E1078 - The Valley w/ Golnesa "GG", Love Is Blind Premiere, Summer House, Below Deck & The Olympic Cheater

Summary

The Viall Files

Episode E1078: The Valley w/ Golnesa “GG”; Love Is Blind Premiere, Summer House, Below Deck & The Olympic Cheater

Release Date: February 12, 2026
Host: Nick Viall
Co-hosts: Natalie Joy, Mary, Leia, Household
Guests: Golnesa “GG” Gharachedaghi (“The Valley,” “Shahs of Sunset”)

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Episode Overview

This reality recap edition covers the latest happenings in the reality TV universe, focusing on a range of shows and headlines: “Love Is Blind” Season 10, “Summer House,” “Below Deck,” and the fast-rising Bravo hit “The Valley” with special guest Gigi. The group also weighs in on a viral Olympic cheating scandal that’s taken over international headlines. The episode is packed with candid commentary, behind-the-scenes insights, relationship analysis, and a deep-dive interview with Gigi, exploring both her personal life and the evolving world of Bravo relationships.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

I. Off-Air Catchups, Pregnancy & Parenting Bloopers

• Household updates: Natalie is pregnant with twins, Leia is home with the flu. Discussion revolves around parenting challenges while pregnant, sharing cute stories about their kids (e.g., funny things kids say like “icy cold”) [03:31].
• Pregnancy myths: They debunk (and joke about) cat litter and “smelling horse poop” myths related to pregnancy [04:31].
• Evening routines: Nick describes his nightly “belly oil” routine for Natalie, playful banter about who does the chores [05:36].

II. Reality & Pop Culture Headlines

The Olympic Cheater Scandal [10:40–17:25]

• Background: Norwegian biathlete (name omitted), fresh off an Olympic bronze medal, publicly confesses to cheating on his girlfriend—which happened within six months of dating.
• Key Quotes:
  • Leia [11:40]: “There’s someone I wanted to share this with who might not be watching… Six months ago, I met the love of my life… Three months ago, I made the biggest mistake and cheated on her.”
• Panel’s Take:
  • Reactions range from bemusement to eye-rolling; everyone sees this as over-sharing and not an effective apology.
  • Natalie [12:31]: “It is hard to forgive even after a declaration of love in front of the whole world.”
  • Nick [13:01]: “Maybe this is a lesson in, like, don’t share too much information when your adrenaline is at an all-time high.”
• Humor: They're aware of the meme potential—comparing this to the public “walk of shame” trend for cheating partners years ago.

Love Is Blind Season 10 Recap [21:07–32:48]

• General Impressions:
  • The new season is set in Ohio; immediate dislike for a contestant named Steven due to his attitude.
  • Emma, Mike, Victor (fan favorite), and Christina are discussed as promising or potentially boring reality stars.
• Production Changes:
  • Leia drops a production scoop: the first couple to get engaged is sent to Malibu, not Mexico, for a “celebration trip without cameras” [22:30].
  • Group is split—some love the “pods,” but others are “podded out.”
• Notable Quotes:
  • Nick [24:29]: “It’s so crazy that one of the greatest compliments and criticisms you can offer on reality TV is how unentertaining you are.”
  • Mary [25:16]: “He’s trying to open up about the scars, and he’s like, ‘What was your first kiss like? Mine was magical…’”
• Cultural Commentary:
  • Good-natured teasing about guys who brag about loving “The Notebook” or acting like “romantic heroes” from movies.
  • Discussion about AI in viral Ryan Gosling clips—healthy skepticism about what’s “real” online [28:15].

Summer House, Below Deck, The Valley – Relationship Dynamics

• Summer House: [32:48–41:56]
  • Amanda and Kyle’s marriage drama is front and center—their fights, sex life, Kyle blaming Amanda’s weed use, and his lack of accountability.
  • [36:11] Nick: “There was a key phrase in what Kyle said…The one time a week you show up and give her two fucking seconds of attention, she’s not ready to party.”
  • Mary [39:01]: “Calling your mom to beg her to come pick up after your wife is crazy work…Grow up.”
• Bravo Male Partners Analysis:
  • Discussion about lack of genuinely healthy male-female relationships represented on Bravo, compared to what is shown on “The Valley” [41:56].
  • Nick: “The men on Valley Persian Style seem like really solid dudes…It’s good to see some healthy masculinity on Bravo for once.”

Viral Breakups & Social Media [49:14–51:43]

• The group analyzes a Below Deck moment where someone breaks up “via Instagram caption”—hilarity and sympathy ensue.
• Leia reads out viral hashtags: “#goodbye #broken #I’llAlwaysLoveYou.”

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III. Special Interview: Golnesa “GG” Gharachedaghi [51:57–end]

Getting Personal: Life, Dating, and TV Return

GG’s Love Life & Dating Apps

• GG confides that she’s been “single as a Pringle” for over a year; not interested in random flings now [52:17].
• “I’m very sapiosexual, so it takes a lot of brain juice for me to get my juices flowing” — Gigi [52:49]
• The group discuss LA’s dating scene, frustrations with Raya (the exclusive dating app), and refer GG to The League for “business types” [55:19].
• Running joke: deleting a Raya account is as hard as “getting out of a gym membership” [54:28].

Returning to Bravo & “The Valley” Insights

• GG reflects on coming back to TV with a kid. She’s more self-aware, less impulsive, but her “anger issues” sometimes creep in [57:02].
• “It was sort of like a bicycle I fell off of a long time ago…you’re even better now than you were before.” — Gigi [57:02]

Editing, Reality, and Accountability

• Gigi is candid: “At the end of the day, we are still humans…If we see something, that means you did that” [58:48].
• She appreciates reunion shows and interviews, where cast can give more context.

Pot Use & Spending

• Nick gently interrogates GG about her claim of spending $3-4K/month on cannabis. She clarifies a lot of it is taxes, but was “so embarrassed” when she calculated it [61:17].
• “No judgment here, but are you just smoking that much more than me?” — Nick [61:17]
• GG: “I do smoke quite a bit…But that was technically the first time I had to do the math for it…It hit me in that moment.” [61:53]

New Home & Business

• GG recently found a new home in the Valley with a big yard for her two Rottweilers [63:25].
• On her sex toy business: “Business is good, business is good!” She brought toys to share after a housemate’s speedy tryst [63:29].

Show Feuds: Sky and the “Dangerous” Word

• GG unpacks her dynamic with fellow cast member Sky, who called her dangerous [65:13].
  • “I grew up in a way that you knock if you buck…Sometimes people just need to be a little scared.”
  • Defends calling out hypocrisy—Sky smoked at her own party, despite acting above it on camera [59:50].

On Reality TV Vulnerability

• GG praises the Valley men for healthy masculinity, “confident enough to dip into their femininity, cry gently on camera” [76:35].
• She hopes Sky returns for more drama, but says “you can’t come back without vulnerability, accountability, and a little humanity in yourself.” [69:53]
• Admits she texted Sky an apology after filming wrapped, recognizing her own time being the “villain” on TV.

MJ, Divorce & Tough Relationships

• GG acknowledges watching MJ’s marriage struggles is “gut-wrenching”—sometimes these moments provide clarity for why someone chooses divorce [72:04].
• Hints at heavy upcoming episodes: “Something’s coming up and it is tough, very tough. I was there, and you guys will see it soon.” [73:34]

Reality Favorites & Final Reflections

• GG watches all Real Housewives franchises, loved Basketball Wives; not interested in competing on “The Traitors,” despite being asked [71:10].

Notable Quotes from GG & the Panel

• On being single:
  GG: “My heart would like a little bit of, I don’t know, a little bit of like, the weight of a man on top of it. It’s been a while.” [52:17]
• On reality TV accountability:
  GG: “Every reality star wants to complain about editing…but if we see something, that means you did that.” [58:48]
• On Sky:
  Gigi: “I think who she was before was a facade and this version is probably who she is.” [68:56]
• On Valley men:
  GG: “It’s so confident they can dip into their femininity, cry gently on camera…The kindest people, they host every weekend.” [76:35]
• On MJ’s relationship:
  GG: “When you see your son being the thing that hurts you the most, which is your husband.” [74:38]

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Memorable Moments and Panel Banter

• On the Olympic cheater phenomenon:
  “Maybe this is a lesson in don’t share too much when your adrenaline is high.” — Nick [13:01]
• Love Is Blind casting shade:
  “He’s giving spoiled by his mom.” — Nick, on Steven [21:30]
• On pride in emotional regulation:
  “You seem very regulated emotionally, not reactive…I’d go to you for advice. But, yeah, not interested.” — Nick [25:04]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 03:31 – Parenting and Pregnancy Challenges
• 10:40 – Olympic Cheating Scandal Breakdown
• 21:07 – Love Is Blind Season 10: First Impressions
• 32:48 – Summer House Recap and Amanda/Kyle Dynamics
• 41:56 – Are Valley Men the Best Partners on Bravo?
• 49:14 – Breakups via Instagram Caption: Social Media Drama
• 51:57 – Interview: Golnesa “GG”—Life, Love, Returning to Bravo
• 57:02 – GG on Motherhood and TV Self-Awareness
• 61:17 – Pot Use, Spending, and Social Habits
• 65:13 – Show Feuds, Hypocrisy, and “Dangerous” Edits
• 73:05 – MJ’s Divorce: Reality vs. TV
• 76:35 – GG on Valley Men and Healthy Masculinity
• 78:09 – Closing & Panel Goodbyes

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Tone and Style

The household’s vibe is friendly but irreverent—lots of jokes and pop culture references, with heartfelt moments of sincerity, especially discussing complicated relationships and divorce. GG’s candor and tough-yet-thoughtful attitude fits right in. The group isn’t afraid to call out problematic behaviors, but always with a sense of humor and keen reality TV insight.

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Overall Summary

This episode is an essential catch-all for reality TV enthusiasts, delivering spicy takes on current shows, Bravo dynamics, and the evolution of on-screen relationships. The extended interview with GG elevates the conversation, providing real insight into reality TV’s pressures, the LA singles scene, and the importance of authentic, accountable storytelling. The show also stands out for its willingness to critique both producers and cast, offering a mix of laughter, sharp cultural observation, and a dash of professional inside baseball anyone following the reality world will appreciate.

Transcript

[Nick]

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[Natalie]

You're crazy.

[Nick]

What's going on everybody? Welcome back to another exciting episode of the VS Reality Recap Edition. Joined by my oh, I forgot to introduce myself. I'm Nick, joined by my wife Natalie.

[Natalie]

That's me. Hello.

[Mary]

Hi.

[Natalie]

Hi.

[Nick]

We have the household with us. Sweet boy Justin, who did make an appearance on the couch yesterday after a summer hiatus. It is his birthday today, so happy birthday, Justin. He is Taking some time off and enjoying himself.

[Gigi]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Celebrating.

[Nick]

So Mary's on the couch.

[Leia]

Yeah. Sorry to disappoint, everybody.

[Mary]

It's me. We love Mary.

[Nick]

Leia is home with the flu.

[Natalie]

Are you feeling any better?

[Pregnant Woman]

I am feeling. I am feeling better today. Louis finally went back to school today. I'm feeling a bit better, but I'm probably still a bit contagious.

[Mary]

I feel better.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Pregnant Woman]

This flu, not for the faint of heart. Having a toddler and being pregnant thrown into the mix.

[Natalie]

Being pregnant and taking care of a toddler in general is like, this feels impossible. But then to double in with like, oh, I'm actually so sick and I can barely move. And then they're like, mama up, mama up. Play, mama, play outside.

[Pregnant Woman]

And you're like, it's usually your kid getting you sick. So then they get better.

[Natalie]

Yeah, no, you're sick, rude.

[Pregnant Woman]

And now you have energy. But I don't.

[Nick]

Well, we had a doctor's appointment yesterday. Clean bill, health.

[Mary]

Nice.

[Gigi]

Congrats.

[Nick]

The babies are babying. I really asked the dumbest questions to our doctor.

[Leia]

What's the dumbest question you've ever asked to the doctor?

[Nick]

I don't remember, but it's really like, how are you feeling about this situation?

[Natalie]

Yesterday? He was like, because apparently between a certain amount of weeks, you're not supposed to fly when you're carrying twins because basically your body thinks you're full term.

[Leia]

Whoa. Oh, that's a lot.

[Mary]

Things people don't tell you. Yeah. About being pregnant.

[Pregnant Woman]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Well, you know, it's kind of like most people don't need to know that information if they don't have twins.

[Natalie]

I mean. Yeah, I. Shocking to hear, but I was like, oh, okay, great. She's like, yeah, you could go into preterm labor if you were to travel.

[Nick]

Oh, my gosh.

[Natalie]

She's like, so we need to check your cervix before any long flights to make sure it's not. I mean, just the craziest amount of steps.

[Pregnant Woman]

Know that apparently you're not supposed to smell cat poop. Cat litter or something.

[Leia]

Leah, I asked my sister about when you're pregnant. No, My sister, the OB GYN with a child. She had no idea what you were talking about.

[Pregnant Woman]

Well, apparently, that's a thing. Maybe there's something, I think, in their litter. I don't know. I'm not a cat person. Danny got it confused, and he asked our doctor, and he's like, so is it true that she can't smell horse poop? And the doctor was like, what?

[Natalie]

Why is he worried about you smelling.

[Nick]

Yeah, but your doctor said no. It's cat poop. Cat litter.

[Pregnant Woman]

Yes. Yes.

[Leia]

For reference, this is according to the Google AI Overview. So to take that with a grain of salt, it says pregnant women should avoid changing cat litter to prevent risk from Toxoplasma gondi, a parasite in feces, causing toxoplasmosis, which can cause severe fetal harm.

[Natalie]

That's what I tell Nick about rivers poopy diapers. I'm like, I can't change those because I'm pregnant.

[Pregnant Woman]

Yeah, I did lie to Danny and said that it was dog poop. So for a while he was picking up all of the dog poop.

[Natalie]

Nick is doing my, like, belly routine at night. Does Danny help you with that Leia? Putting on, like, your belly oils and lotions and stuff?

[Nick]

And by oils he means oil.

[Pregnant Woman]

Danny doesn't help me with my belly oil.

[Natalie]

But.

[Pregnant Woman]

But to be fair, I don't even help myself.

[Natalie]

I've been that I just go to. No. And I honestly do feel that it has. Yeah, it has gotten to that point. Yesterday the clock hit 8 o' clock and I said I need to go lay down. Yeah. And I lay on the couch.

[Mary]

Time for you to go grab the.

[Natalie]

Oils and lock up and take the trash out and pick up the dog food.

[Nick]

I start my nightly chores.

[Mary]

Wait, did we finally graduate to 2 cups of water at night? We still are sharing one large when.

[Nick]

We all, oh, my God, we're so in love.

[Leia]

But you're drinking for 1, 2, 3, 4, y'.

[Natalie]

All. And river, she enjoyed into.

[Leia]

Oh, my God. How is it a 32 inch hydro?

[Nick]

What's the cutest thing that Louie says?

[Natalie]

Opie, that's cute to open.

[Pregnant Woman]

That's cute. What's the cutest thing that river says?

[Nick]

She's like, icy cold.

[Natalie]

Icy cold.

[Nick]

I say cold, mama.

[Natalie]

Any drink. Any drink.

[Nick]

Icy cold.

[Natalie]

Because it's icy communal cold. Our communal cup is now icy.

[Mary]

Icy cold.

[Natalie]

And now Nick will be like, do you want some icy cold before?

[Nick]

Yeah, no, I just call it icy cold now.

[Pregnant Woman]

Are you now sharing your cup with river too?

[Natalie]

Yes. Yeah.

[Pregnant Woman]

Oh, guys, she's backwashing all in there and you know it.

[Natalie]

Oh, I know. You should see her when we eat. Like last night we ate. We made tacos. And she, of course, is a girl like her own mother. And she likes.

[Nick]

Natalie made dinner last night.

[Mary]

Nice.

[Natalie]

I did make dinner last night. She is just like her mother and she likes dip. So we. We use a lot of sour cream on our tacos. And if she Takes a sip of icy cold, and there's a little bit of sour cream on top of that straw. Nick is like, river, lick it again.

[Nick]

Yeah. It has nothing to do with her germs. I'm just disgusted by sour cream. Yeah.

[Natalie]

He's like, take another sip, River.

[Gigi]

I love that.

[Mary]

It's not like, grab a napkin or.

[Natalie]

Like, rinse it off.

[Mary]

He goes, lick it again. Get that off of that dada dip.

[Nick]

Da da dip. Da dip, da da dip.

[Natalie]

Then Nick does it wrong somehow, and she's like, no da da. No mama dip mama.

[Mary]

That is your child.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Or when I, like, I'll put her to bed, and then I'll try to transfer. And sometimes she's just not ready, and she'll be like, Don't sit.

[Leia]

I love when little kids are like, no, no, we're not doing that.

[Natalie]

She puts on my. She puts on my shoes all the time. And she'd be like, bye, mama. Work, Black car work. I'm like, oh, you're getting in your black car and you're going to work.

[Leia]

She's already a diva. Yeah. That's awesome.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

She was carrying her little plastic toy phone this morning, and she had it, like, on her hip. And I was like, is your phone in your pocket? And she's like, yeah. Okay, cool.

[Nick]

Well, we do have a fantastic episode lined up for you. Lots of TV to talk about, Like, Summer House.

[Gigi]

Summer House.

[Nick]

We got Love is Blind that just dropped yesterday. We'll get into a little bit of episode one, but we're gonna let. We'll let you guys really dive in and watch those episodes, and we'll. We'll get to the meat of it next week as well. Also, we have Gigi from Valley Persian style joining us later this episode, and that is something I'm really looking forward to.

[Mary]

I'm. I can't wait to see her in person.

[Nick]

Did we ask her to bring some of those sex toys she's selling?

[Mary]

For what?

[Nick]

I just want to help. I just want to help a woman promotion. Well, also, if you're watching, you probably have noticed that we are wearing some very exciting, cool, very neat merch. We have a limited drop coming up shortly. It's the best merch we've ever done.

[Natalie]

Well, I think our first drop was, like, the classics, right? That's like, the classic. Like, that's our classics collection. This is, you know, our limited drop. It's the how's your heart? It is the household.

[Nick]

It's like, did you get. Did you make that? Or is that your Dad's? Sweatshirt from 1988.

[Natalie]

So true. It's like how vintage is that? It looks so vintage.

[Nick]

I'm really excited about it. And if you want to get some of the merch, it will be limited, limitedly, limitedly available starting next Thursday. Starting next Thursday. So be sure to check that out. Also, don't forget the Vile Files plus is rocking and rolling. It's ad free and it's got some amazing content like your update specials, your pop extra episodes where we talk about your favorite pop culture topics as well as your reality recap deep dives where we really get into the weeds on some of the favorite shows that we are all watching. Also, Netflix is a joke. B Files is going live with the upcoming cast of Temptation Island. So if you are in the LA Greater LA area on May 6, be sure to join us. It'll be a lot of fun. Bring yourself, bring your partner, bring your lovers, bring your friends. Doesn't matter. We'll be having a great time and have a great time with us. Tickets are now available, so just go to our website at the valve files.com or our show description for tickets Olympics. Who's still watching? I am.

[Leia]

Yeah, we've had it on, you know, in the, in the background as we're editing here and stuff. So I. As I'm walking.

[Nick]

Well, the story that's sweeping, sweeping the.

[Mary]

Sweeping the nation.

[Nick]

The world.

[Gigi]

The world.

[Nick]

Right. Because it's not even a Norwegian man, was it? He's from Norway. He's a biathlete, which is the one where they shoot and ski.

[Leia]

A competitor in a Nordic skiing event that combines cross country skating and rifle shooting.

[Mary]

Rifle shooting.

[Nick]

There you go. So he took third in the world, which was not impressive for Mary.

[Leia]

Bronze.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Leia]

You can do better.

[Nick]

It's like if he won the gold, I would have been okay with this. But he confessed in his Post interview that he cheated on his girlfriend and.

[Natalie]

That it feels like one of those moments where he's like, I gotta get her back somehow. You know?

[Nick]

He was like, this is the grandest thing I can do. I think she. I don't think it was a confession to her.

[Mary]

Okay.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

It was a proclamation of accountability, I think, on his part.

[Natalie]

Like, he was like, how can I make her show her that I'm remorseful? Oh, I'll just, when I win my.

[Nick]

Olympic medal, I'll tell everyone in the world that I did this to her.

[Leia]

So what he said, speaking to a Norwegian journalist, he said, there's someone I wanted to share this with who might not be Watching today. Six months ago, I met the love of my life and the most beautiful and kindest person in the world. Six months and three months ago, I made the biggest mistake and cheated on her. Yeah.

[Natalie]

They were only together for six months.

[Mary]

Cheated in three months.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

You're only together for three months.

[Leia]

Yeah. The Olympian explained that he had told his girlfriend about his infidelity a week ago. He went on to say that it had been the worst week of his life before tearfully declaring, I had a gold medal in my life. I only have eyes for her. I don't know what I want to achieve by saying this. I wish I could share it with her. The Olympian went on and say he wanted to be a good role model, but that I have to admit, when I make mistakes. The ex girlfriend did respond.

[Natalie]

The ex girlfriend? Yeah. They are no longer together. She said, it is hard to forgive even after a declaration of love in front of the whole world. I did not choose to end up in this situation and it hurts to have to be in it. We have been in contact and he is aware of my views on this.

[Leia]

That's cold.

[Natalie]

Do we feel like he would have won gold had he not been going through this a week ago?

[Nick]

Maybe. Maybe his focus was elsewhere.

[Leia]

True.

[Natalie]

But then he was like, I still have to win something because I have to give a speech.

[Leia]

I have to say it publicly.

[Nick]

I feel like this is maybe a lesson in like, don't share too much information when you're like, adrenaline is like at an all time high.

[Leia]

Yeah. You know.

[Nick]

You know, I mean, he's not, he's probably not going to get her back.

[Leia]

No.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And now going forward, he'd be like, well, I mean, honestly, going forward, assuming they don't get back together on future first dates, he'll never have to, like, he'll be like, well, you know, have you ever cheated?

[Natalie]

You know, actually have.

[Nick]

Just avoid that.

[Leia]

Yeah, we Google look up Olympics. My bronze medal speech. You'll hear all about it. It's crazy that he tied that directly to his bronze medal. Like, acceptance thing.

[Nick]

Like, I imagine her friend group chat right now.

[Natalie]

Yeah. It's kind of like, do you. Have you ever seen people who, like, I feel like these used to be a thing videos of girlfriends with the guys who had cheated on them, like going out to the mall or like, they write it on their car like, I, I'm a cheater. And then they like have to wear a shirt or like hold a sign that says, like, I cheated on my girl. And they like walk together through the Mall. And it's supposed to this, like, learning moment.

[Mary]

Humiliation.

[Nick]

That's not the way to do it.

[Leia]

No.

[Gigi]

Yeah.

[Leia]

No, that's like Duns cap.

[Mary]

It's like 2016.

[Natalie]

I feel like it's like 2016.

[Nick]

Shame.

[Leia]

Yeah. That is very 2016.

[Natalie]

It's very 2016. So he was like, I thought we were back in 2016.

[Leia]

Again. Yeah.

[Pregnant Woman]

I will say there would be a small part of me that would really love this. That was the ex girlfriend.

[Nick]

Oh, my God. No, she's.

[Pregnant Woman]

No.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Loving this.

[Leia]

You're so on his mind.

[Natalie]

Yeah. No, like, he's obsessed with me. Are you kidding?

[Nick]

At the Olympics, she will find a way. On future first dates, always be like, what's the craziest thing ever happened to you? Well, funny you asked.

[Natalie]

Truth and a lie.

[Mary]

What's the biggest declaration of love you've ever received? Just on, like, a world front at the Olympics.

[Natalie]

Winning.

[Nick]

They're like, I was the most talked about person in the 2026 Olympics. Are you an Olympian? No.

[Natalie]

No.

[Nick]

Truly and honestly, in 2026 terms, six months. That's a situation. Literally all he had to do was not commit.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Early Pull a West Wilson.

[Nick]

Just be like, hey, we weren't. We were on a break.

[Mary]

We were just. I thought we were just talking. We're just trying to think.

[Natalie]

We were just talking. Yeah.

[Nick]

Like, we were exclusive. But you're not my girlfriend.

[Leia]

Sorry. I got the Olympics coming up.

[Nick]

I gotta focus.

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

I have a question. I don't know about you.

[Mary]

Zach's here.

[Natalie]

I think Zach is here.

[Nick]

If this girl called into Ask Nick next week and said, hey, my ex who cheated on me, professed his love.

[Mary]

At the Olympics, what would you tell her?

[Nick]

Well, my first question is, like, what do you want?

[Natalie]

Do you want to be back? Yeah, like, do you want to get.

[Nick]

Back together with him?

[Natalie]

She likes him.

[Nick]

I don't know if she does like him.

[Natalie]

I mean, she's like, Even after a declaration of love in front of the whole world.

[Nick]

That's just a fact. She's stating a fact.

[Natalie]

Oh, no. She's saying, it is hard to forgive. Even after.

[Mary]

She'S like, that was a great shout out.

[Natalie]

But, like, does she ends it with, we have been in contact and he's aware of my views on this.

[Nick]

I read something that the same gentleman in 2023, at, like, the World cup, you know, because. Not the Olympics. Olympics only happens every four years, but every year there's, like, a world biathlon, and apparently he was disqualified for accidentally discharging his gun in A hotel room. This is all to say, I think this man might be a little extreme. He was banned from a World cup.

[Gigi]

Mass start race after an accidental rifle.

[Nick]

Discharge in his hotel room.

[Natalie]

Yeah, he seems maybe just like a little impulsive.

[Leia]

Yeah, he might be an Aries for sure.

[Nick]

There's a 90 for sure. Can we look up his birthday? That she has no interest in him.

[Leia]

Yeah, yeah. He's giving. This is Aries behavior right here. I don't even know if he is. But to get bronze medal in the Olympics, not gold, and still be like, I did that. Let me announce that I cheated on this girl to get her back. Because I think that'll work. And then it doesn't work. That seems like, listen, you don't get.

[Nick]

To be an Olympian by, By not taking risks and not going big.

[Leia]

Exactly.

[Mary]

You miss 100 of the shots you don't take.

[Natalie]

Listen, he knocked himself down and then he did get back up.

[Gigi]

He.

[Leia]

And he got knocked out and he got back up again.

[Nick]

Love is blind is out. It's rocking and rolling. Well, we have some very sad breaking news that just came in. Unfortunately, James Vanderbeek just passed away at a very young age of 48, which is devastating and shocking. Yeah, you know, like when, when you hear about a celebrity, he, I mean, he announced he had cancer, I don't know, a couple years ago, some time ago. And just with, with, I think the advancement in medicine, you, I think I'm always like, optimistic about, you know, people's ability to fight it. But it just goes to show that's still a long way to go. I mean, I'm, you know, you, you, you heard about his diagnosis, but I was very, I mean, honestly shocked. Yeah, devastating.

[Mary]

So sad. I think it's never not going to be jarring to see people that, you know, are on the younger side of things or like people you grew up with on tv, like passing. Because I, I never really got really personal with things back in the day because it's just like, oh, like I didn't really watch that or like my mom loved them. But like now it's like people that I loved and it's like, it's, it's.

[Nick]

It, it hits different father husbands. So overall, good guy. I, I never really met him, but I did a couple years back go to a Packers Chargers game and we were in a private area and he was in the area, so I got the. I was, I was in this vicinity. I thought it was pretty cool. That was a few years back, but. Thoughts and prayers to his family in this difficult time. Very sad. When you're making a big decision, you need the full picture. Cargurus delivers exactly that. You get unbiased deal ratings, price and vehicle history and all the key details of up front so you know when you found the right car at the right price. Finally, car shopping with Total Confidence With Cargurus Discover, you can skip the filters and describe what you're looking for in your own words. Simply type what you want and Cargurus Discovery instantly surfaces real listings that match your exact needs. Dealership mode on Cargurus app puts you in control. You can compare cars side by side, check prices and estimate your final cost so you can navigate the dealership with confidence. With more than 4 million listings, CarGurus has the biggest selection of cars, so it's easier than ever to find the right car and the right deal. It's no wonder Cargurus is the number one most visited car shopping site according to SimilarWeb's estimated traffic data. Buy or sell your next car today with [e-mail] Go to CarGurus.com to make sure your big deal is the best deal. That's C-A-R-G-U-R U S.com CarGurus.com well, as.

[Natalie]

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[Nick]

Right, well, now we do have the cast photo. Season 10 of Life is Blind just dropped. In case you guys did not realize, we. So far, so good.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

There's definitely some people you're gonna hate.

[Leia]

It's certainly set in Ohio.

[Natalie]

It is certainly set in Ohio.

[Nick]

But, yeah, there's really only one in particular you're really gonna hate.

[Mary]

Somebody was also from Minneapolis. I was like, what's Steven?

[Nick]

You're really gonna hate Steven.

[Natalie]

Yeah, he's just, like, a tough.

[Mary]

He's.

[Natalie]

Oh, he's tough to just listen to.

[Nick]

He's giving. Spoiled by his mom.

[Mary]

Was this.

[Nick]

The late bloomer Was this one that.

[Mary]

Said he, like, goes for looks first and he's trying to change that?

[Natalie]

That sounds like something he'd say. Yeah.

[Mary]

Because. Yeah, I was like. I remember being rubbed the wrong way.

[Nick]

By rolling his eyes at Emma. Yeah. You just. You guys just gonna need to watch.

[Mary]

Yeah. I'm intrigued by, like, Emma and who. The two guys that she's talking to. Or I'm like. Or the one guy where it was kind of wanting kids, like, where they had a lot of things in common. But then it was kind of like her being like, you're giving me another point of view that I. To give me something to think about without making me feel bad for my views. I thought that was, like, really interesting. So I wonder if they'll actually make it. I think it was like, Emma and Mike.

[Natalie]

I think Victor is the biggest sweetheart ever.

[Mary]

Yes.

[Natalie]

Like, so kind, so loving. I love him. I think he's gonna be a fan favorite for show.

[Mary]

I like him and who he's talking to. And the end of the episode, I was like, okay, I get behind this.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Apparently, I read something this morning. I'm trying to find the article, but apparently the first couple that gets engaged at the end of episode one, they don't send them to Mexico with the rest of the group. They send them to Maui. Like, they put them. They send them. Yeah. And because they're first, like, they separate.

[Natalie]

Them, or they were like, they're not good tv, but we still want to, like, celebrate that they got engaged. So we'll just send them to Mad camera crew.

[Nick]

Yeah. Here we go. The creator Chris Colin tells E. Entertainment Weekly, there's an absolutely no way we could do it with seven couples in Mex. Oh, so is this a numbers game?

[Natalie]

Oh, yeah, they were like, this person is not like super dramafied. We're gonna just like still celebrate their love and send them on a trip. But like with no cameras.

[Leia]

That's ideal.

[Natalie]

We're not gonna pay for production to follow.

[Mary]

Wait, that's kind of like. Because I'm like, yeah, like I would want that. Like, literally I get to be private and have my own vacation paid for. Get to know this person on my own terms and not have any like outside interaction from the other. Love is blind, people. Until we all come together at some point.

[Leia]

And you're in Maui.

[Pregnant Woman]

Wait, are you guys talking about Christine and Victor? They don't go to Maui. They go to somewhere in California.

[Nick]

I'm sorry, not Maui.

[Natalie]

Malibu.

[Nick]

Literally Malibu. Oh, sorry guys, can't read. Can't read.

[Mary]

What's the difference? An eight hour flight, perhaps one's in Hawaii. Both beautiful, for sure. I mean, Pacific Ocean, very.

[Leia]

Yeah. I mean, you can't go to Dukes in Maui.

[Mary]

Yeah, yeah, sure.

[Nick]

Yeah. It is giving well. And they seem very, very sweet. And sweet sometimes equals boring.

[Natalie]

Boring. Sometimes it's okay.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Mary]

As I said, as long as they're coming back into the mix, then by all means, you guys, luck to have.

[Nick]

It's so crazy that like. Like one of the greatest compliments and criticisms you can often offer someone on reality TV is how unentertaining they are on tv, which most people who go on TV will see that as a huge criticism.

[Natalie]

Yeah, it's like your.

[Nick]

I know that because I've said that about people and I realized that they took that to great offense.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Nick]

Even though I didn't mean it. I was just like.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I don't know, like, you seem really normal and stable and like probably like a really healthy.

[Mary]

What are you trying to get me fired?

[Nick]

Nick.

[Natalie]

Therapy. Like, you're just self aware.

[Nick]

You seem very regulated emotionally, not reactive.

[Mary]

They're already picking a fight with their husband to like come home for a storyline.

[Nick]

I would go to you for advice, you know, but like. Yeah, I don't know, I kind of just like not interested.

[Natalie]

When Steven is like, she's trying to open up about the scars and he's like, well, it seems like you want me to change the subject. So like, what was your first kiss like? Mine was magical. And the time you lost your virginity. Oh God, it was so good. We woke up the next morning, we did it all over the place. It was like.

[Gigi]

Okay, any guy who.

[Nick]

Brags about loving the Notebook. And by the way, great movie. I do enjoy the Notebook.

[Mary]

It's a great movie on the first.

[Nick]

Date when you sound like you are like Nicholas Sparks biggest fan and he's.

[Leia]

For the streets, baby.

[Nick]

And you're really just into the love story.

[Pregnant Woman]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Need I remind you? And it is available on Vile Files. Plus deep in the catalog, I break down one of my favorite episodes I've ever done. Me and my best friend Kyle break down the Notebook.

[Gigi]

Nice.

[Nick]

We remind people that Noah asked for. Noah threatened to kill himself. Yeah.

[Natalie]

He hung from that to get the.

[Nick]

First date Ferris wheel.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Leia]

Yeah, he did.

[Nick]

Then he forced her into lie into the middle of the street. Well on upcoming traffic came. Oncoming traffic came.

[Leia]

Maybe it's good romance is dead.

[Nick]

And Noah, he was a fuck boy.

[Leia]

Yeah. He was Ryan Gosling.

[Nick]

Yeah. He was just like, I don't want. Am I supposed to do with this face. You don't want to date me. Mild as your husband's at war anyway, if a guy's just like, oh, my God. I'm just like.

[Natalie]

But he built her her house.

[Nick]

My.

[Natalie]

My blue shutters and a wraparound porch so I can paint.

[Nick]

And they came out with a shotgun. To anyone who was like, yo, can I buy your house? Is. His response was like, I'm gonna kill you if you.

[Mary]

Love makes us crazy sometimes.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Anyway, yeah, Steven's a big fan.

[Natalie]

Big fan.

[Nick]

I'm sure that's a big, big red flag.

[Gigi]

Yeah.

[Mary]

He seems like somebody that watched that movie also starring Ryan Gosling, where he was like the like, love expert or whatever. Crazy, stupid love. But he's like, yeah, like this. And I'm gonna say this. And you know what, girl? My favorite movie makes you cry.

[Nick]

No, I know. That's such a crazy. I love that movie. And like, you watch that movie and you're just like, oh, my God, passing so cool. And you're like. You think to yourself, what loser would go to a nightclub by themselves every night in a suit?

[Natalie]

Yeah, yeah, I remember we watched that kind of recently and you asked that question and I was like, you know, it is that. It's weird.

[Leia]

Yeah. Like, you're watching the movie and you're like, oh, my God, he's so suave. And then you're like, wait, wait, this guy.

[Mary]

Do you not have any friends in real life?

[Leia]

You gotta hang out with recently separated Steve Carell and his little Skecher sneakers.

[Natalie]

You didn't have time to change out of your suit, leaving the office, heading to the club.

[Nick]

Do you only know one bar, like, and why are you wearing a suit?

[Natalie]

Have some variation.

[Nick]

Yeah, it's Tuesday jeans and a T shirt, bro.

[Leia]

If you're gonna be a Ryan Gosling in a rom com, be a Ryan Gosling in La La Land. Just have a deep love of Jazz and the woman that will never.

[Natalie]

Have you seen the video of him recently throwing a football?

[Leia]

No.

[Nick]

Well, definitely AI.

[Natalie]

Yeah, it was.

[Nick]

You think he actually threw it that far in the middle of that donut?

[Leia]

Hold on. Ryan Gosling?

[Nick]

Well, I don't know if it was AI, but.

[Natalie]

No, I do.

[Nick]

I'm pretty sure he didn't do that.

[Natalie]

No, I think he did.

[Nick]

No way.

[Natalie]

No, I think he did.

[Mary]

I don't know what you guys are talking about.

[Natalie]

Mary.

[Leia]

I believe I'm pulling it up right now.

[Nick]

If he did, I apologize. Ryan.

[Natalie]

Like, that looks real. That looks real to me.

[Gigi]

That looks real.

[Mary]

I'm gonna kind of. I don't believe anything I see with my eyes.

[Nick]

Did the football disappear on the shot?

[Leia]

No.

[Natalie]

No, it doesn't. In the shot, the whole time they zoom in.

[Leia]

They do zoom in.

[Nick]

You see it again? Yeah.

[Mary]

I don't know. I feel like they could do that with AI. I'm just saying, like, that ball.

[Natalie]

But he, like, turns around and has, like, a face. Like a face.

[Nick]

Oh, he acts.

[Mary]

I see so many videos that are like, yeah, it.

[Nick]

Oh.

[Natalie]

Zoom, zoom.

[Nick]

Oh, you see how the football goes out of frame?

[Natalie]

He threw it so high.

[Nick]

Zach. That's fake.

[Mary]

That the camera.

[Leia]

Sorry. Sorry.

[Mary]

Ryan Gosling jealous of Ryan because I believe. Because then he clearly missed his calling.

[Nick]

I can do better than Ryan Gosling is apparently. Throw a football.

[Natalie]

Yeah. I actually saw you throw one in the backyard the other day. And you broke all of the candles in the backyard. They fell off the shelf.

[Nick]

That's called a bullseye.

[Natalie]

I think I have it on video, actually. Wait, listen. River went to go get it.

[Mary]

What is that, Riv? What is that?

[Natalie]

Good job, football.

[Nick]

Oh.

[Natalie]

So, yeah, he's so much better than Ryan Gosling.

[Nick]

I didn't say so much better.

[Natalie]

I didn't see Ryan hit a car, hit a window.

[Nick]

All I'm saying, that video.

[Natalie]

Anyways.

[Nick]

Totally. Anyways, check out Love is Blind, Season 10, streaming now on Netflix. We'll dive into it next week and really get into the weeds. It's. It's so good. How many episodes have you seen, Leo?

[Pregnant Woman]

I've seen all six that have dropped.

[Nick]

It's really, really good. You think it's better than last season for me.

[Pregnant Woman]

Listen, I like the pods, but it's not my favorite part of the show. For me, it's when they start going on Their vacation.

[Nick]

I am kind of podded out a little bit Same.

[Natalie]

And love my Netflix family, Love everyone over there. But I am very distracted in the pods with all of the lighting orbs.

[Gigi]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Like, so I feel like it's more than normal. And I am. I like, most of the time it's covering their face and I'm like, why are there so many?

[Nick]

Why are you shooting through the light?

[Leia]

Yeah, the production design and the cinematography this season, they really, they really went for it.

[Mary]

Took some liberties, you could say.

[Nick]

Well, I do know in my, my experience in making reality television that many of the producers and people who work on that show pro. You know, some do. Some grew up and were like, I want to do reality tv. Many went to like, film school and things like that. And. And you know, they have a vision. They have a vision and they want to flex those creative muscles as much as possible. And, you know, like, sometimes in. In certain you're limited and so, you.

[Leia]

Know, you do what you can.

[Nick]

You do what you can.

[Leia]

I. The one last thing I'll say about Love is Blind is I've never felt more seen than when someone, like, realized someone else liked the song Mr. Brightside and was like, this must be true love.

[Natalie]

Come on, Leia.

[Leia]

I was like, that's the psychosis I. I'm under.

[Mary]

From what you've seen, do you feel confident that we're going to get a full blown wedding, like marriage by the end of this?

[Natalie]

Yeah, I do.

[Pregnant Woman]

I. I'm hopeful that there will be.

[Nick]

At least, you know, interest. Great question. Because we got none last season and it would be kind of not great.

[Mary]

But I feel like six episodes and we kind of knew, like, we were like, the only two people were kind of banking on is maybe these two. And now she's accusing him of being an alcoholic. So I don't think this is gonna work out.

[Nick]

Oh, you thought Anton and what's her name?

[Mary]

I don't know. But I was just saying as an example where it just kind of felt like we didn't really have a lot to go off of. And then when you'd be like, oh, maybe it'd be like next episode. Oh, Megan and Jordan.

[Leia]

Yeah, Megan and Jordan could have, like, figured their lifestyle stuff out. I could have seen them, but everyone else, I was like, yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

All right, well, we'll dive into it even more next week. Summer House is upon us. Really? You know what I hate? That a divorce really tickles your interest in a reality TV show.

[Natalie]

Yeah, man, that's drama.

[Nick]

Yeah, I know.

[Natalie]

You know, but it's like.

[Mary]

And I think it's not so much. Well, I mean, maybe because we know beforehand that they're getting divorced, but, like. Like, they didn't know that. You know what I mean? So I think that's what's also interesting is that, like, because you wonder because Kyle said it this episode, he was like, I can't even imagine my life without her. Like, we're not. We're not. When he was sitting down with Carl, and Carl's like, I don't want you to be like me and Lindsay. He was like, I just. We're not even in that place. Like, it's just, you know, we need to figure out and get on the same page. But I couldn't imagine my life without her. So I'm like, I don't think he really thought that this was gonna be end game.

[Natalie]

Well, we do have a rapid recap for those of you who don't remember or didn't watch the second episode of Summer House. Amanda doesn't get why Kyle is mad about her not even skinny dipping. Ben is sunburned, but also he's blushing because the girlies are flirting. Kyle storms off in a fight with Amanda. Sierra acknowledges that bringing her animals was a good move by West. He knew what he was doing, which could mean question mark, question mark. End game, question mark, question mark. No, unless question mark, question mark. Who's to say question mark, question mark? During the week, Lindsay returns. Gemma is rocking, and Lindsay is powering through her breakup like a boss bitch. Also, Kyle called to trauma dump about Amanda to Lindsay. So of course she told Amanda. Also, Amanda brings up that there's a rumor he went home with a fan. She's sick of this shit. Carl and Kyle get into the weeds of the Amanda stuff. He apparently started DJing because he stopped taking a salary at Lover Boy.

[Mary]

I have thoughts about this.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

The next weekend, Sierra brings her friend Mia. She seems gorge. But reminder, the main drama is that Kyle and Amanda don't like each other right now. Kyle thinks. Thinks it's like being married to a cactus. Sierra is trying to be less rigid in her relationship with her mom. Kyle apologizes to the house for being a dick to Amanda. Amanda is like, maybe apologize to me for being a dick to me. Then Kyle storms off again. So that's it. Yep.

[Nick]

Shut your mouth.

[Mary]

Shut your beautiful mouth.

[Nick]

I'm not speaking for me.

[Leia]

Let him cook.

[Nick]

And please feel free to speak up for anyone else who has an opinion on this. But the implication that you smoke weed, well, and somehow Your libido isn't where it needs to be.

[Mary]

Not where I thought we're going with this, but, like, okay, that's what. That would plague you.

[Nick]

Well, Kyle was basically like, she smokes every night. And like, I'm not getting laid.

[Mary]

Yeah. Because that, that's Kyle just like, not taking responsibility and blaming whatever. Because last time it was, she doesn't help with lover boy. All she does is lay around and not do anything. And this time it's like, now all she does is smoke weed. And, like, doesn't wear.

[Nick]

I'm just saying, like a little THC and a little LL V E. It's a nice little combination.

[Leia]

All I'm saying is, like, if you are high and also attracted to the person you're with, things are kind of higher. It hits. It works.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Mary]

Some say even better. Some say it helps.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

But that's all I wanted to say.

[Natalie]

But also, weed affects people differently and you can smell different kinds of weed, you know? And she's like, I'm going to get a good night's rest.

[Mary]

The fact that Kyle will not take any responsibility for the reason why his wife doesn't want to have sex with him.

[Natalie]

And he was probably literally coming home at 4am and he's like, why the fuck she asleep?

[Mary]

Like, what?

[Natalie]

I just got home. Wake up.

[Leia]

Listen, she took one edible at 9pm.

[Nick]

Yeah, I'm no therapist.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And I'm certainly no couples therapist. But there was a key phrase in what Kyle said that just explained the entire dynamic. He's just like, I know I go out. I know I dj. I knew this. But when I do come home and when I do give her attention, she doesn't reciprocate. It's like, great, she's not on your schedule. And like, one time a week you show up and give her two fucking seconds of attention, she's not ready to party. Like, oh, I'm so sorry, Kyle. Like, but it's like, crazy that it just does not register with him.

[Mary]

Not at all. He also said something that kind of like, explained what Amanda says where it's like, he was like, I was losing money by going out to promote lover boy. But then with DJing, I'm now getting paid to. But it's like, so you made the choice to spend your money, Kyle. Get brand deal to go out when your wife is asking you to stay home and spend time with her. And. But you were losing money in the process. And now you're justifying DJing because you're making money. But it's still ground zero.

[Nick]

He sounds like the dad with, like, three kids who is like, this is more than I bargained for. Who's, like, moonlighting a second job at a grocery store at night just to make ends meet.

[Mary]

Yeah. Like, and it's like, no, Kyle, you're partying.

[Nick]

You're also a famous TV celebrity.

[Mary]

Yeah, that part.

[Nick]

There's that salary per episode.

[Natalie]

Yep.

[Mary]

I see lover boy doing collabs all the time.

[Natalie]

You're an og, so check's probably pretty high.

[Mary]

It just goes to show where I'm like, kyle wants to be, like, validated no matter what he does, but then wants to bring down everybody else when it's like, when think.

[Pregnant Woman]

When.

[Mary]

When he thinks that his image is being played with. But it's like, you did this to yourself, sir. The idea that you're sitting there talking to a group of guys at a table, being like, oh, Amanda, man. The second she's right behind him and he's like, I feel bad.

[Nick]

I didn't.

[Mary]

I said. And it's just like, because you enjoy talking shit about your wife because it makes you look better to everyone else, but you don't want to talk shit to your wife because you don't want to look bad to your wife.

[Natalie]

But it's also, like, the second that she comes over, heads up, Jesse.

[Gigi]

Heads up.

[Natalie]

Heads up is what he says. And then KJ Being like, dude, I always got your back, bro. Like, always here for you. It's like, first of all, why would you say that?

[Mary]

Like, we, Like, I don't know.

[Natalie]

Of course Amanda's gonna be like, why?

[Mary]

Why?

[Natalie]

What does that mean? But why does he.

[Mary]

Like, I think he did on purpose.

[Natalie]

You do?

[Pregnant Woman]

Then he's married to Amanda. Like, it's just so backwards. It's so bizarre that he's complaining to this guy who he's literally just met.

[Natalie]

Yeah. Amanda's like, what is it that you were saying? Like, I'm gonna find out at some point. And he couldn't say anything. It's like, you can't even be like, oh, I was just, like, venting to, like, how dirty our apartment is, and.

[Mary]

You smoke a lot of weed and just, like, calling you terrible lies.

[Natalie]

Pick up, up. Because you're supposed to clean, and you don't clean. And so I've tried to get your mom to come help, and you won't even, like, let your mom come clean.

[Mary]

So the calling your mom to beg her to come pick up after her is crazy work. Like, whether you did it or not or whether you just said that or you actually. It's all crazy to me. I'm like, so you can't talk to your wife, but you're gonna go tell on her to her mom? Yeah, grow up. Yeah, grow the up.

[Nick]

We will talk about the Valley Persian style, obviously, coming up when. When. When Gigi gets here. But I'm watching the Valley Persian style, and I gotta lineup of men. It's seemingly the best men in terms of, like, how they are with their partners in. In Bravo. Would you agree? Disagree?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Mary]

I mean, I don't think we have. I don't know that we've had a cast with so many men besides. Yeah, the original.

[Nick]

You know, there's. It doesn't seem like a lot of toxicity, honestly. There seems to be a lot of, like, beautiful relationships. Like, literally last night's episode was kind of about, like, you know, come defending your partner, your wife. And then, like, Bombshad was like, he didn't. But we kind of understand why. But even then, he was. I should have done that.

[Leia]

Right.

[Nick]

You know, which is like, the exact opposite of what we see on so many Bravo shows when it comes to the men who are in relationships with women.

[Mary]

Right.

[Nick]

And I'm just curious, outside, if you were to rank the best men when it comes to the best men who are partners, how would you say that? Best. Best male partners in Bravo, how would you rank them?

[Mary]

Oh, I don't. I feel like that's kind of hard because it's like, my first thought goes, like, Mauricio. But then it was like, rumors, infidelity throughout their relationship. Now they're not together. I'm like. And a lot of the shows don't really focus on the relationships or, like, the marriages between couples. It's like the husband's always, like, the added bonus.

[Nick]

Well, and Housewives.

[Mary]

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. But there's not. This is, like, the first show where I feel like we actually have, like, couples that have been married off of television.

[Nick]

No, but you have Summer House.

[Mary]

Kyle's not on that list.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Leia]

You know what I mean?

[Mary]

Like, I'm like, to be honest, and I'm like, I really don't feel like we have had good examples of marriages on Bravo in the sense that marriages. But like, Carl, Lisa Ren and Harry Hamlin.

[Nick]

Carl seems like a good one, but.

[Mary]

Carl's not a husband.

[Nick]

I don't even mean Huntsman.

[Mary]

I mean, he's like a good guy. Like Carl now potential.

[Natalie]

I don't know. Back in their. His relationship with Lindsay.

[Mary]

And it's like, or like, the work is Twin Season 2.

[Nick]

You could critique Carl and Lindsay's relationship, but I don't.

[Mary]

Maybe I. Carl's just a reformed boy, though. And, like, he's. And. And. But you're talking about doing the work. Like, not just like, but, you know.

[Nick]

Like, for, I think west, incomplete grade because we haven't really seen him be a boyfriend. I'm not talking about a guy who's like, you know, how he dates and how he casually dates. It's like, yeah, he's a fuck boy, whatever. It's just like, he's.

[Leia]

It's not unethical like the.

[Nick]

Him and Sierra. It's like, you know, we all have opinions about that, but clearly the lines were blurred in terms of, like, were they in relationship expectations and like, that's harder to grade how someone is and how they treat their partner if they're not actually a partner.

[Leia]

Right.

[Nick]

I'm just talking about, like, the. The men on Bravo often seem insecure. They seem to attack their partner and, you know, verbally. You know, they. They don't seem to want to show up for their partner.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, things like that. But the men. The men on Valley Persian Style seem like really solid dudes.

[Mary]

Big fan. Amir and Natasha. I love the way that they communicate with each other. I'm like. But that's what I'm saying. I'm like, I don't think you see a lot of that of, like, a loving relationship, like, healthy masculinity. Yeah.

[Leia]

Yes.

[Nick]

A lot of unhealthy masculinity in Bravo or the Valley Persian Style really seems to bring it.

[Mary]

And I think it's also because, like, these men, like, weren't like, like, pining to be on reality television. So it's not like a Jacks or like, like, create Tom Sandoval, like, creating a storyline or like, you know, knowing what to do. It's like, I feel like they just were dedicated to their marriages and a camera happens to be there versus, like, oh, I'm gonna be married and then I'm gonna ruin my marriage because the camera's here, which is kind of what.

[Leia]

The Valley should be. No, like, the thesis of the idea of the Valley is just these relationships that have matured and now you get to see what they're like as people get a little older and their relationships get more serious.

[Mary]

But I think that's kind of the difference. Where I was like, the Valley, the original Valley, like, it kind of feels like they're all coming off of another TV show. So they know what's expected of them. So it's like especially somebody like Jax. It's like Jax, he'll throw his wife under the bus before, you know, being a standup guy and missing a scene. You know where these guys are just like these are our relationships. This is what marriage is like. This is what we go to dinner. This is what we, what our group friend group is like. You know, Luke is a good one. Actually like a really good one. Very sweet and personable.

[Natalie]

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[Nick]

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[Natalie]

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[Mary]

Me too.

[Natalie]

Okay, welcome. Welcome to the crew.

[Leia]

But the beautiful thing about the checkered slip on vans is like all the girlies that have them now have had them since high school.

[Natalie]

They're worn in.

[Leia]

Mine has a hole in it.

[Natalie]

Oh mine are like from there's like checkered colored in from when I like science class board coloring with my pen and it's like do they fit true to size? I'm like, I've had mine for so long. I have no idea.

[Nick]

Are they not in vogue?

[Natalie]

I think they, I think vans check. I think the checkered slip on vans will always be in vogue. I think they'll always be a staple. But the clean ones, I don't know.

[Nick]

Well, if anyone's recently bought a pair of vans checkered Slip on, checkered slip on vans.

[Leia]

I feel like that checkered slip on vans is the cadence that, like, feels better in.

[Nick]

Do they. Are they true? True to size?

[Leia]

I say they're true to size or not.

[Nick]

They're a size below. Like, I wear 11 sneakers, but a 10. Converse.

[Mary]

Interesting.

[Nick]

There was a report last week said something about that Gen Z is the first generation to be dumber than its predecessor.

[Leia]

I would agree with that. Yeah. Judging by a lot of the people I. I love and are dear and.

[Nick]

Close to me, some of them made us lazier and. And now everyone is an expert based off of, like, some TikTok they watched.

[Natalie]

My grandfather, I remember as a kid, I would ask him a question, and he would be like, okay, let's go get this textbook. He was a psychologist. Like, let's go to my office and get a textbook and let's find out the answer. And now, dictionary. Sorry, Grandpa.

[Nick]

Now everyone's like, you know what? I know, I know. I just. I watched.

[Mary]

Yeah, I read books then, and I still read books now.

[Gigi]

Well.

[Natalie]

Well, I would probably assume the sous chef of Below Deck might be in this category.

[Mary]

She does.

[Natalie]

She does seem like a really cool hang and a fun girl. And I. That was so me. Her being like, I can't take anymore.

[Mary]

Getting yelled at.

[Natalie]

Like, that was very relatable.

[Nick]

Her going at the end of the episode to Captain, and she was like, it's so toxic down there.

[Leia]

And it's like, he's a chef. Of course it is forgetting.

[Nick]

Okay, but, like, the toxicity is coming from your incompetence.

[Mary]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Natalie]

He's coming from the heat of the galley. I can imagine being hot and also being yelled at and trying to make.

[Mary]

Decisions and also trying to be nice while somebody's asking you a dumb question and trying to not say it's a dumb question.

[Nick]

Basically accusing him of being toxic.

[Natalie]

But he also is like, hey, if I pick on you, that means I love you, you know? And I. And I just don't take it. He's. And he does call her babe, you know, there's some endearing moments, I think.

[Leia]

It'S like sometimes when you. You have a guy like that, you really just gotta run with the bit and not take anything personal.

[Natalie]

I feel like you have to give it back to him. Yeah. You know. You know, when he was like, you should have frozen this ice cream, then it's like, well, why didn't you? Yeah, why am I doing it then?

[Leia]

You know, you have access to a freezer as well.

[Natalie]

If you have Such strong opinions about the dessert.

[Leia]

Exactly.

[Natalie]

Maybe you should have done it, chef.

[Nick]

A big takeaway from the episode is that when a man was grinding on Britney, one person took out her phone. Record it. And that person's name is Meredith Marks.

[Natalie]

Yeah, she did.

[Nick]

So I just thought that was interesting.

[Leia]

Good for her.

[Natalie]

It was interesting because obviously we're slap dab in the middle of Britney being like, I saw a TikTok of Seth with the mistress. And then of course, here come our lovely deck hands being like, time for a striptease lap dance. And of course, only take the single ladies, Heather and Britney. The second that that man pushes Britney's chair back from that table. Meredith has never whipped her phone out so fast. And I feel like maybe that was the reason that Jared. Remember when he was like, they all called and said that she was flirting with everyone. I feel like maybe he got a video.

[Leia]

I think he got a video.

[Natalie]

I think Meredith sent him a video and he was like, by the way.

[Nick]

Speaking of Brittany and Jared's breakup, remember how we talked about it on Tuesday's episode of Reality Recap? Turn. Turns out he didn't know.

[Natalie]

What do you mean?

[Nick]

Found out via Instagram, Via the caption.

[Natalie]

I told you, she said Jared, goodbye. It was to him like, it was.

[Nick]

It wasn't like a metaphor or it.

[Natalie]

Was like, I've blocked him. I'm moving on, and this is how I let him out.

[Nick]

Look. Look for it.

[Gigi]

Yeah.

[Mary]

What was his response?

[Nick]

It was like, well, this is a weird thing to wake up to.

[Mary]

Oh, my God.

[Nick]

I mean, maybe it was fake. I don't know. I mean, I see a lot of things online in the Bravo universe that I believe is real for five minutes and, yeah, I'm being told is fake.

[Pregnant Woman]

Wait, that would be crazy. What a wild way to break up with someone.

[Mary]

I mean, she's amazing.

[Natalie]

No, that's iconic amazing because it's like, if anyone does deserve to be blindly broken up with.

[Leia]

Yeah, I don't.

[Natalie]

Jared Osmond.

[Mary]

It's literally like the comparison of the Olympics. It's like, would you rather have your ex cheat on you, win a medal and declare his love for you anyways, or would you rather be broken up with on the Internet Facebook post?

[Leia]

Okay, I. I don't see. I don't see Jared's comment on this, but I do want to read some of my personal favorites. Someone said, are you putting him down? King Princess said, okay, work. The hashtags in it were hashtag reallove, hashtag goodbye, hashtag broken, hashtag I'll always love you. Hashtag freaking.

[Natalie]

I'll always. I'll always love you.

[Gigi]

She.

[Nick]

Hashtag it.

[Natalie]

Anyway, I don't think I've ever seen.

[Mary]

A person like her.

[Leia]

Brittany Maven never changed.

[Mary]

One of a kind.

[Nick]

All right, well, up next we have go Nessa, also known as Gigi, for all you Shaw fans. And she joins us next to talk about all things the Valley, Persian style. And we can't wait. Gigi, welcome to the show.

[Gigi]

I love the.

[Nick]

The.

[Gigi]

We're all in hoodies.

[Pregnant Woman]

We are.

[Nick]

Yeah, we are. Well, we're. We're. We're promoting our new merch. What do you think?

[Natalie]

How's your heart?

[Gigi]

How's your heart?

[Natalie]

How is your heart?

[Gigi]

How is your medical question or a psychological question?

[Nick]

Psychological, Honestly? Either or.

[Gigi]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

However you feel like you want to answer.

[Gigi]

My heart's psychologically fine right now.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Gigi]

My heart would like a little bit of. I don't know, a little bit of, like, the. The weight of a man on top of it. It's been a while. A long while. Actually, about over a year or so.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Mary]

So, Dennis. Nothing.

[Gigi]

This is not single as a Pringle, and I am way too old to have the rant. Random flings.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Well, that was kind of my next question, because if you don't mind me saying, I feel like if you. If you, like, really wanted to, you could. So it's more like. I'm sure you're being selective.

[Gigi]

Sexual. I'm very sapiosexual, so it takes a lot of brain juice for me to get my juices flowing.

[Nick]

And so sapiosexual means you're attracted to people's intelligence?

[Gigi]

Yes, rather. Okay, yes. So I can't just really look a picture, be like, that's the one. No, I need to. To.

[Mary]

Is there anybody that piques your interest or like, that you have a crush on intellectually?

[Gigi]

No, no, not one. I mean, I. We live in la, so it's. I. I think it's a little difficult to find the intellectuals in a city like this. And then I'm back on TV again. So then I don't really know exactly what the intentions are, but it's the city of dreams. And, you know, they're all in the dream of the industry. So it's like. But because of Jeff Lewis, I went and bought an iPad because I'm a Samsung person, and I got Raya.

[Natalie]

Wait, Raya. Apple products.

[Gigi]

They won't. They won't. They won't approve me.

[Nick]

I think they are. You know, honestly, I think they are only on Apple, like you need to.

[Gigi]

Give recommendations and things and it says give us access to your contacts. And I was like, I'm not doing that.

[Mary]

Absolutely not.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Gigi]

That's weird.

[Mary]

I thought you just like gave a couple names of like people you knew that were on there or something.

[Leia]

You just have to like link your Instagram or something.

[Gigi]

I did, but then it says Raya needs access to your contacts to see if you have to give referrals or references. And I was like, that's just bizarre.

[Nick]

Yeah, you declined that.

[Gigi]

I, I, I mean, do you know someone in Raya?

[Nick]

I used to.

[Natalie]

Oh yeah, he actually couldn't delete his account. It's probably your, your account's probably still booming on Raya.

[Nick]

No, it is. It's like a gym membership, though I will say, like, it is hard to get out.

[Gigi]

Which gym, though?

[Natalie]

I've the hardest gym to get out of.

[Gigi]

Equinox is different than, you know, like LA Fitness or something, right?

[Natalie]

Oh, yes.

[Gigi]

Which gym are we talking any of the difficult ones?

[Nick]

Because yeah, I, I, I did find that when you turned it off, you can, you can turn it off and be like, I don't want to be active. And then you'd have people be like, yo, saw you on rai. I'm like, what.

[Natalie]

You, you weren't supposed to see me on there. Did you see me swipe right?

[Nick]

Or I will say, I don't know. I don't think you're really missing out. Yeah, A lot of hotties.

[Gigi]

Yeah.

[Nick]

A lot of DJs, soccer players, athletes, actors. Nothing you probably haven't seen in la.

[Gigi]

Where does anyone in LA go to find someone a perspective? Like, honestly, this is an honest to God question.

[Nick]

Well, there is the dating app, the League, which is like very Raya esque, but less of the famous artistic people and more of the business, professional fancy pants people.

[Gigi]

What's it called?

[Nick]

The League.

[Gigi]

The League, yeah. Ah. And it's an app?

[Nick]

I believe. So I, yeah, I mean it's, I think it still exists.

[Natalie]

I haven't, does it still exist?

[Gigi]

So it's like eharmony, like how old is this out of the loop?

[Nick]

Well, I'm that out of the loop.

[Gigi]

Okay.

[Leia]

Okay. It's huge news. It still exists. It's also available on Google Play, so.

[Natalie]

It could be a sound word.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

You know, touch phones. Yeah. And so you can get matched with some business executives.

[Gigi]

Okay.

[Nick]

Some, A lot of MBA people.

[Gigi]

A lot of, yeah, they like them younger. I'm, I'm 45 this year, so that won't work for me.

[Mary]

It's crazy.

[Leia]

You look.

[Gigi]

So you guys are all shaking your head. You guys are supposed to support me on this.

[Nick]

I was like, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

[Leia]

Like, what do you mean?

[Natalie]

Elsa was like, I think she accidentally said 45. Like, I'm not going to, like, call her out on it. But I think she said the wrong number.

[Gigi]

Yeah, I'll give it a try. I'll give it a try.

[Nick]

I, too, am 45. We're both 45.

[Gigi]

Are we? Are you 81?

[Natalie]

80? Yeah. Yeah.

[Gigi]

I'm gonna be 45 this year, so.

[Nick]

Oh, you're rounding up.

[Gigi]

Yeah.

[Nick]

What a confident soul. I've done that.

[Gigi]

Not till November, so I don't know.

[Nick]

Why on the day before my birthday, if you're like, how old are you? I'm like, 44.

[Pregnant Woman]

Really?

[Nick]

I'm not like, almost tomorrow.

[Natalie]

Tomorrow I will be.

[Nick]

No, they're like, when's your birthday? Like, in five minutes.

[Mary]

But I am 44.

[Nick]

I am 44. How has been back on TV been for you?

[Gigi]

It's been awkward and awkwardly comfortable, if that makes sense. It was sort of like a bicycle I fell off of a long time ago, and you got a little hurt and you thought, I don't want to ever get back on the bicycle again. But you're back on it, and you're even better than you were before. So it's different. I have a son now, and I feel like I'm much more hyper aware of my actions. I know I want him to go to great schools. I mean, but then I have anger issues, so that kind of creeps in sometimes. But I just. I'm definitely a little bit more aware now than before.

[Nick]

So other than your just more bigger sense of awareness, how has been a mother changed your life?

[Gigi]

Oh, in every way possible. I have a very new level of. Of understanding of people and patience for people. I feel like I can look at my son and understanding that I chose this difficult upbringing by choosing a donor. And, you know, having a child alone and doing that is already creating this psychological journey for him. And I look at everybody, and everyone has a story in their household that causes them to be who they are on their journey. Journeys. So I definitely feel like I sort of have a little bit more compassion for people and more patience in order to have that compassion, if that makes sense.

[Nick]

Yeah. You know, you're such a dynamic character and very expressive. And in my experience, being on reality tv, that sometimes can allow other people editing the shows to craft narrative that, like, may, you know, I think the average reality TV star feels like you only see a snippet of them. How do you feel? Maybe misrepresented from the person you are, from the person we get to see on tv.

[Gigi]

I think every reality star wants to complain about the power of editing, but at the end of the day, we are still humans. We're not robots on reality shows. And if we see something, that means you did that. So whether the next moment got cut off and it went into another scene, that's a different thing. But what we did is what was documented and is what's shown. So it's a little difficult, you know, when we don't see the thousands of hours of us hanging out. But we get reunions, we get interviews like this. We get to tell our stories, you know, so that's what we got.

[Natalie]

Well, we recently had the trip to Palm Springs, the blowup of sky. We had Reza on not too long ago, who kind of filled it, some of the blanks.

[Gigi]

Oh, in the Reza fashion box.

[Natalie]

Yes, in Reza fashion.

[Gigi]

He's a Leo. I can imagine.

[Nick]

He's a delight.

[Natalie]

Like one of them being when she was upset at you for smoking at her party. She did in fact, partake in the smoking.

[Gigi]

Yes. Actually, that conversation, which that got cut part was that I sort of did a little psychological game on her in that conversation. And I was like, so, you know, you. So you don't smoke weed? She goes, sometimes I do. I was like, oh, so wine's more your thing? She goes, yeah, yeah, I have a glass every night. I was like, wow, okay, so you drink every day, like at home, you go out? She goes, oh, if I'm out at home, everything I said with your kids there. And then she got it, but they cut that part out. So let's talk about that. So there's, you know, listen, I'm very smart, I'm very sharp, and I've been on TV a long time. And when you see this person come and I knew she was to trying. Trying to come for me, she wanted me to get upset, but I was like, well, you have a very rational approach about your children being there. And as a mother, I immediately will apologize. Oh, my God, I'm so sorry. I didn't know. I didn't see them. I had no clue. So that was it. But then don't grab the J and just hit it and then toss back the alcohol with it.

[Nick]

You know, speaking of marijuana, I am just curious as someone who at times participates, takes cannabis, and I have had at, at times pretty good Streaks. I was a bit taken back by how much you spend in. No way. No judgment here. But I guess what I'm wondering if I'm in the position two of four, am I just smoking the wrong stuff or. Or are you just smoking that much more than me?

[Gigi]

I. I do do smoke quite a bit.

[Nick]

Okay.

[Gigi]

Also, listen, we're in California. Our taxes for cannabis are ridiculous. We're looking at a close to 40% tax on top of what we pay. So that number three to 4,000, I mean, cut it in almost half. And that's how much I was spending. But that was technically the first time I had to do the math for it. And it was so weird because I can see myself in the scene. Like, oh, my God, I smoked that much. It hit me in that moment, like, I was so embarrassed to say it. But I did cut back.

[Nick]

I was impressed.

[Gigi]

I did cut back. I'm trying to, you know, trying to. To spend less.

[Mary]

He just wanted to know, is it premium strains or like, is it just then that's the price or.

[Gigi]

I. I'm very strain specific, so I'm not like one of those people. I do indica sativa. That's. That doesn't mean anything to me. I'm very, very specific to the. The compounds and the strains, so it doesn't really matter how much it costs. Costs, you know, that's more of the amateur level. They're like, the packaging's pretty. Come buy this. And the weed is just absolutely garbage. I just. I want to deal with the psychological part and. And also my autoimmune disease. It really does help me in a lot of ways.

[Natalie]

So are you still actively house hunting or have you found.

[Gigi]

I did find a house. I found a house, like a few weeks after we wrapped, which sucked. I was like, I found it. I'm still in the valley. Valley girl, yes. Yeah. No, it's great. I downsized from a six bedroom. I'm in a five bedroom now, so that I know it sounds like sky, but it's not. It's just. I think I always compare it to a purse. Like for women, we get it. Like, no matter what size your purse is, it could be a duffel bag. You'll find ways to fill it up. Right? So then when you have to go to a smaller purse, you're like, well, where do I put everything? And it's just that it's sort of finding where everything has to go. But I have a huge backyard now compared to my other one, and I have two rottweilers, so it's perfect. It's perfect.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Gigi]

Okay, great.

[Nick]

How's business with the sex toys?

[Gigi]

Business is good business. Did you bring any?

[Nick]

We were going to. We were going to.

[Gigi]

I should have. I had no idea you guys would be okay with that.

[Nick]

We sell. We celebrate love and sex positivity.

[Natalie]

Yes.

[Gigi]

Well, we're speaking of something else that might have gotten. So when we were, like, peeking through the window when RJ was having sex in Palm Springs, it was very quick. It was really quick. Like, I wasn't joking how quick it was, but, you know, it was. She was really putting a lot of work into. I felt bad for her wrist, and so I was just. I had a lot of extra toys with me at that time. I brought for everyone. So the next morning, I brought her one. I said, this actually. Does the vibrating work for you? Yes, but that got cut.

[Natalie]

So the good stuff.

[Nick]

Yeah. Right.

[Leia]

I don't know.

[Gigi]

So what was.

[Natalie]

What was RJ Doing if she was doing all the work for herself?

[Gigi]

Well, that's an easy question to answer.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

He had both his hands behind his head.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Gigi]

He was just doing what he needed really quickly.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Gigi]

And he came right back out of that room as if just the cameras were right there. He was fine. Everything was honky. Tory, I love him. He's just the cutest puppy that just keeps peeing all over the carpet. But they're just so cute.

[Mary]

Y' all are like, we like her.

[Natalie]

You should bring her back to la. And he's like, yeah, she's. I think she knows where she's standing.

[Mary]

Did you ever entertain an idea of you and rj?

[Gigi]

Oh, no. You know, I'm sapiosexual. Like, I was just saying. So immediately.

[Mary]

No. There we go.

[Nick]

That was great.

[Natalie]

What was it that when Natasha met with sky, she called you something.

[Gigi]

She called me a lot of names. I'm watching the season with you guys. She's said a lot of things. She says I'm dangerous and aggressive or dangerous. She said I was dangerous for sure.

[Nick]

That's a strong word.

[Gigi]

I don't know how I am considered dangerous. Dangerous?

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Mary]

You enjoy living in the Valley?

[Leia]

What?

[Mary]

I said how you considered dangerous to Sky. I was like, I don't know. You enjoy living in the Valley?

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Gigi]

No. You know, here's the thing. I. I grew up in a way that you knock a few buck, and it's not a good thing, but it's kind of like one of those things where she's bringing, like, a gun to a knife. You know what I mean? It's you're, you're coming at me in a way with all these cameras around, you know, that I can't do or say exactly what I want to do. So I just wanted to intimidate her. I wanted to scare her. I knew that there's all these cameras around, so I'm not going to put myself in a legal situation like that. But I felt like she needed to be a little scared and intimidated in that moment to just kind of put her in her place. She was telling Reza, you know, shut the fuck up. She's talking, telling her best friend of how many years, like, oh, your thoughts or feelings are worthless to me. You guys didn't see MJ was house hunting for her for months. Months. And you guys know MJ's going through marital issues. She has to get back into real estate. And the whole time, you know, they didn't have any money. So when mj, as a real estate agent has to see their paperwork, their financials, sees there's no money, you know. So that dinner started off with these conversations, and I'm just seeing her just down the table at all my face friends. She called me cheap 20 seconds before the dinner because I was using a plastic cup. You know, I was just. I couldn't deal with it anymore. Yeah. So dangerous. Or just had enough.

[Nick]

I mean, I was. I was intimidated.

[Gigi]

Yeah, that was, that was the point.

[Nick]

Yeah. But to your point, like, again, that's all we saw. We didn't hear anything else. Certainly anything on Bravo that happens behind the scenes. If it's, you know, the. I don't know if you watch Housewives of Salt Lake City, but yes, the famous plane ride that, you know, that was talked about. That wasn't. Certainly, like, obviously if something happened, we would have heard about it. And like, you being the professional that you are in season event reality tv. Yeah, I mean, it was, you know, like.

[Gigi]

Yeah, yeah, it's great tv.

[Nick]

But it was still impressive to see your ability to get to that level.

[Gigi]

It doesn't take a lot, if that's the case. It's just you have to really cross a certain line with me. Other than that, I'm really patient. I'm surprisingly patient. Most people don't realize that about me. I'm actually the quieter one in the room when there's a group of people. But if you cross that line, I'm that mirror that's gonna jump in your face and call you out. And I mean, we got in a lot of trouble growing up, mostly just correcting teachers, like kicked out of 10 schools for this. It was never like anything else. I was always going after teachers like, well you messed up right there. And you know, I was just like, so I'm that person. I'm that really annoying person that's like you misspelled that. You know, that person does that and all. Yeah, that's.

[Nick]

But yeah, the charming thing about you and maybe it's just maturity over the years is like you can call it out, you can recognize it. You have some self deprecating humor. I think where we watch and we're watching Sky, I think the biggest frustration is like the lack of like just, just, just say something you're not good at. You know, just, just acknowledge something that's a little. Might be off putting about you. We all have that part. And then she's just.

[Mary]

Or just say something positive.

[Nick]

Yeah. Like listen, we love someone who can set an enforcement boundaries. He seems very good at that. Like, but like just my question to you is, is that who really she is or do you think there's any part of her that's playing it up for tv?

[Gigi]

No, I, I think she came very true and her actual authentic self for tv. I think who she was before was a facade and this version of her is probably who she is. I think there's a lot more to come and there's a lot more for people to see. I wasn't expecting this side the of. I literally started watching the show from episode one. I'm like, wow, she's throwing shade at me at every chance and every interview bit. I think she's trying to play this role, you know, like Amanda from Housewives of Beverly Hills. Except Amanda has money.

[Leia]

Uh huh.

[Gigi]

You know what I mean?

[Mary]

Something to back it up.

[Gigi]

She's got this like thing that she wants to be cool and like rich. I go to Erawan like, you're an idiot if you go to Erewhon. With all due respect, who does that? It's, it's bananas to me. So the stuff that happens between her and Tannen gets pretty messy.

[Nick]

Do you think she'll be back for season two?

[Gigi]

I hope so. I definitely hope so. Listen, I'm a reality whore before I'm a famous reality star. I love reality TV and I'm watching it and I'm like, wow, this is a pretty good show we got going here. And guess who has the most airtime? It's her. She has airtime the most. As much as you can't stand her ass, she does. And she's the cause of all these ripples. That are going on, that are keeping ratings going. So as someone who's sitting back, I'm like, holy shit. Yeah, I'd want her back. But like you were saying, you can't come back without vulnerability, accountability, and a little humanity in yourself. I told her. I reached out to her after Palm Springs and I wrote her a text message apologizing. And at the end of it, I said, I've been in your shoes because for eight seasons out of Shaza Sunset, it was me on this island and Reza and the group on this other island. And I was constantly. It was just me against all of them, but I constantly showed humility. I showed I have anger issues. I showed I have alcohol issues. I was popping pills. I was. I showed those parts of myself, you know, I wasn't ashamed to bring it all. She needs to do that or else no one wants to fucking watch her. Nobody.

[Nick]

Yeah. Do you watch Traders?

[Gigi]

I don't.

[Nick]

Would you go on it? I feel like you'd be very.

[Gigi]

I was asked. I don't. It's not for me.

[Nick]

You were asked?

[Gigi]

Yeah, it's not for me.

[Natalie]

Was it not for me?

[Gigi]

Competition.

[Natalie]

Okay. It wasn't like watching MJ get completely over at the end of.

[Gigi]

I didn't watch, but I've seen those clips, and it was brutal because I know her so well, and I could see it in her face when she started walking backwards. I could just feel her in my heart.

[Nick]

You would be very good. You'd be fun to watch.

[Gigi]

I mean, people dress like her for. For Halloween now. It's crazy. I know That's. That's very.

[Nick]

What. What are some of the things you're enjoying the most on reality TV right now other than Valley Persian Style?

[Gigi]

I love the Housewives. All the Housewives. I watch all of them. I. I'm sad the Basketball Wives is now finished, but I used to love watching the Basketball Wives and loving hip hop and not really much of a competition show watcher, but.

[Mary]

Yeah.

[Natalie]

Speaking of mj, was it shocking to see the way Tommy spoke to her, or was that something you were well aware of, being such good friends with her?

[Gigi]

I don't think it matters how aware you are of stuff like that. When you see it like that, it's just. It's gut wrenching. Yeah. It makes you just want to hug her. And. I don't know. I think. I don't want to be an asshole and say, well, she's divorcing him for a reason. But. But. Cause she has to watch it right now. And she went through it for years. And I am just proud of her for doing what's best for herself, her son. But I just hope she can watch it and understand it as this is why I made that choice. Because I think oftentimes when someone gets divorced, and I know she's been feeling these things that people guilt trip them on, like, just stay and fix it and deal with it. And I think that guilt was kind of weighing in on her. But I would like to know that moments like this are a reflection for her.

[Natalie]

It's tough.

[Leia]

It's. It's.

[Gigi]

That was brutal. Like, I was. Like, I was nauseous for her. Like, I was like, oh, my God, he knows cameras are here, like, a little bit.

[Natalie]

And just like, all of that aside, the just little. He is willing to support her. Like, he can't even help her take. Take a dish inside. He can't hold her bag. He can't open the door for her. He's like, I gotta get outta here. I gotta get home and shit, you.

[Gigi]

Guys, Something's coming up and it is tough, very tough. And I was there, and you guys will see it soon. It was just like, oh, my God. And it's like one of those things where you can't make this shit up. It happens so authentically while we happen to be filming. And it was just an example, if none yet so far. This was brutal.

[Nick]

The thing you're speaking of, do you think that was the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak, in terms of MJ deciding to move forward?

[Gigi]

No. No. I think that the straw was her son getting to an age, and he was mimicking his father's behavior. And I think that that was sort of, you know, weighing in, like. Like, this is. This is time to now do something about it. I think when you see that happening, you're like, what, that you do everything for your kid to be a hundred versions better than yourself. So it's very difficult to see that you see your son being the thing that hurts you the most, which is your husband.

[Nick]

And it's also tough because, like, with him, it was always. His explanation was, like, he's doing this for hers because he has her back. And, like, he can never even connect the dots by, like, him just not showing up makes it harder for her because she's got to explain his absence. She doesn't have her support. So, you know, it's just like. And like that. And that's just gonna be so obvious, like, any. Any partner. But, like, he's so. He clearly, we're just watching it from. I mean, a fan's perspective seems so convinced he's right.

[Gigi]

Yeah.

[Nick]

And that's difficult to deal with.

[Gigi]

I'm really proud of her. I'm really proud of her right now.

[Natalie]

I am too. I know. I met her. I met her at a dinner party like last year and we just. She's one of those just.

[Gigi]

She is.

[Natalie]

You immediately click with her. She's got this chemistry that's like intoxicating.

[Gigi]

Absolutely. And it doesn't matter if she's older than you, younger than you. It doesn't matter. She's always that nurturing vibe.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Gigi]

She's always ready to take care of someone. Yeah.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Well, Gigi, this has been so much fun. We love you back on television. It's so great. Please come back whenever. Certainly next season. Is it officially been picked up? Because obviously it's going to be.

[Gigi]

Obviously it's better.

[Mary]

It better.

[Nick]

I saw something. It's like, I think you. You guys have some of the best ratings for a new show.

[Gigi]

Yeah.

[Nick]

On Bravo.

[Gigi]

I saw that recently online. I was like, omg.

[Nick]

I have one more question. And we were talking about this earlier. I. I couldn't help but like, you know, we watch so many Bravo shows and obviously we get it's TV and we're leaning in the drama. And Bravo has a history of, at least from an audience perspective of supporting toxic men and like casting a lot of toxic men. And I've really enjoyed the Valley Persian style for the exact opposite reason. It seems like there are a lot of stand up male partners on the show. Not. Not everyone. Do you feel like that is accurate for. From someone who knows these men? Because it really is honestly good to see some like healthy masculinity and good male characters on a Bravo show that I feel like we never get to see.

[Gigi]

Absolutely. I think it is probably one of the most refreshing parts of my group this time around that we get to have that energy around that straight male, confident straight male energy that, you know, is so confident they can dip into their femininity, cry gently on camera. It's just been beautiful to see the amount of work that Greg and Tannen have put into their marriage. I personally know that it's definitely brought them a lot closer being on this journey together. Natasha and Amir, I mean, I mean that's a whole, like, come on. Like we need a whole box of Kleenex for any time they're on. They are the heart of this crew, like literally through and through. The kindest people they host. Every weekend we get to go over their house with the kids and have play dates and stuff. So they're just. It's great to bounce ideas off of straight men, gay men, women. You know what I mean? It's like when you're just women, sometimes it's kind of like. Like this. And then the. The guys come in, they're like, chill, relax. It's fine. And it's been really nice. And it's been really nice to see people like yourself notice that. So I'm. I'm gonna say thank you from the men on my show because I know that they would really appreciate it.

[Nick]

Yeah, I really enjoyed watching it because it's so. It's sometimes like covering these shows, it just gets like, almost like obnoxious and annoying to this. Constantly criticize the behavior. Behavior of so many of the guys where it's like, you sound like a hater, but it's just like. It's like, what? Give me something to root for.

[Natalie]

Yeah.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

So it's been really fun to see Gigi. This is so much fun. Thanks for coming.

[Gigi]

Thank you for coming.

[Natalie]

Please come back and talk other reality.

[Nick]

Yeah. If you want to just get it off your chest. If you want to, like, just bitch about some of your favorite housewives, please come and talk with us.

[Natalie]

And ladies of Salt Lake City, we cover all these shows.

[Nick]

We have a huge audience. I would love to hear them.

[Leia]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Thanks, guys, for listening. Thank you to our guest, Gigi, for joining us today. Be sure to check out our going deeper episode with all the new farmers for farmer wants a wife. That came out yesterday. Other than that, we will see you back next week.

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