E1029 - Love Is Blind's Joe, Timothy Simons, Myles Smith, RHOSLC, RHOP and Are Boyfriends Embarrassing?

Summary

The Viall Files, E1029: Love Is Blind's Joe, Timothy Simons, Myles Smith, RHOSLC, RHOP & Are Boyfriends Embarrassing?

Date: November 6, 2025
Host: Nick Viall
Co-hosts: Natalie Joy, Susie Evans, Mary, Whitney Levitt, and others
Guests: Joe from Love Is Blind, Timothy Simons, Myles Smith

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Episode Overview

This packed Reality Recap episode features a lively group discussing the latest in dating, relationships, and reality TV. The main themes include:

• The shifting social awkwardness of having a boyfriend (“Are Boyfriends Embarrassing?”)
• Recaps and hot takes on Love is Blind (with an interview with Joe), Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP), and Salt Lake City (RHOSLC)
• Candid celebrity interviews with Timothy Simons (Nobody Wants This) and musical guest Myles Smith (Love is Blind reunion performer)
• Broader discourse on dating culture, social media’s influence on relationships, and pop culture headlines.

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Key Discussions & Insights

1. Dating Culture & The “Boyfriend Embarrassment” Trend

(Starts approx. 09:10)

• The Vogue Article: The group dives into a viral Vogue piece suggesting that flaunting a boyfriend is now "uncool" and might even bring down a woman’s status or social media engagement.
  • Susie Evans explains: “The essence… is that dating a man or marrying a man used to be a status symbol… and now men are downgrading women’s lives. If you post content with your boyfriend… you get less engagement.” (09:30)
  • The hosts consider whether this reflects genuine independence or just another shallow internet trend.
  • Nick: “Life is just better when you have someone to share it with, whether it’s a friend or a partner. This idea that all you need is your status on Instagram... that’s a lonely feeling.” (11:40)

Notable Quote:
"Anyone that this article influences to not date or to be like, oh, it's actually uncool... you probably are a loser to begin with."
—Susie Evans (13:05)

Timestamps:

• Article context & discussion: 09:10–15:00

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2. Love Is Blind Recap & Interview with Joe

(Interview starts 39:30)

The group warmly welcomes Joe, aka "Mustache Joe," from Love is Blind, getting candid about:

• Living arrangements before, during, and after the show
• Drinking on camera, his relationship with Madison, and post-show drama (including dating Casey after Madison)
• The breakup, the need for real closure, and media fallout

Joe on the Reality of the Experiment:

• “You truly looked like you found out after the pods that you’re supposed to marry this person… as if they kidnapped you.” — Nick (42:27)
• Joe admits the pace was wild and overwhelming: “I knew what I was signing up for… but it was wild to me when they said three weeks.” (43:15)

On His Ex Madison and Eating Disorder Accusation:

• Joe discusses being blindsided by Madison’s comments in interviews, saying he never realized their conversations triggered insecurities:
  • “I didn’t know about it ... There was no insecurity surrounding about that… so that one sentence gave her an eating disorder, which—if that’s her lived experience, that’s hers, right?—and I apologize if that, if that is the case, but it was incredibly wild for me to hear.” (57:42)

On Dating Casey After Madison:

• “I did date Casey longer than I dated Madison.” (52:07)
• Joe is frank about post-show hookups: “Everybody was kind of getting with everybody after the fact…” (51:22)
• Admits, “I don’t feel like I owed [Madison] anything after that.” (51:56)

The Group’s Take on Joe:

• Susie: “He looks like he’d wreck your life. And you know what I mean?” (62:47)
• Mary: “He’s definitely a lot more charming, not watching from the outside perspective.” (62:32)
• The group also jokes about Joe’s "charming dirt bag energy." (63:24)

Timestamps:

• Joe’s interview: 39:30–62:23
• Key post-interview reactions: 62:25–64:30

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3. Music Guest: Myles Smith

(Interview starts 64:31)

• Myles Smith shares his experience performing at the Love is Blind reunion and for the Steelers-Vikings game in Ireland.
• Talks about touring with Ed Sheeran (“the best ginger in the world”), songwriting inspiration, and being named in the Time 100.
• Light-hearted banter about his love for Fireball whiskey ("That's embarrassing, isn't it? ... Still stand by it, it's one of the best tasting things ever." (71:25)) and salmon.

On Songwriting for Friends:

• “It’s usually like, ‘Hey, we’re getting married, like, please don’t pull out your guitar at the wedding.’” (67:53)

Timestamps:

• Myles interview: 64:31–73:48

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4. Bravo Recaps: RHOP & RHOSLC

(Starting 79:51)

Real Housewives of Potomac (RHOP)

• The recap covers new drama, shade about social media “catfishing,” and relationship dynamics.
• Stacy’s quirky text to her husband (“I think you have the wrong number”) is a group favorite, with hosts dubbing her “legendary diva housewife/alert." (81:01)

Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC)

• The group unanimously agrees Heather is having her breakout season, calling her “free” from Lisa and “making her own choices.” (88:42)
• Britney (Brittany Bateman) gets sympathy for being treated “like a little girl”:
  • Nick: “When it comes to Britney, Meredith's a bully. She tries to bully Britney, treats her like a little girl, and Britney reacts in kind.” (92:30)
• Iconic, meme-worthy moments: Angie’s injury, “farting while making out,” and the zombie dinner party.

Timestamps:

• RHOP recap: 79:51–88:11
• RHOSLC recap: 88:22–99:28

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5. Celebrity & Pop Culture Headlines

(Scattered throughout, highlights below)

• Justin Baldoni vs. Blake Lively lawsuit: "He sued the New York Times. It got dropped. They’re counter-suing. He’s taking a lot of Ls.” (20:56)
• Millie Bobby Brown’s harassment claim against David Harbour: The group commends Millie for “popping off” and “being brave.” (21:25)
• Jennifer Lawrence on celebrity activism: Panel notes how divisive celebrity endorsements have soured public discourse, sharing JLaw’s view that “art should reflect beliefs, not Instagram posts.” (23:41)
• Tom Brady’s cloned dog: "It’s unnatural... but I’d try it." — Mary (26:51)
• Daniel Day Lewis vs. Brian Cox: The group loves the “old man drama” and Brian Cox “putting method acting on blast.” (29:08–30:45)

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6. Timothy Simons (Nobody Wants This, Veep) Interview

(Interview starts 100:13)

• Timothy reminisces about Veep, talks about the chemistry among the cast of Nobody Wants This, and being married for 17 years.
• Thoughts on acting:
  • “Chemistry is… kind of accidental. I don’t think you can really plan for it…” (103:15)
  • “Improv is used for juji… less about big jokes, more about making it conversational and real.” (104:46)
• On his character’s mullet:
  • “I kind of assumed he’d be more conservative… but the costume designer gave me ‘Shia LaBeouf/expensive streetwear scumbag’ references and it just worked.” (108:16)
• Family life & kids doing theatre, nostalgia for physical media (Blu-rays), and a passionate defense of collecting DVDs.
• The group grills Tim with a "Fuck, Marry, Kill" about Maine culture and asks about his podcast with Matt Walsh ("Second in Command").

Fun Quotes:

• “I think twins is just a matter of surviving to the end of the day… If you have one, it’s beautiful, you carry them around. With twins… how do we survive this?” (113:00)

Timestamps:

• Timothy Simons: 100:13–138:40

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Life is just better when you have someone to share it with, whether it’s a friend, relative, or partner.” — Nick (11:40)
• “Anyone that this article influences to not date… you probably are a loser to begin with.” — Susie Evans (13:05)
• “He looks like he’d wreck your life. And you know what I mean?” — Susie Evans on Joe from Love Is Blind (62:47)
• “It was a moment of weakness… shouldn’t have done it.” — Joe (on making out with Madison after the breakup) (50:24)
• “I don’t think that boyfriend’s embarrassing is a thing... but if you’re so influenced by this, maybe you’re weird.” — Susie (13:05–13:28)
• “We need to stop talking about the husbands.” — Bronwyn, echoed by all RHOSLC recappers (multiple times in 89:38–99:28 recap)
• “I’m not going to turn on Lisa [Barlow]. I want to actually be friends with you… actually means calling out your BS.” — Heather (paraphrased) (88:54)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Dating Culture & Boyfriend Discourse: 09:10–15:00
• Love is Blind/Joe Interview: 39:30–62:23
• Joe Reactions/Charming Dirtbag Energy: 62:25–64:30
• Myles Smith Interview: 64:31–73:48
• Bravo Recaps (RHOP & RHOSLC): 79:51–99:28
• Timothy Simons Interview: 100:13–138:40

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Tone & Language

The episode is informal, full of playful teasing and banter, authentic emotional reactions, and a mix of empathy, bluntness, and comedy. The hosts and guests are candid, sometimes irreverent, and lean into self-deprecation and behind-the-scenes storytelling in true “Household” style.

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Summary

This episode is a must-listen for fans of Love Is Blind and Bravo reality franchises, as well as those who appreciate thoughtful, funny takes on the realities of modern relationships and pop culture. The conversations are loose, honest, and stay true to the personalities of the guests and hosts—making it as entertaining as it is informative for those keeping up with relationship trends or simply craving the latest in reality gossip.

Transcript

[Nick]

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[Susie Evans]

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[Nick]

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[Susie Evans]

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[Natalie Joy]

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[Susie Evans]

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[Nick]

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[Susie Evans]

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[Timothy Simons]

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[Natalie Joy]

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[Nick]

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[Natalie Joy]

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[Timothy Simons]

Ll.

[Mary]

You're crazy.

[Nick]

What's going on everybody?

[Natalie Joy]

I feel like you also were a little rasp.

[Nick]

Too much dairy in the morning.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah, not a sentence.

[Natalie Joy]

I like to hear not a sentence.

[Nick]

I had a caption.

[Susie Evans]

Feeling remedy.

[Nick]

Well, I'm sorry I'm not a non.

[Mary]

Dairy plant based drinker.

[Nick]

Well, I don't have the stomach of a lady. You know all you ladies are always like dairy.

[Natalie Joy]

I will say dairy's coming.

[Susie Evans]

Dairy's coming back though Me, I love a dairy.

[Natalie Joy]

Yes name my dairy's coming back.

[Susie Evans]

It's coming back. It's making a comeback.

[Nick]

Where did it go for me?

[Susie Evans]

Almond milk took over and I've always gotten milk.

[Mary]

Currently drinking macadamia.

[Susie Evans]

You were never like on the trend.

[Mary]

Macadamia milk.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh my God. You've tried every nut.

[Mary]

Pistachio did you know you could milk any kind of nut?

[Whitney Levitt]

Didn't love that. That was late. No, you gu. Yeah, like, I don't even believe in the non dairy for the trend. I was just like, wow, this is how my stomach is supposed to feel. That's crazy, you know?

[Nick]

Well, I'm your host, Nick, joined by my wife, the spontaneous Natalie Joy, who.

[Natalie Joy]

Doesn'T have ibs, in case anyone's curious. Okay, Rub it in. Good for you.

[Nick]

You.

[Whitney Levitt]

Oh, me?

[Susie Evans]

Do I have it? No, I don't have IBS either. I'm like a garbage disposal.

[Mary]

This is Susie Evans, by the way.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah, I'm Susie.

[Natalie Joy]

Susie Evans.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Sierra, Mary, Justin, Leia, Everybody's here.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Wow.

[Mary]

We got a full house.

[Nick]

Oh, we also have a packed episode. Joe from Love is Blind, my guy, Boxer Joe, Mustache Joe.

[Whitney Levitt]

Mustache Joe, the one all the ladies want.

[Nick]

Joe, the one who has a girlfriend is also doing podcasts.

[Natalie Joy]

She can't wait to ask him about that.

[Nick]

He is with us. To round out our Love is Blind coverage following the finale. In case you missed it, we did have Sparkle Megan and Jordan in studio together to talk about their experience on Love is Blind. Their breakup, their fallout, you know, Megan being a mother, all that fun stuff. They also created some Internet waves because they flew in to do the interview and obviously there were some sightings.

[Whitney Levitt]

Oh, them together.

[Susie Evans]

I love the drama.

[Nick]

Starting a little Internet drama. Thank you. Are we the drama? Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Did I send the pops? Like, did I send them out and.

[Mary]

Say, hey, go get em.

[Nick]

Yes. In the Denver airport. Also, in case you missed it, Shannon Beador joined us on Tuesday's episode Reality Recap along with Ali and Anton from Love is Blind. So lots of Love is Blind coverage. Also, we had Shannon to talk about the finale, that messy, messy finale. You know, spoiler alert in case, you know, go back and listen to the full Jordan and Megan episode. But what I thought was really interesting, maybe that was out before, but they said that they were number 12 on their list. Like when they were in the past first day, whatever the fuck, doesn't matter which was it brought. We had a friend come over yesterday and this friend was like, I'm supposed to go on a date tonight. And it was, I guess it was the second date. And she was like, I don't know, should I go? Should I not go? He was fine, you know, fine. I guess she had a good time. Apparently his profession was like not glamorous.

[Natalie Joy]

It just wasn't like long term career goals. You know, there was, you know, a job.

[Nick]

She was nitpicking. Here and there. Fine. As we all do.

[Natalie Joy]

But she was being intentional because she's like, I'm dating to marry. I'm not dating to date.

[Nick]

Well, I don't know what that meant.

[Susie Evans]

Okay, you don't know what that means?

[Nick]

Well, no, I know what that means, but my point of bringing it up is, like, our friend used the I'm dating intentional to get married. And it was like. But, like, what? Because you didn't, like, fall in love on the first date. Like, you're like, a little, like, I can't go on a second date. Well, here we had Sparkle, Megan and Jordan. And I know they didn't end up together. And I'm curious what you guys think if you haven't listened the episode. But for those who did, like, listen, they could have gotten together. I think they could have been happy together. I don't think maybe they were each other's person, but, like, there clearly was some compatibility there. You know, they met in a weird situation. Whatever. I think they're both going to be happy without each other. But, like, they're. For them to come on the couch and have that episode, and there's clearly a mutual respect. I think they, like, they found, like, a real connection there. And I just. They get like, they're. They're proof that, like, we dating now is just, like, we go on one date, we're just like, I don't know, gonna knock me off my feet. Like, I don't know. Like, do I want to go on a sec? Do I want to take the time to get to know this? It's just like, that you're not gonna.

[Natalie Joy]

You know, it's crazy.

[Nick]

You're not gonna find your person.

[Natalie Joy]

I was like, 20th on your list when we started.

[Nick]

There you go. You know, she had to climb the charts.

[Mary]

Well, do you think that, like, the whole, like, buzzword conversation with non negotiables has kind of gone, like, overboard? Because now we're like, there's certain things that we won't negotiate on in relationships.

[Nick]

We've all used all. Like, the Internet has made us stupider and, like, we all using a bunch of words that don't really have it to me, you know, like, to. To your point, like, everyone's dated a narcissistic, gaslighting ex these days.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Nick]

You know, just imagine, you know, for all the people are out there being like, imagine what people are saying about you.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, that.

[Natalie Joy]

That brat roll.

[Nick]

I like to know someone has been like, that Mary gaslighter, probably definitely 1%.

[Whitney Levitt]

And you know what? That's not true.

[Natalie Joy]

They're also liars.

[Nick]

I think.

[Whitney Levitt]

I think they're a liar.

[Nick]

But I thought Jordan and Meghan reminded us that, like, you got to. We got to get to know people. You have to, like, go on a few fucking dates.

[Natalie Joy]

Unless I agree having a boyfriend's uncool, right?

[Whitney Levitt]

Let's talk about it.

[Susie Evans]

I've been seeing a lot about this article, the Vogue article. Having a boyfriend's kind of uncool, and.

[Nick]

It'S honestly written by lonely.

[Natalie Joy]

I was about to say, was it written by a woman?

[Mary]

Single and for some. For someone who hasn't seen this article. What do you mean?

[Susie Evans]

So I guess the essence of this article is basically that dating a man or marrying a man used to be, like, a symbol of status. And you're not gonna say elite, but like, a woman that's desirable. And now, like, men are downgrading women's lives. And it's actually, like, people who are posting content with their boyfriend, they're like, oh, I get less engagement. And, like, people are like, don't get a boyfriend. Like, you're too good for him. And, like, it's. I think that's kind of the essence of the articles that now women have, like, status on their own. And it's like, you don't need someone to. You know, this is.

[Nick]

That makes me so sad.

[Natalie Joy]

No, it's so interesting because I just clicked on the article, and the first, like, couple sentences is actually something that, like, Nick and I have talked about before. It says, if someone so much as says my boyf on social media, they're muted. There's nothing I hate more than following someone for fun, only for their content. To become my boyfriendified. Suddenly, this one.

[Nick]

This makes me so sad because this whole post is about status, I guess.

[Susie Evans]

I don't know.

[Nick]

In your aesthetic and engagement.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And it's like, okay, sure. Like, I don't think the boyfriends care.

[Whitney Levitt]

I think it's more like you're helping.

[Nick]

Them get more likes.

[Whitney Levitt]

Well, outside of that, I think what the core of this is is just what are. And this is obviously. I think this article was very, like, general. Like, to get engagement. I think it was very general, and I think this is a thing, but in a way, more like smaller vacuum of just Nick. You love to call men losers, right?

[Nick]

I like to. What?

[Whitney Levitt]

You like to call men losers? There are losers out there.

[Susie Evans]

I think it's called men.

[Nick]

I think a lot of people are losers.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I think this is not exclusive to. It's not it's not.

[Whitney Levitt]

I think in this article's case, though, I think what the concept is is, like, these really, really great women dating these guys and being okay with date. Like, these women being okay with dating.

[Nick]

Losers sounds so aggressive.

[Whitney Levitt]

I mean, you know what I mean? It's like, you know, when, like, you're girly.

[Nick]

Listen, it just. To me, it makes me sad for people because, like, I don't care who you. It's, you know, like, again, this. The premise of this article is about your status. And fine. Like, I'm glad that, like, people are finding meaning in life outside of exclusively who their. Their partners are, whoever you want to be with. Like, our friend who came over, you know, she's like, I just want to. Like, I just want to be alone tonight and, like, watch a movie. It's, like, great. But, like, you have the rest of your life to be alone. I'll. Simultaneously, she's like, shit. Simultaneously, she's like, all I want is to be a mom and to, like, get married. And, like, that's her journey. Like, that's not for everyone, but whether you want to get married or be a mom or. Or date a tree. But, like, life is just better when you have someone to share it with, whether it's a friend or a relative or a partner. Like, this fact that, like, people are selling a lie, which is, like, all you need is, like, your status on Instagram or, like, you, like, that's. That's a lonely feeling.

[Natalie Joy]

It's kind of interesting that this article came out the same time that, like, the most recent episode of Real Housewives of Potomac came out, because it was kind of. That I felt like that episode was kind of centered around angel and how she, like, always talks about Bobby, her husband.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

And kind of ways that, like, yeah. Whether, like, we want to get to know you, angel, and not, like, always hear you talk about Bobby, that's fine.

[Nick]

But for the people who do, like, find joy and who like their life that they share it with, I don't think we have to, Like, I can. Listen. We all have had that friend, right? When they date someone new, and the next thing you know, it's just like, we fucking get it. You're in love. Like, where they're projecting.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And like. Like, that is annoying.

[Whitney Levitt]

You know, making a boyfriend, your personality. I think that's what it is.

[Susie Evans]

I think also what I think from this article is, like, my honest opinion is, like, anyone that this article influences to not date or to be like, oh, it's actually uncool. Like, if that's actually influencing you, then, like, you probably are a loser to begin with. Like, that's my perspective where I'm like, if you're so influenced by this Vogue article, like, like, you probably are weird. Anyways.

[Nick]

It's not just the article though, right?

[Susie Evans]

That's just the, the discourse, the culture around it. But I also think that anybody that is like truly trying to find somebody truly wants companionship, they're not going to read this article and be like, oh, well, now I can't have a boyfriend because it's gonna like plunge engagement or whatever. Like, I don't think it's gonna like, actually affect. Also I think maybe I'm saying that because, like, I am obsessed when I'm in a relationship. So, like, I don't, I don't want to like, succumb to this. I think.

[Nick]

Well, I just kind of like that conversation I had with our friend yesterday. I don't think it's like one article where you're like, you know what? I need to change my life. But I do think the overall discourse online is for men and women, like basically saying, I get it. Like, you know, we talk about this all the time. Like, when it's important to feel comfortable when you're single. It's important to like, find yourself when you don't have someone. It's important to like, take pride in all the things that you do in your life. But it's okay to say, I want to build my community. I want to have my family, whether it's more of a traditional family or whether it's untraditional, whatever it is. You know, because we want to have our people to grow old with.

[Susie Evans]

I know.

[Nick]

And like, when our friend was just like, like, we need to get outside. People are not getting outside. They're like, you know, doom scrolling and we're. There's just too many excuses to like flake on the date, to not go out, to not get yourself out there. And we're just like staying inside waiting for miracles to happen online or on first dates. And like, that is why there's just a lot of lonely people out there. Like, you have to take some risks.

[Whitney Levitt]

My honest take on this is having a boyfriend is embarrassing. You should be like Kyle Richards and date a woman.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay, okay.

[Mary]

That's fair.

[Susie Evans]

I will say this is just like a funny you guys mentioning like somebody being ranked somewhere like Sparkle, Megan and Jordan. I think I was like closer to 10 than I was to one for Clayton on night one of the Bachelor. So I do think there Is something to, like, giving people more time to get to know you? Because I think that.

[Natalie Joy]

Was that a conversation y' all had of like, where did you.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Oh, I wanted to know everything. I was just like, I was so curious.

[Natalie Joy]

I was like, who's his number one on night one?

[Susie Evans]

It was Teddy. I think that's who he gave his first impression was to.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

But, yeah, I think it was close to her. Closer to ten than one, so. And he.

[Natalie Joy]

That's crazy.

[Susie Evans]

Picked me, so that is crazy. Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

You can't.

[Susie Evans]

I think you got to give more than one date. Unless there's like a giant red flag of like, you know, I want kids. They don't.

[Nick]

Well, speaking of dating, if you are interested in being a part of a dating docu series, a secret project that we are working on here at Envy Media with the opportunity to meet your person if you're around the ages of 22 to 45. Listen, like, we don't want to exclude anyone if, if you're 49 and you want to shoot your sh. Shoot your shot. Both men and women. We are. We have a lot of great women applicants, please, women out there, please, if you're interested, submit. We're not. You know, we don't have enough. We can't get enough. But we need more guys. So if you have a brother, a friend, a second cousin, a co worker, honestly, a good looking guy on the bus, hey, submit him, you know, on the bus. Well, they're free now in New York, apparently.

[Mary]

Yeah, that's true.

[Nick]

We're primarily looking for people in the Los Angeles and Nashville area. But if you're willing to, you know, get on a bus or get in a car, take an Uber, send in your submission, go to our Instagram bios on mine and the Vile Files Instagram and fill out our casting call. Also, don't forget, V5 plus is available now wherever you can find it. It's. Yeah, you can comment, you can talk. Talk your shit. Talk your shit, your shit. Just go to vile files.com to sign up for Vile Files. Plus, it's free to sign up.

[Whitney Levitt]

It's also really fun. We get super loose and goofy and silly.

[Nick]

Hear about some of the. Do we talk some shit? Yeah, we can talk some shit. And also expect some new and exciting things coming out of Vile Files. Plus, soon, some big announcements coming your way. So be the first to hear all about it. Also, later, this episode from the hit show Nobody Wants this now streaming on Netflix season one and two. Everyone's talking about. Everyone's watching. Timothy Simons is with us. He plays the very charming, very quirky brother Matt of the lead character, Adam Brody. He's really popping off. Really fun character to play. And we have Timothy with to talk about all things. Nobody wants this and more. Also, we have Miles Smith, the musical performing guest on the reunion for Love is Blind, who's blowing up right now on the musical charts. Also performed halftime of the Pittsburgh Minnesota Vikings game in Ireland.

[Whitney Levitt]

And Ireland. And that is how I know.

[Nick]

Booked and busy.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yes.

[Nick]

Well, last time they had a musical guest, Alex Warren, who friend of show. Really popped off.

[Natalie Joy]

Absolutely.

[Timothy Simons]

Blew.

[Susie Evans]

Blew up.

[Nick]

Thank you. Thank you. Love Is Blind truly, or thank you. Vile Files was really.

[Whitney Levitt]

I was going to say thank you, Steelers.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Susie Evans]

Thank you, Alex.

[Whitney Levitt]

Very good.

[Natalie Joy]

So thank you, Alex.

[Nick]

Well, in a story that maybe only I care about these days, Justin Baldoni took an L in the. In the court system recently.

[Natalie Joy]

L. Basically because. Did he, like, technically lose or was he just, like, not.

[Nick]

Not an expert here? Haven't really paying, like, super close att. So, like, I don't like. I'm not a lawyer. I'm not.

[Natalie Joy]

I'm not Emily D. Baker.

[Nick]

I'm not Emily D. Baker. But I believe that the, like, the judge originally said, like, you don't have enough here.

[Whitney Levitt]

He procrastinated on his homework and didn't get his work.

[Nick]

Like, you just. We're going to dismiss that. They. It got dismissed.

[Mary]

He had, like, a deadline.

[Susie Evans]

Right.

[Nick]

But then he. They had a deadline to resubmit the claim if they actually had evidence or, like, actual things that made it, like, less, you know. You know, they didn't have enough, so they dismissed it.

[Susie Evans]

This was the second deadline, like, to resubmit or there is still a second deadline?

[Nick]

No, no, it's over.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah, it's done.

[Timothy Simons]

Okay.

[Nick]

So. And they were like, no, we're totally gonna do it. Like, oh, my God. We got all this stuff. We just didn't, like, we haven't got around to it yet. And then they. The deadline has passed. And so which to me, would again, further show what I've always suspected that, you know, this was just his team trying to win in the court of public opinion and very much, like, fight the fight online and continue to harass Blake and her team. But, like, secret. It seems like behind the scenes, things are getting brighter and better for the team. Blake, when it comes to the court.

[Mary]

Do we know if the case is, like, Lisa Barlow dismissed, or are we still having that, like, May 2026?

[Natalie Joy]

Nope.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Nope.

[Nick]

As far as this particular case where it's Justin sued Blake lively for 400 million dol. That is red stamp gone. Dismissed. I mean, I guess he could, like, file a different claim. I guess.

[Natalie Joy]

$400 million defamation, extortion, and defamation lawsuit against Blake and Ryan, and it's officially been shut down after he missed. He. They failed to respond to an Oct. 17 order asking why final judgment shouldn't be entered, prompting the court to formally close the case.

[Nick]

See, I would say that, like, when they filed it, it was just, like, in a retaliatory claim to, like, distract from the actual claim, which is Blake accusing Justin of inappropriate behavior at the. At the workplace and the online harassment and the PR campaign that his team, which I think there's. It seems to be a lot of evidence on. And this was more of a tactic to paint himself as the victim.

[Natalie Joy]

Everyone that he sued. Right. That all of that has been.

[Nick]

He sued the New York Times. It got dropped. They're counter suing. He's taking a lot of Ls right now that you're not really hearing about, which is fascinating.

[Whitney Levitt]

It's almost as if.

[Nick]

It's almost as if he has.

[Whitney Levitt]

He has power on the Internet.

[Nick]

Yeah. The PR campaign really, you know, doing his work. Anyway, well. Told you.

[Susie Evans]

So speaking of this Millie Bobby Brown story.

[Whitney Levitt]

Crazy, crazy David harbor, evil, slimy creep.

[Susie Evans]

I don't know the lore of him, but from the song of it.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mary]

I was gonna say it sounds dark.

[Nick]

Well, the fact that, like, she felt compelled to file a bully harassment claim before they even filmed season five, which credit to her, like, pop off, like, very scary. As we now know. Again, back to the Blake and Justin, like, especially for any victim and especially for women in a workplace, it can be very scary to come forward to say, I feel uncomfortable. This person's making me feel uncomfortable. Because so often there's a lot of retaliatory response to this or, like, you know, making them sound crazy or like they're the problem. So credit to Millie Bobby Brown for coming forward. But then you like. Yeah. If you find out the lore about this David guy.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah.

[Mary]

He's currently getting divorced from Lily Allen, Right?

[Whitney Levitt]

Yes. And Lily Allen. Scathing album.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Whitney Levitt]

About this man.

[Nick]

Oh, there's, like, a lot of darkness around this guy.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

The Lily Allen album, too, is crazy because she talks about how he forced her into an open relationship.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

And how he likes, like, pushed all these insecurities on her, and then eventually he just ended the relationship.

[Timothy Simons]

The marriage.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Ended the marriage. And she talks about how there's, like, other women and, like, mistresses named, like, Madeline, like, oh, my goodness, I need.

[Nick]

To listen to that segue to the Jennifer Lawrence interview. She did an interview with. Listen, like, again, we're not a political show. I really appreciated Jennifer Lawrence talking about this. She was basically like, we now know regardless of what side you like, but, like, the celebrity endorsement is useless, and yet so many celebrities are, like, pressured into giving their political commentary on topics that, like, maybe they're not even that well versed, only to, like, honestly bring a lot of, like, heat and criticism and. And trolling in their direction. That only causes them, like, it just kind of hurts. Well, yeah, it's bad for their mental health and it hurts them and, you know, it alienates half of their audience. And she just talked about, like, I want to do things that, you know, bring people together. We live in a divisive time. I thought it was just a really, like, nice interview to just talk about inclusivity rather than exclusivity. And then she wants to focus on topics and themes that are, like, are welcoming to all people and because, like, I think we're now finally recognizing that, like, being diva, you know, saying we live in divisive times and then continuing to be divisive isn't the answer.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah. What she also said in that interview that I thought was really interesting was, like, she basically was saying that she didn't want her personal opinions to keep people from engaging her with her work that she's choosing because they reflect a lot of her opinions.

[Susie Evans]

Right.

[Whitney Levitt]

Like, the art, the pieces that she's choosing to do is what she believes in. And she's like, I think it's worth a lot more to, like, have this, like. Like, let's say, like, whatever movie she's in that reflects, like, ideas that she's really passionate about. She wants that to be her statement on it versus, like, her words, which I like. That part of it, I think is really cool. And I also think there's a difference between, like, artists and actors who, like, are activists, because I think there is overlap a lot of the time, and I think those people are in a different sort of, like, space than your actor who's like, like what you were saying, kind of just like endorsing for endorsement's sake versus the people that, like, that is very much what they're passionate about and what their art, like, is about. So I think there's a difference. And I. Yeah, I think it's like, a really interesting conversation that she opened up.

[Susie Evans]

I do, too. I also think that so often, like, the bridge for people is just like, compassion and understanding. And really, that's just like, getting to know somebody. And especially for an actor, if you're playing a part of somebody that, you know, you feel passionate about, the topic of whatever the movie is about, it's like, somebody's gonna fall in love with your character and have compassion for people that that character is representing. So it really makes so much sense. And I actually love. I. I appreciate what she said to an extent. I think it's, like, a really great way to look at it. And I think also, like, there is this pressure to, like, advocate and speak and talk, and, like, there are things that I'm super passionate about. But if I do talk about it, I do feel like it just alienates so many people, and I'm like, It just becomes an echo chamber.

[Natalie Joy]

Speaking of celebrities, did y' all see that? Tom Brady revealed that his current dog, Juni, is a clone of his late dog, Lua, who died in December of 2023. He, like, is. And he's an investor in this company, Colossal Biosciences, and he basically worked with this company for a second chance with a clone of their beloved dog.

[Nick]

That's crazy.

[Natalie Joy]

Crazy.

[Nick]

Like, Jeff sometimes sleeps on my head.

[Natalie Joy]

Does it work in humans, you think, like, if I die?

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Sure.

[Mary]

I'm sure they're working towards it, but.

[Nick]

Like, I would be. I would think that clone Jeff might, like, like, rip my neck out in the middle of the night. It's just a giving horror story, Right?

[Susie Evans]

Because the memories aren't there. Just the biology. Right?

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. And then, like, what if they're, like, it. Like, something hits a little different, and then they're like, would you clone me?

[Nick]

Or would you, like, go for, like, something new?

[Natalie Joy]

You know what? I think, like, our time would be done.

[Whitney Levitt]

I think that's. I think clones take away. That is the thing of, like, with people and with pets. It's like, the time you get to spend together because it's limited is what makes it so special. And so it's like, do you think.

[Natalie Joy]

He also have a couple clones of Giselle just, like, in his house? He doesn't let leave.

[Whitney Levitt]

That's terrifying.

[Mary]

I do think that's.

[Nick]

Without a voice, like, she just can't speak. No.

[Mary]

100%.

[Natalie Joy]

She can't speak. Yeah, but it's like, it's her. Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

But also, it makes me feel kind of sad. I'm like. I think I. I get that, like, loving a dog so much that you're like, oh, I want to have this dog forever. But it's just. I Don't know, but I'm like, it's just never going to be the same.

[Mary]

It's unnatural.

[Natalie Joy]

But I try it.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah. If I could clone my disgusting dog.

[Mary]

Literally, give me 14 of them.

[Whitney Levitt]

Love it.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, apparently, they also previously cloned Paris Hilton's dog and Barbra Streisand's do dog. So, like, this is a celebrity.

[Nick]

Be a celebrity dog.

[Whitney Levitt]

Tom Brady is in the diva universe.

[Natalie Joy]

Fifteen successful cloned species make it 17, including the black footed ferret and Prazalk, someone's horse.

[Nick]

Know what they should do when they make clones of people? If for no other reason, you should have to hang out with your clone, like, locked in a room. And just to be like, just so mo. So just so everyone can realize how insufferable they are gonna say, haven't you.

[Mary]

Seen the movie Us?

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Thank you.

[Susie Evans]

You know, I'm a narcissist because I'm like, I would love that. I think it'd just be so interesting.

[Mary]

You're like, can you turn around so I can see what the back of your hair looks like?

[Nick]

No, literally, I'd be like, bend over.

[Susie Evans]

Jump up and down. I want to see how everything works.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Whitney Levitt]

Me clone. Clone Marianne.

[Natalie Joy]

Let me see the back here.

[Miles Smith]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Could you imagine clone Nick arguing with Nick?

[Natalie Joy]

It would be never ending.

[Mary]

We come back two days later. I'm like, you guys haven't.

[Natalie Joy]

They're still doing a.

[Susie Evans]

Going deeper.

[Nick]

Always right, never wrong. Meat.

[Natalie Joy]

You're both interrupting each other.

[Nick]

I'm so likable.

[Whitney Levitt]

We would just get bored of talking and be like, do you want to just, like, smoke weed and watch Mad Men? And then we would do that for, like, six hours, and then we would be cool. But I think the conversation. We would both get really annoyed with.

[Nick]

Each other and celebrity drama only maybe I care about. Daniel Day Lewis says Brian Cox has dragged him into a debate that he didn't want to be a part of. Am I the only one who knows who these people are?

[Whitney Levitt]

I know who both of them are.

[Nick]

Okay. Daniel Day Lewis, many people think he's the greatest actor of our time, famously. You know, when it comes to method acting, he was probably the person we. He really put method acting on the map.

[Mary]

Put a face to it.

[Nick]

Put a face to it. Brian Cox, also, he's the. He plays the dad in succession.

[Whitney Levitt]

Session.

[Mary]

Oh, okay. Okay.

[Timothy Simons]

Yes.

[Nick]

A lot of good stuff.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, I thought he was the dad.

[Mary]

In the Ring of Samara.

[Natalie Joy]

The guy's name in Breaking Bad.

[Mary]

Brian Crownston.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, gotcha.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Different, but kind of the same.

[Nick]

Both named Brian.

[Natalie Joy]

Both see last names.

[Nick]

Brian Cox has apparently had said some things about what his opinion of method acting. Jeremy Strong, who is his co star in succession, also famously known as a method actor. And method acting, I guess, in some spaces gets criticisms because I imagine it can be obnoxious. Like Jared Leto.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Nick]

Right. Like, I. I think some method actors use it an excuse to just kind of be an asshole on set and. And kind of troll. Their co stars are just like, whoa, Joker.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah, like, wasn't he, like, leaving like.

[Mary]

Dead animals in their trailer or something? Okay, that's too far. He's the joker.

[Whitney Levitt]

Did you guys ever watch that documentary when Jim Carrey was Andy Kaufman in the movie and a movie. And then they made a documentary about Jim Carrey going full method as Andy Kaufman. It's like. Like, freaky. It's really good.

[Susie Evans]

Is it a horror?

[Mary]

No, it's Dr. Yeah.

[Nick]

But, you know, again, listen. Various opinions about it, but like Daniel Day Lewis, it's really part of his process, his craft. He takes it seriously, yada yada. And he goes, brian Cox is a very fine actor who's done extraordinary work. As a result. He's been giving a soapbox, which he shows no sign of climbing down from. What a. What a dig. Anytime he wants to talk about it, I'm easy to find. This is like. This is like Jennifer Lawrence and Emma Stone like, fighting online about their acting process. Like, it's.

[Mary]

It's awesome how eloquently he threw shade.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Like a couple old men being drama queens. I'm living for.

[Mary]

Apparently, he has a soapbox, and we use that.

[Whitney Levitt]

There should be, like, a housewives version of just like very serious, very intelligent, talented old men just being like, I disagree. And if you would like to climb down off of your soapbox.

[Nick]

If he wants to talk about it, I'm easy to find. He wants to meet in the alley and box.

[Whitney Levitt]

The thing is, like, that is basically what Conclave was as an entire movie was just a bunch of old diva men being like, I do not know if you are as talented as you think you are.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, really quickly continuing on with some celebrity drama, we had Whitney Levitt last night on Dancing with the Stars. Obviously, Jen got eliminated last week, and this week, Whitney was kind of asked about the feud that's been kind of speculated between the two of them because there was, like a. So maybe an alleged smirk that Whitney gave. After Jen was eliminated, some online feud started, and then Whitney was asked about it.

[Nick]

Oh, what'd she say?

[Natalie Joy]

She said this this was her response to being like, hey, your mom talks, sister. Looks like there's a feud. Is everything good?

[Mary]

I'm trying not to focus on that. Just trying to focus on all the.

[Natalie Joy]

People that are supporting us because I'm so grateful for them. Like, it motivates us.

[Mary]

It keeps us going. So thank you.

[Natalie Joy]

Perfect.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Perfect.

[Nick]

I have a Twitter buddy who we only talk Packers Shout Jake from. I think he lives in Lake, North Dakota. I don't know. We've never met in person.

[Whitney Levitt]

Oh, my God. You have a mutual.

[Natalie Joy]

It's his pen.

[Mary]

It's like his pen podcast.

[Susie Evans]

So nice.

[Nick]

Actually, we.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

We.

[Nick]

I'm. You know, I.

[Mary]

That's really wholesome.

[Nick]

We text about the Packers. Anyways, he texted me yesterday. He's like, watching Dancing with the Stars. He's like, that Whitney, really good dancer. Seems like a terrible person. I didn't respond.

[Natalie Joy]

I. Nick did not feed into it.

[Whitney Levitt]

You're like, buddy, buddy. We want her on the show. We love her.

[Natalie Joy]

But that is interesting that that's her response.

[Mary]

I will say it is kind of crazy because I was like, her going on Dancing with the Stars had been, like, rewriting her reputation from Secret Lives and Mormon Wives. And then that one moment of Jen getting eliminated and her looking happy about it was just like. And then she was at the bottom three this week, and I'm like, I think Whitney was. Yeah, Whitney was at the bottom three.

[Susie Evans]

It'll get Jessica.

[Nick]

She's an excellent dancer. Listen, I. I know people thought I was hard on her at the reunion. I. I love Whitney as, like, she. She mesmerizes. She me. Facial reactions. I'm obsessed with her tiktoks. Her commitment to the bit.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And she can never get out of her own way. She just can't. I mean, that's like, what an amazing response to that question.

[Susie Evans]

Because she can't.

[Natalie Joy]

I'm trying not to focus on it. I love everyone who's supporting me.

[Mary]

All she had to say was Jen. Like, Jen was a great dancer and did such a great job. It was so sad to see her.

[Natalie Joy]

Leave so soon, even if.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's so silly. We love each other.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

But why would she.

[Natalie Joy]

We're mom talk. We're mom talk sisters.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

You know what?

[Mary]

I'm not really focusing on that right now.

[Nick]

Who else was in the bottom three? I watched all the dances. I didn't see the results. I know. I know that Danielle Fisher went home.

[Mary]

It was Danielle. Andy Richter and Whitney love that Andy was Danielle Fisher.

[Susie Evans]

I love that he's still going through.

[Mary]

I think it was humbling because I feel like it's one of those things where, you know, she's thinking she's on the up, she keeps winning and everybody doesn't really understand why she gets the best scores every week.

[Nick]

Best scores every week.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And is not a good thing.

[Mary]

And the fact that she's doing better than like some people that we like Jordan, a lot of people feel the last couple of weeks has been short. Shorted by her scores. Whitney's last two dances, it just didn't really hit the way that some of the best ones that she's done already. And I'm like Alex consistently great. Dylan growing. Robert Irwin and Whitney cry.

[Nick]

Listen, I have, I probably have a little bit of Whitney inside me, you know, where. I think Whitney is a perfectionist. She's a hard worker. She is a grinder. She will always bet on herself. She, she, if there's some. If she can control the outcome, you can count on her to do it. But like, she has a hard time showing vulnerability. She's, she's, it's just, she's. You don't want to root for, you know, because she's so. Because she's so good at rooting for herself.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Maybe that's it.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Like you don't need fans because you are your number one.

[Nick]

Quick, who's our. Who's your top three? I'm still gonna say Dylan.

[Natalie Joy]

Top three. There's like six left.

[Nick]

I know.

[Mary]

Alex.

[Nick]

Alex.

[Mary]

Dylan and Rob and Dylan. Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Oh, my gosh. It's so hard to do three because I feel like Whitney could be in it. But I'm same and Whitney's my swing.

[Mary]

I'm between Alex and Rob for first. Sorry, Dylan.

[Nick]

Well, we'll find out in a few weeks. Up next, we got Joe from Love is Blind. Let's get to it.

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[Nick]

Joe, welcome to the show.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

How's it going? Thanks for having me.

[Nick]

Good to be with you. Thanks for. Thanks for joining us. First of all, mustache looks great.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Great.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Hey, I appreciate it. I'm getting mixed reviews but I'm keeping it them.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Also it seems like the you got a little apartment upgrade because like on the show you were like living out of a truly just a real box.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

No, that was an Airbnb according to the Internet, so. Oh yeah, no it was. That was my place and it was a shoe box. Yeah, I don't, I don't know. It was. It didn't look great.

[Nick]

Yeah. Why would you Airbnb that Right, yeah, it's gotta be. No offense.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

No offense. I had stake and yeah, I had bars on the windows, barely fit into the bathroom. I was actually sleeping on my friend's couch like nine months or probably six months before that. And he was like, hey, are you going to go get a place? I was like, yeah, for sure. I get what you're trying to tell me right now and leave my apartment. And so I went and got that place because it was very cheap and I didn't know where I wanted to be and it was just a nine month lease and thank God I'm out of there. But yeah, this is my apartment now.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Natalie Joy]

High rise.

[Nick]

Yeah, it looks good. Well, Joe, before we, before we get into everything, I just want to say I, I enjoyed you this season. I, I found you to be humorous and fun and we certainly had some fun at your expense. I hope that's okay. But we all things considered you, you really were entertaining and thanks for being a part of a fun season.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Hey, you know, glad you can find some enjoyments out of the, you know, some of the, the shit I did on there, you know, the shoe show that was season nine.

[Nick]

It's all good. It's all good. First question, why is your girlfriend still doing podcasts guests?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

My girlfriend? No, she did one.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

And that was a no go.

[Nick]

So did she run that by you or.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah, they reached out to her independently and I was like, you know, do what you want. I'm not going to say yes or no, but I really should have said no.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

And yeah, I was, Yeah, I probably should have done it differently, but you know, can't, can't go back.

[Nick]

You know, you live and you learn. But what was, was there a fallout from, from that interview? Like why. I mean, I would love to hear your perspective on why you think you should have said no.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Stay probably in the good graces of certain media companies, I would say, but.

[Nick]

Yeah, of course, yes.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

And no fallout I would say with, with anybody that she talked about on there. But yeah, it probably just wasn't a smart idea and I would have done it differently looking back now.

[Natalie Joy]

Was she at the reunion?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

She was not. No. I, I took both of my sisters and so I think I only got two tickets and my sisters were going to be there and I also didn't want to subject her to that because I knew what was going to go down and I also wanted to be in high spirits after so. And not have to, I don't want to say feel the wrap because she wouldn't have made me feel any certain way after, But I just know that that probably would have got under her skin.

[Nick]

So throughout the season, you seemed incoherent. Well, honestly, it just like the running joke on all these shows, whether it's Love is Blind or the Bachelor or whatever, these kind of crazy experiments that people sign up for, which is like, you know, what you signed up for, which, you know, we can get in the weeds of whether that's true or not. But you truly looked like you found out after the pods that, like, you're supposed to marry this person. And you were like, in a. Like, as if they kidnapped you. Which, you know, for all the Internet people, that's not what they do.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

But you.

[Nick]

You were like. Like marriage. Like, you were like, did it. At what point did it, like, did it really dawn on you that, like, the expectation is to potentially get married to Madison?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah, I mean, it dawned on me throughout the whole. Throughout the whole show. I mean, I knew what I was signing up for. Maybe it didn't look like that, but it just. It was wild to me when they said three weeks, and I was like, oh, three weeks? Yeah, let's see if we can get there in that amount of time. And at that point, it was. Was swirling in my head.

[Nick]

Six weeks was more palpable at the time when.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah, six and a half. It would have been fine.

[Natalie Joy]

And how do you feel now that you're, I would assume, not drunk right now, sober. What time is it?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

You assumed wrong.

[Natalie Joy]

He's like, excuse me, I have to throw up.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

This is when I start. Yeah, it's about 10 in the morning.

[Natalie Joy]

What is your opinion right now of Nick?

[Nick]

Of Nick?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

I like Nick, honestly. Yeah. You know, my bad on that one. That was. I let the. The drunk thoughts win, and they won big time. But I. I have no ill will towards Nick. He is. I think he has a good heart, sometimes a little misunderstood, and was kind of a crummy thing of me to say at the time because I wouldn't want to watch it back and see somebody else talking about me on there. But he's, you know, he's a unique guy, and I think he is a decent person.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Person.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, well, that's kind of was nice. He's somebody's guy. Not my guy.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah, he's.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah, he's a guy. I like Nick. I. Yeah.

[Nick]

A big part of Anton's storyline was his drinking. Who drinks more? You or him or Annie or Annie?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Who drinks more? I actually will. Damn it. You guys got me.

[Natalie Joy]

Probably.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Unfortunately, me, I Don't. I don't. I've never seen Anton get a little crazy. My thing is, I just don't want to stop. Right. And that's. I probably shouldn't say that, but I always want the good time to keep on going. But I've. I've laid off a little bit, and it doesn't help. I work two nights a week at a bar as well, for. For. And that doesn't help at all. So.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Natalie Joy]

Going back to Baja, where we saw you get absolutely hammered for the first time. I think Nick and I were very much like, this dude is hammered. Like, this is not the time to have this conversation with him. Madison.

[Nick]

Maybe I was more like, just say you're drunk. I'm drunk. I did.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

I don't. I. I. She knew I was drunk, too, and I was like, yeah, I'm hammered. I'm going back. I don't think that got in there, but obviously, I think everybody knew I was drunk. And, yeah, I had about four hours to sleep it off, but I was in a different dimension when I woke up. And I don't know if I've ever been. Actually, I have been to Mexico before, and that happens every time, so I don't know why I would try to lie to you guys.

[Susie Evans]

That's not true.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah. I mean, but now it's just on camera, right? And it's a new experience where there's cameras around you and you're. You're engaged to somebody that you just met a week and a half ago. So there was a lot playing into it. The dynamic was different. And, yeah, I should have. I wish I could have just been sleeping, to be honest.

[Natalie Joy]

Was that part of your reaction when you. When she woke you up and you kind of woke up and then saw all the cameras in the boom operator and, like, is that a little bit why you acted the way you did, or were you just like.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah, I'm sure. I'm sure they. They actually came in once before that that wasn't on camera and woke me up. And I think I was just, like, saying, nonsense. I mean, I barely remember that. That might have not even happened, but I'm pretty sure it did. And then the second time they came in, which was, you know, I needed some food. That was my deal. Like, I woke up, and I think tensions were a little high. She wanted to. For me to come over and comfort her, and I was just not even in my right mind to comfort myself. So it was not a great look, I would say. But, yeah, I just wish I Was sleeping during that.

[Natalie Joy]

Has your girlfriend watched the season back or she stayed away from it?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Oh, yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, she has.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

No, she watched it all.

[Nick]

Was she a fan before you guys met of me? Of the show?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Was she a fan of the show? I think she might have watched a couple seasons. I don't know if she was a huge fan, but yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Wow.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay.

[Nick]

When. When you and Madison broke up and she was on the floor crying, I really appreciated that scene because I just thought it was really honest in the sense that, like, when, you know, you know, and you knew that you wanted out of that relationship, and I really wanted a camera on you after you got into the hallway because she's on the floor crying, and I imagined you, like, jumping up and being like, I'm free.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

You thought I was skipping out of there?

[Nick]

Yeah. And again, this is not. No, this is not against Madison. It's just more like you clearly, like, wanted out of that situation and you. I couldn't help but think that you probably had a big sigh of relief take us into that hallway. What was. What was that really like?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Oh, well, we had to go do interviews after that, and I think they. They asked me a thousand different ways of, you know, what. What was it? Why was it then? I don't understand. Nowadays, it's like, do you need. You don't need a reason. Like, if somebody told me, hey, this isn't it. You know, you're not my person. We don't match on this, this, this, and this. I would leave it at that. Right. And so I think, you know, a little bit, even at the reunion, it's like, well, well, what was it helped me out here? You know, I just can't. I don't. It just wasn't it.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Right.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

And so there are certain things, like, I don't think our personality is really meshed. I think our communication was. Was terrible. And I take responsibility for a lot of that as well. And, you know, I said sorry 500 different ways, but it's. That's it. The long and the short of it is I don't really think that I can say anything more that way would be much of much use or help anybody.

[Nick]

Yeah, no, you're totally right. I mean, I. I did happen to write about this in my book, don't text your ex happy birthday. Shameless plug. But no, when people want closure, it's just basically like them asking you for, like, more reasons why you don't with them or, like, why you don't like them. It's like you're asking the person to like on you.

[Susie Evans]

Right. It's really painful for them.

[Nick]

What is it? Tell me why I hate the way you dress. I don't like. Ah. You know, and you don't want to say that. You don't. You just want to be like, listen, it's just.

[Mary]

Just not working.

[Susie Evans]

Let me go in peace.

[Nick]

It's me.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah, that's the thing, too. I mean, you know, we. We kind of had a talk after, and that's where, you know, ended up making out. Definitely should not have done that. I think it was in the moment. It was familiar. There was still some feelings there. And I left, but I. I knew it wasn't that. And then, you know, I ran into her two weeks later at another party, and she said, I. Hey, I think it was just the cameras. I think it's this. I think it's that. I think it was just the awkwardness, and you were nervous, and that's. That's her go to line. Like, I think it's just the cameras that happened. That happened a lot on the show and then after the fact as well. And I just was trying to relay that it's not. I just. This isn't gonna work between us, no matter how hard we try.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, all y' all did was fight. And so who.

[Nick]

Instant. Who instigated that kiss?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

That was.

[Mary]

Was.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

That was probably me. Who went 90. I mean. Yeah. I mean, like, we did. We went and talked. We went and talked it out, and it. It was. It was not a great talk by any means, I would say. And then, you know, walked her to her car, and. Damn it, I shouldn't have done it on her. It was probably me. Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah, I could see how that's a little confusing.

[Mary]

Confusing?

[Nick]

You love Bomber. You. You love bombed her.

[Miles Smith]

I mean, getting close.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

I. I'm kidding. It was like a moment of weakness in that. In that point of time, and then.

[Nick]

I think it's allowed.

[Natalie Joy]

Did you go into reunion knowing that you and Casey's fling would be chit chatted about?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Everybody knew about that. That, you know, from the two. Two months after the fact that we kind of got together Every. Everybody knew about that. And I think Madison had that talk with Casey at Mike's pool party, and it was. God, that was a rough one, too.

[Natalie Joy]

So why was Casey crying at the party?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

At the party? I think she was hammered. Yeah, she.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

She was drunk.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Everybody was drunk there. And so Denver.

[Nick]

Right.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

It's the altitude, you know, it's a little bit of reprieve. Right. Everybody's getting together, and so everybody wants to have fun, and. And she was crying, and, you know, I know she had some feelings for me, too, and. And that was something that I also knew wasn't going to work. And. Yeah. I don't know. Everybody was kind of getting with everybody after the fact, so. And Madison was mad about that, right? Madison was. Was a little pissed at Casey. I know she was, you know, pissed at me. I think she thought it was inappropriate, but I don't feel like I owed her anything after the.

[Nick]

Inappropriate for you guys to date or talk.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was about, like, a month and a half. I would say that. That we were kind of together, and I just. I just didn't feel like I owed her anything.

[Susie Evans]

So. Did you date Casey longer than you dated Madison?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah, I did.

[Natalie Joy]

Madison seems to think that there was a little bit of overlap.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Was there overlap in. In what? Relationship? Ah, that sounds bad.

[Timothy Simons]

Well.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, you know, if you want to talk about all the overlap, we're here.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

I'm. I'm here. Ask me anything. You guys are asking me good questions.

[Nick]

I love Joe. I love Joe.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

I've been on interviews, which. Yeah. Which. They just asked me the same five questions, and I went to. I want to jump off the ninth floor over here.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, specifically, again, ninth floor. That's pretty good. Specifically. I guess Madison said at reunion, like, the reason that you and her ended is because you and Casey kind of started up something, and it kind of distracted your head. I guess, something along those lines.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah. I don't. I. Honestly, that was a shock to me because I heard it in interviews before even the reunion, so I knew that was coming, but it was a. It was a huge shock. I was. And you know what? No, you know, no, that. That had nothing to do. I was the one that said, googly eyes. Right. She was like, Joe, you. In your own words, you said googly eyes. Yeah. I went back and told her that she was across the bar, and I'm sure Casey was being a little too extra friendly. All the. All the women were. That we haven't seen ever. They were saying, hey, if this doesn't work out, blah, blah, blah. They were saying that to everybody. So. And so I went and told her that because we had a long conversation probably six hours into the night, no sleep. What you see the next. The next day is kind of rehashing it a little bit more. And so. But yeah, I was so surprised at hearing that, because I don't know if that's something that made her feel a little Bit better. Or that was the closure she kind of wanted. But, you know, whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Natalie Joy]

Which other women kind of confess their love to you?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

No.

[Timothy Simons]

No.

[Mary]

Who was the overlap with.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

And there's that. No, I mean, know. Just. Just, you know, certain people that are like, oh, this is. Hey, it's nice meeting you, and wink, wink, wink, wink.

[Nick]

Are you still wearing boxers?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Am I wearing boxers right now?

[Nick]

Yeah. Like, why not boxer briefs?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Those were swim trunks.

[Nick]

Oh, okay. So do you wear boxer briefs?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

No, I wear. I wear boxer briefs. Yeah, for sure. But those were. Those were definitely swim trunks because I. Like, I'm going to go back and change right. In bed.

[Nick]

You never know, you know?

[Natalie Joy]

Joe, were you at that party where Brendan and Casey were allegedly.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Cuddling.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

So I wasn't there. Right. But Brendan's my good friend. Right. I still see him all the time. We work out together. I see all the boys all the time. Great relationships, but I wasn't there. And then I asked Brendan the fact. I wanted to kind of speak up because I never heard about that. Brandon would have told me about that other. I would have heard through the grapevine, through other people. And then I asked him about it, and he was like, no, that never happened. That's something that I wouldn't have done or I wouldn't even been close to. I think Brandon. Casey never had that. I just couldn't see it happening. Right. But I. But I didn't know, so I didn't want to speak on it at the time, but Brandon reassured me, and he was like, no, that never happened. Not that I would care, but, yeah, it was just a weird thing to pop off. I think they were going after Casey pretty hard on that because I grew up in one that, like.

[Natalie Joy]

So where do you think Kate got that from? Do you think she pulled it out of her ass or.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

I don't know. I don't know, actually. I can't really. I can't really tell on that, but, I mean, I'm gonna. I think Kate and. And Brendan even talked about it. I think Brendan even talked about it with Casey at. Because we. We all went to Mile High to watch the reunion back, and I even had a. A conversation with Madison there, too, and she was trying to rehash with me a little bit, and I just wanted to be anywhere but that conversation.

[Nick]

When we had Madison on, she.

[Natalie Joy]

Did you watch that interview?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

I watched. Yeah, I did watch that interview.

[Nick]

Oh, so you saw her accuse you? Of course.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Of. Of being, I guess, the reason that she developed an Eating disorder.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Do you, what do you think of that? Because obviously that's a very.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

It's heavy.

[Nick]

It's heavy. It's a heavy accusation. Yeah. What do you, what do you think about all, all that?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

I think there again didn't know about that until I saw it on the, the bio files and, and saw it on other interviews. Right. This is nothing that has ever come up and nor did I think she had any insecurities about it. That, that was a conversation we had. Right. I did that interview. She didn't see that tell it until it came out. But then I came back and you know, we were talking and I said more, more petite women. You know, that's usually what I go for. Should I have said that? Probably not, but I, I'm honest to a fault, you know, maybe.

[Nick]

Were you responding to a question?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah, I mean I think we were talking about each other's types and, and what our past relationships look like. And hers looked wildly different than me as well. And so it's not. But, but I said that and she goes, oh, okay. But I feel like I reassured her in that moment as well. I was like, no, you're beautiful. This is, this, this is the person I'm going to try to make this work with.

[Natalie Joy]

Did she say her previous relationships were like super tall but buff, big dick?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Like big dick, yeah. Why is she going for me? No, that's. No, I mean she, she, you know, like variety, which she said. But that's, that's the fact too. If she did say, you know, I need a six five guy, usually date six, five guys, I'm. That's something that's not ever going to bother me. And, and just for her, to be honest, because that's the whole point of this experiment. Right. So you make that emotional connection and then you try to make it work after the fact with this person that you haven't seen.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Right.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

I think I reassured her many, many times after the fact that she was beautiful and you know, was going to make it try, but so that never came up ever after that. There was no insecurity surrounding about that. Are you not into me after that fact? Nothing. So that one sentence gave her an eating disorder, which if that's her lived experience, that's hers. Right. And I apologize if that, if that is the case, but it was incredibly wild for me to hear.

[Natalie Joy]

Have you ever had that convers just the two of you?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah, that's, that's what it was. It was that night in Mexico and then we laid it and that Was.

[Natalie Joy]

It so, I mean, like her, her talking about H creating an eating disorder. Had you ever talked about that? Have you ever apologized to her if that's the case?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

How could I apologize to her if I didn't know about it until. So it was. No, she. And then she came up to me, you know, at mile high and, and you know, we kind of chatted and, and she was still, still kind of angry about everything. And, and I was, you know, we were talking about comments and you know, sorry you're getting the one ones you're getting. She apologized the ones I'm getting. And I said, yeah, they don't really bother me. And she goes, well, I hope you listen to some of them because of your words and what you said. And I go, okay, yes, I will. But that was not the case I was making in any shame there. It's just something I probably just could have kept to myself. But if somebody asked me what I went for in the past and what they look like, I'm just going to be flat out honest and honest to a fault. So I did not mean to shame her in that. And, and if that's what she took from it, I am deeply sorry.

[Nick]

Well, thanks for answering that.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah, it was a little while, a little wild. So. Yeah, just interesting to hear a year and a half later. And I think, you know, she said, well, my phone was always open. Why didn't you text me about this and apologize? I, I didn't know about it. I didn't know that that was it throughout our whole relationship. I didn't know it was just that one conversation.

[Nick]

Yeah, I mean, you, you could have been like, well, now I'm wearing three and inch heels.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Hey, I'm not sure by any means.

[Natalie Joy]

But how tall are you? Like now I have to use a penis.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Oh, a true six foot.

[Mary]

Six foot.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

And then when you wear boots, you're like six, two. So there you go.

[Susie Evans]

And they live in Colorado, so I feel like. Probably wear boots a lot.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Yeah.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

I'm also from Montana, so it's, it's like I'm not. Billings, Montana.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Natalie Joy]

Are you a little bit of a cowboy?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

A fake cowboy? Probably. But I'll, I'll wear the gift. Get up, you know, so. Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Do you think your current girlfriend is the one?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

I, I think, I think so. Yeah. I think so. But hey, I'm not, you know, you've seen me in the past, so.

[Natalie Joy]

I.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

I say that now and then you see me.

[Susie Evans]

What is it about. I was gonna say, what is it about your current Girlfriend that makes you feel like there is longevity because the other two women, you were like, yeah, I kind of knew there wasn't anything. So what is different?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

No, I mean, like, I was like 22. 23. Yeah, 22 when I met my first, you know, long term relationship, you know, great person. She's married now, has a kid, much happier. Fantastic. I think she, you know, is. Is a beautiful soul as well. And so. But that. That's kind of what you learn, right? You go through and you. You start dating, you get engaged, you marry, you have kids. And I knew at a certain point that, like, I'm probably not bringing the best out of her. She's not bringing the best out of me. I think we're both not happy. And so she wanted to go through that with that. And I've seen a lot of divorce right around the world in my family, and that's not something that I wanted to go. Go through with. Right. It took me a lot longer, but yes. And then. So the second. Second one, it just was going to be the same thing. Gonna be the same thing. I could try. I could try. I could sacrifice on who I really am and. And mold myself in to fit her better, but I don't think that's the way it should be. I think I would have been unhappy, and I think she would have been unhappy. I think she's going to find a guy that's going to treat her right and let her be her in all the right ways. And so I hope that happens. And with Avery now, I think I am able to kind of be myself and happy, joyous and. And just, you know, I think I make her better as well. So I think back and forth that we're just a good. A lot better fit than the last two.

[Nick]

Well, thanks for. Thanks for saying, Joe, this has been a lot of fun, man. I appreciate you answering our questions and having some fun with us. Best of luck in the future in your relationship and just life in general, and wishing you nothing but the best.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Thank you so much, guys. I appreciate you having me on.

[Nick]

All right, take care, Joe.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yep. Bye.

[Mary]

He kind of looks like Jason Priestley from 9021 now.

[Susie Evans]

Just saying you have.

[Natalie Joy]

You didn't like him the whole season. Do you like him now?

[Mary]

He's definitely a lot more charming. Not watching him from an outside perspective.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

I'm with you. Porn staches are back. I know that they had a bad rap, but, like, people are bringing it back and it is hot.

[Susie Evans]

He looks.

[Mary]

He looks like Jason Priestley and Jacob Elordi had a baby.

[Susie Evans]

He looks like he'd wreck your life.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

And you know what I mean? You know what I mean.

[Whitney Levitt]

Is he the one I called Walmart Jacob Elordi, Maybe.

[Natalie Joy]

By the way, I like, I see why Madison kept going back to him, though. He's like.

[Susie Evans]

He's funny, that Riz, where it's like.

[Natalie Joy]

He just keeps you wanting to, like, go back, even though you know you shouldn't.

[Mary]

I know he lives in Denver, but he's from the east coast, right?

[Susie Evans]

He says Montana.

[Mary]

Montana. There's an accent from Montana. I need to get out. But, yeah, I was like. I was like, oh, my God. I love it. Because he seems like somebody you want to, like, go out and drink at the bar with after Boston.

[Nick]

Yeah, he does.

[Whitney Levitt]

Does give Boston.

[Natalie Joy]

He gives like. I don't give a. I think it's. Yeah, I think it's the Italian.

[Whitney Levitt]

Charming dirt bag energy.

[Miles Smith]

Yeah.

[Whitney Levitt]

I mean that as a compliment.

[Susie Evans]

Charming dirt bag energy. That's a great way to put it. Well, no, I'm not saying he's a dirt bag, but I mean, that is energy.

[Whitney Levitt]

Like, you know, like in. In New Girl. What's his. What's his name?

[Susie Evans]

Nick.

[Natalie Joy]

Nick from new 1000%.

[Susie Evans]

It's giving Nick. Charming, sweet.

[Mary]

But, like, have you changed these sheets.

[Susie Evans]

In the last month? Yeah, right.

[Whitney Levitt]

I don't know. That's my dream, you know.

[Nick]

That's one question I didn't ask him.

[Mary]

Do you change his sheets?

[Nick]

What? He and Jill, if you're listening, no disrespect, but he's kind of giving his. His mom did his laundry into his 20s.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Navy blue sheets.

[Whitney Levitt]

Navy blue sheets. Yes.

[Nick]

He's just a guy. He's just a boy.

[Susie Evans]

He's just a boy.

[Natalie Joy]

One corner of the room, one pillow.

[Mary]

Is the bed in the corner of the room or do you have navy.

[Natalie Joy]

Blue sheets and they're that Jersey material?

[Nick]

He's just a boy.

[Natalie Joy]

They're really pilled, you know.

[Mary]

Oh, my gosh.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

No.

[Whitney Levitt]

Head boys board insight. Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, anyways, staying on the Love Is Blind train, we do have Miles Smith, who just performed at the reunion and who is just popping off on the charts. Let's bring him in. There he is.

[Nick]

Miles, thanks for joining us. We loved your appearance on the reunion of Love is Blind. Also meet one of my members of the household.

[Whitney Levitt]

Hello.

[Nick]

She's a big Steelers fan. I'm a just big football fan. We enjoyed your half halftime performance.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Over in Ireland, man.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Which of those two kind of big moments for you was more Enjoyable or did you feel like a bigger response from.

[Miles Smith]

You know what? I think, like, the distance of Dublin to home is so much shorter than London to la, so it was really nice having it on my doorstep.

[Nick]

Yeah, it does pop in and out.

[Miles Smith]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Are you an American football fan at all, or is it mostly just soccer for. For you or. Neither.

[Miles Smith]

I sort of, like, sit and, like, watch American football with no idea what's happening. And, like, when people cheer, I cheer, so it's a good vibe. But, like, yes, soccer all day for me.

[Nick]

When you found out about the Love is Blind opportunity, where did you know about the show at all? Did you, like, was your team just like, hey, we got this cool opportunity for you? You're like, sure. Or like, did you realize just how big of a show it is, especially here in the States?

[Miles Smith]

You know what, it's one of those things that, like, periodically make their way through the group chat and it will be a clip from, like, Twitter or TikTok and, like, I'd seen some wild stuff. So when it. When it came to fruition that, like, I was going to be invited on the show, don't know if I could swear, but I was like, you can swear?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah.

[Nick]

The whole premise of love is blind. Like, do you think you could do something like that or, you know, because I always say that love is not blind for me. There's no way. Like, it's, It's. It's part of it, you know, Like, I want to see what that person looks like.

[Miles Smith]

Like, I mean, for me, I think love's like, partially blind, you know, it's like, yeah, you can figure your way around the room. But I think for me, it's like that show is like, it takes some real courage, you know, and some. Some real confidence to be able to do it. And I respect every single person that that goes on there and puts her heart on the line. But it's super scary, you know, like, you don't know who you're marrying. And that's wild.

[Natalie Joy]

Stargazing has been absolutely blowing up. It's everywhere. How has that been for you?

[Miles Smith]

It's been a wild sort of like two years, you know, I went sort of from, like, you know, being at home and, like, trying to figure out how I was going to make this music thing work. To sort of playing around the world multiple times, which has been super awesome. Just. Yeah. Being able to sort of travel the world, my best friends, like, four or five times in the last, like, year has been just absolutely unbelievable.

[Mary]

You make some amazing love songs. I personally have used them for my carousels for my engagement, so. Thank you. But what, like, what puts you in his headspace to be able to write such beautiful, like, love songs? Is it from your personal life? Is it just like, we have? What is your inspiration for these beautiful love songs?

[Miles Smith]

For me, it's like a mix and match. Yeah. From, like, personal life and experiences, but also, like, the people around me. You know, like some of my best friends is, you know, the last couple years they've got married or they've had kids or. Or, you know, seeing all of their journeys and seeing how they've, like, come to life has just been so inspiring and beautiful to watch and see. And so for me, it's like, I take inspiration from all around me. And yeah, it's just. Thanks for calling them beautiful. That means a lot.

[Natalie Joy]

Do your friends kind of come to you and be like, hey, listen, we're getting married. We need a first dance song. Could you come up with something for us?

[Susie Evans]

We need you to put out.

[Miles Smith]

It's usually like, hey, we're getting married. Like, please don't pull out your guitar at the wedding.

[Natalie Joy]

Do you ever do that?

[Mary]

You could pull out your guitar. Guitar at mine.

[Miles Smith]

Just saying, oh, I'm there, I'm there.

[Nick]

You recently just finished touring with Ed Sheeran. That's must have been a really cool experience. What was that like?

[Miles Smith]

Yeah, man. I mean, to be on tour, the. The best ginger in the world is something that you don't get to do every day. And, you know, I'm lucky enough to call him a friend, but no, what an experience, you know, like, I was never great at sport, so the fact that all my mates who are in sports, like I said, I've played in stadiums before. You just feel really. But yeah, no, to play to, you know, 50 to 100,000 people every night for like, four months of my life was something that I'll never forget. And, you know, luckily I get to do it all again next year in the US with him, so it should be a blast and hopefully see some of you guys down there.

[Natalie Joy]

Do you have any fun stories from Tor? Like, any fun anecdotal things that you and Ed did or you did before show or meeting someone?

[Miles Smith]

Yeah, I mean, Ed has a lot of famous friends, which is, like, super awesome. So, like, loads of, like, like, actors and football players and stuff would just appear backstage and I don't know, like, I'd honestly be there. Like, how the have I got myself in this situation? And just absolutely, like, loved every second of it. But also, you know, just the. The fun and the laughs along the way. Like, you sort of become roommates when you're together that long, you know, and. And you just have such great times and, you know, it's. It's is really awesome just to be able to go on the road with him and to be able to learn so much, but also just have so much fun behind the scenes. And yeah, he's a. He's a super fun guy.

[Nick]

Who is the most surreal celebrity you got to meet that you got pretty almost, like, surprisingly giddy about.

[Miles Smith]

I was lucky enough to be in the time 100 last year as like, 100 most influential people. I still think it's a mistake, but I somehow got in there. But that room was wild. There was like, Snoop Dogg, like, Serena Williams, Simone Biles, and like, I was so out of place. I was like, I'm definitely number 100 out of the 100 sequential, but I will take it. And that was that. I think Snoop Dogg for me, was pretty sick and like, yeah, I remember me being like, you're right. And he was just like, yeah. I was like, that's. That's my life made.

[Natalie Joy]

You released a song called river, and our daughter's name is River. What was kind of like your thought.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Process behind man, that's beautiful.

[Miles Smith]

Well, what an amazing name behind the song River. You know, I. Not to get too deep, but I went through sort of a lot of my own sort of of like, battles and struggles with sort of like mental health in, like, my early 20s and really was trying to figure out who I. Who I was and really trying to figure out life and, you know, vlogging too dark, like, if I even wanted to experience it, you know. And it was really a big moment in my life where a lot of people sort of like, helped me through that patch. And that song is almost me sort of like using their words and all the things that they'd say to me in that time to help me get through and put it in a song.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

And.

[Miles Smith]

And I felt like for me, it's like if I needed to hear those words, maybe someone else did. And so I put it into the song River.

[Nick]

We. One of our producers, husband's in the music business, and they gave us a little tea on you, it turns out. And maybe if this is wrong, I don't know. But you love Fireball the drink.

[Natalie Joy]

What's crosswired in your brain that makes you like Fireball?

[Nick]

That was like, so 10 years ago.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Oh, man.

[Miles Smith]

Oh, that's embarrassing, isn't It. You know what? I'd. I'd only gone to America for the first time, like four years ago now, and I remember I. I was. I think I was in Barney's Beanery in like, LA or something.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah.

[Miles Smith]

Sticky floors, karaoke.

[Susie Evans]

Oh, my gosh.

[Miles Smith]

And someone had handed me a shot of Fireball and, like, it was like my world had just opened up. And, yeah, I was like, I've never had this. I've got a headache the next day and my sugar's spiking. However, still stand by it. It's one of the best Asian things ever.

[Nick]

Wow. Put like some kind of like car oil in Fireball or like some crazy chemical.

[Whitney Levitt]

I don't know. It just reminds me of like a freshman in college.

[Susie Evans]

Good times.

[Nick]

Also, it says here you really like salmon. Was it like, were you in LA and like an all you can eat, you know, salmon buffet and like, you really made an impression on someone, though.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

That's good.

[Timothy Simons]

That's.

[Miles Smith]

I need to speak to Sim Dan and. And Jesse. I know that's come from there. Ye. I love. I love salmon. It's like, I don't eat meat and so it's the next best thing for me.

[Nick]

There you go. Yeah, it's a good fish. It's the least fishiest of fishes.

[Natalie Joy]

So you taught yourself to play guitar and piano at the age of 12? Why were you like, I am bored.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

I'm just bored.

[Miles Smith]

Yeah, no, for me, it's like, like I said before, I was really terrible at, like, sports and, like, I really didn't fit in when I was younger. I was like, not cool. I was either way too chubby and had loads of spots on my face or way too skinny and my head was too big for my shoulders. And so, you know, I found, like, myself in this situation where I was like, I couldn't really fit in. And so finding an instrument was almost like finding a friend. And I, you know, I didn't grow up with much money, so lessons weren't an option. So I sort of like, used books and stuff to. To figure out myself.

[Nick]

Well, you're very cool now. Yeah.

[Whitney Levitt]

If you were on a desert island and you can only take like, one song with you to listen the entire time you're on that desert island. What song?

[Nick]

One of his songs or. Any song.

[Whitney Levitt]

Any song, period. You can only listen to one song.

[Miles Smith]

Oh, definitely. Destiny Charles. I'm a Survivor.

[Susie Evans]

That's a good one.

[Nick]

Let's go. Miles, this has been so much fun. Thanks for taking the time, man. Congratulations on all your success. Don't forget about us when you are.

[Natalie Joy]

We'll be headlining.

[Nick]

Yeah, headlining all across the world, man. It I expect big things for you in the future. I mean you're already doing great things, but it seems like the sky's the limit, man.

[Miles Smith]

I super appreciate you guys. Hopefully see you guys at some shows next year.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

All right.

[Nick]

Appreciate you buddy. Talk to you later.

[Natalie Joy]

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[Natalie Joy]

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[Susie Evans]

So sweet, so kind, so sweet.

[Whitney Levitt]

I love him.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

I feel like love is blind. Reunions get the people that are going to like majorly blow up. You know what I mean? Like Alex Warren. They had Alex Warren, which he was already someone and then massively blew up like right after it.

[Whitney Levitt]

Same with Miles Smith. Already someone performing with Ed Sheeran and and the Steelers Vikings game.

[Mary]

And they find people who just write songs so beautifully about love.

[Nick]

Family oriented.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah, yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, we have to get into some recaps. We have Real Housewives of Potomac.

[Nick]

Potomac was wild this episode.

[Mary]

This was Salt Lake City.

[Whitney Levitt]

Oh my God. Yeah.

[Nick]

Let's start with Potomac.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, if you missed the most recent episode of the Real Housewives of Potomac, here is your rapid recap Stacy denies hooking up Chris Samuels. Talk about length. Talk about drama. Talk about Stones. Talk about Chris Samuels. Wendy was one time sexually attracted to a stripper with braces. Tia is more into Rachel Meadow type.

[Whitney Levitt]

The Rachel Maddow type.

[Nick]

That was crazy.

[Natalie Joy]

Tia is more into the Rachel Maddow type. If angel had to kill someone in the group, she would kill Giselle. Giselle is happy about this because it means she has a pulse. Giselle tried to backtrack the catfish comment and apologizes, but angel isn't really buying it. Wendy doesn't want to coddle angel and Kate because they're always bad, bad vibes. Wendy also doesn't think Ashley Darby has the vocal range to sing Roberta Flack. In other words, she's killing her softly with the song, but not in the way it was intended. Angel reveals that she was being cool and fun with the girls. That wasn't really her. That was her. Annoyed, Giselle has decided to be serious about finding a man. And it might be this new man. Stacy sends the best selfie ever taken by anyone asking for sex with me with her husband Timu.

[Whitney Levitt]

It's Teemo, but I wrote Timo.

[Nick]

Timo.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, on purpose.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

All right, Timu. He responds with, I think you have the wrong number. All time legendary Divalina, housewife alert. Stacy is the moment. Meanwhile, Wendy is getting sicky and doesn't want to work, but she can still bang on the drum all day. At dinner, angel wants to make sure she's not on the menu. She's not. She's just the appetizer. The main course is K. Apparently, her and Jazzy have beef, so the meal is not vegan. This is either a callback or foreshadowing. To Melissa. To Melissa, Gorga's wife. Swap episode, depending on where it lands and our recap. So just go with it, please. Dear household, we're not recapping it, but veganism. Yeah, I feel like it's another pile on on Stacy, which I'm getting tired of.

[Whitney Levitt]

Let the girl live.

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Angel is kind of giving Brittany Bateman. What about me? Like, not her. She constantly is, like, bringing up herself as, like, are we gonna do this again with me? Am I gonna be on the menu again? It's like, no, bitch, we forgot.

[Whitney Levitt]

But now you are.

[Natalie Joy]

Now we are.

[Nick]

I do think she kind of ate no p. Intended.

[Natalie Joy]

Ate with what?

[Nick]

When she was going confronting when Jazelle was apologizing to her. Because I do think this is a situation where you have Giselle, a single woman, and angel, who is happily married, and she was like, well, kind of like, at least I got a man. Because I feel like Giselle has a man.

[Natalie Joy]

Has a man.

[Whitney Levitt]

Football player guy.

[Nick]

But h. I mean, like, yeah, dating. She's dating. She's figuring out maybe she's with him now.

[Timothy Simons]

Maybe she's with him.

[Whitney Levitt]

Not a real wag yet.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Which also, Love Hotel was a dud. Just putting that.

[Mary]

There's also a fake ass apology. So that's what I was also proud of, too, that she was like, when she's got her little lackeys behind her, she's like, yeah, that doesn't look like you. You're fake.

[Nick]

I only say it just because, like, in the. If. If from a dating context, like on the dating apps or like, if you're out there, like, trying to meet people online, like, you deserve to be called out if you're presenting yourself as someone who, like, isn't what you're posting online, the Internet. On the flip side, if you're using your social media is a way to, like, I don't know, however you want it, like, and make yourself feel good about a time or set a goal for yourself, whatever it is. Like, if you're not trying to meet someone, if you're not representing yourself a certain way, then, like, you can post whatever the you want.

[Whitney Levitt]

One housewife getting on to another housewife about use of facetune. I'm like, come on, Jazzy.

[Natalie Joy]

Having the audacity to be like, yeah, Tia, you do too much. You do too much. And her being like, thank you. Like, no, no, Jazzy, you can't. That's. That's.

[Nick]

I love Tia. She's my absolute favorite on the show.

[Whitney Levitt]

Tia's awesome.

[Timothy Simons]

Tia.

[Whitney Levitt]

Tia being into Rachel Maddow is awesome.

[Natalie Joy]

But I think it is just fucked up that, like, angel did just have a baby and like, K said she's pumping on this trip and it's like, Bravo. A did her dirty by showing flashbacks of her on the red carpet and, like, pre baby. And then, like, trying to prove that, you know, we all look different after having a baby. You don't. That. And that's the most beautiful part about it, is that you're not who you once were. You are a new person. You're a mom. You're in this new phase of life. You look different. Embrace that. You look different. But for. For. For Giselle, who has children to come after her for, like, being this catfish who, to Nick's point, she's not trying to find a man. Like, and to Angel's point, she's like, my husband likes this. Loves it me. Sorry.

[Mary]

You know what her husband's probably not doing? Following her on Instagram and looking at every post that she's posting because she sees. He sees her every day.

[Nick]

Yeah. But I feel like Giselle's coming to this argument, like, as someone who, like, is out there still, like, you know, trying to make sure she looks good for the right person, you know, like.

[Mary]

And Angel's not your competition, so you don't need to call it out.

[Natalie Joy]

It's crazy. I do find angel annoying that she talks about Bobby all the time.

[Whitney Levitt]

Getting your wag.

[Natalie Joy]

Bobby's gonna set me at full 5,000 in to buy some artwork at the, at the little farmers market.

[Mary]

And to Giselle's point, it's like, yeah, no, these women take a lot of pride in being self made and having their businesses and being strong, independent women. So it's like, yeah, you don't need to flex that. Your husband sent you a little allowance to go shopping.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, it's like, is that for all.

[Mary]

Of us or, you know, because if.

[Natalie Joy]

You'Re, if you're talk about it, you.

[Mary]

Better be sharing it.

[Natalie Joy]

He's a football player.

[Susie Evans]

Sean Springs.

[Whitney Levitt]

Is that.

[Susie Evans]

Oh, Bobby.

[Whitney Levitt]

Bobby Massie is an American, former professional football offensive tackle. He played college football at Mississippi. He played for the Cardinals. He also played for the Bears and the Broncos. Yeah.

[Mary]

Where Was he a 10 year first starter or 10 year starter?

[Nick]

Curtis Samuels. I know he's. Curtis Samuels was very, very good.

[Natalie Joy]

Not Curtis, it's Chris.

[Nick]

Chris, him. Same. He's also really, really good.

[Whitney Levitt]

I do have a question. Have you guys seen Stacy's QVC videos?

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, my God. When it's the Merry Christmas and the I love you and she's like, imagine you with your girlfriends wearing this sweater that says I love you doing a photo shoot.

[Nick]

She was made for that.

[Natalie Joy]

And you love each other. Talk about lang, talk about lang, talk.

[Whitney Levitt]

About drama, talk about stones, talk about.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

It's called qvc.

[Natalie Joy]

Qvc.

[Whitney Levitt]

I would. Deborah Vance dead. Stacy.

[Natalie Joy]

Stacy.

[Whitney Levitt]

Stacy Roush you is it.

[Nick]

But the other women just don't fuck with her.

[Natalie Joy]

It is hard to watch. It's hard to just see them every single episode. And she handles it very well. Of just like I was gonna say.

[Mary]

That I think she's in on the bit as well. Because I'm like the, the sharing of the selfie with the husband and the response being like, I think you have the wrong number. Like, that's one thing I would have kept to myself. He loved it.

[Natalie Joy]

But I think that he's German.

[Mary]

He has a different sense of humor. I actually have to leave right now because I need to go video chat.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, no, I think that goes to show just like how comfortable she is that she's like, no, this is like his human. This is how he talks, you know, like to the point where she's like, why would I like, not. This is him. Like, this is an Ashley, of course, immediately runs to. To like talk shit, hate Stacy and be like, stop talking about me.

[Whitney Levitt]

I just think it's like in Timu. I know his name is not Timu, but I will be calling him Teemo. I know Timu is like. But like, that's some shit I was would do. Like, I think you have the wrong number. Like, that's funny. Come on. They can't do a bit.

[Natalie Joy]

It was funny.

[Whitney Levitt]

They can't do a bit. Ashley Darby.

[Nick]

It's giving. It's giving. They're jealous of her.

[Mary]

I was gonna say she's giving main character energy because everybody's talking about her.

[Nick]

And she, you know, Stacy is a very beautiful woman and it's giving. They're a little jealous that they're hating on the pretty girl, right?

[Mary]

That's so true.

[Nick]

Whether that's true or not, I don't know. But it's just like you guys are so.

[Natalie Joy]

I mean, they're all gorgeous, so it's like, sure.

[Nick]

But they're focusing on Stacy and picking on Stacy and it's giving. They're a little insecure about st. Why.

[Natalie Joy]

Do you think Britney gets picked on so much Bman? Maybe you think they're all jealous of her pretty girl? No.

[Nick]

Well, I mean.

[Whitney Levitt]

Oh, she is beautiful.

[Nick]

She is beautiful. But I think, you know that Britney's dating es like Britney's dating drama with.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, last season we had Stacy with tj, which I think was an easy.

[Nick]

Yeah, maybe. I think I'm new to Potomac so she's got a clean slate for me.

[Whitney Levitt]

I think what it is is both Stacy and Britney have massive theater kid energy and it's just really easy to pick on them. I think that's what it is.

[Nick]

She's a little silly. She's a little unserious.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, speaking of Britney, it was a jaw dropping, eyes glued to the screen episode of Salt Lake City.

[Susie Evans]

So good.

[Natalie Joy]

So good.

[Mary]

You know what? I never thought I would say one place I would want to be stranded is on a mega yacht.

[Nick]

Heather's really. This is Heather's season.

[Whitney Levitt]

She's doing.

[Nick]

She's doing the dad she doesn't give a about. She's like picking the right people. She is team Brawn now. You know, like, we love that she is fine. You know, you're really. She is no longer caring about what Lisa thinks.

[Mary]

No, I.

[Nick]

She is free to make her own choices and decisions.

[Whitney Levitt]

And what I really like is she's being super genuine about it. She's like, I'm not going to turn on Lisa. I'm just like, I want to actually be friends with you. And that involves being like, what the fuck are you saying right now?

[Susie Evans]

Right.

[Mary]

Well, that was the thing too, where she was like, she's kind of like.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, I like Bronwyn.

[Mary]

And I don't know why. I'm like, yes, because you're out of Lisa's ass.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, exactly.

[Mary]

That Bronwyn's actually a fun time.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, if you have no idea what we're talking about and you miss recent recent episode of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, here is your rapid recap. Bronwyn slept on the deck, presumably because she's anti unicorn and not because she hates Britney's beautifully silly guts. Lisa hopes everyone will apologize to her. Angie just hopes she can stop growing up.

[Mary]

Lisa.

[Natalie Joy]

Lisa also thinks Britney's crush on Captain Jason is disrespectful because he's not interested. God forbid a woman has hobbies. Lisa and Bronwyn then get into it because Lisa was talking shit on the lower level of the the yacht. Mary wishes Angie would throw up again so that they could go back to their bed. Alla paige disorbo. But thank God Angie is not in fact throwing up. She's confronting Lisa about spreading a rumor that Todd was making out with another woman while farting the entire time.

[Mary]

Grow.

[Susie Evans]

It's giving stinky old man.

[Timothy Simons]

I can't believe.

[Nick]

Are you picturing Todd farting right now?

[Natalie Joy]

A little flatulent.

[Susie Evans]

Say it.

[Natalie Joy]

I can't see.

[Nick]

I'm crying.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay. Bronwyn says Lisa is dead to her unless they're contractually obligated to film together. Mary is clocking that Meredith isn't standing on business when it comes to defending Lisa. So is Lisa, for that matter. Mar also thinks Meredith is being snooze fest. Meredith would like to be excluded from this narrative, but don't worry, she's just warming up. Heather has decided to like Bronwyn and is really enjoying it. Brittany face plants in the sand while necking off her drink. Also, Angie really can't catch a break because after Bronwyn gets her to put on an inflatable Seahorse costume. She slams her hand in the door and starts gushing blood. Truly, what did our girl do to deserve this? And then it's zombie night for dinner. Incredible outfits all around. Tonight, Lisa promises once again that she will never bring up Todd. And she's really serious about it this time, you guys. She promises. Britney is now the one throwing up. So naturally she drinks more tequila. Meredith thinks that's gross. So Britney tells her she saw a tick tock about Seth's possible indiscretions. Oh, hopefully Meredith wasn't already pre eating and her scary British accent doesn't come out spoiler alert. It does. Seth does not have a mistress he didn't bring. Please, Natalie. Xxx Then she says Brittany is a liar and a malicious, despicable person. The display of casual cruelty by the girls once again drives Captain Jason away from the dessert table. But the zombie ice cream cake was delish, according to Heather. And that's the episode this episode was.

[Nick]

It was a lot episode for Meredith and Lisa.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah, yeah, we don't need to talk about. We can talk bad about Lisa.

[Natalie Joy]

No, the fact that Bronwyn is literally, literally like, we need to stop going after the husbands. And not 30 seconds later, Britney's like.

[Mary]

Well, I saw TikTok about let me.

[Nick]

Let me defend Britney. And like, was that too far? Of course she should not have done it.

[Whitney Levitt]

Meredith said was, why are you drinking tequila immediately?

[Natalie Joy]

Which honestly was a valid question.

[Mary]

I had the same question.

[Nick]

She asked the question. When it comes to Britney, Meredith's a bully. She just is. She. She tries to bully Britney.

[Natalie Joy]

Brittany said she has seizures.

[Nick]

Yeah, she is. Britney's retaliating to these women. Women just being mean to her.

[Whitney Levitt]

Okay, well, Meredith, like Britney saying Meredith.

[Natalie Joy]

Has seizures is crazy.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

You know what it's giving is? It's giving little girl. It's Mary's relationship with Whitney around season one and two where it was like, Meredith sees Britney as like a little girl. So anytime she does anything, she's like, shut up. Like, don't talk.

[Nick]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. But finally, like, I think Britney's just kind of tired of it and fighting back. And like, she definitely goes for the jugular, but like, you know, you're treating her like a little girl and Britney's acting in kind like, all right, well I'm just gonna be the 10 year old that you think I am and I'm just gonna say the meanest, most hurtful thing. But like, if they let, if they just, if all they did was treat Britney just Like a normal person. Britney would be the nicest person to everyone. That was why I bring Meredith for it. Because like Britney doesn't want. Brittany just wants to be. She wants to be kind to people.

[Whitney Levitt]

But that's the beauty of Brittany Bateman on the show is that they're not.

[Nick]

Going to be nice to her. Fine. But I'm just saying like Meredith merit. It's Meredith's fault that accusation came out.

[Natalie Joy]

I don't know, I, I disagree wholeheartedly. You can like this. The group of women, they've agreed. Let's not. Britney doesn't like it when she is taught. When she's. When they're talking about Jared and her sucking a lot of dick or whatever the fuck with Jared, they don't like it, but she doesn't like it. So then how come when they literally all agree like kids and spouses are off limits guys, we have to stop coming out after them. And to literally have Meredith be like, why are you drinking tequila after you just threw up?

[Whitney Levitt]

I don't know. Why are people making tiktoks about Seth?

[Natalie Joy]

Literally it's like, oh well I guess if you want to talk about me drinking tequila we can talk about Seth's indiscretions that I saw on Tik Tok. You didn't see it. It's everywhere.

[Nick]

Why they treat mary like a 10 year old and they want her to be the bigger person.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Britney, Brittany.

[Nick]

No, Britney.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Definitely both are true. Because it's like why is Meredith nagging about the tequila? I thought you said you weren't talking to Britney. Don't talk to Brittany.

[Natalie Joy]

But then for Meredith to be like, I would say that to anyone.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

No you wouldn't. But Meredith has a point too where she's like, should we talk about all the trolls on everybody? It's like there's troll comments and they're just like legitimate things. And that's why I respect.

[Nick]

It was definitely. It was a low blow. Britney.

[Natalie Joy]

I just like Meredith's fault that Britney gave her a low blow. I think regardless. I think regardless Britney was going to pull that card out at some point in this season. She showed it to Whitney before Meredith ever came at her.

[Whitney Levitt]

And Whitney was like, that's bullshit. We're not going to talk about Jesus.

[Nick]

Jesus. Arming herself up because she knows they're going to be like knocking her down.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

I just want to know how do they have WI Fi in the middle of the ocean? Because I thought about this, I was.

[Mary]

Like scrolling on Tik Tok. It's a mega yacht. It's like having a hotel on the ocean. They.

[Nick]

They have a big set of.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Maybe if they're.

[Whitney Levitt]

They're. They're shooting an episode of tv. I would imagine they have WI fi.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Natalie Joy]

Yes, they do. Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

Plus the FaceTime calls.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

They're like, we need. We need the Wi Fi.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

FaceTime calls. I was like, where are y' all at?

[Nick]

Mary's commentary about, like, not knowing what's more offensive, the farting or the kids.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah, that was amazing. Funny also, like, I really just give, like, old. I feel like that's, like. That's half of it. It's like, they're really just, like, pointing at his age that he was, like, farting while making out.

[Mary]

That's why I think it's bullshit, too, because I like Lisa. You went for Bronwyn with gout. Gout, dick sucker. If you had this in your arsenal, you would have used it. So that was a. Spreading a rumor to hurt Bronwyn down the line.

[Natalie Joy]

And then not her being like, talking to Meredith, being like, don't ever trust Angie with anything because she's gonna. And Angie been like, no, don't talk about your friends. That's the point of this. Who?

[Nick]

Lisa's face when Angie called her out was awesome.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

She kind of. That's her version of admitting she did it.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

And she was like, her.

[Natalie Joy]

Tells her.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

She's like, you're right. I did say that.

[Whitney Levitt]

Well, it's also, like, speaking of, like, Lisa and Meredith, it's just the one thing. I'm a Meredith defender through and through. But the one thing I don't get is, like, why are you friends with Lisa?

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Whitney Levitt]

Like, I don't. And I know she's always like, I don't know why people like to question our friendship. And it's like, it's because it doesn't make any sense the way she was treated you. Like, when you guys woke up in the morning, she was like, I don't like that you didn't defend me. And Meredith was like, I did in my own. In my way. You know me well enough now by now to know that I'm gonna lawyer my way out of this shit and also kind of defend you while doing it and staying out of the drama until I go nuclear.

[Mary]

Well, how did you feel about Mary kind of jumping on Lisa's bandwagon with Meredith saying, you don't say anything.

[Nick]

I think Meredith hates Meredith.

[Mary]

Mary hates Meredith.

[Whitney Levitt]

That hurt my feelings.

[Natalie Joy]

Anything that comes out of merit. Mary's mouth is chef's kiss gold. Put it in a treasure chest.

[Whitney Levitt]

It was awesome.

[Natalie Joy]

Let's save it for oh, And I.

[Mary]

Love that Mary has no problem ending a conversation. And, like, she's just like, I will say the most hurtful thing if you will get up and get out of my face. And I don't feel bad.

[Natalie Joy]

She's like, you need to come up with a story because you're a snooze because you're boring.

[Whitney Levitt]

And I was like, let her cook.

[Natalie Joy]

Let her come up with a story.

[Whitney Levitt]

She will.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

I appreciate Meredith's presence this season. I think you need the one that reacts dramatically out of nowhere.

[Nick]

I appreciate all their presence, all of them.

[Mary]

I was like, angie, right now, like, gold star throwing up the first one, slamming her hand in an inflatable. Like, Connor and I were watching, like, this poor woman.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

No, her hand, when it started bleeding.

[Susie Evans]

I was like, it's serious.

[Natalie Joy]

I think it's bad.

[Mary]

I think she broke it. And then he's like, is that blood also? Oh, my God, it is.

[Whitney Levitt]

Why was my slasher movie low key? Realistic.

[Mary]

They did the same thing, but it was like, oh, my God, they stole Mary's idea.

[Whitney Levitt]

I was like, okay, Shed Media, are.

[Nick]

You watching for all the Lisa Stans out there? Are you a Lisa Stan? Because, like, you're a Lisa Lisa, or do you dislike her on your TV screen?

[Mary]

I would love to know.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

I said something last week that Nick said that's concerning. When I said, I think Lisa's just my spirit animal. Oh, I guess that's concerning. And I was like, no, I'm not Lisa. But, like, I would love to reciprocate her energy.

[Mary]

Sometimes that's what I want someone to call in with a hot take about is like, if you're a Lisa Stan, why. And, like, why should that change our minds?

[Nick]

No, I. I honestly was, like, before I watched it, I was like, you know, I want to mix it up. I want to just, like, find the good in people. And so I was gonna, like, like, I'm. I'm gonna do nothing but compliment Lisa Barlow.

[Timothy Simons]

This episode.

[Nick]

I'm just gonna look for things.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Susie Evans]

How'd that go?

[Nick]

Impossible.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

She owned up to it at least once this episode.

[Whitney Levitt]

She did.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Mary said, good job.

[Whitney Levitt]

Hardly.

[Susie Evans]

Do you think she'll stand by it?

[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

Like, I.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

She did it, though.

[Nick]

Listen, I don't know who she is in real life.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

I am kind of a Lisa Stan. I've always said that I stand the whole cast, but I do love Lisa.

[Nick]

She's great tv.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah. I think the show is boring without her.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

100%. She's great television. Not a good friend.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

I do respect someone. Well, if you're going to come for me, I'm going to come back, like, regardless of that.

[Mary]

Out of it. Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

That's the whole point of Angie being like, we're at this dinner where you're literally like, I love you guys no matter what. Like, we'll get through it. Even when we fight, I love you guys. And then to be like, oh, my God, by the way, I saw. Like, I heard that Todd was.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

And that's where I say, I love her. But also, I'm like, you use your power for wrong, Lisa.

[Natalie Joy]

And also what she should have done was after that dinner when she met up with Bronwyn and they agreed to stop talking, she should have been like, hey, by the way, like, I did tell Angie this room where last time we were at this dinner, it might come out, so. But that's just not who she is. She's incapable of doing that.

[Mary]

And I do appreciate Todd's commentary back about it, too, where he was just kind of like, I don't understand why I'm becoming a punchline, because that also.

[Natalie Joy]

Made me sad that, like, that he was proved right. Like, I wanted Bronwyn to be able to, like, call Todd and, like, vent to him about what's going on, but I knew Todd would be like, well, I told you so. And.

[Mary]

But, I mean, at the same time, to his point, like, it's like, why is it about me now? Now I'm out making out and farting with people. Like, what?

[Whitney Levitt]

What.

[Mary]

What did I do to deserve this?

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah.

[Mary]

When I the out of it and have to sit and have ice cream with you while you cry at me, being mad at me for stealing your cherries.

[Whitney Levitt]

One foot in the grave and another on the banana peel.

[Nick]

You know, we'll see if they make it to shore next week.

[Natalie Joy]

Well, continuing with great television, we have Timothy Simons from Nobody Wants this. A gem of a human being and a great conversation. He's up next.

[Nick]

Tim, welcome back to the show.

[Timothy Simons]

Thanks for having me back. This is exciting. There are more people here.

[Nick]

More people? Yeah. Tim was on five years ago.

[Natalie Joy]

Was it like a charity case you were doing, like, did you have, like, my.

[Timothy Simons]

My appearing on the show was a charity by. By letting us appear?

[Nick]

No, I was really excited. It was, you know, it was definitely before I knew what, like, the Vile Files was, you know, figuring itself out. It was young. It was early in its day. You know, it was going through puberty.

[Natalie Joy]

Yes.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

And I was just a big fan of Tim from Veep.

[Natalie Joy]

Yes.

[Nick]

And so I was like, yeah, bring them on. I don't even know what the fuck we talked about.

[Timothy Simons]

I think it was broadly because Matt Walsh and I did a podcast together, and at that point it was a Veep rewatch, and now it's something different. We were talking like a off mic and was like, you know, that was something we started doing during the pandemic, like, back when nobody could do anything. And so everybody said, let's start a podcast. And Walsh and I did that and still going, but in a different format. But that's. That was broadly why. Why we were there.

[Nick]

It was a good time for me.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But now. Now you're on a hit new show. Nobody wants this.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And we. We are big fans. We are. We're deep into season two.

[Timothy Simons]

Nice.

[Natalie Joy]

We had Jackie Tone. Season one.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Timothy Simons]

Oh, great.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Natalie Joy]

Lovely.

[Timothy Simons]

Jackie is incredible.

[Natalie Joy]

She is a gem of a human being.

[Timothy Simons]

She is. And also has an amount of energy at all times. That is wild.

[Natalie Joy]

Have you seen the photo of her dog's tooth that looks like a mitten? A snow mitten?

[Timothy Simons]

Yes.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Natalie Joy]

So she shows that to everybody.

[Timothy Simons]

I. I've seen so many pictures of her dog. Also, her dog's name is Glenn, and I, like, look, I love dogs. I'm a dog person. I have a dog. But also, I would say, like, one. Once every three weeks, I just send, like, a bunch of text messages to the cast thread making fun of Glenn because his ears are really big. And so I'm just like, all right, like, you know, I'm just gonna, like, go on a bunch of ear jokes about a dog. Nobody's ever laughed at them, but I like doing it.

[Mary]

Are you just doing them back to back?

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah, just back to back. Yeah.

[Nick]

The show is so much fun. I really particularly like your and Jackie's character and is how you guys, you know, portray a married couple who's been married for a long time and going into the ups and downs and the grind of a marriage and the way you guys are able to portray that in a. In a. In a charming way, you know, because it's also very realistic and very normal for couples to feel what your characters are feeling. And it's. It's. I really enjoy when you guys are on the screen. It's like a really great. You know, obviously you have Kristen and.

[Natalie Joy]

And Adam.

[Nick]

Adam and their character, obviously being the stars of the show, but I'm really enjoying, you know, your guys's storyline throughout the, you know, season Obviously in, like, in season two, you guys are figuring out whether you want to have kids or not again. And. And that all like, what, what, you know, I don't know. What's your relationship status are you in?

[Timothy Simons]

I'm married.

[Nick]

You're married?

[Timothy Simons]

Married for 17.

[Nick]

17 years. So, yeah. I mean, how much, like, when you and Jackie, are you just going off the script? But, like, how. How do you guys have such kind of chemistry that. That you have on screen?

[Timothy Simons]

It's a good question. I mean, Jackie is somebody who, like, you know, you guys met her. She's someone that's sort of easy to have chemistry with. Yeah, I like that sort of. I don't know, man. That seems like a. Like a. A question I don't even know if I'm capable of answering because, like, it just kind of feels like chemistry is, in a way, kind of accidental. I don't think you can really plan for it. Like, I don't think you could have really planned for, like, Adam and Kristen to have as much chemistry as they do. I think we all just got really lucky that we all, you know, Justine, same deal, like, kind of just all got lucky that we have that much chemistry. But that thing when I think it's something that kind of revealed itself when you're talking about, like, the relationships part of it, because so much of the first season is the beginning of a new relationship and like, that sort of, like, all encompassing, like, adrenaline fueled almost God, like, first kiss kind of stuff. And in the second season planned, but also in some way by accident, like, you're kind of looking at a relationship at its very beginning and not necessarily at its very end, but like, much further into it when it's like, I don't know. I mean, like, I don't know what your statuses are, but, like, you know, like, the 1700 kiss is like, not as magical as the first one. You know what I mean? Like, that's just.

[Nick]

It was kissing this morning was like the first time.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, thank you so much, honey. How much improv do y' all get to do? Like, are you able to play around much?

[Timothy Simons]

We are it. Like, there's not like, a lot of improvisation. Like, we shoot really, like, we shoot really fast. We shoot really fast and we have to get a lot of stuff done. So there aren't a lot of. There aren't like a lot of, you know, you hear story like Veep specifically. Like, we have a sort of, you know, a very heavily scripted show, but we had a rehearsal process that had a lot of improvisation and there was always the idea that we were going to take a scene. We were like, go back to the beginning of a scene. And in those first four years, Armando would say, just hit all the major beats of this scene, but don't use the same words. And we would just kind of figure out how to make our way through that scene. You just kind of like, whatever. I won't go on about that. But this is a much more tightly scripted, and I would say that the improvisation is less about trying to find, like, a. An incredible joke as it is a little bit more, like, interstitial. A little bit more juji, A little bit more, like, well, okay, how do we make this sound a little bit more conversational? Yeah, stuff like that. And definitely, like, the writers are collaborative in that way, so it's not like somebody's coming as scripty isn't coming up and, like, pointing to the thing being like, you missed it, you know?

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Timothy Simons]

And if we have stuff that's like, this feels weird coming out of your mouth, they'll. They'll move it around. But we don't do. You know, you hear about, like, you know, Mike Scher, who did the Good Place and who did. Who's a writer on the Office. For a long time, there was always that idea of, like, okay, now we're doing one for fun. Like, we don't really do one for fun on this show because it doesn't really serve what we're trying to get to, if that makes sense.

[Natalie Joy]

It does seem very, like. Like meeting Jackie. That is her character, you know, like, it feels like it's very written for, honestly, everyone. And I mean, like, do you. How much of you do you feel like is in Matt?

[Timothy Simons]

You know, weirdly, not. Not a lot outside of. I think they're like. When it comes to, like, character specifics, we don't overlap a lot, but I feel like worldviews.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Timothy Simons]

And I overlap a lot. You know, especially in the second season. I don't know how far you guys are in, but, like, you know, maybe this is too revealing of me, but a little bit, like, sort of go along, get along and. And not really talk about anything until it all kind of blows up. Like, maybe that's like, a worldview thing of, like, trying to, like, like, learn incompetence. That's a world I fit into pretty well about, like, how can I stay on the fringes and not get incompetent trouble? But also, like, you know, I want to have Tuesdays off. You know what I mean? How can I, like, live a life where I have most Tuesdays off.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I can't help but notice you have your hair highlighted.

[Timothy Simons]

I do. It's. Yeah, it's blonde right now.

[Nick]

Is this, like, for a character or is this for fun?

[Timothy Simons]

It was for fun.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Timothy Simons]

We were going. We. The show, got nominated for an Emmy, which is very cool. And we got to go. And I've done a lot. I've done, like, a lot of, like, black tuxedos before. And so, like, generally, I would say, like, I've been trying to have more fun. Fun when it comes to that type of thing. And it truly was, like, I don't know. I think it'd be fun to dye my hair blonde. And then I did it, and it turned out it was fun. And. And then, like, we just went on like, a big, like, press tour around, like, the premiere of the show, and I got it redone for that, and now I think I'm just gonna let it grow out. But no, it was literally just like.

[Nick]

And. And then the mullet as well. Is that also part of the.

[Timothy Simons]

That was just a haircut I really, like, liked. And I mean, like, you guys, like, when I. With the first season of the show, I remember thinking that, like, this guy was probably going to be a lot. I kind of assumed he would be a little bit more conservative than he ended up being and, like, a little bit more of a straight arrow. And then on, like, the first costume fitting, our costume designer, whose name is Nagar Ali Klein, she had this idea of doing that, like. Like, the. The reference pictures that she brought in were, like, shy LaBeouf and. And Jonah Hill, like, that sort of like. Like, la expensive streetwear scumbag thing. And. And it, like, just immediately I was like, that's incredible. That's so fun. And so the mullet was kind of like a. Oh, shit, I should have had a haircut like that for the first season, and I didn't. And so, like, let's just do it for the second season. People get haircuts.

[Nick]

I thought it was great because they don't. Almost like, my. My wife had me do the mullet for a while.

[Timothy Simons]

So fun.

[Nick]

It's fun. And it's like. You know, I think at our. Our age in life, there's always the risk people will tell us that we're going through a bit of a midlife.

[Timothy Simons]

Crisis, but, oh, yeah, I've gotten that comment a couple times.

[Nick]

And even, you know, Matt's character kind of gives. Like, he's at that stage of life where he's just like, kind of trying things out where it's just like, yeah, we. When I get older, I'm kind of like, who says I can't do this? You know, you kind of, like, you try. You want to. You know, people call it a midlife crisis. I just say I'm staying young, you know?

[Natalie Joy]

I mean, speaking of haircut, what happened with your audition for Veep with a questionable haircut? Did that.

[Timothy Simons]

Did I have a questionable haircut?

[Natalie Joy]

It says that we need to ask you about it.

[Timothy Simons]

Oh.

[Natalie Joy]

Is what I've heard.

[Timothy Simons]

Did I have a questionable haircut?

[Natalie Joy]

Do you remember your audition for Veep?

[Timothy Simons]

I do. I mean, I think I probably just had.

[Natalie Joy]

You're like, I thought I looked good. It was my normal haircut.

[Timothy Simons]

Thought I looked pretty great.

[Natalie Joy]

What I've had for the last four years.

[Timothy Simons]

I mean, like, I would. I am in no way gonna stand by my haircut at that time. Like, you know, I was a. Like, I was a broke. I had whatever cheap ass haircut I could find. I have. I did have to shave my head for the show. I'm trying to remember.

[Natalie Joy]

Was that, like, jarring for you? Have you ever seen your head bald before that moment?

[Timothy Simons]

No, not like, down to the skin. And my kids are pretty young, and they didn't like it. They were like, this isn't. We don't like this. No. My haircut for the audition, I actually can't remember. I just. I do remember being nervous about everything. Oh. I did, like, sort of intentionally awkwardly style my hair in a way of, like, trying to do, like, character separation from me and Jonah and of just being like, I parted it the wrong, like, opposite how I would normally do it. Like, I parted it the other way so that it would just all seem a little bit wrong.

[Natalie Joy]

Do they appreciate it? Appreciate that about you, or did it.

[Timothy Simons]

I don't think they noticed. I don't think they ever noticed. I think I was overthinking everything.

[Whitney Levitt]

What was your favorite Jonah haircut you had?

[Timothy Simons]

Weirdly, somebody. You know how it was, like, daylight saving time over the weekend? This is like, now every year. Well, twice a year, I guess. Like, I will get a lot of things on the Internet that are like, that will correct daylight savings to daylight saving because of that Kent line of it not being plural or possessive. But, like, somebody just texted me a picture that apparently there's, like, a video billboard that has me on it saying it's daylight saving time. It's, like, up there right now. And I didn't know this was happening, but I Guess this. The only reason I'm bringing this up is somebody sent me that picture this morning and I was like, you know, I kind of like that hair when it was like growing out from being shaved, you know, and it was just like a little bit like a buzz cut. I was like, maybe I should do that.

[Natalie Joy]

And then though, at every corner.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

How old are your kids now?

[Timothy Simons]

They're 13, about to be 14. We have twins. Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Boys, girls?

[Timothy Simons]

One of each.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, One of each.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Wow. How is twins in the early stage?

[Timothy Simons]

Oh, it's a nightmare.

[Natalie Joy]

Nightmare.

[Timothy Simons]

It's like a full on nightmare. Do you guys have kids the same?

[Nick]

We have one.

[Natalie Joy]

We have one.

[Nick]

We're working on 21 month old girl growing the family. Not too long ago, Natalie's doctor informed her that if we would try this particular particular month, would. That there would be a high chance of twins.

[Natalie Joy]

She, like, had just coincidentally gave me an ultrasound and like saw like, oh, you have two follicles that would drop and you would have twins this month if you were to try. And Nick and I were like, well, well.

[Nick]

But it was like a weird. It was a weird thing just knowing that.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, yeah. Just be like, do we like, having the choice was.

[Nick]

It was like a weird.

[Timothy Simons]

What a beautiful thing it would be. I can't imagine having a child and also having twins. Like, twins itself is hard. It's. It's hard. It's. It's like you're just kind of trying to survive to the end of the day. There's like, you know, if you have one there, it's like, oh, there. It's like, oh, it's so beautiful. And you read books to them. You know, you carry. You can like really get in there with twins. It's just like, how do we survive this?

[Natalie Joy]

And what did y' all do?

[Timothy Simons]

We barely survived.

[Nick]

I mean, like, I don't remember. I blacked out.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah, yeah. Like a truly, like a. A true blackout situation. I love them and they're incredible. But no, like, having two babies at the same time is very hard.

[Natalie Joy]

Are they. Can you see, like, they have the twin telepathy. Like, have you been able to see that at all?

[Timothy Simons]

That's more identical.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, is it? Okay?

[Timothy Simons]

It's more for identicals. Every once in a while we'll catch little glimpses of it, but that might be nurture, not nature. And I don't know. There is one thing that I remember, like, one of the funny things from when they were kids was that like our son, everything sort of verbal he did first and everything physical, our daughter did first. And Marty, our son, is, like, had, like, a lot of words. He was a very, very big talker. And we were, like, trying to encourage our daughter, Hopper, to talk. And, you know, we. So we would ask questions, you know, trying to get her to talk, and then Marty would answer it, and we'd be like, oh, no, no, Marty, we're asking Hopper. And Hopper would just kind of gesture in the morning.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Like.

[Timothy Simons]

He just answered it. Like, why? I'm not going to say it now. Like, you have the information.

[Natalie Joy]

They're working together.

[Nick]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you collect Blu Rays?

[Timothy Simons]

I do. Thank God you asked. Thank God it's still a thing.

[Susie Evans]

Tell us about it.

[Natalie Joy]

How are you finding them?

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Yeah, I used to collect also to give you.

[Natalie Joy]

I'm here with you.

[Whitney Levitt]

Physical media baby.

[Timothy Simons]

Physical media baby. This is. This has become a thing that I did. It was during the pandemic, and I think I missed. I think I, like, missed. There are a lot of reasons, of all of which I'm going to tell you. God, your audience is going to hate everything I'm about to say. This is going to be amazing. I think there's that idea of, like, you buy something on itunes, you don't actually own it. You own it as long as Apple has the license to be able to stream it to you after having purchased. Missed it.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

True.

[Timothy Simons]

I missed the idea of. And this is also. It goes back to when I was a kid. Like, the. The movies that were, like, on the shelf in the TV room, like, they had, like, this level of importance.

[Nick]

Oh, yeah. Go to someone's house and they have a whole, like, DVD display. You're like, oh, my God. You have so and so, like, yeah.

[Timothy Simons]

And it means, what is it. What is it about that that made that important to you? And so I. So that was. That was. Was in there. I think there are a lot of things of, like, picture quality and sound quality, especially as somebody who considers themselves, like, a little bit of, like, a connoisseur of those of movies and tv. Like, all of those things are just a lot better. I also generally have, like, a little bit of a collector vibe. And I. I don't know. Like, I also, like, like, niche nerd stuff. When I first started, I went to a. I was on a job in Atlanta, and I found, like, this Palm pawn shop on the north side of Atlanta that had, like, an insane collection, and everything was $2. And so I was in there, like, every week.

[Natalie Joy]

And you pay the extra 100 bucks for your suitcase to get Back.

[Nick]

I do.

[Timothy Simons]

Like, I. I was like, oh, my God. Like, I am now at the point I'm gonna have to, like, send boxes.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, wow.

[Timothy Simons]

And then it just sort of, like, led me into a whole, like, little underworld of doing it.

[Natalie Joy]

Has your wife been supportive of this?

[Timothy Simons]

Incredibly supportive. However. However, last week, week one showed up. One showed up, like, and there have been times where, like, you know, Criterion has, like, twice yearly sales. We're out, like, where maybe like, 10 will show up. And there was this thing, like, I opened one and she just went, we have a lot of those, huh? And I was like, oh, no. Like the actual straw that broke the camel's back.

[Natalie Joy]

What movie was it?

[Timothy Simons]

It was a. Oh, my God. It's a movie I haven't even seen, but. But was recommended. I did every year. I do, like, a podcast with Fennesee and Chris Ryan and Tracy Letts over at the Big Picture, and it was one that was recommended by Tracy Letts. It was, I think, a Harrison Ford movie called Rampage that they had just remastered in 4K or whatever. And so I was like, oh, I'm gonna pick that up. So I haven't even seen it. Like, the one that might.

[Nick]

I do love Harrison Ford.

[Timothy Simons]

Oh, my God, he's incredible. Be wrong about Harrison Ford. I don't know if you want to help me out on that. I haven't seen the movie. And that one might be like. She was just. We got a lot of these, huh?

[Nick]

You're on a desert island. You can only pick three of your DVDs or Blu Rays.

[Timothy Simons]

Blu Rays.

[Natalie Joy]

Thank God, Blu Rays.

[Nick]

Which ones do you take?

[Timothy Simons]

This is what a great question, and I'm so glad you asked it. I think Inside Llewyn Davis is going to be one of them Coen brothers movie with Oscar Isaac Sorcerer, which is, I think, my favorite movie. It's William Friedkin movie about trying to move unstable dynamite across Colombia. I actually don't know the country. El Salvador. It's sort of like these, like. Favorite movie, huh?

[Nick]

It's your favorite movie?

[Timothy Simons]

It is my favorite movie. I just can't remember the country. Ooh, and what's the third one? Third one? I've got like a. Some weird. Probably. Probably like a. Like a Michael Mann. Like a. Like a thief. Like a Michael Mann thief kind of vibe. I think would be the. Those would be the three. I love that question. Thank you.

[Natalie Joy]

Is there a certain role that you'd love to play that might shock people?

[Timothy Simons]

Oh, I feel pretty lucky that I've been able to do a bunch of different stuff, obviously. Like, the. The stuff that I'm most well known for is very much on the comedy side. And I started in, like, doing, like, indie theater in Chicago, and I feel like in that world, everything sort of mixes together. You have, like. I don't know. When I came to la, there was, like, this very much this thing of, like, it's either, like, comedy or drama, and, like, that's very hard for those two things to mix. And I feel like. I feel like I've been pretty lucky and able to, like, being able to jump back and forth in between things, but I'm, like, a really big, big fan of, like, scumbag La Noirs, so, like, that kind of thing.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah. Like, I like La Noire detective stories.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Timothy Simons]

Like, centered on people who are not really good people, but you kind of cheer for them. Yeah, that's. That. That would maybe be simpler.

[Natalie Joy]

I mean, speaking of your theater days, is there any, like, underrated skill that you felt like you learned from your theater theater days?

[Timothy Simons]

Oh, from my theater days.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Timothy Simons]

Ah, from the theater days. I don't. Everyone. Good question. Good question. I'm gonna. So the one that's coming to mind was actually just from last year. I had to do, like, an indie movie in Vegas where I had to play, like, a, like a, Like a whipped, addicted, like, past his prime magician. And I got to, like, go down, like, three days early and, like, work with a guy. His name was Magic Nick, and Magic Nick was great. And we spent, like, three days, you know, practicing whippets.

[Whitney Levitt]

Like, practicing whippets.

[Nick]

Is that the, like, the.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah. Like, I think in the old days, you would just have the cracker and it would, like, blow up the balloon. But now I feel like people are doing. Kids these days are now doing out of, like, that Starbucks whipped cream.

[Miles Smith]

Yeah.

[Whitney Levitt]

You get, like, a canister. I haven't done whippets. I just used to work at Starbucks.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. ME thinks the lady does protest too much about doing whipping. I don't do these things.

[Mary]

I don't get. If I were to. This is how I would do it.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah. I just know all of the delivery systems.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Timothy Simons]

So I, I got to spend, like, three days working with Magic Nick because, like, script wise, it literally just said he, like, pulls flowers out of his sleeve. And I was, like, basic.

[Nick]

Is that all he does?

[Timothy Simons]

That's. But I was like, I, I. I feel like there's the thing of, like, you. I've been in positions before where you show up to set and you're prepared for the. The thing that they ask you to do, and you are not prepared for, like, the thing that should lead up to that, and then you're, like, scrambling. And this was an indie movie, and the last thing you want is to, like, show up on set and then be like, oh, we got to figure then you're wasting their time, and they don't have a big budget or whatever. And so I just spent, like, three days working with Magic Nick on, like, a bunch of. We basically, like, worked out a magic show.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, he shared his magic tricks.

[Timothy Simons]

He didn't give me the big stuff, but, like, he taught me a lot about misdirection. He taught me sort of, like, you know, never crossing the line, all of those things. But when I got back, I could, like, I could make a flower appear out of a handkerchief. I could make a coin appear out of nowhere.

[Nick]

Do we have a coin? Can we. Can. Are you still good at this?

[Timothy Simons]

Here's the thing.

[Nick]

You've lost the skill.

[Timothy Simons]

Can I. I have lost my touch a little bit. We ultimately ended up, like, with magnets. Like, putting magnets in a. In a tuxedo coat. And that's sort of what they ended up using out of, like, all the versions that I gave. But I am really proud of myself for this.

[Natalie Joy]

Were your kids obsessed?

[Timothy Simons]

They really liked the coin trick we went to. My son has, like, gotten into, like, this local children's theater group, and he really likes that. And one of my adult friends, I was, like, three weeks later, was telling her about how I could do this trick, and I just had a coin and, like, found, like, a. Just, like, a table napkin, and I did it for her, and she was actually like, oh, my God. Like, like, it was. I was like, really? That was, like, a moment where I was like, oh, holy. I actually.

[Nick]

I did it.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah. That's something that I. I've never been.

[Nick]

Able to do a magic trick. I would want to be able to do that.

[Timothy Simons]

When you see it happen, like, when Magic Nick would throw out some of his, like, oh, I'm just gonna do this, and it comes out of here. I mean, it is like. I'm like, we're this close to one another, and you're looking for how he's doing it, and you still can't see it. It's pretty amazing.

[Nick]

I just want to get into magic so I can be called Magic Nick. It has a ring to it.

[Susie Evans]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It's an alter ego. I want to tap in.

[Natalie Joy]

It kind of sounds like you're also. Could be stripped. Dancing Magic Mike.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

You know, Magic Nick, Jack of all trades.

[Nick]

A lot of people on your cast have had fun with the idea that everyone's married, you know, and obviously there's just a lot of on camera chemistry. Is it ever, like, I know you're all professionals, but, like, how does, like, have you ever had to have a conversation with your wife be like, all right, so there's like, like, how much kissing, you know, is, is in the script and do you do, do married couples and actors have those types of conversations with their partners? Or is it just like, hey, we're professionals and it is what it is?

[Timothy Simons]

I think it's a combination of both. It is like, it kind of has to be. I think it's like, weird. I think it's probably easier if both people in the relationship are actors because, yeah, it's like a weird part of the job. It's like, my job today is to go to work and like, pretend to have sex with another person that is not you.

[Natalie Joy]

I call it legal cheating.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah.

[Mary]

The only form that exists that it's.

[Natalie Joy]

Like, I'm sorry, babe, I got to keep a roof over our head.

[Mary]

So I will be simulating sex with someone else.

[Nick]

But it is as someone who has had one time an on camera kiss for acting does not feel the same. It is awkward. And, and you're like, as a man, you're, I'm. It's just like you just took.

[Natalie Joy]

Wasn't yours also with a man, though?

[Nick]

But that was the same show. I had one of each, but equally like, but to that point, equally as benign. Yeah, in a way that was like. Yeah, just, just in no way romantic.

[Timothy Simons]

You know, in a way it's sort of like, it's like the least sexy thing possible.

[Nick]

Like, it doesn't feel like you kiss the person.

[Timothy Simons]

No, not at all. And, but there is also that very human thing of like, you have to have that con. You just, you, we have to have the. And like, definitely, I've always viewed it as just part of the job, but there, there have been moments where you just end up having to have the conversation and being like, of course. No, like, this is just a part of the job. Like, this is not anything else. I think I, I, I can imagine for spouses and like, luckily, like, Justine and her husband, Tyson and Annie, my wife and I, like, we are all close, the four of us. So like, when somebody talks about, like, how Jack or how Justine and I have a, have really good chemistry, I don't think Annie's like, what the fuck's going on. But I do remember. I can't remember who said this, but they had like an amazing Queen quote about. About performing sex scenes, which is like, I would so much rather perform a sex scene than a death scene or. No, perform a death scene than a sex scene. Because nobody knows what it's like to die, but everybody kind of knows, like, what it's like to have sex. So it's like, if you'd, like, are not doing it the right way, people are gonna be like, what the. That's gross and weird. Is that what you think this is? Like those. Those are those things.

[Nick]

You know what I mean? Yeah. It's like, be sexy, you know?

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah, be sexy. It's like. And some people are going to be like, I know how to do that. And you're not doing it right. But if you're dying, it's every. Everybody in the audience, unless they're dead, you're gonna be like, well, I've never done that before. Maybe that's what that's like.

[Natalie Joy]

I guess he's dead.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Does your wife watch the show? Nobody wants this.

[Timothy Simons]

She does. And my kids too. It's like one of the first things that I've done that my kids have, like, been able to see. Like, most everything else that I've done has been like, really sweary or just like, not straight up. Not for kids.

[Susie Evans]

Y.

[Timothy Simons]

We like, watch it as a family. My kids really like it. They were like, we shoot in LA and all on the east side, and I live on the east side. There were days like, they got to come to set a couple times because it was like on the way home from school.

[Natalie Joy]

Is there ever a world in which. I know there's like scenes. I mean, I know it was season one, but the Bat Mitzvah, like, when there's a lot of kids extras, like, would your kids ever kind of do that or would they be like, this is weird. I don't want to.

[Timothy Simons]

I think that they would. I actually kind of think that they would want. There is a little part of me that like, doesn't want them on a set as a kid.

[Natalie Joy]

Totally.

[Timothy Simons]

You know what I mean?

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Timothy Simons]

Because like, eventually there. It's going to be like the last thing, like a 13 or 14 year old needs is for someone to go get water for them, you know? Yeah, yeah. Like, I'm trying to.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah. Have them be a pa.

[Timothy Simons]

Honestly. Yeah. Like, oh, you want to stand by.

[Whitney Levitt]

A trash can and lock up. Yeah, yeah.

[Timothy Simons]

You want to kill the romance of this real quick. I'm gonna have you be a pa And I'll gladly help them do that.

[Natalie Joy]

Do they think it's cool that you're on a show, or do they really, like, understand?

[Timothy Simons]

I think. I think they are starting to. And I. And I think they do think it's cool. Although they might be, like, you know, they're 13. I think they'd be a little loath to admit that totally right now. Like, your. Your dad' verifiably cool. Maybe don't yell at me. But yeah, they. They do think it. They. I think they do think it's cool. I also, like. I think it's, like, fun for them that. Like, that, like, their friends have seen it. Like, I think there is, like, I think I. I think they. I think they dig that. But no, I. I'm not like. Like, my son has been doing all of this, like, children's theater, and I. And I say it's like a children's theater group. But, like, the play that they did was about CBJ or the musical that they did was about CBGB's in, like, 1978. My son played Andy Warhol. They're, you know, it's for kids, like, fifth grade to seniors, and there were, like. Like, fifth graders, like, walking around with, like. Like, fake whiskey glasses and fake stage cigarettes. Like, you know, like, the Ramones were in it.

[Natalie Joy]

Nobody does it, like, la.

[Timothy Simons]

Nobody does it, like, in la. My wife worked backstage for the show, and we have this picture of one of the kids, like, who's nervous about going on and was holding one of those fake cigarettes. And this is, like, a sixth grader. It was, like, pacing back and forth, like, try, like, running their lines. This is why I don't want them on a set. They're gonna be exposed to that they shouldn't be exposed to.

[Natalie Joy]

That's crazy. It's like I. Your dad. Dad probably smokes for sure. Like, you've seen this before. Yeah.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Okay. A fun question of Mary Kill.

[Timothy Simons]

I'll be the judge of that.

[Natalie Joy]

I think you'll love it.

[Timothy Simons]

Okay.

[Natalie Joy]

Fuck Mary. Kill a Maine lobster.

[Timothy Simons]

Okay.

[Natalie Joy]

Lobster roll.

[Timothy Simons]

Okay.

[Natalie Joy]

Maine foliage.

[Timothy Simons]

Oh, this is a good question.

[Natalie Joy]

Or making being from Maine your entire personality.

[Nick]

For those of you who don't, he is from Maine. He is from Maine.

[Timothy Simons]

I am from Maine. It'd be funny if you were just like, he's from Virginia. We just want to ask him questions about me. So fuck, marry, kill. Foliage, lobster roll.

[Natalie Joy]

Or just making it. Personality.

[Nick]

Your personality.

[Timothy Simons]

I'm going to kill making Maine your whole personality.

[Natalie Joy]

It's A good one to go.

[Timothy Simons]

Although I feel like that does not mean that I'm not proud of the fact that I'm from there. I think we just need to, you know, it can't be your whole deal.

[Susie Evans]

For sure.

[Timothy Simons]

I'm going to. That's kill.

[Natalie Joy]

Yep. Who are you fucking and who are you marrying?

[Timothy Simons]

I'm going to fuck a lobster roll and I'm going to marry the fool.

[Nick]

That makes sense. Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Romantic. Honestly.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah. Like, lobster rolls are delicious. Like, I love them.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And you could it if you really wanted and if you really wanted to.

[Timothy Simons]

But there is like, they're not something that you really want to have all the time. It's like a twice a year special occasion.

[Natalie Joy]

Totally.

[Timothy Simons]

It's rich.

[Nick]

Totally. It's.

[Timothy Simons]

It's rich.

[Natalie Joy]

A lot of butter.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Yeah.

[Timothy Simons]

There's a really good place in Portland called the High Roller that we go because we go back every year to visit my family. So anyway, shout out to High Roller if you're in Portland, Maine.

[Natalie Joy]

Oh, I was definitely like, this doesn't correlate to Maine, but okay. Portland, Oregon.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

Portland, Maine.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Natalie Joy]

So. And you go back there all the time and get a lobster?

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah, we go back once a year to see my family because my whole family's still out there. So like, you know, we go and kind of like we'll like try to get a. Like a little cabin on a lake or whatever and the whole family kind of comes in and runs around. The kids go out in the woods.

[Nick]

Is that a direct flight from la?

[Timothy Simons]

God, no. No. We fly into Boston, then drive up. My wife is a terrible flyer too, so we could connect, but that is like, she's not good at it. So we're not.

[Natalie Joy]

I don't like it. Yeah, I'm with her on that. It being in the beginning of November. Have y' all decorated for Christmas yet?

[Timothy Simons]

We do decorate for Christmas, but we haven't done it yet. We just do all the fun stuff about Christmas and not the like, going to church and believing in God part of it.

[Natalie Joy]

Of course.

[Nick]

Pagan stuff.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Timothy Simons]

No, we haven't. We just like. We have taken the Halloween decorations down.

[Natalie Joy]

Nice. Do you decorate for Thanksgiving?

[Mary]

Are you those people?

[Timothy Simons]

There are some fall.

[Nick]

There's a cornhole for sure.

[Timothy Simons]

Cornucopia, you know, the horn of plankton.

[Natalie Joy]

Fall leaves.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah. Somewhere, you know, you put up that kind of stuff.

[Mary]

Imported from Maine.

[Nick]

Nally hired my mom.

[Timothy Simons]

I swear to God. No, My mom every once in a while sends me fall leaves in the mail. I believe that isn't that.

[Natalie Joy]

That's why you're gonna marry them?

[Nick]

Yeah, that's why I'm gonna marry.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Natalie hired. I don't know what I do about you or me or both. Natalie hired a company to decorate our house with Christmas lights before Halloween.

[Natalie Joy]

On the outside of the house.

[Timothy Simons]

Wait, you've already put them up?

[Natalie Joy]

Oh my God. Before Halloween came, I was like, I am a Halloween hater. And so I am just. We're getting a start on Christmas. And I was like, text it. We have a group message for our neighborhood. Texted. The group message they like to send when there's a solicitor going around. There are a little grumpy old ladies. But. And I responded with like, so sorry, I've already ruined the Halloween vibe. But like, my Christmas lights are up. Hope you all enjoy.

[Timothy Simons]

Are they turned on?

[Nick]

They do go 4pm to midnight. They're on a timer.

[Natalie Joy]

Wreaths. Wreaths with red bows. We're in it.

[Nick]

It looks nice.

[Natalie Joy]

Christmas trees are out.

[Timothy Simons]

I'm not. I would never argue for a moment that it would look nice. Can. Can we just have one moment?

[Natalie Joy]

We could have a moment. Moment.

[Timothy Simons]

Just one moment.

[Natalie Joy]

We can.

[Timothy Simons]

How you feeling about that?

[Nick]

It's a little much.

[Whitney Levitt]

It's.

[Timothy Simons]

It's a little bit.

[Nick]

I don't know if I should feel emasculated that she.

[Timothy Simons]

No, no, no, I'm not saying that. I'm just saying, like, you thought I.

[Natalie Joy]

Would ask you to climb on top of that Wouldn't have gotten done until six years from now.

[Timothy Simons]

I. I have definitely been asked to go up and hang them and I like finally did on like December 23rd and then they stayed up till April.

[Nick]

Exactly.

[Timothy Simons]

So last year we actually did. We did hire the person. Person.

[Natalie Joy]

It's. You know what I hired?

[Nick]

I mean, being a relatively first time homeowner over the past few years, it was like I didn't even. I forgot that it would. It was even a thing to get decorate Christmas. Like, you know, we watched all the Christmas Clark Griswolds growing up and then I was like, wait, that. No, I'm not gonna do that.

[Natalie Joy]

It adds a special like magicalness.

[Nick]

Then I realized I was kind of the humbug.

[Timothy Simons]

Well, I don't think it's necessarily hum. Again, we're gonna have a little quick moment. Yeah. And this is not like, look, I'm very happy that you're happy.

[Natalie Joy]

Thank you.

[Timothy Simons]

Just seems a touch early. It seems a touch.

[Nick]

You know, Natalie got us going and putting our Christmas tree up on November 1st and.

[Timothy Simons]

What? Wait, the Christmas tree is Up.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

You did it before November this year?

[Mary]

We did this weekend.

[Nick]

Yeah. And honestly, I'd be on. I kind of like it.

[Timothy Simons]

I mean, I love. I love a Christian Christmas tree. Will it survive?

[Nick]

It's fake.

[Natalie Joy]

They're fake.

[Timothy Simons]

Oh, it's a fake one.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

We have more than one.

[Natalie Joy]

I can't do real.

[Timothy Simons]

Okay.

[Natalie Joy]

Because I can't. I can't do real because I can't get them.

[Nick]

It's not going to survive three months.

[Natalie Joy]

Exactly.

[Whitney Levitt]

Yeah.

[Timothy Simons]

I mean, look, this is incredible. I. What am I judging? I collect Blu Rays.

[Natalie Joy]

Thank you.

[Timothy Simons]

I'm. There is no. I am not judging. I think it's incredible. We also do have, like. We have, like, the Christmas tree upstairs, and then, like, in the TV room, we have a littler one.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It brings a nice vibe. It brings a nice.

[Natalie Joy]

Did y' all do Elf on the Shelf for your kids? Did y' all have that?

[Timothy Simons]

No, I think only because we were, like, just. We were trying to survive.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie Joy]

We don't have time to pull the toilet paper out and make it look like this elf.

[Timothy Simons]

We're doing elaborate pranks.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

No.

[Timothy Simons]

We're trying to keep, like, two actual babies, like, breathing till the end of the day. Nobody had a free hand to do that.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, that's valid.

[Nick]

Well, thanks for coming back, Tim.

[Timothy Simons]

This has been so fun.

[Nick]

Fun, yeah. Other than Nobody Wants Us, which is Streaming now on NetFL season two. Check it out. If you haven't. If you've been living under a rock. I feel like everyone is watching it. Anything else you want to plug? Promote? Tell the people.

[Timothy Simons]

I would say, like, while she and I are still doing the podcast. It's called Second in Command. We. We watch. We invite people on, and they choose a movie that has a president or a vice president in it. And then we sort of examine the internal and external politics of the movie, like, to trying. Trying to figure out, like, was it representative of its time. Would this person have.

[Natalie Joy]

Now, does it have to be a movie, or would you also do Scandal Prob.

[Timothy Simons]

Usually it's better with movies only because it's like a. It's like a tall order. It's a tall order just to watch all these movies.

[Nick]

Have you done Clear and Present Danger? Have you done Clear and Present Danger yet?

[Timothy Simons]

We have done Clear and Present Danger. We're actually doing one later today for my date with the President's Daughter.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Natalie Joy]

Have you gotten original?

[Whitney Levitt]

I know about that one.

[Timothy Simons]

This is. I mean, I am definitely feeling like a generation gap when I mention this.

[Nick]

This movie.

[Timothy Simons]

Like, this is like this. It has gotten a lot of re. That reaction from people younger than me. And people my age are like, I truly don't know what the. That.

[Nick]

Have you done Dave?

[Timothy Simons]

We have done Dave. There was a big discussion about how Sigourney Weaver seeing him naked. Like, is Kevin Klein's penis noticeably different when. When he's in the showers? And do you know about Dave?

[Nick]

Dave? Dave is a movie about a guy who looks like the president. The president dies while having sex with someone having an affair, and then they insert him. Like, you know, for all the conspiracy theorists out there, that is, you know, popping up these days, it is a. It's a. It's a light hearted, fun conspiracy theory movie.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah. And so Kevin Klein is both playing the president who dies and then plays the guy, Dave, who then comes in to pretend he. He's the president. And Sigourney Weaver walks in on him taking a shower.

[Nick]

She's the first lady.

[Timothy Simons]

She's the first lady. And there's this whole scene and everybody's like, does his dick look exactly the same? Like, wouldn't she know? And then you have to have the conversation like, they're estranged. Maybe they haven't had sex in a long time.

[Natalie Joy]

But honestly, like, maybe her eyes are always closed.

[Timothy Simons]

Maybe. But just like, are there like, like, what are the differences in the pubes and body hair situation?

[Natalie Joy]

That's a great.

[Nick]

And if you look identical in the face, is the penis also.

[Timothy Simons]

Is the penis itself. Well, what if he's not circumcised? And the president was like, there are a lot of. Anyway, this is the kind of stuff that we.

[Susie Evans]

Really.

[Whitney Levitt]

Important political discussions.

[Natalie Joy]

Yeah, yeah.

[Timothy Simons]

Pretty much like dick based discussions.

[Natalie Joy]

Second in command.

[Nick]

Second in command.

[Natalie Joy]

Wherever you get podcasts, are there a.

[Nick]

Lot of vice president movies?

[Timothy Simons]

There are some we've seen like a. A lot of times it's like, all right, if we put a president in here, nobody would buy it, but somebody would buy that. A vice president would there. You know, it's like a way of like raising stakes. Stakes without raising them too high. We've watched a lot of president movies.

[Nick]

A lot of Gerard. Gerard Butler.

[Timothy Simons]

Yeah, we did all of the. All of the. Yeah. Olympus is Fallen. Jason Manzukis came on and was like, I'm doing all three of them. So we had to like power watch all three of them in like two days. I'm like, I'm. I'm a Jerry Butler. I'm a Jerry Butler guy. Me too. Den of Thieves.

[Nick]

Oh, my God.

[Natalie Joy]

We.

[Nick]

We went to the horse tracks with them? Not with him. But we were in the same group.

[Timothy Simons]

We were in the same up at Santa Anita.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Timothy Simons]

Oh, dope. How was that?

[Natalie Joy]

It was actually very fun. And he looks very similar to.

[Nick]

He looks like a Jake Gyllenhaal.

[Natalie Joy]

No, he. No Zach Alifanakis.

[Nick]

It was like, is that a. Did Zach Zalifian have a glow up? And is he really, like, oddly sexy in real life or is that the craziest thing?

[Natalie Joy]

He was wearing glasses and I'm like, I don't know.

[Nick]

That was the conversation we had. We're like, wait, is that.

[Timothy Simons]

Is Gerard Butler on one or does Zach Galanis look amazing?

[Nick]

Truly, it was like always good to see you, buddy.

[Timothy Simons]

Guys, this is awesome.

[Natalie Joy]

Thank you so much.

[Nick]

All right, that'll do it for today's episode. Thank you to all our guests. Joe from Love is Blind, Miles Smith, and also Timothy Simons. We appreciate them all. We appreciate you joining and listening to the show. Be sure to subscribe, tell all your friends all that fun stuff. Don't forget to check out the going D per episode of Sparkle, Megan and Jordan that came out yesterday, as well as our interviews with Ally and Anton from Love is Blind and Shannon Bedor on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap. We'll see you next week. Bye Bye. Morning, Zoe. Got donuts.

[Susie Evans]

Jeff Bridges, why are you still living above our garage?

[Nick]

Well, I dig the mattress and I want to be in a T mobile commercial like you teach me.

[Joe from Love is Blind]

So Dana.

[Susie Evans]

Oh no, I'm not really prepared. I couldn't possibly at T Mobile get the new iPhone 17 Pro on them. It's designed to be the most powerful iPhone yet and has the ultimate pro camera system.

[Nick]

Wow, impressive. Let me try. T mobile is the best place to get iPhone 17 Pro because they've got the best network.

[Natalie Joy]

Nice.

[Susie Evans]

Jeffrey, you heard them.

[Nick]

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[Susie Evans]

Dude, my work here is done.

[Timothy Simons]

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[Nick]

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[Timothy Simons]

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[Nick]

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[Joe from Love is Blind (Guest)]

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