E1059 - Palm Beach w/ Rosalyn Yellin, Alex Baskin Returns, RHOSLC Finale & Ashley Tisdale Friend Group Drama

Summary

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The Viall Files E1059: Palm Beach w/ Rosalyn Yellin, Alex Baskin Returns, RHOSLC Finale & Ashley Tisdale Friend Group Drama

Release Date: January 8, 2026
Host: Nick Viall
Guests: Rosalyn Yellin, Alex Baskin, and The Household (Sierra, Mary)

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Episode Overview

This Reality Recap episode dives deep into Bravo's latest drama, new reality TV spin-offs, and the inner workings of adult friend groups in the headlines. Nick Viall hosts with The Household as they break down the much-discussed Real Housewives of Salt Lake City (RHOSLC) finale, spotlight the “Members Only: Palm Beach” Netflix series via a candid interview with star Rosalyn Yellin, and bring in Bravo producer Alex Baskin to discuss franchise evolution and fan-favorite casting. Celebrity friend group drama centered on Ashley Tisdale adds a pop-culture twist.

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Episode Breakdown

1. Personal Updates and Flu in the Viall Household

• [01:43] – [04:13]
  • Nick shares a personal opening detailing his family’s current battle with the flu, with his wife Natalie and their daughter River both down sick.
  • The household commiserates about the challenges of watching a partner or child struggle with illness.
  • Notable Quote:
    • Nick: “I wish I could take my wife’s pain away in the worst way right now... I would do two flus so Nelly wouldn’t have to do one.” (03:52)

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2. Ashley Tisdale Friend Group Drama

• [06:03] – [09:21]
  • Discussion of growing adult “mom group” drama after Ashley Tisdale’s article stirred up Hollywood “Disney Channel” friendships, including a photoshop meme by Hilary Duff’s husband, Matthew Koma.
  • The Household highlights how adult friendships can be as “tricky” and “prickly” as high school.
  • Notable Quote:
    • Mary: "When I see a feud like this, I think, thank God for two divas fighting." (06:42)
    • Nick: “It did remind me of when you were a kid… you introduce two friends… they become really close friends and… you’re not invited.” (08:59)

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3. RHOSLC Finale Deep Dive & Recap

• [09:31] – [23:48]

Recap and Rapid-Fire Takes

• The team enthusiastically recaps the RHOSLC finale, praising its Greek tragedy meta-theme and highlighting the ongoing conflict between cast members Meredith, Lisa, Heather, Whitney, and Bronwyn.
• [14:13] Mary’s rapid recap—highlights the season’s most dramatic moments, including:
  • A Greek tragedy written about the Housewives
  • Brutal accusations, shifting alliances, intervention-gone-wrong
  • Exposing personal struggles and marital rumors
  • An emotional, “read-to-filth” theater performance

Key Discussion Points

• Sympathy for Meredith as the perennial "villain" and cast scapegoat.

• Criticism of overreaching armchair diagnoses by castmates using personal trauma to “psychoanalyze” Meredith.

• Lisa Barlow as the finale’s MVP for standing by Meredith.

• The collective agreement that while drama is necessary, mobbing and relentless interventions cross the line.

  Notable Quotes & Moments:

  • Nick: "It’s very poetic… It’s like a Greek tragedy.” (04:27)
  • Mary: “Whoever came up with that idea… Bravo’s Macbeth… Genius.” (15:15, 15:27)
  • Sierra: “The only bumps that Meredith does is of caviar.” (22:47)
  • Nick: “I need Meredith back next season because… she will count everyone’s drinks.” (22:19)
  • Mary: “Villain era Meredith Marks… and I’m still her number one.” (22:28)

Real Housewives & Reality TV Friendships

• Dissection of how reality TV friendships mirror the shifting alliances and betrayals of real life: “it’s always Meredith’s turn” to be scapegoated.
• Mary calls out Heather for faking vulnerability and undermining authentic apologies.

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4. Interview: Alex Baskin, Bravo Executive Producer

• [25:35] – [64:10]

The Bravo Universe from the Inside

• Alex discusses the interplay between Real Housewives franchises: healthy competition, motivational dynamics, and the necessity of refreshing each show’s identity.

Hot Topics with Time Stamps:

• Salt Lake City’s Strategic Brilliance (28:10)
  • Drama, costumes, shifting show identities: “Each version has its own identity… they found a different formula that works for them.”
• Teasing 'The Valley: Persian Style' (30:11)
  • Built around Shahs alumni (MJ, Reza, Gigi).
  • Emphasis on real Persian-American friendships, “cultural authenticity,” food, and dramatic but enjoyable conflict: “We were dealing with the drama of life, not the trauma of life.” (33:50)
• Casting: The Challenge of “Originals” Amid Social Fame (45:42)
  • Alex laments how the new generation seeks fame as an end in itself—harder to find Vicky Gunvalson-type originals.
• Managing Housewives Drama & Factions (39:29, 40:32)
  • How producers walk the line between cast autonomy and show control when cast members “refuse to film” with each other.
• Housewives as Friends, Not Just TV Colleagues (34:28, 43:58)
  • “When it’s a real group of friends, they do that [move on]. Sometimes, it devolves into Survivor…”

Fan FAQs & Franchise News

• Vicki Gunvalson’s OC return and whether it means cast shake-ups.
  • Alex: “Vicki getting her orange doesn’t necessarily lead to [a cast member being fired].” (39:46)
• Rumors about Heather Dubrow moving to Beverly Hills are “not rooted in anything.” (59:48)
• Introducing fresh energy to Beverly Hills via Amanda, unique dynamics on the show, and hoping more Housewives will date and show their romantic lives.

Notable Quotes:

• Alex: “They are genuine friends… they’re so open, sharing their lives… all the dramatics you need, but it’s enjoyable.” (31:35)
• Nick (re: Vicki Gunvalson): “I never feel like she’s trying to be funny… she’s just shooting from the hip.” (38:17)
• Alex: “She hasn’t changed one wit in 20 years, which is fantastic.” (38:26)
• Alex on producing: “As much as possible, we want to corral it into real relationships… if the whole show is about the show, we’re just eating ourselves.” (42:10)

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5. Interview: Rosalyn Yellin, “Members Only: Palm Beach”

• [69:29] – [107:54]

The “Palm Beach” Experience: Social, Surreal, and High Stakes

• First half: The Household discusses what sets Palm Beach apart—a fresh Netflix direction, extreme wealth, and social rules that create a uniquely “middle-aged, affluent Florida” dynamic.

Rosalyn Yellin’s Story: From Trauma to Society Matron

• Rosalyn candidly speaks on being blindsided by co-star Hillary revealing personal, traumatic details on another podcast.
• Shares intimate autobiographical details for the first time:
  • Childhood physical and mental abuse, abandonment, and being a child bride at 17 in Israel (non-consensual marriage via parental consent).
  • Courageous escape as a young mother, rebuilding her life independently in the U.S., then meeting her current husband, Jonathan, who raised her children as his own.
  • Motivation for joining the show: “I wanted to show there’s hope, there is light at the end of the tunnel.”

Notable Quotes:

• Rosalyn: “She tried to make it sound like some deep, dark secret that would ruin me… but it’s not. It’s just private, and I want to tell my story.” (74:08)
• Rosalyn: “I have never felt such a weight lifted off my chest as I do right now. You’re the first people I told this story.” (103:48)
• Nick: “The second part of your story is such a beautiful story… you turned your life around in such a magnificent way.” (85:00)

The Realities of Palm Beach Socialite Life

• Etiquette 101: “No boobs, no knees” dress code—meant as a metaphor for daytime modesty, especially in private clubs and charity events, not a literal policing. (95:27)
• “Don’t ask to be invited, wait for the invite… bring your hostess a gift… reciprocate.”
• Gossip, “blacklists,” and navigating exclusivity.
• Rosalyn asserts that despite on-camera drama: “We really do have fun, and there’s much more to see than the show can fit.”

Rivalry with Hillary

• Rosalyn denies any real competition or animosity on her part, shocked to discover how negatively she was portrayed.
• Willing to accept an apology but skeptical it would ever come.
• Clarifies that fundraising and club memberships are facts of her life, and bristles at accusations of being a "phony or fraud."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Mary (RHOSLC): “Bravo needs to let more random people write roasts about these women.” (15:20)
• Nick (on Housewives drama): "If you're going to talk shit behind someone's back, you might as well say it to their face." (20:55)
• Alex Baskin (on Bravo franchises): “Every few years, [the show] finds a different identity really brilliantly... it’s something for us to look to and hopefully to top.” (28:10)
• Rosalyn Yellin (on her journey): “I found my voice. I finally found my voice… I have never felt such a weight lifted off my chest as I do right now.” (103:48)
• Rosalyn (on Hillary): “Shame on Hillary for turning my life story into something negative.” (84:37)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• [01:43] Viall family flu saga
• [06:03] Ashley Tisdale/Hilary Duff friend group drama
• [14:13] RHOSLC “Greek tragedy” finale rapid recap
• [25:35] Alex Baskin interview begins
• [30:11] “The Valley: Persian Style” preview
• [39:29] Vicki Gunvalson’s return and cast shake-up rumors
• [45:42] The challenge of casting authentic stars in the social media age
• [69:29] Rosalyn Yellin interview begins (Members Only: Palm Beach)
• [74:08] Rosalyn addresses Hillary’s podcast betrayal
• [95:27] “No boobs, no knees” Palm Beach etiquette explainer
• [103:48] Rosalyn’s cathartic moment and season renewal hopes

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Conclusion & Tone

The episode runs an engaging, fast-paced, sometimes emotional gamut: from playful banter about Bravo finales and pop culture mess to a vulnerable, real-life account of overcoming adversity. Nick and The Household balance sharp reality TV commentary with warmth and empathy, especially in the interviews. Both guests—producer Alex Baskin and socialite Rosalyn Yellin—offer unique behind-the-scenes perspectives, actively setting the record straight on hot-button topics.

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A must-listen for Bravo obsessives, reality TV fans, and anyone curious about the complexities of adult friendship and reinvention as exposed by reality television.

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Transcript

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[Roslyn Yellen]

You're crazy.

[Nick Vile]

What's going on, everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. I'm your host, Nick. I am not joined by my spectacular, lovely, gorgeous, even mother of my child. The greatest mom of all time. Best wife ever is down bad with the flu. We got the flu in the house. River. River, the other morning, yesterday morning, we were supposed to be in LA right now. We're not. Don't worry, we got the team there. Little baby river, like woke up, threw up in the bed, like just little baby. And it was like a weird. I don't know, Leia has. I think you guys had the flu recently, right? Isn't it weird to see your Baby throw up.

[Sierra]

It's really weird.

[Mary]

We.

[Sierra]

So Louie sleeps in our bed, so it actually happened, like, while we were there in the middle of the night.

[Nick Vile]

And river was also with us in our bed when she threw up. Like, she often will join us halfway through the night sometimes.

[Sierra]

Yeah, that's. That's actually how we rung in the new year. I otherwise would not have seen 1am but we had a late night. Yeah, he woke up at one in the morning throwing up in our bed. And it was. It was tough. It's really hard to see and to watch because it's scary because the super scary.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, it was. It was with River. She puked and passed out.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Oh, no.

[Nick Vile]

Just went back to sleep.

[Sierra]

Oh, okay.

[Nick Vile]

Well, I don't think.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God.

I was, like, right after the end.

[Nick Vile]

No, but, like, just kind of, like, zonked. Like, she woke up early and zog. Nally is now down very bad. I'm, like, waiting for it to.

[Sierra]

Oh, yeah, you're not gonna hit. Yeah. Danny and I. Danny and I got sick one after.

[Nick Vile]

I'm hoping I can fight it. Like, I'm on. I'm running on two hours of sleep. I was up all night with Natalie and River going back and forth between, like, taking care of river, taking care of Natalie. Natalie's throwing up, like, every 10 minutes. Yeah, she's getting an IV right now. We're down bad. I wish there was a way for. At least for the men out there. I wish I could take my wife's pain away in the worst way right now. And it's like. It's just so debilitating to watch her suffer. I wish there was a way. It's just. It's so hard. It's so hard to see your partner, your wife, suffer. I wish I could. I wish there was a button I could push.

[Sierra]

Well, guess what, Nick? You're next. So you will.

[Nick Vile]

No, I know. I mean, yeah, with the flu. I mean, I'm next, But in general, I wish I could. I would. I would do two flus so Nelly wouldn't have to do one. Oh, I think it's only fair. If you were married to someone. If there was a way. How could you say no? If, like, if science presented itself with, hey, you could trade pain.

[Sierra]

That's kind of how I feel about birth control.

[Nick Vile]

Anyways, this is all to say, I really love my wife, and she is down bad, and we are keeping the ship alive, the boat afloat. I don't know what it is, but we do have a wild and wacky episode for you. We have the Salt Lake City premiere. Our finale, rather.

[Sierra]

It was so good.

[Nick Vile]

Another banger. It's really, it's really like, it's like a high art, you know, poetic that took place in Greece. But it's like a Greek soap opera. It's like, I don't know, like it's, it's a real, a tragedy.

[Sierra]

It's a Greek tragedy.

[Mary]

It's like.

[Nick Vile]

Thank you. A Greek tragedy.

[Mary]

It's Aristotle's poetics, you guys.

[Nick Vile]

It's very poetic. We also, we weren't expecting to do this, but we have tapped in to the members Only Palm beach and we have a guest for you. There's some drama going on with the ladies of Palm beach. And we have coming up in this episode, Roslyn Yellen. And Roslyn reached out to us. Apparently one of her co stars went on friend of show, Heather McDonald her her show and said some things that rubbed her the wrong way, told some untruths, according to Roslyn. So she's here to set the record straight. So if you're watching Members Only on Netflix, get ready because it's going to be juicy. But before that, we also have Alex Baskin, the executive producer of Vanderpump, Beverly Hills Housewives and Real Housewives of Orange County. So a lot of burning questions.

[Sierra]

The Valley Persian style, which also the Valley person style.

[Nick Vile]

So a busy man in the Bravo universe and we have him on our couch. He's been here before. He's a great interview. Always answering our burning questions about all things in the Bravo space. So we are excited to have Alex as well before we tap into Salt Lake City. You know, I don't want to get into it because it seems messy and I don't want anything to do with it. But that friend group chat with Ashley Tisdale is getting bananas.

[Mary]

Yeah, it's some classic. It's some classic Disney Channel beef is all I have to say.

[Nick Vile]

Now you have, you have Hillary Dove's husband just getting messy.

[Sierra]

Matthew Coma has entered the chat.

[Nick Vile]

Listen, I love a protective husband, you know, but we up until this point, it was a speculation. You know, I think it was Ashley, Ashley Tisdale's rep was like, hey, there's a different friend group.

[Sierra]

She's now everybody knew, like, how many.

[Nick Vile]

Friend groups are you mom groups are you in that you're beefing with?

[Mary]

Here's the thing. Here's my take on this beef. On one hand, I listened to It's All Right, it's okay by Ashley Tisdale once a week to feel something on. So that's my girl. On the other hand, I.

[Nick Vile]

Taking no sides, to be clear on this. Sorry, Mary.

[Mary]

Yeah, no, no, I'm not either, because Hillary Duff, also one literally had beef with Faye Dunaway, like movie star Faye Dunaway and handled herself. And that is a diva I can respect. She also penned the amazing song come Clean. So it's just like, when I see a feud like this, I think, thank God for two divas fighting.

[Nick Vile]

It's just like, what did.

[Mary]

What did.

[Nick Vile]

What did Ashley expect to happen? You know, you're. You know, you wrote about other famous people.

[Mary]

If you write in the cut, you.

[Nick Vile]

Might get cut in a cryptic way, you know. Nice, Mary. Yeah, well done.

[Sierra]

Group photo of all of their faces is circulating. So I'm like. I feel like her husband must have just seen it and was like, there's no way that you're denying who it is. I was actually very impressed with her husband's photoshopping skills.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Honestly, I didn't realize it was photoshopped. I thought he just did a whole Photoshop. I thought he called up the cut and was like, hey, interview me.

[Mary]

Was it not a reenactment?

[Sierra]

No, it's.

[Nick Vile]

No, it's just a Photoshop of his head.

[Sierra]

That's her hand and everything that's, like, on the face.

[Mary]

He got a Canva preview Premium.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, I mean, he really. He's really crushing. Adult friendships are very, very prickly. We. We talk about them a lot on Ask Nick. By the way, good time to remind you that Vile Files plus is available for you. And we have some great things going on in Vile Files Plus. We have your updates from your callers. We also have our deep dives into your favorite reality TV shows. We'll dive even deeper into shows like the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City finale. Pop Extras were all your burning pop culture topics. We'll definitely dive really deep into the mom chat on that so we don't ruffle any feathers publicly. I just gotta say, you know, adult friend groups are tricky when. When one doesn't serve, you just. Just disengage. You know, it's just like, Ashley, what did you kind of. I don't feel like this is going the way she hoped.

[Mary]

Well, did you see, Nick, that Chris Leminkoff tweeted me realizing I wasn't mentioned in Ashley Tizial's Losing Friends article? Imoji. Didn't I start the Trend back in 2021? 14 friends. And it's like they're not part of the same Friend group. That's where I told Sierra. Like, people thought that she was saying she was that friend group, but no, she's just, like.

[Sierra]

She had her own friend group.

She's the OG Situation.

OG of the friend group drama.

[Nick Vile]

It did remind me of when I, like, when you were a kid and you introduce, like, two friends. You're like, hey, I'm friends with you both. Like, you guys should meet. And they become really close friends, and they have, like, a sleepover, and you're not invited.

[Mary]

That happened to me with two of my friends in high school.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, No, I think. Hasn't. Has it not happened to everyone here, or am I just, like, a loser?

[Sierra]

But they hooked up.

[Nick Vile]

Hooked up.

[Sierra]

No, no, no.

[Mary]

It's happened to everyone.

[Alex Baskin]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

The silence.

[Nick Vile]

You're like, oh, I can't relate, Nick.

[Sierra]

Yeah, no, it's. It's. Yeah, it's happened to all of us.

[Mary]

No, it do be real. Speaking of friend groups.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

We got the ladies the sisterhood right off. Okay. All right, round the table. Team who?

[Sierra]

Lisa and Meredith. Sierra is team Lisa and Meredith all the way.

[Mary]

In a shocking reaction to no one. I am fervently. Meredith and Lisa Barlow. I love that girl.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Down.

[Mary]

I'm sorry. I misjudged you.

[Sierra]

I'm actually team Lisa fully after when the Greek play thing was happening and her little interview was like, I don't care what's in that play. I know who I am. I was like, all right, bitch.

This has happened to everyone, right? Like, the ladies love to just all band together against one person, and it's Meredith's turn right now.

[Mary]

It's always Meredith's turn every goddamn year.

[Sierra]

Brit. It's been.

[Nick Vile]

I. I team Meredith and Lisa, which is. I never would have thought.

[Sierra]

I just don't, like. I don't like them telling her that she has an issue and not giving her the chance to literally just say, no, I. I don't have an issue. And they're not believing her, and she's like, what am I supposed to do? At a certain point, like, you hit a wall. It's.

[Mary]

They did the right thing in, like, some instances. Like, I think I'm team all of them in some cases. But I think at the end of the day, Lisa did the right thing by saying, like, this is not right. Like, what you're doing right now is not good. And, like, when Heather was like, you're drawing the line. It's like, nobody's drawing the line. You guys are just alluding to things that are like.

[Sierra]

And when she said, you're not a safe space to Whitney. Whitney's trying to come up and talk to Meredith, like, get away from.

[Nick Vile]

And I think they were. I would have lost it after I got attacked by all my friends. And then another friend stands up and, like, physically grabs me. I would have, yeah.

[Sierra]

Get off. Get off of me right now.

[Nick Vile]

Right? And then, like, listen, I empathize with, like. I mean, Whitney Rose. We love. We friend of show. You know, I think she's great. Mary, huge fan. But, like, obviously. And they've been open about their personal struggles. Mary with her son. We now know he's been incarcerated. A little preview them talking about it in the reunion, Part one. Whitney's been very open about, obviously, her dark relationship with her father and the struggles that she's had there to make those comparisons and use those relationships as, like, an expertise in your ability to diagnose someone. Listen, I. I don't. I believe all those women when it comes to what happened on the plane, certainly Brittany, who was here on the couch with her man Jared, I believe it. But, like, we're. Haven't we all had, like, a really bad moment where we had to been, like, that was fucked up of me. I'm really sorry. I apologize. Like, it doesn't mean that there's, like, serious problems. Seth having lunch with a woman.

[Sierra]

Bronwyn lost me during that whole thing because I was just like. My biggest pet peeve is when people try to use, like, information that they haven't even crossed reference as, like, a gotcha moment. And she's like, well, I know, like, when I have a problem in my marriage that, like, I put a wall up. And Meredith's like, my marriage has never been stronger to come back.

[Mary]

Well.

[Sierra]

Well, I saw Seth with a woman. And it's like. And not saying even how she retold the story originally, that it was an investor. She's like, I just saw him with a woman. And it's like, what do you think you're alluding to? And then claiming that she wasn't alluding to anything.

[Nick Vile]

They lost the plot. When it's basically, the way I look at it is Meredith did. Whatever Meredith did in the plane. Meredith. Meredith. She didn't acknowledge it. You know, she maneuvered, she denied, whatever. And they're all mad at that. And so instead of just focusing on that and saying, you know, to, like, Browin's point, she's like, you know, if you want to be perfect, then you can't be friends. If they focused on the plane ride, they'll win but they, like, doubled and tripled down. And they, like, diagnosed her as to why she did that on the plane is like, some very deep thing. Like, as if she's. The word spiraling. They treated, like, this intervention, like they had, like, a. Like, hospital people in the background ready, ready to strap her to a gurney and take her to a hospital.

[Sierra]

Of course she's spiraling because they're like, every episode, she has to deal with something else.

She's defending herself on every. Every episod. But also, like, every season, as I said, it started back what, season two or season three, whenever the Jen Shaw stuff went down, she was accused of maybe making a phone call to the FBI.

[Mary]

And then her, like, her grief surrounding, like, the death of her father.

[Sierra]

And, like, did. Did you actually have a memorial?

[Mary]

His memorial. And it's like, year after year, I would. Meredith alone.

[Sierra]

I would spiral, too.

[Mary]

Yeah, I do.

I do think when they were bringing up, like, before we get to the rapid recap, when they kept saying, like, well, you're asking about what we talked about at lunch. You keep asking about lunch. It's like, was she asking, Are you trying to get her to ask you about it? Because at this point, you keep bringing it up to try to bait her to say, well, then what did happen?

[Sierra]

100%.

[Mary]

I think they were trying to do the right thing but going about it the wrong way.

[Nick Vile]

Mary, take us away with that rapid recap.

[Mary]

Yeah. So if you somehow live under a rock on a remote Greek island and didn't watch the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City finale, here is a rapid recap. Bronwyn said Angie was so Greek. And Nick, I want you to, like a Def Jam comedian, say, how Greek was she?

[Nick Vile]

How Greek was she?

[Mary]

She was so Greek. It was a tragedy.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Opa.

[Mary]

Okay. And in that vein, Angie does in fact have an elderly Greek woman write a tragedy about all the ladies. Thus begins what here at the vial files are going to call Bravo's Macbeth. Okay, so Meredith and Bronwyn both think they're being gaslit by the other, and now their friendship is over. Angie brings the woman to meet her cousin. He's very sweet and very Greek. Later in the sprinter van, after they meet the cousin, Bronwyn airs out Meredith. She calls her Meredith Marks, Esquire, which is awesome. And then the most important part is, after this, during their final day in Greece, they go and sit in little chairs and watch the Sisters of Salt, a Greek tragedy about themselves. Needless to say, they are all thematically read to filth.

[Nick Vile]

That was Beautifully produced, by the way. Whoever came up with that idea.

[Mary]

Oh, my God. The single tear that runs.

There was a comment that said, bravo. Need to let more random people write roast about these women.

[Sierra]

Oh, my God, it was so good.

[Nick Vile]

What was genius about it? Because they did, like, you know, they interviewed all these women and then put that story together. It was just so in one day.

[Mary]

In one day. That was a one day turnaround. Think about it.

[Nick Vile]

Just like that. Just that. Just like the vowel files.

[Mary]

Exactly. Oh, my God. Okay. So anyway, after the show, they talk about what they thought the play was really about, of course. And maybe they should all be real with each other. Maybe that's a good idea. So then they all get deep. Bronwyn has a problem with loyalty. Lisa has a deep desire to prove herself to everyone. Meredith is afraid of being vulnerable because she doesn't want to be betrayed and hurt again.

[Sierra]

Stop the reactive abuse.

[Mary]

Stop the reactive abuse. Everyone is crying. Everyone loves each other. Deep down, you guys, they're the Sisters of Salt, God damn it. They need each other. But then Heather Gay comes in and just twists that final knife. She says, here goes Meredith, flipping the switch again. All the women are either silent to this abuse or dogpile on Meredith. Mary says something is off. Bronwyn tells Meredith she saw Seth at dinner one time with someone.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, like, okay.

[Mary]

And the only person on Meredith's side during this takedown is baby gorgeous herself, Lisa Barlow, her one true ride or die. Meredith responds to this dogpile by saying, I don't do drugs or drink as much as you bitches. My husband loves me and I'm not fucking mentally ill. Get a life because I like mine, okay? And with that, Lisa Barlow and Meredith Marks call a car service. And as they fade off together into the agnc, Heather Gay can only call out to them in the distance.

[Alex Baskin]

Walk the fuck away.

[Nick Vile]

Mary, your ability to read is exceptional. Can you imagine if I tried to read that?

[Mary]

Me too. Me too.

[Nick Vile]

Did anyone think that Heather was fake crying?

[Sierra]

Yeah, I thought Heather was realized during.

The end credits when she was just.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. And then she, like, put her hand in her knees and it's just like he produced this whole thing.

[Sierra]

Yeah.

And Whitney came over to her side and it was like, oh.

[Mary]

The Greek theater performers were more convincing.

[Sierra]

A true tragedy.

Thank you. Yeah.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Monica Garcia posted on her story, like, this side by side of the last shot from season four of all the women surrounding Heather with, like, being like.

[Mary]

Oh, my God, the last supper to.

[Sierra]

This one where it was just kind of like the, you know, the wish version.

[Mary]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

But also, it just doesn't make much sense too, because as the show ended, right, and they're all like, you know, they gave us the update of all the women. Meredith's marriage has never been better and everything Again. I don't know when they wrapped filming, but we have encountered Meredith a handful of times with Seth and the family. I mean, who knows? Maybe they're faking it. I don't know. But like, they, they seem like they're thriving. Their kids are also doing a show.

[Sierra]

They're like, they're posting from Mexico.

[Nick Vile]

Where is this person who is spiraling so bad that all of her friends need to, like, talk as if she needs to be committed? Well, clearly it's not true.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Sierra]

Also to Sierra's previous point about Bronwyn making it like, you know, when I have marriage troubles, this is what it looks like. Whitney did the same thing where she's like, the only thing I have to compare to the behavior that I'm witnessing in you is my dad. And it's like, well, Meredith ain't your.

[Mary]

What?

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, what?

[Sierra]

I was like, meredith doesn't have any hidden filings that you guys are coming out about. Meredith has successful business. Her kids are killing it. Her husband's killing it. They're together all the time. They're posting from Mexico, making the cutest content.

[Mary]

Sorry, sorry. I'll find you a successful family.

[Nick Vile]

Every relationship.

[Roslyn Yellen]

I'm not your dad.

[Nick Vile]

Different. You know, like, I don't take two hour baths with Natalie. And yet we still deeply love each other as much as Sierra and Connor. You know, it's just, It's a different kind of love.

[Sierra]

Exactly. It's.

[Nick Vile]

You guys like to be pruny and I, I, I have a problem. I'm a little claustrophobic, you know, and.

[Sierra]

So I don't like water.

[Alex Baskin]

I think we should maybe come up with.

[Nick Vile]

I have a merch idea. It's like a T shirt that says, this is not a date I'm on. It's a, this is a business meeting.

[Mary]

Wait, that's actually iconic.

It's on the back too, for the paparazzi photos.

[Nick Vile]

We should make that and send it to staff, you know, just to clear it up. You know, anytime I have like a one on one with one of my female employees. Apparently I have to make sure I have to wear this shirt.

[Sierra]

Somebody might see you.

[Nick Vile]

Someone might see me?

[Sierra]

No.

[Mary]

It's exhausting.

[Nick Vile]

I don't need any rumors about me.

[Mary]

Right?

[Sponsor Voice]

Right.

[Sierra]

Me.

[Mary]

This haircut. Nick Vile.

Yeah, I saw.

Crazy.

[Roslyn Yellen]

It's on.

[Sierra]

Nick with a. With a.

[Roslyn Yellen]

With a woman.

[Mary]

Nick with someone who looks like they have pronouns. I wonder what's going on here.

She's funny today.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, I will say it. See, I will. I. I do think Angie and Britney, they were silent. They.

[Mary]

They.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, I. I felt like they.

[Sierra]

They get it passed.

[Nick Vile]

They're like, I. Yeah. They're like, I'm not rolling them in this.

[Mary]

She was like. She had little. Whole conversation.

[Sierra]

I will say they get a pass because they didn't do anything. But also, like, not really, because Lisa. Lisa is the MVP for Standing up for.

[Mary]

You know, if you're silent, because.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. Mary said multiple times, everyone.

[Mary]

Well, Mary's an mvp, too. Like, she's the one. I was like, why are we all sitting here? And she ripped it off. She was like, y' all need to.

[Nick Vile]

Definitely. Yeah. If you're gonna talk shit behind someone's back, you might as well say it to their face.

[Sierra]

She said the quiet part out loud, but that doesn't make what she said she also. Still.

[Mary]

It was just like, no one was listening to Meredith. They were like, why won't you say what's really going on? And then she was like, all right. What's really going on is I'm scared to open up to you guys because you're mean to me.

Yep.

And then they were like, stop lying.

[Sierra]

Oh, no, it was Heather. Yeah, Heather just pissed me off there.

[Mary]

She was flipping the script again. I was like, but we're having, like.

[Sierra]

This beautiful, like, vulnerable moment. People are, like, repairing relationships.

[Mary]

I shed a tear listening to Lisa talk. I'm not even lying.

[Sierra]

And then you have Heather just, like, all of a sudden come to turn around and is just like, well, actually, Meredith, here's everything that's wrong with you. And it just, like, what.

[Mary]

What the.

[Sierra]

This woman is trying to open up to you guys, explain to you why she feels the way that she feels. And yet, again, you have made it very clear she is not safe in this group of women.

[Mary]

Yeah. I think Heather just wasn't listening, because I think when someone's trying to, like, own up to something or apologize, and the whole time, there's someone in the room that's just, like, making faces. They're not listening to you actually talk.

[Nick Vile]

You know, I did find it hilarious that during the Greek tragedy performance, Britney had a full glass of wine while facing the Meredith's alcoholic accusations.

[Sierra]

No, my favorite is when she goes, well, since I'm a lush alky, I'm gonna head to the line. And I thought she Was saying that to be, like, catty, to get a reaction out of the other women. And then the next shot is she's holding the wine bottle.

[Nick Vile]

I think. I think Brittany's great. I. I need Meredith back on next season because I need her. Oh, and you know, she will count everyone's drinks.

[Mary]

Yeah. Villain era, Meredith Marks. Villain era is upon us. And guess what? I'm still her number one.

[Nick Vile]

She's gonna have one of those, like, hand cl. I want her to, like, walk up behind someone's back really slowly and just, like, do that. Click.

[Sierra]

Oh, she should get a breathalyzer, honestly. Yeah, she should just get a breathalyzer and walk around.

[Mary]

That would be so diva.

[Sierra]

I don't even think we saw her. I don't think she was even drinking during her DJ set. I think she was drinking water. That's what I think. The only. The only bumps that Meredith does is of caviar.

[Mary]

The only bump.

[Sierra]

I think she's just.

[Mary]

She bumps on a beat, and she bumps on caviar.

[Sierra]

Emotional. Like, can. Can a woman just be emotional?

[Nick Vile]

And she really hates Britney. And she got triggered, and she did. She shouldn't have done. And, you know, her mistake was not apologizing. Owning that, but they took it.

[Sierra]

Listen, Meredith is not perfect.

She.

She says. I think that she's been caught lying. She has said mean things about other people. They all have. They're all guilty of it. But do I think that she's unstable? No.

[Mary]

No.

[Nick Vile]

When she was like, I don't do pills or drugs, I. My thought was, who does?

[Mary]

Well, she literally says Heather and Whitney.

[Sierra]

Said that she was a pill popper.

And she said I could talk alcoholic. Continue to lie about me, and I'll start to tell the truth.

[Nick Vile]

The way she said it, she made it seem like she knows people who do.

[Sierra]

Oh, yeah.

[Mary]

She said the pills that Heather and Whitney take.

Yeah, I could talk about the pills that Heather and Whitney are taking.

[Nick Vile]

Well, it was a wild finale, and certainly we have a lot more to get into as the reunion unfolds. It's a three parter, and if you want to dive even deeper into this finale, be sure to check out Vile Files plus, because we will certainly do that along with that messy, messy mom group. Up next, we got Alex Baskin, the executive producer for some monster shows on Bravo. Beverly Hills Housewives, Real Housewives of Orange county, and Vanderpump and the Valley. He's a busy bee, and he's up next. Chime is changing the way people bank. Chime isn't just another banking app. They unlock smarter banking for everyday people with products like MyPay giving you access to up to 500 of your paycheck anytime you get paid up to 2 days early with direct deposit. Some old banks still don't do this. Forget overdraft fees, minimum balance fees and monthly fees. Chime turns everyday spending into real rewards and progress. Bank fee free plus overdraft coverage you can count on helps you build credit history stress free. Earn up to 3.5% APY on savings. That's eight times higher than a traditional bank. Rated five stars by USA Today for customer service. Real humans 24 7. You can't beat some of these great features when it comes to time. No annual fees, no interest, no strings attached. And when you get qualifying direct deposits, you get 1.5 cash back on eligible Chime Card purchases. I know my younger self would have loved all the benefits that Chime offers, but you can benefit from them today. Right now, Chime is not just smarter banking. It's the most rewarding way to bank. Join the millions who are already banking fee free today. It just takes a few minutes to sign up. Head to chime.comv I a l l that is chime.comv I a L l next. Alex, welcome back to the show.

[Alex Baskin]

Thanks for having me.

[Nick Vile]

We're excited to have you. It's always a pleasure. I mean, we were just talking about all the shows that you're involved in and honestly, thanks for taking the time because I don't know how you do.

[Sierra]

Thank you.

[Alex Baskin]

Happy to do it. We have a lot to talk about.

[Nick Vile]

Lots to talk about before we get into all the shows that you are obviously running and doing and we all very much appreciate and lots to get into. I am just curious. We, we just got done talking about the finale of the Real Housewives of Sal City and as you know, it's a very popular franchise on the show. And I'm curious, as someone who's, you know, executive produced, you know, shows like OC and Bev Hills, you know, some of the most iconic franchises in Bravo universe. Do you watch some of these other ones and do you have certain appreciations for some of these other shows? Is there a competition? Does it ever get competitive in terms of like, you know, a lot of the fanfare that Salt Lake City is getting right now? Or are you one of those like, like really good competitors where it's just like all ships, rising tides or whatever? What's the phrase?

[Alex Baskin]

A rising tide lifts all boats.

[Nick Vile]

Thank you. Sorry again. I'm on two Hours before.

[Alex Baskin]

I might have used that cliche before with our teams internally, so. Well, I think both are true. I think that the success of the franchise is good for all of us, and that sort of goes across the industry, so I think it's great to see. And then on the other hand, it's not. Not bad for us to also be knocked on our asses a little bit and, you know, to see that other shows are thriving and we have to step up our games. So I think both is. Both are true.

[Nick Vile]

Do you ever hear from some of your cast, you know, like, you know, not. I'm just making up a name. Let's just say Heather debrow, or, you know, I doubt Heather would do this, but. Because she seems busy with her fancy life. But let's just say Heather's like, hey, man, all those men of Salt Lake City, they're, like, really popular right now. What could we do differently? Are you ever, like, saying, hey, well, they're giving us this or they're giving us that. Do you use the success of other shows as a way to maybe motivate some of your cast?

[Alex Baskin]

Oh, for sure, for sure. Totally. So you'll point out the success of them and say, we need to elevate ourselves and we need to step up, because right now, they're making a lot of noise. And then to your example, will hear from cast all the time. They're like, you know, why is it that that franchise looks better than ours? You know, so we are. We're challenged on the other side. And it's like, well, you do your part, we'll do our part, and let's make some noise ourselves.

[Nick Vile]

Okay. What do you think it is about Salt Lake City that makes it work? Like, what would your response be to them?

[Alex Baskin]

I think Salt Lake City is just super dramatic and over the top. And obviously, you know, with the. The costume that they wear and the theatrics, I think that they found a different formula that works for them. And I think to a large extent, that's the brilliance of the Housewives franchise. I think that each version has its own identity, and I also think that's a little bit fluid. So I think you can't do the same thing season after season. And Salt Lake has done a great job of sort of always maintaining headlines, and if you look at the life cycle of that show, every couple years, it's found a different identity really brilliantly. So I think it's, you know, something for us to look to and to appreciate and hopefully to top well enough.

[Nick Vile]

About all the shows that you're not doing because you're doing so many, you got just to remind our audience, in case they forgot, Real Housewives of oc, Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, the new vpr, the Valley. The Valley Persian Style, which many people in this household are very, very excited, including my wife, who, unfortun, couldn't be here. Do you have a favorite of these franchises?

[Alex Baskin]

So all those, plus also, we just started production on Jeff Lewis this week, so. And then more to. To announce soon. I, you know, my favorite varies. Right. So it kind of. It depends on where we are in the productions of each of them. I love them all equally, but not all at the same time. Yeah, I would say, but they all require a lot of love. You know, nothing is on autopilot to the point that we were making about the other franchises. So it just is. It's a, you know, a love that also derives from a constant concern that we have to both maintain and then also better what we've been doing all the time.

[Nick Vile]

Let's. Where do you want to start? How about that in terms of the shows to discuss?

[Alex Baskin]

Well, let's start with the Valley Persian Style, since it's the upcoming premiere. And I love that you're excited. Excited about it.

[Nick Vile]

Very excited, yeah. Because also, I mean, like, you know, the Valley, you know, we'll get into that. But I. I'm curious. I'm excited to see the. The Valley be represented in a different way that it's represented in the Valley with some of these dynamic characters that you have.

[Alex Baskin]

Yeah, it's really fun. So the idea sparked when MJ was a guest on my podcast, and I'm just crazy about her and love talking to her and. And she's just so authentically who she is. And it occurred to me that we had the makings of a different version of the Valley because you had the core, the troika of her and Reza and Gigi from which we could build. And the idea was, can we do what is a very different version of the Valley and sort of franchise out that show with those three? And we loved what we found in casting, and it felt very distinct. One, because of the Persian heritage, the Persian culture, and that sort of runs throughout it. And I will tell you, in meeting the cast in the first place, meeting the other cast members, I've never seen better spreads of food in my entire life in every meeting. So come hungry to cast meetings.

[Nick Vile]

You were well fed.

[Alex Baskin]

Very, very well fed. And I obliged. I ate a little bit, but then it's Also, it feels different in terms of where that group is in their lives. And they are, I wouldn't say, a little bit more mature. It's a slightly different, you know, sort of age range, but it just feels like it has its own identity. And it's a fun group that sort of has all of the right mix that you would want for the show. They are genuine friends and. And they're so open, sharing their lives that it's really fun from the beginning. It's a great watch and I'm just super excited about it. And I will say the OGs are in a different place in their lives than they were when they stopped Shaws. And so I think as much as they missed being a part of the show, that show had gotten a little bit dark. That's not where they are right now. And so it's a show that, to me, is very watchable, very appealing, and again, has all of the dramatics that you need very naturally. But I think it's an enjoyable watch.

[Nick Vile]

You mentioned the word dark, and obviously the word dark was often referred to the Valley. If last season's vibe of the valley was dark, how would you describe the vibe of the valley? Persian style?

[Alex Baskin]

I would say it's really different. So I would say that it's a mix. I would say that it can be very dramatic. It's a group that is very expressive, and they frequently refer to in the Persian culture telling all of their friends and family what they think about them at all times. And no one illustrates that better than Vida, MJ's mom, who is in rare form, because when is she not? And so I think that's a lot of fun. But I would say that it is. It's fun, it's festive, but it is real at the same time. Saying they don't hold back, but it doesn't have that darkness over it, because at least in the first season and hopefully going forward, we'll see what happens. We weren't dealing with the trauma of life. We were dealing with the drama of life.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, well, I mean, I love that you said that, and it makes me really excited because not to call back Salt Lake City, but I think a lot of fans, they'll say, what we love about these women is they can fight, they can really let it out, but it doesn't seem to, like, turn a corner. They can move on, they can get into another chapter. It doesn't seem to hang over an entire season. And, yeah, there's a lot of cultures out there that are just more infusive in how they communicate with friends and family, but yet it's not like the end of the world. And they can cut deep with their words and, like, you know, ask each other out to lunch the next day, total.

[Alex Baskin]

And that's the heartbeat of these shows.

[Mary]

Right.

[Alex Baskin]

Because when you have a group of real friends, then there's an investment in each other. And so the fights do cut deeper because you care more about what a friend says to you than someone that you have no investment in. But at the same time, you can get over it because there's a deep love there. And so you see that in this show, and that makes the first season a really fun ride. And look elsewhere. I know we're getting into the other shows, but we're aware of needing to move on. We felt that way this past season of OC it was really tough. And as producers, we both have control and have none, and so we can let the cast know that we want them to get it all out and be real with each other and then move on, but then it's incumbent on them to do that. And again, when it's a real group of friends, they do that. And sometimes when it's not and when the shows devolve into, you know, feeling like it's Survivor and you're kind of trying to expel someone that you don't like from the island, that's a problem.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. And for all the people who, like, maybe didn't watch Shaws, I know a lot of people did. Like, my wife was a big fan, but, like mj, for example, a lot of people got to see her on Traitors last season, and if they want to see maybe more of a. This is a great opportunity to see her in her friend group. If they didn't watch her on the previous iteration that she was on before.

[Alex Baskin]

Yeah, yeah. And she's really. She's one of a kind. She's just someone who should be on television because she's just so authentically who she is.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, we love a star. Shifting gears to OC we were at BravoCon, the household, and we got to see Vicki get her orange. There was a lot of conversations about how that all went down. A lot of people mentioned that it was kind of like, I think. Did Andy even say it was kind of on a whim almost?

[Alex Baskin]

Well, yeah, it wasn't really on a whim. We had talked about bringing Vicky back for season 20. It was Andy's idea to present her the orange at BravoCon. By the way, I don't know whether she still has that orange. I don't know the version of it. So pry it from her cold, dead hands. But we then had a series of conversations to expedite that. To expedite sort of approvals so that that could happen there. So it was thought out, and I thought it was so genuine and pure, it made me laugh. A couple weeks before BravoCon, when that was in the offing and we were trying to get all of those approvals, I had a conversation with Vicki just to feel out where she was and sort of get a sense of where her life was for a potential season 20. And so we're catching up. And it was like an hour conversation. And 45 minutes into it, she said, why are you asking me all these questions about my personal life? Because I've known Vicki forever. But we hadn't caught up in a little bit. And I said, Vicky, it's season 20. I would be remiss if I'm not having this conversation. You just want to get a sense of what you're feeling. And also, if there were an opportunity, what does that sound like to you? And she's like, are you kidding? She's like, I would love to do the show. You know, that's my wish. She said, But I'm also not hanging my hope on it. So if it doesn't happen, I understand that, too. Which I thought was good. I think she's in a really good head space. But it was such a sweet moment when it happened for her.

[Nick Vile]

I'm so excited because I didn't get into Housewives of OC until after Vicky was off the show. We had the pleasure of interviewing her a couple times. She is an absolute delight. I mean, just an app. She's just a star.

[Alex Baskin]

She is.

[Nick Vile]

I mean, every time I talk to her, I'm just having the best time. My jaw is on the floor. And I love that she has her insurance business, and I just love what the way it's like.

[Mary]

She.

[Nick Vile]

I never feel like she's trying to be funny, and I never feel like she's trying to be mean. I feel. I truly always feel like Vicky is just shooting from the hip.

[Alex Baskin]

And to me, she's like. Part of what attracted me to reality TV in the first place is it's someone who, to your point, is an original who is not trying, who really does deserve a camera put on them. She has not changed one wit in 20 years, which is fantastic. And so I love it. It's someone who, otherwise, before the explosion of this genre, would just be a character to all of her friends and now is someone that delights an audience because she just can't help herself. I love her.

[Nick Vile]

I don't know if you can answer this question, but I'm gonna ask it anyways. Our mutual friend Crystal Minkoff said on her show, humble brag of which is part of the MVMedia family, like and subscribe, that Vicki Gunvalson getting her orange means that someone who's currently on the cast might get the boot. That it's not. It won't be an addition. It will be a replacement. Anything you can say to that?

[Alex Baskin]

Well, we're figuring out exactly what we're doing. So, genuinely, we don't have a completely firm plan yet. We will very shortly. But I wouldn't say that Vicki getting her orange necessarily leads to Crystal's conclusion.

[Nick Vile]

Okay, I'm curious. I think there's a theme, whether it's. We saw it in Salt Lake with Monica Garcia. I think we've seen it a little bit in OC when it comes to Katy, but it seems like sometimes there seems to be a group of the cast that will say, I don't want to film with this person. And I imagine as producers, you really. You guys have.

[Mary]

It's.

[Nick Vile]

It's a needle you have to thread, so to speak, on. Well, hey, like, you know, if. If there's not a dynamic where they want to film, like, we don't have a show. But at the same time, we can't let our cast dictate who we're casting and kind of, like, run the show, so to speak. So is someone in your position when you're dealing with real cast drama, like, maybe outside the show, where they're, like, you know, trying to call their shot, so to speak, how do you deal with that?

[Alex Baskin]

Yeah, it's hard. I mean, it's case by case. But you're right. We definitely don't want the cast to conspire to get rid of someone. And they've realized at this point that they're sort of savvy enough in 2026 not to say to us, I hate that person.

[Nick Vile]

Right.

[Alex Baskin]

Or they would do that if they didn't want someone cast on the show in earlier years. And they realize now that the most powerful thing they can try to do is just marginalize that person. And that doesn't work. At the same time, to your point, on the other side, we can't force them to engage with someone that they just don't really have a relationship with. So we have to figure it out. We don't like factions, you know, we don't like the group conspiring, and so we have to navigate through that. And it can be really challenging. And the other thing is you're doing that in real time and you just want this show to move forward. Right. And so as you're figuring all of that out, it isn't like you can stop down production. So you have to sort of COVID where you are, keep things pushing ahead, and then you want it to be as real as possible. So if they do have that issue with that person, you want it to be because it's a genuine conflict between them and not because they just don't want that person on the show piggybacking off of that.

[Sierra]

Because the end of last season, we had the Tamra supposedly talking to bloggers. A, like, how did you feel about that? And two, with these housewives that do have podcasts, it's kind of part of their job to talk to bloggers, but it seems to also be something that infuriates the other women. How do you handle that?

[Alex Baskin]

Yeah, so first of all, I'd like to say they are creators and not bloggers, because I will get in trouble for that. So, I mean, I think it's thorny, so I think it can be challenging. But I think there's a difference between talking to creators, talking to other people in the reality TV sphere, and. And giving away show information. So I think that's the issue. Or giving away personal information about someone or enlisting people who have followers to attack someone. I think that that becomes the challenge. But yeah, look, you know, a lot of the cast have podcasts, and obviously, in addition to whatever else it is they're talking about, there's a great interest in hearing from them, their thoughts on the show. There's a hell of a lot of self policing. So we get blown up all the time. Like, you wouldn't believe what Tamara said on her podcast. And there's this whatever. And so that becomes unfun to deal with, but really for us, as much as possible, we want to corral it into real relationships. So if the Housewives is about a group of friends, a group of friends is not constantly dealing with, you know, the coded messaging that they've done about each other, you know, on podcasts. And so if the whole show is about the show, we're just eating ourselves. And that isn't interesting. At the same time, you can't ignore it. And so I believe, like we've discussed in Breaking the Fourth Wall, when I think that you have to to tell the story, but I think you have to be careful. And there's definitely an audience reaction. You know, the feeling was mixed about how much we broke the fourth wall this past season on Orange county, you know, and there were strong feelings both sides. We just felt like to some extent, we had to in order to tell the story.

[Sierra]

And how do you deal with Tamara in the position that she's in? Cause it's like, do we have proof that she needs storylines?

[Alex Baskin]

And she swears to me that she didn't. And I've known Tamara for a very long time, and, you know, her contention is, like, I couldn't tell you. I don't even know who this person is who's saying this. And by the way, like, nothing did leave week. So not only are these all sort of mundane facts where it's like, oh, so someone is claiming that I said that I went to lunch with Heather in Costa Mesa on March 12. Who gives a shit, by the way? I didn't do that. Is there any other proof? And the answer is no. But we felt like we had to include it because the group had these trust issues and it was what was on their minds. And we couldn't just stop the season with their concerns about Gretchen in Amsterdam because their thoughts on that shifted post Amsterdam, not just potentially about Gretchen and about evaluating what happened there, but also they had these concerns about Tamra. So we felt like we had to cover it.

[Mary]

Okay, I have a question. Kind of like going back to talking about Vicky and how Vicky is just a true original. And I wonder with. Cause obviously you're working on the new Vanderpump and going and casting younger reality TV stars. And I always am thinking about if that true original aspect is harder to come across now just with the Internet and how easy people can create careers and how enticing that is to be on Bravo. And I wonder what your experience has been like finding new talent in that way with that context.

[Alex Baskin]

It's a really great question. And I kind of want to talk about the cast construct of the new Vanderpump in a minute because I think there's some misconceptions. But in general, it is hard because now being famous is actually a career path and it is the ends and not just sort of the means. And I think, for example, if you're looking to put together a group of. Of young people, inevitably you're going to find people that already are on social and have something of a. Of a profile. So I think that's true. On the other hand, what I would say is not completely different. Is 20 years ago, you know, sort of at the beginnings of Orange county, same thing in putting together a reality cast, Right. It was people who were signing up to do a reality show who still had, like, some notion of what being on a show would do for them. So as much as it's changed and it's now an industry and, you know, there's the oft cited statistics of young people wanting more than anything to be famous because, again, they associate that with a career, you know. And so I would say it's changed just in the sense that we try to filter out who is just doing a show to be famous and who is actually a really a real interesting, authentic person who just also happens to have a big social presence. And I think on Vanderpump, what I would say we've been a little bit sort of misidentified as a cast in that regard is it was a real group of people that worked there. We did add in some of their friends and some other people because the restaurant also could accommodate that. But the foundation of it is a real group of people. Now within that, are there people who, you know, would like to be famous or were thinking that by working at SUR they would be discovered? Sure. But by the way, you could say the same thing about the original group. You know, the difference was they just wanted to be actors or models or whatever else. And here, these are people that, again, want the currency of a big following, because now that's what being a celebrity means.

[Nick Vile]

Do you have a favorite in terms of the new cast of vpr? Of, like, someone that you feel like is, like, you know, like, who's your Jax or who's your Stassi?

[Sierra]

Your breakout stars?

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. You know, people that we should be looking out for.

[Alex Baskin]

Well, what I like is that I keep hearing different people have different viewers, have different favorites. So that's what I feel really good about. And so there's a few that I think that, you know, just sort of take to being on a show really naturally and I think are, you know, again, have sort of personality types and personal stories that you haven't seen before and are very comfortable sharing them. And then there's others that are a slower burn because being on a show is not necessarily a natural thing, and it takes a little bit to get acclimated. But I like the fact that I was at a dinner last night and with two people who have different points of view on their favorites. So I think that that's a really positive sign for us And I think that we're really starting to grow, obviously, very big shoes to fill. And we knew when we made the announcement in the first place that we were going to bring the show back, but with a new group. We knew that there would be groans, you know, and skepticism. And the other thing is, we had to announce that in tandem with not bringing back the other cast. So it wasn't like we could. This. This is like, you know, untitled West Hollywood Project. And so we knew that, and we knew that the audience would have to fall in love. Some people won't. But it does make me laugh, too, that there's a lot of bellyaching from people who didn't even love the final season of Vanderpump Rules at the original group, you know, and have forgotten that. Right. And at that point, we're saying, you know, the show has strayed so far from what it was, and you have a group that isn't really friends anymore, and what is this that I'm watching? And so that's the. That's the hurdle that we have to clear. And we're aware of that.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. And like you said, it is just a hurdle. And we experience here when we watch it. Right. And we talk a little bit about it. And to your point, it is. It's Vanderpump Rules. Right. And we went from season 11 to season 12. And I think for me, at least, and I'll just speak for myself, it's just like you're trying to figure out why you should care about these people. Right. Because we left it being so invested in Tom and Tom and Ariana, you know, in this entire cast. And I think that's, you know, for a lot of people, it's just like trying to find the thing that you connect with the show.

[Alex Baskin]

Yeah. And that's. Right. And that's a challenge. And we knew that that wouldn't happen overnight.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Sure.

[Alex Baskin]

And it's really hard to get invested in any new show. I think the fact that it's Vanderpump Rules is its greatest attribute and is a driver of viewership. And I also think is something in some ways to overcome, because I think if this were a different show, I think people might assess it differently, and I think they might not hold the legacy of the first 11 season reasons against it. On the other hand, it's an iconic show, and obviously, interest is fueled by the fact that it falls under that banner. But, yes, we need to give people something to sink their teeth and do something to invest in, and I think they will get There. I really believe in this group.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah, I got that impression from interviews I've heard you give and things like that, that you really believe in this show and you're advocating for people to. To give it the chance it deserves and see it through, and that there should be a payoff if we do that.

[Alex Baskin]

It just gets stronger. So it really is. Launching what is effectively a new series is really tough in the first place, and there's a lot of ground to govern. It's not that the show itself is complicated. It's a show about a bunch of people that work at Lisa's restaurant and sort of their interconnected personal lives. But there's a lot of work that we have to do up front, and it's also them getting acclimated to being on a show. And as we start to get into the middle of the season, which we're in right now, I just think it's classic Vanderpump rules, and I think it's just really chaotic in a fun way through the end of the season. So I feel really good about how we can grow it from here.

[Nick Vile]

We're excited to see more of it. Shifting gears a little bit to Beverly Hills, I'm really enjoying Amanda, and for me, watching Beverly Hills, I love the franchise mostly because, like, it's Beverly Hills. It's iconic. It's just. There's something about watching it just kind of like. It's almost like a travel show in a way. Even though I live in la, you know, you. It just kind of. There's a nostalgia there. I think some people, like fans, like myself, have been frustrated where it just. It's. Sometimes the pacing feels a little bit slow because it feel like, you know, you're dealing with some legacy housewives. And I think it's. You know, to me, it would be. I empathize with, like, it would be hard. How do you come up with. How do you give Even more than they already have? And I feel like Amanda seems like a really fresh cast member who's.

[Mary]

Who.

[Nick Vile]

Who seems to be willing to, like, make a bit of a mess. Like, I loved bo. I love bows for. You know, everyone loves bows. Bose is classy. Bose is like this kind of like someone you really aspire to be. And not that I don't aspire to be Amanda or anything like that, but she seem. She comes on the screen and I'm like, she seems messy, and I'm really excited to see more of her.

[Alex Baskin]

I think she brings to your point a needed element of unpredictability and So I think she throws everything else, everyone else off, and we felt like we needed that headed into this season. So I couldn't be more excited to have Rachel on the show. I think Rachel is a godsend. I love getting to know her, and I think she's so additive to the cast, and I think that she brings a lot, and she fits in in the best way. Rachel isn't messy. She's not who she is. And we felt like we needed to mix it up a little bit, and we obviously tried to do that in a way that makes sense, like it isn't a plant. And we just found Amanda really interesting and knew that she would just throw everyone off. And so I think that's what you're seeing. And she certainly provokes a reaction from the other women without even trying to do it, which is, you know, the best. Yeah, kind of works for us.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. How would you describe this season of Beverly Hills Housewives as it gets into the season?

[Alex Baskin]

I think it's fun. I think it's almost like a few seasons mixed into one. So I think to the earlier conversation we were having, we don't fixate on any one thing for too long. So it isn't like we're living in Kyle v. Dorit over PK for episodes @ a time, which can sometimes be, you know, a criticism of that and other shows. The trips are great. Obviously, there's Sedona, but then there's also a great trip to Italy at the end of the season, which is, I mean, to me is like, you know, sort of in the list of classic Housewives trips. And it's spectacular. And the women are dressed to the nines, and, like, they really get into it with each other. Dorit just does not give a shit this.

[Nick Vile]

Season. Love.

[Alex Baskin]

That. And I can tell you that that is right until the very end of the season and still going. So I think that is really fun. And so I hear the criticism of BH that the women run at a different speed. And sometimes I think the audience feedback is they're not sharing everything, but I think it's also a different group. And so it isn't like we produce them any differently than we do anyone else. That's who they are. And, you know, Kyle's feeling is, I've shared everything I possibly can. I've shared everything that I'm comfortable with sharing. The audience knows what's happening in my life, and, like, what are we talking about here? You know, that's sort of her. What have I not given to the.

[Sierra]

Show? You Know, speaking of Kyle, there's headlines that her and Mauricio were looking a little cozy over New Year's Eve. When you get headlines like that while you're not filming, like, is there, like, a call that happens or like. Like, because you're not rolling right.

[Alex Baskin]

Now. Yeah, yeah. I mean, we keep up with everyone all of the time anyway, and so we're sort of not caught off guard. I take those kinds of headlines, you know, with a grain of salt, because I just know they were to ran into Mauricio last night. Like, they were just together as a.

[Nick Vile]

Family.

[Alex Baskin]

Yeah. You know, and so I sort of. I mean, I didn't even call about that one. I didn't even ask Mauricio about it last night when I saw him. But otherwise, when there are bigger headlines, we certainly are aware of it. And most of the time, we're aware of what's going on before it's a.

[Nick Vile]

Headline. Yeah, I mean, I just take it as. And we talked about it in the last episode. I honestly have. You know, it's sad to see a marriage network out, but I honestly have a ton of respect for those two. The respect they have for each other is so obvious and so clear. And to be able to maintain their family is a beautiful thing because you often see families really torn apart with separation and divorce. And I have a lot of admiration for both of them for able to, you know, not let their own bullshit, not to call it bull, you know, but like, affect the rest of their family. And I honestly, I think it's really incredible the way they do.

[Alex Baskin]

That. I agree. I think that they've navigated their split with the same respect and love that characterize their marriage. And I think it's a great model, if you could achieve.

[Nick Vile]

It. General. And I just thought of when you mentioned Dorit. Fans have noticed throughout all the franchises that there are more and more single housewives. You had Sutton. Sutton, a couple seasons ago, went on a date. I personally, and I think I've seen other fans say as much. I would love to see some of these single women go out and date and see them in the wild. I imagine that's something you would be open to, too. But then I think, is it a problem of finding the men to be willing to say yes to coming on the show and doing that to make it authentic to show their dating lives? Because I would love to see more of these women date and get out there and bring that part of their life onto the.

[Alex Baskin]

Show. Yeah, we would, too, because we want to cover what's really happening in their lives. And so if that's something that is important to them and if they're going on dates or if they're starting relationships, it would be interesting to see. I think to your point, the challenge can be that we need the okay from the other side. So we sort of try to get that. And we don't want to do the classic reality show set up dates where you're just finding someone who will sign an appearance release. Right. So you want to see who they really are spending time with in their lives. And I agree, it's just a progression in where they are in their lives. I also wouldn't mind seeing some significant relationships and some husbands again on the show. Amanda is married, but it isn't like there's some choice on our part to veer the show towards, you know, women who are recovering from the demise of a long term marriage. Like, we like seeing families on the.

[Nick Vile]

Channel. Yeah, yeah.

[Mary]

Absolutely. MJ kind of implied that Heather Dubrow is leaving OC and then Heather soon after kind of also teased that she might be going to Beverly Hills with the diamond emoji. Can you confirm or deny any of.

[Alex Baskin]

That? I mean, it's not rooted in anything. So I wrote back, I commented on Terry's post about diamonds and he wrote, diamonds are forever. And I wrote, and oranges are nutritious and delicious. So there's like, there's nothing.

[Mary]

There.

[Nick Vile]

Okay.

[Mary]

Okay. Do you think Heather wants to be on Beverly Hills or do you think she really likes being.

[Alex Baskin]

On? There was a time where I think she was desirous of that because she was moving to la. And so I think, among other things, not only would it make sense geographically, but also, you know, but she likes being on the shows. And so I think there was the concern, would it make sense for her to continue on Orange county now? I think she appreciates where she is, you know, and she's very much stitched into that group. And I think lie detector test notwithstanding, you know, it isn't like it hasn't crossed her mind, but like, she's not, you know, like pining away for it. I think she's, I think she's, you know, plenty happy where she.

[Mary]

Is. She doesn't mind a long.

[Alex Baskin]

Commute? No, she's used to.

[Mary]

It. She's.

[Nick Vile]

Cool. She's got a lot of houses, I'm pretty.

[Alex Baskin]

Sure. Yeah.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. Before we let you go, Alex, and again, we appreciate you taking the time. It's always fun to catch up with you and get all this insight. But I'd be remiss if we didn't discuss the Valley briefly. Obviously, Jax Taylor is no longer a part of the show. We think we have Tom Schwartz, which I'm pretty excited about on the show. Do you feel like Jax's absence from the show will allow the show to be a little brighter and less dark, as some of the fans have criticized the show being? And what is your hope for the Valley going.

[Alex Baskin]

Forward? Tonally, the show is completely different this season. So I have seen the cuts of the first five episodes and I can tell you that the vibe has radically changed. The cast is in a completely different place. There isn't sort of the overhang of Jax. Obviously adding Schwartz and adding Lala to the show is very consequential. You know, there's more cast elsewhere. So we see Jesse's girlfriend Lacy, who's a great addition to the show and it's really just a lot of fun. And if anything, that's a really crowded show. That show has like a thousand cast members, so there's just, there's more space. Jack's is a really compelling character study, so there's no question that he makes for interesting television. Last year we were covering Darkness and so we talked about this, but I've done other interviews as well where whenever the question came up, do you think the show has gotten too dark? It's like, I'm not really sure where we should have pointed our cameras other than what was happening in everyone's lives. And it just happened to be a really tough time. And I think we've made our way through it and the show feels more like it did in its first season, but at the same time different and evolved and it's very dramatic and so much happens in that show over such a short period of time. Like it is. It's.

[Nick Vile]

Whiplash. We're excited to see Lala and Tom. I'm curious, I don't know if you can comment, but were there other cast members of Vanderpump who were hoping to be a part of this cast but were decided not to be added? Or is there anything, you know, like. Yeah.

[Alex Baskin]

Yeah. I mean, I think obviously the sort of conversations with Sheena were public, but I think, you know, we value everyone who was on Vanderpump rules and there's obviously a connection to the Valley, but the Valley is a really full up show and it wasn't like there was a plan when Vanderpump was concluding that we were just going to have everyone fill out a job transfer form and move over. So I think things are possible going forward. We'll see. But we felt like, to your point, that as much as Jax's absence was a blow in some ways because Jax drives a lot of story, it opened up more room for others at the same time. And we already did have a few cast members joining, so we felt like we landed where we.

[Nick Vile]

Wanted. Alex, thanks so much for taking the time. Please come back. It's always fun to have you on. I know you have your podcast hot mic for people to listen to. You have a lot of the people you work with on your show. Anything else you want to plug before we let you guys?

[Alex Baskin]

No. Always good to see you, fun to talk about the shows and excited to make a few more announcements soon. But for now please watch all of that. And Jeff Lewis once we once that is up and running as well. Super excited about that.

[Nick Vile]

One. Amazing. Well, if you want to make any announcements on the Vile Files, Alex, you, you are always.

[Alex Baskin]

Welcome. I will give you a.

[Nick Vile]

Shout. All right. Thanks.

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[Nick Vile]

Order. All right, well, up next we have Roslyn Yellen from Members Only Palm beach to talk about the show that's streaming now on Netflix. But just a heads up, it's a bit of a trigger warning parts of Roslyn's story, but we wanted to give her the floor to share her story. So I wanted to give you gu up. And we also get into the rest of the the show and some of her cast members. But I know you guys are watching it. What do you think of the.

[Sierra]

Show? It's unlike anything I've ever seen.

[Mary]

Before. I mean, I always say that I have a middle aged woman that lives inside of me and to watch any of these shows of like Housewives, Mormon Wives or members only, to see different dynamics in different cities, like I'll never be a member of Palm beach anytime soon, but to like see them interact and like see, see what they wear, what they say to each other, like the etiquette, it's just very.

[Sierra]

Fascinating. It is very interesting seeing how different people live and then how different platforms show.

[Mary]

It.

[Sierra]

Yeah. Because like, as I said, I know that I could never make it in Utah based off of Salt Lake City Housewives and Our Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. I just don't have it in me. And I couldn't make it in Palm beach either because, my God, also.

[Mary]

Netflix doesn't have like a show kind of like this as far as I know yet. So this to me is like.

[Nick Vile]

It'S. Yeah, this seems like a new, new lane for them. But I'm, I'm excited they're entering.

[Mary]

It. I think my, my view on the show is that I. There was a period in my life where I lived in Sarasor, Florida, which is a very, like, affluent area. My dad was the pastor of this church on St. Arman Circle, which is a very touristy, very rich area. And a lot of the people in that church were Sarasota. Still, Palm beach is insane. Money, money, money. Like, I, I've, I've been to West Palm beach and so to watch this show is this weird thing for me because I grew up with old people who had a lot of money in Florida and would come here for seasons in the season aspect. And it's so like, specific. Like I feel my stomach churns when I watch this show. But it's so Engaging. And it's so.

Like. Because you know these.

People. Yeah, I know these women. I knew these women.

[Nick Vile]

Deeply. And I know it really sounds like a whole new world. As you guys know, we are an apolitical show. Obviously, this show referenced some names that I'm sure some people find jarring. Mary, question for you. I imagine that your politics don't line up with some of the.

[Mary]

People.

[Nick Vile]

No. On the show. That being said, the parties seem fun. So if you ever got invited one of these parties, would you come? Would you.

[Mary]

Go? It depends on the club in which they're talking about. I don't think they would let me into ones of those based off of who I am as a.

[Nick Vile]

Person. Well, let's just assume you got.

[Mary]

Invited. Let's assume this haircut is taken as Meg Ryan face.

[Nick Vile]

Value. There you.

[Mary]

Go. I walk in. Oh, I. You think I can't charm these people? Nick, I know you.

[Nick Vile]

Can. I. Would you go? I'm. I don't doubt you can get an invite. I'm just saying if we could score an invite for the household. I think we should.

[Mary]

Go. That's a work event. I mean, I'm kind.

Of. I already said I'm going.

[Nick Vile]

Okay. All.

[Mary]

Right. Am I going as Mary from the Vial files or.

[Nick Vile]

Mary. Whoever you want to go. Whoever you want to go. All right, well, up next, Roslyn Yellen joins us. And again, bit of a trigger warning to begin, but it starts a little dark, but very inspirational at the end, and we appreciate Roslyn taking the time, and she's up next. Rosalind, welcome to the.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Show. Hi. Thanks for having.

[Nick Vile]

Me. We are excited to have you. First of all, we've been enjoying this Members only Palm Beach. It is a banana show. I don't know if people really knew what to expect. Obviously, Florida in general has a lot of lore to it, and certainly the people down in Palm beach for a variety of reasons, and we don't have to get into all of them, but certainly just the wealth that we see presented on the show is really quite something. You know, as we are all Housewives fans, I'm not sure if. If you are. It was. It was certainly nice to see our queen, Teresa Giudice make an appearance on the show. But, you know, that show started with really being a lot of, like, wealthy, successful people. And that's, you know, has remained the case in some areas of Housewives, but in other areas, they've, you know, casted more kind of not super rich. But when with this. This group of women, you all seem like.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Loaded. I think everyone is well off. Everyone has done well for themselves. So.

[Nick Vile]

Yeah. I am curious, though, as someone who seems to have it all, certainly in the financial department, I'm curious for you, what excites you or even makes you interested in doing a show like this, where things can get messy and you can have peers and friends talk about you in such a personal way, like the way Hillary did, and then kind of bringing that drama into your life? I guess I'm just curious, what makes you want to.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Do. That's a great question. I wanted to do it. I kind of always loved watching the Housewives. I didn't watch all of them, though, but I watched Beverly Hills. Certain ones I did watch and I thought it would be a lot of fun. And I was a full time mother. I did teach dance fitness, but I just thought that this would be my time, something that I could do, something for me that I could have fun with. It was my decision to do it, not anybody else's, and I thought it would be wonderful and great. I never thought that I would experience the wrath from somebody like Hillary because you asked about that. I never thought that I would be filming with somebody who would be so mean and who would say such terrible things in the chair. Every time she was in the chair, something negative about me. So that was really surprising for me. I thought that everyone wanted to do the show for the same reasons I did. And I really went into it thinking we were just gonna have a lot of fun. And some of it was like a joke, you know, it was fun, but it was just kitschy and like a playoff of Palm Royale mixed with Housewives. That's how I looked at.

[Nick Vile]

It. Well, it seems like the theme of the show is that, like, money isn't enough. Like we talked about before, you're all well off. And so it is a fascinating element to, like, for the people who seemingly have it all, what are the things that motivate them? And, you know, how do people in your peer group find ways to compete when you're all so well.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Off? Well, I don't like to compete with anybody, okay. Because I'm very, very, very happy with myself and where I am. And I. I am just happy with my life. And once we talk about my life and my journey, you'll see why I'm so happy. And I feel really blessed and grateful for where I am today. But what I love to do is the charity work. And you only see a very small part of it on the show because we could not film in Any private clubs. We couldn't film where I actually hold my charity events or where I'm the chairwoman for events for different charities. So we tried to show it without filming in the clubs. But for me, that's a wonderful way to just differentiate myself from people, because to me, that's just, like, the epitome of society, and I love.

[Nick Vile]

That. Well, speaking of your story and speaking of Hillary, Hillary recently shared a very personal piece of your life story publicly on another show without your permission. And I was just curious. I'm assuming there are parts of that version of the story that you didn't agree with that maybe were hard for you to hear and that you just quite frankly, found hurtful. So, really, I just wanted to kind of give you the floor and kind of just share what it was that Hillary shared about you and maybe set the record.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Straight. Okay, so when Hillary went on the podcast, she said things to paint me in a negative light. She did try to do that the entire show also. She painted me in a very negative light, and she talked about my children on this podcast, my husband and my upbringing. All very personal stories from my life that she doesn't know, and they are, quite frankly, not hers to tell. That's my story. And she tried to make it sound like some deep, dark secret that would ruin me, but it's not a deep, dark secret. It's just very private, and I want to tell my story. So thank you so much for giving me the opportunity. I really appreciate it. And it's been a journey, and I'm hoping by telling my story that I could help other women and kids who are going through similar situations. And I want them to know that there's hope and that there is a light at the end of the tunnel, and they can be strong and they can get through it. And so by sharing this today, I'm hoping that I can touch a lot of people's lives with total honesty and truth and things that are very, very hard to talk about. Hillary said that I was married before and that my two oldest daughters are not Jonathan's children. I've been with Jonathan for 31 years, and all five children were raised by Jonathan. And so what she said is only partly true. The bottom line is that Jonathan and I have five children. He is the only father that they have ever known. Hillary has no idea how I grew up. She just has no idea what she's talking about and how much trauma that I lived through to get to where I am. She said that I was married before, and it's such a complicated issue, and I will get to it today. So I'm ready to tell my story if you're ready to hear.

[Nick Vile]

It. Okay. Well, as far. I mean, in terms of the relationship she was referring to, you mentioned, obviously, it seems like there's some difficult aspects of this story. I mean, I just want to give you the floor and just talk about again, just set the record straight and what really is the truth and. And why has it been a difficult journey for.

[Roslyn Yellen]

You? Okay. So my story begins in Margate, New Jersey. I was born and raised in Margate. My mother, she was an immigrant. She was five when she came to this country. She married my dad, and he was the son of immigrants from Italy. My mom's from Germany. They were both very different. My father was very, very abusive. I suffered abuse from the time I was a baby, six months old, when he pulled my shoulder out of my socket. And growing up, I had multiple broken bones. I was whipped with the belt. And it was. I suffered a lot of abuse physically, mentally, and other abuse that I'm not ready to talk about. So it culminated in my father. My father, he took a butcher knife and he had it in the kitchen. And my mother was screaming and crying for him not to hurt her. So I called the police and they took him away. My mother was afraid for my own safety, so she sent me away. She sent me to Israel. I went to school. I was 15. I did not have any family there. This was in the 80s. Didn't have any cell phones, didn't have a computer. I was just a teenager. I was on my own. But I was in school, in a boarding school, and I met a guy and my mother flew over. And I was very young. I was only 17 and I was still in high school. This is something I don't talk about. Only people who are very close to me or family know that. So this is first time I'm saying this. She signed a consent, and I was married in a religious ceremony as a child. Really, it should be.

[Mary]

Illegal.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Yeah. So I really was a child Bride. I was 17, but still I was abandoned. I felt abandoned by my mother. She couldn't take care of me or wouldn't. She had to take care of herself. My mother did meet a wonderful man later, and she got married to a wonderful, wonderful man and lived in Philadelphia until she died in 2004 from ovarian cancer. Remember, I'm 17 and don't have any family there. Don't know anybody. I was just too young, simply. And I didn't have any resources or even a high school diploma to take care of myself. I don't know if you can imagine that in a foreign.

[Nick Vile]

Country. No, it sounds.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Terrifying. Yes. I do not have family there. I want to stress that. And I did not know the language. And I was. I say signed away, but she signed consent. And I was married in a religious. They have a separate thing there. It's called rebenute. I was never married in the United States to him. Never. But I was too young, and I did not consent.

[Sierra]

Myself. It wasn't your.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Choice. No, no. But I hadn't. I had no choice because I was alone and there was really nothing else I could do. I didn't have a skill. Like I said, I did finish high school, but I was married. I was isolated and married. And then I had two daughters when I was like 20. I just said, I'm not going to stay in this marriage. This is not what I want. I want so much more for myself. And I dreamt of love and passion. I would watch television and watch people make out. And I just remember this. Like, I wanted to make out like in the movies. I thought I deserved that. I wanted passion and I left. It wasn't easy. That's a whole nother story. But that was not easy. I had one seat on an airplane with two babies, and I came back. I came to Philadelphia. I lived in a studio with the two girls. And I told my mom, I'm not going back. She really wanted me to go. I said, I'm not. And I was so, so lucky. And I was fixed up on a blind date with my.

[Nick Vile]

Husband. Oh.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Really? And with Jonathan. And, yeah, I was fixed up on a blind date. And I had two babies. And our first date, we went out to dinner, but we had an instant connection. And we kissed, and it was just like I always dreamed of. And when we came home, I actually had to come back and nurse my daughter because she was a baby. She was an infant. Jonathan and I were together ever since. He raised my daughters as his own. We had three more children. David gave up his parental rights from across the sea. Jonathan and I had three more children, and he raised them. He's the only father they've all ever known. My daughters while they were 11 months old and 2 years old. And to respect my daughter's wishes, when they were growing up and they were in school, they were legally yelling. That was their legal name, last name. They did not want kids to differentiate between them and their siblings. And they didn't want to talk about Anything they didn't want to talk about or people to say they were adopted or different. And so it's something that we just kept deeply private. And the only people that knew were very, very close friends or family. My husband wanted to talk about this in the past, but I was never ready to. But Hillary going on a podcast and talking about this, I just said, I'm going to find the strength and just tell my story and not have any more and anything else that anyone can say about me and just own my life and my truth. And this is what happened. And I live. And I live my life the way I do because I want to help people. So everything that I do, I do help trafficked women and their children with a place of hope here in Florida. Everything I do is just very deeply personal to me and means a lot. And I do want to say shame on Hillary and shame on her for turning my life story into something negative and always talking bad about me and trying to out me when she knows nothing about.

[Nick Vile]

Me. Well, thank you for opening up and telling that very obviously personal story. But from my point of view, inspirational story, obviously, the beginning is very dark and such a tragedy of what happened to you. But, you know, it is a shame that Hillary chose to weaponize this story against you, because there, there are a lot of families where young people might, you know, get into a relationship, have a child. It's a bad situation, but they. Then they do find love in a good situation with someone else, and that person takes, you know, those kids and raise them as their own, and they have the same last name. And you're right. And I have no doubt to your kids, it's, you know, I imagine they're like, you know, how many, you know, who's in your family? And they're like, oh, I have four siblings. I imagine your kids, they're not like, oh, well, I have two siblings and I have two half siblings. To your family, we're all just one family. And it's a, you know, the second part of your story is such a beautiful story, and, and obviously, you turn your life around in such a magnificent way from where it began. And it really is a shame that Hillary chose to paint that in such a dark way and frame it as, I think, as if, like, she was going to ruin you, as she said. Why do you think that she thought that this story would ruin you when, again, all you did was save yourself and your kids from a bad.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Situation? Because I always tell people that Jonathan and I have five children together because those are his children. He raised all five children as his own, and we do not differentiate between them. And that is my truth. That is our truth. That is my daughter's truth. That is all of my children's truth. Maddie and Maya, they call him dad, that we are a family. And when I meet people, my husband Jonathan has raised those children as he has raised Molly, William, and Kyle the exact same way. And we have five children, and we've been together since I'm 21 years old. And that is our truth. Without me going back and telling people what happened to me when I was a minor. So I don't feel the need to talk about being a child bride, which is a terrible thing, and something that alone is bad enough, but also the abuse and why I was sent away and the abandonment. So there's a lot. There's a lot.

[Nick Vile]

There. Yeah. Have you confronted Hillary about what she said and have you spoken to her.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Personally? So, no, I haven't, because I just heard this two days ago on the podcast when I saw Hillary at the premier party, she came over to me and she said, let's bury the hatchet. Let's start new. I don't want this Rosalind Hillary rivalry. And I was so happy about that. I was like, okay, great, yes, let's do that. And then one week later, this, you know, boom. So now I know I can't trust her. And I've never met people like this until I moved to the Palm beach area. There's people here. They're just so mean and so evil and so wicked. Okay, I don't want to say that about all of Palm beach, because Palm beach is a beautiful, beautiful place, and it has a charitable heart, and there's many wonderful people. But I've also met people who are just so evil and. And so mean that you can't believe. So it's. It's been, like, the best and the worst. But, yeah, she hasn't talked to me about.

[Sierra]

It. Why do you think Hillary is so mean to you? Is it because your competition? I know that you rose up in ranks quicker, I guess, than she did, but, like, what is the actual thing between the two of you? Because you guys actually are pretty friendly when you're. When you see each.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Other. Yes, that's why. So when I watched the show, I realized that rivalry was so strong, I did not talk about her nearly as many times as she talked about me in the chair. And I didn't know that it was going to be really Roslyn against Hillary. I had no idea that it was going to be that intense. I never thought about it like that because we're so different. Hillary is really not in the charity world at all. Hillary is in her real estate world. We, we don't overlap in that sense. So I never thought there was a competition there. So only Hillary knows why she acts like she acts in my day to day life. I do not talk about Hillary. I don't think about Hillary. She's not a threat to me. In my mind. I'm not threatened by Hillary's presence. So I don't know why she feels the need to constantly come at me and to paint a negative picture of me to people. And she wants people to. Oh, another thing she said in the chair that she said I'm a phony and a fraud. Not true at all. At all. My husband and I have built a beautiful, beautiful life.

[Nick Vile]

Together. What does he think you're a phony and a fraud.

[Roslyn Yellen]

About? I don't know. But we live in our home. We raised five children. We sent them all to college. We made a beautiful life together. I'm very involved in charities. I donate not only money, but my time. I paid money to join the clubs on my own. Right. I'm not a guest of anybody, so. And I pay for my own life. So I don't know why, why she says that about me. It's just an awful vague thing to say about somebody to paint a negative picture. I don't know why she says it. She also said that Rosalind never worked in her life and she lacks substance. That's something she also said in the chair and raising five children. Five children. We had five children under the age of seven. You have a newborn. You know how much work it is. I think that being a mother is the most important job in the world. And I did work, I worked very hard to raise wonderful children. It was my goal to raise kids in a loving, safe environment. The opposite of how I was raised. And I did everything I could in my power to give my children a normal life and to spare them everything that I went.

[Nick Vile]

Through. Do you know if Hillary has any idea of the real full story other than, like, because, like, she was just like, oh, she has, has kids from another marriage or. And she's been married before. But do you, do you think she's gonna be caught off guard by hearing your.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Truth? Yes, because there's no way she would know this. There is no way she would know my.

[Nick Vile]

Story. If Hillary were to call you, let's say tomorrow, and let's say she hears this interview, and let's say she calls you up and apologize, apologizes to you and says, hey, I overstepped. I'm so sorry. I didn't realize. Would you accept her.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Apology? Yes, I would, but I have a feeling that's not what she would do. I have a feeling she's going to say something negative about me and try to turn my life into something not nice and negative, because she always does that no matter what I do. So if she did do that, I would be very surprised. Very, very surprised. I mean, it would mean a lot to me, but I don't think it would.

[Sierra]

Happen. You and Hillary ended the season in a pretty okay place. So did something happen in between the end of filming to.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Airing? No, nothing happened. But you can see in episode eight where we embraced and we said, okay, let's start new. And then when she thought the cameras were up, she said, luke, I'm going to take them out. Or whatever she said. I don't remember exactly, or if she said something to Luke and then she said something to Sue Bell. But whatever it was, when I watch it, I was like, oh, my God, that's so evil. It ended on such an evil note from.

[Mary]

Her. I have a question about what she said, because she specifically said that she knows of a blacklist in Palm beach and she knows how to add people to it. And I was curious because you talked about the social dynamics of people being mean, some people being mean in Palm Beach. Do you know of this blacklist? Are you afraid of it? Do you think Hillary was threatening the other women? Like, what do you think were her intentions of referencing.

[Roslyn Yellen]

It? I think her intentions are threatening people with that. And yes, it actually can happen, but there's not one blacklist. So while she may be in a certain group of people and she could do that with those people, there's many other people. There's many groups. So somebody doesn't have to be worried about that. I mean, there's many other groups of people who are very welcoming and like, come on over. Come right.

[Nick Vile]

Here. Because it's like a. It's like a mom group chat.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Right? And it's Mean girls. It's Mean girls. So, yeah, it was very. Oh, my God.

[Nick Vile]

Evil. Well, Rosalind, I want to thank you for sharing your story and specifically responding to the comments that Hillary made. I want to, if it's okay with you, to move off from Hillary a second and ask you some other questions about the show. And the rest of the women is Gayle Brophy, who she says she is.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Yes. Yes. Gayle Brophy is who she says she is. She's had an extraordinary life. She's older now, so I like to give her the grace and the respect for her age and stature. And I know the show leaned into our love affair a little bit, but you have to understand that she's like a mother figure to me, and she looks at me like a daughter. Two things that we both don't have. But Gail is who she says she is. But I will be sure not to lean into that next season if we get.

[Nick Vile]

One. Can we talk about the no boobs, no knees.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Rule? Yes, I would love to. I would love to clear that up. Let's do it. Let's do.

[Nick Vile]

It. Can you. For anyone who maybe didn't yet watch the show, and you know, I watched the show and I was still a little confused, but it appears to be, like a dress code you women have at some of these high class events you guys participate in. But it also seems kind of hard to.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Follow.

[Nick Vile]

Correct. Where did this no boobs, no knees rule come from? And, yeah, I'm just. Could you tell us more about it? It's.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Fascinating. Yes, I would love to. So when I came here six years ago, an older socialite who dressed quite beautifully, she said to me, because, remember, I came here from Pennsylvania, Bucks county, and whatever I wore, maybe it was a little risque, but we actually joined a club, so we paid a membership and we were members. And she said, darling, don't show your boobs and your knees. I understood what she was saying. It's not literal. She's just trying to tell me. She was trying to tell me, just dress a little more modest in certain situations. So it's kind of like when you start driving and you're taking driving lessons, and he says, hold the steering wheel like this. You know, you're holding it like this. But now you're driving better. And you hold one hand. You know, maybe you hold it down here. You hold it here, here. So once you get it, you understand the nuances. So it's not a strict rule, but I was hoping by sharing it with Romina that she would just kind of understand it like I did. Oh, okay. If you're in a private club or you're at a charity event, maybe just dress a little more modest. And if you're unsure, just think, okay, maybe I shouldn't show my boobs and my knees. And usually it's just for like a daytime charity event luncheon. So that's, you know, just dress a little more modest. In certain situations, you don't want to be promiscuous, especially at a charity event and a members only.

[Nick Vile]

Club. Well, I mean, you know, just because you take your shirt off doesn't mean you're a hoe. You know what I'm saying? You know, like, I take my shirt off all the.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Time.

[Nick Vile]

Right. Is it like one or the other? You can go knees or boobs. You just can't do.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Both. Totally. Yes. Yes. But at night, it doesn't matter, really, in the evening, just because most of the gowns do have a high slit and a low thing, but as long as it's long, you're.

[Nick Vile]

Good. Okay. Who on the cast, did you enjoy their company the.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Best? I enjoy Romina and Maria, both of their company the best. Well, you know, I love Gayle, but Gayle is not in the Five. The Five Girls. So other than Gail, I love Romina and.

[Nick Vile]

Maria. Okay. Is Romina the.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Singer? Yes, she is. And I brought her on the show because I know her from Bucks county, so she's, like, following in my footsteps, like coming here. But the only thing is, she hasn't joined a.

[Nick Vile]

Club. Her singing career, is that like a hobby, or is that something she is passionately following and taking.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Seriously? I'm. I think that she takes it seriously, but it's a hobby. And I think that she mostly sings in Russian. Mostly, but I'm not sure. So most. I think mostly Russian.

[Sierra]

Songs. You and Romina kind of had a bit of a miscommunication when it came to your friendship versus the mentorship. How are you guys today? Is she following in the footsteps and actually listening to you, or do you feel like she's kind of picking up what you're putting.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Down? We're very close. We're friends, and I'm not going to be that mentor because I don't enjoy that. And we love each other in our own way, and we're just not going to do that. So Romina's going to do what she wants. But, you know, another thing is, though, if you're coming to the club as my guest, then you just have to follow maybe what your hostess is asking you to follow. You know, because when I took her, it was with.

[Nick Vile]

Me. Other than the no boobs, no knees rule. Can you give us, like, a etiquette 101 on the rules of how to operate in Palm beach in the socialite groups that you partake.

[Roslyn Yellen]

In? I would say don't ask to be invited, but wait for the invite when you're invited, be a gracious guest. Look to your guest for guidance and maybe even ask your guest, oh, are you wearing a short dress? Are you wearing a long dress? And I would say to dress more modest, definitely. To maybe bring your hostess a gift. Try to get involved in a charity that you find, that you find worthy, I think, for etiquette 101. Also, also, it's nice to throw a party and to invite everybody back to.

[Nick Vile]

Reciprocate. Other than the no boobs no rule, is there like a weird one that you've heard that you like, you're like, I don't get why that's the way it.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Is. No, not really. You know, oh, you can't take pictures in most clubs. Some clubs, they even put like tape on your camera when you walk in. So you're not allowed to take pictures in private areas. You're not allowed to take pictures maybe with members in the background because it's private. So a lot of clubs have, like, no. They have signs that say no videography, no photography. They do want you to use an indoor voice. They don't want you like screaming inside. And some clubs in Palm Beach, I wouldn't even be able to be a member of today because they are still very old.

[Nick Vile]

Fashioned. Old fashioned in what.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Way? I believe that there's clubs that. Well, you know what? I really don't. I really don't know enough about it, but I think that they're just not very welcoming to.

[Nick Vile]

People. Understood. Do you guys have any more questions for.

[Sierra]

Roslyn? I just have one because I feel like there's a lot of societal rules of living in Palm Beach Beach. Do you have, like a place that you guys go to to, like, I don't know, let loose or like, not have any rules and just have fun or is like your entire life the society of Palm.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Beach? Most of my life is in Palm beach with the society rules, because I'm there. I'm in Palm beach every day and I'm involved in so many different charities and events, but I do have fun at the events. That is fun for me. I love.

[Sierra]

It. I know. I see you.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Dance. Yes, I dance at everything. And I'm always the first one on the dance floor and the last one. So I loved, love, love to dance. We do have fun, though, you know, we have fun. We love each other, by the way. We filmed for three months and it was boiled down to six hours. And the show only leaned into their storyline, what they wanted you to see. But we had loads of fun. We. We had dinners and we were silly and we were fun and we were outside, and sometimes we were loud and we had DJs and we were dancing. So we do have a lot of fun, but you really didn't get the whole picture in six hours. There's so much more to see. That's why we need a Season.

[Nick Vile]

Two. It sounds like you're in if Netflix decides to bring it back, that despite this very difficult situation with Hillary and this violation of your privacy, you're still game to film with these women if you're asked.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Back? Yes, for sure. I had so much fun filming. I actually had so much fun. It was a wonderful experience. I learned a lot about myself, as you can see. I found my voice. I finally found my voice. It says Hillary. She keeps making me find my voice. And I have to tell you right now, I have never felt such a weight lifted off my chest as I do right now. You're the first people I told this.

[Nick Vile]

Story. Well, I'm very happy to hear that, and I really appreciate you giving us that opportunity to share your story. Could the household. Could we come to one of your parties.

[Sierra]

Someday? Nick Etiquette 101. You don't ask to be.

Invited. You.

[Nick Vile]

Wait. Fuck.

[Sierra]

Yeah. You broke the.

[Nick Vile]

Rule. I.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Did. He broke the first.

[Nick Vile]

Rule. I probably can't wear this, right? Like, I have to probably dress.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Up. Yes. There's a dress code. There's a dress code. So men. Yes.

[Nick Vile]

Men. I look great in a.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Suit. Oh, perfect. That's perfect. Wear a suit. And yes, a suit is perfect. No jeans. Jeans are never allowed. I haven't worn jeans, basically, in six.

[Nick Vile]

Years. I was gonna ask that. Yeah. You can't wear jeans, can you? I'm. I'm a. I'm a jeans and T shirt kind of guy.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Roslyn. I know, but you can wear jeans in Palm.

[Nick Vile]

Beach. What about.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Shorts? Shorts are allowed in the club if it's like golf attire, because many men go to the club for lunch after golf. Sandals. Yes. If you're wearing your shorts. Yes. You can also wear sneakers with your suit. My husband does. He loves sneakers. He has a fabulous sneaker collection, and he wears his sneakers with his suits to make it fun. You don't always have to have a tie. Sometimes you.

[Nick Vile]

Do. Easy on the feet, protect the knees, you know? Well, wink, wink, nod, nod. Rosalyn. I'm just saying, if they're throwing a party, I don't, you.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Know. Would you like to come? Would you like to come? Is that asking still for red, white, and.

[Nick Vile]

Vogue? Sure. What is.

[Roslyn Yellen]

It? It's a fabulous charity event. I'm the chairwoman for, like, 600 people. It's in the evening, and we are supporting veterans and the gray team. The gray team provides mental health services for veterans free of charge. And that's something that I'm very passionate about, is giving mental health, making sure mental health services are available for people who can't afford it, and especially our veterans. So Red, white and Vogue salutes our veterans. And it's going to be an amazing black tie gala. You can let me know if you can make.

[Nick Vile]

It. I need to dust off my wedding tuxedo anyways. I bought this Tom Ford tuxedo top, and I, you know, I've only been able to wear it once, and I was like, I need to get some roi out of this. Can you repeat outfits? Is that.

[Sierra]

Okay?

[Nick Vile]

No. For men. What? For men, you can't wear the same.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Tuxedo. No, men can. Yes, men can. So with women. Yeah, women, we try not to wear the same outfit in the same season, photographed twice, or we try not to wear the same gown in the same season. But men, you certainly.

[Nick Vile]

Could. Rosalind, anything else you wanted to share or get off your chest before we let you.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Go? No, I mean, it was just a wonderful experience. And Romina and I are great. We love Romina. Gail was a little hard on her, but also, Gayle is older, and I want you to understand maybe that she really hear her very well with Uzbekistan, Pakistan. Like, I hate to say it, but Gayle gave Romina a very sincere and heartfelt apology in episode eight, and she loves Romina. They text, they talk on the phone. So she really is lovely. And it didn't show her in the best light and out of respect. And also when Gayle was around, when it was me, Gayle, and Romina, I just couldn't get a word in edgewise. So after filming so many times and you didn't get to see it on the show, I would just kind of sit there and just let them go at it because I couldn't get a word in. Now that I have more found my voice, I feel that I'll do better with that in season.

[Nick Vile]

Two. All right, well, Rosalind, thank you again for taking the time. And thank you again for being so vulnerable and sharing this very personal story with.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Us.

[Nick Vile]

Us. The show is members only Palm Beach. It's streaming now on Netflix. And if you love reality TV and some messy ladies, rich messy ladies getting at it, you are going to love this show. So be sure to check it out. Rosin, again, thank you for taking the time and best of.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Luck. And you're both invited. You're both invited to Red, White and Vogue. And your wife.

[Nick Vile]

Also. Yeah, sorry she couldn't be here. She is down bad with the stomach flu right now. But I will let her.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Know. Yes, thank you. All right, bye, guys. And this was so nice. Thank you so.

[Nick Vile]

Much. All right, Roslyn, take care. All right.

[Roslyn Yellen]

Bye. Bye.

[Nick Vile]

Bye. All right, well, that will do it for us today. Thank you to our guests Roslyn and Alex Baskin. And thank you to you guys who listened. I'm probably gonna go throw up now. I'm gonna get the stomach flu, I'm sure shortly. Until then, I'm gonna take care of my wife and baby. I hope you all have a great week. We will see you next week. Don't forget to check out the Going Deeper episode with Austin Kroll of Southern Charm. It is an excellent interview and he was dynamic. He just texted me. He was getting a lot of feedback that I, I think overall he's happy with. He said other than the occasional Karen who told him to grow up, he was happy with the response. But it was a really fascinating interview. He really gets into the relationship with all the cast members, but specifically the boys, Shep and Craig, and you are not going to want to miss that for all you Southern Charm fans. Oh, really? You don't have to be a Southern Charm fan to enjoy.

[Mary]

It.

[Nick Vile]

It's. It's a dynamic interview. Other than that, we'll see you next time. Don't forget to check out Vile files plus Bye bye. Hey, guys. If you loved what you listen to, make sure you hit that subscribe button below. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next.

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