The Viall Files E1036: Bravocon, RHOSLC, Mormon Wives & DWTS with Caroline Stanbury, Sergio Carrallo & Chanel Ayan

Date: November 20, 2025
Host: Nick Viall with Natalie Joy, Leia, Susie, Jesse, and more
Guests: Caroline Stanbury, Sergio Carrallo, Chanel Ayan

Episode Overview

This packed Reality Recap episode dives deep into the latest drama and headlines from the reality TV world, focusing on BravoCon recaps, “Dancing with the Stars” (DWTS) season updates, the most recent “Real Housewives of Salt Lake City” (RHOSLC) episode, and the complex dynamics of “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.” The Household interviews major Bravo figures including Chanel Ayan, Caroline Stanbury, and her husband Sergio, sharing insider gossip, fashion hot takes, and personal moments. Throughout, the hosts blend recaps with candid discussion, humor, and debate—delivering rich, layered commentary perfect for Bravo fans and reality TV aficionados.

Table of Contents

1. DWTS Breakdown & Controversies (01:18 – 26:34)
2. BravoCon Stories with Chanel Ayan (30:37 – 51:51)
3. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives—Relationship Deep Dive (52:12 – 63:46)
4. Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Recap (64:03 – 74:39)
5. Interview: Caroline Stanbury & Sergio Carrallo (76:22 – 106:42)
6. Memorable Quotes & Moments
7. Key Timestamps

DWTS Breakdown & Controversies (01:18 – 26:34)

• The group recaps the latest episode and finals of "Dancing with the Stars," focusing on Whitney’s polarizing elimination and the emotional sharings from contestants like Alex Earle, Elaine Hendricks, and Jordan Childs.
• Elimination Drama: The crew discusses whether Whitney’s comments on "Secret Lives of Mormon Wives" (about joining the show to get a DWTS slot) affected her popularity and votes. The consensus: yes, online chatter was ruthless and unforgiving.
• Audience Experience: Leia and Susie share their in-person experience, including star-studded audience moments (Zac Efron's viral reaction).
  • Leia: “...when they cut to him [Zac Efron], everybody was just like—Oh my God, Zac’s there.” (14:44)
• Viral Dances: Interviews with Dylan Efron and Daniella about their now-viral “swimming move;” lighthearted advice on trying it at home.
• Friendship Highlights: Jordan Childs and Ezra Sosa discuss bonding on the show.
  • Chanel Ayan: “This is my diva, and he will forever be my diva.” (20:56)
• Elaine Hendricks Interview: After receiving a perfect score, she reflects:
  • “This has far exceeded my expectations...the reality of it just blows my mind.” (22:03)
• Whitney Exit Analysis:
  • Nick: “She stuck the landing, so to speak...inside, I’m sure she didn’t feel like smiling...best possible sport.” (24:03)
• Online Hate: They reflect on the unique pressures on Mormon wives and the passion of their fanbase.
  • Susie (on Whitney condemnation): “Everyone says they want a diva...but as soon as you get it, you turn on her.” (26:05)

BravoCon Stories with Chanel Ayan (30:37 – 51:51)

• Chanel Ayan’s return: She gushes over the new studio and Nick’s “making money.” (30:37)
  • “It looks expensive...Good for you, bitch. It’s growing. I love this for you guys.” – Chanel Ayan (30:39)
• BravoCon Fashion: Chanel planned 15 looks; only wore six due to time constraints. No stylist: “I planned my outfits like a week before I came...most in under 24 hours.” (31:09)
• Bravo Boys Hotness: Discussion on which Bravo men are attractive; Chanel’s blunt take on Kyle Cook:
  • “You must be eating pussies, bitch, because what are you doing outside...when you have a wife at home?” – Chanel (32:56)
• Behind the Scenes:
  • Chanel mediates minor Bravo house drama; admits she’s “married for 26 years and super happily married.”
• BravoCon Fallout:
  • Feuds and make-ups, post-event chaos, and Chanel’s proactive peacekeeping.
  • “If I ever see them on a carpet next time, I’ll make sure they get along...I’m keeping peace!” (41:12)
• Living in Dubai to the U.S.: Chanel shares about selling her Dubai home and moving closer to her son, considering a base in the US; reflects on differences in safety and lifestyle in Dubai versus the States.
• Advocacy for FGM: Candid conversation about her advocacy work and the challenge of discussing hard topics:
  • “Recently I was very broken hearted...there was a two year old girl that passed away from that...I try as much as possible to talk about it, but every time, people…they don’t want to hear about it.” (47:51)
• Bravo Future: Chanel pitches herself for a “Villages of America” housewives travel show, visiting franchises across the U.S.

Secret Lives of Mormon Wives—Relationship Deep Dive (52:12 – 63:46)

• Jesse & Jordan Analysis: The hosts dissect the emotional fallout between Jesse and Jordan after a dramatic season, supported by insights from their recent interview with Jesse.
  • Leia: “She goes into more detail about the emotional abuse...she was constantly just being like, ‘you’re not good enough.’ And then she meets a man...[who] tells her she’s beautiful...I see how she got there.” (53:05)
  • Nick: “Some people in marriages with kids...you feel really stuck. If you’re in a bad situation...It can be a really terrible situation. You can truly feel trapped.” (55:09)
• Support vs. Enabling:
  • The group debates the responsibilities of partners and friends, especially in Mormon contexts, when faced with marital struggles.
• Men’s Group Talk:
  • Analysis of “Dad Talk” among the Mormon husbands and how some avoid holding each other accountable.
  • Nick: “I find it weird how they had this scene with Zach...‘moms could learn something from dad talk...’” (59:36)
• Changing Perceptions:
  • Reflection on Zach’s character growth and how public perception can shift over time with context.

Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Recap (64:03 – 74:39)

• Top 10 Episode? Andy Cohen claims this week’s RHOSLC is “top 10 of all time.”
• Potluck & Church Drama: Nick and the panel recap the events—Whitney’s potluck, Brittany’s house “smelling like poopy rock,” and intense relationship struggles.
• Lisa & John’s Marital Reveal:
  • For the first time, the Barlows discuss marital issues on camera: “...it's a lot going on over a lemon loaf that I was like, oh, this is real relationship issues.” – Jesse (66:36)
  • Lisa’s work/life struggle and John’s “high body count hair” get dissected with affection.
• Bronwyn & Todd: Public thermonuclear marriage talk, with speculation Bronwyn wants an open relationship.
• Britney & Jared:
  • Susie: “That hug...was so long, it made me want to crawl out of my skin.” (70:04)
  • Nick opines: “This was the definition of gaslighting...She is enforcing her boundary...Then he calls her crazy for it.” (71:18)
• Mary’s Church Reopening:
  • Mary’s ministering wows Jesse: “Big fan of Mary running her church. She just seemed so like, in her place.” (73:29)
• Meta Moments: The group riffs on furniture choices, hot church interiors, and tongue-in-cheek social commentary about Bravo casting, relationships, and self-awareness.

Interview: Caroline Stanbury & Sergio Carrallo (76:22 – 106:42)

• BravoCon Impressions: Caroline and Sergio share their excitement for the fan experience, the impact of traveling from Dubai, and Caroline’s popularity thanks to her “British accent and legs.”

• Traitors Preview:

  • Nick: “You seem like someone who’s going to succeed in that environment; everyone wants to be friends with you.” (79:06)
  • Caroline reveals she leaned into her social skills, recruited “big men” for tasks, with Colton Underwood as her main helper.
  • “Find any man that would do things for me. And I found Colton. So that’s the story of her life.” – Caroline (80:09)

• Housewives Behind the Scenes:

  • Caroline discusses friendships with co-stars—Denise Richards, Lisa Vanderpump, Larsa—and Bravo friendships extending pre-show.
  • Discussion of travel, jetlag, and bringing a British sense of composure to Bravo chaos.

• Surrogacy and Personal Life:

  • The couple shares their plans for surrogacy, the practical realities of building a new house, and juggling family dynamics.
  • Sergio: “I have two things I’m working on...my mum first, moving in with us. And then later the baby. Then I would die.” (93:59)

• Love Language Banter:

  • Playful teasing about Caroline’s “heart of stone,” lying about “surgical procedures,” and Sergio’s relentless pursuit for affection.
  • “There’s not really a love language from Caroline.” – Sergio (89:34)

• Housewives Gossip:

  • Caroline’s critical take on cast members flaunting wealth for clout—citing the dangers of putting financial skeletons on TV: “If you have any skeletons in your closet, stay away from Housewives.” (99:32)
  • She also advocates for a Bravo “Charm School” hosted by herself to teach etiquette to cast members.
  • “I was a debutante back in the day.” – Caroline (103:00)

• Dog Stories:

  • The couple’s love of quirky pets, especially Caroline’s “Velcro dog,” Walter.
  • “He’s a Brussels Griffon. He looks miserable, so he’s fugly.” – Caroline (104:25)

• Final Thoughts: Nick and the team invite Caroline and Sergio to double date; laughter and mutual affection end the interview.

Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Chanel Ayan on BravoCon Fashion:
  “No, I don’t have a stylist...I planned my outfits, like, a week before I came. Like, most of them I did in under 24 hours.” (31:09)
• Chanel on Bravo Boys:
  “You must be eating pussies, bitch, ’cause what are you doing outside when you have a wife at home?” (32:56)
• Susie, on internet hate for Whitney:
  “Everyone says they want a diva. Everyone is like, I love diva behavior...But as soon as you get it, you turn on her...Justice for Whitney.” (26:05)
• Caroline Stanbury giving advice to housewives hiding financial crimes:
  “If you have any skeletons in your closet...stay away from Housewives, is all I...Specifically if you’re doing illegal things.” (99:32)
• Nick summarizing Mormon wives relationship trap:
  “If you're in a bad situation where your partner...belittles you...You can truly feel trapped and not know what to do...It can be a really terrible situation.” (55:09)
• Caroline teasing her own love language:
  Sergio: “There's not really a love language from Caroline.”
  Caroline: “That's a hug.” (89:34)

Key Timestamps

• DWTS Recap & Whitney Elimination Debate: 01:18 – 26:34
• BravoCon & Chanel Ayan’s Interview: 30:37 – 51:51
• Mormon Wives/Jesse & Jordan Analysis: 52:12 – 63:46
• RHOSLC Episode Blow-By-Blow: 64:03 – 74:39
• Caroline Stanbury & Sergio Interview: 76:22 – 106:42

Tone & Style

This episode maintains The Viall Files’ signature mix of playful banter, sharp wit, emotional honesty, and reality TV dishing. The guests contribute their own exuberant, candid energy—especially Chanel and Caroline, whose humor, confidence, and unfiltered stories keep the conversations flowing.

For Listeners

If you missed this episode, you’ll walk away with comprehensive recaps of top Bravo moments, DWTS drama, and Housewife scandals; exclusive behind-the-scenes anecdotes; advice on navigating toxic relationships (with humor, grace, and self-awareness); and an inside look at the hybrid world of reality TV stardom.

Recommended for:
Bravo fans, DWTS devotees, reality TV enthusiasts, and anyone who loves pop culture with depth, gossip, and a side of British etiquette lessons.