E1043 - Vanderpump Is Back, Ryan Serhant Talks Owning Manhattan, RHOSLC, RHOP, Spotify Wrapped & Psychics

Summary

The Viall Files – E1043: "Vanderpump Is Back, Ryan Serhant Talks Owning Manhattan, RHOSLC, RHOP, Spotify Wrapped & Psychics"

Date: December 4, 2025
Host: Nick Viall (with recurring co-hosts: Natalie Joy [appears later in the show], Steve, Mary, B, D, E, G, F)
Key Guest: Ryan Serhant (Million Dollar Listing/Owning Manhattan)

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Episode Overview

Nick and the "Household" dive into their Reality Recap edition, blending Bravo recaps (Vanderpump Rules, RHOP, RHOSLC), playful banter about Spotify Wrapped, personal updates (babies, psychics, ice skating), and an in-depth chat with Ryan Serhant about real estate, TV fame, and life philosophies. The episode sparkles with humor, pop culture wisdom, and hot takes on reality TV relationships and drama.

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1. Opening Banter & Spotify Wrapped (01:12–13:00)

Household Updates & Warm-Up (01:12–06:50)

• Nick explains Natalie’s brief absence—she’s momming for sick baby River—but will appear later for the guest interview.
• Light banter about the cast (“Steve is keeping her seat warm”, potato-potato).
• Shoutout to the Viall Files community: “We love you guys...fans, trolls, lovers—we welcome all!” (02:52)
• Nick shares his love of a Packers podcast—“His voice is so soothing…I’ll listen to episodes twice.” ([04:00] Nick)

Spotify Wrapped Chaos (06:01–09:00)

• Everyone discusses their Wrapped results, revealing generational divides.
  • Natalie’s is all kid’s music, resulting in an “age” of 75; B comes out at 21; C at 62.
  • Top artists range from Chris Stapleton (for Nick), Simon & Garfunkel, Lady Gaga, The Wiggles to Hayley Williams.
  • Notable Quote: “If you want to be really vulnerable with the listeners, you could check your Spotify Wrapped right now.” ([04:27] E)

Cultural Commentary (09:04–13:14)

• Lighthearted sharing of ice skating adventures, kiddo updates, and grievances (E on not being invited to visit the team psychic).
• Segues to airing predictions the psychic made (sex with the devil via tarot, “holding your cards close”, “don’t overthink things”).
  • “Group doctor appointment...this was a grievance!” ([12:23] E)
• Leads into quick talk on 2024’s top baby names (“Liam,” “Olivia”).
  • “Let’s piss off a bunch of parents—number one, Liam. Nah.” ([14:14] A)
  • Observations on cycles of name popularity and what vibes they give off: “We’re getting away from ‘comet’ and ‘cup’.” ([16:21] A)

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2. Bravo & Reality TV Hot Takes (21:02–29:48)

Mormon Wives Reunion / Bachelorette Crossover (21:02–29:48)

• Cast critiques reunion photos: “We look horrible and dissociated every time.” ([21:31] B)
• Insider tea: reunions are brutal, long days; cast is exhausted.
• “Pick up cameras” moments: hopes for juicy “Fruity Pebbles” drama (28:07–28:47).
• Discussion: the crossover between Bachelorette (Taylor Frankie Paul’s run) and Mormon Wives, and how the streaming world is “building universes”—crossover talent, messy TV giving way to new fame.
  • “Netflix and Hulu and Peacock...it’s a streaming competition. They’re investing in their universe.” ([27:39] A)
  • “It will be fascinating how Taylor’s person...is integrated into her life...” ([26:41] A)

Taylor & Sally (Southern Charm) Social Media Feud (29:03–31:32)

• Taylor gets triggered by a “pretty blonde” comparison.
• Notable quote: “It’s funny the plight of the pretty blonde girl...you all look the same. Us white guys, we all look the same!” ([29:45] A)
• Sally claps back on Instagram—people need to mind their business and check their facts.

Bachelor Nation Crossovers & Rumors (31:13–36:52)

• Sally’s brief stints on The Bachelor revisited: “She tried twice...shows up, leaves...wild that she entered Bravo, which is way messier.” ([31:05–31:14] A)
• Meta-commentary on controlling narratives: Johnny Bananas falsely suggests he might be Lindsay Hubbard’s baby daddy; Lindsay posts:
  • “Dear Johnny Bananas, you actually have to have sex to get pregnant. Last I checked, we never hooked up. My baby is way too cute to be a Bananas baby, period.” ([36:16] B)

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3. FEATURE INTERVIEW: Ryan Serhant – "Owning Manhattan" (42:56–78:21)

Intro & Real Estate Philosophy (42:56–45:44)

• Ryan’s main markets: NY and FL (“like the back of my hand”), expanding west.
• Analogizes states to companies with CEOs; “it’s a fight for employees” (i.e., residents).
• Hot take: “Interest-rate divorce” is the new trend. Couples waiting out high rates in separate bedrooms; predicts “record numbers of divorce over the next 24 months.” ([45:12] G)

New York Real Estate Deep-Dive (46:25–53:04)

• Talks the notorious 432 Park (“Super skinny, sways in the wind, facade cracking, major lawsuit”).
• Price points: “Rented them a three-bedroom for $65,000/month…full floor for $55 million...”
• “No better place than New York. It’d be great to pop in and out.” ([52:54] G)
• Airbnb crackdown: “Because of hotel tax lobbies.” ([53:10] G)

Career, TV & Media Evolution (53:37–57:07)

• Structure: Relentless follow-up; early embrace of personal branding and media funnel.
• “Million Dollar Listing New York changed my life in 2012. Netflix changed my life last year in a totally different way.” ([53:45] G)
• Media flywheel: hitting different demographics via Bravo, thought-leadership, social media; Netflix “replaced the Bravo bucket like on crack.”
  • “Number one lead source is their kids! The kids of the buyers at the dinner table.” ([55:48] G)
  • “You’re the American real estate guy. It’s a different level of exposure.” ([57:07] G)
• Owning Manhattan S2, coming December 5: “The largest transaction I’ve ever done on TV ($60 million)”; real-time deal drama.

Real Estate Game: "Spin It Like Serhant" (72:28–78:21)

• Nick and crew put Ryan on the spot to “sell” nightmare NYC real estate scenarios:
  • 5th floor walkup, AC broken since Toby Keith’s peak: “A diamond in the rough...a developer will pay you double for the assemblage.” ([73:22] G)
  • Haunted brownstone: “The provenance! Most homes don’t have the luxury of a confirmed ghost—turn it into an amusement.” ([74:34] G)
  • Hamptons with snake nest in the pool: “Get the influencer with snake tattoos...turn it into a show! $50 million and Snake Bit.” ([77:08] G)
  • Deaths/murders in property: In NY, no disclosure required: “No, you don’t have to [declare]. Cuz everyone’s died!” ([75:56] G)
• Serhant’s disciplined/relentless drive:
  • “Discipline is doing the things you don’t want to do, but doing them anyway...professionals make decisions based on their commitments.” ([63:56] G)

Personal Life/Philosophy

• Daughter Xena’s personality: “When she’s happy, she’s me. When she’s angry, she’s her mom.”
• Raising a child amidst TV fame: “You just make sure she experiences as much as possible and finds her way...try jiu-jitsu, piano, tennis...”
• On privacy: “I used to value my privacy, but now—my income and career were built on the backs of being a total open book.”
• Real-estate crash predictions: Not expecting a 2008 repeat, but “a debt crisis might come before 2029.”

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4. Bravo Deep Dives: Recaps & Hot Takes

Vanderpump Rules: New Beginnings (86:08–99:45)

• Mary’s rapid recap: “Still trashy and hooking up, but some of them might be gay now.”
• New cast: “Chris wants to be Robert De Niro, dreams of being Flynn Rider. Marcus and Kimberly drama, Natalie’s a singer from Florida, etc.”
• Cast energy: “It gave first season energy—aspiring actors and dating drama.” ([88:10] B)
  • Nick: “Now more than ever, reality stars can cross to mainstream Hollywood—Ariana Maddox is hosting Love Island, acting, Broadway. It’s a real shot.”
• Viral quote: “You are happier when you get laid.” ([90:19] B/A)
• The “Can men & women be friends” debate—classic Viall Files territory.
  • Nick: “If you’re curious what your friend looks like naked—you’re not friends.” ([95:21] A)

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Bravo Locals: RHOP, RHOSLC

RHOP (Potomac) – Fraud, Healing, and Shade (101:41–112:03)

• Wendy’s legal trouble looms: “The judge denied Wendy and her husband to be tried separately.” ([101:55] D)
• Mary’s rapid recap: Standard Potomac levels of confusion and accusations (“Chris Samuels didn’t know what anyone was talking about…”)
• Monique’s return: “She’s awesome. I want to be like Monique. She rocks.” ([105:16] C)
• Commentary on reality dynamics: “Trying to save your marriage and be a housewife—you can’t do both.” ([106:27] B)
• Reflections on Wendy: “It's just—this person seems so together, but now these fraud charges? Makes you wonder about the pressure of thriving on TV, seeking parent validation.” ([111:30] A)

RHOSLC (Salt Lake City) – Betrayals, Horses, & Pill Popper Accusations (112:06–134:13)

• Rapid recap by Mary:
  • Bronwyn’s “Betsy Ross party”, Justin loses job/fails business with Whitney, Heather’s daughter leaving to Tampa.
  • Betsy Ross party erupts: “Whitney calls Meredith an alcoholic pill popper; Meredith deflects with drug test/caviar gift bags.” ([117:00–118:14])
  • “Heather felt gaslit…episode ends with drama unresolved.”
• Heated Bravo-verse debates:
  • Nick: “Is Todd off limits, or not? Is Bron totally in control, or being sucked in by fan/fandom pressure?” ([121:47] A)
  • Whitney vs. Justin: “I felt like Whitney put herself in the victim seat, blaming her husband for her business failure.” ([122:29] B)
  • MLM confusion: “Why are you admitting on camera that your business was a pyramid scheme?” ([126:36] C)
• The “owning a horse in Salt Lake” saga; debate over fries: “Arby’s curly fries vs. Wendy’s.”

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5. Notable Quotes & Moments

Spotify Wrapped Vulnerability (04:27 E)

• “If you want to be really vulnerable with the listeners, you could check your Spotify Wrapped right now.”

Psychic Bit (11:00 C)

• “She pulled the devil card and she was like, you’re gonna have sex. And I was like, with the devil? Could be fun.”

Baby Names (14:14 A)

• “Let’s piss off a bunch of parents—number one, Liam. Nah.”

Ryan Serhant on Divorce Trends (45:12 G)

• “I’m telling you, you’re gonna see record numbers of divorce over the next 24 months. Finally. Because you’re like, I can go lock in a better rate with the new guy now.”

Serhant on Selling a Haunted House (74:34 G)

• “Most homes, the majority, don’t have the luxury of having confirmed ghost sightings…turn it into an amusement!”

Bravo Wisdom (88:01 B)

• “It gave first season energy—with these people wanting to be on the show but also wanting to be actors...that’s what I want to see.”

On Social Media Drama (34:39 B)

• “Sometimes the best form of response is no response at all.”

On Housewives and Relationships (106:27 B)

• “You either have a functional relationship or you have boundaries when it comes to filming. Or it’s a mess.”

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6. Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:12 – Opening banter; introductions
• 04:00 – Nick’s Packers podcast confession
• 06:01 – Spotify Wrapped results
• 11:00 – Psychic readings/group tarot
• 13:28 – Top baby names of 2024 discourse
• 21:02 – Mormon Wives/Bachelorette crossover gossip
• 29:03 – Southern Charm/Sally Taylor “blond feud”
• 31:13 – Bachelor Nation/Johnny Bananas rumors
• 42:56 – Ryan Serhant Interview begins
  • 45:12 – Serhant on divorce trends
  • 51:07 – NYC real estate market breakdown
  • 57:07 – Netflix exposure vs. Bravo
  • 72:28 – "Spin It Like Serhant" game
• 86:08 – Vanderpump Rules ("new" season) recap
• 101:41 – RHOP Potomac drama recap
• 112:06 – RHOSLC drama & meta-commentary

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7. Tone & Style

Conversational, irreverent, occasionally vulnerable, self-deprecating, and always pop-culture savvy. The hosts are affectionate with each other (“we love you hate-listeners!”) and fun but incisive on reality TV foibles and the tarnished glamour of showbiz.

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For Listeners Who Want the Highlights:

• The episode is a playful, juicy romp through the realities of fame, relationships, and pop culture, bracketed by relatable anecdote and sharp wit.
• Serhant’s interview offers a fascinating window into luxury real estate and the new power of streaming stardom.
• The Household is full of fun, candor, and hot takes—whether arguing over Spotify ages or diagnosing Housewives’ marriages.
• Blend of high-level pop commentary and on-the-ground reality recaps makes this a perfect catch-up for fans and casual listeners alike.

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Next up on The Viall Files: More recaps, deeper dives, and reality TV revelations—with the full household (Natalie included!) next week.

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[B]

You're crazy.

[A]

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. I'm your host Nick, joined by the household. My enlightened.

[C]

Enlightened.

[A]

My enlightened why do I always freeze? I always freeze.

[C]

I think it's because you love her so much.

[A]

I love her so much.

[C]

There's so much pressure on you.

[B]

There's no words that can speak.

[A]

There are no words. Yes. You know the lights of heaven shine down on my brain when nally just image entered into my head. Sadly she is not with us today. Our dear baby river is under the weather and she is playing mom at the moment. She might pop up into the studio but she is with with our child helping her out. So she unfortunately won't be joining the intro. But we have good news. She will be in this episode because we have a great guest for you. Very exciting guest. Ryan Sirhan. You know him of reality TV fame. He's promoting the new season of Owning Manhattan. Season two is out on Netflix on Friday and he is with us to talk about all things real estate in Manhattan. Really fascinating guy, really well accomplished guy and I don't know if you're like interested in real estate which I think everyone does to some degree. We have a really fascinating fun conversation with him. We pre recorded this interview so Natalie was with us. So if you are, fear not that the dear Natalie joy will be in this episode even though she's not with us. Right now, Steve is sitting in her chair, keeping it nice and warm. Potato, potato, Steve. Natalie, you know.

[C]

Hi, Steve.

[B]

Swap a co host for a co host.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

The Spotify wrap is out, our favorite time of year where we get to find out who are our most loyal household members. We appreciate all the people who are posting us on their Spotify wrap. Please share those. We love you guys. We couldn't obviously have this show with any of you listeners. We truly appreciate and love you. Whether you listen to us because you love being a part of the household or you listen to us because you hate listen to us. We looking, you know, listen, you know, you really got something good when people, you know, just listen to, try to, like, talk their shit. And we welcome all, you know, we are inclusive in this show. You know, haters, fans, trolls, lovers.

[C]

We love you, fighters.

[A]

You know who you are if you're listening. Yeah. You know, talking to you.

[C]

Nick, what was your top artist in your Spotify Rap?

[A]

I haven't looked, but I can I there. I have a podcast I listen to. I've listened to every episode of this podcast since I found it. It's called the. I think I've talked about this before.

[C]

The packers one.

[A]

It's a Packer podcast. John Van Der. John Van Venk. I don't know. You know who you are, John.

[E]

You listen to it every day.

[A]

John Van. I'm your host, John Van Der. Anyways, it's so soothing. I. Well, first of all, I love the packers, right? And I love the way he breaks down the Packers. It's his voice. I honest, I. I'll. I'll listen to episodes twice. I find it very relaxing. I listen to it a one speed, and there is something about his voice that I find just, like, soothing. It's wonderful. It brings joy. I just love this, man.

[E]

If you want to be really vulnerable with the listeners, you could check your Spotify wrapped right now.

[A]

Yeah, it's just a bunch of Packer podcast guys.

[C]

No, the music.

[A]

What do you mean?

[B]

Do you listen to music?

[C]

Yeah. Have you ever heard of.

[E]

I'm curious to know what.

[A]

It's a lot. I can tell you what. It's a lot of background room jazz.

[C]

Hear it? Let's see.

[A]

Right now we're playing a lot of background Christmas jazz at the house.

[E]

That's really nice.

[A]

Do you guys listen to. Is that like a me being old?

[D]

Like, old?

[E]

No, not at all.

[C]

Jazz.

[E]

I wake up every morning to jazz playing.

[A]

I love jazz in the background when you're cooking dinner and there's like, A fire going.

[C]

Little Miles Davis, blue. Little Duke Ellington, little Stan Gatz.

[A]

You know what I did this morning?

[B]

What did you eat this morning?

[A]

I. I shoveled. I made an ice skating rink and then I ice skated for five minutes.

[E]

Wow.

[A]

Well, I actually started it yesterday. There's a light layer of snow on the lake. The ice is already frozen, super frozen, which is shocking for early December, but it's been super cold here. And yeah, I made a nice little air skinny rink and then I sprayed some hot water on it to make it nice and smooth yesterday. But then there was a light layer of snow this morning, so I had to go out and shovel again.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Took river ice skating for yesterday.

[D]

I have a question. How do you spray hot water on it? Like, is it like a boiling process or does the hose spray hot water?

[A]

We have hot water coming out of the hose from the house and I ran the hose down to the lake.

[E]

So did you teach river how to ice skate before you taught her how to roller skate?

[A]

This is the first time we skated together. Yeah.

[E]

Wow, that is so cute. That's really cute.

[C]

That's a really sweet moment to distract us from you being scared to share your top artist on Spotify Rap.

[A]

I know I just told you who it is. I know. I don't have a very diverse. I don't have a very diverse list. I'm sending you guys.

[E]

I can tell you what mine was.

[A]

I'm sending you the.

[E]

The Wiggles.

[C]

Let's go.

[E]

My Spotify wrapped this year was completely fucked. What's weird though is that all of my top listened to artists and songs were kids music. But then my.

Age, I guess they give you like an age range now. Was 75.

[C]

Mine was 62.

[B]

Mine was 21.

[E]

Wow. You know what, something's wrong.

[C]

Mine was 62.

[A]

Is that a worst reflection of Leia and Mary or Sierra?

[B]

Probably me because I was like, what is your music? Tate McCray, Gracie Abrams, like I give 21 year old. Yeah, no, mine was in mine. Actually. Jenny is online. Yeah. Extra Large is one of my most listened songs.

[C]

Hell yeah. To be fair, my top five was like Hayley Williams, Dochi, Lady Gaga, Addison Rae and Joan Jett and the black Arts.

[E]

Simon and Garfunkel was in my mix.

[C]

Simon and Garfunkel.

[A]

That's a good. That's great. You can always have some. Simon and Garfunkel on Ella is our.

[E]

Favorite song as a collection.

[B]

Spotify said to me, tastes like yours can't be defined, but let's try anyways.

[A]

How do you go to the Spotify route?

[C]

You go to Spotify.

[E]

You just go onto Spotify and then you hit rap.

[A]

Yeah, it is. Oh, wrapped it like glows.

[E]

Okay, let's see what Nyx is. You're being really vulnerable and brave.

[C]

Vulnerable and main.

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What am I? Your stories. Your top songs of 2025.

[C]

Yes, yes.

[B]

My top album is Wicked soundtrack.

[A]

You should probably leave by Chris Stapleton.

Think I'm in love with you by Chris Stapleton. That we went through a period of time of listening to a lot of Chris Stapleton.

[E]

Well, cooking sounds like it on rip.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Oh, this is you and me. It's a workout song. You and you and by Disclosure. Okay, then number four is Parachute by Chris Stapleton. Tennessee Whiskey by Chris Stapleton.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

Cold by Chris Stapleton. White Horse by Chris Stapleton.

[C]

Huge Chris Stapleton guy.

[A]

Huge Stapleton.

[E]

If you don't listen to jazz, it.

[B]

Sounds like you're going to be in the top 2% of listeners of Chris Stapleton.

[A]

Should I tag Chris? Be like, I'm going to be 1%, bro.

[E]

Yeah, you're going to get a Chris Stapleton video.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I got a Tate McCrae one.

[C]

I got a Lady Gaga one. I got the Wiggles.

[E]

They were literally like, thank you for listening to the Wiggles. Hot potato. Hot potato.

That was my number two most listening to song.

[C]

My top podcast was the Hacks companion podcast. Yes.

[B]

That's so funny. Actually, my number one song is Extra Large. What did that say about it?

[C]

My number one song was this song called I want you Fever by this band Mama. That's really fun.

[A]

Hey, did you guys watch my video? Allison did.

[E]

Oh, wow, look, it's river ice skating. This is awesome.

[B]

Wait, but she's so tiny. And the onesie.

[A]

Like the cow onesie. And the polka dot.

[B]

It's like the little polka dot onesie, but she's just so little.

[E]

Wait, can I air out a grievance for a second?

[D]

Please?

[A]

We love a grievance.

[E]

The whole team went to see a psychic, and I wasn't invited.

[C]

Okay, not the whole team.

[B]

It's giving Brittany Bateman. I was also not invited.

[D]

I said I didn't want to go.

[B]

Justin was invited, but politely declined.

[C]

You guys weren't here at. In the office. I went. Zach went.

[B]

Are we not a part of the office?

[A]

Whose idea was this, Zach? Why'd you guys want to see a psychic?

[C]

Well, he was just like, do you want to go see a psychic? And I was like, you know what? Hell, yeah.

[A]

Who's getting promoted? Who's getting fired.

[C]

Hey, that's. I. I want to know between the psychic.

[E]

So what happened?

[C]

This.

[A]

I'm getting.

[C]

Apparently getting laid.

[E]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah. So that's huge news.

[E]

Who are you getting?

[C]

I don't. I don't know, but she's.

[B]

That inevitable.

[C]

What? Well, it was the. Well, I was also trying to do bits with the psychic, and she was not having it. Like, she was. She was, you know.

[A]

You're trying to rain on her craft.

[C]

No, I was just like, we all joke. Here's the thing. We did it with everyone else in the room, which I thought would be really funny. And then we getting into it, and then I was like, wait. Well, the psychic told me that I should keep my cards a little closer to my chest. And then I looked down, and I was like, so not like this. And then she didn't like that very much. The psychic basically was reading my tarot cards and then was just saying, I need to be a bit more discerning about, like, people, like, in the world of my life and stuff was like, yeah, maybe like, hold your cards a bit closer to your chest and don't let people see out your cards. And then I looked down. I was like, oh, so not like this. Thinking that she would be like, nope, she wasn't.

[A]

She wasn't there for humor. She was not there for the bits predicting the future. I mean, she really has to be zoned in.

[C]

Yeah. And then I pull. She pulled the devil card, and she was like, you're gonna have sex. And I was like, with the devil.

[A]

And she was like, could be fun.

[B]

But, like, what's the timeline on that?

[C]

I.

[B]

Because I'm like, of course you're gonna get laid at some point.

[C]

At some point in my life. But it seemed like it was in the now.

[A]

I suppose the. The devil's, like, you know, fluid.

[C]

But then also, I was. For me.

The devil for sure, goes both ways. But also, it's funny because Zach's romance. In Zach's romance reading, he was. She was like, oh, yeah, like, girl, girl, girl with Zach. And then for me, she was like, person. And I was like, okay, I love.

[B]

The idea of that plot twist.

[C]

That plot twist. But also I was like, do you.

[A]

Think she was just trying to be progressive and was, like, unsure how you identified or what you were into? And she was like, I'm just going to go person.

[C]

She saw the haircut in the hat and was like, I don't want to say it.

[F]

I don't know.

[A]

She's like, I don't want to Guess.

[C]

I don't want to guess. I want to tip.

[A]

Like, you see someone with Mary's haircut or, like, a woman you think is pregnant, just don't assume.

[B]

You got.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[E]

Those are the two rules.

[C]

I'm getting clogged left and right. She was also like, don't overthink things. And I was like, well, after a psychic reading, what do you think I'm gonna do? Anyway, that was my experience with the psychic.

[A]

Well, what was the biggest. Who walked away with, like, a.

[E]

Like, a. Whoa.

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

Or.

[C]

I mean, I feel. I don't want to share anyone else's psychic reading.

[A]

Oh, like, is this, like, a HIPAA law?

[C]

Yeah. I don't know.

[E]

You guys were all there together.

[C]

We were all there together.

[B]

Who got, like, the biggest reaction or who, like, walked away being like, oh, shit, I've got some things to think about.

[E]

This was a group doctor appointment.

[A]

Did anyone get a. Like, your. Your. Your career is really going to take off or the c. My career ones.

[C]

Were actually pretty good.

[A]

Great.

[B]

Okay.

[E]

That's a good sign.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Is anybody going through a breakup or gonna find the love of their lives?

[C]

Oh, apparently I'm going to.

[B]

You're getting laid and finding the love of your life.

[C]

Finding the love of my life. And then that freaked me out.

[A]

Mary, I need you. I need you to have nothing else in your life other than this job.

[C]

Okay?

[A]

You're not allowed to fall in love right now.

[G]

Oh, well, that's crazy.

[C]

Copy. I'll stay at work.

[E]

Oh, my God. I wish.

[D]

I wonder if the psychic predicted, like, the top baby names.

[G]

Nice.

[A]

Strange.

[B]

How did I know that that's what.

[E]

You were gonna say next?

[B]

Hoping you're like, how do you feel about, like, Liam or Olivia? Because the top 10 baby names of 2024 have been dropped. Why 2024?

[E]

We're, like, two years behind.

[D]

No, it says. Oh, it does say. Well, it's 2025.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Because the top 10 baby names of 2025.

[E]

No, it says drops top 10 baby names of 2024 on the website.

[A]

Is it.

[B]

What is this from?

[E]

We're so behind.

[A]

Okay, so the top top 10 baby names of 2024. Because, you know, we're. We're wrapping 2025, so we haven't counted the data. Yes, all the babies have been born in 2025. How could we possibly.

[C]

Spotify is just ahead of the game.

[B]

Well.

[E]

Well, Nick, this is when Louis and River were both born. So it's. It's our argument.

[A]

Let's piss off a bunch of parents Number one. Liam. Nah.

[C]

No, I think that's a nice name.

[E]

Liam. Liam's cute.

[C]

Every Liam I know is, like, very kind.

[A]

Do you think this is. Do you think this has anything to do with the boy band?

[C]

Potentially, I guess the directioners are.

[A]

Didn't Liam pass growing up?

[E]

Liam Payne.

[C]

Liam Payne.

[E]

Maybe people were naming after him.

[A]

Maybe it's like an honor.

[G]

Liam.

[C]

Olivia is the number one girl name, and that is a one direction.

[A]

I feel like Olivia has been, like, popular for a while now.

[E]

I will say it's a hot girl name.

[B]

It's a hot girl name.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, you don't really see a lot of. Okay.

[E]

I've never met an ugly Olivia.

[A]

Our boys, we got Liam, Noah, Oliver.

[E]

Oliver's cute.

[A]

Theodore. Huh?

[E]

Theo. Theo.

[D]

Teddy.

[C]

Teddy.

[E]

Teddy. Teddy was a nickname.

[A]

James, Henry, Mateo. Elijah. Elijah was the name that I wanted my name to be when I was a kid. That was my. That was my go to fake name.

[E]

Oh, really?

[A]

Elijah. I thought it was sexy and biblical.

[E]

Yeah, Elijah is cute.

[A]

Lucas and William rounds out number 10 for the boys. Olivia. Emma.

[E]

Also a hot girl name.

[A]

Amelia. I like Amelia.

[C]

My niece's name is Amelia. Shout out. Amelia.

[A]

Charlotte. Not for me. Mia. Sophia. Isabella. That's been popular for a while. Evelyn. Ava.

[B]

And Sophia with an F. Sophia with an F. Yes.

[E]

Yes. Evelyn.

[A]

Sophia got two. Two nods in the top ten with different spellings.

[E]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

I think Sophia with an F is kind of chic.

[E]

Sophia with an F and Sophia with a P, H, I, A were both in the top.

[D]

They did.

[A]

Imagine the rivalries between the Sofias in grade school coming up in about a decade.

[E]

That is so funny.

[C]

I would be. If I was a Ph. I would be so jealous of the.

[B]

Fs I was going to say. And also, like, hating the end of, like, if I had an E instead of an A.

[A]

Well, none of these names are in. In our. In our bank for. Well, if we're lucky enough to have more kids.

[B]

So I was gonna say all of the boys names are kind of giving, like, Jane Austen novel.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, we're kind of back to, like, very traditional names.

[D]

I like that.

[C]

It sounds like a man.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I mean?

[A]

We're getting away from, like, comet and cup.

[B]

True.

[E]

We are. We are veering away from the, like, Apple Tuesday.

[D]

I'm gonna bring it back from, like, adjectives.

[B]

Windshield wiper.

[E]

Yeah, from the adjectives and the verbs.

[A]

Wednesday, who was it? What was it? Was it Wednesday?

[D]

Who?

[A]

What's her name?

[E]

Francesca.

[F]

Farago.

[D]

Francesca.

[B]

No, utter.

[E]

It was her. She named her daughter.

[A]

Afternoon.

[E]

Her son left.

[A]

Afternoon.

[E]

Afternoon. But she didn't use that, so it's.

[D]

Kind of pretty, though.

[A]

Afternoon.

[D]

I see the vision.

[C]

I kind of see the vision.

[D]

Like a nickname. After.

[A]

First of all, it's two syllables. And I say this to someone who's named Nicholas. It's just a mouthful. Nicholas. Oh, God. Oh, my God. Nicholas. When? Afternoon.

[E]

That's three syllables.

[A]

Like a sentence.

[E]

Afternoon.

[A]

You need to clap.

[E]

That's the only way I can count syllables.

[C]

I agree. I also do that. Do you count with your fingers?

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Obviously.

[C]

So do I.

[E]

And I still get it wrong.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Wait, are we moving on?

[E]

I'm pregnant. Everyone.

[B]

Cuts out of the bag now.

[E]

Yes. I am having another boy. And I do not have. I do. Yes. Having another boy. Having another boy.

[C]

Boy. Mom.

[E]

I am gonna be a very much a boy mom. So send me.

[A]

Does that mean I'm destined to have girls? I know I am.

[E]

I hope so. That would be fun for us.

[A]

I don't say that like a. I. I hope that doesn't sound bad. I just. Like one son.

[E]

Well, to be honest, I like when I found out that I was having another boy. Like, I'm. I'm happy, but there was a piece of me that was like, I really wanted one of each.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, obviously, when. When Liam pops out. You will love Liam, and it will. You'll never imagine. Liam.

[C]

We just named your baby.

[E]

I am not naming my son Liam.

[A]

Anything but. But, like, I don't know, Leo, as a. As a. As a lady, as a woman, as a girl.

[E]

Yes.

[A]

Like, I imagine, like, Right.

[E]

Like I feel outnumbered.

[A]

It's not even that. It's. I think it's more like. I think for me, wanting to be a father, like, obviously, the way I raise river, you know, like, everything I enjoy, I want to share that with river and see if she enjoys it. Great. And I hope we can share a lot of things. But, like, as a guy. Yeah. I want the opportunity to, like, raise a young boy, you know, and raise them the way I hope, like young boys should be and young men, and raise them to, like, you know, be good men, you know? And I think. I feel like it's more a reflection of me. I don't know. Maybe that's silly, you know? I don't know. But there's something about, like, I don't know. If you had a daughter. There's like.

[E]

I see what you're saying.

[A]

There's like something like, you'll. You'll be able. Like, Nally and River. There's so many, like, woman moments they're going to be able to share that I just won't be a part of, and that's totally okay. You know, river and I have our own wonderful bond. But, like, yeah, there is something about that that I will. If I don't have that opportunity. And that will be okay because I'll be lucky enough to have daughters. It will be something that I will always, like, wonder about, you know, Like.

[E]

Absolutely.

[A]

And that's fine. You know, you'll wonder about, like, what it would have been like to have a boy or a girl if you didn't have that opportunity.

[E]

Yeah, no, I completely. I completely agree. I think.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Again, I'm excited that I'm having another boy. I think Louie having a brother will be really nice. And I guess I am more of a boy mom, like, when I really think about it. But, yeah, there is that, like, bond that mothers and daughters have. Like, my mom is my best friend, like, that you go through and you have where it's like, I still really would love to. To have a daughter one day where I'll get to, like, go through. Yeah. Certain things that only a mother and daughter can.

[A]

Yeah. There's so much truth in, like, the stereotypes and, like, you know, little boys are, like, rambunctious and, like, wild and crazy and they get into shit. And, like, little girls are just, like. Just, like, so much more gentle than boys. Like, we were at Thanksgiving, and Natalie's cousin has a boy almost right around River's age. And just, like, the energy, a little boy and a little girl. It's just fascinating and funny just because, you know, it just plays into the, like, oh, my God, he's this crazy boy. And River's just, like, gentle and then. But obviously, when river gets older and she's a teenager, no doubt they will. She will butt heads with Natalie because that. Oh, like, that just always seems to happen. But when river gets older, like, the relationship that moms and daughters have in adulthood is always. Not always. I mean, obviously with family dynamics can get a little funky, but, like, there's often a bond that a mother and daughter will share later in life that is truly, like, I think, special, and that's really cool, and I'm excited for Natalie to be able to share that.

[E]

Yeah, me too.

[A]

Well, congratulations, Leah.

[E]

Thank you. I am not naming him Liam.

[C]

Did you guys see the Mormon Wives reunion cast photos?

[B]

I know that they did, and they were not very happy about it.

[A]

Well, the reunion was last night. We. We're recording this before we got a Chance to watch it. So if anything like crazy and recky wild. That needs to break. Do we need to break down? We will get to that on we will Tuesday of next week. But yeah, the cast photos were released and it is kind of hilarious because the ladies are not too pleased. It is fascinating because like Jesse called it out that like they take these photos like after the reunion that after.

[B]

A 12 hour day of screaming and crying, we look horrible and disassociated every single time.

[A]

Yeah, they're long as. They're long ass days, you know.

[E]

Is it actually 12 hours?

[A]

I don't know how long this shoot lasted. I mean when I did the first reunion it was like. I don't know, it was probably closer to like six or eight.

[E]

That's still a really.

[C]

That's a long time to like be.

[E]

Talking and being emotional.

[C]

You also want a photo of your fresh glam. Like I know they're getting touch ups.

[A]

And stuff but like it's not the same. I mean it's a long fucking.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And then. Yeah. And these women, it's, it's, it's emotional. They're on edge. Like they're recording this reading before they've seen this before they've even seen the season. So they don't know what's going to be played. And they're like, it's, it's very highly emotional.

[E]

Was this film before Taylor went to Bachelorette?

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Okay.

[D]

The lighting is also just overhead.

[A]

I think it was filmed like in September or something.

[B]

Listen, Bravo has it figured out at every reunion they do the full cast and the individual shoots before any talking happens. So I don't know why you would wait till after somebody's crying reliving trauma from the last year and then you're like, you know what, let's do a headshot.

[D]

Put the lighting in the front and a little backlighting, not overhead.

[E]

I'm just sad that this happened before. Fruity Pebbles gate.

[C]

I know.

[D]

Well, this is what caused Rudy Pebbles to be honest.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. And that's kind of what I'm excited to see. What did Demi share that caused Jesse to be like, you know what?

[A]

Fuck it, grandpa. Do you think it'll be in the.

[D]

In it.

[A]

In the.

[B]

That's what she says. She said something that you'll see in the reunion that Demi did is why she's done like has took the cap off and was like, here is why. What?

[E]

Yeah, what?

[B]

Grandpa Brett drinking like dirty soda.

[A]

That's what provoked me.

[B]

I cannot wait.

[E]

Oh my God.

[C]

I.

[B]

And then did you see Dakota Post posted a TikTok about him saying, when you realize you can date 30 girls without being on a TV show, diabolical.

[A]

Is he just like. Is he announcing his fuckboy era?

[C]

He's like, by the way, announcing it. I'm a slut.

[B]

I was gonna say.

[C]

I feel like, what are you gonna do?

[B]

It's been leaked.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Dakota didn't need to announce it himself.

[A]

Is he going full villain?

[E]

This is my take on Dakota. I think that he needs to let Taylor have her moment of being the Bachelorette and not make this experience about him every five seconds.

[A]

I mean, no one's a bigger Taylor Frankie Paul fan than me, but I do feel like this must be a difficult experience for him.

[E]

It's his fault he lost her.

[A]

It's fair. It's fair. I mean, who knows what happened in the relationship of Taylor, Frankie Paul, and Dakota?

[E]

Well, we do know because it happened on the show.

[C]

It was quite literally on tv.

[E]

He literally fuck me. He literally, like, what was his sex did with her family friend? Her family friend.

[D]

The other girl from season two that didn't happen.

[E]

Cheated on her.

[B]

And then you have the girl that's showing up in the stagecoach footage that apparently slept with Dakota.

[A]

Did the comments. Did he rage bait everyone? Were they.

[B]

He did hashtag like, sorry for the rage bait or whatever. So it's like he knows he's just taken a punch and trying to get some engagement.

[A]

But were people disgusted or were they like most people?

[E]

I didn't read the comments, honestly, but I was like, oh, come on. Yeah.

[B]

I think most people are kind of like, eye roll. Like, we get it.

[E]

That's what I did.

[B]

I was just like, anyway. And she's done filming Bachelorette, right? Because I feel like she's teasing. Yeah, well, she's with her producers a lot, but she. She teased. Maybe not done filming then, but she teased a photo of her with her in her Crocs and a guy in cowboy boots. So it's kind of like. It feels like she's like, at least narrowed down. If they're not done filming.

[D]

Yeah, I don't think they're done. I think she posted something recently.

[E]

What I'm most interested in, though, because I did see a clip from the reunion of. Of Stassi asking Taylor about Chase and, like, was it a date? And I'm like, this storyline isn't going anywhere.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Could you imagine if we all get played and it ends up being like, Chase is who she picks at the end. He comes out like, it's Like a whole spin off, like, crazy.

[E]

Yeah. He comes on to the season of the Bachelorette as, like, the ex boyfriend.

[A]

I mean, it will be. I mean, it will be fascinating if Taylor ends up with someone and it, like, works out for a period of time. Will this person. And then they be on Mormon Wives, right?

[B]

They kind of have to, right?

[C]

Are these, Are these guys auditioning for dad Talk?

[B]

Yeah, because, like, that would be weird if it's like, all right, well, we're together, but, like, while you film that show, I'll stay.

[A]

Well, it is crazy to think about, like, I mean, you're in. The Bachelor experience is wild, right? For anyone, like, in all these people coming on the show, the suitors and, like, you know, obviously, I'm sure some are coming for the attention. Obviously, they're going on tv, but, like, to be like, all right, so great, you're in love. You have now entered the messiest universe of reality TV that, hey, you got to be a part of. And just so you know, the, the, the boys, they don't usually.

[E]

Well, I think everybody who signed up for Taylor season knew it was going to be Taylor, so, like, they had to know. No, they were no getting themselves into.

[B]

No.

[C]

Or maybe they think they know, but they don'.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think they fully have any idea of, of what their world will look like, but it's, it will certainly be fascinating how Taylor's person, assuming she ends up with someone, will be integrated into her life. I mean, like, already, like, that's one of the most fascinating follows of a bachelor couple. You know what I'm saying? Like, right? Because it's usually, it's just like, all right, well, you know, are you guys gonna move? Like, what are you guys gonna do? Like, are you.

[D]

What.

[A]

It's all, like, the same. Like, are you guys planning a wedding? It's gonna be like, so, like, what's in store for season? Well, they've already recorded season four, so I guess we'll have to wait for season five.

[E]

That's my, that's my curiosity about the time always about the timeline of the show is like, so is Taylor gonna be in a lot of season four?

[A]

Because when I think they, yeah, they.

[B]

Yeah, they filmed it a while back.

[A]

They finished. I, I, I'm guessing they finished season filming season four before Taylor filmed. Almost certainly 100%.

[E]

Well, I hope they pick up cameras for the fruity Pebbles drama.

[C]

So do.

[A]

They will definitely pick up cameras and incorporate, you know, Taylor, Frankie, Paul's Bachelorette experience. You know, they have the, like, obviously this is a big crossover. This is like Hulu really investing in their universe. You have like, yeah, you know, Netflix and Hulu and Peacock. They're, you know, they're. It's a streaming competition. They're really trying to, like, find their talent, build their, like, universe, you know, and like, have these crossovers. You're seeing it more and more. The integration with Dancing with the Stars is.

[E]

Right, there's that too.

[B]

I want to see the period of time between, like, I mean, I don't know if they'll be filming during it, but like, this isn't there like a three month, four month period where they've done finished filming, she's picked her person and they have to like, get together in secret or like, hide in disguise. Hide away. Like, like that, that part of the relationship.

[A]

What do they call them? Because if you think about it, the happy couple weekends.

[E]

Happy couple weekend.

[B]

Happy couple.

[A]

That'd be great for my. For. For.

[E]

Oh, that'd be great for mom talk.

[A]

Like, do. Will we get behind the scenes of Dancing with the Stars between Whitney and Jen?

[E]

And Jen, yes. And then Whitney getting Roxy. Like, is that all going to be in the season? I. I want to see all of it. It better.

[B]

I want to see her cameras better be.

[A]

Makes a lot of sense. It's. Well, we love these women.

[E]

You know, what they should pick up cameras for also is I think that they should put Taylor Anne Green back on Southern Charm because Taylor and Green and Sally are feuding.

[B]

Feuding. Apparently on TikTok, somebody made a video about the two of them and Sally's behavior and a comment said it's giving Taylor energy. So then Taylor shows up in the comments saying, totally, because I'm capable of manipulating a doctor into cheating on his wife. Oh, and fully dating someone the entire time they were filming this past season while also trying to hook up with both Craig and Austin. Cue. Watch what happens live. I'm a girl's girl. I would never do that to Paige. Yeah, it's totally giving Taylor energy. Get the fuck out. So everyone's like, oh, my God.

[A]

I mean, Taylor, I love the messiness, but like, why. Why aren't you still on the show?

[B]

Get on the show.

[A]

Get on or get off.

[C]

You know, get out of the comments. Get on the streets of Charleston. Okay.

[B]

We miss you.

[C]

We miss you deeper, you know?

[A]

And listen, you know the plight of the pretty blonde girl, you know, like, you all look the same. You know, us white guys, we all look the same.

[D]

That's crazy.

[A]

You know, what are you gonna do. Wait, is this one thing to be triggered by like, you know, like, being compared to another pretty blonde girl?

[B]

But Sally did see what Taylor wrote and she responded in a story and she said, wild how strangers can confidently strangers state facts in quotations about situations they've never been in and people they don't actually know. Let me just say the rumors circulating online about my personal life are completely false. The only doctor I've been involved with was my ex fiance, and he was well out of his marriage when I met him. Secondly, I did not have a boyfriend while filming this season. Thirdly, the person making these accusations need to. Needs to shut their mouth before I open mine. Art, Sally, is she talking about Taylor.

[E]

When she says strangers? I imagine so because they did a whole season together.

[B]

So I think also in the comments.

[A]

I don't think they really talked.

[B]

Are talking about Sally's behavior as well because I guess I didn't know this, but Sally was on the Bachelor. Yes, yes. So people said that her behavior is consistent.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

She for like two.

[A]

She tried twice. She showed up for like a hot second on Colton season, I think it was and, like, left. It was a whole thing.

[E]

She, like, didn't even make it to the rose ceremony.

[A]

She's like, I can't do this. And then she's like, you know what? I'm gonna try in paradise again. And then once again was like, I can't do this.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Which is shocking that, like, actually that she entered in the Bravo universe, which was way messier and way toxic and like, you know, you don't catch. You don't catch, like, fucking heaters like this in Bachelor Nation.

[C]

They're way too PR trained over there at abc.

[F]

Oh.

[A]

Everyone in Bachelor nations is so afraid of, like, ruffling any feathers. Like the way. Well, the way Bachelor people, like, read each other's Reddit. It's hilarious.

[E]

Based on Sally's reaction to how Craig was flirting with Charlie, she would not have done very well on the Bachelor.

[B]

No, no, no.

[D]

Well, and let's not forget, like, Sally talking about Gaston, Taylor's man last year.

[C]

Gaston.

[D]

Like, that was the whole thing where it was like, why are you worried about my man's first of all.

[B]

But then also, like, wasn't throat choke guy.

[D]

Remember, he was on Southern hospitality.

[B]

He dated somebody in Southern hospitality and Taylor as well. So it's just like they share an ex.

[C]

I know they share at least an ex.

[B]

It's messy.

[D]

I'm happy for Taylor being off.

[B]

Off the show because Sally, also, you're.

[A]

Happy that Taylor's off.

[D]

Yeah, she, like, that's when you know it's a real human. When they're like, I don't want this show. It's messy and it's nothing for my life.

[B]

And she's got her company reset and total.

[A]

I will say, like, Taylor sent me a Reset sweatshirt.

[B]

Uh huh.

[A]

I love it. It's.

[B]

It's so cozy.

[A]

It's cozy. It's great. Shout out Taylor's fit line. But that's. I agree with you, Justin. But like, that's what I'm saying. Like where go. And I say this with love, Taylor. Go protect your heart. You know, go. Like why you got triggered by like a fan saying you guys look alike. Like what?

[D]

Like, I think Sally triggers her because Sally came for her relationship, right?

[A]

Yeah, but like, this was a fan post. Like, just. I don't know, like if this is triggering you for you to like. I don't know what the analogy is, but like some fan, like, again, just like compared them and then all of a sudden Taylor was this, like, she's a lying, cheating bitch.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

You know, imagine if you're Sally, you wake up and you're just like, huh?

[D]

You would be triggered if someone compared you to your arch nemesis.

[B]

Catch me on the wrong day.

Sal.

[A]

I mean, Chaylor, I just. You're better than this. You're better than this. You know, I applaud her or, or. But yeah, but then come back on the show.

[D]

No, she has her peace.

[A]

It does not sound like this does not sound like a peaceful person.

[D]

Listen, sometimes all you need to do is leave a comment and not have it filmed on tv.

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

She isn't doing this for the money anymore. She just did that for the chaos.

[A]

She's controlling her narrative.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Okay.

[C]

Period.

[E]

I don't think anybody would have seen this comment if she hadn't commented on it.

[A]

No, no, literally no one. Like, I mean, it's just like the amount of times I say this all the time. I mean, I. Not. Someone wanted to come on the podcast and respond to some Internet drama and I was like, I just don't think. I was like, you can come on and you know, we'll get the clicks for it. But like, I. I've never heard of this before. And because someone went on to some podcast and you know, it's not a larger podcast, and I was like, you want to come on and respond to something no one's heard about and then come on this show and like blast it out to the universe. Like, you're you're gonna, you're gonna look messy, you know, And I don't think that's what you want to look like, you know?

[B]

But no, you said sometimes the best form of response is no response at all.

[A]

Not sometimes.

[E]

Always.

[B]

Always.

[G]

Always.

[A]

With the Internet. Yeah, with the Internet you're just like, hey, you know, it's just like only you know, because when it's about you, it does feel like everyone's talking about you. I, like, I get what that, what that feels like, but you just have, you can't be in this business and not have some kind of self awareness about the, like the sea that is the Internet and the drama, you know, it's just like. And like this too shall pass, but like to, to instigate it. Like, I get why when people who are on reality TV are messy like this because like, it's part of the gig, right? Like it's, it's work, you know, it keeps the storyline going. Why Taylor's doing it, it makes no sense.

[B]

It's funny that you're saying that because talking about controlling your narrative, Johnny Bananas was on a podcast and he was asked about like Lindsay Hubbard and how he knew Lindsay and he said like, he knew her back when she was a publicist after the calling off of the wedding with Carl, that they hooked up, dated for like a little bit. And then he said a couple months went by and the announcement came out that Lindsay was pregnant and that he like had a little, little palpitations over it, thinking that, like, he could possibly be the father. Lindsay, talking about controlling your narrative, Lindsay pissed posted a story about it with a screenshot of page six of the interview saying, dear Johnny Bananas, in case you've never had the birds and the bees talk, you actually have to have sex to get pregnant. And last I checked, we never hooked up. Get an all red. Get your relevancy from someone else. And let me be clear, my baby is way too cute to be a Bananas baby, period.

[E]

Oh, I love her. She's amazing.

[C]

I love activating.

[A]

Like, that's. That makes sense. And it like, first of all because like this guy pretending to maybe be her baby daddy.

[B]

Daddy.

[C]

Baby daddy Johnny Bananas claiming, is there a.

[E]

He's not a stranger on the Internet. He's bananas.

[A]

Is there a more pathetic thing to claim that you had sex with someone you didn't?

[E]

I don't think so.

[B]

I mean, it's, it's definitely.

[C]

It's pretty loser diabolical.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Energy. Yeah.

[A]

Specifically if you're.

[C]

It's chopped. It's cooked.

[B]

It's hunk and like on a, like unprovoked on a podcast. Like, you know what I mean? Like, it wasn't really like a question of like, did you guys hook up?

[C]

Did you date?

[B]

He just like, offered that information.

[E]

Where.

[B]

It'S like it in it implies that you had sex with Lindsay.

[A]

Yeah. Like he touched a boob and he.

[B]

Was like, you know, maybe it's giving.

[E]

We went in a hot tub together.

[A]

You know, maybe he listened to our, our Clay Neckhart podcast. I was like, you know, anything's possible.

[B]

Somebody sent me a DM about her and apparently she's getting sued by somebody else. She's been running this scam for, like, this.

[A]

Yeah, that's always been the narrative.

[D]

It isn't.

[B]

It's just like, it's. But it's like more people keep coming out and somebody just sent me one recently.

[A]

They need to make like a each docu series.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I don't understand.

[A]

It was wild. Go back and listen to that episode with Clayton if you haven't on ours. It's a. It's a doozy. All right, well, we got Ryan Sirhan coming up next talking about a man who controls his narrative. He is killing the real estate game. And he is on the new season of Owning Manhattan, which comes out on Friday on Netflix. He is up next. And my wonderful, charming, delightful, smart, educated, brilliant, emotionally intelligent and delightful wife also joins Ryan and I next.

[E]

That was. That was great.

[B]

I wish you were in the room.

[E]

To hear the best one yet.

[A]

I just had to warm up, guys. I just had to warm up. I got a little stage fright. Her beauty.

[F]

Anyways, Ryan.

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[G]

No, thank you. Thanks for having me.

[A]

Great to have you.

[G]

You talk about real estate a lot on this podcast.

[A]

Not really really, but everyone is interested in real estate.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you find that, do you find like you're one of the most interesting people at any event because you're like everyone?

[G]

I find I talk about real estate most of my life. Most people I meet either live in a house or need one, so.

[A]

That's right, you know, like should I buy? Should I not buy? Am I Wasting money, interest rates going down or up.

[G]

And what should I do? My landlord said this, my microwave right that, the other.

I'm also impressed by how many people just assume I know everything about all things real estate wherever I am in the world, as if it's all created equal.

[A]

Well, there you go. What don't you know about real estate?

[G]

It my main markets are New York and Florida. For like me as a salesperson, like those are the markets I know like the back of my hand have done them for 17 years. I run my own company now. I started in 2020. We've been slowly expanding, expanding west. And so I get to go and open these markets and then also learn about like what's the difference between, you know, Desert Mountain, downtown Scottsdale and Paradise Valley? Yeah, I don't know. You figure it out as you go.

[A]

Do you find a lot of people are migrating from New York to Florida these days or.

[G]

I think a lot of people migrate out of California and out of New York to Florida and to Texas, into Arizona. Like there's states that are definitely commercialized to incentivize people to live there. Like you'd have to think about every state is a company with a CEO, the CEO and sometimes a co CEO, depending on the relationship between the governor and you know, the individual mayors, especially in a place like New York City. So you know, Manhattan is a big, big, big center of revenue for the state. And then do they treat their employees like they want them to be at the company or do they treat the employees like they don't want you to be at the company? And then there's other companies like you don't all have to work for Apple. There's other companies to go to. So then it's like a fight for employees. And I'm getting very Ann Rand on this, but speaking my language. Yeah, it's how we track, it's how we've moved the, you know, the company. We just sort of like follow the marketplaces and make sure that we're in the places where people want to move from. And then there's life changes and all that. That what you're seeing a lot right now is interest rate divorce.

Where like there's been a locked in effect for people that have, you know, really low interest rates from the past 12 years, especially coming out of COVID where a lot of people refinance sub 3% and then they've decided that they don't want to be together anymore. But people have nice houses and so they're sleeping in separate bedrooms Just waiting for interest rates to come down. And now that rates are starting to come down, I'm telling you, like you're gonna see record numbers of divorce over the next 24 months. Yeah, finally. Because you're like, I can go lock in a better rate with the new guy now. I don't want to give up this rate anymore. It's become a whole thing.

[A]

So do you think you find that many, many of these people are just going through the marriage motions and not separating?

[G]

I think most people have a hard time understanding if they wake up to feel happy or if they wake up to feel important. And I think that's like a meta level discussion to have across the board. Couples specifically typically don't want change. Right. They don't want to. Like it's a pain in the ass. Like it's just brain damage. And then when you have to think about what your monthly costs are going to be and your monthly payments etc and real estate is involved, it's all a part of the equation. And sometimes the math just doesn't math and you'll sleep downstairs.

[F]

We were just talking before we started about the new building in New York City that's like the tallest apartment. Is it the tallest one of.

[G]

Yeah, one of the tallest residents.

[A]

The real skinny one.

[G]

Yeah, 432 Park.

[F]

Yeah, 432 Park.

[A]

And like I was told by a friend and maybe this is like an old wives tale that it was like empty and owned by a bunch of Russian oligarchs.

[G]

Yeah, there were.

No, you know, you'd be surprised. Like New York City as a whole is 70% rental. So like at the end of the day it's, it's actually a little bit more than that. It's predominantly just landlords and institutional companies that own a lot of rental apartments. And most people in New York rent at all price points. It's, it's pretty crazy because the cost of ownership is just so high.

[D]

Yeah.

[G]

And then most of those apartments, let's say 25 of the ones that are bought and sold are bought and sold by New Yorkers. 5% of New York City is investors. Oligarchs which haven't just haven't been around since the war and you know, Asian investors flipping properties. That was much more prominent in like the Obama days.

[D]

Right.

[G]

And coming out of 9 11. Because the United States was just put on this massive, massive pedestal of recovery. And people like deals. It's the same thing here. Like the people that are buying up the Palisades and buying up Malibu are not like local locals who want to go through that again, you know, the pain. It's billionaires in Australia and Japan who just are buying the deals. And you see that time and time again.

[F]

But I heard that like this building, now that it's like finished and people are moving in, it's kind of like starting to crumble. And like.

I heard it like maybe sways apartments here.

[G]

Don't say it definitely sways. It definitely sways. All those buildings sway. If you build a, you put a monolith a thousand feet in the air embedded into the bedrock of an island as it gets windy, because the wind moves much, much faster as you kind of go up the tower, especially when it has these rigid angles. You see a lot of towers are built with, you know, irregular angles and they have these windbreak floors. So you'll look at a building and you'll say it looks like no one lives there all the time. But what it really is is they're all darked out because they're not actually windows. It's space in the building that's somewhere between typically like 40ft high. So a four story building high, roughly every 15 floors or so. That just allows the wind to pass through the building so the building doesn't sway. And then at the top you'll have something like an 800 ton, it's called a tuned mass damper, which if you've looked at like a sailboat, the keel underneath that keeps the boat from flipping over. It's that but on the top of a tower. And it's this massive pendulum that moves as the, as earth moves to stop it from moving. So that Building 432 has all of that. And it's fine, except the way they constructed the facade and the building, it's now starting to show cracks. And they just don't know, is it catastrophic or is it just, we don't know, Superficial. They don't, they don't really know yet.

[A]

You said fine. Like some people talk about their marriage fine.

[G]

Yeah, it's fine. It's fine. So, yes, that there's a, there's a major lawsuit between the people who live in the building and the original developers. And we have a lot of clients who are in the building and we move them there, whether they're renting there, buying there. And some people are like, you know what? But I don't, I could live other places. I don't, I don't have to live in, in, in a building like this. And so we're helping them.

[F]

And how much does one apartment in that building go for.

[G]

I mean the couple that I was just talking to on in the car actually outside and trying to figure out what their next steps are. Because his wife won't go back in the building now just because it's just like she just can't, like she just can't get a. She can't think.

[C]

Yeah.

[G]

You know, knowing that something could potentially happen even though it's fine.

I rented them that apartment. It's a three bedroom for 65, 000amonth. Month. We have a floor in the building on the market right now for $55 million. I mean half floor apartments in that building as you stack up are somewhere between 25 and 30 million bucks per floor.

[A]

Why are we renting for 65 000amonth? Like I feel like that person who can afford that could buy it. Or is it just more like yeah.

[G]

They can always buy it but it's what's opportunity cost on the capital. So I could give somebody $30 million to own this and then it's my problem. Or I could spend 65000 bucks a month month. Which is a lot less than $30 million to live here. If I'm only going to be here for the next year, two years, I don't know what's going to go on. You know their primary residence oftentimes is in Florida.

[A]

To be like I lived in that.

[F]

Building and if something happens someone else can fix it. They don't have to worry about it.

[G]

Yeah. And you have, you have optionality on your life. It's definitely lighting money on fire but you'd be spending the money anyway. Maintenance costs are high. Real estate taxes are, are high. The cost of living in on earth has become incredibly high.

[A]

How's the real estate market in New York these days? I was talking to a friend who lives there and he said like prices haven't really changed over the past. Is that accurate?

[G]

No, not accurate. The average price point in New York City now is higher than it's ever been before. The cost of rent is higher than it's ever been before. The median price is higher than it's like we have. So like owning Manhattan Season 2 for Netflix tracks in real time a brutal deal that gets done for $60 million. And when we did the deal, this was earlier this year, it was the highest purchase price ever for a condo in lower Manhattan. There's been like some 40s and some 50s. But $60 million for a resale condo is, is a lot of money for, for New York City. And those trades are happening now like left and right and left and right.

[A]

What's the lowest price point you will bother with these days?

[G]

Like personally.

[A]

Yeah.

[G]

The majority of my time is spent on building the company now and I, I come in on lots of different types of deals. But I would say like I typically stay in what we call our high net worth division which is Sirhan signature, which is 10 million plus for the most part.

[A]

What is like 2 and a half mil get you in New York these days.

[G]

A great agent who works for me.

[A]

And depends on like say like if, let's say we were in the market, let's say, you know.

[G]

Yeah, it depends on. It depends on where you want to be. You can get a great two bedroom apartment, two bedroom condo, good view, good building checks a lot, a lot of boxes. But like it used to be and I always thought it was crazy like 10 years ago I'd say New York City for like good location. You know, it's where you kind of want to be uptown or downtown. It's going to cost you about a million dollars a bedroom. It's now closer to two.

[D]

Wow.

[G]

Right. It's like 2 million bucks a bedroom. Plus.

[D]

Minus.

[G]

And it's. Yeah, it's sort of. It's slowly becoming the Pied. A terror capital of the world I think. Which means the majority of the owners of that 70% or sorry the 30. Right. Of the owners will end up just being part time residence holders.

[F]

Crazy.

[G]

Who just want to have a place there because there's no better place place than, than New York.

[A]

Yeah. It'd be great to pop in and out.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

But they also don't do it.

[A]

The dream.

[G]

Let's do it.

[F]

New York doesn't do like Airbnbs, another outlawed. Right. Yeah.

[G]

Yeah.

[F]

Why is that?

[G]

Because of hotel tax lobbies.

[E]

Yeah.

[G]

Like the hotels in New York City make a lot of money and it's a lot of tax for the city. But if Jim can just rent his apartment for five nights and may or may not declare the income, that person's now not staying in a hotel and paying all the taxes. And so let's just outlaw that.

[F]

You quickly became one of New York City's top brokers. How do you, how'd you do that from your perspective?

[G]

What a, what a, what a question. I, I don't know. I think I'm just so much better than everybody else.

[B]

Yes.

[G]

You know, at the end of the.

[B]

Day, at the end of the day.

[F]

Honestly, it comes down to it.

[G]

Exactly. I think I, I work a Lot. I work every day, all day, and I.

I follow up consistently. I think follow up is, is, is what you have to be relentless with, you know, and stay on top of everyone. And I really understood how to build brand early on in my career so that you create like a passive funnel of inbound lead flow so that people come to me more to buy and sell houses, then I have to go to them, them. And I think that, you know, more was never enough for me. And I was always just sort of crazy about it. And I got super lucky. Like, Million Dollar Listing New York changed my life in 2012. Yeah, right. And then Netflix changed my life last year in a totally different way. And so I've just always kind of like chased these big brand moments, and they become just massive, massive organic funnels, and it's hard to compete.

[F]

What has been the difference between moving to Netflix?

[G]

Oh, man. Like, Million Dollar Listing gave me the opportunity to knock on a door and someone would open it right when I was like, brand new to my career because I was like 26, I guess, at the time. And so if I was just a regular salesperson, there's 80,000 realtors in new York City. You know, it's just like mass competition. There's not that many deals. And so I would knock on the door and no one would answer. Right. You just work with people, you know, Million Dollar Listing enabled me to knock on a door and someone would at least answer it so I could have the conversation. Didn't mean I would get the, the deal, but at least they would talk. And then that slowly just helped me open more and more and more doors. And I just squeezed that fruit as much as I possibly could for, like, for 10 years. And we did three, three spin off shows. And I mean, it was great, but it was still cable tv, right? It ran, you know, once a week, and then it's syndicated around the world. But then audiences changed, like, like, you know, people started cutting the cord, et cetera. And I don't know if people realize this, but the number one lead source for me or for most luxury goods isn't actually the buyer. It's their kids.

[D]

Right?

[G]

It's, it's the kids at the dinner table or the kids that work as the assistant or the, the young person who's interning who has, like, influence in conversation. And so I always wanted to spin a, an awareness flywheel of how can I hit mom, dad and son or how can I hit mom, mom and, you know, investment banker who's 26 because they're an analyst. And so I always had Bravo, which was to the left. So that would hit one spouse. I'd then do thought leadership. So that was the news. LinkedIn, right? Just nothing goofy, but just talking seriously about the product. And then I would have social to hit the youngest person who would have the most influence. And then I just spun that media flywheel all day long to try to create as much inbound lead flow as possible. Netflix replaced the Bravo bucket like on crack. And so, yeah, season one, Owning Manhattan came out January 28th of last year. And within like four days you could just feel that it had like just a global awareness of the kind that like I'd never experienced. Like we have people right now, like if we're in the city right now, they're outside our building in soho, just like waiting and at a global level in every language to 300 million people in one day. It's, this is the American real estate guy or this is the New York real estate guy. So it's, it's a different level of exposure.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Owning Manhattan drops December 5th. What can people look forward to this upcoming season?

[G]

Murder. Murder, correct.

[F]

Yeah, it is New York.

[G]

Yep, yep. Yeah. Love triangles. Lots of, lots of debauchery. Anything that you want to see in reality tv? The show, the show has, it, it has the, you know, we've the largest transaction I've ever done on a TV show and I've been doing real estate, reality TV for 15 years.

[F]

Can you tell us what it is?

[B]

What's the number?

[G]

It's that one. It's the one for 60. Because we've, we've done large transactions. We actually, I was in a plane on the way to Miami and they were filming it as I sold a place for 160 and then we just couldn't get the sign offs to be able to talk about that on TV. So that one almost was there.

[A]

What's a commission of a 60 million dollar good question look like?

[F]

And yeah, I hope your security isn't here.

[G]

3, 3%.

[A]

3%.

[G]

It depends on the deal. Sometimes it's 6, sometimes it's as low as 2, but it's somewhere between 2 and 6. Unless you're in, unless you're in Florida or you're in Monaco and it could be like 8 or 10%. Yeah. Monaco is an insane place to do real estate. As is Miami, as is Palm Beach. Wow. So, yeah, the season has, I don't know, it really redefines the genre I think of like what it means to watch a reality TV show and I think as people watch it, I think the reason that the first season did so well is it's not, it's not what you think it is. Like, it's, it's, it's just very, very different. Like you're watching people go to work. But it's a deal show. We basically shot the whole thing in real time. It's not bullshit. It never feels fake because it's not unfortunately.

[F]

Such an easy watch. It's like such a great show that like it just has, it keeps your attention. You're like curious. It's, it's fun. Every, everything that's filmed in New York I think is also just like has this.

[G]

Yeah, the city's a character.

[B]

Exactly, exactly.

[F]

And it's, it's such a good show. You also have a six year old.

[G]

Yeah, it gets better. It gets better as they get older. But yeah, she's cute. Yeah, I remember two. Two was okay. Three was, Three was fine. Four is kind of cute. Five, they're just like figuring out things at six. It's like a real person but just like a six year old version.

[F]

What is her personality like? Is she more like you or more like your wife?

[G]

When she's happy, she's like me. When she's angry, she's like my wife for sure. Yeah, I'm, I'm American. My wife is Greek. And so then she's got, you know, the best and worst of both worlds. She's definitely a performer though. No matter what we do or what we say to her, she like really enjoys being in front of a camera. It was like the best gift I gave her was a little camera with like a light where she could just perform her own version of Wicked for hours and hours and hours on end.

[F]

Does she make y' all watch it or is she like. I just.

[G]

Yeah, we have to, we have to watch at the end. Yeah, it's a whole thing. I would say she's. Yeah, we have to applaud, but she's, she's tough. Like she. We had all. My little brother has three kids and they all came over to the house not too long ago from Boston. And you know, she wanted them to do. I can't remember what it was but Xena has like a photographic memory. She remembers every word and every line from every song from like a two hour movie.

[D]

She'll watch.

[G]

It's really wild. And when the cousins weren't playing ball, she's like, well then I'm just not going to play with you if you're not going to do this right, you know, and she's six. And I'm like, that's right. Yeah, go get him. There is no room for imperfect in this house. You know, Go get a juice box.

[F]

What do you think she'll be when she gets older?

[G]

I have no idea. She likes math and being on stage, so I don't know. AI will just do her job anyway. Sure.

[D]

I don't.

[G]

I don't really know.

[A]

I don't know. I don't know.

[G]

I think you're. And you see this too. It's like a two. Maybe not yet with a two year old, but once they hit kindergarten and now first grade, like, you just try to not be overbearing, but you also try to make sure she just experiences as much as possible and kind of finds her way. Like. Do you like piano? No. Do you like tennis? Kind of. Okay, great. Do you want to. I have her in jiu jitsu right now.

[F]

Oh, fun.

[E]

Do you like it?

[G]

She says she does, but she's not a killer.

[D]

Like, they.

[G]

These other little kids will come up to her and just do like full on takedowns and she just goes for the hug.

[A]

Oh, and I.

[G]

And she keeps coming over for like water because I'll take her to that. And I like, have to get her to focus and like, sweep the leg. Like that little dude. His parents aren't here because they don't love him. You have to take him down. Like, I teach her about, you know, Nancy Kerrigan, the whole thing. I'm just take him out, go down. And then she goes back in and she like, tries to give kisses and hugs and like, you'll never. Maybe. Maybe martial arts isn't for you.

[A]

Are you martial arts trained at all?

[G]

No. Which is why I want a kid that can be a badass. Yeah.

[F]

How was it navigating owning Manhattan and raising a kid?

[G]

She's on it this season. She was not on season one. Her birth ivf, that whole thing was a big part of Million Dollar listing back in the day. And then we kind of. But with Netflix, we just didn't know what to do. So, like, my wife isn't. Is barely on the first season. Xena's not on it at all. We just didn't really know what to expect. But then Xena kind of like felt left out. And so we were able to negotiate with my wife to get her to be in there. So my wife is. It's a much bigger part of season two. And she's kind of like the rock for me because my life is in total chaos at all times. And then Xena has her own little moment. She's very excited. She was. She's talked about it every single day since we filmed it.

[A]

So what's something about yourself that people don't usually get to see about you off camera?

[G]

What's something people don't see about me off camera?

[A]

I don't know.

[G]

I. I think I'm. I'm like a theater geek introvert. You know, at the end of the day, I came to New York City to do theater. I ran out of money and I was move home, live with my parents or bartend or wait tables or get my real estate license like everybody else does to. To pay my bills. And that's what I did. And then Lehman Brothers filed for bankruptcy that day in 2008. And then I had no other option but to just help people rent apartments. And, you know, if you're trying to act in New York City specifically, I think anywhere, but it's. It's a numbers game. Right. You just want to be seen by as many people as possible. And real estate's the same exact thing. Like, you just want to meet as many clients as you possibly can. And the best part about New York is no one's in cars unless they're in, like, a taxi. If they're in a car, they typically don't live there. And so you just get to go outside and you get to say, all right, I want to meet 10 new people today. I can do that. It would be really hard to do that here in la.

[A]

Yeah.

[G]

Like, I find LA to be far lonelier than New York City.

[F]

Oh, yeah, right.

[G]

It can be very isolating here compared to New York, where you are forced to coexist.

[E]

Yeah.

[G]

And I think it just brings out, like, the best in. In people. But, yeah, I think people probably assume that I'm insane and out there all the time, but I'm.

[F]

But you're. No, I mean, I feel like you're kind of known for, like, your confidence and your drive.

[G]

Yeah.

[F]

So, like, what. I mean, what does self discipline look like for you on a tough day?

[G]

I think discipline is doing the things you don't want to do.

[D]

Right.

[G]

But doing them anyway. Like, I'll tell young people who work for me all the time, I'm like, the difference between an amateur and a professional in any business is amateurs make decisions based on how they feel. Professionals make decisions based on their commitments. So if you're going to make a commitment to do something, you say you're going to be there by 5 o', clock, you get there by 4:59. Or move back home with your parents. Like, there's no excuses. And the best part about 2025 and 2026 and 2027 is everyone has the same podium now. It has been completely democratized for the most part. Everything now has moved more and more towards meritocracy. Like, it's no longer as much about who you are and where you're from and who your parents are and. And where you've come from. All that stuff helps. But like. Like, if you're lucky enough to be healthy and have sound mind, body and soul, like, you can create anything whenever, as long as you're completely relentless in doing it. So it's just about pushing through the hard times. And even if it's pouring rain and there's dark clouds, like, you force yourself to choose sunshine. I know that no matter what, tomorrow happens anyway, anyway. So, like, what's the worst that's going to happen? I mean, I don't know. I think that's how I. How I push through it as much as I possibly can.

[F]

What is something that you once valued that you don't anymore?

[G]

My wife would totally disagree, but I definitely, I think once valued my privacy that I just don't. I don't care anymore. Like, I'm a total open book. I've written three. They're great, but I am my life and my, like, my income and the career that I've built now has almost kind of been built on the backs of being a total open book and not being completely private and, like, there's no nobility and sitting behind closed doors anymore. Like, if anything, you get to move far further in both your professional and your personal life by putting everything on the table.

[D]

Right.

[G]

And yeah, I think that would be my answer to that.

[F]

And your wife disagrees?

[G]

Oh, for sure. 100. Yes. She is incredibly private. You know, as much as possible. She only does the shows and things because. Because I do. I think she posts something on Instagram once or twice a year. It's just. And I think it's also culturally very different.

[A]

Yeah, right.

[E]

I don't know.

[G]

The European, American. I don't know.

[A]

You got into real estate right around the housing crash in 2008.

[G]

Yeah, that day.

[A]

Yeah. That's crazy. Always a lot of speculation if there's another bubble or things like that. Being the expert that you are, what is your sense on the overall real estate market? And do we ever have to worry about something like 2008 happening again?

[G]

Absolutely. I mean, I Think markets always come in cycles. Things go up, things go down. I think the thing that gives me comfort, though is that every future crash from now on will be a little more painful than the last one, but last a little less long.

[D]

Right.

[G]

Just like Covid. Like the pandemics pre Covid. Whether it was like the, the, the flu of 1918, you know, or, you know, the, the, the bubonic plague where Isaac Newton had to shelter in place as well, and an apple fell on his head. And that's how, you know, he, he, you know, went through his inventions like that's a real story. Everything happens a little bit faster now because there's just, I think 8 billion people and people don't want to sit around and people don't want to have market crashes and everyone wants to get back to it and there's so much capital out there to kind of like move back into place. I think that there won't be a housing crash. If anything, we're in a housing recession right now. We're on year three of the worst inventory we've had in 30 years, the highest rates we've had in multiple decades. An unaffordability crisis the likes of which the United States hasn't ever really seen. In which case, typically the government has to step in and create things like the 500,000 DOL joint married filing jointly tax that they created in the 90s that they just haven't touched in almost 30 years now. I think if there is a, a crisis, I don't think it's going to be a massive stock market crash. I think you have a debt crisis for sure. Like the amount of people that are carrying buy now, pay later debt right on food. The amount of people who have cars they can't afford, houses they can't afford, student loans that they can't pay off. You know, we'll eventually get to the point where you're gonna have to start, you know, writing off all of the consumer debt in some way, shape or form. And I think it's gonna have a big repercussion. Whether it comes between now and 2029, I don't know.

[A]

Okay.

[F]

My mom worked in jewelry sales, like fine jewelry sales for my whole life. And she always talked about how like, romanticizing and storytelling about jewelry pieces was like the biggest thing you could do to sell.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

You, I feel like, are also a really big storyteller.

[G]

Yeah.

[F]

And what do you feel like makes, makes a great story, like to sell the outcome, Right. Yeah.

[G]

So you start every great story with the end And I mean, think about, like a personal relationship, right? The story of the relationship, it's a great one, always starts with where we're gonna get to. And now we get to go enjoy that journey knowing it. Sometimes stories have bad endings, right? Like Romeo and Juliet is a bad ending.

[F]

The building filling with cracks.

[G]

Yeah, right. Everyone goes and finds great new homes. But I think we try to tell. We tell stories all day long about property, about neighborhoods. We invent neighborhoods, we invent buildings, we invent skylines. And you always start the story with where we're going to get to. So what's the outcome we're working towards? And then we reverse engineer the outcome as best we possibly can.

[F]

Now, is that something you teach? Like when you hire someone new, is that something you kind of. Of want, like you embed in them to do in their own career?

[G]

Yeah. Everyone who works with me goes through something called sell it.com, which is a sales training business we have that's B2B. And direct to consumer sales training. It's a pretty big company. And then we educate everybody on. On a lot of different things, one of which is, you know, how to articulate and how to talk, how to, you know, sometimes people just don't talk in complete sentences anymore. They use like maybe your butt and six, seven. Exactly. Yeah, right. It's like we're. It's a problem. But we work with people to really understand, you know, how to have empathy, how to have energy, and how to have enthusiasm. Like, those are the three E's that we'll test for when interviewing people. And it. There's an easy trick to do it where you'll ask somebody like, you know, tell me about the greatest day of your life. And if they're like, the day my baby was born and the story's over, like you, you might have a hard time really empathizing with the enthusiasm that a client has about a property they like.

[D]

Right.

[G]

And you can also test for that by asking somebody to tell me about the worst day of your life. And you're not asking them to just start sobbing. But if they can be an open book with you, if they can be vulnerable and talk about something that's happened in their personal life or whatever they're going to say, you know, that they can meet clients with their. Their worst days, too. I think we just try to hire. And all the agents we have at Sirhant, like, we just try to hire, are incredibly full human beings who can just because real estate, at the end of the day, is a human Experience.

[D]

Right.

[G]

People are. Even if it's just for investment, you know, you're buying to sell, buying to live, and you have to do it with a person until they figure out how a house can sell itself to another house. Once that happens, then we're all, I.

[F]

Don'T have your client list in front of me, but do you work with mainly like business entrepreneurs or celebrities or. Mix of Both.

[E]

Both.

[G]

New York is far less celeb heavy than the west coast, and a lot of the celebrities that we work with, I'd say are somewhat of a pain because they have to make group decisions instead of singular decisions, like working with somebody in private equity or a hedge fund or a banker. Like, they're difficult in their own right, but they make decisions for themselves. When you start working with people who are relatively well known, they have a whole team. They have a team and then it's the minute and it's the other other. And then it's this and then the banker and you're like, do you actually make your own. How do you order food?

[E]

Right.

[G]

It's, it's, it's a process. I mean, our client base is, you know, anyone and anyone on the planet that, that buys and sells real estate. I'd say my personal client base gears far more finance and tech. And tech in some way, shape or form just based on the markets that I've. I've grown up in.

[A]

Well, this has been fun. We have a game for you. You. You like games? The team put a fun game together. It's a silly game. It's a fun game, but yeah, tons of fun. Talking about real estate. I feel like you.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You must be the most interesting man in every little get together.

[F]

It is fun to, like, pick. Yeah. Pick your brain and like.

[A]

Yeah, it's interesting. You know, I used to be an accountant. You know, back in the day, I was like, what do you do? I was like, what was an accountant? He's like, oh, cool. All right, moving on. Bye. Yeah, it's called spin it like sirhant. Oh, we know you're good at selling.

[G]

Okay, great.

[A]

So the team whipped up a couple of nightmare real estate situations.

[G]

Okay.

[A]

And you, you have 30 seconds. No, no, give or take. You know, we don't time you to win. To sell this piece of real estate to our audience.

[G]

Okay, great.

[F]

Yeah, make it a dream listing.

[E]

Okay.

[F]

Property number one.

[G]

Yes.

[F]

Fifth floor, walk up.

[A]

Yep.

[F]

No elevator.

[A]

Yep.

[F]

And the AC unit hasn't worked since Toby Keith was number one on the charts.

[B]

Okay, that's it.

[A]

It's going for $2.5 million.

[G]

For $2.5 million.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Okay.

[G]

So what I would say is this is a diamond in the rough. I know it looks like it's a lot of flights and I know it might be difficult to think about not having working ac, which you can always repair, but it's on a block that is probably the most picturesque block block in town. And eventually a developer is going to reach out to buy this building and the four buildings next to it to create an assemblage. And when they do that, the only way the math is going to work is if they pay you double what you're buying it for. So whether you rent it out or you get new ac, it doesn't really matter because if you buy it for two and a half today, within the next couple years, you're going to double your money and it's just like buying gold.

[F]

And you'll be skinny because you're going up so many flights of stairs.

[G]

Skinny or just huge, like glutes. Awesome. Awesome.

[A]

Not only have you sold it, you created the urgency. It's like, where do, like now I'm.

[B]

Like, we need it.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, I don't care.

[B]

It's cold outside anyways.

[G]

Yeah. Of course. Everyone's got to have the walk up experience in New York though, right? 3rd, 4th floor walk ups like that just. It is a. It is a New York part of it.

[A]

Dream property number two. It's going for five mil and a historic brownstone with seven confirmed go site sightings.

[G]

Seven confirmed ghost sightings? Yeah. I mean, that's probably the easiest sell of all time. That's. That's less than a million dollars. A ghost is kind of how I would look at it more than anything. I think that what I'm looking at there is the provenance of the house. Most homes, probably the majority of homes, don't have the luxury of having confirmed ghost sightings. Right. They're just normal homes built by regular builders and no one actually cares about them. This house comes with incredible, incredible history with past owners who have come through decade after decade, century after century, that when you buy this, you'll be able to eventually probably sell it off to a museum or sell tickets as the amusement that it actually is. So if I'm buying this place, even if I'm scared of ghosts, I'm turning it into an amusement and I'm selling daytime tickets and I'll make way more money than if I ever even airbnb it. I think it's a great investment, investment opportunity.

[E]

So good.

[A]

Random question. Have you ever sold a property that there was once a murder at?

[G]

Oh, yeah.

[F]

Is that how you spin it?

[G]

Well, you know what? So what's a little murder?

[B]

It's a little story. History.

[G]

Listen, New York City, actually, you know, it's very different. One of the things I didn't. I didn't realize between New York and in California is I didn't know that in California you had to declare if there had been a death on the property.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

You don't have to do that in New York.

[G]

No. Cuz everyone's died.

[F]

It's.

[G]

What are you talking about? California is like. It's like 100 years old. People have been in New York City since like the gangs of New York. Right?

[A]

So, yeah, I guess it's not the dying part. I think it would be the murder part.

[G]

Every bill. Yeah. No, you don't have to. It's buyer beware. Buyer does their own due diligence. And this came up like, specifically in the apartment at the new museum building on Mercer when Bernie Madoff's son hung himself. And they were selling that property afterwards. And I had a buyer who was interested in it because it was a SoHo loft. It was like $8 million. And I was like, wait a minute, I feel like I recognize like these beams. And then had to figure out, do I tell the buyer? I think I have to. But then talking to the seller, it's like, well, no, you don't have to. It's up to the buyer. But I'm like, but it's my. I think the dog leash. Like, I feel like I have to mention. So I did, and he pulled out because he was like, I don't. I don't want to live in this apartment. The next person just bought it because it just didn't matter. And I think just renovated it. But it's. Yeah, in New York. No, in New York you never have to. You never have to discuss it.

[F]

That's crazy.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

Last one. It's going for 50 million. It's a modern home in the Hamptons.

[G]

Okay.

[F]

But when the buyer steps into the backyard, there's a snake nest in the pool.

[A]

Yep.

[F]

And it is neighboring to Surf Lodge.

[G]

These are not hard. I thought you were going to give me, like, hard ones.

[A]

That sounds like we're setting you up for success.

[G]

That sounds like a Tuesday for me. Talking about, first of all, snakes are awesome. You get that guy who's that influencer with the snake tattoos.

[A]

Oh, Rob from Get Rob.

[G]

Get that guy to show up.

[A]

Influencer activation.

[G]

Yeah, influencer activation. 100%. You get a bunch of those guys. There's that other young guy that like jumps. He like jumps in those videos and grabs rattlesnakes.

[F]

Robert Irwin would be there.

[G]

100. You get all of them to come, come through. I think you make a reality TV show out of it.

[D]

Right.

[G]

That's like $50 million and snake bit, something like that.

[D]

Right.

[G]

And the winner gets a week at Surf Lodge and gets to be with the DJ and go through that whole thing. There is no $50 million property that abuts Surf Lodge, though.

[F]

But yeah, you know, it's like loud music, someone wants to sleep, and it's like DJ music, house music.

[G]

Yeah. They have curfew though, at Surf Lodge now. Like they have to cut it. And then everyone just gets goes back to different people's houses because it's just so loud. But that place still to this day is wildly rambunctious.

[A]

Ryan Serhon, everybody. Owning Manhattan comes out December 5th on Netflix. Watch.

[F]

So much fun.

[G]

Thank you so much.

[B]

This was so much fun.

[A]

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Our favorite part of the holidays is spending time with our family. From baking cookies, decorating the house and walking around the neighborhood, everyone seems to be in the holiday spirit. And there's nothing that gets us in the spir a Starbucks holiday beverage.

[F]

Now that we have River, I'm really trying to create memories and traditions that she will carry on throughout her life and something that I'm really loving doing. We did it last year and obviously we're going to do it again this year, but it's going to Starbucks. Getting a holiday drink and then driving through the neighborhoods and like looking at all the Christmas lights on all the houses and seeing all the houses decorated and like the blowups in everyone's front yard and like sipping on our warm, hot.

[A]

I look forward to that holiday drink. Also. Back in my sales days when I worked from home, I'd always go to a Starbucks and work because I wanted to get out of the house. And definitely during the holiday season, I get my peppermint mocha and you just kind of see people coming in like different you. You kind of feel the holiday energy with people coming in during Christmas time. It was always just really enjoyable. I really had to get out of the house when I was stuck at home working.

[F]

Well, the peppermint mocha is a Starbucks signature espresso combined with steam milk mocha sauce and peppermint flavored syrup is topped with whipped cream and dark chocolate curls. What more could you ask for?

[E]

Delicious.

[A]

It's honestly how I learned to drink coffee. This was my first Starbucks coffee.

[C]

Peppermint mocha. Yeah, we used to when I worked there, we would put restretto shots in it and we would like mod it a bit.

[A]

Well, it was a white chocolate mocha. And then during the holiday season, I transferred over to the peppermint.

[E]

There's no better feeling than when the cups turn red at Starbucks.

[C]

I know.

[F]

That is so true. Another Favorite of mine is the caramel brulee latte. That one is so good.

[E]

Yeah, that's my favorite.

[F]

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[A]

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[E]

H Ryan makes me feel poor.

[C]

Literally diva.

[E]

Wow.

[C]

Literally diva.

[E]

I'll never own a home. Yeah.

[B]

At least not a nice condo in Manhattan.

[A]

That's not true. Listen, I'm trying to do my part. I'm trying to do my part.

[E]

Thanks, Nick. I really appreciate it. I appreciate you. He's doing this all for me.

[C]

Slim dance Slim Dan made him my top 100. And I texted you, I said, I.

[E]

Made you your top 100.

[G]

It was.

[C]

It was like, no. Is my number eight song.

[E]

I don't listen to 100 artists.

[C]

No, of the songs. And it was Mozart in my Mind, which. I love that song. And I was like, I made you at least $2.

[E]

Thank you.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Now I can buy nothing.

[C]

Yeah, you're welcome.

[B]

Savings.

[E]

I don't think anything costs $2. I bought chapstick yesterday, and it was 350 chapsticks.

[A]

350.

[B]

I was gonna say, how much is a pack of gum?

[A]

How much is that? Why, Like. Like, are you guys using.

[B]

Vaseline is a brand now.

[A]

Petroleum jelly is the only way to go.

[E]

It's really bad for you.

[A]

Petroleum jelly is bad for you.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

No, really, Plastics.

[E]

I'll send you some art, like, Vaseline.

[A]

Over, like, a chapstick.

[E]

Maybe I'm wrong.

[D]

No, there are some. I mean, it depends on, like, who you're asking.

[E]

I mean.

[A]

Yeah. Like, listen, I'm sure we'll get a million responses from people's opinions about petroleum jelly, but I think, like, compared to, like, regular chapstick, I just remember, like.

[E]

When I was buying, like, diaper rash stuff, like, I didn't get Desitin or Vaseline.

[A]

Desitin is definitely different than Vaseline. Desitin has a lot of in it.

[E]

Petroleum jelly has been used for years to help with skin moisturizing and healing. However, some types could contain carcinogenic ingredients.

[A]

Well, sure.

[B]

Petroleum is a naturally occurring liquid found underground that is refined into the wide range of products. Transportation fuels like gasoline and diesel, diesel, heating oil, asphalt, and raw materials for plastic and chemicals. And that's, like, the root word of.

[A]

And now you're chap. Yeah. Yeah.

[C]

Well, it's also, like, listen, we're all filled with microplastics and terrible things. At least your lips are supple.

[E]

I'm not using petroleum jelly, but, like, I definitely had a microwave, like, Mac and cheese last night.

[D]

Leia.

[E]

Whatever.

[A]

Vanderpump season 12. Not season one, part two.

Kicked off. I dabbled in it. The rest of the cast really dove into it. We also have Potomac in Salt Lake to get into. I really. We'll get into Vanderpump, obviously. But to preface, Potomac, this really. This was, like, a sad episode to watch for Wendy. And it really made me think, you know, love the artist, not the. Love the art, not the artist, you know.

Because, like, as a housewife, this seems like, like, one of the good ones. But the Whole time I'm like, oh, God, fraud.

[E]

I know.

[B]

She's giving, like, great advice and like, don't lie. And then it's like, mom talking about.

[A]

How she's spending her money was so charming. It was great. Anyways, Vanderpump. So who do we have? The cast. We have the cast photos. We have the.

[C]

You know, we do. Also, if anyone wants to hear a rapid recap. If they didn't, Natalie's obviously not here. I'm going to do my best. Okay, so here's what happened in VampireNB rules. We know that it's our time. These are still, still the best days of our lives because VPR is back, baby. Basically what's happening is there's a new game of sir verse and they're still hooking up. They're still being trashy, like we know and love. But this time some of them might be gay guys. And one of the new guys is this guy Chris, who thinks he looks like Robert De Niro. His dream is to be Flynn Rider in the live action Tangled. Then there's Natalie, who has an old guy ex named Paolo who also works at sir and she got into a fight with him during her night off that caused drama. She thinks if she got laid, she would be happy, happier. So none of anything that's happened is her fault. And Paula was dating the assistant manager, Demi, until the day before he hooked up with Natalie the first time. And Demi is kind of like the Peter, but she's like more slay about it. But her and Natalie are fine about this. And then there's Marcus, who seems very chaotic and insane and is dating this girl Kimberly. They're best friends with Venus, who is not in a thruffle with them. And Kim doesn't want Natalie to be friends with Marcus and he doesn't know who to defend. So now Kim and Marcus. Marcus are fighting. We've also got Marcus's best friend Shane, who is sober from alcohol but addicted to Succubus women. Oh, also Natalie is a singer from Florida and she's convinced she's going to be famous. Marcus got in trouble for drinking on the job while training the new guys because sir is in sir Bible mode. And we end the episode with a classic Lisa Vanderpump talking to everyone, being like, you gotta get your together, guys.

[A]

So flop or not the classic you can't work here anymore, but you can still be on my TV show.

[E]

You know what? Actually not.

[B]

You're not.

[E]

I. I'm not saying that this was a flop.

[A]

No, it wasn't Are we feeling good about its potential?

[B]

I am, yes. I actually am. I'm, like. It gave first season energy with just, like, these people very badly wanting to be on the show, but, like, also wanting to be aspiring actors, models, and, like, working. Sir shift. Like, I'm like, that's what I want to see. I want to see the drama that goes on in the back alley. I want to see you guys dating and hooking up and auditioning and crying about, like, nonsensical things, because that's what made Vanderpump so good. Until they started making money and trying to, like, make it seem like they were still doing sir shifts when I'm like, you're not?

[C]

Yeah, they all seem poor.

[A]

You know what's really fascinating about this iteration of Vanderpump is now more than ever in the year of our Lord 2025.

Reality TV stars and influencers have a real shot at.

Making it and doing your more traditional work in Hollywood. Like, whether it's acting and singing and performing, it's a real possibility now in 2012, 14, whatever. When Vanderpump started, the crossover was virtually impossible, but now you're, like, a stain on your resume. Our matriarch of Vanderpump, Ariana Maddox, she's hosting Love Island. She's acting on a show on Peacock.

[E]

A doctor show.

[A]

A doctor. I don't know. I don't know if it's a huge role or not, but, like, she's got, you know, she's guest star. She was Roxy on Broadway. I mean, she's. She's. Her star continues to rise. You have Whitney now being Roxy on Chicago. Like, you're seeing more and more, you know, that the success of Dancing with the Stars is obviously proof that, like, you know, the Internet celebrities, they drive viewers. Like, that's. Yeah, that's where the real power is these days. So if. If some of these people actually have talent. Talent, you know, it's actually a lot more possible now for this group of cast members who have dreams of making it in Hollywood than it did back in 2012. So that's kind of fascinating. If this show becomes successful, you might actually see some of these people, like, have some real opportunities. So that's kind of interesting. We did get some interesting discussions from our Vanderpump cast. One is, like, true. It's like, you are happier when you get late.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

That's what the psychic told me when.

[A]

I was, like, super single, like, in my post Bachelor before Nally days. If you think I'm a grumpy guy now.

I mean, every other day, I was always like, what's the point?

[E]

Literally.

[A]

Yeah, it was like that.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

I. I can't argue with that.

[A]

You know, everything. You know, it's just like.

Maybe Taylor's not getting laid. Maybe that's what it is. Maybe Gaston is like, is he out of town? Is he out of town? Maybe Gaston.

[C]

We're back to Southern charm.

[A]

Sorry.

[E]

I still feel like I could get activated, though.

[A]

Like, sure. I'm not saying, like, you can't be grumpy when you're like. But like, you've had friends who are single forever and then they meet someone, and then overnight they're, like, like, enjoyable to be around. They don't sweat. They're like, you know what? Let's just not sweat the small stuff.

[C]

Hey, guys. You know, life is actually beautiful.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Did anyone realize how, like, blue the sky was? You know, that thing of, like, if I win the lottery, you. I won't say anything, but there will be signs.

I won't say anything, but there will be signs.

[E]

That's really funny.

[A]

I will say, Mary, you'd have the demeanor of someone who has a pretty active sex. Sex life.

[C]

I do.

[E]

Mary, you're very positive person.

[C]

Oh, my God. Thank you.

[A]

If we're basing off. Does this person get laid based off of their general demeanor?

[C]

Thanks for saying I have a slutty demeanor.

[B]

That was the first time I've seen you rendered speechless. Yeah, she's like, I have the demeanor of someone who.

[C]

No, hey, you know what? Yeah, I'm. I'm taking that and I'm holding that, and I'm bringing that into the future with.

[E]

She's holding space.

[C]

I'm holding space for that one.

[A]

I. I bet if. If there was a way to do a study. I don't think there is.

[E]

Scientific census.

[A]

If you're, like, an active Internet troll and you're constantly just, like, trying to create mess and you're just criticizing people and, you know, finding things to about and just finding reasons to hate people, you're definitely not getting laid. Almost like you are not happy with. You can't possibly be content with your life.

[B]

You're 100% right. Because there is a point in time when I feel like I could follow the timelines of people's relationships and things. I just found out Sienna Miller's having another baby, and I didn't even know she had a first one, let alone that, like, who she's married to. And it was just kind of one of those things where it's like, wow. When, when you've got too much stuff going on in your own life, you don't have time to be focused on what other people are doing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Imagine your, your, your, your new partner comes home. You're. You're on cloud nine that your new partner brings you flowers. They're like, I've been thinking about you all day. You're gonna be like, hold on. Sorry, I have to roast this person in the comments before, you know, like, no one does. Does that.

[B]

Yeah, I was just about to hit send on this hate comment. Give me a second.

[E]

Yeah, just, just one second. Hold on.

[F]

I'm on.

[A]

The most miserable people in the world are the ones you can't possibly be happy and content with your life if you're out there, like, hating on people constantly. And like, if you, if you are getting good sex, like, it's, it does make you happier. It literally releases, like, things in your body that make you go, you know what? It could be worse.

[C]

Life's worth living. Yeah, okay, but back to Vanderbump. Do we think that Natalie, as the person that really just wants to have sex, can just be friends with Marcus?

[G]

No.

[E]

Or, you know, Nick. What Nick's gonna say the girl who.

[A]

Just wants to get laid.

[C]

Do you think his girlfriend is overreacting or no?

[E]

No, I, I don't think his girlfriend is overreacting. I do think generally men and women can have friendships. Do I think Mark, Marcus and Natalie fall into that category?

[C]

I don't think so either.

[B]

In relation to each other, of course.

[A]

Men and women can be friends. I have a lot of women friends. I had a lot more women friends when I was a single guy. And I still have women friends to this day. But those friendships have drastically changed. If you are prioritizing your relationship the way that you should, you don't have time to have coffee dates with your friends of the opposite sex, especially if they're like good looking people that you would like. Put it this way, it's as if you and this friend got stranded on an island or stuck in an elevator for a period of time.

[E]

Stuck in an elevator, stranded on an island.

[A]

You know, too.

[E]

You know, it's like two very similar.

[C]

Two Tom Hanks movies that happened in.

[A]

Actually.

And he fucked both of them. He fucked Wilson. And I don't know who the other person was.

[C]

Parker Posey, but he broke up with her for Meg Ryan with this hair. Haircut.

[A]

She wasn't. You got mail.

[C]

She wasn't. You got mail.

[E]

Wow.

[A]

Thank you. No, but you know what? I'm saying, like, you. You ever, like, fantasize if you were, like, stuck with, like, someone that you were attracted to? And, you know, it's like, well, I mean, we're here.

[B]

The only person I'm stuck in an elevator with was your wife.

[A]

And if you. If. If you're curious about what your friend looks like naked, you're not friends.

[B]

Okay. For sure.

[A]

If you would look at an nude of this friend.

[B]

Oh, no, you're not friends. Yeah. Being in a long term, I don't want to look at anyone's face. I see everybody as an asexual Barbie. Kendall.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You have no sexual parts to me.

[C]

Here's the wrench in this situation. Do you think Kim can get Marcus to not talk to Natalie if they work together?

[E]

I think Kim and Marcus are going to break up, like, 15 times throughout this season.

[B]

And I also have an opinion on the sense that I'm like, I don't think Kim's overreacting about the whole situation. Do I think her reaction to what happened at the Belmont that night wasn't a complete overreaction? I'm like, you. They're all friends. They all work together. You guys are also just starting a show. In what world are you gonna tell your boyfriend who works with this person that needs to work to communicate with them, to do their job that they can't speak to them? I think that that's actually kind of crazy.

[A]

Well, they're not allowing to speak.

[B]

Well, she's like saying, like, you guys aren't friends. You're not friends. But I'm like, they're work. They're in a work environment that they have to interact with each other. So I'm like, how are you gonna say that? Like, they can't with each other. You guys are all out for drinks.

[A]

After work and professional and cordial and like, hey, this is your demanding quality time with a friend.

[B]

Right? But that's. I'm saying they're saying that they're friendly at work or whatever, and she's like, you guys aren't friends. But I'm like. And even then they went on watch what happens live. One of the big things was that they said that Natalie texted Marcus a good morning text. And then she went on. They were both sitting next to. To each other. And she said that that's not true. And that. And Marcus kind of like, was like, well, no, like, she sent me a text in the morning, and it was just like, that's completely different than what you guys were saying that Natalie did.

[A]

Anything Short of, am I on the schedule today?

[E]

Good morning, exclamation point. Am I on the schedule? You know what I mean?

[B]

Like, that's what I'm saying. It's like the way that, like, it's being elevated. Darling never once sent him a good morning greatly matters. Sure. But I'm like, if.

[E]

Was it just good morning or what came after?

[C]

Was it all lowercase?

[A]

Good morning of the opposite sex need to be sent and delivered between the hours of 9am and 9pm anything before 9am or after 9pm questionable.

[B]

But Marcus also. They were on watch what Happens Live last night, and they were asked about their relationship. They said they have no sexual tension, that they never hooked up, and that she. He considers her like a sister and that they have a brother sister relationship. Kim was also in the audience. So they're still together post season, obviously, but I don't know. They're denying that there was ever any tension or anything between the two of them. So I'm kind of like, if they're both saying it, is it everybody else making it more dramatic than it is?

[A]

Probably. It's reality tv.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like, so that's where I'm just like, I don't think she's doing any. I don't. I'm kind of Team Natalie on this one where I'm like, I don't think she's doing anything wrong. I understand that she's a hot girl that's messy, and I think she has.

[C]

The intention of maybe doing something wrong. And. But I also don't think at this moment, you can. You can say she's doing anything.

[A]

She's giving. Yeah, she's giving. Like me. Am I the villain? If I did I. Wait, I just sent an innocent text. I mean, like, friendly, like, oh, my God, I can't help anyone.

[B]

That's what I'm saying. But she also had, like, three guys throughout this whole episode that were like, that she's into or that she's dating or whatever, and she's not. And Marcus wasn't one of them.

[A]

How do we feel about Chris Hahn, formerly of Perfect Match?

[D]

To me, what kind of ruins it is the fact that they have, like, reality stars on it already. Like, Chris and his cousin were on Netflix shows.

[E]

Like, well, they were on Dated and Related. Right? And then Chris was on Perfect Match.

[D]

Like, he's this big star. That's why I'm like.

But, like, he's established, like, this is a show of people that are supposed to be nobodies.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Well, it's also just like, his whole thing of just being like, I want to be a famous actor. I want to be Robert.

[A]

I was just like, yeah, sorry, Mary, go ahead.

[C]

Oh, that was it. It was just like, him. His whole thing of just, like, wanting to be a famous actor and being like, I kind of look like Robert De Niro. I'm like, you're. It's just very obvious what he's trying to do on the show. And I'm like, I kind of want you to be friends with these people, too.

[A]

He's kind of dripping helping with, like, reality TV desperation, which kind of works.

[B]

But I was just gonna say I kind of appreciate it because I'm like, hey, be transparent. Like, most of these people signed up on the show because they want whatever's gonna happen next, and they're not looking for love. Exactly. Like, and they're not signing up on a dating show being like, oh, my God, I can't. I have to get married blindly. Like, I didn't know that. The love is blind. Like, you know where I'm like, it's Vanderpump Rules. You're all aspiring wannabe actors, singers, performers that work a waiter job.

[C]

I think with him. I think I'll enjoy him more once he connects with the rest of the group, because he's new, too. So it's like, I think that's my only thing with him right now.

[E]

You can tell because they needed another cast member.

[B]

I think he got a job at Sir.

[C]

For the show.

[B]

For the show.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

He's Lala.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Lala got a job at the show. She's never had a job before outside of modeling, and then gets a hostess job and ends up on Vanderpump Rules. Like, Venus's hair is giving. Isn't that the painting Venus coming out of the.

[C]

Yes. Birth of Venus.

[B]

Thank you. I was like. Like, I was like, if it's not that, it's a perfect show name.

[A]

Who's our Jack?

[C]

Birth of Venus.

[B]

Who's our Jacks?

[F]

Marcus.

[B]

Marcus, for sure. Marcus is like, a mixture of Jax and Tom Schwartz because it's kind of like he's like, who's the hot.

[E]

The.

[B]

The hot guy, Quote, unquote.

[F]

Shane.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

It was like, Shane is supposed to be, like, the Brad Pitt of the show. Like, the. The, like, hot male model. And then Marcus is like, yeah, you know, like, I do like catalogs.

[A]

So Shane's are Tom Schwartz.

[E]

No, Tom Schwartz is Marcus. No. Marcus and no.

[B]

Marcus Kim are Kate, Jax. Yeah. Jackson, Kim.

[A]

You know, their own.

[C]

I don't think it's a true one to one.

[B]

Well, because I was going to say Shane Connor does give the Tom Schwartz because he's the. He comes in with, like, a notable laugh. He's the hot model guy that gets all of the girls. It's like, if Tom Schwartz went on the show single, this is what most likely it would have been like.

[E]

I do think they're all. To your point, Nick, they are all very different.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Like, it does feel like a different show.

[B]

There's, like, a little bit of a formula, though, with, like. There's the formula or like, the Stassi and Jax fighting.

[E]

Oh, I guess you're right.

[B]

The couple that ties everybody together.

[D]

I think Jason's the hottest.

[A]

Interesting. Well, you have interesting taste in men, Justin.

[D]

I think he's hot.

[B]

Oh, he's Shane's roommate.

[D]

He's the cousin.

[B]

Cousin. He's cute.

[D]

He's. The eyebrows.

[B]

He's got the eyebrows. The eyebrows.

[E]

Love. You love straws on him.

[A]

All right, well, we'll see how this season unfolds, and we'll certainly get some cast members on to learn a little bit more about them as the season plays out. All right, Potomac. Like I said, Wendy, I don't know. It was.

[G]

It was sad.

[D]

I just saw that the judge denied Wendy and her husband to be tried separately.

[A]

Man, I wonder what that means. That's a question for Emily Baker.

[C]

If they go.

[D]

That was like, a question for Emily. I read that, and I think that's like. Like, yeah, Like. Yeah.

[B]

So, like, they're getting, like, tried as, like. Like, like a team.

[D]

I think they asked or petitioned or whatever to, like, be tried separately, but I. Whatever. It means the judge denied it.

[B]

Interesting. Where do you know if Theresa and Joe were tried separately?

[D]

I have no clue.

[E]

Yeah, pro.

[B]

Well, they got different.

[A]

Is she facing, like, real jail time? Yeah, probably. Right? Yeah.

[E]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I think it's like, three.

[C]

Three years.

[B]

No, probably more.

[A]

I mean, whether she. What. What she gets sentenced for. I mean, if she's found guilty.

[B]

See, but yeah, right. If it's all those counts, which was a lot, was like 16 or something.

[A]

Anyway, I assume we have a rapid recap, Mary?

[C]

Yeah, we do. So if you missed the last two episodes of Real Housewives of Potomac, here's your rapid recap. At Pride, K was mad that Monique didn't care. Stacy went out with Chris Samuels, and Monique was like, yeah, I hated that guy. He treated me like a piece of meat. Who cares? But then apparently, Kay found out that Stacy snitched and told Chris Samuels that Monique said that. So. So who knows? However, also, Cookie, who hates Stacy, and Monique was the one that told Chris and, like, whatever. So Stacy thinks she's cool and safe with Tia, but then Tia thinks she's lying about not knowing Chris Samuels that well. Also, Wendy is like, well, what the about me. And also, angel is still mad about the catfish comment, but mainly she's mad at Wendy now, and she thinks the interactions were that she had with Wendy were mercurial in nature future, whatever that means. And Giselle has an event for a reason to be shady, but Robin doesn't come because she's mad at Bravo or something. And the girls are like, you won't support your girl. Also, Tia popped off on Stacy for lying about her dinner plans, and they're not friends anymore, so they're not safe spaces. And K doubles down on Stacy by bringing up the alleged Chris Samuels conversation. Then the girls call Chris, and he doesn't know what the anyone is talking about, but they still think Stacy's lying. After all that, angel and Wendy get into it, and Wendy is like, this beef is one side excited. Angel thinks she's being gaslit by Wendy. Finally, they kick Stacy out of the party, and everyone gets together to bond over trashing Stacy. And later, Stacy and Monique finally chat with the girls about the phone call. Stacy denies texting Chris and calling Chris, but Chris did text her. Wendy then thinks it was either K and Cookie, Angel, Giselle, or Stacy that called Chris Samuels. Monique ends the conversation with a warning to Stacy that Chris Samuels is a messy and she should be careful.

[A]

Oh, I'm team stage. Is he?

[B]

Yeah, I was gonna say the same thing. I was like, it's nice to see, like, the women kind of being like, all right, it's too much. Like, we're over it. The joke is tired. And then Giselle having that group of women over to, like, just trash Stacy. Like, do you guys have nothing better to do?

[C]

Literally.

[D]

Do you remember this is how we found out that Monique was returning to Potomac because she was seen at Pride.

[B]

No.

[D]

With cameras. Like, those were the photos that started circulating. And everybody's like, Monique.

[B]

And I love that. Monique is just like, I don't really give a fuck. Like, I was having a nightmare co parenting with this man. This man did not treat me or well. So you just be careful. Like, she doesn't. She's not here to, like, bash on other women. And I love that. She's like, I've grown. I've taken time to myself. I don't need to, like, sit here and be involved in this messy shit.

[D]

Which I think is good, considering why she, like, removed from the show.

[B]

Right.

[D]

She's coming back being herself, not activated.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, all I know about Monique outside of the season is the scene with Candace and the hair, which is awesome. But.

[D]

But we don't condone.

[C]

We don't condone. Obviously don't do that. But to see Monique this season, I'm like, sh. She is awesome. Like, she is. I'm like, I want to be like Monique. Like, she rocks. So I'm team Monique in most cases.

[A]

Why do you think they all hate Stacy?

[C]

Because Stacy's the Brittany Bateman. She's just, like, kind of on her own plane and easy to make fun of.

[E]

I love the Brittany Batemans.

[D]

Who brought Stacy in last season, do you remember? Was it Karen? Like, I feel like she was brought in and then probably, like, left out on her own.

[A]

I will say, though, at the end, that was like. That was a warning.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

You know, when she was like, I. I divorced him for a reason. Most of the reasons people don't know about. And I'm, you know, is it like. Like he did some shit. Monique made it seem like she was forced to divorce this guy because of something he did. Where it was. She made it seem like it wasn't like some, like, you know, we just fell out of love and it doesn't work out. Like, he, like, yeah, like, he's a messy bitch. But I also feel like Stacy was, like, been there, done that.

[E]

It's.

[A]

It was over and done with. It also was.

[C]

Yeah. Stacy's also back with Teemu. Yeah, his name's not Timu.

[A]

Well, like, I gotta say, though, trying to save your marriage and being a housewife is a Bananas.

[B]

Like, you can't do both.

[C]

Johnny Bananas.

[G]

How do you.

[A]

How do you try to do both?

[B]

You either have a functional relationship or you have boundaries when it comes to filming periods of what you will and won't talk about. Or it's just. It's a mess if you're not on the same page getting on a reality TV show. It's the same thing. Like, can't remember who came on and said that, but, like, having skeletons in your closet knowing that you've done illegal things. Like, it's like Caroline Stanberry. Yeah. If you think that all of that is not going to come to. To the. To the front of everything, then, like, you're crazy. The fact of the matter is, if you're having marital issues, you're going to see it play out, so. And people are going to pick up on it. So even if you're trying to pretend a lot of people call it. And a lot of relationships end on Housewives because it's like you. People are seeing it before the person that's in the relationship even sees.

[A]

I can't say I agree with Stacy when she was, like, doing her, like, in the moment and talking about her and Timo getting back together and. And how, like, he's not living there and that, like, she's like, we just told her we got divorced. And, like, at first it's like, her reasoning kind of makes sense, but at the same time, it's like, wait, like, these are her. This is mom and dad to their daughter? And why wouldn't she want to, Like, I mean, I guess to me, that just really says that they're clearly on the fence. Like, if you know you're getting back together, you would. You would celebrate that with your kids, right? Like, the fact that you're reluctant to. That you're being cagey with your own child.

[B]

I'll defend Stacy to, like, some point, especially with the girls coming to.

[A]

Not criticizing. It's just. Oh, no, no, go ahead.

[B]

I was about to. And I was gonna say, is that, like, kind of what Wendy said when she was trying to figure out who told Chris Samuels where It was like, but Stacey has lied in the past past, has lied now, and she will lie again in the future. So I'm kind of, like. It kind of also feels like having a rough season last season, that it's, like, making sense to bring the ex in, but now there's no, like, commitment. But it's also like, you guys can't talk to me about TJ or who I'm dating because now I'm with my husband. But, like, we might not actually be together. Like, they might not actually end up getting back together by the end of the season.

[C]

But still she rises.

[B]

But still she rises. I also think we're going to see a bit of Stacy having a villain era. I love it because it started coming through with the finger and the cookie was out of place. But she was literally, oh, my God.

[C]

And when she was, like, talking to K and she was like, oh, you're at a two now. This is awesome.

[B]

Oh, I bring this out of you. I'm so glad. Like, I was just like, okay, wait a second. We're about to talk about.

[C]

Talk about drama. Talk about stones.

[A]

I thought that Ashley is a conversation their mom was very endearing and sweet. You know, talking about what we were talking about earlier in the episode about, like, mothers and their relationships with their daughter. Daughters. Honestly, I think I was like, thinking about that scene I was watching yesterday when I was speaking about it, but because, yeah, she just, like, you can see that real, real bond there. It really endeared me to Ashley.

[B]

It kind of made me think about what you were talking about last week too, or maybe it was two weeks ago, but about being in a relationship and, and how sad it is for some people not having the support of their partner. And that was like Ashley's gripe with her mom's partner is that like, like she's watching her mom break her back, working till end of days to have a partner that doesn't support her. And I think that that was really interesting seeing that coming from a daughter to a mother and her being like, please, like, just think about that. Like, this person isn't. Isn't good for you.

[C]

Yeah. Because it's like you just, you just want to, like, help your mom. Like, you just want, like, the best for her.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and come back to Wendy when she was talking about her relationship with her dad and she was talking with her mom and she was, you know, her and her sister sat down talking about, like, she doesn't know what like a, a mother father relationship looks like. I mean, this is like a big leap, but, like, given Wendy's current, you know, allegations, do you feel like something like that at least, you know, assuming this is an authentic conversation with her sister, like, it's a real world problem, like people having, like, broken relations with parents and like the impact that has on your life and the way that makes you like, chase certain types of validation and do things maybe out of character. I mean, and I'm not trying to give her an excuse. It's not like, oh, if you don't have a relationship with your dad, you're going to commit fraud. Obviously that's not the correlation, but like, it's. I don't know, there's something about this episode when we got to see with Wendy and like, knowing her allegations, it just really made you wonder how this person who seems to have such a good grasp on her life and a healthy outlook on things did this allegedly terrible thing, you know, or you're just just sloppy criminal behavior. I don't know. It's just like, just. It was really bananas.

[C]

I think it's just you're trying so hard to be a housewife, be this person, be this perfect couple, and then for tv. And then you also kind of combine that with the family dynamic and just how important that is because of, you know, the family dynamic that you came up with and, like, trying to make that perfect. And I think it's. To your point, Nick, I think it's really just about, like, that strive and drive for perfection that you can kind of just make decisions maybe you wouldn't normally make in order to achieve that because you. You feel so deeply that you need it.

[A]

Yeah, well, she talked about, like, wanting to have her dad be proud of her and let her accomplishments and things like that. And. Yeah. Does that, like, we've talked about this before, like, the pressures of living up to the expectations of a housewife, like you kind of alluded to me, Mary, and then couple that with, like, feeling this need to prove something and suggest that the reason why your. Your parent abandoned you is because you didn't feel good enough, which I. I imagine psychologically is a pretty common, you know, feeling people. People feel so. Makes me sad. I hope she beats it. This episode alone made me want Wendy to beat it.

[B]

I do, too. It's not looking good, though.

[A]

Yeah, I know. All right, well, it's. The season's getting good. Well, we have one more show to get into before we call it a day. Salt Lake City. Well, this episode made me slightly feel bad about saying I was in my Bryn villain era.

[B]

That you're in your Bronwyn villain era.

[C]

That he thinks Bronwyn is a villain in this era.

[A]

Yeah, for me, Bron is in her villain era. She's entering in it. But then I was like, maybe not. Maybe I spoke too soon. But then also I was thinking maybe.

[E]

I was right because she got the wrong housewife.

[A]

Ooh, hey, listen. To each. To each.

[C]

Are you gonna do what I think you're gonna to do?

[A]

I felt a bit validated when Brawin admitted that she does very much care what people think, which was kind of the point I was trying to make on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap, which is like, she. She needs this more than she should. And I feel like it's turning Brahwen into someone she's not.

[B]

I think we also, with that moment of getting that validation from her mom, I think she's wanted that her entire life. Ever since she, like, quote unquote, messed up by getting pregnant. Premarital, whatever, like a teenage pregnant pregnancy. Then I'm like, I think that we're seeing, like, actual healing happening as well. Because sometimes when it's, like, hearing that from the one Person that you've always wanted to. Most people never get that. And she got that moment of, like, hearing from her mom that, like, you've done a good job raising your kid. I'm proud of you. So I'm like, now. Now I'm like, what's next for Bronwyn?

[A]

Yeah. I mean, it really is a very endearing conversation with Brahman and her mom.

[B]

See, I think we need that from Aussie, too, because the last past couple conversations, I've been like, all right, that was rough. Okay, Bob, you know what I'm actually.

[E]

Like, thinking about right now is that maybe this is why Bronwyn doesn't like Britney so much, because she's seeing a lot of herself in Britney's daughter.

[A]

Seeing a lot of herself.

[E]

Britney's daughter, like, because last episode. Last week's episode was all about Britney and her daughter trying to heal their relationship in therapy. Right now, we have Bronwyn trying to heal her relationship with her mom. And it's.

[A]

I could see more of it, like, Bron projecting her opinions of, like, obviously, I imagine Bron's relationship with her daughter is very special and sacred, and she obviously invested a lot of herself to be the mother that she was to her daughter. And to see Britney appear, you know, drop the ball, as Britney kind of acknowledged when she was on our show and going deeper, I feel like. I just feel like Bron judges Brittany a lot where she, you know, she's like, we're not. Not the same. I was. I didn't do what you did, you know, And I could see that being frustrated if she didn't get validation from her mother to almost kind of be more critical of people that she doesn't think, like, stepped up. Because clearly, Bron made a lot of sacrifices for her daughter. I mean, to be a mother, a single mother at such a young age, like, literally couldn't imagine what that's like. I mean, like, you know, me neither. Natalie and I are, like, we really help each other out, and we are very lucky to have so much support and help with childcare, whether it's grandparents to be a single mother and then have your own mother not feel like you have their support at the age in which Brolin was. Must have been incredibly difficult. And so to see Britney act as selfish as she did in those years where she kind of, like, chose men over her kids, I can see why Brolin has a point of view that's critical of Brittany.

[C]

You kind of can see it, too. I forget which episode it was, but when Heather was Talking about her daughter's going, like her youngest daughter going to college. And like, the reaction that Bronwyn kind of had to that of just being like, you know, you could see her projecting a little bit onto Heather too. Not saying either of them were wrong about Bronwyn being like, well, why would you want your daughter to leave? Like, I just want Gwen to stay here. And I think it's just that was.

[E]

Last week's episode where she was talking because talking about moving.

[B]

You saw that with good. She's talking about a previous episode.

[C]

Previous episode. They kind of got into it a little bit and it was. It's interesting to kind of like, see the full context of like all of these relationships. This is very like, if last season was about marriages, kind of this season is very much about, like mothers and daughters.

[A]

Yeah. All right, well, let's get to Mary's rapid recap and then I will still argue my brahwen, my bro and villain point.

[C]

If you missed the most recent episode of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, here's your rapid recap. Bronwyn apparently doesn't want to open her marriage anymore because she wore a blow up suit to pick up Todd at the airport.

[B]

Airport again.

[C]

Also, she's officially in America now. She wasn't before. We just didn't really think it was like going to be that important of a plot point, so we didn't mention it. But yeah, she's throwing a Betsy Ross theme party because it's Housewives. Whitney doesn't know how to separate work from play because her business failed when Justin got involved. Let this be a lesson to every single woman on reality television. Keep your girl boss business to your damn selves. Okay? In other news, Heather got an air fryer and her daughter is going to college at the University of Tampa, Miami. God's speed. Prayers to you and your dry.

[A]

Like, I don't know how much studying is going to happen there.

[G]

Yeah.

[C]

Then at the aforementioned Betsy Ross party for Bronwyn's American citizenship that is just now happening in the year of 2025, the girls don George Washington wigs finally and argue over a colonial themed ambiance while spilling tea, much like they did in Boston all of those years ago. Britney revealed she had a 4.2 GPA and was salutatorian at in high school. Also, she broke up with Jared again because someone Whitney le leaked that she was flirting with one of the bosons from the blow deck crossover. Angie is mad that Lisa bought a horse and Whitney chose the nuclear option to Spearhead her. Meredith is an alcoholic and a pill popper by saying to Meredith, alcoholic, pill popper. Then Meredith retaliated by giving the girls goodie bags with drug tests and caviar for all of the women to take. And a relevant note is that Heather did bring a flash to the event that all the girls were hitting the entire time. Also, Heather felt gaslit by Meredith because Meredith said she was lying about what she did on the plane. And this is a trigger for Heather because of her Mormon roots. The episode ended with a without resolution for any of the drama. But much like the Constitution itself, all the women declared amendments for the drama that they will not ratify the First Amendment. According to Meredith Marks. Stop the reactive abuse.

[A]

That was wild. That was bananas. I've said bananas so many times this episode.

[C]

It was Johnny Banana reactive abuse.

[A]

Like, out of nowhere. It was like she was like, in a different argument and then all of a sudden, like, showed up to the this one.

[C]

Awesome. I love Meredith. Mike, Leia, watch your mouth about what you're going to say about her.

[A]

I'm going to wrap up my bra in point, which is like, you know, so when they were, you know, killing the beef or throwing the tea in the river or whatever, the. Whatever the beef. Killing the beef. They were killing. Killing the cow, spilling the tea, whatever they were doing. Spilling the tea. And Heather brought up the Todd farting thing.

[E]

Yes.

[A]

And Bravo was like, shut the fuck up. Throw that. Throw that tea.

And then Bravo. Like, she's like, families and kids are off limits. Which I agree with. Like, I think, like, again, like, channeling our Heather the Bro again. Heather the Bro is a perfect example of doesn't need this shit, does it for fun. Heather the Bro might not be my favorite housewife to watch, but as a per a person and a peer, I have mad respect for Heather Debrow. Like, the way she's able to navigate this very messy universe. Universe with the class that she pretty much does. And then able to maintain her marriage and her family in a way that never seems to really be sacrificed by this show. I have mad respect for someone who's been able to do that. Right. And what I like about Brawn is she really seems to be like, like season one kind of different than in the best possible way from a lot of the Housewives where she can. Like, again, she knows her own limits. But what I don't get, it's like, fine, if that's your. If that's your boundary, then why. Why are you filming scenes with Todd platforming a Rumor, you know, like, why are you doing that? It's like, I don't. You know what I'm saying? It's a. It's a big contradiction to, like, these scenes that she's doing, talking about opening up her marriage. And I don't know how serious it is, but, like, she. She willingly will bring up her own marriage. And, like, yeah, she has the right to do that compared to, say, if Lisa or Meredith does it, but why do it, period? I. That's. That's the part I don't get. And again, I've heard nothing but great things about, like, Todd and Brawn as humans outside of the show from a lot of people. And I would love to have dinner with Brawan and Todd. And I'm just like, I don't get why in season two. And maybe it is because she worries about what the fans think, and she's reading the comments and she's sucked into this very intense, addicting world. And that kind of makes me sad if she, you know, maybe she's playing us all. Maybe she's in full control of what she's doing in her narrative and her choices. But I. It makes me sad that she is responding to whether it's the other housewives platforming rumors or the fans and their expectations of the housewives of, like, what they think of them, how they think they should act, or whether they think they're authentic enough or not. You know, I don't think Heather Oper, like, Heather Debo, I don't think she operates based off of what fans say about her. It makes me sad that it's. It Broadwin is. Is giving that she is kind of doing that. And I think if you start doing that, then you become. You become a villain in your own story. It's like, it's an. You know, I don't know.

[E]

Do you think that Heather Dubrow is able to do that because she's been on the show for so many seasons and she's learned to do that. I wonder if, like, Bron Wing, she's only been on one season so far, so, like, perhaps she could correct that. Maybe, like, get used to it.

[A]

And from now, of course, I mean, she didn't commit a capital crime. I'm just like. I'm just kind of like, why? Why? Why? You know, like, you know, is. Is Todd off limits? Is he not off limits? Or, like, is. Is. Is Todd just a supportive husband that, like, is, like, down to, like, be there when you do this show or is he, like, part of your storyline and Is your marriage truly, like, in. In, you know, in question or, you know, like, God bless Bron. If she is trying to thread the needle and in full control and like, this is all just. She knows what she's doing and her marriage is fine and yada, yada, yada. But that's the part I don't get.

[B]

Well, I kind of have a hot take on a different relationship, and that was Whitney and Justin's sit down. That.

[A]

That was awesome. That was also wild.

[B]

I kind of felt like. I felt like I understood where like, Lisa and Mary and other people in the past have come from because I've always felt like Whitney defends herself all the time.

[E]

Time.

[B]

I think this was the first time that I kind of felt like I watched Whitney, like, put herself in the victim situation because all the women always have an issue with her victimizing herself. And I'm like, I think it was kind of. I don't know. I. I didn't love the fact that you had to sit down with your husband to blame him for the failure of your business. Whereas if you had no say in what was going to happen and because he finally supported you as if he hasn't supported you in the past, that, like, now that this business didn't work out, that it's like hit his fault.

[A]

Yeah. It was a tough. Go ahead, Mary.

[C]

I think it's. It's interesting to. To watch her kind of put on completely project again just like all of the failures of this business onto their relationship.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And the way not their, like, personal, like marriage and stuff, but that's obviously part of it. And I think my read of that scene was a lot of her just being like, the mistake was, was us getting into business together in our relationship. Does that make sense of kind of like blending the two, but it's also your fault.

[B]

But then she also said in the beginning, like, that she was excited to work together because they started working together in the beginning and they work so well together. So it's like, it feels like because it failed because she trusted Justin's instinct or whatever. But I'm like, at the end of the day, you also said that same day that you signed that deal, you met the people to put your product in Sephora and also Malta. So I'm like, there, there seems like there was time to make a decision and we just went with something. But I think to put that blame fully on Justin, when Justin's lost his job based off of being on this show, like, he's. He's lost a lot Staying by your side and committing to things. And he hasn't sat there and put you on camera being like, well, you know, I lost my job. I don't. And even then she was bitching at him for not having a job that she caused him to lose.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And then he's like, okay, well, I'm doing the best I can. And once she starts, once he got a job, she was like, well, how are we going to take care of the kid? Like, you know what I mean? It's just like, like it's like it's always somebody else's fault where I'm like, just take some of the responsibility. Because it just, it kind of just felt like we're watching you explain why Wild Rose Beauty didn't work out. And then it's. But it's not my fault. It's. It's all based off of Justin.

[A]

I mean, these scenes when it's always a husband and wife talking about what seems to be like, real personal. It always blows my mind because I'm always like, I always just know how the sausage is made. And I'm just trying to figure out like, like how that conversation started, where it's like, all right, and then do they prep? Does, like, does Whitney and Justin have a conversation off camera? I assume they do to, like, kind of like preface what they're gonna talk about, or does he sit down and like, be like, hey, we're just gonna talk about, like, you know, the business failing. And then all of a sudden they sit down, the cameras are rolling, and she's like, yeah, it was all your fault.

[B]

Well, and then she also, like, extremely denied the idea of her being an mlm. And then it was like this entire conversation was as if it was presented like an mlm.

[C]

Yeah, okay, this is where I was confused. I think I got lost in. In the sauce of this convo because they were saying mlm and I was like, are we talking about what I think we're talking about? Are you openly admitting that you, like, made a multi level marketing business? Like you create a pyramid scheme, but.

[B]

Like, the whole thing was the denying of the rumors and like people making up stuff about the business.

[C]

And it was just tiktoks. It wasn't actual rumors, whereas leases were like lawsuits.

[A]

It's hard to.

[D]

Know.

[C]

Yeah, it's an. It was an mlm and like, we just should have gotten out of the MLM business part of it sooner. And I'm like, well, why did you start it as an mlm?

[B]

Well, and then she also said that it was a part of Justin's business. So I'm like, does Justin have a. Justin start the MLMs? Like that. That was the only other option of him supporting your business versus getting a meeting with Sephora or Ulta.

[C]

I've just never, like, every time people start talking about MLMs, it's like a lot of businesses get accused of it because they are. But. But why would you admit that?

[B]

It reminds me of that scene of the Office with Michael Scott and he's like, no, you get two more people and, like, draws in the job. Then Jim does the triangle.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He's like, no, it's.

[C]

It's a pyramid scheme. Like, why are you admitting on camera that your business was a pyramid scheme? I don't understand. And I love Whitney down. I love Whitney Down. I'm just like, girl, keep that to yourself.

[A]

Can we talk about how hot Angie looked in her outfit?

[C]

And Mary, I thought Mary with her little beret over the wig, I thought.

[A]

Angie was the best dress. I thought Heather's outfit looked great. But Heather was giving like Hamilton. If women wore slacks in the 1700s, that I would crush this outfit, you.

[C]

Know, Heather looked like a politic, a modern day politician.

[A]

Yeah. She was giving George Washington. And like, Angie was like, girl, if I was like, you know, if I had a log cabin back in the 1700s, I would.

[D]

I would.

[E]

You have.

[B]

You would be chopping wood.

[A]

I would be chopping wood.

Angie looked hot.

[C]

Angie is.

[B]

Angie is hot.

[A]

Well, yes, I've just. But in this particular. Maybe I have a thing for.

[C]

You have a thing for Betsy Ross.

[A]

Something A lot of the Revolutionary War era.

[C]

Yeah. It was really funny about Bronwyn's dress.

[B]

Reveal the Constitution dress.

[A]

I was like, I mean, very, very, very on brand.

[C]

Yeah. Lisa and Meredith not dressing up at all, but then still having to wear the wigs.

[B]

Oh, no, I'm over it.

[C]

Dress for the theme.

[B]

Mary bringing her own wig and then laughing yourself being like, I look so stupid.

[A]

Listen, I am not a fashion nova, so, you know, I can fuck. I can fuck the right website, but what. What the fuck was. What the fuck was Meredith wearing?

[C]

Hey, watch your mouth.

[A]

Was this a Brooks special? Because it looked. It looked like a fancy trash bag.

[C]

Well, once you put that wig on, it was serving down colonial style together, period.

[A]

It was almost like it was block. It was almost like, is she dressing in a colonial costume? I don't know.

[E]

Watch the reactive abuse.

[C]

Reactive abuse, sorry. Her giving them. Her giving them drug tests.

[E]

Oh, my God.

[C]

In Meredith Marks bags with Meredith Marks caviar in it.

[B]

I love them. And pulling out the caviar first. And it was like, okay, cool.

[C]

What else is in there?

[B]

And it was like, huh, this and this.

[A]

So it. It is definitely Meredith's fault for just not owning her mistake and just the way she.

[D]

She.

[A]

I mean, it's the lawyer in her. She'll never admit. She'll always deny, she'll always deflect. It's. It's quite impressive.

[C]

Possible deniability.

[A]

But for Whitney and, like, ultimately had, you know, Meredith kind of made her bed. But for Whitney and she did this. It started last episode. But the way she's just like, I know three people alcoholics, and you must be like, the way she, like, therapized Meredith and then diagnosed her, like, to have a drinking problem. Like, again, assuming we believe Heather and Mary and Brittany and what happened? It sounds like Meredith was absolutely a bully on that plane and was mean and got activated. It was angry and had a bad day. And, like, it would. It wouldn't shock me to learn that maybe Meredith Marks in her earlier years was a bit of a mean girl. Like, that wouldn't shock me. It's not the end of the world. Like, maybe we've all been. Had our moments where it's like, yeah, I was kind of a little. I wasn't like my most pleasant. You know, I wasn't getting laid. I wasn't getting laid. And I was kind of a.

That doesn't mean you're an alcoholic, like, to come out and just.

[E]

That was intense.

[A]

That was crazy for Whitney to do that. That was bananas.

[E]

I actually agreed with Lisa Barlow there.

[A]

Where it was just like, drink every time.

[E]

What? But then it's also like what you're talking about with the deflecting, like, the victim. It's just like she's then saying like, well, it's because this is a trigger for me. Me.

[B]

You're bold enough to call somebody something like. And. And. And we're not even saying, like, you have a drinking problem. You called her straight up alcoholic pill popper.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

She pulls out the.

[E]

The.

[B]

The thing. And I love that Meredith, where I'm like, I get. Meredith deflects whatever. But Meredith was just like, I think anyone who's accused me needs to take the test. And it's just like. And while Whitney's like, already putting it away, and she's like, I'm fine. It's just. It's just alcohol. And it's just like, why are you accusing somebody if you're not willing to do the test? Then, like, why are you accusing someone?

[C]

Here is. I have. I have defend Meredith Marks in this case. And my statement. All right, number one, Whitney, you're referencing your father. You're victimizing yourself. In what way is. Because I remember the season with your dad. In what way is Meredith similar to your dad at all? You can doth not to equate these two people. Okay, second off, Heather, you're talking about how Meredith like, I mean. Yeah. Is she low key, lying? Sure, whatever. But don't say that she's gaslighting fighting you because you feel traumatized because you were Mormon. I'm sick of it. I am sick of Whitney and Heather just being like, we have trauma from being Mormon, and therefore, anytime anyone kind of lies to us is a little bit sassy, it triggers us into our Mormon ruse. I'm like, look at the Mormon wives. They're fine.

[B]

Okay, third, still practicing.

[C]

Let a girl live. And that's my defense.

[D]

I think you twisted a lot of that out of context.

[C]

Nope.

[D]

I think Heather Gay was saying that she was gaslit when Meredith started changing the story and saying she didn't just call her alarm liar. So that's where she brought up gaslight.

[C]

I don't know what you're talking about.

[D]

And also, Meredith threw the first jab of pills, crazy pills, before Whitney did. So Whitney was responding.

[E]

This is.

[F]

This is the thing.

[E]

Okay.

[C]

But then Whitney went alcoholic pill popper.

[D]

So Meredith brought it there.

[A]

And it also started last episode where she was diagnosing Meredith.

[E]

Well, yeah, see, this is the whole thing. And this is part of the reason I love these women and I love this show and it's unmatched. But it's like Meredith is just, like, lying. Like they're all.

No, no, I'm saying they're. They're like making this whole thing into something it's not where it's like, she does. It's concerning that she doesn't remember. It's like, no, she remembers.

Like this became something it didn't need to. Where it was just like. It's like it became this whole thing where she's like an alcoholic pill popper, and it's like, no, she's a liar. She remembers everything. She's just lying about it.

[B]

But Meredith's number one deflection is calling everybody else a liar, so no one can call her one first.

[C]

Also, at the same time, yes, maybe she did lie about that. But also, Meredith. Mike, she's never lied about it.

[B]

And to be fair, she did apologize to Britney. Maybe she didn't like, go step.

[C]

She had a genuine apology to Britney, but she was sorry. She made her feel better.

[B]

She said, we're gonna move on and we're gonna be cordial. So I'm like, so why are all of you hyped up on?

[D]

I'm glad Britney just stayed silent. She was like, I already. This isn't my battle to take. But fight for me.

[E]

Because, you know, Britney would have chimed in and said something and she would.

[B]

Have made talked yesterday.

[A]

She would have.

[C]

She, brity would have 100% would have made it.

[A]

You know, she's just sitting there, like, clunching her fist, being like, don't. Just don't do it.

[B]

Y. She's just singing, frozen in her head.

[E]

The whole time, so happy that this is all about her.

[C]

Yes. They're all defending her. That's why she's silent, because she finally doesn't have to say what about.

[A]

I'm telling you, Britney, she is a valedictorian. 4.2 GPA. Let your fans fight your battles.

[B]

Salad Victorian.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Wait.

[C]

Oh, okay. I'm sorry.

[A]

All I know is Angie. Angie looks smoking hot. That was my Angie.

[E]

Like, smoking hot. And Bronwyn's the only one who knows anything about America.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Did you guys know those questions? Nally crush.

[C]

Oh, no, I. I knew most of them, actually.

[B]

I would say how.

[E]

But by the way, this is the classic example of, like, Americans not knowing anything about American history.

[A]

And Bravan cheated. She, like, she just took the test. Everything.

[E]

Yeah, well, but I never had to take one.

[B]

Yes, you did. U.S. history.

[E]

True.

[C]

It really won't sit well in my heart if we don't talk about the horses.

[B]

The horses. Oh, Renting and owning a horse.

[C]

Renting and owning. Owning a horse and being like, I'm going to get a second horse. And then Angie going, what are you going to do with the second horse? And then you're going, that's none of your business.

[B]

She goes, oh, interesting. What are you going to do with.

[A]

This other horse to do with the first horse?

[B]

Like, we love this show.

[C]

That's nobody's business.

[B]

Whatever. Like, the rivalry between Lisa and Angie that's going on right now, Like, I have to say, it's one of the most entertaining things because it's never getting too serious. It's never, like, too deep.

[D]

No.

[B]

But it's like, it's every episode, there's something going on between the two of them being said back and forth. And then today, Angie is seen in an Arby's ad captioned, I'll do fries when they're this good at Arby's because remember her whole thing about throwing shade at Lisa about Wendy's? I do franchises, not fries. And now Angie is up against Lisa.

[D]

I love this.

[C]

Literally.

[D]

Figueroa.

[E]

Actually, I don't think I've had either one of their fries. Which one's better?

[B]

Arby's for sure. Arby's has curly fries.

[A]

I could speak to.

[C]

Oh, that's true. The curly fries.

[B]

They have curly fries. And I feel like I just don't like Wendy.

[A]

I'm not curly fry guy.

[C]

That's crazy.

[A]

I do love Wendy's.

[E]

When I ruined your fries, your Wendy's.

[A]

Fries I with Wendy's. They have good Frosties.

[B]

I did actually have Wendy's for the day and that up my stomach for the next two days. So yeah, no, I love Wendy's.

[A]

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