E1028 – Going Deeper with Sparkle Megan and Jordan: Love Is Blind Unpacked

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Viall Files – E1028

Title: Going Deeper with Sparkle Megan and Jordan: Love Is Blind Unpacked
Date: November 5, 2025
Host(s): Nick Viall (not present in this episode), Michelle Buteau, Ryan Seacrest
Guests: Megan (“Sparkle Megan”), Jordan (Love Is Blind S6)

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Episode Overview

This "Going Deeper" episode dives into the post-show journeys of Megan (famously dubbed "Sparkle Megan") and Jordan from season 6 of Love Is Blind. Co-hosted by Ryan Seacrest and Michelle Buteau, the conversation explores how the experiment affected their romantic lives, the show's editing and online narratives, challenges around blending families and parenting, money and lifestyle differences, and what’s next for both. The episode is open, candid, and full of first-hand reflections, with humor and warmth throughout.

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Key Discussion Points

1. How Megan and Jordan Landed on Love Is Blind (03:08)

• Megan’s Motivation: Applied after a break-up, not a big reality TV fan, but wanted something different.

  "I figured it was a long shot, but here we are." — Megan (03:17)

• Jordan’s Path: Heard about the show on a Tinder date, was encouraged by friends to apply, didn’t know the show beforehand.

2. Pod Experience & ‘Love Triangle’ Dynamics (05:18)

• Both initially ranked each other 12th out of 16 on Day 1.

• Their connection grew through repeated, algorithm-driven dating matches in the pods.

• Jordan was upfront: “Hey, I'm a dad, I had a vasectomy.” Megan’s “sparkle” nickname initially turned him off.

  "We just kept getting matched… as each day went on, we were like, hey, I think there's something here." — Megan (05:47)

3. Growth Through the Process (06:32)

• Both credit the process—and creator Chris’s daily pep talks—with pushing them outside their dating comfort zones.
• Megan: Realized her typical "type" wasn't serving her, and Jordan was the kind of guy “you marry.”

4. Behind the Reality TV Curtain: Editing and Online Narratives (09:12)

• There was frustration over the year-and-a-half delay between filming and airing.
• Editing amplified certain storylines (like diabetes and "money issues").
• Megan addresses online hate toward Casey, defends her castmate, and shares that some reunion drama was overblown (10:37).

5. The "Reveal" Moment & Transition into Real Life (11:30, 14:02)

• Both tried to avoid physical description questions; Megan braced herself for anything at the reveal (12:51).
• Real-world transition was “seamless” but complicated by cameras and the pace.

  “You spend so much time in the pods having the most intimate conversations… Megan knows me better than most people on this planet.” — Jordan (14:02)

6. Gift Exchange and Turning Points (16:07)

• The pivotal “gift day” marked a shift:

  “Do not give Mike any of my gifts. Jordan gets all the gifts.” — Megan (17:12)

7. Money, Careers, and the ‘Lifestyle’ Narrative (36:06, 39:54, 41:28)

• The infamous “car” storyline: Megan drove a Range Rover, but both stress it was an inside joke, exaggerated by editing.
• Megan’s wealth: Self-made in oil and gas, via a startup equity windfall after buyouts.
• The core issue wasn’t money, but contrasting access to time/flexibility.

  “It was just… time. I just didn't have the time that she needed.” — Jordan (41:28)

8. Family, Parenting, and Co-Parenting (22:17, 23:13, 27:31)

• Jordan’s son, Luca (6.5), his relationship with Luca’s mom, and the decision to get a vasectomy at 25 for accountability (23:13).
• The challenges introducing partners to each other's families, prioritizing Luca’s well-being.

9. Deciding Not to Marry—Why It Ended (53:51)

• The decision to end things before the altar was mutual and driven by respect for Luca and each other (“no dramatic breakup at the altar for TV”).
• Both agree the timing, lifestyle, and Jordan’s work/parenting commitments were core obstacles.

  "We waited till the last second to call it off. But we had committed not to leave each other at the altar because my son was going to be there." — Jordan (54:02)

10. Life After the Show: Relationships, Parenting, and New Ventures

• Megan: Met her current partner Paul after returning to Denver (wellness retreat connection), had a child soon after (44:21). She’s focused on motherhood and is considering future entrepreneurial ventures (82:02).
• Jordan: Casual dating, protective of sharing his son with new partners, wrote a children’s book “Dear Luca” inspired by parenting a diabetic child (82:34).

11. How the Show Changed Them & Lessons Learned

• Both are more intentional and open about their needs and boundaries in relationships since the show.
• Jordan notes a need for patience, accountability, and someone who will treat him with kindness, given his priorities as a father (73:25).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "We ranked each other 12 on the first day." — Megan (05:18)
• “We just kept on going… The fact that we had a second date just so blows my mind.” — Jordan (07:51)
• “The game changer was having equity in a startup. My salary was never anything sizable.” — Megan on building wealth (38:13)
• “I never wanted to be a sugar baby. Like, I …” — Jordan (42:24)
• “I would have much rather, you know, what actually happened, happened than for her to go through with a marriage she wasn’t…” — Jordan on the breakup decision (47:39)
• "You need to get married to her. And I said, I'm okay. I'm good on that. We'll give this a go." — Jordan on his parents' reaction to pregnancy (28:08)
• “Mutual respect… Even though I ultimately made the decision to walk away, I was really struggling." — Megan on post-show processing (84:59)

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |------------|-----------------------------------------------------| | 03:08 | Love Is Blind casting and motivations | | 05:18 | Initial impressions and pod experience | | 07:00 | Pivoting outside comfort zones/learning from process| | 09:12 | What got edited out, online narratives | | 11:30 | "The Reveal" and first in-person meeting | | 14:02 | Post-reveal transition to real life | | 16:07 | The gift exchange and Megan's turning point | | 36:06 | Car, money, and lifestyle storyline | | 39:54 | Unpacking the money/lifestyle narrative | | 41:28 | “Time” as the real resource issue in dating | | 53:51 | Decision to end things pre-altar | | 82:34 | Post-show ambitions (Megan: entrepreneurship, Jordan: children’s book) | | 83:37 | “Dear Luca” book details |

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Additional Highlights

• Vasectomy at 25: Jordan was candid about having a vasectomy after his son, challenging gender norms on reproductive responsibility (23:13).
• Blended Families: Both discussed the complexities and necessary respect in blended family introductions, emphasizing transparency and caution (64:50).
• Editing & Reality TV: Both openly reflected on the editing process and how it sometimes amplified minor inside jokes (like the car) or reduced nuanced conversations to “money issues.”
• Respectful Breakup: Unlike many reality couples, they avoided “mudslinging” both during and after filming (02:38, 54:02).
• Fan Reactions/Post-Show Recognition: Megan touched on internet rumors, dislike of losing her own narrative to paparazzi/bloggers (57:30), and debating how much to share about her child.
• Intentional Dating/Parenting Boundaries: Jordan, now more intentional with relationships, is not rushing to introduce his son to anyone (63:31).

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Closing Thoughts

This episode delivered a refreshingly honest look at reality TV life—both onscreen and after. Megan and Jordan model thoughtful co-exes, reveal the messiness and growth that comes with unconventional dating, and highlight the importance of intentionality, communication, and respect for family boundaries. Both seem to have moved forward positively, sharing warmth and gratitude for the experience.

“Yeah, we out here being healthy and shit.” — Jordan (87:24)

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For more on Megan's business aspirations and Jordan's children's book, visit:

• Dear Luca - Jordan's book (83:37)

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Transcript

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[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Megan]

Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap. You're almost at the finish line. But first there, the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes. You're crazy.

[Michelle Buteau]

So is it still Sparkle Megan or is that. Are we still going by Sparkle Megan?

[Megan]

I don't think that name will ever live me down. Unfortunately.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I was gonna say it's like on. It's kind of crazy. The like behind the scenes is that like there was just another Megan and like you needed to figure out a way to differentiate yourself. And then now it's like the media is like, oh, Sparkle Megan.

[Megan]

This, that, this.

[Michelle Buteau]

Well, Sparkle Muggan Jordan, welcome to the show.

[Megan]

Thank you. Thanks for having us.

[Ryan Seacrest]

We're excited to have you.

[Michelle Buteau]

Very excited here to have you both. Thanks for both coming. Sometimes when we love to do the he said, she said versions that are not on speaking terms. But you guys, did you guys take the same flight?

[Megan]

Same flight?

[Jordan]

We sure did.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay, so you guys are clearly.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Did you trade someone to sit beside each other?

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. Did you sit down? Okay. You did not.

[Megan]

Different rows.

[Michelle Buteau]

All right.

[Megan]

But we're like, man, the speculation is going to be flying.

[Michelle Buteau]

Any, any pre game huddles prior to coming here.

[Jordan]

I mean, a little bit we talked about just, we. I think we're like one of the only couples not mudslinging, you know, and we really wanted to keep it that way. I Think we still really just respect each other so much.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay.

[Jordan]

And yeah, that's what I mean, who we are, naturally.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Well, the next 90 minutes is muzzling.

[Megan]

If you want to get in.

[Michelle Buteau]

A safe zone, game on. And we will. Let's just forget it happens. It's like what stays on the bio files. We'll just leave it on.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's like Vegas kind of, you know.

[Michelle Buteau]

Like, how did both people like you end up on Love is Blind? And what was your familiarity with the show prior to coming on?

[Megan]

Yeah, so I applied. I had just gotten out of a relationship and that was like, something is not working. I've given everything else a try, so I figured it was a long shot, but here we are.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And were you a fan? Like, had you watched? I'm sure you knew what you were getting yourself.

[Megan]

I have seen some. Yeah. I wouldn't say I was a fan. I'm not a huge reality TV person, but I had seen it.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I found out about it on this Tinder date and it was like the first 20 minutes of the day and she brought up and I was like, oh, the date's going so well. And then I'd never heard of the show or anything. And I told my friends about it and they're like, you really got to apply. And then that just kind of sat in the back of my mind for a couple of weeks because it was just like a long process. I'm just so selfish with my time. And then I applied and next, you.

[Michelle Buteau]

Know, your dinner date.

[Jordan]

Who was first dinner date. And she said something, she's like, me and my friends are going to apply or blah, blah, blah. And I was like, oh, that's weird.

[Ryan Seacrest]

All right, so I'm not the one or.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

And then she told you about it. You were like, my. My Tinder date.

[Megan]

Did she?

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm guessing she wasn't casted.

[Michelle Buteau]

No.

[Jordan]

No.

[Michelle Buteau]

What a win for you.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Megan]

I don't know.

[Jordan]

I mean, she was a. She seemed super nice, but just not. Not my person.

[Michelle Buteau]

Imagine the devastation, her turning on the.

[Megan]

Season be like, that is hilarious. Have you talked to her?

[Jordan]

No.

[Megan]

I would be so curious. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Truly have not.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. I mean, what was your guys experience in the pods? It's always kind of fascinating to hear people's perspectives. We've talked to a few other people. I think it's a. People, you know, it's a TV show, they have a limited time, but it's always fascinating to sometimes learn that there were other relationships or other conversations. Sometimes you get to See that, like Ally and Anton. Anton was like, yeah, like, I had a whole other relationship up until proposal day. And it seems like him and Ali fell in love on the first day. Well, I know you guys kind of. There were some love triangles, but, like, remind us about your pod experiences and what that was like.

[Megan]

It was funny. We ranked each other 12 on the first day.

[Michelle Buteau]

12. Yeah.

[Megan]

So the first day you date. Yeah, the first day you date. There was 16 guys and 16 girls this season. So first day you date everybody for 10 minutes and then at the end of the day, rank everybody. So I think, you know, Jordan came in hot saying, like, hey, I'm a dad, I had a vasectomy. And I was like, whoa, that was interesting. And then I think my sparkle mega thing turned him off, which I appreciated.

[Jordan]

I said, not me.

[Megan]

Totally fair, totally fair. But, yeah, I think just the way the algorithm shakes out, we just kept getting matched. And then, like, as each day went on, we were like, hey, I think there's something here.

[Michelle Buteau]

What about that? I'm curious for both of you. Taught you about how you guys look for love, I guess, you know, following your guys breakup and you guys went out into the real world. I mean, it kind of. It's kind of fascinating because to be like 12th on your list and keep meeting and keep meeting and then I know you guys didn't end up together, but there seemed to be a real mutual, like something good there. There was a relationship that, you know, I think as viewers, we all believed in. Yeah.

[Jordan]

So I guess I think, you know, we're both kind of into, like, the universe push us in that direction. I'm not super into the woo woo stuff, but yeah, it was just, again, the odds that we get cast on this TV show, like, who knows how many people apply? Right? And then the fact that there's 16 people, 16 guys, 16 girls, and then the fact that you just like, we fell so hard in love with each other just kept just getting, like, more and more, you know, like, statistically impossible.

[Megan]

It taught me, certainly. And so we would get pep talks every day from Chris, the creator, and he, you know, encouraging us to, like, not choose what we've always gone for and to get outside of our comfort zone. And like, I think for me especially, that hit hard because I was like, you know, the mics of the world. That was who I had always dated. And so every pep talk that we got from Chris, it like, really resonated. And I think especially as Jordan and I continue to see each other and date, you know, I Was like, man, this is the kind of guy that I probably never have gone for in the real world. But, like, this is the guy you marry.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, I guess that's kind of what I meant. Because outside of the pods, did either of you, when you started dating again, did you, either of you lean into being open to trying something that didn't instantly, you know?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I think since we both ranked each other number 12, you know, I think we. The fact that we had a second date just so blows my mind. Cause they use some form of algorithm, I guess, that they match organ donors with. I forget what it's called, but it's, like, very. It's very.

[Megan]

I got that to admit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Very, like, scientific and intentional. Hopefully that's not a production secret, but. Yeah. So it's just. It was crazy that, again, we're number 12, and I think we're so different, but so similar in the same facet that we just kept on going.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I felt like, Megan, you talked a lot about your dad and kind of like Luca and your dad and kind of how you felt like maybe he put Jordan in your life for a reason. Do you feel like that is kind of like what pushed you to choose Jordan in the end?

[Megan]

I would say it was a piece of it. I think there's a lot of commentary online that people are like, oh, my God, all they talk about is diabetes. And, like, that was played up a little bit. Like, I. I for sure, like, it was a consideration for me. And, like, I'm probably bigger into the woo things than Jordan is, but just similarly, like, another sign from the universe that I. I was paying attention to, for sure.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Well, I mean, it's also clearly a huge part of your life, Jordan. And then you. You went through something so traumatic with your father that, like, why. Yeah, why wouldn't you talk about it, you know?

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And it's not your fault they edited the way they did.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You know, but.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. Was there anything in the pods that, like, we didn't get to see? I think a lot of people speaking of edits and how they choose to, like, lean into a storyline and can be, you know, reality TV is really great at just, like, hammering in a narrative. And there's this, like. Yeah, well, like, there was this really cool moment, maybe, you know, listen, what you got, what meant something to you. Maybe the producer's just, like, I don't know, that's kind of boring or whatever. But, like, are there moments, whether it's on your individual journeys or as a couple? We didn't get to see that. You wish the audience would have been able to. I don't know.

[Jordan]

I think they did a good job putting, like, the main focus points on our story, but I mean, also, it was so long ago. You know, it's a whole nother life they filmed. I don't know if Netflix will ever wait that long from production to releasing it again because.

[Michelle Buteau]

How long was it? A year and a half?

[Jordan]

It was like a year and a half. So there's a lot of. I don't remember going on.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, I feel like that's like, what's so hard about the reunion is that everyone is, like, trying to put themselves back in that. And I think we saw it a lot with KB and Edmund of, like, him just being like, I don't remember that that way. And it's like, that's valid. It was a year and a half ago and, like, I'm sure so much has gone on.

[Michelle Buteau]

Did you feel like anyone was performing at the reunion?

[Jordan]

No comment. Oh, I'm not. I love all my castmates. I don't. I don't want to. Everyone's uniquely themselves and I appreciate that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I mean, I felt like there was a little bit of a pile on. On Casey was my personal opinion. I know.

[Megan]

Are.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Do you feel like you're probably the closest with her out of all the other?

[Megan]

I don't know if I'm the closest, but yeah. I mean, I think it was a little unfair that she was getting so much hate. And like, truthfully, I think that some girls ganged up on her a little bit. You know, she's human. We're all human. And like. Yeah. Did she screw up on some things? Absolutely. But I. Yeah, I think people are being a little harsh.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I feel like they were. There was also a lot of talk about the, like, pool party or something that also, I feel like was that.

[Jordan]

Pool party wasn't even that fun. I don't know. It wasn't that dramatic from there. Yeah. It was just a bunch of the cast people hanging out. I don't know where all these allegations or whatever coming from, but two paws.

[Ryan Seacrest]

On Brendan's chest and there was crying in the corner.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, I was like, doing my own thing, but I don't remember it being that dramatic. So I don't know why that keeps coming back up. Because it was just a pool party.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

So what is it like? I mean, when first of all, the reveal, we had a chance not too long ago to go see the pods and got the tour and we.

[Ryan Seacrest]

We stood in the reveal.

[Michelle Buteau]

The reveal area. What a trippy place. But I mean, just. I'm curious your guys expectations. Did you have an idea in your head of what the other person looked like?

[Megan]

Did.

[Michelle Buteau]

How do you. How do you. How do you do that? Like, how do you.

[Megan]

Yeah. So Jordan, I mean, I felt like we were pretty good the whole time about keeping like talk about physical appearance out of it. I think tattoos was like the only question that I specifically asked that was like a physical marker. And he even said, I. Oh, I've got a couple small.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And was that because what. Did Mike say something about his tattoos or did you just have like a random. I'm trying to.

[Megan]

I think after the fact, he did like throw something in there. But like, I wouldn't have known it was connected to. To Jordan. But he would throw just in like normal conversation. He would throw some like, funny things in there. Like, oh, you know, I'm. I'm five, seven. I'm a skinny skater kid.

[Michelle Buteau]

Oh, yeah.

[Jordan]

I would just fit. I was really trying to get her to lean into the whole experimen.

[Megan]

Yeah. And so I was like. I think going into the reveal, I literally prepared myself. I was like, he's gonna be a total gremlin. Like.

[Michelle Buteau]

You were preparing yourself for ugly.

[Megan]

Yeah. For the worst. Well. Cause like, I can't hide my feelings. And so I was just like, all right. Like, I don't know. And so I think I was like, very pleasantly surprised. And like, when you're standing in front of that reveal door, there's like a tiny little sliver. Cause you're backlit by all these lights, and there's this tiny little sliver that I could like, see his shadow through. And I was like, okay, he's tall. He's got hair, like a big head of hair. Yeah.

[Jordan]

They're gonna change that next season completely.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Blackout.

[Megan]

And they make you stand there for.

[Jordan]

Like five minutes or something.

[Megan]

Yeah. And they're like on. The lights are on. The lights are off. And you're like, jesus, just.

[Jordan]

How much.

[Michelle Buteau]

Time are you actually spending talking before they pull you guys away again?

[Megan]

20 minutes.

[Jordan]

I think it was. No, it was a super weird time. Was like 17 or something. 7. It was like a very. I don't know how they calculated this amount of time, but it was like 17 or 18 or 19. Yeah, but it was like an odd number to go through that with.

[Megan]

But I think, like, ours was cool. You know, the other couples, I feel like you can sense like the awkwardness and the tension. But with us, like, he had pictures of Luca and, like, I don't know, like, I was expecting it to be a lot weirder than it was, but it just felt.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there was so natural. You just spend so much time in the pods having, like, the most intimate conversations. Like, I don't think people realize how much time you spend together.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Which is also why I was so comfortable introducing my son to the whole thing. Just because, like, I feel like Megan knows me more than, you know me better than most people on this planet. Right. And it's probably vice versa. But again, it's so intentional with the guided questions. And you're just. You're dating in the morning, and sometimes, I don't know, like, you think there was one date, we spent eight hours or something in the pods, and you're just, like, having these deep conversations. You're laughing, laughing, you're crying.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Was there a certain question that, like, I know you're in a relationship. Are you in a relationship, Jordan?

[Megan]

No. You're not.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Is there a question that you would take from the love is one process into, like, a dating environment?

[Jordan]

Maybe not like, a particular question, but, like, the strategy of just being hyper intentional, you know? Like, I really like how they had the guided questions, and, you know, no one told you what to do. Sometimes you could just freestyle, and then sometimes there might be, like, a. Like, a dip in conversation, and you could just open your little notebook and, you know, have eight hours to talk about something. So it was very cool how they do it. They. They. They truly wanted to work out.

[Megan]

And you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So we know, Megan, you were between Mike, Jordan, and Blake was like, your three that we saw. Who else were you talking to?

[Megan]

Jordan.

[Jordan]

So I think I was. It was just Casey up until the last few days.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, okay.

[Megan]

Yeah. So there was a moment where. Because all us girls, I think same with you guys, like, we kept pretty quiet in the lounge. And so, like, I don't know. I think I've seen other seasons to know, like, don't show your cards.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Right.

[Megan]

But there was a moment where Casey and I. I kind of put two and two together, and I thought we were in a love square with, like, me, her, Mike, and Jordan.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh, yeah.

[Megan]

And I was like, oh, man. Cause she said something about Luca, like, pretty far into the process, and I was like, oh, wow.

[Michelle Buteau]

So what stopped you from. Cause you were, like, planning on friend zoning Jordan for a minute. What stopped you? What was the thing that made you reconsider that?

[Megan]

There was one date, specifically that. And I think I even walked out of that. And it Was shown. It totally changed for me. And I think just like, I don't know, we just started to really click and it was easy and it was fun and Yeah, I think we were just.

[Jordan]

It was easy, it was fun.

[Megan]

And. And then I think like concurrently, you know, the opposite was happening with Mike. He was starting to show some sides of him that I was like, red flag, red flag, red flag. And so, yeah, there. There was a date where a day pretty far in where you give each other gifts and they intentionally have you bring two. So if you're like down to two connections, each one of them gets one.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What were your gifts?

[Megan]

Oh, man, it was like my favorite things.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it was a. It was like a travel guy type thing with like a Polaroid camera, which got stolen out of my car. Fuck you.

[Michelle Buteau]

Whoever did that.

[Megan]

It was stolen out of your car.

[Jordan]

Someone stolen out of my car. They also stole canned chicken out of there. So I was like, you know what? You probably need that camera.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You have it and you're gonna take some photos.

[Megan]

Yeah. So I remember specifically that day. That day I was like, do not give Mike any of my gifts. Jordan gets all the gifts.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Like, do you remember what he gave you?

[Megan]

Yeah, he gave me a locket with. Yeah, it was like a cute little heart locket. But then it was funny. I was like, well, what do you want me to put in here? And he was like, I don't know. You can put a picture of my parents. Like, what? Yeah, sounds like something.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm just giving you ideas. You can take any of you want.

[Michelle Buteau]

You guys have mentioned a few times, even here, that you're like the opposite of each other's type. In the pods, you know, we'll get into the whole, like money dynamic that was a big part of your guys storyline. But that aside, I mean, what. What do you guys mean? Because honestly, when I was like, you see, when we're watching you guys, I don't.

[Jordan]

I don't see that's what I'm saying. I think it was the lifestyle. But you put us in. To the same room, like. Or you put us in the pods. Yeah, I mean, we're talking all day long and I think we're laughing the same jokes. It's just. Yeah, the lifestyle. So I. Yeah, it does drive me nuts when you say that.

[Megan]

No, and I don't mean that. Like, I. I think we. I talked about this like during when we were together. It's like, I don't think we would ever be in the same. I feel like we would have. Yeah. We would have. We would never even cross paths in real life.

[Jordan]

Yeah. But that doesn't make us different. I know that doesn't make us different.

[Megan]

True.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I don't know if you saw or not, but they were some things that came out about Mike.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I'm just curious if. If you had seen any of those and if. Like that, because I know you went on a date with him after filming. Right.

[Megan]

Yeah. I would say again, like, dates are very generous. Coffee?

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, coffee.

[Megan]

Not even. Like, there was. I was out with two of my friends that are couples, and he came and joined us. So, like. Okay, not sure what that is. Yeah. A group hang. Yeah. And then one I would classify as a date, but erroneous. What was it?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Did you see those? And what was your reaction? Were you shocked? Were you, like, I can see it.

[Megan]

Yes, I did see the comments. I don't know. I mean, again, like, I feel like people, when you're kind of put in the public space, are quick to say anything. So I. I don't know.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And then you. Were you in the room when Nick came in and Brendan was, like, kind of crying over Annie and Nick came in?

[Jordan]

No, we. I think that's when we just got engaged. And I was like, wow, this is sick. I'm gonna get super drunk. So I got super drunk, and the next thing you know, I was out of there. I don't know what happened.

[Michelle Buteau]

Or is that when Joe got hammered?

[Jordan]

I mean, which day of the week? That's my dog, but, yeah, I don't remember. Yeah, they took me to some, like, tent to sit there by myself, and I was just like, this is. I wish I wasn't drunk right now, but I was just celebrating. And I think me being drunk and silly was not the. What they wanted to see in regards to the. The drama happening in the lounge.

[Megan]

So they did say our cast was, like, the most boozy cast. Like, they had to take booze away from us multiple times, apparently. Wow.

[Michelle Buteau]

Some more than others.

[Jordan]

It's very. I thought it was very important to introduce alcohol to the experiment because, like, that was one of the things that kind of. Me and Casey got into it a little bit, is I felt like she would drink and then talk to me slightly different. And I was like, I want to. I want to drink a bottle of wine and eat, you know, lasagna with my wife and not have any sort of disputes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

I mean, I think someone smart, a woman who can't hold her liquor is the biggest ick for me.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean, I can't I do. Okay. But, yeah, I just. I just think it's.

[Michelle Buteau]

We've all been real sauce before, but.

[Megan]

If we all got real sauce.

[Jordan]

But that's the thing. I don't drink. I don't drink a lot, but when I do drink, I'm trying to get like.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But yeah, I mean, that totally makes sense of, like, if you're going to marry this person, you need to see them.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You want to experience how they are when they're. Because, yes, the conversation, you just turn, you know, sour for no reason sometimes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And which was the night in Baja with him and Joe doing their back and forth. Was that the first time you. I'm guessing, had seen him drunk?

[Jordan]

Super drunk, probably.

[Megan]

Yeah. I mean, we. Yeah, that was the second day we were together in person, I think.

[Jordan]

But that was also the first time she seen me joke around with my boys like that. And, yeah. And, yeah, I apologize. I was super out left field. I'm sure that was culture shock to the max. And they edited a lot. I was saying some wildly inappropriate stuff.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So they shout out to editors.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I'm just. I want to be open, honest, and transparent. Like, my. I've been working blue collar my entire life, so it's just making the worst jokes, the most inappropriate jokes to make, you know, your boys in the field laugh. So she was just getting the taste of that. And.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Okay, so when you watched it back, you weren't like, damn, Joe's kind of being mean to me.

[Jordan]

No, not really. Again, I have thick skin. The guys in the blue collar field, like, yeah, they are mean to you. So Joe is just being. Yeah, he was teasing me a little bit.

[Michelle Buteau]

But remind me what you do again, for work.

[Jordan]

So I was working. I, like, oversee maintenance contracts, essentially, so for, like, a logistic logistical equipment. It's like semi trucks, trailers, box trucks, and things of that nature. So, yeah, I just had this huge maintenance department, and I would just get things fixed when they broke and get yelled at.

[Michelle Buteau]

You're not doing it anymore.

[Jordan]

So, I mean, I currently do just for a different company, so.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And Luca, how old is he?

[Jordan]

Six and a half.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Six and a half. And what was. What is your relationship like with his mom?

[Jordan]

That's super good. Yeah. Yeah. We have, like, a blended family. Luca has. I don't want to call her like, a half sister, but he has a sister with, you know, Luca's stepdad. And we're. We're very. I wouldn't say we're, like, overly close, but I think we're closer than. Than most people. In our society.

[Michelle Buteau]

What was that process, like, telling his mom that you were going on love is blind.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So I was just super honest that I was gonna apply, and she's like, all right, cool. And then the next day, I literally applied and had a casting person hit me up the next day, And I think we were both like, you're gonna go on. But she was just very concerned that I was gonna get villainized due to my, like, tattoos and stuff like that. So she was.

[Megan]

Jokes on her.

[Jordan]

Yeah, jokes on her.

[Michelle Buteau]

Vasectomy. I think a lot of people were. I think a lot of people just caught off guard that you had one at was like, 25.

[Jordan]

25.

[Michelle Buteau]

After one kid, You. I mean, the joke, it was basically like, wow. Like, he must have really hated that. Like, how did you come to make that decision after having won and being a young man and.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, so, like, truthful. I never wanted kids growing up, which. There's nothing wrong with that. And I had my accidental son, which is the best thing that's ever happened. And I just decided it's just not a mistake that I think I want to make again. Not to call him a mistake, but he was a happy accident. Right. And I just wanted to make. I just wanted to make sure I was the one being responsible.

[Michelle Buteau]

Right.

[Jordan]

Because again, the hormones and birth control and stuff, I just. Like, the guys are always just like, oh, I can do whatever I want, you know, and it's. I was just trying to be more responsible.

[Megan]

Okay.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And, Megan, did you feel like that, like, hearing that he had a vasectomy? I guess. What was your reaction to that?

[Megan]

Yeah. So, I mean, that's why, like, the first day when he came in and said that, I was like, ooh. Like, because I have always wanted kids, and I. You know, I'm not very well versed on the, you know, how easily that's reversed and the success rate and everything like that. So I was like, yeah, like, I want my own kids. I don't know. I love that.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And then you. I feel like it made a little bit more sense. And I feel like. And correct me if I'm wrong, maybe attracted you a little bit more to him when he was like, listen, women have to take birth control. I'm doing my part, so, like, women don't have to. Did that change?

[Megan]

So we had this same conversation in the pods. Like, why did you do it? Would you get it reversed? Would you have more kids? And once I got comfortable with that, and, you know, he would get it reversed. He would have more kids. It was fine. But, yeah, that first day, I was like, oh, shit. Yeah, I'm scared.

[Jordan]

I told everyone, like, the first date, I just tried to. Because if my person's not there, I was trying to get the fudge out of there, you know?

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So you are always. No matter what. And is that how you treat dates off camera in general?

[Jordan]

So I do now. But, yeah, before, I just was not being intentional. I was projecting a lot and no pun intended.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Ejecting the lie.

[Jordan]

My bad.

[Megan]

That's crazy. Oh, the joke project.

[Jordan]

There's no. There's no off button, unfortunately. But, yeah, it just. I wasn't being intentional, truthfully. But now it's. I. I'm. I mean, obviously everyone knows my business now, so there's no hiding anything, but. Yeah, it's just I try to be very open and honest about what I'm looking for.

[Michelle Buteau]

Does the show in any way or the conversations you had with Megan about having kids? Like, if you and. I don't know if you're looking, but if you, like, were to meet someone and decide that you want to spend, you know, a lifetime with them, do you feel like you're more open to having more children or. Or not based off of this experience or Luca in general?

[Jordan]

Yeah. So I don't know if I'd want more of my own, but I feel very strongly about, like, adopting or fostering because there's just tons of kids in need, so I, like, already have a little piece of me. So.

[Michelle Buteau]

But what if you, you know, like. Like with the Megan situation.

[Jordan]

So if I meet someone that's like.

[Michelle Buteau]

And she's just like, listen, like, I really want to have at least two.

[Jordan]

I'm not hard to convince, so I'll be honest.

[Michelle Buteau]

So it's not your thing, but you're not like a.

[Jordan]

So I would love to have another kid. It's just, again, like, I don't want to have a kid out of, like, selfishness. I want it to be obviously, like, a collective agreement, something that's, like, planned this go around.

[Michelle Buteau]

So, I mean, it's interesting because obviously you've spoken so glowingly about your son and, And. And the joy he brings to your life. But it sounds like, like, you. Like, you said, he wasn't planned. How old were you at the time when you had him?

[Jordan]

I was, like, 25.

[Michelle Buteau]

For a young man, it's a pretty scary time. Like, how well did you. Did you even know his mom that well?

[Jordan]

Not very well. I mean, we probably were dating, like, three or four months when she was younger.

[Michelle Buteau]

So like, what was, what was that like? I mean, that must have been a fairly nerve wracking experience.

[Jordan]

You know, I guess you'd think that, but I just, I was so fortunate in my career. Like, I skipped college, I just went straight into. I was a mechanic for a long time. Was just making really good money. I've just always been like kind of a penny pincher. And I just felt so when she told me, it was like, all right, well, like, let's do this, you know? So I just again, was so fortunate that maybe that was just my mindset, but I was never scared or whatever. I was just like, all right, we're doing this.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And how old was he when you found out he had diabetes?

[Jordan]

He was 2 when he was diagnosed. Yeah.

[Megan]

Okay. Wow.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And how is he today?

[Jordan]

He's amazing. Yeah, he's doing so good. Thank you.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Are you going to show him the show?

[Jordan]

Not yet. Too many potty words in there. But I would love for him to see when he's older.

[Michelle Buteau]

How did you find out? Did you just. Random phone call. Were you dating?

[Jordan]

Yeah, that was kind of. I mean, it was like a really rocky relationship. And she just called me and say, hey, like, I took a pregnancy test and it's positive. And it's like, okay, like, I don't know what we do from here, but let's figure it out.

[Michelle Buteau]

So you're. Right away, you're just like offering her whatever support she needs?

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, 100%. I said, let's at least try, you know, let's try to make this work.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And what was your parents reaction?

[Jordan]

Were they like, my parents are very conservative people and they were like, you need to get married to her. And I said, I'm okay. I said, I'm good. Good on that. We'll give this, we'll give this a go. Yeah, no, his mom.

[Michelle Buteau]

I appreciate that just because, like, you know, there's always like a lot of conversations that can be polarizing around this topic. But like, as a man, it's great that you, you did your part to make like she had your support because I think a lot of times women in those positions can feel very alone and very isolated, especially if they don't have a relationship or rapport with the guy they got pregnant with. And they really feel like they're being told like they're on an island.

[Jordan]

I don't want you to put me on a pedestal because I definitely, if I could have got a do like a redo. I did not treat her the way I should have. I was very like, oh, like you got pregnant. Like this is your responsibility. A very immature mindset. You know, one time she asked me to rub her feet and I told her no going back. Like terrible. Right. But I try to be big on accountability and again, I was, I was a young man. I've made a million mistakes. I'm going to make a million more. But I really wish I could have treated her just a lot better.

[Michelle Buteau]

I appreciate the self awareness and thanks for being so honest about that. But I, you know, and again, not, I'm not trying to put you on a pedestal, but I just think there's a lot of times in those situations, you know, there's one thing to not get a foot rub and there's another thing to just be like, I'm literally alone and I don't know how to. You know, there are a lot of women out there who may want to move forward and have this child but truly feel like they can't, you know, and they don't have the means to do that.

[Jordan]

And yeah, I don't know, maybe I'm just too self critical sometimes. But yeah, I just, but yeah, sure.

[Michelle Buteau]

Rub her feet next time.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I'm gonna step it up. We're not like that.

[Megan]

But I got.

[Jordan]

Luke has done that. I should say. No, we're just, we're strictly friends now.

[Ryan Seacrest]

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[Michelle Buteau]

What is it like when you guys go from the pods? I think the weirdest part and I think a lot of people's favorite part of love is blind. Is that vacation or whatever. Whatever you want to call it, where you're immediately thrusted in to living together. To living together. And there's, like, you know, there's nerves. There's probably a lot of sexual tension. It's like, should we fuck?

[Jordan]

I don't know.

[Michelle Buteau]

Is it weird if we do? Like, I don't. Like, what? What. How did you guys transition from having this incredible amount of rapport through the pods and these conversations where you open up in ways you've never opened up before, but simultaneously feeling like, I don't. I just met you yesterday. How did you guys navigate that. That kind of weirdness?

[Megan]

I thought it was pretty seamless. I mean, I think that first day or night in Baja, like, of course it's a little awkward, but you're also getting used to, like, a camera crew around you. And, like, I think that was the biggest adjustment. Cause, like, we're trying to have these, like, you know, intimate moments. Not even intimate moments, but just, like, moments snuggling or whatever. Yeah.

[Jordan]

And there's a camera.

[Megan]

Yeah. And, like, so I think that was the. Probably the biggest adjustment.

[Jordan]

We were trying to outsmart him one time. We're like, oh, let's just say we're getting in the pool. So they take the mics off of us, and then a whole boom comes out. Yeah, we were just like, if we take our mics off, then what are they gonna do? Well, they're gonna get the audio guy with the boom.

[Megan]

Yeah. No, but I didn't think it, like. I thought it was pretty.

[Jordan]

No. Yeah. I think it was very, like, natural and organic. Yeah. Just like she said. Seamless, for sure.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And I know that y' all are prompted to have the, like, sex conversation in the po. Guess going into your. What are they. What are we calling it? Baja vacation? Honeymoon.

[Megan]

Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Going into Baja. Like, were y' all on the same page of, like, hey, we're going to sleep in the same bed?

[Jordan]

Or she. Yeah, she asked me in the pause. She's like, are we going to Constimate?

[Megan]

Consummate.

[Jordan]

Isn't that what you said?

[Megan]

Consummate.

[Jordan]

Consummate. Whatever. But I said, I don't even know what that word means.

[Megan]

Consummate.

[Jordan]

She said, are we going to have sex? I was like, yeah. I said, if you're down, please. I've been like, yeah, around. Whatever. How many dudes? Just the whole time? No phone or radio? No. Just.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Did y' all become, like, friends with the cameraman? Or Mike.

[Megan]

Guys.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Because you're just like, hey, Todd.

[Jordan]

Because we, you know, a crew. So especially when we were in Denver, we had, like, an assigned crew.

[Ryan Seacrest]

We got.

[Jordan]

We got pretty close to them.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

I suppose it's not too much different than meeting someone long distance and having a lot of conversations on the phone. I mean, you will. You would know what they look like, right?

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

No, it wasn't. It wasn't weird for me.

[Megan]

I think just the time frame.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, the time frame is pretty accelerated.

[Ryan Seacrest]

How long is it in total again?

[Megan]

It's like we're in pods for 10 days. 10 days. And then, you know, Baja's a week, and then real life is four weeks. Four. Four and a half weeks. It's crazy. Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

So obviously back to your guys's main storyline. The, you know, lifestyles. Let's just call it. I'm. I guess I'm just. Well, first of all, what kind of car do you drive?

[Megan]

Why is this such a big deal?

[Michelle Buteau]

Because you guys made it a big deal.

[Megan]

I swear.

[Jordan]

They definitely clipped it to be a big deal.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I think I asked.

[Megan]

And that's.

[Jordan]

It was like an. Our inside joke, you know, and they turned it into something where we would just, like, say to make it laugh. Right. And you would be like. You would tickle her a little bit.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Megan]

That was definitely like.

[Jordan]

They spun that hard.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Marrying someone on our team was like, it's a cyber truck for sure.

[Jordan]

They didn't even have cybertrucks at that time. That's how long it was.

[Megan]

Like, it's not even that cool. I don't even know why it's. I think it was just one of those things. Like, in my mind, I was like, I just don't even want to say because I. Despite what's being shown and what people are talking about, like, oh, she just talks about money all the time. I'm like. I thought I was going into it being very conscious about, like, if anything, I want to, like, hold that close to my chest. And, yeah. The way they spun it obviously was not the case.

[Jordan]

If you would have just said the kind of car it would have been, it just would have blown over.

[Megan]

True. Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It was like the mystery.

[Megan]

It's only. It's a Range Rover. Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's like the mystery behind this Range Rover.

[Megan]

Yeah. Not a big deal, but it was.

[Ryan Seacrest]

A fun game for everyone to try to figure out. Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

No.

[Jordan]

100%, that's. That's what it was to us. It was literally just a game, nothing more. I wasn't trying to, you know, figure out how much money she had that it was never truly about the money. I don't think we really. I didn't find out about like the money money until we were in Mexico. I think money money.

[Michelle Buteau]

And when you say money money, like are we rich?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Or like are we, are we rich.

[Megan]

We as I did. Well, I mean I, I'm not like you know, billionaire rich, but.

[Jordan]

Oh well that leaves one, just one, one level under.

[Megan]

No, I mean I've, I'm married, I'm proud of what I've done. It's, I'm, it's certainly not like can't work the rest of my life rich but.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And you're self made.

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah, pretty incredible. Which is, there's a lot of funny commentary too like oh her, her dad died and she took over his business. I'm like my, my dad was not like he had his own marketing thing but like one I don't never did marketing to. Never took over that business.

[Michelle Buteau]

What did you do? How did you make your millions?

[Megan]

Oil and gas? Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

There's money in oil and gas company. Everyone needs it.

[Michelle Buteau]

How does one get into oil and gas?

[Megan]

So I had just straight out of college my, I was like fishing my resume out to all my friends, parents and one of my friends in Denver, her dad was an exec at a company there. So he got me in as an admin and then I just worked my way up and like two years into being at the first company I got recruited over to a startup. So I had equity in the company which that was the game changer because like truthfully, I mean my salary was never anything, anything sizable.

[Michelle Buteau]

So the startup got bought out?

[Megan]

Yeah, twice. So we basically we would flip oil and gas assets like you would a house. So we'd go in, you know, buy or lease up some land, drill a couple holes, prove that there's oil there and then you know, your shells or Exxons or you know, in our case Devin, they came in and bought the whole company. So.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And then what is it that you do now?

[Megan]

Yeah, so during the show I was working on starting like a health and wellness business here in la.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Oh yeah, because you have a place.

[Megan]

Yeah, I had a place.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You sold it?

[Megan]

Yeah. So but then I moved back to Denver and I just, it was like way too much. So my partners are still running with it, but I've stepped away.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And do you think you'll find yourself back in it at some point or are you like fully, you're fully removed?

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, I Thought it was a really interesting. I was fascinated with your guys relationship. Obviously as individuals, it was easy to root for you both. And as a couple, it was nice to root for. But like, you know, I am curious just because like, I think there's a lot of conversations around how your relationship was portrayed. You know, as a woman, you were independently successful, millionaire.

[Megan]

And.

[Michelle Buteau]

But like, again, I don't know what's true or what was. Narratives were pushed. But as a viewer and as a fan, like, I appreciate you guys opening up, but, you know, it almost seemed like you talked a lot about your money in a way that might make Jordan feel a certain way. And it was almost as if you talked about her money in a way that would make her feel a certain type of way. Like you almost, you know, like, you know, as a viewer and as a fan, I'm thinking like, why can't they work past this? Like, why, why are both of them making it such a big deal or a point of insecurity? Does that, does that make sense for me?

[Megan]

I don't think it was like the money thing, like, and that's where even, like you're saying as a viewer, that's how it came off. And I think that's where I'm getting a little frustrated. I think it was just more the lifestyle things in general. But I know it's kind of like convoluted then because like having money, it's allowed me to have the lifestyle that I live.

[Jordan]

So I never thought it was about the money. Right. I think we talked about money a couple of times and then we, we were like, we were talking to prenup attorneys and stuff. So everyone knew exactly how much money everyone had. But I think for me and for Megan, it came out to like time. Like, I just didn't have the time that she need. Nothing wrong with that. Totally fine. But I just, I was just grinding the entire time and then so I, I would love to play golf or I would love to play tennis. It's just like with my, with how my life is structured being a single parent, it was not, I, I, there was no time for me to do that.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

So it's almost as if like you were, you know, after selling or being a part of some kind of buyout like you were. Yeah, you can almost be like on like semi retirement mode. Is that kind of where you were at when you went on the show?

[Megan]

A little bit. I mean, I was, I, it's given me the flexibility to do what I want. So I was working on starting that business and that, you know, again, my partner's running with that. I'm not in it any longer, but, yeah, it's given me the flexibility.

[Michelle Buteau]

Well, I just. I mean, again, like, I. I'm trying to be like, obviously, like, the time has passed. You guys aren't in a relationship. You are. Well, you're not in a relationship together. You're in a relationship with someone else. So I want to be respectful to all that because it's not like, I'm guessing, like, no regrets, but.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Unless.

[Megan]

No. Yeah, but I think, like. And this is where, you know, I think had I been 110% and gone through with it, like, I would have easily been like, fuck yeah, quit your job. Like, let's do this. I'll cover us until we can both get there.

[Jordan]

That was never a conversation, by the way. I think I never. I never wanted to be a sugar baby. I never wanted any. I've. Like, I.

[Megan]

Like, no. And I knew that about you, but I'm saying, like, if it came down to it, like, I would have no issue doing that.

[Michelle Buteau]

I mean, how much did you want to travel?

[Megan]

Not even that much. But I think that was like, you know, there was an Italy trip on the forefront when, like, we were speaking about it. Yeah. And, like, a few other things. And it was like he couldn't come and respectfully so, because he couldn't, you know, he took three weeks off for the pods and whatever, and like, he just didn't have any time. But I think that was like, you know, I get it. But it was also a little bit of a bummer because I'm like, man, like, here I'm doing this. I want my husband to be able to come travel with me and do all the things. And I've been doing all these things alone for all these years. And that's what I want in a husband and in a partner. And I think that was one of, at least on my end, one of our incompatibilities because, yeah, I did want somebody to do a lot of those things with and not just a roommate, like a warm body to be come home to at the end of the night.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And how did you meet your current boyfriend?

[Megan]

How did you meet him? Yeah, so his friend. We both attended this wellness retreat called the Hoffman Institute or Hoffman Process. So I was on a week with his best friend. And, you know, I was living in LA at the time. And then after the show, I moved back to Denver. So I moved back to Denver June of 24. So it was like two months after we wrapped, and I think just through, you know, you end up following everybody from your week on Instagram. And so he reached out and was like, hey, it looks like you're back in Denver. Can't remember if you're single or married or whatever, but if you're single, I'd love to introduce you to my best friend. Um, I was, like, short, and then.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Three months later got pregnant. Right? Is that what you said?

[Megan]

Yes. We met the end of July, which, this is kind of crazy talk about universe. We met at the end of July, and the same day we met a year later is when our son was born. That is true.

[Michelle Buteau]

How did it feel when you found out she had a child?

[Jordan]

I was just. I mean, I truly. I mean, we really didn't speak for, like, a year, so I was just. I wasn't even trying to pry at her business. I just was hearing all these rumors circulating, and I was like, I just want her to be aware of this stuff. And then. Then we just had a conversation. It was. I felt. No. I was like, yeah, this is like, I'm happy for you. I knew she wanted to be a mom, but there was no disdain or. I wasn't. There was no. My feelings are I'm totally happy, healthy, and thriving, you know?

[Ryan Seacrest]

And were the rumors, like, around town, or was this.

[Jordan]

Yeah, so I was hearing the rumors around town. I didn't feel the need to reach out until I got this Instagram message with these. This person with very, like, intimate details. And I was like, that's kind of weird. So that's when I had sent her a text.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And then, I guess, had you felt the need to, like, let Jordan know before he reached out to you?

[Megan]

Yeah. So it was always on my radar. But I think the timing thing was tricky because I was like, you know, I don't. I don't want to tell him too far in advance because I, Like, I was keeping it very close to my chest, and, like, I didn't want. I didn't want that getting out, you know, further with the other additional Pod Squad people.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, it's definitely tricky.

[Megan]

And do I tell him when I'm pregnant? Do I. I don't know. Like, it was a weird.

[Jordan]

Were you gonna wait till the reunion, though?

[Megan]

Huh?

[Jordan]

Were you gonna wait till the reunion?

[Megan]

Tell me.

[Jordan]

No.

[Megan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Thank God.

[Megan]

No. But even, like, production, they were like. Because I. I was adamant, like, I want to tell him before. Of course. They're like, you know, no, wait.

[Jordan]

Oh, God. That would have been bad for everybody, I think.

[Megan]

Yeah. No way. And he and I have always been very. Like, we did have one time on filming where, like, I kind of blindsided him with a conversation. And ever since then, we both have been very, like, hey, let's not do that again. But, yeah, so I was always gonna tell him, but the timing thing was hard because, like, I mean, even, like, I was a little superstitious, like, I had a good pregnancy, but even the birth, I'm like, God forbid anything happens, and, like, this baby doesn't come safely or, you know, whatever. I think there was just a lot of weird stuff. So first and foremost was getting baby here healthy. And then, you know, that was two months or. Yeah, probably two months before this was airing. Did.

[Ryan Seacrest]

When you found out you were having a boy, did Jordan Luca ever cross your mind?

[Megan]

I don't know if I would. I don't know.

[Ryan Seacrest]

No genuine question. And how did your current boyfriend. Does he have a name?

[Megan]

Paul. Okay.

[Ryan Seacrest]

How does Paul. How did Paul feel about you being like, hey, there's this person I have to call to, like, let him know about this?

[Megan]

Yeah, no, I mean, he's. I've been very transparent with him from the start, and, you know, he's been super supportive of everything. And, you know, he was actually the one encouraging me, like, hey, have you told Jordan? Have you told Jordan? When are you telling Jordan? And I'm like, I don't. Like, I'm again trying to figure out when is the right time. So, yeah, if anything, Paul was the one kind of pushing me to, like, do it sooner.

[Michelle Buteau]

What did you think Megan's reasons were for ending the relationship?

[Jordan]

I just think it was the time, like, I think she just needed me to be more available, and that wasn't possible at that current stage of life. And again, nothing wrong with that. Me and Megan talk a lot, and it's like she had to make the hard decision to end things. But in turn, that was the right decision for my family in the long run, and same for her. So there are no right or wrong answers in this. What I definitely didn't want her to do is to say yes and then not actually want to get married. And then we dragged my son through a divorce a year later. That was. I would have much rather, you know, what. What actually happened, happened than for her to go through with a marriage. She. She wasn't.

[Michelle Buteau]

Were you planning on saying yes?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I'm a chronic underthinker. She checks my boxes. So I think that's, like the.

[Megan]

And I'm the opposite. I overthink everything.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I Was like, she checks my boxes. Like, let's. I'm there. Yeah.

[Megan]

But I think, like, Jordan. And this is even the term, like, when we throw around lifestyle, I think that's getting a little convoluted to me.

[Jordan]

Like, I think it wasn't lifestyle. Like, I think. No, it's literally was. Because at that time, I was just so buried in work and then fatherhood and then, you know, these crazy. Like, the filming schedule is just insane. So I just, like, wasn't myself. I was just kind of just doing my own thing out of, like, survival mode, essentially.

[Michelle Buteau]

Do you think in a way, maybe both of your. Maybe stubbornness is the word. I don't know. Of. Of not finding compromise on that topic was almost like a. Not a projection, but like your kind of inner voice maybe saying, this is great, but maybe this isn't my person. Because I say that because I feel like it's like, maybe he doesn't go to Italy, or maybe you're busy right now, but if this is your person, you figure it out.

[Megan]

And I think that's where that got hard for me because, like Jordan said during filming, like, on camera, you know, it's. I feel like sometimes producers even had to, like, push us, like, hey, you guys need to talk a little bit more. And then when we had a day off camera that, like, he was very quiet. Then I was like, oh, man.

[Jordan]

Like, she's not my normal self.

[Megan]

Right. And this is where. And this is where I think it's again, like, circumstance, because Jordan's telling me, like, that's not who I am. That's not. Because I was worried, like, oh, shit, I'm about to marry this guy in 10 days. And, like, we can't even have a day alone where we're having fun and laughing and, you know, it doesn't always need to be conversation, but at least, like, you know, shoot the. A little. Especially with Jordan, who is so funny. And, like, I just saw this different side of him.

[Jordan]

I mean, I was down bad, though.

[Megan]

Yeah. And he was saying, like, you know, I'm. I'm. I think I was a little harsh on him for not giving him the benefit of the doubt. But it's like, you're. You're about to get married in 10 days. And, like, do I trust his word that, like, this is not who he is or, like, because his actions are showing a little bit differently?

[Michelle Buteau]

And, like, that was the trippiest part about this show is kind of nuanced moments in a relationship. Like that scene where you were down bad and you were kind of like, hey, you know, like, why don't we talk about our days? We were talking about on the show. Like, we had a moment like that when Natalie moved across the country in with me. We sometimes. A lot of times as guys, I'm a bit introverted at 2 where I'm.

[Jordan]

Just like, well, I don't know if you've ever worked a job you hate, but, like, the last thing I want to do after a long day of getting my teeth kicked in is talk about it. I think guys kind of decompress on the car ride home. And then I don't want to, like, be. I don't want to open that can.

[Michelle Buteau]

Of worms or even a job you love. It's like, I just want to just sit in silence.

[Megan]

Yeah. You know, and I get that. And. But I think it was like she.

[Jordan]

Had probably had no idea what I did, period. I just never talked about it. Zero. I just was like, yeah, fix shit. She's like, what does that even mean?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Like, I can't talk about it.

[Jordan]

Is he a drug dealer? Yeah, it was. I don't. Yeah. My last job was no.

[Megan]

And I, Like, I've been in that at the oil and gas company. I was in that nine to five grind. And I was the same. Like, I would want to come home and like. Like, during the week is. Oh, please. You said nine to five grind. I was.

[Jordan]

That's not a grind. But I'm sorry.

[Megan]

Okay. Well, I was in that life where I would come home and, like, to your point, I wouldn't want to. But, like, when we have a whole day together, you know, and we. We did all the things. We went to get our nails done, we went out to lunch, we went to Top golf. And it was like, parts of it for me were awkward. And I'm like, this isn't how I should be feeling 10 days before I'm about to marry this person. And sure, like, you know, we are still fresh in the relationship, but, like, that was the first, like, yikes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Is it. Does it feel like this whole, like the, you know, the 10 days in the pod week in whatever hotel, and then three weeks in your city. Does it almost feel like a simulated year of a relationship where, like, the pods of the honeymoon phase because you. You're the meeting in the pods and not seeing them, like, you're. You're just always on. You have a singular focus. You have no distraction. It's just easy to be chatty for eight hours because, like, you can't see this person and like. And then all of a sudden, like, you, you know, go on the vacation and now you're living with each other in your hometown for three weeks to your point where it's just like, I don't know, what the fuck do we have left to talk about? We talked in the Ponds for like, I don't fuck. And does it almost. Was there. Is there a comedown in that regard where you're just like. There's a lot of, like, you're not the person I met in the pods.

[Megan]

Yeah, well, and I think it's hard, too, because, like, part of me, too, like, I felt like, you know, Jordan was able to give me all of himself in the pods. And then when we got into real life, that's not the case. But then it's like, even production, you know, they're the ones. Well, maybe a combination, but, like, I think they're the ones that, like, planning all these things. And so it's like, how do I even really know? Like, does Jordan. Does he plan dates? Are we gonna go on nice dinners? Like, are we gonna do the things? And so I think I felt a little bit like I'm a big believer that I always wanna feel like my partner. We're dating whether we're two weeks in or 20 years in, and I still wanna be courted and, you know, romanticize a little bit. And I just. I was having a hard time knowing if that was the case. It's valid.

[Michelle Buteau]

Valid. What made you decide to end it before going to the altar?

[Megan]

I mean, I think obvious reasons. I mean, what you don't see. I think our breakup, like, on camera, kind of came a little out of the blue. I mean, I know we had the closet conversation.

[Jordan]

Well, it was like a. The week before you're supposed to get married, it's supposed to be like a black week. You're not really supposed to see each other. But I think they knew. Like, everyone was like. Because I think one day she was in, and then I would kind of be like, well, you weren't in yesterday, so now I'm not in. And then we were kind of flippy, floppy. So we waited till, like, the last second to call it off. But we had committed not to leave each other at the altar because my son was going to be there. And we were just like.

[Megan]

And we had many conversations that week leading up to it, like.

[Jordan]

And, yeah, we don't mean to disappoint the viewers, but, like, this is. This was real. This is our real lives. Like, our real feelings. And again, like, Stability is very important for Luca and Megan and our whole family. So we just didn't want to, like, not. Not to let everyone down. But we, like, we didn't want to be on stage.

[Megan]

Yeah. And we had. We had conversations too, like, man, do we. Do we do that? Like, keep Luke at home, but go up there and we both mutually say no or whatever. But ultimately, like, I. Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Did you have to fight for your ability to honor that agreement that you had?

[Megan]

Yes and no. I mean, I think because at the.

[Ryan Seacrest]

End of the day, there's still a TV show.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

I think everyone understands. There's a lot of times people are like, I'm not gonna do that. And then there are people who are very good at convincing you to people.

[Megan]

Producers.

[Jordan]

We love our production team.

[Megan]

No, they were amazing, and I think it was a very unique situation with Luca, and I think they were very respectful of that.

[Michelle Buteau]

It's good to hear. I mean, a lot of times you don't hear that.

[Megan]

Yeah. No. Because it's unprecedented, especially in Love is Mine.

[Jordan]

So I think Love is Mine history.

[Megan]

Yeah. They were very supportive and, like, totally understood.

[Michelle Buteau]

How has being a mom changed your perspective on, I guess, life?

[Megan]

Yeah, I mean, I think it's taught me how to be a lot more selfless and just, like, it's. Yeah. It's no longer about me.

[Michelle Buteau]

Are you taking less vacations?

[Megan]

I mean, he's still so fresh. Like, he's still so little. But we did. He came out, like, he came out to LA with us for the reunion, which was fun. And then we have a few trips coming up here, so. Yeah, we're excited.

[Michelle Buteau]

You guys were only dating for, like, three months before you. Yeah. And what was that experience? Like, how did you guys navigate that?

[Megan]

Yeah, so we. I mean, Paul and I, like, it was kind of one of those things when, you know, you know, and so, like, pretty immediately and especially so fresh off the love is blind thing. Like, having all those questions in your arsenal and, like, you know, I wasn't fucking around anymore. Like, I. If somebody wasn't my person, I was like, all right, you know, if you can't answer these or be emotionally available or we're not aligned in X, Y and Z, you know, move on. Because I, you know, I. I do want to be married. And. Yeah. So Paul and I met, and we had talked about kids, and I had had multiple doctors in the past tell me that I would have a hard time getting pregnant naturally. And so I think we were just a little more carefree.

[Michelle Buteau]

Reckless.

[Megan]

Yeah. Reckless.

[Michelle Buteau]

Wait, did he give you the what?

[Ryan Seacrest]

The.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you said this. You got me.

[Megan]

No, but we both. Straight to that.

[Michelle Buteau]

Vasectomy.

[Megan]

Yeah, we both were. You know, kids were on the radar for sure. So.

[Michelle Buteau]

Vasectomy.

[Jordan]

Vasectomy. You're saying italicized.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You're putting the little.

[Jordan]

I.

[Michelle Buteau]

Well, it's an important operation, so I want to give it its emphasis.

[Megan]

Yeah. No, so I think it happened a little more quickly than we were planning, but we were planning. Okay, so.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And fans are suspecting that maybe you called the paparazzi on yourself.

[Megan]

Oh, my God. I did not. Okay. One, I didn't know there was paparazzi in Denver. Yeah. Two, I think I would have looked a lot cuter because some of those shots were a little trolly.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's what we always say. We're like, if we're gonna call the paparazzi on herself, we're gonna be looking good. We're not even.

[Jordan]

Set that up. There's a number to call.

[Megan]

Or at the end of the day.

[Michelle Buteau]

Like, I mean, a public in LA would. Would know how to facilitate something like that. And, like, in LA or new, you know, there. There are places where they'll.

[Megan]

No, but I mean, I wanted to share that news myself on the reunion. And, like, that honestly, like, pissed me off a little bit that they took that away from me. And there was, you know, a couple reality bloggers or I don't know what you call them.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What do we call them?

[Megan]

You know who I'm talking about?

[Ryan Seacrest]

Irrelevant.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah.

[Megan]

They. They broke it originally, and then, like, after the fact it got out or somebody obviously said it was me, but, yeah, I mean, that annoyed me.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that would be scary.

[Megan]

I mean, it's scary. And that's my news to share.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Totally.

[Michelle Buteau]

Were you nervous about knowing how the season unfolded between the two of you and just the narrative and the conversations about having kids or not having kids, and your one line when you broke up, which is like, I'm not sure if I'll ever want to be or. Or be able to be a mother. Were you worried about how fans would react at all to finding out you were a mom, or was it just not even a concern?

[Megan]

No, I mean, people are gonna say what they're gonna say, and, like. Yeah, I think that was, like, heartbreaking for me to watch back. It wasn't that I was questioning if I ever wanted to be. I think it just. In that moment, you know, you had so many ups and downs, and it was so emotional, and I'm like, man, like, I don't Know, like, this is tough, but I think deep down I knew I was always wanted to be a mom.

[Ryan Seacrest]

So did you and Paul have a conversation about, you know, what like sharing your son would look like now that you have kind of eyes on you?

[Megan]

Yeah, I mean we're still trying to navigate that. I mean the pictures we shared at the reunion, he was, you know, he was a pretty fresh newborn and he even looks like a different kid now. And I'd be curious to hear your guys take.

[Michelle Buteau]

First year we stopped, we were pretty liberal because it was just like fun being parents. And after a year we tried to avoid showing her face.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And they do. I mean the baby stage, they change so much now that who she is now I think is who she is gonna look like for a minute. So that's kind of just gets weird.

[Michelle Buteau]

When they mean well. But people come up and yeah, that's weird.

[Megan]

Like eh. It's River. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yikes. Yeah. No way.

[Michelle Buteau]

But yeah, I mean it's tough because you want to. You're excited, you want to, you know, you want to show people. So like there's no right or wrong. It's just a personal preference. But yeah, we've. We've gotten a little bit more conservative with it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

We. I mean, we obviously still share our lives. We. I want to still show her.

[Megan]

So we do the back of her head.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Back of her head and types of things, which works out totally fine.

[Megan]

And so it's.

[Michelle Buteau]

What's dating look like for you these days?

[Jordan]

It's casual, man. It's just been, I don't know, like I've. I think it's like a personal flaw right now. But I'm very. I'm like, oh, all these people all of a sudden want to date me and I'm like, I've been the same guys I was my entire life. So it's kind of like left a bad taste in my mouth. But I think that's just something I need to work on personally.

[Michelle Buteau]

Bad taste how?

[Jordan]

Just like, I just think I'm being just too paranoid for no reason. That.

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't know if you could be too paranoid.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, maybe. I don't know. I just. I'm like, oh, this is.

[Michelle Buteau]

I think, well, paranoid maybe is the wrong word. I think it's good to be careful. Yeah. Being in the public eye. And I definitely think you can't be too safe online dating as a public figure. And I think, yeah, there's just a lot of people who.

[Jordan]

Well, that's the thing. I'm not. I'm not doing any online dating. I've been off the dating apps for a long time.

[Michelle Buteau]

Not even online dating or something in your DMs or just, like, meeting people out. It's just, you know, like, I think people most. I think 99 of people mean well. They just get weird.

[Ryan Seacrest]

For example, Joe's current girlfriend we saw, did her own press, for which, you know, no comment is interesting.

[Jordan]

I love Avery, but it's all good.

[Michelle Buteau]

Have you met her?

[Megan]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean, I love everybody, so.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, sure, but.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And we love everybody, too.

[Michelle Buteau]

And we love everybody, too.

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But, like, that might be something that, like, me personally would maybe want to stay away from. Is like, my significant other who does not have a bone in the fight to, like, start doing their own press, talking about other people that I was on a show with. It might just, like, you know, make me feel unsafe in a sort of way. My personal opinion. We did have someone call in to our show yesterday, and they said they thought you should be the Bachelor.

[Megan]

Oh, there you go. Yeah.

[Jordan]

I don't know. I've heard. I've seen. I've seen the articles, so I don't know about. I mean, you were on the Bachelor, right?

[Michelle Buteau]

Yes.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Yeah, but I told her to slide into your dm, so maybe. I don't know.

[Jordan]

Well, I don't read the DMs. I'm not a good place.

[Michelle Buteau]

I mean, interestingly enough, like, listen, I know, you know, like, you are in a unique position as someone who is a father who has no immediate plans to have more children. How old are you?

[Jordan]

Just turned 31.

[Michelle Buteau]

You're an incredibly young man.

[Jordan]

Ish.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

You've had a vasectomy.

[Jordan]

That's what they say word around town.

[Michelle Buteau]

But you are, as long as you're up front, like, in a really unique position to, like, really settle into a. Like a. A fun boy era.

[Jordan]

Oh, shucks. Yeah. I feel like I'm too old for that. My back hurts already just from sleeping.

[Michelle Buteau]

Too old. 31.

[Jordan]

Yeah. No, I just want to be, like, intentional with what I do and my actions.

[Ryan Seacrest]

A good person.

[Jordan]

No, definitely. No, I'm okay. I'm a law abiding citizen.

[Michelle Buteau]

So you want to. But. Yeah. So, like, are you. So it sounds like you. You would. You would ideally like to find a committed relationship right now.

[Jordan]

It's so hard to say. I just think I don't want to introduce anyone to my son at the moment. I think, like, what I put him through because again, I know Megan's been catching heat for that. I was the one that introduced him to this. Luca's mom didn't have anything to do with that. It was just. It was 100% me.

[Michelle Buteau]

Can't you date someone and just be like, hey, listen, just up front, I have a kid, but, like, you're not.

[Jordan]

Meeting him for sure. You know, like, you.

[Michelle Buteau]

You might be, but I am very protective over that. It's not personal, and I don't want you to make it a thing. And, like, if someone can respect that, and if not, that'll tell you.

[Jordan]

Yeah, but I just think that's, like. That's the bridge between, like, casual dating and being in a serious relationship is introducing my son. You know, it's like, I wouldn't introduce my son to someone I wouldn't consider a serious relationship. So it's just.

[Megan]

I don't know. I think it's funny to see the commentary online, too, about people like, oh, she begged to meet his son and whatever. And, like, sure, I think what you don't see. So I was very adamant that I wanted to meet Luca's mom before I met Luca just so she could get comfortable. Like, you know, Jordan said she didn't sign up for this. This is crazy. It's fast. So I wanted her to be comfortable with me. And I think my frustration was that those. That timeframe kept getting pushed, and before we knew it, we were, like, you know, two weeks into Denver or real life.

[Jordan]

Yeah, because we were, like, teetering. Like, do we include him in the show? And stuff? And then his mom, like, one day would be like, I don't see the harm. And then, you know, obviously, we're just trying to protect him. So at the end of the day, we told production, like, hey, it's gonna really end up with Luca's mom. And she said, I don't want to do this. I don't want him in there. And we all said, okay, cool. We like that. Let's do that. So it was just, like, a lot of prolonging introducing him. And obviously, it's like, that's a huge commitment for Megan to just step into that. You know that.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah, No, I don't want to call.

[Jordan]

It, like, a role or whatever, but, yeah, we needed. I needed Megan to experience that because that's fair to her. Right.

[Megan]

And same with Luca. Like, I would want Luca. I mean, I didn't think this would be the case, but God forbid, he was like, I don't like her.

[Michelle Buteau]

Like, no, it makes it, like, again, from a love is blind standpoint, it makes total sense that you guys had to Make. I mean, in Luca included, but all aspects of your life, you had to make a lot of, like, exceptions to the rule because, like, this whole experiment was an exception to the rule. I am curious, like, for you, do you think Not. Not in any way putting anything on Megan? Because again, it's a. More the experiment you guys signed up for. Like, it's like, to your point, it was your choice. Made a lot of sense for the both of you. Yeah. Do you think to that regard, that experience affected you? Because I guess, you know, because there's a lot of single parents out here listening to the show, and I. And it's. Imagine a very sensitive topic when it comes to dating. How do I handle this? What's the best way? What's the wrong way? And you referenced on the show just, like, I think that what worried you the most or bothered you is just how impressionable, you know, Luca is. Like, if you're dating, though, let's say, like, you're just dating. You meet someone, you're casual, you're like, hey, I'm just very cautious about my son. But you feel like it's going somewhere. You like this person. Couldn't they just meet this person as, like, a friend without you putting any. Like.

[Jordan]

See, I just like to be super transparent with my son. That's just how I lead. I don't. I feel like that'd be like a white lie. I wouldn't want to.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Because, I mean, and then you're just. That's just like the. You're just breaking down that wall. Then. Then you're just opening the door to, hey, here's my other friend. That. She's not my friend anymore. Here's my new friend. And I just don't want to do that. And it's just. I'm just overly protective and I want to stay that way.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Now, the comments that Mike made about Luca. Yeah, I know. You've said you've forgiven him or whatever. How did you forgive him? I guess I asked.

[Michelle Buteau]

Can you remind me what those were?

[Ryan Seacrest]

He basically said, like, she's a common.

[Jordan]

Misconception in the diabetic, like, community. Like, if you're not exposed to it a lot, that people aren't aware that there's two types of diabetes. So a lot of the time people are like, oh, your kid has diabetes. You should feed them healthier.

[Michelle Buteau]

You fed him too much sugar and you made him.

[Jordan]

Exactly. It's like, obviously his pancreas just took a shit due to genetics. Not anything anyone did. He just got the car or the hand he didn't destroy.

[Michelle Buteau]

So you imply that you were just like going to Dairy Queen every day for Dairy Queen?

[Jordan]

Pretty much.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And I guess me being a mom, I feel like I am anyone who says anything about my kid, I'm like, will come.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Really?

[Jordan]

Again, I wish, I wish she could have told me that earlier just so we could have processed it a little like had a little more time to process it. But I just got completely blindsided. We're doing press in LA and I had three back to back reporters be like, what do you think about Mike's comments? I was like, what comments? I've been hanging out with him for.

[Megan]

Like he texted me and he was like, did Mike say anything?

[Jordan]

And I, I like, because yeah, everyone thought we pre screened the show. So I was just, I was like, what comments are you guys talking about? No one would tell me. And it was driving me fucking crazy.

[Megan]

And I thought like, cause Mike would make like the subtle, you know, you're making the wrong decision. And especially like that breakup conversation. And I was like like, what aren't you telling me? Like, but yeah, I mean now watching it after the fact, he did throw some little his.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Do you want to dance at the.

[Jordan]

Oh, I did see that.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

No, crazy. Do you regret your decision? Crazy.

[Megan]

Too crazy.

[Michelle Buteau]

He's got to believe in himself, you know.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Nothing wrong.

[Jordan]

Believe in yourself.

[Ryan Seacrest]

But I guess what was that conversation like with you and Mike to finally get to a point where you were.

[Jordan]

Like, yeah, so he literally, I think we all stayed up till one in the morning or woke up super early when as soon as the POD episodes dropped. And I think we all were just watching it at the exact same time. And it, as soon as that comment came, he text me and said, hey man, I totally misspoke. I was literally like, brother, I forgive you. I, I get it. That was a long time ago. Everyone was kind of in this like emotionally weird place, maybe not acting like themselves 100% trying to be funny or something. Yeah, trying to, yeah, exactly. I, it was just like, hey, I, I, I totally understand. Then again he, he made it, made it known that he was going to learn the differences. He held himself accountable.

[Michelle Buteau]

Right.

[Jordan]

He made this donation to Life for a Child, which is my favorite charity I've ever worked with. So again, he held himself accountable and they're just like, what's the point of holding that over his head? There is no point. He knows the difference now. So that's, that's a win in my.

[Michelle Buteau]

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[Megan]

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[Ryan Seacrest]

Are you friends with Nick?

[Jordan]

No, not really.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It kind of seemed like there was an overall vibe. I think Joe even kind of said something you all hated of.

[Jordan]

Yeah, so I don't hate. I don't hate anyone.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He loves everybody.

[Jordan]

Yeah. No, I mean, me and Nick talk on the side. I just. I mean, Nick does his own thing. He's in his own lane. And then I just. I guess maybe our lifestyles don't align.

[Megan]

You're using my.

[Jordan]

So no, I got. I love all my castmates. I love yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay. Not to drill you about your dating life, but.

[Jordan]

No, you're good.

[Michelle Buteau]

What? But you know, because I, it's interesting, like, you're in this very unique point in your life, honestly. I mean, I don't know why you guys signed up for this show. I think a lot of fans, having been in your guys position before, will almost shame you into not into feeling guilty about taking advantage of the very incredible benefits that come with going on the show and becoming a public theragir for a period of time. And it often for most people fades pretty quickly. But like, like, it's a cool thing and you can do a lot of, you can have cool experiences and you can have cool opportunities and, you know, it started on the Bachelor with like, are you here for the right reasons? But it's carried over to all reality TV love competition shows where you're like, not, you're not allowed to, like, have fun and benefit from this. And quite honestly, if you come out of this as a single person, it can, you know, minus the, you know, being a fuckboy, whatever. But like, you, you can have a chance to meet people and, and, which can be challenging and kind of confusing and a little, you get paranoid. But like, what is that? Like, what does this person in your mind look like? Like, how could you meet someone where you would feel safe and excited about, you know, who she is and, and what that, you know, and what that would give you. Like this. This could be worth it, you know, Thinking about how I might introduce person into Luke, into Luca's life and things like that.

[Megan]

That.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I guess I'm not like, set on like an appearance. It's more just like I want someone to treat me like. I just need someone that's overly patient. Someone who's almost like motherly in tone. Yeah. And someone who holds me accountable.

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm assuming you don't want someone to, like, mother you, right?

[Jordan]

Yes. Be my mommy.

[Michelle Buteau]

Yeah. I think there's a lot of, I think there's a lot of women out there who feel like they have to sometimes.

[Jordan]

Yeah. No, I mean, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a grown up. I can make my own decisions and I do my own stuff. I, I. So I guess I spent the whole year and a half processing what we went through, being like, what do I want coming up. And now that we're, you know, we kind of close that chapter of our life, and I'm like, I really don't know what I'm looking for. I'm just not looking to be a fuckboy and not really looking to be the bachelor.

[Ryan Seacrest]

When it shows up, you'll know.

[Jordan]

I hope so. That's the scary thing, you know, I really hope I do know, but I don't know if I, I just feel like I'm. My head, I, my, my priorities are just elsewhere right now besides like dating. Dating.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Did you get a brand deal with Ninja?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And Crystal Light.

[Jordan]

Not Crystal Light.

[Ryan Seacrest]

That's fucked up. Then did you see their. They did a like chicken and Crystal Light.

[Jordan]

You know, I didn't, I didn't create. I didn't create the chicken smoothies.

[Megan]

Put it on the map.

[Jordan]

Put it on the map. Yeah. More power to them. As long as everyone gets their bag, I'm happy.

[Michelle Buteau]

Question for both of you, I guess and how you guys want to answer it, but a lot of women listen to this show. A lot of successful professional women listen to this show. Obviously your guys dynamic was loosely based off of this concept that I think a lot of successful professional women feel like that it emasculates men or they have a hard time dating because as soon as like a guy they're dating finds out they make a lot of money or the man looks, you know, it complicates that dynamic. I'm just curious, like, how did you feel about that? Did you feel like you represented that narrative? And I guess a question for you since you're single, because you obviously a very confident guy, you seem self assured.

[Megan]

I'm glad.

[Jordan]

I mean, I look that way.

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't know. Confident enough. I think being honest and vulnerable takes a level of confidence that a lot of people don't have. And I think you. And the reason I say that about you is because you went on a very intimidating, very popular show and it seems like you're pretty open to showing us who you were. And that takes a lot of guts. And I think a lot of people go on those shows and are very performative. So that's, that's why my opinion is that. But yeah. Do you feel like for the most part, like. Yeah. As someone who was portrayed in this relationship with Megan, who made a lot of money, how would that, has that made you think about that, that dynamic at all and how you would feel about that situation?

[Jordan]

No, I'm just such a simple guy. I don't.

[Megan]

I mean, Jordan has done very well for himself.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's true. They do, they do kind of make.

[Ryan Seacrest]

You seem like you're like penny pinching.

[Jordan]

And you just like, you kind of.

[Michelle Buteau]

Lean into that a little bit. I'm just a simple guy.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He's like, drive a Kia.

[Megan]

It's funny. Like, and this is like, I thought we were always pretty good with it because we would joke about it, like, but we're not. I mean, yeah, he has done very well for himself, but I think even like that behind the scenes thing where my friends came and. And you know, they were joking, like Jordan driving up in his Kia. When we went to look at that house, we both pulled up and it was just like, it's funny. And we. I don't know.

[Jordan]

I think, yeah, I do think they spun it. Like, I was fucking poor. I've been kind of young, beyond fortunate, you know, I just want to make sure I got food on the table. And I don't really. I've never been a car guy.

[Megan]

Such a simple guy.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I'm just a simple dude. So that's.

[Michelle Buteau]

What would you splurge on, like, if.

[Jordan]

I won the lottery or something?

[Michelle Buteau]

I don't know. Like, what's the craziest thing you've ever purchased for yourself?

[Jordan]

Craziest thing I've ever purchased for myself.

[Michelle Buteau]

We're like, I don't know if I should have done that. That was crazy. I mean. Oh, my God.

[Jordan]

I mean, I do have a pair of Gucci shoes and I. So I. And then I. I'm like scared to wear them outside the house. I was like, those things were really expensive. So now I just look at them. So, yeah, that's probably the craziest thing I've ever said. And I did feel slightly guilty about it, but no, I just don't. I'm just flashy, flashy guy. And I don't know if I ever will be, but if I did win the lottery, I would buy a new car that. My Kia is in shambles right now.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Would you get a Range Rover?

[Jordan]

I don't think so. I don't know.

[Megan]

He said he would never even.

[Jordan]

I don't even know what kind of car I would buy. Maybe like a Toyota or something.

[Michelle Buteau]

Moving up. There we go.

[Jordan]

Balling out.

[Megan]

All right.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Period.

[Michelle Buteau]

Are you guys getting recognized a lot when you go out right now?

[Megan]

Starting to. I haven't really gone out a bunch.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Have you met Paul?

[Jordan]

I haven't, no.

[Megan]

I'd love to know. So he was. Paul was at the reunion.

[Jordan]

We tried to cross paths, but.

[Megan]

But he had to run home to baby. So I'm sure one day we'll.

[Ryan Seacrest]

And from the girls, who are you closest with?

[Megan]

Casey and Ali? I would say yeah, But I honestly, like, I've kind of distanced myself from everybody. Like, I don't. They're all great, but I just. I feel like I'm in such a different place.

[Michelle Buteau]

But totally, you know, I know you guys don't want to talk shit, and I don't want you to talk shit, but who? Like, we talked to Ally yesterday, and I think, you know, if you were made to look poor, she was made to look kind of vapid. And we had a nice conversation with her, and she seems, like, pretty chill. She is. But, like, who is. Who are the people who you felt like, you know, you should spend more time with them? Because, you know, I think their character on the show was a little more narrow than who they are.

[Megan]

Yeah, I mean, I think Ali and Casey. Truthfully, I don't know. I mean, I feel like, for the most part, a lot of people got pretty accurate representations, but do you have.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Anyone off the top of your head?

[Jordan]

No, not really.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What is your opinion on Edmund?

[Jordan]

I love Edmund. Yeah, I love Edmund. I think he's. He's not a wordsmith. Right. I say that about a lot of my castmates. Not a wordsmith, but he's so uniquely himself, and I love him for that. But, yeah, we go running in the same park sometimes, or he rollerblades, and it's just so funny. Sometimes I'll see him like, what up, Ed? And he'll like. One time he's just like, what up, Jordan? Boom. Right on his ass. He's so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's just himself. And. And that's what I love.

[Megan]

He's hilarious.

[Michelle Buteau]

What about Anton?

[Jordan]

So, I mean, me and Anton work in the same line of work, so, I mean, semi relatable. We don't really hang out that much. I mean, I see him here and there, but I don't. I'm the same. Just with my position as a dad, had a lot of the group events I'm sure we're both invited to. I just don't make it.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Do they do. Like, who plans, like, all the group events? Is it just like someone in your. It's a great question group that's like, hey, let's get everyone together.

[Megan]

I don't. I never really get invited.

[Michelle Buteau]

I think that's the biggest difference between. How you say it, between you and Edmund.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Anton.

[Michelle Buteau]

Anton. Sorry. Is that. You kind of seem like the guy who's like, yeah, I don't know. Whatever. I drink. I drink the tequila.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, I would.

[Michelle Buteau]

And then Anton always is like.

[Megan]

Like, just.

[Michelle Buteau]

Why you Kind of sound like you're lying. There's always a little bit of, like.

[Jordan]

A little kid or something.

[Michelle Buteau]

Gives a man just.

[Jordan]

Who colored on the wall? Not me.

[Ryan Seacrest]

He's like. And I think you kind of colored on the wall.

[Michelle Buteau]

Was it there? Was it not there? It could have been you. I don't know. What do you not remember? It's like, I.

[Megan]

Are you. What?

[Jordan]

I don't. Yeah. I don't know. The thought process behind looking for a bottle. Tequila, you know, is gone. It just was like. But you said I drank it.

[Michelle Buteau]

You drank a lot.

[Jordan]

I drank it, yeah. Oh, so let's get. Let's get another bottle.

[Ryan Seacrest]

What was, like, the funniest or out of pocket thing that y' all watched back maybe from, like, your peers? Something you obviously, like, didn't see?

[Jordan]

Obviously. The. The Joe going in on Nick at the. Oh, my gosh. I said, damn, Joe.

[Michelle Buteau]

He might be someone's guys. Not mine.

[Jordan]

Oh. Someone asked me about, what do you say about the chicken smoothies? I said, best smoothie in the whole world. Ain't my smoothie. It's so funny.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It's like he just keeps going, though.

[Jordan]

It's like, again, you know, you. We're all. This is filmed in another lifetime, right? So everyone's looking back, being like, I wish I would have said that different. I would have did that different. And we've all matured quite a bit, I think. So this should definitely play it out like a reality TV show, though.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

So do you. I mean, you're. You're a mom, so obviously life's busy for you, and you seem kind of just content with everything, but, like, you know, back to, like, there are a lot of opportunities that come with going on the show. Are there anything that either of you would be interested in trying out or hope that a door is open, you know, from this experience?

[Megan]

I mean, I think eventually I'd like to start a business of my own. Another business of my own. To the sparkle Megan point. I don't know. There's. I'm sure there's something I could think of.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Brand.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Truly stickers, at least.

[Ryan Seacrest]

No, the tattoos. The sparkle tattoos. You know what I'm talking about. The little henna ones, the fig ones.

[Megan]

Yeah. Man, Those are like a 90s throwback.

[Ryan Seacrest]

I know. Bring them back. Sparkle Meg.

[Megan]

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, I'm sure something. Right now, I'm just happy to be a mom and focusing on my little guy.

[Michelle Buteau]

What about you?

[Jordan]

Yeah. And, you know, I got to write a kid's Book.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Dear Luca.

[Jordan]

Yeah, Inspired by my son and, you know, his, like, strong emotional intelligence. And we wrote the first one about being brave just due to his. What he has to go through with his diabetic treatments and stuff. I got these little brand deals or whatever, which has just been, like, incredibly humbling. And also, I'm like, wow, this is really fun to do. And just to be creative and to have, like, that outlet that I've always been looking for, just to be my regular goofy self. And then if I could manifest anything, it's Dancing with the Stars.

[Megan]

Ooh.

[Jordan]

Yeah. If I. Yeah, I would choose that over the Bachelor for sure.

[Michelle Buteau]

You might have to go, like, on Perfect match for that.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah. I don't. I don't think I'm down.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Is there, like, a partner that you would want to be paired up with?

[Jordan]

You know, I don't know anything. I don't know anything about dancing. I'm not a star either. We'd call it dancing with the guys.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Dancing with a simple guy.

[Michelle Buteau]

I just think. Simple guy.

[Jordan]

I just want to do. I like doing things that make me uncomfortable, and thinking about dancing in front of a bunch of people makes me very uncomfortable.

[Michelle Buteau]

Okay.

[Jordan]

But, yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm manifesting right now.

[Michelle Buteau]

Where can people find the book?

[Jordan]

Dear Luca Dot com. Yeah, exclusively right now, but we are working with, like, a book guy, and very exciting. We get to do a lot of good things with the book. So just. Just an amazing passion project. And again, I just wake up. Oh, that's Ms. R. My fantastic business partner. So she's. She's been a teacher for, like, 10 years, and she's just a subject matter expert in social emotional learning, which is kind of just introducing emotions or talks about emotions as early as possible. So we don't have guys punching holes in drywall anymore. So, yeah, we just wanted to. To do something wholesome.

[Megan]

Is that you? You?

[Jordan]

Yeah. It's based loosely on Luca and I. Yeah. So. And it is a board book, guys. I know people. I've gotten some feedback saying it's really short, and I'm like, well, it's a board book. I don't know what you want.

[Michelle Buteau]

I'm just out of curiosity because you guys obviously have remained friendly. Not that you guys are really in each other's lives, but to your point, none of your peers are operating that way who have been in relationships. And quite honestly, it's more uncommon to be doing what you guys are doing.

[Jordan]

Yeah, we like the uncommon, though, I think.

[Michelle Buteau]

But, like, what. How did, like, What. What do you think? As individuals? Why were you able to maintain that? Because I think a lot of times there's a hope, let's be cool, let's be cool. But then only. It only takes like one shot fired or not even, you know, like a rumor online and it just gets messy real fast.

[Megan]

I mean, I just think a mutual respect, you know, there was a. Like Jordan said, there was a while where we didn't speak. And I was a little hurt by that at first. Like, I reached out to Jordan. It was probably like 10 days after our supposed to be wedding date. Just, you know, hey, because I was having a really hard time. Like, this sucks. Like, even though, you know, I ultimately made the decision to walk away, you know, I was really struggling. And I think just even the process as a whole, like, you're so in it and it's so intense. And then when you walk away from it, you know, single again and just like from zero to. Or 60 to zero, you're almost like, what the fuck just happened? And so, yeah, I had reached out to Jordan and realized I was blocked, which I did.

[Jordan]

I was. I was also told I could process it however I wanted. So that's what I did. I said I got things I gotta do, which was fair. And I knew, like, that wouldn't have been good for me or. And then that would have just been a whole. I was gonna ask, let's go get dinner.

[Ryan Seacrest]

There was no, like, hookups after.

[Jordan]

No, it was literally we. We there. Why we broke up and they're walking me down and said, I'm gonna process this. However, I went blocked.

[Megan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we. We had talked about too, that week leading up to it, you know, because it's always a question like, well, would we just not get married and then maybe continue to date?

[Michelle Buteau]

It seems like, but I mean, that's.

[Jordan]

What we talked about. But it wasn't logical because I was in the same boat as during when we were filming. So, like, I think that was my response is, you know, the reasons you're breaking up with me are still there, dating or not. So let's just like call it and be and then move on with our lives. And I think we. I'm sure that was hard for both of us at the time, but I mean, look where we are now, right? I think we were able to move past it in like this healthy, natural fashion.

[Megan]

Yeah, we weren't going to all those pod gatherings.

[Jordan]

Yeah, we. I don't think we saw each other. I think one time between the time we Broke up in filming. And then that was at like a.

[Megan]

A.

[Jordan]

A little get together and it was. I mean, we just hugged each other and I think just walked away pretty much, so.

[Megan]

Okay.

[Michelle Buteau]

Well, thanks for coming, guys.

[Jordan]

Yeah, thanks for having us.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Is there anything else y' all wanna.

[Michelle Buteau]

Anything you wanna go for? Chest? Do we have any.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Anyone else you want to talk about?

[Jordan]

No.

[Megan]

No, just very grateful for Jordan still.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I'm grateful for you.

[Megan]

Yeah.

[Michelle Buteau]

Well, yeah, thanks for. Thanks for being so open and coming together and it's good to see you guys on such a healthy page.

[Jordan]

Yeah, we out here being healthy and shit.

[Ryan Seacrest]

Are you gonna introduce him to Brooke, Jordan? Yeah, sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah, we've kind of spoken about that. We're doing an offline little family dinner outing.

[Megan]

Yeah, I know. I told him I wanted. I need to buy some books for Brooke.

[Jordan]

Well, you don't need to buy one. I brought you one.

[Megan]

But.

[Michelle Buteau]

I look forward to finding out when you're in a relationship ship and on dancing stars.

[Jordan]

Maybe you be. Go.

[Michelle Buteau]

Go to the dancing partner who's single.

[Ryan Seacrest]

It could be your dancing partner pull a glb.

[Michelle Buteau]

Well, thanks for coming, guys. I appreciate you. Thanks for listening, guys. We'll see you tomorrow.

[Megan]

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