E1047 - Vanderpump Rules w/ Natalie, RHOSLC w/ Variety's Kate Aurthur, RHOP and Jen Shah Prison Release

Summary

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The Viall Files — E1047 Summary

Episode Title: Vanderpump Rules w/ Natalie, RHOSLC w/ Variety's Kate Aurthur, RHOP and Jen Shah Prison Release
Date: December 11, 2025
Host: Nick Viall with Natalie Joy, the Household
Guests: Kate Aurthur (Variety), Natalie McGuire (Vanderpump Rules)

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Episode Overview

In this jam-packed Reality Recap, Nick Viall and co-host Natalie Joy dive into the latest in Bravo reality TV, with coverage on Vanderpump Rules' new cast, RHOSLC and RHOP headlines, and the big Jen Shah prison release news. Variety’s Kate Aurthur joins the crew to break down all things Bravo—from the changing face of reality TV stars to industry shakeups involving Warner Bros. and Netflix. Later, brand-new Vanderpump cast member Natalie McGuire dishes on what it’s like joining the iconic show.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Warmup & Pop Culture Banter (02:00–16:00)

• Nick and Natalie banter about holiday shopping procrastination and family traditions—lighthearted, with touches of relationship humor.
• Brief detour about religious and cultural holiday rituals; Nick playfully summarizes the nativity and Catholic traditions.

Memorable Quote:
“I'm a selfless partner. Well, in love.” —Nick (02:17)

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Hilaria Baldwin Recap & Public Perception (09:33–16:30)

• The hosts reflect on their Going Deeper episode with Hilaria Baldwin, trying to humanize celebrity figures often misrepresented in media.
• The team discusses public narratives, “mirroring” in relationships, and how Internet opinions shape perception.
• Relatable host anecdotes about dealing with online hate and the divide between public and private personas.

Notable Quote:
“As someone who grew up in the south...when I'm with other people from the south, it comes out, and people will be like, what the hell is that? So I relate.” —Natalie Joy (11:05)

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Bravo Hot Topics & Headlines (16:30–29:30)

• Recap of Summer House and speculation about the future of OG casts as Bravo injects new blood.
• Nick and crew break down the controversy of Kyle Cook sleeping at a fan’s house—what’s “too deep” for reality TV?
• Introducing new reality personalities and casting strategies, questioning Bravo’s “soft relaunch” models.

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In-Depth: Reality TV & Industry Shifts with Kate Aurthur (29:37–82:30)

BravoCon + Actors on Actors (29:37–36:34)

• Kate Aurthur shares insights from BravoCon—impressed by the kindness and engagement of in-person fans versus online toxicity (30:06).
• Inside scoop on Variety’s "Actors on Actors," touching on viral moments (Jennifer Aniston crying about Friends) and what it's like behind the scenes.
• Quote:
  "Ramin Setuta ... is the mastermind of Actors on Actors. He puts together all the pairings. He works on it for months.” —Kate Aurthur (31:43)

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Celebrity Reputation: Surprise Encounters (37:29–40:00)

• Kate describes interactions with stars whose public image didn’t match her private experience—Brett Goldstein’s warmth, Kieran Culkin’s gentleness.
• Discussion about reality TV personality Tom Sandoval and how editing and timing affect perception.

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Streaming Wars: Warner Bros., Netflix, and The Bachelor (40:09–46:58)

• Nick asks Kate to demystify the real-life “Succession” playing out in Hollywood as Netflix and Paramount vie for Warner Bros.
  Kate’s Analysis: Mergers could be disastrous for Hollywood jobs and theatrical releases. Debate around the future of big franchises (43:11).
• They touch on The Bachelor's struggles and whether Taylor Frankie Paul could save the franchise.

Quote:
"This is about taking a major studio off the table ... whatever happens, their output will get smaller." —Kate (41:22)

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Bravo Scandal Round-Up: Jen Shah & Karen Huger (48:22–56:01)

• Jen Shah’s prison release: Will Bravo take her back? Kate: “Real Housewives of Salt Lake City needs nothing ... It is firing on all cylinders.” (50:26)
• Karen Huger’s DUI and return, Wendy’s legal troubles on Potomac—Kate speculates Bravo is waiting for more to unfold.

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RHOP & RHOSLC Rapid Recaps (52:31–70:00)

• Potomac:

  • Recaps involve cannabis business feuds, Ashley’s on-camera breakup, and uproar over Stacy’s honesty and likability.
  • The team teases about the blurred line between reality and production staging (“Are these breakups real or for the cameras?”).

• Salt Lake City:

  • A trip to Greece prompts more “plane incident” drama.
  • Group debates: Is Lisa’s glam indulgent or justified? Is Meredith avoiding accountability for on-flight chaos?
  • Lively debates about the show’s quick-moving conflicts versus Beverly Hills’ “drawn-out drama.”

Memorable RHOSLC Quote:
"What these women can do, though ... is they can have the most vicious fights and then wake up the next morning and be like, hey." —Kate Aurthur (70:12)

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The Evolving Face of Reality TV (74:14–81:56)

• Nick and Kate discuss how the next-gen Vanderpump Rules cast represents the new normal: reality stars who are also aspiring entertainers.
• Natalie McGuire, newly minted Vanderpump cast member, joins to describe the crossover between restaurant work, entertainment, and influencer life.

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Spotlight: Natalie McGuire (85:30–111:47)

Becoming a Vanderpump Rule (85:30–88:30)

• Natalie shares that working at SUR started as a regular bartending gig; fame was not her expectation ("My initial goal was to just work for [Lisa] ... and get to know her." —Natalie, 87:15)
• Quick primer: She’s from Florida, trained in theater, landed in LA to pursue performing.

Filming & Cast Dynamics (88:30–102:00)

• Details her real-world audition (no Lisa interview; hired by Guillermo) and clarifies her real suspension was not fabricated for the show (92:55).
• On pressure to fill OG shoes: “I felt there was nonexistent pressure to be anything like them ... I think our group is different.” (89:25)
• She describes the rotating relationships and work drama ("It's really a revolving door of who's my least favorite person today." —Natalie, 99:29).

On Pursuing Dreams Beyond Reality TV (104:03–105:15)

• Open about her hopes to leverage Vanderpump as a launchpad: “10 years ago, it would have had a negative effect, but today ... being someone people know is beneficial.” (94:58)
• Dream role: a movie musical or Broadway adaptation (104:06).

Authenticity & Cast Relationships (96:02–100:01)

• Swats down rumors of “chemistry” with Marcus: “We just get along as coworkers. We've never hung out outside of work.” (99:02)
• Confirms there is both real camaraderie and manufactured tension—a mix of authentic and staged moments.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Nick (on reality TV’s transformation):
  "Creators, influencers, reality TV stars are able to cross over a little bit more, are getting opportunities, actually have more influence." (74:44)

• Kate Aurthur (on Jen Shah):
  "She did. What she did was so wrong. And it's just like one of those things where it's like, whoa, I didn't even know that crime existed." (50:26)

• Natalie McGuire (on cast anxiety):
  "Sometimes I come into work, like, I can barely breathe. I'm so anxious ... It's really a revolving door of who's my least favorite person today." (99:29–99:47)

• Kate Aurthur (RHOSLC wisdom):
  "What these women can do, though, that very few cast can do, is they can have the most vicious fights and then wake up the next morning and be like, hey." (70:12)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Holiday & Relationship Banter: 02:00–16:00
• Reflecting on Hilaria Baldwin: 09:33–16:30
• Bravo/Pop Culture Headlines: 16:30–29:30
• Kate Aurthur BravoCon & Industry Scoop: 29:37–46:58
• Bravo Scandals (Jen Shah/Karen Huger): 48:22–56:01
• RHOP/RHOSLC Rapid Recaps & Analysis: 52:31–70:00
• The Next Era of Reality TV: 74:14–81:56
• Vanderpump’s Natalie McGuire Interview: 85:30–111:47

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Final Thoughts

This episode captures the dynamic shift in reality TV: the industry’s power players, the changing nature of celebrity, and the merging of aspirational and actual entertainment careers. With spirited recaps, hot takes, and in-the-trenches perspective from a new Vanderpump Rules star, The Viall Files confirms it’s a must-listen for Bravo superfans and pop culture observers alike.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[C]

You're crazy.

[D]

Foreign.

[A]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another electric episode of the B Files Reality Recap edition, joined by my sparkly.

[E]

Wait.

[B]

You're gonna say I am your host.

[A]

I am your host. Nick, I was already thinking about what I'm gonna say, what I'm gonna say to you.

[E]

He thinks of you before himself.

[F]

He does.

[A]

I do. I am a selfless partner. Well in love.

[B]

What were you thinking about Zayn?

[A]

Sparkly.

Charismatic, selfless, Curious.

[B]

Curious.

[A]

Curious. You just want to know how things happen.

My wife Natalie, she is with us, joined by the rest of the household Sierra is sick. She's down bad. Yeah.

[G]

Under the weather.

[A]

She's under the weather.

[E]

Something's going around.

[B]

We got Leia on the couch. Hi, mom of two.

[E]

Woo.

[B]

Soon to be.

[A]

Natalie told me she's done with all my Christmas shopping.

[E]

Done.

[B]

I have not started.

[E]

How do you do it?

[A]

I didn't make you a list. Sometimes you're like, you're going to love. I got you the best Christmas gift.

[B]

Listen, like, not every year is like a slam dunk. I think this year is pretty good. I definitely got creative for one of them. And the other ones, I, you know.

[A]

I'm looking at N's wish list, some necessities.

[E]

Oh, you made a wish list?

[B]

I have a running wish list of just, like, things that I wouldn't buy myself. But I'm like, oh, I love that. I'll just add it to this wish list and maybe are these coming things.

[A]

Or these are screenshots.

[G]

You made it hard for him.

[B]

Yeah, I do what I list what I want in the color, in the size, put the link, and then I also put the photo.

[G]

Oh, you made it easy.

[F]

Wow.

[E]

That's Nick.

[B]

I make it incredible.

[A]

It's in a checkout box.

[D]

It's your life. Yeah.

[B]

So you haven't done any.

[C]

Is what I'm.

[B]

It's coming to the.

[C]

You haven't hit order.

[A]

What day is it? It's December. What?

[G]

10Th. Nick.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

It's my dad's birthday.

[E]

Happy birthday.

[G]

You want to send a text?

[B]

Need a call?

[E]

I have even less time than you guys because Hanukkah starts on Sunday.

[A]

Oh, do you guys give gifts?

[E]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Eight nights of them.

[A]

You have to give eight gifts to Danny.

[B]

Oh, my God. That's a dream.

[E]

No, I'm not going to do that. I am not going to do that. He's not going to do that.

[B]

Are you going to do it for Louie?

[E]

No, but my mom did. She bought eight gifts.

[B]

I didn't realize that people celebrate St. Nick.

[E]

What's that?

[B]

River got a gift on St. Nick?

[A]

Yeah, my mom gave River a St. Nick gift. I believe he comes on December 6th or 7th.

[E]

Oh, what is it?

[A]

Wait, it's like. It's a bonus for being Catholic.

[B]

He comes December 5th.

[A]

December 5th?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

We like our saints in Catholicism.

[C]

Both of them.

[E]

Okay.

[A]

And we have so many, like, extra religious days where you have to go to church for no reason. Yeah, I feel like St. Nick is one of those days where, like, this one's about you guys.

[G]

Wow.

[D]

It's like.

[B]

It's so you always gotta get to go to church.

[A]

It's kind of like Santa. It's like Santa gives a free Santa.

[F]

It's Santa. But like a little bit more sad and a little bit more repressed.

[E]

So what does the day look like? Like, you wake up in the morning.

[A]

St. Nick's story.

[E]

You wake up in the morning and like, what is the day?

[A]

There's just like some toy, maybe a treat and a stocking.

[F]

Lutheranism doesn't do St. Nick. We just get all of the days. You have to go to church as well, without the extra gifts.

[G]

I'm Catholic, but I never did St. Nick. You never did St. Nick? No, but we did, like, 12 days of Christmas 12 days ago.

[B]

We.

[F]

We for sure.

[E]

That's more than eight guys.

[F]

We for sure had an Advent calendar.

[B]

Christmas. Damn.

[F]

ABC Family used to do their.

[G]

Like, you don't. You don't take your decorations down after Christmas. You leave them.

[F]

Well, days of Christmas is basically. It's after Christmas.

[B]

It's.

[F]

It's like.

[E]

So it's going into January, like.

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

So January 4th, we're still celebrating is.

[A]

The first day of Christmas. Christmas Day.

[F]

Yes. So basically, like, after Jesus Christ was born in the manger. In the manger.

[A]

Lord and Savior.

[F]

Lord and Savior. Jesus Christ was born in the manger.

[E]

What's manger?

[F]

Manger. He was. He was born in a. Basically. Remember when you fell at Bravocon and there was no, like, room for you? No. You passed out at Bravocon.

[E]

Oh, yes.

[D]

Okay.

[F]

And you were in the hotel and there was no room for you. That's basically what happened to Mary, Mother of God. And she was pregnant, as are you.

[G]

I feel like we don't need to recap the whole birth of Jesus.

[E]

I'm learning something new.

[F]

So they had to, like, go to a stable in a manger and shit. And then like.

[A]

And they were like, vacancy.

[F]

There was no.

[B]

Vacancy is like a valley, right? Like, a manger is like a.

[F]

Like, manger is a little box.

[E]

By the way, the reason I ask is because I keep hearing Lisa Barlo singing about a manger.

[F]

Okay. A manger. You put like hay in it and stuff, and animals, like, eat out of it.

[G]

Like a barn, but a lot smaller.

[E]

Very tiny. Born in it.

[F]

Yes.

[E]

Whoa.

[F]

Cuz he was humble.

[D]

Anyway, that was the whole thing.

[A]

Like, his dad was God, but.

[F]

But he didn't. He was a necessary to be born here.

[B]

It's fine.

[F]

And anyway, and.

[A]

And I was very worried about Jesus being a Nepo baby.

[F]

Yeah. So then to get back to the 12 days of Christmas. Basically. Afterwards, there were a bunch of, like, people who, like, got messages from angels or whatever, and they were like the.

[G]

Star that led them to Jesus.

[F]

And it took them 12 days. And so those are the 12 days of Christmas and they're like gifts. They would bring, like, frankincense and myrrh and, like, other things. And so after that, myrrh. Frankincense and myrrh. Bruh.

[E]

Wow. I'm really.

[F]

Anyway, that's the 12 days of Christmas.

[G]

I do have a vivid memory, and I'm curious whether Nikki ever went to one. When I was little, my family brought me to, like, a church transformed, like, the surrounding area into Jerusalem or, like, into the city that, like, Jesus was born. And we walked around and there were like, Roman guards around, like, people in, like, historic.

[A]

I think we didn't. We always had a nativity scene and.

[G]

It was like a live nativity scene with, like, a woman. I don't think she was giving birth, but I think she had given the birth and, like, the baby was in a manger. Yeah, the manger.

[A]

When I was six, we'd put on a play at the lake house. I have pictures of it.

[E]

Oh, did you get a manger?

[A]

I played Joseph. Jesus Christ, Joseph.

[E]

That's a miss. You should have played Nick.

[F]

Nick wasn't there.

[B]

Okay, I'm sorry.

[A]

Well, we have a great episode lined up for you today. The one and only Kate Arthur from Variety magazine joins us to talk all things Bravo. She has been covering Bravo and reality TV for some time now. She's also part of the actors on Actors production, or she certainly has been in the past. And.

[B]

And so you know who now is Elizabeth Wagmeister.

[A]

Well, now that in Variety and CNN are kind of like, working together.

[C]

So congrats.

[A]

We'll get to talk to her about all of that and more. Plus, Natalie McGuire from your new Vanderpump cast joins the show to talk about the new cast. Not necessarily a new show. I'm still quite confused, but it being soft relaunch season 12. Yeah, I feel like if you're going to do a season, I know. Like what? Like, isn't there, like, a handoff?

[G]

Lisa talked about this. Like, she talked about it when they did like, a premiere party a couple days ago. And Lisa was saying, like, there was a lot of thought that was put into whether we bring this back and rebooting it or are we, like, moving it on. And she was just like. She honestly didn't provide really an explanation. She was like, it meant sense of Fashion. It meant sense to keep it.

[E]

It must have been such a dream come true for some of these people to, like, do the whole intro video with the music and, like, be part of, like, such an established popular show.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

They really don't have to do much.

[E]

No.

[B]

Yeah. They're like, we already got 11 seasons under our belt.

[E]

I'm just so curious. I'm curious to know from Natalie, like, what the pressure must feel like to fill those shoes, because it's like. I mean, we'll get into it, but the episode was, like, good. I wonder. I feel good about it after where they're like, I cried. It was dramatic. It was.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Fight.

[F]

Yeah. I mean, we'll talk about it more when we cover it, but I'm into it.

[B]

Well, we had Hilaria Baldwin on.

[A]

I enjoyed her.

[B]

I did, too.

[A]

I thought she was great.

[B]

I don't understand. I mean, I guess she's like another Megan Marle type where people just hate her for no real reason, you know?

[A]

You know, she married into fame, and I think a lot of people feel a certain way about that.

[B]

Well, I. I mean.

[E]

Are famous people only allowed to marry famous people?

[F]

Exactly.

[B]

I feel like it's always more endearing when they don't marry famous people. And it's like, oh, look at them. And then it's like, no, we hate her.

[E]

Right.

[C]

The whole.

[F]

That should be me.

[A]

She's a strong personality. She's a big personality. She's quirky and eccentric and all these, you know, she's very charming in person. Also just incredibly easygoing.

[F]

That.

[A]

I think that was my biggest surprise. I. You know, I think you have this perception of, you know, she's married to Alec Baldwin, this big celebrity, and like, she's probably. She's had all this kind of, like, criticism, whether you deem it fair or not. And she showed up by herself. No team publicist, no manager.

[G]

I was going to say, you can tell a lot about people by the way they enter a room. And, like, she entered the room and addressed the people in the room, like, whether, like, beyond you and Natalie.

[B]

Right, right, right.

[G]

Like, she was interested in talking to other people, which I think says a lot.

[F]

She also was super down to do the stupidest TikTok we've ever made. So that was cool. Check it out, check it out, check it out. Go, go on. Vol's TikTok.

[A]

I really enjoyed it. Enjoy the conversation. And again, that's why I love what we do to actually so many people that we don't see as human. Humanize them. And, yeah, whatever. She has a little bit of an accent sometimes. I don't know.

[B]

No, but talking to her, like, it.

[A]

Makes so much sense.

[B]

As someone like myself who grew up in the south, grew up with a very thick Southern accent, to then, like, learn to not speak with that accent anymore. And now that dialect is, like, engraved in my brain now when I'm with other people from the south, it comes out, and people will be like, what the hell is that? Yeah, what is that? And so I relate.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

And she might not be Spain, but she's grew up going there. Her family's from there. Like, she is bilingual.

[A]

When I go to Thanksgiving with your family for a weekend, I'm. I spark. Start speaking differently. By the. The last day, it's like, I can't.

[B]

Imagine being married to, like, if Nick were British. Oh, my God.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

Eventually it's gotta come out, guys.

[B]

Y' all would. I would not. I mean.

[G]

And suddenly Natalie is Dorit.

[B]

Literally, I'm dorit.

[F]

Have you guys ever heard of the, like, concept of, like, mirroring and, like, attraction and stuff? Like, when you. Yeah.

[D]

If you.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Like Brad Pitt with every woman he's dated, he's kind of morphed into the.

[F]

Yeah. Kind of. But also, it's like, even with friends or just, like, your family, people you're close to, people you love, you a lot of times, like, mirror their mannerisms.

[B]

The way they speak.

[F]

So you know what I mean? Like, it's just.

[A]

It's not like I started saying period slay, because I. Yeah. Wasn't hanging around with my wife.

[F]

Exactly. You know, so, you know, we can.

[G]

I remember the first time you said period, and I was like, oh, oops, Boots.

[B]

I'm trying very hard to not speak in Gen Z.

[F]

In Gen Z, you don't want to say 6, 7.

[E]

So it was in and out.

[C]

Yeah. Truly.

[B]

So is it now.

[A]

At what point did you realize that there was a mixed bag of opinions about me?

[B]

Probably when I started getting, like, child bride dms and comments and, like. Yeah. I started seeing people have an opinion about me who's never met me before. I definitely was like, oh, who are you?

[C]

Interesting.

[B]

How do you know that? Why do you think that? What have I done to you? Why are you mad?

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

Probably then. But, you know, I'm grateful that you have, like, you know, it seemed very much like, talking to Hilaria that Alec was, like, not the best teacher and, like, bringing her into his world. She kind of talked about how he was kind of like, she got a Call from Page Six. And then she was, like, stunned. Like, I don't know what the to say. She called him. He's like, oh, you handled that pretty good. And I'm grateful that you have very much been like, none of this is real. These comments, like, don't let it get to you. Don't read, don't believe. Just know what is true is like, what's in front of you. And so I am grateful for that because if you had just been like.

Head to Reddit, see what they say, I probably would.

[A]

Everyone's opinions matter.

[F]

Yeah.

[G]

Yeah.

[E]

Well, change their mind. I don't know what to tell you.

[C]

Yeah, you should go online more.

[A]

They have a point. Yeah.

[E]

I mean, I don't know everybody.

[B]

You're probably right.

[D]

Yeah.

[E]

So I see what they're saying.

[F]

Yeah. Yeah, you are. All of the things everyone is saying, by the way. I don't know if you guys knew that.

[E]

I mean. Yeah, it makes sense.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I felt like I've heard so much about Hilaria throughout the media and obviously we talked about some of the more like, viral moments and, like, just peeling back the layers and, like, seeing the human behind it. And it's so obvious that, like, her and Alec are just not that serious. And everyone tries to make it, you know, it's when people are like, it's not that deep. It's just, you know, like, it's just not. We don't care. We're fine.

[A]

The people obviously looking for things.

[B]

Totally.

[A]

And, like, we've been guilty. I mean, in responding to, like, you know, we talked about red carpet moment. We're like, oh, damn. You know, like, oh, yeah. And we. But we all, you know, and obviously she reminded us what. We always know that, like. And that's the thing with short form, is that you're not, you know, you're. You're swiping through, you're half paying attention. You're not really thinking about is this being taken out of context or what is the context or things like that. Yeah, it is fun to just look at that and go, oh, trouble. Ooh, she's being.

[E]

Well, because also it's a nice distraction from your life where it's like, oh, like you get to talk about something outside of yourself.

[G]

Yeah.

[F]

I think it's still fun and, like, not terrible to have those conversations. As long as it's like, not that serious. You know what I mean? And I think, like, with Alec Baldwin, he is so funny. Like, he, him, alec Baldwin and 30 Rock, like, is one of the funniest Performances I've ever seen in my entire life. And so for. I think when people, like, talk about him, like, this hyper serious guy and, like, with Hilaria of, like, how are they together? I'm like, that's Jack Donaghy. He was making, like, poop jokes for, like, 10 years on 30 Rock. Like, I'm sure. I'm sure they get along well.

[B]

You know what else is not that deep?

[F]

What?

[B]

Kyle Cook staying at his fan A fans, actually.

[E]

That is. That is still deep.

[B]

Yeah, it is. Well, he is claiming it's not that.

[C]

Yes.

[E]

He's saying it's not.

[A]

Appreciate the context.

[B]

I can understand how you're living your life. The trailer comes out, you kind of forget that that was, like, something you and your wife had to work through. And you have a clip of her venting to her friends of, like, in the heat of the moment, like, and he fucking slept at a fan's house. And that's the only bit that they put into the trailer. And now he's got to respond to everyone being like, what did you do? And he's basically was like, guys, it was an event. Me and Amanda didn't. She didn't want to go. It was an event. It moved to a bar. The bar moved to an after party. He's like, I don't do any drugs to stay awake. So I got sleepy and fell asleep on a couch. All of a sudden, 6am Interesting context, the drugs.

[A]

Nevertheless, I still wouldn't find myself in that situation. I am also not a dj, so there is that in Kyle's defense. But it's a different story than the one we heard, which made it seem like he DJ'd left the event and, like, went to a random fan, was like, you want to, like, check out my apartment? And he was like, sure.

[C]

Like, he.

[B]

Almost Famous. How much do you pay in rent?

[A]

Yeah. And then he got, like, a house tour at 5:30am and then got lost in said house tour. And instead of going home to his wife, fell asleep instead of. He went to an after party and at the after party, took a seat on a couch, got lost in his thoughts and fell asleep.

[F]

Yeah.

[G]

Who was the cast member from last season that would, like, sleep with a ton of random people? Like, it was giving. It was alluding to that energy that just, like, found someone.

[A]

Yes.

[E]

What was his name?

[B]

What was his name?

[F]

I can picture him as clear as day in my mind.

[E]

Emerald. Yeah. Emerald.

[F]

Yeah. Just like Emeril. It kind of makes me think of. Have you guys seen Almost Famous?

[E]

Yes.

[F]

You Know that scene when they just go to a random person's house and party and then jump in their pool.

[G]

I am curious how the season's gonna play out because there's a ton of new people and I think this reinforces my speculation that this will be the last season with the OG cast because someone did a breakdown of the six new housemates if we want to. So we have Mia. She's a Manhattan real estate powerhouse joining the group through her good friend Sierra. Dara or Dara, content creator had a year long romance with Wes, but has since moved on. Bailey Taylor created the rising media platform called It Girl. KJ Dillard, pro skater turned model and musician skater Levi.

[A]

Six new people.

[G]

That's crazy.

[E]

How are we gonna keep track of all of these?

[G]

Levi?

[A]

Yeah, to Justin's point, it's giving recast and it's actually giving that like what they would have done with Vanderpump had they planned this before Vanderpump happened.

[B]

And like having them integrate and then.

[A]

Separate in like a handoff and it will be like some kind of spinoff to like Kyle and Amanda in this.

[B]

Is there even enough bedrooms?

[E]

That's what I was just gonn. Also, none of them.

[F]

Yes, people are going to have to bonk.

[G]

No, a lot of these two of.

[E]

Them were in the trailer. The.

[G]

The.

[E]

The Australian Bachelor.

[G]

I think a lot of these people are like introduced through storylines but pro. I would assume so. Like I don't know that they're full time cast members or even friends, but these are just people that are hanging around. They'll be brought, identified.

[E]

I do think that this is a smart way to do a reboot and.

[G]

We don't know that it's a reboot.

[B]

How do we think Dara, or Dara, the content creator who had a year long romance with west but has since moved on. I feel like that's quotes from her own mouth. How do we feel like she got on the show? Do we feel like west was like, hey, we're on good terms. You've since moved on, as have I.

[F]

I love when people have since moved on.

[B]

Or was it like a let's get a little bit of drama and peel back into these guys past.

[G]

I think it's like a party. Like it's like we sent the party full, everybody RSVP to it. She shows up and then something happens.

[E]

You must have been at the party.

[F]

And you're like, ah, fuck my ex. Even though she's since moved on, she's here.

[B]

It'll be interesting.

[A]

But he's don't love a Sierra.

[F]

I guess maybe you still don't love us here. I don't know. I kind of think Weston Sierra end game. Don't. Don't kill me.

[E]

I DM Jesse Solomon asking him to send me partyful links and he didn't.

[G]

You're also not in the Hamptons just for the plot.

[E]

I just want to know what. Where they're happening.

[B]

If Lindsay Hubbard can party pregnant, so can Leia.

[F]

That's true.

[E]

I did go to Coachella pregnant.

[G]

We can tell you where they're happening. They're in the Hamptons. And that I'm sure that listing is somewhere.

[E]

And Bravocon.

[F]

Group trip to the Hamptons. Anyone?

[E]

That's neither here nor there.

[F]

Anyone?

[B]

Group trip. The Hamptons.

Party.

[E]

We should.

[A]

I've never been to the Hamptons.

[F]

I haven't either, shockingly.

[D]

Okay, Nick, you d. Maybe Sierra will invite us.

[A]

Probably not.

[E]

No, probably not.

[F]

Not you.

[E]

How about you DM Jesse or West and ask for a party filling for all of us.

[A]

That's a party filling.

[E]

That's how they're invited to all of these parties that they have at the summer house.

[A]

How the.

[G]

The young, hip kids are creating party invites.

[F]

Field trip.

[B]

Yeah, for research purposes. Research.

[E]

Research. Very important research.

[F]

Live podcast episode Bio Files goes.

[E]

It's a whole episode.

[F]

Yeah.

[E]

Bio Files team is here.

[B]

We did our Christmas cards and people have received them. Yay.

[G]

I was like, I didn't get mine.

[E]

Maybe right then.

[B]

That's just so many.

[A]

To all the employees.

[B]

And then I was like, you know, where did you. Does Kyle really want a picture of river on his fridge?

[E]

I mean, I would hang it up.

[A]

Hey, guys, you work for us. Here's our family. Put it on your fridge.

[G]

I thought it would be cute.

[B]

You don't see enough of us.

[C]

I don't know.

[F]

I get one from my dentist, but not the people I talk to every day.

[G]

Where did you guys take them? Like, what was the setting?

[B]

We so remember last year when it was like the whole ordeal. The sweater.

[A]

Sweater. Yeah.

[G]

I got clowned for saying Sears. Yes.

[B]

Yes. Nick was complain central. This year he was also complain central.

[C]

Surprise.

[A]

Well, she almost made us do it during the Packer game.

[G]

Well, you set yourself up a little bit.

[B]

Well, I didn't realize it was the Packer game. It was the only day Sarah Partain, our photographer who's captured every important moment in our lives, had available. And we were, like, about to leave for Thanksgiving. Then we were going to the lake. Like, we times. It was short. And then also you have to get them printed, get them. Go to minted, fill out the thing, get them printed, then send them out. It's like a long. It's a long process. So I was like, oh, my God, this is our only day, Nick, we have to go at one o'.

[G]

Clock.

[B]

He's like, it's right in the middle of the Packer game. I'm like, I don't really know. It'll take 20 minutes. You got a toddler. She's not going to last very long. Like, I want to make a pause.

[A]

But I was mentally to go. He was definitely grumbling and huffing and puffing, but I. I had conceded in my gorgeous love.

[B]

Then I woke up with a headache morning of. And Nick's like, I think you should rest. You shouldn't. Because I was like, I need to get ready. He's like, you, my sweet wife should.

[G]

Just lay down giving a little convenient and rest.

[B]

And I was like, you would say that. And I ended up being like, you know what? Maybe he's right. And I found another photographer who was lovely. Who was lovely, did a wonderful job. Yeah. And she was like, I can fit you in tomorrow. I was like, we're in and out. We only need like 20 minutes. And she crashed. And it was great. Great to Nina.

[G]

Wait, so what was the setting? It was in the house.

[B]

Oh, sorry.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

No, it was not in the house.

[A]

It was in a field.

[B]

We were like, you know, gallivanting and running throughout the field.

[G]

And did you have, like, matching colors?

[B]

We did, like, color coordinating.

[A]

Let me just kind of whip something up real quick.

[B]

I did. I was in one of those where I was like, don't care. Yeah, do your thing.

[F]

Yeah. You know, after the oatmeal.

[B]

After oatmeal sweater, I'm like, I can't take your battles.

[F]

Yeah.

[B]

I can only pick one child outfit. Yeah. Reverse.

[A]

Well, up next we have Kate Arthur to get into all things bravo, including discussing the recent release. She's out, baby.

[F]

She's out. Congrats, Justin.

[A]

Released from incarceration. And obviously we had another wild episode of the Salt Lake City Housewives.

[E]

There's never a dull moment.

[A]

Never a dull moment. But before we get to Kate Arthur, just a friendly reminder that Vile Files plus is now giving you ad free episodes of the Vile Files. So if you want to listen to our show ad free. In addition to that, get updates on the juiciest ass Nick callers or deep dive even more into your favorite reality TV shows or just do a weekly roundup of your favorite pop culture topics we didn't get to get to talk about. All that and more is available on Vile Files plus, so be sure to check it out. It's free to sign up. Go to vile files.com to get your vile files plus content. Yeah. So it's really exciting.

[D]

Check it out.

[F]

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[E]

It's a lot of fun.

[C]

It's really fun.

[E]

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[F]

Yeah, we really just goof. We Gabby.

[A]

There we go.

[B]

Okay, Kate Arthur up next.

[A]

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[A]

Kate Arthur, welcome back to the show. How are you?

[D]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

So good to be with you.

[G]

It's great to see you.

[A]

We got to run into Kate at BravoCon.

[D]

We did.

[A]

Got to catch up.

[D]

Yes.

[A]

Is that your first Bravo Con?

[D]

It was my second. I went to the other Vegas one. I hadn't. I never went to the New York ones.

[A]

I was really impressed.

[D]

It's a great convention. I mean, I've never been to like Comic Con or anything, but I've been to film festivals and they're usually just a total shit show in terms of organization. And it is so well run. Like, really?

[A]

Do you find that really well run and like incredibly organized. I was also just really impressed with the fans, honestly, because, like, you never released. But the people who go to BravoCon seem to be the kind ones.

[D]

Totally. It's interesting because Bravo does have a toxic streak in its fandom, but not the people who go to BravoCon or at least not the people not in person. It's not the way to say.

[B]

It's because people in person are normally nice and normal and know how to speak to other human beings. And then the people who are hiding behind their screen are the ones who like, have all the confidence to say the nasty things. So it makes sense that everyone at Robicon is Like, either way, it would.

[E]

Also be crazy to spend all that money to go and like, everyone. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[F]

That's a. That's another level of hater.

[C]

Yeah, exactly.

[F]

That person.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Actors on Actors.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You guys do. At the end of every year. It just. The new 2025 lineup came out. You're pretty involved in that process.

[D]

So the taping was actually the same weekend as BravoCon, so I couldn't moderate this year.

[A]

Oh, boy.

[D]

But I edited a bunch of them.

[A]

And that's got to be so fun.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

What's the genesis of Actors on Actors? Like, do you know who came up with it? Such a compelling idea. For those of you who don't know. If you're living under a rock, you have kind of iconic actors who are in relevant or prevalent films throughout the year will interview each other.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

And usually you guys do a really good job of like, actors who have maybe worked on various projects together in the past from way back. We'll do like a callback. It's. It's always a lot of fun to watch those interviews.

[D]

Ramin Setuta, who is my friend and my boss and the co editor in chief of Variety, is the mastermind of Actors on Actors. He puts together all the pairings. He works on it for months. He made it. It's now on CNN and will be streaming on CNN also. He forged that deal himself. He crossed over into a business role. And I mean, wait until you see the Jennifer Lawrence Leo conversation.

[B]

I just saw a clip.

[D]

I only have heard of it, you know. But you haven't seen it yet either. No, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. But I mean, you know, she. She can obviously talk to anyone and is incredible and huge Bravo fan, but. Which I don't think Leo is, but. But she apparently just ran that conversation and it was super.

[A]

When did that one come out?

[D]

It's the last one. Like the 17.

[B]

I just saw a clip of the Gwyneth paltrow Jacob Elordi1.

[E]

Oh.

[B]

She was like, my daughter loves you. I'm sure I'll love you by the end of this. And he was like, it's always my mom loves you or my daughter loves you. It's never I love you. And she's like, I love you, J. Cole. I'm in love with you.

So wholesome.

[D]

No, they're really. They're so fun. And they can be. They're really usually very fun to moderate. And people do it because they like it and they want to meet the person and you know, we give them a lot of choice.

[B]

I'm sure they also feel very safe.

[D]

Yeah, I think so. I mean, and also, like, you know, we send suggested questions and we're there to kind of interrupt if there's a lull or a lot of times people won't say a director's last name or whatever. And so we're like, can you just repeat that with their name? You know. So we did Jennifer Aniston and Quinta Brunson two Emmy cycles ago. And there's actually a clip where you can hear my voice. And I did not realize what this. This went viral and I didn't realize what it was going to prompt in Jennifer Aniston. But it was. It was the 30th anniversary of friends and obviously Matthew Perry had died six months before or whatever. And so I said we were winding down and I said, quinta, can you just ask Jen? I call her Jen, but she's Jen. But what it's like to watch Friends now, 30 years later. And Jennifer Aniston immediately started crying and became overcome. And Quinta was just lovely. I mean, she just handled it so well. We had to stop for quite a while. Like, you see, we actually broke the fourth wall. You know, we paused and. And you know, and Quinta was like, do you not want to answer? And she was like, no, I can do it. You know, but it was really.

[A]

You made Anna Frantis and cry.

[D]

That's what people online said.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

And also people think that there's no moderation and they're like, so annoyed. And I'm like, do you think these people can actually ask each other questions? I mean, sometimes people really do come with their own questions, but.

[B]

But also questions that like, like you said, sometimes they say directors names on a first name basis where audience would be like, who is that? You know, like, they talk in a way where they're just friends. And it's like the audience would need a little bit more insight.

[D]

Totally. And there's been an instance or two, and I won't name names where the person has midway through been like, I actually didn't get to see your movie. And we're like, why did you say that? You were faking it so well, you're an actor. Act like you saw it, which you had been up until now.

[C]

So we were like, oh, no, you're doing so well.

[G]

What.

[F]

What has been your favorite actors on actors or just any of those kind of variety interviews you've done?

[D]

Yeah, that. I mean, there have been so many with actors on Actors, the one that I like was dying during. And I don't know whether you guys will get them, but I did the Cate Blanchett, Michelle Yeoh one, and that was incredible. And I barely had to interrupt. And it was just like, usually people in the same category don't wanna do it with one another. And they were directly competing for Best Actress, which Michelle Yeoh obviously won for everything, everywhere, all at once. But Cate Blanchett was there for tar, which I was obsessed with, and so I was like. And we just never wanted it to stop. But the other one that we let go for an hour and a half to the point where it used to be on pbs, and the PBS people were like, hey, hey.

Was Ellen Pompeo and Katherine Heigl. And that was. I mean, it was Katherine Heigl, like, really went there, and then was in a huge panic afterwards that she had said too much, and we had to talk her down. Her manager freaked out, like, she was maybe not gonna release the footage. We were like, you agreed to that.

[A]

Well, she got too comfortable.

[F]

She did.

[D]

And she was. I was taught she doesn't even have a publicist anymore. So, like, I was out there. She was, like, crying, and I don't think she would mind if I said. But I was like, the world has changed. The world caught up to you. You were right most of the time, and people now understand that. And I was like, it's gonna be great, you know, and then it was great. And, you know, but she was. It was. Her husband was the one who'd come with her, and so it was just great. And then her manager was like, you were right, you know, when it came out.

[B]

That's also so relatable, too, of, like, getting comfortable and then leaving and being like, oh, my God, what did I just say?

[D]

To someone else? And they obviously know each other so well, so, like, you know, I think she really panicked.

[A]

And, you know, Katherine Heigl is someone who's, like, been caught up in controversy, and people have attacked her over the.

[D]

Years for speaking her mind.

[A]

For speaking her mind. And. Yeah, that can really. Yeah. You get in situations where you feel like you can't say anything.

[G]

Right.

[A]

Which was kind of. Maybe it's. Maybe Katherine Heigl's the answer. But I'm curious, is there any actor that you met where you were pleasantly surprised, based, you know, by your interactions that maybe were. Are different than what maybe you've heard about them over the years? We had just. We just interviewed Hilaria Baldwin.

[D]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

Yesterday.

[D]

Oh, wow. Yeah.

[A]

Fascinating.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, she is someone who, like, the Internet, has a zillion opinions of her. And we had a great time. She seemed very lovely. Showed up by herself. So down.

[B]

Anything.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, was this, like, ask me anything? I was like, this is not the Hilaria Baldwin. No, I would have. I'm curious, like, any of these actors where you're just like, oh, wow, that was a really fun interaction.

[D]

I mean, I have two. And I'll keep it brief. Cause I'm sure you don't wanna talk about this forever. But, like, I had really no opinions about Brett Goldstein. Like, none. You know, I'm not a big Ted Lasso person. And he was just so. And I didn't moderate this one, but he was so warm. He went up to every single person and introduced himself. You know, he looked everyone straight in the eye. Like. I was like, I love Brett Goldstein. This is weird. And then the other one is Kieran Culkin, who was so sweet. And I don't know if you were succession people, but I thought he was Roman Roy. And he was so lovely. And he did it with Claire Danes. And I did moderate that one. And they had been in a movie together years ago called Igbe Goes down. And. And so she knew him when he was like a child. Like, I think he's. Like, he was a child in that movie.

And she wasn't that much older, but, I mean, they were just so wonderful together. And just. He was so nice. And he talked about how this was when she was in Fleischman is in Trouble. And he talked about how she'd made him cry so much. And, you know, it was just really warm. And, you know, you really. You do see a lovely side of people, usually for better and for worse sometimes.

[A]

That's very great.

[B]

I feel like that. Yeah. The same thing I feel like happens for us on the show, you know, is like we have all these reality TV stars or even celebrities, and. And it's like we have this opinion of them that we see on tv. And then you meet him, you're like, God, you're just.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

Charming and nice and a good person. And like, that's. We realize it's all editing or it's the Internet, like, showing us the bad sides.

[D]

And I'm sure it happens the other way, too. What do you mean when you're like, oh, that person's a. He's a total asshole.

[B]

No, not Tom Sandoval.

[A]

I thought he was fine.

[D]

It was.

[B]

When we interviewed Tom Sandoval, it was.

[D]

Very much Like a personal disaster for him.

[A]

Yeah, that was just a real bad day for Tom since, you know, great day for us.

[B]

Great day for us.

[E]

We had him on again and that was better.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

He wants to come back. He does.

[B]

He loves Nick.

[D]

I'm sure he does. Yeah.

[A]

I, you know, you can do worse than Tom Sandoval.

[E]

Were you here the second time?

[B]

I was not, right. No, I was not. He had dude me out a little one too many times. The first one.

[A]

Dude, dude, dude. Speaking of succession, I am curious the whole, like, Netflix, Paramount, Warner Brothers, love it all. You're obviously very much in the industry. You guys cover the industry with Variety. It really is kind of giving like a real life Kendall Roy situation.

With. With the Paramount purchase. Before you say anything, just know we are part of the Netflix family.

[D]

Oh, that's right.

[A]

As host of Age of Attraction coming out in 2026. So just be careful what you said.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

But do you, in all seriousness, do you have thoughts or feelings? Because it really seems like a lot of dick measuring almost in a way of like, why are we they doing this and why, you know, like, what's going on? It's way above our kind of, you know, expertise.

[D]

I don't have expertise necessarily, but I mean, it to me is just a disaster for Hollywood. I mean, no matter who wins. As the Writers Guild issued a statement saying, like, this is about taking a major studio off the table. Like, Warner Brothers employs so many thousands of writers and actors, and, you know, whatever happens, their output will get smaller. And, you know, I think the choice is between Netflix's promise that Warner Brothers movies will get theatrical releases of at least two weeks. But it's like, that's nothing. That's nothing. And then Ted Sarando said, but, you know, things will evolve to be more consumer friendly, which to them means watching it at home. And it's like when you think about Barbie, you know, when you think about other Warner Brothers Brothers movies of your. I mean, I saw one battle after another in a theater and it was like incredible. Like, I was like, I'm alive. You know, Like, I love watching things at home. I watch so much at home. Obviously everyone does, but, like, I don't feel that way in my living room, you know, and, you know, it's obviously very convenient, but, you know, so the question is, does the theatrical business go away? Which eventually I guess it will. Which also takes a lot of money off the table because Barbie, you, you know, made a billion dollars and we've yet to see a streaming movie that's made A billion dollars. How do they even quantify that with streaming? No one knows. No one understands. I mean, they have. They know that, like, you know, there have been some of those, like that Shawn Levy movie Adam project or what, you know, like some of the most successful Netflix movies that never played in theaters. They know very much like, and this, they base it on how many subscribers signed up specifically to watch that.

[A]

Like, that was the first thing they watched after they signed up.

[D]

Exactly. And so, and then with Paramount, it's like, okay, do we want Paramount the way it seems to be shaping up, controlling cnn, like, that scares me too, you know, so. And he seems to want it specifically, maybe for CNN more than anything, which is like, it just feels sinister. I don't know. It's not good. This is gonna play out over a very long time and I have no idea what's gonna happen, honestly, none. And it seemed like Warner Brothers chose Netflix to be their partner when they went into exclusive negotiations with them last week, but we have no idea. We have no idea what's gonna happen.

[B]

So that deal isn't even closed yet?

[A]

No, I don't think it's set to be closed. It almost like takes over, well, Texas period of time.

[D]

Yeah, there's like, I don't know, know a ton about this, but Paramount lost, launched a hostile bid and then it's like going directly to the shareholders. And then it's like, that has to play out too. Like, how high will they go if it's a better deal, will they ultimately vote to do it? Will Netflix counter? I mean, this is that part.

[A]

But it also seems unclear because it's not an apples to apples bid because, like Paramount wants to buy the whole thing and then Netflix only wants to buy like studio streaming, you know, the HBO Max of it all the studio. And they don't want the, like the legacy.

[D]

They want Warner Brothers movie movie studio. Warner Brothers television studio. Yeah. And the HBO and none of the other cable networks, which is understandable.

[A]

You know, like, Netflix could own the Bachelor franchise.

[D]

That's right.

[A]

It's kind of weird.

[D]

Yeah, that's right.

[A]

And they could. They could get rid of it. They could keep it going. They could, I don't know, turn it.

[B]

Into like Netflix talent only, like I said, just Vestal would be a great Bachelorette.

[A]

It'll be fascinating.

[C]

Did you.

[A]

Do you. What do you get into that? Do you have any opinions about Taylor, Frankie, Paul being the next.

[D]

I'm so excited. I mean, that's the best decision you are of that franchise, obviously. But even The Golden Bachelor didn't work this cycle, and, I mean, they ruined that.

[A]

Yeah, they had a good thing going.

[D]

You think it was just. Just him and casting or.

[A]

Yeah, I don't think that helped. I think they keep swinging and missing with the people they're selecting to, like, run these shows. You know, they've obviously had that internal mess, and I don't think they've really recovered yet. You know, I hear a lot of gossip with people who used to work.

[D]

Pass it on, man.

[A]

And yeah, it's just a lot of, like, I think they just keep picking the wrong people. It's my understanding that the person they picked to showrunner the most recent Golden Bachelor, I was told that, you know, when they hired this person, they were like, this person's really. They could do the show, but, like, this person will only produce the show. And I don't think they fully can grasp, like, just how much that goes into the show. And then he proceeds to go into. Do a podcast and do an interview that kind of completely torpedoed his entire brand. I was shocked that they didn't fire him. I mean, this came out months before they were set to film. I've always said their greatest strengths, at least their greatest strength used to be when they produced their show, is their ability to move fast and adjust. You know, like, things happen. They're like, fuck it, we need to completely change course. They're really good at that. And the fact they did. They didn't do that shocked me because he. He was just some guy. We didn't know about him before. Yeah, we knew about him for like a month. At that point, no one was really invested in him. And so all we really knew about him was that he, you know, his ex wife was in her 40s and he only dated women of a certain age. And it was like, that's not this show.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

You know, and the fact that they just kind of muscled through that, I seemed to be a big mistake. And then that was what, the whole season? No. And I think everyone was just so turned off by it. Not to mention simultaneously, your first Golden Bachelor was, you know, turned out to be not so great. And it's kind of getting all this negative press. And then people were just like, you know what? This is just as bullshit as the other one.

[D]

I mean, I'm sure you heard this too, but that they were actively casting for the Bachelor. And then Rob Mills, the head of Disney Reality, was like, we gotta just. We gotta reverse course and just cast Taylor, Frankie, Paul, like. And, you know, this is A dying franchise. And this is. And you know, the way they're using secret lives of Mormon wives to like feed into aging ABC reality shows is incredibly smart. It's so smart.

[A]

Yeah, well, I, I think, I think it's the only thing that could save it. But it, it works because. Yeah. How are they going to, what were they going to do? Find some random bachelor? You know, that's not a recipe that's worked for them over the past few years and they hadn't done a good job of kind of farming talent as they were in previous years. So, like. Yeah. And then they had Taylor, Frankie, Paul just kind of sitting there recently, single, being a big fan of the franchise made a lot of sense.

[D]

Yeah. You know, they were in Las Vegas the weekend that we were Bravocon.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. Literally across the street.

[D]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. It was kind of fascinating. Well, let's talk a little Bravo. Jen Shaw.

[D]

Oh my God. Is now out at BravoCon. I did this in the cycle before too. I interviewed Frances Berwick, who's the head of Bravo, and Peacock, who has been at Bravo for 30 years. I mean, she's been there for its whole rise and she runs the network. She's this lovely English woman, like, so soothing when she talks. And so I asked her everything and you know, one of the things I talked to her about was, you know, what's forgivable within the Bravo universe? Because Karen Huger was at Bravocon. She, you know, was released from prison in September after her fourth DUI and got a standing ovation at one of the Andy nighttime events. And, you know, they showed the mid season trailer for the Real Housewives of Potomac and showed that Andy Cohen was sitting down with her and I wouldn't be surprised if she's on the next season. So, you know, I was just, I was curious because.

[B]

Good question.

[D]

She said, you know, I think that the fans sense, though they haven't heard it from her yet that Karen has taken this moment to really take stock, change. This is a pivotal moment in her life and she knows that she did wrong and she's taken that accountability word and this is like the beginning of a new chapter for her. And so then I asked her about other people and because she talked about what's forgivable and what's not. And I said, is Jen Shaw not forgivable? And she said to me, yes. And obviously that's what Andy Cohen has said too. And I'd asked Heather Gay the day before and Heather Gay said, well, I think Andy Cohen answered that for all of us. Thank God. I mean, Jen Shaw, look, the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City needs nothing.

[B]

Nothing.

[D]

It's like a perfect show. It is firing on all cylinders in a way that I can't even think of. Shows that have been on a run like this, like scripted shows have been. But for unscripted, this is really something they don't need to bring back. This toxic presence who, it seems, committed violence against one of the cast. I mean, we'll never know that story, unfortunately, but it seems like she and her husband are still together. I'm happy for her that she's home before Christmas, like, all of those things, but she did. What she did was so wrong. And it's just like one of those things where it's like, whoa, I didn't even know that crime existed.

[A]

Another person who was at BravoCon was Wendy, who was recently arrested. What's your sense on where Bravo stands with her? I mean, it seems to be. I mean, she's at BravoCon, so it must have been still fairly, you know, in their good graces.

[D]

I think they just don't know what to do. I mean, I can't.

[B]

I was gonna say, is it like a innocent until proven guilty type of situation?

[D]

It's the rare person who Bravo will commit to saying. Like, with Teresa Giudice, they were like, we're gonna continue to follow her story. And they said that from the beginning. But, I mean, with Wendy, I know they were completely shocked. Like, that was so shocking. And it's so strange to watch this season of the Real Housewives of Potomac because she's so lovely.

[F]

She's amazing.

[D]

She's having a great season.

[A]

Great season.

[D]

Great season. Her best season. Her and Eddie, like, redoing their house. I'm like, save your pennies. You know? But I mean, it just seems like, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what's gonna happen, and I don't. That case just is so confusing to me. I don't understand how they got themselves into that situation. And innocent until proven guilty, of course, but, like, the allegations are so nuts, you know?

[B]

Well, speaking of, should we get into a little Potomac?

[D]

Let's do it.

[F]

Let's do it.

[B]

We have a rapid recap for those of you who missed the most recent episode of the Real Housewives of Potomac. Giselle is going electric. Not in the Bob Dylan way, more in the Greta Thunberg way way. Although it is easy to confuse the two. She's also going to try and be nicer to Stacy, which is good Because Stacy is getting sick and tired of the girls not supporting her cannabis line. Except for Wendy, because that's a conflict of interest, because she literally can't help but be successful. Tia revealed that growing up, she lived next door to Boy George, therefore rightfully replacing PK And James Kennedy as the Bravo star with the deepest ties to 80s British New Wave. She also wants to be nicer to Stacy. Ashley Darby is sick of playing video games with her boo thing, so she breaks up with him on camera. Giselle and Monique reconnect. They agree that they trash each other as long as they talk about it at stage. Stacy's weed launch. Timu is not there because he's traveling. Ashley wants Stacy to stop being a lying Stacy says she will when Ashley stops hazing her TBD on that. Tia pops off on Stacy in a very American fashion. So Stacy tells her, toodle doo. Be gone, and kicks her out of the event. Rip to that friendship. And that is what you.

[A]

I think toodle do was my favorite part.

[F]

Was awesome.

[A]

Why are they so mean to Stacy?

[D]

I love Stacey.

[F]

She's so hard. Yeah, she's the best.

[B]

She does lie.

[C]

She lies.

[E]

She does lie.

[D]

God forbid we can all love Stacey from afar. We don't have to deal with her being a liar. And I bet it's just shocking to watch. I mean, it's so confusing. I mean, she's an incredible find, and I'm so glad that she's on the show. Wendy is actually playing it perfectly because she knows Stacy's a liar, but she's just, like, I see her appeal. I bet the fans like her. And I'm not gonna be, what, like, Ashley and Giselle are doing, like, going after her, just.

[A]

And what's her biggest lie? I feel like, would it be fair to, like, if you were to defend Stacey, just be like, she's new. She kind of immersed herself in this group. They didn't. They didn't seem very welcoming from the beginning. And maybe she just kind of, you know, got caught up in, like, these. What she called, like, lies by omission or just kind of feeling like, maybe these women, you know, why do they need to know my business? And then kind of, like, felt the need to, you know, fib or just not be forthright with these women who weren't seen, who didn't seem to be all that inclusive or accepting of her. That's kind of how it comes across to me. But maybe I'm just like, I like Stacy.

[D]

Well, yeah, I like Stacy. I. I don't know what her biggest lie is. I don't think we do know. Yeah. It might be the cannabis line. That she fully had it going already when at the reunion, they were like, we've heard you have a cannabis line, too. And she was like, I don't know what you're talking about. Like, obviously, it was in the works.

[B]

You can't just tell.

[A]

Here's an example of, like, is that a lie, or is she just not ready to talk about her cannabis line?

[D]

Why would she name it a Nigerian workplace?

[F]

Because she, like, she loves the culture.

[D]

She does.

[B]

But isn't Wendy's Nigerian? Right.

[E]

Yes.

[B]

Yeah. It's like.

[D]

So Z.

Means, like, happy, whatever in Nigerian. It's the weirdest thing.

[B]

And then for her to be like, I'm the first black woman in the state of Virginia to own a cannabis line. And it's like. I mean, I guess Wendy's isn't the Maryland. I guess.

[D]

But, yeah, I bet he's in Maryland.

[A]

Yeah.

[D]

And she was very specific about that.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

Virginia.

[F]

Virginia. I feel like what's so great about Stacy is she does, truly. And why you can't get mad at her about anything she ever does is because she exists on a different plane of reality than most.

[D]

Absolutely.

[F]

And she is gorgeous and amazing and should stay there. The way she sells things on QVC is the way she walks through life, which is just her. Her pre. It's like, you can't.

[A]

I'm gonna tell you what you need to know.

[F]

She's not lying. Has she ever lied? That's my question. Or is she just selling?

[B]

No, we watched her. I mean, we. The thing about this show is everything's recorded. Like, we're watching her live.

[D]

I don't know.

[F]

I don't know if she's actually.

[B]

The Teemu's traveling, and then she's on the call being like, we're uncomfortable of going, no, he traveled back today. It's like, just what she needs to.

[F]

Take a Meredith Marks Law course. And then she'll be good.

[B]

Also having Wendy in the Happy Eddie pop up. And she's like, I don't know. My pen. I always use credit. It was like, stop talking.

[C]

Don't.

[A]

I only use my credit card. I do know my pin, my debit pin. But, yes, it does.

[C]

It.

[A]

It is feeling a little incriminating. Are you ever. I mean, maybe it's because I know how these shows are made a little bit. For example, like, Ashley breaking up with her boyfriend on camera. I'm always fascinated by, like, is this a real moment?

[C]

Did you.

[A]

Or did you get him to agree to do this? Like, are you really getting him to show up at what.

[B]

No. She's even gonna go on a date knowing good and well she is going to break up with him, and he will have no idea in the setting.

[D]

That really sold why she was breaking up with him, too. Like, they're playing.

[C]

They're playing a driving game.

[A]

Took you to Pittsburgh.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

She's like, we don't do any trips together. He's like, pittsburgh?

[D]

But didn't you get the sense that they'd broken up, like, 15 times before? And this is just like. I don't know if they're actually broken up like this. It seemed to me like it was a Tuesday, and therefore they had this conversation.

[A]

Yeah, maybe.

[D]

But then we might not see him again.

[A]

But that's her sisters calling him ugly.

[B]

But also, like, Ashley's previous husband was no, like, dime a dozen, you know?

[A]

So I'm just fascinated how, like, the acquaintances get roped into.

[D]

I know.

[A]

Doing some of this stuff.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Do you think he knew he was gonna get broken up?

[A]

That's what I wanted.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

I just wanted to be like, he.

[E]

Probably broke up before. And then he.

[F]

She was like, can I do this for the storyline? We can go to an arcade or something.

[A]

He's like, your friends don't even watch.

[D]

But the most embarrassing part was the Pittsburgh. Yes. Like, him. Him being broken up with was, like, the fifth most embarrassing thing that happened during that, when she was, like, grilling him about her expectations and how he hasn't met them. And that was the fact that she was just like, let's just call it.

[A]

And then they did a bachelor exit where he was like, can I walk you out?

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

But he's like, why do we need to travel together? She's like, to.

[E]

To have fun.

[D]

But also him saying, you don't know my finances. Like, it was just terrible. Why did she do that?

[B]

Yeah, it wasn't bad.

[D]

Embarrassing. I mean, by the way, I'm an Ashley defender, but, like, you know, and I know everyone is hating her this season, but, like, I think she's just been the way she is the whole time.

[A]

I'm a fan.

[F]

I enjoy her the moment she. She's so dramatic for nothing. And I really resonate with that.

[B]

Her walking into that. Stacy's party and being like, you copied me with that dress. Yeah, I. I just wore that dress. It's like, these women.

[D]

But also, they're like, no more lies. Like, no more evil, no more hazing. Like, that was like, I was like, I need to memorize. I had to put on the. Because I couldn't quite hear Stacy. Like, I knew that Ashley was just saying, no more lies. And so I had to put on the closed captioning to be like, what. What are all the things Stacy's saying?

[A]

And I feel like the house that has to become like a TikTok sound.

[D]

Oh, yeah, it does.

[F]

It should.

[D]

If.

[F]

If God is good. It will.

[A]

Maybe we should.

[F]

Let's do it.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[F]

We make our own destiny.

[B]

Well, we also have the women of Salt Lake City on another trip.

[G]

Trip.

[B]

They are not staying in Salt Lake City.

[D]

I'm scared. We're. This means that we're very close to the finale because I think it ends on a trip. I just think I heard the reunion.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which to your point, I was like, man, at the. The camping trip seems so long ago, and yet I feel like we just started the season.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

When they said three months ago, I was like, this hurts.

[A]

No, I know. I was like, oh, my God.

[F]

Time flies when you're having fun.

[D]

Absolutely.

[B]

But they are in Greece. And we have a rapid recap. Angie is planning on recreating Mamma Mia with the girls, taking them to Greece. Greece for an adventure. Lisa hopes after this trip, she'll never have to hear about Greece again. Heather wants to smoke a Greek cigarette, which is the exact same thing as an American cigarette. It just wants you to make sure you know it's Greek.

[D]

Like Angie herself.

[B]

Lisa was mad that Angie had a Cartier watch because it made her feel less special. So Heather and Whitney bought their own at duty free in the airport, Mary thinks, these are grandma watches and it's not a big deal. Heather is still mad at Big Mayor because of the plane incident. Mary makes the astute observation that people with square shaped faces are dingbats. Bronwyn pulls an UNA reverse on the girls and says, I never wanted an open marriage and there is no drama at my house. Ignore that. I took my wedding ring off. That has nothing to do with anything. Merida stands up for Bronwyn by saying, these girls suck and will keep asking you about it, by the way, but I would never do that because I support you. Meredith is so sweet like that. Lisa comes late to dinner because her glam runs long. Angie cannot believe glam is more important to her than taking in the Grecian ambiance. But alas, this girl needs her nose powdered. Mary tries to get Meredith and Heather to talk about their issues, so Meredith buys her an evil eye necklace as A peace offering. Meredith also, however, doesn't want to talk about their issues as a group, but they still do. Heather feels like Meredith is selective about what she is outraged for. Meredith then takes a very long pregnant pause to say, I don't agree with you. Lisa and Heather then actually have a genuine moment. And Whitney then brings it back to the plane. The big bad Meredith says, everyone at this table has done things probably much worse than bully someone on a plane. And then she leaves. She just gets up and leaves. Heather feels like she was reminded she's not important. They are really, really leaning into the plane still.

[D]

I'm leaning into the plane.

[B]

You are?

[D]

I am.

[A]

I found myself signing with Lisa this episode.

[F]

Me as well.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Which is not.

[F]

It's.

[D]

But did you not feel complete outrage when they showed them on the plane flying to Greece? Like, I was like, oh, camera's here.

[B]

Look at that. So we can film. What was that? Was that a private jet or the.

[G]

Seats turning around backwards?

[B]

Like, that was not a commercial flight. I've not one I've ever been on.

[D]

I think they might have just been in some, like, fancy class thing that goes to Europe.

[E]

Whatever they can film.

[A]

I'm surprised they didn't get any, like, signage out of it.

[F]

Well, you know, after the first plane ride that they didn't film, they're probably.

[C]

Not gonna make that.

[E]

Yeah, they're probably like, whatever it costs, whatever plane will let our crew film on it.

[G]

We'll do it.

[E]

We will do it.

[D]

So at BravoCon, I asked Heather, I said the plane episode had just aired the week before. And so I was like, this is our Watergate. What happened on the plane? Like, what? You know? And then I said, why didn't anyone whip out their phone record? Brittany felt free to record anything. Like, some. Some nothing last year. Why didn't she hit voice note?

And Heather, I mean, I almost want you guys to look at the story, but she did not deny that there's a recording of what happened on the plane.

[E]

Oh, maybe they're also scarred from the reaction to Britney recording our conversation. That they're like, I will not come forward with a recording.

[F]

And it was Meredith who got the most powerful.

[A]

There's a reunion.

[B]

Maybe it's like, we do have footage, but the reunion.

[D]

This was when I talked to her, it was way before the reunion, but she was just like, I don't know that there's not a recording of it. And I was like, is there a recording of it?

[B]

No.

I know that there.

[D]

Yeah, I know. And then she. I was like, can you just not talk about. And she was like, this is gonna play out for the entire rest of the season.

[G]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Okay.

[D]

So I knew it was coming. So like last night when Whitney said that, I was like, but by the way, wait, I'm completely obsessed with the plane. You know, like what I mean? And by the way, like, is there anyone who doesn't think that Meredith did exactly what they said and she just. And it would have gone away if she had just apologized.

[B]

It's because we had Lisa Barlow that day, getting in the car with John, eating Burger King, being like the craziest shit. Happened on the airplane. Garreth went batshit crazy. Yeah, like, we have that, we know that. That close. Her closest friend. So.

[A]

But it's just more like she's not going to talk about it on camera. That's the thing. It's like she's just kind of decided I'm not like Meredith Marks, the lawyer. I'm just not going to admit to this on camera.

[D]

When they were grilling her about crazy.

[B]

Rich age, I don't know the ending of it.

[A]

What did she say?

[F]

I fell asleep. I don't remember how.

[A]

No, but last night after like Heather kind of, once again, kind of relitigated the.

[F]

Oh, she just went. But I don't agree with you.

[D]

Yeah, yeah.

[F]

I don't agree with you.

[C]

So powerful, so calm.

[F]

So calm. So powerful. People are saying that Meredith needs to be benched after the season. Are you kidding me?

[D]

Are you kidding, kidding me? Are you kidding me? This cast is perfect.

[C]

It's perfect.

[E]

Nobody should be benched. Nobody should be added. This is it.

[B]

Why was Britney the only one off of that two day long travel day? Everyone's in sweats, no makeup, Brittany dress.

[A]

She's the only one who knows how to dress for vacation.

[B]

I was like, did she change? Did she not get the memo of like, hey, this is a two day long travel day, get cozy or like, what? How was she the only one in like hair and makeup, dress, heels?

[F]

Well, she filmed. She loves to film a TikTok in an airport. So she has to.

[B]

She's always working. It's true.

[F]

Did anyone else get like chills when they saw Heather gay in a yellow dress on a beach? Or was that just me remembering the season before?

[D]

I thought she chose that completely, deliberately, Completely. You know, like, whatever you can do to remind the people.

[B]

What do you think of Lisa's glam.

[E]

And then wearing sunglasses.

[B]

And then wearing sunglasses.

[D]

Yeah. But I feel after we saw the nervous breakdown that Lisa had in Palm Springs about the glam. I feel sad like I feel. And I don't know why they're surprised at this point, you know, and everything Angie said is valid, but it's like, this is what she needs. This is how she lives her life.

[B]

Also, like, we saw her at that table after the two day travel day when they're all eating, talking about the Cartier watch. She's not wearing any makeup. She looks just like the rest of us. It's not like some deep ogre under there.

[E]

I do think that everyone was picking on Lisa a little too much this episode. I feel like Heather didn't need to instigate the whole Cartier watch. Like, she wasn't. She was minding her own business.

[B]

She kept poking though with, like, the Prada shoes. Guess I'll get those next. They kept.

[E]

And then they kept it going into the next dinner. And then it was all about her glam. And it's like, just let the girl get glam.

[F]

I think the thing with what's really nice, though, about what's happening with, like, the kind of feuds that Lisa is in right now is like, they're fun and light and it doesn't like her and Angie feuding. Like, Lisa is actually, like, taking it for once. Like, she's kind of into the. I think she's like, figuring out how to be playful in an argument.

[E]

Well, she had something to say to the five BMWs.

[F]

Exactly. It's just like the whole, like, horse.

[B]

Sorry, I have the first color in the state.

[E]

Yeah, well, I have five of them.

[D]

Well, I have five of them.

[F]

It's just like, yeah, keep going.

[C]

I'm on my fourth.

[A]

I want to defend Lisa here. I don't do it very often. Rarely, if ever. But I was thinking about the glam, and then I was thinking, wait, like, you know, they make so much. They made such a big deal about, like, she can't go on these trips without glamorous, which on its. Which on the surface to like, the people watching and us. It does feel insane. Like you have to bring a whole glam team on vacation. But Lisa's not thinking of it that way. She's like, no, I'm bringing my glam team to do my show. You know, like an actor would bring their glam team to be in the set of a movie. It's like, no different for Lisa.

[B]

Well, I think clearly these women are frustrated that it's becoming an inconvenience to them. You know, she's missing out on things. She's, you Know, she's. She's two hours late.

[D]

Two to three hours late to bring up to throw in her face something.

[E]

That they can all talking about their cosmetic procedures. Like, Angie opened the show talking about the eye thing that she did. And then Heather was like, I'm pro everything beauty lab.

[D]

She's like, everyone has that Bustle story.

[A]

But, you know, why can't Lisa just do the glam thing?

[B]

Wait, what Bustle story?

[D]

Oh, my friend Louie Staples.

[G]

Wait, this was iconic.

[D]

Shout out to Louis Bustle is trying to do. I think. I think it's one in a series. People being transparent about the work they've had done. And he interviewed Heather and she said, I think $200,000.

[G]

It was definitely enumerating every single thing.

[D]

Especially cause she owns a beauty. Whatever. That's a lot. But she detailed everything and said that she recommends it for everyone.

[F]

But.

[D]

But the other thing about Lisa is, as she said in this episode, she gets that glam done every day.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

At her house.

[A]

How much do you think she spends?

[D]

It's.

[E]

I mean, I'm actually surprised.

[F]

She has more money than everyone, so.

[E]

I'm actually surprised Bravo isn't like, supplying some sort of, like, it's kind of.

[F]

Part of the ecosystem, though, of like.

[A]

That they have to pay for.

[F]

It's part of, like, what makes it's.

[B]

And.

[F]

And if you think about how, like, I don't know, I started watching Desperate Housewives kind of recently, and if you think about the way that, like, Desperate Housewives is kind of what inspired the Real Housewives franchise, it's like, there does need to be, like, you have to, like, want it. There has to be like, this desperation in it to like, make you perform at that level, which is like, what Salt Lake. And Salt Lake's like, you know, it's like mash Salt Lake, Mad Men of like, best shows ever created on television. And it's that desperation that Lisa Barlow has to need to get glam every single day that makes her show up and do the goddamn work.

[D]

What these women can do, though, that very few cast can do, is they can have the most vicious fights and then wake up the next morning and be like, hey.

[B]

Which is.

[D]

Luckily I would be flattened by any.

[B]

Tiny thing they get up from dinner. But it's such a breath of fresh air, though, to not have a fight. Something so small lasts the entire season. Obviously, we're watching. They know what their job go on. But we have so many other mixed in that it's so. I feel like in Beverly Hills, it's Like, the same small thing, seven episodes, and it's like, you gotta.

[E]

You gotta get unmatched. This show is.

[A]

Before we wrap in Salt Lake City, I thought the women made some very valid points towards Brawn.

[B]

Oh, yeah, that was crazy.

[D]

That was very strange.

[A]

And it's like, I love her, but.

[D]

That was so weird.

[A]

I love. I love Brahwen.

[D]

Yeah, love.

[A]

And I've said this the past couple episodes talking about it, but I'm just a little confused. It's just like. Like, is Todd off limits? Is he not off limits? Do you want to, like, use your marriage as a storyline or not? Like, don't take your wedding ring off on camera if you don't want it to be a storyline. Totally get it. Respect it, even. But it's like, it's a little bit of. Which one is it?

[B]

Yeah, it was weird how last episode, it was like, you're not wearing your ring. And she's like, yeah, I took it off. This is what's going on. And then now, this episode, it's like, you're not. She's like, I'm not wearing my ring now. I wear different jewelry all the time. I don't wear my ring a lot of the time. So it's like, okay, okay. So did you take it off purposefully or were you just, like, not wearing it?

[D]

Like.

[A]

And when asked about being in an open relationship, why are you coming? Why are you saying, like, he's happy? It's fine. Like, kind.

[G]

She's.

[A]

Is she deliberately kind of acting like she wants to be in an open relationship? It's hard to talk about.

[D]

Well, that conversation between her and Whitney, I'm sure you guys have talked about, but that was, like, one of the most interesting things I've ever seen on tv. Like, in terms of reality, like. Like, I've never seen two married people have that kind of conversation. And I don't understand. I mean, I love her, and I think that she's a great housewife, and I'm rooting for her in whatever she wants to do, whether that's stay with Todd or not be with Todd, especially since they don't have a prenup, as Heather kept bringing up last season. But does she not remember what she filmed? Like, I don't really get it. Like, I. How like. Like, does she go into kind of panic mode and try to bring it back once she and Todd are getting along together? Like, it makes me worried for her.

[A]

Well, that's. My theory has been that Brawen came in, got asked to be a housewife, and it was like, this is something fun. I have some time. I have some free time. We're rich, whatever. Like, let's do it. Todd was like, if you really want to, sure. I support you. And she didn't need it. She was. This was something fun to do. And then got immersed into this world. Acknowledge that she very much cares what people think. And she's just kind of sucked into this world. And she's kind of. Season one, she was being. She was just kind of filming, and now she's reading. She's reading the clip, she's responding to fans, she's receiving notes from the audience, and she's just not sure what she wants to do. And it's like, someday she really wants to be a housewife and give the people what they want. And then other day, she's like, I got my family to protect, and these are my boundaries. And it kind of, it's, it's like she needs it now. It's like she, she likes the feeling of being a housewife, and she's, you know, she's getting caught up in it.

[B]

In Bronwyn's defense, Heather being like, are you happy? Yeah. Are you sure you're happy?

[A]

It's a very low excuse.

[B]

There's like, no, but there's no, like.

[A]

Hard not to be.

[B]

Way to answer that without, you know, she's like, I'm super happy.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm super in love. I'm super.

Great.

[D]

Yeah. That's such a trick question.

[F]

It did kind of remind me of that euphoria thing where, where it's city, sweetie. And being like, I've never been happier.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Let's talk a little bit about fandom. I'm new to. I'm, I'm. Natalie's just like, I don't even know if I care.

[D]

I don't think everyone knows if they care yet. I like it.

[B]

You do?

[D]

It's just a. It's a. It's. I, I, I have been letting go of everything. And obviously season 11 of Vanderpump Rules was not a pleasant watch.

And I'm just, I mean, I don't know. I'm just trying to think this is an entirely new show. I like some of them and think it has potential, but I'm also just like. I mean, just the way I watch Southern hospitality, you know?

[B]

Like, totally.

[A]

No. What I don't know. And what I hope, and I mentioned this last episode, is that I hope this cast actually has talent and the things they want to pursue, because I think when Vanderpump originally started. You know, it's about these kids who want to chase the Hollywood dream at a time where if you became a reality TV star, you kind of cemented yourself as a reality TV star. And even though you were like on a show talking about trying to make it in Hollywood, you were almost kind of like ruining your chances by going on the show. But Fast forward to 2025. Creators, influencers, reality TV stars are able to cross over a little bit more, are getting opportunities, actually have more influencing variety. You guys were the first to like acknowledge, like how reality TV stars, the 40 most powerful women in reality TV that they. These aren't just like, these aren't people we're here to just make fun of because we watch the show. Like, these are really real celebrities. So I almost want to see this cast have a chance at doing something. And I hope they actually have some talents that, you know, where they were really fight over someone getting a real opportunity versus others not. And I think that could be really interesting.

[D]

Yeah. I mean, one thing that I've noticed, and I don't know what you guys think about this, but like, the people who've actually worked at SUR for a couple of years, to me are the more interesting, compelling people as opposed to the people who seem to have been cast, like the two. The cousins. Like, I don't know if I care about.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

Again, this is two episodes in. I have no idea what I'm gonna think about these people in a month. But, you know, I feel like the people who've worked at CER since. I mean, why do they keep doing the Polaroids with the dates on them? 2023, 2024. That was interesting a year or two ago. Why?

[B]

What is this?

[D]

Is this supposed to be ancient Polaroids? It's just strange to show these long lasting relationships. 2024, they've been together for eight months.

[B]

They've been. Yeah, so, yeah, it's been a year.

[D]

But I don't know. And I talked to Alex Baskin, who's the executive producer of Vanderpump Rules and Real House of Orange county in Beverly Hills. He's someone I talk to frequently and I feel like he is just like. It's really good and it takes a minute to gel, of course, but he's.

[A]

Really happy with it.

[D]

Yeah, he's happy with it.

And I think it's interesting. Cause it's interesting to see Lisa Vanderpump be on it so much. Because obviously in the later years of Vanderpump Rules, they were so far away from her and the restaurant. But it's just also interesting watching the evolution, generationally, of how much these people give a fuck what Lisa Vanderpump has to say to them. You know, I mean.

Like, they were worshiping at her feet, except for Dodie. But, you know, I mean, I think that these people are taking Lisa, like, less seriously. And I don't know. It's interesting. I'm curious what people, and I'm curious what the ratings are. I haven't looked at them.

[F]

It is kind of interesting with, like, the whole Lisa thing, because I feel watching this, watching the first. The beginning of the original Vanderpump cast, there is an authenticity to the way Lisa's interacting with everyone there, regardless if that was real or not, or at least as a viewer, you kind of buy into it. But now, because it's like, we've seen this, we understand how the show works. We've seen her almost fire James Kennedy and Jax Taylor 80 times and not do it. And so to watch her kind of manage this staff feels a lot more performative now, too.

[A]

Yeah, we're episode two and we're having a fake firing.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

Well, it's also interesting acknowledging how hard.

The Los Angeles restaurant world is under such pressure. You know, huge restaurants that have been open for decades are closing left and right. And for her to say, like, you know, Sur is not doing as well as it used to, like, that's, like, real.

[B]

You know, we drove past Sur yesterday, taking river to the Pediatrician and at like. And Pump. And Pump is still. I'm surprised that Pump is still closed. I thought, what is it, the nightclub? Right. Where the gay bar.

[G]

Yeah, but Pump moved over to where Tom Toms was.

[A]

Where's Tom Toms?

[D]

So Tom Tom there.

[E]

I mean, they're all in West Tom.

[D]

Tom, I think actually might well, is fine.

[G]

Tom Tom's and Pump are the same thing now. It's the same building. So I think it's a matter of. They're discussing whether it's taking over Tom Tom's.

[B]

So they're just not taking down the Pump signage.

[D]

They're, I guess, keeping the Pump signage to Tom Tom.

[G]

Yeah. Yeah, the original. So the original location no longer has any signage of Pump. Like, it was further down the street.

[B]

Oh.

[D]

So I feel like Schwartz said something about how he had no say over that or some of them.

[G]

I think so, too.

[D]

Said that. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, I don't know. We'll see.

[B]

How do you feel about Lala and Schwartz being on the Valley this upcoming season?

[D]

I Don't know. Let's see. I mean, that show just needs to lighten up, you know, I mean, I thought it was, like, fascinating and how dark it was. Was so compelling to me. But I totally understood why people were saying, you know, I can't watch it. Like, this is upsetting me. And I was like, this is just a fascinating. This is the darkest drama on tv, you know?

[A]

Is this a question for Alex? Because obviously with Vanderpump in the Valley, he's involved with. And Bravo's had a lot of this criticism centered around the men they cast.

[D]

Yeah, but, like.

[A]

Yeah, like, why? Like, I get it. Cast the douchebags. It's compelling, it's fun, it's messy. But why not try to find, like, one of the. Like, the relationship guy, the good guy, the guy who, like, can stand up to some of the other.

[E]

They still figured out a way to.

[A]

Yeah, but. Yeah, but they trashed Danny. You know, it's just like, why don't they shed more of a. Like, get a little more of comparison and. And showcase Luke?

[B]

True, but they don't really showcase him.

[F]

Yeah, that's true.

[E]

Because he's not.

[F]

He's not that interesting to watch, I guess. Love you. I love you, Luke. You seem, like, so nice.

[A]

It would be. I think it would be interesting seeing a guy like, it's like, why does it always have to be the women who are calling out the men? Like, why can't it be like, a guy who is like, that's not how you do it. Why are you throw. Throwing water on her? You know, like, why he's trying to drink on her face? You know, like, why? I don't know. I think it would be kind of nice to see.

[B]

I can't imagine if we'll get a drink. Throw on women. This season of Vanderpump rules. I feel like, who's different? Yeah.

[E]

You know, at this point, you also. They. They gotta. They've all seen the show, right? Like, they had to have all seen it, and they saw the backlash. I feel like they learn their lessons and they take their notes of, like, what they. What is good TV versus what's like, gonn them for the rest of their life?

[B]

Be interesting question for Natalie of. Did you do your homework of, like, watching.

[E]

Yeah, I would have.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

I feel like you do that, though, until you kind of get lost in the sauce. Because I feel like everyone on reality tv, at a certain point, like, it. Your brain warps and it becomes. You can't perform anymore because you become the performance.

[A]

Well, you think you're, you're, you're like you're filming a TV show and it just takes one producer to be like, come on. It's just like, it's. Everyone knows it's a TV show. Like, let's just have some fun. Like, ah, it. Let's. All right. You know, and then.

[E]

Right. Like, do you think the producers specifically put. I forget her name. But the one who was birthday was. And she was Audrey.

[F]

They were like, do the lap dance.

[B]

Right there next to her.

[E]

Crying for right here. And then you cry to Natalie right here.

[A]

Like, I don't know if they tell him to cry, but they are definitely creating scenes.

[E]

Yeah, but the placement of it, it was like, hey, this will be perfect.

[A]

Well, we'll see how it goes. You know, I'm intrigued. Kate, it's always a pleasure.

[D]

Thank you for having me.

[A]

Thanks for coming. Where can everyone follow your work?

[D]

Just at Variety. Okay.

[B]

Just at Variety.

[D]

You know, I'm on all the social media. Is my name unfortunately spelled K A T E A U R T H U R? Unusual.

[A]

But yeah, it's always fun to have you. We appreciate you coming on. Come back soon.

[D]

Will do.

[A]

Our favorite part of the holidays is spending time with our family. From baking cookies, decorating the house, and walking around the neighborhood, everyone seems to be the holiday spirit. And there's nothing that gets us in the spirit more than a Starbucks holiday beverage.

[B]

Now that we have River, I'm really trying to create memories and traditions that she will carry on throughout her life. And something that I'm really loving doing. We did it last year and obviously we're going to do it again this year, but it's going to Starbucks, getting a holiday drink and then driving through the neighborhoods and like looking at all the Christmas lights on all the houses and seeing all the houses decorated and like the blowups in everyone's front yard and. And like sipping on our warm, hot.

[A]

I look forward to that holiday drink.

[F]

Also.

[A]

Back in my sales days when I worked from home, I'd always go to a Starbucks and work. Cause I wanted to get out of the house. And definitely during the holiday season I get my peppermint mocha and you just kind of see people coming in like different. You kind of feel the holiday energy with people coming in during Christmas time. It was always really enjoyable. I really had to get out of the house when I was stuck at home working.

[B]

Well, the Peppermint Mocha is a Starbucks signature espresso combined with steam milk mocha sauce and peppermint flavored Syrup is topped with whipped cream and dark chocolate curls. What more could you ask for?

[E]

Delicious.

[A]

It's honestly how I learned to drink coffee. This was my first Starbucks peppermint mocha.

[F]

Yeah, we used to, when I worked there, we would put ristretto shots in it and we would like, mod it a bit.

[A]

Well, it was a white chocolate mocha. And then during the holiday season, I transferred over to the peppermint.

[E]

There's no better feeling than when the cups turn red at Starbucks.

[F]

I know.

[B]

That is so true. Another favorite of mine is the caramel brulee latte. That one is so good.

[E]

Yeah, that's my favorite.

[B]

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[A]

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[C]

Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much.

[B]

So excited to have you.

[A]

How's this whole experience been for you?

[C]

It's been great. It's crazy because, you know, normally when you work somewhere for a few years, it doesn't change so drastically like it has for me. It's not something I saw coming.

[A]

So you're one of the cast members from the new iteration of Vanderpump that worked at SIR as like just.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

A normal waiter, waitress, Employee of SIR yes. And then that turned into this opportunity. Now being a cast member of Vanderpump.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

So there in 2023, I guess there was no. There was no talk of new.

[C]

They were still filming season 11 when I first started, season 10 was airing and. Yeah. And then I want to say that summer they started filming season 11, and I would just be Working.

[E]

When you started working at sir did any part of you hope that this would happen or think that this could.

[A]

Happen, or was it just like another. I just need a job.

[C]

And yeah, I mean, okay, so I'm not from la, so I feel like so many people that don't live here just know what SIR is because of, like pop culture. So when I moved here and I needed to get a job quickly, it was like one of the first places on my list because I just knew what it was, so.

[A]

And also like the Olive Garden.

[C]

Well, I'm a real Italian, so I don't know about working at the Olive Garden.

[F]

Olive Garden.

[C]

I mean, I'm not going to hate.

[A]

On is all I'm saying. You know, they have unlimited bread, soup and breadstick.

[C]

Amazing comparison.

[E]

Definitely the same.

[C]

But I do think also, you know, Lisa Vanderpump is just so iconic. And my initial goal was to just work for her and get to know her and just be connected to her.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

Because she is like one of the best restaurateurs ever. And I fell in love with bartending in college. It was how I paid my bills. You know, I would like work until four in the morning and dive bars and then wake up for class at 7. But I loved it.

[B]

And so did you interview with Lisa or is that like to.

[C]

No, some people do and some people will talk about or I think you'll maybe even see some interviews on this season. But she's like always all over the place. So she's at SUR as much as possible. Guillermo is there there every single day. So he was the first one that I met. I went to SIR and like workout clothes to see if I really liked it in person or if it was going to be like, you know, what I thought it would be or what it looked like. I was like, let me just go see for myself. Met Guillermo and was just like explaining to him I had just moved here and I'm a bartender. And like, I actually came here to see if this was a place that I would want to work. And he was like, we would love to have a female bartender. It's been a little bit since we've had one. We love having girls behind the bar. Cause it was just all men. And let's set up an interview, you know. And I had a few interviews and then I started kind of as simple as that.

[E]

Had you seen Vanderpump Rules?

[C]

I had. Because working in restaurants is so insane. And when I first started, I remember my first night working not even in a restaurant, but in an event venue. I was walking into like its own group and I was like, wow, isn't there like a show about this? This is crazy. And that was kind of where my awareness of it started. Like this makes sense that there's a show about like this premise because it really is like its own kind of ball game. And you know, through bartending and through also getting older, I feel like girls all have their like, you know, dabbling into reality TV moment. And I loved Housewives and, and this was a spinoff of Housewives of Beverly Hills. So I did, I did watch it. Yeah.

[B]

What has or what was the pressure like while filming the show to kind of uphold the legacy of what the previous cast left?

[C]

Yeah, this might be a really terrible answer, but I felt like there was non existent pressure to be anything like them. And I think like our group is, is different. And of course there's the same, like there's a toxic couple or there's like a bitchy manager or there's like someone who's just so, so sweet. All those like archetypes aren't just Vanderpump rules. They're so universal. But because people love Vanderpump rules so much and those people are so beloved, of course we're getting compared, but I think that'll go away maybe after some time and people get used to it if they're open minded. I don't know. I mean, I think you have to be open minded if you're going to watch this reboot.

[A]

You know, different cast members that you got. Have you gotten to know any of the OGs?

[C]

Some, yeah. I mean, we've seen a lot of Tom Schwartz because he's just. Him and Lisa are so close and he's around and we do go to Tom Tom's there.

[E]

Are we gonna see him on the show?

[C]

You might.

[E]

Okay.

[C]

We go to Tom Tom a lot.

[E]

Okay.

[C]

They treat us well, you know, and we're not like able to go to Craig's all the time or something. Like we have to, you know, think about where we're going.

[F]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

And it's just convenient and it's nice. We all know that those bartenders were all friends.

[B]

So have any of the previous cast reached out in support or advice or.

[C]

Kristen has reached out. Sheena has been super supportive. I just did Lala's podcast and she was so supportive. So that was amazing. I'm trying to think if there's anyone else. I mean, I've seen like Sandoval in the restaurant over the years and I think I don't know his feelings about it. We never discussed it. I've just seen him. Him seeing. Like, I've worked to see you next Tuesdays. So, like, met James. I think I've met everyone, actually, except for. I don't think I've met Kristen in person and I've. I haven't met Stassi in person, but everyone else I have met before.

[D]

Okay.

[A]

Wow.

[E]

Did you watch the show back a little bit once you got cast on this?

[C]

No. I think it was so important. I also, like, had a really crazy year, so I couldn't really think about, like, oh, like, how do I do this? I think I was going through, like, my own stuff and I was like, I need to try to get it together the best I can. But also be authentic because Lisa gives us advice all the time and I do go to her for advice and one of my favorite pieces of advice from her is like, don't cover up things that you have going on because sometimes it's the most relatable stuff. Stuff like don't be perfect. So I think. I think I was just really, like, I don't want to look insane, but I want to, like, be honest.

[B]

So you kind of leaned into what.

[C]

You were going through 100%. And I was like, I'm not going to sign up to do this and not. I don't want to have any regrets, you know, like, I've. I've lived life. We're all human. Like, it's not a good feeling. And so, you know, something that's kind of like a big accomplishment, you know, career wise for me. I didn't want to regret it. So, yeah, leaning in is like the perfect way to put it. And I just did my day by.

[B]

Day, you know, has it been fun watching it back?

[C]

So I've seen two episodes.

[E]

Oh.

[C]

And so, I mean, I have. There's so much more to see. And I feel like for me, the beginning was like the worst for me. Obviously, I'm coming out of my suspension. And it's so funny. I remember being like, well, you know, I. I lost it there. Thank God we haven't started yet. And then I learned.

[A]

So that was a real suspension.

[C]

Yeah, it was a real suspension.

[F]

So it was. It was.

[C]

Because nothing is fake.

[F]

Correct me if I'm wrong. It was your. You ran into your ex boyfriend at Sur.

[C]

Yeah. Let's get into the nitty gritty. So we are all in Sur all the time. We were all there last night. Like, even when we're not working we're, like, often there, so especially when family comes into town. Like, we all know each other's family, like, very well, so just wanted to bring in the famous and, you know, catch up. But my ex and I were just not on great terms at the time. And when he was so kind to my family that day, it really hurt because I'm like, we have not spoken in so long, and I. I can't pretend. As you can see, I don't really hold things in well. So I was like, this is crazy. You're gonna sit here and be so nice to my family, and I don't get the time of day from you. Yeah, that pisses me.

[G]

Me off.

[C]

So I lost my mind. I said, well, maybe. Maybe if you're gonna be so nice today, maybe you'll unblock me. What do you think?

[B]

And did he.

[G]

No.

[E]

You did this in front of your family?

[C]

Oh, yeah. I do everything in front of my family.

[E]

Like, how do they feel about all of this?

[C]

I think my. Oh, so supportive. My. My stepdad raised me since I was three and, you know, was so supportive of me wanting to pursue acting, singing, whatever. He's always been my biggest supporter, so doing this, he's like, yeah, whatever makes you happy. Like, go for it.

[A]

Is that your big dream to be an actor slash, singer?

[E]

Of course.

[C]

I mean, I grew up in theater. I got a degree in acting. It's kind of been my whole life. Like, all of my friends actually live in New York City. I'm the only one that came to la. They're all pursuing theater.

[A]

Were you doing. Were you getting auditions or getting work prior to being on Vanderpump?

[C]

I mean, the actors strike made that very hard. And that is why I really leaned into the singing, because it was so difficult. I was in acting class. I was submitting to stuff every single day, and it was just so, so hard.

[A]

Are you hoping that being on this show will open up some doors for you, or are you worried more the opposite, that this will pigeon you Pigeonhole you?

[F]

Great question.

[C]

I think 10 years ago it would have had a negative effect, but it seems like today to just be someone that people know of and, like, is beneficial.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. In every way.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

Like, the parasocial aspect, I think, of, like, creating an audience and, like, letting them get to know you.

[C]

Yeah.

[F]

Works really well with, like.

[C]

And also, like, I'm just. Just a very open person in general, so it seemed like this is something that makes sense for me because I have nothing to hide. Yeah.

[A]

Let's talk about you. And Marcus being brother and sister. Yeah.

[C]

I cannot believe that this is like so, so much like of a thing.

[A]

I mean, where do you stand? Do you, do you. So are you guys that close? Like, what?

[C]

It's never that we were that close. Like, we just, we. When we all work together, I'm at the bar and I like get to see everyone come get their drinks and we have little conversations. They're waiting for their drinks and like Marcus and I have the same, like, sense of humor. Same kind of like we're both really loud. We're both really ourselves.

[A]

So you have good chemistry.

[C]

No. Platonically. Sure.

[A]

What's the difference?

[C]

Because I don't like, look at him and like, get the tingles. Such a gross word. Like you have to be like, attracted. Right? There has to be a level of attraction. I mean, I'm, I think he's a fine looking boy.

[B]

Boy.

[A]

Do you think he thinks you're ugly?

[C]

I think he thinks I'm a fine looking girl. I don't think we even have ever considered it. He's trying to set me up with his friend. Even last night he's like.

[D]

Do you think.

[A]

Do you least empathize with Kimberly's point of view?

[C]

No.

[A]

Why?

[C]

Because I literally have had so many moments with her one on one, it like almost came out of nowhere. All of a sudden we're filming a show and now, now you're worried? There was a night before filming.

[A]

She thinks she's being disant. Ingenuous.

[E]

A little.

[C]

I think. I, you know, I think they, they doing this show, their problems really changed into bigger problems.

[E]

Interesting.

[C]

More of a complex dynamic. It's one thing being a couple with problems. And then it's one thing being a couple with problems that's interviewing for a TV show for months.

[A]

That's fair. But I guess I'm just. Do you think like, you can be like if you had a boyfriend, do you. Are you single? You. What's your single. You're single. So if, but if you had a boyfriend, and let's say she should know.

[C]

My character after working with me for two years.

[A]

But if she. But if your boyfriend had some good like work chemistry with.

[C]

I think work chemistry is a crazy chemistry thing to say. No, it's so not chemistry. It's friendship. And I, I lit. Him and Demi are like the best of friends because they have one year on me. He worked at SIR one year longer. It's totally fine. They can go to lunch together, they can hang out alone together after work. But if I have a Good conversation with him. Him at the drink station. God forbid I'm inappropriate.

[A]

Well, I mean, I get like one conversation, but, like, if we work together.

[C]

Like, most days of the week.

[E]

Can you clarify the good morning text?

[C]

I wouldn't love to. Yeah, I would even love to get my phone. So actually I was seeing someone. And this is the crazy thing. I was seeing someone. I. I rebounded pretty quickly and everyone knew I was really excited about this guy that I was seeing. And I ended up seeing him for like seven. He just didn't want to be on the show, which is fine. It was new. And I think, like, I asked him, like, would you want to? They were like, would. Would he film a date with you? Like, going out for drinks? And it was really new at the time. It was only like a few months in, so I. I respected it. Yeah, they knew how into this guy I was. And he would come in some days during like, my shifts. So he got to know some of my coworkers. And Marcus would like, give me advice, like, don't text him. Like, he was always telling me, like, play hard to get. But I liked him so much. I was always like, I want to hang out, out. Or like, he's coming to sir. I'm so excited. And I think I had gone to Verve with him once I got cut from my shift. And he literally texted me and asked me about it. And I said, good morning. I'm freaking out because it was like, so cute. I. Where's my phone? Literally, you wanna.

[E]

So it was a good morning text.

[A]

About, did you text him?

[C]

What do you mean? In that instance, he texted me asking how the coffee went. I was in a relationship and they knew my ex boyfriend, who I can name. Cause he's on the show.

[D]

They.

[C]

They knew, pal. Although, you know, they knew our relationship. They knew how heartbroken I was that it wasn't working out. They knew I was seeing someone else. Like, I. Literally all it comes down to is him and I just get along as coworkers. We've never hung out outside of work. I've never attempted that. Literally nothing.

[B]

Okay, who is your least favorite coworker?

[C]

Oh, I think it changes every week.

[D]

Week.

[F]

Okay.

[C]

So sometimes if I'm bartending next to someone that is in my way or like, taking my shaker, or like doing little things that annoy me, that pisses me off, or like, you know, I'm a. I'm a very, like, OCD bartender. So, like, when people are lazy, I don't like that. Or then there's personal Issues. And sometimes I come into work, like, I can barely breathe. I'm so anxious. So if I'm having an issue like that, it's that person. I mean, it's really a revolving door of who's my least favorite person today. And I think everyone would say that.

[B]

And everyone has kind of been through that.

[C]

Everyone has been through.

[F]

Literally.

[C]

I mean, I. The nights that I'm not at work, I usually get a call, like, of what happened that night.

[E]

Oh, wow.

[C]

Is there anything that's a lot to keep up with.

[E]

Is there anything that is coming up that you remember filming that you're nervous to see how it plays out on the show?

[C]

Yeah, there probably should be.

[E]

Or do you just kind of forget it all?

[C]

I mean, I think I was, like, preparing my family to see me, like, get a spray tan. Some. Some are like, do your thing, and the other half are like, we are mortified. Whatever. Yeah. I'm 27 and live your life, girl. I'm going to live my best life. Yeah, I. I don't. I mean, also, like, I'm a broken record. I grew up in theater, and, like, we were very comfortable changing in front of each other. I went to a sleepaway camp where there weren't, like, boys and girls dressing rooms.

[D]

Time.

[C]

So you were just changing. Like, it was very, like, normalized.

[B]

So is there anything that you are excited for them to air?

[C]

You know, they're. I'm excited for everything because I think, like, we have a. We have a work trip that we do and.

We all go together and, like, we are really there to work. But also, like, obviously we're all, like, under the same roof, which, like, overnight has never happened. And we had, like, a pool and a hot tub and we were, like, cooking meals together. And it was so funny because driving there, we had two, like, SUVs, and it was. We knew who was going to be in what car that morning. Like, it was very divided, and we had a lunch and it was pretty awkward. And then as soon as we, like, got to the house and we were, like, cooking together and hanging out and in the pool, like, the drama kind of, like, subsided for a couple days. It was like we were in this, like, fantasy world outside of West Hollywood. And I think we all, all, like, felt like, okay, we might be able to get through all this stuff that's going on right now, because I think it just felt like a lot of love.

[A]

Any drinks thrown at anyone?

[C]

No, no, actually, wait. I lied. Yes, but by accident.

[E]

But I'm sure that turned into something we Were.

[C]

I mean, it was honestly like. It was like the funniest thing because it was really a joke. Like, we were on a bus and something spills.

[A]

Will we see you or any of your cast members get, like, auditions or get to see you guys pursue your dreams?

[C]

Outside of SIR 100%, a lot of us are pursuing, like, careers in entertainment. So, yeah, a lot of auditions. I didn't have any, but I've heard other people did. I did go to the recording studio one day and I. I was like, we were there for hours. And I'm like, you guys had to use, like a warm up run. That was horrible. But it's all jokes. You gotta laugh.

[A]

I forget his name.

[C]

Describe them.

[A]

Italian. Also Italian.

[C]

Chris?

[A]

Yeah. What did you think of him on Perfect Match?

[C]

I didn't watch him on Perfect Match.

[A]

How did you. Did you feel any sort of way about, like, for example, you being like, I, I'm here because I'm an employee at school.

[C]

Okay, I'm not gonna be fake with you. Of course we were like, what are these guys? What are these boys trying to do here?

[F]

Here?

[C]

We were all very skeptical, probably for like a week. And then honestly, they were just so cool and, like, they really fit in well. They both kind of end up having, like, some love interest in the group, and they just meshed really well. I was completely shocked. I think Chris asked us all our names so many times when he first met us. He was like, wait, what's your name again? Like five times in one hour. So I was like, right, really?

[F]

Again?

[A]

Do you have any love interests with any of your cast members?

[C]

I do.

Nothing serious.

[A]

Spoiler alert. Guess it doesn't work out. Not.

[C]

Not necessarily true. Well, what? We filmed this how long ago? Not even a year ago. So if I got married that fast, I would need to talk to my.

[B]

Therapist, schedule a session.

[E]

What would be your dream acting role?

[C]

I love that question. I think it's amazing the way that movie musicals are such, like, a thing right now. And there's so many shows that like Broadway shows, theater shows, plays that people don't know about that I think would be amazing on screen. Like, we all knew one day Wicked was gonna be a movie. But, like, I mean, they really did that. But there are ones that aren't so, like, extravagant that would just be, like, amazing. So I would love to see some of the shows that, like, I did as a K or loved as a kid become films.

[E]

Like what? Like what?

[C]

Oh, my God. There's one called Next to Normal. That's probably you know?

[E]

Yeah, I went.

[C]

What's that?

[E]

I went to theater school as well.

[G]

Where?

[F]

Usc.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. We probably have mutual friends.

[E]

Did you go to usc?

[C]

No, I went to Penn State. But, like, you know, when you. When you're auditioning for theater schools, it's like, kind of whichever ones you get into, if you get into more than one, you know?

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

And everyone kind of knows everyone in theater.

[E]

Yeah, we probably. Probably do. I think you're much younger than me, but you say you're 27.

[C]

27.

[A]

Can you sing?

[E]

Okay.

[A]

What can you sing?

[F]

I. Leia's really good at.

[C]

Yes, everyone can sing.

[F]

She can sing.

[C]

I think it's so much about confidence.

[E]

Yeah, I don't.

[B]

That's.

[E]

That's. My issue is do you guys want.

[A]

To give us a little.

[E]

Oh, I cannot.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

A little run acapella? Should I redeem myself?

[A]

Are you able to sit on the spot?

[C]

What's that?

[A]

Can you give us a little.

[E]

You definitely should give us. Give us your.

[F]

What's your audition for?

[E]

Yeah, what's your audition?

[F]

What's your audition song?

[C]

Oh, I mean, I felt this is so basic in theater. I felt like, well, it was cool if you could find, like, the things no one knew.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

But I feel like home, Beauty and the Beast. Like, I love Belle. Like, I love that.

[E]

Okay, so let's see. Wait.

[B]

What's the. Like, the opening song?

[C]

No, it's not in the movie. It's only in the musical. And it's, like, when she's, like, in the castle, and she's, like, mourning the loss of her home. It's, like, really emotional.

[A]

Give us a.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

It's so scary to be put on.

[C]

It's been so many years. I'm like, wait, how does it start? I'm trying to recall.

It's like, is this home? Is this where I should learn to be happy? Never dreamed that home could be dark and cold I have no voice right now. Like I said, we had some art arguments over the weekend.

[B]

So you're like. I was screaming.

[C]

I'm recovering.

[E]

No, that's beautiful.

[B]

That was so good.

[E]

That was awesome.

[C]

Thank you, guys.

[B]

Would Belle be like.

[C]

Would love, Would love, would love, would love.

[B]

Yeah, that would be fun. We just started showing our daughter Beauty and the Beast, and she loves it, too.

[C]

You guys have to listen to the Broadway soundtrack. You know, a fun fact is the woman. I literally. I'm so hoarse, so I can't believe I just did that. The woman who played Belle on Broadway is the voice of Meg in The. The Hercules movie.

[B]

Oh, yes.

[E]

I love when, I love when they're doing other.

[C]

You know, so sometimes when I'm listening to like the Hercules music, which is like amazing, and I heard that that could become a movie and oh my God, I would die.

[D]

Meg.

[C]

Maybe. Meg. Like I would just die. But then I've heard like maybe Liz Gillies or something who would also be amazing. There's so many people that could just kill that role. But I would love to audition. But yeah, sometimes when I'm listening to it, I can hear like, you can hear like a little bit of bell or like, you know, it's cute. Yeah, I'm nerding out. I'm nerding out.

[E]

I. I cannot be put on the spot. This is probably why I didn't pursue.

[C]

Happy birthday.

[E]

Happy birthday.

[G]

You're not trying.

[B]

Do you sing to Louie at night?

[E]

I do sing to Louie.

[F]

I. I have a question for you.

[C]

Okay.

[F]

So you're from Florida. Yeah.

[D]

You.

[F]

You mentioned in the show that you grew up in the same area of Boca that Ariana Grande.

[C]

Yes. I mean, the amount of times I drove past that girl's house. Yeah.

[B]

And what is this, like, pizza restaurant?

[F]

Yeah, I want to know.

[C]

It's not pizza. It's like a nice Italian restaurant. It's like hard to get a reservation at. It's called Tratria Romana. Amazing.

[F]

What are the other favorite spots in Boca that you and Ariana both, I mean, love for?

[C]

If you were at the mall, like in what, 2009, you were probably seeing a red headed Ariana Grande at the mall.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Or like the movie theater. And it's so cute because.

I think I was maybe home when this happened. Like our childhood, like Bokum movie theater. She flew home to see it with her grandmother.

[F]

Yeah, I saw that.

[C]

So cute. Like, imagine watching yourself in this like dream role in your childhood movie theater.

[E]

No, that's crazy.

[C]

It is really crazy. I mean, it's just like really touching.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

Can only hope I have a fraction of that kind of like experience. Aragande manifesting is real.

[E]

You're on a good path.

[F]

The two most famous people, people from Boca are you and Ariana Gandhi.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

Is Tyler Cameron from Boca?

[C]

He's like from Jupiter.

[B]

Oh, Jupiter.

[C]

But so close.

[F]

Yeah, Jupiter's around.

[C]

Where?

[A]

That's near each other.

[C]

Yeah. Maybe like half an hour.

[A]

Okay.

[F]

Sorry, we're getting in.

[A]

Have you met in Florida? Okay.

[E]

Do you watch Bachelor?

[C]

I used to watch the Bachelor.

[F]

Yeah.

[C]

I feel like a lot of girls did. I haven't watched it in a long.

[E]

Time until Taylor, Frankie, Paul.

[C]

Wait. I'm actually so thankful.

[G]

Thrilled.

[C]

I'm so excited for that. I mean, she's just amazing to watch.

[A]

Yeah, we love her. We're big fans.

[C]

Same, same, same, same.

[A]

Well, Natalie, thanks for coming.

[C]

Oh my gosh. Thank you for having me.

[A]

Where can people follow you, find all your fun stuff?

[C]

I mean, you know, I'm on Instagram. That's kind of it right now. I'm just getting better. You know, I do have Tick Tock, but it's more like I'm watching Tick Tock. I'm not. I'm not.

[E]

You're a lurker.

[F]

Yeah, I'm a lurker as well.

[C]

It's like, it's a lot of work, but I think, you know, just post.

[E]

The same stuff on both pages.

[C]

Okay. I think like, it could be singing videos. I made my dog a TikTok once. I've done singing videos. I've done that. I'm trying to get like the technical aspect of it a little bit better though.

[F]

Tik Tok is confusing.

[C]

I'm also not good with like technology. So, like wires and mics and software and like, it's like a whole other language.

[A]

So Instagram.

[C]

So Instagram. So Instagram. For now.

[B]

Natalie McGuire.

[C]

Natalie McGuire. Natalie M. Maguire.

[A]

Natalie M. Natalie McGuire was.

[E]

Whoa. What?

[C]

What do you. All the girls middle names. It's not that crazy.

[B]

Pretty crazy.

[E]

If you guessed my middle name out of nowhere, I would freak out.

[A]

What?

[E]

You're not going Rachel. No, you.

[F]

Mine's R too.

[E]

That's actually crazy.

[A]

No, it's not that crazy.

[E]

He just guessed my middle name out of nowhere.

[A]

I know you're Jewish.

[C]

This is like a really isable talent.

[A]

It's a very popular Jewish name.

[E]

You said crazy.

[B]

Rachel.

[C]

I said Rachel? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[B]

I was going to say Ra.

[A]

You also told me I wouldn't guess and Rebecca is like not.

[C]

Wait, should I try to guess you? You just did mine.

[F]

He just guessed mine.

[C]

What's yours?

[B]

Rebecca.

[E]

Wait, my middle name is Rebecca?

[B]

Wait, what?

[E]

No, that's crazy.

[C]

Wait, what's the first letter of your middle name? J. Joseph.

[F]

Look at everybody.

[C]

I'm scared I'm going to ruin it.

[B]

J.

[E]

This one's.

[C]

Oh, it's your Instagram. So Joy.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Okay.

[E]

Yes.

[C]

We're really good at this.

[A]

Crazy.

[C]

That's hilarious.

[E]

You have a Jewish middle name.

[F]

I mean, it's in the first testament of the Bible.

[A]

Middle name.

[C]

That is hilarious.

[D]

Hilarious.

[C]

Well, I would love to come back when I'm not hoarse. And really sing.

[A]

Marie Maguire.

[C]

Natalie. Mary Maguire, hopefully I can say.

[F]

But you.

[A]

So you're also, like, Irish, too?

[C]

I'm also Irish. I think a lot of the females in my family are Italian. So their last name changed.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[E]

You didn't.

[C]

You didn't get to. I didn't get to keep Kaleli. Imagine Maguire's Fun.

[E]

That is a funny last name.

[B]

Maguire's Fun.

[A]

And it's the same last name. Toby.

[F]

Yep.

[C]

Toby Maguire. Spider Man.

[G]

Yeah.

[C]

That was a musical.

[B]

Yes.

[F]

Dark, Dark past.

[A]

Well, Natalie, thanks for coming and thank you to all our guests, including Kate Arthur. Do not forget to check out our Going Deeper episode with Hilaria Baldwin. It's definitely an episode you will not want to miss world. Also, don't forget to check it out if you haven't already. Our reality recap episode that dropped on Tuesday with mirror ball champion Whitney Carson and her husband, Carson.

[E]

Yes.

[A]

So much fun. We'll see you back on Monday. Bye. Don't forget to check out Plus.