E1085 - Mercedeh Javid, Kate Chastain, Summer House, RHOP and More Baby Names

Summary

The Viall Files – Episode 1085

Reality Recap: Mercedeh Javid, Kate Chastain, Summer House, RHOP, and More Baby Names

Date: February 26, 2026
Host: Nick Viall & The Household
Guests: Mercedeh Javid (MJ), Kate Chastain

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Overview

This Reality Recap episode of The Viall Files dives into all things relationships and reality TV. The panel discusses baby naming dilemmas, recaps the hottest reality show moments from Summer House, RHOP, Salt Lake City, and The Valley, plus welcomes two major guests: Mercedeh Javid (MJ) from Valley Persian Style and Kate Chastain from House of Villains and Below Deck. They also analyze the current shifting landscape of reality TV, from cast’s creative control to the "creator economy," and reflect on pop culture’s evolving relationship with celebrity.

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Episode Highlights & Key Discussions

Baby Name Drama and Twin Talk

[05:00 – 13:00]

• Natalie and The Household revisit their struggle in choosing baby names, especially for twins. The group debates whether twin names should match or be radically different.
• Audience feedback is mixed; some support the name “Nirvana,” while others are against it.
• Discussion on practicalities—how to tell identical twins apart, hospital protocols, and whether to go for coordinated or totally distinct names and outfits.

“I want them to be so completely opposite… because it’s like, they’re gonna share a birthday, their whole life”—Natalie [07:13]

• Playful speculation on giving each twin different accents by showing them different kids' shows.
• The group jokes about birth certificate logistics, birth order, and labeling to avoid mix-ups.

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Reality TV Headlines & Recaps

Real Housewives of Atlanta (RHOA) Trailer

[13:30 – 15:50]

• Excitement over the RHOA S17 trailer; panelists break down returning and new cast, and speculate about rumored feuds and demotions.
• Appreciation for Cynthia’s calming influence.

“She doesn’t have to fight with them… anything she says is gonna shut them up.” —Natalie [14:54]

The Valley & The Valley: Persian Style

[15:21 – 19:24]

• The Valley’s lighter tone post-Jax Taylor departure is celebrated.
• Discussion about Tom Schwartz’s supposed relationship statuses, intrigue over cast rumors.
• Praise for Kristen for filming soon after childbirth and bringing authentic issues to the screen.

“It was so unrelatable because Jax is so dark and like the Jesse stuff was so dark… here it feels lighter and fresher”—Leia [16:01]

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Reality TV Industry Shake-Ups: Executive Producer Credits, Social Media & Bravo

[23:44 – 34:38]

• Discussion about cast members of Mormon Wives obtaining executive producer credits, shifting the power dynamic in unscripted TV.
• Panel debates if this actually offers creative control or is merely a vanity title compared to traditional acting credits.

"It’s fascinating that the Women of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives got this executive producer credit. This will definitely open the door for more reality TV stars to get more influence and power." —Nick [31:14]

• The “creator economy” and how reality personalities are turning influencer status into agency signings and podcasting dollars.
• Breakdown of Salt Lake City’s ‘narrative integrity clause’—essentially a gag order for the cast to keep show storylines in-house and off social media.
• Broader industry insight: reality stars are increasingly negotiating for credits, shaping their own narratives.

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Summer House Recap

[34:38 – 47:51]

• Episode “Heated Rivalry”: Recap of key events, cast tensions, and the tangled West/Ciara/Jesse triangle.
• Panel weighs in on Jesse’s “love bombing” and West’s approach.

"As someone who do be writing songs sometimes… keep that shit in your notes app" —Mary [38:39]

• Analysis of Kyle and Amanda’s marriage troubles, the cyclical nature of their issues, and contrasts with Carl’s personal growth.

“Some people never change… when Amanda talks, she’s focused on the relationship. ... Kyle’s just, here’s what you don’t do for me.” —Nick [43:00]

• Long-term predictions for Kyle and Amanda post-separation and the potential for continued conflict as their lives evolve on screen.

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In-Depth: Guest Interview – Mercedeh Javid (MJ), The Valley: Persian Style

[48:07 – 74:56]

On Her Marriage & Vulnerability

• MJ opens up about her emotional state after separating from Tommy. She candidly admits that although she filed for divorce, her heart isn’t out of the marriage.
• Watching herself on TV is “hell,” believing her relationship issues were fixable during filming, but feeling alone now.

"I had zero intention of getting separated… I just didn’t think that I actually was the one that ended the marriage. I think he did, over and over and over again." —MJ [50:29]

• She describes Tommy as prone to emotional stonewalling, often blaming others, and refusing to engage in conflict resolution.
• MJ discusses the pain of needing to set boundaries for self-preservation, not because she fell out of love.

"I didn’t file because I fell out of love at all... I still love him so much that... I can’t bear to be, you know, heartbroken every day." —MJ [53:16]

Reality TV, Self-Reflection, and Castmates

• MJ analyzes castmate Sky’s bravado as a cover for more vulnerable personal history, triggering discussion about representation, vulnerability, and viewer perception.
• Insights on how being on TV can spur personal growth and self-awareness: “That kind of self reflection won’t happen unless you’re on TV and you have a wide audience of people that are like, noticing your bad behavior.” —MJ [65:15]
• Commentary on Reza: “Reza’s love language is his $0.02... he really loves his people and he really seems to have his people’s best interests in mind.” —Nick [69:04]
• Observations about “Housewives”-style franchise crossovers, and the humanity (and cruelty) of competition shows like The Traitors.

Notable Quotes

• On boundaries: “Not all boundaries are healthy… sometimes a boundary is just another, a better way of saying, I’m really stubborn about this, and I refuse to change.” —Nick [60:19]
• “The superiority complex is not a flex.” —MJ on Sky [64:12]

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Breaking News & Reflections

[75:31]

• Somber moment: The team acknowledges the passing of Mary Cosby's son (RHOSLC), sending condolences to her and her community.

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Reality Recap: Real Housewives of Potomac Reunion

[79:44 – 84:03]

• Praise for the RHOP reunion’s humor and ability to maintain friendship through arguments.
• Dissection of Ashley’s dating life drama and the double standards among women for “performatively” ending and resuming relationships.
• Anticipation for Monique’s phone “receipts” teased for the finale.

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Guest Interview – Kate Chastain (House of Villains, Below Deck)

[84:03 – 101:25]

On Embracing the TV Villain & Reality Stardom

• Kate discusses how, unlike WWE wrestlers, she isn’t playing up for cameras—she’s genuinely herself, but reality TV environments push those strong reactions.
• Embracing, not fearing, the villain edit: "I’m always being accurate... House of Villains was super fun because it does lean into that." —Kate [86:29]

The “Florida Reality TV Star” Theory

• Discusses how Floridians, like Mormons, have distinctive personalities perfect for reality TV.
• “Florida is going to be like the new Mormons… there’s a bunch of reality shows based in Palm Beach.” —Kate [97:32]

Housewives, Below Deck, and House of Villains Insight

• House of Villains allows for breaking the fourth wall and wild personalities, in contrast to Traitors’ buttoned-up rules.
• She would only return to Below Deck as a charter guest, never crew again: “There is not a chance Florida would have snow, three feet of snow before I went back to Below Deck in a working capacity.” —Kate [98:42]
• Tom Sandoval’s devotion to Cameo: “The man was working hard at those cameos in his walk-in closet… When we heard the trumpet come out.” —Kate [95:35]

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• “Self-producing is no longer a dig.” —Panel, on the shifting perception of cast control [34:35]
• “A real lover boy is going to keep that in his notes app.” —Mary [38:47], on relationships and public declarations
• “The superiority complex is not a flex.” —MJ [64:12], about Valley Persian Style’s Sky
• “It’s not about what happens, it’s how you go through life together… and it’s called conflict resolution.” —MJ [50:29]
• “Some people never change… you see some people, and it’s honestly not hard to predict how things are going to play out for them.” —Nick, on Summer House relationships [44:48]
• “I just want someone that looks at Amanda Patula the way Amanda Patula deserves to be looked at.” —Panel [47:17]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |---------------------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Baby name debate & twin talk | 05:00 – 13:00 | | RHOA & The Valley trailers | 13:30 – 19:24 | | Mormon Wives EP credit discourse / industry analysis | 23:44 – 34:38 | | Summer House recap & relationships (Amanda/Kyle etc.) | 34:38 – 47:51 | | Mercedeh Javid (MJ) interview | 48:07 – 74:56 | | Mary Cosby (RHOSLC) son news | 75:31 | | Real Housewives of Potomac reunion discussion | 79:44 – 84:03 | | Kate Chastain interview | 84:03 – 101:25|

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Conclusion

Episode 1085 delivers a dense, insightful, and frequently hilarious catch-up on reality TV’s greatest current storylines, with thoughtful commentary on relationships, industry shake-ups, and personal growth. Mercedeh Javid’s moving interview is a highlight, offering candor on love and heartbreak. Kate Chastain brings her signature wit, revealing why some people are just born for reality TV. The Household’s rapport ensures the show is never just a recap—it’s a community.

Transcript

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[B]

you.

[C]

What is going on, everybody? Welcome back to another episode of the Vile Files Reality Recap edition. Nick, your host, he is. He's putting river down for her nap. She slept in a little bit this morning, so we're behind schedule. Usually she naps while we record.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

She's a little bit behind the sketch,

[B]

so you have to go around the room and give us all adjectives.

[C]

Oh, yes, of course.

[B]

You're joined by the household.

[C]

We're joined by the household. We've got Leia, who's pregnant and gorgeous and glowing and about to pop that baby out maybe right here, right now on the show.

[B]

I was actually having attractions crossed.

[D]

You were?

[B]

No, no, no.

[E]

Leia and I were doing a bit earlier and I was like, yeah. No, it's so weird that you just like have been having contractions all morning.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

Is it weird that I want to learn how to deliver that?

[E]

You want to like, like just in

[F]

case I'm in like a environment where I need the help. Someone. I don't know. My brain just feels like it's a.

[B]

Like if you're on an airplane and they're like, do you need a. Is there a doctor?

[F]

Yeah. Or like the grocery store, like, right now?

[C]

No, but I watched a couple YouTube videos.

[B]

No, but I do watch Grey's Anatomy and I am pretty confident.

[F]

No, but to actually get trained, like, I feel like it'd be a useful skill just in case.

[E]

So you're saying you want to go to med school?

[F]

Yeah.

[G]

Yeah.

[B]

So you're saying you want to change your career? You want to be an OB gyn?

[C]

I don't feel like you have time right now, Justin.

[F]

I definitely don't. And I respect everybody that.

[H]

Night classes.

[F]

Yeah, we'll get there eventually.

[H]

Is it weird that I just want to hear my adjectives?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah.

[C]

This has taken a turn. We also are joined by Ciara, our gorgeous, glowing New York City queen, who just posted a stunning photo on Instagram. Everyone go like and comment.

[H]

Yes, yes, of course, sweet boy.

[C]

Justin is also here in the flesh on the couch. He's looking as ever in our pink hair. Mary Berry.

[H]

There she is. Oh, I like Mary Berry's cute.

[C]

Mary Berry. You kind of look like a Berry with your pink hair.

[E]

Yeah. May Bear. That's what my mom always calls me.

[B]

I've started calling her Marty.

[E]

Yeah, Marty.

[C]

I like that she likes that Marty.

[E]

I am. I've got Marty. I love a Nick. Every time someone gives me a nickname, I'm like, that's so sweet you care about me.

[G]

Oh, my God.

[C]

Speaking of names, did anyone have, like, any response to our struggling with baby names?

[B]

They did, yes. Some. It's very torn. Some people actually like Nirvana. They like the nickname Vana. Vanna. However you want to say. And I don't disagree. I do like the nickname. I.

[C]

The only thing is, like, if, like, then just name the baby Vanna, you know, like, if you only like the nickname.

[E]

Yeah, I agree with you, Natalie. Yeah.

[B]

There was one person who was like, no, Nick, absolutely not. That is a crazy idea.

[C]

I'm shocked. There was only one, honestly.

[B]

Yeah, we're torn.

[F]

Okay.

[C]

Interesting.

[E]

Mixed reviews.

[H]

Does that change your mind? Natalie, did you reconsider Nirvana?

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

Are we reconsidering now that we're not reconsidering?

[C]

It does make me think, though, like, my sister named her first daughter Elizabeth and she was like, no, there will not be a nickname. Like, no one is calling her Liz or Lizzie or Beth or Izzy. Like, she will be called Elizabeth and that's just like, the complete opposite of Nirvana.

[B]

Yeah, Nana.

[C]

So I don't know. Back to the board, I guess.

[F]

It's.

[E]

This is a tough do you want the twins names to be similar enough so that they, like, feel like a unit, but different enough so they have their own identity?

[C]

Great question, Mayor Bear. Yeah, so I want them to be so completely opposite.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, do not want them even in the same realm. I don't want them to sound alike. I don't want the same letter. I want them to be so different because it's like they're gonna share a birthday, their whole.

[E]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

They're gonna be, like, wearing the same outfits until they start telling me, no,

[B]

you have to do that. I mean, you. You would be doing a disservice to me personally if you did not.

[C]

I know, but the only thing I'm struggling with is I have so many clothes from, like, when river was that age that I'm like, obviously I need to use these, but I'm like, that's actually very interesting. You do need them to match, I feel like.

[E]

Yeah, that's actually a good point.

[B]

Do you still have the order, the

[E]

receipts, the proof, the timeline, the screenshots?

[C]

No, but they do. Like, a lot of them were from, like, kite Baby. Like, I feel like I could probably find the same little onesies, you know, and just order another one maybe. Or is that.

[H]

What if they end up being identical and they're dressed alike and then you're like, gotta look for a birthmark. Gotta look like. I would be like, let's dress them different.

[B]

Do you know if they're identical yet? Like, is there a way to know this?

[E]

Which one do you think is gonna be the Zach, and which one do you think is gonna be the Cody?

[H]

Oh, I was thinking Mary Kate and Ashley.

[C]

Mary Kate, Ashley, and, like, which one are we naming? Are we naming Baby A this name or renaming Baby? Like, how do you know?

[H]

Or like, what if you name Baby A one name and Baby B another name, and then they start acting like each other's names?

[E]

Yeah, it's like that. Do you know that image of, like, it's the spiky shape and then the swervy shape, and then it's like, do you know what I'm talking about?

[H]

No idea.

[E]

Never mind. Let's move on.

[F]

Wait, I have a genuine question that this just made me think of. And sorry if I'm dumb for asking this, but when you give birth to twins, there's two birth certificates. How do you know which one you're naming?

[B]

That's what she's saying. How do you know? No, but if you're right, because you could accidentally name the wrong one if they are identical. And, like, baby.

[H]

Babies, I feel like, all look the same.

[B]

Like, similar. Anyways, what if you lose track? Like, are you gonna have to, like, put a sticker on one of them, like, name plates? Because, like, how else are you gonna.

[C]

I think people take them back to the hospital, don't they? And they're like, hey, can you please help us?

[G]

Yeah.

[B]

Wait, which one? So the one with the birthmark on their thumb. Like, was that Kylie or was.

[C]

But I think some people, like my sister, who had identical twins, I think she. Like, they had little anklets that had, like, their names. I think some people will, like, draw, like, a marker, like, on their foot, you know, like, that's. Or you just dress them completely different from the start.

[F]

You'll probably also know just, like, intuitively as a mother, like, which one's which. Right?

[C]

I hope so.

[H]

It's my first time.

[B]

You can only.

[H]

This is my first rodeo, guys.

[E]

Yeah, you can only do your best. I feel like it's also a good bit with your kid. Like, my mom calls me by my brother's name, my sister's name, my dog's name.

[C]

Oh, I'm Cara. Emma. Natalie.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. So then Emily and then Natalie, you know?

[E]

Yeah. It's like, angry's loose. Mary.

[C]

Yeah.

[E]

We go down the list, so I think it's gonna be fine.

[B]

I called Louis Mozart yesterday.

[E]

Yeah.

[H]

I say the first one that comes out gets one name, and then you hold it on the left boob, and then the next one comes out on the right, and then you don't hand them back until you're left, child.

[F]

Right child.

[C]

Yeah.

[H]

Left is Lindsay.

[C]

I feel like the hospital maybe has, like, steps for this.

[F]

They definitely do.

[C]

I feel they have.

[B]

They have to have some way to help you. I mean, it's just.

[C]

But we were asking, like, hey. Because they were saying when we do the ultrasounds, like, okay, baby A is on your left, and baby B is on your right. And so then we were like, okay, so is baby A gonna come out first? And they're like, not always. Then it's like.

[F]

That's the thing. There's a lot of confusion here, because I feel like you're not gonna know at some point which one's which.

[C]

We're not.

[B]

Also, my siblings, like, my sister came out first, head first, and then my brother came out feet first.

[E]

Damn.

[B]

Right after.

[C]

Really? My doctor was saying if one is head down and then the next one is butt down, we can do vaginal, no. Evaginal.

[H]

Yeah.

[C]

But they have to be in that position. Either head down, head down, or head down, butt down if one's.

[B]

Oh, interesting. I actually. I thought that they don't do that anymore, but that's. Yeah, that's interesting.

[C]

I guess. My doctor, like, specializes in twin vaginal births. Like, that's, like, her thing. She's, like, really good at it, I guess. I don't know.

[G]

I don't know.

[B]

That's a flex, you know, really fun, Natalie, and you should definitely try to make this happen. What if you have one baby at 12, like, 50, and they have different birthdays? Yeah, that's. That's really gonna be cool.

[F]

No, but that's.

[B]

If they have two different.

[F]

That'll create animosity because one of them is a day older.

[E]

No, I think that's good.

[C]

Yeah. Because I feel like twins are always asking, oh, well, which one's older? And then it's like, I'm two minutes old.

[H]

You know?

[E]

You're like, yeah, no, I'm two minutes, but a full day older. You could be like. Like, that'll cause some good 10. The thing is, like, you want them to have a little tension. They need to fight.

[C]

They're going to have to fight about something.

[E]

Yeah, they need a fight to love.

[B]

You know what my favorite thing is? Is just, like, all the pranks that they're going to be able to play. If they are identical, do you think

[C]

they're going to, like, want to switch their anklets and be like, oh, let's pretend I'm Susie Lu for the day?

[B]

I'm thinking more like they're gonna trick their partners in the future where it's

[C]

like, have you seen those videos of the, like, twin parents? And it'll be obviously, like, one will have a kid, and so. So it's like, the dad and then the uncle, and the uncle will come in and, like, hold the baby and, like, see if the baby realizes. Yes, they always realize.

[E]

They're.

[C]

The babies are always like, you smell different.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, why are you looking at me like that?

[B]

That is not my dad.

[H]

I also saw a video where it was, like, the two twins and, like, two twin daughters, and, like, I guess the dad must have been, like, doing something, and he said, like, penny, da da. She goes, no, dad. I'm Parker. That's Penny.

[B]

Babies with accents kill me. Do you remember Charlie?

[E]

Charlie.

[C]

Charlie Bittman, my niece, like, watching Peppa Pig had an accent for three weeks.

[E]

Yeah.

[C]

So they're adaptable.

[E]

Okay, Natalie, what you should do is one twin, you have them watch, like, French television, French tv. The other one, you have. Watch British tv.

[G]

So you have.

[A]

This is getting out of control.

[E]

You have a French baby and a British baby.

[C]

This is getting out of.

[E]

This is why I shouldn't have kids.

[C]

So what's going on in the reality TV space, guys?

[E]

The Real Housewives of Atlanta season 17 trailer is here. And I just got excited.

[H]

Have we watched?

[C]

Yeah, actually, I do want to watch this. I haven't seen it yet.

[E]

Let's watch it.

[H]

Oh, my God. My queen.

[C]

Phaedra.

[H]

We have two new.

[F]

We have two new. Yes. And, like, they're giving the scenes that they're in.

[H]

There's a clip in here that I just. I can't wait for. I feel like we should wait. Oh, here we go.

[E]

Yes.

[C]

Oh, my gosh. Dead people. I love an activated Portia.

[B]

Full body chills.

[F]

No. When I tell Leia. We went to dinner with a friend last night and we were talking about the trailer, and I locked in. It took me a second. I, like, connected to the Matrix and I was like, I have all these questions. Is Kelly demoted to a friend of why is she beefing with Portia? What's happening with Angela? Like, so many questions.

[H]

Season two come came back and ate. Like she said, all of them.

[F]

Honestly, all of them. The newbies, too. I'm like, who are they? And, like, they're giving and we're.

[H]

Everyone's so excited and smiley during a

[E]

trailer to see Portia and Sway. Sit down, you guys. There's.

[H]

There's something for everyone.

[E]

Portia, you did it. Portia, you did it.

[C]

No. This is gonna be good, guys.

[H]

So good.

[E]

I'm so excited. I'm so excited.

[F]

I do think we're gonna get another season of Cynthia being the peacekeeper.

[H]

Yes.

[F]

Because you don't see her really engaging in the drama of the trailer.

[B]

I love Cynthia.

[C]

Well, that's what we love about her.

[B]

So stunning.

[E]

She's just one of the most amazing, incredible, warm hearted, kind.

[C]

Like she doesn't have to fight with them. You know, she can just. Like, anything she says is gonna shut them up. And it doesn't have to be, like, loud and mean and calling someone Mr. Clean, you know,

[E]

Although.

[C]

Amazing.

[E]

Although. Although, although.

[H]

Am I ready?

[A]

Although.

[E]

If someone else is gonna say Mr. Clean, don't stop.

[H]

Sad.

[E]

Yeah.

[B]

While we're watching trailers, should we also watch the Valley trailer? Because that came out too.

[C]

The Valley. No. Jax. Taylor.

[H]

Yes.

[B]

Minus Jax.

[H]

Okay, Marty.

[B]

Scary.

[E]

Right back, everybody.

[C]

I have to say, it feels so much lighter, so much better. That actually looks really good.

[H]

I like to be honest, like, even to compare it to the Valley Persian style. I think why we like it so much is because it is like it, it's like a time capsule of real issues that like married couples talk about. But then it's also like kind of light hearted where it's like the Valley. It was kind of so unrelatable because Jax is so dark and like the Jesse stuff was so dark that it was just kind of like I, I feel like I'm like inviting this energy in by watching it because I don't relate to it. Where this is like, okay, you guys go have fun. But then it's like dealing with like hanging out with. Is a friend of a friend in the friend group gonna hook up and like with Jack's gone, I'm like, finally these people can shine.

[B]

I do have a question though. Is Tom Schwartz not dating someone? Because I thought he had a girlfriend and but here I'm like, I mean this.

[F]

I feel like this was shot like a pretty good amount of time because I remember seeing all these scenes being filmed.

[C]

Remember when everyone thought that like Lala and Schwartz were dating? Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[F]

Well, that was pretty recent actually.

[H]

And they always shoot it over summer because I always try to judge based on like what they're wearing at night.

[F]

Oh yeah, no, actually Natalie's. Because recent. Was Lala dating Michelle. It was Tom Schwartz.

[D]

And wait, is it dating?

[E]

So are they trying to do a bit of like Lala, Michelle Schwartz threesome throuple?

[H]

I think that the rumors were about Lala and Schwartz just to entice you, but like, it's not. It was nothing real because they were both.

[E]

Obviously, I'm just.

[H]

Yeah, but the Michelle and Schwartz is what they're teasing for the season, which

[B]

I could be here for. Wait, he definitely has a girlfriend.

[E]

Honestly, I don't need it to be real, as long as it's entertaining.

[H]

He also might not because I was like last summer. So I'm like, he got out of that relationship with the one girl he was dating and then, you know, he might have been single for a minute and now been in a relationship.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And like had some fun with Lala and Michelle.

[H]

By all means, please do it for the cameras.

[E]

Here's the thing about Lala is that like, listen, we obviously all have thoughts and opinions on Lala. She'll just drop a line and I'm like, keep her on tv. Polypocket size, pocket size.

[B]

I don't even know what that means.

[E]

But like, yes, I.

[C]

Sounds great.

[E]

I mean, I was saying this last season when Lala would Make like a surprise guest appearance. And I'm like, I want her to raise Jesse to shreds. Hydrogen bomb versus coughing baby.

[C]

Oh, no. Because she's such a girl's girl. Like, I know we hate the term, but she really is such a girl's girl. And she doesn't let men belittle women, especially in front of her. Yeah. And so, like, and I feel like that was Jesse's thing all last season was like, how can I tear down Michelle? And I feel like none of the other people really ever stuck up for Michelle. And I feel like now she has Lala to be like a little dick Polly pocket sized little like. And it's just, that's what we need.

[H]

And I have to give props to Kristin because I believe Kristin filmed this like three months after giving birth. So I'm like, to be committed to going out and doing the whole thing, let alone putting like your sex life with Luke out there. Like, I'm like, which also real issues

[C]

like, yes, thank you. Bring that to my screen. That's what I want to see you work through and talk about. And like, not the darkness that Jax Taylor brought. So this feels lighter and fresher and I am excited.

[H]

Me too.

[E]

Can I say one thing about Kristen?

[H]

Of course.

[B]

She.

[E]

I think Kristen Doty might be one of the most incredible reality TV pictures in the entire planet in history. Because it's like to watch her from season one of Vanderpump Rules, hooking up with Jax Taylor and lying about it while watching Drive.

[H]

Yes.

[E]

Unfortunately, to go to watch her do and then the going back to Sandoval's apartment, like, in that little, like, scooter. To watch her go from being that girl to where she is now. And I'm just like, this is what reality TV is about.

[F]

And she's.

[E]

She's the girl. She's always been compelling. She's always just been like, messy and chaotic and is gonna smoke a cigarette. And I'm like, yeah, representation.

[C]

Well, if you are wondering what my stylish, cute, cozy sweatshirt is, Leia, are you also wearing one?

[B]

I am.

[C]

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[E]

Yes, please send your questions. We love to answer and we love to goof, especially when we're on.

[C]

Plus we also have Mercedes from the Valley Persian Style who we know I love very, very much. So I'm so excited to finally have her on. The conversation is very vulnerable and open. She talks a lot about her and Tommy's relationship, where she is today. And I'm so excited for you guys to listen to that interview. So that is later on this episode. Obviously, we are getting ready to turn a room into a nursery, right? We've got two babies coming. We've got to like make some space. We got to move some things around. We've got to get some storage in here. We got to get some organization in here. And I am leaning towards Wayfair. A lot of what you see in our studio is from Wayfair. It's been our go to for finding stylish, functional pieces quickly when we need to refresh a space. And it's exactly what I'm leaning on right now during this time of like nesting panic. Because they have so many amazing things on Wayfair. And it is so convenient because whatever I'm like envisioning in my head, I just search it on Wayfair and then of course they have it. It's a huge selection of home decor items that makes it easy to find exactly what's right for you. But also if you're looking for something that that's maybe a little bit bigger, maybe you're looking for a hot tub, a trampoline, a playground, a gazebo. Like the bigger outdoor items, Wayfair is also a destination for all of those things. And Wayfair makes it easy with fast and free shipping and even on the Big stuff. They will help you set it up. So get organized, refreshed and back on track this new year. For way less, head to Wayfair.com right now to shop all things home. That's W a Y F A I R.com Wayfair Every style, every home, every

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[C]

Oh, nothing. You know, Natalie handled that. I was like, what do I do next? Guys, we did.

[B]

We did decide on your baby's names.

[E]

It's official.

[B]

You will be surprised.

[C]

Did I tell you you had one or two fans out there who were supporting you?

[F]

Nick? I liked it.

[A]

Thank you, Justin.

[C]

Well, did y' all see that all of the Mormon wives got executive producer credits on this next season?

[F]

Did they really?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

What?

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Oh, wow.

[E]

Good for them.

[H]

As they should.

[E]

They deserve it.

[F]

All of them.

[C]

But Demi, because I think she's friend of this season.

[A]

Really? That's interesting.

[F]

That is very interesting.

[C]

Like, does it take away a little bit of the like. Because now it's like, oh, they're producers.

[A]

Executive Producer can mean a lot of different things. Recently, Amanda Seifred did an interview where she talked about she has a producer credit for this movie and she was like, it's a vanity title. I literally did nothing but act. Which is very common when it comes to like actors in movies and things like that. This is really interesting because like, I imagine it was, you know, it's not a lot of people like Amanda acknowledge that and it still obviously will show up on people's credits and it's a bit of a, a, a flex, but it will be interesting. Now that the word gets out, will fans see this as them control their edit? I would be shocked if this is anything other than like a vanity title because there's no way they're going to give them control their edit.

[E]

Well, I don't think they're going to have control over their edit, but I would say that executive producer for them makes sense because if you think about the context of Mormon Wives and the way the show works, so much of it is based off of their tik toks and the way that they, they produce their own, they operate in their life and produce their own content. So it's like there's this interesting aspect of Mormon Wives where there is a show kind of going on within the show and that is their tick tock presence. And in that they're actively producing that every single day. So executive producer on the show makes sense to me.

[A]

But nevertheless, it's still, it's kind of a landmark thing in, in the reality,

[C]

what Vicki Gumbelson has been like begging for on OC was like a. Vicki

[E]

Gumbelson isn't posting Fruity Pebbles Tick tocks. That's all I'm gonna say. That is true.

[A]

No, but it's really interesting to see the, where the industry going and the power and influence reality stars are having more and more of and to be able to negotiate a producer credit or an executive producer credit regardless of like what that means.

[E]

But I mean, I think it's important for them to have autonomy within like this show that they're making.

[A]

Sure. But I'm just saying historically, when it comes to reality TV stars, regardless of like, we can get into the, the ethics of it all.

[C]

But does Kyle Cook have a producer credit on Summer House since he was like Brainchild?

[H]

I don't think so.

[B]

I don't know. But they just had their biggest season premiere ever. Two million views.

[A]

Thank you to Amanda and Kyle.

[G]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[H]

How do you think the women of Salt Lake City Housewives are feeling about The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Ladies having more autonomy over.

[F]

Oh, yeah.

[H]

Their storylines.

[A]

Well, again, that. That's the question. Do they actually have more autonomy, you know, or are they just getting a producer credit?

[C]

That is interesting that they wouldn't have shed more information around it. They just were like, congratulations, ladies, you're now like, EP is on the show.

[E]

But I think it's less. Mormon Wives is less scripted reality in the way that Bravo is. And Mormon Wives is kind of reacting to what they're already doing independently more, I guess, is what I'm trying to say. Does that make sense?

[C]

Yeah, I guess. What's going on in Real Housewives of Salt Lake City?

[F]

Well, did you guys see the drag brunch that Whitney Rose just did?

[H]

That I did.

[F]

Honestly, she didn't hold back. And she did. She did, like, a Q and A with fans. So they were like, coming up or asking them from the crowd, and one specific fan asked, like, what really happened on the plane? And she basically said, lisa and Meredith are lying. The only reason we don't know the truth is that there are lawsuits from people way bigger than me. I can lose my job over this. And, like, it's interesting that she's saying this because also, like, earlier this week, we also saw that there is apparently a new clause in their contract for everybody joining this season. And I mean, here, if you want to read it, it's essentially a gag order on them to not control the storylines with, like, outside media or whatnot.

[H]

What we're told is that the. It's called a narrative integrity clause, and basically the cast is not allowed to create, influence or leak storylines about the show or other cast members off camera. This includes using third parties as proxy and on camera. Discussions about unverified activity will be cut from the final edit. And any verified activity is punishable on a scale that includes financial penalties, loss of screen time, demotion, and firing. So it sounds like production isn't fucking around with all. With everything that's going on. And just like he said, she said, now, I'm not held responsible or blaming production for things that. That clearly cast members should be taking credit for. But, I mean, I think it's really smart for Bravo and for the production company.

[E]

Do you think this is about Lisa Barlow being the quote, unquote source? Do you remember that conversation?

[H]

I think it's a lot. I think it's the Jen Shaw. I think it's the black eye. I think it's. Yeah, I think that there's a lot of the. The plane, the footage The.

[F]

I mean, it's six, seven seasons of Salt Lake City, of Finstas and Blob.

[A]

Well, it's not just Salt Lake City. I mean, I think, you know, it's interesting because the more we cover Bravo, the more I've learned about how this universe operates. And it's the one kind of universe that really has leaned into the blogger slash creator to create. I don't know what their intention was to create storylines, but to make sure that discourse was happening about the shows, I think it is kind of metastasized and mutated into something that's a little more toxic. And now that you have create, I mean, like, the way, like, TikTok and Instagram are paying creators, you know, the more viral your views, the more money you make. And I think it's becoming harder and harder for these shows to, you know, keep the storylines in house, so to speak. It's like they do interviews with these creators slash bloggers to, like, get their story out, put out their point of view in a way that, you know, they can kind of like. Like, you know, I didn't say that. That. That didn't come from me. It's like that having that deniability, and the more that happens, like, again, you're giving power to certain people who are, you know, it's like a tit for tat. It's pay to play, you know, and it becomes harder and harder to manage. And it also can get really toxic because people are often spreading misinformation or just, like, telling their version of a story, which is, like, often very much their version and not the truth.

[C]

I also am, like, curious if the other franchises will follow. Obviously they're under different production companies, some of them, but, like, I'm kind of shocked that OC didn't get this as well, considering how we ended last season with, like, the. The call with the automated voice guy being like, tamara leaked everything to me. And it's like, how did we not?

[A]

Well, I mean, that's what makes the Mormon wives getting executive producer credit so interesting because, like, a lot of these things operate on press precedent, you know, until something happens. Now, once something happens, you know, I don't care if it's Bravo or someone else. Like, for example, like, Bachelor contracts were always like, a something people are very interested in. And if they casted someone with a big name, you know, a little bit more notoriety, they would be very reluctant to pay someone extra. And sometimes they would even do workarounds. It's like, we'll pay. This will be your salary in writing, and then maybe negotiate other incentives. So they could say, no one's made X before. Because once someone does something, it becomes a lot harder to tell someone in the future. No, because they'd be like, well, someone you did. I know you can do it. You know, and then in the past, they'd be like, you know, it's a lot easier to say, we don't do that. We've never done that. And once you say yes to it, it opens up the door. So it's, it is really, I mean, it's really, I think, fascinating that the, the. The Women of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives got this executive producer credit. And this will definitely open the door for more reality TV stars to get more influence and power. And you're seeing it now in just media landscape. You're seeing, you know, I think you just saw Jesse Draper. She just signed with caa. I think we saw Jesse Solomon also sign with caa. I mean, three years ago, you wouldn't see virtually any reality TV star sign with some of these bigger agencies.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

And now you're seeing that. That it's becoming more and more commonplace. You know, in the past, like, the podcast industry five years ago was this kind of like a fun little thing that, like, people were getting into. Now it's one of the top revenue streams for these agencies, you know, in some cases, more than the TV business and more than movie business. So, like, the whole landscape is changing and you're seeing more, you know, like we're going to. In five years, we're not going to say reality TV star, you know, not in the way that we say it now, where it's like, not quite the same as a real star. It's like you say reality TV star to almost minimize them, you know, as opposed to, like, maybe in the past it was like, are you a movie star? Are you a TV star?

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

And you're gonna see less and less in that.

[E]

Yeah. I think it's interesting because it's like, if you. If you think about the way the entertainment industry exists right now, which is, you know, there was a certain pandemic strike, completely destabilized the entire industry. Right. And so out of that, there is no scripted content you can make during that time. And in that you have, like. This is also right after Scandival. This is right after, like, the biggest thing that ever happened, honestly, in Bravo and in reality TV as far as, like, monoculture. Like, I didn't even watch really that much Bravo at that time, but I knew so much about scandal. So it's like you had this big monocultural moment right around the time when scripted was. You know, things are changing. Everything's on streamers. Promotion isn't the same. And then you have these big, giant talent agencies that are now scrambling to figure out how to make money. Right. And then where the money is is in unscripted. And so it's really interesting to see, like, even with the rise of podcasts and stuff, it's, like, outside of the traditional aspect of media that has been funding this industry for so long, part

[A]

of it is because the creator economy has become so big, and there's a lot of intersection between reality TV star and, like, influencer and creator economy economy, where your kind of traditional celebrity has been more reluctant to, like, tap into that market.

[E]

Yeah, I just think there's. Yeah, there's, like, a shift in the industry at large into personality versus, like, story.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Which I don't. I'm not saying that's a good or a bad thing. I just think that's what's happening. It's interesting.

[C]

Is Kyle Cook a EP on Summer House? Since he was, like, the brainchild of

[E]

Summer House, he does not have an official credited producer.

[A]

Interesting, but not shocking. I really. I mean, this is a huge news

[C]

that I wonder if now it's opening the door for these other people to be like, wait, I. I think.

[A]

No. I mean, the Mormon wives getting executive producer credit is huge news. I mean, it's a huge. I think industry moment.

[F]

Self producing is no longer a dig.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Or critique.

[C]

We did have a pretty good episode of Summer House that aired last night. Like, Lindsay Hubbard is just her and Ben. I need. I just. I do need it to happen.

[H]

Unfortunately, Ben announced on Watch what happens. Like, well, not announced, but, like, kind of got. He got tricked into announcing, but he has a girlfriend. He's in a relationship. And then Andy teased that we're gonna see some of that this season. So who knows? It could be Bailey. It could be Lindsay. It could be someone we haven't met yet.

[C]

Oh. So he just was like, oh, I'm in a relationship relationship.

[A]

We just don't know with who it could be. One of the girls.

[H]

He asked. He was asked a question. I think it was Mary Kill. And he was like, I'm not gonna answer that. I'm in a relationship. And then Andy's like, and you will see that play out later on this season.

[A]

Oh, what a nice little tease.

[C]

Well, if you missed the episode that aired last night, we do have a rapid recap. First and foremost. This episode is titled Heated rivalry. Mia has blue cheese raw dogging in her purse from bringing it to the club which is actually a true definition of a girl's girl. Jesse thinks she's not nice. Everyone is geeking about Sierra and West flirting again but he's not ready to settle down. Still sad face west made everyone redneck quiche and tells everyone to bring their bangable single friends not for themselves, for others to a mixer. Lindsay and Ben are vibing mama. Bailey has matched with most of the guys there on hinge already and thinks Ben and Lindsay are cute but she's still into him. Amanda is low key miserable being married at this event. West friends who is also his ex is there but they're literally chill. Mia wants everyone to be acting single and drinking double the next weekend. Amanda is really trying to have a good time while Kyle intensely makes beats on his laptop at the living room table. Jesse is low key circling Sierra and asked Wes if he'd be cool with that. Wes is like and it's drama alert. Mia had a spicy dream about Jon Hamm and I also have those multiple times so I understand. KJ thinks trying not to be a lover boy. KJ thinks trying not to be a lover boy feels very fraudulent. Lindsay is worried Jesse is catching feelings for Sierra. He just wrote a song about being in love with his best friend. He's not saying it's about Sierra. She also just doesn't know about it. Wes tells Jesse most people would call him a for asking about Sierra. I second that.

[G]

I third it.

[C]

It was so weird bro.

[E]

Like Jesse Solomon like Jesse, Jesse, I'm begging you, chill the out.

[H]

Literally.

[E]

Take a step back.

[H]

I hate how he made me feel two different types of way about him in one episode because he was like you want to go to the bed? And I was like hehehe. The way he, he's like filling in Paige's tiny shoes in this bed. Lol. So funny, so cute. And then towards the end I was like oh you're giving like guy friend who's always had a crush but trying to pretend like you're a safe space but in actuality like the moment, the fact that you're planning on a drunken makeout. Planning on it. Creep.

[A]

Jesse, I mean listen, he seems like I met him, he seems like a really swell, wonderful guy, you know but in the, in the scheme of dating he has some toxic stuff toxicity to him a little bit with dating and I honestly like you know how west was talking about he brings these girls, these attractive women and he's like, yeah, you know, we might have hooked up in the past, but honestly, I think west has, like, a fairly healthy, like, effect. He's like, he's just a very single guy right now. And like, sometimes when, like, you know, when hot people walk into a room, sometimes there's this like, we need to see each other naked 10 attention, you know, and sometimes, like, sometimes it's just good to get it over with. And the fact that Wes has, like, hooked up with some people and then remain friends with, you know, they clearly, like, didn't cross like, a. Like an emotional line where it got too heavy. And I. It seems like Wes is pretty much like, he's pretty direct, he's pretty upfront. He doesn't seem to lead people on where Jesse seems to, like, he can't really separate just like, being. Being kind of like a casual hookup guy without, like, dipping his toes into, like, am I in love with you? Am I not in love with you?

[H]

I don't know if I agree with you. A song about every girl that you date within one week of dating them and send them a copy of it, like, that's giving, like, baiting. That's giving, like, oh, my God, I don't understand how all these girls think I'm in love with them.

[C]

Here.

[E]

Here's my thing about that. As someone who do be writing songs, sometimes times keep that shit in your notes app.

[H]

A real lover boy.

[E]

A real lover boy is going to keep that in his notes app. Maybe SoundCloud it.

[H]

Maybe release five years from now.

[C]

Maybe in five years.

[E]

Okay, that is. Or when you are in a committed relationship, like, do not.

[H]

I might even deny when said girl asks, yes, Is this song about me? Be like, I don't know.

[F]

It is love bombing.

[C]

No, his job title on Summer House is musician.

[G]

Huh.

[F]

That was it. I didn't realize that, guys, he had

[C]

one cute moment last season where he sang like a little tune and everyone was like, oh, my God. Cute love. Such a slay. Like, let's make it like a funny little. And then he's like, oh, so you want me to be a musician and a singer? So you want me to put out an album? Okay, I'll put on an album. And it's like, no, no, no, no, no.

[E]

We don't want all that.

[H]

Jesse said we didn't ask for that.

[A]

What part of their west stuff that you don't agree with?

[C]

I don't agree. I mean, I think he definitely led Ciara on.

[A]

And I'm not saying he's got a perfect track record. I'm just saying. I think he learned from that experience where Jesse hasn't seemed to learn from last season.

[B]

No.

[E]

Well, also, it's like he was flirting with Sierra when he was with Lexi last season. Let's, like, not forget that.

[C]

Yeah, no, for sure.

[H]

Also, like, I just remember the conversation that Amanda, Sierra, and Paige and they were having a conversation about who do you think fucks better? And it was Jesse or West. And they were like, west, like, knows what he's doing. Jesse's the guy that asks like, was that good? Did you. Did you finish?

[C]

No.

[H]

West is the guy that knows that you finished.

[C]

Jesse 100% is like the guy who wants 6, 9, and he wants to be on the bottom 100% and, like, just impossible. And you're like, literally. And he's like, no, but I want to lay down.

[A]

I think. I think Wes had real feelings for Sierra and was juggling like that, you know, and it just. It didn't work out. But I'm.

[E]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm just saying in other situations, I think west has been able to, like, go up out and party and he meets an attractive woman and, like, happens. They make out. And then I think whatever he's doing, he's communicating in an upfront way that doesn't make some of these women feel led on or used where he's. And they're just kind of, like, cool, you know, like, okay, you've. You've let me know. You've told me they're not sitting there wondering where they stand. Maybe.

[C]

I mean, we.

[A]

The fact that he has a handful of women.

[C]

Years since him and that girl.

[A]

Either way, I mean, you know, some guys run into women they hooked up with years ago and they're. And it's like, you.

[C]

Well, Lindsay and Carl are able to hang out.

[E]

True.

[F]

I took them a minute.

[E]

I think it's also with Jesse, it's like, listen, you can be someone who, like, falls fast and falls hard, but. And that's like. Because that's a you thing. That is completely, like the way you process emotions. But it's very easy and respectful to not tell people that. That. You know what I mean? Like, you can just like, be chill about it and let another person, like, you don't have to love bomb them. Like, that's intentional, what you're. What he did to Lexi. I don't know.

[A]

I don't know if it was intentional. Maybe it was, but it was certainly careless. Careless of her feelings. It seemed like.

[H]

I have to say, though, that I. I don't blame Jesse solely because when Sierra walked into that singles mixer, even I had to stand up for a second. I was like, oh, my God, this is so hot.

[C]

Yeah.

[H]

It's actually insane.

[E]

I'd be a little careless in that situation as well. Yeah.

[H]

My sexual awakening, because I was like, damn. Welcome to the club, baby. Thanks. Heated rivalry.

[E]

Heated rivalry.

[C]

The fact that Kyle booked a DJ gig while he was visiting his family for his family reunion in New Hampshire, like, tells me everything I need to know.

[A]

I. I honestly feel bad for him. You know, I don't know why, because some people, like, never change. You know, we'll get into Potomac, but, like, I think it was such a breath of fresh air to see Monique this season. And at the reunion, she is clearly someone who's done some real work on herself. And while obviously, like, her marriage didn't work out and it sounds like her ex was, you know, certainly part of the problem, she seems to focus more on, like, the role she played in it. And when you see Kyle and Amanda talk, it's just all he can talk about is what man Amanda's not doing. Meanwhile, when Amanda talks, she's. She's focused on the relationship. She wants to connect with him and things like that. And Kyle's this, like, what you're here. Here's what you don't do for me. Here's what you don't do for me. And it's just like, I wouldn't be surprised that the next person Kyle dates is going to be someone who's, like, always gassing him up, super impressed with his DJ career, and is going to make him feel a lot of these things he's not getting from Amanda. And then he'll start dating this person. Maybe it becomes serious, maybe get engaged. And then because he's never really changed or really never really thought, he needs to make some meaningful changes in how he shows up in a relationship and shows up for his partner.

[F]

Partner.

[A]

It's just going to be this cyclical thing, and it. Honestly, it makes me sad for him.

[G]

Yeah.

[H]

And on the inverse, I would say that the. A lot of credit goes to Carl Radke. I think he's the number one guy in the group, in my opinion, because that's somebody who battled addiction, battled a lot of dark stuff, and he could have been taken down. He had his fiance accuse him of using drugs. And I think that. That he is the biggest turnaround personality wise from season one of Carl to who he is today, that I'm like, I can't Wait to see who ends up with Carl because they're actually going to be lucky with this version that they get of him because he actually did the work.

[A]

Yeah, it's his. Seem like Kyle's biggest frustration is like, no one gets me, you know, and so he's just going to keep looking for people who he thinks gets him. But like, he needs to be willing to show up.

[E]

You have to get others.

[H]

I'm never going to feel bad that you're upset with your wife because she doesn't want to go out all the time and that you're sitting here trying to make her seem like a lazy piece of shit because she doesn't want to be out at the club at

[C]

2am when he was like apologizing and he's like, that's just like the drunkest I've ever been. She's like, well, that's not true. But I feel like that's his excuse every time.

[A]

It does make me feel sad for them. I mean, I know it's easy to like, you know, joke about his DJ career, but like, if I'm right, and I don't know if I am, but it does make me sad that like it's. The reality is you see some people and it's kind. It's honestly not hard to predict how things are going to play out for them.

[H]

It's hard for me to feel bad when you have the last 10 years and your entire marriage on record of like how you've treated your partner and like what the criticisms are of your behavior and you still can't seem to see that you are part of the problem.

[C]

And having heard from Amanda where she said that they stopped watching the episodes together because they would just like fight again about what it was that they were fighting about in the episode. And it's like how the fact that you can't sit back, watch that and be like, oh, okay, now I see, like totally. I see where you're coming from. I'm sorry. You know, it's like. No, he just, like he would just continue. I feel like to.

[H]

He says, no, I'm so funny. It's so funny when I pull my dick out.

[C]

I love calling you a. What do you mean?

[H]

What are you talking.

[E]

What do you mean?

[A]

This has got to be the last season for both of them on Summer House, right? Like they're just going to be in the new spin off.

[H]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I mean, Kyle can't possibly show up single as a DJ.

[E]

It's a bunch of 22 year olds in a house and he's just DJ.

[F]

I just.

[A]

That can't be.

[H]

Honestly, I kind of feel like Kyle might stay at Summer House. I, I, I might like. My inkling is that Kyle's in the city new season, but I feel like, depending upon when they filmed this, that it's pretty much the deterioration of them or like, they're separating in the city. And I feel like Kyle's going to be one that still wants to go send it. He's, you know, choosing that as his career, and I feel like it's going to be following Amanda in the city with the girls.

[B]

It.

[E]

Well, Kyle is kind of giving Matthew McConaughey and Dazen confused a bit.

[A]

You know, it's interesting, though, with Kyle, Amanda, because now that we know they're separated and, and they seem to be civil and they're working together, I think it's one of those relationships where now that they've agreed to part ways, both of them, for different reasons, have less expectations of each other. So they'll be less disappointed. Specifically, Amanda. Right now that Amanda's this, like, all right, we're separated. I no longer have to work on this marriage. She will probably, in some ways be able to see the good in Kyle because she's not trying to make a marriage work anymore. But once Amanda meets someone new, and I'm sure she will probably relatively soon, I think it'll be a very difficult time for Kyle.

[H]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[C]

And then I feel like once Kyle is, like, with the girl who's, like, loving to be behind him at his DJ set, eventually she's gonna be like, hey, like, I just kind of want a Netflix and chilly. But you used to love this about me.

[E]

You, Come on.

[G]

This is what we, like, bonded over.

[C]

You loved that I was a DJ, and she's like, but now you're 55. And then Amanda.

[E]

And then Amanda is gonna be snug as a bug in her bed with someone that loves and cares about sharing a joint, sharing a joint, watching, like, and she's. I just, I just want someone that, like, looks at Amanda Pula the way Amanda Patula deserves to be looked at.

[H]

The way we look at Amanda, the

[E]

way we look at, like, someone look at this girl, the way we look at her.

[A]

That all being said, I, I honest, sincerely appreciate, as a fan of reality tv, both Kyle and Amanda's willingness to, to, like, put this on camera for us to, like, watch and dissect, because it is, it's, it is truly fascinating.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, well, next up, we have the iconic Mercedes. You also might know her as MJ from Valley Persian Style. And, boy, was it a great episode last night. And we have so many questions for Mercede. She's up next. Mercede, welcome to the show.

[G]

Hi. Thank you for having me.

[A]

So excited to have you.

[C]

So excited.

[A]

First of all, how's your heart? How are you doing?

[G]

Broken, Smashed into a zillion pieces.

[H]

You couldn't tell by looking at. You just have to say, oh, absolutely stunning.

[G]

Yeah, no, I. I'm very married and I feel very, like, wedding ring still on. His still on. I've kind of, like, saw him last night, and I was like. Like, checked for it to see if it was still on, and I was like, okay, good. I feel good.

[C]

Well, if you're comfortable, do you mind talking about you and Tommy's relationship and where it stands today?

[G]

I'm just emotionally still very married.

[C]

Connected. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

How has it been watching these episodes back?

[G]

Hell. It's hell. I don't watch them.

[A]

You don't? Okay. Yeah. Because last night's episode, like, obviously knowing we were gonna have you on was. I mean, we watched. We love the show. We watch it intensely, and there's so many great things about this show, and it was. It was obviously difficult to watch. Right. I mean, you had this amazing event. Your whole group showed up for you, you know, your whole community, your people. And to see Tommy, you know, I don't know what's edited. I don't know if things are made to look a certain way, but it was. It was. It was hard to see your person not show up for you and. And to just not be able to get out of his own head in a way that was just whether it's. You know, my parents had. There are a couple times when I was a kid, I had to wait at school and. And call collect and be like, mom, pick me up. You know, every parent has maybe done that, but, yeah, it was. It was. It was tough to watch. And my heart really went out for you, just because you can tell, you know, in the beginning of that episode, you. You heard we got to see you and Tommy talk about your connection. And, yeah, we. We fight, but there's still a lot of love there. And it's always tough to watch a relationship. And we see a little bit of this on Summer House with Kyle Amanda. One person fights so hard and just wanting to make it work, trying to make it work, but their partner just doesn't seem to want to meet them halfway. And I always say it's like, you know, you can only do 100% of your half. And it's heartbreaking to watch you do 100% of your half and like 50% of his.

[G]

So when I watch, I find it to be really painful because while we were doing this, filming this, it was only six months ago, I felt like all of the things that we were working through had a solution. And I really thought that we were gonna be able to, like, you know, you can bring something up with your spouse who you love. He is the love of my life. And he and I had been together for a whole entire 10 years, married seven. And I had zero intention of getting separated. And I still don't want that because I wanted to just work through our things. Like, okay, Tommy has a hard time letting things go. But it's not about Reza at all. It's not about, you know, it is more about participating in our lives. So it's like, you know, with Summer House and watching Kyle and Amanda, like, I found that also really hard to watch. And then I'll come back and I'll look at something that Tommy and I did. And it's okay to be defensive at first. If you're stressed out, late to school, the parking lot is packed, you know, you can make a mistake and you can just still come back and say, like, oh, man, today I was like, really short fused, and I got like. But now come around and then tell me that you love me. Tell me that we can work through something. And it's called conflict resolution. That's what is the most important thing about compatibility in a marriage is not like what happens. It's like how you go through life together. So obviously I want to go through life holding hands with the man of my life. I just didn't think that I actually was the one that ended the marriage. I think he did over and over and over again. And for day after week after month after year, I think he is the person who checked out and, And. And left. I just might have filed the paperwork because I love him so much still. You know, I still love him so much that it's.

[B]

It's.

[G]

I can't bear to be, you know, heartbroken every day. That's. That's what it is in an. In a nutshell.

[A]

Can I ask you a question? And feel free, if you don't want to answer it, we don't have to. But hearing you say that you still don't want to get this divorce was part of you filing deep down, hoping that it was just like the last resort, wake up call 100%.

[G]

Am I not supposed to admit that? Like, why wouldn't I? It's like going to your therapist and lying to your therapist. Like, why not be. I didn't have a choice.

[F]

Yeah.

[G]

And I didn't. I didn't file because I fell out of love at all. And that's why my ring, emotionally and symbolically and that's why. Yeah. And it's funny, like, people think, like, oh, girl, you're single now. We're gonna go out and. And, you know, we're gonna hit the bars. And I'm like, no, you know, so.

[A]

Well, you're just not there yet. But I haven't been for married for 10 years, so I'm not trying to say I know what it's like to be in your shoes, but I've had relationships, serious relationships, long relationships, not work out. And I will say, like, I. I never, when I finally left the relationship, had any regrets because I. I definitely at times felt like I was the fighter. Like I was trying to do a little bit of their half and some of mine. And I will say with confidence that if this marriage finally, if you go through with the divorce, you won't have any regrets. You will know that you fought. You will know that you did everything you could. Because I do think there's a lot of people who leave relationships and they can't say that they really gave it their all. And I do think a lot of people, whether they want to admit it or not, not. And maybe Tommy will be in the. In these shoes to say, you know, they will realize it when it's far too late.

[G]

Yeah, I mean, I really hope. I pray. I wonder if he has any reflection. He doesn't, you know, talk to me about anything. So I hope, you know, like, you. You, that's. That's what you. You hope that somebody will, like, either be. Stay angry, which I hope he doesn't choose that over everything else. But that's what we see happen, like, time and time again. So. Yeah, I just want him to kind of, like, be able to say, like, hey, you know, we still have history and we deserve. Whether whatever our status is, to be kind and loving and, you know, we can still. Still retrace our steps and walk back from this.

[C]

In this last episode that aired, he had, you know, was. Had ran all those errands and was bringing all of the things to your twilight open. And like, obviously that was so kind and definitely showed, like, his supportive side, you know, doing all that for you. But then, you know, he, like, left everything on the curb. And you asked like, hey, can I just have five minutes? And he was like, no, get out of the car. Like, I'm leaving. On camera watching didn't really seem to shake you. How did you feel in that moment?

[G]

Yeah, I've definitely become so glazed over in life, and I know that I'm very calm on the top because you can't have two psychos always being big and loud. Like, one of you has to be the chill person that's not gonna turn everything into World War iii. And I am on the inside. I wanna say, like, how the fuck can you walk away right now? I'm, like, standing here sweating my tits off in heels in the heat of summer, and I'm. I just felt that way often. So that's why. But like you said, like, he did run around a lot and do a lot of errands. So, like, he did help me that day. He was instrumental in the outcome of running and doing some of the things that I frankly should have had in assistant, you know, a helper do for me. But in the absence of that, like, yeah, well, just a little more love and tenderness would be really much needed and appreciated because that's the thing that, like, the show may not be able to cover. Kyle and Amanda are like the main cast of their show, right? So you get to see 90% of their story during that show. But, like, for Tommy and me, you don't see are day in, day out on a long loop. You see, like, snippets. And then what's happening is that feeling of, you know, being emotionally alone. That solo mesh is not fun. And that's. Yeah, that's.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, I've learned a lot through therapy, like, my abandonment issues that I have and things like that. And there's a level of abandonment you must have felt in some of these moments from your partner when he. In the moments where you really. It's like there's nothing better. There's so many great things about having a relationship and feeling good about your relationship, but to me, it's like that number one feeling is being able to count on that person when you feel alone, when you really need someone to show up, and you always know you can go to that person no matter what.

[G]

Yeah, we have that. I mean, we used to have that when we were together. There are definitely a lot of. I mean, he. He. He definitely is my best friend or was. And we would lean on each other a lot. You know, we had that comp. The compatibility of being able to make those Jokes, like, the. I was the butt of a lot of his jokes, and I felt like that was, like, a little imbalance. So, you know, I don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bath water. Like, I'm not gonna say, like, he was a monster. That's complete bs like, but obviously, I. I came from a broken family. I never wanted that to be my story. And maybe that's why I'm extremely hopeful that there can be some way that. I don't know. Like, I just don't know. Like, you can't be the only one that thinks a certain way. Like, you have to both want something.

[C]

So he hasn't reached out at all after any of these episodes have aired to you?

[G]

No. I mean, we see each other or talk to each other on a daily basis. For a son, of course. And we live super close to each other, also by design, of course. But speaking about anything. Zero.

[A]

I imagine he wasn't always like this.

[G]

No. I would have never married that.

[A]

Yeah. When you look back, was there a time in the relationship where you feel like something really changed in him?

[F]

Him?

[G]

I can't believe that. You know how Kyle was saying the minute that we got married, you stopped going out? Like, how ridiculous that was? Like, I unfortunately relate to that a lot where it's like, why. Why did things stop happening? Like, why? You know, when are you supposed to stop having fun or stop, you know, like I said, like, just walk together, go through everything together. Don't have such a Stonewall Jackson line, hard line against things that are just adulting and difficult. And you have to be vulnerable to be able to move past things. You can't just, you know, be cool and, like, sweep everything under the rug. You can't.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[E]

Because you want to move forward together, like, as a unit.

[G]

Yeah.

[A]

Well, and then, like, you know, in 2026, I think everyone uses therapy speak now because we all become familiar with words like boundaries. And we heard Tommy talk about his boundaries, but it's always fascinating. I think as individuals, we now, if we call something a boundary, we feel incredibly justified for that belief because it's a boundary. And the thought of. Is all boundaries are healthy. But I think we sometimes learn that sometimes a boundary is just another. A better way of saying, I'm really stubborn about this, and I refuse to change the therapy.

[G]

Glossary of terms is not gonna save your life. You can't just, you know, come up with some thing that you're gonna present every time, and then that'll be it. So right now, he's like, really mad at Jeff. You know, before he was mad at Reza. He's also mad at my mom. You know, it can't be like, to me, I was like, wait a minute, is there a pattern? Why are we choosing to stay mad and blame everyone else? It's like, at the end of the day, it's just you and me. Nothing else matters.

[C]

Why is he mad at Jeff? Jeff Lewis?

[G]

Yeah. Because so I do the radio and, you know, Jeff was disappointed. People in my life are disappointed that, you know, we didn't work out. And they're kind of mad because of the reasons that. That I don't talk about, you know. And so, yeah, I really, like, that's a regret too, that when I go on radio, that I kind of allow Jeff to talk about things that hurt at home. It's kind of like, made things a little hard. And I'll definitely take it up with him, but it's not an issue. It shouldn't be an issue. It's just that I did notice a pattern that Tommy can just get himself really riled up and stay mad. And then it's like, we don't get to ever get to anything because it's more about us than it is about anybody else.

[A]

Do you see a lot of similarities with Tommy and Sky?

[G]

Well, she's, I think, gotta have a lot of regrets about, hopefully about, like, some of the choices that she made because it is really hard to watch the. You know, she's stubborn, but I don't think that she sees. Yeah, I guess that's true. That's probably why they like each other and follow each other and comment on each other's things, because, yeah, I think that having a hard line instead of being vulnerable is a shitty thing.

[A]

They're like, you're always right and I'm never wrong. So we definitely get along well.

[E]

The big difference is sky hates the Valley. Valley. And I feel like Tommy likes the Valley.

[G]

He does like the Valley. There's a lot of softball leagues.

[C]

Do you feel like sky, if given the opportunity, will come back next season?

[G]

Oh, yes.

[C]

Really?

[A]

Yeah. That makes sense. I think she. I think she likes the limelight.

[G]

Yeah. I mean, anyone who is presenting the way that she has, you know, she came on the show to present a lifestyle, and I think that there's a lot of. Of charming aspects of her. Like, she actually could have done less of a disservice to herself if she was more vulnerable. Right. Because all of the jazz hands doesn't really work. The audience is gonna sniff out the, you know, the rat. And then I'm. I'm not calling her a rat, but I do think that she was a really charming girl. Like, just her idiosyncrasies, if they were limit. Like, if she toned it down a little bit, and instead of being a snobbery, it could have been like, oh, she's so cute. She, like, only eats at erewhon, you know, like. But it's like, no, you can't say that everyone else is disgusting and not as good as you. Like, you can't be better than everyone. The superiority complex is not a flex.

[E]

It's not. It's not like she's just being like, oh, I love these kinds of things. And this is what makes me happy. I'm sorry, I'm a pretty little princess. She's like, no, you guys are disgusting.

[C]

And like, what. What does I piss on? Love mean.

[G]

Yeah. So basically I'm like standing there going, like, what about Thanksgiving? Like, the whole. Your whole family unit is tanning and Greg and everyone. So it's an expression. It's a Persian expression. It's slang. It's like a very unpolished person that would speak that way. It's also not congruent with what she presents. Cause you don't talk that way.

[C]

I was about to say she always comes for Gigi, right?

[G]

And the napkin.

[E]

Yes, the things are clear.

[A]

But it sounds like, you know, sky, obviously in ways that the viewers and us don't. But it sounds like, despite what we're seeing, you know, that there is a softer, more likable side to her that maybe even you are hoping she will show if she does return for a second season.

[G]

Honestly, I hope so. Because if she doesn't show that side of her, then. And you know, that's the. What she stands to gain out of being on TV is that that kind of self reflection won't happen unless you're on TV and you have a wide audience of people that are like, noticing your bad behavior. And then you get to have. I mean, if I wasn't on tv, I wouldn't have. I probably never would have gone through ivf, checked my fertility, frozen my eggs, known that I wanted a kid. All of the self reflection that I got to have happened because there were people that were following my life that were rooting for me. And that actually helped me along a lot.

[H]

I was gonna say about Sky, I noticed this episode. I think it was Tannen who said that she actually came to this country by herself and like, that her family that. That was her family was tannin and hanging out with them. But obviously, sky hasn't shared that herself. And I was wondering, do you think that that kind of plays into this whole, like, oh, I, like, sit on this throne of gold and whatnot, where it's like, she doesn't want people to know, like, her past or, like, what hurts her, so that's why she's so defensive about, like, liking Erewhon or not living in the Valley.

[G]

Okay. So she does say that her dad came from humble beginnings, but there's a huge disconnect between that and being better than everyone else. So I think that she can come back and clarify. Yeah, right. So she kind of threw everyone in the group of, like, her falling out with. With Gulnessa. And then it's like, we also can't come on the show just to present what we think would be a good image.

[H]

Right.

[G]

So that part.

[H]

Because that's what I said. I think I would have some huge. I had some feelings for her when I heard that, because I was like, okay, maybe this adds some layers where I'm. Instead of seeming so pretentious that it's like, oh, if we got to see the other side of you.

[G]

Yeah.

[E]

Are you watching Beverly Hills Housewives? It's kind of like with Amanda. It's like the moment she's talking to Erica, and she kind of opens up about, like, the cult, whatever. Erica's like, oh, this is what you should be talking about with the girls to make them like you. Like, you're a real person. And I think with. I wonder if, like, with sky, if she would just allow herself, like, what you were saying, that vulnerability just to kind of, like.

[G]

I think that Amanda and Sky are, like, the same person. But how many times from the first day that we met you all the way through, with the exception of her giving Dorit advice for needing to be more financially aware of her situation, I thought that part was great. But every person who takes every opportunity to one up and, like, I just did this with crystals and. And then her welcome mat in her house looked like she overnighted it from Amazon. So cheap and ugly.

[H]

It was like, the most magna.

[C]

I literally was like, I feel like this is a bad sign for, like, burglars. Like, yeah.

[A]

Especially in. They're like, oh, she's.

[H]

She's the money queen.

[C]

We should go in.

[E]

Yeah.

[G]

There's probably cash sitting on the kitchen counter.

[A]

On a lighter note, I. I mean, I. I'm obsessed with Reza. I absolutely love him. And you said you're lying. And now I realize why I love him so much. Because when you said Reza's love language is his $0.02, I. That is, that is why I fuck with him. I. But, but to that point, but it. To why you call it love language, you can tell with Reza like he does have an opinion and he certainly will share it. But he really loves his people and he really seems to have his people's best interests in mind. And he's not doing it to be a dick or to make you feel less than it seems like it really comes from a really loving place.

[G]

When you have Reza in your life, you have a very smart person in your camp. He sees things and calls them out in ways that nobody else can. No one does. And that's why he is such a high value human being. You know, it's like there's no one else that will say it or that will think to even construct the opinion. And it's so fun. And yeah, he's very passionate and we hope he always stays that way.

[A]

What's it like working for Mo?

[H]

I need to know.

[G]

Oh my God. He's really smart. He's really chill. He's very like polished and professional. But there's also like a bohemian aspect to what he does. And he's self made. And when you're. Cause it's a collaboration, right? So when you're working with someone and you want to run things by people, what a better person, you know, like there's. And I. That also goes for Emil, who is a managing partner. There's a list of people at the agency who, who are the big dogs. The A game. It's so impressive to be around a community of people that just like know how to be the best at real estate. So I, I love it. I mean, I was a real estate agent, took a break during motherhood and everything and then came back into it. And I was always really proud of like, it's where you learn the ropes that matters.

[F]

Yeah.

[A]

How and. And how's it going now that you're back in the real estate game? Are. Are we on our way to a million dollars?

[G]

Yes. I'm so busy. Where's the wood? Here it is. Let me knock. I am really busy. It's really nice this time around to see that, you know, I do get the phone does ring for work. That wouldn't have come any other way. And he's right. I don't need to go door knocking. I do need to be more like in front of a bigger audience. It's funny because I Was so scared to door knock anyway. And someone was like, wait, people don't like, there's like, you have the right to like shoot people. No one wants someone to come to their door unannounced. And I was like, oh yeah, that's a good sign. I was like, can cross that off my list, actually throw it away because I actually don't need to do that. But I did live in a neighborhood where we are hanging out a lot in our, you know, front yards with our dogs and our babies and our, you know. So like, I think I just met like, let's like have a mixer.

[H]

Do you want. You just wanted the neighborhood to know that like none of you better use anybody that doesn't have a sign with my face on it. Exactly, exactly.

[E]

Yeah.

[G]

Hang out.

[H]

You own that neighborhood.

[G]

Block party, literally, that kind of a thing.

[H]

Can I come?

[C]

Are you watching Traders this season?

[G]

I am, I'm. I might be a couple episodes behind. But you know what, the thing is, like whenever they show these long 7 minute clips of all of the shows that you're watching on Instagram, it kind of fills you in. Yeah, it's kind of a disservice, but it also helps you stay on top. But. Yeah. What were you gonna ask me about it?

[E]

I was just gonna.

[C]

I mean, every single episode that I watch, I feel like I will always say justice for mj. Like the way that they and I like, like Justin is there too. We will just like, we won't let it go.

[G]

Right. Okay, so right now the chatter is. Well, it's, it's. The game is to be a traitor.

[D]

So.

[G]

So you, you have to be a trader. No, it's not just that. There's also the humanity of it. That's why being a. What C. T chose to do was not split $200 three ways. He chose. He needed it to be a 5050 split.

[E]

Right.

[G]

So he didn't do it because it was really a game. And there is an obvious difference between I could have two. I could have have banished him. I had the opportunity. I didn't want to because it was the shitty thing to do as a human. That's why when you are faithfuls up against each other, you ended the game together. Then it wasn't just about the game.

[H]

So to your point, it isn't just a game. Right, because that's the excuse everyone use. It's a game, get over it. And it's like, no, that's hurtful.

[E]

Yeah.

[G]

And also bananas would tell me a lot about how ruthless it is. To be on the challenge. You know, Johnny Bananas, he did one

[H]

of the most ruthless moves of all.

[C]

They, like, can't separate the two.

[A]

They're kind of immune to the feeling.

[G]

Right, right. And he said that CT is like a prize fighter that, like, he lives in a cage somewhere in a cave, and they'll just take him out to fight, and then they'll put him back in and he'll just, like, stay somewhere in, like, recluse until it's time for

[H]

his next game, his next meal.

[G]

Yeah. But he did, like, the way he ended the game with putting Trishelle on that table and kind of mountain her was, like, not very cool. I was like, oh, yeah, it's a good thing I went home.

[E]

Yeah, I do.

[H]

I said, I see myself out.

[G]

Exactly.

[A]

All right, Ms. Sadie, we know you have to get going, and I gotta say, it's just. It's just so great having you on the show. Thank you for being so vulnerable and open to having, obviously, some of these difficult conversations. You're a breath of fresh air. We love seeing you back on our tv. And congratulations on the Valley Persian style. It's one of our new favorite shows. So good. I said this to Gulnessa. I love the men, most of the men on this show, because I think we don't get to see a lot of good examples of healthy men on this show. And I think your community has some good apples, and it's been really nice to see.

[G]

Thanks for having me.

[A]

Thanks for having me.

[G]

And I'll see you guys.

[A]

Thanks for.

[B]

Sweetie.

[A]

Hopefully come back and let us know how we can help with real estate. You know, I can post a listing for if you ever need.

[G]

Absolutely. Well, you know, we can always go house hunting whenever.

[C]

Door knocking with you.

[B]

Yeah.

[E]

Yeah.

[G]

Amazing. I would love that.

[A]

You're the best. Thanks for.

[G]

That's right.

[A]

She's such a good interview. Just her energy is so. I mean, even I.

[F]

We're.

[H]

We're not in the same room, but she's so personable. She makes eye contact.

[C]

I'm telling you guys why. We met at Crystal's dinner party and, like, immediately fell in love with each other. It's like, she's so easy to just talk to and, like, connect to.

[B]

She really is.

[G]

Yeah.

[B]

She's just.

[E]

I was telling Sierra after she. I was just like. She's such an intentional person who, like. Yeah, she really just engages with everyone she's talking to and wants just, like, a genuine interaction with everyone. And I think that's a very special quality in a person 100%.

[A]

Unfortunately, while we were recording with Mercede, we got some devastating news that many of you I'm sure are already aware of now that this episode is coming out a day later, but we just learned that Mary Cosby's son has passed. Robert. You know, obviously we don't have any words other than our hearts go out to Mary and her love for him was so evident and this is devastating news. So I think we just wanted to acknowledge Mary's loss and we just wanted to send Mary and her family and her church and her entire community all our love in this very difficult time. You know, before we continue the show,

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[A]

We do have part two of the real Housewives of Potomac reunion. Another good episode.

[H]

These women don't hold back.

[E]

No, they're incredible.

[F]

But they also do it in a way where they're still kind of friendly with each other.

[C]

Have you noticed that Jazzy?

[F]

Well, Jazzy, I mean, who was it that was like, you were a friend of, and now you're a friend of? None.

[A]

I'm such a.

[C]

He said you failed at your job.

[E]

But that's. I think that's what to your point.

[F]

That's what I was saying.

[E]

Yeah.

[F]

Poking at each other. Yeah. It's funny.

[E]

Like, they know. Like, it's very whim. I feel like it's the most whimsical of the housewife franchises. Like, they're having fun shading each other.

[C]

Like, the only person who takes it serious is Angel.

[E]

Yes.

[C]

And like, the rest of, like.

[E]

Well, I mean, they take it personally, but they know, like, you know.

[G]

No.

[C]

Like, giving us the flashbacks of Karen

[F]

being like, well, that was Ashley. Yeah. Because then it's Ashley blank. You're right. Like, sometimes I have to realize that maybe the group dynamic has changed and we were a little bit more cutthroat than we are now.

[H]

One of my favorite moments was somebody. Was it Andy being like, ashley, you were rumored to be dating a congressman or, like, a government? And then, no, Giselle tells on herself because she was like, oh, I thought you were talking about me. But Stacy's immediate thinkers. That's impossible. They didn't even get the whole thought out. And she was like, no, no, not with your history.

[C]

And she said, I am an upstanding woman. Capital you.

[E]

Capital you.

[F]

I thought about it how, like, other reunions are sitting next to your friends. It's like, this is the friends on this side. This is the friends on this side. The whole right side of the couch was, like, not friend of friend of friend. Like, they're all just mad at each other going down the line. Like, it was Stacy. Not friend. Being friends with Ashley. Not being friends with K. Not being friends with Angel.

[E]

I do think Jazzy. I do like the way they did that in this reunion because it does get kind of annoying when, like, the allies are on the couch next to each other, and I'm like, no, Put the people that Hate each other, next to each other.

[H]

So they have no side conversations because I don't need the subtitles while someone else is talking.

[A]

Also, justice for Ashley. Like, she just made out with a hot guy 10 years younger than her, and it sounds like, like, no.

[C]

And that was crucial information to hear that Therese was.

[A]

Has been like, the green light.

[H]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I was saying. I think everyone else is just mad because they weren't offered.

[E]

Exactly. Live your truth, diva.

[B]

You know?

[A]

And yet also, like, why were they all coming for Ashley? I didn't really get the whole, oh, as soon as cameras went down, you started dating him again. Ashley came on the show and was like, yeah, no, we're still hanging out. You know, she acknowledged she's been dickmatized by him. I mean, like. Like, people break up. People get back together. I don't.

[H]

I think that that was just a specific trigger to Stacey because she just got reamed through the coals last. Last season with her relationship with tj, and so she's like, oh, so you can performatively break up with somebody and then decide to see them again after you humiliate them on television, but I

[E]

pay to have someone play my boyfriend, and suddenly we're going too far.

[H]

What, have you never heard of the QVC before?

[D]

What?

[E]

Have you never heard of acting? Have you ever heard of length drama stones? A bit. A bit.

[H]

Thank you, Stacy.

[E]

You're saf us.

[A]

I just want to give Monique some more props. I just think it's such a breath. Breath of fresh air to see someone show real growth. And, you know, most of what I've learned about Monique is more like the flashbacks about her past. But, like, she was such a delight to interview last week. She brings such good energy.

[C]

I'm excited to see whatever it is that is on her phone.

[A]

Yeah.

[E]

Yup.

[H]

And I like that Monique was kind of like. It's not so much like, she's like, you could date Chris for all I care. It's not so much about that. It's how you're going about it. It's the lying where it's like, again, all of our troubles would be so much less wor. Like, so, so, so much smaller if we stopped trying to hide things in the sense of lying about things. Because then keeping up with the lie, that's your reputation, Stacey.

[E]

I know, but here's the problem is that, like, Stacy has created, Stacy knows how to create a character of herself. And the character of herself is kind of based off of Stacy B. Lyon. And so it's like, what else is she supposed to do? Tell the truth.

[A]

Next week, they have the finale of the reunion Reunion, and we'll get to find out what is on Monique's phone. And the Grandam makes an appearance, which I think is going to be amazing.

[C]

Huge.

[E]

I'm so excited.

[A]

It's. It's like, it's my debut of her, really seeing her with the other housewives. So I'm very, very excited about that. All right, well, up next we have Kate Chastain. She's on this new season of a House of Villains, which is out now. And she is up next. Kate, welcome to the show.

[D]

Thank you. I'm so happy to be here.

[A]

Yeah, it's good to. It's good to see you. You again. Well, first of all, how you been? What's new? What's. What's. How's life?

[D]

Life is good. I was actually supposed to be in New York right now, but, you know, the blizzard happened, so. Yeah, I'm in Florida, which is for the best. It postponed my triple week. And, you know, a Florida girl. I was not prepared for the amount of snow they received.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't even think the New Yorkers were right.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, looks. It looks a little intense there.

[H]

I was just out there, and I had to fly home a day earlier, else I would have gotten stuck out there. They did 3,000 canceled flights on that Sunday.

[D]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[G]

Yikes.

[A]

Well, you are a busy bee. You're on the upcoming season of House. House of Villains, which we're really excited to see. What I love about you, Kate, amongst many things, is the way you. You're like, you are a true reality TV star, professional in the sense that, like, you embrace the villain edit, if you want to call it the same way like a WWE Superstar does. And, like, you know what I'm saying? And I really, honestly, I really think that's where reality TV needs to go. Right? Like, I don't. I don't know if you follow wrestling. I'm not a big wrestler, but as a kid, it was one of those things where it was like, is it real? Is it not real? And people kind of pretended that these were, like, real villains. And now when you watch wrestling, it's like you. You know that they're still playing a character and you can still have fun with the villain edit, so to speak.

[D]

Speak.

[A]

And I think you do that masterfully on reality tv, whether it's traitors, whether it's House of Villains, because as a human, like, you're just a lovely person. But, like, you don't try so hard to be this polished, perfect person out of fear that, like, some people online might, like, have something like, mean to say. And I just. Where does that come from? And have you always embraced being a reality TV star that way?

[D]

You know, that's a very good point about the wrestling versus reality tv. I see the similarity, but also, like, when I'm filming something, I don't necessarily put it on extra. Like a WW wrestler.

[A]

Sure, sure.

[D]

Yeah, yeah. I'm just really reacting how I am. But in general, reality television puts you in situations that are going to. It's going to test your patience.

[F]

Yeah.

[D]

So those are. I. I'm always being accurate, whether I'm throwing money off a mountainside or, like, making a big dick blanket. Like, that's really how I feel in the moment. I would do that without cameras. But House of Villains was super fun because it does lean into that.

[B]

Right.

[D]

It doesn't shame you for being like a little extra or saying how you feel. It encourages it. So it's always fun to, like, display your worst behavior because you feel like it.

[G]

Yeah.

[C]

Who else from below deck would you want to see on how to House of Villains?

[E]

I don't.

[D]

I actually don't know if any of them are ready, to be honest.

[A]

Okay.

[D]

I really don't because I wasn't totally ready when I walked in because the whole cast is like a powerhouse of just these outrageous strong personalities. I think Traitors is a really good boot camp, and House of Villains should be the next thing after Traitors because I had more fun on House of Villains, which shocked me really.

[A]

Well, it makes sense though, because I think you're just among friends and you're, you know, it's. And anyone who's done reality TV knows what I'm talking about. And I know, I'm sure you do. Just like on Traders, there are people who show up and like, what's beautiful about Traders? You have all these different types of reality TV stars, right. And they. And these kind of different environments that they're used to. You have your housewives, right?

[F]

You.

[A]

You'll have someone from Bachelor Nation, you'll have, you know, someone from below deck or, you know, say, Summer House or. Or someone who's just more of a, you know, like Eric this year is like a musician, right. And it. And like the social game that these people have to play. Part of the game is to realize that, like, you know, some people come in as gamers and they have a set playbook and other people are there to entertain, all while playing a game. And that's it. That's kind of fascinating. I'm curious for you. It's just like how I'm sure the way you've always had a big personality. I'm sure you receive, like all reality TV stars, criticism, critiques, online mind. Are you just really good at kind of not giving a and managing that, or have you had to get better at that over time?

[D]

Well, I've never really, like, cared that much about what people thought I was. To answer your first question, I've always had a very rebellious spirit. Like my mom's, like, I love rules. Rules make me so happy. I'm like, I hate rules. If I hear a rule and someone's like, you can't do that, I want to find out the hard way. And even now I know you. Usually I should just listen, but there's just something inside me I can't turn off. It's like, I don't care what anybody says. I just want to go my own way. So when there's negativity online, for the most part, I think you ignore them for the most part. But it's fun to clap back every now and then.

[A]

Yeah. Are you watching the season of Traders?

[D]

I'm very caught up.

[A]

I'm really curious what you think, because it seems like a lot of the faithfuls left are not all that interested in the game. Game. It kind of feels like. And they really. You know, we had the opportunity to interview Natalie, who is a gamer, and it was really interesting hearing your perspective because from her point of view, she feels like some of the faithful. And we even got to see Johnny be like, I think the traitor is Rob and Eric. And it is. But yet in the round table, they still voted out Natalie. It's just like, wait, we're at this stage in the game game where like, are you actually trying to win or what? Like, what is your. What is your purpose here? And I feel like the this season needs someone like you to kind of like, call people out because the only one who seems brave enough to do that is Rob the Traitor.

[D]

I mean, there is something that happens in that Castle Castle fever towards the end. And I would know because both seasons I make it to the finals, there's something that happens happens where you care about the game. But also this feels like the only world that you've ever lived in because you haven't talked on your phone in three weeks. You. You are so in it. And it's crazy how quickly you Forget about the outside world. So you really are just focused on the people you're in this world with and how you can stay and who you like. It really becomes a lot of that if you don't keep your mind in it. And that's probably why Natalie was at home. She's a gamer.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense.

[C]

And you also had Tara being like, someone just please murder me tonight. Like, I'm done, guys. I want to go home. I just. I can't do this anymore. It's like, okay, it's intense.

[D]

It is intense when you're there, and sometimes you do feel that way. I mean, multiple times, you're like, you know what? Pick me. I voted for myself at a roundtable once, and the producers were like, kate, you're not allowed to do that.

[A]

Are there people from your world, whether it's Below Deck or just Bravo in general, that you would like to see on another season of Traders?

[D]

I would love to see Chef Ben. He's currently on Below Deck Down Under.

[C]

He would be very good.

[D]

He's been lying to me for over a decade with him, you know, so he's just very charming. And also, he's British, so I think he would feel right at home.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

He went to boarding school with the royal family. He's, like, was raised in a castle pretty much.

[A]

Oh, really? Wow. How did he end up on a. A boat?

[D]

Well, I think he's also a rebellious spirit.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[G]

Did you.

[C]

Did you really not know Tiffany Pollard's name?

[D]

She also goes by New York, so me being polite, I was gonna let her choose. I didn't know if I called her Tiffany. Would she be mad if I caught her in New York, Would she be mad? The truth is she was gonna be mad no matter what.

[C]

Right.

[A]

What do you think of Fraser being a Chiefs do Frazier?

[D]

I love him. I. He's also. It's like, are you too chic to be here, Frasier?

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

His Instagram is always Aspen, Monte Carlo, Turks and Caicos, Tobago. I'm like, you're. You're already living the life, Frasier.

[A]

But, yeah, I feel like he almost belongs on the other side on Below Deck, as. As one of the guests. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fancy pants.

[D]

So I think he really elevates the whole program.

[A]

What was it like to interact with Christine Quinn?

[D]

And this is being totally honest. I never watched her show, but I kind of heard of her.

[A]

Sure.

[D]

She's like real life Barbie, and I mean that as a compliment. Every. Her hair is, like, 26 inches long. Like, her Hair is extra blonde, like everything's just extra. Her clothes are extra, her personality is extra, extra. She's a hard one to describe. She did go to acting school and the funniest thing about her that I remember from the House one day, we're just like doing our makeup or something in New York. She goes, God, I just love watching New York's process, you know,

[E]

I was

[D]

like, okay, should I have a process? I didn't know we had processes in this house.

[A]

That's amazing. And for people who haven't given House of Villains a chance, chance. Why should people watch this season?

[D]

I did not give House of Villains a chance either for two years and. But now it's on Peacock and Peacock is a great, you know, judge of good television as we see with Traders. And I'm on it and I think that people don't realize it's so fun. It's what I wish Traders was Traders is very buttoned up. There's so many rules. There's so much that happens in the Traitor Castle between the cast members that they don't ever show cuz they are strictly about the game. Like Ekan, sue and Peter Pilot guy like pretty much falling in Castle. Love you guys saw none of that. And there's so much interesting stuff. So House of Villains, like is not as strict and it leans into the ridiculousness of all of these strong personalities under one roof plan playing a game.

[A]

Is there any other tea you got about in the in Trader's Castle that we didn't get to see? Because I would love to see some more showmances.

[D]

That's what I'm saying. I was like, this is really interesting. And it really did affect the way people reacted at the round table. That's why Pilot Pete was just so ready to find the traitors after Ekansu was murdered because he was mad his love was gone. It's just part of the story. So House of Villains breaks the fourth wall often and enthusiastically and it's so fun. I've never laughed so hard as filming a show or watching what I've seen so far.

[F]

That's amazing.

[C]

How is it filming with Tom Sandoval?

[D]

It's exactly unfortunately what I expected it to be.

[A]

That's what I say about Tom, you know, he doesn't surprise you, you know what I'm saying? You know what you're getting with Tom and it's just really up to you to like have the right expectation.

[D]

I was hoping for a surprise.

[E]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

I don't think. And I mean this with Love with Tom, I just don't think he's sophisticated enough to surprise you. You know, the best he can do is just like be a hundred percent of who he is. And I feel like he, he does that, you know.

[D]

A great house of villains, Tom Sandoval behind the scenes tidbit is that the man was working hard at those cameos in his walk in closet for hours every night. We knew Tom was doing his cameos in his closet. When we heard the trumpet come out,

[A]

I was so bad at cameos. I'd be like. I was like, you know, happy birthday. All right, well, enjoy your day. Tom really goes for it. You're getting every bit of your money's

[D]

worth with, oh, it's a production. He's costumes, he's lighting, his instruments, his dance moves.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[A]

Good for him.

[D]

I know he's an entertainer.

[A]

What else are you watching these days? What else, what's, you know, what else is going on in your normal, normal life?

[D]

I have a toddler, but that's not that interesting. What am I into? Oh, well, I was at the super bowl with Peacock, which was really cool. I mean, who would have thought that all of these different things I did in my life would make me the purpose, perfect NBC Sports, super bowl commentator, literally, because they were like promoting Traders and House of Villains and it was on a boat.

[C]

Wow, that's perfect.

[D]

Wow, that was super fun.

[A]

The household. You guys, any. You guys have any questions for Kate?

[E]

I actually do have a question. So you're from Florida. I'm from Florida. And I just wonder, one, do you think being from Florida made you a better decky? And two, do you think people from Florida just make better reality TV stars?

[D]

What part of Florida are you from?

[E]

I lived in, like Pole county and Winter Haven and then Vero beach in Sarasota.

[D]

Oh, hey, Melbourne Beach. Vero beach is my little neighbor.

[E]

Oh, my God.

[D]

I'm in Melbourne beach, which is know I have a theory about Florida. Everybody thinks Florida's like, you know, there's the memes. Florida, man. Florida's crazy. I tried living in New York City and because I wanted to, like, have the experience and I would wear all black, but I couldn't get the Florida off me. Like, people just.

[G]

No.

[E]

Yeah, no, you're just built different.

[D]

Yeah, I'm just Florida. And I love that about me. But I think that Florida is going to be like the new Mormons

[G]

out.

[D]

There's a bunch of reality shows based in Palm Beach.

[B]

Yeah.

[D]

I think that if Mormons can become the bachelorette and have a hit show on Hulu and be a breakout star of Dancing with the Stars. If Mormons can be in the zeitgeist in that way, I think Florida is next.

[A]

I think that's a really excellent take because it's almost like people from Florida, they're like, they're, they're part of the United States, but they also have a little bit of like, no one's like us, and they kind of operate in a.

[F]

In a.

[A]

On a whole different place playing field.

[D]

Yeah. I think it has a lot to do with the weather.

[E]

Yeah.

[D]

Living in a cold climate, I learned you have to have your together, you have to get matches. Well, not matching. We have to get socks. You have to buy shoes.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[D]

You have to have a sweater, a puffer.

[E]

You have to layer.

[D]

Do I have an umbrella? Do I need the umbrella? It's just a lot to think about. Just to get out the door in Florida. Where are my flip flop flops? You know?

[E]

Exactly.

[D]

So it allows people to be a little more free.

[E]

I completely agree.

[A]

Do you think your time below deck is done or would you be interested in ever going back?

[D]

There is not a chance Florida would have snow, three feet of snow before I went back to below deck in a working capacity. Absolutely not. But I do think it would be really interesting and I need to send an email to someone to have me back as a charter guest.

[H]

Yes.

[F]

Yes.

[E]

Yeah, Yeah.

[D]

I mean, if your season's hitting a slump, call me.

[A]

You know, that would be like a great below deck spin off of almost like All Stars. Maybe like a House of Villains type. You know, like the way. The way Traitors has an ensemble cast and House of Villains has an ensemble cast and they bring back, you know, reality TV stars from different shows. Like a Below Deck, like smorgasbord of reality TV stars. Having stars do something and make it some kind of competition show while integrating the best of below deck stuff.

[D]

Well, there was an episode of Real House of Salt Lake City where they were guests on Below Deck and just the synergy crossover. Like, those were great episodes. And now we're getting to see the back end from the Below Deck episode, and it's just great. So we need a charter guest of villains to stress out through and to be on vacation.

[A]

Are you. Are you a big Housewives fan?

[D]

I am. I really am. I like some franchises more than others. I mean, I think Salt Lake City is cooking with gas. I think I like how they've. They've leaned into the campiness. There's choral Music like, you know, it's just so fun.

[A]

Would you ever be a housewife?

[D]

I always thought when I was on Below Deck that every other show, show them Bravo, just had it made. We had to actually work and their life was easy. But that's not the case because they have to make their social, personal life the plot line. Like, we had the mechanism of the job to, like, get upset with each other about. I'm not sure how good I would be at, you know, putting my friendships out there that much to drive.

[A]

No, it really is. I think people really take that for granted. The vulnerability and the just emotional stress that it takes to be a housewife. And to your point, I imagine I'm Below deck or House of Villains. You have the ability to turn it off or kind of go back to the real world, and the lines are so blurred for a housewife of what is my TV Persona and what is my. My, you know, life off of a camera. And it's really always. I really have a lot of admiration for all the housewives who are. Who are able to do it so seamlessly.

[D]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Kate, you're the best. We love you. Check out House of Villains, everybody.

[D]

It's out now. It's so funny. Thank you so much, guys.

[B]

It was great.

[C]

Thanks for coming.

[A]

You're always welcome, Kate. We love having you on. Be well. Take care.

[G]

All right.

[A]

Bye. Bye. All right, well, that will do it for today's episode. Thank you to our guest, Kate Chastain and Mercedes. We appreciate them both and we appreciate you all listening. We'll see you you back all next week. Bye. Bye.

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