E1049 - Vicki Gunvalson, Nick Hit by a Car, Rob Reiner Tragedy, RHOBH, SC, Bronwyn's Separation & Diddy Doc

Summary

The Viall Files: Episode E1049 Podcast Summary

Title: Vicki Gunvalson, Nick Hit by a Car, Rob Reiner Tragedy, RHOBH, SC, Bronwyn's Separation & Diddy Doc
Date: December 16, 2025
Host: Nick Viall (with Natalie Joy and the Household: Mary, Justin, Sierra, Michaela, Leia)
Featured Guest: Vicki Gunvalson

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Episode Overview

This Reality Recap edition of The Viall Files blends dramatic breaking news, unfiltered celebrity interviews, and reality TV deep dives with personal stories and lively banter. The cast tackles everything from a wild near-death experience and tragic Hollywood headlines to the latest Bravo bombshells and the inside scoop from OG Housewife Vicki Gunvalson herself.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Nick’s Near-Death Experience: “I Got Hit by a Car”

[04:52–10:07]

• Incident Story: Nick recounts being hit by a car while walking: “Honestly, I shouldn’t be here… I should have died. Split second saved me.”
• Aftermath: Though shaken and sore, Nick brushed himself off. A passerby checked on him—it turned out to be Jim Cashman (the actor from Progressive insurance ads).
• Surreal Moment: “How trippy. That a car insurance actor pulled over to check on me.” – Mary [07:53]
• Matrix Vibes: Nick feels “like an angel had my back,” mixing humor and sincere gratitude.
• Family Reaction: Natalie found out after the fact; Nick struggled with how to break the news without causing panic.
• Notable Quote: “If I’d stepped a foot further, I’d be dead.” — Nick [05:10]
• Memorable Moment: Entire household is in disbelief at Nick’s story, blending shock with levity.

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2. Breaking News: The Rob Reiner Tragedy

[10:36–12:25]

• Topic: News breaks that legendary director Rob Reiner and his wife were allegedly murdered by their son, who reportedly struggled with drugs and mental health.
• Reiner’s Impact: Cast reflects on Rob’s iconic career: When Harry Met Sally, Spinal Tap, A Few Good Men, Stand By Me.
• Cultural Impact: “No one’s ever had a generational run like he did… movies that make you feel like you have a soul.” – Justin [11:43]
• Tone: Sober, respectful, raw (“We don’t want to report too much since details are fresh…”)
• Notable Quote: “What art is supposed to be about is making you grateful that people are here.” — Justin [11:57]

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3. Pop Culture Deep Dive: The Diddy Documentary

[12:29–17:57]

• Doc Reaction: The group discusses 50 Cent’s Netflix doc alleging Diddy’s ties to hip hop murders, exploitation of Biggie, Tupac, and manipulative industry practices.
• Revelations: Diddy’s relationships and alleged crimes, withholding payments from artists, psychological manipulation, and constant self-documentation for damage control are explored.
• Industry Take: “Hollywood is ripe for bad actors… so many are in control of people’s dreams.” – Nick [13:07]
• Notable Quotes:
  • “He made Biggie pay for his own funeral!” — Mary [14:10]
  • “The documentary is crazy. You gotta watch it.” — Nick [17:55]

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4. Bravo Universe: Bronwyn & Todd’s Separation

[18:06–23:51]

• Breaking News: RHOSLC star Bronwyn Newport and Todd Bradley’s separation is confirmed—comes out at reunion taping.
• Theories & Impact: Panel speculates: Did reality TV cause the split? Did pressures of fame fracture their union? Parallels drawn to other Bravo breakups.
• Fan Speculation: Jokes about online fan edits (Bronwyn & Whitney) underline the blurred line between real relationships and Bravo fandom fantasy.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “It just shows you how much reality TV ruins relationships.” — Mary [20:08]
  • “We wish nothing but the best. But it’s sad to see a relationship end.” — Nick [23:51]

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5. Wild Party Watch: Kyle Cook, Summer House, and the ‘Swag Gap’

[24:29–30:09]

• Viral Photos: Summer House’s Kyle Cook caught at a fan’s house shotgunning drinks at 5:28am, sparking debate about relationship maturity.
• Amanda Speaks Out: Amanda (his partner) comments: “That wasn’t even the night I was talking about,” implying a recurring problem.
• Swag Gap Debate: Introduction of the Gen Z dating term “swag gap” (difference in partner’s style or social energy) and discussion on the shifting nature of relationships and vulnerability.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “The internet has ruined dating. Dating’s hard. Get your heart broken, fall in love, get messy!” — Nick [30:25]
  • “Maybe Gen Z just has a fear of vulnerability—just get your heart crushed.” — Justin [31:17]

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6. Reality Television Roundups

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Southern Charm Recap & the ‘Pick Me’ Discussion

[65:55–84:12]

• Episode Recap: Craig, Austen, and Shep’s feuding dominates the latest episode; drama over rumors, drinking, and relationship triangles.
• Pick Me Discourse: Nick critiques how “pick me” is weaponized, especially against women simply seeking love, arguing for empathy over shaming.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “Let her around and find out.” — Justin [70:04]
  • “Sometimes people lose their boundaries a little, but we shouldn’t demonize them for wanting love.” — Nick [69:51]
• Craig’s Regression: The cast laments Craig’s return to volatile behavior, noting Paige’s (his ex) stabilizing influence.
• Whitner’s “Ick” Edit: Discussion of Southern Charm’s awkward new male cast member and the perils of being too much of a nice guy on TV.

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Real Housewives of Beverly Hills Recap

[84:53–95:13]

• Amanda Joins Cast: New Housewife Amanda (“the money queen”) introduced via purchasing Kyle’s old home; immediately brings energy and snark.
• Mo's Bachelor Pad: Scenes at Mauricio’s new bachelor house prompt laughs (“That’s a bachelor pad—there are a lot of ladies coming up here!” — Nick [86:41]).
• Dorit’s Struggles: Dives into Dorit & PK’s messy divorce, financial issues, and emotional toll of custody arguments.
• Kyle’s Storyline: Kyle’s bisexuality “soft launch” and ongoing drama with Morgan, plus speculation on the authenticity of “tabloid” relationships.
• Erika’s Real Talk: Unusually candid moment where Erika admits to wishing Tom Girardi had died before his scandals broke: “I kinda hoped he’d die before he had to go to prison.” — Mary [94:48]
• Subtitles Controversy: Observations that Peacock’s captions sometimes diverged from aired dialogue, possibly due to legal caution.
• Notable Quotes:
  • “Mo is in his fuckboy era, but he’s not a player. You know what you’re in for with that view.” — Nick [87:01]
  • “I feel like Kyle and Mauricio are soulmates—just maybe not romantic soulmates.” — Justin [93:06]

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7. Vicki Gunvalson Interview: The OG Returns

[39:01–59:33]

The Housewives Era

• Brutal Honesty: Vicki is candid about returning to RHOC, critiquing “meaningless” recent seasons: “I thought we were supposed to showcase real life, not play detectives… It just became stupid.” [40:33]
• Strategy: Vicki wants to bring “real issues” back to the franchise (career, family, marriage, business)—not manufactured drama.
  • “My hope is we can bring it back to real issues people are having.” — Vicki [40:33]
• Relationships: Firm friends with Tamra; sees Shannon less, as Shannon “never leaves her 5-mile bubble.”
• On Cast Drama: Frustrated by convoluted feuds and hypocrisy about lying: “Did we kill somebody or did we hurt somebody? The rest is minutiae.” — Vicki [50:11]
• On Heather Dubrow: “I wouldn’t put Heather in the funny category.”
• On Receiving Gifts: “I don’t need anything. I buy whatever I want… Just be kind to me. Fill my love tank.” [47:18]
• Least Interesting Housewife: “I think they’re all irrelevant.” [51:18]
• On Coming Back: Financially secure, recognizes the toll reality TV takes.
  • “I don’t need to be sick because I’m filming a reality show… [it] gives you a good evaluation to reset.” [52:32]

Personal Updates

• Business Success: Headed for the Insurance Hall of Fame, acknowledging her longevity and rare achievement as a female agency leader. [55:47]
• Upcoming Filming: Filming for RHOC picks up mid-February; will be part of Girls Trip (briefly leaks details).
• Induction & Travel: Balancing career, reality filming, and receiving her Mexico permanent residency.
• Classic Vicki: “Get that hula skirt off and do some Mexican whatevers.” [59:29]
• Notable Memorable Moments:
  • Vicki is still unclear on Nick’s name: “Vials, Vials, Vials, Viles.” [42:02]
  • Playful banter, loving roasts from both sides, and Vicki’s infectious, direct attitude.

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Notable Quotes and Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• “If I’d stepped a foot further, I’d be dead.” — Nick [05:10]
• “How trippy. That a car insurance actor pulled over to check on me.” — Mary [07:53]
• “No one’s ever had a generational run like he did…” — Justin [11:43] (on Rob Reiner)
• “He made Biggie pay for his own funeral!” — Mary [14:10]
• “I don’t like crap in my life. Just be kind to me and fill my love tank.” — Vicki [47:32]
• “I think they’re all irrelevant.” — Vicki [51:18] (on least interesting housewife)
• “This is one of the worst introductions of a new character.” — Nick [81:13] (on Whitner, Southern Charm)
• “Mo is in his fuckboy era, but he’s not a player.” — Nick [87:01]
• “I feel like Kyle and Mauricio are soulmates—just maybe not romantic soulmates.” — Justin [93:06]

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Show Flow & Notable Segments with Timestamps

| Segment | Time | |-----------------------------------|--------------| | Nick’s car accident story | 04:52–10:07 | | Rob Reiner tragedy | 10:36–12:25 | | Diddy Netflix doc discussion | 12:29–17:57 | | Bronwyn separation | 18:06–23:51 | | Kyle Cook party drama/“swag gap” | 24:29–30:09 | | “Pick Me” & SC Recap | 65:55–84:12 | | RHOBH Recap | 84:53–95:13 | | Vicki Gunvalson Interview | 39:01–59:33 |

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Final Notes

Tone:
The episode is irreverent, heartfelt, and self-aware—mixing humor and empathy, with playful roasts and candid reality TV talk. Vicki’s interview is classic reality royalty: unapologetic, direct, and filled with anecdotes.

For Listeners Who Missed the Show:
This episode is a whirlwind TRL of reality TV gossip, pop culture headlines, and authentic life moments. You’ll come for the drama, but stay for the realness—inside scoops, near-misses, and the unfiltered voices of Bravo’s biggest personalities.

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Listen if you love:

• Candid takes and behind-the-scenes reality TV
• Breaking pop culture and celeb news
• Riffs on generational dating trends
• Iconic Bravo interviews, especially from housewives who “don’t need it but still run it”

Transcript

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[Mary]

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[Nick Vile]

You're crazy. What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another tropical episode of the Vow Files reality recap edition.

[Mary]

You're confused. So are we.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, I don't even know what's going on. It's just a little prank for those.

[Justin]

Listening and not seeing. We did.

[Nick Vile]

Or. And watching.

[Justin]

And watching. Yeah. If you're.

[Mary]

It's confusing forever.

[Nick Vile]

Leia and I don't know what's going on.

[Justin]

Wanted to have some fun because of the guest we're having. It's a reference to our old episode.

[Nick Vile]

Vicki Gunvalson is returning to the Vile Files fresh off of her being brought.

[Justin]

Back her orange exuberance smoke.

[Nick Vile]

So that's another reason that we're receiving an orange.

[Leia]

Yes, that's another reason to be tropical.

[Nick Vile]

Right. But you have lays on Christmas trees and I don't think orange is grown in Hawaii.

[Sierra]

And she was. She was in Mexico and this is Hawaii.

[Leia]

She joined from the beach. Yes. And so now we are on the beach to Hawaii.

[Justin]

Buy these decorations.

[Leia]

I did buy the decorations, but I typed in beach party.

[Nick Vile]

Right, Right. Anyways, Vicki Gumbelson returns. And if you don't know what we're talking about, the first time we spoke with Vicky, she was, I guess on vacation.

[Justin]

On vacation. At lunch, she was eating a Chinese chicken salad on the beaches of Mexico.

[Nick Vile]

She graciously took our call and history was made.

[Michaela]

During that interview was made.

[Mary]

She thought she hung up the call and she did not.

[Nick Vile]

And reminding the world, but who the fuck is Nick Vile?

[Mary]

Yeah, like everyone wants to know. Nick Files, you're still here.

[Nick Vile]

Also, just a quick reminder, Vile Files plus is now ad free. So if you want to get all of your Vile Files content, your recaps, you're going deepers and your ask Nicks ad free. Just sign up for Vile Files Plush. In addition to that, we got our reality recap deep dives where we dive even deeper into the shows that you know and love that we are covering now in a little bit of a higher level because we have so many shows to talk about. But if you want to get into the weeds and some your favorite shows, also your pop extra, all your pop culture hot topics that we didn't get to cover on Reality Recap. And also your Ask Nick updates, all your favorite updates. That, and we got some more great shows coming out, so check it out. It's free to sign up. Go to v files.com. you won't regret it. Guys, I got hit by a car.

[Mary]

What?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

What?

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Okay, hard pivot.

[Justin]

Let's hear about this.

[Mary]

Show your wound.

[Sierra]

I. I saw when you walked in, so, yeah, please.

[Mary]

Whole leg is. What are you.

[Sierra]

Well, I almost died, so please explain.

[Leia]

Were you in a car or you were, like, crossing the street?

[Nick Vile]

I was crossing a street.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, I was at an intersection and I crossed the street, and it was one of those intersections where it's several lanes. And I honestly don't. Not sure what happened because it all happened in a blink of an eye. But I walked across and I got like, clip. And I heard this thud and I, like, I think I spun around. I'm not sure I definitely should have died. Like, if it was like, if I stepped a foot further out, like, if, if, if like a split second difference in timing, I'm dead and the car was gone. Or if I'm not dead. I have serious bodily injuries. But.

[Michaela]

Were you alone?

[Nick Vile]

I was, but no.

[Leia]

Did you call Natalie right after?

[Nick Vile]

No. I mean, like, my life flashed before my eyes and I felt incredibly guilty about, you know, just like, you know, what happens if I die?

[Leia]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Vile]

If I left my wife and my child and then this is how I know we're living in a matrix. Well, first of all, the person who hit me, I think they pulled over and this person's defense. Don't know who it was. Don't even know what they were driving. I think they don't even know what happened. They probably didn't even, like, know what they hit. Cause I didn't. I wasn't out on the ground. I just, like, peeled off to the sidewalk and I was definitely startled and I was definitely like, I should be dead. I think I'm okay.

[Justin]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Vile]

I definitely have, like. And I had, like, scratches on my hand and I was sore, and my ankle felt, like, sore, so I just felt sore. But I was like, is this soreness? Like, do I have internal. Is my head about to fall off?

[Michaela]

Like, am I going to wake up dead?

[Nick Vile]

No, literally, it was just like, that. I shouldn't be okay. I was walking home. I was, like, on a walk, so I'm like, I think I'm fine. So I'm just going to, like, walk home and just see if I'm okay.

[Leia]

Wait, so the Driver didn't stop.

[Nick Vile]

The driver pulled over, and I saw them, but I was just kind of rattled. This is. But this is how I know we live in a matrix. Someone did pull over to check on me.

[Sierra]

Oh, wow. Yeah. So that's what's good.

[Nick Vile]

And they're like, are you okay? I'm like, I think I am. Like, I think I'm okay. Like, that was crazy. And I'm like, you look familiar.

[Mary]

Oh, my God.

[Justin]

Whoa.

[Nick Vile]

He's like, yeah, I'm an actor.

[Sierra]

And I'm like, oh, you said it.

[Nick Vile]

I said, I think you look familiar.

[Sierra]

Who was it?

[Nick Vile]

It was the actor. Who? For the guy on the Progressive Car Insurance commercial.

[Michaela]

It was chaos.

[Nick Vile]

Not chaos.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Nick Vile]

That's Allstate. That would have been even trippier.

[Justin]

Not Dennis from 30 Rock.

[Mary]

It's the one who's always with Flo.

[Nick Vile]

He's always with Flo.

[Justin]

I know. I know. The man of which you speak. Yes.

[Nick Vile]

Lovely gentleman. Actually, the other.

[Justin]

Did he offer you.

[Nick Vile]

I did a commercial with the other. Not Flo. But there's a younger. There's like, a new younger flow.

[Leia]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick Vile]

I've done a commercial with her. I've worked with her. Yeah.

[Sierra]

Jim Cashman.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Nick Vile]

Shout out to Jim Cashman.

[Mary]

Shout out Jim Cash.

[Nick Vile]

Shout out Jim Cashman for being a good Samaritan.

[Mary]

But how trippy. That a car insurance.

[Nick Vile]

No, literally, actor pulled over to check on.

[Sierra]

And that's some good product placement.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Shout out Progressive Car Insurance.

[Sierra]

I'm. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Are you switching?

[Mary]

So then I am sitting at the park with river, and I'm like, there's, like, you know, drama going on at the park. So I call Nick, know that he's walking home, and I'm like, oh, my God. Like, listen to this and listen to that. And he's like, yeah, well, listen, babe. So I'm okay. But I did get hit by a car.

[Justin]

I was like, what?

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, it was kind of spooky. Cause I'm like, I definitely need to tell Natalie I don't keep things from her. But I was just like, how do I say this in a way that doesn't freak her out? And it was definitely, like, a very eerie feeling the rest of the weekend. Cause it was like that just happened.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Like, yeah.

[Leia]

Whoa.

[Justin]

It's like the kind of thing of, like, when you. Have you ever been driving and a car crash happens, like, right next to you and you swerve and avoid it, I guess.

[Nick Vile]

But this was like.

[Justin]

That's happened to me a couple of times. And I'm just Near death experience.

[Leia]

Wait, what's your. So you cut your hand up? How did that even happen?

[Nick Vile]

I don't know. I think it hit my bottom half and my, my hands probably down, but I think it just like clipped me. Like, it, it honestly just. It doesn't take much for a car to you up. I thought it just got me by like a million.

[Leia]

Was this car not slowing down? Like the car was driving full.

[Nick Vile]

I don't think the car honestly don't know because it would know. Is that like a stop sign on? I thought all the cars were just stopped, you know, and I just. I cross and I think this. I don't know. You know, I don't. Honestly don't know.

[Mary]

Maybe they were turning and they had a turn, you know, and didn't see you.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, I don't think they were going very fast. They're probably going crazy. I don't think it takes much.

[Mary]

No.

[Michaela]

Well, I'm glad you're okay.

[Sierra]

There's. There's moments I remember that, like, angels are watching after us.

[Nick Vile]

And I'm like, you know, watching you, honestly, growing up Catholic, it was very guardian angel. Like, literally thinking of my grandma who, like, would always say shit like, like when, you know, like, the people in your lives. I'm not a very, like, religious guy anymore, but it was definitely like, I got some people watching out in the.

[Sierra]

Same way they push you just one step further.

[Nick Vile]

It really felt like an angel, like, had my back. It was really crazy.

[Sierra]

I'm glad you're okay.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, me too. Because now it was like, what would I do?

[Mary]

Literally, like, what would I do?

[Nick Vile]

Well, then I said you'd take over.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Can't imagine we would always leave that charity.

[Leia]

Today would have been a really weird. No, it would have been really weird to walk into this decor.

[Nick Vile]

That would have been a present for if you would have showed up today for work.

[Mary]

And this is how I showed up. With fucking lens.

[Michaela]

And Nick would have wanted everywhere. All right, let's run the show.

[Leia]

That would have been real awkward for me.

[Nick Vile]

Well, I don't know how to transition this because it's very sad news, but Rob Reiner, Hollywood legend, actor, director, unfortunately passed away last night in a very. What seems to be a lot of information's coming out seems to be very tragic. Initial reports is that him and his wife were unfortunately, I guess, trigger alert, I don't know, murdered by allegedly their son. It seems like. Again, there's a lot of stories coming out right now. We're recording this Monday morning. Forgive us if we get anything wrong. Obviously, we're just looking at what the news is, what's being reported, but it seems like Rob's son, it sounds like he's been struggling with some, maybe drug and mental health problems over the years, but it's a very tragic story. Rob Reiner, director of When Harry Met Sally, Misery, the Princess Bride, Spinal Tap, Spinal Tap, A Few Good Men, A Few Good Men, Stand By Me. Stand By Me.

[Justin]

He was in. He was, you know, Carl Reiner's son, obviously. He was in all in the Family. He was meathead and all of the.

[Nick Vile]

Played the dad and Wolf of Wall.

[Justin]

Street, Jess's dad, a new girl. Just amazing.

[Leia]

Like, legend.

[Justin]

Legend. No one has ever had, like, a generational run like he did of, like, the films that he made.

[Nick Vile]

Family movies, like, just Feel good. Like, movies that really touched your heart.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Just like, what culturally iconic movies.

[Justin]

Yeah. And just, like, what art is supposed to be about and what, like, makes you feel like you have a soul when you, like, look at another person and just feel grateful that they're there.

[Nick Vile]

Anyways, it's a tragedy. And I don't know how. How these dark things happen. We don't want to report too much information because, again, a lot of information is coming out. But we do know that, unfortunately, Rob Reiner and his wife have passed away. I don't know how to also pivot for that other than, like, are you.

[Mary]

Staying on the train of heartbreaking, terrible things?

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Documentary Diddy doc on Netflix.

[Sierra]

You?

[Nick Vile]

Anyone? Well, now that I watch that.

[Michaela]

I watched some.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Mary]

It is just, like, disturbing, first of all, the fact that 50 Cent is producing it.

[Nick Vile]

What a g. What?

[Mary]

I mean, just like. Like, let's get him on the show. I have so many questions for 50 Cent, but it just, like, makes you wonder, like, this man was so, like, loved by everyone in Hollywood. It, like, showing all these old interviews, like him on Ellen and him, you know, like, doing all these things with all these celebrities, and it's just, like, how many other awful people are there that, you know, it just, like, makes you wonder, like, oh, my God, this man was.

[Nick Vile]

Listen, I. You know, people say this a lot about this town in Hollywood. Like, yeah, it's. Listen, I've met a lot of wonderful, good people in this. In LA and in this town and in this industry. But, like, it is an industry that is ripe for bad actors, you know, especially those people who are able in positions of power because there are so many people in control of other people's dreams and to become rich and famous and have Us, you know, that type of dream.

[Mary]

And like, him and him. Him getting Tupac and Biggie killed.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. Spoiler alert. It seems pretty clear by this doc that, yeah, Diddy probably is somehow involved in Tupac's death. And as his former work associate and friend said in this documentary that he definitely ushered Biggie to his death.

[Mary]

So, I mean, and then made Biggie pay for this big funeral. He's like, I'm going to give him the biggest funeral that the whole world has ever seen. And he's like, but it'll come out of Biggie's paycheck.

[Leia]

And.

[Nick Vile]

And told the world that, like, him and Biggie were like, best friends when they weren't really that close of friends. Like, I remember. I'm old enough to remember. I was in eighth grade when this all went down and you heard about the east side, west side, like, obviously, like rap beef drama. And it was like Biggie and Tupac hated each other. Biggie and Tupac didn't hate each other. They were tight, they were cool. They were just like two cats living on opposite side of the country making, like sick music. And, and obviously all this other stuff kind of unfolded. But like, when Biggie passed, like P. Diddy, Puff Daddy, whatever, he's going by Sean Combs did, he did all these interviews talking about how, like, it's his best friend. He, like, assumed the role of Biggie's best friend and then launched it. Like, it's so dark because, like, he was this. We all knew him as producer, but that's how P. Diddy got his music career, by basically being allegedly involved in offing Tupac and Biggie to, like, icons of like, rap and hip hop music over the generation.

[Mary]

I mean, they got, they got Biggie's mom interviewed. Like, she's in the dock and she talks about how she hates Sean Combs and like, it's just a crazy how his sons were involved in so much, you know, like, he has all of these children with Kim Porter and yeah, like, he basically.

[Nick Vile]

They allege that he basically groomed his sons to also be monsters and killers.

[Mary]

Crazy. It's the craziest documentary ever.

[Michaela]

Like, people's lives with contracts and the.

[Mary]

Fact that, like, Cassie really only had that one song, me and you, and then he wouldn't let her, like, release anything else.

[Nick Vile]

So anyway, if you're not watching it and you know, if you're old enough to know anything about Biggie or Tupac or have any thoughts of opinions on how that all went down, well, it's.

[Mary]

Clear, like this was a guy who, like, didn't pay anyone, right? Like, they interviewed Lil Rod. He's a producer artist. I believe he helped with the song Miracles by Justin Bieber. He produced pretty much Diddy's entire last album. They sat down with him and he was like, I worked with him for years on this album, and he has paid me $29,000.

[Sierra]

Wow.

[Mary]

And that's it. And he's like, he owes me so much money. And he would wake up and there'd be all these calls from Diddy and text from Diddy being like, yo, man, like, it's coming. Just chill, Just chill. So he, like, clearly wasn't paying the people in his orbit. And so he would follow. So he had this. This videographer follow him around and videotape everything. Like, the days leading up to his arrest. He has this, like, kid videoing him. And it's clear you probably didn't pay him. And so that's why we have all this footage, is because somebody was like, hey, we'll pay you for this.

[Michaela]

50.

[Mary]

50. And so it's just crazy. He had just documented. I mean, just had someone follow him every day and document everything he did.

[Michaela]

It is kind of crazy seeing things being retold, too, where it's like, I remember the vma, I think, performance or whatever. There was an award show performance where it was like, right after Biggie passed, and it was like, Faith Hill or not Faith Hill, Faith Evans and everybody, like, coming out, and you're just thinking that, like, oh, my God, this, like, bad boy family. So strong. So whatever. And then, like, seeing what was going on in the background and, like, how she didn't want to come out and sing and him threatening her and all this stuff, and you're just like. It's so. It's so weird having seen it one way and then knowing exactly what was going on 20 years later, but nobody said anything or, like, could say anything.

[Mary]

Same thing with, like, Aubrey o' Day and Dan Andy Kane, like, watching that group on making the band. And then you see you, like, like, oh, I.

[Michaela]

Can I say Aubrey was my favorite when I was watching that show. And I never understood why he was so mean to her, like, wanting to kick her out. And then it's like, you see what's going on behind closed doors, and it's just like, that is so sad.

[Mary]

It's crazy. It's a crazy documentary you guys got.

[Nick Vile]

You guys gotta watch it.

[Mary]

I really do.

[Michaela]

Also, shout out to Danity Kane. They performed over the last week.

[Mary]

Yeah, I saw that. They got back together.

[Nick Vile]

Did they?

[Michaela]

Yeah, minus Don staying on.

[Mary]

The sad reports are coming in. Bronwyn and Todd are separating. I allegedly. Allegedly.

[Nick Vile]

Guys, I hate. I hate it when I'm right.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I knew you.

[Michaela]

I knew you were gonna say that.

[Nick Vile]

Dunkin. Any joy in this? I'm really sad. I really. I really am sad. On all seriousness, I'm very sad about the situation. First, it's like, it's a kind of report. We don't know. It's all over the news, but this is.

[Mary]

You say allegedly. People magazine put out Real Housewives of Salt Lake City star Bronwyn Newport and husband Todd Bradley separate after nine years of marriage. Exclusive. This is not like allegedly. This is not like maybe they are.

[Nick Vile]

It's not coming from Bronwyn or from a source.

[Mary]

Bronwyn's representative tells People this was a mutual decision made with care and respect.

[Leia]

I guess I miss a new headline.

[Justin]

Capital S Separated, it seems.

[Nick Vile]

Well, reports were. I think at least came out. A friend of show, Carlos King, who was closely connected with many of the production and producers of. Being a former housewife producer himself, I guess, caught wind that this was allegedly discussed at the taping of the reunion. Yes.

[Sierra]

It was supposed to be a bombshell.

[Justin]

At the reunion, and then it leaked.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, shocker.

[Michaela]

I mean.

[Sierra]

And he said there's no way to trace back who would have leaked it if that's the case.

[Nick Vile]

Well, you have. Well, no, I mean, listen, on these. You guys always think it's like, from the host.

[Justin]

Could have been a pa.

[Michaela]

I would have texted my friend on set.

[Mary]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick Vile]

You have all these pas. You have, like, there's hundreds of people around.

[Justin]

Everyone loves gossip.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Leia]

Honestly, I think, though, it ends up doing better for, like, promotion.

[Nick Vile]

It doesn't stop people. The people who were gonna. The people who are interested in the spoilers want to know the spoilers. Doesn't stop them from watching. And, like, a lot of people are just like, have their normal lives are not de. Into the weeds, you know, looking at.

[Leia]

Well, if anything, it's like, oh, I want to now watch how this announcement is made and what is said about it.

[Justin]

I mean, you're never going to get the gag of Haitian mortician that way.

[Sierra]

Yeah. This would have been crazier to see it, like, in the live.

[Mary]

Sure.

[Michaela]

AUDIBLE gasps but it is.

[Mary]

It just shows you how much reality TV ruins relationships.

[Nick Vile]

And it's like, we don't know for sure.

[Mary]

Come on. They've been married nine years. Their life's now under a spotlight.

[Nick Vile]

But what's the chance that maybe it.

[Mary]

Would have happened in 10 more years.

[Nick Vile]

Well, listen, unfortunately, this is gonna raise a lot of questions in Brolin's apartment. Was it the show? Did the show come between them? You know, were they a united front before they started filming? And then the pressure and the bright lights of stardom affect their relationship? Were. Was the relationship already crumbling?

[Michaela]

Did you bring him on the show because you knew you could leave after a while?

[Sierra]

Does he want you to do the show? So had a income coming through. Like, there's so many questions. Well, she.

[Nick Vile]

There is no prunum.

[Sierra]

I know, but, like, yeah, people say that about, like, Kelsey Grammer and Camille. That it's like she. That's fact. They brought her on the show so.

[Nick Vile]

That she had a job.

[Sierra]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

[Michaela]

Like, she had a mistress.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, that's. That's more like giving them something to do in preoccupying someone.

[Justin]

This is a reverse. This is a reverse Kelsey grammar.

[Nick Vile]

Yes, allegedly.

[Justin]

Allegedly.

[Nick Vile]

We don't really know the details.

[Michaela]

It would appear.

[Nick Vile]

Well, in terms of her intentions, we're like. We are assuming we know Kelsey's grammar's intentions. We don't know Todd or Brawn.

[Justin]

Here is my take on this. And this is for legal purposes. This is a joke. And purely just based on some beautiful, beautiful fan edits I've been seeing online. Justin knows what I'm talking about. I'm just saying, if Bronwyn's single now. I've been seeing some incredible Bronwyn and Whitney fan cams.

[Leia]

Oh, my God.

[Mary]

Are you.

[Leia]

Are you. You know, a moment that we didn't talk about, though, on last week's episode was when Whitney was. Did that.

[Justin]

And those are in the fan cams.

[Leia]

Okay.

[Justin]

Yeah. These editors are so talented.

[Nick Vile]

Don't you.

[Justin]

I don't think it's real. I just think it's. The power of the edit is amazing.

[Nick Vile]

The relationship's a little. Still a little hot. Before you start speculating about sexual orientation.

[Justin]

I mean, I'm not actually speculating. I just think the fan edits are really funny.

[Michaela]

Listen, maybe Bronman just got tired of him stealing her cherries. And she was just like, I just want to eat a sundae alone.

[Nick Vile]

You know, it's crazy. This morning. This morning, I made coffee, and I grabbed one of our few Starbucks coffee mugs.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

This one from Paris. And it made me think, one less tourist going around and bringing his wife coffee cups from Starbucks.

[Sierra]

I did the same thing when I went to my family's house, and they had, like, a wall full of them. And I was like, how to be best friends with them.

[Mary]

Well, we do have Lisa Barlow, who posted a video shortly after.

[Nick Vile]

This is messy.

[Justin]

Oh, yeah.

[Mary]

Bronwyn and Todd's separation was reported, and it's her and John walking the streets of New York. Walking the streets, Park City. And she's like, we've been together 23 years. Anyone who thinks we're not crazy about each other, and we just love each other so much, and we're going to.

[Sierra]

Our bar right now or lounge.

[Mary]

We just wanted to show you how beautiful the street is and how in love we are.

[Sierra]

I love her, but that's so petty.

[Nick Vile]

Why do you think? Is she not. I mean, I guess she's not getting along with Rowan.

[Mary]

I mean, they have. They definitely haven't been thus far.

[Sierra]

I mean, they're the. They're the relationship that's like, we're gonna make up with this conversation, and we' going to, like, go forward being friends. Next scene. Fighting new allegation.

[Nick Vile]

So, yeah, sad.

[Michaela]

But, you know.

[Mary]

You know, I feel like next season, Salt Lake City is going to be pretty good.

[Justin]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Listen, we wish Ton and Brawin nothing but the best. And, you know, listen, And Lisa and John.

[Michaela]

I'm just kidding.

[Nick Vile]

Listen, I don't know what caused this. Whatever. You know, Brawan is entitled to live her life, and. And we don't. I've never met Todd. You know, we don't know. But it is sad to see a relationship end.

[Sierra]

Yeah, I agree.

[Mary]

Maybe that's why she wouldn't come on the show with him.

[Nick Vile]

What's weird, though, is that she was, like, open to the idea for a moment, and that wasn't too long ago. I don't know. It's sad, but, yeah, I hope it's a rumor. I think also what I hate about it is it's like when Bron came on, you know, and, like, you had this relationship and a lot of people wanted to nitpick, and I hate that the streets were right. You know, I hate that they immediately attacked this relationship and everything. You know, I wanted to believe it was just the haters hating, but they ended up being right. What are you gonna do?

[Sierra]

Did you see the photos of Kyle Cook at the fan's house?

[Nick Vile]

A little bit.

[Leia]

Now, Amanda Petula said, this is not true.

[Mary]

So someone posted these photos of. They look like Snapchat photos of Kyle Cook, like, in someone's house. Timestamped. What's so timestamped? And what's so funny is the caption that this person sent is like, help. He's still here.

[Michaela]

Wait, like, what is it? It says like 5:28am and then underneath it she's like, he's still here. And he's like, clearly setting up to play beer pong. Then there's another photo that's of him about to shotgun a Truly, which is a competing brain.

[Justin]

What does it say?

[Leia]

What does she have to do with this?

[Mary]

This is what caused their beef, right? Was that she.

[Michaela]

She did a sponsored ad for Truly and that they got into it like you're supposed to be supporting lover Boy.

[Justin]

And that's what. He also got mad at Craig for doing something like that too.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, that's a little. I mean, I'm not defending in any way Kyle here, but the, The. The. The. The Craig is petty, but like, I. And I don't think Kyle's right here, but.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

What.

[Nick Vile]

I'm just saying it's. We. We understand that Kyle's like the brainchild behind lover Boy. No. Well, even Summer Home.

[Mary]

Summer house.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

And so he probably thought a certain way for Hannah to do a sponsored post of his brand on a show that he helped, you know, get her off or something. It's a little different than Craig, who's on a completely different show.

[Mary]

Sure.

[Michaela]

But I will say that was on.

[Mary]

Her personal, like, social media that she did an ad for. She didn't like, bring the Truly on to Summer house.

[Nick Vile]

No, I mean, listen, I'm team.

[Mary]

But then for him to be like, at this party, like, shotgunning Truly is clearly, like, he's not all crazy.

[Michaela]

No, the team craziest part is that allegedly. Not allegedly. Apparently Amanda commented underneath one of these posts and saying the worst part is this isn't the. Like, this isn't the night that I'm talking about.

[Sierra]

It doesn't match the timeline. Yeah.

[Michaela]

And it's just like. So you mean to tell me there's multiple nights that he's just out at 6am at someone's house beyond recognize, like, recognition of being a human, where the.

[Mary]

People are like, help. He's still here.

[Justin]

Nothing behind him.

[Nick Vile]

He's still here.

[Mary]

They want him out of their house.

[Michaela]

And he's still there.

[Justin]

Have you ever seen that TikTok of the guy that's dancing and it's like, like it's 5am everyone's gone and he's.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. I mean, there's always one at every party.

[Justin]

I just didn't think Kyle was that guy still.

[Mary]

Yeah, but like, you can't.

[Michaela]

You don't get to go on the show and, like, make Amanda out to be this, like, lazy. Doesn't help. Not ready to have children, not ready to be a mother, and all of this stuff and, like, all this criticism towards her, and then this is what you're doing. Like, if I were Amanda, I too, would be like, having a child with.

[Mary]

Who it literally comes back to them. Was it reunion last season where she's like, you are not ready for a child. You're like, your actions are not saying, like, hey, I'm ready for children.

[Michaela]

No, honestly, if, like, that. If that were my partner, like, mortifying.

[Leia]

And I don't know what he says behind closed doors, but saying, well, once the baby comes is not.

[Nick Vile]

Is there any chance they're like, I think maybe I'm just the naive lover boy that I am. And I'm always like, listen, I just think if you're going to do these shows, you know, you got to have your priorities. You know, it's like, this is my fa. You know, if. If I can do this without it coming in between this, then I'm okay with it. But it's just like, all these stories over the years between Kyle and Amanda, you know, at. On one level, they seem like, you know, when it was Jesse Solomon a couple years ago in the. In the comments, like, hitting on Amanda.

[Michaela]

Nice cans.

[Leia]

Yeah, that was last year.

[Nick Vile]

And they just kind of, like, they kind of always lean in as if, like, like, hey, we just. We're just glad you're talking about us. Like, it's all doing it for the plot. And listen, if that's true, good for you guys. Like, good for you for being that connected and that secure in your relationship and you guys can go off to work and feed your family. Hell, yeah, I'm impressed. But, like, then this makes it seem like that's not what's going on. You know, like, we want to wish the best for these people, but it all. It kind of comes across as one person's doing something, the other person is reluctantly putting up with it and just doing whatever they can to make it work and putting on a good face. Because, like, the alternative is, you know.

[Justin]

Do you think that they might have what the kids are calling a swag gap in their relationship? Have you guys heard about this?

[Mary]

No.

[Nick Vile]

This morning.

[Justin]

So basically, Gen Z daters are saying that there's a swag gap that's becoming a deal breaker in relationships, which is they're. They're referencing, like, Haley and Justin Bieber, Benny Blanco and Selena Gomez of just, like, when someone is very put together. And the other person's, I guess, kind of like grumpy.

[Nick Vile]

You are referencing two relationships that work.

[Justin]

I know, Mary, I'm not saying I agree with it, but you, like, I, I do wonder if there is something to like.

[Nick Vile]

I think you guys are flagged.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I kind of feel like Gen Z's finding new ways to make dating so much harder.

[Justin]

I think people saw that Whoopi Goldberg of like, I don't want anyone in my house and just really ran with it. That's what I think is happening. What, have you seen that headline?

[Leia]

No, but also what does that have to do with.

[Justin]

I just think a lot of like Gen Z daters, to be honest, just don't want to be in a relationship.

[Nick Vile]

Listen, I feel, I feel for you guys. In all seriousness, I just, in the sense that like I think dating culture is hard. It's hard. Internet has ruined dating, online dating is ruined dating, social media is ruined in dating. And then now people are having a hard time making connections. And what always happens when things like when we have a hard time doing something, it's sometimes easier just to say, well, I don't want the thing that's hard to get. It's just easier to be like, you know what? I'd rather be alone.

[Justin]

I'm better off alone.

[Nick Vile]

I'm better off alone. And it's, listen, being comfortable being alone a really important part of most people's lives. Like my ability to like, I really dominated my singles as a 30 year old man and like, thank God because it got dark, you know, but like I learned to be comfortable being a great third and fifth wheel. It's a great, great rite of passage.

[Justin]

To be a third and fifth wheel. It's really fun to third wheel.

[Nick Vile]

It is to, to be. Yeah. And it's some. And sometimes you're really proud of yourself. You're like, I'm actually, I'm doing it. I'm having fun. Like I'm totally alone. Everyone else is in love. I'm sitting here. Normally I just want to like end it all, but like, I'm doing okay.

[Michaela]

I'm so secure.

[Nick Vile]

I'm doing okay. It's a nice little moment. But like now you guys are being told to just give the fuck up. Now you're coming up with stupid reasons of why like you shouldn't like someone or shouldn't like you. It's just like get your heart broken. Get your heart.

[Justin]

Yeah, it's just like, I think Jen Z just has like this terrible fear of vulnerability in every single sense. Not just Romantically, but there's like a lack of earnestness and there's a lack of. You said something in like an Asnicker update or something recently where it's like, you have to be willing to get your heart crushed.

[Nick Vile]

Crushed.

[Justin]

And I think a lot of people are so scared of getting their heart crushed that they're just going to come up with a swag gap instead.

[Leia]

You know what?

[Michaela]

You guys also don't have, like, real good rom coms. And I kind of think that that kind of is what, like, raised our generation where it was like, well, we'll. We'll be blind to red flags.

[Justin]

I'm getting a Meg Ryan haircut from the 90s.

[Nick Vile]

I need an update rip rob.

[Justin]

I know.

[Mary]

I just saw Reese Witherspoon being like, they need to make more rom coms.

[Nick Vile]

Bring back those toxic relationships we all used to, like, fall in love with or just fall like, are you gaslighting me, guys? Start getting heartbroken. Fall in love. Get out there. Just get messy. Just like, you know, messy.

[Sierra]

You know who is successfully dating? And we can end here. Taylor Frankie Paul.

[Nick Vile]

Is Taylor Frankie Paul engaged?

[Mary]

Someone posted on TikTok being like, because Taylor Frankie Paul posted last night was one of the best nights of my life. Can't wait to talk about it in six months. LMFAO giving.

[Nick Vile]

They had the proposal giving a little Thanksgiving. She said yes.

[Mary]

Maybe she's engaged to someone. Then we have someone make a TikTok being like, I think Taylor Frankie Paul is engaged. Michaela Matthews likes said TikTok. Guess who was Jessica. Michaela Taylor confirmed she's back with the girls.

[Nick Vile]

So, I mean, listen, you know, I don't know who's in charge these days, but every, you know, every season, like, you have the executive producers making a decision depending on the storyline. Sometimes, like when I was the bachelor, it was like, well, this guy was the unlucky in love bachelorette. So did he actually find love this time? Did he not? Is he still a lonely loser? Tune in Monday night to find out. So I wasn't allowed to say that I found love.

[Sierra]

Right.

[Nick Vile]

You know, because it was like he could. He really could be still down a lonely loser. Like, this could be his fate. Other seasons, the lead's been allowed to been like, I am, I'm. I'm happily engaged. Tune in to find out who I picked and follow my journey. Me so.

[Michaela]

Oh, my God, I can't wait for this season.

[Justin]

I would buy a T shirt that said lonely loser.

[Nick Vile]

I know it probably would crush for Gen Z Merch Lonely.

[Justin]

Loser.

[Nick Vile]

Well, it's our favorite time. You know what we're talking about. It's time to celebrate the holidays with the household. Brought to you by Amazon. Last week, we decorated this beautiful studio with the help of Rufus, Amazon's AI And I gotta say, Rufus crushed it.

[Michaela]

Absolutely stunning.

[Nick Vile]

Stunning here. Well, this week we are playing some secret Santa. And wouldn't you know it, my wife and I got each other.

[Michaela]

We are just so connected.

[Nick Vile]

Connected and just mind, body, spirit. We are.

[Mary]

I said, give me Mary and I got my husband. Yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry.

[Michaela]

I got Mary.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

So. Yeah, well.

[Mary]

And you're in good hands.

[Michaela]

You're in good hands.

[Justin]

That's. I got Justin.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Oh, yeah.

[Sierra]

And she knows me well.

[Nick Vile]

Well, as a little reminder, all of these gifts are under $50 because we're all shopping on a budget, as most people are this holiday season. Wouldn't she know it? But Amazon's got some great options at amazing prices. I think you'll be shocked at what we were able to get for under $50 through the help of Rufus. AI. Emma, who's going first?

[Mary]

I feel like you go first. So as soon as I pulled Nick out of the hat, I was like, oh, my gosh, I've already got all of my ideas spent on our actual Christmas together. I have no idea. I'm ide it out, you know? So I went to Rufus, Amazon's AI assistant, and I was like, like, rufus, how are you? First, of course, I had to check in.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Mary]

And then I was like, what do I get? My husband, who is super stressed, always is asking for a massage and my hands are so tired, you know? And Rufus, you got me, responded with a masseuse. Well, why don't you just take her.

[Justin]

Under $50 and see a heating pad?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yay.

[Mary]

A shoulder heating pad.

[Nick Vile]

A shoulder heating pad.

[Mary]

Yeah, you can feel held and taken care of.

[Nick Vile]

It just wraps around my shoulder.

[Mary]

It just gives you, like a nice warm hug.

[Michaela]

And the stress just stress away.

[Nick Vile]

I didn't even want a masseuse. This is so much better.

[Mary]

You're welcome.

[Nick Vile]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Mary]

Well, don't thank me. Thank you, thank you.

[Nick Vile]

But thank you, sweetheart.

[Mary]

You are welcome.

[Nick Vile]

I will appreciate it.

[Mary]

And I can't wait to use that tonight. So I will be borrowing that.

[Michaela]

The gift that keeps.

[Mary]

Are you ready for me to go?

[Nick Vile]

Yep.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Mary]

So what did Nick get?

[Nick Vile]

Oh, thank you, Rufus.

[Mary]

AI Lip tint. How did you know?

[Sierra]

Rufus, I'm jealous. I've been wanting this one for a while.

[Mary]

Oh, my gosh.

[Michaela]

It's true. Justin what shade?

[Nick Vile]

I've been using Rufus for a long time now, to be honest, because I don't have any good ideas.

[Justin]

What did you ask Rufus?

[Nick Vile]

Like, what do you get? The smartest, most sophisticated, most glamorous, most refined, most beautiful woman in the world with amazing qualities and beautiful lips.

[Mary]

And Rufus responded with lip gloss, of course.

[Leia]

Period.

[Nick Vile]

There's only one answer. What do you give the girl who has it all? Lip gloss.

[Mary]

So true. Well, thank you so much. I'm so glad I got my lip gloss. And are you so glad that you got it?

[Nick Vile]

I'm using it already in my mind, yeah.

[Justin]

You know what I really, really love about these kinds of gifts is that I think Rufus sees that a lot of gifts for your husband are just gifts for you.

[Mary]

And that's all it is at the end of the day.

[Sierra]

I was gonna say also, once you reach level of being a couple, isn't each person's gift just both of our gifts?

[Justin]

Exactly.

[Sierra]

You know what I mean?

[Nick Vile]

This is an amazing gift because my shoulders are tight and tired constantly. And while my wife certainly will use this gift, I do appreciate it.

[Mary]

Something about Nick that y' all don't know is sometimes.

[Nick Vile]

Don't tell him.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Tell us.

[Mary]

Sometimes he gets these things that we call the chilies to the point where the chilies and they usually happen in moments where you might be naked, where he gets so cold that he likes to go. He has to go and get the blow dryer and stand in front of the blow dryer and blow himself until his body regulates. But he, like, is like his whole body is shaking.

[Nick Vile]

He gives her the egg. It's gross.

[Mary]

Well, now you have a heating pad. So now you can use your heating pad when you get the chilies and you don't have to use electricity from.

[Nick Vile]

It's a great gift, babe. I really appreciate it.

[Sierra]

I love you.

[Mary]

You're welcome. I love you, too. And you can use my peptide at any time.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah, get a little glossy anytime.

[Mary]

We can share it.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Little plum.

[Nick Vile]

All right, well, we are going to continue to celebrate the holidays with the household next week when Mary, Justin, and Sierra exchange their secret Santa gifts. So that be sure to tune in then to find out what else you get under 50.

[Justin]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick Vile]

That's really the big key here.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Nick Vile]

You know, how creative can you get.

[Sierra]

And how so much, by the way.

[Nick Vile]

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[Nick Vile]

Vicki, welcome back to the show.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I know. Thanks for having me. Last time I was in Port of yard on the beach, and I didn't know who you were. Now I've met you.

[Leia]

Now we're on the beach.

[Nick Vile]

Well, now my team wanted to have some fun and they decorated the studio in honor of your return. I. I told Leia that this, this is giving Hawaii and not Mexico. And it is. And that she should culturally know the difference.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah, we don't wear hula skirts in Mexico.

[Michaela]

By now, it's just beach.

[Leia]

It's just beach.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I got it.

[Mary]

And she's not impressed.

[Nick Vile]

So you may not still know who I am, but it doesn't really matter because you now are back on the Real Housewives of oc. And let's just give it up for a round of applause for our queen, Vicki Gunvon.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Oh, my God. Scared, are you? I'll be fine. I'll be fine. I'm actually excited about coming back. Sometimes when I got another contract, I wasn't too excited, but I'm excited now.

[Nick Vile]

In all seriousness, Vicki, you know, obviously, thanks for joining us and I'm glad you're excited. But like, to your point, and, and Jo aside, is there a level of like. Because I think it could be both, right? You can be like, really excited to be back and then kind of like, holy shit, what did I just do that I really need this? Like, you've been, you know, your life is. From what we can gather, you're living your best life. You're having fun. Last time we talked to you, you're having lunch on the beaches of Mexico. Like, it's kind of like. I remember when they asked me to be the Bachelor, and I was coming off of a popular season on paradise, and I remember. I remember saying to the producers, like, shouldn't I quit while I'm ahead? Turns out, I guess I shouldn't have, but, like, yeah. How are you feeling, Vicky? It sounds like more excited than nervous, but, like, yeah, just love to get your. Inside your head.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I don't like the way the show has turned the last few years. I think it's just become meaningless. And there's a lot of beautiful and wonderful things you can watch on TV and listen on podcasts. And whenever I tried to turn on rhoc, I was like, I'm wasting an hour of my time. This is ridiculous. I couldn't follow what was going on. I think a lot of the fault is the producers that come in and they're trying to create some crazy drama trauma that wasn't even there. So I look at it from a different perspective on. I thought we were supposed to be showcasing our real lives, not being detectives on what we said and what we lied about. And it just. To me, it just has become stupid. And the majority of the people that I speak with, like, you gotta come on and get the stupid out. When things are going around in a circle and you can't follow who's mad at who and why. Is this what life is about? No. So my hopes is that we can bring it back to, you know, real issues that people are having in their lives, whether it's raising kids, whether it's kids that are sick, whether it's marriage problems, whether it's building businesses. Like, I never even anticipated I was gonna fight with somebody when I went on reality tv. It was not even part of the rules. I mean, we're just living our life, so. Oh, my God, I look awful.

[Nick Vile]

You look great.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I have no makeup. I worked out this morning. I'm like, oh, fuck. I get to do the stupid Nick Viles thing again. I don't know what I'm doing and what I'm. Again, what's in it for me?

[Mary]

That is plural.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

And here we are again. Isn't that your name? Vials, Vials, Vials. Viles.

[Nick Vile]

We're keeping it all in. That's okay.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Like this. What did. What did Olivia sign me up for again? Now what am I doing? I'm like, how is this benefiting me?

[Mary]

Hello. Hello.

[Nick Vile]

Well, I mean, Listen, Vicki, I don't know. Maybe it's a coincidence, maybe it's not, but, you know, you did the interview, you were on the vial files, and now you're back on Housewives.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Well, that is the reason.

[Nick Vile]

Well, I'm not saying it's the reason, but it's not. Not the reason.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

That's what we're going to stick to.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

And right before you got your orange, I ran into you at BravoCon, and maybe that had something to do with it. Probably not, but I like to think that we make a great team and we don't even know it.

[Leia]

He actually put the orange in Andy's pocket.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

It was in his back pants, but, okay.

[Nick Vile]

Still a pocket.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Oh, God, that's funny.

[Nick Vile]

But, Vicki, you make great points. Honest. Like, everything you just said about Housewives. I think many fans listening right now are. Are. Are clapping their hands and snapping their fingers because, yeah, I think we are getting a little frustrated and annoyed with, like, following story lines that seem to be created by, like, bloggers or even, honestly, sometimes, like, podcasts. It's like, we love doing interviews, and, like, certainly, you know, when you come on the show or Tamara comes on the show or Katie, whoever, we're certainly going to ask questions about each other's peers and things like that, but we never expect to become storylines on shows and sometimes see that happening where it's just like, whoa, let's just like, I.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Know it's so stupid, like, why are we doing this? But I am, you know, even that. What was the girl's name, the other podcaster, that her name kept being brought up and up and up. What was it?

[Michaela]

Tiki?

[Leia]

Monique?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I was say caddy, but like, that. Turn the channel. This is ridiculous. I don't. I can't waste time. We all have a very limited amount of time. If we work all day, we come home, we're going to turn something on that inspires us or makes us laugh. I don't want to get out of Ouija board and figure out who's mad at who and why we're doing this. It's not really an Ouija board. What is it called? Like Scrabble or something? We're getting clue. Oh.

[Mary]

What did you think of the. The reunion ending of the last season where it was basically like, Tamra is calling and telling everyone what's going on. Allegedly.

[Michaela]

Or leaking storylines.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I was with Tamara yesterday, and fortunately, unfortunately, I didn't. I didn't watch it because it's. It's wasted energy. I literally have a couple hours at the end of the day after I get home from work and I'm not going to turn on crap. When I got some of the clips of it, I was like, what? Whose voice is that? And why are they acting like they've been talking to? It was very confusing and very weird. I don't know if it was set up. I don't know who's behind it. She thinks it's a certain somebody. So I don't know. I, I, I don't know. I think it's all ridiculous. This, this cryptid voice. Why?

[Mary]

Yeah, it was very like Spies Undercover, you know, like Auto tune.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

That's not what this show is about. Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Well, now, have you had any conversations with any of the producers yet in terms of like the role you want to play or your expectations or, you know, any of this type of nonsense that you're frustrated with? Have you spoken with them about what you hope to accomplish? Okay, you have? Yeah. Do you feel good about your ability to come in and make Big Splash and change the direction of this show in a positive way?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

It will be changed. Hold up, my battery's going dead. FML.

[Mary]

FML T T Y L B R B oh, okay.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I just had to put my surge suppressor on. Oh God. Because it was off. So anyway, yeah, I've talked to them. They know my stance on it. It's been the same stance forever. So we'll see. We'll see how? I mean, I want to be the EP and I just want to take.

[Mary]

Over you and Shannon still thick as thieves.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah, Shannon, we don't get to see each other much. I mean, she stays in her little bubble of 5 mile radius. I venture out everywhere. She likes Newport Crone Del Mar and she doesn't really go out very often outside of that circle. Love her to death, but, you know, a lot of the Newport Beach, Coron Del Mar people just don't leave. They don't go over the bridge.

[Mary]

So what were you and Tamara doing last night?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

We went to. Oh my God, Yesterday. We had the TMZ bus all day and then we went to three bars, went to Abby the Saddleback and another one. And then afterwards we went to Craig's for dinner and then afterwards I had to go to with Christian Snow, my podcast friend, guy person. We had another charity event that we went to and I forget the name was for children, you know, so we went across you and my boyfriend Micha said, don't ever book me that long. All day long. I mean, we left at 9am didn't get home till 10pm oh, my goodness. And I have. I've not one Christmas decoration up. I have not one Christmas present bought. So we've just been traveling and doing like a Sunday or Saturday. I would normally do that stuff and I haven't.

[Nick Vile]

So are you. Do you like Christmas shopping? Are you a good gift giver?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I am, but I need time. I don't want to be rushed, so I might just do a lot online.

[Nick Vile]

What's the perfect gift you can receive?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I want my love tank filled. I don't like receiving gifts. I like giving gifts. So I don't know.

[Mary]

You don't like receiving gifts?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I don't need anything. I buy whatever I want.

[Nick Vile]

And how could one fill your love tank?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Vicki, just be kind to me. Be nice to me. Don't cause drama when there isn't any. I mean, that's my truth. I don't like crap. I don't like crap in my life. I don't like people in my life that are backstabbers. I don't. I don't. You know, for me, it's just love, love and be kind.

[Mary]

Well, we have a cute little game we thought would be fun to play with you called Hot Mic with Vicki Gumbelson.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Okay.

[Mary]

And it's just a couple questions and we'll just get your Hot Mic take on it.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Oh, my God. I look awful.

[Mary]

You don't look awful.

[Leia]

You really don't.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

You guys, you're getting made up and I'm sitting. Okay, I'm putting this camera way far away and I'm going to Vicki, I don't have.

[Nick Vile]

I. I woke up with no hot shower in our house today, and I didn't get to take a shower.

[Mary]

Oh, it smells really bad.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

My desert house didn't have.

[Nick Vile]

I'm wearing a hat that. So.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

My desert house didn't have gas for a month. So we were, like, camping. It's.

[Leia]

Oh, my God.

[Nick Vile]

Oh, my LA house.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

What happened?

[Nick Vile]

I don't know.

[Mary]

The. He was trying to do some dishes this morning.

[Nick Vile]

Trying to do some dishes today. It didn't work. And then I tried to go reset the hot water heater and it said Error 45, which apparently is a leak.

[Mary]

Oh, no.

[Justin]

Here's our game hotline with Vicky Gunvalson.

[Mary]

Who's a bigger villain, Tamra or Katie?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

You're gonna get me in trouble. I'm not. Take the fifth. I mean, seriously, I don't. I don't even know why people are mad at Katie. So I can't. I don't even understand that who's lying? What's lying? I agree with you.

[Justin]

I don't.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I don't know. I don't know why. Why that went so weird with Katie. I went to dinner with her and Tamara last night or Friday night with our guys, and we're like, what happened? Because I don't. I don't. I can't follow it. It's stupid to me.

[Michaela]

Gretchen Ross. That's what happened.

[Mary]

Do you think Katie should come back to oc?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I know she really wants to, so for me, if anybody really wants to, then they should.

[Mary]

I agree.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I don't know why she would want to. I asked her that question. Why would you want to after what was done to you? I want to redeem myself. Like, this isn't a redeeming show. No.

[Mary]

Well, if she's. If she's coming back with a little bit more you and Tamra kind of behind her, maybe she'll have.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I don't know. I don't know what happened this season. I don't get it. Why. Why was everybody so mad at her?

[Leia]

Her.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I don't know. Catch her in lies, I guess. Everybody lies. Get over it.

[Mary]

Get over it.

[Nick Vile]

I mean.

[Michaela]

No.

[Nick Vile]

Mickey makes a great point. It's sometimes confusing watching Housewives and someone's. One episode, someone's being canceled, Housewife style for being a liar. And I'm just like. I don't condone lying. But to your point, Vicki, is. Don't they all kind of do that a little bit?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Sometimes things get confusing when you are filming a show. Like, you said that xyz. I'm like, I don't remember saying it, but if I did, okay, I, you know, just.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Did we kill somebody or did we hurt somebody? No. So the rest of the stuff is minutia.

[Mary]

Is Heather Dubrow actually funny?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I wouldn't put Heather in the funny category, but I put Heather in the. She's nice. I mean, Heather Dubrow have a really great relationship. I wouldn't put her in funny.

[Mary]

Okay. Why hasn't Shannon found a man?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I don't think she wants to. There's a lot of men out in Orange County. Remember, she stays in Newport beach and they're recycled. So, you know, know, they just.

[Nick Vile]

Do you think Shannon's funny? Because I think she's one of the funniest people. Her physical comedy is amazing, and she always brightens my day with a laugh.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Does she bring my worst really great time together? And I do think Shan's funny. I mean, sometimes I think the stuff I've seen of her on the show. Like, is that really real or is she just trying to be funny? Like, when you try to be funny, it shows. But I do think Shan's funny. She's got a good personality and a happy personality.

[Mary]

Who is the least interesting O.C. housewife?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Oh, God, you guys are doing this to me. Like, I'm getting back on a show and I want.

[Mary]

You can play the fit. You can play the fit.

[Michaela]

I don't want.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I mean, I think they're all irrelevant.

[Mary]

Great answer. Who's the thirstiest husband in the oc? This feels like a given Slave.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, right? That was a layup. Yeah.

[Mary]

What do you think is wrong with Kellie Dodd?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I think she's just got a fiery personality. I mean, I like Kelly. Kelly's. You know, as long as Kelly likes you, everything's great. Kelly doesn't like you. Be careful. She introduced me to my boyfriend Mike. We're together almost four years now, and we have gotten together socially, her and Rick and Mike and I. And I don't spend a lot of time with Kelly, but I love Kelly. I mean, she's got a lot of quote unquote issues with anger. And there are people that have that, and I think it just comes out sometimes, you know, Know.

[Sierra]

Have you.

[Michaela]

Have you talked to Emily or Gina since receiving your orange?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

No. At BravoCon? I did. They were nice and congratulated me. I think prior to that, somebody had told me Emily's like, why would Vicki come back on? Like, and then she goes, oh, shit, you know?

[Nick Vile]

Do you think any one of your peers or co workers on OC are scared or intimidated by your return?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Well, they all should be, period. I mean, they all should be. I was out for two years filming at all, and I was two years friends. So it's been really four years, four plus years since I've been full time. And it gives you a really good evaluation to reset. Do I need to go back on the show financially? No. I have a beautiful life. I don't need to be sick because I'm filming a reality show. When I say sick, you physically get sick. When you've got so many these things that are stressful. Filming a show, running a business, doing my podcast, doing my life, which is in Puerto Vallarta and with my kids. My son's flying right now from Switzerland to lands in Orange County. I haven't seen him in a year. That's real life stuff. That is not stressful. It's happy times, you know, So I don't know. Bravo always creates and Wants to follow Good Times. I think they like more drama, divorces, you know, kids being sick, stuff like that. I. I don't subscribe to that.

[Nick Vile]

Listen, you're speaking my language, Vicki, because my favorite housewife is the housewife that, like you just said, who doesn't need it. And it isn't like. Because I feel like it's just kind of dark when you see a housewife need this and you almost feel like the network has control over them, and it just kind of gets it. It. It takes a weird turn and. And like, to your point, that's not why we got in and fell in love with this franchise. In this show, we wanted to see. See successful boss women like yourselves and their dramatic and sometimes messy lives. But we also want. We want to be inspired by people like you, Vicki.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yep. And we always have. There's messiness in all of our lives. It's. It's. Do we have to showcase it? Do we have to scream at people? Well, if they deserve to be screamed at, I'm going to scream at them. You know, I've never been with multiple partners in my life. When Lori said that to me, when Psycho bitch came out, like, no, you can't lie about me. So I become very passionate and very emotional about the truth.

[Mary]

Do you watch any other Housewife franchises?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I try, you guys. I really, really try. I just don't have a lot of time in my life. It's. And that's my choice. You know, I've got a very full life. If I'm going to do something at night, it's going to clean out a closet. It's going to do some bills, it's going to do another Excel spreadsheet. It's not turning on country Christmas music. It's not watching storylines of housewives that I can't follow because I didn't watch the four season four episodes before that. So why is everybody yelling at each other? You know, so I hate that. I want to just pop in and see inspiring things. Clothing, wardrobe, styles, homes, businesses flourishing. I want the best for everybody. And sometimes it doesn't come out like that.

[Nick Vile]

Well, you're here to save the day. What is. What is Christmas? Christmas at the gumballsons. Like, look like.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

We're gonna do Christmas services in the morning. Then we're gonna go to one of my friend's house, Tina's, and then we're gonna head over to Fleming's. Olivia, Mike's daughter, is gonna have. She set us up for Flemings. And then afterwards, we're going to I'm not entertaining this year. This is very rare. But we're going. And then Christmas Day, we head to the condo in Mexico, so we'll be there for a while. In January, I go to Florida. I'm getting inducted into the hall of Fame for insurance and my yellow jacket.

[Sierra]

Wait, wait.

[Nick Vile]

Tell us more about that, Vicki.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah. So insurance companies, top producers, and being a woman in the business is very rare. Doesn't matter if you hit a certain number, which is $100 million of production, you get into the hall of Fame. So I hit it this year, and I'm being inducted into the hall of Fame, and I get my yellow jacket and walk the stage in a beautiful ball gown, and I'm excited. And that'll be in Orlando, Florida, on January 8th.

[Nick Vile]

Give it up for.

[Mary]

That's amazing.

[Nick Vile]

Okay. I don't think. I don't think people acknowledge this as much. I mean, again, like this, you know, are. Some would say the original housewife of it all. You started the whole damn thing, and yet here you are, so many years later, still prioritizing your business, your life, your career. You didn't stop. You didn't become whatever it is it means to now be an influencer.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Have a cigarette, right?

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

And you've always bet on yourself, and you've never. You've never needed this experience. And that's so cool and so amazing that you accomplished that. So congratulations on a phenomenal career.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

And as a caveat, there's less than 1% of the people in the industry get this level. And then 1/10 of 1% are women. So when you look at those numbers, I'm very unusual. But I've never stopped working. I mean, you guys saw me probably in the limo, working, selling insurance online. I do more advisors, advisor planning to retirees now. I've kind of shifted the practice. My son runs my life insurance division. So when you look at all that, I had to keep that going through a divorce, keep my business going. 34 years, still in the business. We're still a leader in the industry. It's not been easy. But that's why when people say, what'd you think about last night's episode? I'm like, don't care about that. I care about this lady who has cancer and she needs me to handle her, you know, claims for her benefits, or somebody wants to get insurance because their husband just died and they didn't have life insurance. And so all those things I'm constantly thinking about, how can I better the world or the industry? And being the top leader. They'll come to me for.

[Nick Vile]

You have a division?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yep.

[Mary]

When do y' all pick up filming? Can you say? Do you know?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I think it's mid February. We don't have an exact date yet, but it'll be mid February. And I'm going to do the girls trip, like four days before that. And then a little caveat. So I'm going on the girls trip January 18th through the end of January. And then I head to Mexico from New York, and I've got to get my permanent resident card renewed because you go temporary for four years, then you go permanent. So once I get into Mexico on February, I can't leave until they stamp my card. So I told Tamara, I said you might be coming to get me in the Mexico jail, because I know when I ever do jail, I'm not doing jail. The consulate won't let me leave the country until I get my permanent resident.

[Mary]

So how are you gonna film?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Well, I won't film unless they wanna come see me in Mexico.

[Nick Vile]

Girls trip.

[Mary]

Girls trip.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

I gotta follow my reality. My reality is this.

[Nick Vile]

You're a star.

[Michaela]

Vicki, when you said girls trip, is that a girls trip that you're taking on your own? Or are you part of the ultimate.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Girls trip with Shed Media Y?

[Mary]

Oh, wow.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

That's so exciting. It'll be fun.

[Nick Vile]

There'll definitely be some Salt Lake City ladies on there.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

No, no, I'm not saying.

[Nick Vile]

Vicki, it's always an honor. It's always a pleasure. Thank you for taking the time.

[Mary]

We're hoping one of these days you'll come in person.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah, it's in la. I don't do LA unless I have to.

[Nick Vile]

You were here last night.

[Mary]

Craig's.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

And I had to because I had a commitment, but they paid for.

[Nick Vile]

Someday maybe we'll come to you.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Vicki, seriously, like, I can't do la. I don't know how you guys all live up there. It's horrible. Two hours to get back to Orange County.

[Nick Vile]

Vicki, it's always a pleasure. We really appreciate you. Please, can you. Anything you want to plug?

[Vicki Gunvalson]

No, just get that hula skirt off and do some Mexican whatevers.

[Nick Vile]

We'll let later.

[Mary]

We'll fire later.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Guys did great. Super proud of you. Merry Christmas. Happy holidays to all of you.

[Nick Vile]

Okay, don't forget to hang up this time, okay? All right.

[Justin]

Okay.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Who's that guy, anyway? All good.

[Mary]

Love you. Bye.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Okay, Bye, honey. Fight.

[Nick Vile]

What a queen.

[Mary]

So great.

[Justin]

I love her.

[Nick Vile]

You guys are getting me in trouble.

[Sierra]

All of them?

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

No, she said they're all irrelevant.

[Justin]

They're all irrelevant.

[Michaela]

I'm sorry, was that the first that we've heard of somebody being on the ultimate girls trip that was straight from the horse's mouth?

[Sierra]

I think it's the first. I do think it's the first one confirmed. There's a lot of people that have been rumored in contracts or discussions.

[Michaela]

I need to rewind.

[Mary]

Well, we have the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills to get into and Southern Charm. So that is up next.

[Nick Vile]

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[Justin]

Okay.

[Mary]

Anyways, we've got fun shows to cover. Southern charm, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills. What should we do first? Charm. Charm. I really felt like, and Nick said this while we were watching the Craig and Austin that they were very much like, this is how you do it, ladies. Like Charlie, that Allie, Molly.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, it really maybe they were diva ing out. It was so unbelievable. For two 40 year old men to be acting that way in public on camera, I couldn't help but wonder if they were like, hey, here's a scene. We've been doing this for a long time, everyone. You're welcome.

[Leia]

How you do reality.

[Nick Vile]

This is how you do reality tv. That's how it felt.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Do have a rapid recap for it. If you missed the most recent episode. Episode of Real House.

[Justin]

Oh.

[Mary]

Of Real Housewives of Southern Charm.

[Michaela]

For sure.

[Nick Vile]

This was the. This was an episode of the Real Housewives of Southern Charm was starring Craig Conover and Austin.

[Mary]

Yes. Name. Craig and Austin are still fighting and making everyone feel weird. Charlie seems to be fine with it though, and still flirts with Craig. Craig also is flirting with Sally. Then Craig gets drunk and brings up Shep having dirt on Austin. Allegedly around. Everyone gets mad at him except Sally and the party is ruined. Also, Molly calls Sally of a piece. Pick me, Charlie. Jess wants Craig to make a goddamn move on her and stop talking about Austin. Shep feels bad and telling Craig that Austin feels like his friends betrayed him, but his cats are cute. Madison also thinks Craig and Shep are trying to sabotage him.

[Leia]

I don't feel like Charlie is really coming on to Craig so much.

[Justin]

I feel like Craig is really coming on to Charlie.

[Leia]

Sally is coming on to Craig. Craig is coming on.

[Mary]

It felt like after Charlie, it's more.

[Nick Vile]

Of a train than a triangle.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Fight with Austin.

[Leia]

She was like, yeah, she seemed to have gotten the ick. And then I was shocked to hear that.

[Justin]

Getting the ick. And then she's still hanging out with.

[Leia]

Well, yeah, I was shocked to hear that she went to the hot tub because I was like, Charlie's got the ick.

[Nick Vile]

I think everyone, especially the ladies, need to reclaim the phrase pick me. Okay, I'm over it.

[Justin]

Continue.

[Nick Vile]

I'm over it. Back to when we were talking Gen Z earlier this episode. Like, I get it. I, you know, I've been a Pick me. I get it. Sometimes in our emo, in our relationship journeys, in our pursuit for love, we get wrapped up in our emotions and we maybe aren't our best selves. And sometimes, yes, we give a little too much for the people we're pursuing in. In the. In. In the pursuit of romance and love. But I feel like that word has been like weaponized and turned against the people who like, are just like, yeah, like maybe you're just wanting to find love. They're in love. And maybe, yes, sometimes they lose their boundaries a little bit. They sometimes choose the romantic partners over their friends. Because let's be honest, it. Once you find that person, that's what you want to do. You want to choose your partner. You want to say, hey, guys, can't go out tonight. I'm going to be with my family. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's like. And now it's just like, oh, my God. He or she just like they, they want to find love. You know, they, and I get it. That I understand. We all have had friends who, like, will, like, sometimes feel like we're stabbed in the back, but, like, I think it's often with good intentions, you know? And like, now we're just like, anytime soon. Someone who just really goes for someone who really wants to find love. Maybe as, as Sally has pointed out, she's not feeling her best self. Her friends, her peers are married. They have what she wants. They have kids. She wants that. And maybe she's just a little, you know, anxious. But I don't think we need to start, like, name calling her, like, and, and demonizing her. Like, oh, she's such a pick me. She's a bad, you know, and all the things that come with that label these days, days, and what it means to be a pick me. And especially when you're called that by other women and like, just like, how, like, ugly that word has become. I'm just saying I think we need to, like, stop doing it.

[Justin]

I feel like pick me is a very specific thing, and I think it's overused.

[Nick Vile]

I think it was initially a specific thing, but now it's like, used for anyone who's just like, a little like.

[Mary]

You know, the comment about hooking up with Austin the second him and Audrey were break up. A little bit of a pick me comment.

[Nick Vile]

I'm not saying she's not demonstrating these qualities, and I, I, I understand.

[Justin]

I'm just saying, like, we should just be nice.

[Mary]

Just be nice. Be nice.

[Justin]

Let her around and find out.

[Nick Vile]

I'm not saying I don't know where this accusation's coming from. I just think.

[Leia]

Are you just saying to, to like, the word pick me shouldn't be so negative because, like, she is.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, I don't think we need it. Well, yeah, we need it for sure. Yeah.

[Mary]

I just think it's sitting with Craig.

[Nick Vile]

What could does it like?

[Mary]

I just think you're so great. And he was like, really?

[Leia]

Yeah. He's like, who doesn't. What do you mean?

[Justin]

I feel like, pick me. Like, what I understand pick me as is very specific in the way that women Sometimes when they're trying to impress a man will throw other women under the bus in order to do do so. That to me is what a pick me.

[Nick Vile]

So and again, I think we've all men have been pick me's, you know, like we've.

[Michaela]

I thought that was being like a.

[Mary]

Guy'S girl, like not a girl's girl. And whatever is the label that is.

[Justin]

A guy's girl is a pick me. Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

You know, if you were to get.

[Justin]

On, I guess you could argue that Sally is kind of doing that with Vanita a little bit. But also not. I don't know if I would consider by the like what my definition of a pick me is. Sally.

[Nick Vile]

I was thinking about it because obviously.

[Justin]

The phrase just wants to fudge Craig.

[Nick Vile]

The phrase pick me is more in that like the women's fear. Right. It's like other women calling women pick me. It's like, oh, they're centering men over women, et cetera, et cetera. And understand there's a lot of history behind, you know, that label. But like, again, like me, I've been that person. I have centered women over my men relationships. When I was like in the pursuit of love and you know, I was like choosing people who I didn't feel like looking back maybe deserved that. But like a guy not being a pick me is just a fuckboy. The guy who's this like can always chose his bros. Always like it's the bros over that, you know, and it's just like, you know, sometimes there is a situation where you want to like, be like, you know what? I'm going to choose this over that. I, oh, don't always have to do the bro thing, you know, I don't have to be with the girls. Like again, it's. If you are someone who wants to like, find a love that lasts forever, you're going to have to like, you know, prioritize that. And I think a lot of people who are quote unquote, pick me are trying to figure out what that means for them. They're trying to figure out what it means to like give themselves to someone and really choose them. And like, maybe we go about it in unproductive ways and maybe we mess up and realize that person didn't deserve it. But I think sometimes I think Sally just wants to find someone and how she's going about it maybe isn't the best way and maybe she needs to recalibrate her choices. But I think it's met with such mean intentions to call someone a pick Me at these days. It's just kind of.

[Michaela]

I also.

[Justin]

It's interesting to talk about this with the context of, like, what Madison was saying about Craig and basically how, like, Craig and Shep broke up Madison and Austin. And it's kind of like, I think so much of the. When we call people, pick me. Or we, like, criticize our friends starting to get into relationships. I think there's a certain time in which, like, a single friend will, like, try to sabotage their friend's relationship because they, like, want them to be in the same field as them. Or sometimes, like, a friend of yours that's in a relationship is, like, gonna be a little weird if you're flirting with someone because in the back of their mind, they, like, still want to have that option. So it's just interesting to watch this dynamic at play between Austin and Craig because that's kind of of, like, what's happening of, like, Craig is mad that Austin's in a relationship and he's not, and Austin is mad that Craig's get gets to be single and he's not.

[Michaela]

Right.

[Mary]

But it is weird that, like, we had this very vulnerable Craig last season opening up to Austin about his addiction struggles and Austin being like, dude, I just wish you'd come out more. And he. I. All I care about is making money, prioritizing my health and my girlfriend. Granted, he doesn't have the girlfriend anymore to. But it's like. Like, watching himself this season must be hard for him to, like, see him go so back.

[Michaela]

The regression.

[Leia]

Yeah, it is interesting, though. Like, I was definitely team Austin until cred brought that scene back up where Austin was the whole last season giving him for, like, not coming out and not whatever. And then now it's like, he just can't win almost.

[Michaela]

I think Craig lost the plot for me when he's screwed screaming from across the table about, like, Shep's gonna say something that goes crazy. Like, Shep did.

[Justin]

My boy. Shep did not deserve to.

[Nick Vile]

No, no, Justin for justice for Austin.

[Michaela]

Justice for us.

[Justin]

Justice for Austin.

[Leia]

I said justice for chef.

[Justin]

Well, wasn't trying to bring that up on camera. He put in a position, but then.

[Nick Vile]

He kept doing it.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Leia]

Then he went.

[Nick Vile]

He could have been like, I don't know what the you're talking about, because.

[Leia]

It would have been weirder if. If Craig just brought that up out of nowhere, and then he just left it to, like, our devices to. To, like, wonder what that was.

[Mary]

No. Shep should have sitting at that table when Vanita's like, shep what do you have on Austin? He should have been like, you know what? I need to talk to Austin. I don't need to, like, say it at this table full of people. No, I need to go inside and talk to Austin on.

[Nick Vile]

Well, they're. They're filming a show. He.

[Michaela]

On no table first.

[Leia]

He did. I didn't see him.

[Nick Vile]

No. If we're. If we're, like, acknowledging that this is a tv. TV show.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

And these people are real friends. Been have friends for years. Right. And all of a sudden, you're filming a scene and you're caught up in a moment where all of a sudden your alleged friend says, I can ruin your life with a rumor, and then puts that rumor out there and says, oh, this. Our other friend's gonna say this rumor. Like, no, if.

[Sierra]

If.

[Nick Vile]

If you're a chef. I'd been like, I don't. I would just lie and been like, I don't know what I'm talking about. I would then go speak to my friends off, like, when. When the cameras go away. I've been like that. Right.

[Justin]

But then the. But Craig went nuclear, though, because he already said Shep heard a rumor that could ruin your life. So regardless of what Shep says, Shep's on the top. Like, Shep's in it now.

[Leia]

But then Shep basically, like, it was a rumor. It's completely unfounded. It's completely. Like, it is not true. I know it's not true. This is what was said, and I know it's not true.

[Nick Vile]

Like, you didn't say he knows it's not true.

[Leia]

This is completely un.

[Nick Vile]

He said, there's nothing. I don't know anything.

[Sierra]

Anything.

[Nick Vile]

I didn't talk to them. He said, I don't think verified. I don't want to hear it. But he can't say whether it's true or not. He just pointed out there are two random women he came across.

[Michaela]

Called them in New York.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Moron girls.

[Nick Vile]

You call them the morons.

[Mary]

That seemed unnecessary.

[Nick Vile]

If they're lying. If they're lying.

[Leia]

Let's not call women morons.

[Michaela]

Especially if you were clearly entertaining them enough to hear this entire story.

[Mary]

They didn't just, like, stop you on the street. Like, my friend's Austin.

[Nick Vile]

Well, if they're lying, they're more.

[Leia]

Don't tell me anything.

[Michaela]

If they're lying.

[Mary]

If they're lying. But it seemed Austin, it. It was a funny Austin, but the way Craig seemed like he was like.

[Nick Vile]

But it's so ugly because when you're like, first of all, When Craig's saying that and then we hear the rumor, I'm like, how would that ruin his life?

[Michaela]

Literally.

[Nick Vile]

But in the context of Bravo, think about it like, this isn't. This is Bravo. San Scan Mandeval is not that far removed, man. Cheating on girlfriend is like Persona non grata. You don't do it, especially in this space.

[Michaela]

It has a history that.

[Nick Vile]

And I'm just saying, I think, like, the. The. I think what Craig meant by that is like, is scandal, in a way, is this that, like, you know, this has ruined other people's lives. Men being unfaithful in the TV world. And that's a cr. That was crazy, Crazy, crazy thing for Crane to put out there.

[Michaela]

Crazy thing to do. And it's like. And I think they did show a montage of, like, his old past freakouts and whatnot. But I was like, yeah, it's kind of sad watching. To Madison's point. It's sad watching this regression because I genuinely believed the hype of last year. And then it's like, okay, with Sam's page. Sorry, gonna say it, but it's like, so no one's keeping you intact because she hid the fact that he was kicked out of the Betula's wedding. She's pretty much revamped his entire style. Who he is as a person. Her entire focus is about business and being a boss woman. And he did exactly what she did. Now that he doesn't have a female counterpart, it's like, okay, well, I'm out Jacuzzi until whatever, making shots with my hands, and I'm going to fight with my friends in the middle of a party like a baby bitch.

[Leia]

And you can tell that, like, Sally, Sally, maybe Charlie too, like, recognized that.

[Mary]

That, like, Paige, they went, oh, no.

[Leia]

But they're also, like, they're trying to, like, put Craig in his place in a way where it's like you can tell that they're. You know what I mean? They know that that's what he's missing right now. And I could want to be that for him.

[Mary]

Him being like, oh, why is Shep doing this? Like, when Shep went in to talk to Austin and he was like, I'm leaving. I'm not being a part of this.

[Michaela]

It's like, you started.

[Mary]

Exactly.

[Leia]

You did it. Greg did it.

[Mary]

That's what I'm saying.

[Leia]

Justice for Shep. Like, Craig did it. I think she didn't know how to handle it.

[Nick Vile]

I don't think he's ever done anything wrong, but I definitely think it's More. I'm just gonna just. Well, now Austin. The benefit of the doubt because of it.

[Mary]

And now Austin's sitting at the dog park with Molly being like, can you.

[Nick Vile]

Call him and see if I'm Austin? I would also be a little frustrated with Chef. A vet.

[Mary]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick Vile]

A veteran TV maker.

[Michaela]

He was he. Because he was pretty much like, so.

[Leia]

The first person you call when you.

[Mary]

Get this information is calling Craig.

[Michaela]

You know, we.

[Justin]

That was Shep's biggest mistake.

[Michaela]

100%.

[Nick Vile]

I don't. I think. I think Shep. I think unintentionally, Craig seemed malicious in this.

[Leia]

Craig and Austin's relationship is so, like, up and down that they could have been on great terms when Shep went to Craig with this. You know what I mean?

[Michaela]

Like, yeah, I was like, I think Shep felt safe because of Craig's reaction to it, which was, hey, we need to protect Austin's piece, and we don't need him to know about this. So I think that Shep genuinely believed that Craig was going to keep that in the vault.

[Mary]

I think Craig is valid in the sense. Sense that Austin triggers him. And I think Austin pokes and he nags, and he knows what he needs to do to get under Craig's skin. And I think he does it intentionally to, like, get a rise out of Craig and then plays a little bit of the victim.

[Justin]

Yeah, that's a good point.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

I will say that I'm like, after many seasons of Craig having freakouts that I'm like, they should know by now. Craig doesn't really take the jokes the.

[Nick Vile]

Way that on a lot of guy friends, they'll have relationships.

[Mary]

Me off more than, like, you. Yeah. Someone's sitting within earshot, and you can hear them talking about you.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Like, the snide little, like, shady comments. Like, nothing pisses me off more. So I can't imagine, like, a drunk Craig who, like, being in that moment and. And Austin continuing to do that. I mean, them sitting at the table and him, like, keeping it going with Madison. It is just a little bit, like, just drop it. Let's just stop.

[Michaela]

It's almost like the, like, group therapy that they all need to go through to, like, cleanse from every past season. Because even when they do the callbacks, it's like, at first, I feel bad for Austin and I feel bad for Craig, but then it's like, looking back, I'm like, oh, my God.

[Leia]

Wait.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Craig and Shep went season after season berating Austin about his relationship with Madison, calling her every name under the Book. We won't be friends if you're still going to be dating this girl. And it's like, who are you to be putting those types of terms on somebody? And now that it's like the roles are reversed or like that Austin's in a healthy relationship, it's like you guys are still picking up at.

[Mary]

Why did we spend so much time on Whitner calling his mom? That scene lasted 10 years.

[Leia]

Yeah. I'm like, very sweet, but, yeah, I.

[Nick Vile]

Think this is one of the, The, The. The worst introductions of a new character. If I am the ex. What's his name?

[Michaela]

Whitner.

[Nick Vile]

If I'm the ex of Whitner, I'm living my best life right now. Her girls are in blur. Yeah, whatever. But she knows who she is.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

But when he's talking about her.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

And your ex. I don't care if you end the relationship or not. Is now on reality tv. Is potentially going to be a star. Is potentially going to have all these women, like, go after him. That was a win for her. He. I just, I'm sorry. He's. He's just giving. Ick city.

[Leia]

He's a mama's boy.

[Nick Vile]

Right? You don't, you know, I'm sorry. Your. Your first. I, I. Listen, I love my mom as an ex as much as the next guy. We have a great relationship. We're very close. Like, I definitely could take notes from Whitner's phone calls because he's very present, and sometimes I'm like, yeah, cool, mom. All right, all right.

[Leia]

Well, present.

[Nick Vile]

I understand. But I'm sorry, it's episode two, and I hope you just have more going on in your life than be like, you know what, you know, I'm gonna do at work, I'm gonna call mom.

[Mary]

I'm gonna hold my calls. I got it.

[Nick Vile]

I'm gonna let all the women in the world see that I talked. It's just a little. It's good. It's a.

[Mary]

If I'm sorry, I need to perform for the cameras and call my mom. And even his mom was like, do.

[Leia]

You want to you.

[Mary]

Yeah, she was like. He was like, I'm just calling to talk, chat, catch up, you know, I'm sorry.

[Nick Vile]

And he wakes up every day at 4:35.

[Mary]

That.

[Leia]

That, to me is more of a mix than the voice.

[Justin]

It might be him calling his mom like that. Dare we say it's giving me behavior.

[Mary]

What's the name of his dog? Bakia.

[Leia]

I don't know. Barakis. My big thing is, like, if you're waking up at 4:30 in the morning. Clean your backyard. He like, looked at the mess and then he went, I'm gonna go on a four mile.

[Mary]

Yeah. Why are we prioritizing your run and not cleaning? Clean the party roaches.

[Nick Vile]

But her girlies are up in that group chat being like, girl, you are not missing him. Oh, my God, we are going out tonight. Ew.

[Leia]

Ick.

[Nick Vile]

He looks like a loser.

[Michaela]

Well, that's with the ritual and everything. Or his like, morning routine. I was just like, I'm. I'm still like, no woman, unless she is literally at her wit's end would be like, I'm not only calling off this thing engagement. I don't want to work on it. I don't want, like, you have to have done something.

[Nick Vile]

I don't want to do therapy. I mean, as Nick is full of. Is full of callers, mostly women saying, I'm trying to get my boyfriend slash husband slash fiance to go to therapy. He's reluctant to do.

[Michaela]

So Whitner, let's try anything.

[Nick Vile]

She's just like, nah, I'm good. I'm sorry. I'm sleeping in this morning isn't even worth the conversation.

[Mary]

I'm out of here. Go on your home.

[Nick Vile]

No, it's sad though. And we're, and obviously we are, we're. We're poking a bit of fun at our boy Whitner.

[Leia]

And I think the mama's boy thing is really cute. Think the 4:30 in the morning run is.

[Nick Vile]

He would have, he, he would have come off better if he showed up hammered and been like, I'm just a recovering boy and I just don't know what to do. And I, you know, honestly, he'd have more women up in his DMs than the guy who's like, I can't get my ex girlfriend to go to therapy with me and I'm about to call my mom.

[Leia]

This is the definition of women, like, not wanting a nice guy. This conversation right now.

[Nick Vile]

But his nice guys just almost.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Yes.

[Mary]

It's more speech at the. The birthday party. He's like another trip around the sun. And I get to do it with everyone here.

[Nick Vile]

It's too. It's.

[Leia]

I don't know, you know, these people and they are, they are fighting.

[Mary]

Like, when Madison left, she didn't even say bye to Whitner. She wasn't even like, happy birthday. So sorry, I have to leave.

[Leia]

Like, fake.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Leia]

Nobody cared that they were having this whole, like, blow up at his.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, let mom come in at the end of the season. Fake ability business call.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

You know.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Did they play hard?

[Michaela]

Happy birthday.

[Leia]

No, his mom did.

[Mary]

His mom did.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Anyways, Beverly Hills. Love you, Whitner. You're a great guest. Well, we also have Rahul size of Beverly Hills, where we also got a new cast member.

[Nick Vile]

I'm into her.

[Mary]

Amanda. I'm into her as well.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Did you see that the fans on the Internet were like, not Amanda showing up to Jennifer Tilly's party dressed as Chucky.

[Mary]

As Tiffany. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Yes.

[Justin]

The way I clock that immediately and.

[Michaela]

The way that Jennifer not only did not clock that, she calls it out and being like, oh, my God, you look like the 95 book.

[Justin]

85 book. And it's like. Yeah. And that's what you dress Tiffany in. Diva. Yep.

[Michaela]

Yes, babe.

[Mary]

And if you have no idea what we're talking about, we do have a rapid recap. Rachel Zoe's son's name is Caius and he's going to camp. Also, in typical Beverly Hills fashion, she has a slutty ex husband. In the tabloids, Kyle visits Mo's palace. She always thought it was dojo, dojo, dojo. Sutton and Erica get facials and consider what it would be like to see Tom Doradi die. Dori is worried because Jagger is sad. Introduced to the public his new housewife, Amanda, AKA the money queen. She met her husband the good old fashioned way. Cruising the streets of West Hollywood. Baby Buzz needs her daughter Lael's permission to get married. Jennifer Tilly is back, and she throws a boho chic party where the girls draw male models. Can someone say he did rivalry. Kyle defends PK being crazy towards Dorit because they're homies. I guess she's also really mad at people discussing her dating life. And then the moment we've all been waiting for, that we got so confused while waiting for it, we stopped waiting for it all together. Kyle Richards is officially soft, launching her bisexuality. Her and Morgan allegedly have apparently broken up because she didn't want to be on the show.

[Nick Vile]

No, we don't know for sure.

[Mary]

We don't know for sure.

[Nick Vile]

She could have had a whole nother relationship.

[Mary]

Maybe.

[Justin]

Maybe it was another person in Allegedly.

[Nick Vile]

I just love that we got to see Mo's bachelor pad. Yeah, it's nice because that's a bachelor pad. That thing with the view.

[Justin]

That thing with the view.

[Nick Vile]

That pool, it is he. You know how many ladies he's bringing up up there? A lot. It's not like in a subdivision surrounded by houses.

[Justin]

Literally, the.

[Michaela]

Yeah, but I want to know how he described it to Kyle, because Kyle walked in and was like, oh, he's just like.

[Nick Vile]

It's just so small. It's not like our beautiful house we have together. Break. Whatever.

[Mary]

Nothing. Stunning house. And her bringing him towels and being like, these are for our daughter, not for your hose.

[Michaela]

It needed to be said.

[Mary]

It needed to be said.

[Michaela]

It was funny. Just like the difference between, like, men and women and interior decorating, where it's just like, yes. Women are like, we need sets, we need towels, we need multiple pillows. And then men furnishing things. Like, I have one towel because I use one.

[Nick Vile]

Need a hamper for her for her clothes.

[Mary]

And no. What's so funny is that she brought the towels that say like, makeup on him. Yeah. And you know, if he brings a girl over and she hasn't watched this episode and knows that it's from Kyle, she's going to be like some girl. He's cheating on me.

[Michaela]

He's cheating on me.

[Mary]

Like, this is not like, he's not buying this.

[Nick Vile]

I don't think for a second any lady that Mo is currently bringing to his house thinks there's anything more than a really nice view in it for her.

[Sierra]

Yes.

[Mary]

You don't think there's that down anytime soon?

[Nick Vile]

I don't. I don't. I think Mo is. He might be in his fuck boy era, but he's not a player. And I don't think he needs to lie about, like, his intentions when it comes to, like, getting some ass.

[Michaela]

Oh, yeah.

[Nick Vile]

I think he's like, hey, listen, I got everything I need. I got my family, I got my kids. I'm still married and I have a wife I respect. But like, if you want to party, we can party. But like, we're not a thing. I'm not buying a jewelry and it's. I gotta. I got an early morning.

[Mary]

Literally, I got. I gotta.

[Michaela]

Not be sleeping over.

[Justin]

I gotta wake up at 4:30 and call my mom.

[Leia]

Mo's not waking up at.

[Mary]

No.

[Michaela]

I did feel bad for Durie talking about, like, what's going on between her and PK Deadbeat.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

And just like, even the. The Florida trip specifically, I was just like, evil. The idea that.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

You would be like going through a lawyer to say that you're gonna block your kids to be able to go see their grandkids. That's something that they're looking forward to. I'm just kind of like, why? Why? Just why?

[Leia]

You know what I mean? Like.

[Justin]

Yeah, it happens. The thing is, it just like it's such a common occurrence in divorces that it's just like. Like, kids get fucked.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

But like, how do you forget that? Like, this is the person that. Like not only the mother of your children, but it's like the person that you did fall in love with, the person you did spend over decades of your life with, that it's like all of a sudden, just because you guys are separating now, all of a sudden you're like, tit for tat and we're going to use the kids.

[Nick Vile]

Doesn't PK have a whole nother family?

[Sierra]

He.

[Michaela]

Oh, yeah, I forgot all about that.

[Nick Vile]

Married.

[Michaela]

He has a family in the uk.

[Nick Vile]

Like, before the re.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

Yeah.

[Mary]

That's crazy.

[Leia]

Yeah, he does that.

[Nick Vile]

Listen, some men, losers, literally, when Dorit.

[Mary]

Was talking to her parents about, like, he pays for nothing. He like, contributes nothing. I'm paying for everything. The subtitles were changed and it was like, it seemed very like law suit lawyer esque. Where the. Where the subtitles were saying, like, except.

[Sierra]

For mortgage in school, he pays for everything. Regarding the. The kids other than mortgage and school.

[Nick Vile]

But it says he pays for.

[Mary]

Well, we have to preface the subtitle said. And she was saying like, he pays for nothing.

[Sierra]

Yeah. So people noticed that this happened twice in the episode. And like, we'll preface by saying we don't know the process of like, captions and stuff. But with Peacock, the captions don't match what they're saying. So like, it continues to go. But then like, the scene won't be showing the person saying that.

[Nick Vile]

Interesting.

[Sierra]

And it happened during.

[Nick Vile]

Does that stand up in the court of law? If the person's saying something, you see the words coming out the of. Of their mouth.

[Mary]

It's kind of thing like if you. If we were to say something and slap like allegedly across it, it's like, can that really be?

[Sierra]

Like people are speculating that they cut it out of the actual episode but forgot to update the captions? Granted, we don't know if that actually happened, but it happens also during. When Kyle's talking about her relationship. You see her say that. Well, it was due to the tabloids speculating on the relationship or something along the lines of that.

[Nick Vile]

It doesn't seem like PK is really like jumping up to co parent.

[Mary]

Well, yeah, I mean, her being like, he's in town maybe every other Saturday, but he wants joint custody.

[Michaela]

It's like how even the other women were clocking it with like, send. Send the kids to Florida and if he shows up, he'll show up for A day and then be off to sand trope.

[Nick Vile]

Like, have we seen Dorit's parents before?

[Mary]

No.

[Nick Vile]

I thought this was really interesting because I feel like the Internet and some of Dorit's haters have giving her shit a la Hilaria Baldwin shit about her accent. And now after seeing this conversation with her parents, I'm like, oh, okay. Like, her parents have a heavy accent.

[Justin]

Kind of sound Israeli, and she grew up in Connecticut.

[Nick Vile]

So what? So, but if you're around, if your parents, the people you're growing up with every day have a strong accent, it's not that odd that you might have.

[Michaela]

Like, I don't know, she also lived in London.

[Nick Vile]

You might not sound like Jenny from Connecticut.

[Leia]

Either way.

[Nick Vile]

I'm just saying the Internet has very much criticized her because they know she grew up in Connecticut from. In Connecticut, and that she's not, you know, like, she's supposed to, like, sound like a white girl. And the fact that Dorit has some kind of accent that we can't really, you know, it's just. It just doesn't sound like Jenny from Connecticut that, like, now they're saying she's fraudulent. They will tease her and they make fun of her, but it's like, okay, shut the up, people.

[Michaela]

Literally, she travels. She's a woman of the the world. And then we've got Kyle, which I was like, I. I kind of wish Kyle had a little bit more empathy when it comes to Dorit. I think she doesn't hear how she sounds when she speaks to Durie. She thinks she's saying, like, okay, like, maybe, maybe not. But I'm like, the way that it sounds is like, that you're doubting Dorit's experience because you personally know pk but again, you wouldn't know PK if it wasn't for Dorit.

[Justin]

And it's also like, all of the other girls know know PK too. I think it is just because her and Duri are both going through this separation, divorce, and she has such a good relationship with Mo that she cannot fathom and put herself in Dorit's shoes that pk, someone she knows could act in a way like that to Durie. And I think she's just being. She won't see it from Dorit's perspective. It's just like, well, the PK I know would never do this.

[Vicki Gunvalson]

That.

[Justin]

And it's like, well, you weren't married to him.

[Michaela]

Right?

[Mary]

Right.

[Michaela]

And you got lucky in the sense that, like, you and Mauricio have such a great bond that like, you're divorced or it's not even divorced. Your separation isn't contentious because it's like.

[Justin]

Honestly, I feel like Kyle and Mauricio are soulmates. Just maybe not romantic soulmates.

[Michaela]

I actually did think that I was like, I could see them in like 10 years, 15 years. Moving back in together.

[Justin]

Yeah. And just being like, friends and co parents and stuff like that. Just for company. Yeah.

[Mary]

Oh, I think they definitely would, like, get back together.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Mary]

I think they're. They would, like, fall back in love.

[Justin]

Yeah. I guess.

[Mary]

Together. I don't think they'd move back in and be like, we're just buddies. Like, I think Mauricio likes if they're not going to be together.

[Justin]

This is true. I mean, who knows? And, yeah, I don't know.

[Nick Vile]

I'm just glad we got. We moved that forward.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Justin]

They're finally actually admitting to it now.

[Nick Vile]

It's a great bachelor pad.

[Sierra]

Yeah. I like Amanda. I want to hear more about her. Like, how did they get the girl that bought Kyle's house on the show? And what did she have to do to get us?

[Nick Vile]

She seems messy in a fun way.

[Justin]

I want to know what she replaced those floors with. I think that's gonna, like, really, really show if I like her or not. If the floors are ugly. Might not like her.

[Mary]

Every time she said something snarky, I was like, oh, here we go. But it was just in her confessional, so I'm like, warming up, you know, when. When all it is is just part.

[Sierra]

Of the big fights. I think according to, like, the trailer.

[Nick Vile]

She's just warming up.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

She's getting her feet wet.

[Michaela]

I need. I need more, though. I needed them to pick up the pace. I was like that. Sit down where I was like, God bless that. Like, we're finally getting Kyle's. Whatever that was that I'm like, between her and Erica sitting in old rocking chairs, I was just like, oh, for pink.

[Nick Vile]

The Erica talking about was kind of like.

[Leia]

Okay.

[Sierra]

I mean, she did say it in a different light than we've never heard, though. Like, I thought that was kind of interesting to watch. Like, we always hear her fully in defense or I feel like we don't actually hear her talk about it, to be honest.

[Nick Vile]

We're like, we should just die now.

[Mary]

Yeah. Well, because it seems I kind of hoped he would die before he had to go to prison.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

And to be fair, I was like, she's been. She's still doing. Going through lawsuits, revolving this. So I'm just like, in a court of law. Anything can and will be used against her.

[Sierra]

So I'm like, usually she doesn't really address the victims, which I think she needs to do more. And she is. So.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I was busy googling what spa they were at.

[Mary]

I know it looked like it was in the valley, didn't it? At first I can there.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

But then I was like, oh no, it's Beverly, other side of the hill. There's a Lalas over there too. That's what threw it.

[Nick Vile]

Well, I think that'll do it. For today's episode, thank you to our guest, the Queen her herself. Returning the Real Housewives of oc, Vicki Gunvalson. We appreciate her taking the time, we appreciate all our guests and we appreciate you listening. Again, don't forget to check out Vile files. Plus we have ad free episodes plus all our additional offerings that you know and love. Go to vi files.com to check that out. We'll see you back on Thursday. Bye bye. Everyone deserves to be connected. That's why T Mobile and US Cellular are joining forces. Switch to T Mobile and save up to 20% versus Verizon by getting built in benefits they leave out. Check the map [e-mail] switch and now T Mobile is in US cellular stores. Savings versus Comparable Verizon plans plus the cost of optional benefits. Plan features and taxes and fees vary. Savings with three plus lines include third line free via monthly bill credits. Credit stop if you cancel any lines. Qualifying credit requirements.