E1019 - Allison Williams Geeks Out On Reality TV, Love Is Blind, RHOM, RHOC & Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show

Summary

The Viall Files – Reality Recap: Allison Williams Geeks Out On Reality TV, Love Is Blind, RHOM, RHOC & Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show

Episode E1019 | October 21, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this Reality Recap edition, Nick Viall and his “Household” (Natalie Joy, Susie, Mary, Annie, Justin, and Katie) deliver robust commentary about pop culture happenings, reality TV mayhem, and relationship hot takes. This week’s special guest, actor and fellow reality TV obsessive Allison Williams, joins for a candid, hilarious deep-dive into everything from “The Bachelor” to Bravo dramas, parenting confessions, and her new film “Regretting You.” The episode is a lively mix of recaps, hot take voicemails, group debate, and a rare look at Allison Williams as a true pop culture superfan.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Holiday Vibes, Parenting, and Household Banter

• The Household opens with playful back-and-forth about holiday décor, Christmas lights, and Halloween costumes.
• Natalie reveals she hired professionals for the exterior Christmas lights, surprising Nick (08:21) and sparking a debate about when it’s appropriate to start decorating.
• Parenting struggles and funny anecdotes punctuate the segment:
  • Susie asks, “Do you get anxious when you suddenly aren’t busy?” (07:05)
  • Allison Williams and Natalie discuss the pressure to maximize toddler nap time and parental guilt over relaxing.
  • Elf on the Shelf segues to Nick’s skepticism about holiday traditions and a perfectly-timed “Ratatouille” reference:

    “I’m one of those people old enough I don’t remember my childhood. You know those Christmas movies where the humbug character, and then he flashes back to when he was a kid and had a heart? That’s me.” (10:17 – Nick)

  • The group reflects on the generational shift in holiday traditions and childhood nostalgia.

2. Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show – ‘The Lore is Gone’

• Panelists lament the loss of exclusivity and mystery in the revived Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show (14:27–18:44).
• Mary reminisces about the event’s unattainable “angel” mystique and notes its shift toward a revamp reminiscent of Savage Fenty’s model (15:31):

  “There was something about these elusive, gorgeous creatures… Now it feels like, ‘Here’s Gigi Hadid.’ The mystery's gone.” (17:23 – Mary)

• The group agrees the current pop culture climate makes “monoculture” moments rare, questioning whether exclusivity is even possible now.
• The conversation veers into influencer culture, body types in modeling (shout-out to Angel Reese), and the OG angels’ legacy.

3. Hot Take Hotline: Reality TV Gets Real

Voicemail hot takes spark lively debate:

• Love Is Blind: “Realistic” Because It Shows Politics?

  • Caller praises Love Is Blind for airing political conversations, declaring it more authentic than other dating shows (24:47).
  • Allison Williams: “Damn.”
  • Nick: “I just disagree that now, more than ever, you have to agree politically… The topics aren’t that different, but the toxicity online is what ruins discourse.” (25:29)
  • Annie: “It’s realistic... for the sake of reality TV, it’s interesting to watch how it plays out.” (29:04)
  • Mary: “Comparing Love is Blind and Love Island is apples and oranges.” (29:36)

• RHOBH Needs a New Cast?

  • Caller: “The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills needs a brand new cast. The only one I like is Kathy Hilton.” (30:08)
  • Nick: “Total reboot doesn’t work. People are too lazy to get to know the whole new cast. You always need a balance.” (31:23)
  • Mary: “They put up boundaries—now they control what we see. We need authenticity; it’s getting old.” (32:58)
  • Annie: “Bring back Lisa Rinna! Need more toxicity, need some shaking up.” (34:01)

• RHOM & RHOC: Gertie and Gretchen Called Out

  • Caller: Gertie is “losing her mind” and Gretchen is “the problem” on OC (34:51)
  • Natalie: “I definitely agree with the Orange County hot take. Gretchen is 100% the problem.” (35:55)
  • Nick: “I have respect for the Tamras of the world, but I like a Gretchen—she’s messy, not calculating.” (36:10)
  • Justin: “On Gertie, the reason people don’t like her is she’s too good a person for housewives TV.” (38:53)
  • Nick: “To be the best housewife you need to be a little narcissistic, self-centered. Gertie’s a great person, which is the antithesis.” (38:28)

4. Housewives Rapid Recaps

Miami, OC, and Salt Lake City get the panel’s signature fast-paced, punchline-laden recaps:

• RHOM (40:03):
  • Kiki’s celibacy and oyster allergy sends the group into hysterics.
  • Marisol’s feud over “old lady knees,” and Alexia/Marisol’s “twin” status.
  • Adriana’s messy energy called out (41:02)
  • Julia’s claim of PTSD from the show is met with both sympathy and “that’s just being with women!” jokes.
  • “Saving the worst for last” – consensus is the reunion part 3 was a letdown.
• RHOC (45:08):
  • Shannon’s “engagement lunch,” Jen’s vagina “reconstruction,” and a weed-themed girls’ trip discussed with irreverence.
  • Group votes “Devil’s lettuce” as their favorite weed slang.
• General Housewives–Salt Lake City Love:
  • Nick: “OC and Miami reminded me why I love Salt Lake so much.” (47:04)
  • Annie: “Sometimes it’s nice to see people just chilling—like older housewives seasons.” (47:20)

5. Love Is Blind: Breakups and Catfishers

• Joe and Madison’s painful breakup is dissected; the group analyzes emotional avoidance and “falling for someone who’s not that into you” (49:01):
  • Nick: “Know when they hate you. That was tough to watch.” (49:03)
  • Annie: “If I was on Love is Blind, I’d be Joe. Not about being phobic, but like, ‘I’m not getting married.’” (50:13)
  • Natalie: “It was so obvious to us—was it this obvious to her?” (52:34)
  • Nick theorizes: “Love is Blind has the most toxic fanbase… catfishers love this show and ride for anyone overselling their looks.” (50:55)
• Other couples’ awkward communication and “broken” sex lives are debated.

6. ALLISON WILLIAMS INTERVIEW: The Superfan Revealed

[Starts 63:13]

Early Bachelor Fandom & Pop Culture Geek-Out

• Allison Williams confesses her “True Blue Bachelor” status, tracing her first season back to Brad Womack (63:47).
• Admits to writing a “Hamlet essay” about Brad for her Bachelor viewing group (64:22).
• On recent Bachelor franchise:
  “I was happy to see aspirational qualities… It was getting so mean, I wondered why anyone would go.” (65:20)

Her Reality TV Watchlist & Analysis

• "Salt Lake is some of the best TV of all time—Breaking Bad, RHOSLC, Mad Men, The Wire." (87:42)
• Details a late-life Bravo binge: started with Salt Lake City, then studied Jax Taylor (“the Valley”), binge-watched “Vanderpump,” and is currently binging classic RHONY as instructed by Andy Cohen (88:55–89:14).
  • “I text with Meredith now. Andy just gets more famous to me every day.” (86:44–87:44)
  • Remarks on the “monoculture” moments, Scandoval, and her fascination with archetypal reality ‘villains.’

Parenting, Kids, and Balancing Boundaries

• Shares candid stories about raising her son, Arlo (74:04 onward).
  • Discusses teaching consent, not projecting her own anxieties, and how kids’ hurt affects parents (“Have you ever noticed how often you say ‘be careful’?” 77:30)
  • “He’ll say, ‘How do you know I’m tired, Mama? You’re not in my body. I’m the boss of my body.’ I’m like, oh my god, damn, this is starting so early!” (75:56 – Allison Williams)
  • On kids’ communication: “Record her talking constantly… they are so chatty during a diaper change.” (81:16)
  • Parenting confessions from all spark genuine, funny exchanges and empathy for toddler (and teen) challenges.

Allison on Her New Film “Regretting You”

• She describes her marriage to Scott Eastwood in the movie as a “curiosity between the two of us... he delivers the Scott Eastwood promise” (71:14).
  • Nick: “I think maybe one of the best compliments a man could get is the curiosity about your smell.” (71:46)
  • Shares behind-the-scenes Taylor Swift “Wildest Dreams” video revelations.
  • About “Regretting You”:
    “It’s a sleepover movie you want to see in a theater… a movie you’d watch back in the day.” (73:15)
  • Talks about role-playing a “teen mom” and the differences in mother/daughter relationships.

Reality TV, Would She Ever Compete?

• On whether she’d ever do shows like Traitors:
  “I hope they never cast actors. We’d ruin it, we’d be too publicisty… Reality TV people know how to create storylines. I do everything to avoid a headline!” (90:24)
  • Names Mary Cosby as her all-star for Traitors: “She already dresses like she’s filming The Traitors, so Scotland-coded.” (91:40)

Memorable Moments & Quotes

• “Salt Lake is some of the best television of all time. Breaking Bad, RHOSLC, Mad Men, The Wire.” (87:42 – Allison Williams)
• (On Bachelor casting) “Release a list of 50 potential contestants months early, let the Internet do background checks.” (68:22 – Allison Williams)
• (On parenting) “He doesn’t like the sensation of crying. I wonder if I did too, and now I’m just used to it.” (79:27 – Allison Williams)
• (On Scott Eastwood) “Other men are the ones who ask what he smells like. It’s a pheromone thing.” (71:55 – Allison Williams)

Lighter Side: Games and Rapid Fire

• Hilarious “Who would win in a fight, Megan or Angie Katanevas?” question—Allison deliberates over reality villain matchups. (95:46)
• The group discusses TikTok dance skills, Allison admitting she will never be “casually cool” on the dance floor.

7. Pop Culture, Golden Bachelor & Beyond

• The group weighs in on the Golden Bachelor:
  • “He said he likes 40-year-olds, but did anyone ask if they’re into you?” (84:04 – Allison Williams)
• Susie shares her experience brunching with the “Golden women,” including a classic “in the butt” sexual encounter reveal by contestant Kathy (85:20).

8. Closing & Final Reflections

• Allison Williams wraps with appreciation for the show and the invitation to return (“Maybe can I invite myself back?” 97:07).
• The Household ends in awe at Williams’ down-to-earth nature and superfan enthusiasm.
• Nick closes with plugs for her film, "Regretting You," and teases future podcast episodes.

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Notable Quotes

“The thing about Victoria’s Secret Angels that was so amazing was you never really heard them talk…they had this mystery. Now it’s like, ‘Oh, there’s Gigi Hadid.’”
— Mary (17:23)

“To be a great Housewife, you have to be a self-centered egomaniac, a little narcissistic. That's hard for someone like Gertie because she's at her core a great person.”
— Nick (38:28)

"Salt Lake is some of the best TV of all time—Breaking Bad, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Mad Men, The Wire."
— Allison Williams (87:42)

“I hope they never cast actors [on Traitors]—we’re not ready, we’d ruin it. Reality TV people know how to create storylines, I do everything to avoid a headline!”
— Allison Williams (90:24)

“I think maybe one of the best compliments a man could get is curiosity about your smell.”
— Nick (71:46)

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Key Timestamps

• Holiday banter & parenting: 05:00–15:00
• Victoria’s Secret Show recap: 14:27–18:44
• Hot Take Hotline (Love Is Blind, RHOBH, etc): 23:31–34:51
• Housewives recaps: 40:03–47:04
• Love Is Blind relationship breakdowns: 49:01–54:00
• Allison Williams joins (intro): 63:13
  • Bachelor fandom: 63:44–66:48
  • Thoughts on current franchise casting: 66:50–69:43
  • Parenting talk: 74:04–83:03
  • Movie "Regretting You": 70:56–73:45
  • On reality TV strategy: 90:24–91:40
• Golden Bachelor, Reality TV gossip: 83:41–86:20
• Bravo binging, Salt Lake City, classic reality: 86:23–90:13
• Games, Dancing With the Stars: 95:46–96:50
• Allison's closing send-off: 97:08–98:11

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Summary for New Listeners

This episode is a must-listen for anyone who loves reality TV, pop culture hot takes, and hearing celebrities as true fans. With an energetic blend of recaps, group chemistry, and Allison Williams’ candid confessions, you get insight into the world behind “The Bachelor,” Bravo franchises, and more. The playful parenting stories and open debates balance the pop culture frenzy, with Allison holding her own as a superfan among superfans. Her breakdowns of reality TV strategy, observations on casting, and even her take on Scott Eastwood’s “smell” show a side you may never have seen.

Whether you’re here for dating advice, TV gossip, or a dose of relatable parenting humor—the Reality Recap is as hot, sharp, and entertaining as ever.

Transcript

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[Susie]

I feel like Nick gets stage fright when it comes to that moment. He's like anticipating like what the words are gonna be.

[Natalie]

It's like when he doesn't know how to pronounce someone's name and he's like, welcome to the show.

[Justin]

Hey you.

[Annie]

Hey, best buddy.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I'm his hey buddy.

[Nick]

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[Justin]

Yeah. Lincoln Bio.

[Nick]

And fill out our casting call and we will be potentially in touch. We're also looking for the men. So if ladies, if you have a friend or a brother or someone you want to nominate, fill out the casting application for them or at least make sure they know that you are signing them up. We got a great episode lined up for you to get a great week. Allison Williams is here later this episode to promote her new movie. Regretting you. Another Colleen Hoover banger.

[Natalie]

Feel like Colleen Hoover is the Nicholas Sparks of our generation.

[Susie]

That's so real.

[Annie]

The John Green, if you will.

[Natalie]

No, the Nicholas Sparks.

[Annie]

Okay.

[Nick]

Who's John Green?

[Annie]

Who's John Green?

[Natalie]

Fault in our Stars, Paper Towns.

[Susie]

I think I missed that era. Sparks. Nicholas Sparks.

[Nick]

Well, Allison Williams is obviously famously known for her appearance in Girls Megan on hbo, the Megan movies.

[Natalie]

Huge Megan guy right here.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Huge girls fan here.

[Nick]

Yeah. She's also a bit of a reality TV fan. I met Allison Williams when I was first, like a month into la at like a bachelor viewing party. It was Pen Higgins season.

[Mary]

Oh, nice.

[Nick]

Anyway, she's watching some reality tv, so I'm sure we'll talk about that with her as well when I'm, you know, Salt Lake. I know she's into Salt Lake City. You don't know, Maybe she's also into Love is Blind. We'll find out when she's here. Oh, my God.

[Annie]

It's so. It's always so exciting to find out.

[Nick]

We also have an amazing Going Deeper episode lined up for you. Brooke Schofield is with us this Wednesday for a definitely deep dive into her life. She has an interesting past and we were looking forward to talking to her. Famously from the canceled podcast with Tana Mongeau, which is canceled. They canceled it. They canceled.

[Annie]

Canceled.

[Nick]

They have a very interesting relationship with the Internet. So it's a very fascinating discussion with Brooke and she is with us tomorrow for Going Deeper. You will not want to miss.

[Annie]

What did you guys do this weekend?

[Natalie]

Oh, my gosh, Mary. We put up Our Christmas tree, of course.

[Mary]

Oh, you're early.

[Natalie]

Well, some could say. Or some could say right on time. Right on time. Thank you.

[Susie]

Yes.

[Nick]

You know, we do a bit of traveling. We're busy bees.

[Mary]

And you don't like Halloween?

[Susie]

Are you skipping Halloween decor?

[Natalie]

No. What? No, I've had Halloween.

[Nick]

We won't be here for Halloween, okay?

[Natalie]

We've had Halloween decor up until now. So we've had some jack O lanterns and some skeletons. You know, all the cutesy little things. And River, I got her the most boring costume.

[Susie]

Do we know what it is?

[Natalie]

But I did ask her. I said, what is this? And I showed it to her and she said, meow, meow. So at least she knows what it is.

[Mary]

Perfect.

[Susie]

She's in character.

[Natalie]

She can tell me what she wants because I'm exhausted.

[Mary]

What are you guys going to be?

[Natalie]

I'm going as.

[Susie]

Oh, Nick, it sounds like you might be going at something.

[Natalie]

Nick's going as the Scratch pose.

[Mary]

Yes. Okay.

[Annie]

Incredible.

[Katie]

Incredible.

[Natalie]

The hot owner of the Cat in the Scratch.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Allison Williams]

That's perfect. That's perfect.

[Nick]

I want to be the hot owner.

[Natalie]

Sorry, you can't. You're tall and you're a scratch post.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

There was a comment saying that one of you guys should dress up as a litter box.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Susie]

Oh, my gosh.

[Natalie]

Perfect.

[Nick]

Well, I get shit on all the time, so.

[Annie]

I feel like. I feel like Thanksgiving is the appropriate time to start putting up Christmas decorations, in my opinion.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Natalie]

Usually we do wait until November 1st to put up our Christmas tree, but like Nick said, we're busy bees. And we were like, oh, the next time that we're home, we want. We don't want to, like, put up our Christmas tree. Then we just want to walk in and be like, oh, Christmas. We also just, like, needed to feel something this weekend.

[Nick]

Now I become, like, me. We're so busy every day, but then we have, like, a Saturday. Nothing to do.

[Annie]

That's awesome.

[Nick]

Well, that's what I would think. But It'll be like 10:30. And I was like, what should we do today? What do you want to do? Where should we go? Where should we shop? What should we do? I'm like, nothing. Yeah, you should do absolutely nothing. Then I'll be like, 11:45. What should we do? Where should we have lunch? Where should we go? Should we explore?

[Allison Williams]

I'm not sure.

[Susie]

Do you feel like you get anxious if you like, because you're so busy, and then when you're suddenly not busy, you're like, oh, my gosh. Like, this feels wrong. Yeah, that's how I feel. It's like I'm constantly overloaded and then the second I get a break I'm like, oh God. Like I'm such a loser. Like what is, what am I doing with my life?

[Natalie]

I'm like, or I should be like organizing and cleaning out every drawer. Like I should just be doing something and. And then it's like I feel also feel that way when river naps because I'm like we've moved on to one nap a day and I feel like I have two hours where it's like I can get stuff done, everything done. But then also those two hours I'm like, oh my God.

[Allison Williams]

Woo.

[Natalie]

It would feel nice to just sit.

[Susie]

I think you should just sit.

[Natalie]

And then I, I sit for like 30 minutes. Then I'm like, oh my God, she's about to wa up and I have so much to do.

[Mary]

I just can't relate.

[Annie]

Yeah, I can't relate either.

[Mary]

Any day that I get that I can lay in bed all day and watch my shows, we'll be doing that. Phone is on. Do not disturb. Do not talk to me. Don't want to hear from you.

[Annie]

Bedrock days are good for your mental health as long as they're not all the time.

[Mary]

Thank you.

[Justin]

What's the aesthetic of the tree this year?

[Nick]

You know, I order the same as it every year.

[Susie]

Is it different color lights or is it takes?

[Natalie]

No, I didn't tell Nick this.

[Susie]

Oh, breaking news.

[Natalie]

I hired a company to look at the outside of our house with Christmas light.

[Nick]

No you didn't.

[Natalie]

Yes I did.

[Susie]

Wait, really?

[Mary]

Yes I did. Because you. Yes I did.

[Natalie]

You won't do it.

[Allison Williams]

Cute.

[Natalie]

Because I was like, you know what? We need the Christmas spirit outside of our house and Nick's just too lazy to do it.

[Justin]

You know I agree though.

[Natalie]

He doesn't feel like climbing up on the roof.

[Justin]

Christmas lights is a hazard cause that's the one where you fall off and break a neck. So hire someone to do that.

[Nick]

How much does that cost?

[Mary]

Don't worry about it.

[Nick]

I mean that's a good business model.

[Annie]

Putting up someone's Christmas lights, someone to.

[Nick]

Do your Christmas decorations.

[Annie]

I, I do think even better way for that to go would be you put up someone's Christmas lights and then you also like ask your like 10 year old like can you wrap these cords and just make them stand out there so they still get that experience.

[Susie]

The experience.

[Annie]

Cuz that was very, that was very building for me as a child.

[Natalie]

My, we never did the outside of our House for Christmas. And I think it was probably because my mom's a single mom and she was like, I don't. You know, I can't climb up that house.

[Mary]

It's.

[Natalie]

Sorry, kids.

[Nick]

Like, what. What do you. Is there like a menu of options? Like, tasteful, elegant, or like.

[Natalie]

Yeah, you can do like, colored light? Yeah, you could do colored or just white light.

[Nick]

And we went white. There won't be like a giant candy cane in our front lawn. Will there be.

[Natalie]

No, no, no, no. Just the light.

[Susie]

Blow up cartoons.

[Mary]

I do.

[Nick]

Are we gonna go Christian? Are we gonna go.

[Justin]

Oh, good point.

[Nick]

Are we.

[Justin]

Are we gonna go the nativity scene or winter wonderland?

[Nick]

Yeah. Are we gonna go like, what's baby.

[Annie]

Jesus holding a menorah?

[Nick]

Old Saint Nick wish people winter wishes.

[Natalie]

Happy holidays, Merry Christmas.

[Nick]

I used to work for a company that one. One season it was winter wishes. I'm like, we can't even say it's a holiday now. Celebrating cold winter wishes, Snowy dreams. Snowy dreams.

[Natalie]

You know what we get to do this year, though?

[Nick]

Tell me.

[Natalie]

Elf on the shelf.

[Susie]

Oh, cute.

[Justin]

You better.

[Nick]

I'm one of those. I'm one of those people who's old enough for, like, I don't remember my childhood. You know those, like, Christmas movies where like the. The humbug character is this, like, hates the holidays. And then like, there's a memory of like, something happens and it flashes back to when he was a kid and he had a heart. That's me.

[Annie]

You're like, you know who you remind me of? You remind me of the critic. The food critic in Ratatouille. You know, where it's like, he's evil.

[Natalie]

He's evil.

[Annie]

And then he's.

[Mary]

He sits there and he eats the.

[Annie]

Ratatouille and it brings him back. He's like, wait, I love all of these rats around me.

[Mary]

And I love food. Yeah.

[Susie]

And I love you.

[Annie]

And so you eat the ratatouille, Right?

[Natalie]

He eats the ratatouille.

[Nick]

Uh huh.

[Annie]

It shows your humanity.

[Susie]

I feel like Elf on the Shelf will bring that out. You know, once I know you don't know what it is right now in this moment, but once you see it.

[Natalie]

Do we think Nick will be, like, doing it?

[Mary]

I could foresee Nick getting very stressed with this. It's like, what do you mean? Every day we have to do a new thing and put it in a new place. And it needs to be like, swinging.

[Justin]

From it is a commitment.

[Natalie]

You're just making a mess. Nabilie, come on, we have to.

[Nick]

What?

[Mary]

So Elf on The shelf. Every day you have to move the elf to a new location.

[Justin]

And it's like before the child gets up.

[Annie]

No, the elf moves itself.

[Mary]

Right, sorry. For children that are listening. Turn this off.

[Natalie]

It's watching the kid to report back to Santa Claus if they were.

[Nick]

So we're inviting a stranger into our house?

[Allison Williams]

Not a stranger.

[Natalie]

It's part of your family.

[Susie]

Don't traumatize River. I'm just saying.

[Mary]

That's true.

[Natalie]

But just make sure that you let river name Natalie.

[Justin]

I have the dvd. I can let Nick watch the movie.

[Allison Williams]

It explains, right?

[Natalie]

I don't know if we have a dvd.

[Mary]

What Nick is doing right now is the equivalent of how you rewrite the synopsis of like a Disney movie like Pixar where it's like Finding Nemo and it's like somebody escaped from a mental hospital and is trying to help them find their son. Like it's like that's Nick's being like, what do you mean we're inviting a stranger to our house?

[Annie]

For elf on the show, you're like Santa actually. Low key, problematic.

[Mary]

20 mini chimney.

[Katie]

A man.

[Nick]

I bet she didn't wake up. Turn on this episode and expect an entire segment about Christmas.

[Susie]

We're just excited.

[Nick]

What are you going as? Do you dress up for Halloween?

[Susie]

I am, but I don't. It's like all basic. I just like ordered some like vampire stuff and like just some like push up bras, you know.

[Mary]

Halloween.

[Natalie]

Fake teeth and push ups. Yeah, exactly.

[Mary]

A little bit of blood, duh.

[Nick]

Are you.

[Mary]

No. I picked Connor up from the airport yesterday. Yes, we still do that. That's my sense of having a healthy relationship.

[Susie]

And then he goes lax.

[Mary]

Yep, yep.

[Susie]

That's love.

[Mary]

Because he changed his flight to come home early just because he missed me. So he came home early.

[Nick]

Where is he flying from?

[Mary]

Houston. Three and a half hours. It's a stop. It was a stop in between. So for a direct flight last minute. I said, you know what? You came to see me, I will come get you. And I was so mad because they've closed down the 405. I don't know if you know, it's a nightmare. He asked me what I. What we're being for Halloween. What we're. What we're being for Halloween. And I said, I don't know, but I'm sure I'll pull something together. And that's what we're going with right now. So no idea.

[Allison Williams]

You don't know yet?

[Nick]

Yes.

[Annie]

I am going to slut myself out as Lisa Rinna.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Annie]

And my. My best friend is going to be Harry Ham.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

It's landing better than your Brosnan boys.

[Annie]

The da Vinci twins. It's the thing of, like, I was like, okay, I do. I was goofy last year because me and my same best friend shout out Audra went as Nyad from the movie Nyad. And that was so stupid. It was just, like, really dumb and gay, but no one got it. I will be going as Lisa Rinna, and I will be overdrawing my lips and I will be, like, full. I just need to get like, like, spray paint, brown spray paint for my hair that won't, like, mess it up. But I basically do have the Rena haircut if I just, like, give myself a blowout.

[Nick]

Are you a Halloween fan, Justin?

[Justin]

I am this year. Not really, though. I want to chill and just watch movies. But I will be dressing up as what? Challengers?

[Annie]

Oh, hell yeah.

[Natalie]

Which player?

[Justin]

Yeah, with Max. So the two. The churro scene.

[Nick]

Who's she's gonna be?

[Natalie]

Zendaya.

[Nick]

Yeah, who's Zendaya?

[Justin]

We don't have a Zendaya.

[Mary]

You're looking for Zendaya volunteers tribute.

[Nick]

You're just foregoing the Zendaya.

[Justin]

Some would say Zendaya was irrelevant to the plot.

[Natalie]

I will say she wasn't. I was not excited.

[Mary]

A Halloween costume I always wanted to do but just never had the balls to because it's so cold during Halloween would be a Victoria's Secret angel. And they did bring back the Victoria's Secret fashion show.

[Natalie]

I remember when the Kardashians did that a few years ago. They were all angels. Yes, that was iconic. But Kendall was not walking this year. Did you notice?

[Mary]

Yes.

[Justin]

I wonder why she didn't walk last year either. I don't think. Did she?

[Mary]

Yeah. And Bella Hadid resurfaced after Yolanda's post looking better than ever. I literally go and, like, pause the screen.

[Justin]

That was my first thought.

[Mary]

She's glowing.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Annie]

I didn't watch it, but I was really excited because I saw photos of Angel Reese and I just. It makes me really, really excited that a WNBA player can be, like, a hot model.

[Mary]

Hell, yeah.

[Annie]

And because I'm like. I think so often they're, like, masculinized because they play basketball. And then these girls, like, their physiques are incredible. They're built like models.

[Mary]

Body fat.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Annie]

Muscular. And Angel Ree's, like, bodied. And she looks so good, honestly.

[Susie]

She bodies on the court, too, though, with those lashes. Like, every time I see her, I'm.

[Allison Williams]

Like, There she is.

[Susie]

She's always giving glam on the court.

[Annie]

She is.

[Mary]

I grew up watching the Victoria's Secret Fashion show, like, putting on the pajamas. We would put parties together.

[Nick]

It was unobtainable.

[Mary]

Yes. And there was something about, like, these elusive, gorgeous creatures that because I feel like tourist, you could put a lot of money behind the angels. Right? So it was like when you were like, 14, 15, you're like, maybe one day I'll grow up and add to. Will be an angel.

[Nick]

Well, because now that everyone influencers, that's like the. And I get it because from a marketing standpoint, you know, everyone's online, you.

[Mary]

Know, but the thing about, like, Victoria Secret Angels that was so, like, amazing was the fact that you never really heard them talk throughout the year. They had other campaigns, but throughout the year, you'd see these commercials, things blowing up, wings going in the wind, hair, the blowouts, the whole. The abs, and you're like, wow. And then at the Victoria's Secret Fashion show, you get a little in between segment, and they'd like, maybe pop a joke. Here's my workout. Here's my whatever. How to be an empowered woman. And it was, like, amazing. It was like, oh, my God, this elusive creature has a voice. And maybe one day I'll hear her talk more. Like, I don't know. I'll wait till next year. Like, it was like, I'm gonna work out. I'm gonna get myself together. And it was always right around Christmas, too. So it was like the gift that keeps on giving. This year, it felt kind of like they were trying to copy this. The Savage Fenty shows. It wasn't like these. There was no in between segments. It was just like a concert. Some of these performers were singing four and five songs. And, like, I wasn't really focused on any of the models. And they brought back the original models. Adriana Lima, Alessandra Ambrasio.

[Natalie]

Miranda Kerr was not there, was she not? Which I found interesting.

[Mary]

There was a couple that were missing, but for the most part, there was a lot of them there. And I was just like, this isn't giving epic.

[Justin]

They had some iconic models from, like, this era, though. Like, Alex Khonsani was out there, like, a ton of really big people, but.

[Mary]

It'S like, I feel like none of them, like, have their moment because they're not actual Victoria's Secret angels. They're just, like models walking in a. Which, like, that was the whole thing about Victoria's Secret. It's like you wanted to be a part of this franchise so badly, it was exclusive.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Susie]

I was gonna say they kept the mystery alive by keeping it, like, exclusive and probably not sharing too much where now it's like, oh, when you get to know people, you're kind of like, oh, like, everyone is literally flawed.

[Mary]

Or you're just like, oh, there's Gigi Hadid.

[Nick]

We want exclusive.

[Allison Williams]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Like, and that's.

[Nick]

We want to be not invited so that we can wanna go and finding.

[Mary]

Out that, like, you had to know somebody to get invited. Like, it was just like, oh, my God, maybe one day. And then they canceled it. And I was like, oh, no.

[Nick]

The moment you're like, this is everybody. People are like, well, I'm busy.

[Natalie]

Remember when the Weeknd performed and it was like, two weeks after him and Bella Hadid broke up, and she, like, was walking past and they, like, touched each other, and it was, like, so drama. Like, oh, my God, you know, he is rugged.

[Annie]

Pop culture used to exist.

[Mary]

Yes. It was the year Justin Bieber performed. And it was like, the scandal with Barbara Palvin and, like, Ariana Grande getting almost taken out by a Victoria's Secret angel's wing. There's just, like, iconic moments.

[Annie]

Okay, here's my question. Is it the fault of the Victoria's Secret fashion show for not doing this, or just the, like, the fault of there being a lack of, like, monoculture and pop culture in these big moments in general across media?

[Susie]

That's a really good point. I think it is really hard to have that exclusivity and the, like, the mystery still alive. I don't know that they have a choice but to, like, be what they are today. But I just don't know that it has the same lore that it used to.

[Justin]

Well, it doesn't have as much money as it used to either. Right. Because wasn't there, like, the, like, $10,000 bra or something?

[Mary]

The models used to get the fantasy.

[Justin]

Like, is that a thing now? I don't think it is. Yeah.

[Mary]

Because that's the thing where I'm like, they just put so much money behind these people that you constantly see them. You associated Alessandra Ambrosia with Victoria's Secret. Now it's like, okay, you walk in and it's Hailey Bieber, which, like, great. But it's like, she's not sequestered to this franchise.

[Justin]

You know what it is where there's, like, campaign models and then there's, like, Runway models.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Justin]

And it kind of. They took Runway models, but it felt campaign.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Mary]

But it was, like, an exclusive club that, like, nobody could get into that. It was like, maybe if I, like, work out every single day, someday I could. But no, because it was unattainable, and that was like, what was so cool about it? I don't know.

[Natalie]

I agree.

[Annie]

Do you guys think that Kim Kardashian should have been at the Victoria's Secret Fashion show with, like, her full face mask?

[Justin]

She's outgrown it.

[Annie]

You think so?

[Natalie]

Honestly, I love that she does this because it just shows how iconic she really is and that she can literally have her. She did this at the Met gala a few years ago. Like, she can go completely covered, and everyone knows exactly who it is.

[Allison Williams]

It was like Scarecrow.

[Nick]

They know it is because they're like, this is Kim Kardashian. She's getting announced.

[Annie]

Oh, true, true, true.

[Mary]

Like, what if it wasn't Kim Kardashian?

[Justin]

She's being announced by the people there. But not.

[Nick]

We've all seen this.

[Annie]

It's not like they're from some kind.

[Nick]

Of Instagram or headline.

[Natalie]

No, Kim Kardashian. They're not holding.

[Nick]

You're like, oh, my God. I totally would have known.

[Natalie]

On the red carpet, that person is not holding a sign that says Kim Kardashian when she walks. You know they're not.

[Nick]

When you do a red carpet, it literally. Do literally write your name.

[Natalie]

They don't do that for Kim Kardashian. Or Taylor Swift are the big stars. They're not writing those names down. No, they don't.

[Annie]

If you're walking in a red carpet and you see someone in a full face mask, I'm going to guess it's two people. Kim Kardashian, Meredith Marks, and Meredith Marks.

[Nick]

Or Kanye West.

[Annie]

I guess he's not really going to Red Carpenter anymore.

[Mary]

Yeah, he did for a long period of time, actually.

[Nick]

So he's. She's just copying Kanye. I don't know.

[Mary]

I mean, he Address her.

[Susie]

Some people are saying they think it's because she got a facelift.

[Justin]

No, because she showed a video of her face before. Yeah, I saw the video.

[Mary]

Wait, how are we not talking about this? She was asked about her viral pube thong.

[Allison Williams]

Oh, my God.

[Mary]

That filter in every color. Please pull this up in case Nick hasn't seen this.

[Annie]

It's crazy.

[Susie]

Please tell me you haven't.

[Nick]

I haven't.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Allison Williams]

This is a treat.

[Mary]

Have you seen this? Of course. I was like, how could you not?

[Annie]

My thing is just like, you know what's cheaper? Growing out your books.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mary]

It's just like one of those Things where I'm like, you just have to.

[Nick]

This is underwear.

[Mary]

Yes. This is underwear that people are buying. It's a thong.

[Natalie]

I was ahead of the curve.

[Susie]

Did you get.

[Natalie]

Remember the Bush conversation? She listened to this episode and she was like, iconic. I'm gonna make a thong.

[Nick]

I mean, that I respect about her. That just shows her power. She's just fucking with people.

[Mary]

Yeah. She's like.

[Nick]

She's like, I'm gonna make something that's stupid and no one's gonna want to buy, and I'm gonna get them to buy it.

[Mary]

And it's. Not only is it sold out, but she was like, oh, there she was asked about it. She was like, oh. We didn't know that it would be such a big deal. We were just, like, laughing about it back there. I was like, how would you not know that this was gonna go viral?

[Natalie]

My culture is not your costume. Kim. Do not. She did this with the nipple piercings, too.

[Justin]

The nipple one made sense, though, because the nipple people that, like, had augmentations or reductions and, like, didn't have it.

[Natalie]

Was a nipple piercing.

[Mary]

And they said, this one helps for people with alopecia. So there is a.

[Nick]

There's a curse.

[Natalie]

Could you imagine, like, pulling down your pants, being like, oh. And then you're like, just kidding.

[Nick]

Just kidding.

[Mary]

I feel like this is also one of those things why it's so important to pay attention to, like, what beauty standards are and making choices for yourself. Because I'm like, if you went and got lasered and then you're sad because you can't grow it back that you're buying a $60 thong, then don't buy into beauty standards. No, it does, but I'm happy.

[Natalie]

It's when you're. I mean, it's like, depends on your hormones. Like, as soon as I got pregnant.

[Mary]

There we go.

[Natalie]

My hair was like, you said next.

[Susie]

Hey, girl.

[Mary]

Hey, girl.

[Natalie]

I'm back.

[Mary]

It's like, it's. It grows back.

[Susie]

Can confirm.

[Natalie]

I paid for that and it's a waste.

[Nick]

Well, that's enough of opinions from us. Now it's time to hear from you, because it is time for the Mint Mobile hot take hotline, where we get to hear your scorching hot takes. Since this episode is sponsored by Mint Mobile, we want to again shout out their deal for everyone heartbroken by their current wireless carrier breakup with your old wireless bill and join Mint Mobile, get this new customer offer and your 3 month unlimited wireless plan for just 15 bucks a month at mintmobile.comv I A L L that is mintmobile.comv I A l L like what you hear. You want to give us a take of your own? Give us your hot takes, thoughts and theories, and we'll read and react to the best ones on an upcoming reality recap episode. All you have to do is call 1-855-MINT TL prefer the numbers that's 855-64-6-8855 and leave us a voicemail. Again. Just call 855-MINT TLK or 855-646-8855 and leave us a message. And we got some doozies today. Kicking off. We got a Love is Blind. Oh, hot take.

[Allison Williams]

Ooh, cuz I got a couple of those too.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah.

[Natalie]

Well, Nick said enough ears literally said.

[Nick]

We don't want to hear from you for now. I just want to give the people caught astray there.

[Katie]

Hey, Nick. In the household, I have a pretty scorching. You might not even want to air it. But I think the only reality TV dating show out there right now that's realistic is Love is Blind. And my reasoning for that is that Love is Blind is the only reality dating TV show to date that I'm aware of that has acknowledged politics. And I know you don't like talking about politics, but in my opinion, political compatibility is vital for relationships exists now more than ever. It used to not so much be a thing, but now it just is, whether we like to acknowledge it or not. And other shows like the Bachelor and like Love is Love island, you don't see it being acknowledged. And it's like the networks are too scared to go there out of fear of it being too controversial. But I really respect the hell out of the Love is Blind network for going there because those are real, actual conversations that are going to be had in a successful, fierce relationship. Let me know your thoughts.

[Nick]

Interesting take.

[Allison Williams]

Damn.

[Natalie]

I feel like it's more. It's less about Bachelor being afraid and more about the contestants being afraid. It's like we heard a little snippet of how Nick and Annie may or may not feel whether there was editing there or not.

[Susie]

And like, yeah, I don't disagree with this take. I think I like that they kept it in. It felt same like it really showed some insight. I do agree. I think people are scared to talk about politics on the show. I definitely wouldn't bring it up on the Bachelor. I don't think I would lead with that. But if I were to get into a relationship with somebody, it's definitely a conversation. I'm Having, So I don't disagree with her take.

[Nick]

I think it's interesting to have it on the show. I guess I just disagree with the sentiment that now more than ever, you have to be able to do it in order to have a successful relationship. Like. Like, if you know me with my friends or people around in my circle, I enjoy having these types of conversations with people because I have them with people where we can actually disagree on things and discuss them and, like, have a good time afterwards. Like, even on topics where you're just like, whoa, I'm a little. Okay, I feel passionately about that. But now I just think, like, the caller sentiment was like, it didn't used to be this way. Like, the topics we're arguing about in politics are no different than the topic people were arguing about 30 or 40, 40 years ago. So I think it's interesting to have these conversations. I just don't like the toxicity that often follows it when it comes to the fan base. Because I think on at least the people online, I think human to human, if you're in a safe space with friends, you could have a conversation and say, I feel this way. And even with someone that says, well, not only do I not feel that way, like, here's why, like, honestly, like, why your opinion or feelings hurt my feelings, right? But like, online people aren't incapable of having that type of discourse.

[Natalie]

There's also just like, no winning, I think, you know, I think like, when you're doing it with someone not on a national TV show, there is at, you know, to Nick's point to be like, oh, you know, I don't agree with that, but this is how I think. And blah, blah, blah, blah. If you do it on a national TV show, someone's gonna disagree with you and you will get like, hounded in your comments, in your DMZ scares people to the point where it's like, they don't want to talk to you.

[Nick]

To that point, I don't think it's right fight to put reality TV people on, knowing that some of this stuff is edited, nuance is taken out. Not to say that some people might just say things that a lot of people think are wrong. But no, I don't think the online bullying, harassing, and just the attempt at literally taking people down, and ultimately it results in death threats and things like that. I do think we have to protect the people on these shows because again, like what Annie said, the season was very offensive to a lot of people. People. But like, most people online aren't saying hey, Annie, I'd like, if you ever had a moment, I'd love to, like, take some time to have a conversation with, like, why that was, like, hurtful to, like, people in my family. And if you're open to listening, I'd love to have that type of conversation. It's not what people are saying, you know, and it's not. It's. It's not trying to get people connected or on the same page. It just becomes a divisive thing. And then you have, you know, again, like some, you know, more like hardcore religious people who, like, again, dogmatic in their faith, will like, you know, know, speak up and say why, you know, you know, most people that can be religious and an ally at the same time, they can be, you know, that that is possible for a lot of people. But online, the discourse is so toxic and dangerous. Like, it is, you know, I don't think for the point of having this conversation, you have to put people's mental health at risk.

[Annie]

I feel like one. It is going to be a conversation, a relationship. And although I do not think Love is Blind is maybe the most realistic dating show, I do think that is realistic. And I appreciate, appreciate that they have those conversations because I don't agree with this, but the way reality TV dating shows work is everyone online's gonna find out your politics whether you like it or not. And for them to at least be able to, like, say it themselves versus someone online, like digging up something that is out of context or whatever, I think it's like, say it with your chest and then like, people. I don't think anyone should get, like, death threats, but I think having those conversations is healthy. I also think in relationships, like, I.

[Nick]

Don'T think people should be forced.

[Annie]

I don't think you should be for. I think if you want to, you should be able to. Because if it is, like, something that's important to you in your relationship, like, for me, you know, I'm someone who's like, me as a person. To some people, I am a political topic, you know, which is, like, weird because to me, it's not like I'm chilling, but I think for the sake of reality TV dating shows, it's always interesting and in the way it's fun to, like, see how that plays out with couples. Just as, like, like, from an anthropologic perspective, I enjoy it.

[Mary]

I also think that it's kind of an unfair comparison just because I'm like, love is blind. You're literally talking to somebody you don't know. You're gonna hang out with them for two weeks and then end in marriage. So of course you need to get a lot of these tough conversations out. Whereas a Love island, if I sat there and watched two people talking about their politics while you're in the villa in bikinis, it's kind of a joke.

[Nick]

It really depends on the show.

[Mary]

So I just think it's. The stakes are a bit different where I'm like, I love. Love is blind. I love Love Island. But I'm just saying, to compare the two is apples to oranges and.

[Nick]

Very true.

[Natalie]

Let's get to our next one.

[Katie]

Hey, I'm a huge fan of the show, so I hope this gets played. But my hot take is that the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills needs a brand new cast. I'm just not invested in any of the characters anymore. I think that they're kind of all old and done with, even Kyle, and.

[Natalie]

I just think they need a brand.

[Katie]

New cast to kind of shake things up. The only person I can get invested in anymore is Kathy Hilton because I think she's hilarious.

[Justin]

I agree with that.

[Katie]

But other than that, I think they need a new cast. Yeah, I have so many other hot takes. I'll probably call again, but, yes, love your show. Bye.

[Nick]

I give the hot take.

[Natalie]

She's like, and I'm gonna remain anonymous.

[Susie]

Keep bows.

[Annie]

That's all I have to say.

[Nick]

Bose is fantastic. She was an exceptional housewife. Has she only been on one? One season?

[Annie]

Yeah. Last season was her first season.

[Justin]

I don't agree with this.

[Mary]

I just have one. I have one hot take in comparison, though, because I'm like, Beverly Hills versus Salt Lake City or Miami, like, Salt Lake City. Something pops up. Lisa's, whatever. Bronwyn's marriage, whatever. There's always some new shit that's happening every episode that you're like, okay, we're. We're unfolding this group of friends where I'm like, beverly Hills will have one fudgeing issue, and they gave me 19 episodes of these women talking about the same fucking thing. Yeah, I don't care.

[Nick]

That's a producer problem and a person choice. I don't typically agree with it. I don't think a refresh in this franchise, a complete refresh, hasn't really served the franchise well. Like Roni being the example. I was gonna say, sure, you need some. It's just like with Bachernation, there's a formula that works of like, you know, people are too lazy to be like, I don't want to get to know A whole new cast. And then nowadays, if you're. If you're casting a whole new group, it's gonna be performative. It's gonna seem fake. Like, Rony was. You need to. Like, I'm fine with, like. I'm fine with, like, keeping the. The. The pressure on and being like, you know what? You're out. You're in. You know, always kind of bringing a fresh look to the cast. We have. Garcelle's gone right now. We have.

[Mary]

I just can't watch another season of Dorit being like, kyle, why won't you be a good friend to me? Like, you know what I mean?

[Nick]

That's a producer choice. Listen, I think Kyle is, like, the queen, and she seems like a great person, but as a housewife, I'm kind of. I have no interest in her and Mauricio's relationship story. I have no interest. I'm interested in if Kyle's willing to do date.

[Mary]

Let's see it.

[Nick]

I'm into that. You know, if Mauricio is willing to. I. I would love to see him on the slopes with some of the influencers, maybe the cast of Love Island. He was recently seen in a.

[Justin]

He. He was in the background of Andrea's Instagram from Love Island. Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah. Anyways, I'm into that. I'm into that. I am not into the staged, performative scene setting, you know, that they do to show up, to remind the audience they're still a team.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Nick]

And then, you know, Cotton, while talking about. Not talking about her marriage, I'm so completely over that.

[Mary]

Yeah. I feel like these women have their boundaries up of what they will and won't share anymore because they're all veterans at this point. They've all have, like, over five seasons under their belt, essentially. So it's just like, they can say, I'm not sharing this, but I'll share this. And it's like, no, we need to see authenticity between these relationships, because just what you're willing to share or call out on someone else, it gets old.

[Nick]

But I. I love Sutton. I. I don't think she can help herself in the best possible way. And then she has a messy life that she just like.

[Natalie]

I'm interested to see how Rachel Roy. Yeah, Rachel Roy does. No, Rachel Zoe. Yeah, I'm interested.

[Justin]

Rachel Ray. I love her too.

[Natalie]

But, yeah, Rachel Roy was bringing all the.

[Annie]

Rachel.

[Mary]

Yeah, allegedly. Allegedly.

[Nick]

You know, she's gonna be fresh meat.

[Mary]

Rachel Zoe can handle herself, though. I'm like, that one's scary.

[Justin]

I just. I just think, like, Think of any reboot. Like, what performed better? Roni legacy or Roni rebooted.

[Mary]

Isn't Denise back too?

[Justin]

Denise is back as, like, a friend for, like, a limited pickup.

[Mary]

I think that's what.

[Justin]

Yeah, but, like, I think people are committed to personalities, and people are committed to Beverly Hills as these personalities.

[Mary]

I'm even at the stage where I'm like, bring Lisa Rinna back.

[Annie]

Yes. I was just about to say that.

[Mary]

I need some toxicity. I need some shaking up.

[Justin]

She said she's not coming back, so I don't think she's gonna come back.

[Annie]

Ugh. I know she's, like, really in her model era and just, like, absolutely devouring everything as per usual. But I want to see that on.

[Justin]

TV to validate our hot take a little bit. I mean, some would say you take down the queen bee to, like, make people work again. So, I mean, technically, that's what happened when Jen Shaw was removed. It gave other people more, like, room to be who they are.

[Nick]

So maybe there's something to be said about that. I feel like Kyle stifles the creativity of the. Of the rest of the cast.

[Allison Williams]

Interesting.

[Katie]

I think there.

[Annie]

I will say my hot take is. I think there is one thing Kyle Richard could do that would lock me in the rest of the season, and I think we all know what that is.

[Mary]

Morgan.

[Annie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Okay, well, Morgan's never coming on.

[Nick]

Well, we got one more scorching hot take, so let's get to it.

[Katie]

Hi, my name is Katie. I actually have two hot takes. First, I think on Real Housewives of Miami, the first episode of the reunion. Gertie is losing her mind, coming out of nowhere, being upset about things that were resolved on the show, acting like she's the only person that this has ever happened to not giving anybody else grace. I think she is just on one. My second hot take is with the Real Housewives of Orange County Camp. Orange County. I think that Gretchen is a problem. I think she kind of proved that she is a problem and that she is. Has loose lips when she drinks some alcohol and clearly could have said something to Katie and then turned around and said, I never said that. That's not true. That's a lie. I think she's kind of proving that Katie. She probably did say that to Katie, and I can't wait to see what happens. That. So, yeah, those are my hot takes. Thank you, guys.

[Allison Williams]

Same girl.

[Justin]

It reminded me of Gretchen going, it.

[Mary]

Sounds like you're the problem, so you're the pot stir.

[Annie]

It's not the same thing.

[Natalie]

I Definitely agree with the Orange county hot take. I. I think Gretchen is 100% the problem.

[Justin]

I do love her, though.

[Mary]

We needed the shakeup just to, like, make Tamra seem more human. Yeah, yeah. Cause Tamara was coming after everyone the last couple seasons.

[Nick]

Honestly, I think Greta's an amazing house housewife. And I agree with the caller because, again, like, the same reason I like Sutton. It's like, I have respect for, like, the. More calculate. Like, the Tamra. Like, I respect how she moves. Yeah, she's a smarty pants. You know what I'm saying? And then I like Gretchen because, like, she's not, you know, clip it.

[Justin]

She thinks she is, but she isn't.

[Nick]

But. Yeah, no, yeah, she, like, can't. Like, her life is so messy. And I think, like, Gretchen has this. Like, she pretends to be happy with her life more than she is, you know, but portrays it as to be, like, living the dream. Oh, my God, that's awesome.

[Mary]

No, literally, I'm like, you know what? Somebody who has a happy life doesn't have time for focusing on every headline that comes up about someone they don't.

[Annie]

Like on the Gertie thing. Listen, I can't have a rational take on Gertie because I ride for her. Yeah, that's my take on that. Gertie, let her. Let her cook.

[Nick]

Listen, Gertie makes almost no sense ever. And she's so.

[Annie]

What?

[Nick]

No, I'm. I'm with you.

[Justin]

She makes sense.

[Nick]

I said this. I don't know. I. I think sometimes Gertie is performing, and I. And this is, like, this is meant to be a compliment about Gertie the person, not Gertie the housewife.

[Natalie]

Not coming off as one.

[Nick]

I have my ways. Listen, because I think she's always want. She wants to, like, just a reminder.

[Mary]

We will be seeing them at Bravo Coffee.

[Nick]

She wants to just. She wants to justify obviously being there and. But, like, you know, that we'll segue into part three as we cover it. But like, that part three, when they had that moment with her and her husband.

[Annie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It takes a lot to make a relationship work, especially a marriage, especially over the years. And her and Gertie, from everything I've been able to tell, she has a really great and healthy relationship with her husband. And. And as a human, I have so much respect for whatever they have done as a couple to make this relationship work. And to make a relationship work like that, it requires an immense amount of selflessness, like sacrifice, which is, like the antithesis of what it means to be a Great housewife. You have to be a self centered egomaniac, a little narcissistic to be the best possible housewife. And I just think it's hard for girls to really come across as an authentic Greek housewife because at her core she's a great person.

[Justin]

She's a great person.

[Susie]

That was nice.

[Natalie]

I think she gets the cancer pass. And you wanted to give it to Jesse Solomon. I think it's, it's deserved for Gertie Albrara because she like these women. I feel like heard she had cancer, gave her the like, aw. And then moved on so fast.

[Justin]

One of your members, she wasn't the one that brought it to the group. It was Larsa.

[Mary]

Yeah, exactly.

[Justin]

So, like, I mean, yeah, I mean, I think people, the reason, the reason why people don't like Gertie the season is because they want drama, but she's.

[Annie]

Bringing her life and Julia's dragging stuff up from four years ago. And Gertie's like, I don't understand why you guys like can't support that is the thing. Like, she is just too good of a person because she's like, you're supposed to be my friend.

[Mary]

No, literally.

[Annie]

And so she's just like, yeah. You know, using Julia's PTSD talk to.

[Mary]

Gertie Julia kamikazing her own marriage. Yeah. For the sake of a TV show.

[Annie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Well, I think it's time to segue into the Real Housewives of Miami Part 3. But before we do, just a reminder. Don't get burned by your old wireless bill. Make the switch to mint mobile. Get three months of unlimited premium wireless service for 15 bucks a month at mintmobile.comv that is mintmobile.comv. upfront payment of $45 required, equivalent to $15 a month limited time. New customer offer for first three months only. Speeds may slow above 35 gigabytes on unlimited plan taxes and fees extra c Mint Mobile for details. And if you, if you like what you hear and want to give us your scorching hot takes, be sure to call 1-855- meant TLK. Or if you prefer the numbers, that's 855-646-8855. And you will be featured on a upcoming episode of Reality Recap. All right, we got 20 minutes to cover Housewife and Love is Blind.

[Natalie]

All right, well, good thing we have rapid recaps of everything. Shout out Mayor Bear if you missed the most recent episode of the Real Housewives of Miami. Here's your rapid recap. All right, now that we're Done. Lesn out. Let's get into the heterodrama warning. It takes a sad turn. Lisa feels like no one was there for her when her dad passed and is also mad that Larsa said Jody was a cokehead. Larsa apologizes to Jody and it seems they're cool. Whether they're AC level cool is to be seen. Then it gets fun again. Kiki can't eat oysters because she's celibate. Then show my air is brought up. Stephanie Sojay just wants to talk for a damn second. Alexia and Marisol are officially declared twins. Get these girls in an Adam McKay style buddy comedy now. Speaking of Marisol, she's still mad about Adriana saying she has old lady knees. So much so she's getting surgery on on them. Stephanie thinks Marisol is the real villain in the Alexia Marisol dynamic. Kiki doesn't think Adriana is racist, but does think she intentionally said she was ratchet. She's also besties with the Amazon driver now. Overall, it's been a wild ride. Can't wait to see what next season will bring. I do think Adrian's a little bit Adriana.

[Annie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah, she's messy. Why? Why isn't she like a real housewife? Because she's super entertaining.

[Annie]

I think she will be getting that mojito.

[Natalie]

I think she'll get the mojito. I mean, she sat on the couch the entire reunion, so she's basically.

[Justin]

That is how my.

[Nick]

You're willing to say my sweet pussy on telev television.

[Mary]

Yeah, you get a mojito.

[Annie]

Also, I. I didn't say this last time, but I just think it's so funny that Adriana is like, I'm not gay. And then she does. The gayest thing she did this season was not having sex with a woman. It was presenting Julia with her heart.

[Natalie]

Ripped out to her.

[Annie]

I'm like, and also my last thing on this and then we can move on. Julia Sang has recently revealed that she has PTSD because of this whole season. And I'm like, mama, that's just being with women. You should know this by now.

[Mary]

Julia, she also did that to herself. I know.

[Natalie]

I feel like they saved the worst for last. It was the most boring part of the reunion. I felt it felt like it didn't. We didn't need a part three.

[Nick]

It's like a whole episode of wrapping it up.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Allison Williams]

Yeah.

[Mary]

And I did feel bad for Lisa, though, where I was just like. I just feel like everybody on this cast just hates me. Hates her because it's Just like, she's sitting here being like, I got nothing. When your mom died, I did this. I did that. Where I'm like, obviously, we don't want to hear a tit for tat. Like, I did this for your mom. You should have done this for me. But the way that Alexi was like, okay, yeah, we get it, though. Enough is enough. And everyone's like, whoa.

[Nick]

Like, when Kiki was like, oh, so we're comparing grief. Yeah, that was a line of the night. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Natalie]

Other than that, it was a little bit of a bore.

[Mary]

You got Larsa apologizing to Jody, which.

[Justin]

How long.

[Natalie]

Why?

[Mary]

Yeah, why did that. That take?

[Justin]

Yeah, I mean, how long is it.

[Annie]

Going to last exactly?

[Justin]

It was, like, the most awkward conversation.

[Nick]

Could you guys imagine if your mom was a housewife?

[Justin]

Love.

[Nick]

You would love.

[Justin]

I would be the Brooks Marks. I would be like, let's make it happen.

[Mary]

What.

[Annie]

What.

[Mary]

What job would I want in this world if my mom was a housewife?

[Annie]

Exactly.

[Mary]

I'm like, half the Victoria's Secret Angels.

[Annie]

Mom's housewives.

[Mary]

Mom's a housewife.

[Justin]

Right?

[Susie]

The Nepa babies.

[Nick]

That's true.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Adriana did kind of win the conversation when they were like, who wrote the. The rules for the reunion? And she was like. And they're like, it sounded like a lawyer. And she's like, I do go to Harvard.

[Annie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

And I was like, touche.

[Allison Williams]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I thought they were talking about, like, it was, like, a little sticky note. It was, like, a full printout.

[Justin]

Yep.

[Mary]

Two pages.

[Nick]

So is Julia gonna be back?

[Mary]

I don't think so.

[Susie]

Really?

[Mary]

I. I just have, like, a feeling. Yeah.

[Susie]

I don't know.

[Nick]

You think Adriana will replace her?

[Annie]

That'll be awesome.

[Mary]

I think Adriana will be back next year for sure. As a housewife. I just. I don't think Julia. I don't think Gertie, really.

[Justin]

I went to Alexia when she told us that everybody should be given another season.

[Susie]

Is this because you don't think that, like, the show will bring them back on, or do you think that they're taking, like, steps back?

[Mary]

I think because the show won't just based off of, like, viewers and storylines and what we have going on. Coming to find out that Gertie and Julia's whole storyline was from two years ago, like, Marisol and Adriana is more interesting about getting her knee surgery than it is, like, where you were. Weren't you, on the cruise with me?

[Susie]

But do you think Julia will, like, add a lot with the whole hookup.

[Natalie]

With, like, Watching her marriage.

[Mary]

The unfortunate. I was gonna say the unfortunate thing is that could add a lot that, like, it's gonna take Martina taking some sort of action for that to solidify Julia's role. Because I'm like, yeah, we don't want that.

[Nick]

I think Garcelle is the only one. Garcelle from Beverly Hills is the only housewife where I believe that it was like her choice to leave rather than the network's choice, because Garcelle Giselle has a lot going on and I don't feel like she needs this. And I think most housewives, it's never their choice. I think there's exceptions to that rule, but for the most part, you really have to see, like, what else they have going on and do they really need it.

[Mary]

Exactly. That's why I'm like, I. I'd be fine with the entire cast coming back as is. I think that if they are going to make any adjustments to it, it's for sure going to be between Julia and Gertie.

[Nick]

Like, you're not going to stop seeing Garcelle on red carpets or events. You're not going to stop seeing her in the scene. But like other housewives, if they don't have have. If they're not a housewife, they disappear into oblivion.

[Mary]

100. Yeah, 100.

[Nick]

Time for a little O.C.

[Natalie]

Time for a little rapid recap of O.C.

[Nick]

I miss Katie.

[Natalie]

Yes, I do too.

[Mary]

Every episode.

[Natalie]

Well, Shannon hosts an engagement lunch for Jen to prove their friends, but the rose colored glasses that she ordered did not show up. Hopefully that means nothing. Subtextually, Gretchen pulls a church lady and says a little prayer against Tamara. Shannon thinks she should chill. Gina is happy for Jen's relationship, but thinks Ryan is too horny for her and a low key problematic way. Gina also moved back in with Travis, who was hoarding for her in a woke way. Groundlings alum Heather Dubrow reveals she has never farted, even though the first rule of improv is farts are funny, which she should know. And they call Katie a liar. Then are blonde and also brunette, but they're spiritually blonde. You know what I mean? Divas go to Amsterdam, smoke some reefer. Hey. Shannon reminds everyone that she grew up on boats and also she might have a toe infection. Tamara asks her if she's a cunt. Some of the girls go decorating, which is a combination of dick and decorating, to describe an event in which the women pays to bedazzle a dildo for decorative purposes. In case anyone was wondering, the rest of the ladies get what the kids are calling stoney baloney. Then they go. Then they all go to dinner and everyone is actually really cool and chill for once. This is what sex and drugs can do for you kids. Overall, what is the best word for weed? Devil's lettuce. Mary Jane. Ganja doobies.

[Allison Williams]

Discuss.

[Natalie]

I hate all the above.

[Annie]

Honestly, I think reefer is really fun.

[Susie]

I like ganja.

[Annie]

Reefer, reefer, reefer madness. Like, it's fun, it's stupid.

[Natalie]

I think if I'm gonna go with any of them, I'm gonna go with any of the ones that Mary listed. Devil's lettuce.

[Allison Williams]

Maybe that fun.

[Nick]

Devil's lettuce.

[Mary]

Devil's lettuce is devil's lettuce.

[Natalie]

Cuz it's kind of like you can say it in passing and people are just kind of like, what salad is that?

[Mary]

Is that on the devil's lettuce?

[Susie]

I like a doobie too. I don't know. It's kind of fun.

[Natalie]

When I was in my stoner era, it was just like blunt this, blunt that. I was just blunt smoking girl again.

[Mary]

Another episode where I was like, yeah, Miss Katie.

[Allison Williams]

I.

[Mary]

And I'm like, even though we traveled a little, like, the most interesting thing was watching Shannon consume a space cake.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Mary]

And the editor's voiceover after talking to her daughter.

[Nick]

This episode of OC And I guess Miami just kind of reminded me why I love Salaac so much. Because, like, kind of, to your point, with Beverly Hills, there are definitely episodes of OC where it's like, I didn't miss anything.

[Natalie]

No, it was like a phone episode the whole time, you know, like, you could scroll on your phone and be like, no, I didn't miss anything.

[Annie]

Honestly. Honestly, I feel like it's nice to have those sometimes. I do like Salt Lake City more. It is my favorite, obviously. But I don't know, I just. It is nice sometimes to just see people chilling. It kind of takes you back to like older Housewives episodes where it was a bit more of like a documentary. I don't know.

[Nick]

How is it?

[Annie]

Do you know what I mean?

[Nick]

Sure, yeah, yeah, yeah. How is Jen's vagina broken?

[Mary]

She got reconstructed. Was it after?

[Natalie]

Yeah, I think she just got like, after having.

[Mary]

Children.

[Natalie]

She decided to get reconstructive surgery. And it was like her pelvic wall. No, she said actually it looked very good. I think just like the recovery maybe.

[Nick]

Was like, this is a recent surgery surgery.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I don't know her timeline of it.

[Susie]

This is actually really Interesting to me, like, what happens that you need reconstructive surgery?

[Natalie]

Because.

[Susie]

I know, I know.

[Nick]

Why don't they dive more into that? Pun intended. I just.

[Mary]

I'm curious.

[Susie]

I'm actually curious. Yeah, they cut something off. Like the labia.

[Mary]

I guess maybe it's just like gravity and aging and children.

[Nick]

But she always uses it as like a punchline or a joke where she's like, oh, my go broken. And like right now. But I. I am like. I don't know.

[Susie]

Like, I think when you get what's.

[Mary]

Going on, when you get things like that redone, that I'm like, she. She was saying sex where it was like, only just the tip because it was so painful. So I'm like. It's like almost like having a brand new vagina. You kind of. You gotta. You gotta.

[Susie]

Oh, it was painful before.

[Allison Williams]

Yeah.

[Mary]

No, no, no.

[Susie]

Like right now.

[Mary]

Exactly. She got the surgery redone, so it's.

[Susie]

Like zipped it up so high minor.

[Mary]

You gotta open it back up again. And it takes. Takes a few times, you know?

[Annie]

And they say you can't regain your virginity.

[Mary]

I mean, between Jen's vagina and Slade's broken penis. What is going on in Orange County?

[Nick]

Nothing good.

[Mary]

Nothing good.

[Annie]

What about Love is Blonde?

[Nick]

Well, Joe and Madison finally broke up.

[Annie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Ladies, if you're. If you watch that breakup, this is. Take notes. Know when they hate you. And I don't mean like they hate you, but, like, that was tough. It was tough to watch.

[Natalie]

Have a hug and he's like, yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

When he. I mean, that. That man wanted out, and that's fine. It wasn't for him. He was emotionally panicking the whole time. I guess we're like. It was more like don't lose yourself over, like Madison just falling on the floor.

[Mary]

It was the constant asking to like, where it's like, why is it. What is it? I'm like, clearly he doesn't want to hurt your feelings, so, like, let's just not ask for an answer that we don't need to hear.

[Nick]

And sure, Joe kind of demonstrated some behaviors that were a little eye rolly at time. And maybe he's not your guy, but. But like, I think it's okay to freak out over the science experiment.

[Natalie]

Him immediately being cutting to his itm. And he'd be like, I feel relieved.

[Susie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

Late.

[Natalie]

A weight lifted off my shoulders for sure.

[Annie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

There's.

[Natalie]

She's just in there, like on the floor, sobbing, crying. There's just.

[Justin]

The editor's playing man child when he ran Off.

[Annie]

Yes.

[Nick]

No.

[Susie]

That was amazing.

[Natalie]

I saw people being like, Netflix spending all of their money to play Manchild of that. And it was worth Chef's kiss.

[Susie]

It really was so good.

[Annie]

I do want to. It sucks because I do kind of want to, like, hate on Joe, but I can't. I can't, because I would. If I was on Love is Blind, I would probably. I would be Joe. Not in the way that he was, like, kind of phobic, but in the way that he was just like, I'm not getting married.

[Susie]

No, I think I'd be the same.

[Mary]

But I'm like, I just don't know why that was so hard for people to, like, grasp their head around. Because Annie, too. Or Annie was just like, just make it work with me. And then, like, we'll see. And it's marriage. This isn't an easy thing to get out of. No.

[Annie]

It's not something to argue about while you're drunk and eating Taco Bell.

[Nick]

I do think I've always said this. This show's most toxic fan base are catfishers.

[Natalie]

Wait, what?

[Susie]

In what sense?

[Nick]

Catfishers. People who catfish other people. This whole premise is about, can you fall in love with someone? You don't know what they look like. And the people who are notoriously online. Some of those people are people who catfish other people into believing they're someone they're not.

[Allison Williams]

Yes.

[Nick]

And if you are someone who catfishes people online, online, you love this show and you ride for the people who, like, maybe are, like, overselling their looks. And, like, when someone like Joe is like, hey, listen, not my type, you will crucify this person to like no other. And, you know, just. This is.

[Susie]

I think that's where something.

[Nick]

Something to think about when you're thinking about, you know.

[Allison Williams]

Yeah.

[Susie]

Not that I think that Casey was. Did a good job and how she broke up, but I'm like. I almost think it's. It's like when she did break up with Patrick, I'm like, It was immediate. She was like, I know. I can't get there. She could have done it better, for sure. But then for Joe, I feel like he probably felt the same way, but he drug it on, and it's almost like, more painful and more damaging to the person that you're with if you just, like, let that drag on, and you're just like. I mean, have you ever been with somebody that you're, like, trying to be like, I'm trying to get there, like. But, like, physically, even if it's not that they're not attractive. It's just that you're like, I'm not feeling this. And it's really, like, shitty. It's really shitty.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Annie]

And you just feel really bad and you don't want to.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

I hated hearing Madison be like, so you. We're never gonna cuddle again? Like, we're never gonna get. Like, she's like, think about all the good times. Like, we'll never have those again. And you're okay with that?

[Susie]

He's like.

[Nick]

He's like, I cannot. Yeah, I just.

[Natalie]

He's like, I gotta get out of this apartment.

[Mary]

But I will say to her point or to her credit, where I'm like, he knew. He knew from the second he saw her. He knew from the.

[Natalie]

Also. It, like, it was so obvious to us, clearly watching it. I wonder how obvious it was to her. Or if, like, everything he was saying and she was confusing her, you know, like, if it was just the complete opposite for her to be living in it. I do think the conversation between Sparkle, Megan and Jordan was very common. I think it's something that, like, Nick and I have, even when we first started dating, like, have, you know, had an issue with of, like, the, like, okay, are we. You know, I feel like I'm not really getting much out of this conversation. It feels like I'm pulling teeth to, like, get you to have a conversation with. With me.

[Nick]

Every guy, on some level, wants to just stare at a wall in silence.

[Mary]

Until you break them, you know, it's like, I don't.

[Nick]

The last thing most men want to do is talk about their day.

[Mary]

Oh, no. Literally. Connor used to always be like, I'm a simple man.

[Natalie]

It could have been me.

[Mary]

Now I'm like, now you're a bougie man that won't shut the.

[Nick]

Wait. I have to relive this whole thing. Like, I. What?

[Susie]

I'm, like, feeding at the mouth to the be. Like, when can I talk about my day?

[Mary]

When are you going to ask me about my day? Someone asked me. It's like, when you're like, so, are.

[Natalie]

You going on any trips anytime soon? I was like, no. And you're like, I am.

[Justin]

Thank you.

[Allison Williams]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie]

Let me tell you where I'm going.

[Annie]

Literally.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Couldn't be more difficult.

[Nick]

Megan's like, you know, we just fell in love because you make me laugh. And it's just like, well, I'm not a comedian all day. It's just like, I'm not here to tell jokes.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

He's like, and this isn't the Pods, baby. Yeah, Real life.

[Susie]

I will say that kind of hurt me when he said, this isn't the pods, though.

[Mary]

I was like.

[Susie]

I was like, oh. But then he did make her laugh right after. And I was like, okay. There's hope. He did make a little joke after.

[Annie]

They do seem like the most a couple that I'm like, yeah.

[Natalie]

Did you see he got like a NutriBullet brand deal?

[Allison Williams]

No.

[Natalie]

For the chicken and crystal light. Crystal light. Maybe like a.

[Annie]

But happy for him.

[Natalie]

Crystal light mixture, whole thing. I wonder if he's getting any of that. Did y' all see Joe's. Apparently Joe is currently in a relationship.

[Nick]

Spoiler alert.

[Susie]

Oh, yes.

[Natalie]

Literally, as soon as that breakup episode aired, they were like, she's like.

[Nick]

And release that together.

[Natalie]

We put together.

[Mary]

We're doing a podcast.

[Natalie]

She somehow has already had time to do a podcast. I don't really.

[Nick]

I gotta say, Joe used. Not a good sign for you. Yeah, I don't love that your new girlfriend's out there like riding your coattails talking some. She is.

[Mary]

She is.

[Natalie]

She's talking about giving wrong reasons. She's talking about Casey being like, we. She told me, which this is always what I love about people when they retell stories and they're like, yeah. And she just kept telling me like, you're so beautiful. You're so beautiful. You're so funny. You're so beautiful. And you're silly and funny and beautiful. And she just kept telling me how stunning I was. Then the second I left, she was in Joe's lap. Well, okay, let's unpack all of that.

[Annie]

Yeah.

[Susie]

So you fell for it. Yeah, so would I.

[Natalie]

But I am. No, literally, I am. I. I am confused as to why she is doing press. That is definitely a red flag for sure. I wonder how. What Casey's.

[Nick]

She DMed probably as many podcasts that she thought might have her on and pitched herself.

[Susie]

Have you guys checked your DMs?

[Natalie]

We don't. We don't check who checked the DM.

[Justin]

I mean, I did see Joe up in the email trying to get on.

[Annie]

So Joe was also in our DMs.

[Justin]

The. The KB and Edmund conversation was very interesting where she was like, you're a different person when the cameras are down than when they are.

[Mary]

The way I was rooting for them to break up and when they didn't.

[Nick]

I. I honestly like, like they're. They shouldn't be together. I love them both. I honest, I think they're. They're well intentioned people who are willing to try to figure this out. And I don't think they're perfect for each other, but I think they're both good people we've talked about already. I think obviously some to work through.

[Mary]

They're just not each other's person.

[Natalie]

If you ever wondered what Nick looked like roller skating, just watch out. That is it.

[Nick]

I don't jump.

[Natalie]

Do you want to now after watching?

[Nick]

No.

[Mary]

You didn't get the itch?

[Nick]

Well, watching and been on rollerblades was like. Yeah, maybe I should.

[Susie]

You felt connected. Oh, maybe you shouldn't.

[Nick]

Oh, I felt a bit. I bet. I felt some shame.

[Susie]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Susie]

It brought you back. Tumbled you a little.

[Nick]

I listen, I can't wait till my daughter's old enough to go roller skating and we'll be. We'll be flying.

[Natalie]

Well, Allison Williams is here. So should we get to Allison?

[Nick]

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Let's do it. I'm shooting a TV show with the most amazing cast.

[Nick]

I have my podcast.

[Allison Williams]

I think I might move back to New York. I heard footsteps walk into my room. What's happening? Don't he want to see all the craziness? I'm freaking out.

[Mary]

Some familiar faces are back.

[Justin]

Is boss.

[Natalie]

It's good TV.

[Nick]

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[Allison Williams]

Oh my God. This is surreal. I really feel like I won some kind of a contest and I get to be honest.

[Natalie]

Yes, of course you won like a radio show contest.

[Allison Williams]

A fan event. Like, I really feel like this is surreal. I'm unworthy. I'm so grateful to be here. Susie, this is a curveball. I did not know about the fact that you're on the couch with me. I'll eventually be able to maintain eye contact with you for longer than like a second job.

[Susie]

I'm so flattered. You don't even understand.

[Nick]

No.

[Susie]

You look incredible.

[Allison Williams]

Thank you so much.

[Nick]

So you've been a True Blue Bachra fan for a long time.

[Allison Williams]

True Blue, Wow.

[Nick]

How far back do you go?

[Allison Williams]

I think the first I watched like at the very beginning and then I took a little break during college. It was like a culture, you know, vacuum college wise a little bit. And then I started again. I started in hard with Brad Womack. Hard.

[Nick]

He was the only two time bachelor.

[Allison Williams]

My wife was second.

[Susie]

He was a two time bachelor.

[Allison Williams]

The second time he came on, I watched that whole season and it was.

[Natalie]

My two chances to be the Bachelor. I know.

[Mary]

And he's really good.

[Justin]

Good looking guy.

[Nick]

But the little.

[Allison Williams]

He made them both.

[Nick]

Yeah, the first time he was like, he said no to everyone. He was like, nah, I'm good. And it was hated for it.

[Natalie]

Yep. And then I can do better. Guys.

[Allison Williams]

This is produced. Emily Maynard. Yeah. So I wrote I was fresh out of college, I was in like a viewing group and I did something that's like so confusing looking back in terms of like social, I don't know, trying to fit in. Everyone was a little older than me and we would get together every week and watch the Bachelor. And I wrote an essay to the email list about like coordinating the weekly viewing thing comparing Brad Womack to Hamlet. And everyone was like, it like landed with a thud in the email and I don't think anyone responded. But we're like, you're doing so much this English major, you have to leave it behind. Doesn't belong here. But I stand by it. He was very. Yeah, he was very Prince of Denmark. Y.

[Mary]

And are you still.

[Natalie]

You're still currently watching?

[Allison Williams]

I am behind. I watched paradise, if we can even like call it. It was so different.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Susie]

What are Your thoughts? How did you like the way it needs.

[Allison Williams]

Like, it needed a. A revamp?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Allison Williams]

I was happy to see, like, aspirational qualities to it. Like, it was starting to get so mean to the people who went that I was like, why would you go?

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Allison Williams]

And they still did wrong by you, in my opinion.

[Natalie]

I agree.

[Katie]

Yeah.

[Allison Williams]

You deserve, like, a much. I'm assuming they assumed you would have had a much longer storyline and.

[Nick]

But they didn't prioritize their stars, which was one of my biggest.

[Allison Williams]

It's really weird they don't take care of their. The people who pull the most attention to the show, but the fact that it was a nice hotel. It was like everyone had air conditioning. People looked rested, people were napping whenever they felt like it.

[Katie]

Like, really?

[Allison Williams]

I was like, this seems like it's less prone to create a breakdown. And I thought it was pretty successful. And then when it became Survivor Big Brother, I was like, interesting. I guess it's what you have to do to compete with the other shows, I guess.

[Nick]

I guess. I mean, it's because it hasn't been working, I feel like, lately. And I. My biggest frustration is, like, I think that I just don't think they've. They haven't prioritized their stars or even made it an attempt. Like, Joey brought it back. We were all like, here we go. We're back. You know, we loved it.

[Natalie]

He told Kelsey to say it again after she was like, I love you. And he was like, say it again, period. I got wet.

[Allison Williams]

That's so true.

[Susie]

That's so funny.

[Allison Williams]

And they took all that momentum and then just.

[Nick]

Just like. Yeah. And I don't know why they do that. They've never been good at prioritizing their stars.

[Allison Williams]

Well, now they're pulling a star from a different universe.

[Natalie]

I was gonna ask, what do you think of Taylor Franklin?

[Allison Williams]

So this is actually, I think what the franchise needs to get eyeballs back on it. The question will be what they do with that attention, because I think she's gonna be incredible. She knows what she's doing. She gets the assignment. She's a veteran. Like, you know, she's gonna, like, run an insane show and it'll break her. Even her. Because you guys are built with spines of steel to survive these shows. Like, seriously, it's really hard. It's like, it's the reason why everyone goes on to the other competition shows and just does so well. You guys are really, like, gorgeous.

[Nick]

It's an emotional.

[Allison Williams]

It's really intense.

[Nick]

It's not a coincidence that, like, Special Forces Hannah Brown and Tyler Harm, three of the first five people who finish. Because it's about not quitting. It's not really about anything else.

[Natalie]

Totally.

[Nick]

It's just like being kind of psychotic.

[Allison Williams]

And also being like, really good, like game theory, emotional gameplay mechanics, and being able to like write your own story in real time and produce yourselves. Because I think there's less like one to one kind of attention. So you're like, this is up to me. There's a bigger pool anyway. Digression. I think Taylor will be helpful to like launching it. And then I just hope that there's a star from that. From that season that she doesn't pick that can then carry the momentum forward. But they have to take care of that person and say they have to choose and don't make fun of them after the final rose, like lionize them, make them seem like, hot and interesting and desirable.

[Nick]

They have to cast at least three men that they think could be our.

[Allison Williams]

Next lead that have not done anything illegal. Like, it'll take two seconds for Reddit to unearth. They need to release like a list of 50 potential contestants, like months before they start shooting and let the Internet do the background check.

[Nick]

I would like my. If I were. If I were. Were a bachelor producer, my big, like, thing to change would be like announce a cast of like 50 to 60.

[Allison Williams]

Exactly.

[Nick]

And do it like months before and let them be messy.

[Allison Williams]

There would be like four men left.

[Natalie]

So true.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Every girl would be like a smaller season.

[Allison Williams]

I'll be husband ready.

[Natalie]

All the ex girlfriends would come out of the work and be like, listen to how he broke up with.

[Nick]

That's. Yeah, that would happen. You would get a bunch of jelly X's.

[Allison Williams]

That's fine. That's okay. Like you can. We. We allow for people to have done breakups badly. Who hasn't done that?

[Nick]

But you start with 60, you weed it down to like 20, even 15.

[Allison Williams]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And then like, it's only like those 15 make it. And then I want to see. I want to see the lead get like Almost Love island style, but instead of like you got a text, like they all get like a flip phone that they can text each other. You know how, like when I would sneak out and you know, like, go to her apartment and. Or whatever. And that's all kind of like they could like text the lead when they're on a date and the lead could decide to respond. Not respond.

[Justin]

We.

[Nick]

And then the producers would have access to all those conversations. But, like, that would be a way to like, like you get some bubbles of like that would be kind of great.

[Natalie]

I feel like it would take so long though to get the text messages through because they. Everyone's forgotten how to click three times for k and two times for.

[Nick]

Oh yeah.

[Allison Williams]

T9 word.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Allison Williams]

I used to be able to do that without looking.

[Natalie]

I know.

[Allison Williams]

From my bedroom in high school. It's just like loud.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Allison Williams]

I mean there does need to be some element of like the thing Love island does so well is it just like lets people just hang and it's not all ready for television. Yeah. They're producing six episodes a week but. Or five a week. But still like what I loved about Paradise Always and the reason I think it has a higher success rate for couples than the regular show.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Allison Williams]

I think.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Allison Williams]

You get to just hang out together at. And so there's a problem with that formula which is that as the couples get stronger, they get more boring and then they stop making good television. And so adding the game mechanic, I guess made sense. But maybe if you're just.

[Mary]

I don't know.

[Allison Williams]

People are such experts these days. They know what they're doing. Just cast the right people.

[Nick]

Yeah. I think it just comes down to casting.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Allison Williams]

100%. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Regretting you.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Comes out on Friday.

[Allison Williams]

I was like, what is that? Bachelor Universe.

[Mary]

I've never heard of it.

[Natalie]

You in the movie are married to Scott Eastwood.

[Allison Williams]

I am in the movie married to Scott Eastwood.

[Natalie]

In the movie married to Scott Eastwood. How was that? Just for curious purposes, just for general.

[Allison Williams]

Curiosity between the two of us, he's like, he's iconic. He's Scott Eastwood. He delivers on the Scott Eastwood promise. He's like what you want him to be. You know, hanging out, sun tanning and then parking on a face camp. Just like chilling. He's like, knows all the, like the teamsters somehow already from other jobs.

[Nick]

Like, he smells like Eastwood.

[Allison Williams]

I've now been asked like six times what he smells like and I such a failure because I do not remember his odor. I will make note of it tonight when I see him.

[Nick]

I think maybe one of the best compliments a man could get is the curiosity about your smell.

[Allison Williams]

Other men are the only people who've asked me. It's like a concern.

[Nick]

It's other men.

[Allison Williams]

Yes. Pheromone question.

[Mary]

Oh, interesting.

[Nick]

Even a bigger flex you have. Men clearly want to be there feeling.

[Allison Williams]

Like self conscious about their own smells. They're like, was it like musk or like a SAP? Like a leathery. But yeah, so he, when we wrapped him, he Was gone. Some. Somehow it came up that he's the guy in the Wildest Dreams. Taylor Swift video. And McKenna and Mason, who had loved him for in different ways from that a long time ago, hadn't made the connection that they just filmed a movie with the hot guy from the Wildest Dreams video. And we have a picture of the look on their faces when they figured it out. And they were just like, oh, my God, that was. That was him. And he just played her dad. We were very glad she didn't know.

[Mary]

While we were shooting.

[Susie]

It's probably a good thing she watch the movies.

[Nick]

Like, why is it giving.

[Allison Williams]

She wants the fuck.

[Mary]

Why is it.

[Allison Williams]

I feel like she's like. She kissed on the lips.

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Susie]

That's so weird.

[Allison Williams]

Is like, you're the most beautiful man I've ever seen. He's always felt that way. And then when he met him, he was very, very flustered. It was so sweet. He's great. He's a dad. He's chill.

[Nick]

Looks very heavy and entertaining. And for me, like a game of Guess who. Because it was like, wait, did he. Did they cheat on each other? Is that the person that.

[Annie]

Dan.

[Nick]

What's going on? So many, like, cliffhangers.

[Allison Williams]

It's really. It is emotional. There's ugly crying involved for sure.

[Nick]

But the.

[Allison Williams]

There's also like, laughing out loud. It's hard to describe this genre. The way I've been describing it is like it's a sleepover movie that you want to see in a theater. It feels nostalgic, like a movie you would watch back in the day. I feel like walking into Blockbuster throwback. Sorry. Half your audience just was like, what is that? See all these movies of, like, romance and then different hyphens. And I feel like we don't have as many of those anymore. And this feels like a movie from this genre. And I personally, personally am constantly, like, scrolling through the streamers looking for movies like this.

[Susie]

Wow.

[Nick]

Do you. When you play like the teenage mom. Well, not a mom of a teenager.

[Allison Williams]

Who was a teenage mom, actually, do you.

[Nick]

Is it fun to like, role play? Like what. Like kind of envision, like, what you would be like that scene where you drive up and it's like there's a door apart where that kind of cute. Really?

[Allison Williams]

That's a real scene from her life that she put in the book.

[Nick]

That's hilarious.

[Natalie]

Totally.

[Allison Williams]

I mean, our guy is going to be four in November, so we're far from that. Although they do say that developmentally, toddlerhood and Teenagerhood are similar stages of pushing boundaries to find them. They're just like, when they're tiny, it feels. It hits different.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

Natalie and I are constantly, like, kind of fantasizing about, like, what it's going to be like when river gets older and what.

[Allison Williams]

What are the vibes you're getting? I mean, she's.

[Natalie]

If she's saying mom, she's already saying mom at 20.

[Nick]

We went to a new park yesterday with our friends, and they have this, like. It's like a big kid park where the park by Ihears is more like, smaller. And it has this, like, rope kind of netted, like, climbing. Climbing.

[Allison Williams]

Oh, pictured exactly.

[Nick]

Right.

[Allison Williams]

Like just an instant heart attack for me. And she.

[Nick]

And she scaled the whole thing first, started going, and then obviously, it gets really hot. I'm like, right. You know, right there, right below her and kind of like, not. And she's yelling at me, no, yeah, yeah, go down.

[Allison Williams]

And honestly, she's rejecting your whole thing.

[Mary]

My whole spotting.

[Susie]

Look away.

[Nick]

And what's shocking is that, like, she actually did it. Like, incredible. No, obviously, we. We were. I was there. Yeah, but she would have, like, she's definitely like, a.

[Allison Williams]

She must have felt so proud.

[Nick]

Oh, she. Yeah, she was like.

[Allison Williams]

She's like, you're gonna deprive me of this victory if you're involved.

[Nick]

She's a doer. She, like. She. Yeah, she's definitely a go getter. She's. She's unafraid.

[Natalie]

She's also, like, such a lover girl. Like, she goes up to anyone and hugs them, tries to kiss. It's sometimes a little. I'm like, you can't.

[Allison Williams]

Yes.

[Nick]

It's your body.

[Allison Williams]

Oh, by the way.

[Natalie]

Way.

[Allison Williams]

So I teach that to our son, obviously. I'm like, this is your body or whatever. And we're always talking about consent in every situation. And then when I say things to him, like, I think you are just tired. He's like, how do you know that, mama? You're not in my body. This is my body. I'm the boss of my body. And I'm like, oh, my God. Damn this so early.

[Susie]

Yeah, he is educated.

[Allison Williams]

I know. He's.

[Susie]

I love it.

[Allison Williams]

I love it. But anyway, yeah, it was crazy to imagine having a teenager, like, and let alone my character became a mom as a teenager. And I know a few people who had kids that young. I'm just completely in awe of them. I was so someone else's kid still for a long time when I was that age. Like, I just was not ready to.

[Natalie]

Have a kid, did you pick their brain at all about, like, totally.

[Allison Williams]

But also the other thing is observing it because it's this funny hybrid. It's a level of intimacy that's fascinating because it's like they kind of grew up in parallel, so. So they're like sisters. But also, there's a boundary of mother, daughter. And all the people I know who had kids young did a better job of it than Morgan has. I think she. In the beginning of the movie, it seems like everything's good, but actually, like, I have notes. By the end of the movie, they may or may not find each other better, but their closeness is kind of superficial. She's very into. She would like to control her daughter into being safe rather than letting her go, which you did in the net climbing thing, which is what you have to do. That's all that parenthood is is. It's like letting go and then being there just in case, you know, I'm.

[Natalie]

Always trying to, like, not put my own anxiety onto her.

[Allison Williams]

It's so hard.

[Natalie]

Every time, I'm like, be careful. Don't do that. I'm like, no, don't say it. I can do it. It's okay.

[Allison Williams]

My husband, literally, like, when maybe he was like, a year old, Alexander, very gently, in a way that I could feel that he had been thinking about how to word this for, like, months. He was like, have you ever noticed how often you say be careful? And I was like, no. And he was like, you're kind of telling him that the world is scary in a way that he doesn't feel. And so then I started paying attention to it. I was like, oh, my God. It's constant. It's like a tic almost.

[Nick]

It is.

[Natalie]

It's like when she does anything.

[Allison Williams]

I know.

[Natalie]

And now she steps in to put her foot into her pajama pants. I'm like, okay, and be careful. And then I'm like, what's gonna happen?

[Justin]

Come on.

[Allison Williams]

I know.

[Nick]

Leave her alone.

[Allison Williams]

I know. I am allowed to say it. When he runs downhill, though, there's nothing.

[Natalie]

Yes, yes.

[Allison Williams]

Running downhill.

[Natalie]

Go slow.

[Allison Williams]

Takes your breath away.

[Mary]

I know.

[Nick]

It is fascinating, though. There have been a couple moments where, like, river got hurt.

[Allison Williams]

Yeah. And any, like, stitches yet?

[Nick]

Well, like, n. There's a couple where it was just. It was very traumatizing for Natalie. There was. There was one situation where there's a lot of blood. She was totally fine. Like, her lip basically got cut. Lots of blood.

[Allison Williams]

Bleeds so much. It's crazy.

[Nick]

And in the few moments where that's happened. Like, it's incredible how, like, calm river gets. So she'll be crying, but she'll, like. You can tell that she notices Natalie's scare.

[Natalie]

She comforts me.

[Allison Williams]

You know what happened to me. We're very similar. Arlo stopped wanting to see me when he got hurt. He didn't want my. He didn't want me looking at him. So there must have been something in my eyes that was making him feel like, I'm already hurt. I can't take care of you. So I started saying to him, like, I don't like when you get hurt, but that's not your job to take care of. I'm gonna take care of myself. And now I need to take care of you first. And we got through it. And now he likes a hug, but sometimes he's very stoic about getting hurt. And then I'll say, can I give you a hug for no reason? And he'll be like, yeah.

[Susie]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie]

For no reason.

[Allison Williams]

He's like, got a little cut. And I'm like, random question. Have nothing to do with the fact that you're crying? Can I give you a hug?

[Nick]

That's hilarious.

[Susie]

Has nothing to do with you or.

[Allison Williams]

Your cut or your feelings. He doesn't like the feeling of crying. He doesn't like the sensation of tears coming out of his eyes. He finds it deeply uncomfortable. And I was like, I wonder if I did too. And now I'm just used to it. Like. Right. Is it a fundamentally uncomfortable experience?

[Susie]

It sounds like you've, like, been able to really instill, like, communication. So maybe he's just, like, really able to communicate and be aware where maybe most kids are, like, experiencing the sensation and they can't communicate it.

[Allison Williams]

He is a. Yes. He's a big time communicator.

[Susie]

Very in tune.

[Allison Williams]

It sounds like, yes, he's a big communicator. We're very. I'm so into it before he goes to bed as a stalling mechanism, but also just because I. And I love it. I always ask him if there's anything on his mind left from the day. Like, any residual. I don't know, like, when I see him, when I walk away on the nanite and I see him just blinking up at the ceiling, I'm like, what are you thinking about? And, like, lately, not for any particular reason, I can't even remember why it came up, but he's become obsessed with, like, the birthing process.

[Natalie]

Oh.

[Allison Williams]

And it's been like, he's almost 4. It's been a Long time. I'm not pregnant again. I haven't had another kid. But he's very into knowing about, like, the umbilical cord and the placenta and contractions. And how does a doctor decide about a C section or a vaginal birth? And. And he asked the most incredibly profound questions about, like, how can the doctor communicate with the baby about whether or not it's gonna hurt? And how can the baby tell the doctor if it's feeling uncomfortable while it's being porn? And I was like, oh, my God, no one talked to you.

[Nick]

So when he does that. Because, like, I don't know. That's our first kid too. Are you, like, you're a genius, obviously. Cause, like, I get. River will say or do something, and I don't know if she's a geni. Just like, she's developing. Here's the thing, you know, she's just normal.

[Allison Williams]

We will never know. I will never know the objective level of genius he is. I will only know them. His mom level of genius is. Which is like, the most nasty from.

[Nick]

A bystander that seems.

[Allison Williams]

I was gonna say having on video. It's incredibly sweet. He's like, impressive. I mean, I film him. Another thing. Just record her talking constantly. Like, during a diaper change. I would just sit there. The phone with the voice memo app going like, next to the. Because they're so chatty when you're changing a diaper or something.

[Mary]

She's.

[Allison Williams]

Girl. She's probably, like, potty trained already.

[Mary]

She's.

[Natalie]

But she's almost.

[Allison Williams]

I mean, it took us a minute. I'm just saying.

[Natalie]

This morning. This morning she's in her crib and we're asleep at 6am and she's going, mama, mama. Which she doesn't really ever call for me in the morning. Nick always gets her in the morning, and I sleep for an extra 10 minutes before she realizes I'm not in the room. And she's going, mama, Mama, mama. So I'm like, what? She must need me. Like, what the heck?

[Allison Williams]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

And I open the door and I'm like, are you okay? And she's like, poo, poo, yuck. And I'm like, okay, got it, Got it. So now I've, like, taught her the difference. And now she knows. And so now she's like, telling me. She's like, mama, I peep.

[Allison Williams]

Cute. I peeped, I peeped. I peed. Oh, my God.

[Natalie]

So, yes. So we're close to potty training, but.

[Allison Williams]

And now that she's so verbal. Can you keep a Notes talk of all the words and the sound effects because they go through so fast. Like, I don't remember when manana became banana, but at least I know that it was at one point manana. Yeah. It's just. It is fast. Although I do feel like we're really soaking it up, which is such a privilege.

[Nick]

I know.

[Natalie]

I thank God for phones, and because I am, I feel like we're able to just capture so much.

[Allison Williams]

What will we do with the approximately 100,000 hours of footage I have of our.

[Susie]

I'm not sure someone's gonna create something I wish to go through. Like, AI will be able to cipher through it, I think. I'm sure it's gonna need to make.

[Natalie]

It like a home video, because there is something so special about, like, a home video.

[Allison Williams]

Although they were so unique that, like, I will never know what I actually was like, because when the camera was out, I was always being a little ham. It's like Schrodinger's baby. Allison.

[Nick]

I know that when I was growing, we had, like, the camcorder. Yeah. And I'm sure they're somewhere. I don't know where, but they're not very accessible.

[Allison Williams]

Like, I. I can't believe ABC didn't make you unearth them at some point.

[Nick]

Come on. Maybe they asked. Maybe they asked.

[Allison Williams]

What if I just quoted a home video?

[Natalie]

Your first word was.

[Allison Williams]

Remember you fell playing soccer when you were seven. You don't remember that?

[Nick]

Are you watching the Golden Bachelor?

[Allison Williams]

I'm behind on the Golden Bachelor.

[Nick]

The. We gave up on it.

[Allison Williams]

You did bailed shots.

[Susie]

I'm five tuning in, technically.

[Allison Williams]

How is it?

[Susie]

It's like, it's okay. I'm having a hard time staying tuned in.

[Allison Williams]

I didn't like his vibe. Like, I was. I was like, I don't know if I'm gonna root for you, but I'm loving it.

[Nick]

He was like, I'm into the 40 year olds.

[Susie]

Yeah.

[Allison Williams]

I hated that.

[Nick]

Which is like.

[Allison Williams]

I was like, have you asked them if they're into you, sir?

[Nick]

Yeah, right.

[Susie]

No, it's so real.

[Nick]

We got a show coming out next year called Age of Attraction.

[Allison Williams]

I have heard about this show.

[Nick]

That's the show for him. Because, like, no shame in your preferences, but, like, you're not giving these ladies a shot.

[Susie]

Right.

[Allison Williams]

Also, like, know your show, know your audience. I was like, this is just a sign of a level of, like, he's not thinking about us, the fans, when he said these things. And that is indicative of certain kind of season that it's going to Be.

[Natalie]

Susie recently went to a, like, brunch with all the golden women.

[Susie]

I have to share a clip with you guys, if that's okay.

[Allison Williams]

Are you What?

[Susie]

Of course it's a little inappropriate, so I hope you're ready, love.

[Allison Williams]

I don't know if you're familiar with my work, but perfect. Just as someone's motorboated my butt on television.

[Annie]

So let's.

[Susie]

Oh, you're gonna love this. So I was going around asking everybody, where's the craziest place you've had sex? And I got some really exciting answers. Some was like the 40 line.

[Nick]

40 yard.

[Susie]

40 yard dash line, whatever. 40 yard. Yes, that of football. I don't know. I guess it was just like, not quite. Yeah, but they did it there. A bathroom. One of the Goldens had joined the mile high club. And an airplane. And then we got like, a really fun answer I want to share with you guys.

[Allison Williams]

I hope it's Kathy.

[Nick]

Who's this Peg. Of course it is.

[Natalie]

What's the craziest place you've had sex?

[Katie]

In the butt.

[Nick]

And she opted in. You said, I'm in where you're at location.

[Mary]

Like, I'm not trying to get that personal with you. I'm so sorry.

[Susie]

I didn't mean to, like, shout out that.

[Nick]

She's like the ear.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Allison Williams]

Answer the question you wanted to be asked. Question you're asked. That's interview 101.

[Mary]

In the butt.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Susie]

So funny. She's the firefighter. She has been like, comedic relief this season. She definitely keeps it interesting.

[Allison Williams]

So do they have chemistry? Does she stand a chance or she's just sticking around? She's funny.

[Susie]

No.

[Mary]

You know what?

[Susie]

But that might be why they have.

[Allison Williams]

Chemistry, like, for the show. Like, she's good itm.

[Susie]

And no, I think that he really digs her. And that's. That's been the vibe I got. But how old is she? You can never tell. I don't. You know what? That's a good question.

[Nick]

I don't know.

[Susie]

She looks fat, though.

[Natalie]

In the butt.

[Allison Williams]

In the butt immediately.

[Susie]

Yeah. So iconic.

[Nick]

What else are you watching these days? Are you watching Salt Lake City? Is that.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Is that accurate?

[Allison Williams]

I just did watch what happens live with Meredith who. Audible gasps. Audible. Yeah. Not to brag. We text like, ooh, I can retire. I think I'm so sick about what. As my voice is coming back, I actually occasionally sound like Angie K to me. To myself a little bit. English wise.

[Nick]

You know what? Honestly? Yeah, I hear.

[Allison Williams]

Yeah. Iconic, by the way. Also for the record. Okay, so Sorry. I got, like, flustered because you brought up Salt Lake City. You invoked the city, Salt Lake City. And I lost control of myself. I started watching the show because I filmed a movie in Salt Lake earlier this year. Or no, what month is it? Yes, earlier this year. And so I was like, just culturally speaking, I should do my research about where I'm gonna be. I, like, destroyed secret lives of Mormon wives. Then I was like, what? What next? And I watched, like, Salt Lake City from season one, Real Housewives. And I've known Andy Cohen for a really long time, like, since I was, like, 22. So 15. 15 years and maybe younger than that. And I have never watched a Bravo show of his.

[Natalie]

Really?

[Allison Williams]

That whole time we've been on vacations together, I've had this man captive on a boat with me for, like, days at a time. And I could have been peppering him questions. The irony that I'm only now discovering.

[Natalie]

Like, he's become so many years.

[Allison Williams]

I was like, andy, you're getting more famous to me, like, by the day. Like, I'm gonna stop being able to talk to you about these shows. So anyway, I went through Salt Lake, and I was like, this is some of the. The best television of all time. Breaking Bad, Real Housewives, Salt Lake City, Mad Men s, The Wire. I was, like, blown away. So then I did. Then I did a little Survivor, which I never watched, but I did, like, a Survivor binge. A couple selected seasons, which I got really into. I also wanted to know, like, the Parvati origin. She's. She fascinates me. And Boston Rob. And then I went to. I was reading a bunch of stuff, stuff about this fellow named Jax. And I was like, who is this Jax Taylor that everyone keeps writing about? And I was like, oh, they keep mentioning a show called the Valley. Let me watch the Valley. So I watched the Valley, and then I was like, what? This is a person in culture that has allowed been allowed to exist in culture. And I was like, I need to know how he came to be, and how long have we known that he is like this? And we let him be here. So I started Vanderpump, episode one season, killed the whole thing, redid the Valley with all my context. And I was like, oh, my God, Dodie.

[Susie]

So I, like, knew everything.

[Allison Williams]

And then Sheena shows up. Sheena, Lala, I know you now.

[Susie]

You're my friends.

[Justin]

Wow.

[Allison Williams]

And then now, per Andy's suggestion, because when I finished Vanderpump, I was like, what do I do? And he was like, new York, season one Go. Yeah, they are in Morocco in season four. Scary island just happened.

[Natalie]

You're in the thick of it. Yeah.

[Allison Williams]

Ramona is behaving weirdly, but that will be true for every season of the show. I think, like, watching Vanderpump from the beginning and having remembered, like, the headlines of Scandal, but not having been a watcher of the show, I was like, every time he and Raquel. Sorry, Rachel. Were in the same space, I was.

[Natalie]

Like, the fact that the headlines didn't even get you to watch.

[Allison Williams]

Isn't that weird? That is weird. I was like, I must educate myself on what happened because it's geopolitically important for a moment.

[Nick]

It was.

[Allison Williams]

It really was.

[Susie]

It was.

[Allison Williams]

And then when Ariana started hosting Love island, which I've watched from the first season in the uk, I was like, who was. Who is this fabulous, beautiful person? Where did you come from? And even that didn't get me to watch it. But I'm busy, you know, it's like, all these Love Islands, all these traitors, all these tests, all the. Like, I watch what's playing while I do everything in my life that doesn't require my full brain.

[Natalie]

I'm so glad that you had time to come here.

[Allison Williams]

Honestly. It's a brief break from New York. I will go right back to watching the show.

[Nick]

If traitors, like, elevated to the point where it was casting actors and musicians and not just your reality tv, TV folk, would you ever be tempted to. To do it?

[Allison Williams]

First of all, I hope they never do that, because we will ruin it really fast. You think? Yes, because you're too publicisty. I say that with love for my own kind, but, like, you guys are doing a craft like, that is fundamentally different and really hard. And to be a version of yourself that is, like, has a protective Persona layer to it, but is also authentically you for so many hours on television is so much harder than anyone can possibly know. We're not ready. We can't. We're not capable of it. I'm serious. It wouldn't be good television. We would just be. We wouldn't take any risks. We don't have an internal sense of, like, how to create storylines. I mean, other than the people in pop culture who have been adjacent to reality tv. Like, think about who makes headlines. Like, yeah, I spend my. I do everything I can to avoid making a headline.

[Nick]

Okay?

[Allison Williams]

We're just, like, allergic to it. If I had to, like, generate my own storyline, I would just be at a loss. It would go against all my instincts. So I don't think it's a good idea. I want Mary Cosby in the turret so badly. I can't. She already dresses like she's filming the traitors. She dresses. Her clothing is so Scotland coated.

[Annie]

So true.

[Allison Williams]

She needs to be up there. I need to. She would never wear the hood, but it's fine.

[Natalie]

I need her. Yeah. Around the round table, like, arguing with people about why she's not a traitor.

[Allison Williams]

I want to know how she feels about peacocks. Like, I was hoping, by the way, that episode of Salt Lake was so, so traitor. I was like, this feels like a crossover already. It's making me easier for me to imagine Mary there. Would you do it?

[Nick]

Yeah, I want to do it. I've been asked every season. Couldn't cause a schedule. Last season, I said yes, temporarily. Then we got the Age of Attraction opportunity, and it was. It overlapped. Yeah. Someday. It is tough. I mean, I said yes, but then it was like, I don't. I'm not that interested in being away from river for, like, three weeks.

[Allison Williams]

It does feel long. Everyone falls apart by the end for that reason.

[Nick]

You know, the most has been without her was like, three days.

[Allison Williams]

Could you guys not go and stay in the. Cause they don't stay in that house. They stay in a hotel.

[Susie]

Right.

[Allison Williams]

Could you go maybe?

[Nick]

But, like, you know, they didn't ask the first season.

[Allison Williams]

Okay.

[Nick]

The second season, they asked and I said no. This is before Natty was, like, part of the show, and I was like, I'm. I can too. Like, I can't leave the show. You know, we're like a daily show. And then I said yes when I did, because I was like, oh, my wife's got this. You know, like, she. I can. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Everyone in the comments are like, no.

[Nick]

So I'm like, I could peace out for a couple weeks. So, like, feasible. Yeah, it's feasible. So. But if she came with, you know, that changes. It'd be tough. So someday. Someday I'll have the opportunity.

[Allison Williams]

If you were on the show to do that, would you be on the show? There was a couple in one of the seasons and maybe New Zealand.

[Natalie]

I think they did it together.

[Allison Williams]

Yeah. I wouldn't tell anyone, though. It was very stupid, strategically.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

That doesn't make any sense. Like Alarsa and Michael.

[Nick]

My dream for Natalie is to get her on Dancing with the Stars.

[Allison Williams]

Let's put it out there.

[Susie]

That would be iconic.

[Natalie]

You know anyone?

[Allison Williams]

I don't know if I'm like, do I know anyone I know? Yeah, it's just. It's in your. It's in your control. Would you want to do it as well?

[Natalie]

I think I would, yeah. I mean, I. I think I would. I'd want to do anything anyone offered. Like, hey, I want to do only fans, please.

[Allison Williams]

Anything anyone's offered sponsorship.

[Susie]

Do you have a dance background?

[Natalie]

I don't have a dance background, no.

[Susie]

I feel like you'd be good though, because you give off that I have.

[Natalie]

A TikTok dance background.

[Allison Williams]

Honestly, I have never and could never and cannot and can't figure out how to do it. The way you guys dance. Like you don't care, but it's perfect. Is so something I'm just not never going to be capable of. I'm too much of a try hard. I'm a try hard type. But you're also a tick tock genius. What are you even talking about? But that kind of, like casual dancing where it's still like perfect.

[Nick]

Flowy.

[Allison Williams]

Yeah. You look bored. Like, I've never been able to, like, look bored. Like, I'm just not bored ever. Like, I can't muster that level of cool.

[Susie]

I'm really locked in.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

It's so impressive.

[Allison Williams]

Even like Whitney from Mormon Wives. Like, I would never assume that she can pull that off because she also cares. Like, she's a headband wearer, but she can do it.

[Susie]

I don't know.

[Allison Williams]

I'm in awe. I'm so impressed.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Are you watching Dancing the Stars?

[Allison Williams]

I've never watched Dancing with Stars.

[Susie]

Really? It's really fun to get into.

[Natalie]

It is fun. I mean, the clips, you know, watch clips. Are you.

[Susie]

Are you in town, though? Like, you should go tomorrow when they film. You should go in person.

[Allison Williams]

Oh, the New York.

[Nick]

It's a marathon.

[Allison Williams]

In person.

[Susie]

It's really fun.

[Nick]

The show, the tape, the live show.

[Allison Williams]

I'm sure they all.

[Nick]

We try to go once a season possibly to, like, you know, say hi to old friends, but it's a bit of a marathon.

[Allison Williams]

Do you. They seat everyone that's recognizable in one place. I'm guessing it's certainly a front row.

[Natalie]

Do you have to wait for the.

[Allison Williams]

Full taping or can you sneak in and out?

[Natalie]

No, you have to stay for the full taping.

[Nick]

I mean, I guess if you left.

[Natalie]

But when we were there last week, it was dedication night and they had Elaine Hendricks, right. Dancing with Chanttrap with Lisa. Dennis Quaid and Dennis Quaid. And they danced everlasting love. It was very parent trap coded and was very nostalgic.

[Allison Williams]

Struggling to handle this, but I. I know, I'm sorry.

[Mary]

I did not.

[Natalie]

I didn't. Yeah, it was my fault. I didn't.

[Annie]

I actually have one silly question for you.

[Allison Williams]

Oh, my God. I was hoping you would ask me something.

[Susie]

She had a whole game ready staring.

[Allison Williams]

At you longingly across the room.

[Annie]

Well, you guys were having a really nice conversation. I didn't want to interrupt, but who do you think would win in a fight? Megan or Angie Katanevas?

[Nick]

Oh, my God.

[Allison Williams]

Great question.

[Natalie]

I love that you're thinking really hard about this.

[Mary]

Really hard.

[Allison Williams]

Yeah, I'm stuck on their hair right now.

[Nick]

For her heart or her business?

[Allison Williams]

Listen, Soup man black cards. Did she say Megan wins in any setup? Because she is the Internet and like, it's not a fair fight, but Angie is a. A worthy foe. I'm just saying.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Annie]

What about Nick? Do you think Megan.

[Allison Williams]

Nick versus Megan? Yeah, I thought you were like, Nick versus.

[Nick]

I'll let her have it.

[Allison Williams]

No, I know. No offense. I know she would win that. Megan just wins in any. Like, she even v. Annabelle. Like, she just. She has Chucky. Yeah, Chucky. Like a problematic man.

[Nick]

Jack Sailor.

[Allison Williams]

Let's just say Chucky and Jack Sailor don't have. They have some.

[Nick]

They're never in the same room.

[Natalie]

They're never in the same room.

[Allison Williams]

Yeah, Megan's. She's pretty unstoppable. You guys, I don't want this. And I had questions for you guys. Oh, well, I. Maybe can I invite myself back?

[Nick]

Whenever you want.

[Allison Williams]

My voice will sound better.

[Natalie]

I kind of like it like this.

[Allison Williams]

Should I keep it?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Allison Williams]

Should I just make sure I yell as much as Angie K. Yells for your hot days like this?

[Nick]

They should press preference by letting people know you have a bit of a.

[Allison Williams]

Cold rather than it's not even a cold. I would not do that to you guys. Because you're already sexy voice. No, it's just. I feel like 100 healthy. I just have this voice during a press tour, which is the coolest thing my body's ever done to me. It's crazy. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Well, regretting you is out in theaters on Friday. Everyone can see it. Check it out. I'm so excited.

[Nick]

Thanks for coming. Thank you.

[Allison Williams]

Thank you for having me. You guys, like, you've entertained me for so many hours of my life. I'm so grateful.

[Nick]

Well, anytime you're on a press tour or when you're not on press tour.

[Allison Williams]

Literally will just like come by.

[Nick]

Come. Come do like a episode with me one day. Do you ever let the ask Nick episodes where we give dating advice to people obsessed with them come via special guests. We had Dylan Efron do it.

[Allison Williams]

I know.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mary]

The.

[Allison Williams]

The sleuthiest sleuth.

[Nick]

All right, well, you promise?

[Allison Williams]

I swear to God.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Allison Williams]

Love it.

[Nick]

Allison Williams, everybody.

[Natalie]

Alison Williams.

[Allison Williams]

Thank you, guys.

[Nick]

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[Natalie]

What die for her, honestly.

[Nick]

Yeah. And we love a fan meeting.

[Natalie]

We love meeting a fan.

[Mary]

I loved her.

[Annie]

That was really fun.

[Natalie]

It's like when people are like, I love supporting small creators when they're the first comment.

[Nick]

When it's in Allison Williams, I'm always like, why do you listen to our show?

[Susie]

You already have everything figured out and like you're just iconic and you know everything.

[Natalie]

Iconic.

[Susie]

Yeah, truly.

[Natalie]

Wow.

[Susie]

That was cool.

[Nick]

That was flattering.

[Justin]

That was fun.

[Annie]

Did Allison Williams know who I don't know. I can't tell you. Yeah.

[Mary]

Yes, she did.

[Nick]

She clearly listened to our show.

[Susie]

She literally.

[Nick]

She was a fan.

[Susie]

Yes.

[Natalie]

To ask her a question.

[Susie]

She's like, I've been looking at you this whole time.

[Annie]

I was nervous.

[Mary]

Me too.

[Susie]

I got nervous as soon as she.

[Annie]

That's Marnie Michaels.

[Natalie]

That's really, literally.

[Annie]

That was cool.

[Nick]

Well, that will wrap up this episode of Reality Recap. Thank you to our guest, Allison Williams. Be sure to check out her movie which is out on Friday. Regretting you. I know all you ladies. Bring your man that will want to watch it. It's honestly, I saw it. It's great. It's a tear jerker.

[Susie]

Yeah, it's good stuff.

[Allison Williams]

He feels a lot.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Don't forget to tune in. Tomorrow's Going Deeper. Brooke Schofield is our guest and it's definitely an episode you are not going to want to miss. Especially if you have been a fan of hers and the canceled podcast. It is definitely a real true blue. Going Deeper. That's tomorrow. Don't forget to check us out on Friday. And again, don't forget to all you potential daters out there, if you're interested in being matched with potentially the love of your life and having that being filmed, check out our Instagram or our website to fill out our casting call. Who knows, could could change your life. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye. Bye. Hey guys, if you love what you listen to, make sure you hit that subscribe button below. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next time. Morning, Zoe. Got donuts.

[Susie]

Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage?

[Nick]

Well, I dig the mattress and I want to be in a T mobile commercial like you. Teach me. So, Dana.

[Susie]

Oh no, I'm not really prepared.

[Nick]

I couldn't possibly at t mobile get.

[Susie]

The new iPhone 17 Pro on them.

[Allison Williams]

It's designed to be the most powerful.

[Susie]

Iphone yet and has the ultimate pro camera system.

[Nick]

Wow, impressive. Let me try. T mobile is the best place to get iPhone 17 Pro because they've got the best network.

[Natalie]

Nice.

[Susie]

Jeffrey, you heard them.

[Nick]

T mobile is the best place to get the new iPhone 17 Pro on us with eligible trade in in any condition. So what are we having for launch?

[Susie]

Dude, my work here is done.

[Nick]

Build credits on experience beyond for well qualified customers plus tax and $35 device connection charge credit sending balance due if you pay off earlier. Cancel Finance Agreement. IPhone 17 Pro 256 gigs $1,099.99 and new line minimum 100 plus a month plan with auto pay plus taxes and fees required. Best mobile network in the US based on analysis by Oaklove Speed Test Intelligence data 1H2025 visit t mobile.com.