mayer and Kat Stickler rumor and social media speculation
• [28:08] — Michelle Buteau on surrogacy and parenthood
• [37:46] — Unpacking Annie & Nick’s breakup on Love Is Blind
• [41:38] — KB & Ed’s unique responsibility as Love Is Blind’s Black couple
• [45:02] — Ally confronting Anton about drinking: red flags and growth
• [49:36] — Can you be friends with the opposite sex if committed? Michelle weighs in
• [67:41] — RHOSLC: Black card drama, Angie's big moves
• [78:37] — RHOP: Stacy’s “divorce papers” and the breath mint bullying

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

The episode juggles heartfelt, hilarious, and brutally honest commentary. The Household’s banter is lively yet supportive, and Michelle Buteau’s presence amplifies both comedy and depth. The podcast stays true to its Reality TV core, but the discussions on friendship, boundaries, and modern parenting land valuable insights for listeners—whether you’re a reality devotee or just want a smarter take on pop culture relationships.

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For more laughs, real talk, and recaps, follow @TheViallFiles and check out upcoming episodes (and Michelle’s tour!) for your next dose of reality.

Transcript

[Nick]

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[Danny]

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[Leah]

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[Michelle Buteau]

Nice.

[Danny]

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[Nick]

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[Danny]

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[Danny]

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[Zoe]

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[Nick]

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[Zoe]

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[Nick]

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[Zoe]

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[Danny]

You're crazy.

[Nick]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the VI Files Reality recap edition. I am your host, Nick, joined by my beautiful wife, the rest of the household. We're here in la. We're in studio. We're Roc, rocking and rolling. We're having a great time. Lots to get into. Amazing episode for you lined up first and foremost, just a reminder that yesterday's going deeper. Whiz with the one and only Robert Irwin and his dancing partner, Whitney Carson. They're all great, but this one really touched her soul. Touched her soul.

[Zoe]

It was a full circle moment for me. Got emotional. It was, it was funny. A lot of laughs, tears.

[Nick]

It was just great, you know, all around. You can feel you. The best cry is when you feel good doing it. You know.

[Sierra]

The best cry is when you feel good doing it.

[Nick]

Yeah. Because it's like kind of weird, like emotional happy tears. I'm a happy crier. I don't cry when I'm sad. Mostly I have to be like devastated to cry when I'm sad, but like, when I'm like, I'm dancing with the stars now. And I went last night, it was dedication night. Holding in the tears.

[Zoe]

Every dance, every dance is emotional.

[Danny]

I was watching from home and I sobbed. It was.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Zoe]

And speaking of Robert and Whitney, the, you know, they play obviously, like their intro package or whatever of them talking and the, the dancers are kind of like waiting until the music starts. So they're listening to their intro package and they play it on like a big screen for the audience to watch. And I took a photo of Whitney and Robert because it was so sweet. She's like holding his. She's like covering his ears. And. And Robert is, like, whispering to himself, like, I'm okay. I'm okay. I'm okay, I'm okay. And it was just like the sweetest moment ever.

[Nick]

Yeah, here it was.

[Zoe]

Oh, God, it was so good. Every. Every single one had me crying.

[Danny]

Every single one. Every time somebody came out for their dedication, I was just like, I know. Could not hold it in.

[Zoe]

And the contemporary dance is also just, like, so emotional in itself.

[Nick]

It was really, really good. Before we talk more about Dance with the Stars, also on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap, we had Carlos King of Bravo lore, former Bravo producer, host of his own show, great insight in all things reality TV and Bravo. Funny, fun, just a great time. Also, we had Annie from Love is Blind, which we'll get into later this episode. Talking about the most recent episode. Did they break up?

[Michelle Buteau]

Was that.

[Zoe]

Yeah, that's what we watched.

[Danny]

And that's what we watched.

[Zoe]

It was very confusing. It was the weirdest breakup I've ever watched.

[Danny]

I've never seen someone deny.

[Zoe]

And honestly, that's what I would do. If Nick was like, I want a divorce, I'd be like, well, no, but we don't. So anyways, what do you want for dinner?

[Danny]

Just stick it out with me.

[Nick]

You can't make one plus one equal three. Watch me.

[Danny]

Literally, watch me. Loved it.

[Leah]

What did she say? That's not a good math.

[Michelle Buteau]

That's the power of women.

[Danny]

That's my type of math.

[Nick]

Actually, you know, I'm curious, like, did you find her at least entertaining in this last episode?

[Sierra]

Oh, I've never said I don't find her entertaining. I just think I'm really sorry for her about this edit because we all.

[Michelle Buteau]

Know it's just the edit's fault.

[Nick]

Also joining us later this episode, Michelle Buteau. She's the host of the Circle on Netflix, hilarious comedian. Also just fan of all things rally tv. We'll talk a little Housewives with her. Some Love is Blind. She'll be up shortly. Back to Dancing with the Stars. Our board, Dylan, I think highest score of the night.

[Zoe]

Our burr.

[Danny]

Our burr.

[Zoe]

Our boy. He honestly. So good. It was so good. I felt like it deserved a 10. I'm gonna be on.

[Nick]

No, no, no, no.

[Danny]

It did.

[Zoe]

I know. They like too early to get him boring. Don't.

[Nick]

He got the best comp. He's got the best compliment of the night. In addition to having the best score. He had the best compliment of the night, which was. I don't know which judge said it to him, but he's they think one of them referred to him as the most improved. And Dancing with the Stars. That's all you really want to hear. Can someone quickly look up Bobby Bones comments regarding the recent exit of Hilaria Baldwin, who a few days ago I believe blamed. I don't know. She blamed they. I don't know who they is.

[Sierra]

She said they them.

[Nick]

She said they bullied me.

[Danny]

Yes, they.

[Nick]

They bullied me. They bullied her off Dancing with the Stars and not sure who she was referring to, but Bobby Bones, former winner of Dancing with the Stars, also has, I believe a large radio show had some choice words for Hilaria.

[Sierra]

He did so following hilarious claims that she would bullied off Dancing with the Stars. Here's what Bobby Bones said. I was reading about Hilaria Baldwin saying she was bullied off Dancing with the Stars as someone who was treated like crap by the hardcore fans of the show. Yeah, bullying happens. But you don't get bullied off the show. You get kicked off the show because nobody voted for you. I mean, so that's bull crap. She was a great dancer. She was somebody who came in with a ton of dance experience, obviously. But no, no, no, you don't get bullied off the show. I don't know her. But you got eliminated because people didn't like you.

[Zoe]

Oh, my gosh.

[Leah]

Okay.

[Zoe]

Well, that one's my little heart.

[Nick]

Well, I mean, that's kind of.

[Danny]

But it's not wrong. I'm like, at the end of the day, I think they is America who she's talking about.

[Sierra]

America is non binary.

[Nick]

Only in your dreams, Mary.

[Danny]

But it's true, because I'm like, I think of all the jokes and the, you know, say cucumber and whatnot, that I think that she thinks that, like, we chose to bully her off the show, but it's like, no, we just didn't vote for you.

[Nick]

And she is entertaining. But when you're picking between, how do you say, cucumber versus Dylan Efron and Robert Irwin.

[Danny]

Thank you.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Whitney Levitt.

[Zoe]

Do you think she would have dedicated to Alec?

[Leah]

No.

[Sierra]

No.

[Zoe]

Yeah, I don't feel like she would.

[Danny]

Either, like my 800 children.

[Zoe]

Because I just like, I'm dedicating this to my fourth cousin once removed.

[Nick]

Her kitchen?

[Zoe]

No, Whitney's. Honestly, Whitney and Connor, I. Yeah, they, they. That was beautiful.

[Nick]

We also saw Zach Affleck there with the kiddos sitting across from us just like holding court, trying. And, you know, the kids were like fighting over snacks. It was really quite cute and hilarious. That was all Very bts behind the.

[Danny]

Scenes when they flashed to him after Jen's performance and one of the babies is on his lap just like screaming and I was just like, God bless you.

[Zoe]

It was. He had his, their daughter, I don't know, she's. She's got to be around River's age, a little bit older, around 2. And you could tell obviously she just like wants to run, you know, like she's not interested in sitting still. And he is like bribing her with everything under the sun. And it was just the sweetest.

[Danny]

She's like, grandma gets to go out there.

[Nick]

I know it's easy to point out flaws and certainly with some of the cast of the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, but I gotta say, you know, as someone who's really got to know this entire cast, including the men on the show, the husbands we had Dakota on. He's had his issues. I not sure we haven't watched season three yet, but I think Jordan and Jesse go through some stuff. But I really gotta say, like some of these guys I've gotten to know, they're really sweet men. Especially Connor, you know, Whitney's husband, you know, we. You saw it at the reunion part one. He certainly has had his trauma. He's just a sweet soul. He did so well. You could tell how nervous he was. And even Zach Affleck, I know like season one, he was enemy number one. The Zach I've gotten to know in person. He stood up to his family, his religion, chose his wife. He's a stay at home dad supporting his wife. I don't know. I got a lot of respect for Zach Affleck. I feel like he's really stepped up as a young man. And I've gotten to enjoy my limited time with Jace and Jacob. I, I hope we get to know more of these men again. I haven't seen season three, so maybe I'll eat my words. And they're all like assholes. Who knows? But.

[Zoe]

But even Jen, like she posted that she was her deathbed so sick this entire last week and she still, I mean went out there and crushed and it's just like, it's crazy.

[Nick]

What also Val can do. He's just a sexy dancer.

[Zoe]

Not Carrie Ann coming for Pasha's choreography telling Danielle that like every dance looks the same.

[Nick]

Well, she said it to Danielle.

[Zoe]

No, I know.

[Nick]

Oh, I'm sorry. Is she coming up the choreography like.

[Zoe]

But then you could see Daniela Pash's wife, Dylan's partner, like up on the balcony being like, what the fuck is.

[Danny]

This bitch talking about let me down.

[Nick]

I think I only have nice memories of her, but she really was a. I mean, I know that's, like, her job. She plays a Simon Cowell of the judges, but what a fucking buzzkill. It's fucking dedication night, and she's just like.

[Danny]

Just one note.

[Zoe]

Yeah, keep her. Keep your head back.

[Danny]

You've got sobbing, you've got Derek sobbing.

[Nick]

No one gives a. Like, I don't know who was it.

[Leah]

Last season that she, like, said something harshy? It was. It was Chandler. And she dedicated something to her mom, right?

[Danny]

I don't know. But Carrie Ann is the only one that I know that gets booed on a regular. And she just. Now she's part of her, like, speech. She's like, I get it. I can handle being booed.

[Zoe]

Gleb came up and hugged Nick.

[Danny]

Before he hugged Nick, he winked at.

[Zoe]

Me and then came over and gave Nick a big hug. I don't know what he whispered in your ear, but it was feeling like maybe he had.

[Danny]

No.

[Zoe]

I mean, I know plenty about him. Also because I had lunch with Miss Mary Holland ater the other day.

[Nick]

We should invite him on the show.

[Zoe]

We should invite him. I'm sure he would have lots to say.

[Danny]

What did the wink mean? I don't know.

[Zoe]

It felt like he was like, I. I know what the two of you. You know, you platformed Brooks and, like, all that stuff. And it was kind of giving like, I don't care.

[Nick]

You know, his whole MO is like. It's. It's very shaggy.

[Danny]

It wasn't me.

[Sierra]

It wasn't me.

[Nick]

It wasn't me.

[Zoe]

Yeah. And it was kind of giving, like, you know what? I know, but all good, you know.

[Nick]

Like, I'm still here dancing, shaking my ass.

[Zoe]

And you thought y. Yeah, exactly.

[Danny]

Have you guys been keeping up with any of the secret Lives and Mormon wives drama? Specifically our bachelorette, Taylor Frankie Paul offline.

[Nick]

Other than. I just. I kind of just like everything she puts out there. So I sent in support of our queen.

[Danny]

I sent in a group chat. Taylor Frankie Paul posted a reel, and it was of her, Miranda and Macy and a girl I didn't recognize.

[Leah]

Miranda's friend. Yeah.

[Danny]

Yeah. And then it was captioned. Just found out the snake in the middle is sleeping with my baby daddy, meanwhile crying to me because she just got dumped by a married man.

[Nick]

Who's the snake in the middle?

[Danny]

The girl I had never seen before. She's got dark hair. I don't know if she's going to be an addition on on the show, I have her Instagram screenshotted. So I sent it. And then obviously, we know Taylor Frankie Paul stands on business.

[Zoe]

Yep.

[Danny]

And when I went to go look at it again, it was gone. And I'm like, she's not one to post and delete. So I went to Miranda's page because Miranda had posted a video with this girl also.

[Leah]

And I love Miranda not far away.

[Danny]

I deleted the video. So I was like, oh, my God, now I have to put on my crazy hat and I have to go and try and find this person.

[Zoe]

Become an FBI.

[Danny]

Yes. So I went to her, talked about Miranda, stocked photos, found the video, went to this girl's page, and then Taylor, Frankie Paul had commented on the last video that she posted with Miranda and said, girls seek help. Oh, yesterday when it was posted at 37 minutes at 70 likes. This morning it has 1070. But yeah, everyone's going to this girl's page trying to figure out, like, who she is. And apparently she's sleeping with Dakota. And then my question to you is, because she is our new Bachelorette, do you think that she had to delete it based off of the network? Because this is the first kind of out of pocket Bachelorette they've ever had that would move this.

[Nick]

They certainly have been. They have certainly reached out to leads in the past to ask them to take things down or try to police their social media. Yeah, it's definitely possible.

[Leah]

Taylor did comment something saying, I have receipts of her trying to hang with me multiple times. Thankfully, I didn't. I'm getting messages of how sneaky she is. Honestly, I think this is the perfect couple.

[Danny]

Oh. Even going through, like, the girl's page, it's like Taylor's commenting on everything being like, beautiful mama, like, I support you. Like, you can tell she very much was a shoulder for this girl to cry on. And obviously this is post third season of Secret Lives Mormon wife. So I don't even know if we're gonna meet this girl, but she's already.

[Nick]

Listen, it's gonna be a fascinating crossover. It only makes me more interested in watching Taylor as the Bachelorette. But, like, the two worlds are colliding.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And it's. It's a little water and vinegar in the sense that you have AB Is ABC Disney, so to speak. Right. You know, very prim and proper. Its fan base, its OG fan base does not like messy, clean cut, problematic. And I say problematic the perception of problematic or just, you know, openly vulnerable. But obviously Mormon wives in these, you know, these episodic series following these groups of people very much promotes that, so.

[Danny]

Thrives on the drama.

[Nick]

It will be. It'll be interesting.

[Leah]

Someone commented on the photo saying there's, like, five girls who all look the same. Which one is in the middle?

[Danny]

And it's literally the only girl with dark hair.

[Leah]

Literally.

[Nick]

Well, when there's four, four is hard. Well, which is the middle?

[Danny]

No, yeah, you're right. But I'm like, there was three of them. We recognize Layla's also in it.

[Leah]

So, like, there's two girls with dark hair, but it's just funny.

[Danny]

Like, but you know Layla, you know Macy, you know Jessie, you know, and then there's one girl we don't know who is in the middle. Breaking news. She actually posted.

[Nick]

I guess she is in the middle girl.

[Danny]

As in the middle snake that is sleeping with the baby daddy. If you have a problem with me, call me. If you don't have my number, then that means you don't know me well enough to have a problem.

[Zoe]

Isn't that a quote from.

[Nick]

No, No, I don't also think that's true.

[Michelle Buteau]

No.

[Nick]

But I can have a problem with you and not know your number.

[Danny]

That. And I'm like, she clearly does have your number, my friend, because she's been commenting support for you while you've been crying on her shoulder. And I'm also kind of like, let's not go toe to toe with Taylor, Frankie, Paul.

[Sierra]

Yeah, you're gonna lose.

[Danny]

You're gonna lose so bad.

[Nick]

Some people don't mind losing if it makes them famous.

[Danny]

I mean, I guess. Yeah.

[Sierra]

If it gets you on season four of the Mormon Wives.

[Danny]

Oh, my God. Yes.

[Sierra]

The beautiful thing about the way Mormon Wives drama works is that you get to see it happen online and then you get to relive it in more detail years later. It's like the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

[Danny]

Wait, you're actually so not wrong. Because I was thinking about this, where I was like, this whole thing going on with Jessie and her hu. Been, like, where? And it was Vanderpump Villa and the Mauricio Marciano of it all. That it's just like, I completely forgot about all of that. And then I'm like, oh, my God, it's been like, what, six months? Eight months? And now I'm about to pick up where we left off. Now we're going to get the truth.

[Nick]

Yeah, well, Jason Tardick's ex has a new fling.

[Zoe]

I don't think that's true. She was just posting someone that wasn't John Mayer.

[Nick]

Well, John Mayer's Reported John Mayer is reportedly dating influencer Cat Stickler, also known as the ex of Jason Tardick, after two. After the two were seen together twice in two days. A source. The relationship is still very new and that the musician, 47, is the one who sought her out.

[Zoe]

According to the source, she's literally been posting.

[Danny]

Not showing his face.

[Zoe]

Not showing his face. Another man. Maybe this is like all part of this elaborate plan or something, but it's.

[Danny]

One thing we know about John Mayer is that he does not like his. His tryst, his relationships to be talked about publicly. I. E. Sheena.

[Nick]

It's already over.

[Danny]

Yeah. Like, it's already.

[Zoe]

It's everything he believes in. Like, she's. Like, she's gonna do like.

[Nick]

Like he's been reaching out. He's been pursuing me. He's obsessed with me.

[Danny]

Are you trying to make me think that the guy that's in these videos is John Mayer?

[Zoe]

Yeah. I don't know. I don't know if I believe this. Yeah. Maybe they're just like, friends. Maybe.

[Danny]

But again, that's kind of weird. Why are you going. If you have a new boyfriend, why are we going out with John Mayer?

[Nick]

But what. What random source would be offering this information? Like, you know what I'm saying?

[Zoe]

Like, well, it's like Dumois recently reported that mayor and Stickler were seen at a private members only club in New York City last Friday.

[Nick]

That is. That is a nothing thing. People get seen together all the time. But there is a source who is saying things like, it's still very new. Yeah, he's the one who reached out. He's pursuing her. Like, who is this source? What motives? Like, you know what I'm saying? Who benefits?

[Zoe]

Source is typically the person themselves.

[Danny]

They're reps.

[Zoe]

They're reps. They're publicists.

[Nick]

They got seen is like, that could be anyone being like, nosy and be like, I saw them. But this is like an insider that it's still very new. He's pursuing her.

[Danny]

And John Mayer doesn't really like, a need to pursue. But I'm like, John Mayer just, like, doesn't really have relationships. So that's where just kind of like, you let you letting this out of the bag. Whether it's happening or not, it's over.

[Nick]

Whether this is true, it's not a good look for Kat that the story got up.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Or like the.

[Zoe]

You don't think so?

[Nick]

Well, if she just simply wants to be connected to John Mayer, then sure. But I. I don't see. Unless he's just obsessed with her and just want. But like this getting out to Sierra's point is going to give him the ick. And it's giving very amateur hour in a way. And if it's not her, she has terrible friends.

[Danny]

And again, it's also like, like raises questions as people who, like, do follow her with this new boyfriend and whatnot. Like, did you break up with this guy to be with John Mayer? Like what. Like that even real? Like, is this even like, I mean, it's, it's giving.

[Nick]

We hung out for two days and I want to tell the world because I want my name next to John Mayer in the headlines and, and whether that's how it went down, that's how it looks.

[Danny]

So I guess we'll see if he shows up on reels doing TikTok trends then. Like, hey, more power to you, Cap.

[Nick]

Anyway, well, we have a great and funny guest coming up, Michelle Buteau. She is joining us next to talk a little love is blind. But before we do, the team at Envy Media is working on a little secret and exciting project. And if you are single, available and interested in being a part of a dating docu series with the opportunity of meeting your one, we're looking for people between the ages of 22 and 45, both men and women. All genders can apply, especially those located in the areas of Los Angeles and Nashville. We want you. We have a casting call and we got some questions we want to ask you. And if you are interested in possibly being a part of this secret project and potentially meeting the love of your life and possibly having that documented, go to our link in bio on our Instagram and answer some of our questions and maybe we'll be in touch. So yeah, fun and exciting stuff. All right, it's time to talk a little love is blind and laugh out loud with Michelle Buteau.

[Zoe]

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[Nick]

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[Zoe]

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[Nick]

When I first started dating Natalie, I got her some figs for a little gift and she was thrilled and excited. You can never have too many great pairs of scrubs and so certainly if you are not in the healthcare field and you certainly and we all know someone who is, it makes an excellent gift and something they will Certainly appreciate.

[Zoe]

They have pockets on pockets enough to store your keys, phone, steps, stethoscope and more. So your hands are free. So if you work in healthcare or love someone who does, figs are the must haves, hands down. Go to where figs.com and use code FIGS RX for 15 off your first order. Use code FIGS RX for 15 off YOUR first order at wherefigs.com welcome to the show, Michelle.

[Michelle Buteau]

Thank you.

[Nick]

How are you?

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't. I don't know.

[Zoe]

You don't know?

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't know how.

[Zoe]

I am very fall today.

[Michelle Buteau]

I love it. Well, I'm in from New York. You know what I mean? So, like, we have seasons and I don't know how to, like, what do I. What do I like? Dress like I'm working at Trader Joe's every time I come. So I don't know. I had a turtleneck on the other day and I'm like, yes, you brought the rain. I brought the rain. And thank God. You know what I mean? Thank God for that. Yeah, I don't know how I'm doing. Like, my kids are real cute. I love working. I have freckles. They're real. I feel like I'm.

[Zoe]

You're superior, honestly.

[Michelle Buteau]

Thank you so much.

[Zoe]

I drew on mine.

[Michelle Buteau]

You did?

[Zoe]

I did.

[Nick]

Do you hate that? You must hate that as a natural freckle person. Like. Like two years ago, you know, what a positive way.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. It's all perspective.

[Danny]

We're setting the beauty standards.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. And I love your eyeliner. The wing tip is like, where.

[Danny]

Thank you. Well, I had a full panic attack this morning about it, so thank you.

[Michelle Buteau]

What were they not even?

[Zoe]

No, no.

[Danny]

But it was like this morning when I'm trying to get out the door and it was just like.

[Michelle Buteau]

And I had no Q tip. I was just licking my fingers like a freak licking my fingers and putting in my eye. And I was like, well, at least I'm a good person. It's like they're not even.

[Leah]

It look.

[Michelle Buteau]

Looks like one eye is bigger than the other. And maybe it is. Maybe it is.

[Zoe]

It's kind of giving Lisa Barlo first episode.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, my God. Yes, I know. You better tie it back, bitch. You make it a full circle. She said with her one smokey eye.

[Leah]

Yes.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, my God, yes. I can't wait to get her album. Oh, my God.

[Zoe]

That was crazy.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, to be a richer wat skin in a person, she says.

[Zoe]

I'm not going to blame my glam.

[Michelle Buteau]

Team Rich button skin. Yeah. It was a new Look, I'm really, like, impressed by how, like, how everybody's got the good skin living in Utah. Because I just feel like everyone gotta look like Kathy Bates.

[Zoe]

Truly.

[Michelle Buteau]

And no offense to Kathy Bates, but Kathy Bates.

[Zoe]

No, and. And honestly, all of their. All of their hair is shiny as.

[Michelle Buteau]

It's just serums. They just.

[Zoe]

They have so many.

[Danny]

Well, they're also just, like, guzzling down and gas.

[Nick]

A lot of hot springs. Or, like, it's too cold to go outside.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yes. Springs will, like, they dry you out, you know?

[Zoe]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. You're supposed to apply lotion after a sauna. You didn't know that?

[Zoe]

He's applying, like, dish soap to his.

[Nick]

That's why my skin's all cracking.

[Michelle Buteau]

A little dawn on the elbows for that ass.

[Zoe]

Some detergent or something.

[Michelle Buteau]

He doesn't.

[Zoe]

He's using the wrong.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

I love your socks. Like, what personality.

[Zoe]

Thank you.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Zoe]

I felt like I needed to be somebody today, you know?

[Michelle Buteau]

How many books do you need to be out? Jesus Christ. Not even.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Nick]

I want to get the illusion that I read.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay. His own book. I know, I know. Trust me.

[Zoe]

His own.

[Michelle Buteau]

I love it for you, but I'm like, I got it.

[Nick]

I'm trying really hard. Thanks for calling me out.

[Michelle Buteau]

I love it. No, and honestly, that lamp looks like a dick. That lamp looks like a dick. You were thinking it.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Zoe]

You were a little bit. No, last time you saw a dick.

[Nick]

Oh, shit.

[Michelle Buteau]

We all have access to the Internet. Oh, shit. So I think.

[Nick]

So what do you just, like, check in once in a while? Be like, no stomach.

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm like, I'm good at it. Let me see.

[Sierra]

Did it change?

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Will people accept me?

[Michelle Buteau]

No. I love dick and I still have to be like, I need a break, you know? You can't. It's like a buffet. You can't. It's too much. Too much is not a good thing.

[Leah]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Sometimes I put on sunglasses when I give my husband a little blow job.

[Zoe]

And, like, they're like, the ones out.

[Michelle Buteau]

They're like. Yeah, Yeah. A little aviator for that ass. What the fuck? Red socks. I don't know how to act. You're just too much. Because I just love a good sock.

[Zoe]

Thank you.

[Michelle Buteau]

Do you want to see my socks?

[Zoe]

I do. Do they mismatch?

[Michelle Buteau]

No. Sometimes they do, though. But it's. Oh, my God, there's little boots. I told you I love a sock moment.

[Nick]

Little aliens.

[Michelle Buteau]

What are they? I don't know, but I like robots.

[Nick]

No, it's Grover.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, it is Grover.

[Nick]

Sesame Street.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. The Muppet thank you.

[Danny]

Just leave your shoes off.

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm gonna get comfortable. I'm here for five more minutes.

[Danny]

How old are your kids?

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't know. Let me call them. They're gonna be seven in January.

[Zoe]

They're twins.

[Michelle Buteau]

They're twins.

[Leah]

Wow.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, I got twins.

[Danny]

You did that?

[Michelle Buteau]

I didn't do it. I did it. We did ivf. I couldn't carry, so we had a surrogate.

[Nick]

Oh, wow.

[Michelle Buteau]

It was insane. Because we live in New York, surrogacy was illegal in New York. We had to find a state to go to. Healthcare is so misogynistic and fucking horrible. And then after they were born, I stomped with Andy Cohen in New York to overturn that bullshit. And it wasn't just like me and Andy, but, you know, that is a powerful duo. Yeah. So it was nice. And now it's legal in New York.

[Nick]

So what's it like having twins?

[Michelle Buteau]

Crazy. It's insane. It's so. It's so special. It's so insane. I'm the only child, so I'm like, how do you guys fight and just make.

[Leah]

Each other?

[Michelle Buteau]

You know what I mean?

[Zoe]

Do they know what the other person's feeling and thinking? Are they super connected?

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. They also know what my husband and I are feeling and thinking. It's insane.

[Zoe]

Like, get out of here.

[Michelle Buteau]

Do you have siblings?

[Zoe]

Yes.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay.

[Zoe]

Youngest of seven. He's got.

[Michelle Buteau]

Youngest of seven.

[Zoe]

He's got 10 siblings.

[Michelle Buteau]

10.

[Zoe]

Yeah.

[Danny]

They find each other.

[Zoe]

That's crazy.

[Michelle Buteau]

What is that group thread like? Because I'd be like, I don't respond.

[Nick]

I muted it. Yeah. I hate group chats.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Zoe]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Well, they're. Most of them are Wisconsin. They're so, like talking about what they're doing over the weekend.

[Michelle Buteau]

Right? Like cheese and game. Like football. Yeah, A lot of cheese. Deer.

[Zoe]

Sausage.

[Michelle Buteau]

Petting sausage. Sausage.

[Leah]

Sausage.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yes.

[Zoe]

Yeah. So you know, we have a 20 month old daughter.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, my goodness.

[Zoe]

And she is in the ripe age of calling me Mom. No, Mama. No. Mommy.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Zoe]

Like, she's 15.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, we do. Mama. Yeah. She. Hazel asked me the other day, can I call you mom? And I'm like, why? Because your friends say mom. She's like, yeah. And I'm like, then, no, it was a better reason. No. But I'm like, it's Mama. And she's like, but that's not fair to me. And I was like, you know, And I told her, I was like, you remember how you don't like when I say girl? Because sometimes I call a girl. I'm like, girl, get over here. And she's like, I don't like when you say girl. It makes me feel like you're mad at me. So can you say my name? And I'm like, yes, I can. She checks me.

[Danny]

She does.

[Michelle Buteau]

And it's insane because you want to give them the space to be checked, but it's also, like, don't check me. Check that playground. That's not letting you go down the slide. I brought the snacks, bitch. Come on. Not that my daughter's a bitch in this, but, you know, also is a term of endearment.

[Danny]

It is.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. I mean, but yeah, it's. Yeah. Mama.

[Zoe]

Mama.

[Michelle Buteau]

She also wants a neck tattoo for her seventh birthday. Of a small heart. Kids are wild, honestly.

[Nick]

Yeah, well, we're all tatted up, so I'm really concerned.

[Zoe]

No, I'm gonna show her just how bad mine are. And then I'll be like, no.

[Danny]

She'll be like, possibly.

[Nick]

No. She'll just be. She'll just be like, I'm not gonna be as dumb as you.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. I can't do it better.

[Nick]

Yeah, you're stupid. I'm smarter.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. Because she was like, mama, you said it's my body. Oh, my God. But not now. Yeah, it's insane.

[Zoe]

A heart on her neck.

[Danny]

Where did she see that?

[Michelle Buteau]

I think one of our babysitters. Also, we live in Brooklyn, so, like, everyone's into the burst.

[Zoe]

Yes.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. But it's also the best. It's like, what a beautiful reason to live. Like, how lucky are we to meet these beautiful souls, you know, to, like, put our love into the world forever and all of time.

[Zoe]

It's so deep.

[Michelle Buteau]

I am. No one thinks I am because I, like, tell a lot of dick jokes.

[Zoe]

But other than that, our poor lamp caught astray.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yes.

[Nick]

Fell deep in dick jokes.

[Danny]

Yeah, they go together. I see where you're going.

[Michelle Buteau]

Like, peanut butter jelly. A winning combination. A real Gordon Ramsay.

[Nick]

You guys were like, what do you mean, Nick?

[Danny]

I was. I was here.

[Sierra]

I love it.

[Zoe]

No, right?

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, my God. Also single friends with no kids or relationships or, like, not even, like, a finicky plant that are always late, and they're, like, trying to tell me what to do with my life and how I should, like, rest and go to the spa. I'm like, save it for TikTok, bitch.

[Zoe]

No, I'm not the one.

[Michelle Buteau]

No, I'm not the one. I'm not the two.

[Zoe]

No. And I'm not. I want to know your thoughts on Potomac.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, my goodness. My thoughts on Potomac. You got, like, this is for anyone who needs to hear it? If you're not paying your taxes and. And. And you're scamming people, they'll find you. And you want to, like, fudgeing, get a little, like, plastic surgery and go on reality TV and start a prosecco line. You're going to get caught.

[Nick]

You're going to get caught one or the other.

[Michelle Buteau]

Dancing with the Stars, bitch. Okay? It's not that you're going to go to jail. Shared toilet.

[Danny]

If you are going on the show and you don't know what your husband does for a living, that' to ask. It's time to audit.

[Michelle Buteau]

It's time to ask before you get married.

[Danny]

Where it's like, I didn't know what he was doing. And then you still end up serving the time.

[Michelle Buteau]

Believe it. These bitches are so, like. They have like. Like finas. You know what I mean? They, like, know how to do stuff. So, like, stop. You know, you're giving Carmela Soprano. And Carmela always had macaroni in the freezer because she knew they'd have to eat when the feds would come. So I'm done. You're dumb. You're dumb. I don't. I can't do illegal stuff.

[Zoe]

Never in your life have you.

[Michelle Buteau]

I think I stole a shirt from Macy's when I was like. Or tried to. And I was like, you know what?

[Nick]

Someone really put it back.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. Because I'm like, what if somebody can't find the size? They really want it back? Plus, I learned that there's people on the other side of the mirror in Macy's dressing room.

[Leah]

I can't be real.

[Zoe]

Are you calling her?

[Michelle Buteau]

You have, like, three computers. You can look it up.

[Nick]

Come on.

[Michelle Buteau]

What is this? Oceans 0.5. Look it up.

[Leah]

Isn't that illegal, though? Like, cameras.

[Zoe]

They're watching. They're watching women.

[Michelle Buteau]

There's a sign. Yeah.

[Zoe]

That says, we're watching you change.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yes.

[Sierra]

And watching you.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. Yes.

[Zoe]

That's probably how I got caught. Because they watched us shove all those Miss me jeans in a backpack.

[Danny]

Even at the times that I've thought about shoplifting when I was a teenager, it was the, like, one time when it's like I actually paid for something and the thing went off. And how mortifying that was. I was like, I would never.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Danny]

I didn't care about the cops. I didn't care about the ticket. I was like that. That moment when that thing goes off and you're like, I fucking.

[Michelle Buteau]

You're like, I'm better than this. That's exactly what it is. Yes. I'm better than this now. If it didn't go off, I'd still do it. But, yeah, there is something to. It is, like, how would you actually act if no one's watching? You know what I mean?

[Danny]

Reckless. And I'm just kidding.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, shit. Right?

[Danny]

I always put my cart back, and.

[Michelle Buteau]

That'S why I never sit on hotel couches.

[Zoe]

Oh, my God.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Zoe]

Disgusting.

[Michelle Buteau]

I just feel like people have their balls all over them.

[Zoe]

All over them. They don't wipe those down.

[Nick]

You live in New York.

[Michelle Buteau]

What does that mean?

[Nick]

Balls everywhere.

[Michelle Buteau]

Everything's dirty, but there's balls all over the world.

[Nick]

Unfortunately.

[Michelle Buteau]

I think. I think it's like, when you're, like, in a metropolitan city with shared spaces, people are just like, we can't have bedbugs because that's going to take us down town. But if I'm in, like, a Podung place, I don't think anybody gives a. I was in Syracuse and I was like, this is scary. Yeah, Like. Like, okay. I don't have to follow it up. I don't want. On Syracuse.

[Sierra]

Oh, no, on Syracuse.

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm from Florida. Okay. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Okay, great.

[Michelle Buteau]

Like a panhandle Florida. Like, what kind of food?

[Sierra]

No, no, no. Like Central, Coastal.

[Michelle Buteau]

Like a Tallahassee.

[Sierra]

No, like. Like a Sarasota. Like a Tampa.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, okay. But you have an airport.

[Sierra]

Yeah, there's an airport.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. Busch Gardens.

[Zoe]

Bush Garden.

[Sierra]

Busch Gardens does rock hard.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

So you got stuff.

[Sierra]

Yeah. You can drink.

[Michelle Buteau]

It's not, like, orange.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Tigers and roller coasters.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Dude.

[Sierra]

Get a little redneck with it.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. My parents are in Miami. We don't really see each other.

[Sierra]

I've been to Miami one time in my life.

[Michelle Buteau]

What?

[Sierra]

Yeah, That's a thing of, like, I will. Well, the thing about Florida is, like, it's three different places. There's, like, North Florida, which is a hate crime. There's Middle Florida, which is. I don't even know. And then South Florida, which is its.

[Michelle Buteau]

Own thing, which is North Cuba.

[Zoe]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

It's more Caribbean than anything, right?

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

And it's like, Middle really is like Disney World. Who's just like, it's Minnesota.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

But old.

[Sierra]

And then also, like, rednecks. Yeah. And then. Yeah. South Florida.

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm, like, there, too.

[Sierra]

Like, y' all are too good for us.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, you know, go and have a mojito and get spun.

[Zoe]

Speaking of Miami, did you. Are you following Todd and Alex because they're currently back together.

[Michelle Buteau]

No, I'm not, but I just finished Love Is Blind and I'm obsessed.

[Zoe]

And what are your thoughts on Annie and Nick's breakup?

[Michelle Buteau]

I have a lot of thoughts on that. Okay. I. At first, I was judging her, and I thought she was annoying because I think it's annoying because she's only able to say, I love you.

[Danny]

Say.

[Michelle Buteau]

But also, she can't put words to it.

[Zoe]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

And the only time she feels comfortable saying how she feels is when she's drunk over Taco Bell. And he's like, I just want to eat this chalupa. And I was like, I don't know what's more sad, that you break it up or it's gonna look like that coming out too. Like, you literally got, like, refried beans with a coupon. But, you know, bless up Denver. But, like. But I. I feel sad because. And then when he broke up with her, I was like, oh, she was feeling it. Yep. You know, and I felt. In that moment, I was like, I wish she knew how to have the words, but I think she's just obsessed with surface and in surface, but wants deeper but doesn't know how to get there.

[Nick]

She's the words of affirmation girl.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yes. And. But touch. But also, like, she looks like she needs, like, a lot of. Like.

[Nick]

She's like, definitely not acts of service.

[Zoe]

Definitely not act of service.

[Nick]

He was like, I've done all these things. And she's like. And, yeah, she's like, okay, I don't give a.

[Zoe]

She's like, and I love you.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yes.

[Danny]

So you want to marry me? Yeah. No.

[Zoe]

He said, one plus one doesn't equals three.

[Michelle Buteau]

And I was like, why are we doing math?

[Danny]

I know.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay. Why are we doing that? Goodwill hunting. It was very confusing. And what I found interesting, too, is that his mom was like, he's real sensitive. And so I don't. Like, that's triggering for me because my mom is always just like, don't be so sensitive. I'm like, maybe just be more sensitive. So. And I'm just like, unpack that. What does that mean? That he has feelings he can't express that you don't want to deal with it. Like, what does that mean? Also, like, was he depressed when he was little?

[Zoe]

I mean, he gave us the whole story in the pods about how his mom, like, had to ask him if he was gay, which felt like maybe some information that we didn't.

[Michelle Buteau]

I did not like that. I did not like that they bonded over being homophobic. I was like, yes, either. It was like, oh, yeah. And I'm like, you guys are just gonna Say that unconscious. If the show is it, they're gonna.

[Zoe]

Put this in every language.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yes. People actually feel that way. And then I think people agree with just, like, sad.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Real sad. I just thought that that broke my heart because, you know when someone says, I want to have a child, but then it's like, with the condition.

[Zoe]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm like, what I hear is, please don't have a child. Yeah. Because it's unconditional for a reason.

[Danny]

Exactly.

[Michelle Buteau]

Do you know what I mean? I'm just like, that is a beautiful soul. It does. Like, love is love. And I'm just like, I would, like. I almost want them to stay together, to have a gay child. Child. To teach them how to love themselves. But I was like, you know, you could just want stuff for people, but you also, like, go home and match your socks.

[Zoe]

So it was interesting how he came to the conclusion that he didn't want to marry her, though.

[Michelle Buteau]

Was it the next day?

[Danny]

It was, right?

[Zoe]

Yeah, it was. It was the next day, after they're drunk, Taco Bell, chalupa, you don't love me conversation. And he was like, I'm just tired of you putting words in my mouth and saying, I don't love you when I do love you.

[Michelle Buteau]

What an excuse, right? Say that.

[Nick]

The. Yeah. The amount of guys who say I love you while breaking up with someone, it's wild of. Yeah, we should not be together. I do love you, though.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I don't know. Nick's whole thing when he. When he was in the pods and there was the one girl that he had said that he loved, and then he.

[Michelle Buteau]

Kate.

[Sierra]

And then she was like, yeah, no, I'm not. Like, I'm not religious. Yeah. And then he was like, oh, well, we're not together. Even though she had told him that before.

[Michelle Buteau]

But also, she had the most tragic story.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Zoe]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

And I can see why you would question God and the universe. Because. Because why does the most important person in your life have to be sick and die? And instead of coming from a place of love and understanding, he's like, well, here are my requirements. And so therefore, I'm out. And she dodged a bullet. But, yeah, I think you can love somebody but want to break up with them. No.

[Nick]

Maybe so. But you shouldn't say it.

[Michelle Buteau]

You shouldn't say it because it's confusing.

[Nick]

It's confusing and it's selfish. And you're only saying it because you don't want to be the bad guy.

[Michelle Buteau]

It's kind of like gaslighting fighting, you know? I think A little bit. Because.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't know. I think you can love somebody but break up with them because you're just like, it'll never work. We're not compatible. But the love and the chemistry is there.

[Nick]

Yeah, but they're like, how you say it. But I love. No, I do love you.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Zoe]

Because it's like the person you're breaking up with is just, like. Is only listening to I love you. And they're like, well, then I'm confused. If you love me, that's why she's +1 +3.

[Nick]

You have to be okay with being their bad guy.

[Zoe]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, you got to be their villain in their story. Story. I really enjoyed the conversation with KB And Ed. I. I listen. I don't think they're gonna end up together.

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't think they should end up for sure.

[Nick]

He's like. He's got some emotional growing to do.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yes.

[Nick]

There's some of these couples where, like, it. Like Joe and. And Madison. I don't even think. I mean, he's just freaking out. I don't even know if, like, they're really even real. Like, I think I kind of, like, feel like they're maybe pretending. KB And Ed, they just seem like they're not meant to be together, but they both mean well. And I do feel like there's a genuine respect for each other there.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. I think it was just sweet. Each other. Like, we are the only black couple. And so there is, like, when you are the only. There is a responsibility you have, like, forever for, dare I say, every other black person, let's say, in the world. Because people are gonna look at you and say, look at this example. Oh, she's got a new black girls. But, you know, they get angry and aggressive and this, that, and the third. And so I think there's, like, this responsibility, like, an unspoken responsibility that they have. Have. Which I think the respect is really nice. I like that she checks herself, and she's like, I'm trying to be patient. He's got a lot going on. And I don't know if I was a producer that I would have him on tv, because, you know, I just. I feel bad.

[Nick]

There's some trauma there.

[Zoe]

I definitely like watching him. Them go through, you know, her. Her layout the whole day, and then him be like, I just need you. It was beautiful for him to be able to be like, I just need you to.

[Leah]

To.

[Zoe]

To say something nice. Like, I just. And not like. And not.

[Michelle Buteau]

But what do I do? Right.

[Zoe]

But then it was Tell me what I do. Yeah. But it felt like it was coming from, like, he obviously bounced around from foster home to foster home. This man has, like, never felt chosen. He's never had the, like, stable, security, safe feeling. And he's like, I just want to feel like I'm doing good.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Zoe]

And, like, I just need to hear that. And so it was like a beautiful calm now.

[Michelle Buteau]

And tell him. Call him. Also, I want him to take the pic out of his head.

[Zoe]

Ally and Anton.

[Nick]

He's a liar.

[Zoe]

Liar.

[Michelle Buteau]

You know what's so funny? I told my husband when they, like, met each other for the first time, and she was waiting for him to look back, and he took a sip of his drink and was like, this is the good stuff. I was like, he got a drinking problem?

[Sierra]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick]

Maybe I'm profiling, but he's Russian, and those Russians know how to.

[Danny]

All I know is if the tequila bottle was in when he.

[Nick]

And when she's like, is the tequila bottle there? And he's like, the what?

[Michelle Buteau]

No, I know what is. I know. And then he's so different.

[Zoe]

He's like, me and Patrick, we drank, like, full four. And then 10 minutes later, she's like, how many did you impat? He's like, yeah, I just brought him down. One drink.

[Michelle Buteau]

I know.

[Danny]

Oh, and you can tell that he's gotten in trouble so many times because he didn't even know what he was in trouble for when it was. The friend came over and he was like, oh, no. But he wasn't in the apartment. I actually brought things down because she was. He was like, are you mad that he was in the apartment?

[Michelle Buteau]

And then, like, the deflection of, like, you drink too. You drink too.

[Nick]

Then the speech of. Was it also a little gaslighty where it's just like, well, I love you the way you are, and if you don't love me the way I, man, then we can just break up. But I love you. I'm selfless.

[Danny]

And he thought he caught her with the. Is this how you are every day with this message? Because, yeah. Yeah, it is.

[Zoe]

Yeah. And.

[Danny]

Yeah, what about your drinking? Let's talk about it.

[Michelle Buteau]

That's so insane. But, like, to be with someone, like, they're holding up an ugly mirror to you, Right? So I didn't even know how much I was drinking until my husband told me. And I was like, oh, that's a lot. I thought I was having a good time. He's like, you fall asleep in the bathroom at every party. I'm like, but it's dark, it's cold. It's a nice little nap. I just want a little something something and come back. He's like, just stop drinking. Drinking that, I mean, that took, like, about five years. So it's like being patient with that person. And I didn't think I was drinking too much because I was always having a good time. My credit card always went through. I always remembered my card at the bar. I was like, I'm let. I am do. And I could, like, work hungover. And I'm like, I'm pretty amazing. I'm multitasking superhero, and I need it. I did this thing where I was like, I need, like, I need it. Like, I need to relax and have fun. But ultimately, if it's like, making the person I'm with uncomfortable, check yourself. But you also have to, like, listen. He wasn't listening.

[Zoe]

No.

[Michelle Buteau]

He was like, pick up your socks. I want to have a bottle of tequila. And I'm fine. Yeah. I felt bad for her because she's so sweet and young and doesn't want to rock the boat, but I love that she, like, stood her ground.

[Zoe]

Yeah, me too. I think she also posted on her social media, like, I'm working 12 hour shifts, so, like, I'm not coming home and doing the laundry and cleaning. And he is, like, coming home at six in the morning and cracking open some beers. No, like, go to bed. Yeah, you've been working all night.

[Danny]

Just go to bed.

[Nick]

And you can, you know, he's very defensive about it because that first question was just like, how much have you had? And he immediately starts lying. It's not like. Because, you know, I'm not a big drinker, but if I had some buddies over and we got a little saucy, I'd been like, yeah, we got a little carried away. But his. He immediately was like, oh, I need a lie.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Or like, I don't know where the four unaccounted for went.

[Zoe]

You. But you.

[Danny]

What do you mean? You have some.

[Zoe]

You had some. You were drinking too.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Danny]

So she's like, but what about one?

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm sorry. One and one don't make three.

[Sierra]

What do we do?

[Michelle Buteau]

That was so uncomfortable. And even down to, like, I don't know, even down to the whole strip club of it all.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Danny]

That's a big one.

[Nick]

It is.

[Michelle Buteau]

I've been to strip clubs with my husband, and it was, like, fun. And then we're like, we're good. Yeah. You know, Know. And even when we went, I was like, this was Fun this one time.

[Zoe]

Right.

[Nick]

You know what I mean?

[Danny]

But I'm like, when you see.

[Nick]

When you point the regulars and you know who they are, because, like, yeah, every once in a while you might go with your girl, get a little. We're in Vegas, let's get a little weird, you know? And then you're just like, these guys brought coupons.

[Danny]

They're eating the buffet.

[Zoe]

They're calling them by their first name.

[Danny]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Hey, Joe. Good to see you again.

[Michelle Buteau]

How's your mom doing?

[Zoe]

That's crazy.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, I. But it's so funny because they think that they're ready.

[Danny]

That's what's so concerning, too, is that it's like. And you also know what you think husband material sounds like. So you're saying the bit, but you're not doing the work and that's not who you are. And you don't think that we're going to figure that out.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. It's so funny because kb I feel like her. The way her mind works, I'm like, oh, my God, Edmund is going to like, explode. Because she just like, goes, go, go, go, go, go, go. There's like no air in between. And then Allie's like, I think this is a problem if I can tell you it's a problem. Right. You know, and she's like learning how to be on her voice. And then. What's the other one that was with Nick? Annie.

[Zoe]

Annie.

[Michelle Buteau]

She doesn't know how to. It's almost like she was a caveman and she just. Who was frozen. And then she just came.

[Zoe]

She just.

[Nick]

She.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. Was just melting. I love you. There's so much more to it, I promise.

[Leah]

That's crazy.

[Michelle Buteau]

You gotta get past that sentence.

[Zoe]

How do you feel about laughing during an argument?

[Michelle Buteau]

I roll my eyes a lot. I also do comedy, so if it's funny, it's funny. But I think Edmund's laughing. It's a nervous laugh. It's like laughing at a funeral. It's like you don't know what to do. And I think that that's his inner child. Right? Like, that's his defense mechanism. That's what protected him. You know, whatever he experienced or saw or went through when he was little, if he could laugh, he was okay. And that's it. I. All I see is therapy twice a.

[Zoe]

Week when I see him.

[Nick]

I. I have a ton of empathy for Edmund.

[Michelle Buteau]

Same?

[Leah]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, same. You know?

[Zoe]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Closet. Like, you know when kids go under the bed to feel safe because they don't want to hear what's happening in the house.

[Zoe]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm sorry, Is this supposed to be a fun podcast? I'm so sorry.

[Danny]

No.

[Zoe]

But that he did crawl into that cabinet and was like, I can. I like it in here.

[Leah]

Yeah.

[Danny]

And I was also reminding that KB is a social worker. So it's like she does have a different level of patience, and it has to be direct and clear with what she's saying and understand it.

[Zoe]

They really are. He just needs. He just needs some work. Maybe they'll circle back on each other.

[Danny]

Well, I'm kind of like, too where I'm like, for her and I'm. And I'm not trying to be insulting to admin at all. All I'm saying is that I'm like, sometimes it's nice to. To. For work to end. And I'm like, I feel like that would be bringing work home with her to get married to Edmund.

[Nick]

Yeah. I don't think they should get married.

[Zoe]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Danny]

And that's just with the most respect for both of them.

[Michelle Buteau]

But I don't think they should be friends.

[Danny]

Are you friends with your exes?

[Michelle Buteau]

No, they're an ex for a reason.

[Nick]

Oh, speaking of Sparkle, Megan's best friend, they just, like, showed a guy huge red flag, really. Adult person with a straight opposite sex bestie.

[Michelle Buteau]

I am gonna challenge you on this because one of my best friends is a straight man, and I wrote a character about him in the show. My show, Survival of the Thickest, available on Netflix. Season 2, Season 3 is coming out soon. But, yeah, I mean, we've been best friends since we were 12.

[Nick]

And exceptions to every rule but 100.

[Michelle Buteau]

And it's so funny because even when I was writing this character, she has a best friend who's kind of a hug. They're like, when do they hook up? I'm like, they don't, but when do they hook? They don't. And it's like sometimes you could. Sometimes you could have more than one soulmate and a friend. So all this to say if they had hooked up, I'd be like, that's crazy.

[Nick]

I think exceptions, every rule. And I've. I mean, I've. I had plenty. A lot of women friends, and we just friends. But they still played the role of, like, emotional support system. You know, they still played the role of girlfriend in a way, even though it wasn't sexual. Yeah. And I just think all my friendships changed. You know, obviously when I got in a serious relationship, especially with my wife, but especially my women friendships dramatically changed because that energy went to my Wife.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay.

[Nick]

But it's more like, hey, if we're like, me and Joe are still getting lunch every Wednesday, to me that would just be different. Whereas this is a different kind of.

[Danny]

Couch hangs or something. Like, because I'm like, if Connor were to talk to me about being like, hey, I'm gonna go see Leanne or somebody, and I'd be like, what the fuck, are you coming too?

[Nick]

As a single man, me and my women friends would like hang out, out in the middle of the night, like talking about our feelings and talking about shit and talking about people we're dating.

[Michelle Buteau]

And nothing would happen with anyone in the middle.

[Nick]

Yeah, but like that all that just all changed when I got into a relationship.

[Michelle Buteau]

I mean. Yes, yes. I mean, I think, you know, I think people are in your life for different reasons. And if some people do take that place of like, I'm not dating anyone. So this is like fun and we don't have to put anything on it. But I'm talking like, like real friendship. Like, you know, like the same thing as like a cousin or like a sibling. Like real friendship. Especially, I don't know, for me doing standup, I know more men than women and in the standup world and that was something that I needed my partner to be comfort comfortable with because, you know, I'm dedicated to him. But it's like jealousy. Not saying that you're jealous or you're jealous, but like jealousy and insecurity, you know, you can't grow from that because you're always like questioning what are you doing, where? And you can't grow. And, and so that's always a thing. And so, and I do feel like jealousy is like when people don't realize their power yet. And so I wish, especially now in this time as we're challenging like what gender means and then like being fluid and questioning stuff and like, like, dare I say, my, me being friends with people. I would. It's sort of like the way people would consider themselves to be pansexual. And so that's how I go about my friendships. I'm like, you're a good person. Well, you're not. I do think people are in your life for a reason. It is a red flag as well if someone's like, I'm friends with all my exes because I'm like, it feels like you are waiting on something to happen.

[Nick]

I agree with you. Like every people are in your life for a reason, but sometimes those, those, those seasons end.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. Yes.

[Nick]

You know, and so it's okay to Move on from friendships and 100. And, like, they played a role.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I'm grateful for all my exes.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Even the terrible ones, you know?

[Zoe]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. It's all a lesson.

[Nick]

Yeah. It's all a lesson.

[Michelle Buteau]

I tell my kids, you're never losing. You're always learning. And then my friends are like, shut the up with the gentle parenting. But then by 6pm I'll drink water or you die.

[Danny]

Like, it depends.

[Michelle Buteau]

If you catch me on 11, I am. It's a gentle parent.

[Nick]

That's a great lesson. And I'm not a gentle parent.

[Michelle Buteau]

No, you're the. You're the bad cop.

[Nick]

I think we're both. I mean, she's 2, so we haven't really gotten a good cop, bad cop yet, but.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay.

[Nick]

You know, I'm too. No, but I don't. I. I think there's tough love, you know, I think there's just, like.

[Zoe]

You know, I also think gentle parenting is, like, such a spectrum, and it's like. I think it's also like, you know, we're not, like, spanking our child. You know, I'm like, I. I'm trying to teach her, like, time out and, like.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Zoe]

Because there is a consequence to, like, boundaries.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Nick]

She's really. Natalie's really good with, like, emotional regulation. With river, she'll, like, get to her level and talk.

[Michelle Buteau]

I love that.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Zoe]

I think also, like, something, you know, I think Nick kind of went into parenting is like. Because taking kind of some of the stuff that his dad did of like, you know, you don't need to know why. It's just because I said so. And then I think, think us being a team and, like, working together, I've really tried to show him that, like, she responds so much better to being like, I can't let you down in a parking lot because there's cars everywhere and you could get hit and it is dangerous. Instead of just like, no, no, no, no.

[Nick]

Someday it'll be because we said so.

[Danny]

Well, as one with no kids, I could suggest that you guys should just rest and go to the spa or something.

[Michelle Buteau]

I love it. Come on. Call back.

[Nick]

Come on.

[Zoe]

You are going on. You're on tour. You're going on tour. Surviving and thriving Tour. Give it to us.

[Danny]

Give us the deets.

[Zoe]

Tell our audience.

[Michelle Buteau]

It's very exciting. So I'm actually writing season three, third and final season of Survival, the Thickest, based off of my book. Go get it. Had I known, I would have brought, like, 1100 of my books.

[Zoe]

We have so much space we have.

[Michelle Buteau]

A little book club. And so when we wrap that a week later, I'll be going on tour. Surviving and thriving tour. Because, I mean, my book is called Survival the Thickest. And I did see this quote after I brought my kids home on Instagram. I'm so sorry. And it. The quote was, the tools that you need to survive won't be the ones you need to thrive. Because I had so many losses and it was so hard to have a justifiable whatever that. I was like, oh, my God, I don't want these kids to die. Because it was like the dead of winter and they were like four and five pounds. I'm like. And so I'm just like, this is such a shit show. All of it's a fucking shit show. So let's, like, put on, like, a V neck and some lip gloss and go thrive. I'll be hitting, like, a lot of, like, cities in the US Some cities I wouldn't normally go to, but I feel like I'm gonna show you guys some love because, you know, we all deserve. We all deserve a good fucking night. I want to make people laugh so hard they pee themselves a little bit. Which won't be hard because my demo is over 45.

[Zoe]

Yes.

[Danny]

Don't say bitch. I don't know what they're saying.

[Michelle Buteau]

So anyways, sorry. Just funny to me. So I'm very excited, and I think I'm also going to be taking my kids on tour a little bit. Yeah. Like, I just love Joan Rivers and, like, her relationship with Melissa, and I'm just like, I want to show them what I do. I don't want to live this double life. So, yeah, I'm doing, like, Friday and Saturday shows because I feel like everyone's adult, you know, hopefully they learn about.

[Nick]

The world that way. You know, they do.

[Michelle Buteau]

I think it's the best kind of education to see what your parents do and then also to travel.

[Zoe]

Yeah, love.

[Michelle Buteau]

So I'm excited.

[Nick]

And where can people get tickets?

[Michelle Buteau]

Go to my website, michelle buto.org. it's the organization, lol. But also.com. it was, like, expired. And 24 hours later, some Italian virgin living in his mom's basement in Sicily bought it and is trying to sell it back to me, and I couldn't get it. Anyways. You just asked me where to get tickets. This is what happens when I'm not outside. Where do I put my shoes back on? Michelle.org.org org that's right. Forward slash titties.

[Zoe]

Good luck.

[Danny]

Where you end up.

[Michelle Buteau]

Ah. Yes. Not a Y. Anyways, you guys, this has been really fun.

[Nick]

Thanks for coming.

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't know if we'll ever see each other again.

[Leah]

Why?

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't know.

[Danny]

Would you come back? Live down the street?

[Michelle Buteau]

That's what I'm talking about. I'm not here.

[Danny]

I go to New York sometime.

[Michelle Buteau]

Well, let me know.

[Nick]

Well, we're not going anywhere. So if you're back in la, let us know.

[Zoe]

If you're back in la, let us know.

[Michelle Buteau]

If I'm back in la, let you know.

[Zoe]

We'd love to.

[Nick]

She's never coming back.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh shit. Yeah. Macy's six.

[Zoe]

Like I'm not 45 but I'd love to come.

[Michelle Buteau]

That's great. I Love it. I'm 48 and I play a 39 year old lies and Deceit.

[Danny]

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[Zoe]

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[Zoe]

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[Nick]

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[Zoe]

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[Nick]

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[Danny]

In a. I disagree with you.

[Leah]

I did it.

[Danny]

Okay. I think the question that was missing too is that it's like does your husband get along with the friend? Because that was my big thing too is that I'm like yes, you can still have platonic friendships. But I'm like, I just don't think that you're spending the time you would when you're Single with the opposite sex that you're not interested in. Like, if I told Connor, like, I'm so sorry, like, I'm gonna go with Nick on a bike ride to Venice. Like, I feel like he would be like, that's kind of weird. No.

[Zoe]

And it's also, like, to Nick's point, like, you're not confiding in that person. You know, Like, I'm confiding in my husband. Like, if I have any other drama, and if it's like, I'm annoyed with my husband, I'm not going to another man to talk about that.

[Nick]

And I'm not saying you can't have male friends or women friends or be friendly with the opposite sex when you're in a committed relationship. And of course, there are exceptions to every rule where, like, there are, you know, just unique friendships out there, whether it's really just not a thing. But I would say 99.99% of the time. Time, if. If someone is in a committed relationship and fighting to, like, spend quality time with a friend of the opposite sex, it's like, to your point, it's like.

[Danny]

Why I would say all of anybody that I would consider a close, like, guy friend of mine is a husband or partner of a friend of mine, because there's very clear parameters of, like, what our relationship is. There's never going to be a situation where I'm texting my friend's husband at 9pm be like, oh, my God, did you see the episode of such a duh? I'm texting my friend. And, like, then we can be in group chats and things, and we hang out in group settings. But, like, I'm not, like, ever being like, hey, Wells, want to go hang out and go grab a coffee? Like, I think that's weird.

[Nick]

Well, I mean, I agree with you. Like, my. My best. One of my best friends before this is long ago when I was living in Milwaukee. And we still, like, you know, I was single. Him and his wife, we'd. Once, we'd get coffee now and then, but usually I was, like, talking about, like, my bullshit or whatever, you know. But again, like, we weren't. Like, I wasn't fighting for quality time.

[Danny]

And to her point, it is the relationship that, like, you have with said person. Like, if you've been in somebody's life for 10 years and their husband's okay with you having a coffee with their wife, great. I just, like, for me, personally, I'm like, I just don't know, like, what you guys would have to talk about. That I wouldn't be invited to it, too.

[Nick]

So what's your exception? Leah, why are you wearing those glasses?

[Zoe]

Oh, my God.

[Danny]

I'm sorry.

[Zoe]

I knew, you know, I knew that something was off. Here we go.

[Nick]

It's an entirely different person.

[Zoe]

It's an entirely different person. I don't know. I mean, Danny's best friend is a girl. And, like, I'm also close with her, and she doesn't live here. So, like, whenever she's in town, they hang out, they get lunch, they go.

[Danny]

To coffee, and, like, I don't feel any type of way about it.

[Zoe]

Like, I am glad that she's in his life. I'm glad that she's in mine.

[Danny]

Like, did she go to high school with you and Danny?

[Zoe]

No, she didn't.

[Nick]

She had a relationship?

[Zoe]

Yeah, she's married.

[Nick]

What do they talk about?

[Danny]

They've known each other since they were 16.

[Zoe]

Like. Like, they are in the same industry. They talk about music. They talk about, you know, each other's families. Like, would you be bugged if, like, he was going to her and being like, Leia has just been, like, pissing me off. Like, she's doing this and she's doing that.

[Danny]

Of course.

[Zoe]

I hope that's not happening. I know, but do you feel like that would be different if it was to a guy? Like, another guy, and it was just, like, guy talk? Or do you.

[Danny]

No, I hope that's not happening with anybody.

[Nick]

I guess it depends. To Leia, of course. If you were going to your girlfriends and saying that about me, I wouldn't be any less annoyed.

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't know.

[Zoe]

I think it's different to, like, have your girlfriends and be like, you're both kind of just like.

[Danny]

Yeah, no, it is different.

[Zoe]

I can talk about him. He can't talk about me, though.

[Danny]

Okay. Okay.

[Zoe]

Okay.

[Danny]

Okay.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay.

[Danny]

I'm with la.

[Nick]

I guess it depends on how you talk.

[Zoe]

Yeah. Like, I call Chambliss, and I'm like, let me recap this argument that I had with Nick. Whose side are you on?

[Nick]

Like, a pulse talking.

[Zoe]

But I wouldn't do that with a man.

[Danny]

But I also have a theory that, like, men don't, like, sit down and, like, have those types of conversations. Well, you talk, you tell me me. But I'm like, even then, I think, like, golf, for example. And, like, golf is, like, a way that, like, men can trap another man to hang out with them for nine hours straight and don't have to ask it.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Danny]

Like, we could literally be like, hey, you want to go grab A glass of wine and you know, it's going to be minimum four hours long, and we're talking about anything and everything. Men are like, hey, man, like, you want.

[Sierra]

I don't think that's why they invented golf. That's why they invented baseball sport.

[Nick]

Men are not as simple or as emotionally disconnected as think they're. You're led to believe.

[Danny]

Like, if Natalie, like, pissed you off a little bit and you were going out to a boys night, like, would you like, be like, you know, just like a little light venting session to, like, your guys?

[Nick]

I. I'm a big believer in not talking shit about your partner.

[Danny]

Agreed. But there's a difference between talking shit and venting. Like, I feel like, for example, like, if it's like Nick left the cabinets open again and it pisses me off every time, and it's like, oh, my God, no, mine literally leaves his clothes next to the hamp.

[Nick]

If I felt like we. We're disconnected in some way, and if I felt like I needed to talk it through with someone, of course.

[Danny]

Right.

[Nick]

Which I think men do.

[Danny]

Okay. But I just feel like it's like, not as, like, where I'm Like, I feel like for women, it's a little bit more casual because we bounce things off of each other. Like, I feel like we're just kind of like.

[Zoe]

It's a lot of like, am I crazy?

[Danny]

Is this normal?

[Nick]

I think with men, it needs to feel like more heavier and more like. Yeah, it's not.

[Danny]

It's not like a casual, like. Okay, then also.

[Nick]

Oh, and by the way, it's not something to do. Yeah, yeah, we just play fantasy football instead.

[Danny]

That's what I'm saying. Like, that's what I think. Like, you're like, friendships are where I'm just like. I don't know. I feel like women just, like, need to feel very connected to each other. Know that we're not insane knowing that, like, everything that's happening in our relationship is normal. Or, like, if we need to talk.

[Nick]

About whether it was Michelle or Leia. I do think there are exceptions to rules and lifelong friendships, like, certainly can be that exception. But, like, if you're. If you are like, you meet someone, man or woman, doesn't matter the gender. And they're like, I've been. This is my best friend. And you're like, how long you been friends? Or like four years and you're like in your late 20s. This is weird, you know?

[Zoe]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And someone wanted to. Someone at some point.

[Zoe]

Do you think Jared Osmond has female friends.

[Nick]

100.

[Danny]

100.

[Nick]

So many female friends.

[Danny]

So many female friends.

[Nick]

And he's definitely fucked them up.

[Sierra]

Or tried.

[Nick]

Or tried.

[Sierra]

Actually, I think if he hasn't, they're not friends. I think he's given up.

[Danny]

I don't know, though.

[Nick]

He becomes friends with all of the women.

[Sierra]

I mean, yeah, I think it's. I think it's egg after chicken.

[Danny]

You guys are. You guys aren't even, like, giving him any credit, though, okay? Like, he has women that are contacting him only when they want to go to dinner or, like, have a nice gift.

[Sierra]

It must be really hard.

[Danny]

It's tough out.

[Sierra]

It's really hard to be an Oxman. We have to apologize, Brian.

[Nick]

Awesome. This episode, everybody.

[Leah]

This episode, like, a showdown. It was like, just every two seconds, it was like looking at someone else.

[Nick]

I mean, how could you not be Team Angie?

[Michelle Buteau]

I know.

[Zoe]

Well, Angie was pissing me off a little bit. Say more. She was definitely being, like, very childish and like, that. Well, you started it. Well, you did. Well, you didn't know. Well, you did that. You did that. But at the end of the day, you have to be like, okay, we're adults, and, like, who gives a fudge? Let's move on. I'm sorry. You're sorry.

[Nick]

She definitely wasn't the bigger person.

[Michelle Buteau]

That.

[Nick]

That is reserved for Brian, okay? Bron's the only bigger person. Heather can be the bigger person, but Heather's usually too chicken shit to.

[Zoe]

And sometimes she's the reason Heather's been good this season.

[Sierra]

Heather's kind of doing what you want, Nick.

[Danny]

She's not.

[Sierra]

I mean, she's talking out of both sides of her mouth a little bit, but she's getting there. I think she' waiting for the moment that she has to renew her contract.

[Nick]

Yes. She has to be willing to, like, stand on business. Like Angie. Angie is willing to be like, listen, it's. If it's me against all of you, then fuck it. I'm. Let's go. Like, I don't think she wants to be on an island. I think she wants to have allies. But she is not afraid to, like, say what she believes. And, like, sure. Is she being petty? You know, fine.

[Sierra]

Is she throwing a black card in Lisa's face? Is she throwing Electra's horse on the ground? Yes.

[Zoe]

Well, if you have no idea what we're talking about, and you missed the most recent episode of the Real House Housewives of Salt Lake City, here is your rapid recap. Whitney is transitioning into songwriting. She also takes the girls to get Psychic readings at a vineyard that apparently, according to Miriam Cosby, the former owner killed his wife and then himself in on Christmas Day in front of their dog. And then the dog was not normal after. So off to an incredible start. Lisa is done taking the high road with Angie. Lisa also thinks she would be a great farmer for a week. Brittany is apparently an expert realtor. However, she is not an expert at breaking up with Jared. He calls her four times throughout lunch a as luncheon. So all of the girls get emotional. Psychic readings. This is what's going on outside. Lisa denies rumors and nastiness about Meredith. She also calls Angie Satan. Heather doesn't buy it. The cracks are showing. Angie then throws her black card in Lisa's face. So Lisa ups the ante and brings the term shortly into her vocabulary. And also reveals she has 12 threads on each side. Not a facelift as Angie was claiming. Angie then brings a Tupperware filled with Lisa's gifts and throws them all out. All of the women try to band together to get both of them to shut the door up. It doesn't take. Lisa storms off before they can resolve anything. But the psychic told Angie that Electra's horse was going to get injured, and then Angie threw it and broke Electra's toy horse.

[Danny]

Spooky.

[Zoe]

Mary is a lover of horses and sick of all the chaos, she says she's done with Angie. No overall, has anyone seen a black card in real life discussed? I haven't actually.

[Leah]

I have many a.

[Nick]

What's that mean?

[Danny]

A black mx.

[Leah]

The thick ones, the heavy ones.

[Zoe]

No, I haven't.

[Sierra]

I have not.

[Danny]

Definitely have. But can we just say how funny it was, this entire, like, psychic experience? While every editors were amazing, each woman that would walk into the room, like, she'd be like, oh, my God, Hi. Like, nice to meet you. And all of a sudden you just hear in the background and it's like all of them just like fighting in the background.

[Nick]

Britney's like, I have chills. How could they know that? And this is a montage of Britney, like, talking about her disconnect with her daughter.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I don't really talk to them because they think they I should give them attention instead of dating Jared Osmond.

[Nick]

I just genuinely appreciate it because I just think that tarot card reading psychic bullshit is bullshit.

[Leah]

And I don't think so.

[Nick]

I don't think you have all these.

[Danny]

Public f. I've done one where I was like, there's things that have happened.

[Nick]

You want to believe.

[Danny]

No, no, no, no, no. I'm Talking, like, very specific, involving a legal case that, like, literally, like, nobody would have known about. And this woman put down, like, 50 cards. And I was like, what are you talking about? And every.

[Nick]

He wasn't one of them.

[Leah]

I'm sorry.

[Danny]

That's fine.

[Leah]

That's fine.

[Nick]

He was talking their inst. Watching previous seasons of Housewives.

[Danny]

There was a. There was a season of Orange county where Vicki, I think, got a psychic after her mom passed. And the psychic, Tamara, was in the room with him, and it was Vicki and her brother. And he was like, yeah, your mom just wants you to know that she, like, left, okay. Like, she thought to be worried about her. And somebody got a tattoo recently. And she was like, yeah, my. My nephew. Your mom doesn't love the tattoo. And then Tamara goes, what's it off? And the psychic goes. So, like, we don't like the interruptions throughout here because, like, you know, the connection is being broken. But I was like.

[Nick]

I mean, it was. It was giving OC lie detector where it's like, yeah, you get. You got a bug in his ear. Producers are, like, feeding him information.

[Danny]

And also Whitney Rose set this up where I'm like, God bless. But I'm like, even her. Her little gimmick in the beginning with the strippers for the FBI raiding the rv. Like, it's just like, here's my cue. Like, I'm like, you know, you fed this guy all the information.

[Zoe]

I'm telling Meredith that one of her friends is, like, not really her friend.

[Leah]

And then Angie coming in during it, trying to get the ball.

[Danny]

Yeah, same with Lisa, too. Like, Whitney, like, you can't trust somebody in your friend group. And Lisa walks by, like, blows a kiss. Here's my cue.

[Nick]

Am I the only one who feels like Mary overreacted?

[Leah]

No, absolutely not.

[Nick]

Like, I don't. I'm done with you. Like, she spoke truth. You. Like, why. Why do all the women give Lisa a pass for? Lisa has come from them all and said just, like, horrible shit about them. Like, stuff that if you wanted to be like, you know. Know what? I don't hate you. I forgive you. But, like, I don't fuck with you like that you crossed the line. And Angie has standards.

[Sierra]

I'm not like, team Mary in the way that she stormed off, but I do understand her just trying to level with her friend and getting her to cool down, and then she just completely disregards you. And then, you know, Angie was, like, hot. And I think Mary just was like, I'm not doing this. We're done.

[Nick]

Don't Call me your friend if you are saying things like, don't expect me to be mad at them just because they're, like, they're mad at you. No, I. I do. Or we're not friends. We're casuals.

[Leah]

Like, I would marry on that one. That's how I operate too.

[Nick]

Oh, what do you mean?

[Leah]

Like, I don't need to, like, hate someone, like, with all, like, passion if. Just because you're beefing over something, like, dumb.

[Nick]

But who is this person? Like, if. If Max, for example.

[Leah]

Yeah. Like, I feel like if he was throwing a temp, like, temper tantrum, throwing cards at everybody, I'd be like, okay.

[Nick]

Well, like, well, yeah, if he's throwing a temper tantrum, then sure, you need to check the person having a temper tantrum. But if someone wrong. Wronged Max, truly wronged him, hurt him in a way that he's like, hey, this person hurt me. I'm hurt by them. And then. And that person did nothing to you, you're still like, you know what? They didn't do anything to me.

[Leah]

Yeah, okay. Definitely not that. But I think Mary. I think what Mary was irritated by was the fact that she was trying to get her best friend to, like, calm down. And it took, like, it didn't work. And the second that she left, Angie stopped. Because I think Angie was like, oh. Like, that was serious.

[Sierra]

That's the thing. I think it has way less to do with. With Angie and Lisa feuding Mary's feelings. Mary's gonna ride for Angie. I think Mary just feels that Angie kind of disrespected her and the way that she was like, I need you to just listen to me. And Angie wouldn't do it.

[Danny]

But I kind of.

[Zoe]

That's what I read.

[Danny]

Like, that's giving, like, a little Britney Bateman. Like, what about me? Like, in this moment right now, you've got Angie, who's fighting with Lisa and who's genuinely hurt by what Lisa did. And it's like, now it's like, but you're not listening to me. And it's like, no, because I'm focused on a. Like, right now, where I'm like, this is a conversation that we should be having otherwise. And also, like, sorry, when your best friend's also on a T show that I'm like, when she's popping off like that, like, you know, Angie seeing red right now that she's not going to be hearing you.

[Nick]

And if you're in the middle of being triggered and. And your friends, the first thing they do is Try to tell you to stop and then in any way, I guess, defend the other. It's just going to. Sounds like you're. It sounds to them like you're taking their side.

[Danny]

You're telling me to shut the fuck up right now, to behave and to get along with somebody. And that's what I agree with Angie, too, is like, Angie's allowed to have her feelings. Lisa comes in with her feelings all the time. I agree with. She invited people just solely to show her little poster boards because she wanted to say, gotcha. So I'm like, let Angie have her moment of clearing up. Why did you bring this up? And even then, Meredith is the one that kicked off all of this shit and then was literally like, sorry, my hands are clean.

[Nick]

Meredith definitely did not buy the tarot. She was like, interesting.

[Danny]

I've never been there before.

[Leah]

Say, I do love a woman that throws something. I think that's what I've come to.

[Nick]

Realize on Salt Lake City.

[Leah]

The second they're throwing something, I'm like, my girl.

[Zoe]

I'm in, like, yeah, you got me.

[Danny]

And then Britney tried to shove the black card in her bra.

[Leah]

I do. Brittany deserves her snowflake after this episode. Like in the beginning, when she's trying to bring up, like, the records of the house being sold, but nobody. Nobody acknowledged her for, like, a good two, three minutes. And she just kept going.

[Nick]

And they came for her hair, and she took it like a champ.

[Zoe]

She did.

[Sierra]

Would you guys just stop talking about my hair, guys? She's like, it is so. It is so that girl who is like, yeah, I'm best friends with all of them.

[Michelle Buteau]

What are you talking about?

[Sierra]

And then they're all like, no, we don't like you. And they're like, ah, they're so funny.

[Danny]

And also a defensive Angie, yet again, where I'm kind of like, even Mary, you're there. You do not like Britney. I'm like, Britney was poking Angie about her house, already getting her feathers ruffled. That it was like, Meredith comes in with Lisa. Lisa calls her Satan, and it's. It's. It's. It's game over.

[Sierra]

Okay, here's the thing. You guys know my ride for Meredith Marks, and I will always ride for Meredith Marks no matter what she does. However, Meredith. Lisa obviously did say that to Angie.

[Danny]

Yes.

[Sierra]

Why are you letting her off the hook? I just. I'm like, meredith, you deserve a better friend than Lisa Barlow.

[Nick]

It does give that Lisa genuinely has dirt on some of these people.

[Leah]

She has seven lawyers.

[Nick]

But even.

[Danny]

Even Lisa's Hot mic moment. And when she's going off about Meredith, that it's just like this woman, she's literally filming on a location with you and ran to the bathroom to expose all of your shit with being mic'd up. You don't think she's having a little Kiki at tea time?

[Leah]

What Angie said literally is the hot mic moment.

[Danny]

And also this just also confirms between this and Secret Lives Mormon Wives. Like, I will never be able to exist in Utah. Like these women on some other shit.

[Sierra]

Truly, they would crucify me.

[Zoe]

I don't think I'd be able to survive in Potomac because y' all know I have excessive sweat glands and sometimes I'm not smelling like great in the armpit area. And like that's. It's a medical disease.

[Danny]

So like, but you know yourself.

[Zoe]

But I feel like they would, they would hold it against me for the end of time.

[Danny]

I was gonna say you don't want to come to a group workout and they have a bowl of deodorant just for you on your mat.

[Zoe]

Literally. Like, I know I would move.

[Danny]

I move stays.

[Zoe]

Tia is great.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Zoe]

Yes.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I. I want to hang with her.

[Zoe]

Well, if you did not watch the most recent episode of the Real Housewives of Potomac, here's your rapid recap. We pick up at Ashley's second bloom to finish the fight. Giselle doesn't think Stacy is really divorced either. But still she rises. Then a woman comes to do a burlesque randomly. Stacy is the only level headed one in the group. According to Stacy, Wendy is not buying any of this. However, she did return it to insurance. Tia and Giselle are bonded because they both have twins. Tia doesn't want to drive because she doesn't want to look happy haggard. Also, her husband is a nerd. Ashley's situationship isn't Jack Harlow. It's just a dude named Josh. He has too much product in his hair. Angel is a rookie to this group of women, but certainly not a rookie woman. Kay and Greg are good for today, but apparently Wendy had asked K at an event if she had done her own makeup. Tea. And angel defended Wendy. More tea. Giselle didn't know that friends chin checked each other. Angel has the girls over for tranquility themed hang and gives them all spike tea. Wendy thinks it's giving. Get out. Giselle doesn't like tranquility. She likes lies and foolishness. Angel also makes it clear that she would never get chin check. She would only chin check. Stacy arrives late and makes sure to pop a mint before asking the women to do a cleansing breath that she then shows Ashley's fake divorce papers to prove her case. Also, it's Karen's birthday. Giselle K. Ashley, and Cookie get together to pour one out for the girl. Overall is Stacy the Britney. Britney Bateman of this group.

[Danny]

All I heard was, how many chins could a Chin.

[Michelle Buteau]

Chick.

[Danny]

Chick chin check good. Check chins.

[Nick]

All I heard is, oh, I saw puss.

[Zoe]

Yeah. The burlesque puss. Yeah, Puss.

[Danny]

That.

[Zoe]

And they're all like, this is okay.

[Danny]

We've had.

[Nick]

And honestly, puss is such a. Like, a more digestible word than adding.

[Danny]

That extra E. Yeah, I'm with you.

[Zoe]

Yeah, I do.

[Danny]

I do like puss.

[Sierra]

Well, it's also, like, les is more fun to say than, like, lesbian.

[Danny]

Yeah. Yeah. Pat the Puss.

[Zoe]

Erika Jane.

[Danny]

Pat the Puss. Pat the Puss. Yeah. I think the women are taking it too far with the breath mints things. I'm sorry. Like, it's. Now it's just cruel.

[Leah]

Well, did you see. Watch what happens live. Andy used, like, a graphic of Stacey with bad breath. People were called him out, being like, that's bullying. Like, it's going too far.

[Danny]

Yeah, that's way too far. I'm like, one episode, fine.

[Zoe]

One episode. One slide joke in front of her. Yeah, in front of her is fine.

[Nick]

Just to let them know.

[Zoe]

Just to let them know.

[Nick]

Just so they can deal with it.

[Zoe]

But now we're on to the next. And you have a bowl of mints, and then you. Everyone is laughing at her. It's giving.

[Danny]

Make a comment. Next room. Make a comment outside. Make a comment. Like, I'm like, this is just like, it's not funny anymore.

[Sierra]

I think. I think when people continue to make fun of you for the same thing, it's like, guys, there are other things. You can roast me for your breath.

[Danny]

Yikes. And with Jeff Lewis on Yikes. And Ashley Darby.

[Sierra]

Yikes.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Zoe]

That's not nice.

[Danny]

Yeah. Wendy was killing me, though, when she had Stacy over, and she was like, child, like, what do you mean? She's like, are you engaged? No, I'm back with my husband. So you paid TJ to come on for a season to get back with your husband undone.

[Zoe]

And then she's like, I have to use the restroom. What are you doing in the restroom? She's like, I need to use the facilities.

[Danny]

I, like, talk about people, like, not trusting you, girl.

[Zoe]

Like, there's also, like, someone comes to my house, and they're like, where's your restroom? I'm like, why? What are you going to do in there? I've, like, seen too many movies where they're, like, going through the medicine cabinet, you know, they're, like, doing too many things in your bathroom. That's like, why do you need to use my.

[Danny]

You didn't go before you came here. Yeah. You knew we were filming.

[Zoe]

You can't hold it.

[Leah]

Also interesting. Confirmed. TMZ confirmed it, that Stacy was divorced. Actually, did you see that?

[Danny]

Did we see the file?

[Nick]

I mean, well, if TMZ said it.

[Danny]

Yeah, it must be true. Yeah.

[Leah]

Well, no, but a ton of people have been reporting on it that the couple married in September 2007 and separated in August 2023, and then they were divorced in December 16th of 2024.

[Zoe]

So why can't Ashley find it?

[Danny]

Why can't she say that?

[Nick]

Yeah, because she doesn't want to.

[Zoe]

Stacy is being, like, weirdly cagey. Very cagey about. About it. If someone accuses you of something that, like, isn't true, I feel like it's like you're just like, yeah, no, sorry, you're looking in the wrong place. Like, I don't know. And you Google better.

[Nick]

I don't know. You get naturally cagey when your friend group is, like, just coming for you, overly judgy and just, like, having strong opinions about your relationship. It's like, you know, you. You tend to be cagey.

[Sierra]

I also feel like that is just Stacy's personality. That's how she reacts to kind of. Of every situation.

[Nick]

She is kind of the Brittany of the group.

[Leah]

Yeah.

[Danny]

But, like, I feel like there's just something very inauthentic about her because, I mean, there's too many questions that she can't answer. But then she plays the victim the whole time. Be one thing if you're owning. You're like, I don't owe you shit kind of thing. But it's like, the way that she goes about it is like, I just can't believe you guys would say these things about me, but I'm not going to, like, give proof to shut you guys up.

[Sierra]

I mean, one of my favorite, like, Housewives clips that I've seen, and now watching Potomac, I really appreciate it even more is a clip of Stacy at the reunion quoting Maya and Angelou, being like, in Still I Rise, and everyone just going, oh, my God, like, that's Stacy.

[Nick]

Have you watched Potomac for a while?

[Danny]

Like, a couple of seasons. Yeah.

[Leah]

Same. Yeah.

[Nick]

So I guess my question to you.

[Leah]

About Stacy is she's only been on one other season. Yeah, she Came in as a friend of Karen.

[Nick]

So in her, in her stint so far, does she. And I know a lot of people like this. Right. Like, and Brittany. Brittany Mittman's very much like this. Britney won't come for you. Brittany just wants everyone to, like, like her. She doesn't want it. She doesn't come for people.

[Danny]

Unless you come for Lisa Barlow, apparently. Yeah, but, you know, there's a lot.

[Nick]

Of people who are just like, I won't talk about you because I don't want you to talk about. About me. And so is Stacy very much like that or is she coming for people often?

[Danny]

Yeah, I don't think she really, like, talks about people. It's more so like her own stuff that, like, when people ask her about it, it's like, it's very unclear and like.

[Nick]

Well, that's what I'm saying. Yeah, but like, that's. And so, like, like Britney, it's just like, maybe she has her stuff, but she doesn't want to, like, she doesn't want to talk about it and she doesn't want to have to always explain herself. And she's not acting like, like, Brittany Bateman doesn't like, people pick on her. She's an easy target. But I don't think Britney is going around offering, like, relationship advice and, and saying that I'm the standard of love and parenting and dating, and she's not going after her peers for their flaws. She's just like, be nice to me.

[Danny]

But Brittany also, like, puts everything on the table. You know what I mean? And it's very much like, okay, yeah, I haven't talked to my daugh this long and I choose Jared over my kids or whatever the fuck. Like, she's very like, this is the reason why I make the decisions that I make, or at least why I think it makes sense. Whereas, like, Stacy, it's like presenting as this fully put together person and there's too many holes and you can't.

[Zoe]

Come on.

[Leah]

House did her first. Literally her introduction is her saying that she, like, was separated and getting a divorce or something.

[Danny]

But to Carlos's point, you can't come on Housewives and try to, like, frame your narrative around the type of person you are. Because then the other housewives are also going to smell that out and be like, what about this and what about that? If you're 100 authentic or owning it, then we're. It's interesting to watch. But you can't even root for Stacy in this moment while she's literally being bullied by the rest of the cast. Because you're like, what am I defending? What do I know about you?

[Sierra]

Not to go back to Salt Lake City. But I can't. I can't not mention it. The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City did a Us Weekly cover that was referencing a very famous Desperate Housewives photo shoot. And, Sierra, I'm wondering your thoughts.

[Danny]

I mean, it's iconic.

[Sierra]

It's iconic.

[Danny]

It's iconic.

[Sierra]

And Lisa Barlow is in the space of Ms. Susan Meyer herself, Terry Hatcher.

[Danny]

And Meredith is Eva Longoria or Gabrielle Solis. Yeah. Heather is Nicolette Sheridan.

[Sierra]

Nicolette Sheridan. And then you have Whitney.

[Danny]

Was Lynette Scavo that, like, the mom of Five?

[Nick]

I didn't watch Desperate Hospital.

[Danny]

Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

It was after the one who Whitney was Felicity Huffman, which I'm like, I.

[Nick]

Think we need to switch for Eva and Terry. I didn't really know any of this.

[Danny]

Well, the best part of it all is that Mary Cosby is Brie Van. Is Brie Vanderkamp. And, like, all of the women are in kind of, like, bow cup, like, slit dresses. And then you've got Mary in, like, her conservative.

[Nick]

Like, she owns a church.

[Danny]

She does own a church.

[Sierra]

She does own a church.

[Danny]

And we will never see her cleavage.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yep.

[Sierra]

And I think the really funny part of it is if you know Desperate Housewives lore, you know that Teri Hatcher was always on the outs with the rest of the group, and they did not like her. And. But she, throughout the time was like, well, I'm the star of the show.

[Nick]

Because they're real and spectacular.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

And then so Lisa Barlow being Teri Hatch watcher really made me laugh.

[Leah]

Anyway, I guess to wrap housewife recaps, because this is something people are talking about. Do you give the gift back to someone you don't like? Because I feel like we learned our lesson with Beverly Hills and the Bunny.

[Nick]

If you want to shave.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick]

If you're.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Zoe]

If you want to have a fight.

[Danny]

I think it's petty.

[Leah]

Yeah.

[Danny]

But I also live for that level of petty, because I could never.

[Zoe]

How do you feel? How do you think Lisa feels knowing none of these women are drinking her tequila?

[Leah]

I think she'd been known.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Monogram bottles, even.

[Leah]

It's a pretty bottle.

[Danny]

That doesn't mean anything, but bless, you know, whatever time, we'll drink it. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

Well, I think that'll do it for this episode. Thank you for listening. Thank you. To our guest, Michelle Buto. Be sure to check out her shows. You can get tickets@michelle buteau.org Also, don't forget to check out the Going Deeper episode with Robert Irwin and his dancing partner with Whitney Carson. It is an episode you certainly do not want to miss. As well as Tuesday's rally recap. If you haven't checked it out already, it is a, it's a fun one. It's a, it's a wild ride. And if you feel like laughing, be sure to check it out. We got another jam packed wild and wacky week for you next week. Be sure to turn it in. Also. Also, don't forget Monday's episode of Ask Nick. This week, Dylan Efron dishing out summer relationship advice. Very nice, very sexy, very demure. Also, and don't forget, if you are interested in possibly being part of a secret Envy Media project, dating docu series and a chance at finding your love, click the link in bio and fill out answer our questions and who knows what could happen. All right, we'll see you back on Monday morning. Zoe Got donuts Jeff Bridges why are.

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