E1023 - Shawn Johnson & Andrew East, RHOC, Wife Swap, Married At First Sight & Taylor Frankie Paul’s New Men

Summary

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The Viall Files – Episode 1023 Summary

Guests: Shawn Johnson & Andrew East
Date: October 28, 2025
Theme: Parenting, relationships, Special Forces reality TV, and fun banter on reality shows and pop culture.

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Overview

In this lively Reality Recap edition, Nick Viall and his co-hosts, including his wife Natalie Joy, are joined by Olympic gold medalist Shawn Johnson and her husband Andrew East. The core interview dives into Shawn and Andrew’s experience on Special Forces, parenting hacks, marital dynamics, and the quirks of modern life. The latter part of the episode is packed with witty and analytical commentary on Wife Swap, Married at First Sight, Taylor Frankie Paul’s alleged Bachelorette suitors, and the juiciest gossip from The Real Housewives of Orange County.
Tone: Warm, self-deprecating, playful, and honest.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Parenting Hacks & Baby Email Legacy (03:12 - 09:00)

• Natalie’s Email for Her Daughter: Natalie created an email account for River so friends and family can send her letters and photos she'll read when she’s older.
  • “I made her this email account … people can send her like, letters, attach photos, and … one day ... she can, like, go through her own email address and ... read what was going on in her life.” — Natalie [03:15]
• Group discusses the struggles of tracking mementos and moves towards digital keepsakes.
• Nick jokes about writing River an email after a rough night without her pacifier:
  • “You were a real P-I-T-C-H last night.” — Nick [04:36]

2. Modern Tech Shortcuts (09:01 - 11:00)

• Fun sidebar about using ChatGPT for deciphering LA parking signs (Justin) and plant health (Sierra).
• General consensus: Survival as a parent is partly about leveraging tech.

3. Guest Catch-Up – Shawn Johnson & Andrew East (19:53 - 52:44)

A. How They Met and Their Dynamic (24:57 - 26:09)

• Blind date backstory: Set up by Andrew’s Olympic cyclist brother at Vanderbilt, where Shawn enrolled because of Andrew.

  • “So you picked him over Stanford?” — Nick [25:27]
  • “I did.” — Shawn [25:29]

• Competitive Dynamics:

  • Shawn: Super competitive, will “cut your throat and win.”
  • Andrew: “I’m here for a good time, I’m just the vibe.” [22:46]

B. Special Forces Stories (26:09 - 52:44)

• Pre-show Training: Shawn’s athletic intensity made a big impression on Andrew:

  • “Her intensity and focus was like, oh my gosh ... why she is one of the greatest gymnasts of all time.” — Andrew [24:12]

• Reality Check: Physical and emotional hardships exceeded expectations.

  • “At the end of day one, my body was shutting down.” — Andrew [28:26]

• Food, Sleep, and Survival:

  • They lost weight, ate terrible food, “hard-boiled eggs were my jam” (Shawn), Nick laments his runny eggs.
  • “They didn’t give you water for 24 hours?” — Nick

• Napping Superpowers:

  • “I actually think it’s my best quality: I can sleep anywhere.” — Andrew [31:02]

• Empathy & Bonding: Despite strong personalities and controversial fellow participants (e.g., Cody from Sister Wives, Tom Sandoval, Jussie Smollett), the environment fosters camaraderie and empathy.

  • “Everyone has redemptive qualities ... if you lose that hope ... that’s a sad life.” — Andrew [48:22]

• Parenting and Traveling on Reality TV:

  • Kids’ personalities reflect Shawn’s and Andrew’s; their advice for traveling with multiple young kids: start early, “Just do it, introduce them to it.” No shame in iPads on long flights.

• Internet & Criticism: Andrew reframes online criticism as feedback for self-improvement.

  • “If my goal is to be the best husband ... having access to all these different perspectives is actually really helpful.” — Andrew [54:11]
  • Nick recommends detachment:
    • “Their opinions of me are not my business.” — Nick [55:41]

C. Notable Quotes & Fun Moments

• "Sean ... will cut your throat and she will win. I'm like, I'm here for a good time. I'm just like, the vibe." — Andrew [22:46]
• “They wanted Sean so bad, they’re like, what if we let Andrew do it too?” — Andrew [24:49]
• “Dude, I lost 17 pounds!” — Andrew (on the food) [44:40]
• “The real challenge is parenting, not Special Forces.” — Paraphrasing Shawn/Nick [30:28-30:41]
• “You attract more bees with honey…” — Nick [37:38]
• “If I don’t put up a no soliciting sign, Nick tries to sell things back to the solicitors.” — Natalie [38:27]

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4. Reality TV & Pop Culture Roundup

A. Taylor Frankie Paul’s Bachelorette Men Revealed (63:49 - 72:47)

• Cosmopolitan leaked her suitors.
• Panel picks favorites and riffs on TikTok influencer types, private Instagram accounts, controversies over age, and the “right reasons.”
• Fun theorizing and speculation about backstories (“he’s definitely had a SoundCloud rap career”, “he’s the hot neighbor”, etc.)

B. DWTS Ticket Giveaway Fiasco (74:29 - 78:20)

• Whitney and Mark tried to give away tickets for votes, but shut down by the network due to contest/voting rules.
• Panel concludes it was probably an innocent influencer-style mistake, laments history of online giveaways that turn scammy.

C. Real Housewives Drama Digest (78:20 – 86:44)

• Garcelle vs. Sutton (RHOBH):
  • Fallout over loyalty and “picking sides.”
  • Nick’s take: “You don’t get to claim you’re my great friend if your response is, ‘Well, I fuck with them because they haven’t done anything to me.’ That’s not the point.” [81:44]
• RHOC Rapid Recap:
  • Stoned Shannon, shrooms, horse anatomy gags, passive-aggressive gift giving, “fake” friendships, social media drama.
  • “No one says what the posts are, but Gina said Heather’s gonna have a problem with that.” — Natalie [83:02]

D. Wife Swap: Housewives Edition & Married at First Sight (86:44 – 93:04)

• Wife Swap gets emotional and authentic—Angie K. from Salt Lake City swaps with a homesteading mom.
  • “It was heartwarming and sweet.” — Natalie [87:54]
• Married at First Sight (now on Peacock) praised for its higher success rate and authenticity compared to Bachelor Nation.
  • “...if you’re looking for a jaw dropping show... check this out.” — Nick [93:04]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:12 | Natalie’s Baby Email & Digital Parenting Keepsakes | | 19:53 | Shawn Johnson & Andrew East join the podcast | | 24:57 | How They Met – Vanderbilt vs. Stanford Story | | 26:09 | Special Forces: Prepping, Toughest Moments, and Food Fails | | 37:38 | “You attract more bees with honey” – relationship insights | | 54:11 | Handling Internet Criticism & Social Media Burnout | | 63:49 | Taylor Frankie Paul’s Bachelorette Men – Review & Hype | | 74:29 | DWTS ‘Bribery’ Giveaway Fiasco Analyzed | | 78:20 | RHOBH/RHOC – Friendship Loyalty Debates & Social Media Drama | | 86:44 | Wife Swap: Housewives Edition Recap | | 88:33 | Married at First Sight—Praise and Pop Culture Analysis |

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Memorable Moments & Quotes

• Shawn on Training:
  • “Her intensity and focus … I finally understood why she is one of the greatest gymnasts of all time.” — Andrew [24:12]
• Nick on Reality TV Camaraderie:
  • “…if you have any, those redeeming qualities are forced to come out. …it’s nice to see people in those elements.” [49:02]
• Andrew on Internet Haters:
  • “You can use online criticism as a gut check. …Maybe they were right; I’ll do better next time.” [54:11]
• Nick on Friendship:
  • “You don’t get to claim you’re my great friend if … you say, ‘Well, I fuck with them because they haven’t done anything to me.’ That’s not the point.” [81:44]
• Panel on RHOC Party:
  • “Gina, shut up, Gina.” — Natalie [84:18]
  • “Gretchen apparently has liked really gross posts on Instagram. No one says what the posts are.” — Natalie [83:02]

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Tone & Takeaways

• Relatable, unfiltered humor: The hosts and guests oscillate between insightful relationship advice, light roast humor, and candid parenting fails.
• Human side to reality TV: The segment with Shawn and Andrew underscores the vulnerability, real hardship, and unexpected kinship cultivated on shows like Special Forces.
• Modern parenting and life hacks: Digital time capsules, tech use, and open discussion of failures and successes.
• Reality TV analysis: The podcast shines in peeling back the layers of “reality” in reality TV — both as entertainment and as social experiment.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

• Expect laughs, behind-the-scenes glimpses of reality star life, and frank discussions about parenting and relationships.
• Shawn Johnson and Andrew East set a powerful but approachable example of teamwork — both marital and competitive.
• The show’s roundtable maintains a snappy, lighthearted vibe, peppered with meme-worthy quotes and modern life reality checks.

To sum up:
If you’re interested in the realities behind reality TV, honest takes on modern parenting, and what happens when pop culture personalities let their guards down, this episode is a must-listen.

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[For further info, visit The Viall Files. Don’t miss their Going Deeper episode with Brittany Bateman (Real Housewives of Salt Lake City)!]

Transcript

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[Shawn Johnson]

You'Re crazy.

[Nick Vile]

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap Edition. I'm your host Nick, joined by my Beautiful wife. We have the in studio in la and boy, we are excited for today's episode. We got some great guests. Shawn Johnson, Olympic gold medalist, and her husband, Andrew east are with us today. Excited to talk with them. They obviously are on Special Forces as a couple. Just one of the dynamic duos on Special Forces this year. They're a fun couple. I've gotten to know them a little bit and we are excited for them to join us. Also, Taylor, Frankie, Paul's. It's not her actual man. It's like her suspected men is. Does Bachelor keep taking my ideas that I. I'm giving them.

[Natalie]

I think this happens every year. And it's like somebody who's like, well, usually they could be.

[Nick Vile]

They announce, like, the actual cast.

[Natalie]

No, no, no. But they do the same thing.

[Nick Vile]

How many men did they release?

[Mary]

There's, like, 26.

[Sierra]

Wait, Natalie, were you telling me that I should make something earlier?

[Natalie]

Yes, Leah, I was telling you that I saw this idea somewhere. I'm sure. But I made a email account for river and I, like, gave it to friends and family so that they could. And then I wrote her one last night that people can send her, like, letters, attach photos, and, like, one day she'll be old enough to where she can, like, go through her own email address and, like, read what was going on in her life. October 26, 2025. What was going on on her fourth birthday? Like, what the vibe was. Because, like, I made a book for her first year of life. And then I feel like after the first year, you're just, like, in crazy toddler world, and you're like, oh, my God, I don't have time to, like, sit down and write. You have story. So I was like, I made her this email account and I sent it to, like, my family group message. I sent it to my best friends, and I'm like, if you ever think about her, if you ever have time, like, you should write her a letter and you should do it for Louis. It'd be so sweet.

[Sierra]

Wait, I'm definitely gonna do that because I feel like people, like, wrote him cards for, like, his birthday or whatever, and I'm just not someone who, like, is good at holding on to things. Like, I put them all in, like, a box. But, like, that sounds so much easier.

[Natalie]

To keep track of.

[Nick Vile]

Natalie told me yesterday that I need to write river, too. And then I was like, I'll write her on her birthdays, but after last night, I'm going to write her a letter and tell her that she was. I'm really mad at her.

[Natalie]

No, that's.

[Justin]

Listen, honestly, you should. That would be good.

[Nick Vile]

You really. You were a real p I T C H last night. Well, we.

[Natalie]

Listen, I randomly. On Saturday, I randomly was like, you know what? I think I should take her binky away. And she only has ever used it for nap times. Like, even when she started having a binky. Like, I was very strict on like, I'm like, we're not just going to be sucking on this throughout the day. Like, only when you are going to sleep. Because she, like, I would tell if she had it in her mouth. She just like, would not speak. And so I felt like, oh, my God, you are going to be mute. So anyways, I can tell she's. She has a little pacifier mouth, which is, you know, so cute, whatever. But I'm like, you know, maybe it's time I just go ahead and get ahead of the curve. And so randomly on Saturday, I was like, let me just see if she goes down easy on her nap without her binky. And honestly, she went down great. So then I was like, okay, let's try nighttime. And yesterday was our second night doing it. Nighttime's a little bit harder. She definitely falls asleep. But then she is just like, she wakes up in the middle of the night and she, like, cannot soothe herself because usually she would wake up and like, find a binky and put it in her mouth and fall back asleep, but now she's like, up. And Nick went up to get her at what? Four?

[Nick Vile]

Four. Yeah.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Nick Vile]

And she just doesn't. I'm like, I'm. I'm. I'm like, in zombie world right now. Yeah. And then, you know, she points like, first I'll try to soothe her. If she's like, kind of in a daze, I can put her back to bed. If she's like, up, up. She, like, wants us. She wants me to take her down to the bed. So I. I picked her up and tried to soothe her and she's like, ner ner ner ner. And so then I bring her down, but then we bring her in bed and now she, like, she can't get settled because she doesn't have her. So she's just tossing and turning and kicking and like, she's kind of ready to get up. So then I brought her back upstairs and I'm rocking with her and I'm holding her and I'm. She kind of fell back to sleep for a hot second, but she's never really getting settled. And then I put her down and I went back in the chair and I was like. And then she's standing, and then she's like, up, data, up data. And it was just like. That was an hour and a half of that. So I'm going to email her.

[Leia]

Did she win the battle?

[Nick Vile]

No.

[Sierra]

No. At a certain point, you just accept your fate, and it's just like, I'm up.

[Nick Vile]

Thank God Natalie's mom's in town and she's helping us out right now.

[Natalie]

So, yeah, this is honestly a great time to do this because I'm like, my mom's in town, so if River's up at, like, 5:45, 6:00am, I just text my mom, being like, she's up, please come get her. And the next night we'll sleep for another hour. That's so nice. I know, but it's a. It's a scary, scary endeavor that we're on here.

[Justin]

Natalie, you're going to be paying for that, like, premium Google Drive subscription at, like, age 5 for her.

[Sierra]

She's going to have hundreds of emails to read.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. Like, let's not get carried away here because, like, if she reads like me, she's going to be like, oh, my God.

[Natalie]

I think she would love it if I could go back and read emails that, like, my grandparents who are no longer with us sent me. Or, like, my mom's, like, best friend who, like, was like an aunt to me, but maybe they lost touch. I don't know.

[Nick Vile]

Honestly, AI will allow it to put it, like, in our voices so they can just, like, read it to her.

[Justin]

Oh, that's true.

[Sierra]

Like an audiobook.

[Shawn Johnson]

That'd be cool.

[Justin]

Natalie, you have to be careful with the attachments because if it fills up, like, the storage, it'll start deleting or stop accepting.

[Natalie]

Okay, Geek Squad. Justin. Like, what?

[Justin]

Just giving you pointers for the future.

[Leia]

Okay.

[Natalie]

But I feel like they're all going to be lost in the cloud. Like, I'm going to be like, oh, I screenshotted this photo of you in your crib at 20 months old. Let me try to find it. Like, what? That's true now. I just sent it to her in an email. I was like, this is you right when I laid you down in your crib second night. No, Binks. And I gave her the whole synopsis.

[Sierra]

What was the first email, I assume from you?

[Natalie]

It was from me. And it was me last night telling her how I took her binky away and she's sleeping in her crib without her binky. And I attached a photo because I gave her Like a little rubber horse. Like a little farm animal. Rubber horse toy. Because I felt like she just needed something to either hold or just, like, put in her mouth. And she kind of, like, chewed on it for a second, and then she fell asleep, like, holding it. And so I attached the photo of her holding the horn.

[Sierra]

That's really cute.

[Nick Vile]

I know.

[Sierra]

Oh, I love this idea. I'm gonna do it. Thank you for the idea.

[Justin]

Well, Geek Squad, Justin has another suggestion for the people that live in LA or a city, any city. I don't use ChatGPT except when I'm parking in LA. And we all know that LA signs, there's, like, 10 different blocks of light right now.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Mary]

None of them make any sense.

[Justin]

And you go from top to bottom, and every single sign negates the other one.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Justin]

So you don't understand it. But what I do now is I screen. Like, I take a picture of it, and then I message ChatGPT and I go, can I park here? And it tells you yes or not.

[Natalie]

That is smart.

[Justin]

It works. It helps you because they ticket you out here and it's expensive.

[Leia]

Do you use it for other things like that with questions that you have about.

[Justin]

No, because it's not that serious. Just when it comes to parking, I'm like, this is too much brain power to understand five signs.

[Sierra]

I use it all the time. Whenever, like, my plant doesn't look so hot, I'll take a picture of it and put it into ChatGPT and be like, what's wrong with my plant?

[Natalie]

Does it usually just respond with like, need some water?

[Sierra]

No, actually, I had, like, tiny bugs that didn't look like bugs. They don't look like bugs. They're just, like, little brown things on the leaves and they don't crawl around. And I was like, these are bugs. And I literally took my plant, I put it outside, and I was like. And I, like, scraped off each one, and I saved. I did save the plant, thanks.

[Natalie]

To be honest, that's why I don't do houseplants.

[Justin]

There's.

[Natalie]

You're just, like, giving things to grow and build a home.

[Sierra]

And I committed to the indoor plant thing before I had a kid, and now I'm just like, oh, my God, I have to water these. Like, I have so many, and I have to go through it every week. And I'm just like, oh, my God.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, we had. We had a plant wall.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Vile]

Outside.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

And.

[Sierra]

Oh, yeah, you guys.

[Nick Vile]

For like, a while. And yeah. Two weeks later, I was like, fuck this shit. We Replaced with candles.

[Natalie]

So many things to water. And then it became like a bug infestation because everything's, like, wet and mo. Moist, and there's just bugs flying around. Like living in the.

[Nick Vile]

Just attracted mosquitoes.

[Natalie]

It was awful.

[Justin]

But it also brings you more oxygen in the house.

[Nick Vile]

Well, it was outside.

[Natalie]

Well, Nick takes that off anyways.

[Mary]

I love a house plant. It really makes me in my. In my apartment that I really try with three other roommates to not look like a college dorm room.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, the plant. This fixes that problem for sure.

[Mary]

Plants really do, like, pull a lot.

[Natalie]

It elevates.

[Mary]

Yeah, it does elevate. We. We do look like we're not in college. We do look like we're just in our 20s.

[Leia]

You look like you can keep something alive.

[Nick Vile]

I think if you have more than one roommate, It's. It's. It's hard not to look like college.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Yeah, we're doing our best.

[Nick Vile]

Hey, listen, it's. It's all you can do.

[Justin]

Mary.

[Shawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Wait.

[Sierra]

Mary, how was your party?

[Mary]

Oh, guys, my party rocked. Justin can attest. Justin was there.

[Leia]

I saw your costume.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Leia]

So good.

[Mary]

Lisa. Rinna.

[Justin]

Sexy Lisa.

[Andrew East]

Rinna.

[Mary]

Sexy Lisa.

[Natalie]

Rinna. Sexy Lisa. Rinna.

[Leia]

Is it you and your bestie that were Harry Hamlin?

[Mary]

Harry Hamlin. I don't. Yeah, I don't a picture of her as Harry Hamlin, But I will find one eventually. But I will.

[Natalie]

Y' all didn't take one together? A photo together?

[Mary]

We did. I just. I texted everyone and asked for pictures, and no one has sent them to me yet, which is rude.

[Justin]

It was a Vile Files reunion, though. Everybody was there.

[Mary]

Everyone was there.

[Sierra]

I wasn't there. I wasn't there.

[Mary]

Leia wasn't there. Sierra wasn't there. Allison wasn't there. Derek wasn't there. But everyone else was there.

[Justin]

So half the team wasn't there.

[Mary]

Team wasn't there. But the homies that showed up, showed up.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Vile]

Is that you, Mary?

[Mary]

You know? Yeah.

[Justin]

Okay, Walk. And I told Mary said, put the cleavage away.

[Mary]

I'm sorry, you did say put the girls away.

[Natalie]

Put it away.

[Mary]

But an amazing thing happened to me that I think you guys would find funny. I. So I put on press on nails, right? So I have my little nails on. I have, like, my full beat lashes, everything. I'm feeling gorgelina. Okay? And I go to open up a topo Chico Seltzer, and I can't because I have nails. And then I was like. And then immediately my boy roommate and my roommate's boyfriend were both like, oh, we can get that for you.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Justin]

See?

[Mary]

And I was like, the power woman.

[Natalie]

This is what the power girl is for.

[Mary]

All the people out there that don't think I'm a real girl. I was the other night.

[Nick Vile]

And it rocks.

[Natalie]

Give her some nails and some cleavage and she's a real girl.

[Nick Vile]

Well, speaking of real girl, we have Brittany Bateman on this week for an amazing episode of Going Deeper. For all you housewife fans out there, this is an episode you do not want to miss.

[Natalie]

It's really good.

[Nick Vile]

Really?

[Sierra]

Even if you're not a housewife fan.

[Nick Vile]

I mean, yeah, it's a great episode.

[Sierra]

She's incredible.

[Nick Vile]

She's a fascinating woman. And we real. We really get behind the curtain of who is Brittany Bateman? And it is enjoyable. Couple new shows before we get to our guest, Shawn Johnson and Andrew East. I know we're gonna obviously talk about Real Housewives of O.C. later this episode, but housewife swap. Whatever.

[Mary]

Housewife. Wife swap.

[Justin]

No wife swap. Housewives.

[Mary]

I love it.

[Nick Vile]

I love it.

[Natalie]

It's so good.

[Nick Vile]

It's. It's so good.

[Leia]

It's so good.

[Nick Vile]

It's awesome.

[Mary]

I teared up.

[Nick Vile]

It's great. Angie Canineva was our premier housewife.

[Natalie]

And what. Honestly, what better woman to open up? I know it was supposed to be windy at first, but like, Angie, really, she just arms, you know, bag that.

[Nick Vile]

That was crazy.

[Leia]

That was crazy.

[Mary]

Cutting the fish.

[Nick Vile]

We'll get into that later. Also, married at First Sight is out streaming on Peacock. And I took a peek and if you thought love is blind was wild, these getting literally married. I have questions. I mean, the history of the show. They have 11 successful couples still together, 13 babies. 13 babies. That's a better track record than the Bachelor.

[Leia]

Well, it does say it's 19 seasons.

[Nick Vile]

I don't care. Bachelor has 19 seasons. More than 19 seasons. I mean, you combine the Bachelorette and the Bachelor, they're going on 40 plus seasons.

[Mary]

Yeah. It's like the voice of reality TV.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Leia]

I'm just saying, five couples per season.

[Nick Vile]

I don't give a fuck.

[Natalie]

Okay. Sierra.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. Why are you knocking it down?

[Leia]

Getting married the first is such a crazy concept.

[Natalie]

We're see each other for five years. By the way, my name is Natalie.

[Leia]

I just feel it's hard for me. This one's hard for me. I'm sorry.

[Mary]

They're set up by. What are the match? Professional matchmakers.

[Leia]

Professional matchmakers?

[Nick Vile]

No, they have like a psychologist, a marriage counselor, you know, like some real. Some real smarty pants.

[Mary]

Yeah, I think that's what other I was like, oh, it's crazy that I did. I have a hard time suspending my disbelief for these kinds of shows, but merit at first sight, once they were like, yeah, we're professional matchmakers and we take this really seriously and we want them to succeed. I'm like, oh, sold.

[Nick Vile]

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[Nick Vile]

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[Nick Vile]

Sean, Andrew, welcome to the show.

[Shawn Johnson]

Thanks for having us.

[Andrew East]

I'm so excited for this.

[Natalie]

We're so excited.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

We've known each other. I've known you what, seven years now?

[Nick Vile]

Has it been that long?

[Shawn Johnson]

Bohemian Rhapsody.

[Nick Vile]

That's. Oh, my God, I forgot about that. Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

Where he rode the bus all around la.

[Nick Vile]

I do remember that.

[Andrew East]

And I use the tune. No, very loosely. Okay, lose use that term loosely. But we found ourselves in West Hollywood at like this Queen concert.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, it was like some kind of act like, social media brand deal in my solo days. Because this, you know, this was when there were a lot of days where I was like, what's the point? Yeah, I gotta stop showing, like, it's weird, like being the former bachelor. And I felt like I had two choices. Yeah, just look like a dirty showing up with a new girl every. Every event, you know, because I wasn't in any committed relationship or just look desperately alone. And I chose the latter.

[Mary]

Yep.

[Nick Vile]

So.

[Natalie]

Yeah, and then thank God you did, honestly.

[Nick Vile]

And then my introverted, awkward self, you know, I'd go to these events and I'd just be like, oh, God, here we go. Yeah, I remember meeting you there. Yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah.

[Andrew East]

Anyway, now we are.

[Justin]

Here we are.

[Natalie]

He told me that you invited him to work out and he was gonna say no. And then we started watching. Our friend Victoria Fuller was over and she was like, I didn't know you were in Dancing with the Stars. So we pulled up his, like, little quick every dance, and he was in amazing shape. And we were like, what the hell? Like, go tell Andrew. Never mind, I'm on my way.

[Nick Vile]

And then I was like, I'm gonna show you more. I went back and went back to the old Instagram and it really was like a fuck.

[Andrew East]

I really need to get back.

[Nick Vile]

I really?

[Shawn Johnson]

Like, wait, what season were you on?

[Nick Vile]

17. 2017. Who's your partner? Peter Murgatroy.

[Mary]

Oh, wow.

[Nick Vile]

Shot Jennings won the opposite of Thailand. Harding.

[Natalie]

Oh, Nancy.

[Nick Vile]

She was on my season. We got eliminated together. She was a sweetheart. Who else was on?

[Natalie]

They eliminated two at the same time.

[Nick Vile]

It was a double elimination that week.

[Shawn Johnson]

Wow.

[Nick Vile]

Were you on it? Yeah. Yeah. Did you win?

[Shawn Johnson]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Andrew East]

And then they did an All Star season, and she was on that.

[Nick Vile]

They've done an All Star season.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Did you win that?

[Shawn Johnson]

I should have. I came in second, which I think was trash.

[Natalie]

Is there anything you do that you don't win?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Leia]

Really?

[Nick Vile]

How many gold medals do you have?

[Shawn Johnson]

Just one.

[Andrew East]

Still pretty good.

[Shawn Johnson]

I have four medals. Just one gold.

[Natalie]

Where is it?

[Shawn Johnson]

Framed in a safe somewhere.

[Andrew East]

I have it with us right here.

[Natalie]

You don't have, like, display? He's like, I brought it.

[Nick Vile]

I can tell you're super competitive.

[Justin]

Of.

[Shawn Johnson]

Yeah, very.

[Nick Vile]

Like, I can just feel it in the room.

[Shawn Johnson]

So is he. That's why we got.

[Nick Vile]

I imagine so. But, like, I feel like you're way more competitive. Or do you kind of take a step back?

[Andrew East]

I love this part of the conversation where it's like, Sean's accolades and then transition to patronizing. Andrew.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

Like, oh, poor guy. What the three do?

[Justin]

View. Okay.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, I am. I love competition. Sean, though, will, like, cut your throat and she will win. I'm like, I'm here for a good time. I'm just like, the vibe.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. Sean looks like she doesn't fuck around. She gives a look.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, Yeah, I know. It's a little scary.

[Natalie]

Wait, so when you knew y' all were going on Special Forces together, was it like, babe, we're gonna do this together, or were you like, I'll fucking.

[Nick Vile]

Win at any point where you're like, don't be a pussy.

[Andrew East]

Honestly, I. I take this for granted. I never have to say that to Sean. She never backs down from a situation. So, like, honestly, we find ourselves in some ridiculous places because she's always down, which puts us in some pinches.

[Shawn Johnson]

But we've done some things that we've probably regretted. A lot of opportunities come our way where they're like, you guys just don't say no, so why not? Throw you out of a plane, put you in some car going off cliff, and it's like, this kind of sucks, but it's fun.

[Andrew East]

We'll do it. We found ourselves at Fort Bragg, which is, like, an army base, doing a shooting competition. They give us, like, these huge.

[Shawn Johnson]

With, like, the world's best snipers.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, like these huge weapons.

[Natalie]

And I won.

[Shawn Johnson]

No, he won.

[Nick Vile]

She tripped.

[Shawn Johnson]

She actually won.

[Andrew East]

But in this competition, real guns, real bullets. She trips and falls, throws like a nine millimeter pistol somewhere. I'm like, oh, my gosh, this is so sketchy, but we're gonna keep going. So she picks it up and. And keeps ripping.

[Shawn Johnson]

But I survived.

[Andrew East]

No, there was no. Leading up to the show is not that much fun because Sean entered training mode, which I had never seen in my life before. And I totally understood from that point forward why she is one of the greatest gymnasts at all time. And my football career was not that impressive. It's like her intensity and focus was like, oh, my gosh, this is crazy.

[Natalie]

How much time did you have to prep?

[Shawn Johnson]

Like, five weeks. Oh, so like a decent amount. They've asked us every season, and I've either been pregnant or postpartum, so I really wanted to the show, but never had the option. Every time they came to me, I was like, there's no chance.

[Nick Vile]

Was it always an option for the two of you to do it together?

[Andrew East]

No, I was like the bargaining chip. They wanted shine so bad, they're like, all right, well, what if we let Andrew do it too?

[Shawn Johnson]

Self debris.

[Andrew East]

Let's go.

[Nick Vile]

How'd you guys meet?

[Shawn Johnson]

I met his oldest brother at the Olympics. He's an Olympic cyclist, and he set us up on a blind date. I was getting ready to go to Stanford at the time. I kept deferring. Couldn't, like, pull the trigger for some reason. And then met him or his oldest brother, and he's like, you should go to Vanderbilt or my son or, geez, I can't form words right now. You should go to Vanderbilt, where my brother goes. And he set us up on a blind date. You gave me a tour of Vandy, and I was like, okay, right.

[Nick Vile]

So you picked him over Stanford?

[Shawn Johnson]

I did.

[Andrew East]

No, no. Vanderbilt and me. Which is.

[Shawn Johnson]

I mean, I only went to Vanderbilt because of you. I literally dropped out the first couple months.

[Nick Vile]

That's kind of a flex. Sanford's pretty good school.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, it's decent.

[Shawn Johnson]

Vanny's better, though.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, so not at all.

[Nick Vile]

So Special Forces. Was it everything you expected it would be? I mean, obviously it's someone who's been in that environment. What was the most shocking or difficult thing because, like, physically, you guys, your specimens, this guy, you know, shake his.

[Andrew East]

Hand and I'm like, oh, you saying that with the enema eye contact we're making right now is like, I don't.

[Nick Vile]

Know what that's impressive.

[Andrew East]

I don't know what to think.

[Nick Vile]

Right. I'm just like. Honestly, after watching Dancing with the Stars the other night, I'm really in my feels about, like, not like I've been in shape my whole life. You know, it really got. It's really bad when your wife sends you shirtless pictures of Dylan Efron.

[Natalie]

I just like it accidentally.

[Justin]

He's also.

[Shawn Johnson]

Isn't he like 20? Yeah, he's a kid.

[Nick Vile]

He's younger.

[Shawn Johnson]

He's a kid also. Welcome to like parenting. It just changes.

[Nick Vile]

But in fairness to Natalie, you know, as soon as we got together, I was like, like, yeah, I don't. I mean, I don't. I don't work as hard.

[Andrew East]

You feel like you let yourself go a little bit.

[Nick Vile]

A little bit.

[Shawn Johnson]

That's amazing. That's like also the greatest form of flattery to a certain extent because, like, you're that comfortable.

[Nick Vile]

Dylan is 33 according to household, so.

[Shawn Johnson]

He'S not a child.

[Natalie]

Also, Nick responds very well to shame.

[Andrew East]

I do.

[Natalie]

So he's, I think, ingrained that into me to shame him.

[Shawn Johnson]

Joined dad or datter day.

[Andrew East]

That's what we call it. Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

You'll be humbled very quickly.

[Nick Vile]

I have no doubt.

[Shawn Johnson]

Andrew comes home every Saturday after the Saturday's workout and he's like, I almost died. I'm like, if you're saying that.

[Natalie]

Who puts together the workouts?

[Shawn Johnson]

Navy Seals and army Rangers.

[Andrew East]

So it's a group of like elite athletes.

[Nick Vile]

How old are they? I'm 45, bro.

[Shawn Johnson]

Yeah, some are older.

[Andrew East]

There's a lot of 40 year olds.

[Shawn Johnson]

But they're all like Army Rangers.

[Natalie]

He said, no excuses, no excuses.

[Nick Vile]

I did a few push ups Saturday morning and I'm hurting.

[Andrew East]

What's a few?

[Leia]

Yeah, how many?

[Natalie]

10.

[Nick Vile]

I did like a 20 minute workout where I was doing some kettlebells and some push ups and some, you know, running in place and some shadow boxing.

[Andrew East]

I'm not gonna lie. We pulled up and we saw dumbbells on the back porch. I was like, this guy gets after it. It's raining outside.

[Nick Vile]

That wasn't this morning. That was me working out on set every 20 minutes and then not putting shit away.

[Andrew East]

Okay, all right.

[Natalie]

Wait, Special forces?

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

Every single person we asked about the show, they said it's way harder than it even shows on tv.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

And every time we heard that, we would look at each other and be like, they just, you know, they can't hang.

[Nick Vile]

You're like pussies.

[Shawn Johnson]

And then we show up and it was like, oh, yeah, it's actually harder than we thought.

[Andrew East]

Going into it. There was like zero chance. I'm tapping out of this thing. And then at the end of day one, my body was shutting down and I thought I had heat exhaustion.

[Shawn Johnson]

Well, they didn't give you water for 24 hours.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, we're in the 120 degree heat. No water for like seven hours, which.

[Shawn Johnson]

Was actually like a mistake on the show's part.

[Nick Vile]

And I was like, yeah, because that's one. That's kind of a danger zone.

[Andrew East]

It was, yeah, you should have water.

[Natalie]

But.

[Andrew East]

But I was like, I think I'm gonna have to leave day one just because physically I was not in a good spot. But it was a wild ride.

[Natalie]

Did you tell her that?

[Shawn Johnson]

Oh, I could tell.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

They separated us immediately and put us on two separate teams so we didn't see each other all day and all that. First whole day, we were like out on the mountaintop doing stuff. I don't know. And at the end of the day, we saw each other for the first time. And I could tell immediately it's like, oh. Oh, he's done. Like, he's done. You had the black circles under your eyes. You were, like, in really bad shape.

[Natalie]

Did you have a conversation that night to, like, keep him there?

[Shawn Johnson]

I just went into, like, wife slash mom mode.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Mary]

I was like, who has electrolytes?

[Leia]

We need water.

[Andrew East]

Yeah. She was nursing me back this time.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

But that was my first experience on reality tv. And I was like, this is not that cool, dude. Freaking. This sucks.

[Shawn Johnson]

That's not even reality.

[Nick Vile]

It's not even really reality tv. And a credit to the show because it's. It's more like you don't engage with producers. You're not like, doing like, in the moment conversations. It's just a simulation with cameras around.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. So it's hardly. You really haven't done reality TV yet? This.

[Andrew East]

No, dude. Being miked up all the time. I don't know that part.

[Justin]

Sure.

[Nick Vile]

How was your first night of sleep? Because ours was wild.

[Shawn Johnson]

We slept pretty good.

[Nick Vile]

Really? You didn't have any snorers?

[Shawn Johnson]

No, actually.

[Nick Vile]

In those cots? Yeah. Every time anyone moves, it's just like this.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, dude, Our door, it was like a metal cable they had looped through just a piece of wood. And so every time it would open up, it'd be.

[Shawn Johnson]

It was so super loud.

[Andrew East]

So anyone that would go to the bathroom in the middle of the night, you just wake her right up.

[Shawn Johnson]

But I don't know if it's just like, the phase of life you and I are in with like a 5, 4, and 1 year old, but I really can't complain about sleep. I felt like I slept great. I was doing really well.

[Natalie]

You're like, there was no baby kicking.

[Sierra]

Me in the leg.

[Shawn Johnson]

No monitors.

[Natalie]

No monitors to watch.

[Nick Vile]

That's true.

[Shawn Johnson]

I. I thought we did well with sleep.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

We also were known. People were talking to us later about how any downtime we had, whether it was going to be a minute or, like, four hours, you never know. We literally would just fall asleep and nap the whole time.

[Andrew East]

I actually think it's my best quality I have is I can sleep anywhere.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

A little narcolepsy or fall asleep?

[Andrew East]

I don't think so.

[Justin]

It's.

[Andrew East]

I'll fall asleep within, like, two minutes.

[Nick Vile]

Oh, yeah.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

You don't look like a stressful person. Do you just not have anxiety? Are you just one of those, like, light as a feather, you know, just carefree?

[Shawn Johnson]

I actually think you're shockingly and amazingly carefree.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

He does feel stress. He gets stressed out.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. I mean, I haven't spent that much time with you, but yeah, you're a delight, actually.

[Andrew East]

This is like a core philosophy of my life. You know when you go to the airport and you got people yelling at, like, the poor people behind the counter.

[Nick Vile]

Like, I'm not gonna miss my flight yet.

[Andrew East]

And they're, like, getting all mad about something, and this lady has no control over this airline schedule. I'm like, don't get mad over stuff that you can't. That you have no control over.

[Nick Vile]

So I agree with you 99% of the time. Every once in a while, there is someone behind that counter who just wants to make your day miserable.

[Natalie]

For example, we were flying from. I don't. I don't know where we're going. Anyways, we were flying and we had our daughter river with us, and she was maybe a little bit over a year old. And at this point, we flew. Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

30 times.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

So, like, we're familiar with the process.

[Shawn Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Natalie]

Still lap child, whatever. And we're like, we just want to make sure, like, our daughter's on our ticket. Whatever. And she's like, okay, do you have her birth certificate or her shot record?

[Shawn Johnson]

Records, which you don't need.

[Natalie]

We're like, what? Like, why? And she was like, we. We need to see those before she gets shot records. I'm like, I don't. A photo of her birth certification.

[Nick Vile]

Immediately we know she's just making things up.

[Natalie]

And then she's like, do you have a photo of her, like, in the hospital? I'm like, do you want to see the video of me, like, giving birth? Like, are you just, like, making sure that she's our kid or, like, what's going on?

[Nick Vile]

No, she literally asked for, like, a photo of her from giving birth. And we're like, I don't home. And I didn't want to argue with her, you know, because we just want to get on our flight. So literally, we showed this woman, like, hospital videos of Nally giving birth to River.

[Natalie]

Crazy.

[Nick Vile]

And then she was like, well, you never can be too careful. Like, afterwards, like, she knew she was just making up. She's like. Because, like, people could. You know, she definitely watched some kind of, like, kidnapping video online.

[Andrew East]

Were you pissy in this interaction? Because this is something Sean. Sean and I have done a lot of work on.

[Nick Vile]

I will get like, I will. I will huff. And I. My Uber ratings pretty good at this point. I had to do some damage control because, like, I didn't know there was an Uber rating. And then someone's like, what's your Uber rating? And I looked and I was like. It was like a 4. 4 at some point, which is. Is pretty low. And I was like, why? I mean, I'm like, I've never, like, such a delight. No, I've never gotten into it. I've never, like. But you know when they would make a wrong turn or I was going late, I'm in the back going.

[Andrew East]

That'S. You and Sean would get along.

[Shawn Johnson]

Andrew's always like, just don't talk my. Just keep your mouth shut.

[Andrew East]

In this situation where you have this lady behind the desk who asks something crazy, is it the better strategy to double down and inject, like, intense, negative, emotional. Or is it like, oh, I'm so sorry, I forgot.

[Justin]

No.

[Andrew East]

To take a selfie at the hospital, like, you make us. I think it's better to just go.

[Nick Vile]

The friendlier stuff 100%. Right. But like, most people, I get so fiery.

[Shawn Johnson]

Andrew has this quality, and I don't know. I don't know how, but it. Every interaction like that, where normally you get, like, super pissed off, he sees it as such a challenge, and he will become people's best friends.

[Nick Vile]

That's a great.

[Shawn Johnson]

And then all of a sudden, he's got their cell phone number and he's getting free points on Delta or what, because, like, you're that guy.

[Nick Vile]

That's an amazing skill.

[Andrew East]

It was actually, I think on our flight to Morocco where we filmed the show, we were row we were about to miss our flight to go to New York and then to Morocco.

[Shawn Johnson]

From there, we weren't going to make it on time for the course to start.

[Andrew East]

And Sean is stressed, like, not in a good spot. She's like yelling at people like, well, can we, can we not get on a different flag?

[Sierra]

Look at this.

[Andrew East]

And there's just this guy who's like, just trying to help us. And I was like, hey, man, wait.

[Nick Vile]

Just trying to help.

[Shawn Johnson]

This is how he is.

[Nick Vile]

Like, have you done a call map reading? I would listen.

[Andrew East]

We actually know we did hat.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

And it's a meditation. It was actually awesome. It's like, welcome back to tonight's meditation. Anyway, it's like you get to know someone's name. I actually think one of life's greatest adventures is to like meet a stranger. And then you're like, how are we gonna vibe? Is there any overlap between coming from an introvert?

[Shawn Johnson]

That sounds awful.

[Nick Vile]

Anyway, I'm realizing me and Sean are very much alike.

[Andrew East]

Who's more introverted? Extroverted.

[Nick Vile]

I'm way.

[Natalie]

I'm way introverted.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, you're pretty chatty though. Though. I can be. I'm like, I'm an ambivert. If you want to get technical.

[Andrew East]

I've never heard that term.

[Nick Vile]

Well, introvert, Extrovert.

[Andrew East]

Ambidextrous.

[Nick Vile]

I think Susan Cain, the most world renowned expert in extroverts. Introverts, we had on a show a long time ago and half the population is extroverts. Half the population's introvert. But it's really a spectrum, you know, you don't. Like, there's extremes. Like most people. Like, you know, you may be. You say you're introverted but like, scary. There are people obviously way more introverted who can't get out of the house. And yeah, you know, he likes to.

[Shawn Johnson]

Claim he's an introvert. I'm like, honey, well, we know it.

[Nick Vile]

Can be at times.

[Andrew East]

I'm getting advice from Nick about this.

[Justin]

Don't interrupt.

[Andrew East]

Okay.

[Nick Vile]

But like, he filled up his tank probably by like challenging himself to become people's best friends. And that just sucks the life out of him. I can do it. I can show up and be like, here we go. Charming. Be charming. Be charming. Nick.

[Natalie]

Afterwards, I'm like, I'll be like, nick, I'm gonna challenge you to like, overdo it. And he'll be like, all right, so you're an extrovert.

[Nick Vile]

The short version is be nice.

[Shawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

She'll tell me.

[Andrew East]

We, we gotta meet your wonderful daughter. And the welcoming that we got from her was amazing.

[Natalie]

She sprint.

[Shawn Johnson]

I don't know if you have, like, cameras outside. It sounds weird to say, but, like, she came sprinting. I was like, sister. Sister me.

[Nick Vile]

She's fast, right?

[Shawn Johnson]

She's fast. Yeah.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

No, she is the biggest extrovert. And it's crazy because we're. We went to dinner last night, and she, like, tried to hug the manager. And then we were on our way out, and some woman was like, oh, hey, baby. And then she was, like, trying to hug her, and I'm like, okay. Sometimes we, like, can't just hug everybody.

[Justin]

Next.

[Nick Vile]

Like, don't do that.

[Andrew East]

That guy's disgusting.

[Natalie]

He's like, he wouldn't sit us in our seat on time.

[Nick Vile]

No, that's a great quality, though. And you're absolutely right. You definitely attract more. What, more? More bees with honey than.

[Justin]

Wow.

[Andrew East]

Wow.

[Nick Vile]

I didn't make that up. That's an old saying.

[Andrew East]

No, you just made it up. This is. Yeah, I heard the phrase positive boomerang growing up a lot. Whereas, like, you know, boomerangs. Whatever you throw out will come back to you. And if you throw positive boomerangs, you'll get positive.

[Shawn Johnson]

That's scary sometimes for people like Nick and I. Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

But I do find, like, Natalie and I. I mean, I'm sure you guys could have. Have this happen, too, but when you can tell your partner is.

[Andrew East]

Is.

[Nick Vile]

You know, even when Natalie's just, like, wants to kill someone, I'm like, all right, let's big picture. All right, here we. You know, it's like. And it's. Balance it out. Right.

[Natalie]

But also, sometimes I'm like, come on.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. He's got some real energy in her. She'll. She'll want to fight people.

[Mary]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

It's recently become to solicitors and solicitors only. You know, I've been real. Like, we have a no soliciting sign.

[Justin]

Wow.

[Natalie]

And they just. Nick's like, I was in sales. Listen, you don't.

[Sierra]

That's just like a.

[Justin]

You don't even look.

[Nick Vile]

That's a challenge.

[Natalie]

I'll get them to buy what I'm selling. And I'll be like, you just woke up my baby. And the dogs are barking. And.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

The mama bear stuff comes out.

[Nick Vile]

Have you ever been a Karen?

[Mary]

Oh, yeah. Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

I can't say it is funny one comes to mind.

[Mary]

I'll tell you off the. Off the show.

[Andrew East]

It's funny how you get older and then all of a sudden you're like. Like, that person's Driving too fast in our neighborhood. So yeah, you put up a sign and it's like, what is happening? What happened?

[Natalie]

Are yalls kids introverts? Extroverts? Have you been able to tell a mix?

[Shawn Johnson]

Really big mix. Our daughter is very much like me, very introverted. But it's funny because if she gets comfortable enough, her like crazy side comes out, which is so much fun. And then our first son is a carbon copy of Andrew. He is knows no stranger, just loves life to the fullest.

[Andrew East]

We had friends over on Saturday and first thing Jet said, our four year old to this new person he just met was, hey, do you want to play tackle? So this guy's like, sure. So he gets football helmets out, but he's literally just tackling this guy. It's like hilarious.

[Shawn Johnson]

He's the kid that like wakes up at 5am he'll be right by your face. And we'll say to Andrew, he's like, daddy, let's go work out. Let's do it. And it's like, boy, go to sleep.

[Nick Vile]

That's kind of awesome though. Yeah, that's the dream.

[Shawn Johnson]

It is. And then our third is definitely like a mix.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

He's got his skepticism but loves life. He's a mix of both.

[Natalie]

Y' all travel a lot with your kids? We do what is kind of yalls like hack to travel because we travel a lot with river, obviously. It's easy. You're with one, you have three. What are you. What out of y'?

[Mary]

All?

[Natalie]

No, hack.

[Shawn Johnson]

It's exactly what you guys are doing. Just. Just introduce them to it.

[Natalie]

Doing it.

[Shawn Johnson]

We traveled with all of our kids from a very early age. I'd say like two months old. Not even. And they just got used to it. They're very comfortable on planes. It doesn't make it easier.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, we're strict. No technology on traveling couple, though.

[Nick Vile]

Wow.

[Andrew East]

I'm kidding, I'm kidding, I'm kidding. Not chance. Not chance.

[Nick Vile]

We.

[Natalie]

We honestly have way too much at this point.

[Nick Vile]

And we're pretty good. We're pretty, pretty good. Like, we definitely are. We are. They're better parents than us.

[Shawn Johnson]

No, no, no, no. I would say we are. We are light on technology at home, but the second we're making a 16 hour flight across the world, I'm like, the iPad is. Yeah. Gold. Have it for 16 hours and kids.

[Andrew East]

Eyes are just toasted and red. Like by the end of it, they're like, I've watched 20 hours of screen time.

[Natalie]

So do you do like. Like you sit in an aisle with Two. You sit with one. Like, do y' all have like a system or does it change?

[Shawn Johnson]

I will say a hack. We have figured out with three because we're an odd number is we always buy an extra seat in economy. So we do two full rows of three. We have gone the route of doing first class with all five of us and usually all the kids end up in the two first class seats that we're sitting in. And then you have like three empty first class seats that you just. Just sought off an arm for. Yeah. So we do majority economy. Even flying to Japan, we were like last row on.

[Nick Vile]

I respect that.

[Shawn Johnson]

A 16 hour flight. I might regret that one, but I'm.

[Andrew East]

Excited because I feel like two was a pivot point for us. The kids get so much easier at that point. Like just age 2, understanding their ability to have like some attention span.

[Shawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

So usually be like two of our two oldest with Sean and then me with the. With the baby.

[Shawn Johnson]

And is the baby. Baby's. Baby's harder than the two older combined?

[Natalie]

Pretty much.

[Shawn Johnson]

So like a parent will take the two older and a parent will take.

[Natalie]

The baby and it's like.

[Shawn Johnson]

And then we'll switch equal.

[Nick Vile]

I realize why they call it terrible twos. It's not because they're actually terrible, but like rivers at that age where she's, she's old enough to want things and she's old enough to like have opinions and like a, you know, and a point of view a little bit, but not quite enough to communicate and fully understand. So it's a little bit of like.

[Shawn Johnson]

Even like sitting in an airplane seat and like having a seat belt on.

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

They're like, never.

[Natalie]

No.

[Shawn Johnson]

And then the stewardesses are yelling at you because your 2 year old won't say, I'm like, I don't know what to do here.

[Natalie]

Two is hard, two is two is tough. But she. We were just talking about this at the top of the episode, but we just took her pacifier away this weekend.

[Shawn Johnson]

How's it going?

[Natalie]

Pretty good. Yeah. The night of the night and she's just like, up Dada. Up Dada. She calls movies we've. We've like meow meows. Because we started her on like Aristocats and one Dalmatian, so everything's meow meow. She like, dad D. Meow, meow, meow, meow Up Dad d. It's like 4am.

[Nick Vile]

He'S like, please go to cute dude.

[Andrew East]

So cliche. But enjoy that while it lasts, dude.

[Nick Vile]

It will be over in a matter of Months.

[Andrew East]

And you're like, frick. Remember when little river was saying up there, it's like, dude, I was literally crying on the way here. There's a song.

[Shawn Johnson]

He was a disaster this morning.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

What song?

[Shawn Johnson]

Don't listen to it.

[Andrew East]

It's a good song.

[Shawn Johnson]

As a parent. Don't listen to it.

[Nick Vile]

She's totally going to.

[Shawn Johnson]

Natalie loves to sit and feels like.

[Nick Vile]

That when it comes to River.

[Natalie]

I just made her email address and I wrote her email last night.

[Nick Vile]

Let's freaking go.

[Andrew East]

That's the best he's got.

[Shawn Johnson]

One for each kid.

[Natalie]

Was like, I'm only doing one on her birthday.

[Nick Vile]

What I send like, I can't.

[Andrew East]

She.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Can't read that much.

[Shawn Johnson]

He sends like five a day.

[Andrew East]

Day.

[Nick Vile]

I'll do like.

[Andrew East]

I'll just do like little one sentence ones like.

[Nick Vile]

Like.

[Andrew East]

Bear said. Our youngest said his first prayer the other day and he said he said thank you for bulldozers and excavators. I'm send an email.

[Shawn Johnson]

I mean, it wasn't that eloquent. It was.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

Bulldozer, excavator, Amen. We're like, all righty.

[Andrew East]

But it's like, that's the stuff that you think you'll remember forever. Then fast forward a week. You forget. So I'm. I'm pro email.

[Natalie]

So sweet.

[Nick Vile]

So back to the special forces.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Either of you picky eaters?

[Shawn Johnson]

He is a lot pickier than I am.

[Andrew East]

That's what you found out.

[Nick Vile]

Did you really? Because that was the hardest part for me. I didn't real. I didn't realize that part of the course was the food. And then they feed you less, bro.

[Andrew East]

First of all, I don't think you have to be a piggy eater to not enjoy that.

[Nick Vile]

No, it's garbage food.

[Andrew East]

It wasn't that rash, dude. And I lost £17.

[Nick Vile]

It's just.

[Andrew East]

It is terrible. Sean.

[Nick Vile]

I'm a stop.

[Shawn Johnson]

I told him he got used to be fed filet mignon in the NFL. That was literally what we were fed in the national team training center for gymnastics.

[Andrew East]

I mean, we're talking the most decrepit bruised fruit so bad that you don't even want to eat it. And then you have like oatmeal that's like not even cooked right. You're like, how can you mess this up? No carrot soup. I'm like, what is this?

[Shawn Johnson]

Hard boiled egg. Which was great.

[Nick Vile]

I heard you guys had hard boiled eggs. And I was pissed because I would have killed for hard boiled eggs. We had runny fake eggs. Oh, yeah. Like And I. I was like, I can't.

[Andrew East]

You had scrambled eggs.

[Nick Vile]

They would. And it was like, soft scrambled, like, was. Which was definitely not, like, soupy.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

I was like, I can't. No.

[Shawn Johnson]

And it's probably powdered eggs.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

Hard boiled eggs was my jam.

[Nick Vile]

There was one breakfast I almost, like, threw up because I just. It was like, I can't.

[Justin]

Same.

[Nick Vile]

And then Tom Sandoval is just, like, scarfing it down. Just a human garbage disposal.

[Andrew East]

And they give you salt, which is like the one beacon of hope. And you're like, this gives it a little bit of flavor, but it's still terrible.

[Nick Vile]

There was one meal. They made us, like, this really delicious, like, rotisserie chicken.

[Andrew East]

What?

[Nick Vile]

What? Yeah. But then two minutes into the meal starting, they were like, recruits.

[Justin]

Recruits.

[Nick Vile]

And I was like, no.

[Andrew East]

Oh, that's so brutal.

[Nick Vile]

It was brutal. So brutal.

[Andrew East]

Okay, so we. This is. I unbelievably fell for this. This has just aired on the previous episode of.

[Shawn Johnson]

They Watched It Trash.

[Andrew East]

Nick Young, the whole time he was there, was complaining about the food, said, all I want is a Coke. Give me a Coke. So he leaves and two hours later shows up. There goes a box with a Coke in it. And we thought this was a gift from the ds. Like, oh, my gosh. This was a morale booster. Yes. Stupid. And then we all crushed it. Dude, there's candy in there. We're going ham. And then it turns out, like, oh, surprise, surprise. We weren't supposed to eat it. And you're like, how do we fall for this? This is literally like in the horror movie when they go to the shed with all.

[Shawn Johnson]

They had the worst bee sting after that.

[Andrew East]

Oh, man.

[Shawn Johnson]

At like 2:00am and we knew it was coming.

[Nick Vile]

You had. You had an eclectic group.

[Natalie]

Do you keep in touch with everybody?

[Shawn Johnson]

We actually do. He keeps in touch with everybody.

[Natalie]

Are you. Did you get close with Cody?

[Andrew East]

We had some very fascinating theological discussions.

[Nick Vile]

I was gonna say, who talks smart, you or Cody?

[Andrew East]

Oh, hold on. It was so interesting because you meet this guy, you're like, all right, he has multiple wives, right?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

How do you get to that point in life? And then so we would talk for hours about, like, his understanding of the Bible and then his upbringing. And then it's like, it's really fascinating to start to get a picture of, like, how you end up with multiple wives.

[Shawn Johnson]

So let's give you some background on Andrew. He studies religion. He has a doctorate in psychology. So he literally just wants to know everybody's in and out.

[Natalie]

Thought he wants to get inside their Brain.

[Nick Vile]

I love psychology. We could probably go deep one of these days.

[Andrew East]

Yeah, I would love that. No, it's just I actually. You end up building a certain amount of empathy for people, you know, and understanding. But it was, you know, we would hit these kind of forks in the road where he was like, I was so proud of the work that he did. I guess he helped legalize polygamy in Arizona, or maybe even beyond that.

[Nick Vile]

That he helped legalize.

[Justin]

Legalize.

[Nick Vile]

Legal. Yeah, yeah, he made it legal.

[Andrew East]

And then it's like, yes. You know, gets to this point where, like, well, is this. Is it good to have everything legal like this or not? And then, you know, that's just kind of a difference in how you see things. But fascinating conversations all around. And we did this whole take on, you know, once they announced the cast, there's a lot of people with a lot of strong opinions on certain people.

[Shawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

And you're like, hey, no matter what, everyone has redemptive qualities. You know what I'm saying? Like, despite whatever controversies or mistakes they've made, everyone has a chance to, like, say, wow, we can all do this together. And, like, if you lose that hope that everyone has positive qualities about it, like, that's a sad life. So it was. It was interesting. Some people were like, no, there's no redemptive qualities. You're like, don't judge me like that, please, because I will make mistakes. And if you're.

[Nick Vile]

You're absolutely right. Right.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

I mean, that's. Thomas Sandoval was on my season right after Scandal, and, you know, he's definitely imperfect. Yeah, he's made mistakes, but he's not. He's. He has redeeming qualities.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

You know, and. And special forces to that point. What's great about that experience is that if you have any, those redeeming qualities are forced to come out. Yes. You know, because you're really challenged, and it's nice to see people in those elements.

[Andrew East]

What's so unique about the show, too, is I think Fox wants to display those redeeming qualities, which is really cool. I don't know if there's another show that exists that does that, like, really tries to paint you in a positive light. And they still, like, there's still an opportunity to not get painted in a positive light, but you almost have to work for it. But I like all that to say, I think you still have to have a right and wrong, absolute kind of, like, gauge. But having empathy alongside of that is a good way to live life, I think.

[Nick Vile]

So how Was Jesse Smollett.

[Shawn Johnson]

Very nice. That's what I said this the other day on a podcast. Got taken out of context by someone who knows the Internet. Yeah.

[Natalie]

All the people.

[Shawn Johnson]

But it's, like, the most beautiful thing that I loved about the show. We didn't know a lot of people when we walked into our first, you know, barracks, but they strip you down. You don't get to wear, like, your normal style. You don't get to, like, showcase your personality outside of show. You all wear the same thing, do the same thing, and you're forced to be terrified and put in such vulnerable positions and lean on each other. And there was not a single person on that cast that I couldn't trust. Like, when it came down to being scared for my life and needing someone to, like, help me through it, each and every one of those people was truly helping everyone around them, including Jesse.

[Nick Vile]

That's it. I mean, that's a great quality. And I say this all the time because I'm always like, I'm afraid of the Internet and what it's done to our society.

[Shawn Johnson]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick Vile]

And just because you can go online, and I'm always like, that's the Matrix. Like, you're tapping into the Matrix, and that's where all this divisiveness comes from. But, like, to, you know, Special Forces, a great example of that. But, like, just go to a. Go to a sporting event, you know, and just, like, the camaraderie, you know, and the people finding common ground rather than finding where you aren't in agreement, you know, and things like that. And. And Special Forces is a great example of that atmosphere where you could assume, based off what you know about them or what you heard or maybe even what you've seen them say online, that you. Like, I have nothing in common with this person, or I don't. I hate what they represent or I hate what they stand for, et cetera, et cetera. And to still feel safe, like, you know, because really, you are relying on these people as your. As part of your unit. It's fascinating.

[Shawn Johnson]

I even found. Correct me if I'm wrong, but, like, within the cast dynamics, we so quickly got rid of the outside world, and we still had these moments where, like, you would get frustrated with each other or you would get mad, but it was over something like, how could you have done that in the challenge? And they would be like, oh, I'm so sorry. I'll actually do better next time. There was such this redeeming quality of it being so simple and being able to Confront one another and say, you need to do better or I messed up that time or it just made you so human and you forgot about all the drama that the world likes to, like, bring in on top of it.

[Andrew East]

It also. There's nothing like a little bonding that happens through shared suffering through drama. Like you're all just. You're all villainizing together.

[Shawn Johnson]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

This like, terrible experience that y' all went through, which has an amazing side effect of everyone's like, oh, yeah, I can trust you in certain ways, you know.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

So was it tough to be away from the kids?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Or I imagine they're watching.

[Shawn Johnson]

No, we haven't shown them yet.

[Natalie]

No, you haven't.

[Shawn Johnson]

There's so much which trying to explain to even our 5 year old who's the oldest, why mommy's crying or why I'm getting screamed at. Oh, yeah.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

And trying to make that black and white for a mind that can only digest black and white is really difficult.

[Natalie]

Yeah. That's.

[Nick Vile]

What age do you feel like they'll be able to start? Because I imagine it's something that you hope you'll want to show them someday because it's cool what you guys did together.

[Andrew East]

We're going to have to explain all the bleep words at first, you know. You know how many beep, beep, beep they have in that show?

[Nick Vile]

It's like, are you careful about swearing? He doesn't swear, period.

[Andrew East]

I did drop a couple F bombs on the show because you're out there getting destroyed. So.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

Like.

[Nick Vile]

Because I have a bit of a sailor mouth.

[Andrew East]

Do you? Yeah, sorry.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

Part of some people's personality, you know?

[Nick Vile]

It is. I remember literally being in the second grade, like on the playground. You. I got taught some sort of words. And I remember because I grew up very Catholic, very conservative family. And I remember being like, you swear too much, Nick, as a second grader.

[Andrew East]

Second grade.

[Justin]

Wow.

[Nick Vile]

I'm gonna get in trouble. Like, this is crazy. I'm like.

[Natalie]

I'm sure when river starts repeating the swear words, he'll reel it in a little bit.

[Shawn Johnson]

But. Yeah, I don't know.

[Andrew East]

I actually have a take on your. The Internet commentary. I have thoughts on that because it is. You know, We've been making YouTube videos for 10 years now. Know, sharing our life voluntarily, which I love. Like, I think it's the coolest thing. I love making videos. I love all the tech and stuff. And then you start reading comments and inevitably there's like, quote unquote, negative ones. But I think repositioning it from, oh, that's a personal attack to okay, if my goal is to be the best husband I can be.

[Justin]

Right.

[Andrew East]

Then having access to all these different perspectives is actually really helpful. And like, if someone's saying, hey, hey, Andrew, you shouldn't have said that or that was too mean. Obviously the comments get way more gnarly than that. But, like, it's actually an interesting gut check of, dang, maybe they were right. You know, like, I'll do better next time every now and then. Actually, you probably read more than I read them more, but you know what I'm saying, like, it doesn't have to always be if it could actually be an. An edifying thing and refining.

[Nick Vile]

If you're like, oh, you really have to. And you guys clearly do have a very strong sense of self and you really have to know who you are to be able to do that. To use online criticism as a. Oh, that's a pretty good. You know, I guess. I guess I can be.

[Natalie]

I guess I am a stupid whore.

[Nick Vile]

Thank you. Well, I mean, I was a villain on my first season of the Bachelorette, so.

[Shawn Johnson]

Really?

[Nick Vile]

Oh, yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

Painted that way.

[Nick Vile]

I think so. Yeah. You know, you don't have to do much on ABC Disney to, yeah.

[Justin]

Be.

[Nick Vile]

You know, but yeah, I was like, I was a serial killer. I was, you know. Yeah, I was hated. Yeah, there was like a whole, like, people, like, seriously trying to explain why you shouldn't be caught in a room with me because I. I'm a sociopath. What I was like, you know, maybe.

[Justin]

No.

[Nick Vile]

But yeah, it can get, you know, it can get. It can get tough. I find it easier to disconnect and just tell them that my, Their opinions of me are not mine. Business. And. Yeah, it's just more like just tapping in like, I'm great. What I have is gratitude. I have gratitude for people who are willing to care about what we do and are willing to engage with what we do and what they want to think of. It is their business and it's not mine. And I just thank them for listening.

[Andrew East]

And if you haven't yet like them.

[Nick Vile]

Subscribe, thank you very much. What people are willing to say on their phone, it's, It's. It's not the same as what they're willing to say, human to human, you know? Yeah.

[Andrew East]

But there's also some misinterpretation that get. Like, if they were. If they said one thing and then it just gets poorly translated via text, you know, I also try to. I try to cast it in as much positive.

[Shawn Johnson]

I Think we're talking, like, the next level.

[Andrew East]

If it's, like, harshly negative, then you're like, okay, well, that's just not true. That's fine.

[Nick Vile]

Well, there's that.

[Justin]

Well, also.

[Nick Vile]

And I say this to people I'm giving relationship advice to when they're. You know, you. People don't read your text messages or comments the way you sent them. They read them in whatever emotional state that they're currently in or how they receive it. They'll put in their own punctuation and things like that. So, yeah, that is on you. But it's hard to interpret you're a disgusting motherfucker any other kind of way. Like the video we posted of us singing, why is Nick vile here with green emoji puke face.

[Andrew East]

I think it was, why is Nick and Andrew here? We both got the puke.

[Nick Vile]

You actually got one of those, too, which, honestly made me feel much better because I'm like, well, I mean, I don't know how you could hate Andrew. So.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

How do you describe the puke face? Like, oh, they're so great. They made me puke.

[Nick Vile]

They're, like, laughing so hard. Screaming, crying. Throwing up. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Laughing so hard, they puked.

[Andrew East]

I laughed so hard at that video, dude. Oh, my gosh.

[Shawn Johnson]

It was really good.

[Natalie]

It's so funny because Nick went and did that by himself, and he was like, wait, you're not coming with? And I was like, no, no. Like, I'm gonna stay with River.

[Mary]

You got this.

[Natalie]

And he was like, I just, you know, this is just not.

[Nick Vile]

This is my health.

[Natalie]

You know, I just.

[Shawn Johnson]

And so then when he leaves, I.

[Natalie]

Call him, like, how was it? Like, did you make some friends? And he's like, yeah, you know, he made me take my shirt off.

[Shawn Johnson]

Like, oh, no.

[Natalie]

So I don't know what y' all did with that one, but I. I.

[Nick Vile]

Was working out on Saturdays.

[Shawn Johnson]

I. I was not a part of that. I was chasing. Oh, yeah.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

She's like, my husband's the hottest one here. Take your shirt off, guys. Well, thanks for coming, guys. This is fun to have. You guys are on special force. It's every Thursday night. And obviously, where can people find you? Follow you, your channels, all the great stuff you're doing online.

[Andrew East]

Don't worry about it.

[Justin]

Don't.

[Nick Vile]

Don't do it.

[Andrew East]

Don't follow us. It's not worth it. Apologies in advance if you stumble upon our stuff. Sean. Amazing. Shawn Johnson is.

[Shawn Johnson]

And Andrew East.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Andrew East]

But we have. We have a blast. A bunch of nonsense that we post.

[Nick Vile]

Question. Because we kind of. You know, Nelly goes by Nelly Joy. I go by Nick Vile. Do you guys do. Do you guys keep the separate last names?

[Shawn Johnson]

No. Legally, I'm Sean East.

[Nick Vile]

Okay.

[Shawn Johnson]

Yeah, but I.

[Nick Vile]

But you're Olympic Goldman of the song Johnson.

[Shawn Johnson]

I moved my. I moved Johnson to my middle name, and I dropped my middle name also.

[Nick Vile]

By the way, Flex, every time I fly into Nashville, I'm always welcomed by you.

[Shawn Johnson]

Dude, that is.

[Nick Vile]

I'm like, that's so much in the city. Like, Nashville has Nicole KIDMAN.

[Shawn Johnson]

Exactly.

[Nick Vile]

Tim McGraw, Tim McGraw, Faith Hill. And they're like, are you kidding?

[Shawn Johnson]

And it's me.

[Nick Vile]

That's awesome. That's so cool. I'm always like, pop off, Sean.

[Shawn Johnson]

I've had friends in the industry who are. Have done way cooler things than me. They're like, who's your publicist? I don't know what happened. I. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Hi.

[Nick Vile]

I'm Olympic gold medalist Shawn Johnson, and welcome to Nashville. I'm like, oh, my God. Thank you for having me.

[Shawn Johnson]

I don't know if it's just like.

[Andrew East]

Don'T take someone else's effing bag at the bag carousel.

[Shawn Johnson]

All right, I will say Nate's is really funny. Nate Vargazzi's is funny.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, it's pretty funny, too.

[Shawn Johnson]

His should be higher than mine.

[Nick Vile]

Either way, it's a Flex.

[Shawn Johnson]

Thanks.

[Nick Vile]

Thanks for coming, guys.

[Shawn Johnson]

Yeah, thanks for having me.

[Sierra]

Such a pleasure.

[Andrew East]

Thanks for having us.

[Natalie]

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[Nick Vile]

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[Nick Vile]

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[Andrew East]

Yes.

[Nick Vile]

So what's like.

[Natalie]

Yeah, like how are they getting these people?

[Nick Vile]

I mean, listen. No, no, this is not, not like Cosmopolitan does not do anything without the blessing of Warner Brothers and abc. So there's some kind of collaboration here. This isn't like reality blog went rogue and and somehow like found out who the men are and are posting it. So like I don't know. Allegedly.

[Natalie]

Oh my God. Brad Ledford was on my. He's a, he's a tick tocker. He was on my tick tock the other day. He's like a wakes up and ranch.

[Sierra]

It.

[Nick Vile]

He goes what the is he doing on your tick tock?

[Natalie]

Well, ask my for. Ask my algorithm. I don't know. No, but Brad, he like wakes up and he, he like wakes up at 5am and he goes to the ranch and he feeds the horses and then he goes back home and he goes to the gym and then he goes to the office and he's like a realtor or something and then he goes back to the farm. Seems like he has a very busy life.

[Nick Vile]

All I heard is influencer. Yeah, I mean 49,000 followers already.

[Natalie]

Yeah, he's got, I think maybe he has more on Tic Tac. Tic Tac.

[Nick Vile]

I mean it kind of makes sense though. She, you know Taylor is your. Your traditional bachelorette, right? Bachelor. You know, it's like you're here for the right reasons. You come on the show, you're a nobody. Maybe become a somebody on your respective season. But even as the lead, you're still very new supposedly to this whole, like social media life that doesn't really start until after you're done with your bachelor journey. But Taylor, Frankie Paul is. Is obviously not that right before she was even one of the secret lives of Mormon wives wife lives, she was out there, like, influencing. So it does make sense that it's a little bit more fair game or a little more, like digestible for Bachelor nation to accept, you know, people who are familiar with that life because it is, you know, it would be weird for a normie to like to settle down with Taylor and then come out and she's like, well, here, let's. We got some videos to make, bro. Yeah, know, so kind of makes sense.

[Mary]

We got excited, Leia, Sierra and I, that these gorgeous, beautiful, amazing men were out here, but we didn't want to go through all of them cuz some of them were lowkey boring. So I made a slideshow of each of our top three men.

[Nick Vile]

Okay.

[Mary]

All right. So Spencer, the reason I picked him is because he looks like the tall ginger guy on snl. So I like him, but he has an evil haircut, so I don't trust.

[Nick Vile]

It does have an evil haircut.

[Mary]

My theory, I think he's gonna cause drama with the men because he doesn't think they're father material.

[Nick Vile]

The. The ribbed crew neck shirt is a choice.

[Mary]

It's pretty stressful.

[Natalie]

He's 35.

[Mary]

He's 35. I think he's gonna get.

[Sierra]

His account is private on Instagram. Green flag.

[Natalie]

Green flag for sure.

[Mary]

I think he's gonna make it to hometowns. I think he's then gonna get cut at hometowns because he is still very close friends with a girl he had a thing with in high school. And Taylor's gonna cry. Then we got Ron. Ron's a cutie patootie.

[Nick Vile]

He's hot.

[Sierra]

I also like Ron.

[Mary]

Ron is hot. So that's number one. I feel like based on vibes, he has only ever dated Mormon girls. But not on purpose.

[Nick Vile]

Lifelong dream is to be someone's baby daddy.

[Mary]

This is all just what I think based off of one singular.

[Nick Vile]

Okay. This is not.

[Shawn Johnson]

No, no, no.

[Natalie]

They gave us fun.

[Nick Vile]

No, no, no, no.

[Mary]

This is not Ron as natural person. This is just what I think after seeing one photo of Ron, the Cosmopolitan.

[Leia]

Article gave us zero facts. So it's literally just gauge location.

[Nick Vile]

We have to use our own.

[Mary]

Nothing. Nothing I am about to say is based on any research. To quote my brother, I think that Ron is going to make it to the final rose because him and Taylor have incredible chemistry and they both love to laugh. But I do think ultimately he will not get picked and he might be the next bachelor.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Nick Vile]

Okay.

[Mary]

That's what I think about Ron.

[Nick Vile]

Do we know how tall these men are?

[Sierra]

No, no.

[Shawn Johnson]

They.

[Sierra]

They still haven't taken your advice on that one, Nick.

[Mary]

Ron gives taller in person. And then we have Johnny.

[Nick Vile]

Oh, Jason Taric look alike.

[Mary]

Johnny scares me. And so I picked him because I think he's going to make it to hometowns because he's so crazy and I think he's very Italian and I think his family is going to be really charmed by Taylor and I think Taylor's going to be charmed by a big chaotic Italian family. Family. You know, I think it's really gonna match her vibe. I do feel like based off of looking at one picture of him, he has or has had at one point in his life, a SoundCloud rap career. And then I also do think his ex is gonna cancel him on TikTok within three weeks of the show starting.

[Sierra]

And that's why he's in your top three.

[Mary]

Yeah, I kind of did it based on like, who I think is gonna be the most chaotic on the show.

[Nick Vile]

Okay.

[Sierra]

11.4K followers on Instagram, but he also.

[Leia]

Has a private account.

[Nick Vile]

11.4K. That's kind of always like a fun, like interesting number, you know, like, how'd you get 11.4k? Did you start an influencing career?

[Natalie]

It's definitely not like just around town, friend.

[Nick Vile]

Oh, he's a baseball player.

[Sierra]

No, this is his. He is a co founder of One Bounce stickball League.

[Andrew East]

Okay.

[Sierra]

Stickball. What's. Ooh the heck is stickball?

[Natalie]

It's like they started as stickball, but.

[Sierra]

You play with the.

[Nick Vile]

And then bought.

[Natalie]

You know what stickball is?

[Sierra]

Is stickball just like a thinner bat?

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, it's literally baseball with a stick. It was commonly played like in the inner cities with kids like, who couldn't afford equipment and stuff like that. And they'd play stickball, but it's baseball with a stick.

[Natalie]

Cute.

[Justin]

I played it.

[Sierra]

All right, here are my top choices. I did not make up stories for them like Mary did. Marcus thought he was hot. And he. He doesn't have an Instagram listed.

[Natalie]

Shout out, Marcus.

[Nick Vile]

This is giving. I'm a mom and I don't have time for these shenanigans.

[Sierra]

I didn't know that we were making up stories.

[Mary]

These people.

[Nick Vile]

That's fine.

[Natalie]

No, it's fine.

[Nick Vile]

I love that your personalities are coming through on this presentation.

[Natalie]

Okay, Marcus.

[Sierra]

Well, here's Mike.

[Nick Vile]

Okay.

[Sierra]

And he's also not on Instagram.

[Natalie]

Same bullet points. Did you copy and paste or did you separately type both of these?

[Sierra]

Separately typed.

[Natalie]

Both of these for you. All right.

[Sierra]

And then this one. This one was interesting because Trenton is a three time par Olympian. His insta bio says, lost my leg but gained a dream. I like his attitude.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, Some of those.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God. Yeah. I think they're all private also right now, right?

[Nick Vile]

Yes.

[Leia]

Yeah. Probably because of the. Mary said because of the drop. She thinks.

[Mary]

My theory is that I think they. Because this article is out, they all went private.

[Justin]

Private.

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah, that's smart.

[Sierra]

Honestly, I do wonder what she's looking for in religion. Like, is she looking for somebody who's religious because Jesus is in his Instagram?

[Natalie]

She did a little interview with Derek Huff on some random, I don't know, extra.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

And basically was like, they don't have to. I mean, I want them to, like, believe in something and have some sort of, like, higher power that they believe in. But they don't have to be Mormon. They don't, you know, so she. She definitely gave her. She wants them to be kind.

[Sierra]

All right, Sierra. All right.

[Natalie]

Leia, did you write this for Ciara?

[Mary]

No, I was like textings here in Leia and I was like, guys, can you please give me the reasons you think these men. And they both gave me absolutely nothing.

[Leia]

She was like, give us. Give me, like, backstory. And I was like, they gave us nothing. What am I supposed to go off? This is completely superficially who I think is hot.

[Nick Vile]

Well, anyways, Doug has a really great jawline and some really great hair.

[Natalie]

Do we have an age for Doug?

[Leia]

28 and he's from San Diego.

[Nick Vile]

Okay. How old is Taylor?

[Justin]

Taylor. Frankie Paul is 31.

[Nick Vile]

What?

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Shocking. I thought I would have guessed, like, 27.

[Leia]

Isn't Dakota younger than her too, though? Like, I don't think.

[Natalie]

Wow. She's against, I guess the other women. They're all like, I turned 24 this.

[Justin]

Episode and I'm like, I guess Dakota is 33. Oh, I think it's because you're thinking because other Mormon wife castmates are younger.

[Leia]

Onto the next Joe. He's just hot. I think he's got a great head of hair.

[Sierra]

He seems like He's. He is. According to these 10 pixels that are in this photo.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Where they get a photo from?

[Nick Vile]

Also, it's also giving a little Jason Tardick. There's a couple of Jason Tardy.

[Sierra]

There's a couple.

[Leia]

Jason Tardick's in here.

[Sierra]

Here's his ig.

[Nick Vile]

I'm guessing it's gonna be Los Angeles private.

[Leia]

Yep.

[Mary]

Yep.

[Shawn Johnson]

So.

[Sierra]

Oh, he's the host of sports betting network.

[Nick Vile]

Sports betting.

[Leia]

Oh, and my last one, of course, was Brad, because I think Brad's hot.

[Natalie]

Have you also seen him on your TikTok for you page?

[Leia]

I have never seen him. That was the first time that you. You saying that was the first time I've heard this, but I was like, he's giving kind of Jacob Elordi vibes. He's got boobs, a bale of hay on the back of a truck.

[Natalie]

Yeah. The Tiktoker that. That does days in his life.

[Leia]

And he's Newport Beach, California and Nashville. So, you know, he travels.

[Nick Vile]

Who's the guy I saw Milwaukee, Wisconsin on there.

[Leia]

He was my fourth choice, actually, because he seems like the nice guy, like the nice neighbor that you fall in love with, you know, from like, oh, my God. But then his.

[Natalie]

God.

[Leia]

But then look at his profile photo. So, like, unassuming. It's like, here's a 12 pack.

[Sierra]

I'm not into this.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

I immediately said no after Instagram.

[Nick Vile]

It's an aggressive flex.

[Mary]

Gonna be a no for me, dog.

[Nick Vile]

But credit to him, he's jacked.

[Leia]

It's just a difference from the photo that they chose versus the photo he presents himself.

[Nick Vile]

What's the yellow photo that Cosmo showed?

[Leia]

Like, he looks like he runs a coffee shop in Seattle or something.

[Natalie]

He does with his vest.

[Leia]

Really nice guy.

[Sierra]

I was about to put him on my list, and then I opened his IG and I saw his profile picture.

[Natalie]

And I was like, no, I don't love that he's wearing a vest, but I do wish the best for him.

[Nick Vile]

I hate a vest.

[Mary]

No, vests are for lesbians, and that's about it.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, the Midwest straight men invest. You know, ladies out there, your man should not be wearing a vest. The ultimate cringe is the vest. Shorts and flip flops with a visor.

[Sierra]

Visor.

[Shawn Johnson]

Where's the visor?

[Mary]

I'm going to start wearing that just to piss you off.

[Nick Vile]

It's a shocking. You would think that's just like a costume, but it's shockingly dark. Done.

[Sierra]

I. I do just want to shout out Richard because his last name is.

[Shawn Johnson]

Crazy what is it?

[Sierra]

Richard Vanda water.

[Natalie]

That's like Frankie Paul Vanderwater the most.

[Mary]

Oh, my God. Paul Vander Water.

[Nick Vile]

He's just a regular guy.

[Shawn Johnson]

Oh, he looks sweet.

[Natalie]

From Charleston, South Carolina. Love it.

[Nick Vile]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie]

I like the mustache.

[Nick Vile]

Mustache. Yeah.

[Sierra]

He is not private on Instagram.

[Nick Vile]

Oh, that's stock.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God. He's a photographer. Oh, he can shoot her content. I love this.

[Nick Vile]

Wait, I like it.

[Natalie]

He's so handsome. Wait, and he's how old? 35. Wait, I think I love this for her. I hope she's with Richard. Does she have her phone pick?

[Nick Vile]

Richard. All right, well, she's. It looks like a promising bunch of men.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

What is this drama going on with Whitney Levitt and her dancing partner? You guys sent a video about them addressing something. I kind of watched it. Can someone bring us up to Speak Speed?

[Justin]

I didn't know about this until they did, like, the quote unquote apology video. But basically, Whitney and Mark announced a ticket giveaway for the live show of Dancing with the Stars. And they promised tickets, flights, accommodations. But then soon after they announced it, they were forced by production and the network to cancel it because you can't do a giveaway for live tickets.

[Nick Vile]

What was. How did you qualify for the giveaway?

[Justin]

I don't remember, because I took that video down, and most people didn't see it until they did the apology. And in the apology, they're basically like, we just got out of rehearsal. We're so sorry. We were forced by the network to not do it. We can't actually do ticket giveaways, but we're gonna find, like, another method that works or another way to, like, make it feel like it was worth it to fans.

[Nick Vile]

I imagine people must be pissed about this because it's kind of giving animals cruise.

[Justin]

It's giving bribery a little bit. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Whitney was like, hey, guys, vote for us. And if you vote for us, you could potentially win tickets to the live show.

[Nick Vile]

Is that what it was?

[Justin]

I. I think it had them trying to show appreciation for the people that voted. Voted is what it was. I don't know, though, how they were.

[Natalie]

But how do you know?

[Nick Vile]

How do you know who voted that?

[Justin]

I. I mean, the original video is not up anymore, so I don't know what it is.

[Mary]

Maybe ABC was like, this doesn't make any sense. You can't do this.

[Nick Vile]

I kind of blame Mark.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

I do feel like he should know better. Like, well, Mark's been a pro dancer off and on forever. Like, he's an OG and, like, Whitney, you know, she's. This is kind of part of like the influencer mom life. The giveaways, you know, like, it's a fairly common thing. I doubt Whitney made the connection between, like, the optics of how this might look.

[Natalie]

I feel like this wasn't a conversation with anyone besides Whitney and Mark. Like, I feel like they weren't like, let's ask whoever's in charge of the. The tour and the live shows if we can do this. I think it was like, you know what we should do? Let's give away some TV shows.

[Nick Vile]

Like, definitely, like Whitney and her team's idea and then. But I feel like Mark should have been like, I'm not sure if we should do that.

[Leia]

The twist, it's kind of saying. Or why it got shut down because many people pointed out it seems like it would be a rules violation for a viewer vote based competition show.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Leia]

Bribing for votes, of course, is against the rules. And you should have talked to Disney, ABC before this. So I guess that's what it is, is like they can't sit here and offer a paid vacation. Here's your accommodations. And free tickets that are already free and be like, but vote for us.

[Nick Vile]

I feel like this is just an honest mistake sake. I think Mark should know better. I totally get why Whitney wouldn't have thought about something like this. And in the influencer space. Giveaways is a really common thing to do now and then, you know.

[Justin]

So I will say to Mary's point, the influencing space of giveaways has a history of being scams. Because I don't know if you guys remember Bethany Mota. No, but she used to do a ton of giveaways and she was the Internet. I'm sure a lot of our audience members know her.

[Nick Vile]

Anyways, what do you mean by scams?

[Justin]

Like, she would do. She would announce a giveaway, but she wouldn't send all the products that were allegedly in the giveaway. But like, it's a big way to rack up, like, followers and like, likes.

[Leia]

Like those with people that have, like.

[Nick Vile]

They wouldn't actually give the prizes that they claimed they would give.

[Justin]

Same thing with Kim Kardashian. I mean, I'm sure they do. Those ones are real. But like what Sierra said, like, you post with a ton of like Hermes bags and you're like, like this photo and you might be entered in the giveaway.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

And there's no way for anyone to track who's getting what.

[Justin]

I mean, I've never personally seen someone post those ones at Least.

[Leia]

And even then, some people could say that it's like whatever fine print in there where it's like, maybe they don't get everything that's in the picture, but you think you're submitting, getting for everything in the photo. And then it's like, well, you get the iPad in a bag, but not 20.

[Nick Vile]

I'm sure there have been scammy type of people, but I think also people have done giveaways and it's been very kosher and very legit.

[Mary]

I don't think Whitney was trying to scam.

[Leia]

I don't think so either.

[Mary]

Justice for Whitney.

[Sierra]

I also think she's good enough that she doesn't need to.

[Natalie]

I agree.

[Mary]

In the Housewives for a second, Garcelle told Andy Cohen her friendship with Sutton is over for good. Justin, how do you feel about this?

[Justin]

I mean, I was more surprised that she did watch what happens live.

[Natalie]

I know.

[Justin]

I thought it was kind of like we're kind of exiting the sphere of race. Reality tv.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. You're always going to stay in the good graces of Mr. Andy Cohen.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Her beef was in Sutton, not with Andy.

[Justin]

I think. I mean, she unfollowed all Sutton brands, like, or like Instagram social handles.

[Nick Vile]

I mean, that's a meaningful statement to come on. I mean, sometimes, you know, the fallout of a season's tensions are high. You know, you're in your fields and as they always say, you know, time heals all wounds, except for, you know, how you feel about stuff. Sutton, apparently. But yeah, I mean, for her to come on and be like, no, I don't fuck with her anymore. I've heard through other people, Garcel feels very backstabbed by Sutton. You know, Garcel really had Sutton's back through Thick or Thin. And I. And it's. It comes down to everything that I think people suspect and talk about is like, when push came to shove, Sutton chose Kyle.

[Shawn Johnson]

Yep.

[Nick Vile]

And kind of wanted to be in the. In group and. And kind of was quick to dismiss Garcel and having her back. And at a time or Garcelle, I think she feels like, I always had your back. You know, I was always there for you and when I needed something.

[Andrew East]

Yep.

[Nick Vile]

You didn't step up for me. It's kind of reminded me of this past episode of Real House was oc. I'm like, listen, I've said this on many episodes. We're good friends. It's subjective. You know, people want to say, I'm your friend, you're my friend. You know, we're best friends, you know, whatever it means, but, but like you can really tell who's really your friend in various moments. Like I, you know, now I talk about all the time and some things will happen and I'll say to, you know, they're not our friends or they're not your friend. And so when, when Shannon is having, you know, whatever you think about Alexis Bellino or whether Jen should be friends or not, like there's no less like Jen, be friends with Alexis. Maybe Shannon is overreacting. Right? Tamara came on the show, she likes Alexis, she thinks John is a stand up dude. Dude, that's not really the point. The point is you don't get to say, well, I'm your friend and you can count on me and I'll ride or die with you, but I'm cool with them because they haven't done anything to me. It's like, that's fine. But if you say that to me and I really don't fuck with someone and someone, you know, you might not agree with my point of view. But if I'm like, hey, they hurt me and they hurt my feelings and they've gone out of their way to cause me pain, Pain, you don't get to claim that you're my great friend if your response is to like, well, I fuck with him because they haven't done anything to me. That's not the point. Yeah, you know the point. Like, and again, maybe you can say like, hey, we're casuals. Like, yeah, I'm friendly with this person, we're friends, I get along with him, but they're like, I'm not there, like bestie, you know, like, there's a lot of people out there. Like, I'm cool with, I'm friendly with them, but the way, you know, the way Jen wants to like, demand Shannon's like, loyalty and closeness and like we're, you know, sisterhood. But then on the flip side, say, well, they haven't done anything to me is the most irritating response when people, they want their cake and eat it too. They want the we're ride or dies. I'm there for you through thick or thin. We're best friends, but like, they haven't done anything to me. So like, I'll hang out with, with them then that it's the most irritating thing in the world.

[Leia]

It's also the way she kind of turned it around on Shannon too, where it was just like, oh, if. So knowing that I'm friendly with Alexis makes you think of me differently. That's fucked up.

[Nick Vile]

And it's like, it makes us think of our friendship differently.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Like, I can't trust you or say anything around you because, I don't know, are you gonna go and, like, talk to this person that I'm not friends with or.

[Leia]

Heaven forbid you get mad at me for something that I don't know about and then you go run to Alexis about my shit. Like, I don't know.

[Natalie]

Well, if you have no idea what we're talking about. We do have a rapid recap of the most recent recent episode of the Real Housewives of Orange County. Shannon, in a move similar to Mary when she was in college, got too high last night and was still stoned the next day. Then Heather and Gina do shrooms and go look at tulips. Shannon grabs a plaster horse by the penis question mark. Jen is friends with Alexis, apparently, and can't understand why Shannon thinks that's weird. Gina thinks that Jen and Shannon's friendship is fake, as she also won't stop talking when she's high. Heather Dubrow is made to wear a hat that says I love. Gretchen tries to apologize to Tamra. Tamara says she's not relevant, but wants them to stop fighting. Fighting. Gretchen doesn't think that there will be a change because Tamara hasn't accepted Jesus Christ into her heart. Gretchen can't stop crying. Jen's broke allegations are brought up again. Tamara thinks she should get a job. Gretchen apparently has liked really gross posts on Instagram. No one says what the posts are, but Gina said Heather's gonna have a problem with that.

[Mary]

And that was O.C.

[Natalie]

And that was O.C.

[Nick Vile]

Do we know what the posts are?

[Mary]

I mean, I did some digging online and found what allegedly the posts.

[Justin]

You don't have to do digging. I mean, before the season even aired, people know Gretchen Rossi engages with certain posts. Like, she comments on them, she likes them. You can literally easily search it.

[Mary]

Yeah. And to be honest, like, I think a lot of my attitude towards Gretchen as we have been covering this stems from being aware of that and not liking that. So.

[Natalie]

Well, I think we wait to make our judgments until the finale where we.

[Nick Vile]

See what this will obviously be addressed at the reunion.

[Natalie]

I'm assuming this is part of the finale and obviously the reunion, so.

[Justin]

Yeah, it is. It is a part of the finale. I was telling Mary that I hate that the sound bite of Gretchen screaming that I've been waiting for is from the finale, addressing these posts. Yeah, because I wish it was something that wasn't actually important.

[Natalie]

But what was the sound I think.

[Justin]

It'S her being like, like, why would you do that to me? Or like, I'm not that person. Or it's like it's something. But she's like screaming into the car in a black outfit. And that was in like the original trailer. And I've been waiting for that sound bite. And like, now that it's a part of this, I'm like, ugh.

[Natalie]

I do think it was fucked up that Gina decided to tell Shannon at the table that Jen did not not want her bridal shower.

[Nick Vile]

That was wild.

[Natalie]

Yeah, like she thought it was ridiculous. Like, Gina, shut up, Gina.

[Nick Vile]

This whole episode she was on mushrooms, I guess.

[Natalie]

But mushrooms doesn't make you like that chatty.

[Justin]

I was gonna say mushrooms don't do that to you, girl.

[Mary]

My guess is she micro dosed and then also smoked weed.

[Nick Vile]

That's a good call. Yeah, yeah.

[Leia]

She was just hungry and just saying how she felt.

[Justin]

I think she wanted to start drama and she took a shroom and she's like, here's my excuse.

[Mary]

She was like, you know what? I'm on shrooms. I don't think think you guys like each other.

[Natalie]

Yeah. I was like.

[Leia]

Because that you could see like her brain like working it out while she was saying it. Because at the same time, it didn't make sense how she was trying to call herself into it being like, and I have put my family back together. And she wouldn't say, there's no party for me. So everyone else was.

[Mary]

You do get really honest.

[Nick Vile]

I do have to say though, I mean, yeah, sure, she was wrong, but like, Jen also didn't need to like, low key, throw a little shade in Shannon's direction for the kindness that Shannon. Shannon tried to do for Jen. I mean, like, there was only one way for Gina to interpret Jen saying that was because it was, you know, it was done in a kind of a talking kind of catty sort of like, oh my God, I would never do that. But like, I guess you can throw me a party. And clearly Shannon put forth effort into this party. I mean, if you, if you're Shannon and you did this for a friend and you saw a clip of that friend, friend having that conversation with Gina, that would hurt your feelings.

[Leia]

I think that would hurt my feelings 10 times more than a high Gina telling me the second time around, you.

[Nick Vile]

Know, is Gina wrong? Sure. But I think more than anyone, like, you know, don't kill the messenger.

[Justin]

By the way. You know what this was giving to me was Beverly Hills, the weed dinner. When Denise was like, thank you to Erica. And Erica's like, what? Where it's like, the conversation with Gina was going, like, five different ways. And, like, everybody was catching a story until Emily was like, do you ever just shut up?

[Leia]

Well, and it even backs up Emily's point where she was like, your friendship seems fake because you are going with other people and kind of talking shit about Shannon, but then being like, here's our synchronized dance.

[Justin]

But also, the fakeness goes both ways, though. Like, and I love Shanna. But it was weird because by the end of the episode, they were, like, doing synchronized dancing in the crowd, like, going off by themselves. And I'm like, weren't you just fighting two seconds ago? Like, so it does feel weird. Yeah.

[Shawn Johnson]

I don't.

[Mary]

I don't see their friendship lasting for years upon years upon years.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Mary]

You know what I mean? They don't seem ride or die to me, but they seem like convenient allies on the show.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. Well, you know what? Our friendship is that I just think will last for years. Despite the current drama of this season of Salt Lake City is Mary and Angie. We watched the premiere season of Wife Swap, Housewives edition. Angie from Salt Lake City was your premier housewife, and Mary made a little cameo. And it was like a really cool glimpse to. You know, it felt like a more honest glimpse into their friends friendship, where, like, Mary stopped by to check on the family. I mean, obviously they're still filming, but it was like, even in that brief glimpse of this cameo, it was very. It just was very different vibes. In, like, a Salt Lake City episode, Mary seemed to be dressed more casual. You really saw the bond and the closeness. Anyways, it's a really charming show. I mean, it was. It's. I don't know if they're gonna always do this. I imagine they will, but, like, a housewife swaps with a. A fan. A normal wife with a very interesting life. The family that Angie swapped with was, like, living off the grid of complete homestead.

[Natalie]

I mean, it was just, like, cheap, no running water.

[Nick Vile]

You had a toilet with a plastic bag in it.

[Natalie]

I'm glad to know. It's only, what, 24 hours, right?

[Justin]

It was 48, right?

[Nick Vile]

48.

[Natalie]

But, like, that's better than I thought. It was like a week, you know?

[Justin]

Me too.

[Natalie]

Like, yeah, at least it's only two days. And it was cute to, like, Angie took the husband out and he was like. And they're like, he's, like, crying. He's like, she taught me that, like, I can. Oh, my God. It was just. It Was very heartwarming and it was very sweet.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Mary]

I think it was also really cute for, like, Elektra to, like, plant a little garden and, like, it was nice.

[Nick Vile]

I was like, she was so over that. The team.

[Mary]

She was so over.

[Nick Vile]

She was like, when's this. When's this woman leaving?

[Mary]

I know her name's not actually Electric Cats and Avis. I don't know what Sean's last name. Um, but to be Electra Castanevis is a dream of mine. I would love. I would love her life.

[Natalie]

Well, we also had married at first sight. It's the new season. It's. Is it now streaming on Peacock?

[Nick Vile]

It's now streaming on Peacock. I think it used to be on, like a Lifetimer or something. I don't know how to find. But if you. If you are a Bravo fan and you are often finding yourself on Peacock, it is a wacky show.

[Natalie]

These people, they, like, seem normal, but then you, like, you know, they're not because they're marrying a show stranger.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Like, what happened in your past relationship that you're marrying a stranger?

[Natalie]

And they're all like, my. They're all like 27, like, young. And I'm like, you still got time maybe.

[Nick Vile]

I'm here to advocate for these people because one, I think dating is hard, you know, and for. If you're out there and we talk to a lot of people and people are churning and burning through dates and, you know, I think most of the problem when it comes to dating, dating is the person you're looking at in the mirror. You know, it's just like, there's so many options if things aren't perfect. We have lost the, like, kind of the old fashionedness of, like, love, which is like, you just. You make it fucking work. I'm not. Obviously. It's crazy. I am just saying when you look at the stats of these relationships from the past, you know, you have 11 marriages, you have like 14 kids. They have better stats than Bachelor Nation. And I don't know, in a world where, like, people are lonelier than ever, I'm. Who am I to judge? People are like, you know what? Fuck it. Give me someone who wants to make a marriage work, that wants to have a family that is like, I don't know. All I'm saying, it's not as, like, crazy as, like, people like us would assume based of how we date and live our lives, that the happiness factor in these relationships are far better than you would assume.

[Leia]

I guess what's harder for me is just the Love is blind. Like at least you like have this like talking. So you're like falling in love with someone's soul per se. But like to be married and then be like, now I'm finding out everything about you. Like just, I, I, and I'm gonna watch, but I'm just like this, that whole concept blows my mind.

[Nick Vile]

I want to find like, are these like, are they signing a marriage certificate? Because like destination weddings, very popular these days. Days if you go, let's say go to Mexico, for example, for your, for your wedding, you're not actually married by that ceremony because you can't get legally married in Mexico if you're a United States citizen. So often you will go to a courthouse prior to or following said ceremony.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Nick Vile]

So I don't know where these wedding takes place. It seems like they're taking place in the States. But like you could have, you know, you could have a TV ceremony. I wonder if these are legally binding. Binding?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Right off the jump.

[Mary]

Okay. Honestly, I kind of like locked into it more than love is blind. I think I was saying earlier that it does. I think the fact that they're married and they both, everyone's like, whoa. Kind of helps me suspend my disbelief a little bit more.

[Andrew East]

Yeah.

[Mary]

So I'm like, you know what, I think everyone is a bit self aware that this is insane. So let's see how it goes. And I, because love is blind and like, I don't know, some of these other dating shows, I'm just like, okay, let's be friends for real.

[Nick Vile]

Well, the first two couples got married in episode one were like tonight's point, like normal. Like they're both attractive couples. They, they clearly are matching him with the intent of having this work out. They both seem like they're, you know, physical equals. They're attractive people. Compelling stories. Who's the one guy who's like, his mom was in prison and he met his dad.

[Justin]

It was Jayla a couple weeks ago.

[Nick Vile]

And he's like a self employed roofer who's making pretty good money. Will and Brittany, they're both kind of like, I thought it was really cute where they're talking about like their types and they're both kind of describing like a nerd in a way.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

You know.

[Justin]

Brittany was the interesting one to me because in the intro she's the one that's crying at the end saying like, I've never felt love like this before. And I was like, see, that's emotion.

[Nick Vile]

When he was talking to Brittany's dad about like, are you religious? That was hilarious.

[Mary]

That was awesome.

[Natalie]

He's like going into the history of religion.

[Nick Vile]

No, but your family loves Jesus Christ, right? And he's like.

[Mary]

And he was like, well, the crusader.

[Nick Vile]

The Christians killed a lot of people.

[Mary]

The crusades were like, really, really devastating.

[Nick Vile]

So. And he was like, all right, well, you play dominoes?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Mary]

He's like, no, but spades, yeah, he definitely wasn't.

[Natalie]

Will's definitely not like a people pleaser. He's like, I don't.

[Shawn Johnson]

This is who I am.

[Mary]

No.

[Natalie]

So I won't play dominoes with you, but I will play spades.

[Mary]

I really liked him. Him even just like using. Because sometimes I'll use words and people are like, why are you saying that word? And I'm like, can I not just use a vocab word for fun?

[Nick Vile]

There's four episodes of Married at First Sight streaming now on peac. It's a little bit of a slow season, but before we get to, you know, some Bachelorette and some other love competition shows. So if you're looking for a jaw dropping show where you can follow people falling in love, check this out. That will do it for this episode. Thank you to our guest Shawn Johnson and her husband Andrew East. Also, do not forget to check out tomorrow's Going Deeper with Brittany Bateman from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. It's an episode you will not want to miss. We got some amazing guests for you on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap. Jen and Bedor returns to the show along with Emily Baker, our legal correspondent to get a little update on all things the Wendy Acepho arrest. Wendy is fighting back in the court of public opinion and in the court of law. Emily Baker will be here to break it all down with us. Plus, probably give us some updates on some other celebrity legal battles going out there in the zeitgeist of pop culture. All that and more. We'll see you tomorrow. Bye Bye. Sam.