E1057 - RHOSLC With Fancy Hagood, VPR, New Years Resolutions, And Kyle And Mauricio Reconnected

Summary

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The Viall Files — E1057 Reality Recap with Fancy Hagood

RHOSLC, VPR, New Year’s Resolutions, & Kyle/Mauricio

Original Release: January 6, 2026
Host: Nick Viall (with Natalie Joy, Mary, Justin, Leia, Sierra)
Special Guest: Fancy Hagood
Main Segments: New Years catch-up, 2026 Reality TV preview, Housewives & reality news, RHOSLC deep-dive, VPR recap

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Episode Overview

Kicking off 2026, Nick and the Household get together for a signature Reality Recap, this week joined by southern pop/country musician and Bravo superfan Fancy Hagood (“Who Is Fancy”). The episode is a warm, hilarious, and roving conversation—starting with New Year’s reflections, hot Bravo and reality TV gossip, recaps of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City and Vanderpump Rules, plus some juicy takes on pop culture headlines and the evolving landscape of television.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Scene: New Year’s Reflections

Timestamps: 01:19–04:39

• Couch Rot & Resolutions: The crew laments the post-holiday rut (“A little rot, a little couch rot, a little bedrock.” – Mary, 02:54) and nostalgically discusses the pros and cons of easing back into routines.
• Celebrating in Style: Mary shares her “quiet New Year” story—two-hour bubble baths, Beverly Hills Hotel, and loving rituals—and gets the group sentimental and a bit incredulous.
  • “That’s real love.” — Nick (04:10)
• Times Square Tales: Detailed (and hilarious) deconstruction of the perils of doing NYE at Times Square—frozen pee diapers, obscured ball drops, “volunteer” confetti clouds, and why they’ll all happily stay home.

2. New Year’s Resolutions

Timestamps: 09:21–10:25

• Everyone shares half-hearted or realistic goals, with laughs (“No drink in January. Maybe I’ll work out more.” – Mary, 03:13).
• Justin’s is simply “follow-through,” and Nick reveals impressive willpower avoiding sugar for a year (“I didn’t eat sugar all last year…” – Nick, 09:56).

3. Preview: Hot Reality TV Shows in 2026

Timestamps: 10:25–14:30

• Deadline’s Anticipated List: The crew runs through 2026’s most-anticipated reality TV, showing major excitement for:
  • The Valley: Persian Style — MJ returns, promising “Shahs of Sunset” energy.
  • Fear Factor (hosted by Johnny Knoxville) — Some are in, some can’t deal with bugs.
  • Love Overboard (hosted by Gabby Wendy) — “Below Deck” meets dating show on a yacht.
  • Ladies of London — A much-missed franchise returns.
  • Real Housewives of Rhode Island — Featuring Bachelor alum Ashley Iacometi.

Notable Quote:
“Love Is Blind aim[ed] to see if looks weren’t a factor, Age of Attraction will ask a similar question about age… [with] daters ranging from 22 to 59.”
— Natalie (13:19), reading the blurb for her and Nick’s new Netflix dating show Age of Attraction.

4. Gossip & Relationship Updates

Timestamps: 14:36–21:24

• Alex Earle’s Revenge: Alex Earle spotted out with Tom Brady, “...after NFL boyfriend Braxton. ‘To have Alex Earle make you famous as an NFL player and then pivot… to the greatest football player of all time, that is crazy.’” — Nick (15:20)
• Kyle & Mauricio Are Reconnected: The group ponders the evolving “Bravolebrity Ben Affleck & JLo.” Nick praises their continued familial respect:
  • “...there is a clear respect that Mauricio has for Kyle and vice versa, and I think that is a beautiful thing...” (17:19)
• Back With the Exes?: Leia and Mary discuss Kelsey Ballerini and Chase Stokes’ reconciliation. Leia shares statistics:

  “...only 32% of exes will get back together. And of those..., roughly 18% have stayed together for over a year after reconciling.” (20:37)

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RHOSLC Deep-Dive with Fancy Hagood

Timestamps: 24:16–61:22

Fancy Hagood Joins

• New Year’s Adventures: Fancy recaps NYE from Jersey City, fireworks, and random gay Florida gems (Wilton Manors).
• His Reality TV Love Story: Adoration for all things Bravo — “It’s my guilty pleasure, but I don’t feel guilty about it at all.” (28:21)
• RHOSLC is the “Crown Jewel”: “I’ll not hear any negative things about Salt Lake City… I was there since Hospital Smell, and I love it.” (29:07)
• Unique Utah TV: Compares “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives” to RHOSLC—praising their lack of “sleeper characters” and total commitment.

Quotes:

• “There’s no one not playing. They all know the assignment.” — Fancy (30:28)
• “You can’t be a superfan and then be a Housewife… unless Andy Cohen wants a male real housewife, I am all in.” — Fancy (38:33)

The Monica Garcia Debate

• Monica’s “reality Von Teese” status as a fan-turned-cast-member deeply divides the pod.
  • “It all seemed very kind of random to me… I also don’t know that I believe that production didn’t know she was reality Von Teese because the masterpiece that was those final episodes—Heather’s, like, ‘Receipts, receipts, timeline, screenshots…’ It was so good.” — Fancy (39:48)
• Mary: “If creating a fake account is the worst thing you can do as a housewife, I just don’t think that the crime fits not being able to come back.” (39:04)

RHOSLC Season Recap — Rapid Fire

Timestamps: 43:17–44:43

• Glass tray injuries. Meredith’s Zen. Accusations of alcoholism. Steamers gone awry. Lisa Barlow’s tree obsession. Boat fights. Restaurant ejections.
• “Angie gave herself a fresh blowout that morning with an injured hand… And now Angie has people’s piss in her hair.” — Natalie, recapping (44:16)

Additional Bravo Takes

• The pod admires the resilience and authenticity of the “Secret Lives of Mormon Wives” cast (36:03–37:41).
• Nashville Reality TV: Why can’t Nashville-centered reality TV pop? Consensus view: everyone’s too image-conscious, “...the people who should do it and would make it really good probably wouldn’t do it.” — Fancy (59:24)
• Housewives of Rhode Island & more Bachelor/Bravo crossovers discussed.

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Vanderpump Rules: Next Gen Discussion

Timestamps: 64:04–74:10

• The team is “on the fence” about VPR’s new season; feels repetitive compared to OG VPR or other franchises.
• Recap includes: DJ dreams, influencer culture, and awkward “mama” nicknames (66:52–68:57) with quick takes on generational internet lingo.
• Critique: Over-produced, self-aware young cast—missing the raw, messy drama of reality TV origins.
  • “With this show... there’s also the level of the way young people… talk to each other now, which is very TikTok therapy.” — Justin (73:10)
  • “What happened to good, old-fashioned mess? Yell at each other, throw a drink.” — Justin (73:21)

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Memorable & Notable Quotes

• On Alex Earle: “Don’t fuck with Alex Earle. She’s not crying in the club.” — Nick (16:02), Justin/Natalie (16:05)
• On Kyle & Mauricio: “I just think it’s a beautiful thing… that they can celebrate their family without the drama.” — Nick (17:19)
• On Monica Garcia: “You can’t be a superfan and then be a Housewife… unless Andy Cohen wants a male real housewife, I am all in.” — Fancy (38:33)
• On Lisa Barlow’s tree obsession: “She talks to them. They tap her on the shoulder and give her hugs. Every tree in the world communicates. There’s a hidden language.” — Natalie (44:26)
• On reality TV villainy: “No one’s a villain in their own story, which is very fascinating in life.” — Nick (34:23)
• On the future of Nashville reality TV: “...the people who should do it and would make it really good probably wouldn’t do it.” — Fancy (59:24)

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Important Timestamps

• New Year’s Eve stories: 03:29–06:32
• 2026 reality show preview: 10:25–14:30
• Kyle & Mauricio talk: 16:54–19:18
• Fancy Hagood segment begins: 24:16
• Bravo/RHOSLC deep dive: 29:07–47:33
• Vanderpump Rules recap: 64:04–74:10

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Original, Fun Tone Preserved

The episode balances sharp takes with irreverent humor and genuine affection for the messiness that makes reality TV so addictive. Fancy Hagood’s Bravo superfan energy blends seamlessly with the pod’s signature chemistry, making for a colorful episode filled with savage one-liners, personal confessions, and plenty of friendly shade.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This Reality Recap is a must-listen for Bravo die-hards, casual reality fans, and anyone who wants to start 2026 laughing. Highlights include heartfelt New Year’s stories, cutting pop culture commentary, brutally honest reality TV analysis, a loving breakdown of RHOSLC’s ongoing drama, and thoughtful discussions about representation and authenticity both onscreen and off.

Looking for advice, pop gossip, or just the inside scoop on this year’s hottest TV? The Viall Files is still the place to be.

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Transcript

[Nick]

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[Fancy Hey Good]

I'M not into fitness, but I run in tight circles. Another you are. Your friends are. And my friends are stars.

[Natalie]

Sexy.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I don't just stir the. I smoke it. Unlike my schedule, I'm flexible.

[Natalie]

Oh, my God. These are great.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I'm disappointed every year when they put out, like, the taglines. I'm like, who's doing this?

[Nick]

Fashion, fashion, fashion.

[Mary]

You're crazy.

[Nick]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode. Welcome to this episode of the Vile Files reality recap edition. I'm your host, Nick, joined by my marvelous, splendidly superior wife.

[Justin]

Wow. Someone's been reading his thesaurus.

[Nick]

No, that's. That's off the top of my old head. Yeah.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Happy new year.

[Nick]

Happy new year, everybody. Everyone listening? Happy new year to the household that includes everyone here. Sierra, Mary, Justin, Leia, all of you guys listening. We're so happy to be with you in the year of our Lord, 2026. Well, isn't that what 2026 is? Based off of the Christian calendar, Lorde.

[Justin]

Can mean many different things for me. She's a pop singer.

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah. L o r d e. Yeah, yeah.

[Justin]

L o r D E Lord. The year of our Lord.

[Nick]

Anyway, hope you're all doing well. We have a great year lined up for you. Honestly, it's really excited to bring you all the great content we're going to deliver in 2026, starting with this episode. We have a great week lined up for you. We got. Hey, good. Coming up this episode. He is a very talented musician, also hilarious, and huge Bravo fan, specifically of our ladies in the mountains. Our Salt Lake City ladies. He's also a fan of Potomac, and he'll be with us to break down the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. It's the new year, so I don't know how you guys spent your holidays. It is tough to, like, start being productive again.

[Mary]

Yeah, I'm excited. But Virgo.

[Natalie]

Yeah, no, I am also excited.

[Mary]

I was like, okay, let's go.

[Natalie]

I've been laying down a lot.

[Nick]

Yeah. Yeah, It's. It's really tough doing nothing for a long period of time.

[Natalie]

I was like, I need to put on Makeup.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mary]

I enjoyed it while it lasted, but now I'm like, all right, 20, 26. Let's. Let's get this going.

[Nick]

It's like another day of just sitting here. Yeah.

[Justin]

Literally.

[Natalie]

A little rot, a little.

[Mary]

Little couch rot, a little bedrock.

[Justin]

Oh, my God. The amount. You know when you come out of the break and you're just like, I am chopped. I am cooked. I have eaten so many cookies. I have drank so much alcohol, and I need to just like, the resolutions.

[Mary]

Come in, walk in.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Mary]

No drink in January. Maybe I'll work out more.

[Justin]

I'm doing damp January.

[Nick]

I didn't drink much alcohol, but I did dabble in other things.

[Justin]

Substances.

[Mary]

You had a green Christmas and an even greener New Year's. Gardening, the Grinch.

[Nick]

What did you guys do on New Year's Eve? Do you guys celebrate?

[Mary]

Oh, my God, yes. I had an amazing New Year's.

[Natalie]

Ooh.

[Mary]

It was my first, like, quiet New Year's. Connor and I went to the Beverly Hills Hotel. They just kept giving us credits for our room, which was so nice. And then we had like a beautiful sit down dinner. And then after dinner, we did a photo booth, went to our room before midnight, rang in the new year, and then we took a two hour bubble bath just talking and listening to music. And it was just like, really nice.

[Nick]

You and Connor, Just a two hour bubble?

[Mary]

Like, yeah, he didn't.

[Nick]

He.

[Mary]

He didn't plan on it, but like, I was like, that's. Bubble baths are kind of my thing. I'm a Meredith Marks in that kind of sense. And he wants to spend time together. I was like, this is what would make my perfect New Year's.

[Nick]

Aw, that's real love.

[Mary]

He does love me a lot.

[Natalie]

How crony were you after two hours?

[Mary]

You know, that wasn't really like a case check in. Also, like, we'd been drinking throughout the night. He thought we were only in the bathtub for like 45 minutes. I was like, that was a two hour bath.

[Natalie]

Two hours.

[Leia]

Two hours.

[Nick]

When was the last time Connor's taking a bath by himself?

[Natalie]

Never.

[Nick]

Never.

[Justin]

What music were you listening to?

[Mary]

Oh, my God. It was an eclectic mix. Let me tell you. What, I don't have enough time.

[Natalie]

Did y' all kiss at midnight?

[Mary]

Yes, we did.

[Nick]

No, I'm, I. I'm honestly just blown away by this. It's two hour bath, Natalie. Every once in a while will be like, can you join me in my bath? And I'm always like, oh, my God. Yeah, for sure. Cause I love you so much. And then five minutes later, I'm out of there. I'm anxious. It's just hot. And it's not the same as a hot tub.

[Mary]

It kind of is, though. Like, listen, time lies when you're a little. A little intoxicated. You've got some good tunes going. And then it's like there's topic after topic after topic to talk about. It was like time just flew.

[Leia]

I have a question. Are you facing each other in the bathtub?

[Mary]

A mixture of both.

[Leia]

Okay.

[Nick]

You move around, you change positions.

[Mary]

We face each other sometimes. I was laying on him, just like, talking.

[Leia]

As Mulan said, Reflections.

[Mary]

Yeah. I'm like, really excited. That's the person I'm starting the new year with.

[Nick]

You got to keep her.

[Mary]

0 I do. Thank you.

[Nick]

I don't think I. I don't. Babe, I love you so much. I don't think I could take a two hour bath.

[Natalie]

Do you want to tell them what we did do on New Year's Eve?

[Mary]

I would love to know what you guys did on New Year's Eve.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Justin]

What'd you guys do on New Year's Eve?

[Nick]

We chilled, made some dinner. I don't know. We didn't watch any New Year's Eve programming.

[Mary]

Did you guys celebrate, like.

[Nick]

What do you mean? Celebrate?

[Mary]

Like a. Like a.

[Nick]

We watched Homeland. We watched Homeland. For those of you who don't know.

[Justin]

It'S a little Claire Danes moment.

[Nick]

Claire Danes, ye show on Showtime came out in 2011. It's on Netflix now.

[Natalie]

Yeah, it's a Showtime.

[Nick]

Well, it's a r. It's a Showtime show. It originated on Showtime in 2011.

[Natalie]

You can watch it on Netflix.

[Nick]

You can watch it on Netflix now. Anyways, I got Natalie into it, so we've been binging that. So we watched that. Natalie fell asleep. I don't know. I don't know. We both fell asleep at like 10. But then I magically woke up at like 1158. And then it was midnight and I woke up. Natalie and I said, happy New Year. And we did. You little pet. You don't remember? No.

[Natalie]

You did.

[Nick]

Yeah. Oh, Happy New Year. You rolled over, gave me a little peck, and we went to.

[Mary]

Went to sleep. That's cute.

[Natalie]

Last year we did, like, watch the. We were in LA and we watched the, like, New York ball drop. You know, it's like 9pm Then we, you know, went to bed. But we didn't even watch that. I did hear that Times Square was like, very empty this year.

[Leia]

I heard that it wasn't empty, but there Were so many volunteers throwing confetti that you couldn't see the ball if you were in a Times Square.

[Natalie]

I heard that nobody was having to wear diapers because they were just like, they.

[Nick]

What do you mean, diapers?

[Natalie]

Usually people wear diapers because they're standing there all day long.

[Nick]

That's a thing?

[Mary]

No, first of all, there's a. It's a. It's a different type of human being that. That signs up to do New Year's Eve in Times Square, but they start lining up, like a day or two beforehand. And I did watch a TikTok where it was. A guy was talking about how, bless his heart, the woman next to her him was wearing a diaper. He pulled out panty liners and was like, no, you just pee on these. So I was like, there are just people pissing on themselves in Times Square to see that ball drop. And apparently, what was it? The confetti people were throwing confetti.

[Leia]

Well, because people don't know this, but it's not machines that, like, shoot confetti out. It's volunteers that, like, are in the buildings surrounding. In their apartments, in their apartment, or just on top of the businesses. And they just throw so much that there's videos from Times Square where you can't even see the ball drop and it hits like New Year's.

[Mary]

So these are just random.

[Nick]

So you're in frozen pee diapers?

[Leia]

Yes.

[Nick]

In New York, it's usually cold and you can't see the ball.

[Leia]

Yes. And you can hear people in the background being like, oh, my God, you can't see it. Or like, come on. Because you hear everybody say, like, happy New Year's, but then all you see is just like a cloud of confetti above you.

[Natalie]

Do you feel like you do that once and then you never go back? Or do you feel like these are people who are, like, loyal year after year wearing the diapers, doing it?

[Mary]

I feel like it has to mean something to you.

[Leia]

It has to.

[Mary]

You know what I mean? Like, for me, I'm like, there's just no world in which I would ever want to see the ball drop that badly that I wouldn't figure out a way to be somewhere where I could see it. Not especially now that it's, like, televised.

[Natalie]

It's like I could just watch it at home.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mary]

But I'm like, if there was like a hotel or something where it's like, oh, you got a good view of it. You just got to pay extra, then I'm like, if I really wanted to See it that bad. That's how I would do it.

[Leia]

It's the bathroom part. Like, I would need a hotel that's in the square. I don't care what it's costing if I'm gonna go through it.

[Mary]

If you leave your, you can't get back.

[Leia]

Exactly.

[Natalie]

Like, how are you surviving?

[Mary]

I think you have, like, a survival backpack kit.

[Leia]

You have to pee in your pants, which I'm not willing to do.

[Mary]

How are you changing that diaper? How are you. Where are you changing that diaper? Just in the middle.

[Nick]

Sounds like an episode of Special Forces.

[Mary]

Honestly, the only the strongest will survive. And I'm out. Day one, hour one.

[Justin]

I just don't know if I want to ring in the new year. Like, about to piss my pants and feeling like I'm going to explode.

[Nick]

It really goes up from there, though.

[Justin]

I mean, it's true. Yeah.

[Nick]

It's like the year started with me peeing my pants, and then I got a promotion.

[Justin]

Only can go up from here.

[Nick]

Well, with the new year comes new goals. Does anyone have any New Year's resolutions?

[Natalie]

I'm always so bad at these.

[Mary]

That's why I'm like, I think I'm just too realistic that I'm like, okay, like, I would like to be healthier. I would like to. But I'm like, who knows how stressed I'll be in March.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Justin]

Well, guys, my. My resolution is I want to, like, follow through, which is the most evil resolution for me to set for myself. Because if you look at the stats, like, the only kept is like, 10 of New Year's resolutions are kept long term, which is crazy.

[Leia]

You just want to follow through. Like, that's what it is.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I didn't eat sugar all last year. I did have one of my mom's cookies over the holidays.

[Justin]

You're part of that 10.

[Nick]

Well, she also made this really delicious. Like, she's into sourdough making.

[Leia]

Oh, her and the more one Wives too.

[Nick]

And she made this like sourdough cinnamon bread that's basically like a giant cinnamon roll. But I classified it as bread so therefore I could eat it.

[Natalie]

There was. It was covered in frosting, by the way.

[Mary]

But sourdough got healthy.

[Justin]

Exactly. Yes, it is loophole.

[Nick]

Well, recently Deadline came out with a very compelling list of the most talked about look forward to reality TV shows of 2026. It's a comprehensive list. They have 31 shows that they think fans, like, love reality TV should be looking forward to. And it is a fascinating list. We have starting January 8th on Bravo the Valley, Persian style.

[Leia]

So excited.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I love Mercedes, mj. I met her at Crystal Minkoff's holiday party. We sat beside each other and she is so funny. So I just know bringing her back to TV is smart.

[Leia]

If it's anything like Shaws of Sunset.

[Mary]

Thank you.

[Leia]

I'll take it.

[Mary]

It's all my favorites from Shaws and.

[Justin]

I'm just like, a little less trauma dumping a little more. Let's fucking go.

[Mary]

Let's fucking go.

[Leia]

It is crazy because Traitors also airs that Day Traders is also on this list. Iconic Fear Factor, Johnny Knoxville.

[Justin]

Fear Factor.

[Natalie]

Fear Factor is one I feel like maybe I'm not as much in the loop on. I find, you know, I'm also in fear. I. I don't want to watch all the cockroaches that you are going inside of your ears and in your nose. Like, that is a hard show for me.

[Nick]

I think it's going to be really popular, though. But I agree, I've never was a huge Fear Factor fan.

[Natalie]

I did not know that Joe Rogan hosted it.

[Mary]

Yeah, yeah. For years.

[Nick]

For years. That's how he got it. Well, that's not how he got to start, but that was probably where he got.

[Mary]

That's how I learned who he was.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

That's crazy.

[Nick]

He was on Spin City back in the day.

[Mary]

So when it was when he was a podcaster, I was like, you mean the guy that hosted Fear Factor?

[Natalie]

Yeah. In the City is also on here. The spin off of Summer House. Lindsay Hubbard, Amanda Kyle Cook. This one I think is definitely gonna be good.

[Nick]

Love Overboard on Hulu, hosted by Gabby Wendy. Basically, it's like a dating show on a yacht in Greece.

[Natalie]

It's giving like below deck dating show.

[Nick]

Same producers who produce your favorite show, the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. So it's a very talented production company and I've heard, working with those people that they're very excited about the show. And from what I've heard, I think it's gonna be very popular and fun to watch.

[Mary]

No way.

[Leia]

Ladies of London is coming back.

[Nick]

Do we know when that's coming out?

[Natalie]

They don't.

[Leia]

I think they announced.

[Natalie]

Yeah, they don't have a date yet.

[Justin]

2026.

[Natalie]

But also real Housewives of Rhode island featuring friend of show, Ashley Iacometi.

[Nick]

When does that come out?

[Natalie]

Doesn't say.

[Leia]

It's a good year.

[Natalie]

On the edge of 2026. It comes out.

[Leia]

It's a good year for housewives because we have ultimate road trip girls trip coming back. Obsessed Ladies of London, which is like An OG Kind of style of housewives.

[Justin]

Goodyear and Netflix popping off too. We got a little. Is that Age of Attraction on that list? I see Age of Attraction most exciting.

[Nick]

New hit show, Age of Attraction, hosted by yours truly, Natalie Joy, and me. Listen, let me just read the Blur.

[Natalie]

I'll just read the Blur. I'm just gonna read the blurb. Love is Blind has clearly been Netflix biggest hit in the unscripted space over the years. It is now trying to replicate that dating success with Age of Attraction. While Love Blind aim to see if looks weren't a factor, Age of Attraction will ask a similar question about age. The series, which comes from Velvet Hammer Media and was filmed in Whistler in Vancouver, features daters ranging from 22 to 59.

[Nick]

You know, listen, we're biased. We were part of the show, but you never really know what to expect with these new shows. When we were asked to host it, you know, obviously we're very appreciative of Netflix and excited to be part of the Netflix family. But, like, as you guys know, like, you know, new shows, new reality TV shows, you know, what Love Is Blind was able to do. What are they on their 9th season? So hard to do. But I think Netflix in general is really excited about this potential. And honestly, like, knowing the interest around Love is Blind, I really think people are going to love Age of Attraction. I think a lot of people are going to be talking about it. It's a very compelling premise.

[Natalie]

I also think people are going to be pleasantly surprised with just how the show unfolds. I think a lot of people are, you know, upfront judgments, as people tend to do with an age gap, but I think they'll be pleasantly surprised.

[Nick]

Yeah, well, you know, we'll see. But I think the show might be around for a while, period.

[Leia]

I do have a question for you guys. Was Alex Earle and Tom Brady on the cast because they were out and about on New Year's Eve.

[Natalie]

I'm here for it, guys. She just got out of her relationship with Braxton. Like, you know, he's a big football star. And, like, can you imagine Braxton sitting.

[Mary]

At home being like, it's revenge.

[Natalie]

Like, talk about revenge.

[Mary]

And I don't even know if that's, like, her intention, but it is, like, kind of one of those things, like, where they're like, oh, I'm gonna break up with you, and then I'll date your favorite star. And it's like, okay, you're an aspire. You're. You're working up to be, like, a Top football player. And then it's just like, your ex is like, you know what? I'm just gonna spend New Year's Eve with Glen Powell and Miles Teller. And then, you know what? Why don't I canoodle with Tom Brady and you'll find out all about the.

[Nick]

Greatest football player of all time, literally. And Braxton, you listen very hard to make it to the NFL. You really have accomplished something by going that far. But Braxton, no shade, you know, he was. He was on the team.

[Justin]

I think he's certainly on the team.

[Nick]

Let's put it this way. I am a NFL super fan. I know so much about the NFL and its players. And the first time I've heard of Braxton was because of Alex Earl. And so, you know, to have Alex Earl make you famous as an NFL player and then pivot after you break up to the greatest football player of all time, that is crazy. She ain't messing around.

[Justin]

It's pretty.

[Nick]

Don't fuck with Alex Earl.

[Mary]

She's not crying in the club.

[Justin]

No, she's not.

[Natalie]

There is no crying at the club for Alex Earl.

[Justin]

She. It's the kind of, like I say, and I say that I mean evil as a compliment in this way. Like, it's the kind of evil behavior, like, I want to bring into 2026. It's like, yeah, be messy, but also, like, effortless.

[Mary]

Like, you know what I mean? Because you know that that wasn'. Intention.

[Justin]

No, she's just being herself, her natural charm. And like, if that brings you into a messy situation, so be it.

[Nick]

And in that video, she looked like she was comforting Tom.

[Leia]

I was gonna say, we also technically don't know that they are dating.

[Natalie]

They're definitely not dating.

[Mary]

I don't think that they're dating. They were getting cozy.

[Justin]

God forbid someone gets cozy on New Year's Eve.

[Leia]

They could be friends at this point, right? Not really.

[Mary]

Just one could infer on New Year's.

[Leia]

Eve, they're there for each other.

[Mary]

Yeah. Support.

[Justin]

Emotional support.

[Mary]

I feel like.

[Natalie]

Like, I'm just like, her proud.

[Mary]

I'm.

[Natalie]

I feel proud of Alix Earl.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I love her.

[Justin]

Do you guys feel proud of Kyle Mauricio for your. Once again proving that they are the Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez of Bravo.

[Mary]

I kind of love it.

[Nick]

I really do. Honestly. I was thinking about them over a holiday break. I really was.

[Justin]

You're falling asleep being like, I wonder if they're kissing.

[Nick]

Listen, let me explain.

[Justin]

Yes.

[Nick]

Like, there's so much I don't know about the relationship. It Would be nice if they shared a little bit more, but hey, you know, whatever. But like, listen, like, they present as a family, right? They have these lovely daughters, all accomplished. No matter what's going on in this family with the drama, whether it's show related or personal related, they're still together no matter what. There is a clear respect that Mauricio has for Kyle and vice versa, and I think that is a beautiful thing. You know, they've been married for years. I don't know what happened in the relationship or why the love or the romance maybe got put on pause or whatever reason, but, like, they are still prioritizing their family. And more than anything, when it comes to the holidays and each other, the fact that they have this huge amount of respect for each other seemingly. And they've decided that maybe for whatever reason, some of their aspects of the relationship don't work anymore. Yeah. Like the fact that they can still get together and celebrate their family without the drama. You know what I'm saying? I just think it's a beautiful thing for them to still be able to do that. And they still have their family, you know, and they didn't blow up their family because of things going on in their relationship that are sensitive and might be hard to process. And I just think it's a beautiful thing that they've been able to do that. And the fact that Kyle Mauricio clearly have this respect for each other, I think is admirable. And I think it's a great thing knowing how difficult relationships are. And I just. I have a lot of respect for how they've gone about the end of their marriage. And I think they should be applauded for that.

[Mary]

So for clarity, people saw the duo together at Kate Hudson and Kate Hudson's New Year's Eve party in Aspen. Someone is quoted saying they were really enjoying one another's company. They had their arms around one another and were very touchy and warm with one another all night. They were very obviously together and wanting to spend the party by one another's side. If you didn't know they had split up, you would presume they were still happily married.

[Natalie]

Well, I love that for that.

[Nick]

Yeah, I don't think they're gonna get back together anytime soon.

[Justin]

No.

[Mary]

Yeah, I think they're gonna, like, take their time. I also think that we've talked about this in the past, but I just think that people in long term relationships forget, like, how to date each other while being together. And so I think, like, you know, you're hurt, You've seen other people, you dated other people. And then it's like to like, still have that connection, that chemistry with the person that you were married to. Like, I'm like, now I feel like they're gon start dating each other again.

[Leia]

This is also kind of what Chase Stokes said about Kelsey Ballerini because they're also back together. And I don't know if you want to read that. What he said. In his post on New Year's, Chase.

[Mary]

Stokes posted something I've learned this year. Don't take advantage of the most beautiful things that in 33 years of life are fleeting. Take accountability. Learn from mistakes, Lean into love, and say it often. 2026, my year of growth. My year of truth. Starting here, starting now. Happy New Year's Red heart.

[Nick]

That sounds like Kelsey made him write that.

[Natalie]

No, Kelsey posted her own thing.

[Nick]

Oh, she also posted something because they.

[Mary]

Had a very messy breakup last year. Right. Was it missing 2025, as in, like.

[Leia]

The end of the year?

[Mary]

Yeah, there was like a story post and like, announcing the breakups. He posted something saying that she had blocked him. So it's like people were like, oh, they're definitely not getting back together. And then when they were speculated, it.

[Nick]

Was like, absolutely not getting back together with an ex. I usually find that you broke up for a reason.

[Justin]

Yep.

[Nick]

But sometimes, you know, things work out.

[Justin]

Yeah. Well, it's interesting because I just looked up some stats on it, and so only 32% of exes will get back together. And of those people that get back together, roughly 18% have stayed together for over a year after reconciling. So it's not the best stat, but it's not nothing.

[Natalie]

Kelsey posted before Chase did, and it was like a picture of her kissing and it was a very silhouette y photo. You could almost be like, who is that? But she posted messy year for the heart, messy year for the outside coming in. Messy year for the way it became an out of our hands portrayal of it. But what I'll say, and all I really care to share and definitely with my personal life anymore, is that I really love love. I believe in it. I believe in him, and I believe in breaking patterns. Now go kiss your person and stop speculating.

[Nick]

Obviously, we have the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City to talk about, and they are up next. And if you haven't listened to that episode of Brittany Bateman and Jared Osmond, our New Year's Eve extravaganza, Deeper, you're going to want to check that out. It's a It was a fascinating episode, but Fancy Hey Good is about to join us to break it all down.

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[Fancy Hey Good]

Thanks for having me.

[Nick]

I was so excited to be with you, man.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Likewise.

[Nick]

First, let's just start. It's New Year. How was your New Year's?

[Fancy Hey Good]

My New Year's was interesting. Say more interesting decisions. I went to Jersey City.

[Mary]

That's an interesting decision.

[Fancy Hey Good]

It is. And I had never been before.

[Nick]

And how. How did you wind up in a place you've never been before?

[Fancy Hey Good]

I have some friends who live in Jersey. Okay. And so they were like, we should years. So I was just like, I didn't have any other plans, so I was like, why not? And it was kind of cool. I got to go to, like. I didn't know this, but technically, the Statue of Liberty is basically in Jersey. It's a very New York thing. I think the. Like, down the river. It's like the. The. It goes around.

[Natalie]

So you can access Statue of Liberty via Jersey.

[Fancy Hey Good]

You're closer to the Statue of Liberty in Jersey City than you are in.

[Nick]

New York in New York.

[Leia]

Okay.

[Fancy Hey Good]

So I got to watch the fireworks from the Statue of Liberty, which was kind of cool. Like.

[Natalie]

Like you were at Statue of Liberty?

[Fancy Hey Good]

No, no, no.

[Nick]

I did.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Weird that I worded that. Weirdly, I realized I was at, like, Liberty Park, I think is what it's called, looking at the Statue of Liberty, watching fireworks. So that was pretty cool. But being in Jersey City was random for this Southern belle.

[Natalie]

I mean, do you feel like you'll do that again next year or ever again?

[Fancy Hey Good]

I don't know that it'll be an annual thing, but with me, you never know. I might get a wild hair to go to Jersey, and who knows?

[Natalie]

Did you hit up a casino?

[Fancy Hey Good]

No, I'm not a gambling gal.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Fancy Hey Good]

First of all, I did this, like, fundraiser thing in Fort Lauderdale one time. And they put me up at the Hard Rock, which I found out I am rock hard for the Hard Rock.

[Natalie]

I didn't know that big old guitar.

[Nick]

Yes, I've seen it. Yes.

[Fancy Hey Good]

My manager, Natalie was with me, and we like, pull up and I was like, what is this? And then next thing I know, I'm having the time of my life, but I am not. I am not a gambler. I had a wild run on roulette, but I only. I only guess colors.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I don't do the number thing. I'm a color girl. I feel like the odds are in your favor there. I had a. I had like a wild run and then I lost everything.

[Natalie]

And there's also not a lot of gambling games that are in color.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Right?

[Natalie]

A lot of them aren't.

[Nick]

A lot of them.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Leia]

Isn't it?

[Fancy Hey Good]

Are y' all casino people?

[Leia]

No, no.

[Natalie]

Nick's pretty good at blackjack, right?

[Nick]

I mean, when I go to Vegas, when I have to, I don't make. I'm definitely not one of those, like, gotta make a trip to Vegas.

[Mary]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

Sometimes I end up in Vegas. And when I end up in Vegas, I'll play blackjack. And sometimes I win money. I'm definitely not. I know how to play. I'm not.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I went to Vegas one time, but I was with my parents, so it wasn't. I don't think I got a Vegas experience.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I'm like thinking like, the real world, Las Vegas. Like, that's what in my head I was thinking. But then I was with my mom and dad. Yeah. It's just kind of. I was like, this is not. I need to do. I need a Vegas redo, but I don't know that I want to do it.

[Natalie]

No, there's. Honestly, Vegas isn't like. I feel like what maybe it used to be. I feel like people used to rave about Vegas. It's not. The recent times I've been. Has been like, it's time to get home.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Well, why do I want to go to Vegas when I can go to a giant guitar shaped hotel in Fort Lauderdale?

[Natalie]

So true.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Which also I found this other place called Wilton Manors, which isn't that far from Fort Lauderdale. And it's basically like a gay retirement community. And it's just like this little town and it's just filled with gay bars and all these retired old gay men. And I'm like, now this is my place.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mary]

There he said, just popped up.

[Natalie]

This is my Vegas.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah. I went to dinner with this, like, group of men and we're like, sitting there, and one of the guys name was Gino. He was like 87 years old, trying an edible for the first time. I'm like, this is everything.

[Mary]

Heaven.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I love Fort Lauderdale. I love Wilton Manors. That's not how I felt in Jersey City. It's. But a little different, you know?

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Can't win them all.

[Nick]

Well, when you're not making beautiful music and collaborating with other rock stars like Meghan Trainor, you're also a big rally TV fan.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Oh, my God. It's my. I would say it's my guilty pleasure, but I don't feel guilty about it at all.

[Nick]

At all.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I have loved reality TV since, like, I don't know, I found, like, the real world, VH1 flavor of love, all that stuff. I've been watching reality TV before I was, like, allowed to watch reality.

[Natalie]

Did you watch Bad Girls Club?

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yes. And my favorite season of Bad Girls Club was the New Orleans one. It was wild.

[Natalie]

You ain't getting asleep because of me.

[Fancy Hey Good]

She was also just on the House of Villains.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah, I. I liked Bad Girls Club, but the New Orleans one was the one that I was fully invested in.

[Natalie]

Are you mostly invested in Salt Lake City Housewives or do you jump around to all of them?

[Fancy Hey Good]

I. I'm an equal opportunist when it comes to Real Housewives. I watch all of them, even if I don't. Don't like it necessarily. Like, I didn't love Dallas. I watched every episode, of course. It's just like, I love is such good television. I think it's brilliant. I will say, I think Salt Lake City is the crown jewel of the Bravo universe. And I have said that since its first season. I'm not one of these. Yeah, I'm not one of these bandwagon watching, like, season four being like, wow, this is great. No, I was there since Hospital Smell, and I love it. And I will not hear any negative things about Salt Lake City. I don't receive it. Like, people on. I, like, catch myself, like, arguing with people online when they're, like, hating on the Salt Lake City Housewives. I'm like, grow up. Get over yourself.

[Nick]

How do you. How do you feel the. The Mormon Wives of Utah compared to the Housewives of Salt Lake City?

[Fancy Hey Good]

I'm like, this is. I feel like it's like this whole universe, like, the Salt Lake City universe, like, like. And it's no coincidence. I saw the Book of Mormon the play for the first time, and it's all about, you know, Salt Lake and whatnot and now we have all these amazing reality shows out of Salt Lake City. They give. I'm like, what? There. There's no one. That's what I love about both the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. There's no, like, there's no one not playing. Do you know what I mean?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

They are all showing up. They know the assignment. They're. They're doing it. And I. That's what I love about it. That's what makes it such brilliant television. There's no sleeper characters.

[Natalie]

Nick said one time he was like, I don't know if it's because of the religion, that maybe they feel like they can't lie. So they're just like, you smell like a hospital.

[Fancy Hey Good]

That's a solid point. I think Mary Cosby has no guilty conscience, so I think if she feels it, she's just gonna say it. And a hospital smell can be triggering. Let's be real.

[Natalie]

That's. And it's so true. And it is so distinctive as well.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah. That I didn't know, like, when they started, like, being like, oh, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, like, when they were, like, teasing it on Bravo, I was kind of like, that is not going to be good. I was like, why are they doing that? There's so many other cities. And then I watched it, and I had, like, kind of waited. So I got to binge, like, the first four episodes of season one, and I was hooked. I was like, this is incredible. And I think it's a kind of a rare thing in the Bravo universe for one show to give like, that every season. There's not been a boring season.

[Natalie]

There hasn't. And there's really not a boring character. And I think they all go in, like, little seasons and episodes, but, like, for the majority, on other ones, I'm always like, when it gets to some certain housewives, I'm like, yeah, phone time.

[Fancy Hey Good]

They'Re giving no matter what. And it's just kind of like you said, some. Some people have better seasons than others. But I learned about, you know, wwe.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

So when I lived in la, I had a friend that was a WWE diva shout out, Summer Ray. But I had never been to a wrestling match before, and I went and ate. I figured out, that is so homoerotic. It's so hot. Secondly, when my friend came out, I didn't realize that she played a villain. So she, like, comes walking out and the whole arena starts booing and, like, like, going nuts. And I'm like, hey, she's the nicest woman I've ever met.

[Natalie]

Like, Summer's like, no, I'm not.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

I'm like, what are y'? All?

[Fancy Hey Good]

I'm, like, getting in arguments with people around me. I'm, like, so disappointed in these people. But then afterwards, I was, like, talking to her about it, and she's like, no, I'm a heel. Like, that's. If they're all booing and freaking out like that, that means I'm doing my job. So I think it's the same with reality tv. That's how I kind of view it. People start hating on people, and I'm like, they're doing a really. They're doing their job.

[Nick]

It's fascinating, though, because I, you know, I think with wwe, to your point, that community of stars, they kind of understand the assignment. Exactly. Like, the term heel has been around in that community for a long time. And to your point, like Summer Rae, who knew she was a heel. But with reality tv, in my experience and the people we cover, no one wants to be the villain. And very few people on reality TV embrace that role. I think sometimes they'll take it on the chin. But unlike wwe, where they, like, embrace it and they like it and they lean in, I think very few reality TV stars do that, because I also think part of it is, like, now that WWE is at where it's at, like, you know, it's quote unquote fake.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Well, they're all playing a role.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Where these people on reality TV are being themselves for the most part.

[Nick]

Ish.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

But. But I do think, you know, when you're making. Now, granted, I've never been on a reality TV show. I don't know how, but I never have been. And I think you have to know, I know for myself, if there was a whole crew of people, I have a personality that could be edited several different ways. I have to know going into this, they could make me, you know, the bff. They could make me the giant asshole.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

And then at the end of it, you know, when you get made the asshole, you're like, it was editing. It's because they are filming all parts of you. And, like, people do have control over that. But I do think you have to know, going into being filmed 247 for a TV show, there is a risk you're going to be a villain.

[Nick]

Yeah. But as a saying I heard a long time ago, well, not too long ago on a TV show was like, no one's a villain in their own story, which is very fascinating in life.

[Fancy Hey Good]

That is fascinating.

[Nick]

And then when you think about it in the reality TV world, like, yeah, when you find out, usually you find out via the edit. You know, it's not like, usually the producers are like, hey, just by the way, you're the bad guy this season.

[Fancy Hey Good]

See, I think if a producer were to tell me, like, hey, we're doing it to you, like, it's happening this season.

[Natalie]

It's your turn.

[Fancy Hey Good]

It's your turn. I would be like, well, here we go. And I would just lean in on.

[Nick]

My second iteration of the Bachelorette. When I was on a long time ago, I had a friend who tried to convince me to go full Joaquin Phoenix at afr, like, show up kind of drunk, like full grown beard, maybe like food in the beard, and just go full villain.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I thought about it, but you said.

[Nick]

No, no, I chickened out.

[Fancy Hey Good]

People are gonna make you the villain no matter what. And they did some point. So it's like you might as well lean in and control the narrative because if you're. If you're in on the joke or in on the bit, it's kind of like people calling you names or being bullies online or whatever. If you're in on it, it's kind.

[Natalie]

Of like, I know.

[Nick]

Yeah. The best thing to do, I think, is, I've learned, is just whatever people want to think, just let it. Just embrace it, you know?

[Fancy Hey Good]

And to your point also about you're never the villain in your own story. That's what I love about the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives is because I feel like that the villain jumps from time to time there, and you kind of never know where you're gonna land there. That from, like season one to season two, whole different ball game of who's. And you hosted that reunion first.

[Nick]

Reunion, yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

What was that like? Like, sorry. And now I'm the host.

[Nick]

What was that like? It was fascinating. I mean, like, I've, you know, I've gotten to know those women over the years of having them on the show, and I have a ton of respect for all of them because I know what it takes to make a show like that. And they really do, to their credit. You know, I think some reality TV stars, you know, are better at, like, setting boundaries for themselves. I'll do this. I won't do that. And I think all those women have, you know, for better or worse, you can debate, you know, whether their. Their mental health is where it should be or needs to be, but. But for our viewing pleasure, they give it their all yeah, they do. These women have never stopped filming. They already finished rep. They've filmed season four already. I think now that Taylor Frankie Paul's done filming the Bachelorette, I think they're back into filming season five.

[Justin]

Wow.

[Nick]

The dedication that they're doing is unheard of.

[Natalie]

They're two seasons a year, as they should.

[Fancy Hey Good]

And I don't know that that's enough for me. I'm like, I've never been more addicted to strangers drama before than I am that show, like the, the crossover idea for Taylor Frankie Paul to be the Bachelorette, that made me salivate when I heard that.

[Natalie]

Just kiss.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah. It's like, I will be watching that.

[Nick]

But it's, you know, even that group of women, I told the story. But like when I've hosted that reunion, Taylor Frankie Paul is the only reality TV star I've interacted with that kind of understood that. And before we started, she's like, push us, ask us anything. There's no question, off limits. I mean, she spoke, I guess, for the group and it came from her, but I really respected that. Not everyone in that cast feels that same way.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I mean, that's the energy I would expect from her. When you're getting on TikTok to be like, hey, me and all my friends were swingers. P.S. and by the way, I'm like, who is this woman? And shout out to whoever decided to make that a TV show after all that drama. Because brilliant, brilliant, brilliant.

[Natalie]

If you had to choose Gin shot or Monica to come back, who are you picking?

[Fancy Hey Good]

Oh, God, it can't be Jin Shaw.

[Natalie]

It can't be.

[Fancy Hey Good]

It can't be Jen Shaw. But I don't want it to be Monica either. And I think people are split on that. I think people online wanna. I think there's a lot of monitors.

[Nick]

Why don't you think it could be Monica?

[Fancy Hey Good]

Because I personally don't want it to be.

[Nick]

You're not a fan?

[Fancy Hey Good]

I wanted to be a fan. I wanted to root for her. I liked the, the realness of someone who's like, like, I'm a single mom. I don't get along with my mom. I don't make the same amount of money as these women. I don't quite fit in.

[Natalie]

I had an affair with my brother in law.

[Nick]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Oh, was Monica the original Taylor Frankie Paul? Are you turning me into a Monica fan right now? I don't dislike Monica. I liked Monica. But the whole reality, the whole that I'm like, you can't be a, like a super fan and then be A housewife. Like, it's tough. That would like, be like them turning me into a housewife. Like, yeah, that's not. I mean, but unless Andy Cohen wants a male real housewife, I am all. And put me on that reunion couch, honey.

[Nick]

Yes.

[Mary]

I'm like, wasn't Meredith also accused of making fake accounts to send information about her co stars and so is Lisa that I'm kind of like, if creating a fake account is the worst thing that you can do as a housewife. Like, I just. I just don't think that the crime fits not being able to come back.

[Nick]

No, I know. But it's something.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I agree.

[Nick]

Something about the optics to Fancy's point. And I remember when the whole Monica Garcia of it all dropped, I was triggered. Like, I was definitely not Team Monica because I was like, I couldn't imagine having, you know, like, the. To say fan seems dirty. It's just like, oh, they're. But like, some fans don't understand boundaries.

[Natalie]

But let's not forget she was in Jinshaw's circle. She wasn't just like, that's the other.

[Nick]

Part of it online.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I think that's the way worst part of it for me is like, she seemed like feel like this is like she worked for Jen Shaw. Like, that's who she was close to. And then Jinshaw got put in prison. So they're like, oh, let's pull this girl. It all seemed very kind of random to me. I also don't know that I believe that production did not know that she was reality Von Tees because the master piece that was those final episodes that season where they're all on the beach and like the flowy dresses and Heather's like, receipts, receipts, timeline, screenshots, everything. I'm like, it was so good.

[Natalie]

And we had Monica at reunion be like, no, Andy, like, producers knew. Like, she was like to his face, like, yeah, your producers knew. He's like. But they didn't.

[Nick]

She's been known to not tell the truth.

[Fancy Hey Good]

That's true.

[Leia]

So it's.

[Natalie]

Speaking of Monica, she recently posted after this episode, which we will get into our reality recap after this. But she posted a TikTok defending Meredith and says when everyone wants to accuse Meredith of being an alcoholic, but she wasn't the one that was taken away in an ambulance to the ER for alcohol poisoning and demanded the footage never be shown and cast stay locked in their rooms while she got wheeled away to get her stomach pumped. Allegedly. Meredith liked that post, by the way. So I love it. Meredith liked it.

[Nick]

Meredith Liked it.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Because I do know that those women still to this day are triggered by Monica Garcia.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Of course that. Who wouldn't be? Would you not be triggered, like, filming, like, an entire season with someone just to find out they've been, like, bullying you online for years.

[Mary]

But Jen Shaw was, like, the biggest bully to everyone's face. That's why I'm like, when Angie said at Bravo Con that she would have Jen back, it was very confusing. It was like she dumped a glass of champagne over your head because you took the biggest room.

[Leia]

Also, ngh's husband had a finsta account to bully Lisa Barlow.

[Mary]

I'll do this.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Well, but that's right. Jen Shaw went to prison. And that's true. Angie wasn't brought back after that. So I feel like there are repercussions for people's actions. And I think Monica being off the show.

[Leia]

What?

[Fancy Hey Good]

Who would want to film with her after that?

[Natalie]

Do you think neither should come back? You're happy with.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I think neither. I think this cast is perfect.

[Natalie]

I agree.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Why fix something that's not broken? I mean, even Bronwyn. Her addition, I think, has been Chef's Kiss.

[Nick]

Yeah. She's talent.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Britney. Oh, my God. Yeah. Brittany is the perfect kind of housewife for me. I have to be honest. It's the same as, like, Potomac. Are you all watching Potomac? So it's like, Stacey Rush.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Fancy Hey Good]

And Karen the grandom. My favorite kind of housewife is someone who is like, I'm unbothered. I'm unfazed. I live my reality, and you are in my world now, and, like, you're not gonna get me. Like, Britney is just. I just love her. I think she would probably drive me crazy, like, if I had to go on a friendship with her. I don't want you to splash me when I'm trying to Zen, either.

[Natalie]

I don't want to be splashed in general.

[Nick]

She's just trying to lighten the mood.

[Fancy Hey Good]

No, the mood's light. We're in it. We're in a Zen space. But to her point, you know, they did pour a jug of water on her on a boat, so it's like, I get it, but I. I just think they're perfect. I think it's all this, like, great mix of, like, everyone living in their own delusion, living their own life. They are the stars of that show in their mind, all of them. And I think it makes it perfect. Television don't change a thing.

[Natalie]

I agree.

[Nick]

Well, if you haven't been watching the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City over your holiday break and you feel a little behind. We do have a rapid recap to.

[Natalie]

Bring you up to speed of the most recent episode. Angie once again was injured again on vacation. Glass tray to the face. Meredith has had a good night's sleep and is feeling less evil. Whitney is still trying to say Meredith is an addict. Mary just wants her to be okay. Bronwyn reveals that she ran into Seth in New York work with a woman at the spa where people are only allowed to whisper. Britney starts splashing the girl's hair with water. They do not like that. Lisa reminds Brittany that Angie gave herself a fresh blowout that morning with an injured hand. And it takes an hour to do with real hair, not synthetic hair like Britney. So it is very offensive. And now Angie's people's. And now Angie has people's piss in her hair. Britney is mad that no one cares if Olivia texted her for Mother's Day. Then she activates Meredith and ruins her Zen by being herself. Sad face. Whitney's steamer started squirting, but Heather was kind of into it. Heather also thinks there's something going on with Meredith. In other news, Lisa Barlow reveals an incredible tidbit about herself. She loves to read about trees and have her bare feet on the ground around them. She's actually obsessed with trees. She talks to them. They tap her on the shoulder and give her hugs. Every single treat in the world communicates. There's a hidden language. They have personalities. Anyway, Lisa also thinks Brittany was drinking in her bedroom on the yacht and that she is a little lush alky. But no one is accusing anyone of being an alcoholic because that's a serious allegation. Heather gets in trouble for saying Brittany is more successful than anyone at the table. Mary goes nuclear by calling Heather Britney's mouthpiece. Whitney and Lisa start going at it. Then they get kicked out of the restaurant.

[Nick]

Nellie, I think this is a really good time to just confess to you just in case it gets out in front of Nancy. I did have lunch with Mary a couple weeks ago, so I just don't want any rumors to get out. It was a. A one on one work meeting.

[Natalie]

Oh, you're saying Seth having a meeting with an investor in New York?

[Justin]

I'm so sorry. I thought he was talking about Mary.

[Mary]

Cosby the way that I was. Like, you went to lunch with Mary Cosby and.

[Nick]

Wait a second. No. Mary.

[Fancy Hey Good]

That's what I thought too.

[Nick]

Oh, I wish.

[Natalie]

God, everyone just excited. And now Mary.

[Mary]

Mary, no, you're talking to the wrong person about don't be mad. I was like, I'm furious. I'm fuming.

[Nick]

Me.

[Natalie]

Yeah, Me.

[Mary]

I'm like, okay, Yes. I love that for you.

[Justin]

Hey, Natalie. Jealous?

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Justin]

He almost got hit by a car.

[Natalie]

After, I will say, the dinner or the lunch with Mary and Bronwyn and Whitney. That is a tough. They're just like, she has severe problems. Nick was like, this is the definition of projecting 100.

[Nick]

Like, she's like, well, I have a son who has problems. She's like, I had a dad who has problems. We know what's going on with Meredith.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah, well. And also, I just saw on Instagram before I came here, and it made me laugh. It was like, the girls, Meredith suffering. And then it shows a picture of Meredith just, like, djing, like, living her best life. Like, I got to meet Meredith. She's the only one of the cast that I've ever met. I met her at the Glad Awards, like, two years back, and she was so perfectly kind and nice to me. She had no reason to be. She didn't know me. She, like. And I was fangirling to the highest degree. She was so kind and nice that I don't buy all this stuff about her. She told us, season one, I'm disengaging. So I want anyone surprised that she just, like. Like, flatlines when people start getting confrontational until she doesn't, and then she, like, freaks out. And then people are like, oh, my God.

[Natalie]

Well, I mean, I do feel like this is textbook Meredith. Like, she's always been like this.

[Nick]

And also, like, I don't know what's going on in Meredith's life, but since they wrapped filming this past season, we. Natalie and I, we. We saw Meredith at one of her DJ sets where we got to do a shot, ski with her. You met her entire family. You also saw him at Bravocon. I don't know. This family seems pretty together, pretty united. Yeah, Meredith was lovely. She was DJing. She seemed not drunk or, you know, problematic. She seemed totally. I've never engaged with her where I felt like, oh, my God, what's wrong with Meredith? So.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Well, also, I think it's like. So you said projection, like, three women also talking about, you know, Seth seeing. Being at a lunch with other women. It's like. Like, we. We ain't see Mary filming with her granddaddy no more. Bronwyn. You know, obviously, all that's come out. Whitney's talked about how hard it's been in her marriage. It's like, girlies, like, this is not the time to talk about someone else's marriage.

[Nick]

The marks present as a very close family out. Out in the wild. So it's. It is fascinating to your point that of all these relationships that have been open about their. Their problems, the marks don't actually seem to. To have them.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Well, also in the year of our Lord 2026, now it's like. And it was 2024 when they filmed that probably. Right?

[Nick]

25.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah. Whichever. It's like you have Whitney and Bronwyn filming scenes, talking about how they're freaky. Freaky.

[Natalie]

Right.

[Fancy Hey Good]

It's like you don't know what other people have agreements on or what's allowed in other people's relationships or not. It's like, get out of here.

[Natalie]

Do you think he's, like, really out with a woman that he's sleeping with in public and then stopping to say hi to Todd and, like, figure.

[Fancy Hey Good]

And also, Bronwyn, you're leaving Todd because he is a.

[Natalie]

He's looking at lingerie women on the airport.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Exactly. Todd is a trifling hoe. Of course he's coming to you being like, well, guess what else is happening?

[Natalie]

You know what I mean?

[Justin]

Yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Todd thumbs down. Todd's the only real housewife of Salt Lake City. I don't like.

[Natalie]

You don't like?

[Fancy Hey Good]

No, not into that.

[Natalie]

I have to say, what I've seen on the show. Agree. Everyone we've met that has, like, been around Todd, they're like, he's amazing. They're lovely. He's lovely. Them together is beautiful. He's so funny. He is charming. I mean, it's like stark difference from what we see on camera.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I've never seen anything other than what I've seen on camera. I can't judge this.

[Natalie]

So I will be going by what I am seeing on camera. And thank you very much.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

The scene of them whispering, the whisper fight, the funniest scene I think in reality, I just like.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Well, for me, it's Inception because some of my favorite, like, Instagram content is that guy who voiceovers housewife fights and making them whisper. It's like that famous Beverly Hills one where she's like, you beast. And it's just ASMR to like, my favorite show ever. It's, like, brilliant.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

And then Salt Lake City just brings it to life on screen, handed him his content. These women are perfect.

[Natalie]

And the. The splashing, like, valid on their end. Not a place to splash if you can't even talk. It's not a place to splash.

[Nick]

Gives a.

[Natalie]

It's A Zen. It's a Zen. No talking allowed. And you're gonna like. He.

[Mary]

He.

[Nick]

Can you just ask nicely? Just like, hey, not the time.

[Fancy Hey Good]

No. It's like the annoying little sister, though, who has been poking you for, like, six days, and you're like, stop it. Stop it. You need to stop. And then all of a sudden, you're, like, so mad. Had it. Just like, you blow up. Yeah. And I also thought Lisa Barlow ate her up when she was like, at least y' all get to see your kids. And Lisa was like, you said that it's your choices.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I thought she ate the house down with that one.

[Natalie]

Yeah. The synthetic hair was a little.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I'm tired of them bullying her about her hair.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

So we need to move on from she. From her. I did love that high body count hair.

[Natalie]

Trademark.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Oh, so good. She trained. I loved that.

[Natalie]

She's like, I. It was against me. I took it.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I think that's the level of petty I really love. But I wish she would have done it because it was petty. I think.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

The way Heather triggered the rest of the women by saying Britney was more accomplished. First of all, she has a point. I get what she was saying.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I don't know.

[Natalie]

I don't think she needed to put all the other women down in order to defend Britney.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I agree. And also, I don't think because you were on a Lifetime Christmas movie with Tori Spelling that makes you the most, like, the most successful.

[Nick]

I don't think it was just more that. But, like, again, to your.

[Mary]

They.

[Nick]

They're constantly picking on Brittany. They're.

[Natalie]

What did Meredith say? She's like, I've gotten several beauty awards.

[Nick]

But they just act like Britney is dumb and stupid and, like, serves. No, you know, she just. She has not. Nothing going for her. And, like, they're not saying she. I don't know, is gonna, like, run for president. They're just saying she's done some stuff. And depending on who you ask, she's done some incredible things that some of the other women maybe have not done.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I agree. But to Natalie's point, I don't think you have to diminish other people to lift another up.

[Nick]

Yeah, well, not in the real world.

[Fancy Hey Good]

But in reality tv. Yeah, I. You know, Yeah, I get that point, too. But the. I do love that it triggered everyone. I think Britney just triggers all of them.

[Nick]

I don't get why, though.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Because she films them.

[Mary]

Have you ever been kicked out of a restaurant before?

[Fancy Hey Good]

Well, yes. Yes, I have. In London.

[Natalie]

About it.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I was hammered. I was With a group of friends. And we went to this place called the Duke, which serves martinis.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

And you're only allowed to have, like two because they get you, so. And I'm a lightweight anyways. And I had three because my friend didn't drink his second one, so I drank it.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

And by the time we got to this restaurant, we were all just like, smash, having the time of our life. But we were definitely like Americans in a foreign city kind of vibe. And these. This other table just kind of started, like, taunting us, like saying weird political things. And I was really proud of my friend group. We really turned the Bravo dial up and all met these people where they were wanting to meet us. And the next. I know we're all being escorted out. Yes, that is a thing that did happen. It's the one and only time. But it was kind of like a real housewife.

[Natalie]

You didn't have anyone in your group being able to say, but this is my country.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Unfortunately, no, we didn't.

[Natalie]

He's like, no, but, ma', am, the restaurant is closed.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Fancy Hey Good]

So do you think it was closed or do you think they just wanted them out?

[Natalie]

It looked very empty when they all arrived and they were, like, showing the restaurant. I was like, there's nobody there.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Because my opinion about the spa and the restaurant is they have to have some sort of clearance to film there. These people have to know what's about to happen.

[Natalie]

I mean, like, everyone in frame has to sign a. Whatever consent.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah. So the whole, like, them getting kicked out and stuff like that, I'm like, they must just be there so late. I didn't really think it was because they were, like, missing being too loud.

[Natalie]

Yeah, I didn't either.

[Nick]

Well, before we let you go, you know, your music career is crushing.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Thank you.

[Nick]

Any new exciting things that we can look forward to coming out?

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah. So I just spent, like the last year touring. I did my first headline USA tour and then then just wrapped up the year over in the uk touring with an amazing artist called cmat, doing some pretty big shows. So now that I'm back home and the year started, we're about to gear up for album three.

[Nick]

And you were discovered by Scooter Braun.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Oh.

[Nick]

Do you like that?

[Fancy Hey Good]

I don't say that name. Kudor Yan is what I call him. And don't cut that.

[Natalie]

Put that out there and clip it.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah, no, yeah. I've had a very interesting career. I was signed as a writer when I was, like, 22. But, you know, my dream has always been to be a country artist. But when I came out of the closet, it was kind of scandalous to think of a country music artist being gay. And so I actually ended up getting a deal with Scooter and moved to la, had a whole pop career, and now I'm back. I say this at all my shows. I don't mean to brag, but I've been dropped from every professional contract I've entered into. Okay, so now I'm back in. Thank you. So now I'm back in Nashville, and I've been back since, like, 2016, doing things independently and doing things my way, and it feels really empowering and awesome, and I just keep kind of staying on the grind.

[Nick]

Do you feel like the country music space has become more accepting and open to the LGBTQIA + community?

[Fancy Hey Good]

The answer is yes and no. And I'm candid about this all the time. I think Music Row has a lot of catching up to do. I mean, the fact that I think there's one openly gay male sign to a major label is. Is interesting when you have so many amazing queer artists in town. I've put out two albums and the last, like, four years, I can think of one a R person who's called to talk to me about what I do musically and how they could potentially help. So I think. I think the answer is yes and no. I think music grows really behind. I think labels are super behind. I think we have the proof in the pudding. An artist like TJ Osborne coming out and being. Being as successful as he's been and continuing to do great things. And I think. I think it doesn't matter. And I think that's the proof. And I'm continuing to be able to do things on my own in my own way. And I'm amazed at the amount of people in Nashville who come to support me and help me. And I think that's a really beautiful thing. But yeah, I kind of. I'm kind of done chasing Music Row and trying to fit in there. I'm actually really more invested in creating my own lane, my own avenue, my own thing, and finding. Finding the audience that needs to hear that they too. Their stories matter in this genre, and we're finding that. So I'm less. I'm less interested in, like, trying to chase down the Music Row thing and waiting for them to catch up, because that inevitably will happen.

[Natalie]

What is inspiring this new album?

[Fancy Hey Good]

I grew up loving Nickel Creek. Nickel Creek has always been my favorite band. I mean, forever. So bluegrass inspired music. Music is what I want to Do Next and kind of sticking to my pop roots. You know, my first time putting music out was my first single was called Goodbye. It was a top 40 hit. And I write a lot of melodically pop stuff, so I kind of want to infuse everything that's been a part of my career. Being that pop artist called who is Fancy. Being myself Fancy. Hey, good. And writing music that's more true to me and kind of existing in the country space. But I think next, I really want to make a pop album that dressed in a bluegrassy, a lot of organic instruments, just kind of making accessible music like that for people.

[Nick]

Speaking of, though, I feel like Nashville is a city that could really host well. I was gonna A Housewives show.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I agree. And I was actually gonna ask you your opinion on this. Every time a reality show pops up out of Nashville, it never works. And I'm curious what your opinion on that is.

[Natalie]

That is true.

[Mary]

Like.

[Natalie]

Like, very Cavalieri.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Well, that would be the one that I think kind of did kind of like. But I don't feel like that's, like, Nashville based. I feel like that's Kristen Cavallari. And the same with, like, there was another show on E. That had Jesse.

[Nick]

Oh, Jesse James decided.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah, Jesse James Decker.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Down Home Deckers or something.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah. I feel like that was. That did pretty well. But I feel again, I feel like that was more about her, less about, like, an ensemble Nashville cast.

[Nick]

You know, what I think it is is that Nashville has really become, like, the hub of the south in terms of a media market, and it's growing, and you have a lot of country music artists, you have actors and celebrities who are all residing in Nashville. And I think they've tried to make TV shows with those people who are already kind of in entertainment. And to that point, I think they're all very much like, I won't do that. I won't do that. They all have their kind of boundaries. They're all kind of trying to balance being good reality TV stars and what it really takes to do that. That versus, like, you know, their brand or what, you know, their team might think. And there's just. It's. The life of reality TV star is not for the faint of heart. You know, there's.

[Natalie]

It needs drama.

[Nick]

It needs drama. In some of these other cities, like, say, Salt Lake, there's not, you know, to be a Housewives or the Secret Life of Mormon Wives is. They're the most famous arguably. And, you know, I don't know who all lives in Salt Lake City. But those groups of women are. They're celebrities. They're like the biggest deal there. And I think, you know, it's just like a different world. I think that's part of the reason why I think a lot of the people they're looking at in Nashville are too edited. They're too kind of like they've already got a taste of reality TV and they're all trying to like, make it to the next level. And I think what. Bravo does a good job of finding people who are willing to go there. And I think maybe Nashville just has a lot of people who aren't willing to go there.

[Fancy Hey Good]

I think that's a good point. Yeah. Like, the people who should do it and would make it really good probably wouldn't do it it and they wouldn't.

[Natalie]

Do it to, like, what we'd want, you know, like, they hot. You know, if I. I know that like country music star wives have been like, pitched around. I've seen that. And it's like, well, they wouldn't give it their all because they've got.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah, I'm sorry. No. No tea. No shade to wives of country artists. No one wants to watch that.

[Mary]

I what their Instagram's for.

[Natalie]

Yeah, it's like, like we follow them.

[Nick]

And it's family friendly and it's cute.

[Fancy Hey Good]

And go push your hair gummies and your extension lines and let that be that. Okay. I want to see like, I want to see music executives. I want to see like the. The real. If I were to cast like the Real Housewives of Nashville. Andy Cohen, call me. I have some ideas for you.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Don't give them away right now.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah. And maybe. And maybe it's time they put a gay on that couch. Maybe there should be a gay Real Housewife and maybe it should be me. I know I don't have a man, but neither do most of the cast on all the Real Housewives. Oh, and also, what about Real Housewives of Rhode Island?

[Nick]

Very excited. Our friend Ashley. Buddy.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Yeah. Is this like the first Bravo Bachelor crossover?

[Natalie]

Gotta be, right?

[Fancy Hey Good]

I don't know that I've ever seen that. No.

[Natalie]

Jasmine Good is on the Valley season.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Okay.

[Natalie]

Bachelor.

[Fancy Hey Good]

So it's not the first.

[Mary]

Not the first.

[Nick]

But I do think a housewife title is different than Cast of the Valley. Right?

[Fancy Hey Good]

I agree. Yeah. I'm excited about Real Housewives of Rhode island because I'm missing New Jersey. I'm missing it real bad. And I feel like this is going to give. I feel like that's going to scratch that. Itch a little bit.

[Natalie]

I think it will.

[Fancy Hey Good]

And I also kind of had the same feeling about it when they announced it as I did Salt Lake, where I was kind of like, why? And I'm like, wait a second, I'm in. I was wrong about that. My initial judgment on that was. Could not have been more wrong.

[Natalie]

Maybe you can't trust your initial judgment.

[Fancy Hey Good]

Maybe not.

[Natalie]

Maybe not.

[Fancy Hey Good]

And actually, that might be true now that I'm thinking about several other things, I've been quick to judge.

[Nick]

Well, Fancy, this has been so much fun, man.

[Fancy Hey Good]

It has been so much fun for me. A true honor. Thank you for having me.

[Nick]

You want to come back sometime?

[Fancy Hey Good]

Anytime. Y' all will have me. I'll be here.

[Nick]

Well, Fancy, hey, good. You are a wonderful, wonderful guest.

[Fancy Hey Good]

You should listen on Apple Music, where I also have a radio show.

[Nick]

Oh, Apple Music, period. That's where you prefer people to enjoy your content.

[Natalie]

He also has a radio show.

[Nick]

Yeah. Where else can people find you, Fancy, before we let you go?

[Fancy Hey Good]

Oh, you can find me at Fancy, hey, good on Instagram. Fancy, hey, good on Tik Tok. Fancy, hey, good. Anywhere you enjoy entertainment, I am there.

[Natalie]

The one, the only.

[Nick]

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[Mary]

I go back and forth. I like it, but then there's moments where I'm like, why am I interested in this?

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And maybe it's just it's going to take a half a season to be invested in these characters. It could be that.

[Mary]

I do think that I'm like, life is pretty repetitive. So I'm like. I can't say that they're, like, taking storylines from past seasons, but it just kind of feels like I've seen all of this before. And it's like a little bit like the fights are just very, like. Okay, so are you getting along? Are you friends or are you not?

[Justin]

Did you guys ever see that Looney Tunes show? That was them as, like, little kids. Yes. That's how this feels to me. Tiny Tunes, Tiny Toons. It feels like the Tiny Toons version of and I loved Tiny Toons. And it kind of feels like Vanderpump Rules Tiny, too.

[Mary]

I'm here for that.

[Nick]

Well, if you don't know what we're talking about, Mary has a rapid recap to bring some of you up to speed, and then we'll get into it.

[Justin]

I do. All right, so the last episode of Vanderpump Rules, we've got. Natalie was Millie Bobby Brown's body double and kissed her brother. Millie Bobby Brown's brother, which was an interesting fact. Kim called Natalie a psychotic. Venus is ending his friendship with Marcus. Jason is a serial canoodler. And Unfollowed Angelica. After talking to another girl, he doesn't feel like he did anything wrong, and she's being crazy and obsessive for being mad about it. Shane wants to be a screenwriter and he has an annoying life, so he's a man in Los Angeles. Venus confronts Marcus about him talking shit about him. Marcus calls him a fucking moron. They decide not to be friends anymore. Angelica's broken up with her ex, but still living with him, so it's complicated. She also designs swimsuits for pretty skinny girls. Audrey is moving into a new apartment, and guess who comes to help her move. It's Chris. He sees her vibrator and they share a chaste kiss. Marcus is using DJing to channel his group grief. Then at Girls Night, there's a lot of tension between Natalie and Kim. Kim doesn't want to talk to Natalie about it because she doesn't want to get into a fight, but they still end up in a fight. Jason decides to text Angelica and tell her he's still into her. She says she might be down. Then they all get drunk and do the thing that girls do, which is redible.

[Mary]

I'm just curious, like, what's the pipeline to men in tox? Like, toxic men in relationships to becoming a dj?

[Justin]

I think there's something when you and you have enough Smirnoff vodka that goes into your head. You think, think the music is moving me in a way that I must control.

[Mary]

Like, there's like, yeah, like, I can't deal with, like, emotional awareness or maturity, but, like, I can make a sick playlist.

[Justin]

I can make the beat drop.

[Leia]

Do you think it's because there's something, like, sexual and erotic of being a dj? Because if you think about it, like, they're always playing into, like, the powerful, hot nature of, like, playing the music at the clubs.

[Justin]

I, as someone who does think I would make a killer dj. That's one of my most toxic traits. I get it. It's like, you want to be that person. You want, like, that control.

[Nick]

You want attention.

[Justin]

Yeah. You want control and attention. Two things I enjoy.

[Nick]

My biggest takeaway is Jason referring to Angelica as Mama.

[Justin]

Yeah, let's talk.

[Nick]

Is that what the boys are saying these days? Because, you know, like, how. Not that anyone. I know who says this, but, like, some of the ladies out there will be like, papi daddy or whatever, and they'll kind of refer to the man that they're dating as dad Daddy in a way. And that seems to have been, like, socially acceptable in the right context, I guess. I Don't know.

[Justin]

I've called some of my male friends. Platonic male friends.

[Nick]

Papa, sure. But I just. When I. When a young man is referring to the woman he's dating as mama, that is not the same.

[Justin]

Sierra, how would you feel if Connor called you mama?

[Mary]

He would never.

[Justin]

Would he ever go, hey, mama?

[Mary]

It's like a cultural thing than, like, cool, but like, hey, mommy kind of thing. But like, no.

[Nick]

Yeah, if you got a kid, it's kind of cute. Be like, hey, mama, you know?

[Mary]

Yeah. Like there's. There's situations where I'm like. Or like, if you're referring to me, to our child as like, mommy, then okay. And like daddy, but. Yeah. No, there's never going to be a world in which. And I have thought I have absent father issues. So, like, I'm not referring to the love of my life as daddy, but.

[Nick]

Mary and Justin part. You know, you represent our Gen Z community. Do you. Is this something. Is this just. Just Jason being weird or is this a thing that the.

[Mary]

The 20 year old, the youngins are doing?

[Justin]

This is. This is a thing that they're doing.

[Leia]

It's giving Internet lingo, like, I don't use the word mamas. I did it the other day and it didn't feel right.

[Justin]

Justin was trying to do an impression.

[Leia]

Of me and, like, it just. It's not me. But I know those people and I know they're like, it's any person of any age online, I think is what it is.

[Mary]

But isn't it a weird feeling when one of those things do slip out of your mouth because you've heard it around and then you're like, no. Instantly want to put it back in my mouth and swallow.

[Leia]

It doesn't work.

[Justin]

Yeah. Like me, I'm flinging about like a hey, mama. Oh, my God, Divarina. Oh, my God. Divacino. Like, it's. It's just there's a worm in my brain that is calling people insane.

[Leia]

It's like.

[Mary]

But it works for you, Mary.

[Leia]

It's like when people out of nowhere go, mama. It's like when people out of nowhere go, my Shayla.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Leia]

And it's like, what? Like, if you're not on the Internet, you don't know what that means, but if you're on the Internet, like, that's a very specific, like, form of communication.

[Justin]

You know, it's funny, I am on the Internet and I still don't completely know what it means, but I know there's a Blondie song called Shayla and. No, that's not what they're referring to, but that's what it means to me in my heart.

[Mary]

Wait. Somebody sent me a comment, and they said, I don't know who you are, but your face is in capital T. But then with a question mark at the end. And I was like, is this a compliment or an insult?

[Nick]

Is it just, like, Internet lingo? Is there any. Is there any, like, meaning behind the mama stuff?

[Justin]

I think he's a straight man trying to be like, ooh, I can girl out with you.

[Mary]

Term of endearment.

[Justin]

Term of endearment. And also be flirty. But, like, it's. It's like, if one of your girls calls you mama, that's, like, fun. But when a man calls you and I. I'm obviously coming at this from.

[Nick]

A very specific point of view. I feel I could be wrong, but I feel like for the ladies who refer to the men that they might date as, like, Poppy or Daddy, it's like they might have a. An arrangement where he might be, you know, taking care of a lot of the financial responsibilities. Is that accurate or not?

[Leia]

No, I think it's not that. No.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Justin]

I think it's just people are like, oh, my. Okay, Daddy. That felt. See, that felt weird for me to say.

[Nick]

But I'm just wondering, for the boys who are saying mama, are they looking for, like, a lady to pay the bills?

[Leia]

No, it's literally just them being cutesy.

[Justin]

Yeah, I think it's like. Like, Mama in the. In the term of. I think it's like you think of, like, MILF rules. Like, oh, my God. Like, milf, like, mama. Like, it's kind of like that.

[Nick]

But the boys are trying to be cute. Cutesy.

[Justin]

The boys are trying to flirt.

[Nick]

Okay. Okay.

[Mary]

Which has been painful to watch.

[Justin]

Yes.

[Mary]

In this. In this show, specifically, it.

[Justin]

Literally watching the show, I think, because I'm watching this now, being like, oh, they're my age in real time.

[Nick]

Do they. Do you feel represented, Mary and Justin?

[Leia]

No, not represented, but I. I feel more represented by Southern hospitality.

[Mary]

Agree.

[Leia]

Because I feel like it's like those are people that, like, I've met in real life. But I feel like. I feel like Vanderpump, to me, is a lot of, like, influencer culture, which is not, like, people that I'm surrounded around. Does that make sense, Mary? Like, I feel like it's a different version of people our age.

[Justin]

I feel like Southern hospitality and Next Gen. Next Gen specifically spoke to me because it was almost like a bit of young adults kind of in, like, the entertainment industry. Right. Versus this. Because it feels like tiny toons. Vanderpump Rules.

[Leia]

It feels like characters, like. I feel like I'm watching characters of Gen Z and Vanderpump right now.

[Justin]

I do really like Audrey, though. I. She. That girl's got soft.

[Mary]

I feel like they're all just too on. Does that make sense? Because I'm like. When we watch the first season of Vanderpump Rules, which was so awesome, was like, the whole, like, Jax and Stassi of it all, and it comes out that he cheated on her. Like, they're drinking her drinking his bottles of Cristal and putting cigarette butts. There's something that was just so, like, effortless and genuine of, like, how they would react to a situation where I feel like all of their heightened situations thus far in the episodes, it just feels very like it's performative, manufactured. Yeah.

[Nick]

Well, I also feel like that's kind of why. What's the Love island spin off?

[Mary]

Beyond the vil, beyond the villa.

[Nick]

I feel like it's more difficult for those shows to work. Kind of like what we talked about with Fancy is, like, now they're stars, and now they're, quote, unquote, public figures who already have followings and fans and brands to protect and preserve. And that's not what made them famous.

[Justin]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I mean, the Vanderpump cast is different, but they are. They have a blueprint of, like, the original Vanderpump people they're trying to emulate. So it's not like this organic. Organic world.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Like watching somebody have a sit down with Lisa due to their poor behavior. But because of what's going on in their personal life, you now get an opportunity to dj. Like, I was just like, I've seen this.

[Justin]

Yeah, I've seen this film before, and I didn't like the ending.

[Mary]

Yeah. Like, we didn't even have to add water, but it somehow condensed.

[Justin]

You know, I think what. What is kind of interesting to me about this Vanderpump Rules is that it almost seems as if the original Vanderpump Rules, like, season one, they were all so mad at each other, had all of this mess, but they didn't have the words to articulate it or understand how to talk about it with each, which is what made it so intriguing and such a good show. With this show, not only is there a blueprint of the actual, like, filming production storyline that they are just generally aware of, there's also the level of the way young people and friend groups talk to each other now, which is Very TikTok therapy. Yeah. So it's like you're not having these big confrontations of like, built up emotions.

[Mary]

It's trying to figure out what the.

[Justin]

Root of the problem is. It's like, no, you're triggering me. I need to take a step back.

[Nick]

Let's like you're trying to protect my mental health. I feel gaslit. You might be love bombing me, you know?

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Justin]

Prioritize. And I'm like, what happened to good old fashioned mess? Yell at each other, throw a drink.

[Leia]

We did finally have the scene of Venus and Marcus going, well, leave. I'm not leaving.

[Mary]

But we've also seen that with Sheena.

[Leia]

And Stassi and like that that I wanted to see and I'm glad we saw it. But that's also an example of like, I feel like it's a little too.

[Mary]

Much and to go off of that too. The scene when Markus opens up, that scene where I'm just like, Lisa, you want me to believe that you're running a restaurant and that you've employed these people? This man has started drinking shots of vodka at your DJ booth from the second got there. By the time he's in uniform, some girl walks out while he's smoking a cigarette and hands him her martini. He takes a sip and then smoking a cigarette. And I'm just like, this man is wasted at work. What is happening? And also big fan of Venus. He's my. He's my break. Breakout star of Venus.

[Nick]

Well, we have Alex Baskin, the executive producer, returning to the show on Thursday's episode of Reality Recap. He's also the executive producer of Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and oh is see. And we will get to talk to him about the most recent season of Beverly Hills. What's going on with OC Obviously we have Vicki coming. So many questions for Alex and But just kind of talking about his opinion of the new Vanderpump Rules season. I think he's really high on it and I'm curious what he has to say about like, you know, fans interest or what their opinions are. All the opinions I think we have, I think a lot of people share with them. And we'll get to ask Alex all those questions and more on Thursday's episode. That will do it for us today. Thank you to our guest, Fancy. Hey, good. Don't forget tomorrow we got Austin Kroll from Southern Charm on Wednesday's episode of Going Deeper. It's an episode you will not want to miss. Finally, we got the boys on the couch. I'm really excited to get to know these men. I'm really fascinated by, you know, they really represent men in reality TV in the Bravo universe. Like, I think these three guys, for better or worse, are representing heterosexuality in the Bravo universe. And I'm very fascinated by their characters, their arcs, their entire careers on this show. It all starts with Austin Kroll. That's tomorrow. Until then, have a great day. Happy New Year, everybody. We'll see you back tomorrow.