E1055 – Going Deeper with Britani Bateman and Jared Osmond: A Situationship Deep Dive

Summary

The Viall Files – E1055: Going Deeper with Britani Bateman and Jared Osmond: A Situationship Deep Dive

Podcast: The Viall Files
Host: Nick Viall (plus co-hosts, including Natalie Joy)
Guests: Britani Bateman and Jared Osmond
Date: December 31, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this “Going Deeper” episode, Nick Viall and his co-hosts welcome Real Housewives of Salt Lake City couple Britani Bateman and Jared Osmond for an in-depth, candid discussion about the reality (and reality TV lens) of their on-again-off-again relationship. The conversation tackles public perception, family pressures, catty DMs, the challenge of being cast as a villain, and how unresolved trauma and reality TV editing amplify normal relationship struggles. Both Britani and Jared own their parts in the drama, reflect on messy breakups, and reveal how their “situationship” mirrors modern dating struggles at every age.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Jared’s Reluctant Reality TV Journey

• Origin Story (03:42–07:40): Jared opens up about joining RHOSLC not by design, but as part of Britani’s storyline after being pulled into her producer interview.
• Osmond Family Fallout (04:30–06:40): Being Donny Osmond’s nephew, Jared shares how appearing on reality TV has shocked and embarrassed his musical family—"My family has hated it... I've received comments from pretty much all of them, like, what are you doing?" (05:22)
• He admits to having never watched housewives before joining, and didn't expect to be such a focal point.

2. The “Villain Edit” & Reality TV Realities

• Editing and Ownership (09:41–11:33):
  • Jared expresses frustration at being cast as the show’s “villain” through selective editing, but ultimately acknowledges, “Everything I’ve said, I am not gonna sit here and tell you I didn’t. I have to own it, sure.” (11:25)
  • He acknowledges Bravo’s stance: “We can only use what you give us.” (10:47)

3. Anatomy of a Situationship: Breaking Up on Repeat

• Breakups/Pauses (13:31–22:22):
  • Jared and Britani admit to “breaking up almost every month,” which Jared reframes as “pausing” the relationship during emotional turbulence, especially related to show stress:
    • “Even as we walked on the river a few episodes ago and I looked terrible... I didn’t say, at least that wasn’t all of it. I’m like, ‘Hey if you’d just be stable, Brittany, for five minutes.’ I got so much hate for that.” (15:41)
  • Both are still processing complicated divorces, and the public nature of their dynamic strains relationships with their children.

4. Infamous Lines & Public Backlash

• Walk and Talk Fight (15:44–16:23):
  • Nick reads back Jared’s harsh comments:
    • "You want me to be your boyfriend. How about you just be stable for longer than five minutes?" (16:13)
  • Jared admits it was harsh and admits he “came off, you know, looking like kind of a jerk.”
• DMS and Leaked Messages (27:46–33:30):
  • Jared addresses a circulated DM portraying Britani as “needing drama to be relevant” and himself as the sole reason for her “job” on the show—"I give her relevance. I give her a talking point." (29:05)
  • He regrets the DM, says he retracted it, and that it was written in heartbreak and anger.

5. Relationship Dynamics: Accountability & Adaptation

• Nick’s Analysis (22:29–23:56):
  • Nick suggests Britani’s pattern of “breaking up” is actually a reaction to Jared’s inability to make her feel safe:
    • “It feels like she is just simply reacting to you. Fair?” —
    • Jared: “That’s extremely fair.” (23:55–23:56)
• Jared’s Self-Reflection (24:36–26:38):
  • Jared concedes that the breakups are mostly his fault, and that his own fear and “emotional unavailability” are a problem:
    • “I would say that the reason we break up is because of me.” (26:38)
  • He describes being supportive in practical ways (like helping around the house) but failing on the emotional front.

6. Engagement Drama and Lost Rings

• Engagement Timeline (26:42–27:44):
  • Jared and Britani were engaged; paused the engagement due to his “sketchiness” about marriage after trauma.
  • The engagement ring was stolen during Britani’s cabaret trip to New York:
    • "She took the ring out of the safe... It got stolen, we think at the hotel." (27:20)

7. Family & Children’s Reactions

• Children’s Disapproval (37:09–38:05):
  • Their adult children are not on board, especially after private matters became public on the show:
    • "The reason we've slow played, even with the engagement... is because we want our children to be on our team. And we know we need to show them some sort of stability before they will be." (37:22)
  • Jared recaps being booed in public, even at BravoCon.

8. Reactive Patterns & Gendered Commentary

• Instability Labeling (33:14–34:55):
  • Nick flags calling a woman "unstable" on TV as especially problematic—
    • "Any commentary around... Calm down, pipe down, you’re overly emotional, you’re unstable. There is no grace." (34:42)
  • Jared acknowledges hundreds of hate DMs and embarrassment.

9. Britani’s Perspective & Emotional Safety

• Britani’s Honest Assessment (51:51–59:06):
  • She found listening to Jared’s reflection “triggering” and confirms:
    • “I love him deeply... It’s not for lack of love. It’s like this hope that it’ll turn into something."
  • Britani notes the emotional pendulum: she was ready for a relationship early; Jared was not.
  • “As he’s growing into our relationship, I’ve been growing out of our relationship.” (58:23)
  • Indicates Jared has recently proven his emotional commitment, and for the first time, she feels secure and stable.

10. Attachment Issues, Therapy, and Modern Middle-Aged Dating

• Therapy and Growth (53:39–54:02):
  • Both have been in and out of individual and couples’ therapy.
• Attachment Styles (62:51–64:42):
  • Britani delves into how attachment styles (her daughter’s and her own) color their family dynamics and breakups.
  • She’s attempting to model healthy boundaries with her kids, e.g., not letting Jared come between her and her daughter:
    • "He will never come between my kids and me, ever. If anything, he wants to celebrate it." (63:25)

11. Messy “Pauses,” best friendships, and Emotional Stalking

• Breakups and Reconnections (64:42–68:29):
  • After an 8-month split, initiated by Britani, Jared won her back by persistent communication, including paying to DM her via Cameo:
    • "I started sending her... Cameo requests. She blocked on all platforms... And all of a sudden, it went from $3.99 a text to $15.99." (66:05)
  • Throughout even their "breaks," they continue daily contact—“Even when we’re dating other people... we haven’t missed a day together.” (60:00)
• Defining the Relationship (68:44–69:55):
  • Both agree that a lot of their so-called breakups are really pauses or timeouts.

12. The “Plane Incident” and Bravo Drama

• The “Plane Incident” (74:12–78:10):
  • Britani can’t share details before airing/reunion, but says if fans saw the real footage, “their minds would be blown. Literally.” (76:28)
  • She won’t repeat what was said, calling it “deplorable” and “unforgivable.”

13. Looking Forward: Will They Make It Work?

• Boundary Setting with Bravo (43:14–44:31):
  • Jared is “done with reality TV,” but may always be “part of the story” as long as he’s with Britani.
  • His priority is living up to his promise to his children to keep private matters off TV.
• Stability & Future Plans (84:39–84:54):
  • Both vow to “just show up every day and do our very best and communicate and try to get over our triggers. We’re going to choose each other and try.” (84:47–84:54)

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Memorable Quotes (with Timestamps & Attribution)

• Jared on Reluctance:
  • “I’m on a reality television show that, quite honestly, I don’t want to be on.” (03:55, Jared)
• On the Villain Edit:
  • “They’ll film for two and a half hours and I’ll get a two and a half minute edit. And it’s always the bad stuff.” (09:41, Jared)
• On Relationship Instability:
  • “We would literally break up every month. And it looks terrible because it is.” (13:31, Jared)
• Nick calls out the emotional cycle:
  • “It feels like she is just simply reacting to you. Fair?”
  • "That’s extremely fair." (23:55, Nick & Jared)
• Jared, taking responsibility:
  • “The reason we break up is because of me.” (26:38, Jared)
• Nick on gendered putdowns:
  • “Any commentary around... Calm down, pipe down, you’re overly emotional, you’re unstable. There is no grace. There is no ‘don’t shut your mouth’. Just keep your opinions to yourself. I learned that at 18 years old.” (34:42, Nick)
• Britani on shifting commitment:
  • “As he’s growing into our relationship, I’ve been growing out of our relationship… but now I feel really safe emotionally to stay and work there.” (58:23/82:20, Brittany)
• Jared on daily contact, even during breaks:
  • “Even when we’re dating other people, like... we haven’t missed a day together.” (60:00, Jared)
• Britani on emotional triggers:
  • “At the first whiff of disrespect, I am not willing to stick it out, I cut and run. And in that way, I have been unstable.” (70:45, Brittany)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 07:05–08:47 – How Jared was roped into filming (casting and story)
• 13:31–18:20 – Relationship volatility; repeated breakups
• 27:46–33:30 – The infamous leaked DM and fallout
• 42:20–46:59 – Jared on exiting the show and navigating being with a "Bravo Liberty"
• 51:51–59:06 – Britani joins, shares emotional parallels, reflects on where the relationship is now
• 64:42–68:29 – Reunion after 8-month split; persistent communication via Cameo
• 74:12–78:10 – The “plane incident” with Meredith and reunion tease
• 82:20–83:14 – Britani on defending their relationship, moving forward with less public drama

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Tone & Style

The conversation is heartfelt, sometimes raw, and punctuated by banter and self-deprecating humor. Both protagonists oscillate between defensiveness and vulnerability. The hosts push for accountability but also provide empathy and context, seeking to reveal the real humans behind the “Bravo villain” or “messy storyline” stereotypes.

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Takeaways

• Modern Situationships Aren’t Just for Gen Z: Jared and Britani, both in their 50s, experience the ambiguity, attachment struggles, and communication breakdowns familiar to younger daters.
• Reality TV Magnifies But Doesn’t Cause Problems: Their issues—instability, emotional unavailability, family pressure—are normal but become public and dramatic on screen.
• Public Scrutiny Hurts Both Relationships and Families: Both have adult children affected by the fallout.
• Growth and Stability Are Ongoing Choices: Both commit—again—to communicating and showing up, aiming for a “stable 2026.”

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Final Thought

This episode lays bare how deeply reality TV can impact real relationships, and how, even at midlife, the line between “drama” and real vulnerability is thin and often misunderstood. If you’ve ever been in a situationship, or felt misunderstood in your relationship, there’s plenty to relate to—whether or not you’ve been cast as the “villain.”

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Note: Timestamps are MM:SS and refer to the actual content; ads and intros have been omitted according to request.

Transcript

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[Brittany]

You'Re crazy.

[Host 2]

Jared osmond. Hi, welcome to the show.

[Jared Osmond]

Thanks for.

[Host 2]

How are you?

[Jared Osmond]

You know, I'm a little nervous.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Host 1]

Are you?

[Jared Osmond]

Not really. That's a little bit of a lie. I'm not really nervous. How are you guys?

[Host 2]

We're doing great.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Wrapping up the year. Busy.

[Jared Osmond]

You guys are a big deal. I'm really grateful to be here to.

[Host 2]

Say, you know, we are grateful to have you.

[Jared Osmond]

No, you guys are a big deal. I've. I've followed. I've been kind of watching podcast. Well, it was hard. You know, we can talk about all this stuff like when I first heard my name on your show as the Bronwyn thing last season after I sent that really terrible text to her terrible dm. That's where they ended the season last year.

[Host 2]

But when can you remind us what that DM was.

[Jared Osmond]

It wasn't great. It was terrible.

[Host 1]

Did she read it at the reunion?

[Brittany]

Yeah, she did.

[Host 1]

She read it at reunion.

[Jared Osmond]

It was bad. It was really bad. It was very embarrassing, actually.

[Host 1]

Reunion.

[Host 2]

So you. You own that? It was.

[Jared Osmond]

Oh, it was terrible. But what they didn't see is that we retracted it the very next day. I sent a retraction and an apology, which she sent back an apology. And we were just friends. Brian and I have been friends, and every time we get on camera, she plays the part of, like, oh, I hate Jared. But one on one, we're so good.

[Host 1]

So y' all have known each other outside of this show? No, no. You met during the show.

[Jared Osmond]

It's just. Yeah, there was something that happened last season that was really crazy. It was crazy during the party. I don't know. You guys remember that one? And I don't know if I should even be talking about it right now. Are we recording or.

[Brittany]

We are.

[Host 2]

We are.

[Jared Osmond]

Oh, good. Okay.

[Host 2]

But if you don't want to do it.

[Jared Osmond]

No, I don't care. I'm good. I'm happy to. I'll share whatever. I actually. No filter. So I'm happy to give it to you.

[Brittany]

Great.

[Host 2]

Well, you reached out.

[Jared Osmond]

I did.

[Host 2]

To us.

[Jared Osmond]

I did.

[Host 2]

Which we appreciated. So I was just. And we were like, yeah, no, come on down.

[Jared Osmond]

It's genuinely an honor. I mean, I know you guys are a big deal. It's. It. Your podcast is amazing.

[Host 2]

Well, thank you for saying we're. We're okay. The podcast, according to the. Some of the ladies of Salt Lake City. But I. You know, in all serious, what made you reach out? I. Thanks for the kind words and compliments, but I am. Yeah. What. Like, why are you sitting on the couch today? I mean, I'm glad you are, and I'm not sad about it, but what made you want to reach out and I guess what was your goal? What do you want to accomplish in this conversation?

[Jared Osmond]

Quite honestly, I just don't. I don't necessarily think there's an end goal to that. I don't. I don't think I'm gonna necessarily resolve much for a lot of people. I mean, it's fair. I'm on a reality television show that, quite honestly, I don't want to be on.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Jared Osmond]

I'm being honest. Okay. Okay. I went on reluctantly, and I've been on, and, you know, it's hard. It's a show that has painted me as the villain. I think you understand how the villain at it goes when it comes to reality television, I've been there. Yeah.

[Host 2]

Yeah. For different, I guess, reasons.

[Jared Osmond]

Sure. Yeah. Well, yeah, for my reason. Yeah. I've definitely had a few. And I'm also here to own it. I'm here to own some of the dumb things that I've said and done and the way it's looked with. With Brittany and I and just the volatility of our relationship on this show and all that kind of thing. And also to dispel some rumors. Okay. Yeah, I hope. Anyway.

[Host 2]

But before I guess we get into all that, I guess, I mean, I am curious about a little bit about your background. You are part of the legendary Osmond family.

[Jared Osmond]

Yes, I am.

[Host 2]

Just walk us through. Walk my audience through. Obviously, you have Donnie and Marie. They're kind of the.

[Jared Osmond]

They're a big deal.

[Host 2]

They're a big deal. What is your relation to them?

[Jared Osmond]

Well, they are a big deal. I want to clarify that, too. You know, I've watched. I grew up with the Osmonds, So Donnie's about 10 years older than me.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Jared Osmond]

I'm 55.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Jared Osmond]

And I've watched my family since I was just, you know, just a child. And I thought everybody's families sing, and that's just the introduction they had. Until I was in junior high, I didn't know anything else but Osmond music. I didn't. I didn't know who the Beatles were. I was so inundated with Osmond things because it was their heyday back in the 70s and 80s. But so they're part of. I'm part of that family. I'm very proud of them. It's been controversial for me, being on the show the Real Housewives for the family. Yeah. My family has hated it. Okay. I've received comments back from pretty much all of them, like, what are you doing? Why are you on this show?

[Host 2]

Have Donnie.

[Jared Osmond]

What is. Yeah, Donnie's reached out.

[Host 2]

Donnie's reached out.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah. And he's.

[Host 2]

And he's giving you the wtf?

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah, kind of. Yeah.

[Host 2]

Yeah. And then Donnie, sort of.

[Jared Osmond]

They're all great. My family, they. They're all very kind and loving humans, but they literally don't know what I'm doing.

[Host 2]

Is he a cousin?

[Jared Osmond]

He's my uncle. My dad is his oldest brother, so my dad's deaf.

[Brittany]

Okay.

[Jared Osmond]

He didn't sing with the Osmonds. In fact, the Osmond family back in the 70s started singing because they were trying to buy hearing aids for my dad. So they formed a little boy band, little quartet, and then it just kind of grew from there. That's how they became famous. Isn't that crazy? Yeah.

[Host 1]

So did your dad ever get his hearing aids?

[Jared Osmond]

I did get his hearing aids. Yeah. He and. He and his. And his brother Tom are both deaf. The two oldest kids. Crazy, huh?

[Host 1]

How is he deaf?

[Brittany]

Was.

[Jared Osmond]

They were actually. We found out later on in life. We thought it was genetic, but they were actually put under radiation as babies.

[Host 2]

Oh.

[Jared Osmond]

As a form of medical treatment. And it caused nerve damage. Crazy. They're actually in the Harvard medical journals, I understand, for bad medicine. So crazy.

[Brittany]

That is crazy.

[Host 2]

So what did. What did. What did Donnie say to you?

[Jared Osmond]

Well, he didn't. It wasn't so direct. It was more of just like you. Okay. And he made a statement in the press, like, saying, I don't know what Jared's doing, essentially. I don't like it. But he's a big boy. He gets to decide what he wants to do. I'm 55, I guess, you know. Yeah, there it is. Yeah. Yeah.

[Host 2]

So you said you, like, reluctantly agreed to go on. Is it like, what. How did you end up on the show? I'm assuming Brittany approached you.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah. So I didn't see this coming. So when. When Brittany got the phone call, and I guess that's how it works. They reach out to several people, several women, and go, hey, do you want to be on the show? When her final interview happened, I was in the room, and they pulled me into the interview. So I sat there on the sofa on this screen with seven Bravo execs, you know, firing questions at both of us about how we met, which is very controversial. I had no idea that the requirement was for me to also be part of her story on set. It makes sense. I just didn't understand.

[Host 2]

What do you mean by requirement?

[Jared Osmond]

Well, I didn't. I didn't realize. I'd never really watched reality television to this point outside of Shark Tank. I didn't realize. I mean, that's her story. And so her story, especially at the beginning, has. Has been me and our relationship and how tumultuous it's been on screen especially. Looks terrible.

[Host 1]

Can you remind our audience how the two of you met?

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah, my ex girlfriend and her husband got together. And there's a lot more to it than that, but they got together and we had no idea.

[Host 1]

Right, right, right.

[Jared Osmond]

And so I called Brittany and said, are you aware of this now? There's so many details, and I'm going to purposely leave out, but she was shocked. I was shocked. We literally trauma bonded into the relationship that's exactly how it started. And for a month, we just spoke on the phone. We didn't. I had no idea what she looked like. I didn't know who Brittany Bateman was.

[Host 2]

You didn't Facebook her Nothing?

[Jared Osmond]

No. Didn't MySpace it? Nothing. But we eventually had mutual friends that put us together, and we became. We really did. We leaned on the friendship. That's kind of been our story.

[Host 2]

So back to the casting of Britney. Yeah. Like, are you saying that, like, you guys got cast together or you feel like.

[Jared Osmond]

No, no. Britney's good on her own. She deserves the snowflake that I've been hearing about, whatever that is.

[Host 1]

She's a star.

[Jared Osmond]

She's a star. She's really talented. This girl can sing and dance. She grew up more of an Osmond than I did, but she's great. I just didn't understand. When they started filming season five, I was sitting in her kitchen and the producer looked at me and said, you're not going to film because I didn't sign the waiver. And so I'm not filming. What was the expectation that I would film? And I could see it in Brittany's eyes that she's like, come on, you're part of my story. Let's be part of my story. I didn't realize, though, that that would also, by signing that waiver, create this tidal wave for me. And it has been a tidal wave of not all great things.

[Host 2]

Like what?

[Jared Osmond]

Oh, man. Well, after the end of season five, and again, remember, I've never. I didn't watch. I didn't even watch one episode of the Housewives ever, until I saw myself on there. I'm like, I didn't say that. And it's just, you know, I'll. They'll film for two and a half hours and I'll get a two and a half minute edit. And it's always the bad stuff. Whatever sounds the most misogynistic seems to get thrown out there. And I'm not saying I'm perfect.

[Host 2]

Is there anything specific that was aired that you feel like? I didn't say that. You know, you reference, like, my time on reality tv. And certainly I know what it's like to have things be taken out of context. And certainly I'm aware that in the editing room they can, you know, they can really do whatever they want. That being said, it's sometimes, you know, if you see it, it's like, I've learned that if you see it coming out of the person's mouth, they probably said it, you know, if you don't see it coming out of their mouth and you kind of hear their voice and, you know, like, maybe there's some very clever stuff, but there's, you know, they're. Yeah.

[Jared Osmond]

What.

[Host 2]

What. What haven't you seen? Because I will say some of the stuff I've seen you say, it's like, I know, jarring.

[Jared Osmond]

It's a little. It's my. Well, it's. I'm good at it, apparently. I'm good at being the. The controversial villain on the Housewives. I mean, that's the role that I've assumed and there's so many things that come behind it, but the things I've said, everything I've said, I am not gonna sit here and tell you I did. The problem is, and again, Bravo told me this when we started, and they've been great, actually. I think Bravo's great. They do a great show. This is a great show. And I understand it's their number one show, but they told me, hey, we can only use what you give us. The problem is the edits I don't think are totally fair. I'll say something that sounds controversial, but there's always another part. And maybe I'm long winded and I'm trying to explain that part and then it gets cut out. And so it's just. And I could give you plenty of examples, but, yeah, no, I said everything I said. I have to own it. Sure.

[Host 2]

Well, we'll go back to that. You know, as far as the people listening, most people outside of your relationship to the Osmonds is obviously your relationship with Britney. Right. You know, we're all fans of Salt Lake City and that storyline of you and Britney has been obviously tumultuous and like, off and on. It's almost kind of been this running joke, obviously, even with this season. And when they're on the boat and you, you know, the bear and everything, and it's just like, you're off, you're on, you know. You know, Britney has leaned in. In a very comical way where it's just like, you know, are we. Is she with Jared? Is she not with Jared? And it really kind of seems like this kind of classic, as the kids are calling it these days, a situationship of the highest order. And I guess just from your perspective, I would just love to hear your version of your relationship with Brittany and why, from your point of view, it's so off and on and why you think it's fair. You know what. Yeah. What is that version for you?

[Jared Osmond]

Well, and I don't know how much time we have. I could go for hours on this subject. I mean, we have enough time.

[Host 2]

I don't have hours, but we.

[Jared Osmond]

Well, first and foremost, there's a lot of speculation behind it, you know, and there's so much that I could say. I do love Brittany, you know, that stupid unicorn was private. When I said, good night, baby, you are loved. Right. So. Which is now an infamy. Sadly, it was never meant for public consumption. I thought it was charming. Yeah, I got beat up on it. And it's okay. I mean, it's a reality television show, and I found that, you know, the Bravo verse is very, very attached to their Bravo labs. You know, they love that. And I'm a little bit of that villain guy, but my relationship with Britney has been tumultuous in that. I mean, look, here we are at 55. She's almost my same age. She's 54. We are both still going through divorces, which most people don't know. We're both divorced. We've been bifurcated, But I'm six years in, and she's three and still goes. It's been kind of hard. It's hard on our kids.

[Host 2]

So technically, you're still married to your.

[Jared Osmond]

No, divorced as of 2022.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Jared Osmond]

But still haven't separated things and still going through all that. In fact, what does that look.

[Host 1]

What is that?

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah, it's awful. Yeah. I can't talk much about it.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Jared Osmond]

But anyway, it's been really hard. It's been hard on our children. So Brittany's story also is her relationship with her children. I've had the same problem, and the show has complicated it in a way I never suspected. I have children that don't talk to me because I'm dating Brittany. They literally are not talking to me because of the show. The first season was hard. Brittany and I did not understand the rules of engagement. We got on the show, and then we broke up. And we would literally break up every month. And it looks terrible because it is.

[Host 2]

Why would you break up?

[Jared Osmond]

Well, I've only broken up with her once, so do the math on that. After two and a half years.

[Host 2]

How many times you've broken up?

[Jared Osmond]

Almost every month now. I would call it more. This is where everybody gets lost in the woods over two years. But again, 24 times. Here's what to look at. I can't say that we've broken up that many times, but we've hit the pause button because this isn't working, or I don't like the show. It's funny to hear people think that I'm thirsty for the show. I don't even like it. If you go to my social media, I'm on private. I've got a thousand followers. That's it. It's not like I'm out looking for fame. I've seen fame up close. I've told Brittany this, too. And I said, one of my biggest problems is that I've seen it my whole life. I've watched the Osmonds, and I think they're amazing. But the whole idea of being famous and stopping for pictures and signing autographs, I think is a little. It's not my thing. I'm not going to be mean about it. I don't get it. I don't like it. I don't need it for my career. It doesn't do anything for me. I'm grateful for Brittany in my life, and I'm happy to support her. And that's what I've wanted to do. Even going on the show, I didn't think we would. That all of the little nuances of our relationship, and especially all the. I call them private things, became public. There are things in a relationship where I prefer to have it private when there's conflict. Even as we walked on the river a few episodes ago and I looked terrible. Walk and talk, walk and talk. And I had my green tea in my hand, and I remember looking at. I didn't say, at least that wasn't all of it. I'm like, hey, if you'd just be stable, Brittany, for five minutes. I got so much hate for that.

[Host 2]

I actually have it here. You said, here's the thing. The last two years, Brittany, you run every five seconds. What I'm looking for is someone who is stable.

[Jared Osmond]

It's true.

[Host 2]

You are a ride until it seems difficult.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah, but I did say that.

[Host 2]

Or, oh, this might be a problem. And then you freeze, flee and run.

[Brittany]

That's.

[Host 2]

That's who you are. What's.

[Jared Osmond]

And then you go, oh, that sounds terrible, doesn't it?

[Host 2]

You're very confusing. This. This was the. For me, the harshest part.

[Jared Osmond]

Give it to me.

[Host 2]

Very confusing. You are. You want me to be your boyfriend. How about you just be stable for longer than five minutes? That was harsh.

[Jared Osmond]

That was harsh.

[Host 2]

It was harsh.

[Jared Osmond]

I was upset. I was genuinely walking. I did not realize. And we had. Look, we've had so many controversial moments. We've hit the pause button. And when she went on the yacht, I got phone calls from the other girls. And we're like, is Jared there? I'm like, yeah. And then all of a sudden I realized what they were saying. Like, yeah, Brittany is all over this guy and she's all over the captain and she's all over this guy named Joao.

[Host 2]

They were tattling on her.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah. Like, are you guys really on a break? I'm like, I was not necessarily. I know we talked about taking a break. I didn't. And it's. I'm not gonna blame her. Maybe I didn't pay attention, but I didn't realize that was gonna be the ultimate case that she was gonna get on the boat and flirt like that. And if we're on a break, I guess when I go on a break, I don't necessarily do that, you know, But I realized for the storyline and what have you, she was just having fun and trying to just blow off steam.

[Host 2]

What. I guess what do you do? Because honestly, over a course of two years, 10 plus breakups, let's just say.

[Jared Osmond]

I just go to the gym, drink a protein shake and try to get over it.

[Host 2]

I mean, you haven't dated anyone out?

[Jared Osmond]

No, I have.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

So I guess, you know, I guess what, I'm curious, like. Yeah, how do you. I mean, honestly, for all the people in situationships where there's, you know, it's kind of dating now in 2025, whether you're 55 or 25, you know, this kind non. These non committal relationships that have all this gray area, it's like, who's doing what? So you felt like Britney was kind of stepping out on you on that, on that trip?

[Jared Osmond]

No, I wouldn't say that. I would, I would say it was more of. I was not aware until those phone calls came in that that was even happening. I just kind of thought if, if it was the break that I thought we were taking. Hey, let's just pause for a minute. And not. I didn't realize, I didn't. But for some reason I was offended by it. And, and, and then after her terrible plane ride with Meredith behind her, which I was on the phone with her the entire time on text and we can talk about that. But she was looking for me to kind of console her. That was the first time we saw each other was on the river. They put us together on the show and we walked. And rather than me showing compassion is what I should have done. So again, I'll own it. It was just me in reaction, like, oh my gosh, you just flirted your butt off the entire time on this ship. Why?

[Host 1]

When you watched that episode back and you saw that she didn't really do anything that crazy, was there a part of you that was like, eh, maybe I overreacted?

[Jared Osmond]

Oh, I definitely overreacted. And I don't think. And to be honest, I'm not necessarily a jealous guy. I just was confused. You know, I was home just kind of doing my thing, and she was doing that. And I don't know, I was a little upset about it, and I wanted her to own it, and she just wanted to be comforted. And I missed it. I totally missed it. And I came off, you know, looking like kind of a jerk. And I think I was, quite honestly, I think I was a jerk. I have to own that. And there's a lot of context in there. Even the things you said are correct. I mean, Brittany does have that because of what she's been through. Like, Brittany's been through two very, very difficult marriages. Her second marriage is so tumultuous that she has a protective order against this guy that's out in the public right now. And she has this thing where when we start having problems or I start to slow down because, I mean, the idea for me, like, I went through some tough things in my divorce and tough things in the dating life, and sometimes I have to just kind of step back and it's what I've done. And it's not because I don't love her, and it's not because I don't want to be with her. It's just I have to step back and analyze it and go, what are we doing? Why is this show in the middle of everything we do? Every little sacred moment in a relationship is like, ah, here, have it. I don't like that. I don't appreciate it. And it's sad to me because, you know, and I just look like I'm kicking against it, because I am.

[Host 2]

Well, yeah, I mean, I guess I'm just curious is like, what's your breaking point? Like, I completely understand. I mean, I think most people listening, honestly, what these women do, Brittany, Heather, all the housewives, like, it's. They give a lot of themselves for our entertainment. Like, it is not easy to be a reality TV star. It's certainly not easy to be a housewife, specifically housewife, with the way that, like, you know, there's some shows where you can kind of have a bit of separation. You can, like, you know, okay, this is my reality TV world, and I can kind of disconnect. But like, a housewife, like, to be A housewife to continue to get your snowflake or your orange or whatever it is they require. Fans require. The network requires you share your life. You know, you be open. And if that's something Britney wants to do, given the fact that you guys are kind of all on the fence, like, I mean, at some point, why don't you just walk away?

[Jared Osmond]

I've tried. I've actually tried. There have been moments where I just.

[Host 2]

Is she, like, restraining you and not letting you go?

[Jared Osmond]

She's actually really good at letting go. She's like, bye. And she'll immediately move on. And I don't know. And I think. I don't know. I've heard different people talk about this. Relationship specialists that talk about how men sort of sit and suffer a little bit. We don't move on as fast. Like, women have that ability, I think, to compartmentalize it. I know Brittany does. She's very, very strong. She's a strong personality. Brittany is so focused on the prize. She's so good, and she's so talented. Out of all the Housewives, especially, But out of any show that I've seen lately, I've never seen anybody that has the raw talent that she has. She can sing and do all these things, and it's been fun. We sing together all the time. I mean, I sing mostly in the shower because, quite honestly, I'm not looking to be famous. I don't want that. But she is amazing, and I really support that. It's just hard for me when personal life starts to get public.

[Host 1]

So then, if she's so good at letting go, how are you finding your way back together?

[Jared Osmond]

You know, it's funny. We've done this, like when we broke up on the river, that was back in May, I believe. And we literally got back together right before Thanksgiving just recently. And I've dated, you know, and gone out with really wonderful people and that kind of thing. But it's always that feeling that I have. It's always this feeling of. And people mock this on the show, but we talked about it from the very beginning, and Brittany does this little thing with the heart. You know, you're my best friend. She's my best friend. And so she's been my best friend for all these years. And there's just a closeness and kindness between us. We're never mean to each other. It's never this. It's just moments of pause going, okay. And a lot of it has to do with me. I don't necessarily break up, but she gets nervous.

[Host 2]

Here's my. How I've viewed your relationship from afar, from a guy's perspective, it comes across. And I'm just curious what you think if this is fair or not. That despite Britney maybe being the one who's like, I don't know if this can work. I don't know if it's gonna work, pushing you away, that Brittany would really like to have a relationship with you. And it seems like in the weeds of it all, you say or do things or don't do or don't say things that make her constantly hoping for more with you. Like, I talk to a lot of people on this show and a lot of people in relationships, and I always tell people, like, hope's not. You want a relationship, because that's, like, a sign of what you don't have. Yeah, right. Like, when you're out of a relationship, you're like, I want this. I hope I can get this. It seems like Britney's hoping you will do or say or not do or say certain things that would show her that she can feel safe and stable in this relationship. And it seems like you consistently, from her perspective, don't show up for her in ways that make her feel like she can do that, which is why she's the one always saying, this isn't feeling right. This isn't feeling right. And even though you're kind of like, well, she's the one breaking up with me. She's the one breaking up with me. It feels like she is just simply reacting to you. Fair.

[Jared Osmond]

That's extremely fair.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Jared Osmond]

Wow. Yeah, it is. I think I have. And there's no excuse. We all have trauma. I have. I have traumatic things I've dealt with. And this show has climbed to the top of that list. And she has told me several times that she needs me to show up a certain way. And even when we're broken up, I mean, I show up. I mean, I tell her all the time, look, I'm here every day. Even when we've been broken up, I'll show up. And I'm a contractor, and so I'll bring my guys to fix things in her house and do things that are nice for her, but she wants that.

[Host 2]

And she even mentioned last time Brittany was here that she had some travel issues. You showed up for her there and helped her get on, which we appreciate.

[Jared Osmond]

I know. I love the girl and I care about her, and it's been. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. So the hard thing is the context that is missing. There's so many inner workings in a relationship. There's so many private moments people are really not entitled to. They don't know. They don't see the things that she and I have been through. There are private, sacred things. And that's not an excuse for not showing up. I just have struggled with it, and I have struggled, and it's caused that reaction with her. She's a great woman. She's a sweetheart. So, yeah, I have to own that.

[Host 2]

Without getting into the. I don't want you to have to share anything you're not comfortable sharing. But, like, I guess what is stopping you? I mean, you can own it. It's like, one thing to be like, yeah, no, that's fair. I. I have to do that. As you point out a couple times. You're 55 years old. You know, I'm 45. You know, it's like, yeah, at this point, like, are we gon. You know, are we gonna really be. We're not gonna change. You don't. You are who you are.

[Jared Osmond]

No, I think that you are who you are. I think that people don't change. I think that they. That they learn and adapt. I think that that's their relationship. I think any good relationship is about this kind and gentle approach. You know, I'm not a guy that screams and yells. I'm not an abusive person. That's not who I am. And I'm not. I'm not the guy that's gonna run around and cheat and that kind of thing. That's not who I am.

[Brittany]

That's true.

[Jared Osmond]

And, you know, people ask me all the time, like, why don't you just go all in? I'm trying. We are like. We're together. We are together. We're talking about all things, including marriage. But there is timing behind this, and the timing truly is at this age. And it's just a number. We have other things to consider, including our children.

[Host 2]

Why don't we just focus on not breaking up rather than.

[Jared Osmond]

Well, that's where I'm at. Thank you. You're right. 100%.

[Host 2]

Yeah, but you say that like it's Britney's fault.

[Jared Osmond]

It's not. Okay. No, no, no, no. I say that taking full ownership of my part. I mean, I do. I genuinely do. There. I look at it. I would say that the reason we break up is because of me.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Jared Osmond]

I take full responsibility for that.

[Host 1]

We did learn this season that the two of you were engaged.

[Jared Osmond]

Yes.

[Host 1]

And then ended that.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah, well, it didn't end badly. It ended with a pause, with Me going, I. I'm a little sketchy on even the idea of marriage, which is strange because of my trauma. That is what it is.

[Host 2]

Doesn't matter.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know. We're both. It's not like we're here to have more children.

[Host 2]

Yeah. I mean, honestly, like, you know what.

[Jared Osmond]

I mean, like, I don't know what we're doing. But again, these are sacred things. These are private things. Those are private conversations.

[Host 2]

Did she give the ring back?

[Jared Osmond]

Kind of. Did you hear the latest drama?

[Host 2]

No. Tell me.

[Jared Osmond]

She took the ring out of the safe because we're talking about it. She just wanted to see it. She went to New York to do her cabaret show, handed the ring to me. I put it back in her bag. She took off her Rolex watch and the ring and it got stolen, we think at the hotel we were staying at. So that kind of sucks anyway. It is.

[Host 1]

Well, it was tainted anyways.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah, probably.

[Host 2]

It's a self engagement.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Probably wanted to get a fresh one.

[Host 2]

She probably wanted a new one.

[Jared Osmond]

Maybe she threw it away. I don't know.

[Host 1]

There was some going back, some leaked DMS that you sent.

[Jared Osmond]

Someone give it to me. This. This subject couldn't be more annoying to me. So let's hit it head on first, please. I freaking hate this subject. Who.

[Host 1]

Who was this message to? Do you remember the message? It was to a friend.

[Jared Osmond]

She's a friend. She played it up like a girlfriend. It's so weird.

[Host 1]

Okay, so you just friends. You DM'd her?

[Jared Osmond]

I did. While we were broken up. Okay.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Host 1]

While y' all were broken up. A pretty harsh.

[Brittany]

It's.

[Host 1]

It's pretty loud.

[Jared Osmond]

Which one are we talking about?

[Host 1]

This is the one where you're saying the fascinating part of Britney's story is that she adds so much drama for no reason. Truly. In an attempt.

[Jared Osmond]

No.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Host 1]

If you want to know.

[Host 2]

I just want to irritate you.

[Jared Osmond]

So many dms, they all irritate me. Are you kidding me? I hate them.

[Host 2]

Start over. Start over.

[Jared Osmond]

I'm never sending a DM ever again.

[Host 2]

You should not. You definitely shared.

[Jared Osmond]

I will never talk again.

[Host 2]

I mean, you're an Osman. You should know if you're going to put it in text. But I don't assume.

[Jared Osmond]

But I'm not that Osmond. I'm a general contractor. A real estate developer.

[Host 2]

Going forward, if you type it out, you got to assume.

[Jared Osmond]

I realize everything has a digital footprint. I had no idea.

[Host 1]

This is not timestamped. I believe this happened last season. I can Tell you all about that last season storyline?

[Brittany]

A little bit.

[Host 1]

But you sent this to someone. We don't know who. They ended up being leaked on Twitter. It says, you know, the fascinating part of Brittany's story is that she adds so much drama for no reason. Truly. In an attempt to be relevant. If you want to know the truth on our history, I've never walked away from her. I've never broken up with her. I've always been steady, spoiled her over the last year, paid for everything, and have been a true gentleman. She is so damaged from her past relationships that she makes me out to be the bad guy. She's scared that I won't put a ring on her finger and I just want to play. So rather than just steadily stay with me and work through all the dating issues that pop up, she runs like a scared child. I need to date a stable woman. For the record, Britney has a job on the show because I decided to go on. I give her relevance. I give her a talking point. She promised me that we wouldn't take our love on camera, that it would be best friends. Hence the reason for all the best friend comments. I went against my better judgment and I filmed with her thinking that she would hold on to that. She did not. Obviously, I've stepped up to give her all that she has needed to make herself relevant on the show. And what I got in return was a woman that dumped me and makes me look like a complete idiot by the time this is all done. Also evidenced by some of her TikToks. Not a happy camper.

[Jared Osmond]

Well, I mean, what's not true? Come on. I'm just kidding.

[Host 2]

I was like, I watched your face.

[Jared Osmond]

Let's go. What? No, you know what?

[Host 1]

Who was this message to?

[Jared Osmond]

This was to a supposed friend. It turned out to be a Utah blogger. We became friends and she's like, oh, I got your back. I'll be totally, totally careful with your name. Next thing I know, boom. And this thing circulated like wildfire. Now, there's little pockets of truth in this.

[Host 2]

I mean, you kind of alluded.

[Jared Osmond]

Little pockets. Yeah.

[Host 2]

You know.

[Jared Osmond]

No, there is. And I'll be honest with you, when that came up, that was right during one of our first breakups. And I was so angry because I felt like I had given so much of myself in even filming. I didn't want to film. I don't want this. I don't want to be on tv. I don't think I'm going back on. I didn't want to do this. And then our Story's getting launched out there and all these. And now. Brittany is amazing, but she. And I did not understand the rules of engagement when it comes to reality television. She got online, too, just started blasting me. Watch what happens live, blasting me. Every interview she did. Jared, this. Oh, my gosh. He's just. He's just a player. And half truth, I'm not saying I was perfect, but little half, because we were in and out so many times, you know. Yeah. I would DM somebody, which I should never do, apparently, and. But it's when we were broken up back and forth, I wasn't perfect. I mean, I just had moments of just pulling back because I was so nervous of the trajectory of what Brittany's going through on the show. It was so much for me to handle. And I said some really mean things. And I will own that because she is great on her own. I said that before. And this is me acting like a spoiled child. Oh, poor me. She dumped me. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'm her only relevance. Yeah, I filmed with her. Yes. I was a big part of her story. And on the first season, I think I was mostly her story. Ding, ding, ding. Jared and I broke up. Right. So the idea for me was I was upset that we're even talking about this on national television. I didn't want any of our relationship on national television. And yet I don't have that choice. She's on television. So I had to make peace with that. I immediately. What you didn't see there is I retracted that entire statement the very next day. I got on X with the Mary Cosby fan page. Didn't really go anywhere, but I retracted that entire thing. And the retraction is twice that long, filled with nothing but really beautiful things. Brittany is wonderful. She's a very.

[Host 1]

Did you retract it once this had gone viral?

[Jared Osmond]

Yes, I did.

[Host 2]

Like, once. It's kind of tough.

[Jared Osmond]

It's kind of gone.

[Host 2]

No one's really.

[Jared Osmond]

I didn't realize the damage that was done, and I've never done anything like that since. But that was very harsh. And there's, like I said, little nuggets of truth through it. But you gotta take this anger and this broken heart that I had into perspective. And it's not an excuse.

[Host 2]

The tough part is, like, there's that, and then there's the walk and talk, and there's a lot of similarities.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah, the walk and talk was. There's. Yeah.

[Host 2]

You know, and so I think a lot of truth there, too, for your critics. Yeah. If nothing Else, you don't help yourself.

[Jared Osmond]

No, I don't. And bravo. Bless them. You know, they've loved everything that's come out of my mouth because it makes me that. I mean, I become that role of the villain on the show. I say things that make me famous for all the wrong reasons.

[Host 2]

I mean, you must know, at a minimum, this. This is an audience predominantly of women.

[Jared Osmond]

Well, sure.

[Host 2]

Who, who focus on the plights of women and what in the. You know, and. And the. The men they date. And so when you, when you are on camera and you're miked up and you're calling your girlfriend unstable, it is only going to look one way.

[Jared Osmond]

Well, it is, but the problem is it's also out of context. When I say unstable. You even said it, but they didn't. They didn't really focus on that. It wasn't. If you would just be stable for five minutes. It was actually filled with a lot of love. If, if you look back and see the way that I saw it now, I can't. The delivery was terrible. But the love that can part came in with. If you'd be stable for five minutes and just not run, just take a minute. Let's both breathe, let's both work through problems. If it's just constant, every time we're going to have a fight, it's going to break up.

[Host 1]

But did it still end with her walking off like it showed?

[Jared Osmond]

Truthfully, yes, it did. And I actually thought we made great television. I actually went to go find her and she was gone.

[Host 2]

You know, I learned something when I will never forget this night. I was a freshman in college, I had a girlfriend and I said, why don't you pipe down?

[Jared Osmond]

Well, there you go.

[Host 2]

And that was not received very well. And I learned a valuable lesson at the age of 18.

[Jared Osmond]

And women don't like that.

[Host 2]

That any commentary around. Calm down, pipe down. You're overly emotional, you're unstable.

[Jared Osmond]

That's not a good look, is it?

[Host 2]

Category. There is no Grace. There is no, don't shut your mouth. Just keep your opinions to yourself. I learned that at 18 years old.

[Jared Osmond]

I wish I would have learned that.

[Host 2]

I am a guy. I gotta assume that at some point you've been told by some woman in your life that that is just the absolutely wrong thing to say or suggest. And it will never. No context will matter.

[Jared Osmond]

No, you're right. And I have learned that after that particular episode. Well, there was an episode last season, the very last episode, in the Reunion, and then this. I received hundreds of DMS filled with Hate.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Jared Osmond]

Like, I mean, unbelievable hate. And I would look at it, I did look at it, and, you know, there's embarrassment. As I watched, I was embarrassed because it did come off very poorly. And you're right. And I'm a little bit reactive when it comes to the emotional side of things. And so I find myself in that reactive lion kind of state. And I know better. Yeah.

[Host 1]

Going back to Angie's brow girl.

[Brittany]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Last season, that was a little bit of a storyline.

[Jared Osmond]

Yes.

[Host 1]

Is this a woman that you were seeing?

[Jared Osmond]

Never dated her. We're just friends, like I was saying. Okay. She's going through some really heavy things right now. I actually think she's a great person. And we. That whole thing got blown out of her perspective. Brittany and I were broken up when I sent her the dm, and quite honestly, the DM was really innocent and really silly. She's just a friend. In fact, I still care about her as a friend. We don't hang out. I've only met her a couple of times, but we kind of navigated through that and it was sensationalized so much, like so many things are, which makes.

[Host 2]

A lot of sense.

[Host 1]

But we saw a scene with Whitney and Brittany outside of some store or something, and this was right before the trip on the boat, she talks about her daughters. Kind of asked her to take a break from you. And I guess since Britney is so good at leaving you and being done, why is that her children's wishes? Your children don't want y' all to be together. Why is that so hard for you to kind of listen to the kids and be like, okay, let's. Okay, let them have what they want.

[Jared Osmond]

And okay, well, let's hit that head on. Brittany's children and my children are full grown adults. Okay. We all have trauma, but I think there's a moratorium on blaming your parents when you hit 18.

[Host 2]

That's fair.

[Jared Osmond]

I struggle with it, even with my own kids to tell me how to live my life. It's weird. Yet the reason Brittany and I are just slow playing right now, look, we're together and we're thriving and things are going well and we're very happy. But the reason we've slow played, even with the engagement and everything else and what we're doing is because, quite honestly, we want our children to be on our team. And we know we need to show them some sort of stability before they will be. And that's kind of the key. Whether they do or not. I'm not going to hold my breath. Brittany has A great relationship with her kids. I thought I did with mine. I do. But there's a couple that are very, very triggered by Brittany and I together.

[Host 2]

What triggers them?

[Jared Osmond]

This show.

[Host 2]

So it's not Britney, it's the show.

[Jared Osmond]

Well, it's what Britney said on season one that really drove them crazy. One of the promises that was made.

[Host 2]

What did she say?

[Jared Osmond]

Well, to my children. We sat down when Brittany announced that she was gonna do the show. She asked me what I thought. I said, brittany, I will never be that guy that tells you what to do. I'm not that guy. I'm not a jealous guy with my children. When Brittany announced that she was gonna go on the show, they were immediately triggered, and they're like, wait, we don't like this. And she said to them, she promised them, I will not drag your dad through the mud on national television. That did not happen. Now Brittany owns that too. Like, we both made mistakes. And now my kids look at that, and they go, wow. And the way that that's played into my Persona, like, I can't go anywhere now in Utah, especially without people going.

[Host 2]

I heard a rumor you get booed at the airport.

[Jared Osmond]

Oh, I get booed at the airports. Got booed at BravoCon. People walk up. I was actually in Scottsdale the other day, and 20 women at the W Hotel jumped the ropes from a private party, came over like, you're Jared Osmond. And they had one question. Are you that big of a douchebag in real life? And I looked up at them as I was sitting down with investors that I teach for, and I said, yes, I am. Any other questions? Like, what do you want to talk about? So about two minutes in, the lady goes, wow, you're a lot nicer than we thought you'd be. People don't really know who I am. I don't think people understand who I am.

[Host 2]

Well, we've only really seen you be an asshole.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah. Well, that's fair. And that's why the show paints me, and I give them that content.

[Host 2]

Yeah, Yeah. I have to really.

[Jared Osmond]

I'm not saying I don't agree, and I'm not saying that I didn't say what I said, but there's. There are things missing.

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah, listen. 100% reality TV will. Will Silo you into a character.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

They will focus on aspects of your personality. We are all far more dynamic as individuals. That's why I love doing what we do to have these conversations, to allow people see the other sides of them. But I think it's a really important part that you.

[Jared Osmond]

I own it.

[Host 2]

You have given them so much stuff to work with and like, or the, you know, or, you know. DMing people and just the reactive nature. It seems like you've said the word reactive a few times where it's just like at some point you met. You said people don't change, they adapt and learn. When are you going to adapt and learn now that the girlfriend that you can't seem to quit apparently is only becoming more and more popular in this universe and she doesn't even have a snowflake yet. Emphasis on yet. And how are you going to correct course? Because either you can listen to your kids and quit Brittany and move on and say, listen, follow your dreams, let's be friends, but I truly can't do this. Or are you going to say, it is what it is, let's just find a new way forward. How do we navigate? I'm going to learn that I'm not going to reach react because like, that's never gonna win and I'm just going to be the stable presence in Brittany's life and. And just not going to give them anything to work with.

[Jared Osmond]

No, that's really fair. The. And even some of the house husbands have come to me and said, you talk too much. You should not talk so much. They did. They're like, just shut your mouth and let the girls talk and go, huh, Too bad. Okay, babe, that's it. Right? So, yeah, I've given Bravo a lot of content to use. So when am I going to adapt and learn? Well, I think I'm in real time doing that. I mean, here I am doing something, quite honestly, I don't want to do. I don't want to be on tv. It's a misconception people have of me.

[Host 1]

So the first contract you signed was.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah, just ongoing. So when I film, they have that I don't have to film.

[Brittany]

Okay.

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Host 1]

Right.

[Jared Osmond]

But you know, when you do you give them the right to pay you and whatever. Yeah, they really, in the contract, I think it says that they can use my likeness and they can disparage me.

[Host 2]

Yeah, yeah.

[Host 1]

Every.

[Host 2]

Every reality. They're pretty upfront.

[Jared Osmond]

They warned me. You bet.

[Host 2]

So we're going to bring Brittany in here momentarily, but I guess before we do, I'm just like, what? How do you see this going? Or how would you like your relationship with Brittany and your relationship with Bravo to move forward?

[Jared Osmond]

Britney is a Bravo liberty. Right. So that's what they. Everybody calls her. And I want her relationship to continue with Bravo. I think mine's done. You keep saying, I think, well, I'm not going to totally put myself in that corner of saying, well, I'm never going to do anything. But I think I'm done. I'm done giving Bravo all this content.

[Host 2]

But I think you saying, I think every time you say it is meaningful. The same way you try to quit Britney. I mean, you kind of sound like the 25, the 22 year old me or the 22 year old girl is like, yeah, we're done. Oh my God, I'm so done with him.

[Jared Osmond]

I will call it right here. I'm done filming. Filming. Okay. It's not my thing. It's not my life. I really think the story doesn't need to be about Brittany and I all the time anymore. Brittany is so good on her own and she brings so much content to the show. She's so interesting to watch. She's raw and vulnerable.

[Host 2]

But if, let's assume Brittany continues on this show, I hope she does. And let's assume you guys figure it out. Yeah, you will. I mean, you are a part of her life. So whether you film or not, of course you're going to have to figure out how. How you, you will certainly get brought up and discussed in a way that's going to irritate you. You like, you seem to have a, like a relationship with Heather.

[Jared Osmond]

Oh, yeah, we're. I really like Heather Gates. She's great.

[Host 2]

These people know you and like they, you know.

[Jared Osmond]

No, they're all great actually, and they're.

[Host 2]

Working for the show and you know you're gonna get brought up. I mean, you're gonna get triggered. How are you gonna be able to not dig yourself?

[Jared Osmond]

I hope so. No, I mean, I'm not planning on filming again. That is the honest truth.

[Host 2]

But why can't you film and show up in a way that's more like supportive and calming?

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah. And again, I agree that is a path. But I also want to live up to my word to my children that I'm done with reality television so that my children jump back on Team dad and understand that my resolve is this. Now, Brittany, that's her career, it's not mine. I don't get paid to do this. I put myself out there and get destroyed online.

[Host 2]

You just do it for fun.

[Jared Osmond]

I do it for fun. Very masochistic. Anyway, so it's something that I need to live up to with my children. And again, these private, sacred things in a relationship really are. And I realize when you're on reality television, it's your life on film. And so Brittany will say what she wants to say. I'm never going to direct her or tell her what to say or do, but I don't have to participate in the filming side of that. And I think that actually might be a better way to structure our relationship so that. That I'm not always in reaction.

[Host 2]

How do you think you could be a better partner to Brittany?

[Jared Osmond]

My goodness. Should I lay down and tell you about my mother? This is a psychological dig right there. Let me tell you what I think I've done right where I think I've failed. I've shown up for her in ways that I think a masculine, real man should. I think men should live in their masculine. You should make your partner feel safe. And I have tried to do that in every other way, except for this emotional side where I have not made her feel safe. And this is why she runs. Oh, it's gigantic. And we're trying to work through it. And this is why we're still here. That's why we're still present, trying to work through it. People may judge that and say, well, this, like when she kissed me at BravoCon was really controversial. And everybody booed. And they're like, they don't know that we're working in a relationship. It's not all sunshine and roses. Otherwise the divorce rate wouldn't be what it is. And so we're just trying to take what we've been given and figure it out. So what could I do better? Well, I think I would say that it's doing exactly that. Just being present and being understanding in a loving way that this is her career and supporting that the best that I can am and being solid. I have to determine. And this has been the on and off again for us. It's really come down to the show. For me, if I look back over the last two years, the thing that's made me pull back and created the drama with her is that I didn't think I could do this with the show. I don't like it. The show, to me, is really controversial. So I pulled back, and then she got triggered and ran. And so when I'm on the river saying, if you'll just be stable for five minutes, it wasn't to be misogynistic. It was just, hey, stop. Just stop. And let's think through what is the problem now. There's always a nuance that has to be dealt with. There's always something that happens in a relationship where, you know, it's not it's. People don't know the inner workings of what we've been through. And so to be able to say, just stop. I said it poorly and I shouldn't. She's a stable person. I shouldn't have said that. But, you know, there. There are things to be worked through rather than to just cut and run.

[Host 2]

Well, just kind of back to the thing that I said that you agreed with. I think again, like, just in general, there's the. The. The word stable doesn't really land, but again, to contextualize, I think, why it's received the way it is, because again, the thing that you acknowledge it just, well, you're unstable. But I'm doing the things that's kind of driving you to this instability, and I'm playing a big role in this instability. And then you call her stable. So the people listening are like, well, how convenient. You're calling her unstable. But you're a big part of why she can't feel. You mentioned safe. And I think in a lot of ways you show up and you seem to be taking care of her, but, like, what she can't seem to do is trust how you will show up for her consistently. And that makes her feel, it seems like very unsafe or unsure or confused.

[Jared Osmond]

Just kidding.

[Host 2]

Confused in that confusion seems to create that back and forth with her that you refer to as unstable.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah, no, it is. And again, like I said earlier, I have to take responsibility. I believe that I'm the reason we've broken up so many times. And if you look at how we trauma bonded into the relationship, not as an excuse, but just as a factor, you know, we trauma bonded in. It took me quite a long time to get over my ex, which took time. And then all of a sudden, the show shows up. Right. As soon as that transition started to be made and she and I are all in, the show comes along and there's a whole new topic to deal with that I never suspected would happen. And there's a spotlight that shine on everything that I've done bad just. It's out there and every little comment and every little thing anybody can dig up. I mean, there's so many anonymous accounts just pumping out fake information about me. So it is what it is, and it's not all fake. I mean, I have to own, you know, there are things that I've done wrong and, you know, radical acceptance of those is what's needed. And so that's where I've been to just kind of go, okay, well, yeah, I did that wrong. And so what's the path? I can't do anything about yesterday except repent. Right? So here I am trying to be that guy.

[Host 2]

I think we bring in Brittany.

[Host 1]

All right, let's do it.

[Host 2]

Our favorite part of the holidays is spending time with our family. From baking cookies, decorating the house, and walking around the neighborhood, everyone seems to be in the holiday spirit. And there's nothing that gets us in the spirit more than a Starbucks holiday beverage.

[Host 1]

Now that we have River, I'm really trying to create memories and traditions that she will carry on throughout her life and something that I'm really loving doing. We did it last year and obviously we're gonna do it again this year, but it's going to Starbucks, getting a holiday drink and then driving through the neighborhoods and like looking at all the Christmas lights on all the houses and seeing all the houses decorated and like the blow ups in everyone's front yard and like sipping on our warm, hot.

[Host 2]

I look forward to that holiday drink also. Back in my sales days when I worked from home, I'd always go to a Starbucks and work because I wanted to get out of the house. And definite during the holiday season I get my peppermint mocha and you just kind of see people coming in like different. You kind of feel the holiday energy with people coming in during Christmas time. It was always really enjoyable. I really had to get out of the house when I was stuck at home working.

[Host 1]

Well, the peppermint mocha is a Starbucks signature espresso. Combined with steamed milk, mocha sauce and peppermint flavored syrup is topped with whipped cream and dark chocolate curls. What more could you ask for? Delicious.

[Host 2]

It's honestly how I learned to drink coffee. This was my first Starbucks peppermint mocha.

[Brittany]

Yeah, we used to when I worked.

[Host 1]

There, we would put ristretto shots in.

[Jared Osmond]

It and we would like mod it a bit.

[Host 2]

Well, it was a white chocolate mocha and then during the holiday season, I transferred over to the peppermint.

[Host 1]

There's no better feeling than when the cups turn red at Starbucks. I know. That is so true. Another favorite of mine is the caramel brulee latte. That one is so good.

[Brittany]

Yeah, that's my favorite.

[Host 1]

The caramel brulee is Starbucks signature espresso. It's topped with whipped cream and caramel brulee topping. Rediscover the little moments of joy that make the holidays brighter at Starbucks. Step into the warmth of the season with a visit to Starbucks where every sip makes the holidays feel a little bit more special.

[Host 2]

Well, don't forget, together is the best place to be. Connect over your holiday favorites at Starbucks.

[Brittany]

Hi. She's doing some homework. I'm reading up on the. Hi, babe.

[Jared Osmond]

Hi.

[Brittany]

You want to kiss me?

[Jared Osmond]

Yes, I do.

[Brittany]

I need one.

[Jared Osmond]

If you just stable for five minutes.

[Host 2]

Is there anything in the book you enjoyed reading?

[Brittany]

Well, yeah, I enjoyed the whole thing. In fact, your sentiments mirror my own. Really? Like, I don't know if you know this, but I wrote a dating book, and I'm like, yeah, this is pretty much in line now. Whether or not I, like, keep to this, whether or not I, like, you know, take biomedicine is another. Is another story. Oh, thank you.

[Jared Osmond]

Thank you very much. Yes, that's very kind.

[Host 2]

So you've been listening to our conversation?

[Brittany]

Yeah, it was kind of triggering. I'm gonna sit on this pillow so I feel like a big girl. Yeah, I was, like, kind of triggered back there.

[Jared Osmond]

I'm sorry.

[Brittany]

No, I mean, your questions are, like. Your questions are, like, so spot on. Your. Your assessments are so spot on. It's.

[Host 1]

What was the hardest to. To listen to. To hear back.

[Brittany]

I mean, all of it, but just. Just. It's just all. It's kind of like reliving the trauma that has been our relationship over the last two and a half years, and it's been hard.

[Host 2]

You guys are, as of now, a couple.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah.

[Host 2]

Boyfriend and girlfriend.

[Brittany]

Very much so.

[Host 2]

Okay.

[Brittany]

@ BravoCon, just. Was that just a month ago, like, we weren't. And so when I kissed him, the crowd was booing, and I. I was like, guys, come on, it's Christmas. So I literally walked off the.

[Jared Osmond]

Stage.

[Brittany]

Hi.

[Jared Osmond]

Hi.

[Brittany]

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I walked down the steps, and you know what? And I grabbed his face and I gave him a kiss in the audience, and then I walked back up on stage because.

[Host 1]

Just. Did it kind of hurt your heart to.

[Brittany]

Hear? Yes. Yeah, it really hurt my heart because I love him deeply, like Nick has pointed out several.

[Jared Osmond]

Times.

[Brittany]

I. It's not for lack of love. It's like this hope that it'll turn into something. I mean, I. I just feel like this is like a therapy session unlike any others. Like, for some reason, you guys get it, and you haven't even been in our therapy sessions. Like, you just. You get it more than.

[Host 2]

Anybody. I was gonna ask you, are you guys in. You're in.

[Jared Osmond]

Therapy? We've been in and out of therapy. Okay. We've got it. We've got some great. And we've had some great.

[Host 2]

Discussions. Do you do individual and couple.

[Host 1]

Service?

[Host 2]

Yeah.

[Jared Osmond]

Okay. Just to understand. Understand our triggers. Remember coming out of multiple divorces and things and triggers from relationships and children. There's a lot to work through. And then you throw a reality television show on the top and.

[Host 2]

Wow. When you go to BravoCon together.

[Brittany]

Not. We didn't go together. I went with.

[Host 2]

Olivia. And then you just showed up a little.

[Jared Osmond]

Later. I just want. She kept telling me she would send me DMs and text message, hey, you should be here for so much love. So many people asking about him. And I told her, I said, I will not be received. Well, yeah. And then I showed up, you know, a couple days late, and I walked through the streets trying to get there, and it was just. I could tell that I was in the middle of hell as I walked through Bravo. Con people like, you're the devil. And I would turn to them.

[Host 2]

And they say, do you say this your.

[Jared Osmond]

Face? Oh, yeah. And I would turn to them and say. And say, you need your mom and Jesus right now. You should probably grow up. No, I'm done. You know, I didn't feel like being the nice guy all the time. I said, you need to grow up. I said, it's a reality television show. You guys have no idea. Then I stopped defending myself like I did before, and I said, yep, okay. And I think the fans are just invested in Britney. They have. They want the best for Britney. And I can understand that. I'm very polarizing on the show. The things that come out of my mouth are reactive and polarizing and then edited to look at a little mean.

[Host 2]

Right? Yeah. In a little mean, they come across a little.

[Brittany]

Mean. Well, and you saying that, you know, when are you going to sort of like, course correct and not be reactive? Because if you're gonna. If you're with me, you're stuck on a reality TV show. Even if you're not filming, you're still gonna be talked about. So why not just mind your p's and q's at all times? Because, you know, if you don't, it's not gonna go well. That's kind of triggering, too. I don't know. The whole thing is just so.

[Host 2]

Like, if you're gonna get on the show, sure, if I'm you, I'll take the heat. You being a little corny, giving your girlfriend a bear with you saying you're.

[Jared Osmond]

Loved. Like, I thought that was private. That was a.

[Host 2]

Private. But you know.

[Host 1]

What? Were the fans frustrated that you didn't say I love you? Is that something I.

[Jared Osmond]

Heard? Let me give you the background. Well, Let me give you the background because it's super important. Every year I buy my kids, even as adults, build a bears. And I'll put a little message for their birthdays or something. And it's a little private thing. And typically it ends with, hey, I love you, you are loved. Something like the you are love thing has been something I say all the time. And I said when I gave it to Brittany again, it was just. We were walking through the mall. She goes, I've never had a build a bear. So I grabbed her hand, we came in and I never even. Stupid unicorn. I don't know why I picked the unicorn, but I like. Fine. She asked me to pick it. And I privately went back because I'm a.

[Brittany]

Unicorn. You're an amazing, hot, crazy matrix. You guys familiar? I'm the unicorn.

[Jared Osmond]

Nice. It's iconic.

[Host 2]

Unfortunately. All the things that you get shit on for that ain't it. No one you know, like, that's a silly. That was like, that was. That was you having haters and people.

[Jared Osmond]

Like. And the unicorn never goes away, though. We need to throw it.

[Brittany]

Away. I brought it here. It's.

[Host 2]

Here. No, don't throw it.

[Brittany]

Away. No, it's.

[Host 1]

Iconic. It'll end up.

[Brittany]

On.

[Host 1]

Sure. Watch what happens. Live.

[Host 2]

Set. Despite the shit you're getting for it, it is the nicest thing you've done for her on.

[Jared Osmond]

Tv. Well, if that's the nicest thing that anybody knows about me, they don't know.

[Brittany]

Me. That's.

[Host 2]

True. I'm just simply saying that's the nicest thing you've done for her on.

[Brittany]

Tv. Don't get rid of the nicest thing on.

[Jared Osmond]

Tv. The thing is, there's so.

[Brittany]

Much. Okay, this is what was triggering is that like sitting in there watching this interview. I'm realizing, I mean, usually you're just in the forest. You don't see. You don't see the forest through the trees, right? You just see the trees. So we're in our lives day to day. I just see the trees. But watching you guys talk about the history of our relationship, it made me realize that if I'm really honest with myself, I came into the relationship ready for a relationship. Like, we fell in love as friends first, and I was ready for a relationship. He had his girlfriend snatched right out from under him by my husband. Right. Like, I was in a completely different spot. I was ready for a relationship. He was not. And so really, he had one foot out the door because he wasn't emotionally ready to commit, so. But he loved me and so he was kind of straddling this. I want you, but I don't want you. I'm not ready. You know? And it's sort of like, over the course of two and a half years, it's sort of switched. Like, every time he pulled something kind of one foot out the door. Ish. Then I would. And unsafe for me, I would be like, oh, hell, no. I'm out. Just like you pointed out. And then every time I did that, my heart would close up a little bit. And as he's growing into our relationship, I've been growing out of our relationship. Does that make sense? So I'm not nearly as in as he is, and that's a really good place to be. I feel like if finally, finally the tides have turned where you've come after me in a way that you're like, I'm all in, babe. I am yours. And now I'm like, prove it. And you have been, because we have not been together for eight months since the river. That was my final straw. I was like, oh, I am.

[Host 1]

Never. And then Bravocon, and then Bravo.

[Brittany]

Khan. And then he's been this whole time saying, hey, I'm proving it. I'm. I'm all.

[Host 1]

In. So for those eight months, he was trying to show you that.

[Brittany]

He.

[Host 1]

Yeah. And I.

[Brittany]

Would. I wouldn't have any of.

[Jared Osmond]

It.

[Brittany]

Okay. But he has proven himself to the point where, like, I trust him. I trust him now. Really? Like, we're solid because trust.

[Jared Osmond]

Him. Yeah. I was gonna say, let's define that really.

[Brittany]

Quickly. I trust that he is not going to be dming flirtatious messages, but although that was when we were broken up. I know.

[Jared Osmond]

But. But make sure there's some clarity on these DMs that everybody thinks.

[Brittany]

Is. I just want to put it out there. Like, people have this misconception that he cheats on me. He doesn't. He doesn't at all. He takes an emotional step back, and I'm like, oh, I'm.

[Jared Osmond]

Out. The hardest part. Not to cut you off. One of the hardest parts we've dealt with over the last eight months, being broken up is we haven't missed a day.

[Brittany]

Together. That's.

[Jared Osmond]

True. Now think even when we're dating other people, like, hey, what are you doing? Do you need help? I'll come over and help.

[Brittany]

Her. Yeah, I'll.

[Jared Osmond]

Come. Do whatever. We'll go to lunch. We'll go to dinner. We'll go hang out. Just as friends. There was no physical connection. It was just, hey, we're friends. We love each other. I genuinely love this girl. She is my best friend. The show is polarizing for me. It's not an excuse for bad behavior, but all the DMs she speaks of is Barbara. We've been broken up. And every time we'd break up, it was like she would run to another.

[Brittany]

Guy. No. Well, yeah, that's not true.

[Jared Osmond]

Actually. Sometimes. Not all the.

[Brittany]

Time. You dated way more than I.

[Jared Osmond]

Did. We'll.

[Host 2]

Talk. We can agree that you guys, when you were broken up, acted like people who were broken.

[Jared Osmond]

Up. Yes, we did. So we're good. And that's my point, is we were not. Like, there was so you on.

[Host 1]

The yacht, flirting wasn't all she necessarily.

[Jared Osmond]

Could. She could do what she needed to do. What I got from the yacht. And the reason I was.

[Brittany]

So. You were home, even going, I.

[Jared Osmond]

Was not grabbing, you know, someone of the opposite sex. I'm floating around like, can't we.

[Host 2]

Just agree that, like, you can't.

[Jared Osmond]

Cherry. You're right. I was.

[Host 2]

Jealous. You know, listen, like, you, yes, we are going to get triggered. You know, in person. You're kind of casually dating in a. You know, like, you know, just trying to navigate.

[Jared Osmond]

It.

[Host 2]

Yeah. And it's easy to feel triggered. But like, you, as often most people do, it seems like you prioritize your hurt feelings over maybe hers in a way. Because it's like when she's flirting and you're broken up, it feels different than when you're flirting and you're broken.

[Jared Osmond]

Up. Yeah. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. There is a side of me, again, I don't think I'm the jealous type, but these women are describing what Britney's doing. Oh, she's all over the captain. She's all over this bowboy. Joao. What a dumb name. Joao.

[Brittany]

Jesus. Oh, my.

[Host 2]

Gosh. I feel safe. If she was all over the captain, we.

[Jared Osmond]

Would'Ve. I'm funny that. Say what I want to say, but she's all over these guys. And the girls are not all over these guys. This is what the women are saying. And I'm like, and I'm not.

[Host 2]

Drinking. I want a tour of the.

[Jared Osmond]

Boat. No, it's.

[Brittany]

Amazing.

[Jared Osmond]

See?

[Brittany]

Okay. Yeah. I wanted to get out of that.

[Jared Osmond]

Situation. Well, and then that's what people see. They see the captain coming to your room and you're closing the door. And then I'm like, yeah, the.

[Brittany]

AC really was broken, though. He really was there.

[Host 2]

To. But we know, you know, you know, of all people, that they're going to Use the good stuff, if they have the good.

[Jared Osmond]

Stuff. Well, I do now. I mean, you would think I'd be a quicker learner in this process, but no, I do now, and that's why I don't want to film. And Brittany is so good on her own. Our story is what it is, but for clarity. And the reason we're here is that we are working in real time. Are the triggers gone? No, it's just. We've just learned how to communicate through it, and I hope we can figure it out. I love this.

[Host 1]

Girl. How are your girls doing with y' all being back.

[Brittany]

Together? They're triggered as well. My older daughter, Taylor, not as much, but Olivia definitely is. You know, remember we talked about attachment styles last time I was here, and we talked about your attachments, and Olivia was younger when the trauma happened, and that might have contributed. I had an epiphany while I was here talking to you. It was really.

[Host 1]

Cool. So how are you supporting Olivia, but also, like. Like, being an adult, living your life, trying to be.

[Brittany]

Happy? Such a good.

[Host 1]

Question. What's your kind of. How are you doing it? How are you managing.

[Brittany]

It? Constant communication with Olivia about it. Like, I have to course correct all the time, but I don't. I really am receptive to her feedback. Okay. Like, and. And then little things like, you know, she and I went to BravoCon together. You know, I suggested that Jared come. It was my idea. I was like, look, babe, you've got to come. You're gonna be loved here. That was so. But Jared, like, let us do our thing. We walked. Olivia and I walked together. If he ever hung around with us, he was, like, five steps behind. Literally. He, like, was like, you guys go. Go have food. Go. He never interrupted. I just want to demonstrate that Jared is the opposite of what I was with. He will never come between my kids and me, ever. If not. If anything, he wants to celebrate it. And I. Little things. Like, we watched Livia and I watched the episodes every week together, so Jared showed up to watch it as well. And I didn't change my position on the couch. I was between the armrests, and Olivia and I didn't get up. You know what I mean? Just to show her that. Look, a man can be in proximity, and it's not gonna come between us. Little things like that. And I. I hope to just keep. I'm gonna have to keep demonstrating for the rest of my.

[Host 2]

Life. So you guys getting back together since Bravocon? What? That. What did that conversation look.

[Jared Osmond]

Like? Like, oh, she was all over me. She didn't leave me.

[Brittany]

Alone. She's like, baby, you want to tell them.

[Jared Osmond]

Babe?

[Brittany]

Sure. Okay, go. What did it look.

[Jared Osmond]

Like? You want the.

[Host 1]

Truth?

[Jared Osmond]

Yes. Oh.

[Host 2]

Brother.

[Brittany]

No. I mean.

[Jared Osmond]

Yes. Well, I mean, like, the.

[Host 2]

Truth. We're.

[Brittany]

Here. The vials.

[Jared Osmond]

Deserve. Okay, to my point. To my.

[Brittany]

Point. She best therapist session, she started dating another.

[Jared Osmond]

Person. And I'm like, God, this doesn't feel.

[Brittany]

Right. I did. I went all in with somebody else. Finally, I held off, and so.

[Jared Osmond]

I knocked on her door.

[Brittany]

There. Who are.

[Host 2]

They? Where are.

[Brittany]

They? I don't know. In Salt Lake. I don't know. I haven't.

[Host 1]

Talked. Jared's, like, in a.

[Jared Osmond]

Ditch. What is all somewhere in a.

[Brittany]

Ditch? Well, meaning, like, exclusive. Like. Like, he asked me to be his girlfriend, and I said.

[Host 2]

Yes. How long are you guys dating.

[Brittany]

For? We've been dating off and on for a couple years. Every time.

[Host 1]

Yes. Every time you and Jared would.

[Jared Osmond]

Raise. She always goes back to three.

[Brittany]

Times. No, that is not true. But you. You know who it.

[Host 1]

Is. Wait, I feel like he came.

[Jared Osmond]

On. He was on that party that I showed up.

[Host 1]

At.

[Jared Osmond]

Yes. I was in bed, by the way, when they had that party at Angie's.

[Host 2]

House. Why do I know who this.

[Host 1]

Is? Last.

[Jared Osmond]

Season. Yeah, you don't want to.

[Host 1]

Know. Yeah, she brought him to Angie's party, and then.

[Host 2]

Jared. So you found out that she was boyfriend and girlfriend, and you were.

[Jared Osmond]

Like. Well, it wasn't so much that. It was more of. I sat.

[Brittany]

There. You've been asking me to get back together for eight.

[Jared Osmond]

Months. I teach real estate seminars all over the world, and I was at a real estate seminar that I was teaching because I enjoy that. It's just something I like to do. And it just kind of hit me. It's hard. And the hardest part and the reason and the thing that people don't understand that the hard part, the reason our breakups are so tough on us, is she actually is my best friend. When you're that close to somebody that knows everything about you, the good and the bad. And again, I'm not the guy that she. I'm not one of her ex husbands. I'm not abusive. I'm not a cheater. I'm not running around. It's just I have my things, and I've backed away. And so I sat there and I texted her, and she's like, don't text me. So I started sending her a little, you know, cameo is. I started asking cameo requests. She blocked on all platforms. She blocked everything. So I started texting her on cameo. And there's a little DM section on the cameo. And all of a sudden, it went from 3.99 a text to.

[Host 1]

$15.99. Oh, hell.

[Brittany]

Yeah. I kept a few thousand dollars in text.

[Jared Osmond]

Messages. I didn't realize that she had upped the.

[Brittany]

Price. I went from, like, there's such.

[Host 2]

A fine line between charming and, like, a little.

[Brittany]

Stalkery. No, it was definitely a little stalkery. But it's only stalkery if you. If you don't want.

[Host 2]

It. I.

[Jared Osmond]

Know. And you didn't want.

[Brittany]

It. Well, not at that time. But then you, like, wore me down because you are my best.

[Host 2]

Friend.

[Jared Osmond]

Wow. And that's a.

[Host 2]

Wrap. I really believe that you guys are best.

[Jared Osmond]

Friends. That's a.

[Brittany]

Wrap. Babe, I'm not trying to hurt your.

[Jared Osmond]

Feelings. She's amazing. Let's get out of.

[Brittany]

Here. That doesn't mean you suck. That. That means you wore me down in the best of.

[Jared Osmond]

Ways. So I show up at her house, and she is preparing for a date with this other guy. He pulls up, and I turn around. I look at him like he was the devil. I'm like, off you go. And I. Through her glass door, I'm like, babe, quite honestly, I don't get.

[Brittany]

It. I genuinely not let him in the.

[Jared Osmond]

Door. And so I said, meet me for breakfast.

[Host 2]

Tomorrow. You're being picked up for a.

[Brittany]

Day.

[Jared Osmond]

Yes. Yeah, he moved.

[Host 2]

On. Where were the cameras?

[Brittany]

There. No, no, for real. And he drove by. He saw Jared at my doorstep, and he's like, what in the world? So he just kept.

[Jared Osmond]

Driving. I was good for the conversation with him, but he didn't want it, so.

[Host 2]

Whatever. Okay, so your. Your best friends. I've. You know, that's easy to believe, you guys every day, but, like, you know, you're obviously both beautiful people. You look great. I'm not suggesting any way that, like, you know, you're old, but, like, at the same. You're not 22 and.

[Brittany]

Anymore.

[Host 2]

Right? So it's kind of like, as they say, you know, as you get older, with people, as you grow older, there's more to relationships than just, like, the physical connection and all the kind of, like, the toxic things we do when we're younger in.

[Brittany]

Relationships.

[Host 2]

Right? Because you guys are such good friends in between the figuring out the divorces and the kids and the relationships. Why can't you just, like. Like, stop being messy in between, you know? Like, is that real life? Listen, what do you.

[Jared Osmond]

Mean? I mean that I'm just. I'm not trying to play it.

[Host 2]

Down. If you're talk. I mean, hang on. I don't know what causes you to say, okay, let's break up, or what? All these. All these breakups. But you're. You know, it's. It seems like the next day you're still like, hey, you know, calling each other and talking about whatever or saying, come to BravoCon. And it's like you're still in each other's.

[Jared Osmond]

Lives. Breakups or pauses. They're not necessarily. This is where everybody gets it wrong. It's us going pause. Hold.

[Host 2]

On. I don't even think you guys are on the same page in terms.

[Brittany]

Of what the expectations are. That's not true. Because he was. He's right about some things. You know, the rant. The rant you mentioned. Like, Jared said, there's some truth sprinkled in there. And I. Last time I was here with you guys, I gave him credit for me doing well first season. And you're like, don't give him credit. I'm like, yeah, but, like, I mean, it's true. Like, it may. Whatever. It was toxic but.

[Host 1]

Interesting. And the best friend comments. You promised him you.

[Brittany]

Wouldn'T. That's true, too. Was that.

[Host 1]

The. Like, we go to Costco as best.

[Brittany]

Friends. Yeah. Which is.

[Jared Osmond]

True. We do all the.

[Brittany]

Time. He wanted to be best friends at that point, and I wanted a serious relationship at that point, and I'm the one that kind of, like, blew it up in his face. That's true. And his kids have a right to be mad at me. That's.

[Host 1]

True. You run like a scared.

[Brittany]

Child. That was what it.

[Host 1]

Was.

[Jared Osmond]

Okay. Okay. That was just mean. That was mean. And I thought it was private and stupid.

[Brittany]

Way. The way he put it was super mean. And to Nick Vile's point, it's inexcusable to be, like, reacting that way when you should know better. But. But the part that's true is that I have trauma, where at the first whiff of disrespect, I am not willing to, like, stick it out, I cut and run. And it. I am very.

[Jared Osmond]

Very. Yes, you.

[Brittany]

Do. I am very triggered. And then I freeze, flee, run. That's so true. Instead of just, like, staying in.

[Host 1]

It, at the first sign of disrespect.

[Brittany]

At the first sign of anything, any shuttle in the water, any red flag.

[Jared Osmond]

Any kind of conversation we have, and if there's any conflict, she'll bottle up. And the next thing I know, we're done. Ten minutes later or less, I get a text, you're blocked. Leave me.

[Brittany]

Alone. So you say pause because, you know, we'll get back together, and I'm literally telling him and acting like. Like, you're dead to me. Walk on every.

[Jared Osmond]

Part. This is where I don't understand it, because I'm not that.

[Host 2]

Way. Do you poke the bear.

[Jared Osmond]

Ever? All the.

[Brittany]

Time. What does that mean? What do you.

[Jared Osmond]

Mean? I kind of see how far I can take.

[Host 2]

It. Well, it's like one of those things where, you know, you can recognize that, like, anytime I get triggered and whatever, I shut down. And he's like, you can't do that, and that's frustrating. And he, like, consciously or subconsciously decides to poke the bear to see if he will shut down this time, you know, so she hasn't learned yet. She's gonna do the same thing again. I'm gonna test her, you know, I'm gonna do. I'm gonna say and do the thing that I know is gonna set her.

[Brittany]

Off. Do you do that.

[Jared Osmond]

Babe? Well, I think some of it. I think some of it, as I look back on it, I may be doing it, quite honestly, because I need the pause because I can't figure the show out. I think I actually poked the bear because I. I need it to shut down for a minute because I don't know how to negotiate.

[Brittany]

It.

[Jared Osmond]

Yep. I don't like the show. I don't like what's happening to my name out.

[Brittany]

There.

[Jared Osmond]

Yeah. I don't like all these fake accounts talking crap about me that, quite honestly, it's not.

[Brittany]

True. He pushes me away from. Well, a little bit of those.

[Jared Osmond]

Things. I'm not saying that I don't. I.

[Brittany]

Do. I'm happy to oblige. I'm like, yep, you're going. That's been our.

[Jared Osmond]

Dance. And yet, you know. And then a week later or less, we're back again, and it feels like a pause to me. I do think that there's a reaction on both sides. Your reaction is to cut and run and flee, like I mentioned on the river. And that's the stability that I spoke about. And it's so out of context, because I really did say that with love. You just didn't quite get that on.

[Host 1]

Camera. Did you feel it with love at.

[Jared Osmond]

Moment? She was reactive on that, I.

[Brittany]

Think. No. I thought I was harsh, but I also feel like it was kind of on brand with the way that we've been in this dysfunctional dance of when you need to pull back, because. And to be fair, like, John Gottman, men are from Mars, women are from Venus. Like, we're Going to that.

[Jared Osmond]

Seminar. That's not John Gottman. That's.

[Brittany]

Okay. Oh, who is.

[Jared Osmond]

He? I don't know. Whatever. But I'm with.

[Host 1]

You. One boys go to Jupiter to get more super. That.

[Jared Osmond]

One. Yeah, that's the.

[Brittany]

One. But like, men are a rubber band. Like, they. They have a need to pull back and. And then they will spring right back. But every time he pulled back, and I would cut and be like, no. So it's. It's just this dysfunctional dance that we're trying to.

[Jared Osmond]

Walk. So basically it's not my fault.

[Host 2]

Folks. I mean, like. Yeah, I mean, part of it is watching him every time you're frustrated seems.

[Jared Osmond]

Unproductive. Yes. Yeah, it is.

[Brittany]

Unproductive. No, it is. It is. And that's the part that I own, is that I do in that way. I have been unstable in that I just am triggered, and I really do have a lot of.

[Host 2]

Damage. Well, the good news is, from a show standpoint, it even feels like the fans. While very entertaining season one, and we loved the unicorn, but your guys instability is kind of like, old.

[Brittany]

Hat. Yeah, it.

[Host 2]

Is. It's kind of.

[Brittany]

Like. Okay, it.

[Jared Osmond]

Is. Some people have had it with the story, I.

[Host 1]

Think.

[Host 2]

Yeah. It's just.

[Jared Osmond]

Like. I think they're.

[Brittany]

Done. Yeah. Thank heavens. We're.

[Host 1]

Solid. Now, moving on a little bit from the two of you. You said in the beginning of this conversation, Jared, that during the entire plane incident, Brittany was texting.

[Jared Osmond]

You. Yes. Four and a half.

[Host 1]

Hours. Do you have your phone on you? Can we, like. Do you remember some of.

[Jared Osmond]

This? I remember all of it, and I don't. I do not want to show you. Okay. I'm happy to talk about it. I'm not gonna give that. That's just cannon fodder for me, but I'm happy to answer your.

[Host 2]

Questions. Well, I want to hear from Brittany. I mean, you were. Were there. And I also. We do love the other women, and we don't want them to be pissed at.

[Brittany]

All. Yeah, yeah. I'll handle it.

[Host 2]

Delicately. But listen, it was like that we had you here on this couch right before that.

[Brittany]

Episode. You're.

[Host 2]

Back. So I appreciate it. But. Yeah, I mean, just. Could you just whatever you're able and can share or feel comfortable sharing. Can you just describe the.

[Jared Osmond]

Planet?

[Brittany]

Yeah. I mean, obviously I can't speak to what hasn't been aired yet. And we just filmed the.

[Host 2]

Reunion. You know.

[Host 1]

Is. I mean, Andy has asked the question several.

[Brittany]

Times.

[Host 1]

Yeah. Is there.

[Host 2]

Footage? Do you think. Do you think more will be revealed when it comes to the plane ride, that people might be able to not have to listen to someone's story and maybe just see.

[Brittany]

It? You know what? I don't think that this is a surprise to anybody, but sadly, no. And there's a reason for that. The reason is really well described in the reunion, but why no one pulled out their phones. But I'm sort of like going off of what Andy is already sharing on watch what happens and stuff. But he's already pointed out that, I mean, this week on watch what happens? Just that. Can you imagine if I had pulled out my phone, like, the way I was treated when I started to film on. When I was just sending a video to Olivia, and the reaction that I got, you know, can you imagine if I was purposefully trying to film Meredith? Like, I.

[Jared Osmond]

Just. I think you should.

[Brittany]

Have. Well, now, in Hindsight, of course, 2020, I wish that I.

[Host 2]

Had. But if you had word, in your opinion, what do you think the collective Bravo fans would think about this situation, specifically.

[Brittany]

Meredith? I don't think they would even believe it. I don't think they would even remotely. Their minds would be blown, Literally.

[Host 2]

Blown. Do you think Meredith would be. Have to leave the show as a.

[Brittany]

Result? I don't know that, but I definitely think that it would be shocking because it was shocking. It was shocking that any human being would treat another human being like.

[Host 2]

That. Is there one or two specific things that Meredith said to you that you thought was.

[Brittany]

Unforgivable? Oh, yeah. There was so much. There was so much. And it's literally so bad and so below the belts and in. And so the opposite of who I actually am that I can only. I don't even want to give oxygen to what those words were that she was saying. They're that deplorable. They're inexcusable. They're deplorable. Deserve punishment for even saying that about someone without any merit. They were only meant to hurt me.

[Host 2]

And. But you can't. You can't.

[Brittany]

Share. No, because I don't. I don't want to. I don't want to put the energy out there. There's not a cell in my body that embodies anything. And if anything, I would say it has to be projection. How else could someone come up with things that are the opposite of someone else else unless they themselves embody some of that? Think about it. Like, you know, when people say, I have a hunch, but it's the opposite of the truth. It usually, like, starts from within. They have a hunch about something because that's who they are. At some level. It's the only. That's the only explanation I can give. I don't know. I don't.

[Host 2]

Know. Do you think Meredith's unwillingness to acknowledge anything is out of fear of what, You. To almost get herself in trouble in a way? Like, she doesn't want to admit Meredith's the lawyer, so to.

[Brittany]

Speak. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe she's like. Yeah. Taking some of her own advice as an attorney, just in a dep. Yeah, you're right. She kind of acts like she's in a.

[Host 1]

Deposition.

[Brittany]

Yes. No. Yes. Sadly, I know all about that. Yes. No. And for me, I'm just.

[Host 1]

Like. Like, I don't.

[Brittany]

Recall. I don't recall. No, for real. For real. Right. For me, I. I feel like the longer I'm involved with these women and on this show, the more transparent you get, because, a, it's the highest form of vibration in a human being, is authenticity more than love, and I really believe in that. And second, it's just so much easier. You don't have to keep track of, like, who said who you said what to and why and how and the way it's gonna be spun and just, like, just be you and just tell the truth. The end. For better or for worse. I just feel like it serves me really.

[Host 2]

Well. Have you and Lisa made.

[Brittany]

Up? You'll just have to stay tuned for.

[Jared Osmond]

That.

[Brittany]

Okay. Because maybe. Maybe.

[Jared Osmond]

Not. Okay.

[Host 1]

Okay. Okay. What are your thoughts? It was leaked that Bronwyn and Todd are separating. She mentioned that at.

[Brittany]

Reunion. Yeah, that's definitely a reunion thing. But it's all.

[Host 1]

Over. It's.

[Brittany]

Everywhere. Yeah. I mean, the question is, who leaked it? You know what I.

[Host 2]

Mean? Like, who is the leader in hair and.

[Host 1]

Makeup? Yeah. Some.

[Brittany]

Pa. They're so buttoned up. They're so buttoned up. Like, it was, like, out the next day or even that after Braun's made a.

[Jared Osmond]

Statement. She.

[Brittany]

Has. She has now, but it was.

[Jared Osmond]

Out.

[Brittany]

Out. Like.

[Host 2]

I've. I really enjoyed my time with Bron, and I thought she was lovely, and she's, you know, I really, like, enjoyed listening to her talk about her husband.

[Brittany]

Todd.

[Host 2]

Yeah. I'm a little confused about whether her relationship is off limits or.

[Brittany]

Not. Right.

[Host 2]

Right. Because I. You know, as much as, like, we love talking about this show and dissecting it and it's all silly and fun, like, you guys are people, and we don't want to, like. I don't know. Like, we like our privacy. You know, we. We do this show, and we. We want to be open and vulnerable with aspects of our lives, but, like, we like our privacy, so we want to be respectful, you know, and if. If Bron's going through something personal. Yeah, it's like, it's. You know, and.

[Jared Osmond]

She.

[Host 2]

She. She needs to go through it. But it is confusing because it's like, as fans, we assume that if you're going to bring something to the table and. And talk about it on camera, then, you know, part of this world is being vulnerable with your lives. And us kind of like football fans. Breaking it all down Monday morning quarterback. I relate to that. I don't relate to that. I can't believe this. I can't believe that's what we do. And it's like with Bron, I'm a little confused if that's on the.

[Brittany]

Table. Well, your confusion matches our own. And I think I can speak to that because it was in the last episode, we're all on the beach, and Heather and Whitney were like, well, which is it? And even Mary was confused. Like, you can't say something and put it out there and then backpedal and then take it back. I mean, which is it? Are you. Is your relationship open for us to discuss or is it not? And you're backpedaling on what you said before. I mean, we're all sort of confused about the same thing. People say that she's transparent, and I am not sure I know who Bronwyn is yet, to be.

[Host 2]

Honest. Appreciate you guys coming. We do have to wrap. What do you think the rest of the women, if they choose to listen to this episode, are gonna think about the two of you? And I guess how, assuming you never come on the show again, how do you imagine your relationship with Jared will be viewed by the rest of your.

[Brittany]

Peers? You know, that's an interesting question. I think that now that we're solidly together and we're actually gonna work through stuff, and I'm not gonna do my part of the dance and freeze and flee, and he's so much in and invested, and I feel really safe emotionally now to. To stay and work there. I think that it doesn't really matter what anyone thinks because I'm gonna defend it to the death like everybody else. You know, I'm gonna do. I am gonna do a better job of defending the privacy of what he wants, to be kept private and our ins and outs, like everybody else does. Everyone else defends their relationship to the devil, and that's what I'm gonna.

[Jared Osmond]

Do.

[Host 2]

Good.

[Brittany]

Okay. He deserves act. I mean, he's such a good person, and I want to shine a big spotlight on that rather than just our down.

[Host 2]

Moments. Well, Jared, I appreciate you.

[Jared Osmond]

Coming. Thanks for having.

[Host 2]

Me. How do you feel like this went? Are you happy with it? Are you glad you showed.

[Jared Osmond]

Up? I'm glad I showed up. It's always nice to have a platform to support speak and know that I'm not just gonna have a 2 1/2 minute edit like on the show. So it's nice. I mean, I. I have to own what I've done wrong, and like I said, that's the only path forward. But it is important to me that. That private things and sacred things in a relationship remain that. And that's why, you know, I think as we're working through things, it'll get better and better, I hope. And this show is very polarizing for me and, and for my kids. And so we're hopeful to work through all that. I mean, that's really the hope that I have. And so, yeah, I'm grateful for the time. I appreciate you guys having.

[Host 2]

Me. We appreciate you coming, genuinely. And it's always good to see.

[Brittany]

You. It's so good to.

[Host 2]

See. When are you gonna get a.

[Brittany]

Snowflake? Well, I got one last night at John Hill's.

[Host 2]

Show.

[Brittany]

Okay. Just kidding. He gave me a snowflake. I don't know. I. I don't know. I hope it's this season.

[Host 1]

Though. Me.

[Brittany]

Too. I.

[Host 1]

Hope. Me too. You.

[Host 2]

Deserve. Either.

[Brittany]

Way. Either way. I'm literally so grateful to just. Just be where I am, doing what I'm.

[Host 1]

Doing. So crushing.

[Host 2]

It. Well, happy New Year's.

[Brittany]

Guys. Thank you so much for having.

[Host 2]

Us. To a stable 2026 for you.

[Brittany]

Two. Cheers to that. Ding, ding.

[Host 2]

Ding. Can I. The chances you two don't break up in 2026, we.

[Host 1]

Are. New Year's.

[Jared Osmond]

Resolution. We're just going to show up every day and do our very best and communicate and try to get over our triggers. We're going to choose each other and.

[Brittany]

Try. That's.

[Jared Osmond]

True. I don't know what else we can do. I think that's the biggest.

[Brittany]

Thing. So far, so good. It's been a month and usually we would have broken up twice by now.

[Host 2]

Okay. Okay. There you go. Well, thank you guys for listening. Thank you to Jared and thank you to Brittany. Have a very happy new year and we'll see you next.

[Jared Osmond]

Year.

[Host 1]

Thanks, Guys. Thanks for helping me carry my Christmas tree.

[Jared Osmond]

Zoe. This thing weighs a.

[Host 2]

Ton. Drewski, live with your legs.

[Host 1]

Man.

[Host 2]

Santa. Santa, did you get my.

[Jared Osmond]

Letter. He's talking to you.

[Host 2]

Bridges. I'm.

[Host 1]

Not. Of course he did. Right.

[Host 2]

Santa? You know my elf Drew Ski here. He handles the nice.

[Jared Osmond]

List. And elf, I'm six' three. What everyone wants is iPhone 17 and at T Mobile you can get it on them. That center stage front camera is amazing for group selfies, right, Mrs.

[Host 1]

Claus? I'm Mrs. Claus's much younger sister. And AT T Mobile there's no trade in needed when you switch, so you can keep your old phone or.

[Host 2]

Give it as a.

[Host 1]

Gift. And the best part? You can make the switch to T Mobile from your phone in just 15.

[Jared Osmond]

Minutes. Nice. My side of the tree is.

[Host 2]

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