E1025 - Wendy Osefo & Bravo Lawsuit Updates w/ Emily Baker, RHOSLC, RHOP, DWTS & A Salt Lake Slasher Special

Summary

The Viall Files - Episode E1025

Wendy Osefo & Bravo Lawsuit Updates w/ Emily Baker, RHOSLC, RHOP, DWTS & A Salt Lake Slasher Special
Release Date: October 30, 2025
Host: Nick Viall (with Natalie Joy, Sierra, Justin, Mary and special guest Emily D. Baker)

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Episode Overview

This Reality Recap episode of The Viall Files is a jam-packed exploration of reality TV’s biggest legal scandals and the week’s Bravo drama. With guest Emily D. Baker—a former LA County assistant district attorney and legal commentator—Nick and the team break down:

• The latest in Wendy Osefo’s (RHOP) felony insurance fraud case,
• The evolving Bravo lawsuit landscape,
• Unpacking drama on RHOSLC, Potomac, and a dash of DWTS controversy,
• Plus, a hilarious “Salt Lake Slasher” horror-movie roast of Real Housewives.

The tone is lively, irreverent, and filled with both sharp insight and off-the-cuff laughs.

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Key Segments and Discussion Points

Opening Banter & Updates

[04:19-09:00]

• Nick opens with his signature playful rapport with wife Natalie Joy and the “Household.”
• Announces Shannon Storm Beador’s delayed guest appearance, promising juicy insights post-OC finale:

  "She had a lot to say. We would be remiss to waste Shannon’s appearance and not be able to talk to her about what we got to see at the finale." — Nick Viall [06:25]

• Natalie recounts running into Gretchen Rossi at a Christmas movie premiere, teasing off-screen dynamics between ex-Housewives and discussion of the intense upcoming OC reunion.
• Brief pop culture news: Johnny Knoxville rebooting Fear Factor, hilarious sidebar on who would win.

Dancing With The Stars: Social Buzz & Backstage Drama

[09:00-19:00]

• Spirited debate about Maxim Chmerkovskiy’s podcast remarks questioning DWTS pro qualifications, with Nick defending his former partner Peta and discussing how Gen Z is reviving the show's popularity.
• The group dissects recent unfair contestant eliminations and show injuries:

  "It's kind of giving a little jelly... but as a fan, all these people are moving their bodies in ways most of us couldn't." — Nick Viall [10:15]

• Predictions for top three: Robert Irwin, Dylan, Alex Earle, Whitney.

Bravo & Reality TV Musings

[22:00-24:00]

• The Household unpacks OC reunion party gossip—Sheena Shay’s ex DJing, cast format rumors, and curiosity about how cast perceptions will evolve post-reunion.

  "Bravo really tows a very fine line with some of the behaviors. There is clearly a theme... of platforming dangerous storylines." — Nick Viall [24:00]

• Group discusses how Bravo storylines can impact families and reputations off-screen.

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Spotlight Segment: Legal Brief with Emily D. Baker

[29:51-73:16]

Emily’s Legal World & Pop Culture Cases

[29:51-34:48]

• Emily describes juggling high-profile trials and “pop culture law,” highlighting the Corey Richards (Utah “grief book” poisoning) case and the surprising dynamics in current courtrooms.

  "I have a judge I work for who said, 'We don't catch the smart ones.' And it tends to be true." — Emily D. Baker [50:16]

• Notable details: Prosecutors' courtroom personalities, sensational witness statements, and the ongoing spectacle of the legal system.

Justin Baldoni vs. Blake Lively Lawsuit Update

[35:46-40:57]

• Nick and Emily review why this closely watched Hollywood lawsuit’s public drama has calmed, but filings are still heavy.
• Emily notes: multiple tangential lawsuits, discovery disputes (deleted messages, Taylor Swift deposition debate), and the judge’s directive to keep things in court:

  “The judge was like, children, stop it. What are you doing? This is not what we do in federal court.” — Emily D. Baker [39:05]

• March '26 trial date is at risk due to sheer complexity; public PR battles have ceased per judge’s demand.

Deep Dive: Wendy Osefo (RHOP) Insurance Fraud Case

[40:57-51:31]

• Emily breaks down the charges:
  • Wendy and husband Eddie face seven and nine felonies, plus misdemeanor insurance fraud.
  • Potential penalties: jail time plus civil fines up to $1.3 million (3x claimed value).
  • Evidence includes emails discussing upping the claim, surveillance gaps, stolen goods found at home, and an awkward timeline (wearing allegedly “stolen” jewelry in public).
  • Emily points out the legal differences between book smart and “street smart,” especially since Eddie is an attorney/tax specialist:

    "You can’t tell me you don’t know... He stands to potentially lose his law license..." — Emily D. Baker [48:32]

  • Emily predicts a likely plea, stressing the consequences (both legal and reputational).
• Wendy and team’s public response is cautious (“looking forward to our day in court”) rather than defiant:

  “A restrained statement... Anything said publicly or in court will be used against you.” — Emily D. Baker [46:36]

• The group discusses the pressure of reality TV to maintain appearances, and the real-life fallout for the families involved.

Legal Explainer: Can Bravo Pay Housewife Criminals for On-Air Cases?

• Rumors swirl Bravo may pay Wendy Osefo a hefty amount for exclusive rights to her trial as TV storyline.
• Emily explains "Son of Sam" laws: Typically, any payout would go toward reimbursing victims (here, the insurance company).
• Bravo could still air it, but exclusive rights may face restrictions.

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RHOSLC Rapid Recap & Legal Shenanigans

[55:26-59:46]

• Sierra delivers a brisk, comedic run-through of the Salt Lake City yacht episode:
  • Captain Jason “Below Deck” crossover, Heather’s hidden hookups, planted cucumbers, drink-throwing chaos.
  • Lisa Barlow’s anxious, defensive “SZA album cover” meltdown, with group weighing if Lisa’s denial of story-planting is credible.

    "There are times where it feels like Lisa is just saying to everyone exactly what she's doing..." — Emily D. Baker [59:46]

• Emily, as legal analyst, says Lisa’s hyper-defensive behavior is “a lot,” and not surprising given her season-long obsession with rumors.

RHOSLC Real-Life Legal Allegations

[60:41-61:55]

• The “sealed” identity theft/grand theft case against Bronwyn is unpacked: details hard to confirm, but serves as gossip fodder regardless.
• Emily points out a recurring pattern: bringing up old rumors without verification is now a Bravo staple.

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Sloppy Bravolebrity Crimes:

  "In fraud cases, oftentimes it’s the hubris that gets you..." — Emily D. Baker [49:16]
  "It’s 2025. I don’t even talk shit via text..." — Nick Viall [47:48]

• On Bravo Platforming Scandal:

  "There is clearly a theme across this franchise of platforming dangerous storylines that affect families." — Nick Viall [24:00]

• On the Salt Lake Drama:

  "She was eating caviar and the caviar spoon slowly dropped from her fingertips." — Mary (Salt Lake Slasher roast, [85:13])
  "The sea is not the only thing making these ladies wet." — Sierra (RHOSLC recap, [57:13])

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Special Feature: The Salt Lake Slasher

[82:09-88:49]

• Mary shares a comedic horror-movie pitch casting the RHOSLC cast as horror movie victims and killers—with Reality Von Teese as the masked slasher, and surprise reveals (Heather as the final villain).
• The Household and listeners crack up, blending genuine fandom with tongue-in-cheek homage.

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Potomac Recap & Real Housewives Dynamics

[88:50-95:49]

• Mary delivers an equally irreverent RHOP rapid recap: robe snubs, “tongue in cheek” vs. “chin checking,” FaceTune drama, and social pecking order.
• Natalie and others discuss the group’s tendency to “smell weakness” and pick on less aggressive cast members.
• Group debates whether repeated fights are “staged” for production, calling out the franchise’s formula but also the impact on real relationships.

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Final Moments & Teasers

[95:49-end]

• The group shares personal athlete “wag” trivia amusingly.
• Nick plugs upcoming episodes: interview with Sparkle Megan and her ex, anticipated interview with Shannon Beador.
• Emily previews continuing legal fallout in the Karen Read case (Trooper Proctor/phone scandal), confirming the never-ending drama of reality law intersecting with reality TV.

"Any media organization can apply... I'm sure Bravo wants exclusive rights to the car ride before court and after court and interviews with the lawyers." — Emily D. Baker [54:35]

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Timestamps by Topic

• Teaser/Household Banter: [04:19-09:00]
• DWTS Gossip: [09:00-19:00]
• Bravo/Episodic Recaps: [22:00-26:09]
• Legal Deep Dive (Emily Baker): [29:51-73:16]
• RHOSLC Recap/Legal Tangents: [55:26-61:55]
• Salt Lake Slasher Segment: [82:09-88:49]
• Potomac Recap: [88:50-95:49]
• Outro/Plugs: [95:49-end]

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Guest Info:
Emily D. Baker
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Next week:
Shannon Beador post-OC finale, Sparkle Megan & Jordan together, and more Reality Recaps.

Transcript

[Nick Viall]

Morning Zoe. Got donuts.

[Natalie Viall]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Natalie Viall]

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[Mary]

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[Natalie Viall]

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[Emily D. Baker]

Wow.

[Nick Viall]

Impressive. Let me try. T Mobile is the best place to get iPhone 17 Pro because they've got the best network.

[Sierra]

Nice.

[Natalie Viall]

Je free.

[Nick Viall]

You heard them. T Mobile is the best place to get the new iPhone 17 Pro on us with eligible traded in any condition. So what are we having for lunch?

[Natalie Viall]

Dude, my work here is done.

[Emily D. Baker]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Emily D. Baker]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Emily D. Baker]

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[Sierra]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Sierra]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Sierra]

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[Nick Viall]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the VI Files Reality Recap edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by my wife.

[Sierra]

Nope, just wife today. We're not even here. We're not here.

[Natalie Viall]

All right?

[Justin]

Just.

[Sierra]

No, no, no. Just wife. Not beautiful, smart, talented, Honey, funny. Honey, honey.

[Nick Viall]

Just now the light of my world, the queen of my universe.

[Natalie Viall]

There you go.

[Nick Viall]

Oxygen in my lungs.

[Justin]

Mother Nature herself.

[Sierra]

The oxygen in his tank.

[Nick Viall]

My sole purpose for existing now. Enjoy, everybody.

[Natalie Viall]

Period.

[Sierra]

That was a good one. That was a good one.

[Justin]

Thank you. Yeah.

[Mary]

We're also here.

[Nick Viall]

I think we need to make a montage of every intro going forward.

[Sierra]

Yeah, we should do, like, a ranking of, like, best to worst.

[Nick Viall]

Yes.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Nick Viall]

We have a fantastic episode for you today. Some. I have some. I got some good news. Wait, I got some bad. I got some bad news. Okay, well, I got some good news. I got some bad news. I got some good news. I got some great news. Ooh. Okay. Bad news is. I know we told you on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap that Shannon Storm Bedor would be joining us. This episode of Reality Recap. That is not happening today. That's some bad news. That is the bad news. The good news is. Who is joining us today? Emily D. Baker, our unofficial or official legal correspondent of the Internet, to go over some of your favorite cases in pop culture, including the Wendy SFO case. That's currently all going on in the universe of Bravo and Real Housewives of Potomac. And a lot more to get into. We'll get a quick update about the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively clays, along with some Karen Reed tea stuff going on with the police department. All that and so much more. We'll also break down some Salt Lake City with our girl, Emily D. Baker. The great news is Shannon Storm Beador is going to be with us on Tuesday. We. She came. She came into the studio yesterday. I flew into L. A. I was worried.

[Sierra]

We trashed the episode. Sweating.

[Nick Viall]

I know, I know, I know. But. But we decided to hold the episode because we got our hands on the finale that does air tonight. And your girl Shannon, she was activated. She was triggered. She had a lot to say. And we would be remiss to waste that Shannon's appearance and not be able to talk to her about what we got to see at the finale. Let's just say you're not going to want to miss it.

[Natalie Viall]

Big facts.

[Nick Viall]

I love Shannon. She's a hoot, right? Yeah, she really brightens my day. And real, real comedic timing, that one.

[Justin]

Yes.

[Mary]

No.

[Natalie Viall]

Unexpected.

[Mary]

I did tell her. I was like, your physical comedy is, like, amazing.

[Justin]

And for context, people are going to see the best promo ever.

[Sierra]

Ever.

[Justin]

She's always down to play.

[Mary]

She's always down to clown.

[Sierra]

Well, speaking of Shannon, guess who I ran into last night?

[Natalie Viall]

Who did you run into?

[Sierra]

Gretchen Rossi and Slayer.

[Nick Viall]

Who was the topic of conversation with our. With our conversation with Shannon.

[Sierra]

It was definitely a topic of conversation. Random. I was at the Christmas ring movie premiere starring Jana Kramer and starring Jesse James Decker and Kelsey Grammer, who is actually having his eighth child with his fourth wife, and he is, I believe, 70. So that's crazy.

[Justin]

That guy.

[Mary]

I'm sorry.

[Sierra]

Well, you know, he was. He did kind of piss me off in the movie, so. So there's a little spoiler for ya. But, yeah, no, Gretchen and Slade were there, and they walked in, and I was like this. First of all, Nick was supposed to come with me, and he didn't. So I brought Victoria Fuller, friend of show.

[Nick Viall]

Obviously, I was on a plane.

[Sierra]

Doesn't matter.

[Nick Viall]

I was interviewing Shannon.

[Sierra]

I was interviewing Shannon, and so I literally had just interviewed Shannon that morning via Zoom. And then I see Gretchen and Slade, and I'm like, gretchen. And she's like, hi. And I'm like, I'm Natalie, Nick Viall's wife. The Vial files. And she was like, oh, my God, yes. Huge fan, like, of everything y' all do. And I was like, we actually just interviewed Shannon this morning. How crazy. And she was like, yes, I know. She called me. She told me, and she was like, congrats on all of y' all's success. And I was like, well, congrats on an amazing season. She was like, well, it doesn't feel like it. And I was like, well, yeah, I heard finale's a little rough. And she, you know, she remains her innocence, which is interesting.

[Nick Viall]

Well, find out more on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap.

[Natalie Viall]

Let's just say that I can't wait for this finale.

[Nick Viall]

The reunion sounds like it's gonna be bananas.

[Sierra]

The reunion sounds crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Well, Dancing with the Stars. Last night was last night. It was Halloween night. Rip.

[Natalie Viall]

So sad.

[Sierra]

Jim Affleck. Guys, do you feel like it was because Max Chermasky went on the podcast with his wife PETA and said that, like, Yan. Jan. Yan.

[Nick Viall]

Jan.

[Sierra]

Yes, I think it's Yan.

[Nick Viall]

Well, Natalie is trying to say my former dance partner.

[Sierra]

He doesn't deserve to be a pro.

[Natalie Viall]

No, that was messed up.

[Sierra]

He said that, like, he's. He's a great dancer, but, like, he's not a professional ballroom dancer, and he doesn't deserve to be a pro. And that if Jin gets eliminated, it will be because of him, like, not being a good enough teacher, which I feel like maybe swayed the public because I thought that dance was so good. Am I alone in that?

[Nick Viall]

I thought it was fine.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, I was like. I think in comparison to some of the other dances, it was a little, but it was still good.

[Sierra]

I mean, compared to her last. Yeah, like, she isn't getting better and better. And better. Which is like all you can hope for in this thing.

[Nick Viall]

Well, I just want to preface this by saying PETA is a dear friend. She was my dancing partner. We remain close.

[Sierra]

He didn't say it.

[Nick Viall]

She didn't, she didn't disagree.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, she had tidbits too, saying that.

[Nick Viall]

He was, she backed her husband the fuck up. I, Max and I were great friends on dancing. I had a bit of a boy crush on him. This is all to say I, I listen, I get where they're coming from, but it's, it's. He might not be wrong, but it's kind of giving a little jelly. A little, you know, Obviously Max and Peter are not pros this season. Haven't been. Max hasn't been in some time. I don't know if he wants to. I don't know how that all works. Yada, yada, yada. But as a fan of the show and a former dancer on the show, again, like, this show has revived us.

[Sierra]

By the way, what Semifinalist, by the way.

[Nick Viall]

Thank you very much. Not too long ago, like, didn't they cancel Dancing with the Stars? Wasn't it off the ear for air for a period of time? Didn't even. They bring it back when it wasn't even live like this. And now it's truly been revitalized and it's, you know, being embraced not only by senior citizens because, like, honestly, that was a huge part of their audience. Gen Z is now like showing up and really revitalizing the show. Am I wrong on that? Is that, Am I accurate with my history in the past few years of this show?

[Justin]

I'm looking it up. It looks like it's been delayed but never put on pause. Let me.

[Emily D. Baker]

Okay.

[Sierra]

I just know that this season in particular is like, I would think it.

[Natalie Viall]

Was season two because I feel like Dancing with the Stars was kind of like where people were like, it was like stereotyped as a place that people would go to like revive their relevancy or revive their careers. And now it's like people going on with like full on followings and it's bringing younger cast members or younger viewers in to watch. Like Alex Earle, who also.

[Justin]

Nick has a point. It was moved to Disney for one year exclusively and then it returned back to abc.

[Nick Viall]

This is all to say it really didn't have a home and it was clearly not performing well and it's been revitalized. And part of that is that they really modernize the show. Like, like Sierra mentioned obviously some with the casting, you know, it being A little less stuffy, dare I say, with some of the traditional, like, requirements that, like, as a fan, no one gives a fuck about. Like, as long as, like, all these people on the dance floor are moving their bodies in ways that most of us watching be like, I can't do that.

[Sierra]

But that is why I said my point of maybe I feel like, because Max said that it, like, encouraged or influenced the audience to like, be like, oh, yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe let's not vote for her. Like, you know, because I don't think her dance deserved, like, an elimination. I, you know, like, I mean, it's entirely possible.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. I don't know how close this stuff is. Maybe it's just a coincidence.

[Sierra]

And I think Jan Yan love either, honestly, whichever he decides to go with, but I think he's like, very loved on social media. Yawn.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Sierra]

All of the above. And I think he's very loved on social media. And he gets on his. His TikTok lives and I'm giggling like, I'm kicking my feet and I'm giggling and I think he's so funny. And like, I don't think that they deserve to be eliminated.

[Nick Viall]

I. I think it's kind of. I think it was kind of a bad look for. For. For Max again.

[Justin]

He.

[Nick Viall]

He might not be wrong, but, like, his comments are kind of like suggesting that he's a little jealous. And like, of course he got casted because he's Dan, Taylor Swift's background dancer. And it's Taylor Swift. And I. As soon as I found out that that's where he came from, I became more interested. It's fascinating.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

You know, and he has a cult.

[Justin]

Following because of that.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. He's clearly an excellent dancer. That's the point. Like, I. Why does Dancing with the Stars have to be traditional ballroom? You know, like, they still have ballroom, but why does it have to be limited and exclusive to that? But you're right. I don't know. Maybe it have an impact. I mean, it. It's giving conspiracy theory that he said that and like, that that's the week that she's off. But we're getting into the stage of the season where, like, you have a great cast and who would you have eliminated is the. Begs the question if you.

[Sierra]

I think it definitely would have been in bad taste to eliminate Elaine, considering she did leave on a stretcher during rehearsal and they didn't even play like they played her rehears. So I guess it would have been in bad faith for sure. But I did, you know, I felt like Whitney's wasn't as.

[Nick Viall]

Oh, is that why they were wearing.

[Emily D. Baker]

What they were wearing?

[Sierra]

Yeah, that's why no one's in the audience. They're wearing workout clothes.

[Natalie Viall]

My fiance was like, what's.

[Justin]

Why.

[Natalie Viall]

Why are her pants like that? And I was like, well, is this the dress rehearsal?

[Nick Viall]

Dress rehearsal is dress rehearsal. You wear your.

[Natalie Viall]

It's just a rehearsal.

[Sierra]

No, this is just a rehearsal. And she left on a stretcher.

[Natalie Viall]

She got injured.

[Sierra]

Yeah. During the dance, so.

[Natalie Viall]

And they gave her straight eights across the board. But again, I'm like. And maybe I'm a heart heartless judge, but, like, it would be one of those things where I'm like, I know Andy Richter right now is a. Is like a show favorite and he is improving week by week. But I'm also kind of like, if she's injured bad and taken out on.

[Sierra]

A stretcher, like, is she gonna be here next week? And if she's not, that's not fair to have eliminated Jen.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, also the reality is, is that with Whitney and Jen Boeing both being on the season, they're eating into each other's votes. And so unless. And they. I think they both did very well. And. But Whitney, I think we all agree, is a step above. She's an excellent performer. Mark is like a legend in the. In the. In the dance floor. It's an excellent choreographer. Yeah. And I think Whitney has the advantage there. So I think it kind of makes sense that this was. Was Jen's time.

[Sierra]

You know, in the same week that Max said his comments.

[Nick Viall]

Definitely coincidence. Yeah, definitely. Like, it's. It's giving. You know, if you want to believe in a good, juicy conspiracy, like, we got one for sure.

[Natalie Viall]

My tin hat is on.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Alix Earl. I thought her performance this week was phenomenal.

[Sierra]

Yeah, she's really good.

[Natalie Viall]

Then crawling out of the dirt and then it was just like the movements of like I was like, I believe you all are dead.

[Sierra]

Yeah. It was giving spooky for sure.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

And I thought Whitney Carson coming up on that harp. Did you see that? Did anyone else notice that. That she was from the harp? I think it's a harp.

[Natalie Viall]

In the beginning of her.

[Nick Viall]

Did they get out of the bed?

[Sierra]

No. Well, that was Alex and it made Robert and Whitney. Oh, this is.

[Natalie Viall]

No, this is Dylan.

[Nick Viall]

I thought Dylan's was great.

[Natalie Viall]

Did you hear that Dylan Brooks got his nose broken this week? So we had two injuries.

[Sierra]

Lots of injuries.

[Nick Viall]

Is this okay? Is it going to heal okay?

[Natalie Viall]

His face is perfect. I mean, his face Is fine. His face is good.

[Mary]

His face is.

[Sierra]

It's normal.

[Natalie Viall]

It's a normal thing.

[Justin]

Pull it up and check, like.

[Sierra]

Watch Whitney rise from the harp.

[Nick Viall]

Show us Whitney.

[Natalie Viall]

This is.

[Sierra]

She's rising from the harp. Oh, are you kidding?

[Nick Viall]

That is definitely not a harp. That is a. Nope. That's neither that. It is a bass violin.

[Justin]

A bass. Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Oh, standing bass.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

Okay.

[Sierra]

Band camp.

[Nick Viall]

I was in. I was an orchestra. Yes. Yes.

[Natalie Viall]

What did you play?

[Sierra]

Wait, what?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. And I played the violin.

[Sierra]

I played the violin.

[Natalie Viall]

I did not know it for how many years?

[Nick Viall]

Four.

[Sierra]

Oh, my years played a violin.

[Nick Viall]

I progressively got worse. I do know how to hold the ball. Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

I played one year.

[Sierra]

Wait, I don't. You've never told me that.

[Nick Viall]

I'm not proud of it.

[Sierra]

How old were you?

[Nick Viall]

I started in fourth grade and played till eighth.

[Sierra]

That is like a real career. We should get you a violin.

[Nick Viall]

I had one.

[Mary]

Oh, my God. Vile Powell's band.

[Nick Viall]

I used to have one.

[Mary]

I've been dreaming of this when I play.

[Sierra]

What happened to it when you threw it in the trash?

[Nick Viall]

I think they probably sold it.

[Sierra]

Wow.

[Nick Viall]

Is that hot.

[Sierra]

I mean, you heard in fourth grade, so, like. No, but it's really, like, interesting to continue to learn things about my husband.

[Nick Viall]

I was so bad. Like, during the. The concerts, I would just pretend.

[Natalie Viall]

Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

You wouldn't even let it touch the street.

[Nick Viall]

Sometimes I would, but it would. It was never helpful.

[Sierra]

I would love to get. Maybe I'll get you a violin for Christmas. I would love to see you play.

[Nick Viall]

I have no interest. I really hated it. Who do you like? Let's get our final three predictions. I'm going to go with Robert Irwin. Dylan.

[Sierra]

I think Alex. Earl or Whitney.

[Nick Viall]

I want to say Alex or Whitney for top three. I'm going to go.

[Justin]

Top two is Rob or Robert or Whitney.

[Natalie Viall]

Alex. First Rob and then Whitney. She's killing it every week.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, but it's not always about the best answer.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, but I think she's got a lot of support and I think she's getting better every week. And I think she's got a huge following.

[Nick Viall]

She was always good.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

And I think you're seeing more incremental improvement from Dylan.

[Natalie Viall]

Okay.

[Nick Viall]

I also am biased, though.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, a little bit. I'm gonna go with Alex as my winner.

[Nick Viall]

Alex is your winner.

[Sierra]

I'm gonna go with Robert as my winner.

[Nick Viall]

Tar did not imagine Robert winning.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

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[Sierra]

How exciting.

[Nick Viall]

Johnny Knoxville for the bringing back Fear Factor. That's kind of big.

[Mary]

This is really exciting for me as a Jackass fan.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, this is going to do well.

[Mary]

As a Johnny Knoxville girly. Yeah. Yeah.

[Sierra]

This will be fun.

[Nick Viall]

I'm excited for that.

[Natalie Viall]

Eating bugs, old eggs.

[Mary]

He's perfect for this.

[Natalie Viall]

Oh, I'm so excited.

[Justin]

I would win Fear Factor.

[Natalie Viall]

Oh, my God. Justin, apply.

[Mary]

I think I could win Fear Factor, too.

[Natalie Viall]

Would you eat bugs?

[Justin]

Yeah, I've eaten bugs. I've done, like, Fear Factor stuff, and I always win.

[Natalie Viall]

What's the most Fear Factory thing that you've done?

[Justin]

I've stuck my hands in a bowl of insects, like, mealworms, and, like, I don't know if there's a scorpion in there.

[Sierra]

I didn't look.

[Justin]

That's the thing. You don't look.

[Sierra]

Why would you do that? Why?

[Justin]

I used to go to, like, haunted mansions or houses where you'd, like, pay to, like, do crazy shit.

[Natalie Viall]

The, like, the waiver ones to do it.

[Justin]

Yeah, like, I would do the waiver ones.

[Natalie Viall]

That's already insane in itself. Like, I go to the haunted houses where, like, they're actors. They cannot touch me. He's signing a waiver saying, touch me.

[Justin]

Because I've convinced myself if I die, I'll just be calm, rich, you know, like, if they kill me, if it's not me, it's someone around me that's going to get the money.

[Mary]

That's. And that's the kind of person Justin is. This is why I love him so much. To a T. Justin is like, if I Die. At least someone else gets money.

[Emily D. Baker]

Yeah.

[Justin]

I'm like, someone's going to win the lawsuit if I die, so I have to not die. Or someone's rich.

[Mary]

That. That is who he is to his core. And I love that about him so much.

[Justin]

Did you see that? Real Housewives of Orange County. Katie and Tamara are hosting a reunion. Part one watch party. But Mike Shea is the one that's DJing it.

[Sierra]

That is the Shay. That is so crazy.

[Natalie Viall]

They're so. Sheena Shay's ex husband, who used to.

[Sierra]

Have a music career, allegedly was the one who told Kiki Monique about Gretchen. Whatever, whatever, whatever. So they got her ex husband to DJ their viewing party Savage.

[Justin]

And he has disappeared off the face of the earth until, like, now, right.

[Mary]

When Sheena is like, I want to be on Orange County.

[Sierra]

Do we know Is Katie a part of reunion?

[Natalie Viall]

Yes.

[Justin]

Yes.

[Natalie Viall]

Her reunion look came out, and it's fire.

[Nick Viall]

But the big question is, will she be on stage the entire time?

[Natalie Viall]

That is the question.

[Sierra]

That would be insane for them to.

[Nick Viall]

That would be disrespectful if they.

[Sierra]

She's a. At the end of the day, she is still a housewife. She is still holding an orange.

[Natalie Viall]

She likes the drama, and Andy does love her, so I don't think that she would be, like, booted.

[Sierra]

I was just gonna say, if Adriana demora is sitting the entire reunion and she is categorically a friend of, then like, Katie Giannala should be also.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Miami has a different format, though, when it comes to, like, friends of friend of.

[Nick Viall]

You guys know, we are obviously Tamara Judge fans here on this show, but I will be. I'm really fascinated about, you know, because all we. All we've heard are rumors. We don't know. We haven't seen it. I'm sure a lot will be revealed. A lot will be discussed. So we don't really know how things are gonna play out. We've heard people's opinions, but I am very interested to see what people think of this cast once this season and the reunion wraps and everything that we've been told that will be revealed is revealed. I don't really know what to think. And it's dark. I'm not gonna lie. It's dark. What we've heard.

[Emily D. Baker]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

And everyone just keeps saying, like, just wait.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Which is just, you know, I'm like.

[Natalie Viall]

I don't have a choice.

[Sierra]

I know.

[Natalie Viall]

I am waiting for Wednesday night.

[Mary]

Is she or isn't she? Is what I want to know.

[Sierra]

You know, I don't.

[Mary]

It's I don't know.

[Natalie Viall]

Are they real? Are they not?

[Mary]

I don't know who will be back.

[Natalie Viall]

Next season, who won't?

[Mary]

I don't know.

[Sierra]

I had an off the record conversation with Gretchen and I. It's interesting.

[Nick Viall]

It's interesting. Obviously, we'll get into Salt Lake City this, later, this episode, but I don't know, man. Bravo really tows a very fine line with some of the behaviors. I don't know if they're promoting it, but there is clearly a theme across this franchise of platforming dangerous storylines that affect families.

[Natalie Viall]

I mean, some could say though, where I'm like, I know it's the whole, like, you signed up for this, but I'm like doing a lifestyle show and having skeletons in your closet like shit will come out. And signing up to be on a show with somebody that you hate.

[Nick Viall]

Gretchen, I mean, I get it, but even, like, you know, I guarantee you Bron didn't sign up to have a 20 year old mistake brought back up and reframed is a recent mistake that is in no way accurate to what actually happened to the point where it could potentially affect her husband's credibility in his life. Like, she didn't sign up for that. And we've been asked to do stuff. We've had even shed media where it's just like. But, you know, to your point, Sierra, I do know. I've followed these shows long enough to know that like, nasty things will be said, things will be brought up. Like lies will be told. Yeah. No one is safe. Like, truly no one. You're, you know, like, your parents aren't safe, your siblings aren't safe. Like no one's safe in your family in this franchise. And I just, I don't, I'm good.

[Natalie Viall]

No, I'm with you. I'm like, it's, it's definitely scary and sometimes it's really sad what ends up happening.

[Justin]

But yeah, I do think Bronwyn and Gretchen are apples to oranges, though.

[Nick Viall]

Well, that's. Again, we'll, we'll, we'll all have to watch and digest and then we'll see what we all think in a few weeks. The Love is Blind reunion was last night. We haven't seen it yet, but we will be covering it next Tuesday on Reality Recap. Also, we are going deeper next week. We do have Sparkle Megan and her former fiance Jordan to get into all things their relationship. The Fallout 4 Together. What?

[Sierra]

Together together.

[Nick Viall]

Same time, on the couch together. Sitting right where Sierra is and right next to her, they have agreed to join us together.

[Justin]

I did see a crazy headline about Megan. It was literally sparkle Megan in Fender bender without mystery baby. And I'm like, what Sparkle?

[Mary]

And it's like photos of Megan writing.

[Natalie Viall]

Me slow news day.

[Justin]

And I was like, what? Even like, they want you to click.

[Natalie Viall]

On it because they're like, what happened to the baby?

[Sierra]

They hope we don't read without mystery, baby.

[Justin]

And it was like, what?

[Mary]

Mystery car revealed baby. Still mystery.

[Nick Viall]

Well, if you have watched the reunion and feel like a lot of meat was left on that bone, don't worry, we will nibble it all off next week with Sparkle Mega and Jordan and some other with Sparkle, Megan and Jordan and some other castmates. Because that's what we do. We.

[Justin]

All right.

[Nick Viall]

Well, up next we got Emily D. Baker, former assistant district attorney of LA county and your favorite legal correspondent on the Internet. And she is up next to join us to talk about some legal battles across the Internet and talk about some the Wendy Oseffo case along with some Salt Lake City. That's up next. This holidays are right around the corner, but there's so much to get ready for. Does your guest room need new bedding before your family arrives? Well, with Wayfair you can personalize your home and find everything from Christmas trees to wreaths to cozy linens and accent chairs, all for way, way less. Natalie is obsessed with decorating our house with whatever the season is and she always gets a head start. I think we started decorating for Halloween in summer and we started decorating for Christmas already before Halloween was over. And she got so many of these little setabouts and perfect holiday themes all from Wayfair.

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[Nick Viall]

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[Sierra]

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[Nick Viall]

Welcome back to the show. It's great to be with you.

[Emily D. Baker]

Good to see you guys. It's been way too long and way too much legal.

[Nick Viall]

It really has. You know, people keep doing crime and it keeps you really too busy.

[Emily D. Baker]

It keeps me way too busy. It's impossible for me to schedule anything in my life.

[Nick Viall]

Well, we're excited to have it. But before we get into all the things, obviously we really want to talk to you about Wendy from Potomac and that arrest and what's going on there. For all the Brav fans out there that are fascinated with this story. I know she's kind of fighting back, but. But what's what's new with you? What's what's been going on in your world other than giving the people everything they need to know about all the pop culture legal battles out there?

[Emily D. Baker]

I mean, I am trying to pray that the lawyers start to slow down for the holidays. I have followed the Cardi B case. The lawyers are still not done. That case ended a few months ago and the lawyers are still fighting over sanctions, which is wild because one of the Cardi B plaintiff lawyers, the main plaintiff lawyer for the person who sued Cardi, got in a fight in a hallway outside a judge's courtroom in another case. And I'm just deeply invested. And then My oldest is a senior in high school, so it's senior football games and band and college applications and all the rest. So life is busy, work is busy, but things are good. And it's finally fall outside of Nashville. So I'm loving the weather. It's finally here that it feels nice and cool.

[Nick Viall]

That's amazing. What in terms of all the. With all the legal battles going on, whether it's cardi b obviously we had the p duty case not too long ago. What have been like for one, the most fun to follow for you, and then maybe second, the most surprising outcome.

[Emily D. Baker]

It's always hard to say fun because so much of what I cover is crime. But I am intrigued still by the Corey Richards case in Utah that hasn't gone to trial yet. Her lawyers keep finding new and interesting ways to argue things that aren't things. And that is fascinating to me. And it will go to trial in February. She's accused of poisoning her husband. But while she was waiting to get arrested or not get arrested, she wrote a children's book about grief. And that's a. That's a bold move. So I'm still fascinated by that case.

[Sierra]

How are her sales?

[Emily D. Baker]

They. She was on a little book tour when she got arrested and then the book got pulled. But I bet if they had left it, sales probably, sadly would have gone up after her arrest.

[Nick Viall]

If I'm at a bookstore on a Saturday afternoon with my family, a cup of coffee, and I see a children's book and I realize this is written by the alleged murder of her husband. I am going to peek.

[Emily D. Baker]

You're interested?

[Nick Viall]

I want to know. I want to get inside the mind of this bizarre human.

[Emily D. Baker]

You know absolutely everyone in the case. The prosecutor's last name is Bloodworth. He has this deep, resonant voice. The judge is a younger judge who's been really steadfast, but also when he's done, he's done. It's just everything about this case is interesting to watch. The judge has a great beard. My audience loves him. I think his wife is probably like, please don't put this trial on television because the Internet is decided that they are in love with my husband. So it's been a lot of fun. And then with some of the other cases, I was really surprised that Donna Adelson didn't testify in her murder trial. And then she had a lot to say at sentencing. That didn't surprise me too much. But she was so mad. What surprised me in that case is that her husband ripped into the judge. Great judge. In Florida ripped into the judge at sentencing in a way I've never seen anyone do at a sentencing hearing. I was stunned. I was absolutely shocked. And he hasn't been arrested, so it's a bold move.

[Sierra]

Did you agree that she was guilty?

[Emily D. Baker]

I thought the evidence the prosecution presented was really strong.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Emily D. Baker]

So I wasn't surprised that she was convicted, that none of that was shocking to me. The prosecution was really thoughtful in how they went forward in this case. And the trying to get the jailhouse friends taken under the wing and then bribe them to testify the way she wanted to was really the final straw for her. I thought it was the flight to Vietnam. I thought it was the fleeing the country on a one way ticket.

[Natalie Viall]

She's like, I'm going on vacation.

[Sierra]

What are you doing? Like, bam.

[Emily D. Baker]

If you're fleeing the country so you don't get arrested, just spend the money on a, on a return trip. I mean, not legal advice, but.

[Sierra]

Right.

[Emily D. Baker]

The one way looks a little sus.

[Nick Viall]

As someone who follows these cases so closely, do you have a hard time watching some of, like, the, the TV shows that are like, made from the court cases? Like we're watching the. What is it? Yeah, Murdoch show on Hulu, which we're really enjoying. It's really well acted. Patricia plays the plays the mom. But you obviously follow all these cases. And, you know, I, you know, I know a lot about this case through my wife Natalie, who followed it closely. But like, I'm, I'm, I'm okay with the creative freedoms that these shows can often take with the portrayal of these cases in these families. Do you have a harder time getting into some of these shows because of someone who follows every little detail of these cases?

[Emily D. Baker]

It really depends on the show. And I think Murdaugh is a great example of when they brought somebody in. They brought in Mandy Matney, who did the podcast and wrote the book, and she knows so much about the case. I also like her very much. So when they have somebody who's so intertwined with the case working with the show, you get a bit of a different perspective on it. Some of the shows, especially when they come out before the trial happens, are a little harder for me because I see how difficult they are for all the parties to deal with. They make judges not want to have cameras in the courtroom. And so when they're looking back at a case, it's a little bit easier. But when they are just fighting to pump out information that's not necessarily accurate before trial, it can be really difficult. And as Judges get more and more hesitant about having the entire public in their courtroom through cameras. It makes me nervous that it will be a harder fight to have cameras in the courtroom going forward, because I think it's a really good thing that we do.

[Nick Viall]

Well, before we get into the Wendy of it all, we obviously haven't followed much of the Justin Baldoni and Blake Lively case recently, and I think you've kind of, like, tapered off from it as well. But I just wanted to check in with you since we have you. You know, it's been kind of fascinating because over the past several months, it seems like things have slowed down in, like, in press and outlets and things like that. You know, I, I, Everyone knows where I stand. I'm of the opinion. It's like his team has kind of slowed down his, like, you know, PR campaign. You know, like, some of his lawyers kind of people in the media, they're no longer pumping this narrative, and now things have kind of slowed down in a normal way. And it seems like, behind the scenes, a little bit of, like, updates I get in the news, it seems like, you know, again, I'm not a legal expert, but it seems like the case is getting stronger and stronger on the side of Blake Lively because now his. His PR campaign is slowing down, and we're. And we're realizing what I've always kind of suspected. Like, I'm just curious your thoughts, but it does seem like this thing really is trending to actually going to court in early 2026. And is that surprising to you? Because I think a lot of people suspected, like, eventually there'd be a settlement. There's, like, plaintiff fatigue with, you know, this kind of very aggressive PR campaign. But I'm just curious, what has been your overall thoughts?

[Emily D. Baker]

I am behind on the filings because in court, it has not slowed down. In. In public, it has slowed down, but there have been so many filings, and there have been tangential filings. The lead attorney in the case, Brian Friedman, is being sued by a past client tangentially related to this case, saying that he kind of panned the other case so that he could court Justin Baldoni as a client when he was suing Justin Baldoni over movie copyrights. So he's being sued by the family of that former client. So there's side cases going on, and then there's a lot of discovery fights going on, which are really normal, but it's a voluminous amount of documents fighting over, is Taylor Swift gonna appear for a deposition? And are all of the the latest thing I saw filed, I think just last week, it could have been early last week, is that there's a fight over whether or not signal app communications were all auto deleted in violation of a preservation order from Baldoni Wayfarer at all. And so there's requests for sanctions and spoliation. So there's a lot of discovery fighting going on. But it's hard to get more of a sense of the case with all of that beyond the initial allegations. But again, this is a New York federal case that's dealing with California employment law. And California employment law at the heart of it is always employee friendly. So at the beginning of all of this, it really is an employment law lawsuit. And there are some of those allegations. Did Blake Lively go to production and say, I'm concerned about this and did they fail to do an investigation? Those are simpler questions than I think what we've seen in headlines because they're more nuanced conversations about employment law. So Baldoni didn't refile his cross complaint. So we're kind of back to the beginning in what the allegations and civil charges look like. But we are also seeing now other lawyers coming in for other parts of the Wayfarer team, for the other PR agents. So it looks like they are starting to split out and get their own attorneys. So I don't know if it's on track for trial because there are so many parties involved. But we also have the New York Times asking for attorneys fees and sanctions because their part of the case is gone. So there's seven lawsuits going on. But yes, the public facing part of this lawsuit has slowed down. But the judge was really heavy handed in telling everyone to stop talking about this case outside of court. So the judge was not having it at all. And I think the judge, this federal judge ended up with a bunch of content creators in court arguing that they were being subpoenaed by lively side. So the amount of filings are insane. It is so much paperwork going on in court. And the federal judge was like, children, stop it. What are you doing? This is not, this is not what we do in federal court. So it's, it's going to be litigated very thoroughly. I don't know if they're on track for trial in March, but the judge is pushing them that way.

[Nick Viall]

Interesting. What do you make of. I heard something that Baldoni's team hired P. Diddy's former lawyer. Is that true?

[Emily D. Baker]

I haven't. There were so many pro hoc Viche filings. Also Diddy had like 17 different attorneys, but if they can find someone who is a more, you know, trial dogged litigator who is in front of juries all the time. A lot of civil litigators do not go to trial as frequently as those in the criminal space. So bringing in a seasoned trial lawyer wouldn't surprise me. If both of those teams brought in trial lawyers to go in front of the jury later, that wouldn't surprise me at all.

[Nick Viall]

Interesting. Okay, well, thanks for the insight and update on that case. Wendy Safo obviously was recently arrested, her and her husband for what seemed to be like some insurance fraud. The evidence seemed to be damning, and obviously there was a lot of news about her wearing the ring that allegedly she claimed that was stolen, etc. Etc. And now she is pushing back and. And fighting. I would love to get your perspective on what you know about this case and kind of break it down for us.

[Emily D. Baker]

It's a interesting insurance fraud case because both she and her husband have been charged. Everybody saw the headlines of how many counts they were charged with, but Wendy's charged with seven felonies, Eddie's charged with nine, and then there are a bunch of misdemeanors. They each have eight misdemeanors of insurance fraud, and then one of a false statement. The thing that a lot of the media has not picked up on, which we get to talk about. Yay us. Is that they are facing jail time, but they are also facing quite a lot of civil penalties because the law allows for the civil fines to be multiplied by the insurance claim. So they have to pay back, if they're convicted, any amount of money they got from insurance. And it looks like that's about $25,000. But then it's three times the value of the claim they made. And they claimed over $400,000. So the fines start around $1.3 million, which is a substantial amount of money. And in financial fraud cases, even if you don't go to jail or prison for a long time, the judges tend to levy those fines to dissuade the future behavior. And in the declarations from prosecution, they have an email from Eddie to Wendy saying, hey, do you have any other items? So we can increase the amount of this claim to insurance so that it's near policy limits in that $400,000 range. So they have the emails and their text messages, and it seems that Eddie is saying, hey, we need more, we need more. And the reason there's so many claims or so many charges is because they kept going back to Insurance adding more things. And if anyone's made an insurance claim, insurance records all those calls. So if this goes to trial, insurance is going to play the call of someone saying, oh, and her anniversary ban was. Was taken in this robbery or burglary. And then there's pictures of her at the White House correspondents dinner on the red carpet wearing it. And I don't think they have receipts showing that she replaced it in 10 days. And it seems to be a pretty identifiable piece of jewelry, among other things. So the police took out more than 15 items from the home that were claimed on the insurance claims when they went in and did a search warrant. So they recovered the things that were said to be stolen. And so if it's a one thing and they say they replaced it, that's a little different than now, what, 16 different things that they said were taken that were replaced. Oh, and their cameras never picked up on anything. And their neighbors cameras never picked up on anything. And they're in a neighborhood that's never had a burglary before with a police force. It's like, that's weird. We've never had a robbery or a burglary in this neighborhood. We really need to figure out what's going on, because if this starts, everyone's gonna be mad. So they investigated it pretty thoroughly, and they said that the only point of ingress into the house was through a window stepping onto a toilet. And when law enforcement did that, they tracked in the grit from the. From the roof, but there was no roof grit anywhere, so there was no point of entry. So they didn't do a great job allegedly staging the scene. I think anyone should fight. There's a lot of charges. There's a lot of room for a plea deal. But the earlier they take responsibility, the earlier the case will resolve. And I still think that's probably what will happen. I'm sure their lawyers are still waiting to get all those recorded phone calls from insurance and the body cam videos and go through all of it. But they're going to have emails, text messages, and the items were recovered.

[Nick Viall]

Have they put out a statement, you know, in terms of what are they saying?

[Emily D. Baker]

Their attorneys did put out a statement right after the arrest saying that they were home safe after being arrested and that they were, you know, looking forward to their day in court. Was essentially it. It was not a, you know, banging the table. We maintain our innocent statement. It was a. Everyone needs their privacy. Please respect them at this time, and we look forward to our dang court.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, so she hasn't come out banging the table, so to speak.

[Emily D. Baker]

I haven't seen that from her lawyers, but of course she's going to say, we're going to fight this. You have to. It's a lot of charges. And so a plea deal, I mean, I think that kind of counts as fighting it, not just saying, oh, yeah, we did all of this. They also need to see all the discovery before they really say much.

[Mary]

She did respond on Instagram.

[Emily D. Baker]

Oh, tell me that I haven't seen.

[Mary]

Yeah, she. So Wendy made a statement saying, so she posted a photo on Instagram and said, and through it all, God remains faithful. Thank you for the outpouring of love, support, and prayers for myself and most importantly, my family during this time. We are forever grateful.

[Sierra]

Tune in to Bravo TV tonight for a new episode of the Real Housewives of Potomac.

[Mary]

She knows a plug. When she knows a plug, I. I can't get mad at it.

[Sierra]

I said this when we first covered it of, like, when she. When her team released a statement of if you didn't do this, like, your response is, we are innocent and we will prove that. Not like, we'll wait for our day in court. It's like, I think they will wait.

[Emily D. Baker]

For our day at court is a restrained statement. And you don't want to piss off the judge because the prosecutors will come in and say immediately after arrest, they said that they're going to prove themselves innocent and they're not taking responsibility. So a smart plan is to see the discovery say, we will handle this in court and then go handle it in court. Even in the Karen Reed case, after the initial arrest, they said, this is a misunderstanding. We're going to wait to see what the discovery shows and wait to see what we what turns up in court. So it's not a bad play because anything that is said publicly or in court will be used against you. And if you want a plea deal, which is their best option here, then you really need to not upset the court by going out and proclaiming your innocence vis a vis Jen Shaw, because that came up when she was sentenced. It came up in the sentencing memos that she was selling merch that said free Jen Shaw and talking about how innocent she was until the day she took a plea deal. So there's unfortunately been enough in the Criminal Housewives Bravo space that they can learn from what others have done. And a neutral statement of thank you for your support and we'll see it in court is really a smart legal play.

[Nick Viall]

I'm always fascinated by what seems to be the Sloppiness of these alleged criminals. As a former district attorney of a Los Angeles County, I'm sure you've seen a lot of what were they thinking? Kind of, you know, like, I mean, it's 2025. I don't even talk shit via text because I'm thinking, you know what, I'm not going to text anything if I don't want to have it show up on the Internet type of thing, let alone like committing fraud and stealing and.

[Sierra]

Then emailing being like emailing and you.

[Nick Viall]

Know, with your husband, like, can't you just like get together in a room, in a car or something, talk about this crime? Like it, it's shocking.

[Emily D. Baker]

Her husband's an attorney.

[Sierra]

Oh my God, it's crazy.

[Emily D. Baker]

In the tax world, he has not only a Juris Doctor, but he also has like the equivalent of a legal master's degree, an additional degree in taxation. You can't tell me you don't know. Also, he stands to potentially lose his law license and they run a marijuana company together. And with a felony, I don't think he'd be able to maintain his licensing for that company in any jurisdiction because getting licensing to have a company that's marijuana based is incredibly difficult. There's a ton of red tape and states are really hesitant. So if you have a criminal record, you're not going to be able to do that. She was also teaching at Wesleyan University and it seems step down from her course for this semester. But on the show she talks about her advanced degrees. This is very much a book smart versus street smart kind of a case. And we are seeing not a lot of the street smarts, but I worked in the arson unit a little bit as a law clerk and in the DA's office and most of it was fraud cases. It was arson related fraud where somebody's garage just kept burning down with like $50,000 of technology in it. It's like, oh my God, that's so weird. It's like your fourth fire in your garage in two years. The insurance companies are really unhappy about that. So it always surprises me. I had a judge that I work for that said we don't catch the smart ones. And it tends to be true. And in fraud cases, oftentimes it's the hubris that gets you where like you don't get caught and then the crimes grow and then somebody there's some tipping point and then they go back and look and a policy limit claim at $400,000 is going to trigger an insurance investigation no matter what.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I Mean, if he doesn't lose his license, it's just a generally bad look on his credibility as a professional. It's just like, I mean, I don't know. I'm not going to hire that guy. He's definitely not dotting his I's and crossing his T's.

[Emily D. Baker]

And he's been working with really large accountancy firms with, you know, PricewaterhouseCoopers and others. So he and Deloitte, he has like a. A professional responsibility that in the tax world that you would think he would be aware that claiming things were taken that weren't taken is going to be a felony.

[Nick Viall]

So is this a product? We've talked about this with previous guests, obviously, just about the pressures of the Bravo world and the glam and all the costs and just keeping up with the Joneses, so to speak. But it, I think it's like, shocking for a lot of, you know, your average American who, you know, is busting their asses to make a decent living, and you have these seemingly, like, very successful professionals, multiple careers that, you know, tend to be fairly lucrative on top of being TV celebrities. And yet they're still going out of their way to steal money and try to get more, like, get us inside the criminal mind. I'm sure you've seen this a lot like what from your perspective causes this type of behavior.

[Emily D. Baker]

It's hard because I really do wonder about this weird bubble that is reality TV and the pressure that is reality tv. It's a question I've been contemplating and asking the Lonnards about as well, because we see, you know, a housewife like Gina in Real Housewives of OC kind of get ripped on the Internet for having a more modest and reasonable home and living a really real life without extravagant wealth. And you see how even other others on the shows in the past have kind of taking digs at her for that. But then you also see like a Jen Shaw or a Teresa or. Or maybe the Osefos, as alleged, trying to bolster the appearance of wealth in a way that's just not authentic. And it really makes me wonder about the pressure cooker of it. I mean, in the OG days, I don't think everybody knew exactly what this reality TV thing was. But if you're coming into reality TV now, you know exactly what it is. It's interesting to see that, you know, even 1% level wealth on reality TV. You still see people saying it's not enough. I don't know if the Osefos are dealing with other types of consumer debt. From being on the show. But maybe the insurance companies are gonna land a chunk of money that's gonna help come back from something. I just. I don't understand how it's worth it. Because if the shows are doing well and the career's doing well, I don't understand why you would take this risk, because it really puts you in a tough spot.

[Sierra]

Did you hear that allegedly, Bravo kind of was like, hey, well, what was it, Justin, that they'll, like, pay her?

[Justin]

Yeah, we. We have to take with a grain of salt, obviously, but, like, there was chatter online that potentially Bravo would allegedly pay Wendy Osefo a high chunk of money to own the rights to air, like, this whole process on TV making her the highest paid housewife. It's a rumor, obviously. We don't know what. Where that came from or what.

[Nick Viall]

Aren't there laws against monetizing your criminal behavior, Emily?

[Emily D. Baker]

It's. It's very different. It depends on jurisdiction. But selling the rights to a story would only really. Most jurisdictions. I'm going to try to simplify this. Most jurisdictions, if there are some restrictions against monetizing, it's that the money would go to any impacted victim first and then to you. In this case, the impacted victims are the insurance companies. It looks like that loss is in that 25 to $30,000 range. So if you sell the rights to your story and pay off your restitution to insurance and then move forward, there are a lot of cases on whether or not that's an infringement of the first amendment for you to be able to sell your story. So most of it is if you sell it, it goes to payback victims first before it goes forward. So it really depends. And some jurisdictions don't have what people colloquially call Son of Sam laws. Some jurisdictions don't have them at all. I don't know about Maryland, but interesting. The. The insurance fraud side of this being different than other types of criminal cases is an area where I wouldn't be surprised. But then again, any media organization can apply to the court to have cameras in the courtroom, and the court normally requires those to be pool cameras. But I'm sure Bravo wants the exclusive rights to the car ride before court and the car ride after court and an interview with the lawyers. The way we saw with, like, the Karen Reed case where she gave exclusive access and it was her defense team that had asked for that access, with cameras following them around the first trial. So this is not new.

[Nick Viall]

We will watch. We will absolutely watch.

[Emily D. Baker]

I want to see the behind the scenes. I want to see the conversations with the lawyers too. I'm also curious.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah, I want to know what they were thinking before we let you go. Emily, I do want to talk a little Salt Lake City with you because I know you were watching.

[Emily D. Baker]

I mean, how can I not? The first episode I'm getting blown up in my DMs being like, what are all these lawsuits? I'm like, y', all, I don't even. What?

[Sierra]

They're all dismissed. Duh.

[Nick Viall]

Let's kick things off with a rapid recap and then we'll get into the details with Emily.

[Sierra]

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[Sierra]

So if you missed this episode it's a Below Deck down under crossover baby. Captain Jason is here. But you know who isn't here? Bronwyn. Except maybe she is. She's arriving late because of identity theft allegations. Allegedly, you guys. The yacht is in fact super in size. It's almost as big as Heather's crush on Captain Jason, but not quite. Then it's revealed that Brittany also has a crush on Captain Jason. She is in a smorgasbord of heaven, so she kind of steals Heather's thunder. The ladies make a rule that if Britney is going to go for Jason, she is not allowed to talk about Jared at all on the boat or else they're going to throw water on her. The sea is not the only thing making these ladies wet. And a side note really quick. Angie likes to stand next to Lisa because it makes her ankles look smaller.

[Nick Viall]

What a burn.

[Sierra]

Bronwyn arrives late on her own little boat and in her own little banana boat costume. Couture. The drama intensifies. Brittany and Bronwyn also have to share a bed and Britney brings a stuffed unicorn that Jared recorded his voice in to sleep with. Lisa thinks the word karma is overused. But Bronwyn allegations are in fact karma for coming for her. One of the Stu's finds a thick cucumber planted in one of the ladies bags. Okay, diva. Another thing. The ladies apparently planted the grand theft auto allegations about Bronwyn. Lisa says nobody would do that. Also you dug up stuff on me and also I didn't do it in case anyone was wondering which.

[Nick Viall]

No one asked which.

[Sierra]

Not to point fingers, but it kind of makes it seem like it was Lisa. Heather then accidentally revealed that her and Captain Jason have fucked around. Low key, but they're friends, so there's latitude. But Britney should go for it. Angie froze up again. But the real tragedy, she's so sick she can't suck in while wearing her bikini. Heather and Whitney bring in big mayor to talk about Lisa planting stories. Lawyer Meredith Marks, which for the kids in the audience is how she was referred to before she was dj. Meredith Marks reminds us that correlation does not prove causation. Bronwyn airs out. Britney is saying Meredith has seizures. Meredith says that is a horrible thing to say to Britney. They both throw drinks on each other. Heather then confronts Lisa about planting stories and calls her a defensive fucking bitch. Lisa denies it and crashes out Lisa style. Then Heather and Lisa's friendship is over. Meanwhile, Mary and Angie are eating in bed and gab with Jason. Overall, was Lisa kind of serving SZA album cover while the doctor.

[Mary]

She was.

[Sierra]

She was. She definitely was.

[Mary]

Sos. SOS Lisa Barlow. Somebody make that meme.

[Nick Viall]

Well, it's a lot to break down with you, Emily. I want to be respectful of your time before you have to go. One thing I want to get from you is like, like I'm sure you have a lot of experience with people like lying or denying. And I'm sure you've had to read, you know, whether you feel like people are telling the truth. It felt like to the rest of women, I think most of the audience and we also watch what would hap. Watch what happens live. And I think Lisa lost in a landslide. But there was a lot of defending herself before the accusations were even coming. And just her. It was such an outrageous performance, like hyperventilating. I don't know what were your thoughts? Who do you believe? Do you think Lisa is possibly or most likely or absolutely planting these stories?

[Emily D. Baker]

I don't think this is the first time we've heard allegations that Lisa is planting stories and talking to people behind the scenes. She also this entire season seems really eaten up with what's going on behind the scenes and who's talking to who and who's looking at what. And there are times where it feels like Lysa is just saying to everyone exactly what she's doing. Even in other contexts, when she's fighting with Angie, she's like, you're doing this and you're doing that. And it's like, Lisa, you're. We're watching you do the exact same thing. And that has become very much a pattern this season. And she is really, it seems a bit consumed with what people are saying or alleging. Would it surprise me? No. Was the performance over the top? Yes. It's a lot. And Lisa does tend to deflect with everybody else's shit, whether it's true or not. So. Would I be shocked? No, I wouldn't. I wouldn't be shocked at this point.

[Sierra]

Can you give us a little breakdown of, like, what Bronwyn's alleges? The, the, the, like, she was in something that happened years ago that was involving her. Now it's sealed, so people can't really figure out what's going on. But the grand theft, the identity theft, like, do you know anything about that?

[Emily D. Baker]

I. I don't. Because, again, she said it's sealed. I didn't go looking for it beyond that. But it depends how long ago it was. Like, if it was a juvenile thing, all juvenile cases are sealed. If it was an adult thing, cases can be sealed and expunged. So it's really hard to know. And I don't know where you would dig up that information unless there were people that were there at the time, sliding into people's DMs. Would that surprise me? No. That people who are around, you know, in people's past being like, oh, I know this. But also, if you're bringing that to screen, it doesn't seem that anyone actually verifies. It's just throw it out there and see what sticks, because it serves the purpose, whether it's true or not. And that seems to be going on quite a lot in Salt Lake and did last year. And it was the thing they were all mad about a couple seasons ago with Monica was people doing stuff on Social. And here we all are again and again.

[Nick Viall]

Thank you for joining.

[Emily D. Baker]

I just wanted to see Captain Jason be like catnip again for the Housewives.

[Nick Viall]

But no, I thank you for saying, I'm watching this. And, you know, Whitney was just pointing out just, like, this history that, you know, Lisa has, she's done it to all these women, I think, and Lisa isn't the only one. And Also not. It's not exclusive to the Salt Lake City franchise.

[Justin]

No.

[Nick Viall]

We have Shannon Beador on next Tuesday to talk about the OC finale that drops tonight. And obviously, there's some accusations that are very serious about one of her castmates. And we. We talk about the possibility of. Of that being. You know, you have to be careful to. To believe what you see. And, and are there potentially people behind this? And, you know, Bravo very much has a culture of doing some really, you know, nasty things, you know, for the sake of television, to really platform ugly rumors and to go back and find, I mean, like, it's like, what, Brolin didn't pay her rent when she was 19. And, like, just to. To bring back a rumor from 20 years ago is. Is so crazy. But, like. And it's such nasty behavior. But it's also like, kind of like what. What this. This culture of shows do. But yet I. I am blown away that how Monica Garcia, again, I think I would have been triggered by what she did. But, like, I'm just confused kind of with Katie. And also, I would say it's like you bring in these new women who have been fans. They're watching it. They want to fit in. They feel like, oh, I guess this is what we're supposed to do. They do it, and then they get just crucified. Brittany, you know, recording, it's just like. It's like, do as I say, not as I do. It's just. It's fascinating.

[Emily D. Baker]

It's wild to watch. And I don't know how new women fit into the group, because the culture, I think behind the scenes versus the culture of what you see on TV might be a little different, and the women might feel like they have different understandings with each other. I don't know how any of them talk to each other season after season with the stuff that goes on. I really don't. And I have said many times I am not built for reality TV because I couldn't. It's just people treat it like it's not that deep, but it does impact people's lives outside the show, and you can see that it impacts people on the show. I mean, when we watch. Was it two seasons ago when Whitney was talking about her husband losing his job in part or in whole because of the show? So it's a very real part of it. But also, it's wild to watch it play out season after season and then see different cast members act like they're surprised that that's what's going on, because that's also what they've said.

[Sierra]

I've talked to housewives who are pulling their children out of school because they're like, this is so bad. Like, I have to homeschool my children now. And it's just, like, crazy. It gets to this point, you know.

[Emily D. Baker]

And then everybody wants to play along in the DMs and are. I mean, I know the kind of DMs that I get about cases. I can only imagine if people think that they're going to get a nugget in there that somebody might say. It allows a lot of bad actors access to say whatever, because they might have genuine knowledge or they might just be pretending because you can dig up almost anything on the Internet, whether it's true or not, and start to track it back. But I think future cast members need to make sure they're, like, wiping their Internet footprints before they got on the show. So people can't find who, like, your sister's college roommate's boyfriend's cousin was, because they're going to try to dig up some stuff.

[Mary]

Yeah, that is the one thing, I guess, to defend Lisa a little bit, which is crazy coming for me. I know it's not proven that she is the one that started the rumors. It there is a case you can make that Lisa Barlow has very, very emotional reactions and is in a very emotional place this season. She would have assumed that Bronwyn's going to come for her with these allegations anyway. She's, like, already convinced that everyone is planting all of these things about her and is targeting her. So of course she's gonna assume that these women are gonna think that she did it, if that makes sense. So it's like, she could have not done it and just is Lisa and reacts that way to things and is very dramatic and really funny and could have just, like, crashed out and spiraled out and made herself look bad. Sometimes we dig a hole for ourselves, even when it's not true.

[Emily D. Baker]

Like, she so anxious going in that the response was because she was so anxious going in. And then when they acted the way she thought they would, that's the thing that tipped her over the edge.

[Nick Viall]

I don't know. I don't buy it. I. I find that if you're anticipating an accusation, you're more prepared for it. I think the response might be more sadness rather than anger. It's like, that really hurts my feelings that you guys would think that. And I'm not sure what I can do to, like, change your mind, but, like, I can just assure you it's not me.

[Justin]

Me.

[Emily D. Baker]

Lisa react. Everything screaming, though. She reacts everything that way.

[Natalie Viall]

But, like, when she was yelling at Heather, there was a point when she said something along the lines of like, I know and you know too, or something. So it was like in the same moment, she's kind of still holding something over Heather's head, being like, hey, you know exactly what I know, but I'm not. We're not gonna say it. So I'm like. I'm still like, she's still kind of holding on to that whole place of like, I have information that could.

[Mary]

And that makes me wonder. I'm like, there are psychos. I'm like, I wonder if there is, like, another. A bigger, like, maybe Reality Von Teese wasn't the big Bad, Right? Maybe there's someone bigger than Reality Von Teese.

[Emily D. Baker]

Online.

[Sierra]

We also had her yelling at Mary Gossip Girl, literally being like, you better have had my back and you better say sorry right now or else kind of thing, which is like, you're just showing us that this is who you are.

[Nick Viall]

I think that's an excellent point about Lisa. Justin, I know you text in the group chat last night that you were team Lisa. I just. I mean, all the women were like, we know. You know, they felt it, you know, not that, like, I'm not. I'm not saying that's like, you know, holds up in court, so to speak, but these women know each other intimately. They're hanging out with Lisa off camera. They've all been victims of her retaliatory behavior. I mean, Lisa has a pattern of, if you come for me, I'm gonna come harder back for you.

[Natalie Viall]

Go the distance.

[Nick Viall]

You know, she's gonna go the distance.

[Emily D. Baker]

And then she said, 100%. I don't do that.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Every single time she plays offense, you know what I'm saying?

[Justin]

She.

[Nick Viall]

And she's always aggressive. It's like, deny, deny, deny. Never concede. I mean, she will never own up to anything. I will say super proud of my girl Heather this episode. I don't know. Maybe she's listening to the show. Maybe she's taking my note. I don't know. But I really feel like this season she is speaking for herself and she is not worried about the Lisa's and the Merediths of the world. And she has her own voice, and she is, like, standing up for what she thinks is right or wrong in ways that I don't feel like she has before, where she was always bizarrely like, kind of like Meredith. It's just like, what are you doing? Meredith, like, why are you. Why are you so, like, careful about how you're talking about this? She did it to you.

[Mary]

Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's. It makes me wonder if Lisa has something on Meredith or she just loves her.

[Justin]

Let me clarify why I said I was team Lisa on that episode, because I think everybody knows that my alliances are with Angie K. Mary Whitney, like, that. Those are my girls. Bronwyn. That being said, Salt Lake City is riddled with people bringing up stuff. Everybody's done it. Meredith has done it. The rumors and nastiness. Like, my point with Lisa, and yes, she does go the distance, is like, of course everybody's gonna assume that Lisa was the one that put that story out there. So of course she's going to come in with a defense the second that it's leaked or that people are talking about it. Also, Lisa said on Watch what Happens Live that the first allegation that was thrown out there was that Whitney was the one who did it and that Dana Wilkie was the one that gave her that information. We didn't see that in the shoot. So I think that also adds context where it's like, everybody has already decided that Lisa was the one who did it. So of course she's going to come in with guns a blazing. And then that's where you have Meredith saying, well, causation doesn't.

[Emily D. Baker]

Or correlation.

[Justin]

And that's where it's like, just because she maybe has done in the past, Everybody also has done in the past. She clearly was hurt. And then, like, if you were in her position where you didn't do it and everybody was like, no, you did it. Just admit it. What are you supposed to admit? You know, like, I saw her frustrated in that moment for the two seconds that I'm like, maybe she didn't do it.

[Natalie Viall]

The only, like, fishy thing with that, though, is that it is the pattern of Lisa being upset with somebody and then I acknowledge that their life being blown up.

[Mary]

Here's the thing. Have you guys ever played the game Mafia?

[Nick Viall]

Yeah.

[Mary]

You know, when somebody accuse you, accuses you of being the killer and you're not, there's only so much you can say until people make up their minds. You know what I mean? So that is the one thing of just, like, you could be completely.

[Emily D. Baker]

She could.

[Mary]

Maybe she's really bad at Mafia.

[Emily D. Baker]

I don't know, Mafia reference. Not the among us reference with that.

[Justin]

Oh, true.

[Nick Viall]

I, I just, I. I disagree. Just don't buy the hyperventilating.

[Emily D. Baker]

It makes her kind of a ripe Target to. To put this on, though, with her behavior this season, which, I mean, as you guys are playing devil's advocate very well, I might add. It also shows why it's so hard to get a sense of everything that's building to a reaction in the shows. Because there's so much that we don't see. And so the reactions we get, the big reaction, we don't always get the buildup for them. And it's been a season. When you were talking about Heather a bit, Nick, it's the first time I've seen Heather saying, no, you said this. She said this. Where are we? And Heather's really taking the role of trying to point out, no, this is what I'm seeing just standing here. This is where your blind spots are. And it's nice to see her taking on that role. I just want to see more of Mary this season. And this is the first season I think I've been like, at the end of last season, I was like, wait, I wanna know more about Mary. And this season we're getting to know a little bit more. And then she gets lost in these moments. Cause you can tell how much she just hates it. And I resonate with her. I'm her in that moment. I'm like, get me off this ship. Like, I don't care how hot everybody thinks Captain Jason is, but I wanna leave. And also the Housewives act like that around him when he's in person. The years that I was in the same space as him at BravoCon, they are falling all over themselves for days and days and days. It's wild to see in person.

[Mary]

Did you say he was catnip for Housewives?

[Emily D. Baker]

Yes.

[Mary]

Yes, he is and knows it.

[Emily D. Baker]

And he. Yeah, he knows it. And he plays into it very. I think, intentionally. He is. He's well aware.

[Sierra]

Telling Brittany he'll give her the tour later. I was like, oh, no, not my girl Britt.

[Mary]

Wow.

[Sierra]

The shutdown.

[Nick Viall]

The stuffed animal.

[Mary]

The stuffed animal.

[Emily D. Baker]

Stuffed animal.

[Justin]

The water throw was crazy.

[Mary]

Oh, my God.

[Justin]

Meredith did the water toss in a respectful way. The last time at the dinner table where she just, like, lightly.

[Nick Viall]

Is there a respectful way she, like.

[Sierra]

Poured in her lap?

[Mary]

Well, when Britney did it the way Meredith went.

[Justin]

Well. And the people said that Meredith is trained in, like, blocking drinks being thrown because she, like, immediately blocked Britney's. And then it hit Bronwyn and everybody's like, that's Bronwyn's fault for stirring up the drama.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

I mean, Bravan did start it.

[Mary]

She came in, in that banana Boat.

[Nick Viall]

Emily, it's always fun catching up with you. Come back soon.

[Emily D. Baker]

It's good to see y'. All. I'm sure there will be plenty of more legal drama.

[Nick Viall]

So, you know, where can. Where can the people find you? Please let my audience know.

[Emily D. Baker]

Absolutely. At the emilydbaker live streaming all your favorite trials and court cases. If you don't want to miss a moment, the LA Nerd app, free on iOS and Android. And you can stay in the loop with all things legal. We have some live trials coming up that you're not going to want to miss. And of course, we are still following all of the fallout from the Karen Reed case, including all of the text messages that Trooper Proctor thought he deleted. And prosecutors found his ICLOUD back to 2013 that's impacting five murder cases in Massachusetts right now.

[Nick Viall]

Yeah. What's the tea?

[Emily D. Baker]

Okay. Do we have 30 seconds? All right, let's go. So true. Remember, Trooper Proctor got fired. He was appealing his termination at the hearings on other murder cases he worked on. His lawyer was like, okay, well, he got a new phone, and there's nothing on his personal phone. You won't find anything. The prosecutors found hundreds of thousands of text messages, voice memos, phone calls, logs, emails, photos, and videos. And so the prosecutors went back to the court and said, hey. His lawyer said there wasn't anything here. We have hundreds and thousands of Items back to 2013 from his iCloud account because even though he got a new phone, it was all still backing up to icloud. And then the police union, the next that evening unanimously voted against him, withdrew their support from his civil service appeal, withdrew his lawyer. He dropped his civil service appeal. And now all the defense attorneys are fighting over what they get. And just yesterday, we talked about the fact that a protective order is needed because he has group texts with incredibly sensitive information in them, including intimate photos of people not in the group text and names of victims and more. So we are just at the tip of the iceberg because if other law enforcement officers are in that group text, it's not going to go well. So Trooper Proctor tried to rehome his phone and forgot about the icloud.

[Nick Viall]

Is Karen just, like, sitting, sipping some cocktails on a beach, just living her.

[Emily D. Baker]

Best life with her, with her book deal. She's still going after him because at the last court hearing in the civil case, because there's a wrongful death case from the o' Keefe family against Karen Reed, at the last court hearing, her lawyer said, essentially, we're suing everybody we're going to sue the town. We're going to sue Massachusetts State Police. We're suing Trooper Proctor. And yesterday afternoon, Alan Jackson said that those lawsuits would be coming shortly. So Karen Reed and her lawyers may have access to these hundreds of thousands of items of Trooper Proctor's phone in connection to the civil case, because one can only assume there's more said about her, given what was turned over from the Fed. So we are a long way from done with the Karen Reed case. Even though the trial is done, all of the fallout is still having ramifications. And I think we're going to see more law enforcement, maybe, maybe retirements, maybe people just stepping down. But we already see. Did you guys remember Deaver Dever? Don't call me Dever.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah.

[Emily D. Baker]

Did you know she stepped down from Boston pd?

[Sierra]

No.

[Emily D. Baker]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Interesting.

[Emily D. Baker]

So the fallout continues. And so we have been covering all of the continued ripples from this case because it's upending an entire prosecutor's office and police department, and it's not done yet.

[Justin]

Wow. Wow.

[Sierra]

Crazy.

[Nick Viall]

Emily, always a pleasure.

[Emily D. Baker]

Always a pleasure. Good to see y'.

[Nick Viall]

All. Thank you.

[Sierra]

Good to see you. Bye.

[Nick Viall]

Bye.

[Natalie Viall]

Bye.

[Sierra]

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[Nick Viall]

Just cozy. It's easy.

[Sierra]

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[Nick Viall]

It's incredibly flexible, even too flexible, some might say. Natalie loves to rearrange a living room, any room, really. And those cozy couches make it super easy for other people. People who get a little restless with the way things are organized. She's always constantly moving the furniture. Also, because I'm such a good boss, I did a little giveaway for my team. And our team member Jack won the cozy couch, and he keeps raving about it. Here's a picture of Jack's bachelor pad with his cozy couch in his living room.

[Sierra]

I do also have to say, having two dogs, a husband and a toddler, the fact that all of their sofas and all of their rugs are washable is a game changer and something that I will not budge on.

[Nick Viall]

No budging.

[Sierra]

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[Sierra]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Sierra]

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[Nick Viall]

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[Sierra]

So fun to just pick her brain, you know? Like, she just has so much knowledge in there.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

And we always get to, like, find out new tea that. I'm like, okay, I gotta go home and research.

[Sierra]

I know. And, like, need to subscribe to Emily the. The Emily D. Baker and find out what the hell is going on in Boston.

[Nick Viall]

We gotta get read on the show.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Mary]

Karen, come on.

[Emily D. Baker]

Oh, I can't wait.

[Mary]

Every time. I always think we're talking about country music singer Alan Jackson.

[Sierra]

No, every time he. Probably so.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

He's very identifiable, like when you see him in person. Because we were at Ojai Valley Inn and Connor, my fiance, was like, that's Alan Jackson. And I was like, no, it's not. We're like, in a pool too. So I was like, no, no, it's not. And we were literally, like, googling like starstruck at this lawyer right now.

[Sierra]

But it wasn't him.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah. Oh, my. He was in the pool with his wife.

[Sierra]

Why didn't you go say, hey, come.

[Nick Viall]

On, how do we find this out now?

[Natalie Viall]

I. I didn't say anything to him. I'm like, he's having a vacation. He just got off working one of the, like, most high profile cases.

[Nick Viall]

Hey, guys, I just saw Alan Jackson in the pool with his wife.

[Natalie Viall]

It was over my birthday weekend.

[Nick Viall]

Can confirm there's no canoodling between him and Karen. I mean, that was an alleged rumor.

[Natalie Viall]

That was an alleged rumor. Yeah.

[Justin]

Sierra's a walking blind item. She's like, alan, I'm walking safe, okay?

[Sierra]

With wife's secrets because she won't tell anyone.

[Natalie Viall]

I'm trying to be a vault, okay? I'm a safe space.

[Mary]

Yeah, you don't have to worry about her in that NDA.

[Natalie Viall]

No, you don't.

[Mary]

Guys, before we move on from Salt Lake City, and in the spirit of Halloween, I have a pumpkin. I kind of threw together a surprise presentation for you guys about Salt Lake City. Leia, pull that bad boy up.

[Natalie Viall]

All right. Oh, my God.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God. The Salt Lake. What is.

[Mary]

This is the Salt Lake Lake. It is. Okay, graphic. Graphic design wise, I did base this off of Wes Cravens the Hills have Eyes poster, okay? This is called the Salt Lake Slasher. AKA how I think all the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City would die in A horror movie. And in what order? Justin, help.

[Justin]

You guys are not ready for this.

[Mary]

So the tagline for this movie, Lisa Barlo won't be the only one physically shaking. Okay, so first to die, of course.

[Natalie Viall]

Brittany baby.

[Nick Viall]

Yes, of course. Yes, yes.

[Mary]

So her cause of death is filming an into the woods TikTok and she disappeared with a very well pitched scream. The women find her phone soon after, abandoned. With the video left unpublished. This is how they know something terrible is afoot. Her body will show up as a jump scare in the third act.

[Sierra]

Oh my God.

[Nick Viall]

Okay, Brittany Mitten even is on on this week's episode of Going Deeper. Shameless Plug. Before she dies. Yeah, before she dies. She told us everything before the killer gets her.

[Mary]

Okay, Next to die is Lisa Barlow. Her cause of death is that her phone gets tapped by the killer after calling all seven lawyers to come rescue her. The killer then reveals themselves to be reality grantees. Whitney watches in shock and awe. This was the first person to ever leave Lisa Barlow speechless. Electrical currents in the phone fried Lisa from root to tip.

[Justin]

The carous thoughts didn't protect her.

[Mary]

The Kara's toss didn't protect her this time.

[Emily D. Baker]

Diva.

[Mary]

All right, then, then here's what happens in this movie. Okay, so then Whitney runs. She tells the girls reality Von Tees has returned. Then Bronwyn wants to cheer the girls up at this news. So she puts on a giant puffer suit like the one she picks Todd up in to cheer everyone, right? And then it's like one of those scenes where it's like a dark room and she's like putting on the suit and zipping it up. The suit starts to fill with gas.

[Nick Viall]

Oh no.

[Mary]

Right, and then Bronwyn wants to escape. She's trying to escape. She's trying to escape. And then a knife comes in, but it doesn't stab her. She is able to escape with a knife and the gas releases. And then she runs. She runs from the killer.

[Natalie Viall]

She runs from Rihanna is Bronwen our final girl.

[Sierra]

And then.

[Mary]

Because then you think she might be.

[Justin]

But the.

[Mary]

Then the killer gets her and chokes her with a Cartier necklace that is allegedly hers.

[Justin]

Of course.

[Sierra]

And Emma the jeweler is Emma the jeweler.

[Mary]

Emma the jeweler. Then we move on to Meredith Marks. Meredith Marks is of course avoiding everything, disengaging alone in her bathtub. But this is not good because her cause of death is that reality puntis drowns her in the bathtub a la that one scene in Nightmare on Elm street where Freddy Krueger Krueger gets in with Nancy in that bathtub. And you can see if you're on video that my presentation has a little Freddy Krueger claw in the bathtub with Meredith. Anyway, she was eating caviar and the caviar spoon slowly dropped from her fingertips.

[Sierra]

It's a snatch from her fingertips. So snatched.

[Mary]

You know what? We're still. Me and the producers are still like deciding what will be in the final.

[Natalie Viall]

We're still in the writing room right now.

[Mary]

We're still blue skating. This is an official pitch.

[Emily D. Baker]

Okay?

[Mary]

Reality Von Teese has struck again. Okay, Then Angie Catsuneva's. Her hair gets caught in a chainsaw.

[Sierra]

Oh my God.

[Nick Viall]

Oh no.

[Sierra]

Now that's. That's some high body body count air. Love it.

[Mary]

Mary arrives late to the girls trip because she was getting a McRib and she finds Angie. And this is like the emotional.

[Justin]

This is where everybody's crying. Cuz you're like, we lost Angie. The family. You know, you saw the mother see the child.

[Mary]

Yeah, this was like she saw Angie. And you're like, oh no, shit's getting real. And you realize you did care about these women after all.

[Nick Viall]

Who's still alive at this point? Mary? Heather.

[Mary]

Mary's alive. Heather's alive. Whitney's alive.

[Nick Viall]

Okay.

[Mary]

All right. And then before Mary saw Angie though, the jump scare of Britney's body does come for Mary. She doesn't care. It doesn't affect her. I just.

[Justin]

So she finds Angie and then she finds. Finds me.

[Mary]

She finds Angie and then she's like, oh no. And then she gets up and Britney's body is like. You know in Halloween where it's like, you close it and then there's like a body right there. Like that's Britney. And then you expect her to be.

[Nick Viall]

Like, oh, oh no. And Mary's just like, just kind of steps over.

[Mary]

Yeah, she's just like.

[Justin]

So she's crying and then she's like.

[Mary]

Okay, yeah, so that's the cut. This is a comedy.

[Natalie Viall]

Horror.

[Mary]

Comedy, horror.

[Emily D. Baker]

Okay.

[Mary]

And then so Mary then runs in after this.

[Justin]

So Mary doesn't. Mary didn't know anything was happening until she saw Angie.

[Mary]

Yeah. And now she's realized something's happened. So she goes into this other room at this house that they're in and she finds the killer over Whitney. And she grabs a bottle of 2003 Dom Perignon and she hits the killer, who once again is Reality Von Teese over the head. Whitney and Mary unmask Reality Von Teese to reveal Heather Gay is the killer.

[Sierra]

Oh my God, I did not see that coming.

[Emily D. Baker]

Yeah, her motive.

[Mary]

She thought it would make a good storyline for next season.

[Sierra]

Okay. But she didn't kill her cousin.

[Mary]

Well, she was trying to.

[Nick Viall]

Is she reality Von Te.

[Mary]

Well, here. Well, Heather Gay was wearing a reality Von Tees mask she was wearing with Monica's face. So it's Monica's face. It was very Michael Myers coded. And so she was wearing the mask and, like, was, like, killing people.

[Natalie Viall]

Was Whitney in this movie?

[Justin]

She was.

[Mary]

I. Whitney's our final girl.

[Justin]

I feel like the idea of Whitney's about to die, and then Mary. So the little girl. Mary doesn't care about the little girl, but hits the killer. So Whitney survives because everybody thinks the blonde's gonna die.

[Mary]

Yeah. And so basically, there are two final girls. It's Mary and Whitney. And because, like, Justin and I were talking about this, and we did think that in the beginning of the movie to kind of set this up, like, Mary and Whitney would have gotten into a fight, which was why Mary left to go get the McGren. Okay. Because there was. Would be tension, definitely, between the two of them. Like, they're not doing well right now. And then they have to come back together to defeat Reality Von Teese and Heather, AKA Reality Von Teese in this movie does end up, like, getting up and, like, coming back after being hit to the head. And they. Mary and Whitney do escape in a sprinter and Heather.

[Justin]

And to wrap it up, we, like, we cast all the women of Salt Lake City. So Angie H. Is the one that has, like, the Omen on the side of the street that's like, the end is near. And then Jen Shaw is the one.

[Natalie Viall]

Turn around.

[Justin]

Jen Shaw is the one that's, like, scooping stuff in, like, the cafeteria, feeding.

[Nick Viall]

Them in the cabin, like, yeah, well done, guys.

[Mary]

Wait, there's one last slide. Happy Halloween from the Vile Files. Anyway, the slide. The slideshow already went away. Okay, never mind. That's all.

[Nick Viall]

Well done, Mary. Well done.

[Mary]

Thank you.

[Nick Viall]

Do we have a rapid recap for Potomac before we wrap things up for today?

[Sierra]

We do. Of course we do. Because Mary not only spent time making your Real House at Salt Lake City movie, she also gave us a rapid recap for the latest episode of the Real Housewives of Potomac. Stacy thinks that Kay hates her fur breathing. Wendy doesn't get why angel doesn't like her. But Wendy also makes it known that angel didn't graduate. So if we use context clues, those kinds of comments might be why Tia says in British that being tongue in cheek is chill, unlike Chin Checking. Which is not chill. Tia is also mad. Ashley Darby doesn't fancy her. Fancy is British for would fuck the ladies, then quickly stop fighting to say hi to the first lady of Maryland. Then we get a girls trip to Nevis. Nevis. Nevis. Wendy asked Stacey. Wendy asked Stacy if she sucks balls, as in dick. Stacy is like, how dare you? You're an academic. Also, no. In fact, I don't. We don't do that on qvc. Angel and K apparently don't want Jazzy to come on the trip, which Giselle, of course, revealed to everyone publicly. But then it all becomes about K and Wendy again. Stacy's twerking has somehow gotten worse. Also, Giselle wrote personalized notes and got monogram robes for everyone but Stacy. Lmao. And apparently there is a super face turned picture of angel out there. Angel claims it is not filtered. Question mark. Giselle does not believe this to be true. Stacy calls out Giselle because the streets are saying she has a man named Sean who played in the NFL. Welcome, Wag Zell. Giselle is like, we're just. I don't know what you're talking about. Sorry, I pull. Then Ashley reveals that Stacy was trying to date Chris Samuels. Overall, where is Monique? Discussion.

[Emily D. Baker]

I.

[Sierra]

You know, I think I am tired of them coming after Stacy. I think she's an easy target. And I think it's like, okay, sure, but, like, I do need a little bit more than just, like, every dinner. We're, like, coming at Stacy for something that really doesn't matter.

[Natalie Viall]

I think the effort of not monogramming her robe and, like, her bag, it's like, it takes so much more effort.

[Sierra]

And then it's like the men set the party. It's like we're just, like, going out of our way to, like, bully Stacy. And I just like. Like, I don't really care.

[Natalie Viall]

I kind of felt, too, like Giselle was like. And I feel like this is her every season, and I forget about it when it starts. But, like, Midway just feels like she's, like the puppet master. You know what I mean? She's like, oh, by the way, you two don't like each other. Why don't we have this discussion? And then when she's over it, she's.

[Mary]

Like, you know what?

[Natalie Viall]

We need to get ready for dinner. Let's table this, and then let's start some shit up with somebody else in the next round. And it just kind of is so bothersome because it's just like, nobody has an issue with Giselle, but Giselle's. Ready to like you, too. Fine.

[Nick Viall]

She's kind of like the Brittany Bateman of Potomac, Stacy, where it's just like.

[Mary]

Stacy is Brittany Bateman.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Beautiful woman, you know, know, very kind of kind and sweet and, like, doesn't have the killer instinct that some of these other women have. And I think they smell weakness, and they. They have, like, a little bit less respect for her. Like, they.

[Justin]

They.

[Nick Viall]

You know, clearly, the women of Salt Lake City, like, don't respect Britney as much as some of the other women. And, you know, like, they said, I mean, if you haven't listened to going deeper episode with Brittany, I mean, we just had a great time with her. Like, she was just fun. She was fun to be around, you know, and. And we got to see more of the human side with her. I just. She's hard not to like in person. That was. That was my biggest takeaway is that she's just a real kind and friendly person. And. Yeah, I just. And I. I would imagine Stacy's the same way.

[Mary]

I think my theory on Stacy is she talks like that because she's on qvc, and I think the women read that as inauthentic.

[Natalie Viall]

Okay.

[Sierra]

I think I am tired of this, like, Kay and Wendy drama. That's not really drama, but we're just, like, trying to make it be drama. And then they're, like. They're, like, laughing at the end of it. It's like, are y' all doing a scene? You know, it's like, it feels so clear that it's a staged scene, and they're, like, overall, totally fine with each other, but they're like, let's just, like, quickly argue to give it something, and it feels so obvious.

[Natalie Viall]

Yeah, No, I agree with that, too, because I'm just kind of like, does. Does it really matter if Wendy likes you or not? Because it doesn't matter, because the next thing you know, she's, like, hurling her stuff at somebody else. Because now who's Jazzy?

[Sierra]

That's Stacey's friend.

[Natalie Viall]

But, like, was she on the show before?

[Nick Viall]

I have no idea.

[Natalie Viall]

Jazzy?

[Justin]

I don't know. I'm not sure, because I just felt.

[Natalie Viall]

Like we were all of a sudden just, like, introduced to this person that says hi at a table, and the next thing you know, we're having her bachelorette party. So I was like, maybe I missed a season.

[Mary]

Yeah, this is the first season I watched it, so I have no clue.

[Natalie Viall]

Okay, so it's like, I need some clarity on that. But I was just.

[Sierra]

Apparently, her husband's on the bench, though we did learn that about her.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Mary]

And then Angel's a real wag, I think, like the. The wag drama I'm into. Give me more of that. Of course, less like, more of the wag drama of, like, your husband's not a real football player. Less of Wendy and K pretending.

[Sierra]

But it was like, producer questioned. And angel handled herself very well in the response of being like, everyone is important to the team, you know, like, doesn't matter who you are.

[Natalie Viall]

And even how they went back and talked about how she answered that question with the my husband's a 10 year starter or whatever, where it was just the way that they showed it the first time. Looks like she just gave that information out of nowhere. And then they're like, no, no, no. She asked me a question, I answered it. Which I was like, okay, nice, nice.

[Justin]

She's been on the show before.

[Natalie Viall]

Jazzy was.

[Justin]

Yeah. Do you know what season she debuted in? Season nine.

[Nick Viall]

Anyone here raise your hand if you dated an NFL football player? No.

[Justin]

No one? No. Oh, you did, Nick. I was like, I want to hear that story.

[Emily D. Baker]

Nice.

[Sierra]

Me too.

[Nick Viall]

I did play pickleball with Eric Decker, so.

[Sierra]

Basically the same thing. Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

I was told to stay away from athletes. I've never dated one.

[Nick Viall]

By your fiance.

[Natalie Viall]

He played football in high school.

[Mary]

There you go.

[Sierra]

That counts. Yeah.

[Natalie Viall]

So, yeah, I'm actually engaged to athlete division for athlete.

[Nick Viall]

Absolutely.

[Sierra]

Well, my husband was the state champion of track, so I'm also bag.

[Natalie Viall]

Oh, hello. We need rings and bands and. And shirts and things.

[Mary]

There are wags for all of those with eye to see. There are wags everywhere for all of those with eyes to see.

[Natalie Viall]

Thank you.

[Nick Viall]

And in high school, Major league baseball, Scout said I had a lot of potential.

[Natalie Viall]

You could have been mlb.

[Mary]

You in another timeline. You could have been.

[Nick Viall]

I just chose love and happiness innings instead, you know?

[Natalie Viall]

Hell, yeah.

[Sierra]

It was your girlfriend at the time.

[Nick Viall]

Time you, baby. I knew you were there.

[Sierra]

I was dead.

[Mary]

Yeah. Natalie, if Nick was a baseball player and he was in that last Dodgers game that went.

[Natalie Viall]

What was it?

[Nick Viall]

18 innings, 2 games. Who won last night, by the way?

[Natalie Viall]

Blue Jays.

[Nick Viall]

They did.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Boo.

[Sierra]

Bad, bad loss.

[Natalie Viall]

I have one thing that I want to bring up. Who got called out for the face tune Angel. Angel, where I was kind of like, I think that that's a really rich thing for y' all to be calling out at a table when housewives are so notoriously face apping on a regular that I was like, she tweaked her face a little bit like why do we need to bring this up as a topic of conversation?

[Justin]

Yeah, like, you already know it's gonna go your way, right?

[Sierra]

Like, do we need to pull out the receipts on everyone else? Do you want that shown on television or. I don't know.

[Mary]

I think the core of it is just because she looked skinnier in that photo. And they were like, that's not right.

[Natalie Viall]

Well, that's why I thought.

[Mary]

Which was really rude.

[Natalie Viall]

So messed up. And I'm glad that I can't remember who's sitting next to her, but was like, she just had a baby four months ago. Like, you know what I mean? Your face changes, your body changes. Like, and she's on the way back, but I'm like, how dare you try to make her feel mad about herself for putting a photo up on the Internet that she felt good in? Like, send it in your group chat talk. You don't need to, like, try to embarrass her in front of a group of people.

[Mary]

In another instance of. I mean, I love to see it on tv, but Giselle being a demon.

[Natalie Viall]

Giselle. Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick Viall]

Well, that will do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guest, Emily D. Baker, for joining us. Also, don't forget, if you are looking for love and are interested in joining our super Secret dating docu series and you're in the cities of Los Angeles and Nashville, go to our link in bio on my personal Instagram or the show's Instagram and fill out our casting call. Also, don't forget going deeper next week with Sparkle, Megan and her former fiance Jordan. Plus, we have Shannon Beador next week. So much that and more.

[Sierra]

And we had Brittany Bateman this week.

[Nick Viall]

Brittany Bateman was this week. And if you're looking just. It's just us.

[Sierra]

We're just always busy guys.

[Nick Viall]

Just listen to it. You will. You will love it. It's fascinating. It's so fascinating.

[Mary]

It's the best thing ever.

[Nick Viall]

It's the best. We'll see you on Monday.

[Justin]

Bye.

[Nick Viall]

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So, Dana.

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[Sierra]

Nice.

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