E1046 – Going Deeper with Hilaria Baldwin

Summary

The Viall Files — E1046: Going Deeper with Hilaria Baldwin
Date: December 10, 2025
Host: Nick Viall
Co-hosts: Natalie Joy, "The Household"
Guest: Hilaria Baldwin

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Episode Overview

In this “Going Deeper” episode, Nick Viall, Natalie Joy, and the team sit down with Hilaria Baldwin for a vulnerable, candid, and often funny conversation. Hilaria, mom of seven and wife to actor Alec Baldwin, opens up about motherhood, navigating public scrutiny, trauma and healing after pregnancy loss, the challenges of raising a big family, marriage dynamics, and being a frequent subject of tabloid controversy. The group also discusses pop culture moments, Dancing with the Stars, reality television, parenting in the public eye, social media, and the importance of embracing one’s uniqueness.

Tone: Warm, personal, honest, and often humorous—with moments of vulnerability.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Parenting Young Kids & Family Dynamics

• The group swaps stories of “terrible twos,” differences between sons and daughters, and the chaos of big families.
• Hilaria details her experience with children of different personalities, joking about her 3-year-old daughter:
  • “She swears. She gives me the middle finger.” (Hilaria, 04:23)
• Shares funny anecdotes about her youngest, the “karma” child who is “non-stop” and “spicy.”
  • “My mother tells me she’s my karma.” (Hilaria, 04:09)

2. Miscarriage, IVF, Surrogacy, and Pregnancy Loss

• Both Hilaria and Natalie share their experiences with pregnancy loss and the impact on mental health.
• Hilaria describes her late-term miscarriage at five months, the aftermath, and the grief that follows:
  • “You have to go home and... your belly is a tomb. It was something to create life and now it’s a tomb.” (Hilaria, 15:56)
• Discusses IVF, decision for surrogacy, and society’s silence around miscarriage:
  • “To pretend that you’re okay when you’re not okay is very hard on top of being really not okay.” (Hilaria, 10:25)
  • “I wanted to help open the door for people to talk about having a miscarriage while they're having a miscarriage.” (Hilaria, 10:01)

3. Marriage With Alec Baldwin & Navigating Generational Gaps

• Hilaria met Alec at 27; he was 53. She recalls his decisiveness about wanting kids immediately:
  • “For six weeks, he shook my hand... he’s like, ‘We’re gonna get married, we’re gonna have kids. I need to know you wanna have kids.’” (Hilaria, 21:57)
• The couple’s 26-year age gap and blending boomer and millennial mindsets:
  • “I was trying to make him a millennial… One of the biggest mistakes I ever made…” (Hilaria, 41:14)
  • “Once I allowed him to be his culture, to be his boomerness…” (Hilaria, 41:36)
• Almost divorcing after their second child:
  • “Baby number two...often does that to couples…once I got to three babies, I kind of embraced chaos.” (Hilaria, 41:09)

4. Managing Public Scrutiny, Tabloid Culture, and Rumors

• The group discusses being targets of online negativity and misinformation.
• Hilaria on bizarre rumors, like her secretly hiring surrogates and “moon bumps” (fake pregnancies):
  • “No, no, there’s a really funny one...It’s a room full of surrogates I have in another apartment.” (Hilaria, 31:30)
• On her much-criticized accent and code-switching:
  • “Who gives a f***? First of all, who cares?... It picked at my Achilles heel.” (Hilaria, 34:43 & 36:04)
• Addresses the infamous “red carpet” moment (“When I’m talking, you’re not talking!”):
  • “What I was disappointed in was, where’s my girls at? ...It could have been a viral moment for woman empowerment, but it was framed improperly.” (Hilaria, 37:14)
• Strategies to cope:
  • “You get good at letting it not be debilitating.” (Hilaria, 29:16)
  • “There’s a huge business...of tearing people apart. It makes a lot of money. They wouldn’t do it if it wasn’t making them money.” (Hilaria, 29:21)

5. Raising Kids in the Spotlight & Media Decisions

• Explains her decision to share children’s photos to reduce paparazzi chase and tabloid bounty:
  • “Our first child was $95,000...I donated all of that...I started Instagramming them. You put the photo up, the lower the bounty is, and less harassment you get.” (Hilaria, 71:47 & 71:57)
• The importance of family transparency:
  • “The only way that I’ve known to go through it...is to be as open as possible, because kids are very smart, and they’re gonna fill in the blanks.” (Hilaria, 48:02)

6. Dancing with the Stars and Pop Culture

• Hilaria candidly discusses her Dancing with the Stars journey, why she described her exit as being “bullied off” due to campaign voting tactics:
  • “What they do is they make these campaigns that they’ll vote for every single person except the couple that they want to go home...It is bullying.” (Hilaria, 62:48)
• Challenges Bobby Bones to a dance-off in good humor.

7. Resilience, Identity, and “Secret Sauce” in Marriage

• Hilaria’s advice on making relationships work:
  • “You have to want to...The moment you don’t want to make it work anymore, you can’t convince the other person that they should be in it.” (Hilaria, 73:31)
• On romance and keeping connection strong:
  • “He’s very romantic and less romantic. I’m very practical...You gotta keep that part of your life very funky, very spunky.” (Hilaria, 75:08)

8. Parenting & Technology

• Discusses phones and social media with her 12-year-old:
  • “She has a phone. And I regret it. And I haven’t given my other one. And she’s the one that the other ones will get. No phones.” (Hilaria, 76:05)
• Encourages open conversations with kids and balances tech with real-world experiences.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “My mother tells me she’s my karma.” (Hilaria, 04:09)
• “I’m not doing this again...your belly is a tomb.” (Hilaria, 15:56)
• “To pretend that you’re okay when you’re not okay is very hard on top of being really not okay.” (Hilaria, 10:25)
• “For six weeks, he shook my hand...he’s like, ‘We’re gonna get married, we’re gonna have kids. I need to know you wanna have kids.’” (Hilaria, 21:57)
• “No, there’s a really funny one...It’s a room full of surrogates I have in another apartment.” (Hilaria, 31:30)
• “You get good at letting it not be debilitating.” (Hilaria, 29:16)
• “I wanted to help open the door for people to talk about having a miscarriage while they're having a miscarriage.” (Hilaria, 10:01)
• “He’s the one. I’m always like, what’d you say on the interview? What’d you say?” (Hilaria, 68:38)
• “You have to want to...and that’s the secret sauce.” (Hilaria, 73:31)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Introduction/Banter: [02:11]
• Parenting anecdotes and family chaos: [02:23]–[05:48]
• Pregnancy loss, IVF, surrogacy journey: [05:50]–[15:56]
• Public scrutiny and infamous rumors: [29:13], [31:23], [34:43]
• Accent/code-switching discourse: [34:43]–[36:04]
• Red carpet moment / tabloid framing: [37:02]–[38:49]
• Marriage dynamics and nearly divorcing: [41:02]–[43:51]
• Dancing with the Stars experience: [61:58]–[66:04]
• Parenting, social media, and paparazzi: [70:40]–[73:16]
• Advice for relationships – secret sauce: [73:16]–[74:48]
• Keeping romance alive: [75:08]–[75:57]
• Phones and kids, parenting tech: [76:05]–[77:21]
• Holiday plans and family traditions: [56:11]–[57:33]
• Conclusion and book promos: [79:10]–[80:19]

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Themes & Takeaways

• Authenticity in Vulnerability: The episode models how open conversation about grief, loss, and blame can foster community and understanding, especially about miscarriage and motherhood.
• Navigating Fame as a Family: Hilaria’s approach to tabloid scrutiny and social-media “bounties” on celebrity children is practical and protective.
• Marriage through Difference and Adversity: The Baldwin “secret sauce” is consistent commitment and willingness—a choice to show up and keep growing together despite generational, cultural, and external challenges.
• Defiance Against Negative Narratives: Hilaria and Nick agree that tabloid narratives don’t define reality; owning one’s story (and humor) is key.

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This episode serves as a heartfelt, real-time portrait of family, fame, and personal resilience. Hilaria’s honesty and humor make it illuminating for anyone struggling with public judgment, relationship challenges, or motherhood—in or out of the public eye.

Transcript

[Nick]

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You're.

Hilaria. Welcome to the show. Am I saying that right? I want to get that right.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yes. Hilaria, Nice to Thanks for having me.

[Natalie]

We're so excited to have you.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Thanks for having me guys.

[Nick]

We are so excited to have you.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

So you guys are working together? We're working together and have baby together. We have baby together and. Talk to me about. Talk to me. Has she like entered the terrible twos yet?

[Natalie]

She's a really good kid. She's really good. She is learning now a little bit of like pressing boundaries. We've definitely started a timeout that she doesn't really stay in, you know, but she. She's a really good. She's really good. And we took her to the park yesterday and it's so funny to see the difference between boys and girls. She's just so like, she sits and watches and all the boys are like fighting and throwing sand and like roughhousing.

[Nick]

And she started calling me Nick over the weekend.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah, that's cute.

[Natalie]

Yeah, you know, it's very like.

[Nick]

No, I was like. And so I told Natalie, you got to stop calling me Nick. I need like, I need a pet name because she's babe.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah. Well, sometimes my kids call my husband Alec Baldwin. Both of them, first and last. Alec Baldwin.

[Natalie]

How does he respond to that? Is he like, yes, how can I help you?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah, I mean, we're like, we're pretty. I think we like lean into the funny in our house. So it's kind of. It's just more fun. I mean, the kids are just so funny. Although I have to say I had my first girl because I had a girl and then I had four boys in a row and then two girls. And so my first girl was that just kind of sit there, we'll start easy. I was. Look at these kids that are running around. And then I had the four boys and yes, very much like that. My sixth child girl, also very. She's a little bit more. A little more spicy. The baby, she's so bad. She is non stop. My mother tells me she's my karma. She's.

[Natalie]

She's like, how old is she?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

She just turned three. But like, no, everything is climbing on things how I was. Yeah, I was just so I have to say that some. There's some of them, they just come out.

[Natalie]

But it's funny that it took it to be your seventh for you to get.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

She had to be here. And I named her after me too. I did. Yeah. It's kind of like I kind of brought into existence.

No, she's very funny. And it's funny because like my first ones, they were so like pretty well behaved. They didn't swear they were pretty. Like, good. This one, she swears. She gives me the middle finger.

[Nick]

How old is she now?

[Natalie]

Three.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Just turned three.

[Nick]

Wow.

[Natalie]

And what? Like, how do you. What do you do?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

What's the response? Obviously, she knows how to do these things because the older ones have taught her, and. And because they think it's funny to see this little thing doing these things. And the problem is I laugh, which is like the one. Don't do that. Don't laugh. But I do. And so then when I say to her the other day, I was like, don't say that. Don't do that. That's nice, that. Sorry, don't do that. That's not nice. And she said, but you laugh yesterday. And I said, I did laugh yesterday.

Very yesterday. So, yeah, no, it's just they grow through the phases.

[Natalie]

What is the age gap between your first and your second?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

21Ish months. Wow. So I had. And then 14 and a half months, 20 months. And then I had two losses. One was particular, was late. It was like five months. And so my next one is two and a quarter years, something like that. And then I have a surrogate baby who's five months after that one. And then I was like, I'm not having any more babies. And then the baby that gives me the middle finger came forth.

[Nick]

What made you guys decide to have a surrogate baby?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

So I turned the scary female age of 35. It's not scary. Spoiler alert. But they might very much scare you. And I had a miscarriage. And everybody's like, you know, you try ivf? I'd never tried it before. Just much more secure. I did. That was the baby that I lost at, like, five months. And I was like, maybe my body doesn't. You know, it's great for a lot of my friends. That's how they had their family, is the only way they could have their family. And maybe it just didn't work for me. And almost, you know, I think one of the things for women who suffer losses is we. I know we're not supposed to blame ourselves, but we often do. And so I was just completely heartbroken because, you know, at that point, you basically have the baby. Your milk comes in. It's a very hard physical experience. And.

So I was like, I'm not doing this again. I find out I'm pregnant a month and a half later, naturally, with my fifth child. And then I was like, I'm not carrying this other embryo. So at the same time.

My dear friend who's our surrogate, she carried Mary Lou. And that's how we did that. And that's when I was like, sure, I Was like, okay, our family is done. Complete everything. And then again, the.

[Natalie]

So you found out you were pregnant and you were. Were you just obviously scared from what had happened previously that you were like, I just. I can't go through this again. I need someone to carry this for me.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah, it was. It was such a traumatic experience because you. I mean, science, anybody who's done IVF knows that there's certain markers. Like the embryo was like, whatever, like the a. It was. Everything was going so well, you know, and my body felt different. Like, it didn't feel. It just felt different. And everybody kept on saying, as they do to women, it's all in your head. It's all in your head. I didn't feel my first move until, like, more typical, like, around 19 weeks, something like that. Right. For the first one. Because typically women feel their first one later. And then subsequent pregnancies, you feel earlier. I felt my other ones before 12 weeks, little flutter, almost feels like a little fish. And with the one that I lost, I didn't feel hurts like I did. And then I stopped. And as I. You know, we'll talk about. And they're like, it's too early. It's too early. This is. I know you felt the other ones, but, like, maybe it didn't. And it's too early. And I remember to the appointment, which was just a regular appointment. I walked there, and I walked and I walked and I walked. And I had this feeling there was just something wrong. Yeah. And I go there. I'm trying not to cry as much as I talk about it, but I go there and they put the monitor on me, and she was dead. And it was like, you know, at that point, you know, it looks like a baby has its fingers and its toes, and then you have to go home and.

You still have the baby inside of you. It was just. It was not a happy experience. So I was very traumatized from that. And again, then your body goes through the experience of things that you had a baby.

Once she came out.

But there's no baby. So I was like, I'm not doing that again. And again, nothing against ivf. I just. That was my one experience with it. And then obviously, somebody else carried our. Our other embryo. Perfectly perfect. And. And she's here. And I also love that they're five months apart. It's like. It's so funny. They're like. They're like the funniest things.

[Natalie]

Well, we have been very open about it. I have suffered through three miscarriages after our first daughter yeah. All this year. And it's. Yeah, it's something that I feel like isn't talked about in a way that makes other moms who've gone through it feel like they're not alone. You know, it's kind of only talked about in a way where it's like, don't get pregnant because this could happen. You know, it's like a scare tactic in a way. And not in a way of like, I've also been there.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah. I mean, I. I definitely through my experiences and I'm a bit older than you and sort of having kids before you, I. I felt that way. It's almost. I wonder if we're not listening to it until. Until it happens and then we tap into something. I went with my first miscarriage. It was different because it was her heart. I don't. Her or his. Her. I actually don't know what. What. What that baby was. It was where I was naturally pregnant with. But the heartbeat was never right. It wasn't like in the right number. I think it was too slow. And I would go. And they said, maybe it'll correct, and maybe correct. But I was doing all this research. I was like, there's no chance. So I went on the Today show and I talked about it right before I went to my appointment that this is the one before the later miscarriage. And I wanted to talk about it because I felt like people weren't talking about it. And this is a while ago. This was pre Covid 2019. And I said what I wanted to do was help open the door for people to talk about having a miscarriage while they're having a miscarriage. Because a lot of times. Which only if it's right for them. Because every person is allowed to have their own journey. Right. However we want to deal with grief is completely valid. But to pretend that you're okay when you're not okay is very hard on top of being really not okay. Yeah. So I wanted to do that. And I would get people, tens of thousands of people writing to me and sharing their own story. People who celebrate the birthday of the baby every. Every single year. People who never had a live child. And they get that thing of, like, they don't know their identity. Are they a mom? Yeah, I think they are, totally. Because they had that connection, the giving. You know, being a. Being a parent is having extra love to give to another being and you can come into motherhood. And many. I have a stepdaughter. She's my baby too. And so it is a Very. I'm glad that you guys are talking about it a lot, and it definitely needs to be spoken about more, because I do think that, you know, being a mother and being a father is not always benevolent. You know, there's really hard things.

[Nick]

Yeah. I mean, it was an incredibly tough situation, obviously, more. I mean, for both of us. I saw, obviously, Natalie go through that emotional journey, you know, just connecting as a mother, as you say. I mean, I'm so sorry it happened to you. Losing after carrying that child for five months.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

There's so many stones that you get through where you feel like you're in the clear. There is a level of comfort that you get. Okay, that's three months. Did it tell everybody? You know, so. Yeah, no, that was really hard. And then it's also hard. And you guys can relate to this. Of the ones back to back. Yeah. Because then people start treating you differently. I remember that one doctor was like, oh, two in a row. Well, at least you have your other children. And I was like.

Okay.

But, you know, it's part of being an animal, being human. I mean, it's not always, but you keep on trying if you want to, and. And it'll happen. I really do believe that.

[Natalie]

It's so, you know, our. Our stories different. You know, we had. I had my daughter river at 25, and found out I was pregnant. Obviously, like, very excited. I. You know, a few weeks in, I kind of start bleeding, and I'm like.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

You know, with her.

[Natalie]

With my. With the next. Oh, with the next baby, my doctor, my sister, everyone's like this, you know, spotting's normal. Don't freak out. Everything's okay. I never did that with River. So I'm like, immediately like this. Something's wrong. This isn't right. I feel it. I know it. And that is the one that unfortunately.

Came out in our toilet. And thank God for my husband who fished that baby out of that toilet. Because I sat there being like, what do you do? What do you do? You can't flush the. Flush my baby down the toilet. It's so heartbreaking. And then to. Yeah, have the next one. You find out you're pregnant. Oh, my God. Here's my rainbow baby. I got it this time. I can do this. To then have that same thing happen. And now the doctor's like, well, one is pretty, you know, normal. Unfortunately, two definitely hitting some Murky Waters. I'm 26. Like, why? I have a healthy baby at home. Easy delivery, you know, Then the third, and it's like, you really. You know, we've now been seeing a fertility specialist. We've now, you know, when I find out I have all these blood gene mutations that are literally killing off my babies. And like now I have to go through all these extra precautionary things to prevent miscarriages and it's like the fear of, oh my God, this is my fault, this is my fault. What have I done to only come to find out, like, oh, it is something within me, you know, it like validates all of the fears. How did you and Alec, like, work through that, that mental battle?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I mean, obviously mine was so extreme of blaming myself that I didn't want to carry another embryo that way because I thought that it was my fault that something about the science just didn't work with my body. And again, like, maybe I'm different, maybe I'm broken somehow, you know? And I know that's irrational. I know that sometimes bad things just happen. But at the time you, you, I'm sure you can relate. Like, you can't imagine how many tears your body can make. And you wake up, you sleep and you wake up, you doze off, you wake up and you remember it's real. And I remember that first night when I had to go home.

Like I'm sleeping with my dead baby inside of me. And they didn't know right away I could have the appointment to have her taken out. And I was fortunate that it was pretty soon. But it's a, it's, you know, you're like, my belly is a tomb. It was something to create life and now it's a tomb. But I think, you know, if I am your older sister, if I pull away the human experience that I share with you, that I know how you feel, it's not your fault. And there's solutions, as you're telling me, you know, because you are the one. Yes. Maybe your body has to have certain support, but thank God we live in time when you can get that support. Yeah. And also your body is what creates it. This is not existing outside of your body. So you're creating life and you just have to make sure that it's supposed to. Just like we would support so many things in other parts of our life. So I think that, you know, it's not easy being a woman, is it?

[Nick]

No.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

No, it's not. And thank God you have somebody who's so supportive too.

[Natalie]

Were you at that, that five month appointment by yourself?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I was, I was. And you know, fortunately the tech and I were very, very close, which all those babies before we were very close, but I remember I just couldn't because I. It was like I knew. I knew and nobody was listening to me and I knew. Not that they could have done anything, by the way. Yeah, yeah. But like, I knew and I wouldn't. And she's like, no, you need to stop moving. We need to try to figure out what was going on. What's going on. They never could figure out what happened, but it was just like, yeah.

[Natalie]

So what did you challenge in yourself differently carrying your youngest?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Well, then I carried another one after that, but. So I never tried IVF again. Okay. So I got pregnant with our five year old again a month and a half afterwards. And I had been. One of the things that I love in terms of being in the public eye is I like to push boundaries a little bit because I think that some rules are really stupid. And so I figured, like, all right, if you guys are going to talk anyway, let me like push at it a little bit. And part of that was, I'm gonna go on and I'm gonna talk about my miscarriage while I'm having it, because I don't like that I have to pretend that I'm not okay. I also decided with the baby that I. That I lost at five months, I had to. I decided to tell the world about her before the three month marker. Because I said, you know, why. Why is this rule here? I mean, at that point it would have been beyond the three month anyway. But then a little bit I. Then I closed off afterwards. So I didn't. And then it was Covid. So he was born September 2020. But he. I didn't say anything until I was like, way, way down the road, which was very different from the like spunky Laria before be like, I'll tell you everything. So you. Because before I felt like people, they would. There was like, oh, there's rumors that she's pregnant again. And it felt like that was getting taken. Information taken from me. So my whole thing was like, you know, I'm going to give it to you first, so it's mine to tell.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

So I did like, back off a little bit. It became a little cowardly after that to protect my heart from it. And then also carrying a baby during COVID completely different animal. That was. Oh, my God. But yeah, so it was. I feel like I didn't. I don't know if I answered your question to my ADHD brain.

[Natalie]

Just how did you find the strength in that next pregnancy?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I was scared. I was terrified. I was terrified of everything. I was terrified. And I was terrified on so many levels. Not just because of what happened, but also because of COVID and the fear of going to appointments and the fear of delivering. And this is pre vaccine as well. So there are very different regulations then. Then, yeah, it was like you have.

[Natalie]

Like, you couldn't have anyone else in the room with you at that point.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

By September, your spouse could be there. Although I don't love when Alec is in the room with me while I'm laboring, when he can be there, when he's pushing, but he really bothers when I'm laboring. It's like, I need to get the epidural first. He just. I mean, first of all, I mean, I'm. I'm. When you're in labor, like, most things bother you. So in fairness to him, he could just be breathing. And I'm like, it's too loud.

[Nick]

Have you guys always wanted to have a large family? I'm one of 11. I don't know if you knew that.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

What number are you?

[Nick]

I'm. I'm the second oldest.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

The second oldest?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

No, I didn't know if I wanted to have.

[Nick]

You don't hear about, you know, so you don't hear about it a lot.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

And I know, right?

[Nick]

Watching your family grow, it's always been fascinating because you just don't see it.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

That much when people say. When people ask me and they don't know. You have kids? How many? I say seven. Yeah, I have seven. Second. No, no, seven. This many.

[Nick]

It's like, are you Catholic? Are you Mormon?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

How many marriages?

[Nick]

The twins?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I'm like, it's not a religious thing. I just liked having them. I mean, they're just. It's so fun because, you know, they're. They all come out different and you get to really enjoy watching life unfold, you know? And I think, you know, I had my first girl and I was like, all right, that's what Alec and my girl is going to be like. And then I had a boy, and I was like, all right, that's our boy. Then I had another boy, totally different. Another boy, totally different. Another one, totally different. You start to realize, yes, I'm like, I can make people and they come out with their own personality. Exactly. Make people and they come out with their own personality. And it's just so cool. Cool that they. And. And that's what I love about being a mom. One of my favorite things is, like, just listening to them and appreciating their uniqueness. Even when they give Me, the middle finger. I'm like, that's clever.

[Nick]

Is that something as a couple? How old. How old was Alec when you met him?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I want to say he was like, 53.

[Nick]

Okay. And did you guys have conversations? I mean, he was already a dad at the point. At that point, where was it? Were you like, I want to have a lot of kids, or you just kind of.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

No, he was the one.

[Nick]

He was. Okay.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yes. We didn't say we wanted to have a lot of kids, but he was. For six weeks, he shook my hand and he. Enduring those six weeks, he's like, we're gonna get married. We're gonna have kids. I need to know that you wanna have kids. If we're gonna, like, start a relationship, I need to know that about you. And I'm like, I'm 27 years old. Like, I'm worried about, like, am I leaving my toothbrush at your apartment? Like, that's the maturity that I'm at at this point. But it was very refreshing at the same time, being with somebody who, like, knew what he wanted. He was very clear. He's like, I want you.

[Nick]

How'd you guys meet?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

We met at a restaurant that we never went back to ever again.

[Nick]

Did he approach you? Did you approach him?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

We were outside. It was. It was a place called Pure Food and Wine. They made a documentary about it.

And. Because they, like, the people there, like, things. No, they. I feel. What I've heard. I haven't seen it. What I've heard is they used us for clickbait at the beginning, but, like, I think, like, exaggerated our importance. Has never went there again. But, yeah, no, they, like, the. The people, like, stole all this stuff and, like, then got arrested at, like, Domino's Pizza. I don't. I don't know the exact things, but it was something kind of amazing for, like, a vegan, like, raw food place. And all of a sudden, like, Domino's Pizza. It's kind of amazing. You guys can watch the documentary and you can tell me about it, because I will not. But so I was there with two of my friends celebrating that the guy I opened the yoga studios with that I was working at had just found the second location. And I worked seven days a week, and I never. I didn't go out that much, and I was just working, working, working. And so my friends were like, we have to go out. It was really warm. It was February in New York, and it was really, really warm. And so we were sitting outside and having a glass of wine. I had been to the restaurant before then. And I had hated the food, so I was like, guys don't eat here, but they have a really good wine list. And so we're drinking and then there's two tables next. And like, the short story is, Alec eventually was sitting at the table and he kept on looking at me. And then when I left, he's like. He took my hand. He's like, who are you? I must know you. And I was like, really? That's a stupid line. And that was that.

[Natalie]

But it worked.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

It did.

[Natalie]

What is yalls age difference?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

26 years.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Or 18, so.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

You look so young.

[Nick]

Thank you. Yeah, I'll take it.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Wait, how old are you?

[Nick]

45.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Because we are young.

[Nick]

There you go. Yes.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yes. We are in our 40s. We are young.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Going back to Alec in the delivery room, Nick was like, I'll be by your head. Let doctors be doctors. Like, I will hold your hand. Is that similar to how Alec is? Or is he like, I let me pull this baby out. I feel like I've been here before.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

So there's multiple.

[Nick]

So there's multiple versions.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

So there's. There's three stages that I think are very important for Alec. And I like to give him credit because I know people like to pick him apart. And you guys are going to write all these things online of, oh, my God. Alec Baldwin did this. Okay. There's the pre epidural, because I did epidurals with all mine. There's the pre epidural labor. I hate him during that part. I hate him then.

[Nick]

But what's he doing?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

He's like, asking too many questions. He gets to the doctors.

[Nick]

What, to the doctor?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

No, to me.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Are you comfortable?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Are you gonna have this baby today or not?

[Nick]

He's impatient.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Well, he has ocd. Has clinical ocd. So he likes to, like, schedule things.

[Nick]

So when can I pencil you in for a baby?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Actually, Actually literally. Actually literally just like, you know, and I like, get into, like, my zone and I breathe. And even though I do an epidural, I do labor for a while without one. And so anyway, so I don't like him during that point. The second phase is the epidural. Much better. But I do epidural lights, which like the walking epidural. And so you can still feel that. So when those contractions get a little intense, I don't like him.

[Natalie]

Comes in waves.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yes, comes in waves. Exactly. And I want him to do certain things, like, especially with my last one when I started, you know, I'm getting older I get, like, a little more nervous. I'm like, tell me what the heartbeat is. When I'm like, you know, during the thing. Tell me how long it is I'm gonna be breathing. And he'll like, I'll tell you the next one. I'm like, yeah, well, tell me right now. Get up and tell me right now. So that one. But during pushing, he's a champion, a champ. And I really think. And he cuts the cord and he takes the video exactly the right way. Because I do not want to see the baby coming out.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Me.

[Natalie]

No.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I want to see the moments that they put the baby in. And he's so good. Cause, you know, he works in television, and so he knows the angles. He knows the angles. Yes.

[Nick]

He can be. He can take a note. He can be directed.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah. Correct. Correct.

[Nick]

Very important stuff.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

So. And after all the times that I've hated him before, then he's very, like, there to be like, okay, I better get this part right. So he's actually really amazing during that part that I feel is probably the most important. And we have a sense of humor about the other two parts, obviously. But, yeah, so he's great when he has, like, a per. Like, he holds my leg. He gives me, like, oxygen mask if I'm using oxygen. Oxygen mask. He tells me I'm doing a great job. All of the things that need to be said and done. But the first one I said to him, I was like, you're only going to look here, not going to look here. Okay. Church and state. You only pay right here. And then I realized, especially, I mean, I'm almost five foot three. There's not a lot of space between church and state. And I was like, I guess this is just. We're getting this close. This is just. But I was like, but don't tell me what anything looks like afterwards. Okay? And you're going to forget about it, too.

[Natalie]

I think Nick went to go when they took river over to, you know, suck her nose out and do all that stuff. Nick went over there to her. And I remember when he was walking back, it was like a.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Don't do it, don't do it, don't do it, don't do it.

[Nick]

You obviously jokingly mentioned that your husband Alec gets a lot of attention and a lot of criticism. And you guys are a couple that I think get that a lot. And when you, you know, not to compare you guys to us at all, but we certainly know what it's like. I've been.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I love a comparison because it makes me feel not alone. Tell me how we're buddies, more exact, relate to you.

[Nick]

Right? I mean, like, you know, I, Again, not to compare myself to your husband, but, like, I've been on reality TV for a while. I've been considered a polarizing character. When we do this show, we obviously give our opinions a lot, and that gets, you know, picked apart and Chris criticized. And then when I meet my wife, who right off the bat is younger, is a beautiful woman, you know, it. She was an easy target. Listen, we have very lucky lives, and I have no complaints over it. But, like, yeah, sometimes I do feel like we can be an easy target, or I, I, and I guess I relate to people who I, the public eye, who I, I've never met personally, like yourself, prior to this moment, who I feel like is often misrepresented or is just like an, an easy target for people where they look at this couple or, you know, you look at your husband who's like, been in Hollywood for how many decades and has so many great moments and then has also been, you know, caught up in controversy and things like that. Do you feel right off the bat, do you feel like people don't really know the real Hilaria Baldwin and Alec Baldwin relationship, or do you even, like, not give a fuck?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Oh, no. I mean, I wish I could say I don't care, but I do.

[Nick]

Yeah, we all care.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I wish I care.

[Nick]

You get good at not caring, but.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

You, you get good at letting it not be debilitating.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

So I feel like, I think it's multiple. I think the overwhelming majority of people do know who I am, do know who Alec is, and are very positive. However, we listen to the negative. The negative, they're very quiet because they're like, we love you because they're living their normal lives focusing on their normal things. Exactly. And then the ones who are negative are obsessive. Unfortunately, there's a huge business, which it sounds like you two have been victim to, of tearing people apart. It makes a lot of money. And by the way, they wouldn't do it if it wasn't making them money. Like the tabloids and stuff like that, the people, the opinion piece, all that kind of stuff. They will not do it if it's not making them money. So I had to learn that it's just business. You kind of have to think, you know, for many years I just wanted to be like, I'm me, I'm a normal person. I'm. Well, maybe I'm not that normal, but, like, I'M like a nice person. I'm a kind person. I wish everybody well. And all I want to do is belong to. And I feel like I learned recently from actually my dance partner on Dancing with the Stars when I was just like, I just want to belong. Nobody lets me belong. And I always have to live by different rules. The same game, different rules. Not fair. And he's like, why?

[Natalie]

You're a star.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

You're going to stand out. He says, you're special. You're a spar. Sorry. Stop wanting to fit in with everybody else. Stand out. Go be different. Go do this. And I was like, oh, my God, you're so right. I'm gonna just go and be my own thing. And regardless of who you are, I feel like, yes, we have an element of wanting to belong and then we also, you know, it's okay to stand out. It's okay to be different and lean into your different now. It's. It's hurtful when they go after a relationship. You must have been very young when you guys met.

[Natalie]

I was 21.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

You were 21.

[Natalie]

The Internet likes to say I was like 10, sometimes 12.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Well, the Internet, you know, the Internet tells me I didn't give birth to any of my children. No, perfect. No, it's great. There's like a lot of tinfoil hat wearing people. People say a lot of things. I hold Al, what is the craziest.

[Nick]

Thing you've heard about?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

That's probably one of the craziest ones.

[Natalie]

That you didn't have, you didn't give birth to.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah, no, no, there's a really funny one.

[Nick]

Storks.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

No, no, no, no. It's a room full of surrogates that I have in another apartment that I keep there.

[Nick]

Just a factory.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Factory. I wear bellies that I bought on Amazon called. I think they're called moon bumps.

And then the women next door are just having to pump milk all the time. And then I have somebody go and fetch the milk from them. Right. No, it's amazing. It's really into. I'm like, that's really hard. So I feel like that one. That's pretty crazy.

[Nick]

Do you think this is a product of you being married to Alec Baldwin or do you feel like even before you met Alec, people always kind of treated you different or you always felt a little misunderstood or taken out of context? Or do you think it was more like, oh, I'm now married to Alec Baldwin and I get lumped in with the controversy that he is a part of?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah, I mean, I wrote in my book, my most recent book, I wrote in it that any woman who is gonna marry my husband was gonna have her own version of it. And part of that is because he has a bad relationship with the tabloid press. He has not played that game. And on one hand, my, like, rebellious side is like, yeah, do that. And on the other hand, I'm like, we have all suffered a lot because you wanted to tweet that you didn't like this person, or you got mad at this one or you yelled at this. Like, they remember. They have a list. List. Yeah, they have a list. You on the list. I'm the list. You on the list. Now we're on the list.

[Nick]

What they love is a. A link of the article they talk about two years ago to include that in the list. You're just like, oh, here's a new headline. Oh, but if you forgot about the.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Other headline, let's remind you here, right here.

I have it here in my files.

[Nick]

We didn't just talk today. We were talking.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah. All the time.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

But I think. I think ultimately, the more that you can create an awareness of that and try to educate people on that's. I mean, now there's so much misinformation out there, and so hopefully, people are getting more and more educated on the fact that misinformation exists. And, you know, I don't get people coming up to me on the street telling me bad things. I have people coming up to me, and they're like, I love you. You're. You're misunderstood. Let me give you a hug. You know, it's a very sweet, sweet, sweet things. And again, we also have to remember that that's, like, the majority. The. The negative people, they have, like, 17 million accounts, and they're all. They're writing from each one of them. I did, like, a little bit of research on some of, like, my main trolls, and I know who they are, and that, like, gave me a little bit of insight as well.

[Nick]

Made you kind of understood.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, like, kind of. It's sad. I feel for them.

[Nick]

Is there a particular.

Controversy or rumor about you that bothered you the most?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I would say probably about my identity. That was the one that really. Actually, two. I would say my identity that bothered.

[Nick]

Me, like, centered around your accent.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah, my accent. Again, I think I want to be like, we need to learn more languages in this country, because this is like the ABCs about accents. And also that certain people can code switch also.

[Nick]

Who gives a.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

No, first of all, who cares?

[Natalie]

Yeah, I Am from the south and born and raised Auburn, Alabama. Lived in low country Georgia for 10 years of my life and moved to New York to try to be a model and had some agent be like, you gotta lose that redneck accent. Get in dialect classes. And I was like, okay. And now I speak like this. But the second I get around my family or we have maybe a Southern guest on, my accent comes back and people are like, Natalie is just faking and just do it, you know, and it's like, no, this is when people.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Say that about you too.

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Oh, my goodness. But that. Save it. So, like, Mark Ballas, who's on Dancing with the Stars, like, he and I were talking about it. He code switches between a British accent and American accent. Madonna code switches. And it doesn't even have to be something like you and I have of growing up with it. You know, it can be something where, like Madonna, she moved there once later. It's normal. And actually is a sign of connection and empathy to be able to communicate. It's the way our brain is. Yeah. And to. And for our brain to work, it's not a bad thing. But I mean, for me, that was. It was just like, so mean. And because I grew up kind of like being like, I don't know where I belong here or there. My family lives over here. I don't really know it really like, it. It picked at, you know, my Achilles heel. Now try me.

[Natalie]

I'll now say cucumber.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Come. Exactly. Come back. I forgot a word. I'm gonna forget all the words all the time. And I also have ADHD and dyslexia. I forget things all the time. All the time. Even trying to come here, and I keep on putting, like, the address in and I'm switching the numbers, and I have to look. I mean, it's just like. That's the thing is you go back and there was no rational. It wasn't the most irrational thing. There was just tons of misinformation. There was like, a fake bio that then again, with my investigator, like, they realized it was planted, like, right before. It was a whole thing. It was a whole scary thing that I didn't want to know where it came from. I just want to leave it over there because it's so sad. But at the same time, I'm like, all right, well, you know, you're going to be mad at me because I'm bilingual and raising my kids bilingual. My family lives over there. Okay, I can live with that. The other one that bothered me was really Bothered me, but not in the same, like, debilitating ways. When I'm talking, you're not talking. Do you remember that one?

[Nick]

The red carpet?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

The red carpet, yes. Because first it did optics.

[Nick]

Looked a little sassy.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

It was sassy. But they also cut out all the times he interrupted me before.

[Natalie]

Of course they did.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

And.

Either one of you guys have adhd?

[Natalie]

Nick is like. He's dyslexic. He has adhd.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

So ADHD rage is, like, an actual thing. And you interrupt when we're trying to think about something. It's very, very, very annoying. And Alec knows that. He also. He wasn't upset. Like, we were joking. First of all, if I'm gonna be really mad at him, I'm just gonna stop talking. Be scared when I don't speak anymore. Who in their right mind says, when I'm talking, you're not talking? And they're being serious? Not me. But what I was disappointed in was, where's my girls at? So all of a sudden, my husband multiple times. Then again, they cut around it, but is multiple times talking and talking and talking while I'm talking. And then you get to a point, you're like, please let me finish. But there was, you know, and what people write to me is, your husband is the star. You should stop speaking the moment he starts speaking. And I'm like, that's crazy. Yeah. Because that's what I get from it. And I think, there's no celebrities in my house. I'm not a celebrity. He's not a celebrity. Maybe the middle finger baby's the celebrity because that's iconic, but, like, there's no celebrities in the house. And so I was like. I felt like that could have been a viral moment for, like, woman empowerment, but it was framed improperly. But he thought it was. He thought it was the funniest thing in the world. He's like, nobody ever feels bad for me.

[Nick]

Well, I was gonna say it's kind of ironic. It's just like your husband Alec is, like you said, has a tricky relationship with the tabloids. He rarely is ever given the benefit of the doubt unless it comes to, like, you versus him. It's just like, then, you know.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Well, because they know that the way to hurt him is to talk to him is to hurt me.

[Nick]

And you can tell, like, I earlier.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

He gets upset.

[Nick]

You know, I always really admire any couple that, like, comes together through controversy, regardless of they're in the public eye or not. I certainly really admire the husbands out there who you can tell they have A lot of love for their wives and will, like, want to defend their honor and be chivalrous that way. And I've. You know, I've seen over the years a couple of clips of Alec coming to your defense in a way that it felt almost silly that he had to, but it was really just the love that he clearly had for you. But I really admired him for that.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah. No, I mean, we found out we were in. He was doing a movie in Sorrento. And then we went afterwards during the kids spring break to visit my family, my parents, my brother, everybody in Spain. And I come into the hotel room at night and he's like. He's laughing. He's like, the world. Because I'm completely disengaged from the phone, he's like, the world's mad at you right now. And I was like, what did I do? What did I do?

[Nick]

And he's like, the world is heavy.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah, I know. The world.

[Natalie]

Everyone.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Everyone in the whole wide world. And he's like, because you interrupted me. I was like, what? And so. And we couldn't even remember when it happens because we're just talking all the time. So we started, like, thinking it was funny and it was kind of funny. I just again, think that it would have. It would have been a really good feminist moment. Guys, let me down on that one. So we could have a redo.

[Natalie]

Yeah, that's tale as old as time is like, clip out everything that would give context and only release a small bit.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Small bit.

[Natalie]

That's gonna piss everybody off.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah, yeah. Of being like, oh, my God, now we see it. She is controlling. She's there. She is the. I wanna be like, guys, can you pick a couple that is like, the husband. Easier control. Exactly. Easier to control. Like, Alec Balters is not an easy to control person. Like, it was truly, truly. I mean, like, come on, think about it, guys. And I was like, oh, so you're telling me I'm powerful, So I guess it's a compliment. Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Natalie]

Like, I'll figure out.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Exactly. Because if I could control him all of these years, maybe things would, you know, certain things would have been a little bit different. But no. Okay.

[Natalie]

You published a memoir this year and you talked about how you and Alec almost got a divorce after your second.

[Nick]

You're in my mind.

[Natalie]

Really?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Thank God.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God. Can you talk a little bit about that? And what kind of was the issue?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I think baby number two.

Is.

Oftentimes does that to couples. The more that I talk with other couples, not that it's gonna happen with you guys, but it can. It is. Exactly. It's just all of a sudden. So when you have one baby. Again, my experience, and then me talking with, like, my girlfriends about it. When you have one baby, your entire world is in, like, one place, and then you have another baby, and there's almost like this guilt of, like, you're cheating on that baby with that baby, and you love both of them, and your heart is now in two places. And once I got to three babies, I kind of embraced chaos. I was like, okay, group project. We're gonna do everything together from now on. But with the two, it was really hard. You know, I have a great group of people, both friends and people work with me that help me out. We had much less of a village at that point. He was traveling a ton, and I think I also. We are different generations. He's a boomer. I'm a millennial, and I was trying to make him a millennial, and that was one of the biggest mistakes I've ever made. And once I allowed him to be his culture, to be his boomerness, and I related to him on that point and allowed me to be a millennial. Because age isn't just a number. I don't think it is. I don't know how you guys feel, but I think you are in different places. You do have different experiences, just like you're from different places. Just like you're from 11 children and you're from seven. Seven. So, like, okay, so that wasn't a good example.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

But you know what I mean. There's differences in relationships, and I think that I had to for myself. A big learning thing for myself was, don't try to make him do everything with me. I would, like, come with me to every doctor's appointment, do this. And again, I hated it. Like, I joke about certain parts in the labor. Like, I don't want you to come with me at the beginning. I'll tell you when I have my epidural, because it bothers me. And I also am very happy to have it. That's not like, oh, that's so sad. No, I like it that way. And I'm confident and grounded on my own doing certain things. So I think a lot of it was me growing up not trying to change him. And. And then once we kind of got. I mean, he had to change his some things too. But I think it was just, you know, our. Everything went so fast. We met each other, we moved in right away. We got married right away. We had one baby right away. I mean, it was just a lot. And so I think it was just.

[Nick]

You know, were you planning or hoping or had any thoughts of being in the public eye before you met Alec?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I was a yoga teacher. My parents are hippies. I didn't. I grew up with no tv.

[Nick]

Okay, wow.

[Natalie]

So did he give you a, like, warning of, like, hey, if you.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Nope. Oh, nope. So my parents. Eventually we got a monitor that had a vcr, but, like, you'd press the button and it would just be, like, static. And then we had, like, a couple of videos, like Star Wars. I'm huge for Star wars fan. Indiana Jones. And then, like, Jane Fonda and Tammy Lee Webb, Buns of Steel workout videos. Love them. So I had A Working Girl, which is the movie that I'd seen with Alek, and when I met him, so I had access to that, but, like, not. I'd never seen Saved by the Bell or, like, any of these things that were very important of our generation. And I just, like, couldn't relate to people. And I also. I think that my ADHD ness doesn't allow me to, like, sit still and unless I'm talking and, like, just, like, consume something, I get, like, very fidgety. So, yeah, I wasn't really in that world. I loved yoga. I moved around the whole day. I'm walking and moving and stretching and doing abs in every single class with my students. And my first brush with any of it was I was in my little apartment and I got a call from an unknown number. And I thought one of my best friends was studying in South Africa at the time. I thought it was her. And I pick up the phone and they said, hilaria. And I was like, hello? And they're like, is this hilarious? I said, yes. And I'm calling from Page Six. I'm calling from Page Six. I know that you're dating Alec Baldwin, and I have some questions for you. And I was like, I never read Page Six in my life. But I was like, okay, I think that this is not.

[Natalie]

You're like, what about page one, two, three?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Exactly. I don't know what's going on here. And I just said something like, I don't have. I'm not gonna answer any of your questions. And then they got like, mad and hung up the phone. And then they wrote that. I was, like, mean about it. And, like, I literally wasn't. I was, like, stunned, but I was like, I'm not gonna answer any of your questions. And I called Alec and I Told him. He was like, okay, you dealt with that really well. But it wasn't. First of all, he's a horrible teacher to be a famous person. Like, he's, like, horrible at it because he doesn't have. He didn't have, like, good paparazzi problems. Now I'm friends with a couple of paparazzi. I am. And you know what? My, like, previous self would have been like, oh, my God, please don't call me, like, a fame horn stall, that kind of stuff. No, you know what? They are people. I am a person, and I don't feel like being scared of people. I will go and I will talk to Page Six on the red carpet. I will go and talk to all these places that before, like, Alec might not, but I will go and I'll do it because I don't like to be afraid of people. And I also want to treat all people equally.

[Natalie]

So even if you, like, have been burned before, that doesn't stop you from being like, you know, no. Like, y' all wrote a nasty article about me. I'm not giving you my time. I'm not giving you another opportunity. You're like, you know what?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

At this point in my life, no. There's certain people that maybe, you know, I have certain people. I'm just like. I will just, like, walk by. But I do think that publications are neither all good or all bad, and there's good people in each place, and it poisons me more than it poisons them to have that kind of negativity.

[Nick]

It's a healthy outlook. I mean, because, yeah, objectively, you know, different writers, most of the people who write these articles aren't even employed by these publications. Like, you have a very objective, very healthy, mature outlook on that situation.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I mean, I'm trying. This is, like, a practice that I'm doing. I'm like, I'm trying to teach myself. And literally, I mean, I've been talking about it a little bit more openly. I posted something this morning about it, and people are like, oh. Cause it's your friend and you call him to take pictures. I'm like, I haven't called anyone to take pictures of me. If he's gonna be there, I will be nice and I'll go take a picture for him. I will go say hello. I'm gonna go and give him a hug. Right? I have paparazzi friends that moved back to Dr. And many years, we've shared Christmas gifts, okay? So, like, I can find. I can find the good, the human quality in people, and I I think that that's very important and very me.

[Natalie]

How old is your oldest daughter?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

12.

[Natalie]

She's 12. What, like, conversations have you or Alec had with her about, like, this lifestyle? Like, when she goes out to paparazzi?

[Nick]

Yeah. Does she understand who her parents are?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I mean, they. I mean, maybe not that the smallest ones, but, you know, most of them, the four oldest definitely do. And then you also have to know that we've gone through, like, really bad, bad times where I'm having conversations with the kids that you never. You know, at the beginning, it was just like, there's paparazzi out, and you think that that's bad enough. And then you have the paparazzi that are swarming them as they're going into the car and, like, bumping into you and screaming things at the kids. You know, me bringing him off to trial and them having to say goodbye to their dad and not knowing if they're gonna see him for a year and a half. You know what I mean? So, like, there's things where my kids have had to experience really dark stuff, and the only way that I have known to go through it and hopefully haven't made mistakes is to be as open as possible, because kids are very smart, and they're gonna fill in the blanks and they're gonna create their own story. And it's better that they know the truth than some sort of fantasy thing that's gonna maybe be worse and is gonna continue in their head and it's gonna grow into their imagined reality also.

[Natalie]

I'm sure, like, kids at school, you know, like, the whole social media of it all, like them knowing the truth from their parents.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah, it was funny. I hope I don't say this wrong. There was when, like, after the whole identity thing, and Carmen was much younger, and she says, mommy so? And so what's his name at school said that a lot of people don't like you. And I said, oh, really? And before, he's like, overheard the mother, blah, blah, blah, gossiping, blah, blah, blah. Guys, don't do it. Whether people are famous or not, the kids are always listening and they share at school. And she says it's because you say that you're from Boston, but you're actually from Spain. It was, like, so funny because I gave it the other way. I was like, no, no, the story goes the opposite way. Okay? The opposite way.

[Natalie]

Well, your friend at school.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Your friend at school is the Amazon. And I was like, but it's not even that way. And she's like, but don't worry, I cleared it up for you. I said that I saw because I brought her and Alec to Boston. Just they were like, I had work up there. And I was like, oh, this is where I lived. And da da da da, many, many years. She's like, I told you. I told her that I've seen where you lived in Boston. And I also have seen where my llos, my parents, her grandparents, calls them Los Yayos, live in Spain and that we speak in both English and Spanish. And so I cleared it up for you, okay? And I was like, can you just be my PR person? It's like, from now on. Because if you're getting it and you know your little friend is getting it, then we're good. Like, oh my God.

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[Nick]

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[Natalie]

Now that we have River, I'm really trying to create memories and traditions that she will carry on throughout her life and something that I'm really loving doing. We did it last year and obviously we're going to do it again this year, but it's going to Starbucks. Getting a holiday drink and then driving through the neighborhoods and like looking at all the Christmas lights on all the houses and seeing all the houses is decorated and like the blowups in everyone's front yard and like sipping on our warm, hot.

[Nick]

I look forward to that holiday drink also. Back in my sales days when I worked from home, I'd always go to a Starbucks and work because I wanted to get out of the house. And definitely during the holiday season, I get my peppermint mocha and you just kind of see people coming in like different you. You kind of feel the holiday energy with people coming in during Christmas time. It was always just really enjoyable. I really had to get out of the house when I was stuck at home working, working.

[Natalie]

Well, the peppermint mocha is a Starbucks signature espresso. Combined with steam milk mocha sauce and peppermint flavored syrup is topped with whipped cream and dark chocolate curls. What more could you ask for?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Delicious.

[Nick]

It's honestly how I learned to drink coffee. This was my first Starbucks peppermint mocha.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah, we used to when I worked.

[Natalie]

There, we would put ristretto shots in it and we would like mod it a bit.

[Nick]

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[Natalie]

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[Nick]

Well, don't forget, together is the best place to be. Connect over your holiday favorites at Starbucks. Well, with the holidays coming up, I am curious, what does your holiday plans look like? Obviously, Alec comes from a very famous family. He's got some very famous brothers. Do you get to hang out with the extended families? Do you guys keep it close to home?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Christmases? Usually we keep it pretty close to home.

This is this year. I mean, I love putting on Christmas. I love it. I like to make it warm and fuzzy. Yes, yes, yes. I. Because of, you know, how much travel I've had here. I'm a little behind, so I'm gonna start decorating and getting everything prepared. I'm also at that point where it's like, I remember my first one. It was like, oh, my God. No amount of toys is magical enough. And it's so cute. And the dresses and the this and the that. I'm at the point now where it's like, we have too much stuff in the house. Yeah. Like last year, my two youngest are obsessed with Barbies now. I found the Barbies that were my eldest in a bin in the basement, and I just gave them the bin of Barbies, like, haircut drawn on the face, and they were like, this is beautiful. I was like, there you go. Enjoy it. I was like, I want to have no more stuff in my house. So, I mean, I think we're kind of struggling with that as well in terms of just like the accumulation of things.

[Nick]

Do the Baldwin brothers get together often these days? Do you get to spend a lot of time with them?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

We've been seeing Steven a lot. We've been seeing Steven a lot.

[Nick]

I enjoyed him on. I was on Special Forces this season before he did Special Forces.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Wait a second. Did you enjoy doing that?

[Nick]

It was the greatest experience of all.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Talk to me a little bit about it.

[Nick]

It's not reality tv.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Okay.

[Nick]

It's real. It is a real simulation of four special forces officers who put a group of people like you and I into a real life military situation. It was.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

It's like, what do you do? I have to watch it.

[Nick]

All these challenges. Well, first, I mean, you. I mean, you suffer is what you do. They torture you, like, physically.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I love all physically difficult things.

[Nick]

I mean, yeah, you're sleeping on cots, you're eating trash, food. You're going 18 hours a day. They're they're. They're emotionally, physically and mentally trying to break you down to get you to quit. It's just about not quitting.

[Natalie]

Would you do it if they called?

[Nick]

You've definitely been asked?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

You've definitely been asked?

[Nick]

Definitely been asked.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Next question.

[Nick]

You should do it. I convinced Denise Richards to do it.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Somebody told me I'd have to cut my nails.

[Natalie]

Well. Well, they might break.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah. Because they're my nails. I have gel on top of them, but they're my nails.

[Nick]

I think it would be taking your vitamins.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I am taking my vitamins.

[Nick]

I really enjoyed Stephen on there.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

He's funny. No. Oh, my God. He's so funny.

[Nick]

So funny.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

He's so funny.

[Nick]

I was, I was so sad to see him go, but he was really funny. Well, if you, if I, I thought it was very rewarding. I had just found out now he was pregnant, so I really used that as motivation to win.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

You won.

[Natalie]

I did. You won. Yeah.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

So it's just about not quitting.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Which. I don't feel like you're a quitter.

[Nick]

You don't seem like a critter. I, I mean, I said this to Nadise Richards and I. And I meant it when I said it. I go Denise, because she was like, she really wanted to do well and she wanted to win. And I said, denise, Denise, I'm telling you now, you can win this thing.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Did she win?

[Nick]

She did not. She did have. She had an injury.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It is physically demanding and some. This is the exception to this thing. I said, denise, I said, you can win because it really is about not quitting. You don't have. It doesn't matter how well you do. You can fail all the challenges. You just have to not quit. But It's a brutal eight to 10 days, depending on the year or the environment you're in.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

When's your birthday?

[Nick]

September 20th.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

And you?

[Natalie]

August 31st.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I'm a Capricorn. January 6th.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

We're like goats.

[Nick]

All right.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

We don't quit.

[Nick]

I, I. So maybe you can win as long as you don't get hurt.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Imagine the Christmas conversation after you win that you could have with Stephen.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I know you'd be like, I'm like, I literally did win.

[Nick]

And you're like, I won literally winner.

[Natalie]

Than you on Special Forces.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Exactly. I ate more than you did.

[Nick]

You can't bring up Special Forces without me mentioning I won. It was like, listen, I'm proud of it. I really, like, of all the. I actually, there's not many things I've done on TV that I'm proud of New Zealand. And it was winter new, so we went in the summer. But yeah, it was. It was. It was. It was a.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Is that where they always film?

[Nick]

No, it's. You know, they were in Morocco this past season, and depending.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Interesting.

[Nick]

But you will be. No matter how far you go, you will be very proud of yourself because it's that challenging, and it really is a. I mean, clearly, you're a resilient person. You've been through a lot. You being a mom of as many kids as you have. Just, like, you dealing with what you have to deal with. You know the type, you know.

You would do. Well, I'd like. I would like to see you say yes. Hmm.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Let's see. How's it? Interesting. And you're so funny. Gleb. On this. On the season, we're doing this thing where an entangle where he kind of, like, throws me and, like, my, like, legs glide in the ground. And it was my. I feel like you can still see the lines of the tape. You can. Oh, my God. I'm gonna be tattooed forever. The lines of the tape. And that was so long ago. So they had to, like, tape up my elbows. Cause it was like. Like hurting my elbows. And I was like, maybe we do something else. Maybe we can, like. He's like, oh, I get it. You're a quitter. And we're, like, super, like, buddies. We're, like, super good friends. And I was like, no, I'm not. Okay, yes. I might not have elbows after this, but I will continue to do it. And then carry on. Took a point out for it, but, okay, we did it.

[Nick]

Speaking of Dancing with the Stars, you made some headlines on your exit when you said you felt like you were bullied off the show. And then a former Dancing with the Stars participant, Bobby Bones, disagreed with your take, but I was wondering if you had.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Did he.

[Nick]

He said you weren't bullied. You were voted off.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I mean, okay, well, tomato, tomato. Okay, well, Bobby. Didn't Bobby Bones just, like, have a whole thing where he gave back his trophy?

[Nick]

I think something like that.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

He did, yeah.

[Nick]

Why did he give it back?

[Natalie]

We don't know.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Because he said he was bullied.

Okay. I don't really know who. Are we doing a pulse check?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Did he give back his.

[Nick]

Did Bobby Bones give back his Mirabel? And why.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I heard that because of Tom Bergeron. And I don't know. This is just what I read and.

[Nick]

Talk, but why did you feel bullied?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Okay, so this Is what it is. And they do it. They do it to every single person, and it is bullying.

[Natalie]

He did send it back.

[Nick]

That's the pettiest shit I've ever heard in my life.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Okay, so can we. Can we just. Okay, can we just talk about.

[Nick]

Hi, Mom. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Oh, he regrets sending it back, by the way.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Guys, send it back to Bobby Bob. Can you please return to send yourself?

[Nick]

But why did he. Wait, why did he send it back?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Because he said he was bullied.

[Nick]

But who did he send it to?

Like, who.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Dancing with the Star?

[Nick]

Who does that go to? They're like, there's a mirror ball in the lobby.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Okay, so, first of all, I don't actually know because I'm me. I don't really know that much about Bobby Bones, and I only wish you light and love, and I can't wait to see you in. In one day, and I'll give you a big hug. So we're gonna start with that. So what they do. So the way that the voting system works is you can vote for any person 10 times. So what they'll do is they make these campaigns that they'll vote for every single person except the couple that they want to go home.

[Nick]

Who's they?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Like online people. They do campaigns.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Which is, like, literally a bullet campaign. The fan. Well, the anti fans, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So. But apparently, this is like a Dancing with the Stars thing. So, you know, was I voted off? Yeah, sure. Was it. Was it a nice way of voting off? But what they're trying to do is they're trying to suppress your votes. And by the way, it's not just me. They did it to Whitney.

[Nick]

It didn't feel organic.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Basically, for me, what I would like to see is vote for the couple that you like. Mm. Don't try to raise up everybody else's votes.

[Natalie]

It's not like a, hey, everyone, who are we voting for tonight? It's like a. You just make your own decisions in.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

The comfort of vote. They vote for everybody 10 times from all these devices to be able to suppress. So no matter, like, you know, whatever my fan base is, it will make it smaller because everybody's is more raised up, if that makes any sense. Now, again, I had the best time there. You know, I love every single. That's the funny thing is that the show is the most positive kind everybody there. You just fall in love with everybody. So even, like, that's the thing when you get eliminated, it's not like you're like, oh, I wish that I was here. And you weren't. Like, I was happy for all of my, you know, my castmates on there as well. Which is. Which is a nice thing to think. But, like, so if. If Bobby. If Bobby said that. You know what, Bobby? I challenge you to a cha cha, cha. Okay, then who is Bobby Bones?

[Nick]

He is a disc jockey.

[Natalie]

He's a radio.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

So he could play music through his radio station at the same time. And we'll dance. It's a date, Bobby.

[Natalie]

There you go.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

But, yeah, no, I mean, I don't like riffs with people. So anyway, Bobby, I felt bullied, and I feel like that's a valid feeling, because when people are campaigning to have your votes suppressed, it feels bad. So maybe my feelings are valid.

[Natalie]

There you go.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

And you know what? Yours are, too. There you go.

[Natalie]

When you got that call, was it an immediate yes, or was it like a. We need to have a conversation about this. Sit kids down. Sit my husband down. Like, what am I gonna do this?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I got the call, like, at, like, 11pm And I wasn't even, like. It was. I didn't try to be on the show. It was just, like, people were writing in, asking me to be on the show because I just gotten TikTok, and I was trying. I was, like, trying to dance. You know, Dina Katz, who's like, I love her. I love her. I love her so much. I think that she's just a fantastic person. And she, like, facetimes me at 11pm pretended I was awake. I wasn't. You know, now you know. I was like, wipe. Yeah. No, she's like, what are you. Oh, my God. Are you sleeping? I'm like, no, I am very awake right now. And then the next morning, I, like, drove. I was in the Hamptons. I drove into the city, and, like, I was like, I don't know what to do. I get in the car, and I, like, go to get my nails done, because that was, like, the only thing I could think to do. And I was like, I think I'm gonna say y. This whole thing. And anyway, anyway, a couple days later, I was on a plane. Yeah, it was. I was so. It was so much fun. I. I love it. And, yes, the elimination is hard for anyone, so that's going to create drama. But, like, it's just such a great environment.

[Natalie]

So y' all live year round in New York, east coast area?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yes, but I want to live here.

[Natalie]

You do?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I do, because I like the warm weather.

[Natalie]

Did y' all all move here for Dancing with the Stars? And what was that? Like, transition.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Like, chaotic. Was it chaotic? Because again, it, like, happened like this. So I, you know, it was. We found a place to live when we landed. We found the schooling, like, two days after we landed. It was like. And it was right when school started? No, it was pure chaos. Like, I was. I kept on being like, I don't know what I'm doing right now.

[Nick]

So they had to, like, switch schools and stuff.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

We did a homeschool, so my kids go to a bilingual school to go to a language immersion. Because I went all the way with that.

[Nick]

They're gonna. They're gonna talk some shit.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I now speak SP too.

So they. We. The thing that we found that was most compatible with our school was which the kids. I mean, they were so lovely, the homeschooling thing. But, like, they, you know, they did miss being around their friends and stuff like that, so they were excited to go.

[Natalie]

Sorry, mom, you got eliminated, but thank.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

God you got eliminated.

[Nick]

When it comes to your entertainment career, how involved is Alec? Is he. You know, you could see a world where Alec, being the big celebrity that he is, could feel nervous about, you know, you getting into stuff and then all of a sudden say the wrong thing or do the wrong thing and it creates a mess for him. Is he prickly about that stuff or is he incredibly supportive about your. Your entertainment?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Okay, now I want you to re. Ask that question. Considering who my husband is, that a trick.

[Nick]

Trick thing?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Isn't he the one that says things?

[Nick]

Oh, yes.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yes, he's the one. I'm always like, what'd you say on the interview? What'd you say?

[Nick]

Yeah, but I do feel like we.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Said earlier, like, excuse me.

[Nick]

He gets shit. Unless, you know, it's like, like, the more I get to know you and it's. And I really appreciate you coming here and it's been great to get to know you, but, like. Yeah, it's just I've only known you through what I've seen through the press and the tabloids and the media and how. How entertainment choose, how. How that population chooses to cover you.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah, it kind of sucks, doesn't it?

[Nick]

Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, we're used to it. And that's what I love doing. That's why I love doing this. Because. Yeah, it's just like the Internet will decide, hide who someone is, and then just craft a narrative, and then people will just latch on and people will project all their own personal shit onto this person. But, like, yeah, as divisive as Alec has been over the years, people are mean to him. Except when it comes to you, they seem like they're even meaner to you than they are.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Well, I think, again, he made, like, not very close friends in very high places with some tablets. Tabloid culture. And part of that, again, was noble of. He's like, we'll refuse to. You know, he'll speak out against systems. And that's one of the things that I love about him. But it's definitely made us all targets. That's why I'm at a point in my life. I'm in my 40s now, and I'm at a point in my life, I'm like, I'm gonna go and I'm gonna have my own relationships with people. It doesn't mean that they're not gonna continue and they create their narrative and stuff like that. But, like, I also don't dwell in places that don't make sense anymore. I'm like, okay, you know what? That doesn't. I can't. I can't make sense out of something that doesn't make sense right now. You know, people's feelings are valid and. Yeah. And I feel like I'm just trying to. I am married to Alec, and I am my own person.

[Nick]

Do you guys get to hang out with the Bieber family ever?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

We don't see each other too often, but that little boy's very cute, isn't he?

[Natalie]

Never seen his face, but he looks cute from the back.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Very cute, very cute.

[Nick]

Speaking of. We've talked about this a little bit. We had our first child. We loved taking pictures of her. We showed her all. She's just a little potato at first and still a very beautiful one. And then people started noticing her in public, and again, there's no right or wrong to do anything. But we stopped showing pictures of river, and we'll show the back of her head or maybe a side profile. How do you guys go about doing stuff like that with your kids? Seeing the public eye?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I used to do that. I don't think there's a right answer, but I found that the more I did that, the more paparazzi there were. And again, the culture, even though 12 years ago is not a long time, it was very different back then. So I sold the first photos of the first few kids.

[Natalie]

You were like, I'm just gonna beat you fuckers to it.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Correct. And I donated all the money to charity because it felt like a gross thing anyway. So I was going to do it, and then I donated. I donated that money and that felt.

[Natalie]

How much money did you make off this.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

The first. Our first child was $95,000. $95,000.

[Nick]

Mm.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

And I donated all of that, and that felt like. It felt me. It felt meaningful. And I donated it to an organization in. In Mallorca, where my family lives, for children who have been sexually abused. So I wanted to say, okay, here's a system. Somebody's gonna make money off of this. Whether it's somebody who's chasing me down the street or this system, and I can. There's money to be had, and I'm gonna put that in a good place. Place. So that was what I did with my first few. It became less of a thing as I had more children, and for everybody, the business is changing, and I just started Instagramming them. And it went from tons of people trying to get this photo to. I put it on there. Not gonna get chased around as much. And what I learned from somebody who's much more famous than me is the more that you put the photo up, the lower the bounty is and the less harassment you. So I think it just kind of depends on, you know, weighing. Weighing how much, like, mental distress it was causing us tremendous mental distress. And Alec, who has a lot of trauma, it would really bother him and get us into not fun situations. So I was just like, this is better. And so that's why I do what I do.

[Nick]

If you could summarize in one or two sentences, why you and Alec, over the years, with all the children that you've had, through the controversy and the challenges you guys face, been able to make it work. What is your and Alex secret sauce?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

You have to want to, you know, you have to want to. We can do what we want to do, you know, and that's like, if you'll say, ah, I don't know how to make myself work out. You have to want to. You have to show up. I don't know how I can make myself eat in a better way. Well, you have to want to. You have to do it. You know, it's really. There's tons of support and tricks and stuff like that. How are you gonna do your homework? Well, you have to want to. You have to do it. You know, and that's coming from somebody with, you know, learning differences, like, I do. Like, you have to. You have to show up and you have to do it. And again, doesn't mean you don't get support and therapy and all this different kind of stuff. And the same thing with. With a relationship. You have to want to make it work out. The moment you don't want to make it work out anymore. You can't convince the other person that they. That they should be in it. So I think that that's the secret sauce is commitment, desire.

[Natalie]

And you wake up every morning and choose each other. You choose to be together. You want to be together.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah. Do I wake up every single morning and.

Today maybe not. Maybe tomorrow? No. I think he's. You know, we've been through a lot together. You know, we've been through a lot together. And there's. You get to a point where it's like, who else is going to understand all of love that?

[Natalie]

It's also like, you've been through this. Why can't you get through that? You know, it's like you see how strong your relationship really is, and then it's like, is this really going to be the thing that breaks us?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Like.

[Natalie]

No.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah. Well, it depends on how much he interrupts me.

[Nick]

How do you guys keep the romance going?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

He's very romantic and less romantic. Yeah, he's very romantic. He's, like, good with cards and, like, all that kind of stuff.

[Nick]

And.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

And I'm less. I'm very practical.

[Natalie]

Or what's like a normal amount of, like, a week? Are we on, like, every.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Are we talking about the thing that. To make the babies.

[Natalie]

To make the babies.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Well, we don't want to make the babies anymore, so we gotta be very careful with that. But you gotta keep that part of your life very, very funky, very spunky. You just gotta be careful because you blow on me and I get pregnant.

[Natalie]

He's like, when it's your birthday, he's like, I'm not. You blow out those candles.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Exactly, exactly. No wind in my direction at all. Stay over there.

I love it.

[Nick]

Your oldest is 12. What are. Have you got? You and Alex started talking about, like, how you guys are gonna handle, like, phones and social media.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

She has a phone. And I regret it. And I haven't given my other one. And they. That she's the one that the other ones will get. No phones. Yeah. You know, again, the trick is talking about it with them.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

But it is a problem. It's a big problem. And in some ways it's great because especially living in the city, she's pretty independent, and I. I can track her.

[Natalie]

I feel like living in New York, it is so different because it's like trains and, you know, like, Apple Pay, you know, it's like you just.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah. So easier for kids. Yeah, it is. It is. And at the same time, you know, Know, it's just a. You gotta. And. But by the way, it's not just phone, it's iPads, which my other kids have. So it's just. My whole thing is I think that your brain gets damaged through lots of time spent doing something that's not good for you and healed through lots of time doing something. So I try to think, okay, you can have it, but for a small period of time. Yeah.

[Natalie]

What do you and I, Alec, get each other for Christmas?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

It depends on what the. What the year is. I mean, like I've had, you know, times where I've gotten him some antique this or antique that. I feel like we're at a point now where it's like it really is about the kids.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

I don't know what we'll get each other this year. It can be something really small. Definitely a card. Cause when I don't get him a card, I get in a lot of trouble. Definitely a card. So I will, I will fill out a card for him.

[Natalie]

Do you fill it out or do you just write love?

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Mine are very hard. He writes a very, very, very long card and then he takes it back from me. And then he. By my bedside, I'm like, oh, there it is. I just get like a little shy. I'm like a little more shy. And he's very. He's an actor.

[Nick]

It's funny that you say, does he like a lot of old things? Antique stuff? My first time ever in New York, 16 years ago. I was 28 and it was my first time. I was with my then girlfriend walking Soho and Alec was walking the streets and I was. I mean, that was a big deal for me back then. And I just kind of nodded at him and I walk. I saw him like walk into like an art antique store and he was talking to some guy and I was definitely spying on him.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Anyways, he probably was buying a clock. We have many of those. Some old clock. You go into some of these rooms and you're like, I feel like it should be ticking in here. There's so many clocks around. Wait, how long ago was that?

[Nick]

You know, it's funny, I went to Dave Letterman and saw Justin Bieber. That Lincoln too. I was 20, 28, so that was 17 years ago for me before you.

There was no time before Natalie being. Well, if you guys ever want a double date when.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Oh my God, I would love that. You kidding me? We'd have the best time.

[Natalie]

Get our your 3 year old.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

But she'll teach you horrible things. No, she actually probably would think, she'd probably think that she, she was a baby and she would like, want to like, take care of her as a baby. That's like everything. And she's like, I'm so grown and you're not. And like you're literally a year older.

[Nick]

But. Okay.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Well, thanks for having me.

[Nick]

Yes. It's been so much fun. Thanks for coming.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Thank you. This is super fun.

[Nick]

Your books are out, available.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

My books are out and available. And what's this book that's out? Don't text your ex.

[Natalie]

This is a bestseller written by yours.

[Nick]

Truly a while ago. Told.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

That's fun. Yeah. Don't do that unless you're friends with your ex.

[Nick]

It's not really for you. You're in love, you got kids. It's a dating book.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Oh, it's a dating book. Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick]

Manual not included and glowing up are the names of your books. And available now wherever you get books.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Other audiobooks, there's for Manual not included. Yeah. And I did my own audiobook.

[Natalie]

How's that?

[Nick]

Hard.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Hard. Especially considering that the reading is reading is all the reading. But they were very.

[Nick]

There are some sentences. Took me five minutes.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Yeah, it was like really. But they were really good. And apparently a lot of people who are like us and go into this business are. Are little, as they say, neurospicy like we are. But yeah. And my. And the other one, Glowing up. Carmen wrote it when my 12 year old wrote it with me.

[Nick]

Beautiful. This has been so much fun. I really appreciate getting to know you and this is why I love doing what we do and. And learning about fascinating people like you. So really, I appreciate you taking the time.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Thanks for the time. This was so fun.

[Natalie]

It was so fun.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

On to. On to other things.

[Nick]

Bye, everyone. See you later.

[Hilaria Baldwin]

Bye, guys. See you.